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<v Speaker 1>What am I supposed to do for the next two days?

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<v Speaker 1>I have to sit around not knowing how that ends. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I know everybody in nineteen ninety six had to wait

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<v Speaker 1>a week. I don't care. It's not nineteen ninety six anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I immediate gratification.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in my day, we went uphill to school, both

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<v Speaker 2>ways in the snow.

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<v Speaker 3>We we are not good at understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>More so, what doing.

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<v Speaker 4>You having to wait?

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<v Speaker 3>Jenny?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me guess you're gonna wake up tomorrow morning and

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<v Speaker 1>just watch it right because you can't wait like you

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<v Speaker 1>did with Several Dreams, which he watched three times.

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<v Speaker 5>I may have watched several Dreams three times in the

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<v Speaker 5>lead up to SEB Dreams.

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<v Speaker 4>I yah, that's all.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm watching it right after this recording. Yes, I'm ahead

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<v Speaker 3>right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's just.

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<v Speaker 6>The Babylon podcast was our last best hope for a

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<v Speaker 6>concise discussion. It failed, but in the Year of the

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<v Speaker 6>Great Tangents, it became something better, our last best hope

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<v Speaker 6>for insight. The year is twenty twenty six. The place

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<v Speaker 6>wherever you get your podcasts.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome back to your babel.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm rear the podcast ASTRIANCEA crew that is watching BRICKI

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<v Speaker 5>dyed episodes of Battlon five. We just watched World Without

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<v Speaker 5>End part one and only part one. And I did

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<v Speaker 5>not choose this. I allowed the consensus to choose. It

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<v Speaker 5>is not my fault. Do not be mad at me.

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<v Speaker 5>My name is Jenny, and I'm a big fan of

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<v Speaker 5>the show and I've watched it through many times.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm Jen I'm a big fan of the shows. While

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<v Speaker 7>I watched it back in the day and it's and

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<v Speaker 7>now I'm watching it again.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi.

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<v Speaker 3>My name's Andrew, and i watched the show two years

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<v Speaker 3>ago and I'm absolutely delighted to be seeing this episode

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<v Speaker 3>and all the reactions. Mmmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Gus and I'm an actor and I've never watched

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<v Speaker 1>the show before.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Ali.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that's all we need to know, nothing more.

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<v Speaker 2>At all, after writer and.

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<v Speaker 5>Johanna and yes you are you?

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<v Speaker 8>Yes I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I was driving doing the full you can. You can

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<v Speaker 1>introduce yourself as thoroughly as you wish.

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<v Speaker 3>My opinion cancer liber Rising Taorius Moon blood type.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Does anyone know their blood type?

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<v Speaker 5>Like Koreans generally know their blood type because it's the personality.

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<v Speaker 4>Then yeah, they always ask me.

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<v Speaker 5>They always ask me, and I never know. Although these

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<v Speaker 5>days they come away from blood type. Yeah, they moved

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<v Speaker 5>away from blood type into Myers breaks.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, let's get interesting thing though.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so, it's so weird. It was invented for a

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<v Speaker 3>mom to vet her daughter's boyfriends.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what happened. JMS now got a letter from

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<v Speaker 1>Gus yeah or whoever, thirty years ago that said I

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<v Speaker 1>want to see all of these things in an episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and he went back in time and he made an

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<v Speaker 1>episode with all of the things in it that I

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<v Speaker 1>specifically wanted more of. Yes, and thanks for that.

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<v Speaker 5>I would like you, if you have a chance, Gus,

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<v Speaker 5>to go back and think of all of the times

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<v Speaker 5>and you have just randomly just said what happened to

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<v Speaker 5>Babylon four and Jane and I just went.

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<v Speaker 4>Both of us prime actor.

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<v Speaker 3>Like this show is such an amazing example of set

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<v Speaker 3>up and execution and just callbacks and like proper laying

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<v Speaker 3>of timeline. It's just so, it's such good writing.

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<v Speaker 2>Very good yes, and really good laying of pipe.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, the pipe, the pipe is so. I yeah, I

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<v Speaker 5>know all about pipe laying. That is my area of expertise.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Jenny specifically, yes, exactly as it all. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I want to do after I watch in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days Part two. I want to go back

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<v Speaker 1>and watch Bad One Squared again.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I figured you would.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because that's going to recontextualize a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Brittish, I was almost over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, until you can watch the next one.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I gotta wait til I watch part two. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>really yeah, because because of this, this introduced a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. It didn't close a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>It's true. Yeah, you know, I I one of the

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<v Speaker 5>things I like, and I never thought about it until

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<v Speaker 5>actually watching this with you. But they have Jeff in

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<v Speaker 5>the very very first scene, and I'm certain that is

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<v Speaker 5>entirely because of people like you, Gus, who would have

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<v Speaker 5>seen his name in the credits and been like so

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<v Speaker 5>they had to have them in the court so that

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<v Speaker 5>it wouldn't be spoiled for.

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<v Speaker 7>People, and because you had to back then, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>like there are you can get in streaming, You can

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<v Speaker 7>get away with it a little bit more. There are

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<v Speaker 7>sometimes reveals where they don't like they save somebody's name

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<v Speaker 7>for a backup show, for back end of show. If

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<v Speaker 7>it's someone that you you know, I mean they don't always,

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<v Speaker 7>but but there are union rules that say, like if

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<v Speaker 7>this character they have to be listed at the top

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<v Speaker 7>show and then yeah, it just spoils the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they really do they do that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't probably, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean there's still union rules about it, but you

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<v Speaker 7>can get around them again, Like you can get them

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<v Speaker 7>around them a little easier on streaming because you can

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<v Speaker 7>make a case for it.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love it to like in a show where

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<v Speaker 3>that revealed like an actor and it was like a

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<v Speaker 3>surprise on the plot when they like walked out of

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<v Speaker 3>the shadows. It would just have their title card underneath,

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<v Speaker 3>like and Christopher Palmers. Interesting, yes, sorry, that was in

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<v Speaker 3>my head. And then Christopher Floorer popped in for the

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<v Speaker 3>last thirty seconds, right.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought it was because he was hot, and I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, okay, I can see it.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>This. This was so good. Yeah, it was just really good.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's basically just it.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually, I was going to say basically just one plot line.

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<v Speaker 5>In the Lurker's Guide, he literally says there's basically no

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<v Speaker 5>b plot in this episode because we just have the

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<v Speaker 5>one thing happening.

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<v Speaker 1>And the B plot. The B plot is we got

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<v Speaker 1>Garibaldi out of the way. Yeah, I guess, but it

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<v Speaker 1>ties directly in.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, but I would I would call that B

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<v Speaker 7>plot as well, the whole Garabaldi like being being, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>feeling like as soon as they sent him off, I

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<v Speaker 7>was like, oh, yeah, I remember why I started getting

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<v Speaker 7>sad at the beginning of that. I was like, don't project,

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<v Speaker 7>don't project, but okay, but but the Garibaldi thing is

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<v Speaker 7>what I would definitely call it a B plot.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, Now, I'm I'm not going to ask you, Jen

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<v Speaker 5>because you probably remembered, but what are you Guys have

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<v Speaker 5>theories about why uh he's Garibaldi's.

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<v Speaker 4>Not allowed to be there, like why Jeff didn't want

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<v Speaker 4>him there?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because because of the fucking this is what I

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<v Speaker 1>was born for. Babylon five. Blown. They showed it, didn't they.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I mean that, why would they showed that before? Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>But what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay they showed on the episode they showed it this episode?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah they did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, he didn't want him to die.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't want him to die. He didn't want him to.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there more? No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, don't do that? Know what the fuck come on,

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<v Speaker 1>like what obvious blinding, blinding fucking Talia ivanav sex scene?

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<v Speaker 1>Thing are we missing?

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<v Speaker 2>I just asked the question, Oh my, Jenny, replay the tapes,

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<v Speaker 2>replay the tapes. So well wait, what did Okay, Gus,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a memory? Uh what did Where did Garibaldi

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<v Speaker 2>say in that dream that Bruce had Bruce?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the man, the man in between is waiting for you,

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<v Speaker 1>also fastening zip.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be that's going to be Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we haven't suggested that it was either Jeff or

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<v Speaker 1>General the Hague was the man in He's dead now

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter. Okay, so he does he went and

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<v Speaker 1>did but deep Space nine and JS shot.

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<v Speaker 4>Him Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, it's come on, don't do that between.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 9>But what.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh he wasn't if Jeff is going to stay on

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<v Speaker 1>Babylon because he would have stayed on Babylon four with Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Jeff said you would, you would come and

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't come back either. And we know from Babylon

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<v Speaker 1>Squared Mike wasn't on Babylon four because we would have

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<v Speaker 1>seen him. Maybe he's part of it. So so therefore

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<v Speaker 1>Mike couldn't.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys are getting so stressed. Okay, this we want

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<v Speaker 4>to no.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no no no no.

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<v Speaker 1>No no you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, guys, here's a layup.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about this? And apparently I just

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<v Speaker 1>walked into a wall instead of returning your serve and

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<v Speaker 1>you're okay, well, fucking idiot, all right moving no health

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<v Speaker 1>health not?

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<v Speaker 4>I said, oh.

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, yeah, no yeah, could be that, yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 10>come on, he's just playing all.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, all right, well then let's let's try something else.

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<v Speaker 4>Then we've got okay, so what do you want to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about it? You feel really bad? What?

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<v Speaker 1>What could I possibly be missing? Are we talking in world? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking in world?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, okay, I can't tell you anything?

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<v Speaker 2>What you what I was?

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<v Speaker 7>You're just thinking no, no, no no. Gus's point, and

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<v Speaker 7>this is fair. I think, okay, I think, I think. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>you're you're right, guys. It's it's all pretty well laid

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<v Speaker 7>out there of what not pipe pipe, It's all pretty

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<v Speaker 7>well laid out of like I love you too much.

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<v Speaker 7>You are my best friend. I can't have you come

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<v Speaker 7>back because you will also be destroyed here, and so

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<v Speaker 7>I'm protecting you by not telling you. I'm here knowing

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<v Speaker 7>who you are, that you would come after me.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my read. I'm sure maybe there's something else

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<v Speaker 1>going on, but he's he's handing me a really really

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<v Speaker 1>juicy candy apple with all of that, and he's like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>here is a very obvious explanation that makes explicit sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So if he's going to come around the bend with

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking pumpkin pie, then I'm not going to expect

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<v Speaker 1>the pumpkin pie because he handed me a candy, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>welcome the pumpkin pie. So Halloween theme, there you go,

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<v Speaker 1>they are there you go. We're getting closer.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless I mean, okay, so Marcus says this, Well, Marcus

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<v Speaker 2>did look at him funny. In that one shot he did,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you say to de Lenne?

