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<v Speaker 1>And I just turned around and I call ass out

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<v Speaker 1>of there.

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<v Speaker 2>I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy

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<v Speaker 2>of the cult is one of the things that turned

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<v Speaker 2>me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on,

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<v Speaker 2>it turned and looked at us. And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red.

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<v Speaker 2>I see an orb of light. It is just circling

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<v Speaker 2>these steps.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it is waiting for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.

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<v Speaker 2>They're basically like, what are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Where I saw the top of the muzzle, noose and

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<v Speaker 2>the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with

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<v Speaker 2>this thing, it don't like death.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome back to Tenfoil tells tonight, we are joined by

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<v Speaker 4>my guest Lee. Would you like to let the audience

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<v Speaker 4>know a little bit about yourself before we dive into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I'm just a simple guy. Really how this all

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<v Speaker 2>started for me? You know, I'm just a construction worker,

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<v Speaker 2>right and been doing construction, working for the same company

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<v Speaker 2>for thirty one years. And you know I grew up

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<v Speaker 2>as a Catholic, you know, even went to Catholic high

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<v Speaker 2>school and all of that, and I never really believed

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<v Speaker 2>in UFOs or aliens or that sort of thing, even

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<v Speaker 2>though my family had a couple of experiences. I really

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't that old or drawn to that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm dyslexic, but still I'm really good with numbers

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<v Speaker 2>or not. And that's basically men. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>else I can tell you about myself other than I've

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<v Speaker 2>had these experiences that turned up later in life. And actually,

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<v Speaker 2>once we went through regression and that sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>then I found out about stuff that happened earlier in

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<v Speaker 2>my life and the puzzle pieces started to fit in.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's that's how it all began for me.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if you'd like to dive on into it, I

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<v Speaker 4>guess we can jump on in.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what happened for me is I lived. I

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<v Speaker 2>lived in a home in what's called Normandy Park here

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington State, and it's not very far away from

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<v Speaker 2>Sea Tech Airport, and down at my house you can

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<v Speaker 2>see across the bay. You can even see Moury Island.

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<v Speaker 2>If anybody's heard of the Maury Island incident. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of pivotal and key for the story or not for

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<v Speaker 2>the story. But it's in the same location pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>where this this activity happened. Not only that, over to

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<v Speaker 2>the left or further just south is where you know

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<v Speaker 2>the UFOs were seen, you know, flying between Mount Rainier

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<v Speaker 2>and Mount Adams, and that was that was well. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even have the dates. I don't even have the

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<v Speaker 2>dates in front of me right now, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>that those those were some of the first UFOs seen

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<v Speaker 2>way back in the nineteen fifties, early fifties, I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know that that area right there has always

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<v Speaker 2>been kind of a hotbed of activity. And so here

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<v Speaker 2>I move into this house that I inherited from my grandparents,

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<v Speaker 2>and I did a bunch of remodeling in the house

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<v Speaker 2>and that sort of thing. And downstairs as we took

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<v Speaker 2>up this big room downstairs as our bedroom. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the old theater room. So it's really long, not so

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<v Speaker 2>much narrow, just really kind of long, maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty feet almost long by I would say fifteen feet wide.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a big long room. And down in one

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<v Speaker 2>area has no closets in it at the time, so

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<v Speaker 2>I put in these these armliss against the wall coming

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<v Speaker 2>throwing across one wall and then down kind of the other.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also put in a set of French doors

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<v Speaker 2>in this room, and the French doors went out to

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<v Speaker 2>the lower deck. And one night I woke up because

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<v Speaker 2>it was freezing cold in the room. I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 2>the heck is going on? And the French doors are

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<v Speaker 2>wide open, okay, and there's no reason for them to be.

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<v Speaker 2>They they get locked right there. It's not like we

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<v Speaker 2>were having wind that night or anything like that. When

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<v Speaker 2>you throw that bolt on those French doors, the pin

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<v Speaker 2>goes vertical and goes up and then down, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to lock it into place. So there's no way that

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<v Speaker 2>those doors can just be blown open. But yet here

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<v Speaker 2>I was like three o'clock in the morning, freezing and

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<v Speaker 2>those doors were wide open. That kind of freaked me

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<v Speaker 2>out a little bit. In fact, I even had a

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<v Speaker 2>word with the gardener. I said, Hey, what the heck

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<v Speaker 2>did you leave the doors opened? Were you doing something? What?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, kind of getting upset at him about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, man, I don't know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mess with those doors. So I just then

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<v Speaker 2>chalked it up to just whatever, whatever, you know, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not dealing with it or thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just let it go. Well, and about two nights later,

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<v Speaker 2>this thing happened. Okay, And what it was as I

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<v Speaker 2>woke up and I was not in my bed. I

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<v Speaker 2>was laying face down on what I could only tell

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<v Speaker 2>was a table at the time, right, And I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>at my body on this table, but I'm also able

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<v Speaker 2>to see through my own eyes at the floor, which

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<v Speaker 2>was completely bizarre, and I'm freaking out, what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, messed up dream. I don't know what's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's like a horrible nightmare or something. Right, But

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<v Speaker 2>I could see this light like cascading down over my

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<v Speaker 2>body in this cone fashion, over my body, over this

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<v Speaker 2>table and onto the floor. And I see what looks

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<v Speaker 2>like an apparatus coming down from the ceiling towards my body.

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<v Speaker 2>And this apparatus looked like something from Superman, right with

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<v Speaker 2>all the little compartment things like when he went to

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<v Speaker 2>the ice castle and through the stone or the crystal

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<v Speaker 2>and all these things started coming up. Well, this is

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<v Speaker 2>it was reversed like it was coming down, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was reversed to that, and it was coming down

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<v Speaker 2>towards my body, and I was just freaking out because

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<v Speaker 2>I could see this happening and I knew it, like

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<v Speaker 2>my body knew it, and I'm trying to move. I

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<v Speaker 2>could not move, I could not scream. I could garble

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and I could see like the streams

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<v Speaker 2>of just uh, just not not so much just druel,

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<v Speaker 2>just a lot of drool coming out of my mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was so freaked out by seeing this thing

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<v Speaker 2>coming because it scared the heck out of me. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what I'm looking at, and I can't move.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like I was totally paralyzed, and I'm trying to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, make noise and scream, and all I'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>is just this garbled miss and these streams of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just all this stuff coming out of my mouth. Just

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<v Speaker 2>freaking out. And then on the lowest tube, this needle

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<v Speaker 2>pops down and starts going lower and lower, and this

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<v Speaker 2>whole this apparatus is still coming down, but this one

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<v Speaker 2>needle like thing from the lowest tube is keeps coming

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<v Speaker 2>down a little bit faster. And then I can't describe

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<v Speaker 2>the pain as it popped into the back of my neck,

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<v Speaker 2>right at the base of my neck and It felt

