1 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,000 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,280 going to bring you this week's episode of Dragnet. But first, 4 00:00:42,359 --> 00:00:45,600 I do want to encourage you, if you're enjoying the podcast, 5 00:00:46,119 --> 00:00:50,799 to please follow us using your favorite podcast software. And 6 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,119 today's program is brought to you in part by the 7 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,920 financial support of our listeners. You can support the show 8 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:01,799 by mailing a donation to Adam Graham Peelbox one three. 9 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,680 That's fuel Box one five nine thirteen, Boise, Aldaho eight 10 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,480 three seven one five. Now from April third, nineteen fifty two, 11 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,239 here is the Big street Car. 12 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,359 Speaker 2: The story you were about to hear is true. The 13 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:36,480 names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a 14 00:01:36,519 --> 00:01:40,799 detective sergeant. You're assigned a homicide detail. A man is 15 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,680 shot down on the street of a residential neighborhood. He's 16 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:46,799 critically wounded. You don't know who the assailant is. You 17 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:47,719 don't know where he is. 18 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: Your jobey. 19 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,879 Speaker 4: The documented drama of an actual crime. Well the next 20 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,959 thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police. 21 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: Department, you will travel. 22 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 4: Step by step on the side of the law through 23 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:14,599 an actual case transcribed from official police violence, from beginning 24 00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:18,360 to end, from crime to punishment. Dragnet is the story 25 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,800 of your police force in action. 26 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 5: January twentieth was mild in Los Angeles. We were working 27 00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:27,199 the night Watch out of homicide detail. 28 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 6: My partner's Ed Jacobs. The boss is stad Brown, Chief 29 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:30,479 of Detectives. 30 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:31,479 Speaker 7: My name is Friday. 31 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 5: I was on the way back from dinner and it 32 00:02:33,439 --> 00:02:35,360 was nine fifty seven pm when I got back to 33 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,280 the City Hall Room forty two pharmacide detail. 34 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: All right, make it in time. 35 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,159 Speaker 7: No, they were closed up. 36 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: It's too bad. 37 00:02:42,039 --> 00:02:44,479 Speaker 7: Why Gee cafeteria down the street. 38 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 3: I was terrible, nothing at all. 39 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:47,039 Speaker 6: Huh Well, I figured. 40 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 5: I'd be safe for the corn beef hash even that 41 00:02:48,719 --> 00:02:52,120 wasn't much soggy, you know, probably standing all day. 42 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: It's too bad. 43 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 8: I asked Johnny if you'd stay open a couple of 44 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:56,479 minutes late, told him you were coming right over. 45 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,439 Speaker 6: The place was closed tight. When I got there, I 46 00:02:58,479 --> 00:02:59,360 couldn't raise anybody. 47 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 8: Sharp lives a really good tonight. Some great pie too, 48 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:04,199 boys and berry best I had anyway for them. 49 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 7: Say you got any of those bike car pills in 50 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:08,599 your locker? I can sure you use one. 51 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 8: I'm afraid not. You had the last one to Jeane 52 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,120 Bechdel tonight. He hit at the cafeteria too. I hi, 53 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:19,479 say any phone calls for me? Murial downstairs office called 54 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,120 run you asked for They got it ready. 55 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,759 Speaker 6: It was the only call. Yeah, what is it else? 56 00:03:24,759 --> 00:03:25,840 I'm wrong? Oh? 57 00:03:26,159 --> 00:03:28,039 Speaker 7: You've been moping around like you lost your best friend. 58 00:03:28,039 --> 00:03:29,400 What's the matter? You man at the world? 59 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 6: No, just my young loss. Wife had her father and 60 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,439 mother over for lunch today. The old man's getting to 61 00:03:33,439 --> 00:03:35,240 be a real pain in the neck. Don't get along 62 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,159 with him, uh, I keep trying to. Doesn't seem to 63 00:03:37,199 --> 00:03:38,800 do much good. All he can think of his money. 64 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,400 It's all he can talk about while. 65 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,039 Speaker 8: Let it boy, you my in law has been talking 66 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:43,759 about it for years, forgetting you won't let you. 67 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 6: And then he puts his foot inside the front door. 68 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,039 It's the first thing you hear. Crusty old guy, that pipe. 69 00:03:48,039 --> 00:03:49,319 He smokes enough to knock you over. 70 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,039 Speaker 7: Why don't you duck out when they come over? Tell 71 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,319 him you got a call. You have to go to work. 72 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,439 Speaker 6: The wife sounded that once. She makes me hang around, 73 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,680 keeps telling me your father and mother like me. You 74 00:03:56,759 --> 00:03:58,439 never know what. The old guy's a real tyrant. 75 00:03:58,960 --> 00:03:59,199 Speaker 2: See. 76 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 6: The wife comes from a big family. Every time I 77 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,639 see her, old man he has to make a point 78 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:04,400 of telling me how smart as other sons in law? 79 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:07,960 How much doll I'm making? Yeah, see yeah, same routine. 80 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,319 Every time one of his daughter's married a carpenter, he's 81 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,599 making twenty dollars a day. When I'm married a hot carrier, 82 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:15,400 he's making twenty five dollars a day. Always ends up 83 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:16,360 asking me how much I'm making. 84 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,959 Speaker 3: Why don't you tell himuch? Some of his business I 85 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:18,480 did today? 86 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 6: That's what started the argument. I walked out, crusty old guy. 87 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:22,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I got it. 88 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 6: Homicide fiddy, yes, black? 89 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,959 Speaker 7: Would you repeat yes, sir, I have it fine, thank you? 90 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:34,399 Speaker 9: Yes? 91 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 7: Or right away? Shooting Kirkman near l Pine. 92 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 6: Let me grab my coat. 93 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 5: Nos Man down on the sidewalk, apparently hurt. Bad neighbor 94 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,279 said it was a family fight. Tomorrow we better hustle 95 00:04:44,319 --> 00:04:44,560 it out. 96 00:04:44,639 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 6: Let's go. That's one good thing about this job. 97 00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 7: What do you mean trouble? 98 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 6: You don't know what it is to hear about other. 99 00:04:52,959 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 5: People's Sergeant al Shambra and I go out to the scene, 100 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,120 of the shooting Code three. 101 00:05:01,959 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 7: Red light and siren. 102 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,519 Speaker 5: We located the victim lying on the sidewalk approximately fifty 103 00:05:06,519 --> 00:05:09,399 feet from the intersection of Kirkland Avenue and Alpine Street. 