WEBVTT 1 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:59.880 It's j Dire Jason j D. 2 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:45.599 Jay Diers Days Analysis, Jade Ires Days Nells. 3 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:31.360 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to Jay's Analysis. Today. We're gonna be 4 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:36.280 talking about Protestantism and Evangelicalism and how they are refuted. 5 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:42.599 And we're gonna do it in eighties Chad shirt an 6 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.719 eighties boomer hat. This hat is way too big for 7 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:49.319 my head. It looks really ridiculous, but I couldn't find 8 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:51.080 my good hat. I don't feel like combing my hair, 9 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:55.680 So we're gonna be I've got my dry erase pad. 10 00:03:55.800 --> 00:04:03.560 Now this is pig Martin Luther two demonstrate dry race bad. 11 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:07.879 How that's gonna work? So I'll be sketching notes for 12 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:12.639 you boys and girls. You can take your notes here. 13 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:18.439 The nerds are pleased. And we got one hundred and third. 14 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:20.560 Last time I did a weekend stream, I got like 15 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:24.399 three hundred people right away. So where is everybody partying tonight? 16 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:29.639 What is tonight? Is this party night? Is this fish fry? 17 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:37.959 Is this the feast of Saint Booz tonight? Anyway? So 18 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:42.439 maybe with the aid of dry erase board, we can 19 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:49.360 help you kids get along in the world. Maybe if 20 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:54.839 you're good, I'll draw you a bronie all right now, 21 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.399 will be taking questions. Of course, We've already got a 22 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:01.040 couple of super chats. Appreciate that go. We're going to 23 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:02.920 talk about I'm gonna I want to try to go 24 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:05.319 pretty hardcore. I want to go in depth because I've 25 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:11.240 had so many questions about doing, you know, reputation of 26 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:15.480 Protestantism over the last few years. So we've covered a 27 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.319 lot of ground with Catholicism. We've done a lot of 28 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:25.920 theological issues related to Rome, but we haven't really done 29 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:28.680 a whole lot of protest and apologics. And we're going 30 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.279 to do some of that tonight, so hopefully we can 31 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:34.920 hit all the majors. I've got with me my seven 32 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:38.399 Ecumenical Council's book from the Chaft set, so we'll be 33 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.759 diving into some of that, looking at the councils. And yes, 34 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:48.000 we will be doing the papacy very soon. In fact, 35 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:50.879 there was going to be a debate and surprise, surprise, 36 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:53.600 he wasn't ready to do it, which is what we 37 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:59.319 always find. And yes, we will essentially probably work through 38 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:03.759 the famous of ab gatea the papacy. This is one 39 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.480 of the classic critiques of the Roman Papacy by a 40 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:11.040 convert from Rome to Orthodoxy, So some of the other 41 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:17.079 books that would be relevant in this for newcomers, I 42 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:20.079 always recommend The Experience of God to Everybody by Father 43 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:23.199 Stunny Lloyd. This is a classic of Orthodoxy, so that's 44 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:26.319 a good one to get in terms of what we 45 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:31.079 conceive of as a holistic view of salvation, theosis or 46 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:36.720 identification in Christ by Paniotis Nellis, so that's another good 47 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:42.240 one you can get trying to get the light right, 48 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:49.600 so it doesn't there you go, there's a There are 49 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:53.920 sermons by Saint Gregory Palamas on Mary why She's stay 50 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:58.759 at Tokos, and of course the writings of Saint Cyril 51 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:02.000 against this Storius on the Unity of Christ, and John 52 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:06.040 mcguckin's book Saint Cyril of Alexander and the Christological controversy 53 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:10.279 will will play a central role in the theology that 54 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:14.680 we're gonna be talking about tonight, because most Protestantism, whether 55 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:18.560 it knows it or not, falls into Nestorianism. So we'll 56 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:25.199 get into all that later on. But uh, for other options, 57 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:29.079 people going what they think is other routes, I recommend 58 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:33.560 the set of a conciesst Delusion by John Pontrello, good book. 59 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:35.639 He was influenced by my work. I can't get the 60 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:39.000 light right set of a conscious delusion, so that we 61 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:44.519 don't go down that road, that mistake. Let's see what 62 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:49.079 else have we got here. Michael Welton's book is pretty standard. 63 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:54.600 Two Paths Roman Orthodoxy Michael Welton, Two Paths, that's a 64 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.319 good book, one of the Catholic stuff, because I'm sure 65 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:03.079 we're gonna have a wide audience here different theological views. 66 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:05.120 And then, of course it's always important to understand the 67 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:09.720 cosmic scope of Orthodoxy as opposed to the limiting scope 68 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.040 of all Western theology, whether Roman, Catholic or Evangelical. And 69 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.879 to begin to understand the cosmic scope of Eastern theology, 70 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:20.439 you need to understand Saint Maximus and to understand that 71 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.759 Christ is by his incarnation united to all human beings, 72 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.720 universal human nature. That's why all men are resurrected. That 73 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:33.080 is the universal teaching of all the Orthodox fathers. After Augustine, 74 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.320 the scope of salvation begins to be limited, particularly in 75 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.000 terms of the elect or the predestined, and Rome certainly 76 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:43.320 goes down that route. So then you have the loss 77 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.440 of the cosmic scope of the redemption. However, Roman's eight 78 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:49.399 Paul very clearly says that the scope of redemption is cosmic. 79 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:54.480 And then of course you can read Lars Thurnberg's summarize 80 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.279 work there Man in Cosmos on Saint Maximus as well. 81 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.519 And then for worship, of course, Orthodox worship, it's a 82 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:06.879 big deal for many of the Protestancy evangelicals. Orthodox worship 83 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:11.559 is based on the continuity of worship in the Temple 84 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.120 and the Synagogue. So I would recommend Orthodox Worship a 85 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:17.320 live in Continuity with the Synagogue Temple in the Early 86 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:26.000 Church by Williams and Anstall. And for maybe something a 87 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.799 little more on the scholarly side of things, if you're 88 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:32.919 interested in just the historic the Orthodox Liturgy by Hugh 89 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.279 Weybrew the development of Divine Liturgy in the Byzantine era. 90 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.039 So those are some introductory books that are worth checking 91 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:45.440 out if you are because everybody always asks for books. 92 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:51.559 I have already linked below the recommended reading section. And 93 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:53.519 tonight we're gonna be talking about not just the Bible, 94 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:55.919 not just theology. We're also be talking about a lot 95 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:58.279 of history. Now I have old essays that everybody could 96 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:02.159 read and Jason. Also, I worked all day to day 97 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:07.159 basically fixing old articles. So I fixed another thirty or so, 98 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:09.960 so you can go and find all those in the archives. 99 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:13.840 But I have old articles that deal with the canon 100 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.519 of Scripture, the septuagent, the use of the Deutero canon 101 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:25.159 by the early Church, the Catechism. Get ready, what are 102 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:30.960 you talking about? Catechism? Get ready? Yes, microcosmo media, right, yes, exactly. 103 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:36.919 So basically in the archives you can find all the 104 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:42.799 kind of stuff that I'll be talking about in written form. 105 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:45.519 So and no, I'm not referring to them, You'll just 106 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:47.759 have to dig them up. We're all going to be 107 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:52.519 just going from memory here. So I've put enough time 108 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:55.320 into this. I can do all this off the cuff 109 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:06.519 over the years. So now I would not do a 110 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:12.240 drinking game based on the names I use. All right, 111 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:16.919 So where to start with Protestants. Well, it doesn't really 112 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.320 matter whether we start historically or whether we start biblically. 113 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.759 Both are going to be problematic. So I think if we, 114 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:30.600 let's see, I want to be able to pull up 115 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:33.519 the Church fathers to have the quotes ready for you 116 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:52.039 when we refer to that. Let's see here, So similar 117 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:58.279 to the critique that we had with with Rome. We're 118 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.639 going to see that there's a different anthropology, there's a 119 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:05.159 different theology, a different eschatology, a different ecclesiology, a different 120 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:10.080 sacramentology across the board for pretty much all forms of Protestantism. 121 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:15.039 And you're going to notice as well that the absolute 122 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:22.279 divine simplicity doctrine of Rome will really condition absolute divines, 123 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:26.360 will condition the theology and Protestantism as well. The difference 124 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:29.240 is that it will condition the theology in a different 125 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:34.679 direction than it conditioned the Roman theology. Roman theology, of course, 126 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:40.080 was a lot more make sure my volumes levels are 127 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:45.759 right here. Roman theology was a lot more philosophical than 128 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:49.480 the truck of Protestantism. Of course, Protestanism, seeking to out 129 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:52.000 of the humanist tradition of the Late Renaissance, returned to 130 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:57.279 the original sources, the idea of being able to just 131 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:01.320 go back to the Bible, just go back to supposedly 132 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:06.120 the original sources, the original texts, right, the Greek, the Hebrew, 133 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.120 and then we could we could purge the Church of 134 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:13.759 all of its accretions, all of its man made traditions, 135 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:18.759 all of its bogus ideas and doctrines that had that 136 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:23.039 had crept in over the centuries. Now, as Orthodox, we 137 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:26.480 do not believe either the Roman Catholic doctrine or the 138 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:30.360 Protestant doctrine, so we will agree that there are problems 139 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:34.279 on both sides. And one thing I'm going to recommend 140 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:39.080 to you that shows this the same point about basically 141 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:42.240 falling on two sides of the same coin, is the 142 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:46.159 book by doctor phil Schard Church gives Them a Papacy. Now, 143 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:51.519 the best part of this book, which you can still 144 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:56.360 get online Amazon, I think has it pretty cheap, is 145 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:01.639 the chapter about I think it's the last chapter about 146 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:07.159 the Trinity affecting Rome and how the papal doctrines are 147 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.720 connected to the philioque right, because again, absolute divine simplicity 148 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:16.279 conditions the entire Roman scheme. And the reason I recommend 149 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:19.240 that on the Protestant stream that we're talking about is 150 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:24.159 because it's going to be the same issue in Protestantism, 151 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:27.039 except on the other side of the dialectic. So whereas 152 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:30.879 in Rome the papacy begins to be viewed as necessary 153 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.039 because of error on the Holy Spirit and then thus 154 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:38.759 basically not understanding the power of the Holy Spirit to 155 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:41.919 guide the Church within history Pentecost right because of an 156 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:45.120 error quite literally on the doctrine of the Holy Spirit, 157 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.120 you're going to have a displacement of the doctrine of 158 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:56.840 how man understands and perceives doctrine in history. So what 159 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:00.000 happens is that Rome sets up this external juridical means 160 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:05.000 by which we supposedly know doctrine and theology, and the 161 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:08.000 papacy is supposedly the solution to this. We get the 162 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:12.080 idea of the great imperial God, Emperor of the Pope, 163 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:15.399 who makes the final decisions, supposedly, and that's the only 164 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.320 way to know what's true or false. Now, if you 165 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.039 know anything about basic epistemology, you know that this just 166 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:24.519 moves the problem back of stuff, doesn't it. There's no 167 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:30.639 insurance policy that you know that you're interpreting the papacy correctly. 168 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.919 In the twentieth century, papacy bears that out perfectly, because 169 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:37.399 nobody is sure what to do with Vatican two, and 170 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:40.399 there's a million different interpretations of Ettikan two. So so 171 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:47.200 much for the easy, simple jurisdictional perfection interpretation of the papacy, 172 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:52.799 and wider Catholks believe that because they believe in classical foundationalism. 173 00:15:53.639 --> 00:16:01.679 This is a view of epistemology that is connected to 174 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:14.919 classical apologetics and approaches to anthropology and epistemology, and it's 175 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.320 connected ultimately as well to tonism. And we're going to 176 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:23.639 see that. Of course, in the Protestant tradition, the early Protestants, 177 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:30.000 they continue all this, right, they continue classical foundationalism, they 178 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.600 continue the classical apologetics. They have the same epistemology. Basically, 179 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:38.120 there's a good book on this about similarities between Calvin 180 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:41.600 and Aquinas, because it's something it's called Calvin and Aquinas. 181 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:43.759 I read that many many years ago, back when I 182 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:48.960 was a Calvinist. And the point being is that the 183 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:53.200 anthropology that you get in Protestantism is not really any 184 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:56.840 different than the anthropology that you get in Rome, except 185 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.919 that they see the fall is basically different and having 186 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.080 different effects. So you get a little bit more fleshed 187 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:07.720 out anthropology and scholastic speculations. I cannot get this right 188 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:12.960 without light shine off of it. All. Right, here we go. 189 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:15.599 I have to hold it like this down here, right, 190 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:20.519 So we're going to see that Orthodoxy has a different 191 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:23.079 view here on all these and also has a different 192 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:27.119 view of anthropology that is neither Roman nor Protestant. So 193 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:30.200 a couple more terms we want to keep in mind here. 194 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:35.160 We don't believe in classical foundationalism because that's essentially an 195 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:39.000 empirical view that would arise after Aquinas in terms of 196 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:42.160 how man knows God and does theology. Hence we get 197 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:45.079 natural theology. Hence we get the idea of we can 198 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.359 look at the natural world and we can reason back 199 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:52.519 to a generic first cause a right, the generic creator. 200 00:17:55.680 --> 00:18:04.240 In Roman theology, we're gonna call this an analogia us 201 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:22.880 right now, there's a corollary in Protestantism called analogia fe day. Okay, 202 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:24.680 So these are two more terms we want to be 203 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:27.519 familiar with because they have a lot of impact on 204 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:31.640 the history of Western theology. And what again, I want 205 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:33.680 to show you consistently. And the reason I'm bringing up 206 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:36.839 both Rome and Protestants here is because it falls on 207 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:39.480 two sides of a coin. So the analogy of being, 208 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:44.359 this is the tonistic idea again that created order. You 209 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:49.400 can reason back through cosmological succession to a first cause. Right, 210 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:53.440 this is the whole aerosol first cause stuff. And since 211 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:55.839 all things possess all things possessed being, there must have 212 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:58.119 been a first being, and it's a supreme being, some 213 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:01.680 kind of generic supreme being. This is all the garbage 214 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:06.079 traditional classical apologetics of aquinas in the Western tradition, which 215 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:10.000 led directly to atheism, because those arguments are bad arguments. Now, 216 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:12.720 in contrast to this, the Protestants came up with a 217 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:16.599 different idea of how man knows and approaches God, because 218 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:18.880 they have a different anthropology, and they have a different 219 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:22.599 conception of the fall, they have a different conception of salvation, 220 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:27.000 different conception of what grace is and how man is saved, 221 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:31.839 and so likewise, knowing God required for them a different approach, 222 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:35.880 which they called the analogia fide or the analogy of faith. So, 223 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:39.200 because man has fallen, he can't really reason from the 224 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:43.640 natural order properly back to some first cause or some 225 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:49.359 creator cause. Instead, he needs revelation precisely because of what 226 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:53.240 we might call the noetic effects of sin, this is 227 00:19:53.799 --> 00:20:01.279 the mental right effects of sin upon humankind, and because 228 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:04.880 they're so severe in the Protestant tradition, when we speak 229 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:10.799 of Luther or Calvin or the Calvinist tradition or the 230 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:21.519 Puritan tradition. We have to understand where this theology leads us, right, 231 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:27.319 and we're going to see that this doesn't work. So 232 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:30.759 what happens in the Protestant view. We're going to speak 233 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:33.759 classically here of the Reformed tradition, the Presbyterian tradition, the 234 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:36.920 Calvinist tradition, and also by extension, we could apply it 235 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:39.400 to the Lutheran tradition as well. The noadic effects of sin, 236 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:42.039 this is the mental effects of sin, and they are 237 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:47.160 such that human beings cannot properly interpret the natural world 238 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:52.480 without revealed information about the natural, namely scripture. So this 239 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:57.000 leads to solo scriptura. The effects, the extreme effects of 240 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:01.640 sin after the fall, have so damaged human nature, catch 241 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:07.599 that human nature, that human nature itself is almost sinful. 