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<v Speaker 2>like it popped through my skin and then into my spine,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was I completely lost it. I was just

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<v Speaker 2>in agony at that time, and in about like one

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<v Speaker 2>second later, it was like the hand of God had

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<v Speaker 2>just rabbed me and held me. And it was the

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<v Speaker 2>most incredible, loving feeling I have ever felt or could

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<v Speaker 2>ever feel in my body. The only way that I

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<v Speaker 2>could think about this is saying, you would have had

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<v Speaker 2>to be out of your body to feel this because

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<v Speaker 2>our bodies, our souls cannot maybe our souls, but our

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<v Speaker 2>bodies cannot hold that kind of love. It was immense,

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<v Speaker 2>all encompassing, and it was like Holy cred And then

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<v Speaker 2>I woke up in my bed and I'm my neck

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<v Speaker 2>hurts so bad. So I'm reaching back behind my behind

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<v Speaker 2>my or next between my pillow and my neck, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm feeling this crusty and wet stuff and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>what the heck is this right? This really happened. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a dream. I am freaking out, And so I

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<v Speaker 2>woke up my wife at the time. I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to look at this right now. So I

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<v Speaker 2>showed it to her and she says, it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>you got some sort of a strange spider bite or

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<v Speaker 2>something right there, because it's all red and everything, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, that was no spider bite. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how to describe what happened to me, but

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<v Speaker 2>I told her the best that I could good, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just freaking out and I'm like, this just really

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<v Speaker 2>happened to me. And you know, going to work that day,

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't get it out of my mind. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe it was just crazy dream. Trying to

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<v Speaker 2>tell myself, trying to rationalize what had happened to me

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to you know, cope with it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just couldn't, you know. And there was another guy at

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<v Speaker 2>work that kind of believed in this sort of thing

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<v Speaker 2>and bigfoot and that sort of stuff. So I was

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<v Speaker 2>talking with him about it and he's like, yeah, yeah, okay, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and kind of listening to me, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's work to do, so he got to get to work,

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<v Speaker 2>and so, you know, the whole day, I was just

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about, oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. The next

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<v Speaker 2>day it was a little bit less, but still thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about it, and I'm having a hard time sleeping, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>The nights after this had all happened, and I'm still

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what the hell I'm looking started

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<v Speaker 2>looking online for other people, you know, or groups of

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<v Speaker 2>people I can get in touch with, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>days and months went by, and I'm still having kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like these flashbacks and these nightmare dreams about all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff that happened to me or this thing that

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<v Speaker 2>had happened to me. And finally I got a hold

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<v Speaker 2>of a group. Now, this group is called Soufon from Seattle,

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<v Speaker 2>Washington here, and I figured, well, I'll talk to these people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and see what they think or whatever. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I was talking with them and they say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to get a hold of this other group,

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<v Speaker 2>this abduction group. And I'm like, what, there's an abduction group. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had to go go ahead and meet up

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<v Speaker 2>with them on their next meeting, and I was telling

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<v Speaker 2>them all of this stuff, and I'm like hoping to

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<v Speaker 2>go crossing my fingers that they're going to tell me, No,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not how abductions happen. You know, you're you've lost it.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know what you're talking about. This, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. That's what I was hoping for them to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me, and they did not tell me that. They said, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>what you've been through is similar to what other people

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<v Speaker 2>have been through. And I'm shaking. I'm freaking out, Like no,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just hoping this with some kind of crazy

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<v Speaker 2>dream or whatever. And they're saying, no, you need to

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<v Speaker 2>get in contact with this lady here. And they gave

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<v Speaker 2>me her card and her name was doctor Janet Coley

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<v Speaker 2>and she's out of Seattle, Washington and Bainbridge. She's got

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<v Speaker 2>a house over there as well, and so I contacted

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<v Speaker 2>her and set up a meeting with her. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like two weeks later. But in the meantime, I am

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<v Speaker 2>stressing out. Man. It was like, once they told me that,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like everything that I had been taught up

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<v Speaker 2>to that point was like a lie, you know, being

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<v Speaker 2>is not so supposed to exist, right, and if it does, it's,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's the devil, it's you know, all of

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<v Speaker 2>dark thoughts around this and how it happened to me

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<v Speaker 2>and what happened. And so I went and saw doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Janet Polly and she, you know, starts this process with

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<v Speaker 2>a typical regression. They use eye movement and what she

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<v Speaker 2>does is she'll hold her finger up there and she'll say, now,

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<v Speaker 2>watch my finger, and she takes it back and forth,

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<v Speaker 2>and so your eyes are going from the left, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the left, to the right, which is supposed to activate

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<v Speaker 2>both hemispheres of your brain. In fact, this is what

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<v Speaker 2>they do for people that you know, have PTSD from

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<v Speaker 2>in war. It helps them, you know, integrate that all

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<v Speaker 2>of that stuff into their lives. And so she started

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<v Speaker 2>doing this with me, and she goes, okay, now I

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<v Speaker 2>when you were in your room before all of this happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And I started to do that, and I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm there in my room, I'm looking at my

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<v Speaker 2>arm wah, you know, at the far end of the

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<v Speaker 2>blob in the corner over by that armwah in front

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<v Speaker 2>of the arm wah, and I, you know, it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of this brown and it's kind of got a shimmery

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<v Speaker 2>look to it, and it's just like undulating like water,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's on a on a vertical plane, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's vertical up and down, and it's just undulating and

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<v Speaker 2>moving like ripples on the water. And I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 2>the heck is this? You know? And so then then

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped for a minute and she takes me back

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<v Speaker 2>in and she does the thing with the finger, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and looking back and forth at her finger, and I'm going,

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<v Speaker 2>okay now, she says, close your eyes again and tell

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<v Speaker 2>me what you see now, and she did that several

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<v Speaker 2>times during this and as far as I got for

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<v Speaker 2>that first session was just seeing this hand come through,

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<v Speaker 2>this amorphous blob, like this hand that had four fingers

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<v Speaker 2>on it. And once I saw that, I hopped up

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<v Speaker 2>out of that seat and I said, I'm done. I'm done.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't go go any further right now, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So that actually ended the session between her and I

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<v Speaker 2>the first time, and so I did make another appointment

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<v Speaker 2>with her, and I realized that I needed to go

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<v Speaker 2>through this, so I went back and saw her the

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<v Speaker 2>second time, and that's when the darn thing pop came

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<v Speaker 2>through the amorphous blob poked its head out. And once again,

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as that head popped out of the blob,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I just jumped up out of my seat,

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<v Speaker 2>and she she got me to calm down, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she took me through this whole thing with with what

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<v Speaker 2>had happened to me. You know, they they came in.