104 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,839 He was a dark haired man, looked to be in 105 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:15,399 his early forties, tan complexion, well built. He'd been shot 106 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,079 several times in the chest, once in the shoulder. He 107 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,360 appeared to be unconscious. A handful of curious neighbors were 108 00:05:21,399 --> 00:05:24,399 standing by. One of them, a short, bawling man, identified 109 00:05:24,439 --> 00:05:26,720 himself as Ernest. Quickly, he said he was the victim's 110 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:27,480 next door neighbor. 111 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 3: What's man's name, mister Whitley? 112 00:05:29,519 --> 00:05:31,639 Speaker 6: Wally Radford lives right next door to me, been my 113 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:32,319 neighbor for years. 114 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: Where do you live? 115 00:05:33,399 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 6: This apartment court right here? I live in the cottage 116 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,879 next to the end when they're number eight, while he 117 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,120 lives at number nine one, right in the end they're 118 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:40,519 facing this. 119 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 7: Yeah. What do you know about the shooting, mister Whitley? 120 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,199 Speaker 6: Well, I didn't have anything to do with it. I 121 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,839 was watching television with a wife. I heard the shots outside. 122 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:48,759 You can ask the wife. 123 00:05:48,759 --> 00:05:51,639 Speaker 7: Sh'll tell you you heard the shots outside of Radford's cottage. 124 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:54,879 Speaker 6: Right, yeah, that's right. Where's that was to come? 125 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 3: They've been notified there on the way. 126 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,319 Speaker 7: Well, who did the shooting, Whitley, would you know that? 127 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 6: Well, not for sure. We were watching television, like I said, 128 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,959 when I heard the shots, wife and I. At first 129 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,240 I heard the shots, and then I heard somebody yell. 130 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:08,120 I thought it was some high school kids in a 131 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,759 hot rod or something, you know, horse around outside. My 132 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,600 wife told me to get up and take a look anyway, 133 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:13,079 so I did. 134 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:14,879 Speaker 7: On the way to the door, I. 135 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 6: Heard another shot, and then somebody yelled out again like 136 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,120 they were hurt. Must have been six or seven shots anyway. 137 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:22,399 Just as I opened the door, I saw Wally go 138 00:06:22,519 --> 00:06:24,639 running fast. I didn't know what was coming off. He 139 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,639 ran right out toward the street here weaving back and forth. 140 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,720 Looked like it had a couple of drinks. I didn't 141 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:30,240 know what it was. 142 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: You didn't see the actual shooting. You didn't see anyone 143 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:33,000 with a gun? 144 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 6: Oh No, The only one I saw was Wally. He 145 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,920 ran right by me, holding his hands up to his chest. 146 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,839 I yelled to him, but he didn't stop. I didn't 147 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,959 know if he was drunk or what. When he got 148 00:06:42,959 --> 00:06:44,639 out here to the sidewalk. I saw him fall down. 149 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,040 I went after him. It's terrible, say either one. You 150 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:52,319 got to smoke. Yeah, look I'm still shaking like a leaf. 151 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:56,199 There you go, swell, thank you. 152 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 7: All the life. 153 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, please, you're welcome. 154 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 7: Was Radford still conscious when you reached him, you. 155 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 6: Know, just about? Yeah? I don't know how many times 156 00:07:09,519 --> 00:07:11,279 he was shot. He was rolling around on the ground. 157 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:13,600 Pain was terrible. The whole front of his shirt was 158 00:07:13,639 --> 00:07:16,199 all stained. I yelled to Mike Desmond, one of the 159 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:19,079 other neighbors. He called you, fellas good Redford, saying anything 160 00:07:19,079 --> 00:07:21,439 to you how it happened. We kept moaning about the pain. 161 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,199 That made me sick. It was a relief when he 162 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:24,720 passed out. 163 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 7: Did he tell you how it happened? 164 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,759 Speaker 6: Yeah? His wife. I figured that was it when I 165 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:29,720 saw it was wrong with him. 166 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:31,079 Speaker 7: He told you his wife shot him. 167 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 6: Oh, they had a big fight today. Wiley and his 168 00:07:32,839 --> 00:07:35,759 wife started this afternoon. Been going on all day, all night, 169 00:07:35,839 --> 00:07:39,519 yelling at each other, throwing things around. I never expected this, though. 170 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,680 Something must to snapped. She must be out of her mind. 171 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:42,600 Where's his wife now? 172 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 7: I don't know. 173 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 6: It's still back in their cottage. I guess I've been 174 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,279 here since the shooting. I didn't see her leave. 175 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:46,959 Speaker 9: Joe. 176 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,519 Speaker 6: Yeah, we got our hands full. 177 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 7: Now. 178 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:50,439 Speaker 6: What he done was talking one of the neighbor women 179 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,160 back in the court here, she said to missus Radford 180 00:07:52,199 --> 00:07:54,519 wanted her about five minutes ago, identified herself as the 181 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,079 victim's wife, Cottage number nine, mus Radford went with a 182 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:58,959 neighborhood and she said she was giving fair warnings. She 183 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,079 wanted to pass the world. What do you mean, She's 184 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,199 going to kill anybody that comes. 185 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 5: After ten twenty eight pm, the ambulance arrived and the 186 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:12,720 attendants administered first aid to the victim of the shooting, 187 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:15,959 Wallace Radford, before he was rushed to Georgia Street Receiving 188 00:08:15,959 --> 00:08:19,279 Hospital for further treatment. Radford regained consciousness long enough to 189 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:21,519 confirm the fact that it was his wife who shot him. 190 00:08:21,959 --> 00:08:23,439 That was about all he could tell us before the 191 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,199 sedatives took effect. The two officers and two of the 192 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:28,680 radio cars which were standing by, were detailed to keep 193 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,800 the crowd away from the apartment court where the shooting 194 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,159 took place, in particular Cottage nine, where the Radfords lived. 195 00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:36,360 The blinds were drawn in the house. There were no 196 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,440 lights showing. We called the Radford cottage on the poem, 197 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,159 but there was no answer. Al Shambra and Ed circled 198 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:43,679 around and back for a closer. 199 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 7: Look at the place. 200 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 5: I continued interviewing the Radford's next door neighbor, Ernest Quidley. 201 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,159 Speaker 6: I guess I should have known it had come to 202 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:52,720 this someday. We'd have been fighting lately. Wally and his 203 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:55,360 wife have been there nothing but wrangling day and they. 204 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 7: Were You any idea where missus Radford got the gun. 205 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 6: She must have used Wally's. I guess don't know where 206 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:00,720 else she gets her hands on one. 207 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 7: He keeps a gun in the house, does he? 208 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, as long as they've known to me. It's thirty 209 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,759 eight automatic. I don't know to make them? 210 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 7: Do you happen to know if Missus Radford was used 211 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:08,320 to handling the gun? 212 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 6: No, a typical woman. I remember Wally and Stella were 213 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:12,279 over for cards one night. 