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what did he say?

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<v Speaker 1>He said, because.

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<v Speaker 2>Marcus said that you won't get a straight answer from

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<v Speaker 2>like getting a mirror and look upside down. Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>It showed his introduction to Membari linguistics and then immediately

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because my issue was my issue was the way

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<v Speaker 2>Garibaldi's supposed to be there? Like you you're not supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>another moment with someone else, was it Lindy like somebody else?

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<v Speaker 2>There was like a past moment where it was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the past the future. So so like information and making

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that really bothered me was I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>but then Jeff turns around and is like, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to prevent Garibaldi from being in this area where he

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<v Speaker 2>might need to be.

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<v Speaker 1>The Garibaldi thing was a vision on the station, though

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't as far as we know, it wasn't because

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's to my view, the Garibaldi vision was a

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<v Speaker 1>similar vision to the Ivanova on exploding Babylon five vision,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a potential future versus whatever Jeff got in

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<v Speaker 1>the letter, which was like here's the shit you have to.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to do well. But so my thought pro

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<v Speaker 2>but it did. It did stick out to me as

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<v Speaker 2>a potential future, but I was like, what if that

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<v Speaker 2>is a necessary part of the potential future that Garibaldi

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<v Speaker 2>is there and now we're fucking with that by trying

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<v Speaker 2>to alter things. But then I was like, but then

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<v Speaker 2>if we're in this forty chess world that appears to

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<v Speaker 2>be Jeff's brain, right, we know Garibaldi and we know

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<v Speaker 2>he's not somebody who's going to like allow his friends

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<v Speaker 2>to like go into danger without him. Is Garibaldi going

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<v Speaker 2>to disregard this? And that's like a part of the

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<v Speaker 2>forty chess m.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a very interesting question.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Jeff knows Garibaldi better than almost anybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they were, so is Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this part of Jeff's larger plan where it's like, ah, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>my chess piece, But why do we have to sword.

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<v Speaker 1>Just just in case we need it?

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<v Speaker 2>Is the case we need?

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<v Speaker 4>This is South Korea. I'm safe, It's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I would never actually threaten you with the sword.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just my.

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<v Speaker 2>Sword makes you feel a pit and a sword and

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<v Speaker 2>a security count.

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<v Speaker 1>I will never use any of them.

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<v Speaker 5>It's because I may guess, feel powerless in this moment,

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<v Speaker 5>and so he needs to feel powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to touch his sword. Oh God, problem, that

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<v Speaker 2>was an accident.

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<v Speaker 3>So so you're speaking with four dimensional chests, but you

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<v Speaker 3>need to be thinking five.

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<v Speaker 2>There are there are allegedly five dimensions now or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>But so.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was just like, yeah, what if that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of the plan. What if there is a a piece

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<v Speaker 2>of the board that we're not seeing the Jeff is sick.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we don't know what was in that letter

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<v Speaker 2>of instructions to Jeff right, and it just feels weird

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<v Speaker 2>that he would risk this all going to ship. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, like I'd want to save my friends too,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's a certain extent to which it's like he's

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<v Speaker 2>also brought all of his other friends into nuclear blast zone,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, I don't know what you're going for.

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<v Speaker 2>It just struck me as funny. It did strike me

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<v Speaker 2>as funny like that that we have this whole emphasis

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<v Speaker 2>on not interfering with the past, and then we have

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who explicitly says, don't say anything that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to alter the past, going out of his way to

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<v Speaker 2>potentially alters not the past or the future or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>It's both.

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<v Speaker 1>They are actively trying to alter the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, but like they have this whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing well no, because it already happened, Like they're altering

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<v Speaker 2>the future, but that it already happened, but not that part,

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<v Speaker 2>which part the mic stuff. Yeah, that's why it stood

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<v Speaker 2>out to me is odd.

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<v Speaker 1>But the mic stuff falls into the same category as

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<v Speaker 1>Babylon five blowing up.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand, but I was also like.

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<v Speaker 1>Youtably without Bruce, I just realized, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Understand, but I was also like, but does it fall

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<v Speaker 2>into the same category. I mean, one was a vision

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<v Speaker 2>and one was like a radio broadcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Also in the radio broadcast of of us as the

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<v Speaker 7>captain is dead.

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<v Speaker 1>She did say the captain is dead.

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<v Speaker 2>She which one captain, That's what I thought. But then

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<v Speaker 2>I was also like, well, technically he's an admiral, right,

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<v Speaker 2>he's an admiral at the semester ambassador, so she would

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<v Speaker 2>have maybe said the ambassador was dead. But I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's also under a lot of stress and she

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<v Speaker 2>knew him as the captain, so like.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Jeff was the commander.

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<v Speaker 4>He was that true, he was commander.

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<v Speaker 7>When he was they could presume him dead because he's missing.

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<v Speaker 3>Is definitely dead because he was in the background, underneath

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<v Speaker 3>the girl.

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<v Speaker 4>He was under a pile.

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<v Speaker 1>Communications Twink.

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<v Speaker 3>Twink is the future. He's a great hair, but like

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<v Speaker 3>he was just underneath, just like cor whin.

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<v Speaker 1>We hardly knew ye.

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<v Speaker 2>I passed two teenagers the other day, and I overheard

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<v Speaker 2>the funniest conversation. You know what you just say overhear

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<v Speaker 2>yourself with a conversation. You're like, this is hilarious. They're

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<v Speaker 2>just one of the those. I mean, if I have to,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that I'm at least cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Communications twig sure was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was craggy. It both reminds me of communications the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so so so we got all that, but also

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<v Speaker 1>we got.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything else, everything else going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Zat is not supposed to mention one or the.

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<v Speaker 4>One and the one or the one or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Did immediately the second he walked on board the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, so you had one job.

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<v Speaker 4>He's good at doings, he's not good at understandings.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I fucking love Zathrust, one of my favorite characters all.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, this does suggest to me we will not be

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<v Speaker 1>seeing him again after next episode. But then again, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we'll find out why she did the head tilt.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew she was gonna do.

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<v Speaker 5>They just keep my head completely still.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy that you're getting tells from a cartoon.

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<v Speaker 1>I am usually wrong with the tells because I also

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<v Speaker 1>thought Night one was comming back. Night one has not

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<v Speaker 1>come back.

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<v Speaker 4>We did a secret in his head tilt with the

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<v Speaker 4>Night one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that was the je episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah that guy, Yeah, that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that doesn't mean he won't.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true anyway.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, other interesting things that happened in this episode though,

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<v Speaker 5>everything Londo.

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<v Speaker 4>And Emperor Londo Centauri on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>And old ass Londo, old ass Bruce Londo put curtains

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<v Speaker 1>around the throne. Yeah, presumably so he doesn't have to blinders,

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<v Speaker 1>so he doesn't have to look at the actions that

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<v Speaker 1>he's already taken that have caused things good visual metaphor

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<v Speaker 1>set team and also probably JMS.

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<v Speaker 5>Also probably very practical, so you don't have to you know,

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<v Speaker 5>animate all of it the entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I meant specifically that he the throne. He's coming

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<v Speaker 1>up around the front of it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>You could only look out the front old ass Londo

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<v Speaker 1>with old ass Bruce. Bruce back from the abyss Londo,

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<v Speaker 1>once again blaming everybody else for his own failings and

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<v Speaker 1>problems because he's an asshole. Love him, though, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not the most self reflective person.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh he's not at all self reflective, and he does

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<v Speaker 1>have portraits of himself in that future appears to be

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<v Speaker 1>one where Bruce fucks off for an extended period of time,

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<v Speaker 1>but they still beat the Shadows. But then the Shadows

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<v Speaker 1>go and fuck up Centauri prime what Jakars wish for.

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<v Speaker 1>I find their bones into dust and kill them. And

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<v Speaker 1>I hate the Centauri so much, and fuck the Centauri.

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<v Speaker 1>The Centauri suck and I don't like them specifically. And

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<v Speaker 1>then after that, I haven't really thought further.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I was like, they're gonna fuck with them,

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<v Speaker 2>and then karma is. But the Narns aren't gonna go.

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<v Speaker 1>The Nerds aren't gonna Is that the takeaway we get.

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<v Speaker 5>From the show.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't the Narns that did it. It was a shadows themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>But they wouldn't do that without them.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, your car made a wish.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but but Morden replied differently.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like it happened anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>In that future.

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<v Speaker 2>In that future, I'm just saying like I said, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I was like, I feel like it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be careful. What jewish where you just might get it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, yeah, okay, listen, go ahead, anybody else.

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<v Speaker 4>Have any questions.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to think other things that we saw. We

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<v Speaker 5>saw a handhold between Brew and de Lenn that Jeff

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<v Speaker 5>appeared to be smiling as.

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<v Speaker 10>He's just just just just fucking palling, dragging this ship

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<v Speaker 10>out as long as he possible.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great, it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, Jeff is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, that's my ex right there, and also Delenn.

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<v Speaker 2>So honestly alright, as a marriage that resulted from a

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<v Speaker 2>slow burn, yeah, yeah, it's nice. A slow burn is nice. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's cute.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really sweet. I mean, I appreciate that they

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<v Speaker 1>did that because at least I still remember the Cherry

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<v Speaker 1>Tomato episode, and I know that Jeff left, and so

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<v Speaker 1>presumably many of the things from season one were building

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<v Speaker 1>into directions where JMS had to pivot, and I assume

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<v Speaker 1>that taste of it is one of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Or they become everyone's favorite threttle and it's very progressive.

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<v Speaker 4>Trying very important husbands, triangles.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, it's the bar but not the trial was a

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<v Speaker 1>long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Which one is Bermuda? Is this Bermuda?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, great in the ocean, that's true. This is something else?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's yeah, that's something else.

434
00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:13.720
<v Speaker 1>This is Bermuda?

435
00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:18.039
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, there there there is something. Can I read? Can

436
00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:21.599
<v Speaker 7>I read something off of JMS weeks? Uh? This is

437
00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:24.240
<v Speaker 7>a question he got. Will the relationship between this is

438
00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:26.519
<v Speaker 7>what you're talking about. Will the relationship between Delenn and

439
00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:31.279
<v Speaker 7>shared and cause problems with Sinclair and JMS as well?

440
00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:35.119
<v Speaker 7>Remember that we never defined what those feelings were between

441
00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:38.160
<v Speaker 7>Sinclair and Delenn, although you said that's a marriage ceremony,

442
00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:40.559
<v Speaker 7>but okay, she had a great deal of respect and

443
00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:43.720
<v Speaker 7>admiration for him, Yes, and she had a fair measure

444
00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.359
<v Speaker 7>of faith in him as well. Question is what's the

445
00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:48.559
<v Speaker 7>root of that. We'll learn some of that in the

446
00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:53.240
<v Speaker 7>two parter as. For Sinclair, he was mainly involved with Sekai. Well.