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<v Speaker 2>There was three of them that came into the room once.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, one was like the foot of the bed,

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<v Speaker 2>one was halfway to next to the bed, and the

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<v Speaker 2>other one was right next to me. And they get

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<v Speaker 2>me up out of bed and they somehow float me

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<v Speaker 2>through the the you know the wall next to the

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<v Speaker 2>bed outside into the yard and there's this craft in

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<v Speaker 2>the above the yard and it's got this cone of

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<v Speaker 2>light and we all kind of go up in this

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<v Speaker 2>cone of light into the craft. Okay. Once I got

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<v Speaker 2>on the on board the craft, I remember, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will never forget the smell ammonia strong ammonia spell with vinegar.

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<v Speaker 2>It made me so sick. I puked on board the

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<v Speaker 2>craft once I got got there. And you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is all during the the e md R regression. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So she's she's got me in there in the craft

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<v Speaker 2>with with these three grays, and there's one more once

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<v Speaker 2>we get sorry, once we get on the craft, there's

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<v Speaker 2>one behind the like a station where he's got some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of board where he's manipulating whatever is on the board.

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<v Speaker 2>You get in there, and then they take me into

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<v Speaker 2>this this room. In this room, I remember, it has

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<v Speaker 2>like an oval talk to it, h And they take

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<v Speaker 2>me in there and there's that's where the table is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I get they have me get on

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<v Speaker 2>the table, and that's when all of that other stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that happened in my dream happened, okay, And I had

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<v Speaker 2>to see part of that again, and then she brought

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<v Speaker 2>me through it like several times. She brought me through

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<v Speaker 2>what had happened to me during that session again and

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<v Speaker 2>again and again, like three different times. And then it

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<v Speaker 2>was time for that session to end, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>left that session and then came back the following week,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we revisited that same situation again and again,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to make it so that I'm able to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with the trauma that happened. But still, you know, at work,

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<v Speaker 2>even after the EMDR. The next day, I would see

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<v Speaker 2>things in my mind's eye, like, oh, yeah, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>way they walk. I saw myself walking on the sidewalk,

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<v Speaker 2>like I was walking on the sidewalk, I saw my

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<v Speaker 2>shadow off to the side, and it was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the way they walk. And it was just these

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<v Speaker 2>different things that started coming up for me during the

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<v Speaker 2>days after the sessions, like the fact that their eyes

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<v Speaker 2>are not black like that the one that was on board,

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<v Speaker 2>his eyes were actually blue, big blue eyes. And they

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<v Speaker 2>have like a substance that they can drop in their

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<v Speaker 2>eyes and then they can peel it off like a

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<v Speaker 2>hard shell or something like that, like a like it

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<v Speaker 2>becomes stiff like a lens, right, and they can peel

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<v Speaker 2>that off later. And so like there was all these

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<v Speaker 2>different things that started coming up for me, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>why am I seeing all this other stuff that I

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember. So I went back to her, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>back to the therapiest, to doctor Jenny Coley, and she

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<v Speaker 2>took me, she took back farther and I started to

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<v Speaker 2>see other things that had happened in my life prior

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<v Speaker 2>to this experience, where you know, this shimmery light would

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<v Speaker 2>come through the window and it would bend like you

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<v Speaker 2>were looking in a prism, and it bent and it

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<v Speaker 2>would shine on me, and then I would get pulled

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<v Speaker 2>out through the window via this shimmery light that had

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<v Speaker 2>this quality to it, you know, and it would kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like sparkle in that. And so there was I

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<v Speaker 2>think there was probably at least eight other times that

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<v Speaker 2>she brought me through and I had these other procedures

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<v Speaker 2>done on board the craft, and one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that came out for me, you know, I never saw

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<v Speaker 2>like hybrids or any of that sort of sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But the one thing I understood about the reason I

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<v Speaker 2>was being taken is because they wanted to know what

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<v Speaker 2>how my environment affected me? You know. What was it like,

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<v Speaker 2>how do the soaps affect you that you're putting on

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<v Speaker 2>your skin, How does the food affect you that you're eating.

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<v Speaker 2>How does you know everything that I was in contact

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<v Speaker 2>with in my environment, how did that affect the body?

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<v Speaker 2>That was their main concern with me. I never participated

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<v Speaker 2>in any other stuff as far as I know. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a couple other things like manipulating shapes like blocks

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<v Speaker 2>and levitating them and stuff like that, but I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily participating in any of the other things that I've heard,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, other abductees participate in. But she took me

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<v Speaker 2>all the way back to my first my first incident

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<v Speaker 2>that you know that I that I could recall at

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<v Speaker 2>the age that I was and was. This happened in

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<v Speaker 2>eastern Washington in a place called Winthrop, Washington, where my

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<v Speaker 2>grandparents had a house, and up on the second floor

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<v Speaker 2>is where I would sleep. And one night I woke

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<v Speaker 2>up and there was what I thought, in my mind's

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<v Speaker 2>eye at the time was a ghost, because I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I saw a ghost in my grandparents' house and I

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<v Speaker 2>always wanted to know what that was. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>actually a gray that had come to collect me. And

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<v Speaker 2>there was another gray that was on the deck. I

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<v Speaker 2>could see him on the deck there looking at me

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<v Speaker 2>while this other gray collected me, and they passed. We

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<v Speaker 2>passed right through the wall again and out to the craft.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see the craft outside. We passed through the

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<v Speaker 2>wall right and went right to the craft and the

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<v Speaker 2>same sort of contraption from the ceiling again when I

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<v Speaker 2>was on the table came down and it had it

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<v Speaker 2>had like a it looked like a vacuum cleaner hose

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<v Speaker 2>basically corrugated type of vacuum cleaner hose, and they they

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<v Speaker 2>took a sample of feceats basically, and I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I what I remember saying during the time, saying to

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<v Speaker 2>them during the regression was if you wanted to know

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<v Speaker 2>what I had for dinner, I could have told you

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't have to do this. And they said, they said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's it's for this purpose. It's it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we needed to sample for these purposes to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what you're what you've been in contact and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. So in contact with because I guess

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<v Speaker 2>everything that you put on your skin or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even like dryer sheets or anything that'll actually get excreted

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<v Speaker 2>out your bowel in some in some fashion. So that

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<v Speaker 2>was the purpose of that whole thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you know how many times that you've been taken.

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<v Speaker 2>By I don't know how many times total. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how many times total, but I at least with

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Janett Coley, I revisited probably eight times where I

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<v Speaker 2>had had solid memory of something happening to me and

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<v Speaker 2>I never knew what it was. I just thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was just odd. Things like you know, at camp we

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<v Speaker 2>were out in the grassy field and this like on

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<v Speaker 2>Orchest Island is where it was, and I remember seeing

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<v Speaker 2>like some lights in the sky or whatever. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I just felt so tired that, you know, I just

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<v Speaker 2>went right to sleep, and everybody else kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>went to sleep too. And then, you know, so it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't make any sense to me, especially after all of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff had happened. You know, I'm like, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to know about this time, and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>know about this time. What's this mean? And like I'd

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<v Speaker 2>start having the flashbacks, like I say, when I was

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<v Speaker 2>at work the next day of different things, different situations

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<v Speaker 2>popping up, and I'm like, well, maybe this is, you know, connected,

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<v Speaker 2>and how how could this be connected? And like I

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<v Speaker 2>said in the beginning, it's like starting to put puzzle

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<v Speaker 2>pieces together to make a puzzle, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still to this day, I still don't have

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<v Speaker 2>all the pieces. It doesn't feel like I do, But

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<v Speaker 2>at least I have this this basis to work from that,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what has drawn me to this day to

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<v Speaker 2>go out and actually look for things, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>video things in the sky and capture things on camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's because of I want I still want answers.