214 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 7: Stella, that's missus Radford. 215 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,039 Speaker 6: I don't know how it came up, but Wally and 216 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,360 Stella started arguing about him keeping a gun in the house. 217 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,480 Stella didn't like it a bit, said she was afraid 218 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,279 of guns, didn't even like to have him around. That 219 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:24,960 surprise you even knew how to pull a trigger. 220 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 7: You said, the Radford's had a big fight today. What 221 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:27,559 was it about? 222 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,159 Speaker 6: You had to know single thing. I guess Stella was 223 00:09:30,159 --> 00:09:33,000 always accusing Wally a running around with other women, run 224 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,799 around town drinking. As far as I know, it wasn't true. 225 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,240 Matter of fact, it was just the opposite. If anybody 226 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:40,080 was on the town, it was Stella. I have at 227 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,000 least one guy she was making eyes at. Oh, she's 228 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:43,399 your friends. 229 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 7: Why what to look like? 230 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,639 Speaker 3: Not good? House is pitch dark? An't there anyone moving 231 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:47,240 around inside? 232 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 6: It won't be easy to get out of that shoe. 233 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:49,879 The way the cottage is situated. 234 00:09:49,919 --> 00:09:50,759 Speaker 7: Wow, what's the problem? 235 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 6: The rere of the housebacks up against that hill. There 236 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:54,480 there was a small space between the end of the 237 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,480 house and the hill, and no back door. Just windows. 238 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:57,720 One of them's open a few inches. 239 00:09:57,759 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 7: I mean, the front door is the only way in 240 00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:59,279 the place. 241 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,039 Speaker 3: I on the left the house or left hand side. 242 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 6: That's a kitchen door. Sorry, at least right in the kitchen, 243 00:10:04,519 --> 00:10:06,399 just like our place. All the cottages laid out. 244 00:10:06,279 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 7: The same living rooms just inside the front door. They know, Yeah, 245 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:08,919 that's right. 246 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 6: Bedroom's in the right rear kitchen and the left rear 247 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,480 a small bathroom leading off the bedroom. 248 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 7: Least the left. 249 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,159 Speaker 6: She won't come out peasibly. How about a two guys 250 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:17,159 show that ought to bring her up? 251 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 7: Well, I don't know if we'll need today. I might 252 00:10:18,639 --> 00:10:19,399 be a waste of time. 253 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,919 Speaker 5: Whitley here was just telling you, missus, Radford isn't familiar 254 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,159 with guns. Do you think you know how to reload 255 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:24,879 the automatically? 256 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,519 Speaker 6: No, sir, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't. I don't even 257 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,679 know if Wally had another clip of shells around the house. 258 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:31,440 Even if you did, Stella wouldn't know. 259 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 7: What to do with it. 260 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 8: How about to clip the s all ready thing? On 261 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,200 the chance you got a couple of shells left. 262 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 6: She fired more than half a dozen of them. I 263 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,799 know that she must have gone crazy. They were at 264 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,279 least seven or eight shots just about empty in the gun. 265 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:42,159 Speaker 7: How about it? 266 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,879 Speaker 5: You want to try rushing the place, Let's go kide 267 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,039 me all right. You better stay out here for the 268 00:10:46,039 --> 00:10:48,000 time being, mister Whitley might be some shooting. You know 269 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:49,120 that you'd take any chances? 270 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 7: Yes, for sure. 271 00:10:49,879 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 6: Okay, So I'll be right back here if you want. 272 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,519 Speaker 7: Thank you very much, all right? Let's try it. 273 00:10:55,879 --> 00:10:56,759 Speaker 3: How do you want to handle it? 274 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 6: Why don't you and I'll take the side door. I'll 275 00:10:59,039 --> 00:11:00,799 go in the front. I want to see if we 276 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:01,879 get a rise out of her first. 277 00:11:02,159 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, I might be sure to give it up without 278 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,480 a fight. I'll call out to her a couple of 279 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,480 times first. If there's no answer, we'll rush the place. 280 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 6: Okay, now, let's. 281 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,279 Speaker 7: Make it all together. I just wait for a signal. 282 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:15,919 Speaker 8: I'll call it aut right, okay, all right, sid, I'll 283 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,919 do it just behind the shrub over there. There's a 284 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:18,799 little time to get around. 285 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 7: Huh. Yeah. 286 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 5: Know when I call out to rush, make it fast. 287 00:11:21,519 --> 00:11:23,039 It's the only thing we've got in our favor. We'll 288 00:11:23,039 --> 00:11:25,279 try and surprise you, right, say you'll have bab be careful. 289 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,159 Speaker 7: That's Radford. There's Ratford. 290 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 9: Can you hear me? 291 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 7: Police officers got your place around it. I want you 292 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,360 to come out, can you hear me? 293 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 10: Miss Radford? We want you to come out, Miss Radford? 294 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:56,200 All right, let's go hit the door, go Joey? 295 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 9: All right? 296 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,799 Speaker 7: Yeah? What about you and the kick and tempty? Okay, 297 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,600 just a minute? Living room's efty? 298 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: Not in here? 299 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 7: Add in the bedroom? 300 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 3: Nothing hair? Yeah, how about that? They go back, here 301 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:07,360 are you bedroom? Straight back? 302 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,639 Speaker 7: All right, have a look when you check the bathroom. 303 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:12,919 Speaker 3: In all the closet, everything, she's gone. 304 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,039 Speaker 5: Ten forty six pm we double checked the cottage, all 305 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,080 the buildings and possible hiding places adjoining the Radford house, 306 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,200 and then we combed through the immediate neighborhood around the 307 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,759 apartment court. There was no trace of a suspect Stella Radford. 