447
00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:55.279
<v Speaker 2>I can't forget that she stroked his cheek in the

448
00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:59.839
<v Speaker 2>in the old like the episode that had the future

449
00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:01.160
<v Speaker 2>f in Future Delenne.

450
00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:04.160
<v Speaker 1>She's hand so we wouldn't see that she had hair.

451
00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:08.799
<v Speaker 1>You're Jeff as good as you could, so I don't remember.

452
00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:15.960
<v Speaker 5>She is very but she does do a lot of touching,

453
00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:19.119
<v Speaker 5>like even yeah, just in general.

454
00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Just saying, just saying she did strugg his cheek. But

455
00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:26.359
<v Speaker 2>I it's true that they never really like to find anything,

456
00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and like, I don't know, I feel like Jeff handled

457
00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:30.720
<v Speaker 2>that real well, you.

458
00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:33.440
<v Speaker 7>Know, to be delighted he did.

459
00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:35.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean.

460
00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:42.720
<v Speaker 1>He's not around, like he's not obviously Catherine got evaporated

461
00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:45.759
<v Speaker 1>out of the plot, but you know, presumably he would

462
00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:49.119
<v Speaker 1>he would have. Now, yeah, don't think I'm just say,

463
00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:51.599
<v Speaker 1>who knows he's in a book, right, isn't it like

464
00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:51.960
<v Speaker 1>a book?

465
00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Ain been bringing back characters that we were like, that's

466
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:55.559
<v Speaker 2>so what off.

467
00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:59.599
<v Speaker 10>Some characters, Dira. Certain characters may never come back, and

468
00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:03.440
<v Speaker 10>that's that's also fair. But certain characters that were title

469
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:08.279
<v Speaker 10>card characters may never even come back. Warren Keffer.

470
00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:16.160
<v Speaker 4>Anyway, we're going to let's see, we've got.

471
00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:20.960
<v Speaker 5>Who are the other things that there's basically one thing

472
00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:22.039
<v Speaker 5>happening in this episode.

473
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.519
<v Speaker 4>We've got the questions I can ask you.

474
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Because this is all build up. I mean, this episode

475
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:33.039
<v Speaker 1>was I was riveted the entire time, but it was

476
00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:35.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot of questions and things being

477
00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:38.200
<v Speaker 1>reintroduced and not a lot being answered. That's fine. I mean,

478
00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:40.440
<v Speaker 1>one question we could ask is who wrote the fucking letters?

479
00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:44.240
<v Speaker 1>The handwriting looked different on both of them, so I

480
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.960
<v Speaker 1>think so presumably those letters were from two different people

481
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:53.599
<v Speaker 1>who write English scripts nine hundred years ago, because they

482
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:55.920
<v Speaker 1>weren't written in Minbari.

483
00:24:57.759 --> 00:24:59.119
<v Speaker 4>But they knew who they were writing to.

484
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.480
<v Speaker 1>They knew who they were writing to, Jeffrey David Sinclair

485
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:06.319
<v Speaker 1>and Delenn. Yeah, and they put the middle name in

486
00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:09.039
<v Speaker 1>there just in case there was another Jeffrey Sinclair.

487
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:10.559
<v Speaker 4>On Minbar at around Minbar.

488
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, and they said he how did he know?

489
00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:20.559
<v Speaker 1>So it's some individual on Minbar nine hundred years ago.

490
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:21.799
<v Speaker 1>How long did Minbari live?

491
00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:26.640
<v Speaker 7>I think four hundred years right, several hundred?

492
00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:31.880
<v Speaker 5>No, not no, they live they are and eighty yeah,

493
00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:35.160
<v Speaker 5>longer lived than humans, but not like an obscene like not.

494
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's only one named Minbari we know from a

495
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:42.400
<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago and that's Valen.

496
00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:46.640
<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, I literally was in my brain going maroon linear.

497
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:50.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's just like I was going through all the

498
00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:52.240
<v Speaker 5>named Minbari in my brain.

499
00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:56.599
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, but we didn't name We didn't name drop Vylan

500
00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>at all this episode, so like, and we don't know

501
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:02.519
<v Speaker 1>shit about Valen other than that he's a big deal

502
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:05.359
<v Speaker 1>and they name drop him whenever they can, but not

503
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:06.160
<v Speaker 1>this episode.

504
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.000
<v Speaker 5>Oh I I just remember something I could ask you.

505
00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:13.359
<v Speaker 5>But okay, Oh no, literally has nothing to do with

506
00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:13.960
<v Speaker 5>what you said.

507
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:18.519
<v Speaker 4>I just sorry. That's kind of rude because I was

508
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:19.720
<v Speaker 4>listening to what you were saying.

509
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:23.519
<v Speaker 1>But don't you You're fine. The other option is that

510
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:25.519
<v Speaker 1>if Jeff is going, he's had close the circle.

511
00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:28.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's He's the that's see. That's why I think.

512
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:33.799
<v Speaker 5>That's why I was thinking the other Vorlon, the other options. Sorry,

513
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:35.559
<v Speaker 5>he said he's the closed circle.

514
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:37.839
<v Speaker 1>So the other option is Jeff wrote the letter to

515
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:38.880
<v Speaker 1>himself in the past.

516
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:42.880
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was thinking. That might make more sense too,

517
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:45.440
<v Speaker 2>if it's two different people. The line could have written.

518
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.279
<v Speaker 1>Her letter, but she doesn't. There's no way we're getting

519
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:50.599
<v Speaker 1>rid of de lenn. I just want to know and

520
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:51.519
<v Speaker 1>haven't kissed yet.

521
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:56.079
<v Speaker 2>What did Well, it's necessarily saying that we're getting rid of.

522
00:26:58.559 --> 00:26:59.960
<v Speaker 7>What am I seeing the Game of Thrones? I don't know,

523
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:01.200
<v Speaker 7>I don't know, but I loved it.

524
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>She's nervous about something. She's turning pink again for me. Yeah,

525
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:09.759
<v Speaker 1>she's turning pink. So we're close to I'm gonna say names.

526
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Valen got pink. Pink, She's pink, okay, So something to

527
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:14.559
<v Speaker 1>do with it?

528
00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:16.359
<v Speaker 4>Think if you say.

529
00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:21.119
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, hey cheese pizza. Say chuck

530
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:22.839
<v Speaker 7>you cheese. I'm gonna go past.

531
00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:26.480
<v Speaker 4>Hey, cheese pizza, pizza.

532
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>So it's probably either Valen or Jeff. I'm Jeff, but

533
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.799
<v Speaker 1>we didn't mention. But valin Valen matters because we're going

534
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:35.640
<v Speaker 1>into that time period, the Valen time period.

535
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:40.279
<v Speaker 2>We're going into the Valentine Valen was the Shadow War, right.

536
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:44.359
<v Speaker 4>I mean, we know Valen was about a thousand years ago.

537
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't about a thousand years ago, And we keep

538
00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>making jokes about Jaquan and Valen fighting the shadows Je.

539
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:56.440
<v Speaker 1>That would be fucking crazy. Wait, he might be what

540
00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.960
<v Speaker 1>if because he's he is men Bari but not of

541
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:01.680
<v Speaker 1>them in Bari?

542
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:08.640
<v Speaker 5>Right, what is the phrasing Benbari of not Ben Bari. Sorry,

543
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:10.319
<v Speaker 5>I'm mixing it up with Wheel of Time again.

544
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Souls get souls get recycled. Like we've got jumping into

545
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the past. We've also got we've got Babylon for showing

546
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.599
<v Speaker 2>up just as it was needed, and we have souls

547
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.960
<v Speaker 2>getting recycled. So like, there are like four different ways

548
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:25.799
<v Speaker 2>he could be valent.

549
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 1>That's true. He could be valent. Are you saying he

550
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.119
<v Speaker 1>just went back in time and was like, oh I'm valent.

551
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:32.960
<v Speaker 4>That could work.

552
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:37.039
<v Speaker 3>It's like college, you reinvent yourself or or that was

553
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.039
<v Speaker 3>a past iteration.

554
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:41.039
<v Speaker 4>Like when I went to university, I was like, I'm

555
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:42.279
<v Speaker 4>going to be a hat persons changing.

556
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:47.720
<v Speaker 2>I feel that the subject. So back on the subject,

557
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:50.519
<v Speaker 2>two things could be potentially true. Right, there's two ways

558
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:52.960
<v Speaker 2>that Jeff could be Valen. Right, because he's being called

559
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.319
<v Speaker 2>the one and he wasn't supposed to be called the one.

560
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:56.480
<v Speaker 2>What does valen mean?

561
00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:57.240
<v Speaker 1>We don't know.

562
00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:57.839
<v Speaker 4>We don't know.

563
00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:59.920
<v Speaker 5>We actually did look it up. You you looked at

564
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:02.720
<v Speaker 5>I remember you said something about valence.

565
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Something valence with the thing that bonds vans electrons.

566
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.000
<v Speaker 4>That's what it was, Okay, thank you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

567
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:09.200
<v Speaker 4>that would work.

568
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>So he could go back in time and meet his

569
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:13.920
<v Speaker 1>past self, or he could go back in time and

570
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:14.799
<v Speaker 1>just be like, call me.

571
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>He could be Yeah, I think either thing is potentially possible.

572
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:23.119
<v Speaker 1>That would also make sense with why he specifically would

573
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>be such a big deal when they scanned his soul,

574
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>They're like, holy shit, guys, and that's.

575
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Why they like brought him on board and all of

576
00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:35.039
<v Speaker 2>this ship. That would yeah, potentially because he basically it'd

577
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:37.000
<v Speaker 2>be like it'd be like if we found out that

578
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 2>the Dalai Lama was reincarnated into an alien specie.

579
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I know we've made that comparison before.

580
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:43.000
<v Speaker 4>Haven't we.

581
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:48.160
<v Speaker 2>M hmm, Yeah, But like we know that that's entirely possible.

582
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:54.079
<v Speaker 2>And they showed what their interest in him right away.

583
00:29:54.240 --> 00:30:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what they ended the war over him. It's very

584
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:02.359
<v Speaker 1>they're all dead fucking silent.

585
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:05.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm listening.

586
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:08.559
<v Speaker 3>Opposite of the Dali Lama is called the Panchin Lama

587
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:09.799
<v Speaker 3>because I couldn't remember.

588
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:13.759
<v Speaker 1>There's an opposite and anti pope.

589
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:17.119
<v Speaker 3>Oh well, Basically, like in with the Dalai Lama, the

590
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:20.079
<v Speaker 3>Lamas have to find one another. So the Panchin Lama

591
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:22.519
<v Speaker 3>discovers who is the next DOLLI Lama, the next Doll

592
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:25.519
<v Speaker 3>discovers whose next Punch and Lama. But that's why the

593
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.680
<v Speaker 3>Chinese government kidnapped the Punch and Lama like thirty years ago.