242 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:12.559 Now you get different approaches to this. Now, Luther writes 243 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:15.319 a book called Bondage of the Will, where essentially he 244 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:19.519 affirms this. He affirms the Manichean doctrine that human nature 245 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:23.400 is inherently sinful. He says, man is an ass that's 246 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:26.759 either written by God or the devil. So he explicitly 247 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.920 denies the power the energy of a natural human will 248 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:37.079 in mankind. Likewise, Calvinism, although it affirms the goodness of 249 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:40.359 the human will, in most cases, the human will has 250 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:43.920 no ability whatsoever to move towards God. It is dead 251 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:47.480 in sin. Man has no natural ability at all. It's 252 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:49.799 been destroyed as a result of the fall, and hence 253 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:53.079 their doctrine of total depravity. Now, total depravity doesn't just 254 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:56.720 affect the movement of man's will and conversion, it also 255 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:01.839 affects how he interprets scripture. This leads to the doctrine 256 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:06.240 of the fallibility of man in interpreting scripture. And what happens, 257 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.160 of course, is that this is one of the chief 258 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.640 reasons that they reject the infallibility of the papacy, because 259 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:13.640 of the noeedic effects of sin. There's no such thing 260 00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:18.039 as an infallible interpreter. But now both of these problems 261 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:20.480 run into Both of these positions run into a little 262 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:23.319 bit of a problem when we consider the fact that 263 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:27.599 the noeedic effects of sin also seem to affect the 264 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:30.640 believer in interpreting the scripture too, don't they Well, yes 265 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:33.440 they do. If the effects of sin are such that, 266 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:38.039 as the Westminster Confession of the Calvinists say, even after conversion, 267 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:42.119 sin is still affecting you throughout your life daily, right 268 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:44.319 the way that even if you try to interpret the scriptures, 269 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:46.599 you're still dealing with the noetic effects of sin, even 270 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:50.359 if you've been regenerated now. But the problem is that 271 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:55.200 you don't ever then get to any potential certitude or 272 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:58.279 what we might call infallible certitude. Doesn't matter what you 273 00:22:58.319 --> 00:23:01.400 put in whatever interchangeable terms you want, The noedic effects 274 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:05.079 of sin already conditioned the impossibility of certitude when it 275 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:09.200 comes to understanding scriptures or relationship with God, because ultimately 276 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:12.920 you don't even know if the psychological subjective belief that 277 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:14.880 you have that your quote saved or the one of 278 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:17.200 the elect is not a delusion. And many of the 279 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:21.640 Puritans suffered with this psychological delusion. And what do the 280 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.680 Protestants say, Well, they just had to fall back on Well, 281 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.519 the spirit will assure you if you're elect. Okay, but 282 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:30.480 how do I know, Well, if you bear the fruits, 283 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:33.759 if you bear the works worthy of repentance. Well, but 284 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:36.559 how do I know I'm not bearing dead works that 285 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:39.720 I think are true works? Right? You see, So there's 286 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:46.000 this never ending sort of introspective pietistic lose yourself in gobbledegook. 287 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:49.319 When this is all because of the errors of Protestantism 288 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.799 based around faulty human anthropology. They have the wrong anthropology 289 00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:56.960 and they have the wrong anthropology because they departed from 290 00:23:57.559 --> 00:24:00.039 what the Church had already established in terms of the 291 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.440 medical councils. In terms of Christology. You cannot have proper 292 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:11.119 Biblical orthodox anthropology without the right Christology, because that's how 293 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:14.599 we are. That's how the Church has fleshed out what 294 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:20.279 proper anthropology is through the centuries of the council's debating 295 00:24:20.440 --> 00:24:26.359 and settling christological disputes. And because and the reason for 296 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:31.720 that is because the christological disputes solidify the Biblical revealed 297 00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:35.880 tradition about what it is to be human and what 298 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:38.920 the fall is and what Christ did in the incarnation. 299 00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:41.400 That's why we're going to see, for example, that the 300 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:45.200 Council of Ephesus, we'll talk about the deifying flesh of 301 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:50.039 the Eucharist. Christ deified his flesh and the incarnation, and 302 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:53.599 then by extension in the Lord Supper, the Eucharist, we 303 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:57.720 participate in that deified humanity. Now that's not at all 304 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:01.839 believed by any Protestant sect out there, and I don't 305 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:04.799 care about Anglicans and all their speculation. That doesn't matter 306 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:08.039 because it's all the same nonsense. It's all the same gobbledygoog. 307 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:14.119 But we want to start there because we already see 308 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:17.200 from the outset that the systems of whatever form of 309 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:22.680 Protestantism right, or whatever form of Catholicism it's contrasted to, 310 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:29.119 they really exist. Prot exists as a kind of negation 311 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:32.960 of Rome. It doesn't exist as a historical phenomenon that 312 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:36.200 has a lineage that it can trace back, because as 313 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:40.000 soon as we start going into the ecumenical councils, all 314 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:44.039 those ecumenical councils refute every aspect of protestantsm across the board. 315 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:47.240 They believe in tradition, they believe in the real presence 316 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:49.880 of the Eucharists. They believe in icons, they believe in 317 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:53.480 relics of the Saints. They believe in confession to a priest. 318 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.160 They believe in the visible body of the Church. They 319 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:58.799 believe in they believe in a historical succession of the Church. 320 00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:02.920 They believe in oral tradition, they believe in the episcopate, uh, 321 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.519 they believe in basically any anything but Protestantism. There's there's 322 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:11.279 nothing about the first millennium of the Church that is 323 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:14.880 Protestant except for the heresies. And this is what's amazing 324 00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:18.880 and why everybody, for the most part who really delves 325 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.880 into church history in the first thousand years of the 326 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:25.599 Church Fathers will usually convert either to Roman orthodoxy is 327 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:29.880 because they realize that, uh, they didn't teach Protestanism, and 328 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:33.759 in fact, the same heresies that the early Church Fathers 329 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:38.839 battled pop up in Protestantism. For example, example, Jerome wrote 330 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:44.240 against heretics who devaught, denied the relics, right, who denied 331 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:48.480 the goodness of the sacramental aspects of creative, creative creation 332 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:52.079 and the created order. Right. Jerome has multiple treatises against this. 333 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.440 Jerome has treatises defending the perpetual virginity of Mary. All right, 334 00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:58.440 So if you're new to the Church Fathers and you 335 00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:00.599 start reading that, you're like, WHOA, You know, I wasn't 336 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:05.200 really expecting this. I myself was Calvinist, and Calvinists all 337 00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.039 hold Augustine in high regard because they thought he taught 338 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:10.920 the doctrines of grace. Right, Apparently that's all that matters 339 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:13.119 is as long as you get this doctrine, this generic 340 00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:16.279 idea of the doctrine of grace correctly, that's true salvation 341 00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:20.599 is actually having a proper understanding. So it's like a 342 00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:24.759 rational mental state that is true faith, which is defined 343 00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:29.599 as a proper understanding of salvation by faith alone, through grace, 344 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:34.759 by faith through grace, etcetera. Exactly what that means, well, 345 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:38.920 that requires a whole bunch of scholastic litigation and reading 346 00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:42.359 giant Puritan tones to try to figure this out. And 347 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:46.480 then hopefully you're not deceiving yourself by thinking that you're 348 00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:51.759 one of the elect when you're not. So again, it's 349 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:54.359 not hard to figure out when you do begin to 350 00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:58.960 delve into the Church Fathers that although these so called 351 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:06.519 Protestant Reformers wanted to maintain Orthodoxy so called, they end 352 00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:10.240 up messing up on the doctrines of christology and human 353 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.559 nature and they don't even know it. And that's because 354 00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:17.160 Protestantism essentially arose out of an attempt to go back 355 00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:21.359 to Augustine. And it's that simple. But that only works 356 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:24.519 if Augustine was fundamentally correct on most of his points, 357 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:30.480 and he wasn't right. That's why orthodoxy is universal. Orthodoxy 358 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:34.279 believes in the common ideas of the Church fathers. We 359 00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.680 don't exalt one guy. We don't exalt the Bishop of Rome, 360 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:40.160 we don't exalt Augustine, we don't exalt one guy over 361 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:45.039 there acquit us to be our so called pre eminent theologians. 362 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:50.519 That's not universal, that is local, that is that is 363 00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:53.880 not that is fundamentally contradictory to what we would say 364 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.759 about the Catholicity of the Church, which is ironic because 365 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:03.799 both Protestantism and Romanism to try to somehow claim Catholicity anyway. 366 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:08.039 So we start with the notion of how do we 367 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:12.160 know what's true? And we mentioned solo scriptura. Well, it's 368 00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:18.000 not very difficult to break apart the idea of solo scriptura, 369 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:20.880 even from scripture itself. Scripture itself does not tell us 370 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.759 which texts were supposed to be in the canon. And 371 00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:27.599 anybody who's read anything about the history of canonicity or 372 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:31.200 the compiling of the text into what would become the 373 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:34.039 Bible knows that this was done over many centuries in 374 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:38.079 the early Church. Now we don't have, for example, a 375 00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:44.240 statement that the Gospel of Matthew was written by Matthew. 376 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:50.720 The apostle there's no biblical statement to prove that. It's 377 00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:55.440 a aspect of tradition that went into the decision of 378 00:29:55.480 --> 00:30:00.359 the Church fathers to include Matthew's Gospel in the can Now, 379 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.799 that wasn't the only reason that Matthew was included in 380 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:05.519 the canon. It was included because it was handed down 381 00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:09.119 in certain bishoprics and known to be authentic. So there's 382 00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:14.279 a liturgical aspect of canonicity which no Protestant knows or understands, 383 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:18.359 which is that if they were going to have these 384 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:23.119 synods and councils to determine which text would make it 385 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.640 into the canon, it would require more than just some 386 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.640 guy reading it and saying, I feel like this was 387 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.920 written by the apostles and it aligns with the Restroscripture 388 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.680 because I read the other parts of scripture. That's presupposing 389 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:37.480 what the scripture is, and that's what's in question, right. 390 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:42.279 So there's multiple synods that are happening throughout the first 391 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.400 several centuries of the Church. We don't have to just 392 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.640 point out Roman Catholics always say the Bible was the 393 00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.799 decision was made by the fourth and fifth centuries by 394 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.759 the Roman Church. No it wasn't. It was longer than that, 395 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:57.720 and there was not even a definite canon by the 396 00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:02.599 fourth and fifth centuries in the entire imperi. So it's many, many, 397 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:08.319 many centuries debating when the normative canon would be settled. 398 00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:11.720 And even still when you factor in the idea of 399 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:16.559 tradition oral tradition, there's still minor variances. Even amongst Apostolic 400 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.200 churches to this day, there are still divergences. You know, 401 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:24.559 the Slavonic canon is a little bit different than other canons, 402 00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:26.960 and that's because we don't have the sole scripture review. 403 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.559 That's not a problem in our church and our tradition, 404 00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:34.000 but it is a problem in Protestantism. So the more 405 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:39.640 uneducated versions of Protestantism, in response to these kinds of issues, 406 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.920 they'll fall back on stuff like King James only, which 407 00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:46.359 you know, is really really absurd, but it doesn't even 408 00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:50.839 really deserve to be to be dealt with. But sticking 409 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:55.240 to the main point, one of the things that would 410 00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:59.680 go into, for example, the decision of canonicity would be 411 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.400 whether it had Apostolic pedigree, whether whether the church fathers 412 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.559 felt like it could be attached to one of the 413 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:11.759 apostles like Matthew, whether it had been read in the electionaries. 414 00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:14.079 This is something Protestants don't anything about. But from the 415 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.160 early stays of the church, because the church comes out 416 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:19.440 of temple slash synagogue worship, they had what were called 417 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:24.920 electionaries and electionaries or old collections of texts to be 418 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.359 read in the church services, essentially a liturgical type document, 419 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.559 and a lot of those electionaries had ancient readings in them. Okay, 420 00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:35.279 So it's not just a question of let's go back 421 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:37.400 to the ancient church and see who had the most 422 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:41.200 copies of Matthew's Gospel. Right. There wasn't just written copies 423 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.200 of Matthew's Gospel. It was also in the electionaries. It 424 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.480 was also in the liturgy, the daily readings. It was 425 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:50.200 also in church fathers. Church fathers would copy, you know, 426 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:53.720 proof texts in their writings. Okay. So all of this 427 00:32:55.359 --> 00:33:00.880 goes into the decisions of canonicity over many centuries. And 428 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:03.720 I will give you for example, there's a Protestant scholar 429 00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:07.920 named Lee MacDonald who is a Baptist who wrote a 430 00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.640 book about the formation of the Canon. And at the 431 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.880 back of Lee McDonald's Baptist book on the Formation of 432 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.400 the Canon, he is a Baptist liberal I should admit. 433 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.480 And I'm not signing him because I think he is 434 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:29.680 a reliable person. I'm signing it because here is a Protestant. 435 00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:35.359 Let me let's see here, let me pull it up 436 00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:41.000 for you. Yeah, who charts all this out for you? 437 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:43.000 And he's like, well, you know what, I guess if 438 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.599 this is true, then we've got to be liberal, right, 439 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:47.599 So in other words, he in order to maintain the 440 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.000 Baptist nonsense, where else could you go but be liberal 441 00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.519 since this is true? Right, because there's no solo scriptura 442 00:33:54.920 --> 00:34:00.640 for centuries right now, we haven't answered this. Not just 443 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:05.720 be liberal. It's the orthodox tradition, right. Tradition is a 444 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.480 big part of how this canon is brought to be, 445 00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:12.159 how it comes to be over many centuries, and you 446 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:16.039 can't divorce it from the oral tradition, the liturgy and 447 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.719 the decision of the church in terms of the bishops. 448 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.719 Wasn't a decision that the Bishop of Rome said if 449 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:26.519 this was all, if the early Church fathers had the 450 00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.599 Vatican One view of papal infallibility, all anyone needed to 451 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:34.119 do was just ask Peter's magical Church of Rome, which 452 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:36.199 one is the true canon, and they would know. But 453 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.679 guess what they didn't know. Did you know Athanasius had 454 00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:40.920 to go to Rome and argue with them about the 455 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:46.119 inclusion of the Book of Revelation. Yep. And Lee McDonald's 456 00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:51.440 book in amazingly in the back includes all of the 457 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:55.599 differing canons of the church fathers. Right. So Origin had 458 00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:59.559 a list, Athanasius has a list. Other church fathers have 459 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:04.280 a list. Right, So you can't just treat the church 460 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.000 fathers like solar scripturia, which is what Protestants do. They'll 461 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:09.400 try to like mine the church fathers as if the 462 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:12.360 writings of the church fathers in just another version of 463 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.000 solar scripturial, like a very Talmudic type thing. No, because 464 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:19.280 they didn't have the same canon. So there's absolutely no 465 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.599 way for the Protestants to get out of this or 466 00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:27.960 to figure this out. And I spent a long time 467 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.639 as a Protestant on this very question. I've read probably 468 00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:34.880 fifteen books on this question from Protestant scholars and academics. 469 00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:39.400 Another one I can recommend that will illustrate all of 470 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.840 this is the famous evangelical scholar F. F. Bruce's book 471 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.360 The Canon of Scripture. Now. Elf FF Bruce is a 472 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:52.079 scholar who is a conservative evangelical. So we had Lee 473 00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.719 McDonald with his sort of liberal leanings because he couldn't 474 00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:58.000 figure out how to make sense of this. And here 475 00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:02.679 is a conservative evangelical and guess what his book makes 476 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.320 all the same points I'm making to you. These are 477 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:17.199 Protestant evangelicals who are realizing, Oh, the retard Baptist answer 478 00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:20.800 as to how we got the Bible is retarded. It's 479 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:24.440 not true. So what do they do, Well, they just 480 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:29.239 presuppose that the spirit guided the church. Oh no, wait 481 00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:31.360 a minute. Now, if the spirit can guide the church 482 00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:39.119 in the decision of the canon, maybe the spirit can 483 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:42.039 guide the church in other decisions. Has it ever occurred 484 00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:47.159 to you as a Protestant that maybe that's the case. Well, 485 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:53.280 it is, okay, So there's no there's absolutely no solution 486 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:55.320 to this as a product. And in fact, when we 487 00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:04.519 read Second Thessalonians two what is it thirteen fifteen? Yeah, fifteen. Therefore, brethren, 488 00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.199 stand fast and the traditions that I delivered to you, 489 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.360 whether oral or written. So Paul and Second thessaloni Is 490 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.920 two fifteen commands the church to continue to keep the 491 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.400 orld traditions because there was no Bible at this point. 