308 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,840 In the apartment. We found a picture which neighbors told 309 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:33,840 us was a good likeness of missus Radford. Al Shambra 310 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,879 got to a phone called the office and a local 311 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,679 broadcast and an APB was gotten out on her. We 312 00:12:38,759 --> 00:12:41,000 figured she probably slipped out of the house without being 313 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,879 noticed during the general excitement immediately after the shooting. Her 314 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,120 phone called at one of the neighbors warning that she'd 315 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,759 kill anyone who came after her. Only served as a 316 00:12:49,799 --> 00:12:52,759 stall to give her more time for a getaway. Ten 317 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:55,639 fifty five pm, Ray Pinker and the crime lab crew 318 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,840 arrived and began their preliminary investigation. Judging from the bloodstains 319 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:01,639 out on the furniture, in the rug, in the living 320 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,080 room and on the front steps of the cottage, Radford 321 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,039 had first been shot while he was in the living room, 322 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,240 and then apparently he ran out the front door to 323 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,320 escape the gunfire. 324 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 7: A trail of seven empty shells. 325 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 5: Ejected from a thirty eight caliber automatic seemed to indicate 326 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,759 that his wife followed him out the front door, still 327 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:19,279 firing at him as he tried to get away. We 328 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,919 checked the apartment court garage, but the Radford's car was 329 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,919 still there. We remained at the apartment court interviewing the 330 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,960 neighbors and trying to get a line on some of 331 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,080 Missus Radford's known friends and associates. 332 00:13:30,399 --> 00:13:33,159 Speaker 6: Joe, how'd you make a much ol neighbor I talked. 333 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,759 Speaker 7: To, hardly even knew the Radford's How about. 334 00:13:34,519 --> 00:13:36,399 Speaker 6: You that much better? You're in the apartment up the 335 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,720 way named Joanne Taylor. She told me she knew Radford's 336 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,799 wife fairly well. Says she has a sister in town. 337 00:13:40,799 --> 00:13:42,159 Doesn't have any idea where she lives. 338 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 5: Though, how about the boyfriends Missus Radford' supposed to running 339 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:44,720 around with? 340 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:45,879 Speaker 7: Hearing anything about. 341 00:13:45,639 --> 00:13:47,279 Speaker 6: That, she thinks she was doing a little running around. 342 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,360 She doesn't know who the men are though. Hearing about 343 00:13:49,399 --> 00:13:51,720 Radford's condition, I checked with George's treat a couple of 344 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,519 minutes ago. It's pretty critical. I don't know if he's 345 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:54,200 going to make it her name. 346 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 8: Oh back here, hustler, come on, But he got Redford, 347 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,200 his neighbors next to Whitley's. Just got a call from 348 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,039 miss Radford. She's talking to mister Whitley on the phone 349 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:04,440 right now. 350 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 7: Let's go. I don't know what this is. 351 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:06,039 Speaker 11: What I was on? 352 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,399 Speaker 6: Oh yes, I was just gonna run and get you. 353 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:16,639 Speaker 7: You had missus Radford on the phone. 354 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 6: I did, Yeah, she hung up just before you came in. 355 00:14:19,039 --> 00:14:20,679 Speaker 3: Wouldn't talk though. Did you tell you where she is? 356 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:21,039 Speaker 5: No? 357 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 6: She sure sounded funny. I think something snatched. 358 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,519 Speaker 7: She's a little crazy or what she said? 359 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:25,039 Speaker 11: What she called? 360 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,519 Speaker 6: You said she wanted to find out if her no 361 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:28,639 good husband was dead. Yet that's all I could make A. 362 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 5: While ed and I waited with mister Whitley in his 363 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,799 apartment al shamber, got to another phone in one of 364 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,519 the adjoining apartments, called our business office and gave them 365 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:42,240 the number of the Whitley's telephone. He asked them to 366 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:44,759 make arrangements as soon as possible to have all incoming 367 00:14:44,879 --> 00:14:48,159 calls at the Whitley's trace to their origin meantime, Ed 368 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,919 and I were briefing Ernest Whitley as to what he 369 00:14:49,919 --> 00:14:52,639 should say if and when the suspect Stella Radford called 370 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,559 him back. There was no phone extension in his apartment, 371 00:14:55,679 --> 00:14:57,320 so the only way we'd be able to monitor the. 372 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,759 Speaker 7: Conversation would be for Whitley to share the receiver with. 373 00:14:59,799 --> 00:15:03,759 Speaker 5: One one of us were waiting eleven thirty pm, eleven 374 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,799 forty five midnight, twelve fifteen am. 375 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,039 Speaker 7: Sorry, all right, try and keep the receiver till then 376 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:11,679 so we can listen. 377 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,399 Speaker 5: Sure, hope, I got it straight? 378 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 11: Okay, Hello, I needed Stella. 379 00:15:17,279 --> 00:15:18,519 Speaker 9: Do you find out what I told you to? 380 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, I call the hospital. 381 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 7: While he's a lot better. 382 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 6: It's not as bad as they thought it was. What 383 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,000 do you mean it's not bad? 384 00:15:24,039 --> 00:15:24,759 Speaker 3: You're trying to kid me. 385 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 6: No, it's a truth. Still, it's not half bad at all. 386 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,039 While he's gonna be all right. 387 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 9: Couldn't I'm shot him four or five times? 388 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:30,879 Speaker 5: Ell? Could he be all right? 389 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 6: I didn't say he was all right. 390 00:15:32,039 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 7: I say he was going to be all right. 391 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 6: Look, it's nothing serious. It's not half as bad as 392 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:35,720 they thought. 393 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:37,159 Speaker 9: You're lying, you know you're lying. 394 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:38,919 Speaker 6: Let's come on, snap, out of it. Well you're still 395 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:39,840 it's going to be all right. 396 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,559 Speaker 7: Wal He forgives you, believe me, he does. 397 00:15:42,039 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 6: Now, look, why don't you come home. We'll get the 398 00:15:43,879 --> 00:15:45,639 whole thing straightened out. There won't be any trouble. 399 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 12: Why don't you trying to kid me? 400 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,039 Speaker 9: It's not going to be all right. 401 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 6: I've seen the last you and the last of Wallie. 402 00:15:50,279 --> 00:15:51,559 Speaker 11: Still, I'm with my boyfriend. 403 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 6: Now we're getting out of town. Now, wait a minute, Stelle, 404 00:15:53,679 --> 00:15:55,759 use your head. Huh. Don't go rushing in anything. Don't 405 00:15:55,799 --> 00:15:56,279 have to tell me. 406 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:57,039 Speaker 5: I know what I'm doing. 407 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 6: I don't care if that dumb husband of mine lived 408 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:00,440 or dies, but just. 409 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 9: Telling me better not try to follow it, Stell. 410 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 6: My boyfriend and ex he's got a gun and he 411 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,000 knows how to use it. Well, Stella, wall you listen 412 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:06,360 a minute. 