594
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:32.480
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of right, yeah, weirdest thing. Listen, I think

595
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.839
<v Speaker 1>we're maybe we'll stick with that. We'll find out, Okay,

596
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:40.599
<v Speaker 1>I like it, very cool.

597
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:42.759
<v Speaker 7>We're not making you commit it to a white board

598
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:43.839
<v Speaker 7>or anything, so it's fine.

599
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:46.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

600
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:50.240
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like I just feel like that tracks.

601
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:52.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, a good track.

602
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:53.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean to put it out there.

603
00:30:53.759 --> 00:31:00.000
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, like if there is basically only one thing happened

604
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:02.240
<v Speaker 5>in this episode with a lot of things, I'm trying

605
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:03.480
<v Speaker 5>to think what else I could ask you about it?

606
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.599
<v Speaker 7>And because because we left in the middle, yeah yeah, yeah,

607
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:07.759
<v Speaker 7>that was the other question.

608
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:08.839
<v Speaker 4>Sorry, in the middle of that.

609
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.440
<v Speaker 5>That was why my brain went off into the thing

610
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.559
<v Speaker 5>the other Vorlin, and he thoughts about the other Vorlon.

611
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.240
<v Speaker 1>He's got a cool ass helmet. Uh, it looks like

612
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:20.960
<v Speaker 1>his his ship doesn't look like angel wings. His ship

613
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:24.799
<v Speaker 1>looks more like horns, so that's an interesting visual motif.

614
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.440
<v Speaker 1>His voice is huh, he had a red light had

615
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>a red light different, it's different. He's purple. He's not green,

616
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:35.640
<v Speaker 1>He's purple. The drowsy strike.

617
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 4>Again, drowsy all over the damp place.

618
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>His light in his chest is a lot more clearly

619
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:57.480
<v Speaker 1>defined and distinct, and his voice is significantly less mysterious. Okay,

620
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Caution's voice had like the wail songs off, and that

621
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>guy was just like, Hey, it's me Terry, how are

622
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:03.559
<v Speaker 1>we doing.

623
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 4>Again?

624
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.000
<v Speaker 5>When he showed up, I burst out laughing because Ali,

625
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 5>you called him cash two point oh, just instinctively you

626
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:14.920
<v Speaker 5>called him that.

627
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 4>That's the fandom name for him.

628
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Character is for Current.

629
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.720
<v Speaker 4>Well, no, like when he shows up here, people are like, what, Like,

630
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:24.200
<v Speaker 4>it's just a regular.

631
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Thing of current.

632
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:29.839
<v Speaker 1>He's Current. That's a major character.

633
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:31.599
<v Speaker 4>That guy.

634
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.359
<v Speaker 1>That guy's gonna come back. That's ambassador. That's the new

635
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:36.799
<v Speaker 1>He's going to Babylon five.

636
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Cush Cush.

637
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm calling him great.

638
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:41.880
<v Speaker 4>Great.

639
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:53.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that guy was weird. He's close circle and Cush Cush,

640
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>close circle Cush Yep, yep.

641
00:32:57.359 --> 00:32:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Pretty cool dude, part of the Cush circle dank.

642
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>We will see if he would be part of a

643
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>nightmare blunt rotation or not.

644
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:11.599
<v Speaker 2>Or so far, so good. The vibes are pretty good.

645
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:13.920
<v Speaker 2>So far. You didn't like him.

646
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 1>He seems fine, he seems like cash.

647
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, God, all Barlunes are the same. Maybe

648
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>that's so that's so spey a guy. What if what

649
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:29.759
<v Speaker 2>if it call out he talked, They knew Kosh died immediately.

650
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.920
<v Speaker 2>So maybe it's a little bit of a collective consciousness.

651
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:33.960
<v Speaker 3>What if it's like an ET thing where like ET

652
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:36.200
<v Speaker 3>goes back and everyone's like, why aren't you wearing clothes?

653
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.920
<v Speaker 3>It's like everyone's just like, oh yeah, what's up with

654
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:41.680
<v Speaker 3>Borla's like I hate my family.

655
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.839
<v Speaker 2>This is a random thought. I was just thinking about

656
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.359
<v Speaker 2>hive mind versus collective consciousness and the difference between those

657
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>two things, because I was like, why is hive mind

658
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>like a horror thing whereas a collective consciousness is like

659
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:57.759
<v Speaker 2>like an uplifting spiritual idea. And then it's like, well,

660
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the difference is that free will exists and collective consciousness

661
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:02.240
<v Speaker 2>and that's why it's not horrifying.

662
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:02.599
<v Speaker 4>See.

663
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:04.640
<v Speaker 5>I was actually going to go much more base than

664
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.159
<v Speaker 5>that and be like, a hive is bugs, so that's

665
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:10.079
<v Speaker 5>why that's worth that's true.

666
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well yeah, but like you know what, like inherently

667
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:17.159
<v Speaker 2>freaks us out about that as a concept and it's like, well,

668
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:19.639
<v Speaker 2>it's the collective consciousness without the existence of free will.

669
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:20.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

670
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like, huh interesting anyway, Sorry that just like

671
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I have the noodle on that for like seven to

672
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:27.840
<v Speaker 2>ten business days.

673
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:29.360
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, okay, bye to us.

674
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:31.679
<v Speaker 2>I'll get back to you. Get back to you on

675
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:32.159
<v Speaker 2>the noodling.

676
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:35.519
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I don't know that I have anything else specific

677
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.000
<v Speaker 5>to ask you or bring up from this episode, just

678
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.760
<v Speaker 5>because it does lead just directly into Yeah.

679
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:43.679
<v Speaker 1>I hate to leave this at thirty ish minutes, but

680
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:50.079
<v Speaker 1>that good good, real good, good good, real good, good,

681
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:50.719
<v Speaker 1>very good.

682
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:51.920
<v Speaker 2>My favorite episode so far.

683
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:55.199
<v Speaker 1>This is a banger. We'll see how if he lands

684
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the flying Chicken.

685
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.320
<v Speaker 4>If he lands the Flying Chicken, what kind of.

686
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:00.880
<v Speaker 3>Hair product you think, Marcus uses?

687
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you have an answer.

688
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I feel like he's one of these annoying people that

689
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:08.719
<v Speaker 2>rolls out of bed and just that looks like that.

690
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:10.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know a lot about hair products. You might

691
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:12.480
<v Speaker 1>imagine also.

692
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 7>Hair quite different.

693
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.960
<v Speaker 5>I could see him, I could see him a nineties

694
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.639
<v Speaker 5>herbal Essences commercial, because that feels about right.

695
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:26.440
<v Speaker 2>It feels like you've got my skin. Well it's very light,

696
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:28.000
<v Speaker 2>it's very light, so it feels like it's got to

697
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>be a moose.

698
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:30.000
<v Speaker 7>I was gonna say, moose. That's the first thing.

699
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:32.519
<v Speaker 2>You's got to be a moose. It's got to be

700
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:32.920
<v Speaker 2>a moose.

701
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:35.559
<v Speaker 7>It looks so light like using moose in his hair,

702
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:36.440
<v Speaker 7>but I don't even.

703
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Know, like I mean, it feels like it feels like

704
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.639
<v Speaker 2>he's got a blow dry, no like that, with that hair.

705
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.480
<v Speaker 1>He's got you know those fucking salon chairs with the thing,

706
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:48.159
<v Speaker 1>he's got one of those in his quarters.

707
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.119
<v Speaker 3>He actually you just took. He just took.

708
00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:58.519
<v Speaker 7>Helmet was left over at the Endea.

709
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a perfect level of humidity for con.

710
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was hilarious and weird that the warp reactor

711
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:16.079
<v Speaker 1>thing blew up and all it did was pinpoint attack

712
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Bruce's badge. That was weird. It was funny. It makes

713
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.519
<v Speaker 1>sense from a plot perspective. It does kind of seem targeted.

714
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.559
<v Speaker 7>Well, he was on the end of the ship, but.

715
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.079
<v Speaker 1>It didn't damage anything else. It came through.

716
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:37.199
<v Speaker 2>The Difference also said though that he was like, he

717
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:41.519
<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm not allowed to tell you anything about Bruce,

718
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.159
<v Speaker 2>which makes yeh. So he's got some some and then

719
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.320
<v Speaker 2>we get some tiny wimy ship with Bruce and I'm like.

720
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Hanging out with old ass Lon Centori has has a

721
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.360
<v Speaker 1>veer already been emperor at that point, I don't know.

722
00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see him. So it suggests that maybe we

723
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:01.920
<v Speaker 1>do the sneaky okie dokee bullshit thing. Beer becomes emperor

724
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.880
<v Speaker 1>first and then Londo pulls a brutus on him too.

725
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.320
<v Speaker 2>That the more dramatically interesting timeline it is.

726
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:13.320
<v Speaker 1>It is because the the the obvious answer, as you've

727
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:17.480
<v Speaker 1>pointed out before, Londa becomes emperor makes her his successor Yeah,

728
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:19.159
<v Speaker 1>that's the safe and obvious.

729
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 2>But somehow Vier became emperor for.

730
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Bad news for Vere Peiti.

731
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:25.559
<v Speaker 7>What are you doing here?

732
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:26.599
<v Speaker 1>Ver?

733
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:31.239
<v Speaker 7>Linear Beer and linear Ver and linear n vin Vier.

734
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.079
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't make me feel good. It doesn't make me

735
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 2>feel good about Vier. And yeah, I feel like.

736
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:41.800
<v Speaker 7>Piti Zanier is a much better partner for Vier than

737
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:44.599
<v Speaker 7>that Nazi.

738
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.519
<v Speaker 2>That was the last thing they said. They said that

739
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:49.760
<v Speaker 2>what was the third thing Londa needed to not do?

740
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Surrender to the thing that you fear most, knowing that

741
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:57.880
<v Speaker 1>it will destroy you, which I again I think is

742
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:02.079
<v Speaker 1>accepting life without a legacy, or or a bad one,

743
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:05.199
<v Speaker 1>forgetful being forgotten, or a bad legacy because he's most

744
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:09.000
<v Speaker 1>concerned with either how he looks or glory of the

745
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Centaury Republic. It's one of the other. But we'll let

746
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.800
<v Speaker 1>you guys talk because again, there's not a lot going on,

747
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:17.239
<v Speaker 1>and it's three in the morning, and.

748
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:19.280
<v Speaker 7>We can't and you can't and we can't say much.

749
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:20.360
<v Speaker 7>I mean, we can't say much.

750
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:22.400
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

751
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Good, good, good, good good love you guys have fun.