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<v Speaker 2>I need answers. I feel like there's a purpose for

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<v Speaker 2>all of this, which I you know, have a good

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<v Speaker 2>idea for. But why why, you know what, why do

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<v Speaker 2>they need to know this stuff? I mean, I get

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<v Speaker 2>the feeling that it's kind of like, well, you know

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<v Speaker 2>when we research animals, when we when we look at

418
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<v Speaker 2>you know, pigs or goats or or any other animal

419
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<v Speaker 2>that we look at and you know, dissect and figure

420
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<v Speaker 2>out how figure out how they work.

421
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<v Speaker 4>You know, That's kind of what I was getting ready

422
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:27.960
<v Speaker 4>to say, is it's similar to what we do to animals.

423
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, So they're they're doing that to us. What's

424
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:34.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, what's affecting us in our environment? They're interested

425
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:38.400
<v Speaker 2>in that sort of information, I guess, But it's I

426
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.880
<v Speaker 2>guess they're just like scientists. They you know, they must be.

427
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:47.920
<v Speaker 2>So I'll tell you this too. After I had finished

428
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<v Speaker 2>up with doctor Janet Coley, I think it was a

429
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:58.920
<v Speaker 2>total like twelve or thirteen sessions with her. I wanted

430
00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:02.119
<v Speaker 2>at during that time. I wanted physical contact. I said,

431
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:04.160
<v Speaker 2>you know what, if you're going to come get me,

432
00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:06.680
<v Speaker 2>I want to be awake when you do. And I

433
00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:09.319
<v Speaker 2>just kept thinking that and replaying that in my mind

434
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:11.079
<v Speaker 2>all the time. If you're going to come get me,

435
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:13.440
<v Speaker 2>I want to be awake when you're when you do it,

436
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:16.279
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. And so there was one

437
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:18.880
<v Speaker 2>night I could tell I get I get the hebe

438
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:23.000
<v Speaker 2>GBI's when when I know they're coming, it makes me

439
00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:27.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of queasy and nervous, and I start, you know, pacing,

440
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:30.279
<v Speaker 2>and my hands will shake and I'll start to sweat.

441
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I know they're coming for me, things don't feel right.

442
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>It almost feels like a different vibration. They they put

443
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:43.799
<v Speaker 2>off a different vibration than we do, and it's it

444
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:47.960
<v Speaker 2>feels very off putting. So I kind of know if

445
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:51.680
<v Speaker 2>they're going to they're coming for me now. But this

446
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:54.960
<v Speaker 2>one night, after saying that, saying this for months, you know,

447
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.200
<v Speaker 2>I want to be awake when you come and get me,

448
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I went to sleep and I felt them. I felt

449
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:05.079
<v Speaker 2>them there, and I turned over and I opened my

450
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:08.119
<v Speaker 2>eyes and there was one looking right at me, about

451
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:11.160
<v Speaker 2>four inches away from my face. And I looked right

452
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:16.319
<v Speaker 2>into their right into its eyes, I should say, and

453
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:19.000
<v Speaker 2>it was like, oh no, we can't let you be

454
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:23.759
<v Speaker 2>awake we can't whatever. For whatever reason, when they come

455
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.599
<v Speaker 2>get you, they have to paralyze you, or it's part

456
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 2>of their protocol ours, whatever it is. I don't know,

457
00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:31.759
<v Speaker 2>but that's why they always come in threes too. They

458
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:35.079
<v Speaker 2>have some sort of a protocol in place. But they said, no,

459
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:38.440
<v Speaker 2>we can't allow you to be awake so automatically while

460
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:44.000
<v Speaker 2>looking into its eyes. I started numbing and not being

461
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:46.799
<v Speaker 2>able to move from my leg from my feet all

462
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:49.799
<v Speaker 2>the way up my legs and my torso and my arms,

463
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:54.319
<v Speaker 2>and then eventually I blacked out. And that happened probably

464
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:58.480
<v Speaker 2>in the span of about two seconds, so it was

465
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:06.039
<v Speaker 2>rather quick. And then I was taken and uh, yeah,

466
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 2>that's that was pretty unnerving. But that is the only one.

467
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:14.799
<v Speaker 2>That is the only time that I have seen them

468
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.000
<v Speaker 2>while being fully awake, other than being like regressed back

469
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:21.480
<v Speaker 2>to when when the stuff happened.

470
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.559
<v Speaker 4>Do you remember when it actually did start? Like how

471
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:25.160
<v Speaker 4>old you were?

472
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:30.680
<v Speaker 2>I would say that one incident with at my grandparents' house,

473
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I was probably.

474
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:37.359
<v Speaker 4>Five, let's start at a very young age. Yeah, have

475
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:40.480
<v Speaker 4>you had any recent by recent, I mean within the

476
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.559
<v Speaker 4>last few years that you know of.

477
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:47.720
<v Speaker 2>I've had some very odd incidents and what I mean

478
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:49.759
<v Speaker 2>is I'll wake up in the morning and I feel

479
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:54.240
<v Speaker 2>like I'm disconnected from my body, like I'm I'm in

480
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.359
<v Speaker 2>my body, like I could see through my own eyes,

481
00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.240
<v Speaker 2>but i just feel like very disconnected from it, like

482
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:05.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going through the motions. And then I also

483
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:09.680
<v Speaker 2>will have dreams where like I'm falling and I'll wake

484
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:16.720
<v Speaker 2>up as soon as I hit the bed. Does it levitating, Yeah,

485
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:18.519
<v Speaker 2>it's like I'll wake up as soon as I hit

486
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 2>the bed. So those sorts of things are ongoing, you know,

487
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.359
<v Speaker 2>and I just I just want I want to I

488
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.000
<v Speaker 2>want I want answers to two questions that I have.

489
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, you guys are continuing, you know, you're continuing

490
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:41.160
<v Speaker 2>to be in my life. What what what are you

491
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.920
<v Speaker 2>you know? How far is this going? And where are

492
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:46.680
<v Speaker 2>we going to? What? What is you know? And it's

493
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>just it's just random stuff that pops up in my head,

494
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.119
<v Speaker 2>like you know, where do you come from? And and

495
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:57.119
<v Speaker 2>all of this other stuff. And during a session I

496
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:01.319
<v Speaker 2>did ask that question through gor jenat Coley. I asked,

497
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, so where do you guys come from?