413 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,639 Speaker 3: The cops too, in case they're going to follow us. 414 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 9: They try and stop it, and they're going. 415 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 6: To have a fight in there. Look, you keep talking. 416 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,120 When you listen for just a minute, where are you now, 417 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:15,519 let me come down and talk to you. 418 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 9: Not a chance, just be a waste of time. 419 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,519 Speaker 5: I'll leave it with my boyfriend in half an hour. 420 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:21,159 Speaker 7: You can tell I'll be done. 421 00:16:21,159 --> 00:16:23,559 Speaker 6: Wait a minute, Stelle. He gave me a message for you, Annie. 422 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:25,320 He left something with me. He wants you to have it. 423 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:26,720 What's wallet? 424 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:28,519 Speaker 7: He gave it to me just before he left for 425 00:16:28,559 --> 00:16:28,960 the hospital. 426 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 6: He got ninety four dollars in it, says he doesn't 427 00:16:31,039 --> 00:16:32,399 care what you think of He wants you to have 428 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:32,840 the money. 429 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:34,519 Speaker 7: Ninety four dollars. 430 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, he didn't have that much money with hi. 431 00:16:36,759 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 9: Where'd he get it? 432 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 6: Well, I don't know anything about that, but it's right 433 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:40,639 here in his wallet, just the way he gave it 434 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,080 to me. He wants you to have it, that's. 435 00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:42,279 Speaker 3: All I know. 436 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:43,039 Speaker 9: I don't get it. 437 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 4: He didn't have that much money. 438 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:45,759 Speaker 6: Well, what do you want me to do? Take it 439 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,840 back to him? Tell me you didn't want it. Look, 440 00:16:47,879 --> 00:16:49,639 give the guy a break, Hostelle. It's the only way 441 00:16:49,639 --> 00:16:52,960 he's got to show you how he feels about you, Stell. 442 00:16:54,039 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 3: Isn't that right? 443 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:56,519 Speaker 9: Well? 444 00:16:56,559 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 7: How about it, Stelle? 445 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 6: You got the money with you? I told you, yeah, 446 00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:02,600 pick it up anytime you want. No, you bring it 447 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:03,039 down here. 448 00:17:03,919 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 4: I'll put your camp there, buy your. 449 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:06,599 Speaker 12: Drinks if you meet my boyfriend. 450 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, Stelle, Stelle, Yeah, it's about twelve thirty out. 451 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 11: Be down here in half an hour. 452 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:17,039 Speaker 6: Huh, I'm in a bar right on the corner. 453 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 10: You can't miss it. 454 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 6: Well, what corner ninth and Avalon. 455 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 5: As soon as the suspect Stella Radford hung up, we 456 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,880 went to the apartment Cottie's next door, where al Shambra 457 00:17:28,039 --> 00:17:30,920 was on the phone in constant communication with our business office. 458 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,559 Speaker 7: He told us that somehow there's been a slip up. 459 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 5: They were unable to trace the call to its point 460 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:40,319 of origin twelve thirty six am. According to plan, Ernest 461 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,279 quickly left his apartment, called a taxi and headed downtown 462 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:44,440 to keep his appointment with a. 463 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 7: Suspect Stella Radford. 464 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,079 Speaker 5: Ed Jacobs and Lieutenant Tony Ruis from Homicide followed him. 465 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:52,160 Al shamber and I stood by at the apartment more 466 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,559 waiting one am one point thirty two am. 467 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,799 Speaker 6: I think they'd call us anyway. I wonder what the 468 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,519 hitch is. It's kind of hard to figure out, steer. 469 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 7: They ran into some kind of. 470 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 6: Trouble, made missus Radford. She really warmed up for the 471 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:04,880 idea when the money was mentioned. 472 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,559 Speaker 7: Apparently, yeah, I was listening in. 473 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 5: When Whitley gave her the story, she seemed to go 474 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,440 for it's kind of hard to tell the way this 475 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:11,319 whole thing shaped up. 476 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 6: She might be them. Now give a look. 477 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:20,799 Speaker 7: Than Joe, Oh yeah, what happened? How to go? 478 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 8: We covered the bottle of clothing. Priz neighborhood gave a 479 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,599 funny of time. Yeah, no, lock, she didn't show. 480 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,519 Speaker 4: You are listening to Drag Meet Authentic stories of your 481 00:18:39,599 --> 00:18:40,559 police force and action. 482 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 5: Friday, January twenty first to twenty eight am, with the 483 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,000 failure of the suspect, Stella Radford to keep the date 484 00:18:54,039 --> 00:18:56,359 with her next door neighbor Ernest Quidley at the Avalon 485 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,440 Boulevard bar, we reached a temporary stalemate. Despite the fact 486 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,880 that checks were made at all restaurants, bars, and other 487 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,640 business places in the vicinity. 488 00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:06,759 Speaker 7: Of Ninth and Avalon opened that time of night, there 489 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,640 was no report or trace of the suspect. 490 00:19:09,319 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 5: While the search continued, we stood by at the Whitley 491 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,400 apartment in the hope that missus Radford might call back. 492 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,839 A check of our records and Identification Bureau failed to 493 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:19,240 turn up any record on either the. 494 00:19:19,279 --> 00:19:20,279 Speaker 7: Victim or the suspect. 495 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 5: His wife ed called Georgia Street Receiving Hospital again, but 496 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:24,640 there was no change. 497 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 7: Wallace Radford's condition was still critical. 498 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,839 Speaker 5: At two thirty five a m. Stella Radford telephoned again. 499 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,720 While we listened in. She told Whitley that she'd had 500 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:35,799 no intention of keeping that appointment with him at the 501 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:38,599 Avalon Boulevard bar. She told him that she knew he 502 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,960 was working with the police, that she saw officers follow 503 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:41,880 Whitley to the bar. 504 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:43,279 Speaker 7: Where they were supposed to have met. 505 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,079 Speaker 5: She again warned him of the consequences in the event 506 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,440 anybody tried to apprehend her. After she hung up, we 507 00:19:49,559 --> 00:19:51,200 checked with the business office and they told us that 508 00:19:51,279 --> 00:19:53,480 the calls had been coming from a telephone prefix which 509 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:57,079 was impossible to trace. Ten minutes later, Whitley got another 510 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,759 call from the Radford woman. The conversation went on for 511 00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:02,400 the better part of twenty minutes. She didn't seem to 512 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,559 make much rhyme or reason. Her only concern was the 513 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:06,079 condition of her husband, whether or. 514 00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 7: Not he was dead. She hung up abruptly, but fifteen 515 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,000 minutes later she called Whitley again. 