752
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 11>Ah, my friends, you have reached the most dangerous part

753
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.639
<v Speaker 11>of our journey, the Gray Council. Here we speak of

754
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Speaker 11>things that must not be spoken, secrets, betrayals, spoilers. If

755
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:48.480
<v Speaker 11>you are not ready, turned back now that if you

756
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:52.360
<v Speaker 11>dare to proceed, I promise you it will.

757
00:38:52.559 --> 00:39:04.079
<v Speaker 9>Benificent, mister Geibaldi, the close I think, didn't they.

758
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:06.119
<v Speaker 4>Got more than close? He shows up and says, Hi,

759
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm Valin. That's literally what happens.

760
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.960
<v Speaker 3>I know literally when Ali said that, I think we

761
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:12.679
<v Speaker 3>all were just like.

762
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:18.360
<v Speaker 7>We were, like me, my nails, I'm gonna look like

763
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:18.960
<v Speaker 7>something else.

764
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, reinvent yourself at college like I have myself Dallas.

765
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.800
<v Speaker 3>For the first week, like I legit.

766
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.679
<v Speaker 5>Did try to become a hat person. But I couldn't

767
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:28.440
<v Speaker 5>keep it up because I only had the one hat.

768
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:33.000
<v Speaker 3>I think it would be more alarming if you had

769
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:36.199
<v Speaker 3>many different hats immediately on the first week, right, No,

770
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:37.079
<v Speaker 3>but I wanted to.

771
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.280
<v Speaker 4>Be like, I have a different hat, like it's just anyway,

772
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:41.920
<v Speaker 4>yeats are cool.

773
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's cool.

774
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.159
<v Speaker 4>But no, they fully nailed that.

775
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:49.760
<v Speaker 5>He just although they're not one short. So I think

776
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:51.360
<v Speaker 5>Ali is I think Ali's really sure.

777
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 7>You know, I don't know. I mean personal we're dealing

778
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:56.519
<v Speaker 7>with Ali and Gus, who happened to be particularly excellent

779
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.760
<v Speaker 7>at sessing out, like you know, they they do this

780
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:03.280
<v Speaker 7>well and it's what they do. But I also, you know,

781
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:07.239
<v Speaker 7>I think that JMS left a lot more crumbs than

782
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:09.599
<v Speaker 7>maybe we give him not given credit for. I mean,

783
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:11.079
<v Speaker 7>I think he left crumbs, and I think he left

784
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:13.119
<v Speaker 7>crumbs knowing that at the time when we were watching

785
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:16.719
<v Speaker 7>it spread out over time, they wouldn't be as obvious

786
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:19.760
<v Speaker 7>and easy to pick up. And also because he wasn't

787
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:22.280
<v Speaker 7>you know, he gives heat drops clues all the time,

788
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.760
<v Speaker 7>even when the GMS speaks, and he's not like Robert Jordan,

789
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.360
<v Speaker 7>who's like, oh you all figured this out. I'm literally

790
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.880
<v Speaker 7>going to change my storyline because I don't want you

791
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:33.840
<v Speaker 7>to know it. He's like, cool, you figured it out.

792
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:35.800
<v Speaker 7>That's exactly right, Like he's not going to change where

793
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.360
<v Speaker 7>he started, I mean unless obviously for casting reasons he

794
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.440
<v Speaker 7>has exactly so I feel like it's there. I don't.

795
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.599
<v Speaker 7>I'm not trying to discount them coming to that, but

796
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:47.760
<v Speaker 7>I think that there are a lot of signs important

797
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:49.719
<v Speaker 7>to lead us to that place.

798
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:50.079
<v Speaker 4>Well.

799
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.400
<v Speaker 5>I will also point out one of the ones Ali

800
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 5>pointed out, and that they did start circling around it

801
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:56.920
<v Speaker 5>at the beginning, but Ali was joking about it at

802
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:59.320
<v Speaker 5>the beginning, is like, why is the handwriting like this,

803
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:03.039
<v Speaker 5>Like it's it's Jeff. Jeff wrote the note, and so

804
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:06.079
<v Speaker 5>it's Jeff's handwriting, and it's I think it's Jeff's handwriting

805
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:08.639
<v Speaker 5>to both him and Delenne. So I don't know why

806
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:10.519
<v Speaker 5>they think it's different handwriting it. It looks the same

807
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:10.760
<v Speaker 5>to me.

808
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:13.639
<v Speaker 7>It looked mostly you know what was different about it?

809
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:18.000
<v Speaker 7>I think it was that it felt like Jeffrey David

810
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:21.239
<v Speaker 7>Sinclair was like like scratched over three times in pen,

811
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.519
<v Speaker 7>like it looked wider and then de Lenz like the

812
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.280
<v Speaker 7>letters D E, L E and and were spread out

813
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.440
<v Speaker 7>more to fill the page as an artistic choice for

814
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.920
<v Speaker 7>like being on camera rather than trying to crunch them

815
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:35.119
<v Speaker 7>all in. I think that's the only thing that looks

816
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.039
<v Speaker 7>different about it. And then they look thinner. The letters

817
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.360
<v Speaker 7>look a little bit thinner, so that's yeah. I can

818
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:40.760
<v Speaker 7>see why they would be like, oh, they might not

819
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:43.280
<v Speaker 7>be the same handwriting, but I think if they look

820
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 7>at it carefully, they're clearly Jeff's bad man scrowl.

821
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:49.199
<v Speaker 2>That's all it is.

822
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:50.199
<v Speaker 4>It's just his handwriting.

823
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:52.039
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

824
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I took a bunch of notes while they were

825
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:59.119
<v Speaker 5>talking because it was making me laugh when they were like, Oh,

826
00:41:59.159 --> 00:41:59.960
<v Speaker 5>they haven't kissed yet.

827
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:03.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm pretty sure. Correct me if I'm wrong. They kiss

828
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:04.400
<v Speaker 4>in this episode.

829
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:09.440
<v Speaker 5>I think they kiss the next episode, but it's future

830
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:17.639
<v Speaker 5>Delenne kissing Bruce, who is like Bruce has he's unstuck

831
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:21.199
<v Speaker 5>in time, so he slid into the consciousness of a

832
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:25.440
<v Speaker 5>future version of himself and so he's in a cell

833
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:28.800
<v Speaker 5>with Delenne, who's like his wife at this point in time,

834
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.880
<v Speaker 5>and kisses him because like, that's her husband, and that's

835
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:36.599
<v Speaker 5>I've heard that married people sometimes kissed, so.

836
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:43.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, me too. So they do kiss in this episode,

837
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 4>which just made me laugh. Like they haven't kissed yet.

838
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.199
<v Speaker 5>I'm pretty sure they do later, but it's gonna be

839
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:52.079
<v Speaker 5>a whole thing where she realizes that it's Bruce from

840
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.400
<v Speaker 5>the past and then she starts telling him don't go

841
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 5>to don't go to and you know he will go

842
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:04.880
<v Speaker 5>to Zahd's you can't not. But yeah, so that made

843
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:05.280
<v Speaker 5>me laugh.

844
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:10.199
<v Speaker 4>The Garibaldi thing, I it never occurred to me because

845
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 4>even if you read.

846
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:15.960
<v Speaker 5>The the Lookers Guide, several people asked why why is

847
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.239
<v Speaker 5>Garabaldi not there, It never occurred to me that they

848
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:22.199
<v Speaker 5>would just think it was because of the battle, Like

849
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:23.400
<v Speaker 5>I see, it's.

850
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:26.719
<v Speaker 7>It's funny because yeah, in the Lurker's Guide he's just like, yeah,

851
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:31.480
<v Speaker 7>you'll find out in the next episode, and I'm like, no, Look,

852
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:34.440
<v Speaker 7>I mean I think we know that Jeff Valen is

853
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:39.320
<v Speaker 7>going to be like, if my my purview, my viewpoint

854
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.840
<v Speaker 7>has to be bigger than one person, and he would sacrifice,

855
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:46.400
<v Speaker 7>he would sacrifice Garibaldi if that had to happen for

856
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:49.639
<v Speaker 7>the future to turn out, right. So I think we

857
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.599
<v Speaker 7>know that about him. But I definitely think there's an

858
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:57.480
<v Speaker 7>element of this setup that really does feel like it's

859
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 7>just playing as in, you're my best you're my best friend,

860
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:01.800
<v Speaker 7>I care about you, so much, I don't want you to,

861
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:04.159
<v Speaker 7>and then he straight up says it. He's like, if

862
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.199
<v Speaker 7>you would have come with me, you wouldn't have gotten

863
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.119
<v Speaker 7>off of it. You would not have gotten off of

864
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:09.840
<v Speaker 7>battle and battle, And for think.

865
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 3>I think it's too promped. I think it is definitely

866
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:14.440
<v Speaker 3>you're my best friend. I want to save you, but

867
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.320
<v Speaker 3>also you're my best friend, and I know how you'll

868
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.000
<v Speaker 3>act because in the flashback, he's like, what was happening.

869
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:22.880
<v Speaker 3>It's like this, I set the reactor.

870
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:23.840
<v Speaker 1>This is happening.

871
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:26.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm He's like, he's like really excited to go out

872
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:28.760
<v Speaker 3>in a blaze of glory. I think that he's like

873
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.360
<v Speaker 3>Garribaldi is probably going to go out in a blaze

874
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:34.320
<v Speaker 3>of glory no matter what happens. Like if we bring him,

875
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:35.880
<v Speaker 3>he's either going to set off the reactor. He's going

876
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.599
<v Speaker 3>to sacrifice himself, like that's just who he is. Well,

877
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:40.599
<v Speaker 3>so I want to see him and also prevent the

878
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:43.239
<v Speaker 3>reactor from being set off prematurely, which results in the

879
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.840
<v Speaker 3>bad future. That you need to have him there because

880
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:47.199
<v Speaker 3>I think he's just like, oh, he's going to just

881
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:50.000
<v Speaker 3>do that, even if it's with the best intentions. Garibaldi

882
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.960
<v Speaker 3>is going to cause the reaction that leads to the

883
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:53.639
<v Speaker 3>bad future.

884
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.320
<v Speaker 5>Kis I Actually, I'm pretty sure guy could be wrong

885
00:44:57.320 --> 00:44:59.880
<v Speaker 5>about this, but that flash forward is probably from this

886
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.559
<v Speaker 5>same timeline that Evanava is in, right, So it's that's

887
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:07.000
<v Speaker 5>a that's a flash forward that's happening on Babylon five.

888
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.159
<v Speaker 4>It's not happening on Babylon four.