498
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:08.039
<v Speaker 2>And they gave me an answer, and the answer that

499
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.359
<v Speaker 2>they gave me was They gave me a picture of

500
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:16.440
<v Speaker 2>a spiral of planets and it started like at the

501
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:20.079
<v Speaker 2>closest planet to me and went like a spiral back

502
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:24.680
<v Speaker 2>into the distance. And what I gathered from that information

503
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:31.240
<v Speaker 2>was that this this spiral plants is like they've grabbed

504
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>DNA from these different worlds to make themselves, is how

505
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:40.000
<v Speaker 2>it seemed to me.

506
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:48.519
<v Speaker 4>There was a few things that you mentioned. It doesn't

507
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:50.839
<v Speaker 4>really relate to that, but there's a few things that

508
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 4>you'd mentioned that I was going to bring up. Yeah,

509
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:58.960
<v Speaker 4>when you were being taken out the first time, did

510
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:02.480
<v Speaker 4>you mentioned like you get actually see yourself almost like

511
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.559
<v Speaker 4>your consciousness wasn't in your body at that point.

512
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, during my during the dream session, yes, when I

513
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.720
<v Speaker 2>first realized that I was being taken that is correct.

514
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:17.319
<v Speaker 4>And then the traveling through the wall, that is a

515
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:20.519
<v Speaker 4>very common thing that I've heard from other people is

516
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:26.359
<v Speaker 4>their bodies just it's not like they de materialized, but

517
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.640
<v Speaker 4>they just go right through solid objects. And I remember

518
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.519
<v Speaker 4>talking to someone and they said they could see the

519
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:33.359
<v Speaker 4>plaster of the wall and they were on the inside

520
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.359
<v Speaker 4>of it. They could see the slats of the wood,

521
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.680
<v Speaker 4>and then they were on the outside of it like

522
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:40.799
<v Speaker 4>it's like their whole body just like goes right through

523
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.000
<v Speaker 4>it without Yeah, I don't.

524
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Remember that, but it did feel it felt like you

525
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:54.640
<v Speaker 2>were going through something m hm tactile, but it didn't

526
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:57.680
<v Speaker 2>feel or I wasn't able to really see the inside

527
00:32:57.680 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 2>of the wall.

528
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 4>It just very strange to me that the similarities between

529
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.279
<v Speaker 4>what other people have talked about, Like it's a very

530
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:11.079
<v Speaker 4>common trend when you hear about people that are abducted.

531
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:14.359
<v Speaker 4>They all have the floating and then they're going either

532
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:18.160
<v Speaker 4>through a wall, through a window, down the stairs, like,

533
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.519
<v Speaker 4>but their body itself is levitating. And then when you

534
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.480
<v Speaker 4>have those dreams where you're levitating and then you just

535
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 4>kind of PLoP back down into the bed, it's like

536
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:28.480
<v Speaker 4>with something really going on again, was I actually levitating exactly?

537
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Was I just being brought back right? Yeah? Yeah, no kidding.

538
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:40.559
<v Speaker 2>And then the the other major thing with this abduction

539
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.640
<v Speaker 2>stuff is they don't talk, like, they don't communicate with

540
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>words with me. It's like they use a telepathy that

541
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 2>is able to convey the information much better than any

542
00:33:56.599 --> 00:34:01.920
<v Speaker 2>words could ever communicate. They give you pictures and they

543
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:05.480
<v Speaker 2>give you sensations, so it's almost like they're activating your

544
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.800
<v Speaker 2>five senses in a way when they when they converse

545
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:12.639
<v Speaker 2>with you, so it's a much faster way and a

546
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:16.360
<v Speaker 2>much greater understanding of things when they do converse with you.

547
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:22.639
<v Speaker 4>I've always heard it's almost like a telepathic way of talking,

548
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:26.960
<v Speaker 4>like you can almost hear their thoughts or they're they're

549
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.440
<v Speaker 4>in your head, is what other people have described to me.

550
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not so, it's it's like it's it's a whole

551
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.800
<v Speaker 2>it's a whole different experience. It's it's almost like they

552
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:41.159
<v Speaker 2>somehow activate your five senses to merge with theirs or

553
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:44.760
<v Speaker 2>something like that. So it's almost like in their minds

554
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.400
<v Speaker 2>you can almost feel what they're talking about. You can

555
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:50.639
<v Speaker 2>you can see definitely see what they're talking about, but

556
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:53.920
<v Speaker 2>it's a whole bunch of sensations that are going on

557
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.239
<v Speaker 2>at one time. I mean, it's almost like they're activating

558
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.760
<v Speaker 2>their sense smell with your sense of smell. But it's not,

559
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:07.280
<v Speaker 2>it's not the same. It's different, and it's just a

560
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:12.039
<v Speaker 2>totally different way of communication. I wish we could all

561
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.159
<v Speaker 2>communicate like that, because if we could, we would be

562
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.280
<v Speaker 2>able to tell when someone is lying for sure.

563
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:24.519
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes I wonder if we don't have blockage implemented into us,

564
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:26.639
<v Speaker 4>so we don't have all access to that sort of

565
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:31.480
<v Speaker 4>power with our mind. That's a that's a different rabbit

566
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:34.760
<v Speaker 4>hole to go down into. But I always just sure,

567
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:37.719
<v Speaker 4>let's say, I just feel like, for some reason or not,

568
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:41.039
<v Speaker 4>I don't think we're all very in tune with the

569
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:42.679
<v Speaker 4>world around us.

570
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, we've been dumbed down for so many years. I mean,

571
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.079
<v Speaker 2>they're putting fluoride and all kinds of stuff in the water.

572
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what is that doing to us? Right? And

573
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg.

574
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.360
<v Speaker 4>I think there's all sorts of things that's been going

575
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.159
<v Speaker 4>on for years and years that have made us to

576
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 4>the way we are today. That's not the point of

577
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 4>this conversation. That's for another time.

578
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it might be the point of their conversation

579
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:14.000
<v Speaker 2>as far as you know, what is happening to us,

580
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, what are we ingesting, what are we taking

581
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:21.199
<v Speaker 2>in that's affecting our bodies. I'm sure that that's part

582
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:22.039
<v Speaker 2>of their research.

583
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.000
<v Speaker 4>I've been looking into a few things here and there,

584
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:31.039
<v Speaker 4>and one of the more I don't know the typical

585
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 4>term to use for, but one of the more common

586
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 4>things that I've been coming across is people believing that

587
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 4>the abductions themselves are actually not an ET that is

588
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 4>doing it. They actually think it's us as in humans,

589
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 4>but our brains are being programmed to believe it was

590
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:55.639
<v Speaker 4>ET's but it's actually humans doing all this on people,

591
00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:03.440
<v Speaker 4>which I honestly be surprised to an extent, But at

592
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:05.239
<v Speaker 4>the same time, I don't understand the purpose.