492 00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:20.199 Do you understand that there was not a Bible. They 493 00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.719 were using the most of the time, the Septuagint, the 494 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:25.920 Old Testament Greek. Most of the quotations of the New 495 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:28.400 Testament from the Old Testament are from the Septusient, not all, 496 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:32.920 but most, and there are many dudo canonical citations. By 497 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:35.119 the way, the New Testament references the Deuial Kennon. Did 498 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:40.280 you know that Protestants, Yes, it does in many places, 499 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.400 and so do all the Church Fathers. Now, I remember 500 00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:48.920 when I really dove into the Church Fathers back when 501 00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:51.599 I was about twenty three twenty four, and I started 502 00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:56.559 noticing all this this. It really shook me because you know, 503 00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:59.800 I had spent many many years in and apologetics as 504 00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:03.199 a Protestant, you know, really trying to hammer down this stuff, 505 00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:06.679 and realizing that if we base our belief system as 506 00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:10.480 a Protestant on the Bible, it also requires that there 507 00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:14.719 be some kind of guidance or certitude about knowing that 508 00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.599 we have the right canon, because guess what, not everybody has. 509 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:21.000 Everybody has the same canon of scripture, do they. The 510 00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:25.280 Protestant canon is different from the Catholic The Protestant canon 511 00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.519 is different from the Orthodox canon. So if the Bible 512 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:32.000 alone is true, then it requires that we be certain 513 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.519 about which Bible, don't we right? So how do we 514 00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:36.199 know that we have the right Bible? Well, we assume 515 00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:40.000 that the Holy Spirit properly guided the Church to collect 516 00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:44.440 these documents together. But guess what. This decision, as everybody knows, 517 00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:48.840 was made hundreds of centuries after the time of the Apostles. Now, 518 00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:52.800 if you read my essay The Biblical Nature of Sacred 519 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:56.440 Tradition and jas Analysis, you will see where I go 520 00:38:56.559 --> 00:39:02.760 into extensive detail about numerous examples of tradition, not just 521 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.559 in the New Testament or in Paul's you know, admonitions 522 00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.719 or whatever. For example, if we think about the fact 523 00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.320 that from Genesis to the time of Moses, nothing that 524 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.000 we know of was written down. It was an oral 525 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:20.400 tradition that was handed on from the patriarchs through the 526 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:22.559 Family of God. Essentially at that time that was in 527 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.880 covenant with God. The other nations, pagan nations, as far 528 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:30.039 as we know, did not have the revelation of the 529 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.199 covenant of God except for maybe a couple examples of 530 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:37.679 Melchizedic or job. So from the time of you know, Adam, 531 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:45.639 eve Seth Noah down through the patriarchs Joseph, Abraham. We 532 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:48.360 don't know that any of that was necessarily written because 533 00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.960 the Torah is from the time of Moses, which is 534 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:59.199 a significant number of millennia right after Adam. So for 535 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:04.920 all of these centuries God can preserve the revelation. Orally, 536 00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.960 that means we know that there's nothing that's inherently flawed 537 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:11.639 or there's nothing outside of the power of God keeping 538 00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:17.000 him from preserving oral tradition. God can do anything he wants. 539 00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:20.320 You know, what does the Angel say, is there anything 540 00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.840 impossible for God? No, of course not. So there's nothing 541 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:27.639 inherently wrong about oral revelation being preserved from Adam to 542 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:32.239 Moses and Joshua. So when we serve at the Old Testament, 543 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:35.239 we realized that all the patriarchs operated through this kind 544 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.400 of infallible oral tradition, that they maintained a right. So that, 545 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:44.519 by the way, shows that they weren't purely infallible, totally 546 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.840 depraved human beings because they were able to preserve this 547 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:55.960 revelation they were certain about it. Now we also when 548 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:58.480 we read about for example, Abraham building an altar, we 549 00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.079 know that he wasn't given a written textbook to instruct 550 00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:02.840 him how to do this. But he had at least 551 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.079 some sense of direct revelation with God or something of 552 00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:08.079 that nature, or he knew in terms of the oral 553 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.760 tradition that had been passed on him how to do this. 554 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:16.519 So even ceremonial aspects of the way Abraham acted or 555 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:20.119 keeping of the Sabbath, for example, even that preceded the 556 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:24.440 written text of the Mosaic Law. So when we keep 557 00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:26.480 that in mind, then we can move into like the 558 00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:30.840 historical period, for example, and we see second second Chronicles 559 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:35.199 twenty nine or Hezekyah talks about stationing the leevites in 560 00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:37.639 the house of the Lord with symbols, string instrument, harps, 561 00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:42.599 according to the commandment of David, Goad, the Goad, the 562 00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.280 king seer, and Nathan the prophet. For thus was the 563 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.199 commandment of the Lord by his prophets. The leevites stood 564 00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:51.039 with the instruments of David, and the priests with the trumpets. 565 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:54.559 We do not have a written record of what David 566 00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:58.679 commanded concerning these things. Furthermore, it is also clear that 567 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.400 King David flourished some two hundred fifty years before the 568 00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:04.039 time of King has Akiah, so it might be argued 569 00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.559 that this was David's opinion concerning worship, but we know 570 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:12.039 that God doesn't typically tolerate human opinions in worship. So 571 00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:14.440 this is the irony of kind of the regulative principle 572 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:18.239 of many Protestants is that the way that has Akaia 573 00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.480 knew this was because of the world tradition. So again 574 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.199 I'm not saying that that means we just make up stuff. 575 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.800 It's rather that there was a body of doctrines handed 576 00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:29.519 down even at this time, which was being passed on. 577 00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:33.079 And yes, it does get corrupted. Jeremiah talks about the 578 00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:37.480 corruption of human opinions being added on, and it's the 579 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:39.679 same thing that Jesus rebukes in his day about the 580 00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:41.840 scribes and the Pharisees. But the fact that there were 581 00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:46.039 corruptions does not mean that there wasn't still a solid, 582 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:48.679 true revelation from God. The mere fact that we have 583 00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:53.320 the Old Testament in our scriptures shows that. So the 584 00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:56.280 point here is that for the Protestants, for the Evangelicals 585 00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:58.679 who aren't aware of this, we start to realize that 586 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.719 out the Old Testament, there's many examples of traditions that 587 00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:05.519 are cited in what Protestants believe is the word of 588 00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:10.559 God that are not part of the canon. We read 589 00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:12.880 in numbers twenty one, there's a citation of the books 590 00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.360 of the Wars of the Lord. We read in Joshua ten, 591 00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:20.159 the Book of the Just, we read in Second Kings 592 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.239 about the Book of the Just, we read about, the 593 00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:29.119 Book of Nathan the Prophet, we read about Let's see, 594 00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:32.480 there's a whole bunch of these, the books of Ohias 595 00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:37.320 the seal Anite, the Book of Ido the Seer, They're 596 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:41.559 all quoted throughout the Old Testament. And nobody knows what 597 00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:44.840 these books are. They're lost to history, but they were 598 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:48.960 not viewed and at that time as lost to history, right, 599 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:53.960 they were cited. So those books had true tradition that, 600 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.360 in God's providence, did not make it into the canon. 601 00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:00.360 But the point is that there was oral tradition, were 602 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:06.280 extra canonical traditions that were true. And this is the 603 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.719 same attitude of the Church today. So this is why, 604 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:12.679 for example, in John twenty it says Jesus did many things, 605 00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:15.960 and he did countless signs in the presence of his disciples, 606 00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:19.400 which are not written in this book John's Gospel, but 607 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:21.199 the ones that I have written for you are written 608 00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:23.079 that you might believe that Jesus is the son of God. 609 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:28.639 And he says later in John twenty one, if there 610 00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:30.519 are many other things that if Jesus did, if they 611 00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:34.079 were already written down, I would suppose that the world 612 00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.119 itself could not contain the books that could be written. 613 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.239 So the point being is that you'll see examples of this. 614 00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:43.880 For example, Paul in Acts will quote Jesus in a 615 00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:49.519 sex in a text that we don't have any reference 616 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:51.800 to Jesus saying it is more blessed to give than 617 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.480 to receive, but Paul quotes our Lord as saying this. 618 00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.599 Now we'll see other examples like, for exa, a protest 619 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.840 will cite Acts twenty twenty seven about the full Council 620 00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:06.840 of God, which they assume means only written texts. But 621 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:10.400 it doesn't because when Paul preached, for example, an Acts, 622 00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:13.159 we read about the story where he preached all night long, 623 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.320 and you know, somebody fell asleep and fell out of 624 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.159 the window and broke their neck basically, and Paul healed them. 625 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:23.559 That entire sermon is the Council of God. We don't 626 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:27.199 have that sermon, but he preached an entire sermon. You see. 627 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:31.320 So the Apostolic preaching was authoritative and it was inspired. 628 00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:34.320 It wasn't just the written text of Paul. It was 629 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:38.880 anything Paul taught, because Paul had the Holy Spirit. Now 630 00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:41.119 this is I'm making these points because these are points 631 00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:44.679 that Protestants don't usually think about. That's why we read, 632 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:48.639 for example, for this reason, without ceasing, Paul says, because 633 00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:50.639 when you receive the Word of God, you heard it 634 00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:52.840 from us, and you welcomed it not as the word 635 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:54.440 of man, but as it is the word of truth, 636 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:57.559 which effectively works in you who believe. That's first Essaloni's 637 00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:01.320 two thirteen. So paul oral preaching, he calls the word 638 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:04.519 of God. You see, because Protestants have all these dumb 639 00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:05.800 things where they try to say, oh, it's only the 640 00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.440 written thing Paul was only reciting. Was he just reciting 641 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:11.400 the Bible? Of course not. No, he was preaching orally 642 00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:15.440 for hours from the Old Testament, right and whatever gospel 643 00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.400 he might have had. And here specifically and for Assonians 644 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:24.880 two thirteen, he identifies his oral teaching with the Word 645 00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:28.039 of God. So, in other words, the oral teaching of 646 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.519 the apostles was also infallible. And this is why he 647 00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:35.079 commands the Thessalonians to continue the oral traditions. He says 648 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:38.000 this also to Timothy. He says to Timothy, hold fast 649 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:40.760 to the pattern of sound words which you heard from 650 00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:43.760 me oral that the good thing which was committed to 651 00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:45.679 you will be kept by the Holy Spirit dwells in us. 652 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.199 So Paul believes that the passing on and he ordained 653 00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:51.440 Timothy right by laying his hands on him Apostolic succession. 654 00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.599 And then he tells Timothy, lay hands on men after you, 655 00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:58.320 but not hastily. Apostolic succession. And he says that the 656 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.760 Holy Spirit will keep that inheritance, that will keep that tradition. 657 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:08.159 That's Apostolic succession. Second Timothy one thirteen. He also says 658 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:11.719 to Timothy and Second Timothy two, you, therefore, my son, 659 00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:13.880 be strong in the grace of Christ. And the things 660 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:17.199 that you have heard from me, these commit to faithful 661 00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:19.760 men who will teach others. Did you hear that the 662 00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.320 things you heard, the oral teaching that I gave you, 663 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.480 commit that to other men, and then they'll pass it down. 664 00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:29.360 That's apostoltics succession. And that's the oral tradition being passed down. 665 00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:31.400 That's what all the church fathers teach. They do not 666 00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:36.320 teach sola scriptureup and even if they did, which they don't, 667 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.840 but even if they did, you don't have the right canon. 668 00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.320 No Protestant believes in the Deutero canon. They all follow 669 00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:46.199 Luther and Calvin and rejecting it. So, by the way, 670 00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:51.559 you wonder why there's higher criticism in Protestant churches across 671 00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:55.760 the whole world, Well, maybe because your founders saw fit 672 00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:57.639 to toss out books they didn't like. 673 00:47:59.800 --> 00:47:59.840 Me. 674 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:04.199 It's not too far to go from that to denying 675 00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:07.719 the rest of the canon. Therefore, brethren, hold faster the 676 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.159 traditions that you were taught by me, whether oral or 677 00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:14.079 by my epistle seking this on. He's two fifteen. Now. 678 00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:16.039 The command then is for both to be passed on, 679 00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:18.719 and both are the word of God. Peter also says this. 680 00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:21.159 He says, you have been born again, not a corruptible seed, 681 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:23.480 but through the word of God, a person which lives 682 00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:26.079 and abides in you forever. And he says the word 683 00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.880 of God is that which was preached to you. And again, 684 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.840 that wasn't just reciting Bible texts, right, because they weren't 685 00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:35.199 sol scriptura. They didn't have a canon. Yet this is 686 00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.639 how stupid it is for Protestants to use all these 687 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.519 texts as if it presupposed soul scriptura. There wasn't a 688 00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:43.320 canon yet when they were writing this. John hadn't even 689 00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:48.119 written The Apocalypse. So Peter understands that the oral preaching 690 00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:50.960 he did was infallible and it was aspired revelation from 691 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.039 God just as much as the written texts were. So 692 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:56.239 you'll get Protestant. Even James White will admit this, and 693 00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:59.039 some of the debates that he does. But this is 694 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:02.440 when you count. When you factor in the fact that 695 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:04.960 other texts of the Bible had not been written yet, 696 00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.400 then the whole Council of God doesn't make any sense 697 00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.920 on their Protestant argument, How could it be the whole 698 00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:13.480 Council of God that Paul is instructing them to follow, 699 00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.360 namely solo scriptura, when the whole Council of God had 700 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:21.400 not been revealed yet it's retarded. We read in Colossians four, 701 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:24.719 salute the brethren who are at Laodicea Nymphis and the 702 00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:26.840 church that is in his house. And when the epistle 703 00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:29.920 shall have been read with you read the Epistle to 704 00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:34.880 the Laodoceans We don't have Paul's Epistle to the Laodioceans. Okay, 705 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:37.880 so even aspects of what Paul taught or wrote have 706 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:41.320 been lost to history in God's providence, Now is that 707 00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:43.760 part of the whole council of the Word of God. 708 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:48.239 Protestant now say why he got lost? It doesn't matter. 709 00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:50.880 But again, the point is that there was no canon. 710 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.360 They didn't have a canon. Right. You can't read into 711 00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:58.559 the mind of the first century Church five hundred years, 712 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:01.320 six hundred and seve hundred years before canon came about 713 00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.480 and assume that they're teaching sol scriptura. They're not. Jesus 714 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:09.280 doesn't teach script Jesus refers in many cases to oral tradition, 715 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:13.000 and in many cases in the New Testament, the deteral 716 00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:17.599 Canon is cited. Now, these basic facts completely destroy the 717 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:21.960 Protestant position of sola scriptura, like there's no refuge for 718 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:26.079 any of it, because the entire thing is erected on 719 00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:33.320 stupid assumptions, namely the assumption that anytime I read something 720 00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:36.440 in the New Testament is talking about sola scriptura, which 721 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.719 is the sixty six books of the Protestant Canon that 722 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:49.920 I presuppose. I mean, that's so stupid now we have, 723 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:54.559 let's say, one example from the Early Church, which is 724 00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:59.239 the Council of Gangra. And I believe the council it's 725 00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.400 a local syna, but it just it gives you an 726 00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:04.159 example of the Early Church in the three hundreds. And 727 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.920 I believe the Council of Gangra is reaffirmed at later 728 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:12.079 ecumenical synods if I'm going for memory. But this is 729 00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.239 a local synod of many bishops of the Early Church, 730 00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:19.000 and again about three twenty five. And it goes on 731 00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:23.599 to talk about the necessity of keeping the oral traditions, 732 00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:28.639 of keeping all of what was handed down, and it 733 00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:31.800 talks about discipline in the church and the tradition of 734 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:33.519 discipline in the Church. It was already, by the way 735 00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:36.159 the Apostolic Canons. If you read the Church Fathers, or 736 00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:37.599 if you have the Church Fathers say, you'll see that 737 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:40.280 the volume on the Apostolic Canons, this is the normative 738 00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:43.920 approach of the Early Church to doctrinal questions that came up. 739 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:50.320 By the way, it excludes effeminate dresses, for men don't 740 00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:56.920 dress eminently, but it says, make sure in all things 741 00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.400 that what we've been delivered in the Holy Scriptures and 742 00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:05.119 in the APIs traditions are observed in the churches. Now 743 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.960 you can go with the stupid you know, seven day 744 00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:11.800 av in this type nonsense of saying, oh, well that's 745 00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:16.719 three hundred. That's around when Constantine he messed the church up. 746 00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:19.320 That's when it got messed up. I s when the 747 00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:23.760 system of Antichrist entered the church. Well, Jesus says, the 748 00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:26.440 gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church. And 749 00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:28.760 there were no Baptists in the third third century, There 750 00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:30.400 were no Baptists in the fourth century, there were no 751 00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:32.320 Baptists in the fifth century. There were no Baptists in 752 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:35.559 the sixth century, except for heretics who had very similar 753 00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:40.400 views to the Baptists, right, the Rebaptizers as they originally 754 00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:45.880 called the Anabaptists. Right. So the early Church in countless examples, 755 00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:48.119 and again you can read my essay just for a 756 00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:57.440 few examples will affirm the necessity of keeping the Apostolic traditions. Now, 757 00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:00.280 if we look at for example, Nicea, which as an 758 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:05.079 important canon excuse me, counsel, when it came to determining 759 00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:16.199 the canon, it would it would be important. We do 760 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:24.400 not find anything resembling Protestantism in the many Canons of Nicea. 