889
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:13.599
<v Speaker 5>The reason, the actual, like literal physical reason that he

890
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:18.320
<v Speaker 5>doesn't want uh Garibaldi to be on Babylon four is

891
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:20.840
<v Speaker 5>something that we will see next episode. Jeff is going

892
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.599
<v Speaker 5>to age, just like he's going to become old. Ask

893
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.559
<v Speaker 5>Jeff because he's been through the Time Rift twice and

894
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.119
<v Speaker 5>he's the only one who has been through it twice.

895
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:32.440
<v Speaker 5>If Garibaldi came, he would be going through through a

896
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:34.639
<v Speaker 5>second time. And he's like, well, I'm willing to risk

897
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:38.800
<v Speaker 5>my own health and sacrifice some years of my life.

898
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:43.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm not willing to risk any of Garibaldi's. So that's like,

899
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:47.280
<v Speaker 5>it's it's that's why he just doesn't want Garibaldi to

900
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:52.320
<v Speaker 5>age another thirty years or whatever. So yeah, I was

901
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:55.519
<v Speaker 5>I thought maybe because Gus was such a big fan

902
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.480
<v Speaker 5>or big like, I don't know, he was a big

903
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.639
<v Speaker 5>proponent of old ash that he would make that connection,

904
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:02.280
<v Speaker 5>but he didn't.

905
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:05.280
<v Speaker 4>And but I literally didn't think it would be that

906
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:06.320
<v Speaker 4>confusing a question.

907
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:08.840
<v Speaker 7>So but I also I do think I think it

908
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:11.800
<v Speaker 7>is a little bit because it's to me, the reason

909
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:15.039
<v Speaker 7>is exactly the same. It is it is Jeff caring

910
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 7>about his friend and not wanting his friend to either

911
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:20.440
<v Speaker 7>be sacrificed or go through the ages twice or whatever.

912
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.480
<v Speaker 7>And it's really just a there isn't I think where

913
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:25.159
<v Speaker 7>Gus was like, wait a minute, you're telling me there's

914
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:27.239
<v Speaker 7>something else is like suddenly they were like what's the

915
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 7>plot point? And like rapa, Like you're saying, like, yes,

916
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.079
<v Speaker 7>part of it is Garibaldi will behave in a way

917
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.880
<v Speaker 7>that's probably going to make things more complicated, so let's

918
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.599
<v Speaker 7>just leave him out of the equation. But it isn't

919
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:41.559
<v Speaker 7>so much like if if Garibaldi is on this, then

920
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:43.559
<v Speaker 7>this won't happen, and that happens in this and this

921
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 7>and this, Like I think that the way when when

922
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:47.480
<v Speaker 7>you ask them, Gus was like, wait a minute, there's

923
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.800
<v Speaker 7>more to it than just caring about your friend not

924
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.880
<v Speaker 7>going through a thing, right, And yeah, And so I mean,

925
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:56.000
<v Speaker 7>but I also don't know that they men necessarily would

926
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:57.840
<v Speaker 7>have made the leap of like going through it twice

927
00:46:57.960 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 7>is going to double age you.

928
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:00.880
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, you know, I just I was thinking he

929
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 5>might make a connection because right now Jeff looks the same.

930
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.000
<v Speaker 5>He hasn't aged, he hasn't becomeforable as Jeff. So I

931
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:11.000
<v Speaker 5>was wondering if they would make that connection, But they haven't.

932
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:11.000
<v Speaker 7>You know what.

933
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:11.360
<v Speaker 4>Together.

934
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:13.199
<v Speaker 7>The other reason I don't think they're going to make

935
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:18.159
<v Speaker 7>that connection is that there's like we know Jeff goes

936
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:20.280
<v Speaker 7>forward backward in time. We just saw Bruce in the

937
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.199
<v Speaker 7>future when he looks a little older, like I mean,

938
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:26.559
<v Speaker 7>he's now in his mind, but he's then in his body,

939
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:29.559
<v Speaker 7>and then we've seen old Jeff. But we know that

940
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:31.360
<v Speaker 7>Jeff goes back and forth. So I think like even

941
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:34.039
<v Speaker 7>the idea that maybe Jeff goes back on Babylon for

942
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.519
<v Speaker 7>to stop the Membari a thousand years ago, but then

943
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:39.719
<v Speaker 7>he lives there for fifty years before he comes back

944
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:40.679
<v Speaker 7>to be old Jeff.

945
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:43.039
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean, like they could think that's true.

946
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:45.079
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I don't think it's cool that it's like it's

947
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.320
<v Speaker 7>a time rift that's causing the aging. It's going to

948
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:49.079
<v Speaker 7>be just like he just went through. He went through

949
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:53.239
<v Speaker 7>fifty years. They can be an actual timeline. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

950
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:57.239
<v Speaker 7>like Captain America coming back at the end of Endgame,

951
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.519
<v Speaker 7>which we all now have in ourz that guy. So like, oh,

952
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:02.400
<v Speaker 7>you can show up in the same timeline but be

953
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 7>older than you were before because you went through the time.

954
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:05.480
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean.

955
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:09.079
<v Speaker 7>I think that. I think it's not I don't think

956
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:12.559
<v Speaker 7>they're they're thinking about like what that, what that means,

957
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:13.320
<v Speaker 7>or how that could happen.

958
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:24.440
<v Speaker 4>Other notes that I have here.

959
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:28.320
<v Speaker 5>Ali is one hund right about every single wish that

960
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 5>anybody makes to the genie comes true, every single one.

961
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:34.280
<v Speaker 5>Like if you said something off, his head gets cut

962
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:36.480
<v Speaker 5>off and put on a pike. That's that's Vera's wish.

963
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.760
<v Speaker 5>Everything Londo said to the point that even like Londo said,

964
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:41.840
<v Speaker 5>of what I wish is to be left alone, he

965
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.960
<v Speaker 5>is like he basically lives a very solitary life. But

966
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:50.320
<v Speaker 5>like and Jaikar's wishes all come true. Everybody's wish comes true.

967
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Ali's right on that do not do not talk to

968
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:56.400
<v Speaker 4>a genie is bad.

969
00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:59.800
<v Speaker 3>Gosh, I'm so excited for the next episode. Are we

970
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:01.920
<v Speaker 3>to even reference the next episode.

971
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:02.280
<v Speaker 8>In this conversation.

972
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:06.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, when when we get to finally get the

973
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:11.360
<v Speaker 3>culmination of the vision that Londo had of Jacar his

974
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:16.239
<v Speaker 3>hands around my neck squeezing yes, and why that actually

975
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:20.039
<v Speaker 3>is is one of my favorite like, like this is

976
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.039
<v Speaker 3>this is why Babylon five is such a great show.

977
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:26.440
<v Speaker 3>It's because a thing presented completely as it is and

978
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:30.079
<v Speaker 3>then completely reincontect your lize like seasons later you're like oh,

979
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:33.400
<v Speaker 3>and you're like, oh, it's actually beautiful in a weird way.

980
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:38.760
<v Speaker 5>I'm wondering if because we have been talking about this, Jenna,

981
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:40.920
<v Speaker 5>I've been talking about this for ages that Gus and

982
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:44.400
<v Speaker 5>Ali do not seem to remember that they've seen Jaikar

983
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:45.440
<v Speaker 5>missing an eye.

984
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:48.800
<v Speaker 4>If they've noticed it in the next episode, they'll.

985
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:51.599
<v Speaker 5>Be like oh, because they are so sure that they

986
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 5>know what the eye they cannot see is, and they're

987
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:55.480
<v Speaker 5>like wrong, so wrong.

988
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:56.960
<v Speaker 4>I was.

989
00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:59.320
<v Speaker 3>I was tempted, but I didn't want to throw a

990
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.360
<v Speaker 3>We're so close to the big moments that I didn't

991
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:04.360
<v Speaker 3>want to throw any wrenches. I don't want to be

992
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:06.960
<v Speaker 3>like other characters in Babylon five. What do you think

993
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.119
<v Speaker 3>they're doing in this during this episode they haven't seen

994
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:11.280
<v Speaker 3>them like Jaikar, what do you think he's up to?

995
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:17.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's around okay.

996
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:21.599
<v Speaker 5>Other notes, I took something offhand remark that Gus said

997
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:24.280
<v Speaker 5>as a joke the Friendly Spider Man goes to Satari Prime.

998
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.199
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes he does. That was a joke, he said,

999
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.079
<v Speaker 4>But he totally does and it's bad.

1000
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1001
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:36.519
<v Speaker 5>Another note I took Ali was talking about like I

1002
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.639
<v Speaker 5>can't the way I wrote it, what if it's a

1003
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 5>potential future and we're fucking with it? And like Isio

1004
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:44.400
<v Speaker 5>what if she he thinks that he's doing something but

1005
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.559
<v Speaker 5>he's trying to prevent the future that's supposed to happen

1006
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:51.119
<v Speaker 5>with Garibaldi, like he's kind of overthinking it. And that

1007
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:55.599
<v Speaker 5>reminded me of something that happens in the future where

1008
00:50:55.719 --> 00:51:01.159
<v Speaker 5>Bruce overthinks things and basically he I can't remember exactly

1009
00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:04.440
<v Speaker 5>what it is, but he is told not to do

1010
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:08.559
<v Speaker 5>something I think in the next episode, and then later

1011
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:13.239
<v Speaker 5>on he does, like I think he's told not to

1012
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:16.280
<v Speaker 5>do something, and then later on he does it because

1013
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:19.280
<v Speaker 5>he thinks, what if the thing happened because I listened

1014
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.800
<v Speaker 5>and didn't do it right, And like he over he

1015
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:28.320
<v Speaker 5>overthinks it, and it basically causes a problem. So that

1016
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.639
<v Speaker 5>just reminded me of that. Like you try and fuck

1017
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:34.360
<v Speaker 5>with time, it just becomes it gets confusing.

1018
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.440
<v Speaker 3>There's a very funny comedy sketch I saw a while

1019
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:40.400
<v Speaker 3>back where it was like a guy like comes back

1020
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:42.599
<v Speaker 3>from the future to talk to his future. I just like, Hey,

1021
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:44.679
<v Speaker 3>I need to send you a message in the future.

1022
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:48.079
<v Speaker 3>You're doing fine, just keep up whatever you're doing. It

1023
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:49.320
<v Speaker 3>actually results being great.

1024
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:50.920
<v Speaker 8>And it's just like, why would you tell me that?

1025
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:52.840
<v Speaker 3>Now I'm gonna second guess everything, like it's just what

1026
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:55.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm supposed to be saying. Oh damn, I didn't think

1027
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:55.199
<v Speaker 3>of that.

1028
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:59.639
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I just wanted to tell you something terrible. It's terrible.

1029
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:05.519
<v Speaker 3>Differently, I did well when I did.

1030
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.239
<v Speaker 7>Teachers still have kids write that letter at the beginning

1031
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:10.960
<v Speaker 7>of school year. What would you tell your eighth grade self?