593
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:09.719
<v Speaker 2>And do they have the ability to take the human

594
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.000
<v Speaker 2>soul out of the body and have it sit there

595
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:17.039
<v Speaker 2>and watch while they do stuff on that body. I

596
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:20.280
<v Speaker 2>don't think they do, But what do I know?

597
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.559
<v Speaker 4>And that's the other part that's a very common thing

598
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.079
<v Speaker 4>is when you mentioned the soul, they don't think these

599
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:33.639
<v Speaker 4>aliens are aliens. They write them off as demons. Yeah, so,

600
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.239
<v Speaker 4>I honestly don't know. Like I want to.

601
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:40.360
<v Speaker 2>As bad as it says. I want to believe that there's.

602
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:42.400
<v Speaker 4>Life and space coming down here and messing around with us.

603
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 4>But at the same time, it's like, I think all

604
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:50.400
<v Speaker 4>these examples are somewhat plausible. Yeah, so I don't really,

605
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't really lean one direction. I guess that's what

606
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.119
<v Speaker 4>drove me so hard to find evidence that they're here,

607
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:05.039
<v Speaker 4>you know, is my grandparents. My father and my grandfather

608
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.320
<v Speaker 4>were huge into photography, so I took what I learned

609
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:11.119
<v Speaker 4>from them, you know, and then I went to the woods.

610
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:13.400
<v Speaker 4>I went out to the to the mountains out here

611
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:16.599
<v Speaker 4>in Washington State and started filming crazy things in the sky,

612
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:21.840
<v Speaker 4>things that aren't definitely are not airplanes. Has anyone in

613
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:25.480
<v Speaker 4>your family ever talked about any sort of experiences like that?

614
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:30.039
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to get into there. There is another yes.

615
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:32.039
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so we don't have to talk about it if

616
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.639
<v Speaker 4>you don't want to. Yeah, I was just curious. You

617
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 4>happen to know the blood type that you are?

618
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Abe, Okay? I know the.

619
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.480
<v Speaker 4>I think it's our They called RH negative or something

620
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 4>like that. That's the one that a lot of people

621
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.559
<v Speaker 4>that talk about being abducted usually have, and it's one

622
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.159
<v Speaker 4>of the more rare blood types. But I also think

623
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:58.599
<v Speaker 4>it's one of the ones that can be universal, right right.

624
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.000
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't even tell you what my blood type is,

625
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:04.880
<v Speaker 4>so probably why I haven't been inducted.

626
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, you don't know.

627
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:10.840
<v Speaker 4>I do have some really weird dreams sometimes, so you

628
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:12.159
<v Speaker 4>never know, I guess.

629
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, I had no idea until I was

630
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.199
<v Speaker 2>like thirty eight that this was going.

631
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:24.280
<v Speaker 4>On to be one hundred percent honest. I don't know

632
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:27.559
<v Speaker 4>if I'd ever want to know, So I don't know

633
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.119
<v Speaker 4>what it would actually do if I found out, Like

634
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.079
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, if it drive me even more crazier

635
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:34.280
<v Speaker 4>than what I feel like I am these days.

636
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you what I don't. I don't want

637
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:40.719
<v Speaker 2>that to happen to my worst enemy. Really, I just

638
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.239
<v Speaker 2>the You have to rebuild your whole life and your

639
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:50.559
<v Speaker 2>whole belief system from what you learn, you know, from

640
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:56.159
<v Speaker 2>what you now know to be your reality compared to

641
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.840
<v Speaker 2>what it was before, and doing that in the span

642
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.760
<v Speaker 2>of a couple months or a month is a hard

643
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:10.880
<v Speaker 2>thing to do. I thought about suicide that came to

644
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:17.199
<v Speaker 2>mind a couple of times because of this, and thank god,

645
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:22.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, working with doctor Jenna Colely, she kept me,

646
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.199
<v Speaker 2>She kept me away from doing that.

647
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:32.840
<v Speaker 4>A lot of people don't understand the impact that certain

648
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 4>aspects have to people, especially when they have something that

649
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:41.039
<v Speaker 4>they go through that's a traumatic experience. Yeah. I've tried

650
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:42.639
<v Speaker 4>to say that to a lot of people, like not

651
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:47.760
<v Speaker 4>even just abductions, but people that have encounters with things

652
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:51.920
<v Speaker 4>that they can't explain. It leaves some sort of an

653
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:58.239
<v Speaker 4>impact on these people, and it's something that not everyone

654
00:40:58.239 --> 00:40:58.880
<v Speaker 4>can deal with.

655
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:04.239
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to deal with it, yes, very you need

656
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:05.559
<v Speaker 2>a professional.

657
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.280
<v Speaker 4>And people don't want to talk about it, which I

658
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:13.039
<v Speaker 4>completely understand because you have the stigma and the ridicule

659
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:16.280
<v Speaker 4>that usually comes along with saying stuff like this. So

660
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:17.760
<v Speaker 4>a lot of the time people have to keep it

661
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:19.480
<v Speaker 4>to themselves and that's not a very good way of

662
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:20.280
<v Speaker 4>going about it either.

663
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:25.239
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not. It's hard because it just eats away

664
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 2>at you. And I mean turning to your friends and family.

665
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's that's hard to do too. I've had

666
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.159
<v Speaker 2>to do it over the years, but you know, the

667
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:39.239
<v Speaker 2>only way that I was able to do it was

668
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:41.920
<v Speaker 2>going through therapy and then, you know, coming to the

669
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:47.159
<v Speaker 2>realization that you know, this stuff happened and there's nothing

670
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.559
<v Speaker 2>I can do about it, and now I need to

671
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:53.039
<v Speaker 2>tell other people why I'm spending the nights, you know,

672
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:57.719
<v Speaker 2>looking at Mount Rainier or Mount Adams or Mount Baker.

673
00:41:58.039 --> 00:41:59.719
<v Speaker 2>You know why am I going out there with camera?

674
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's because something happened to me, and now

675
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:06.400
<v Speaker 2>I want to prove it to the world that this

676
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:07.239
<v Speaker 2>stuff is real.

677
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:13.679
<v Speaker 4>What are some of the things you've actually been able

678
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.199
<v Speaker 4>to catch on film, or anything that you've been able

679
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:17.559
<v Speaker 4>to capture for evidence wise.

680
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I got a full pledged craft in the daylight

681
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 2>right right in front of Mount Baker. That was pretty cool.