761 00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:31.039 We find Constantine making Nicia civil law. According to page 762 00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:35.719 eight of the chef set, we find baptismal regeneration taught. 763 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:39.360 In Canon two, we're told that there's no immediate episcopacy 764 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:45.280 allowed for converts. Episcopacy that's bishoprics. Now, every Baptist, by 765 00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:48.800 the way, it will affirm that they believe in the Niceno, 766 00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:52.119 constant and Apolitan creed because it teaches the deity of Christ. 767 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.320 But now wait a minute, all these people who they 768 00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:57.079 believe teach the deed of Christ, they teach all this 769 00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:01.840 Catholic stuff that I'm talking about, and Athletic can be Orthodox, right, 770 00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:07.800 we are Orthodox Catholics. Canon three talks about clerical celibacy, 771 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:12.599 that there was a widely established practice of clerical celibacy. 772 00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:16.239 It also wasn't enforced by the way Roman Catholics. Canon 773 00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:18.760 five talks about lynt and it talks about the Eucharist 774 00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:24.880 as an offering. Canon six talks about the major Metropolitans 775 00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:28.360 and the raising and lowering of certain jurisdictions, and how 776 00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.280 it is a custom for the Bishop of Rome to 777 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:33.639 have the first among equals status. So, by the way, 778 00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:37.559 every Orthodox person, for a thousand years knew what Canon 779 00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:39.719 six of Nicia says and has nothing to do with 780 00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:43.079 papal supremacy. What does it say is the reason for 781 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:48.559 Rome being mentioned a custom, a tradition. It doesn't say 782 00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:53.440 anything about magical petrine supremacy. It says that Rome because 783 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:56.119 it's doubly apostolic. If you look at every Orthodox icon 784 00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:59.039 of Rome, it's the Church of Rome, it's Peter and Paul, 785 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.679 and they're both equal holding of the church. That's why 786 00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:05.400 Santa Renas calls it doubly apostolic. And he says it's 787 00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.199 to be followed because they teach rightly. He doesn't say 788 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:11.960 it's magically delicious. He doesn't say that has a magical 789 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:17.480 terrorism of Matthew sixteen. No, it's called in Canon six 790 00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:21.599 of Nicea a tradition. It's a tradition to have the 791 00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:25.440 honor given to the Roman bishop and then after him. Likewise, 792 00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:28.800 it says, did you know likewise, so listen to this. 793 00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:33.400 The Bishop of Rome is to have jurisdiction like Alexandria, 794 00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:39.199 and likewise Antioch and the other provinces retain their traditional privileges. 795 00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:47.360 It's customary they have limited jurisdictions. The jurisdiction of Rome 796 00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:52.039 is likewise a limited jurisdiction of Antioch and the others. 797 00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:56.559 And everybody who's honest with Nicia knows that they didn't 798 00:55:56.559 --> 00:56:00.880 think Rome was what Vatican one says. Do you think 799 00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:04.320 that at Vatican one, the exact same mindset of what's 800 00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.280 going on at Nicia was that it translates. Of course 801 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:11.679 it doesn't. Do you think that, Nicea they thought that 802 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.960 the Bishop of Rome could depose anyone in the world. 803 00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:21.000 Of course not. That's because he's a Roman patriarch. And 804 00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:25.639 the Canon seven makes this clear. When Canon seven and 805 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:31.000 Icia says that it is a custom about the Bishop 806 00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:37.119 of Jerusalem, these are customs. Canon eight is about the 807 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:43.639 ordination of novations being valid. In other words, all of 808 00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:46.719 this is a million miles away from anything Protestant or Baptist. 809 00:56:53.159 --> 00:57:01.519 Canon eleven is about the sacrifice of the Eucharist. Canon 810 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:03.760 twelve says that you can be in the military. There's 811 00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:07.199 nothing Unchristian about being in the military, which disproves pacifists. 812 00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:13.599 By the way. Canon thirteen is about ancient canon laws 813 00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:17.519 that retain to the reception of the Eucharist from the 814 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:22.440 bishop at death. You know, any Baptists to do that. 815 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:28.960 I don't never heard of that. Let's see Canon eighteen 816 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.039 is about the offering of the body and blood of 817 00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:34.519 Christ on the altar. Wow. Anyway, there's more canons, but 818 00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:36.920 you get the point here. The point is that every 819 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:41.800 Baptist on the one hand, or Protestant or whoever, doesn't 820 00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:43.639 have to be out to somebody's using them as an example. 821 00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:47.079 They will refer to Nicea as something that is the 822 00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:52.519 you know, the great pinnacle of church fathers, defending the 823 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:57.119 deity of Christ against arias right. And every Baptist believes 824 00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:02.079 that Jesus is divine. Well, they're supposed to, and they 825 00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:07.599 tend to believe in the creed of Nicea and Constantinople One, 826 00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:12.880 hence the Niceno Constantinopolitan creed. But in fact, when we 827 00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:18.199 read what the mindset of all of these Orthodox Catholics was, 828 00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:24.079 they would not hesitate to call these people lunatics, idolators, 829 00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:29.000 and pagans, which the early Reformers did. So there's nothing 830 00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:33.119 at all about this council and these canons that is 831 00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:38.760 all favorable to anything Protestant whatsoever. Now, in response to this, 832 00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:40.559 most of the time the protests say, yes, we know 833 00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:43.719 that We don't care about your man made councils. Dude. 834 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:47.320 Now wait a minute, you don't care about man made councils. 835 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:53.360 But how the canon of Scripture come to be? Where 836 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:57.440 did it come from? It came from these councils, and 837 00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:02.039 not just one of them, many centuries. Well, I'm going 838 00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:04.840 to trust that God led these men to put the 839 00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.159 can Wait wait a minute, you believe they're all idolators 840 00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:13.000 and and and phonies. They're apostates, they're the Church of 841 00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:16.519 Anti crash. But they put the Bible together. This is 842 00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:26.960 other utterly retarded. This is nonsense. Now I want to 843 00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:30.599 look here briefly at a couple more points on the 844 00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:36.360 canon here. Uh, and I have reputation of the prostant 845 00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:38.920 Canona Scripture, which is a very scholarly work that I 846 00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:43.599 did about twelve years ago, ten years ago somewhere in there. Uh, 847 00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:49.719 and we look through you know, if if let's tell 848 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.559 what I did in this this uh. This article was 849 00:59:53.400 --> 01:00:00.079 a Protestant, famous Protestant Ian Paisley who says that the 850 01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:03.199 Jews did not accept the dudoconical books. Let's go with 851 01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:06.199 his first argument, they were not part of the oracles 852 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:08.960 committed unto them Romans three to two. Therefore they are 853 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:12.639 not written in Hebrew. This is false. Paisley makes no 854 01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:16.360 distinction between Jews of the Diaspora and Palestinian Jews. Palsinian 855 01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:19.800 Jews eventually rejected the Septuagent, which is the Greek version 856 01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.519 of the Old Testament composed in the second third century 857 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.599 b c. At Alexandria. It is well known that the 858 01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:30.679 Septuagent was the Bible of the Diaspora Jews of and 859 01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:35.559 the Bible of all the early Church, the Old Testament Bible. Furthermore, 860 01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:39.480 it's also a fact that the Septuagent contained the Dudoconical books. So, 861 01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:42.679 for example, if you look at Oxford Church historian Paul 862 01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:46.360 Johnson in his book History of Christianity quote, there was 863 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:50.199 already in the first century a huge Jewish diaspora in 864 01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:53.679 the Mediterranean, and they utilized the Greek adaptation of the 865 01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:56.960 Old Testament, the Septugent, which was composed in Alexandria and 866 01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:00.920 used amongst the diaspora. Lee McDonald that are referenced earlier 867 01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:03.679 says in the formation of the Christian Biblical canon, it 868 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:06.119 is most likely that these dud Chonical books were considered 869 01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.679 by the Jewish community holy or sacred well before the 870 01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:11.920 time of Christ, and they were thus inherited from Judaism. 871 01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:13.639 There is evidence that at least some of the non 872 01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:16.079 canonical books of Protestantism had their origin in the land 873 01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.920 of Israel, and were translated and transported there from Israel 874 01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:23.440 to Alexandria. Probably whether the Jews lived in significant numbers 875 01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:26.519 where they lived in Roman Empire. The grandson of Ben Syak, 876 01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:29.079 that is, the writer of the book Ecclesiasticus, lets us 877 01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:31.639 know that he was translating for Jews in Alexandria. The 878 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:35.639 New Testament also has countless allusions to the judo canonical books. 879 01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:38.800 Did you hear that the New Testament has countless Of 880 01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:41.360 course it does. Anybody who reads about it knows that 881 01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:49.239 the oldest collections of the Old Testament scriptures by the 882 01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:52.400 early Church contain the Duchonic literature. Of course it does. 883 01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:59.800 Fassett's Bible Dictionary the Protestant Text. Protestant Dictionary says apocrypha 884 01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:02.679 the writings in the Septuagent first and second Ezra Tobad, 885 01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:07.039 Judith Esther Wisdom, Ecclesiaskus, Barrack, Song of the Children, Susannah Bell, 886 01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:11.960 and the Dragon. The Protestant in Nelson's Christian Dictionary says 887 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:15.199 the Septuagiant incorporates all of the Dudo chronical books, with 888 01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:18.840 the exception of Second Esdras, and they are not differentiated 889 01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:21.960 from any of the other Old Testament books in the 890 01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:26.559 Septuagent I mentioned F. F. Bruce earlier in his book 891 01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:30.840 Kenneth Scripture, he writes, whatever wording of Stephen's defense in 892 01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:34.920 Acts seven may owe to the narrator, the cons consistency 893 01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:37.719 with which the biblical quotations are read from Stephen in 894 01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:41.119 Act seven are from the septuagent. As soon as the 895 01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:43.719 Gospel was carried into the Greek speaking world, the Septuagint 896 01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:46.239 came into its own as the sacred text to which 897 01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:49.960 the preachers would appeal. It was used in the Greek 898 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:56.119 speaking synagogues throughout the Roman Empire. Protestant patristics scholar J. N. D. Kelly, 899 01:02:56.199 --> 01:02:59.480 Anglican writes in his famous Early Christian Doctor's Book, it 900 01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:02.199 should be of the Old Testament, thus admitted authoritative in 901 01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:06.800 the Church, a different canon from the masoretic Palestinian Jewish canon. 902 01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:09.719 Of course, it did, and the Protestants all follow the 903 01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:14.400 Palestinian Jewish canon. It was always included with varying degrees 904 01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:18.239 in the so called apocrypha or the dudocononical books. This 905 01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:20.239 is the reason for this is that the Old Testament 906 01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:22.400 which passed into the hands of the Early Church was 907 01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:25.000 not the masoretic Hebrew text, but the Greek text known 908 01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:29.480 as the Subtuagin. There you go. F. F. Bruce writes, 909 01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:32.880 Yeshua bin Syra was in Egypt in one thirty two BC, 910 01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:36.320 and he translated his book The Wisdom of Ecclesiasticus or Syric, 911 01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:41.119 from Hebrew into Greek. Lee MacDonald again writes that the 912 01:03:41.199 --> 01:03:44.599 dudochroonical books were transported from Israel into from Hebrew and 913 01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:48.119 into Greek at Alexandria, on and on and on and 914 01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:50.840 on and on. Charles Pfiffer's book in the Dead Sea 915 01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:58.000 Scrolls on pages sixteen seventeen says all the same stuff. Now, 916 01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:02.760 Ian Paisley, who I've chosen as just one Goufus evangelical 917 01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:07.000 example of why he thinks he has the right Protestant canon. 918 01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:10.719 His next argument was, the New Testament never quotes the 919 01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:13.559 Deutero canon, and the Early Church never used it. This 920 01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:20.199 is utterly retarded in idiotic. Ecclesiasticus is cited in John 921 01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:25.239 Second John ten Ecclesiasticus eleven thirty one. Ecclesiasticus eleven eighteen 922 01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:29.239 through twenty is cited as in Jesus's Parable of the 923 01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:33.840 Wealthy Farmer Luke twelve nineteen. Jesus' statements about the I 924 01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:36.559 making the whole body dark in Matthew six twenty two 925 01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:39.480 are a reference to ecclesiastic As fourteen eight through eleven. 926 01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:41.920 This is my article I wrote ten years ago. Wisdom 927 01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:45.480 twelve and thirteen are exact parallels to Roma's one Do 928 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.599 you hear me? Wisdom twelve and thirteen exact parallels to 929 01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:54.199 Roma's one. Wisdom two contains a lengthy prophecy of Christ. Wisdom, too, 930 01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:57.199 is a lengthy prophecy of Christ, and the Church fathers 931 01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:00.519 all used it of Christ. Wh I think the Jews 932 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:03.639 rejected the Judo canon because the Church fathers were using 933 01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:06.599 it and the apostles were using it to prove Jesus. 934 01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:11.159 In the Old Testament, Hebrews eleven five eleven thirty five 935 01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:14.079 refers to women and children who refused to be delivered 936 01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:16.800 from death and accepted martyrdom to achieve a better resurrection. 937 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:21.360 This is second Maccabe's Seven Dummies. Now there's a whole 938 01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:26.320 bunch of more examples, but that should suffice. Let's see 939 01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:29.199 from Protestant Jan D. Kelly again, it should be observed 940 01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:31.519 that the Old Testament, thus admitted as authoritative in the Church, 941 01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:35.119 was bulkier and more comprehensive than the Hebrew Canon. It 942 01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:41.760 was the Septuition. And let's see Nelson's Christian Dictionary once again. Protestant. 943 01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:44.599 The early Church fathers Clement of Rome, Clement of Alexandria, 944 01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:49.400 Origin consistently cite the dudoconical books. Christians made extensive use 945 01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:53.760 of them for apologetic purposes because of the text referred here. 946 01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:57.119 They utilize them for the incarnation the logos the Son 947 01:05:57.159 --> 01:06:01.480 of God. However, the Reformation leaders were instrumental in completely 948 01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:05.559 rejecting the duo deudro canon and thus refuse to ascribe 949 01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:08.880 to them the status of Word of God. Now, anyone 950 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:11.360 who spent any time in the post Apostolic Fathers, whether 951 01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:15.880 it's Clement Ignacious Origin, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Cyprian, 952 01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:19.320 they know you will know that they frequently cite the 953 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:22.639 decononical books. So it is athenacious. And these are all 954 01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:27.639 the church fathers who determined the canon. Right, So if 955 01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:30.360 some Guphas says, well who cares what the church father said, Well, 956 01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:32.159 these are the people who determine the canon Guphus. That's 957 01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:38.039 why final Paisley argument. Ian Paisley says, the Synod of Laodicea, 958 01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:41.320 the local synod which many Roman Catholics will refer to, 959 01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:46.039 and the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon do not accept the 960 01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:50.639 dudo canon. Once again, Ian Paisley is completely idiotic and 961 01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:55.760 knows nothing about what he's speaking. Laodicea was a regional synod, 962 01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:59.320 and it was actually a series of synods over many years. 963 01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:03.199 And again, the canons, as we saw from Lee McDonald's 964 01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:05.000 if you read his appendix in his book, there's a 965 01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:06.840 whole list of all the different canon. There's canon, there's 966 01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:09.639 all kinds of different canons. There's not one canon. So 967 01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:12.440 there are some people who doubted the Book of Revelation. 968 01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:14.280 There are people who doubted the Gospel of John. Many 969 01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:17.880 thought the Gospel of John was gnostic, not universally, but 970 01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:22.000 some thought this is dubious. Now we all know today 971 01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:25.480 that This is ridiculous. The Gospel John is not gnostic. 972 01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:28.920 But there were some areas of the church in the 973 01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:31.480 early Church period where people doubted it. People doubted the 974 01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:34.800 Book of Revelation. They thought it was too crazy, too wild. Again, 975 01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:40.840 Athanasius had to convince Rome to include Revelation. So it 976 01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:44.239 really doesn't matter that Ian Paisley finds a list of 977 01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:49.880 a canon in Laodicea where they're not mentioning the Duro canon. Secondly, 978 01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:52.280 the fact that it's not mentioned in the normal list 979 01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:54.360 doesn't mean that they didn't cite from it. That's why 980 01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:57.239 it's called the Duduro canon, right. It doesn't even in 981 01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:01.480 our churches. It's not accorded the same status as the 982 01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:03.719 rest of the text, but it is part of the Bible. 983 01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:06.599 By the way, you have to read first and second 984 01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:10.320 Maccabees to properly understand preterism. If you don't read Versts 985 01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:13.119 Second Macabees, you can't understand the Book of Daniel and 986 01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:17.439 Ezra Ezra also Verst and second Asdris. That helps vindicate 987 01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:21.119 the timeline of what Daniel talks about in his prophecies. 