1032
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:12.880
<v Speaker 7>What would you tell you now that you're in eighth grade?

1033
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:14.400
<v Speaker 7>What would you have told your sixth grade self? Like

1034
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:18.360
<v Speaker 7>write that letter? And I'm like, no, you know.

1035
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:22.079
<v Speaker 5>The only other note that I wrote down here, I

1036
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:26.400
<v Speaker 5>think yeah, is Catherine, And Gus is right that Catherine

1037
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:26.719
<v Speaker 5>is in.

1038
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:30.119
<v Speaker 4>The book that basically is about Jeff's time on Minbar.

1039
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:34.880
<v Speaker 5>I had thought initially that I was going to tell

1040
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:36.840
<v Speaker 5>them about that. He seems to know about it.

1041
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:39.440
<v Speaker 4>I don't know how. Maybe I mentioned it, but I

1042
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:40.000
<v Speaker 4>don't think I did.

1043
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:44.039
<v Speaker 5>I think, okay, a long time ago, but I don't

1044
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:46.280
<v Speaker 5>necessarily want to bring up or tell them what happened

1045
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:51.159
<v Speaker 5>with Catherine specifically in that book, because her name comes up,

1046
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:55.119
<v Speaker 5>I think in season four, and it comes up as

1047
00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:57.639
<v Speaker 5>it like a throwaway line. I think Gary Baldi says

1048
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:03.719
<v Speaker 5>it that Catherine has disappeared, and that is what happens

1049
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:06.719
<v Speaker 5>in the book. Basically the book ends kind of with

1050
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:10.960
<v Speaker 5>this Catherine has disappeared, and it is heavily implied, although

1051
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:14.559
<v Speaker 5>it's never said that she disappeared in the rift and

1052
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:18.360
<v Speaker 5>is back in time with Jeff and they literally happily

1053
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:21.599
<v Speaker 5>ever after because she like went looking for him. I

1054
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:23.679
<v Speaker 5>think I can't remember, it's been like a year since

1055
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:26.679
<v Speaker 5>I read the book, but that's it's heavily implied that

1056
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:29.079
<v Speaker 5>she went back in time and lived out her life

1057
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:30.559
<v Speaker 5>with Jeff in the past.

1058
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:34.239
<v Speaker 7>Well that's interesting because JMS says, did you read he wrote?

1059
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:37.000
<v Speaker 7>In JMS speaks? Okay, so in JMA Speaks he says

1060
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:39.559
<v Speaker 7>he's talking about As for Sinclair, this is what I

1061
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:42.440
<v Speaker 7>read earlier. As for Sinclair, he was mainly involved with Sekai.

1062
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.039
<v Speaker 7>The next thing he says is Sakai certainly wouldn't have

1063
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.599
<v Speaker 7>wanted to get tied down to life on Minbar, and

1064
00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:49.679
<v Speaker 7>Sinclair knew that his life would be difficult now with

1065
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:53.039
<v Speaker 7>the Rangers, so they parted ways like that's what he

1066
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:55.760
<v Speaker 7>was saying here at this time and place, And then

1067
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:58.079
<v Speaker 7>later that book got written and he was like, never mind,

1068
00:53:58.239 --> 00:53:59.400
<v Speaker 7>they can be together in the past.

1069
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:00.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah exactly.

1070
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:02.079
<v Speaker 5>I think the book has like he thinks of the

1071
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:03.639
<v Speaker 5>book as canon, but I don't think it had been

1072
00:54:03.639 --> 00:54:04.559
<v Speaker 5>written at this point.

1073
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:06.480
<v Speaker 7>So no, yeah exactly, I don't think so, And I

1074
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:08.280
<v Speaker 7>don't think he really gave it that much thought. The

1075
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:10.440
<v Speaker 7>other thing he said, oh go ahead, God.

1076
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:12.639
<v Speaker 4>I would say, why would you have given it much thought?

1077
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:15.880
<v Speaker 7>Like yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. At this point he

1078
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:17.559
<v Speaker 7>was just like writing something off for her, And then

1079
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:22.679
<v Speaker 7>probably JMS being JMS, was like, actually, especially, I'm sure

1080
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:26.639
<v Speaker 7>the book probably wasn't written until we get into season four.

1081
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:30.920
<v Speaker 7>I have and he's like, oh, let me figure it out, yeah,

1082
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:35.199
<v Speaker 7>like where did she go? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, But

1083
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.320
<v Speaker 7>then he's also talking, oh sorry, he just does this

1084
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.880
<v Speaker 7>thing about Sheridan. Sheridan wasn't a backup for Sinclair. He

1085
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:43.360
<v Speaker 7>was brought in specifically because I needed someone who could

1086
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:45.199
<v Speaker 7>and would do things in a different way and had

1087
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.679
<v Speaker 7>a different arc. If it was going to track one

1088
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:51.679
<v Speaker 7>to one, you would need you wouldn't need a new character. Yeah.

1089
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:54.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, this is part of like what I was saying

1090
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:58.639
<v Speaker 5>before about him, sort of heavily implying that this was

1091
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:04.599
<v Speaker 5>always intentional, right, yeah, right, which it wasn't, but it feels,

1092
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.519
<v Speaker 5>especially at the end of this episode, everything feels so

1093
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:11.519
<v Speaker 5>fucking intentional, like yeah, yeah, but he also does.

1094
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:15.599
<v Speaker 3>He's built in trap doors for all his characters exactly exactly.

1095
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:17.199
<v Speaker 7>You're having the trap doors in there, and then you

1096
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:20.360
<v Speaker 7>can still but you can still have you can still

1097
00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:23.039
<v Speaker 7>have the I mean, I talk about this all the time.

1098
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:24.440
<v Speaker 7>This is such a mean thing to say, but we're

1099
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:27.519
<v Speaker 7>talking about episode one earlier. And when episode one came out,

1100
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:28.920
<v Speaker 7>I loved it, by the way, even though I fell

1101
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:30.599
<v Speaker 7>asleep in that first one, I was like, it's amazing.

1102
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:32.360
<v Speaker 7>And we went to dinner and people were bagging out

1103
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:35.280
<v Speaker 7>and I was like, shut up, you're all wrong. And

1104
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:37.760
<v Speaker 7>then later I was like, Okay, maybe, but somebody at

1105
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.159
<v Speaker 7>the time described to me that they were like George

1106
00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:43.039
<v Speaker 7>Lucas was like a child drawing a circle. He started here,

1107
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:45.159
<v Speaker 7>but when he got right all the way around, he didn't.

1108
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.320
<v Speaker 7>He couldn't. Like, yeah, the on the you're like, you know,

1109
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:50.480
<v Speaker 7>you're stuck with what you've got. You're like, shit, it

1110
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:54.679
<v Speaker 7>doesn't it doesn't line up. And they use that analogy

1111
00:55:54.800 --> 00:56:00.440
<v Speaker 7>here because somebody says something about him, like the time thing,

1112
00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:02.639
<v Speaker 7>and was it all was it all figured out that

1113
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:05.239
<v Speaker 7>he did know where, like how everything would loop back around?

1114
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:08.079
<v Speaker 7>I can't find it. It's there's a lot in JMS speaking.

1115
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:09.679
<v Speaker 4>And it's a huge one. It's a very huge one.

1116
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:12.199
<v Speaker 7>So did you work out the circular sequence of events

1117
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.079
<v Speaker 7>as you went or was it all mapped out beforehand? No,

1118
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:17.679
<v Speaker 7>it all has to hang together or it's kind of useless.

1119
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:20.039
<v Speaker 7>It just required working out the details of what was,

1120
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:22.800
<v Speaker 7>is and will be. And then I walked on water.

1121
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:28.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, basically a leap of faith whatever however you want

1122
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:31.079
<v Speaker 5>to warn it. But like, it is amazing to be

1123
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:35.000
<v Speaker 5>how well it works considering that he obviously, I mean,

1124
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:37.360
<v Speaker 5>we know what his original plan was and this was

1125
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:40.599
<v Speaker 5>not it Like every Babylon four was going to go

1126
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:43.679
<v Speaker 5>to the future and Delenn and him We're going to

1127
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:45.000
<v Speaker 5>have like a magic baby.

1128
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:49.480
<v Speaker 4>And it was like, it's very very, very different story,

1129
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:53.079
<v Speaker 4>and yet this is what we got, And I think

1130
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:54.000
<v Speaker 4>what we got is better.

1131
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:58.599
<v Speaker 5>I granted, I do have to remind myself that, you know,

1132
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.679
<v Speaker 5>what I know of the original plan. I know of

1133
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:04.559
<v Speaker 5>his point four notes, not as a story, right, so

1134
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:07.360
<v Speaker 5>it's maybe if it was a story, it would be

1135
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.440
<v Speaker 5>really good, but his point form notes. Looking at them,

1136
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, oh, what we got is so much better.

1137
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:14.800
<v Speaker 4>So you know, I don't know.

1138
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:17.159
<v Speaker 7>And them going to the future and having a baby,

1139
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:20.920
<v Speaker 7>I mean, we know. JMS, you know, like me also

1140
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:23.719
<v Speaker 7>writes the animation in comics, and there's i mean, the

1141
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:27.119
<v Speaker 7>Days of Future Past storyline in X Men is from

1142
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:31.119
<v Speaker 7>the early eighties. He was very familiar with that. I'm

1143
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:33.800
<v Speaker 7>sure how could he not be at this time, I mean,

1144
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:35.519
<v Speaker 7>he was writing Spider Man, he was writing in Marvel,

1145
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:38.400
<v Speaker 7>so like, you know, it's not like he wasn't especially.

1146
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:42.239
<v Speaker 3>Even like transferring consciousness versus like the actual entity entirely.

1147
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:44.239
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so I do think that there's yeah, exactly, So

1148
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:48.239
<v Speaker 7>I just think that there's it doesn't surprise me, saying

1149
00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:49.760
<v Speaker 7>that he's not Robert Jordan, who's gonna be like, you

1150
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:51.559
<v Speaker 7>figured it out, I'm changing it. He didn't, but he

1151
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:53.360
<v Speaker 7>was like, oh wait, here's a better and more elegant

1152
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.000
<v Speaker 7>way to tell the story. I'm still trying to tell.

1153
00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:00.440
<v Speaker 3>Writers do that because it's like, all of the isn't

1154
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:03.440
<v Speaker 3>the point of the story. The story is the point.

1155
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:08.360
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I mean I've said this before, but I feel

1156
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:10.599
<v Speaker 5>like the world, like writers, a lot of writers learned

1157
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:13.800
<v Speaker 5>the wrong lesson from Game of Thrones, which is like, oh,

1158
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:16.559
<v Speaker 5>surprising everybody is the most important thing.