516 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 6: Look, Stelle, I told you there isn't gonna be any 517 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,359 trouble now. Why don't you go and see Wally lying 518 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,960 down there in the hospital. He wants to see you. 519 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:19,039 How about it, Hostell? If he did or not, that's 520 00:20:19,079 --> 00:20:19,680 all I want to know. 521 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 7: My boyfriend and I are leave the first thing in 522 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:22,039 the morning. 523 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 9: I want to find out before. 524 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 6: Why don't you at least give me a chance to 525 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,279 talk to you? Estelle? Huh, we've been good friends. 526 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 7: You know. 527 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 6: I wouldn't do anything to hurt you. 528 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 7: You are Wally. 529 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 6: Now let me talk to you. Hunh there's nothing to 530 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:30,440 talk about. 531 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,279 Speaker 1: They got any say to tell me now. 532 00:20:32,319 --> 00:20:33,319 Speaker 5: All I want to do is out. 533 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 6: I want to told you he's hurt, but he's going 534 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,480 to be all right. It's not serious, Stelle. 535 00:20:39,599 --> 00:20:41,039 Speaker 9: Why don't you shove blind to me? 536 00:20:41,319 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 6: But I'm not lying, Stelle. I wouldn't lie about something 537 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:46,200 like that. What's the matter with you anyway? You've been drinking? 538 00:20:46,319 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 9: What's it your business? 539 00:20:47,599 --> 00:20:49,839 Speaker 6: You're not getting me, Ornie. You're trying to help the cup? 540 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 12: Don't you think I know that? 541 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,079 Speaker 9: What kind of a pool you think I am? 542 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,799 Speaker 6: I'm trying to help, Stelle, that's all you're You're kind of. 543 00:20:54,839 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 9: Help, not me, though, you're kind of help the coup. 544 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,359 I know they're weakened, but we. 545 00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 7: Made that day to meet at the bar. 546 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 5: You total all about it. 547 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 6: No, No, you got it wrong, honey. I'm trying to 548 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,640 help both it and you and Wally. I'm trying to 549 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,799 help the best way I know how. Why don't you 550 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,079 come home? I told you straighten the whole thing out. 551 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:11,880 There won't be any trouble. 552 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 9: Don't have me that I said. 553 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,799 Speaker 6: We're leaving count me and my boyfriend. 554 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 9: What about that money? 555 00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 4: Nine? 556 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's ready, diners. Now, how can I get it 557 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,160 to you? If you don't trust me, get. 558 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:22,799 Speaker 4: Away from the cops. 559 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,279 Speaker 6: Maybe I could use the money, but I'm not giving myself. Look, 560 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:28,319 you're wrong about the cops. Still believe me? 561 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:28,559 Speaker 9: You are? 562 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 6: Now, why won't you let me meet you someplace? Any 563 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:31,759 place you want? Just let me talk to you. 564 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 5: I have to tell you that not to talk about. 565 00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 6: All I want to do is about Wally. 566 00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 9: Is he did yet? 567 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 6: But I told you he's not dead. He's going to 568 00:21:38,759 --> 00:21:41,799 be all right. Why can't you believe me? It's not 569 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:42,519 what they thought. 570 00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:45,039 Speaker 7: Whial, He'll be okay in the next room. 571 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,079 Speaker 6: But what Forest Dell? Why not come on snap out 572 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:49,200 of it. 573 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:50,279 Speaker 3: Huh No, it's the. 574 00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:51,039 Speaker 6: Truth, So help me. 575 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my It just happened to strike me. 576 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,279 Speaker 7: You hear that street card. 577 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,319 Speaker 5: It just went by a minute ago. 578 00:21:57,599 --> 00:21:58,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did. 579 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,039 Speaker 6: Why did you know this? 580 00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:01,039 Speaker 5: A little before that we were listening on the phone. 581 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,000 Sounded like the same thing coming over the line, didn't it. 582 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,319 Speaker 8: Yeah, come to think of it, it did. Matter of fact, 583 00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:06,839 I heard it a couple of times coming over the phone. 584 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:07,519 Was pretty regular. 585 00:22:07,599 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 7: Now, that's what I mean. 586 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 5: Street cars have been passing by here regularly too. Not 587 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,440 much of a time laps either, not much more in 588 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,039 a minute. Well, I mean between the time when we 589 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,559 hear it over the phone and the time the street 590 00:22:17,559 --> 00:22:18,720 car actually passes this place. 591 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 6: Yeah. 592 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,799 Speaker 5: Well, if we've got the right angle, there's only one 593 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:24,759 way to figure here. She's phoning from somewhere in the neighborhood, 594 00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:26,319 and she's fairly close with and she saying, where do 595 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:32,680 we start looking? Car tracks only run two ways. Three 596 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,960 thirty am ed and I went back into the next 597 00:22:35,079 --> 00:22:37,799 room and continue to monitor the conversation between Whitley and 598 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,519 missus Radford. Whitley seemed to know how to keep the 599 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:43,400 suspect talking, even though the purpose of her conversation seemed 600 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,599 to make little or no sense. At three forty two am, 601 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:49,359 while we listened in on the other end of the line. 602 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,880 We again heard the sound of a. 603 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,759 Speaker 6: Street car approach and pass Ed checked his watch. 604 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 5: Approximately one minute thirty eight seconds later, we heard a 605 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,319 streetcar pass by in front of the apartment court. Before 606 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,119 Ed and I left, we gotted down a note for 607 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,799 Whickley asking him to keep missus Radford on the line just. 608 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 7: As long as possible. We got in the car and 609 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:09,640 drove north along the car tracks at about the normal 610 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:10,559 speed of a street car. 611 00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:13,599 Speaker 5: One minute and thirty eight seconds of driving brought us 612 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,240 a distance of little more than eight blocks. Was on 613 00:23:16,319 --> 00:23:18,519 the fringe of a park area. There were only three 614 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:21,599 residential buildings in the immediate vicinity. There were no lights 615 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:24,039 showing in any of them. We checked the location for 616 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,319 public telephones, but we found none. Four or fifteen am, 617 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,720 we turned around, drove back to the apartment court. 