988 01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:24.920 So it's only shooting yourself in the foot and doing 989 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:28.399 damage to your own religion when you toss these books out, 990 01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:34.039 because those books actually help vindicate preterism and the destruction 991 01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:38.960 of the temple in seventy eight. And by the way, 992 01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:41.399 if you read the Orthodox Study Bible, you get all that. 993 01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:46.439 All of that is in the study notes under the 994 01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:50.279 deduoconomical books. If you read through the entire Orthodox Study Bible, 995 01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:52.359 you will get all this. You will understand why it 996 01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:56.039 is the Deudero Canon is there. It's there for historical 997 01:08:56.079 --> 01:09:00.760 testimony to the theological points and timeline of things like Daniel, 998 01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:04.560 the prophecies of Daniel. Now this is look at let's 999 01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:07.960 look at how stupid this is. Leo, the Great Pope, 1000 01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:12.399 Saint Leo at Chalcedon frequently cites the dudoconical books as scripture. 1001 01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:14.560 And this is one of the key arguments that Ian 1002 01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:18.560 Paisley thinks proves the Dudero Canon isn't scripture. By the way, 1003 01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:22.800 why is he citing Catholic Orthodox Catholic synods to prove 1004 01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:26.640 his point that itself disproves him because he doesn't accept 1005 01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:34.119 their authority. Another point, too, is that the Senator of 1006 01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:37.159 Leo Deicia is one of these many synods that does 1007 01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:41.359 not accept the Book of Revelation at scripture. Oops, So 1008 01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:43.840 that doesn't work, does it? No, Because we don't go 1009 01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:46.720 by what one local synod you know, in the year 1010 01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:50.880 three point forty one decided about the scripture in the Canon, 1011 01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:56.399 and nor does Ian Paisley and his goofy examples here. 1012 01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:04.239 And when we think about the Council of Chalcedon, why 1013 01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:08.319 would we cite Chalcedon. Calcedon speaks of the Bishop of 1014 01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:14.439 Rome as the first patriarchate along with Alexandria. It speaks 1015 01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:18.600 of apostolic succession, It speaks of the canons and councils 1016 01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:22.479 that teach apostolic succession. It speaks of hierarchy, it speaks 1017 01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:26.640 of monasticism, tradition, et cetera, et cetera. There's nothing Protestant 1018 01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:29.560 about that. How are you going to use that in 1019 01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:37.039 your dumb arguments? So thus, and much more could be 1020 01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:41.520 said on this, but the point is that it's easy 1021 01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:45.079 to operate on assumptions and think that you're right and 1022 01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:46.840 think that you know what you're talking about about the 1023 01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:50.079 church fathers or the history or how this happened. But 1024 01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:52.039 that's very different from when you actually go and you 1025 01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:55.279 read the Church fathers. When you spend thirteen years reading them, 1026 01:10:56.359 --> 01:10:59.239 then you start to realize that not only were they 1027 01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:04.520 not Protestant, teach anything anything Protestant, anything approaching close to Protestantism. 1028 01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.760 And if we just let's if we consider this historically. 1029 01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:20.159 I'll show you this very boring book by Alistair McGrath, 1030 01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:22.880 which I did read a long time ago, back when 1031 01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:27.840 I was still Protestant. I think it was right around 1032 01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:30.159 the time I was leaving Protestantism. This came out somewhere 1033 01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:35.119 in there. But this very boring book is funny because 1034 01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:41.520 here you have a Protestant basically doing historical theology, Alster 1035 01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:48.359 McGrath's Eustacia Day, and it's about how nobody taught justification 1036 01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:56.760 by faith alone. Oops, no orthodox father, no Western Church father, 1037 01:11:57.520 --> 01:12:07.399 no far Church writer, no liturgy, nobody. Now, goofy evangelicals say, 1038 01:12:07.479 --> 01:12:10.560 so what the church? The church went into a blackout? 1039 01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:13.000 Excuse me? I thought, the gates of Hell can't Preveilicans 1040 01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:16.039 the church. Uh. And by the way, so where was 1041 01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:20.159 this doctrine? Who who was there that taught this? Well 1042 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:21.840 some of them will say, well, they were there, We 1043 01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:25.479 just we don't have any evidence of the true Baptist 1044 01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:32.239 believers of you know, first Baptist Church of Laodicea and 1045 01:12:32.439 --> 01:12:36.279 two hundred a d. But they were there. There, there 1046 01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:39.359 was a Blood River Baptist Church in Rome, and they 1047 01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:41.439 were hidden, and they were in the catacombs. It was 1048 01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:44.399 a secret church because they were being persecuted. Now, wait 1049 01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:48.680 a minute, No, in the first three hundred years of 1050 01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:50.680 the church, all the people who were the Orthodox Church 1051 01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:55.319 fathers were being persecuted. The Baptist gufuss were not being persecuted, 1052 01:12:56.199 --> 01:12:59.199 namely because they didn't hardly exist if you want to 1053 01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:02.960 link them to heretical group. So the point is is 1054 01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:10.520 that this has been well documented amongst the Orthodox Church 1055 01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:17.720 fathers and amongst Protestant scholars and academics of the history 1056 01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:21.720 of the Church and history of theology, that the early 1057 01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:27.680 Church doctrines are not the Protestant doctrines. So we know 1058 01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:30.359 that they didn't have solo scriptura. We know they didn't 1059 01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:39.279 have solo fide, which are the hallmarks of the prostant Reformation. Also, 1060 01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:45.960 by the way, I want to there's a series that 1061 01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:48.840 I would recommend if you want to go down the 1062 01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:56.600 route of getting deeper into this. I have I think 1063 01:13:56.640 --> 01:14:00.640 I've read almost all of Pelican's books pelican Yuros of Pelicon, 1064 01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:09.439 but his the best history of theology is probably you know, 1065 01:14:09.439 --> 01:14:11.600 if you don't want to immediately dive into all the 1066 01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:13.760 writings of the Church Fathers, which I would actually recommend 1067 01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:17.119 that above, most people just start reading secondhand scholars. Why 1068 01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:21.239 aren't you reading the actual Church fathers? You know, same 1069 01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:23.439 idea of the Bible. You read the actual Bible and 1070 01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:28.720 the Church Fathers for yourself. That's not Protestant. It's not 1071 01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:32.319 any more Protestant than when Roman Catholics go read the 1072 01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:38.840 posts for themselves. Is that Protestant? So Pelicon series is 1073 01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:42.000 a classic. I read this ten years ago, the Formation 1074 01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:48.359 of the Catholic Tradition volume one, and then you can't 1075 01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:50.319 see volume two on here. But then it goes up 1076 01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:56.560 to medieval and then Reformation and then modern is Jesus book. Sorry, 1077 01:14:56.760 --> 01:14:59.239 he has a book on the Canon two that's not bad. 1078 01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:04.159 Shows that, you know, the Protestant conception of how the 1079 01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:10.319 Canon came about is nonsense. But Pelicana eventually ended up Orthodox. Actually, 1080 01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:15.039 if I recall, he was a Lutheran who converted to Orthodoxy. 1081 01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:18.399 So that is a good series if you want a 1082 01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:24.039 scholarly approach to the history of theology. Right, So there's 1083 01:15:24.079 --> 01:15:27.039 different kinds of theology. Right. There's patristics, which is the 1084 01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:29.319 writings of the church fathers themselves, or the lives of 1085 01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:32.399 the Church fathers or will it really lives of the 1086 01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:37.399 Church fathers would be hagiography, lives of the saints. There's 1087 01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:40.479 also church history, which is not necessarily the history of theology. 1088 01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:43.920 But you know the Ecumenical Councils book that I have 1089 01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:46.600 here with me. This would be like you know, canonics 1090 01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:57.960 or that would be like studying church history basically, and 1091 01:15:58.039 --> 01:16:02.159 obviously there's some overlap. But then there's also the history 1092 01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:06.840 historical theology, and that would be what Pelican's series is 1093 01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:12.640 historical theology. So if you want a theological overview of 1094 01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:14.680 the history of the Church, then I would read his 1095 01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:26.359 five volume series. Now, the point here was to show 1096 01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:29.439 essentially that just in the in the terms of the 1097 01:16:29.439 --> 01:16:33.119 Solas in Sola Scripture, was to show that the Bible 1098 01:16:33.159 --> 01:16:35.720 doesn't operate in a vacuum. It does it doesn't come 1099 01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:40.079 to you outside of a historical context and outside of 1100 01:16:40.119 --> 01:16:43.680 the liturgy. The Bible is actually a liturgical document, and 1101 01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:46.039 it was meant to be read. This is why all 1102 01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:49.159 of the church fathers, or excuse me, that's why the 1103 01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:51.640 apostles talk about the Word of God, which you heard 1104 01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:55.720 from us, right, So it's it's a it's an oral proclamation. 1105 01:16:56.920 --> 01:16:59.399 Certainly the texts are written, and certainly they should be 1106 01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:04.359 read and must be read, but they cannot be divorced 1107 01:17:04.359 --> 01:17:06.640 from the church. This is why Paul says to Timothy, 1108 01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:08.840 the Church is the pillar and ground of truth. He 1109 01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:11.159 does not say the Bible is the pillar and ground 1110 01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:16.560 of truth. He says the institutional historical church. And this 1111 01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:19.680 is why when we begin to move into reading the 1112 01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:22.760 church fathers, when we read Ignatius, when we read Aaronaeus, 1113 01:17:22.840 --> 01:17:27.720 when we read Clement, when we read Ambrose, when we 1114 01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:30.399 read Augusta, and when we read Jerome, we find that 1115 01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:34.239 they don't teach anything approaching Protestantism, none of them at all. 1116 01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:38.920 They all teach Apostolic succession, They all teach Abstock tradition, 1117 01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:43.279 they all cite the Dudo Canon. They all believe in 1118 01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:49.399 synodal church government and ecumenical councils. Eventually, on and on 1119 01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:53.880 and on the point being the fathers of our church, right, 1120 01:17:55.800 --> 01:18:00.000 they do not teach Protestantism. They don't teach any aspect 1121 01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:06.279 the Protestantism. Now, one thing they do teach is that 1122 01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:10.239 you can, in the context of the Church read the Bible. 1123 01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:17.119 And there were periods in the post Tridentine era of 1124 01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:21.359 Roman Catholicism where Rome did try to forbid people reading 1125 01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:25.439 the Bible, mainly because they wanted to be fair to Rome. 1126 01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:29.800 They were trying to protect protect against faulty Protestant translations, 1127 01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:33.920 which there were actually many Protestant translations of the Bible 1128 01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:39.680 after the first Bible translated into English. By the way, 1129 01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:43.520 it was a Catholic Bible, but the Tyndale Bible and 1130 01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:50.560 other others were fairly notorious for not being very good. Yes, 1131 01:18:50.680 --> 01:18:54.039 Calvin does the Judoo canon I've read, I've read the 1132 01:18:54.199 --> 01:19:01.600 entire Calvin's Institutes fifty fifteen, fifty nine whatever. The later 1133 01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:04.239 one is, the two volume one, but Calvin does not 1134 01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:12.000 rank them as canonical. All right, now we're going to 1135 01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:17.000 move on to the point here was that what this 1136 01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:21.800 is how we have to approach the questions of how 1137 01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:24.199 the Bible came to be before we can try to 1138 01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:28.600 just assume and claim that we have the right Bible. 1139 01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:31.600 Because if the Protestants don't have the right canon, then 1140 01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:40.680 sol scripture doesn't work, and they don't and if, for example, Wisdom. 1141 01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:42.720 I remember having a Protestant friend I used to argue 1142 01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:48.399 with old Time and you finally got furious because, well, 1143 01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:54.159 you believe that if something is prophetic and preaches Christ, 1144 01:19:55.079 --> 01:19:57.159 then it's inspired, right And he said yeah. And I said, well, 1145 01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:00.760 do you think Wisdom predicts Christ in the text that 1146 01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:03.319 I mentioned earlier? He said, yeah, it does seem like 1147 01:20:03.359 --> 01:20:07.039 that's predicting Christ. And everybody admits that was written before 1148 01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:09.880 the birth of Christ. I was like, well, how come 1149 01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:14.359 that's not in your canon? He said, well, the providence 1150 01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:16.399 of God determined that it would not be in the canon. 1151 01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:19.640 I said, well, who were the instruments of the providence 1152 01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:21.920 of God? Well it was the historic Church. But that 1153 01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:24.239 doesn't mean that they're right about everything. Oh okay, so 1154 01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:28.000 I will follow the Church in the selection of the 1155 01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:31.800 book that I think is inspired on everything else. However, though, 1156 01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:33.960 I'm going to go to the book that they gave 1157 01:20:34.079 --> 01:20:36.760 me to determine that I don't think that they are 1158 01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:42.159 the church. It really makes no sense at all. But 1159 01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:45.000 if this guy were to admit that I was right. 1160 01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:49.319 Guess what. He couldn't be getting his Protestant pastor paycheck anymore, 1161 01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:51.840 could he. No, he would be kicked out of his 1162 01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:55.840 made up Protestant sect, which was quite literally a denomination 1163 01:20:55.960 --> 01:21:03.880 invented within the last ten years. So Luthor didn't convert 1164 01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:05.880 to Orthodoxy because he wasn't Orthodox. He was a man 1165 01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:08.640 of Quean and he did not believe in the Orthodox 1166 01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:17.640 inception of salvation. That's one Luther didn't become Orthodox, all right. 1167 01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:21.479 So before we move on to the next section, here 1168 01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:27.800 we mentioned a couple solas here, let's talk about let's 1169 01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:48.039 do some of these super chazz while they're here. Anthony 1170 01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:52.880 Cavalho ten dollars? Are you too white to grab early shekels? 1171 01:21:52.920 --> 01:21:55.279 Or do you have enough in you to go for 1172 01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:57.920 the gold? Ha ha haha, Thank you, Anthony, appreciate that. 1173 01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:08.399 Benjamin and Green on Angry Gnostic five New Zealand dollars, 1174 01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:12.279 Process House Sola, Scripture Calxi of Magisterium. What is the 1175 01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:17.640 bonding authority in Orthodoxy? Well, this is why Orthodoxy doesn't 1176 01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:25.159 attempt to create a single external juridical authority, because that 1177 01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:30.880 doesn't work as a In other words, our worldview is 1178 01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:36.760 based on transcendent truths, right, And when you talk to 1179 01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:39.279 a Protestant or when you talk to Roman Catholic, they're both, 1180 01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:42.720 as we said earlier, trying to essentially erect some kind 1181 01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:45.840 of public juridical thing that everybody could point to to say, 1182 01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:49.239 there it is. That's the final deciding factor there. And 1183 01:22:49.319 --> 01:22:51.479 we know because it's public and everybody can see it. 1184 01:22:52.079 --> 01:22:54.159 But as we said, all that does is move the 1185 01:22:54.199 --> 01:22:58.199 problem back a step. Right, And having spent ten years 1186 01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:00.520 in Rome, I know how it works. I can attest 1187 01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:03.560 to that fact because as soon as you start trying 1188 01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:07.119 to figure out who's interpreting the popes or the councils 1189 01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:10.279 correctly in Rome, there's a million different debates and nobody 1190 01:23:10.279 --> 01:23:12.880 can know, nobody can decide for sure. And it doesn't 1191 01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:16.239 matter how many times the pope reaffirms something or restates something. 1192 01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:19.399 You have to still assume that you are properly reading 1193 01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:23.079 the pope. You see. So this is a problem of 1194 01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:27.760 circularity that the Roman Catholic epistemology thought it could solve 1195 01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:31.840 by just adhering to classical foundationalism, right. And this is 1196 01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:37.239 the older medieval entomistic way of viewing human anthropology in 1197 01:23:37.319 --> 01:23:41.560 human nature. It's called classical foundationalism. That's why I mentioned 1198 01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:45.920 it a minute ago. I'm getting a echo here. Let 1199 01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:51.960 me fix that. So I mean, let's draw some come 1200 01:23:52.000 --> 01:24:06.399 on now, okay, so we have I'm drum a little 1201 01:24:07.319 --> 01:24:19.319 pope figure. So here's our here's our little pope figure 1202 01:24:19.359 --> 01:24:28.720 here with his xis. Okay, all right, make sure my 1203 01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:31.960 he's getting some feedback there. Had to fix that. So 1204 01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:35.720 here's our little pope figure. And here's a little We're 1205 01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:40.399 gonna put a little lowly normy Roman Catholic guy here. Now, 1206 01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:44.079 Pope figure just decides one day that it is time 1207 01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:50.279 for an infallible declaration. Now he doesn't just simply cite 1208 01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:52.680 in the document that it is infallible, which would make 1209 01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:54.720 it pretty easy for everybody wouldn't know. What he does 1210 01:24:54.840 --> 01:25:00.239 is he says that with full apostolic authority, uh, from 1211 01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:05.520 the chair right here, he's gonna be proclaiming it in 1212 01:25:05.560 --> 01:25:09.439 his proclamation bubble, I decree blah blah blah blah blah 1213 01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:11.960 blahlah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then later 1214 01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:19.800 he issues an encyclical that helps interpret this. And then 1215 01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:25.479 later there's I don't know another, the Congregation for the 1216 01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:28.479 Doctrine of the Faith issues a proclamation that helps interpret this, 1217 01:25:29.399 --> 01:25:33.000 and then later there's another I don't know, papal whatever, 1218 01:25:33.079 --> 01:25:35.399 it doesn't matter. Just come up with all the different 1219 01:25:35.479 --> 01:25:43.199 layers and levels PC papal claim clarification, papal claim clarification. 1220 01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:47.239 Now let's say this is how because also works. I'm 1221 01:25:47.239 --> 01:25:52.880 not I'm not joking, right, this is really how it works. Okay, Now, 1222 01:25:54.640 --> 01:25:58.800 what is what is necessary for something to be ex 1223 01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:02.800 cathedral from the chair? Well, it's for the whole universal Church. 