1159
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:21.559
<v Speaker 4>It's like, right, No, that the reason that ned the

1160
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:22.679
<v Speaker 4>spoilers for Game of Thrones.

1161
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:24.599
<v Speaker 5>But the reason that worked is because it was inevitable,

1162
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:28.199
<v Speaker 5>and all of us, because we've read so many stories,

1163
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:31.559
<v Speaker 5>we were thinking, how are they going to under like

1164
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:35.000
<v Speaker 5>make this a thing that is obvious and inevitable, Like

1165
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:38.280
<v Speaker 5>it was shocking because every other story has done the opposite.

1166
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:39.920
<v Speaker 4>But the story made.

1167
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:44.079
<v Speaker 3>Sense and it was able to continue on because the story.

1168
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:47.519
<v Speaker 5>Makes sense exactly. Just surprising me for the sake of

1169
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:49.679
<v Speaker 5>surprising me just pisses me off.

1170
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:54.400
<v Speaker 4>The story It makes sense, please, It's like.

1171
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:57.360
<v Speaker 3>It's like jump scares. I've always thought jump scares are

1172
00:58:57.400 --> 00:58:59.360
<v Speaker 3>like the comedy equivalent of the stand up getting off

1173
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:01.679
<v Speaker 3>a stage and tick you. It's just like you're getting

1174
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:04.320
<v Speaker 3>a reaction. But like, I don't, I'm not thinking about

1175
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.079
<v Speaker 3>the well crafted joke, right.

1176
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:13.519
<v Speaker 4>Imagine a comedy show jumps off stage.

1177
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:18.159
<v Speaker 7>I was in a show recently. I was sitting in

1178
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:20.800
<v Speaker 7>the front row at a very small venue, which I

1179
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:23.400
<v Speaker 7>just don't always recommend unless you really know who the

1180
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:26.760
<v Speaker 7>headliners are. And uh, there was somebody who was very

1181
00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:31.840
<v Speaker 7>physical and sweaty and spitty. Oh let me just say,

1182
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:34.000
<v Speaker 7>let me just say. It was the equivalent of someone

1183
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:36.599
<v Speaker 7>jumping off, jumping off the stage and tickling me.

1184
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:40.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, that's no.

1185
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:44.960
<v Speaker 7>I know who's I know who's in the set before

1186
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:45.880
<v Speaker 7>you choose the front row.

1187
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:48.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those splash guards.

1188
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:58.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, wow, oh my lord, Okay, other things that's going

1189
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:00.440
<v Speaker 5>on in this episode, I don't, I don't know.

1190
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:02.840
<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's just there's so much set up. There's

1191
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:04.440
<v Speaker 7>so much set up. But like I mean, and not again,

1192
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:06.679
<v Speaker 7>like we can spoil whatever we want here for sure,

1193
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:12.719
<v Speaker 7>But it is like, you know, I mean, asking Ali

1194
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:15.679
<v Speaker 7>and Gus to make make leaps. I mean, I you know,

1195
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:17.400
<v Speaker 7>it's just fun to watch them squirm and have to

1196
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:19.760
<v Speaker 7>wait two days to have to say and.

1197
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:22.639
<v Speaker 4>It is only two days. Understand, I am not evil

1198
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:24.800
<v Speaker 4>and it was not my choice. I did not in

1199
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:25.400
<v Speaker 4>any way.

1200
01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:29.760
<v Speaker 5>Everybody in my discord server has been like breaking me

1201
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:31.199
<v Speaker 5>over the coals for doing I know.

1202
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:33.440
<v Speaker 7>I know, and I don't want to. I don't want to.

1203
01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:35.800
<v Speaker 7>I'm not gonna, okay, I'm not going to give them fodder,

1204
01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:37.440
<v Speaker 7>but I might give them a little bit of fodder.

1205
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:38.960
<v Speaker 7>I do want to say that you were I mean,

1206
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:40.360
<v Speaker 7>it is the middle of the night for you, so

1207
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:42.880
<v Speaker 7>like doing a six hour a set tonight would have

1208
01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:46.159
<v Speaker 7>been really brutal a after you had a long week

1209
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:52.239
<v Speaker 7>and B and then also you know, but Gus was like,

1210
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:54.079
<v Speaker 7>are we going to do too? And you were like,

1211
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:55.960
<v Speaker 7>if you want to.

1212
01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:58.880
<v Speaker 4>That's what I meant. I didn't think it was a

1213
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:00.840
<v Speaker 4>text you were need tone to.

1214
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:05.119
<v Speaker 3>Musical text.

1215
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:10.199
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I just said if you want to. And then

1216
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:15.159
<v Speaker 5>you said we could do one and one on Monday,

1217
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:18.199
<v Speaker 5>and I said, don't go.

1218
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:22.559
<v Speaker 4>I mean, okay, I might.

1219
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:27.800
<v Speaker 7>I may have added the we could do one today

1220
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:30.400
<v Speaker 7>and one on Monday, because I was like, oh, maybe

1221
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:33.440
<v Speaker 7>they should suffer a little bit. I think I might

1222
01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:35.199
<v Speaker 7>have statistically put that in there.

1223
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:42.960
<v Speaker 4>See everybody that's gen that's evil Jen, it was me.

1224
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:46.880
<v Speaker 8>It was me in the generation. You know who to

1225
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:47.480
<v Speaker 8>go after?

1226
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:49.599
<v Speaker 7>That's right, that's right.

1227
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:57.159
<v Speaker 3>Hmm, generation versus generation. I'm still I'm still workshopping.

1228
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:01.639
<v Speaker 7>I had I had a pilot. I had a pilot.

1229
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:05.559
<v Speaker 7>I had a pilot called uh uh, I can't know,

1230
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:07.239
<v Speaker 7>I can't remember it, but it was. It was about

1231
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:11.159
<v Speaker 7>a character named Jhen who's in between the generations. That's

1232
01:02:11.159 --> 01:02:11.559
<v Speaker 7>a good plan.

1233
01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:11.920
<v Speaker 4>Words.

1234
01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:15.559
<v Speaker 5>I was just gonna say, I thought we decided that

1235
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:19.480
<v Speaker 5>fans of my channel were just called lesbians. If you

1236
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:22.920
<v Speaker 5>watch my channel, you're a lesbian. That's just the congratulations,

1237
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:27.039
<v Speaker 5>Yes exactly.

1238
01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:31.199
<v Speaker 4>I was about to say something really dirty and I'll

1239
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:37.920
<v Speaker 4>just leave that one. So do you guys have any

1240
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:40.239
<v Speaker 4>further final thoughts?

1241
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I'm just I mean, I'm just really excited to

1242
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:47.480
<v Speaker 3>see the reaction of the next episode, Like when the

1243
01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:51.440
<v Speaker 3>with the Velin confirmation, with the reveal of like oh

1244
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:56.519
<v Speaker 3>old Londo and old Jakar, like all, like there's there's

1245
01:02:56.559 --> 01:03:00.800
<v Speaker 3>so much full circle loveliness that is, like I forgot

1246
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:02.880
<v Speaker 3>where this episode ended and I was at least hoping

1247
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:04.599
<v Speaker 3>we got to like the choking and I was like, no.

1248
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:09.079
<v Speaker 5>Time, it just ends like in the middle, because I

1249
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:11.639
<v Speaker 5>think in the UK, this showed is like one episode

1250
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:16.239
<v Speaker 5>because the UK they really like like the last two parter,

1251
01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:18.239
<v Speaker 5>it's the same, or it just sort of sponts it

1252
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:23.440
<v Speaker 5>doesn't like end at a natural ending spot, because.

1253
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:26.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the British do love to do that with their

1254
01:03:26.599 --> 01:03:30.880
<v Speaker 3>sci fi and I it hurts, but I also love

1255
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:32.599
<v Speaker 3>it because it does build anticipation.

1256
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:34.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah it does.

1257
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:36.599
<v Speaker 7>I mean, and you know it is. It's not like

1258
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:39.760
<v Speaker 7>a cliffhanger up ending. It's a what's next yea, or

1259
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:41.800
<v Speaker 7>on the next let's take the first step into the

1260
01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:44.039
<v Speaker 7>next section. But the other thing is that this also

1261
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:49.320
<v Speaker 7>feels like where we are in this series, like in

1262
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:53.559
<v Speaker 7>the same the same way, because they're they're just showing

1263
01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:57.079
<v Speaker 7>us everything here and we have two and a half

1264
01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:00.760
<v Speaker 7>seasons left, like you know, or one seasons left. Sorry

1265
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:02.800
<v Speaker 7>when I have seasons left, but they're they're showing is

1266
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:06.320
<v Speaker 7>no two and a half, four and five? Yeah, I can't.

1267
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:10.079
<v Speaker 7>I can math can math? I just became an honorary lesbian.

1268
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:16.239
<v Speaker 5>Math because I'm a gay and we don't know except

1269
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:19.400
<v Speaker 5>what I was about to do but right right there

1270
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:23.280
<v Speaker 5>the exception to the rulan.

1271
01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:26.719
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I guess that's true. That's true. Anyway, I was

1272
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:30.599
<v Speaker 7>just going to say that, like they're showing us all

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<v Speaker 7>the ending and yet the gift now is how do

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<v Speaker 7>we get there?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 7>It's really fun, It's really it's cool.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like it's almost like doing like a maze on

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<v Speaker 3>the back of a cereal box. At least how I

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<v Speaker 3>did them was I would start with the beginning and

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<v Speaker 3>the end, and I'll try to work.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, interesting, I love that.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 7>That is cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know this is the writing on this show man.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so good. This is this is peak. This is peak,

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<v Speaker 4>like this is I can't.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay JMS more like JM yes, oh.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, oh my god. Well yes, if you like this,

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<v Speaker 4>you might want to see your reaction. It's up on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 5>You could get the unedited version, which is up on

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<v Speaker 5>Thank You, Thank You, patri. It is almost four am

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<v Speaker 5>up on patreons and I get early access AD free

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<v Speaker 5>version of the audio podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Access to a super secret channel and discord. It's super secret,

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<v Speaker 4>so we don't tell anybody.

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<v Speaker 7>Wrap up.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't know about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't tell anybody, Okay, do not be like Sathrisks, do

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<v Speaker 5>not tell anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be nice, nice and and quiet about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah it's fine, right yeah, yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And also order to get in yet to see if

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<v Speaker 3>you're say, if your team pouch your team tentacle.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, that's right, yes a march that reminded me.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you. The other thing was we got merch.

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<v Speaker 5>You can check on the merch store and get like

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<v Speaker 5>our big Tentacle energy shirt because you know it's important.

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<v Speaker 11>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's it. So yeah, like a subscribed, great review,

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<v Speaker 4>do all the stuff and we'll see you for

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<v Speaker 2>Bye bye