682
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:31.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't even know it was there. I just took

683
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:35.840
<v Speaker 2>three pictures to the mountain consecutively, and the center pitcher

684
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:40.719
<v Speaker 2>had the UFO in it. Sometimes when this started with

685
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:43.800
<v Speaker 2>me in the beginning and I started going out there

686
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:47.280
<v Speaker 2>and filming, I would get the feeling that they were around,

687
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:51.000
<v Speaker 2>and I would turn on my cameras and they're lo

688
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:55.000
<v Speaker 2>and behold there would be stuff that I captured. Later

689
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:59.159
<v Speaker 2>as the years went on, I just let my cameras

690
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:01.599
<v Speaker 2>roll from the time I got there till I left,

691
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.760
<v Speaker 2>and then I would review the footage and find things

692
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:10.199
<v Speaker 2>in the footage. So I've seen plenty of objects go

693
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:15.559
<v Speaker 2>down into Mount Adams and Mount Baker, like, go down

694
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:19.320
<v Speaker 2>into the mountain and plenty of things coming out. And

695
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:23.599
<v Speaker 2>usually these consist of some kind of an orb that

696
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:26.800
<v Speaker 2>is like a plasma ball that looks kind of like

697
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:30.840
<v Speaker 2>a plasma ball, very large in a lot of cases,

698
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:39.360
<v Speaker 2>and accompanied with other plasma balls as well, which is crazy.

699
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.880
<v Speaker 2>I remember one night where I got myself a new

700
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:44.760
<v Speaker 2>night vision camera and I said, I'm going to go

701
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:46.480
<v Speaker 2>check this thing out. I just got it in the

702
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:48.559
<v Speaker 2>mail and I went out in the backyard, pointed it

703
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:51.559
<v Speaker 2>at the sky and I got two two came by,

704
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:58.400
<v Speaker 2>So it's like they know when I put the equipment out,

705
00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:01.360
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I've been doing this long enough now

706
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 2>I know what satellites are. You know, I track them

707
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>actively now and I can I obviously track the air

708
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:10.639
<v Speaker 2>traffic as well when I'm out there doing this. So

709
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.559
<v Speaker 2>it's quite an amazing setup that I have right now

710
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:18.400
<v Speaker 2>in the back of my in the back of my

711
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.760
<v Speaker 2>vehicle that I pull out and I'm able to track

712
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.159
<v Speaker 2>a lot of different things in the sky, so I

713
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:29.400
<v Speaker 2>know when I'm looking at something that is different, that

714
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:30.760
<v Speaker 2>it's not supposed to be there.

715
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:37.719
<v Speaker 4>I know we said we'd talk about the UFO stuff,

716
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.039
<v Speaker 4>but I did want to ask a question relating to

717
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.679
<v Speaker 4>the possible sasquash activity. Do you think that is related

718
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:46.559
<v Speaker 4>with the UFO?

719
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, once you open this door, a lot of

720
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:55.440
<v Speaker 2>things happened, And the thing that I noticed first was

721
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 2>paranormal activity per normal type of activity in my house.

722
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Things being turned on and turned off by themselves. I

723
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:11.400
<v Speaker 2>heard a noise upstairs when I lived in a two

724
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:14.599
<v Speaker 2>story house there in Normandy Park over the water. I

725
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.960
<v Speaker 2>heard a bunch of commotion upstairs in the kitchen. So

726
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.320
<v Speaker 2>I run up the stairs and all the cupboard drawers

727
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 2>are open and all the doors are open. Everything was

728
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:27.639
<v Speaker 2>wide open, drawers were pulled out all the way and

729
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.119
<v Speaker 2>it was just like, what the heck is going on?

730
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:36.800
<v Speaker 2>So it seems once you open this door, things start

731
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 2>to happen to you. I had. I woke up in

732
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:45.519
<v Speaker 2>the morning, first thing in the morning, getting ready for work,

733
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:47.639
<v Speaker 2>going to the living room, and I see this blue

734
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:51.639
<v Speaker 2>orb above the couch, and that that thing just shoots

735
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.079
<v Speaker 2>right up through the ceiling once it realizes I can

736
00:45:54.159 --> 00:46:04.000
<v Speaker 2>see it. So sasquatch stuff. Yeah. I was in search

737
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:08.519
<v Speaker 2>and rescue when I moved to Everett, Washington, and that's

738
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:12.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of when I started getting into the sasquatch side

739
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.960
<v Speaker 2>of things. I had things pacing me, you know, off

740
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:19.119
<v Speaker 2>the trail. You know, I'd be walking and you could

741
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:21.400
<v Speaker 2>hear it crunching in the brush and when I stopped,

742
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:25.960
<v Speaker 2>it would stop. And that happened out of Skycombish, Washington,

743
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Skycomish Off of the Foss River, so that that has

744
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:36.760
<v Speaker 2>been an area for me for a long time where

745
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:40.599
<v Speaker 2>I've always had sort of sasquatch type stuff happening. One

746
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:44.679
<v Speaker 2>time there on the railroad grade, I had these big

747
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:49.079
<v Speaker 2>rocks thrown down and smacking into trees around me. They

748
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.360
<v Speaker 2>weren't trying to hit me, obviously, but they wanted me

749
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.239
<v Speaker 2>out of there so they could come down and go

750
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.239
<v Speaker 2>into the pond. And I think they were trying to

751
00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 2>get food or whatever, and they just didn't want me

752
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.960
<v Speaker 2>in the area they were throwing big rocks. But it

753
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 2>seems like once you open the door, all of this

754
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:06.760
<v Speaker 2>other activity starts to happen.

755
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:15.280
<v Speaker 4>That's kind of why I ask, because it usually and

756
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 4>I will one admit to this. I used to be

757
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 4>very skeptical about people that had multiple experiences with different aspects.

758
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:25.440
<v Speaker 4>But the more you've talked to it, the more I've

759
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:32.199
<v Speaker 4>even experienced myself, I honestly think it's all connected because

760
00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:40.119
<v Speaker 4>the paranormal aspect to it, the UFO, the cryptid. The

761
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:43.079
<v Speaker 4>more you talk to people, the more I find out

762
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:49.400
<v Speaker 4>that they've had similar experience. It's like it's all somehow intertwined.

763
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.480
<v Speaker 4>I can't explain how that's just how it is. It

764
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.880
<v Speaker 4>just someone's usually lived in a haunted house, but they've

765
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:57.960
<v Speaker 4>also seen a UFO or they've had some sort of

766
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.320
<v Speaker 4>alien activity, but there's a good chance they've also seen

767
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:01.400
<v Speaker 4>something weird in the woods.

768
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:06.440
<v Speaker 2>So it's almost like some people seem to have one

769
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:12.719
<v Speaker 2>foot in another reality that bleeds over for them in

770
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:13.280
<v Speaker 2>some way.

771
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.840
<v Speaker 4>It's almost as if certain people are more in tune

772
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:26.119
<v Speaker 4>with the weird side of things that we can't really explain.