618 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,559 Speaker 7: And, using the same timing procedure one minute thirty. 619 00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 5: Eight seconds of twenty five miles an hour, we drove 620 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,720 along the car line in a southerly direction. 621 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 8: Shot how much of a choice Barser closed most of 622 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,839 the restaurants. No light's running on this block? 623 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 7: Few up ahead, then the next block. 624 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: ED, gotta come pretty soon, doesn't it? 625 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 7: Yeah? It's a minute right now. I can't see how 626 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:50,559 we be wronging it? 627 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,319 Speaker 3: Can you too much to rite off? Is just a coincidence? 628 00:23:54,160 --> 00:24:00,319 Speaker 7: A minute? Fifteen seconds? Minute twenty better? Slow down? Yeah? 629 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:02,799 Speaker 3: What do you think? 630 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:05,559 Speaker 7: There's a service station across the street and it's. 631 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 6: Closed up with a lot of them have outside payphers. 632 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,799 Speaker 7: Don't think you see any No? 633 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 3: None on this side? Say I'll pull up in there. 634 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,799 Speaker 7: Huh Yeah, there's the phone los in the back there. 635 00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:18,559 There's no light though, looks. 636 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:22,319 Speaker 3: Like somebody in it. Looks like a woman yet is 637 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,640 come in? All right, hold it up, lady, he's running 638 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:27,039 for Joe. 639 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 7: All right, come on, come on, hold it up, lady. 640 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 6: Police office, they go, they go, me, what do you 641 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:31,680 think you're doing? 642 00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 7: Poice officer's lady? Here's our identification? Like talk to you? 643 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,079 Speaker 6: You leave me alone. Just leave me alone, that's all. 644 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 12: I don't have to talk to you. 645 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 3: And name still a Radford? Isn't it? 646 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 7: No? 647 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,599 Speaker 3: No, it isn't that's your identification? 648 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 6: Who sent you here? 649 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 11: Who was it? 650 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 7: Are you still a Radford? 651 00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 6: Who couldn't have found out? 652 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:44,839 Speaker 12: How'd you know I was here? 653 00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 5: It was on hee? 654 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 8: Wasn't it him? 655 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 2: And his friends? 656 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 6: He told you. No, man, I don't see how you 657 00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:51,799 found me. Somebody had to tell you. You never could 658 00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:53,960 have found me. I don't see how I made any mistake. 659 00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:55,799 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. Let's go, lady. 660 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true. The names 661 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,200 were changed to protect the innocent. 662 00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 4: On April sixteenth, trial was held in Superior Court, Department 663 00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:19,519 eighty eight, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. 664 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 6: In a moment the results of that trial. 665 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,599 Speaker 4: The victim of the shooting, Wallace John Radford, recovered from 666 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,799 his wounds and refused to press charges against his wife. However, 667 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,200 she was tried in Superior Court and found guilty of 668 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:40,759 Section two forty five PC Assault. 669 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 3: With a deadly weapon. 670 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 4: She was sentenced to the term prescribed by law assault 671 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,160 with a deadly weapon as punishable by imprisonment in the 672 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,240 state penitentiary for a term not less than one nor 673 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,400 more than ten years. 674 00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:56,799 Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Mister Joseph M. Kennick, President of the 675 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,279 California State Juvenile Officers Association, thank you. California State Juvenile 676 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:05,119 Officers Association has asked me to present this award of 677 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,599 merit to Jack Webb and to Dragnet for outstanding service 678 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,359 to law enforcement in the authentic and sympathetic portrayal of 679 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,200 the police officer in the field of delinquency control. 680 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,599 Speaker 5: Thank you very much, mister Kenney, and I'll be looking 681 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,440 forward to meeting you again and the members of your 682 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,200 association at your annual conference banquet tomorrow night. 683 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:34,599 Speaker 7: Here in Los Angeles, you have just. 684 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,039 Speaker 4: Heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases from official files. 685 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,920 Technical advice comes from the Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker, 686 00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:46,440 Los Angeles Police Department Technical Advisors, Captain Jack Donaho, Sergeant 687 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,599 Marty Wynn, Sergeant Vance Bracer. Heard tonight where Barney Phillips, Herbellus, 688 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,599 Jack Pruschan, Helen Cleave, script by Jim Mozy, music by 689 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,039 Walter Schumann, Hell Gibney speaking. 690 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 7: Ladies and gentlemen. 691 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,559 Speaker 2: Nature plus the threat of man made catastrophes make continuing 692 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,480 health and constant preparedness necessary. The Red Cross binds these needs. 693 00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:21,839 Answer the Red Cross calls with a generous contribution. 694 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 6: No, it's cod Spy on NBC. 695 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back. That cafeteria at the beginning is a menace 696 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,240 to public safety. Given how many police officers it was 697 00:27:56,319 --> 00:28:00,119 a flecting a nice clue and bit of detective of 698 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,799 work that could have worked in a fictional story. For 699 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,960 the first time listening to this, I did question the 700 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,839 method because it seemed to me that on a very 701 00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:18,079 basic level, you could have had one of the two 702 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:25,200 detectives outside monitoring street car traffic in the area, so 703 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,680 when the other one heard the streak car going by 704 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,440 after they'd heard it on the phone, the detective was 705 00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:38,799 outside would know which exact direction to go, rather than 706 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,640 having to backtrack back and forth, which required keeping the 707 00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:47,680 suspect on the line longer. Now, it could be a 708 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:54,359 change that was done for dramatic effect because it's a 709 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,000 little bit more tense, or it could be that the 710 00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:01,400 real life officers didn't think think of that. To be fair, 711 00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:05,880 this is at least my third time hearing this particular episode, 712 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,400 and I think this is the first time it's occurred 713 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,000 to me, and I was not under the influence