1224 01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:05.720 It's proclaim a full Apostolic authority right from the chair 1225 01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:12.119 and supposedly or I'll put an inverted cross on him here, 1226 01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:17.119 since they they love those inverted crosses in Rome just 1227 01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:21.399 because of Peter. Ye're right. Now, here's mister lowly little 1228 01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:24.319 Catholic guy here, And I'm not joking. This is how 1229 01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:26.600 comical it is in the world of Rome. About Now, 1230 01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:29.840 how are you going to understand this miasma, which, by 1231 01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:33.119 the way, cannot actually be understood without being situated within 1232 01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:37.479 the last two thousand years of supposed Roman dogma? Right, 1233 01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:40.840 this is on the Catholic view, right, So you need 1234 01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:42.920 a little bit of context of the last two thousand years, 1235 01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:49.960 don't you to understand from the Apostolic seat chair Proclamation xxxx, 1236 01:26:50.039 --> 01:26:55.000 which is also clarified in encyclical BCD, which is also 1237 01:26:55.039 --> 01:26:57.399 clarified by the Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith with 1238 01:26:57.560 --> 01:27:00.159 Ratzinger as its head supposedly years ago. With all so 1239 01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:03.399 then the papal clarification that comes later down the road, 1240 01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:07.319 and here's a you lowly little Roman guy, and you 1241 01:27:07.399 --> 01:27:11.319 think we just need the pope to solve these questions 1242 01:27:11.319 --> 01:27:16.039 of theology. It solves it, does it? Really? But see 1243 01:27:16.079 --> 01:27:20.239 what we've already done is we've introduced the mysterious chair 1244 01:27:20.359 --> 01:27:25.119 of authority that isn't always made clear when and yes, 1245 01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:28.920 Roman Catholics will debate ad nauseum which statements are ex 1246 01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:31.920 cathedral and which ones aren't, which shows us that this 1247 01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:34.760 whole nonsense doesn't really do anything like it's supposed to. 1248 01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:36.920 It doesn't solve the problems it's supposed to. If we're 1249 01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:40.399 all sitting around for decades debating which ones are the 1250 01:27:40.479 --> 01:27:44.479 ex cathedral pronouncements, that's because it just moves the problem 1251 01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:48.079 back a step? Can you not see that? So here's 1252 01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:49.840 lowly Roman Catholic, Now what does he do. He says, 1253 01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:55.479 all right, I'm gonna interpret this, so in his mind, 1254 01:27:57.159 --> 01:28:01.279 he's got to be sure that the interpretation of all 1255 01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:06.239 this layers of gobbledinggook is proper, properly entering into his 1256 01:28:06.399 --> 01:28:09.760 mind and interpreted correctly. Now, guess what every Roman Catholic 1257 01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:12.079 will tell you to do in this process. Oh, you 1258 01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:14.840 can't just do this. This is kind of this is 1259 01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:17.960 kind of Protestant, bro, it's kind of Protestant going directly 1260 01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:21.760 to these papal proclamations. Assuming that you can figure this out, 1261 01:28:22.039 --> 01:28:24.279 Oh you also need to Before you can do that, 1262 01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:28.239 you need to go talk to your local priest, because 1263 01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:31.920 your priest is there, Father so and so, Father Brute, 1264 01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:35.880 father breath, father Bruce is there to help you. No, no, no, 1265 01:28:35.960 --> 01:28:38.319 you need to go first to Father Bruce, who will 1266 01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:42.760 then interpret this for you to help you. That's not 1267 01:28:42.920 --> 01:28:46.640 really works, right, But now wait a minute. Father Bruce 1268 01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:50.279 is less than Orthodox, right, He's less in the romancallic sense. 1269 01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:52.520 He's less than orthodox. We've all been complaining about Father 1270 01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:56.960 Bruce for so long for having X Y Z heresy. Right, 1271 01:28:57.960 --> 01:28:59.600 So how do we know that Father Bruce is going 1272 01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:02.119 to help us with us? Well, he's probably not. So 1273 01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:04.279 now we're gonna have to ex out Father Bruce because 1274 01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:06.319 we've decided he's not Orthodox. We're gonna have to go 1275 01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:11.279 over here to Bishop Williamson in the SSPX, who's over 1276 01:29:11.319 --> 01:29:17.319 here with his rival group. Maybe Bishop Williamson can help 1277 01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:20.239 us out because he's faithful to tradition and he's not 1278 01:29:20.319 --> 01:29:22.600 afraid to talk about conspiracy subjects. So now we're going 1279 01:29:22.680 --> 01:29:25.119 to ex out Father Bruth and we're going to go 1280 01:29:25.159 --> 01:29:27.520 over here to Bishop Williamson. And Bishop Williamson is going 1281 01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:30.560 to help us interpret this, and he tells us don't 1282 01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:34.239 worry about any of this because this is not faithful 1283 01:29:34.279 --> 01:29:37.199 to tradition. Now wait a minute. You see what we've 1284 01:29:37.239 --> 01:29:41.039 done here is just a vicious, nonsense gobbledegook circle of 1285 01:29:41.079 --> 01:29:45.239 trying to figure out the very thing that this was 1286 01:29:45.279 --> 01:29:49.159 supposed to solve for us. But it doesn't, does it. 1287 01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:57.399 And Vatican two makes that abundantly clear that you are 1288 01:29:57.399 --> 01:30:01.279 in no better spot than the person that you make 1289 01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:04.039 fun of as Orthodox. Yeah, you don't have a pope, 1290 01:30:04.079 --> 01:30:06.520 you don't have a way to determine what the infallible 1291 01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:08.840 dog is. Have you actually been in Rome for any 1292 01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:14.000 number of years neither do you. So that's how Rome 1293 01:30:14.039 --> 01:30:20.399 Catholicism really works, and that's why Orthodoxy says it's a scam. 1294 01:30:21.279 --> 01:30:25.199 It's a big heresy, and it doesn't solve for you 1295 01:30:25.279 --> 01:30:29.199 the problems that it pretends to solve, and it doesn't 1296 01:30:29.199 --> 01:30:33.039 grant the unity that it pretends to grant. I can 1297 01:30:33.079 --> 01:30:35.680 go to a Novus Orto chapel that is in full 1298 01:30:35.720 --> 01:30:39.600 communion with Rome, that has never been excommunicated or rebuked, 1299 01:30:40.279 --> 01:30:42.760 that will teach me freemasonry is good, that will teach 1300 01:30:42.800 --> 01:30:47.239 against Roman Catholic classic doctrines. They'll have a liturgy that's 1301 01:30:47.279 --> 01:30:52.159 worse than an Anglican liturgy. They'll have Zen meditation services, 1302 01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:57.159 and that's perfectly okay. And then I can go across 1303 01:30:57.159 --> 01:31:02.439 the street to a Fraternal Society of Saint Peter Church, 1304 01:31:02.520 --> 01:31:05.239 which is supposed to be the same faith, also in 1305 01:31:05.319 --> 01:31:13.520 communion with Rome, that has a completely different liturgy in Ethos, 1306 01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:18.800 to Zen Buddhist Novasorto Church. And then I can go 1307 01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:20.880 down the road to the set of a contiest chapel 1308 01:31:21.279 --> 01:31:26.199 that says that the other two are complete lunatic heretics. Now, 1309 01:31:26.479 --> 01:31:29.840 who's right out of all these? And guess what you 1310 01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:32.840 can't just say the pope. The pope decides. Now, does 1311 01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:37.359 that mean that we're in Protestant land. No, because when 1312 01:31:37.399 --> 01:31:43.960 you read the church in its first thousand years, when 1313 01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:45.840 they had all the same problems that we have today, 1314 01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:49.760 what do they do do? They just say, hey, Bishop 1315 01:31:49.760 --> 01:31:52.840 of Rome, what do we do? And then the Bishop 1316 01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:58.159 of Rome just basically said do this, do that, do that, 1317 01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:03.760 do that, that that, and then everybody was happy. No, 1318 01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:07.640 they called councils. Did the Bishop of Rome convoke the 1319 01:32:07.640 --> 01:32:10.560 Ecumenical council? No, he did not. The emperor is called 1320 01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:14.760 the ecumenical councils. The emperors called every one of the 1321 01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:21.640 argumenical councils, not the Bishop of Rome. Now, anyway, we're 1322 01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:24.680 not here to talk Rome here today, but we're trying 1323 01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:30.439 to illustrate a point here about the problem of both 1324 01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:38.800 Protestant and Roman Catholic anthropology and epistemology. Now, what's the answer, Well, 1325 01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:45.119 specifically on knowing God in Orthodox theology, the key here 1326 01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:48.680 is that we don't set up dialectics. Okay, so how 1327 01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:51.600 is it is a Christian going to know God or 1328 01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:54.239 no truth? Well, first of all, that can't be divorced 1329 01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:57.039 from the action of the Holy Spirit, right, So in 1330 01:32:57.039 --> 01:33:00.600 that regard, a Protestant would say something like the Holy 1331 01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:02.640 Spirit has to enlighten a person to know God, and 1332 01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:05.479 we would agree. So in that regard we sound like 1333 01:33:05.479 --> 01:33:07.800 we wel might agree with a Protestant, but we're not Protestants. 1334 01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:09.640 Why well, because we know that in the history of 1335 01:33:09.680 --> 01:33:12.079 the Church there are synods and councils that have been 1336 01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:16.239 set up by God to ferret out truth from falsehood, 1337 01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:19.239 to excommunicate people, and so forth. So there we start 1338 01:33:19.239 --> 01:33:22.039 to sound like we're Catholics, right, but we're not. We're 1339 01:33:22.079 --> 01:33:25.720 not either one because we believe the historical formation of 1340 01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:29.600 the Church was always sinodal and that Christ set it 1341 01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:32.079 up that way. And the reason that we don't need 1342 01:33:32.119 --> 01:33:36.399 the super bishop is because Christ directly is the super 1343 01:33:36.439 --> 01:33:39.520 bishop of his church. He doesn't need a vicar on 1344 01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:42.760 earth with a giant palace and a bunch of castrated 1345 01:33:42.800 --> 01:33:45.840 boys singing gay songs to him, which is quite literally 1346 01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:49.079 what the Renaissance popes did, especially when there are three 1347 01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:52.520 of them, two antipopes and one supposedly valid pope, living 1348 01:33:52.520 --> 01:33:56.079 in giant French palaces castrating boys to sing pretty songs 1349 01:33:56.079 --> 01:33:59.000 to them. No who in the right mind could think 1350 01:33:59.079 --> 01:34:01.319 that that is the legiti, I'm a succession of the Apostles. 1351 01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:09.079 That is preposterous. It's it's what the f dude, And 1352 01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:12.319 yes they did that. So, by the way, the abuse 1353 01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:15.680 probably wasn't just in this twentieth cent the twentieth century, 1354 01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:18.640 was it? If they were castrating little boys to sing 1355 01:34:18.680 --> 01:34:21.760 pretty pretty little girl songs to them, something tells me 1356 01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:30.119 those Medici, you know, Borgia characters were pretty degenerate. I 1357 01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:32.720 don't know how Christ in their minds could have anything 1358 01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:36.680 to do with that nonsense. But if you're a Roman Catholic, oh, 1359 01:34:37.039 --> 01:34:41.960 I was way. It was so way it was, and 1360 01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:45.319 that's you know, the pope is the The pope is 1361 01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:49.199 the the bridge between heaven and Earth. And as Unum 1362 01:34:49.239 --> 01:34:52.119 Sanctum calls him like, it's almost like he's like another 1363 01:34:52.840 --> 01:34:56.199 He's like a bridge between the Trinity and man. It's 1364 01:34:56.199 --> 01:35:02.479 the pope utterly blasphemous stuff. So this is why we 1365 01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:07.880 what you have to see is that the doctrine of 1366 01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:12.439 the papacy evolves, and even the Roman Catholics admit it evolved. 1367 01:35:12.439 --> 01:35:14.279 This is why Cardinal Newman had to write a whole 1368 01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:18.920 treatise defending the evolution of doctrine to explain how the 1369 01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:22.840 early Church didn't believe in the Vatican One definitions of 1370 01:35:22.840 --> 01:35:26.359 the papacy. Well, because doctrine evolved to that, that's preposterous, 1371 01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:32.880 doesn't evolve, and only Orthodoxy strives to adhere to the 1372 01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:35.199 ecumenical formation of the Church. Now you say, but there 1373 01:35:35.199 --> 01:35:39.840 haven't been ecumenical councils for Orthodoxy. Correct, There doesn't have 1374 01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:42.239 to be. There's no promise of Christ that there will 1375 01:35:42.279 --> 01:35:45.439 be an ecumenical council every century. There were no ecumenical 1376 01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:47.520 councils for the first three hundred years of the church, 1377 01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:54.079 and Orthodoxy does hold to binding doctrinal councils after the 1378 01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:57.359 Eighth Council, and yes, there are eight ecumenical councils if 1379 01:35:57.399 --> 01:36:04.319 you're Orthodox. Ecumenical only pertained to the Empire, and once 1380 01:36:04.319 --> 01:36:08.920 the Empire was gone, there weren't ecumenical councils. There were 1381 01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:12.159 still binding councils, and every Orthodox person still has to 1382 01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:15.399 follow binding medieval councils. Now you say, how do you 1383 01:36:15.439 --> 01:36:18.399 know which ones are true? Well, that's why there's no 1384 01:36:18.600 --> 01:36:23.000 simple answer to anybody's position about how you know what's 1385 01:36:23.079 --> 01:36:27.479 true and what's false. First of all, the Church we 1386 01:36:27.600 --> 01:36:31.000 know from Christ's words will always be guided into the truth, 1387 01:36:31.039 --> 01:36:33.159 and we won't be let into error when it comes 1388 01:36:33.159 --> 01:36:40.800 to major doctrinal issues. Right. That relies on understanding the scriptures. 1389 01:36:41.319 --> 01:36:43.920 My understanding the scriptures relies on the testimony the Church. 1390 01:36:44.359 --> 01:36:47.079 Me understanding the testimony to the Church, and the scriptures relies 1391 01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:51.960 on my having the spirit hopefully right. And so, in 1392 01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:58.600 other words, there is no classical foundationalists public juridical thing 1393 01:36:58.680 --> 01:37:01.800 that you can set up that is the public proof 1394 01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:07.199 of truth, because truth can't be had by mere empiricism. 1395 01:37:07.319 --> 01:37:10.399 It's not a merely empirical thing. It also requires the spirit, 1396 01:37:10.960 --> 01:37:15.680 and the spirit's only had in the Church. So, in 1397 01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:17.880 other words, there's not an easy answer to that question. 1398 01:37:18.079 --> 01:37:21.079 And it's also not answerable on the phony answers of 1399 01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:25.520 Protestantism and Romanism. Now Protonism and Romanism, if you remember 1400 01:37:25.560 --> 01:37:28.920 earlier we talked about them having Here's how we're going 1401 01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:30.520 to answer the question for you. By the way, the 1402 01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:34.239 answer is direct knowledge of God. That's how. Now you said, now, 1403 01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:35.560 wait a minute, if you believe that you can know 1404 01:37:35.600 --> 01:37:39.119 God directly, now you're starting to sound like a Protestant. Again, 1405 01:37:40.760 --> 01:37:50.079 what do we always talk about avoiding in Orthodoxy dialectics? Right, 1406 01:38:00.920 --> 01:38:04.319 So this is key to understand here, and this is 1407 01:38:04.359 --> 01:38:08.680 what all the Protestants and Roman Catholics don't understand, is 1408 01:38:08.680 --> 01:38:12.159 that you don't need any dialectics. You want to throw 1409 01:38:12.199 --> 01:38:16.279 them all out because you don't want to set the 1410 01:38:16.359 --> 01:38:19.800 one against the many. This is what Protestants do. Roman 1411 01:38:19.840 --> 01:38:22.399 Catholics do it by setting the pope over the church. 1412 01:38:22.800 --> 01:38:25.920 They don't have a harmony of equality in the church. 1413 01:38:26.079 --> 01:38:29.039 They don't have every bishop having essentially the same power 1414 01:38:29.119 --> 01:38:31.960 and function of the rest of the apostles. No, they 1415 01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:36.439 think that Peter is somehow some galactic emperor. Did Peter 1416 01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:39.159 act like a galactic emperor in the New Testament? Did 1417 01:38:39.159 --> 01:38:44.840 he have a giant palace in France with castrated boys 1418 01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:49.119 under him and zillions of dollars? No? No, that's not 1419 01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:53.760 how the church operated. The church is not to be 1420 01:38:53.800 --> 01:38:56.520 set against scripture. Scripture is not to be set against 1421 01:38:56.560 --> 01:38:58.920 the church. That would be a dialectic. The individual believer 1422 01:38:59.039 --> 01:39:01.199 is not set against the rest of the church. The 1423 01:39:01.239 --> 01:39:05.000 rest of the church is not swallowing up the believer. So, 1424 01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:09.479 in other words, the direct knowledge of God that we 1425 01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:13.960 read about in so many Orthodox fathers. The direct experience 1426 01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:19.800 of God via the noos and knowing God is not 1427 01:39:20.359 --> 01:39:25.760 set against church or tradition or community, the community of 1428 01:39:25.760 --> 01:39:28.800 the church, and it's not set against the scriptures. It's 1429 01:39:28.840 --> 01:39:32.560 not a dialectical either war. It all works in harmony. 1430 01:39:32.680 --> 01:39:34.880 The direct knowledge of you that you have of God 1431 01:39:35.399 --> 01:39:38.720 comes through your direct knowledge of God, or it comes 1432 01:39:38.720 --> 01:39:42.239 through the scriptures. Right. We experience these things in all 1433 01:39:42.279 --> 01:39:45.560 of these ways. So in this this is why many 1434 01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:50.000 people speak of Orthodoxy as experiential as existential. That's not 1435 01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:54.760 to equate it with the lunacy of modern existentialist philosophy, 1436 01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:58.800 but rather to say that there really is no external proof, 1437 01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:02.800 just in the same way as in apologetics. We can't 1438 01:40:02.840 --> 01:40:09.800 set up some external earthworm proof that's going to convince 1439 01:40:09.840 --> 01:40:16.319 all the unbelievers of creation, because it's a system wide thing, right, 1440 01:40:16.600 --> 01:40:19.279 and it's all it all kind of coheres together, So 1441 01:40:19.319 --> 01:40:21.079 you can't like take one thing out of it and 1442 01:40:21.079 --> 01:40:23.000 set it up over here and say, look at I'll 1443 01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:24.800 just prove to you the Bible. And if I can 1444 01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:26.439 just prove to you the Bible, then you're gonna then 1445 01:40:26.479 --> 01:40:30.119 you're gonna believe the Bible can't be divorced from the Church. Right. 1446 01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:32.880 The Bible can't be divorced from tradition, the Bible can't 1447 01:40:32.880 --> 01:40:35.479 be divorced from liturgy. None of these things can be 1448 01:40:35.600 --> 01:40:38.239 divorced or taken out of the context of the rest 1449 01:40:38.279 --> 01:40:41.279 of them. And you can't divorce the church from the 1450 01:40:41.399 --> 01:40:47.520 historical experience of the Church. You see, So there's no mental, 1451 01:40:48.199 --> 01:40:53.039 calvinistic spiritual church. That's not the historic church. Okay, there's 1452 01:40:53.039 --> 01:40:57.960 no invisible mystical spiritual church that's not the actual visible 1453 01:40:58.079 --> 01:41:01.640 church of history. All of God's covenants and history were 1454 01:41:01.720 --> 01:41:07.560 visible bodies of people. There's no invisible church. There's only 1455 01:41:07.600 --> 01:41:12.000 one church. That's why Jesus says there's one shepherd and 1456 01:41:12.119 --> 01:41:22.079 one flock. Anyway, so I went way off on that question, 1457 01:41:22.159 --> 01:41:26.960 but hopefully that answers your question there. The answer is 1458 01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:30.520 that Protestants don't know the faith from sola scriptura or 1459 01:41:30.600 --> 01:41:36.239 analogia fide any better than Catholics and their magisterium. Those 1460 01:41:36.279 --> 01:41:38.520 both of those just moved the problem back of stuff, because, 1461 01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:41.840 as we saw in the Protestant tradition, the noetic effects 1462 01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:44.720 of sin have so damaged you that you really can't 1463 01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:48.840 interpret scripture at all properly because you never escape the 1464 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:54.319 noetic effects of sin. In classical Protestantism, you are always 1465 01:41:54.600 --> 01:41:58.399 under the noetic effects of sin, and they are always 1466 01:41:58.479 --> 01:42:02.399 it's always skewing your interpretition. So you can never have 1467 01:42:03.399 --> 01:42:10.039 infallible certitude about any of the doctrines. So, how, by 1468 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:14.479 the way, does any Protestant argue for the transcendental argument? 1469 01:42:14.560 --> 01:42:17.479 How does he argue that God's existence is certain when 1470 01:42:17.479 --> 01:42:22.319 he also confesses the noetic effects of sin? Exactly? Yeah, 1471 01:42:22.920 --> 01:42:26.399 so much for certitude and consistency there. Now, what is 1472 01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:32.119 missing in all of these views, Well, both Roman Catholicism 1473 01:42:32.199 --> 01:42:37.960 and Protestantism long ago dumped the doctrine of the news. 1474 01:42:39.439 --> 01:42:43.199 Only orthodoxeology holds to the essence energy distinction, and only 1475 01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:48.039 orthodoxology holds to proper Christology, And only orthodoxeology holds to 1476 01:42:48.239 --> 01:42:51.159 the news. The doctrine of the news is the faculty 1477 01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:56.000 that man has for knowing God directly. It is the 1478 01:42:56.000 --> 01:42:58.720 eye of the soul, It is the eye of the heart. 1479 01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:03.560 Right the church, fathers and elders and many spiritual writers 1480 01:43:03.560 --> 01:43:05.479 will speak of it in different ways, but they're essentially 1481 01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:09.560 speaking of the same thing. And the news is not 1482 01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:12.800 the same thing as intellect. It's not the same thing 1483 01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:19.920 as ratiocination. Merely rationalizing things are merely having a psyche, 1484 01:43:20.680 --> 01:43:26.000 the soul and the heart functioning in unison with repentance 1485 01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:30.960 and turning to God is what cleanses the news to 1486 01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:35.000 see the world correctly. So man cannot properly interpret his 1487 01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:40.359 world without repentance. Now, this is why you might say, well, 1488 01:43:40.399 --> 01:43:42.560 annoying it, you sound like a Protestant. No, no, we're not 1489 01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:45.319 Protestants because we do not believe in total depravity. We 1490 01:43:45.359 --> 01:43:48.479 do not believe in any of the Protestant doctrines, and 1491 01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:51.800 so we do believe that grace raises man's nature. Oh no, 1492 01:43:51.800 --> 01:43:53.239 wait of it. Now you sound like a Roman Catholic. 1493 01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:55.239 Now we don't. We're not Roman Catholics because we don't 1494 01:43:55.279 --> 01:43:59.159 believe in natural theology. Right, if you read Father's stun 1495 01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:03.079 Eloys book, you will see the first chapter rebukes natural 1496 01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:08.319 theology and critiques Tomism. So we are neither Protestant nor Catholic. 1497 01:44:09.039 --> 01:44:11.119 We have a different view on all of these things, 1498 01:44:11.439 --> 01:44:14.640 and they have different views on all these things. Now, 1499 01:44:14.680 --> 01:44:21.000 the News, as we said, requires a ceasis ascetic practice 1500 01:44:21.199 --> 01:44:23.960 to control the passion, so that the passions don't cloud 1501 01:44:24.039 --> 01:44:26.760 or nows the fall clouded the news, and the news 1502 01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:29.000 is not what Plato talked about. That's something different. We 1503 01:44:29.079 --> 01:44:31.119 just simply believe that when Paul says, and this is 1504 01:44:31.159 --> 01:44:35.960 what Saint Gregory Palamos when he quotes Paul, that man's 1505 01:44:36.119 --> 01:44:42.159 faculties are body, soul, and spirit. That's noos. Man's spirit 1506 01:44:42.319 --> 01:44:45.359 is his noos. Not exactly the same thing as the 1507 01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:49.720 Holy Spirit. Obviously, because we participate in the energy of 1508 01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:51.720 the Holy Spirit, we are not merged with the person 1509 01:44:51.720 --> 01:44:55.720 of the Holy Spirit. That would be heretical. So what 1510 01:44:55.760 --> 01:44:58.159 I'm getting at is that we don't believe in analogia 1511 01:44:58.199 --> 01:45:00.760 fe day, and we don't believe in analogia, neither the 1512 01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:03.640 Protestant nor the Catholic view of knowing God and knowing 1513 01:45:03.680 --> 01:45:06.640 the world and knowing the scriptures. We believe in the 1514 01:45:06.680 --> 01:45:13.319 power of the news. And you will find at Orthodox 1515 01:45:13.399 --> 01:45:23.760 Info good site. There are multiple essays there on the news. 1516 01:45:28.920 --> 01:45:41.880 Let's see if this is the one I'm looking for here. Yeah, well, 1517 01:45:43.399 --> 01:45:46.640 there's one at Ortho Christian by Father Whitford that's pretty good. 1518 01:45:49.760 --> 01:45:51.960 But this is this is important because this is a 1519 01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:58.760 different anthropology, you see, and it is nowhere in Rome 1520 01:45:59.720 --> 01:46:03.119 and is nowhere in Protestanism. So again I'm stressing the 1521 01:46:03.119 --> 01:46:11.800 fact that we have unique different approaches to anthropology, which 1522 01:46:11.800 --> 01:46:19.199 condition why we believe what we do about man and 1523 01:46:19.359 --> 01:46:23.960 man understanding the world and understanding God. So the point 1524 01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:26.399 is that it's neither Protestant nor Catholic, and we don't 1525 01:46:26.439 --> 01:46:32.600 believe in analogia entus or analogia fide. Both positions are 1526 01:46:32.640 --> 01:46:37.520 problematic and essentially corruptions. And the reason that the West 1527 01:46:39.800 --> 01:46:43.119 went with that was because of Augustine. Augustine has essentially 1528 01:46:43.159 --> 01:46:47.439 a dual view of man body and soul, or soul 1529 01:46:47.560 --> 01:46:52.560 essentially becomes equated with intellect. To my knowledge, he does 1530 01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:55.439 not at all teach news that man has a news, 1531 01:46:55.520 --> 01:46:57.359 and that's because he was very influenced by this sort 1532 01:46:57.399 --> 01:47:02.479 of dualistic anthropology of Platanism, the body and soul, right, 1533 01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:05.960 the soul is always fighting against the body, this kind 1534 01:47:05.960 --> 01:47:10.479 of a thing. So anyway, so that's why we don't 1535 01:47:10.640 --> 01:47:13.079 We can't believe in either. So it wouldn't make sense 1536 01:47:13.079 --> 01:47:15.760 to talk about solo scriptura because number one, God is 1537 01:47:15.760 --> 01:47:19.279 not equated with the text Jesus says you follow the 1538 01:47:19.279 --> 01:47:22.039 scriptures because you think that in them you have salvation. 