of 714 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:17,359 the cafeterious food. Episode also has another important point at 715 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,240 the end where the husband, mister Radford, decides not to 716 00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:27,400 press charges. Nevertheless, charges are brought, and this brings home 717 00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:31,839 an important point where sometimes we can get misled by 718 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:38,160 fictional crime programs and get the idea that a victim's 719 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,920 decision to press charges or not determinative of whether a 720 00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:48,200 prosecution will occur. That's just not the case. It is 721 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,279 usually the decision of the state as to whether they're 722 00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,440 going to prosecute, although that does vary a little bit 723 00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:01,480 by jurisdiction in some cases. Just as a practical matter 724 00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:07,039 without a complaining witness, there are various crimes that are 725 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,880 just very hard to prove, and this is true certainly 726 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:15,680 of many domestic violence prosecutions. There are also some minor 727 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:20,000 crimes where a prosecutor might give weight to a victim's 728 00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:27,160 request that prosecution not be pursued. Prosecutorial discretion can indicate 729 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:32,759 that it's just not wise to bring a prosecution involved 730 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:40,200 the correctional system in a minor situation that the parties 731 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,119 have come to an understanding one. But then there are 732 00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:48,759 cases that are going to be prosecuted regardless of what 733 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,319 the victim said. It's wonderful the husband's choosing to be 734 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,720 a sport and not prosecute, but honestly, the police don't 735 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,359 need him to give evidence. They've got the gun she fired, 736 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:05,640 and likely they were able to run a paraffine test 737 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,359 and he ended up in the hospital in critical condition. 738 00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:13,680 This is a serious crime. It's not something that you 739 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:19,200 can allow in society without consequence, so it's totally they 740 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:24,680 believable that they would go ahead and prosecute despite the husband. 741 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,119 Speaker 7: Not wanting it. 742 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: Now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day. 743 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:34,160 Thank you to Rochelle, Patreon supporter since April, currently supporting 744 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,160 the podcast at the Detective Sergeant level of seven dollars 745 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,519 and fourteen cents or more per month. Thanks so much 746 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,880 for your support, Roastale, And that will do it for today. 747 00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:47,480 If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow us using your 748 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,119 favorite podcast software and be sure to rate and review 749 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,960 the podcast wherever you download it from. We'll be back 750 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:58,480 next Thursday with another episode of Dragnet, but join us 751 00:31:58,559 --> 00:31:59,880 back here tomorrow. 752 00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:00,039 Speaker 7: For your. 753 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,319 Speaker 9: This is Al Turner, a New Britain mutual. 754 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 11: Hi. Oh, what goes with you these days? 755 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 9: Johnny? One of our important clients is very anxious to 756 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,240 get in touch with you. Says that she's an old 757 00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:12,960 friend of yours. 758 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:13,599 Speaker 12: Oh who is that? 759 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 9: Her name is missus Virginia Haskell. 760 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 12: Virginia Haskell, that's right? Uh, sorry, Al, but I'm afraid 761 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,079 I never heard of her before she. 762 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 9: Got married about a year ago. Her name was Van 763 00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:26,880 Doran Ginney. 764 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 11: Van dorn Is. 765 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:31,039 Speaker 12: Oh well, now that's something else again, and I mean 766 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,920 something well, then you do know her. 767 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 7: One of the most. 768 00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 12: Delightful bits of feminine polker tude I ever ran up against. 769 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,000 Believe me, a young man's fancy didn't have to wait 770 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:40,400 for spring to turn the thoughts of her. 771 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:41,799 Speaker 9: Now what does that mean? 772 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 11: Oh? 773 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 7: Ah? 774 00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 11: Even I had serious ideas about that gallop one time. 775 00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:48,839 Speaker 12: Oh yeah, right after college. Isn't every kid of that 776 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,240 agent trigued by the idea of marrying into a fortune. 777 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,440 And very beautiful at least she was when I know her. 778 00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 9: Still is Johnny. 779 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,359 Speaker 11: So she's married to somebody by the name of Haskell. 780 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,279 Speaker 9: Huh, Gorton Haskell. They live on Birchbrook Road down in Bronxville, 781 00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:03,759 New York. 782 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 12: Funny, what well when I knew her, that blonde charmer 783 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,839 didn't have eyes for anybody but Paul Snowden. Who's Paul 784 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,079 Snowdon child? What sweetheight that sort of thing. Poor boy 785 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,200 making good on his own, you. 786 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 6: Know a little bit. 787 00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 9: Ah, He is too proud to marry her because of 788 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:19,880 her money. 789 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,359 Speaker 12: But she swore that she'd never marry anybody else, that 790 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,680 he was her one true love. 791 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 11: But I uh, I guess she changed her mind. What 792 00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:28,920 does she want to see me about al? 793 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,519 Speaker 9: She didn't say. She did make it clear, however, that 794 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,720 it has to do with some of the family insurance. 795 00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:36,359 Speaker 11: Well that's as good an excuse as any. 796 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,519 Speaker 9: Then, do you want to run on down. 797 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 12: There for a longing look at the gorgeous Ginny van Durham. 798 00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:44,759 But it'll cost you money out listen, Johnny. 799 00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:49,799 Speaker 9: With the premiums we get for all the insurance she carries, life, house, property, 800 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:50,200 and so on. 801 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 11: The sky is a limit, brother, Have you stucked your 802 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:53,200 neck out? 803 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 9: Well, no, that doesn't mean you have. 804 00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 11: I'll be in touch. 805 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: You'll be with us then in the meeting time. S 806 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,559 comments to Box thirteen at Greatdetectives dot net, follow us 807 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,280 on Twitter at A Radio Detectives, and check us out 808 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:14,480 on Instagram, Instagram, dot com, slash Great Detectives from Boise, Idaho. 809 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,719 This is your host, Adam Graham signing off.