1539 01:47:22.159 --> 01:47:24.720 What it is then that testify of me? Right? The 1540 01:47:24.760 --> 01:47:29.479 scriptures are a letter, They're a text, They're not a person. 1541 01:47:30.199 --> 01:47:33.119 They testify to the relationship that you should have with 1542 01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:36.800 the divine person. That does not mean that they have 1543 01:47:36.960 --> 01:47:44.000 errors to go against the modernists here. All right, let's 1544 01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:47.960 move on to the next question here, Damon Paffen Wrath, 1545 01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:53.159 my grandfather isn't a weird Armstrong at church? He argues 1546 01:47:53.199 --> 01:47:56.680 for worship on Saturday. Yeah, I'm familiar with the garner 1547 01:47:56.760 --> 01:48:01.000 Ted Armstrong cult Worldwide Church of God. They believe they're 1548 01:48:01.039 --> 01:48:06.880 one of the preachers of British Israelite theory. This is 1549 01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:10.199 all just really goofy stuff, and anybody who has any 1550 01:48:10.239 --> 01:48:14.560 knowledge of church history would avoid that nonsense. And in fact, 1551 01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:17.279 I think very recently though they were converted. I think 1552 01:48:17.359 --> 01:48:22.479 James White supposedly converted or helped convert the Armstrong Church 1553 01:48:22.600 --> 01:48:27.239 to his version of the Trinity, which is funny, it's 1554 01:48:27.279 --> 01:48:31.239 not worthodox at all, but it's ironic that I think 1555 01:48:31.319 --> 01:48:33.840 James White claims or he claimed that many years ago, 1556 01:48:33.880 --> 01:48:37.119 ten years ago, so, that he converted the Armstrong Ends 1557 01:48:37.119 --> 01:48:39.640 to because they used to be anti Trinitarian or something 1558 01:48:39.640 --> 01:48:43.600 to that effect. But the reason that we do worship 1559 01:48:43.640 --> 01:48:46.720 on Sunday is because when Jesus resurrected is called the 1560 01:48:46.720 --> 01:48:48.520 Lord's Day, and it's called the first day of the week. 1561 01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:52.680 And in the Book of Acts, the church gathers together 1562 01:48:52.720 --> 01:48:55.560 to break bread, which we believe is the Eucharist. It's 1563 01:48:55.600 --> 01:49:01.279 not just eating cracker snacks. It's not just eating crackers 1564 01:49:01.279 --> 01:49:05.000 and drinking Welch's grape juice like Baptists think. It's actually 1565 01:49:05.119 --> 01:49:10.720 the Eucharist. So that's why we meet on Sunday, and 1566 01:49:10.880 --> 01:49:18.159 it shows the supersession of the Mosaic administration. By the way, 1567 01:49:18.159 --> 01:49:22.600 the Orthodox Church, though, does still reverence the Seventh Day Sabbath. 1568 01:49:22.960 --> 01:49:27.319 We do still in the liturgy. There is still reverence 1569 01:49:27.359 --> 01:49:32.039 and honor on every Saturday, because there's a liturgy every Saturday. 1570 01:49:32.039 --> 01:49:34.920 Best way, there is still reverence paid to the Sabbath. 1571 01:49:34.960 --> 01:49:39.119 So we technically speaking, we actually don't completely reject the Sabbath. 1572 01:49:42.520 --> 01:49:45.039 So anyway, but as for the Armstrong Church, I mean, 1573 01:49:45.039 --> 01:49:48.359 I'm sure you could find plenty of instances of online 1574 01:49:48.399 --> 01:49:51.279 stuff refuting the rest of their gifty nonsense. I mean, 1575 01:49:51.279 --> 01:49:55.399 it's just a cult started by some businessman. Any church 1576 01:49:55.439 --> 01:50:00.600 started by some businessman, come on, that's come on, there's 1577 01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:06.640 no businessman church. That's the true church. I'm gonna start 1578 01:50:06.680 --> 01:50:10.279 my Shawnees Church. I'm gonna start up Shawnee's big boy Church. 1579 01:50:10.600 --> 01:50:15.039 I'm gonna start up. Actually, all all the Protestants they 1580 01:50:15.079 --> 01:50:18.920 look like businessmen. So I guess technically every Protestant church 1581 01:50:19.039 --> 01:50:23.399 is businessman church, isn't it? And they act they act 1582 01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:25.840 like businesses. Right, it is like a business So I 1583 01:50:25.840 --> 01:50:29.680 should I'm wrong there. Actually most churches are businessman churches exactly. 1584 01:50:30.960 --> 01:50:48.439 What's that one goofball? Businessman church isn't funny? How that? 1585 01:50:48.520 --> 01:50:55.520 Like the Protestant churches evolved from Luther and Calvin. And 1586 01:50:55.600 --> 01:51:01.720 let's look at what do we get in the Protestant world. Now, yeah, 1587 01:51:02.439 --> 01:51:06.520 you get like female trans bishop, you know what I mean? 1588 01:51:07.359 --> 01:51:12.039 So I guess I should say the megachurch. Megachurch pastors 1589 01:51:12.039 --> 01:51:16.920 are like businessman pastor. Come to business church. 1590 01:51:18.560 --> 01:51:24.159 We will teach you the techniques of time saving and 1591 01:51:24.840 --> 01:51:27.760 learn learn time share, learn how to sell your time 1592 01:51:27.800 --> 01:51:30.119 share at business church. 1593 01:51:32.640 --> 01:51:35.560 Anyway, cracking up over here at business church. But that's 1594 01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:44.039 what Protestants is just business church, businessman church and Garner 1595 01:51:44.079 --> 01:51:46.399 Ted Armstrong that was like, he's just like some business 1596 01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:51.720 dude starting a racket. Dude. Thank you Anthony Cavolo for 1597 01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:55.239 ten bucks. Eric, what does the Orthodox take on near 1598 01:51:55.279 --> 01:51:58.359 death experiences? Uh? Well, Father Rose has a book on it. 1599 01:51:59.680 --> 01:52:03.840 I'm not saying that endorse every story and Father serafrom 1600 01:52:03.880 --> 01:52:08.760 roses Soul after Death book, but that is the first 1601 01:52:08.760 --> 01:52:11.920 one that comes to mind. There's some kind of weird 1602 01:52:11.960 --> 01:52:15.600 stories in there which nobody has to believe every story 1603 01:52:15.640 --> 01:52:18.359 in a book like that. But Eric, I would say, 1604 01:52:18.399 --> 01:52:27.039 read The Soul after Death by Father Rose Hans Lah 1605 01:52:27.279 --> 01:52:32.960 five dollars seriously. Looking at Orthodoxy, do they consider mary sinless? Well, 1606 01:52:33.039 --> 01:52:37.239 there's some debate actually in the history of Orthodoxy about 1607 01:52:37.239 --> 01:52:40.439 this question, and there's not really a simple answer to it, 1608 01:52:40.439 --> 01:52:42.439 because we don't view sin in the same way that 1609 01:52:42.520 --> 01:52:45.560 Roman Catholic or Protests do. By the way, so for example, 1610 01:52:45.920 --> 01:52:50.479 in Protestant tradition, humanity after the Fall basically takes on 1611 01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:56.439 a sin nature, which ninety five percent of Protestantism actually 1612 01:52:56.880 --> 01:53:00.600 confuses into like Manicheanism, where they think that human nature 1613 01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:08.239 itself has somehow become inherently evil. That is Manicheanism. There's 1614 01:53:08.239 --> 01:53:12.479 nothing that God creates that actually possesses evil. So evil 1615 01:53:12.600 --> 01:53:15.640 isn't part of human nature or inherent to human nature. 1616 01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:19.680 Evil is, as the Church fathers say, only the move 1617 01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:22.560 of the will away from the good. That's it. So 1618 01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:25.319 we do inherit something. We do pass on something which 1619 01:53:25.359 --> 01:53:28.680 is in the Orthodox tradition called ancestral sin from Adam. 1620 01:53:29.399 --> 01:53:32.600 But it's not a thing that immediately puts us under 1621 01:53:34.319 --> 01:53:38.319 the hell fire status that most of the Church believes. 1622 01:53:38.319 --> 01:53:42.760 And this is why the Eastern Fathers consistently don't teach this. 1623 01:53:44.319 --> 01:53:49.159 Now that's a little abtuse, but if you read the 1624 01:53:49.239 --> 01:53:52.640 Orthdox Study Bible page on ancestral sin, it's a very 1625 01:53:52.680 --> 01:53:54.800 good explanation of that. So I would recommend that in 1626 01:53:54.840 --> 01:53:59.119 the Orthodox Study Bible. But there's different debates, and there 1627 01:53:59.119 --> 01:54:02.079 were debates in late Middle Ages between the East and 1628 01:54:02.079 --> 01:54:06.319 the West over Mary and Mary status. And so sometimes 1629 01:54:06.520 --> 01:54:10.840 if you had fathers that were more influenced by Western theology, 1630 01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:14.359 and if they use the term original sin in a 1631 01:54:14.399 --> 01:54:17.000 more Augustinian sense, it just depends on what you mean 1632 01:54:17.039 --> 01:54:18.800 by these terms. Right, It's not like the terms are 1633 01:54:18.800 --> 01:54:22.560 inherently bad, but for example, we do believe that Semipalagianism 1634 01:54:22.680 --> 01:54:25.760 is wrong. It's actually condemned the councils of the Orange. 1635 01:54:25.800 --> 01:54:28.479 The sinods of Orange are reaffirmed in the Ecumenical councils. 1636 01:54:28.520 --> 01:54:32.199 So so no, we don't believe that in the sense 1637 01:54:32.239 --> 01:54:38.840 that Mary somehow had to be immaculately conceived for Jesus 1638 01:54:38.880 --> 01:54:42.880 to be who Jesus is. But there have been certain 1639 01:54:43.319 --> 01:54:47.960 Orthodox theologians who have believed that God preserved Eve from 1640 01:54:48.560 --> 01:54:53.600 the taint of ancestral or original sin. And it's a 1641 01:54:53.720 --> 01:54:57.239 very difficult debate at times. But if we think about 1642 01:54:57.239 --> 01:55:00.680 the fact that there is a seminal transmission an aspect 1643 01:55:00.760 --> 01:55:05.359 to original sin, that is there hence the virgin births right, 1644 01:55:06.279 --> 01:55:09.119 and we when we understand that Jesus this is a 1645 01:55:09.239 --> 01:55:13.399 very difficult doctrine that actually I was corrected on a 1646 01:55:13.479 --> 01:55:15.800 couple of years ago because I was mistaken on this. 1647 01:55:15.920 --> 01:55:22.439 But Jesus did not take on fallen human nature. And 1648 01:55:22.439 --> 01:55:24.880 that's not because of a sin nature, but it's because, 1649 01:55:25.960 --> 01:55:28.159 as Saint John Damascus and other Church Fathers teach, he 1650 01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:34.880 actually assumed the humanity of Adams as it was in Eden. 1651 01:55:36.279 --> 01:55:41.079 So Jesus's humanity is not fallen. And that's why Saint 1652 01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:44.279 Maximus teaches that Jesus did not possess a nomic will, 1653 01:55:44.720 --> 01:55:47.560 that is, he did not possess a discursive will of Oh, 1654 01:55:47.640 --> 01:55:48.920 I don't know what I should do today. Maybe I 1655 01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:51.000 should do this, maybe I should do that. And you 1656 01:55:51.000 --> 01:55:53.560 can read Saint Maximus on why Jesus did not have 1657 01:55:53.600 --> 01:55:58.159 a nomic will, and that's because he wasn't fallen. Now 1658 01:55:58.199 --> 01:56:04.600 he did, however, will undergo death. But that's not because 1659 01:56:04.880 --> 01:56:09.039 he was a son of Adam in the sense of 1660 01:56:09.880 --> 01:56:13.960 this a corruptible nature. He was not corruptible. His flesh 1661 01:56:14.039 --> 01:56:18.479 was incorruptible. So what I will say on the Mother 1662 01:56:18.520 --> 01:56:23.800 of God is to read Saint Gregory Palamas's Little book, 1663 01:56:24.039 --> 01:56:27.479 Married the Mother of God. So that's the answer to 1664 01:56:27.520 --> 01:56:30.279 that for you. But we don't have this is not 1665 01:56:30.359 --> 01:56:33.199 the space to really go into the into depth on 1666 01:56:34.920 --> 01:56:42.239 the difference between ancestral sin and original sin. So what 1667 01:56:42.439 --> 01:56:47.920 she sinless, Well, she could be preserved from sin by 1668 01:56:47.960 --> 01:56:53.039 God's grace because of it being like Eden, right, and 1669 01:56:53.079 --> 01:56:56.079 there's nothing preventing grace from doing that. And that would 1670 01:56:56.119 --> 01:56:59.119 not mean that she wasn't saved. It would mean that 1671 01:56:59.119 --> 01:57:02.279 she was saved. She wouldn't just saved from following, she 1672 01:57:02.439 --> 01:57:06.600 was saved throughout her whole life. And again this has 1673 01:57:06.640 --> 01:57:11.439 been debated. Just read read Saint Gregory on it. Please 1674 01:57:11.479 --> 01:57:14.439 post YouTube videos on your website and make NB three 1675 01:57:14.680 --> 01:57:18.760 I do for everything, so thank you, Nigel, Nigel. But 1676 01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:23.039 every YouTube video goes on the website, would you talk 1677 01:57:23.359 --> 01:57:26.159 about Guruism and Orthodoxy and how to avoid it for example, 1678 01:57:26.319 --> 01:57:30.000 Romanidies Disciples Bulgakov Disciples. Yeah, I mean there's you know, 1679 01:57:30.119 --> 01:57:33.079 this is no there's no easy answer to anything like this, 1680 01:57:33.199 --> 01:57:36.319 because any group that you're in, there's going to be 1681 01:57:36.399 --> 01:57:40.279 Guruism and there's going to be weird, weird ideas, so 1682 01:57:40.319 --> 01:57:42.079 there's going to be you know, I mean I have 1683 01:57:42.199 --> 01:57:45.720 friends that like Bulgakov. I think that Lawsky is correct 1684 01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:50.560 that Bulgakov is just basically bringing German idealism into Orthodoxy 1685 01:57:50.560 --> 01:57:52.720 and we don't need that. We don't need German idealism. 1686 01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:56.720 And he's also an ecumenist and was rebuked for being 1687 01:57:56.760 --> 01:58:00.359 a humanist. I'm not going to go into the old 1688 01:58:00.359 --> 01:58:04.640 calendar stuff that's used to divide people. That doesn't mean 1689 01:58:04.640 --> 01:58:07.199 that they don't have a point about ecumenism. They do 1690 01:58:07.960 --> 01:58:10.119 but the old calendars are all divided amongst themselves. Anyway, 1691 01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:14.279 So Romanites read my giant essay about Romanites and they 1692 01:58:14.319 --> 01:58:17.079 are cultic. One of my good friends, we're not really 1693 01:58:17.119 --> 01:58:21.079 friends anymore because he is a cultic Romanites follower. And 1694 01:58:21.279 --> 01:58:28.640 there's plenty of stuff in Romanites that's just ridiculous. Anyway, 1695 01:58:28.760 --> 01:58:30.359 I don't know what to say. I mean, you know, 1696 01:58:32.399 --> 01:58:36.319 the way to avoid it is to the more conscious 1697 01:58:36.359 --> 01:58:38.520 you can be of the totality of the of the 1698 01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:42.279 Church's tradition east and west, right. I mean, one of 1699 01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:45.159 the things that really brought me out of the cult 1700 01:58:45.159 --> 01:58:47.319 of roman Now, I was never in the Cult of Romanites, 1701 01:58:47.359 --> 01:58:50.039 but was reading the Church Fathers and the fact that 1702 01:58:50.039 --> 01:58:53.279 the Church Fathers talking about the logoy being archetypes and patterns, 1703 01:58:54.399 --> 01:58:59.119 and that there is an analogia in Romanites, says there's not. 1704 01:58:59.720 --> 01:59:03.359 So do I go with the common mind of countless 1705 01:59:03.399 --> 01:59:11.119 Church Fathers or the weird ideas of Romanites himself. But 1706 01:59:11.199 --> 01:59:14.319 so many people don't read the Church Fathers. They just 1707 01:59:14.399 --> 01:59:17.840 read one guy, just read Romanites. Here's my guy, right, 1708 01:59:17.880 --> 01:59:22.680 I'll just follow him for the next ten years. So 1709 01:59:23.199 --> 01:59:25.199 the best way to do that is to not get 1710 01:59:25.680 --> 01:59:34.479 stuck reading one guy, Timothy Rainfield five dollars, what is 1711 01:59:34.520 --> 01:59:37.279 your refutation of soul scripture and solo feede. Well, we 1712 01:59:37.319 --> 01:59:39.680 cover that in the first hour. So the refutation is that, 1713 01:59:40.439 --> 01:59:44.319 first of all, sol scriptura is not biblical. You cannot 1714 01:59:44.359 --> 01:59:46.479 find a list of the books of the Bible, and 1715 01:59:46.520 --> 01:59:49.039 the Bible and the history of the formation of the Canon, 1716 01:59:49.119 --> 01:59:52.520 even from all the Protestant scholars liberal to conservative, confirms 1717 01:59:52.520 --> 01:59:55.920 the fact that the Church created the Canon, it put 1718 01:59:55.960 --> 01:59:58.760 it together. And if you want to believe in sol scripture, 1719 01:59:58.800 --> 02:00:01.039 it logically follows that the decision of the books that 1720 02:00:01.079 --> 02:00:03.800 went into the Canon are also infallible. That leads to 1721 02:00:03.840 --> 02:00:09.199 the infallibility of the Church. So lafide, Well, this is 1722 02:00:09.199 --> 02:00:11.720 a little bit of a more involved question which will 1723 02:00:11.720 --> 02:00:15.760 probably be in the talk for subscribers. So we're already 1724 02:00:15.760 --> 02:00:18.079 going on two hours here and this is also going 1725 02:00:18.159 --> 02:00:21.159 to be a half and half, so subscribers to Jay's 1726 02:00:21.159 --> 02:00:24.680 analysis will get the full talk on this. So I'll 1727 02:00:24.720 --> 02:00:28.840 answer sola fide in depth probably by tomorrow in the 1728 02:00:28.880 --> 02:00:32.720 subscribers talk, but we went into a little bit of 1729 02:00:32.760 --> 02:00:34.960 it earlier, but I'll go into more detail with how 1730 02:00:35.000 --> 02:00:39.319 all of the covenants in scripture always have covenant requirements. 1731 02:00:39.960 --> 02:00:43.920 And when Abraham, for example, was required in the Covenant 1732 02:00:43.960 --> 02:00:50.359 to follow God and to be moral, you can't. We 1733 02:00:50.439 --> 02:00:54.520 don't set that over against the fact that he was 1734 02:00:54.560 --> 02:00:57.680 saved by grace. Okay. So in other words, grace and 1735 02:00:57.720 --> 02:01:02.640 works are not antithetical when you understand that grace can 1736 02:01:03.359 --> 02:01:06.880 move or impel or not impel. That's not the word 1737 02:01:07.039 --> 02:01:13.479 grace can can bring about good works? How's that? And 1738 02:01:13.479 --> 02:01:16.239 this is actually actually Augustine has insights on this when 1739 02:01:16.239 --> 02:01:20.199 he's writing against the Donatis and against the Palladians. He 1740 02:01:20.239 --> 02:01:23.119 does have insights on this, which is fine because actually, 1741 02:01:23.199 --> 02:01:29.000 as we said, the Synative Orange, which is ratified by 1742 02:01:29.039 --> 02:01:33.840 later ecumenical councils Orange one and Orange two, condemned semi Pelagianism. 1743 02:01:34.159 --> 02:01:41.479 So Orthodoxy has to also condemn semi Plagianism. Anyway, I 1744 02:01:41.479 --> 02:01:45.039 will go into that as I said, solofide as not 1745 02:01:45.279 --> 02:01:50.640 being sensical in the Reformation sense, the prison sense when 1746 02:01:50.640 --> 02:01:53.880 we get to the second hour. Another point too about 1747 02:01:53.920 --> 02:01:57.199 solo fide is that it rests on Asaurianism, and the 1748 02:01:57.520 --> 02:01:59.439 way it rests on Assorianism is that you have this 1749 02:01:59.520 --> 02:02:04.199 penal de claration in Protestant and Calvinist theology, where this 1750 02:02:04.279 --> 02:02:06.960 is the classic reformers, they all teach this. Now modern 1751 02:02:07.359 --> 02:02:10.680 some of the modern Protestants and Calvinists and so forth 1752 02:02:11.279 --> 02:02:14.439 might shy away from this because it's obviously retarded and blasphemous, 1753 02:02:14.479 --> 02:02:18.880 but the older ones do and they teach the luther 1754 02:02:19.000 --> 02:02:22.800 even teaches us calvin that the Father damned the son 1755 02:02:23.680 --> 02:02:27.159 as the payment right, so we owe God an infinite 1756 02:02:27.199 --> 02:02:30.720 payment of hell, and so God damned the son to 1757 02:02:30.880 --> 02:02:34.399 pay for the debt or whatever. That either requires that 1758 02:02:34.520 --> 02:02:37.000 Jesus be a human person who got damned, which is 1759 02:02:37.000 --> 02:02:41.119 an Astorianism, or the Father damned the son, which splits 1760 02:02:41.159 --> 02:02:47.800 the trinity. So that is the chief most blasphemous, wicked 1761 02:02:47.840 --> 02:02:51.279 doctrine of all Calvinism and Protestantism is the splitting of 1762 02:02:51.279 --> 02:02:54.159 the trinity in the idea, the stupid idea of the 1763 02:02:54.199 --> 02:02:58.960 Father damning the son. And that is absolutely historic Protestant theology. 1764 02:03:00.319 --> 02:03:05.000 It's a historic Lutheran and Calvinist theology. It's the it's 1765 02:03:05.039 --> 02:03:13.840 taught by Charles Hodge, just taught by the Puritans. Yeah, 1766 02:03:14.479 --> 02:03:18.000 the Father didn't damn the son. It's completely stupid and 1767 02:03:18.039 --> 02:03:19.840 the only way you could come to that conclusion is 1768 02:03:19.880 --> 02:03:23.479 if you have a historian Jesus, a Jesus who could 1769 02:03:23.520 --> 02:03:28.199 be damned while the son of God remains in the Godhead. 1770 02:03:28.439 --> 02:03:30.840 That's an Astorianism. To a Jesus who's the son of 1771 02:03:30.880 --> 02:03:33.439 God and then a human Jesus who's damned. That's I mean, 1772 02:03:33.479 --> 02:03:36.880 come on, Anybody who knows what Nestorianism is and knows 1773 02:03:36.880 --> 02:03:39.039 that it's condemned and why it's condemned is because it 1774 02:03:39.119 --> 02:03:42.640 leads back to Arianism, knows that this is retarded. And 1775 02:03:42.720 --> 02:03:46.680 yet how many of the classical reformers teach this stupid doctrine. 1776 02:03:52.199 --> 02:03:55.079 Let's see Troy Sampson two dollars, Thank you, Troy Sampson again, 1777 02:03:55.119 --> 02:03:57.479 ten dollars. What's the difference between Oriental and East Orthodoxy. Well, 1778 02:03:57.479 --> 02:04:02.279 Oriental Orthodoxy be two different branches. You could be the 1779 02:04:02.560 --> 02:04:06.520 Nestorian Syrian Church which still maintains a Nestorianism which I 1780 02:04:06.560 --> 02:04:09.520 just talked about in Syria, which they do still exist. 1781 02:04:10.359 --> 02:04:16.520 Or it could be the Orthodox so called who are 1782 02:04:16.720 --> 02:04:22.560 Monophysite or Monothelite right, Coptic Church of Egypt or Egyptian 1783 02:04:22.600 --> 02:04:31.960 Tawahido Church right or excuse me not Egyptian. The I 1784 02:04:32.000 --> 02:04:34.359 just went blank. Who's the Tewahido? You know what I'm 1785 02:04:34.359 --> 02:04:41.840 talking about? Anyway, they are not with us because they 1786 02:04:42.119 --> 02:04:48.680 essentially followed Ay. There were two ways to read the 1787 02:04:48.720 --> 02:04:53.319 Council of Chalcidon. One way was the Kirillian way and 1788 02:04:53.399 --> 02:04:55.920 the other way was in a Nestorian way. So what 1789 02:04:56.039 --> 02:04:59.520 happened was the tragedy was that after the Council of Calcidon, 1790 02:05:00.600 --> 02:05:02.319 in the West, by the way, still kind of did this. 1791 02:05:03.000 --> 02:05:06.920 They will the West will erroneously at times view the 1792 02:05:06.960 --> 02:05:10.520 incarnation as an addition formula. So they'll view it like 1793 02:05:11.159 --> 02:05:17.880 like who is who is Jesus after the incarnation? And 1794 02:05:18.159 --> 02:05:20.199 this is why this is the problem's too. This is 1795 02:05:20.239 --> 02:05:22.279 why there were later councils is because there's two different 1796 02:05:22.279 --> 02:05:26.239 ways to read the tone of Pope Leo at the council. 1797 02:05:26.960 --> 02:05:31.680 So there's this is the wrong way to do it, 1798 02:05:31.720 --> 02:05:38.840 which many, many, many Western and Protestants read it this way, 1799 02:05:38.960 --> 02:05:58.000 and this is Jesus is basically an addition formula, and 1800 02:05:58.039 --> 02:06:01.760 they'll read it like this. They'll read it like Pope 1801 02:06:01.800 --> 02:06:06.359 Leo's ton teaches that Jesus is a human nature plus 1802 02:06:06.399 --> 02:06:11.359 his divine nature and this equals divine person Jesus. Now, 1803 02:06:11.359 --> 02:06:17.079 everybody who's Orthodox and who is familiar with Nestorianism knows 1804 02:06:17.159 --> 02:06:20.039 that that is wrong. That is the wrong way to 1805 02:06:20.119 --> 02:06:27.119 read pop Leo's tone. But many of the Monophysites did 1806 02:06:27.119 --> 02:06:30.439 read it this way and they were correct. They're not correct, 1807 02:06:30.479 --> 02:06:32.319 but I'm saying they were correct when they said, if 1808 02:06:32.319 --> 02:06:36.199 that's what Leo means, this is wrong because this is 1809 02:06:36.199 --> 02:06:39.039 not right. Jesus is not the product of some addition 1810 02:06:39.199 --> 02:06:44.119 formula to give us a divine person Jesus. Right, that's 1811 02:06:44.239 --> 02:06:48.119 not right because it's not a divine nature that smushes 1812 02:06:48.159 --> 02:06:52.960 with a human nature. Or the divine nature did not 1813 02:06:53.039 --> 02:06:57.560 become incarnate, did it. No, it did not. It's a 1814 02:06:57.640 --> 02:07:12.840 divine person from all eternity who assumes an impersonal human nature. Right. 1815 02:07:13.479 --> 02:07:15.520 So this is the correct formula. This is the correct 1816 02:07:15.520 --> 02:07:18.880 way to read it. Jesus is a divine person from 1817 02:07:18.920 --> 02:07:21.920 all eternity, right, second person of the Godhead, and he 1818 02:07:22.000 --> 02:07:26.199 assumed an impersonal human nature. So this is why Saint 1819 02:07:26.239 --> 02:07:31.399 Cyril was correct against Nestorias to say that the sole 1820 02:07:31.560 --> 02:07:36.560 subject of all the actions of Christ. There's only one 1821 02:07:36.640 --> 02:07:39.960 subject present for every action of Christ. Whether it's being crucified, 1822 02:07:40.279 --> 02:07:43.520 whether it's walking on water, whether it's the breaking of 1823 02:07:43.600 --> 02:07:48.000 the bread the loaves. The only person, the only person 1824 02:07:48.039 --> 02:07:54.960 present is the divine person. That's why we're not in historians, right. 1825 02:07:55.000 --> 02:07:58.800 So this is Saint Cyril's basic model here. So now 1826 02:07:59.079 --> 02:08:02.800 one could read then the tone of Pope Leo at 1827 02:08:02.880 --> 02:08:07.479 Councildon in either the Karellian way or in the addition 1828 02:08:07.600 --> 02:08:14.000 formula way, which is dumb and Nestorian. So that's why 1829 02:08:14.000 --> 02:08:17.520 there's later councils which came along to say, no, it's 1830 02:08:17.600 --> 02:08:23.880 not we're not talking about an addition formula where a 1831 02:08:23.920 --> 02:08:28.800 divine nature plus a human nature equals the Jesus, the 1832 02:08:28.800 --> 02:08:33.319 divine Jesus. That's not that's not that's not right. So 1833 02:08:33.479 --> 02:08:36.279 that's why they got mad. They said, that's what that 1834 02:08:36.359 --> 02:08:38.680 council means. We don't want any of that. That's an historian. 1835 02:08:39.000 --> 02:08:43.920 Leo is basically reaffirming Astorianism. So then we get the 1836 02:08:44.359 --> 02:08:49.039 monofusus that Jesus essentially is one incarnate nature of this 1837 02:08:49.600 --> 02:08:52.520 of there's one incarnate nature of the logos. And the 1838 02:08:52.560 --> 02:08:56.359 preason for that is also because unfortunately Cyril did use 1839 02:08:56.439 --> 02:08:59.880 that phrase, but he used that phrase when he was 1840 02:08:59.880 --> 02:09:04.239 trying to stress what he talked about as in hypostatized. 1841 02:09:05.199 --> 02:09:14.039 This is an important term in Eastern theology, okay, And 1842 02:09:14.079 --> 02:09:16.600 what he means is that it's the same point he 1843 02:09:16.640 --> 02:09:21.800 was making when he talked about Jesus as the sole 1844 02:09:21.920 --> 02:09:26.079 subject of all of the actions of Christ being a 1845 02:09:26.119 --> 02:09:33.720 divine person. There is no human person in Jesus at all. 1846 02:09:33.960 --> 02:09:38.239 There's a fully human nature, but no human person, And 1847 02:09:38.239 --> 02:09:42.199 we do that to guard the salvation as a whole. 1848 02:09:42.960 --> 02:09:47.640 Everything hinges on this. Why, because the only person present 1849 02:09:47.680 --> 02:09:51.319 for all of those actions is a divine person who's 1850 02:09:51.359 --> 02:09:53.880 in hypostatized in a human nature. So, in other words, 1851 02:09:54.720 --> 02:09:58.039 when Cyril says there's one incarnate nature, he's talking about 1852 02:09:58.039 --> 02:10:00.359 the fact that when Jesus is walking around doing what 1853 02:10:00.399 --> 02:10:06.560 he's doing, there's only one Jesus there. And any of 1854 02:10:06.680 --> 02:10:10.279 the actions of God, the energies of God, whatever, they're 1855 02:10:10.279 --> 02:10:15.119 all personal, they're all in hypostatized. In other words, there's 1856 02:10:15.159 --> 02:10:20.199 no abstract divine nature. There's no abstracted Jesus. The only 1857 02:10:20.279 --> 02:10:24.279 Jesus is the one who came in the mode of 1858 02:10:24.359 --> 02:10:29.199 human nature. The sole subject of all the actions of 1859 02:10:29.279 --> 02:10:34.359 Christ is one divine person, the eternal logos. And this 1860 02:10:34.439 --> 02:10:37.600 is why we're not a Nestorian. This is why Jesus 1861 02:10:37.640 --> 02:10:39.800 is not a human person. This is why he's an 1862 02:10:39.840 --> 02:10:43.039 eternal person. He's the logos, he's divine. This is why 1863 02:10:43.039 --> 02:10:45.800 there's no hippie Jesus, there's no buddy Jesus, because he 1864 02:10:45.920 --> 02:10:51.800 is the pantocrater, the eternal Lord. Now he's fully human. 1865 02:10:53.920 --> 02:10:58.039 He cries, he hungers, he experiences and has and possesses 1866 02:10:58.119 --> 02:11:03.560 full humanity as a human soul. He has a human will, 1867 02:11:04.439 --> 02:11:12.920 he has a human body, flesh right. But his humanity 1868 02:11:13.039 --> 02:11:17.600 is human. I mean, excuse me. It's not fallen, it's incorruptible. 1869 02:11:18.920 --> 02:11:23.520 It's essentially the new atom. So when we understand that, 1870 02:11:23.680 --> 02:11:27.880 then we understand that any other scheme even and this 1871 02:11:28.000 --> 02:11:29.920 is really bad. In the Protestants, they don't even know 1872 02:11:30.119 --> 02:11:32.960 that they're a Nestorian because they don't know this whole debate. 1873 02:11:33.399 --> 02:11:37.880 They don't realize that in order for their their redemption 1874 02:11:38.039 --> 02:11:42.119 theory to be true, penal redemption theory, the penal atonement 1875 02:11:42.319 --> 02:11:46.520 view of Protestantism, they need to have the father essentially 1876 02:11:47.359 --> 02:11:51.640 condemn the son right. So if the father damns the 1877 02:11:51.680 --> 02:11:58.039 son in the in the Crucifixion. How is this possible, Well, 1878 02:11:58.079 --> 02:11:59.760 he either has to be a human person who gets 1879 02:11:59.840 --> 02:12:03.319 damn and then we're back to the Nestorianism, or it's 1880 02:12:03.399 --> 02:12:06.479 the father splitting the son and damning him and that 1881 02:12:06.600 --> 02:12:10.359 the Trinity gets severed, which is completely retarded. So penal 1882 02:12:11.199 --> 02:12:15.960 substitutionary atonement theory in the reformed classical Lutheran sense is 1883 02:12:16.039 --> 02:12:18.720 utterly blasphemous and not true. So that's the That is 1884 02:12:18.760 --> 02:12:21.600 the easiest way, by the way, through refute Protestantism. But 1885 02:12:21.800 --> 02:12:25.000 most Protestants don't even they're not even they're not anywhere 1886 02:12:25.000 --> 02:12:26.680 near this. They have no idea when you start talking 1887 02:12:26.720 --> 02:12:30.880 about in hypostatized and they don't know what you're talking about. 1888 02:12:32.359 --> 02:12:36.600 And this is in the theology of Saint Cyril, is 1889 02:12:36.640 --> 02:12:41.079 called hindosis henotic theology. So I'm going to tell you 1890 02:12:42.079 --> 02:12:49.199 the book for this, all right, So this is important 1891 02:12:49.239 --> 02:13:10.520 for understanding Saint Cyril hinnosis henotic theology. And the best 1892 02:13:10.520 --> 02:13:13.960 book for this is this book. Well, actually there's two, 1893 02:13:14.039 --> 02:13:23.800 but John mcguckin's book is really good because, Yeah, when 1894 02:13:23.800 --> 02:13:26.000 I became orthodox, I kind of struggle with this issue, 1895 02:13:26.479 --> 02:13:28.800 or when I was first reading orthodox I should say, well, 1896 02:13:28.840 --> 02:13:32.199 what about the Oriental ord. Maybe they're right. If you 1897 02:13:32.279 --> 02:13:36.199 read mcguccan's book, Saint Cyril of Alexander and the Christological Controversy, 1898 02:13:36.199 --> 02:13:39.039 it will settle this issue. There's also right here the 1899 02:13:39.119 --> 02:13:44.319 Unity of Christ by Saint Cyril, and anybody who reads 1900 02:13:44.359 --> 02:13:49.479 these will completely leave Protestanism. That alone is enough to 1901 02:13:49.520 --> 02:13:56.439 annihilate all forms of Calvinism and Protestanism when you understand 1902 02:13:56.600 --> 02:14:04.479 their penal substitution moment nonsense, because it's not trinitarian. You 1903 02:14:04.520 --> 02:14:06.920 have to be anti trinitarian to be consistent with their 1904 02:14:07.439 --> 02:14:10.800 penal substitution view of what happens to the Father and 1905 02:14:10.840 --> 02:14:17.439 the Son and the crucifixion. It's just it's completely retarded. Also, 1906 02:14:18.279 --> 02:14:31.760 you want to read Saint Maximus, his small work, his 1907 02:14:31.880 --> 02:14:47.640 Dispute with Paris, because the Monophysite problem becomes the Monothelite problem. 1908 02:14:47.880 --> 02:14:51.279 There's one will and energy in Christ. Right, well, maybe 1909 02:14:51.279 --> 02:14:54.960 there's not one nature, but there's one will and energy 1910 02:14:55.119 --> 02:15:01.600 in Christ the disputations with Puris. So what those two 1911 02:15:01.640 --> 02:15:16.720 works will show you is the how it's based on dialectics. 1912 02:15:18.000 --> 02:15:23.479 The Monothelites, like the Monophysites, had a dialectical theology, where 1913 02:15:23.520 --> 02:15:30.800 they felt like human nature was essentially in natural tension 1914 02:15:30.880 --> 02:15:34.239 with God and God's grace. And by the way, guess what, 1915 02:15:34.560 --> 02:15:39.479 that's what Calvinists teach, right, So the Monothelites also taught 1916 02:15:39.479 --> 02:15:42.399 that there was one energy in Christ, one energy in 1917 02:15:42.439 --> 02:15:45.399 one will. Well, one energy in Christ means that in 1918 02:15:45.439 --> 02:15:50.479 the incarnation, the divine energy, the divine nature, the divine power, 1919 02:15:50.680 --> 02:15:55.359 overcomes and in a way supplants the human and that 1920 02:15:55.399 --> 02:15:58.640 means that in salvation. Right, you can see how this 1921 02:15:58.720 --> 02:16:03.439 leads to Calvinism, the divine energy, divine work supplants and 1922 02:16:05.000 --> 02:16:09.079 basically replaces the human will and energy. Why because humans 1923 02:16:09.079 --> 02:16:12.359 are so fallen that their natural state is always in 1924 02:16:12.439 --> 02:16:16.800 perpetual tension with God. Total de pravity. Well no, the 1925 02:16:17.479 --> 02:16:22.359 as Saint Maximus says, grace is completely natural to man. 1926 02:16:22.479 --> 02:16:25.920 There's nothing more natural to man than grace. And that's 1927 02:16:25.960 --> 02:16:35.399 because we don't believe in total pravity anyway, Thank you, 1928 02:16:35.479 --> 02:16:38.399 Ron Park. Also, if Free Choice in Maximus Confessor is 1929 02:16:38.440 --> 02:16:41.399 still available, it also highlights these but it has been 1930 02:16:41.760 --> 02:16:46.920 It looks like there's a paperback for fifty bucks. Okay, yeah, 1931 02:16:47.239 --> 02:16:48.920 so this was out of print forever and ever and ever. 1932 02:16:52.280 --> 02:16:55.360 But it also now that's not it. It also makes 1933 02:16:55.399 --> 02:16:59.479 the same points yeah by doctor Farrell back when he 1934 02:16:59.479 --> 02:17:02.719 was Orthodox, free choice and maximous confessor also makes all 1935 02:17:02.799 --> 02:17:14.239 these same points. So there is that and that that 1936 02:17:14.399 --> 02:17:22.079 solves the issues with Oriental Orthodoxy and uh, Coptic stuff. 1937 02:17:22.120 --> 02:17:26.120 By the way, Coptics are so goofous. Uh if you 1938 02:17:26.200 --> 02:17:30.120 read Pope this is how dumb Coptic stuff is. Pope Shanalda, 1939 02:17:30.440 --> 02:17:36.120 who is the I think I mentioned this on one 1940 02:17:36.120 --> 02:17:46.600 of the other streams. Oh crap, I think I said, 1941 02:17:46.719 --> 02:17:48.399 hold on, it's gonna take me a second to find it. 1942 02:17:57.600 --> 02:18:02.000 He doesn't believe in deification. He thinks that he thinks 1943 02:18:02.000 --> 02:18:08.000 dedification is a pagan So let's see. I think this 1944 02:18:08.159 --> 02:18:11.799 is it. It sounds like a Baptist wrote this, like 1945 02:18:11.879 --> 02:18:14.959 this is the degree of theology that you get in 1946 02:18:15.000 --> 02:18:21.120 the I mean, these Coptic churches are. It's kind of sad. Actually, 1947 02:18:21.120 --> 02:18:24.120 I shouldn't be, because they have cut themselves off for 1948 02:18:24.159 --> 02:18:26.959 all these centuries and they basically just became a kind 1949 02:18:27.000 --> 02:18:31.680 of a state church. I'm not saying that the church 1950 02:18:31.719 --> 02:18:34.200 and state shouldn't have a relationship. I'm just saying, when 1951 02:18:34.239 --> 02:18:39.280 you consider. All right, let me dig it up because 1952 02:18:39.440 --> 02:18:45.600 this is important to see. All right, where did I 1953 02:18:45.680 --> 02:18:53.920 say that to you? I'll see he's got an essay 1954 02:18:54.079 --> 02:18:58.079 about against deification. Could you imagine this an Orthodox so 1955 02:18:58.159 --> 02:19:16.879 called writer against deification? Oh? Here it is. 1956 02:19:20.520 --> 02:19:37.040 Yeah, Uh, I guess I'll put the link here. 1957 02:19:37.479 --> 02:19:39.280 This is how silly. Yeah, I'll put it in the 1958 02:19:39.360 --> 02:19:44.959 in the description here. All right. He thinks deification literally 1959 02:19:45.079 --> 02:19:48.120 is pagan like. It's almost like you're supposed to be 1960 02:19:48.159 --> 02:19:50.920 the successor. You think you're the successor of Saint Athanasius, 1961 02:19:52.799 --> 02:19:55.120 and you have a treatise that sounds like it was 1962 02:19:55.120 --> 02:20:01.600 written by a landmark Baptist against deification. I mean it's 1963 02:20:01.719 --> 02:20:11.639 like what so yeah, I mean there's little to nothing 1964 02:20:11.719 --> 02:20:14.600 in these Coptic groups. And by the way, Ancient Faith 1965 02:20:14.639 --> 02:20:17.840 and all those clowns, they act like Coptics are all Orthodox. No, 1966 02:20:17.920 --> 02:20:20.959 I'm sorry, but somebody who argues against dedification is not Orthodox, 1967 02:20:22.680 --> 02:20:29.079 so thought audit. I don't know what that is. I'm 1968 02:20:29.120 --> 02:20:32.760 guessing it's a kind of a funny thing against thoughts. 1969 02:20:34.520 --> 02:20:37.680 Karl Marx there, thank you, child of Grace five dollars. 1970 02:20:37.760 --> 02:20:40.479 What happened to the Jerusalem Church? Do you mean the 1971 02:20:40.520 --> 02:20:44.360 Patriarchate of Jerusalem or do you mean the church in 1972 02:20:44.440 --> 02:20:49.280 Acts fifteen? So sorry, I'm not sure what Jerusalem Church 1973 02:20:49.319 --> 02:20:54.680 you mean. Joline Kay, ten dollars. Thank you, Matthew Kitchen. 1974 02:20:54.719 --> 02:20:57.760 Have a blessed liturgy tomorrow. Everyone. Thank you, Matthew. You two. 1975 02:20:59.440 --> 02:21:02.360 David Daily own ten dollars. Any thoughts on Eastern Right Catholics, 1976 02:21:02.360 --> 02:21:05.440 in particular the Melchite Catholic Church, Greek Caeloic Church that 1977 02:21:05.520 --> 02:21:08.760 hold the first seven councils, Well, okay, well that doesn't 1978 02:21:08.760 --> 02:21:11.000 make any sense because you can't be a Roman Catholic 1979 02:21:12.280 --> 02:21:15.159 and only hold to seven councils as orthodoxy. This is 1980 02:21:15.200 --> 02:21:21.639 why the stupidity of Eastern Rite Catholicism, because the Tridentine 1981 02:21:21.680 --> 02:21:25.680 doctrines are binding on the entire church. You can't be 1982 02:21:25.760 --> 02:21:29.479 a Melchite or Eastern Right Catholic and reject purgatory. You 1983 02:21:29.520 --> 02:21:33.959 can't reject, you know, the definitions of Trent. They're binding 1984 02:21:34.000 --> 02:21:36.040 on the entire church. That's the point of the papacy. 1985 02:21:36.559 --> 02:21:40.639 So it's a position that is completely double minded and 1986 02:21:40.719 --> 02:21:46.440 makes no sense. Two dollars Doorman three to sixty Galactic 1987 02:21:46.479 --> 02:21:50.559 Emperor sound something from DBZ, Yeah, it does. I guess, 1988 02:21:50.600 --> 02:21:54.760 so five dollars. Greetings from the Schofield Belt, that is 1989 02:21:54.799 --> 02:21:58.120 the Bible belt. But the Schofield Bible Belt. I guess 1990 02:21:58.639 --> 02:22:02.399 that's a good one, white top high speed drifter two dollars. 1991 02:22:03.760 --> 02:22:07.120 Is Orthodox Faith tied to ethnicity? No, it's not, because 1992 02:22:07.440 --> 02:22:11.040 the church is Catholic but is also ethnic. If you 1993 02:22:11.079 --> 02:22:14.360 read the Canons of Chalcedon, you'll see its exact same way. 1994 02:22:14.479 --> 02:22:18.520 They all meet together, and there are ethnic bishops talking 1995 02:22:18.520 --> 02:22:23.200 about their respective ethnicities and metropolitans and groups and areas. 1996 02:22:24.159 --> 02:22:27.639 But that does not mean that we identify the church 1997 02:22:27.719 --> 02:22:31.120 with ethnicity, even though ethnicity is an important component of 1998 02:22:31.159 --> 02:22:34.000 the church, just like gender. Gender is an important component 1999 02:22:34.040 --> 02:22:37.079 in the church. It can't be wiped away or thrown away. 2000 02:22:38.399 --> 02:22:45.840 But we also wouldn't identify the Church with gender. But 2001 02:22:46.000 --> 02:22:48.920 the reason that the Orthodox faith has historically been tied 2002 02:22:48.959 --> 02:22:52.440 to ethnicity is because the kings of various countries converted. 2003 02:22:54.799 --> 02:22:56.799 If natural theology is bunk, how did an aristotol or 2004 02:22:56.799 --> 02:23:02.840 reason to the uncaused cause? Well, the question here is 2005 02:23:03.639 --> 02:23:06.360 what is the deity that he calls the uncaused caused? 2006 02:23:06.479 --> 02:23:09.079 Did you have you looked at the fact that Aristotle 2007 02:23:09.120 --> 02:23:13.399 caused the uncaused cause multiple gods in certain sections of 2008 02:23:13.440 --> 02:23:16.280 his writings, and in other sections he calls it one God. 2009 02:23:17.000 --> 02:23:22.319 So Aristotle's uncaused cause is thought thinking itself. God is 2010 02:23:22.440 --> 02:23:26.680 not thought thinking itself. God is not the monad of Plato. 2011 02:23:27.280 --> 02:23:31.440 God is not any of the stupid demonic doctrines of 2012 02:23:31.479 --> 02:23:35.799 the Greek philosophers period. He's not any of them. So 2013 02:23:35.920 --> 02:23:38.959 those arguments don't work, and they're not any good. Now 2014 02:23:39.719 --> 02:23:42.719 is it true to say there's a first cause? Correct? 2015 02:23:42.879 --> 02:23:46.799 There is, because I can, as an Orthodox person interpret 2016 02:23:46.799 --> 02:23:52.000 that according to revelation, according to tradition, to scripture, as 2017 02:23:52.040 --> 02:23:55.879 God is the first cause. Right, But who is that God? Well, 2018 02:23:55.959 --> 02:23:58.360 if you're Orthodox, he has a believe it's the Trinity. 2019 02:23:58.479 --> 02:24:00.760 None of these other groups believe it is. So I 2020 02:24:00.799 --> 02:24:04.879 do not have common cause with a Muslim and a 2021 02:24:04.959 --> 02:24:10.680 Jehovah's witness and a whatever other goofy sect in proving God, 2022 02:24:11.319 --> 02:24:13.920 because we don't believe in the same God. So you 2023 02:24:14.000 --> 02:24:17.440 can't have an apologetic argument on the side of a 2024 02:24:17.600 --> 02:24:20.920 Jehovah's witness and a Muslim and an Orthodox person altogether 2025 02:24:21.040 --> 02:24:24.120 arguing against an atheist, because it doesn't work because the 2026 02:24:24.360 --> 02:24:28.239 arguments that you're trying to prove, you're trying to convert 2027 02:24:28.280 --> 02:24:31.239 the atheists too, are not to generic theism, but to 2028 02:24:31.520 --> 02:24:37.040 the theism of revelation. The god of Exodus three fourteen, 2029 02:24:37.079 --> 02:24:38.760 who says I am that I am, is not the 2030 02:24:38.840 --> 02:24:44.920 uncaused cause of Aristotle. So there you go. And if 2031 02:24:45.000 --> 02:24:47.239 you read Saint Maximus, and if you read Father stan 2032 02:24:47.280 --> 02:24:49.680 Eloy's book, you'll see why natural theology is not true. 2033 02:24:50.200 --> 02:24:54.920 And natural theology leads to the atheism of Rome. That's 2034 02:24:54.959 --> 02:25:00.559 why Rome is a perennial Vatican to ecumenicist organization because 2035 02:25:00.600 --> 02:25:06.000 it's based on natural theology, which is which is faulty. 2036 02:25:08.000 --> 02:25:10.360 So how did Aristotle reason to the uncaused cause? Well, 2037 02:25:10.360 --> 02:25:14.040 because not everything the unbeliever says is false, right, Paul 2038 02:25:14.079 --> 02:25:16.040 says in Romans one, everybody knows that there's a god. 2039 02:25:16.840 --> 02:25:19.239 But hey, by the way, you may show here's the 2040 02:25:19.280 --> 02:25:22.680 easiest way to show you natural theology is bunk. Hey, 2041 02:25:22.680 --> 02:25:25.760 I believe in natural theology. There's one divine cause and 2042 02:25:25.799 --> 02:25:32.799 he's Satan. Yeah. See, Can I join with a Satanist 2043 02:25:32.799 --> 02:25:36.600 who believes that there's one cause for the universe? Of 2044 02:25:36.600 --> 02:25:40.319 course not. So that's retarded, and any smart atheist will 2045 02:25:40.840 --> 02:25:45.120 completely dissect natural theology and reasoning back to an uncaused 2046 02:25:45.159 --> 02:25:47.760 cause to show how stupid it is, and they should. 2047 02:25:47.959 --> 02:25:54.239 They should one more quick question. All wait, let's see 2048 02:25:54.399 --> 02:25:56.680 slav k thank you for good stuff. Why are accumenists 2049 02:25:56.719 --> 02:26:01.319 against proselytizing and less than enthusiastic about mission work because 2050 02:26:01.319 --> 02:26:05.040 they're not Orthodox? Because you can't accept We should say 2051 02:26:05.120 --> 02:26:10.040 too that there are different senses to ecumenism. So originally 2052 02:26:10.079 --> 02:26:16.079 ecumenism meant ecumenical councils, right, the word ecumenism comes from 2053 02:26:16.360 --> 02:26:22.159 acumenical councils. The acumenical councils were all called to reconcile 2054 02:26:22.239 --> 02:26:27.879 the church right in terms of debates and disputes. Now, 2055 02:26:27.959 --> 02:26:30.680 the ecumenists believe that the church is not one though, 2056 02:26:30.719 --> 02:26:33.760 so they essentially err on the doctor of the Church, 2057 02:26:33.760 --> 02:26:36.479 and they don't believe that there's historically one Orthodox church. 2058 02:26:36.600 --> 02:26:39.680 That's why it doesn't work with Orthodoxy or any group 2059 02:26:40.040 --> 02:26:46.159 that claims to be the true church. Now, original ecumenism, 2060 02:26:46.159 --> 02:26:49.360 what they even call the Acumenism of return, is what 2061 02:26:49.399 --> 02:26:53.040 the modern ecumenists have rejected. So there have been periods 2062 02:26:53.040 --> 02:26:57.719 when Orthodox theologians went into ecumenism many decades ago, with 2063 02:26:57.920 --> 02:27:00.639 the intent of the Ecumenism of Return, which was to 2064 02:27:00.639 --> 02:27:02.920 convert people. And that's not wrong. That's what it's for. 2065 02:27:03.319 --> 02:27:05.479 When I go on shows with atheists or with Roman 2066 02:27:05.520 --> 02:27:10.040 Catholics and I engage in or an evangelical in a 2067 02:27:10.159 --> 02:27:13.159 position of agreement and then we talk about other issues. 2068 02:27:13.239 --> 02:27:16.040 I'm interested in the ecumenism of return. That's why I 2069 02:27:16.079 --> 02:27:20.280 do apologetics. The ecumenists do not do apologetics because they 2070 02:27:20.280 --> 02:27:22.360 don't believe in the ecumenism of return, and in fact 2071 02:27:22.440 --> 02:27:29.440 it's a stumbling block. So the churches, like middle of 2072 02:27:29.479 --> 02:27:31.479 the road type groups that will, on the one hand, 2073 02:27:31.479 --> 02:27:33.879 will do apologetics and try to convert Protestants and people 2074 02:27:33.879 --> 02:27:37.040 like that and atheists. Right, they're correct in that regard, 2075 02:27:37.040 --> 02:27:40.600 but they also want to placate the ecumenists and not 2076 02:27:40.639 --> 02:27:46.200 convert people. Now, many of the handbook of that, for example, 2077 02:27:46.239 --> 02:27:49.719 the Greek Orthodox Archidiocese of America, it's handbooks says do 2078 02:27:49.760 --> 02:27:56.520 not convert people. That is not true. You cannot tell 2079 02:27:56.600 --> 02:28:00.760 people not to convert people. That is apostasy. So they're wrong. 2080 02:28:01.239 --> 02:28:04.360 So the ecumenism of I'm okay, You're okay is different 2081 02:28:04.360 --> 02:28:09.680 from the ecumenism of return, that is, convert become you must. 2082 02:28:11.479 --> 02:28:14.920 So that's why they don't do mission work, is because 2083 02:28:14.959 --> 02:28:17.200 they don't believe the gospel. Jesus says, go out and 2084 02:28:17.200 --> 02:28:21.000 convert the nations, and they are essentially apostate. So it 2085 02:28:21.040 --> 02:28:24.079 depends on which acumenism you mean. If you mean the 2086 02:28:24.079 --> 02:28:28.239 ones that are against proselytizing, they're wrong, and the fact 2087 02:28:28.239 --> 02:28:31.799 that they don't proselytize, and the entire church, entire history 2088 02:28:31.840 --> 02:28:35.079 of the church is proselytizing. Church fathers debating with heretics 2089 02:28:35.079 --> 02:28:39.399 to convert them proves them wrong their phonies. One more 2090 02:28:39.479 --> 02:28:42.559 quick question is the shroud of turn legit. I don't don't. 2091 02:28:42.840 --> 02:28:46.440 I don't follow that. I've never found that. Plus it's 2092 02:28:46.479 --> 02:28:48.360 not so what if it was, like, what does that prove? 2093 02:28:49.399 --> 02:28:51.159 I mean that kind of I'm not saying there aren't miracles, 2094 02:28:51.200 --> 02:28:53.719 but you know, what does Jesus say. Jesus says, a 2095 02:28:53.799 --> 02:28:59.120 wicked generation first after miracles, and no miracle will be 2096 02:28:59.159 --> 02:29:05.040 given to it of getting feedback again here, So I 2097 02:29:05.079 --> 02:29:08.840 don't pay attention to the shroud of Turin or any 2098 02:29:08.879 --> 02:29:10.719 of that because it's not gonna. I mean, if you 2099 02:29:10.760 --> 02:29:14.879 if you already believe and have faith, then you're going 2100 02:29:14.920 --> 02:29:21.239 to interpret it as something vindicating Christianity. I don't know. 2101 02:29:22.079 --> 02:29:23.959 I don't know. I'm not I'm not into the shroud 2102 02:29:23.959 --> 02:29:27.239 of turn stuff. So could it be legit? I guess 2103 02:29:27.239 --> 02:29:33.360 it could be, but I mean I don't. It's like 2104 02:29:33.399 --> 02:29:38.479 with the people who argue to me, it just it 2105 02:29:38.639 --> 02:29:43.719 just gives too much credence to bad argumentation because it's 2106 02:29:43.719 --> 02:29:47.399 not a good apologetic argument because you're never going to 2107 02:29:48.200 --> 02:29:55.000 get people to do DNA analysis on some blanket in 2108 02:29:55.079 --> 02:29:57.600 a church in fr Answer or wherever it is. I mean, 2109 02:29:57.600 --> 02:29:59.120 how is that gonna get That's not going to convince 2110 02:29:59.159 --> 02:30:07.159 anybody anyway. But does that mean that I think it's 2111 02:30:07.479 --> 02:30:09.760 not legit. I don't have any opinion on it. I've 2112 02:30:09.799 --> 02:30:14.799 never really paid attention to it. Benjamincollins One pound advice 2113 02:30:14.879 --> 02:30:21.280 on avoiding false information? False? What kind of false information? 2114 02:30:21.399 --> 02:30:24.200 I mean, there's not really an easy answer to a 2115 02:30:24.280 --> 02:30:26.840 really broad question. So it depends. I guess it depends 2116 02:30:26.840 --> 02:30:30.959 on if you mean false theological information. You know, there's 2117 02:30:31.000 --> 02:30:33.639 just not an easy example except to you know, trust 2118 02:30:33.680 --> 02:30:38.479 God and seek the truth, and you know, Jesus says 2119 02:30:38.559 --> 02:30:41.879 my sheep will hear my voice, and I know them, 2120 02:30:41.920 --> 02:30:45.319 they know me, and they will be let into truth. 2121 02:30:45.440 --> 02:30:48.000 So God is good and he's not going to lead 2122 02:30:48.040 --> 02:30:50.319 you astray if you seek him out with all your heart. 2123 02:30:51.559 --> 02:30:56.239 So when it comes to ferreting out trimp false information, 2124 02:30:56.479 --> 02:30:59.719 I mean God gave us logic and reason for a reason, 2125 02:31:00.680 --> 02:31:05.440 and you know, knowing basic logic, knowing basic facts about 2126 02:31:05.639 --> 02:31:07.639 how to reason and argue, that's one of the things 2127 02:31:07.639 --> 02:31:10.959 that we promote here. That's a big way to not 2128 02:31:11.120 --> 02:31:14.879 be duped and to be able to sift through true 2129 02:31:14.879 --> 02:31:18.959 and false information. Right, So logic is not antithetical to God. 2130 02:31:19.000 --> 02:31:21.079 It's not an enemy of God. It's not That's is 2131 02:31:21.159 --> 02:31:26.719 all modern pietistic nonsense that scientism promotes and that purveyors 2132 02:31:26.760 --> 02:31:30.799 of Protestantism promote, or Pietism. They say that the faith 2133 02:31:30.840 --> 02:31:34.040 is not logical, it's incoherent. Just take a leap again, 2134 02:31:34.120 --> 02:31:36.079 How contrary is that to what we read in Saint 2135 02:31:36.120 --> 02:31:40.840 John Damascus when he writes very lengthy philosophical and apologetic treatises. 2136 02:31:41.520 --> 02:31:44.319 That's the tradition that we follow here. We're not interested 2137 02:31:44.319 --> 02:31:47.239 in Pietism. So I would say just try to ground 2138 02:31:47.280 --> 02:31:50.159 yourself in the church. Fathers. Try to ground yourself in scripture, 2139 02:31:50.799 --> 02:31:53.760 read your Orthodox, study Bible every day, try to pray 2140 02:31:53.799 --> 02:31:57.479 every day, go to the liturgy, and you will know. 2141 02:31:57.879 --> 02:32:01.639 You will know when people are telling you false information. 2142 02:32:02.760 --> 02:32:05.799 But now if you're talking about analyzing geopolitics or the 2143 02:32:05.840 --> 02:32:09.200 news media, that's a little more you know, that takes 2144 02:32:09.200 --> 02:32:11.920 a little more practice. You know, I've been doing that 2145 02:32:11.959 --> 02:32:14.479 for a long time, so I can pretty well spot, 2146 02:32:14.639 --> 02:32:19.319 you know, fake news, fake information, false reports, because I've 2147 02:32:19.319 --> 02:32:21.280 studied psyops and I know how a lot of that 2148 02:32:21.280 --> 02:32:23.959 stuff works. So it comes a little easier to me 2149 02:32:24.120 --> 02:32:27.159 just because I'm I have a pretty good trained eye 2150 02:32:27.200 --> 02:32:32.959 at spotting nonsense in the news or or propaganda. How 2151 02:32:32.959 --> 02:32:38.680 to spot propaganda and spotting phonies in terms of you know, 2152 02:32:40.680 --> 02:32:44.959 different organizations like you know, why won't you go on 2153 02:32:45.000 --> 02:32:47.920 this or that show? Well, maybe I can spot phonies. 2154 02:32:47.959 --> 02:32:50.719 That's why I'm not saying that everybody has told no 2155 02:32:50.879 --> 02:32:54.600 to the phony. I'm just saying that I have a 2156 02:32:54.639 --> 02:32:57.120 pretty good track record of people that I'm not associated 2157 02:32:57.159 --> 02:33:03.600 with being phonies, so I make the decision who I 2158 02:33:03.600 --> 02:33:05.680 want to associate with. So I would say you gotta 2159 02:33:05.719 --> 02:33:07.760 do the same thing. Can just use basic common sense 2160 02:33:07.799 --> 02:33:11.319 most of the time. It'll be fine again. God gave 2161 02:33:11.399 --> 02:33:15.799 us common sense for reason. It's not antithetical to theology. 2162 02:33:17.360 --> 02:33:20.520 Randy Churchill fifty dollars, Thank you. Randy. Did the term 2163 02:33:20.559 --> 02:33:23.600 federal referring to Adam's headship as a term come to 2164 02:33:23.680 --> 02:33:30.399 existence after Calvin? Is there a historical understanding of federal 2165 02:33:30.440 --> 02:33:34.079 headship or is it just a way to refer to 2166 02:33:34.120 --> 02:33:40.000 the juridical understanding of protest servation. That's a good question. 2167 02:33:40.040 --> 02:33:43.000 I mean, I don't think the term federal itself would 2168 02:33:43.159 --> 02:33:51.520 be necessarily excluded from patristic discourse. I mean, you know, 2169 02:33:51.639 --> 02:33:54.000 the way athanacious and on the incarnation, the way he 2170 02:33:54.040 --> 02:33:56.159 speaks of the role of Adam and the fall in 2171 02:33:56.239 --> 02:33:59.600 Christ is there's nothing wrong with legal language. I mean, 2172 02:33:59.639 --> 02:34:02.479 paul Us this legal legal language. It's just that we 2173 02:34:02.600 --> 02:34:03.319 can't understand