773
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.360
<v Speaker 4>And I don't know if it's the individual person or

774
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:30.719
<v Speaker 4>just because they've had an experience. And once you've had

775
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:35.400
<v Speaker 4>that experience, it opens you up more towards more experiences, And.

776
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that's part of our nature too, and we

777
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:42.000
<v Speaker 2>change our own reality once you once something like this happens,

778
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:43.880
<v Speaker 2>you want to you know, if you've got questions and

779
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:48.159
<v Speaker 2>want to know more, you're almost inviting that stuff in, right,

780
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:49.639
<v Speaker 2>You're almost asking for it.

781
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:53.239
<v Speaker 4>That's what I've always been told and been worn like.

782
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:56.000
<v Speaker 4>Once you start looking into things, sometimes things start looking

783
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:58.960
<v Speaker 4>back and you start having more interaction with things.

784
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I would explain.

785
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:06.559
<v Speaker 4>Is there anything else you would like to discuss?

786
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, the other major incident that I had

787
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:21.679
<v Speaker 2>in June here in Washington at Mount Adam with the

788
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Sasquatch stuff. I wouldn't feel comfortable talking about that. I'm

789
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.440
<v Speaker 2>okay talking with with with you about that. The thing

790
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:34.119
<v Speaker 2>is is I want the person that was with me

791
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.760
<v Speaker 2>to talk as well, because it's better if it comes

792
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.760
<v Speaker 2>from two people, you know, because we both experienced it,

793
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:47.679
<v Speaker 2>and you know, this happened over the period of three days,

794
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:53.280
<v Speaker 2>this experience, and even when we moved campgrounds after the

795
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.119
<v Speaker 2>first night incidents, we had other things happen in including

796
00:49:58.199 --> 00:49:58.880
<v Speaker 2>missing time.

797
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:04.880
<v Speaker 4>So yeah that if they would ever want to come

798
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:06.760
<v Speaker 4>on here, we can have you come back on sometime

799
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:07.599
<v Speaker 4>we can talk about it.

800
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my co host Jackie harmon yep okerfinitely.

801
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:14.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we'll get something set up.

802
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

803
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:20.480
<v Speaker 4>Well, Lee, it's been a pleasure talking to you, and

804
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.559
<v Speaker 4>I am glad that you were able to go on

805
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:23.519
<v Speaker 4>here tonight and talk with me.

806
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:28.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you. I appreciate, appreciate the invitation. For sure.

807
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.000
<v Speaker 4>Would you like to let the audience know where they

808
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:33.960
<v Speaker 4>can check out some of your the shows that you

809
00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:36.639
<v Speaker 4>do and some of your information for like when you're

810
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:37.679
<v Speaker 4>out investigating.

811
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Sure. Absolutely, I have a podcast of my own Element

812
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.679
<v Speaker 2>one on spaced Out Radio and you can find that

813
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:52.199
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube. Spaced out Radio dot com as well is

814
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:58.239
<v Speaker 2>our website. And you know, my show is every Friday

815
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:02.519
<v Speaker 2>night at at from eight o'clock to nine on Space

816
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Dout Radio YouTube. You can find me on Twitch, you

817
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:10.119
<v Speaker 2>can find me just about anywhere you know podcasts or

818
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:14.000
<v Speaker 2>are found. And I do the similar thing you do is,

819
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, I get guests and and we talk about

820
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.519
<v Speaker 2>their experiences and go from there.

821
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:23.559
<v Speaker 4>It's it's a good time. So I don't ask a

822
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:25.199
<v Speaker 4>whole lot of questions. I try not to do a

823
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:27.119
<v Speaker 4>whole lot of talking because I try and always make

824
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:27.920
<v Speaker 4>it about the guests.

825
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:34.559
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, exactly exactly and their experiences because you're just

826
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're just here telling telling a story, and

827
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:41.079
<v Speaker 2>and that's what the audience wants to hear, is the story.

828
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:44.880
<v Speaker 4>For what it's worth. I try not to say story

829
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:50.280
<v Speaker 4>anymore because someone attacked me over that. I say experiences

830
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:51.199
<v Speaker 4>now because.

831
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Apparently, yes, the experience you'll go with, that's fine.

832
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:56.960
<v Speaker 4>It's like as usually if you say story, people get

833
00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.000
<v Speaker 4>mad at you, and I've found out because it's like

834
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:02.800
<v Speaker 4>you're discrediting people. I was like, no, not, I'm just yeah,

835
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:06.000
<v Speaker 4>that's what it is like. People are telling their story

836
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:07.599
<v Speaker 4>of what happened to them. Like, no, it's not in

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<v Speaker 4>a story. I was like, okay, can't please.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody, fiction or non fiction?

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<v Speaker 4>Right, yeah, all right, Well it's been a pleasure talking

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<v Speaker 4>to you. If you'd like to be a guest on

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<v Speaker 4>Tenfoil Tells, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tells

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<v Speaker 4>Podcast at gmail dot com or go to Tinfoil Tales

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<v Speaker 4>dot com and go to the contact section. Make sure

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<v Speaker 4>to follow me around on all the social media's and

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<v Speaker 4>just remember truth comes at a cost. Are you willing

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<v Speaker 4>to pay the price?

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard a story lay last night about something alert

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<v Speaker 1>along a woodline, foot prints, strange lights in the sky.

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<v Speaker 2>They claim it's nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know they light it sees your last to

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<v Speaker 1>laugh in my face. Something about this makes me say,

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<v Speaker 1>what if it's real?

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<v Speaker 2>What if they knew?

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<v Speaker 3>What if the answers are coming from you spending stores,

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<v Speaker 3>wasting mind time? Hearing boy says, is it all in

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<v Speaker 3>their minds? They can call me crazy, but I just

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<v Speaker 3>want some froom.

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<v Speaker 2>What if it's true? What if it's really? What if

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<v Speaker 2>it's true?

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<v Speaker 3>What if the worlds not what we knew?

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<v Speaker 1>Tim for tell Blend me a story that starts where

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<v Speaker 1>the line is gets what if it's real?

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<v Speaker 2>What if it's true? The answers are waiting, They're waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for you.

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<v Speaker 3>They see if the dog man walking, or maybe a

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<v Speaker 3>offman flies.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the very giants hidden beneath the lies.

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<v Speaker 2>They say, it's just stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Pall may believe the fairy tale sport of things we

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<v Speaker 1>can't perceive.

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<v Speaker 2>They won't keep us blindly, they.

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<v Speaker 3>Won't break our wheel.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not buying it. I'm not swallowing another pill,

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<v Speaker 1>foresped poison. The lies were made to What if.

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<v Speaker 2>The truth could set us free?

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<v Speaker 1>The alien sugnals traveling through time, secret space programs, racing

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<v Speaker 1>their minds. They call them crazy, but I just need

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<v Speaker 1>some fruit.

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<v Speaker 2>What if it's true?

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<v Speaker 3>What if it's real?

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<v Speaker 2>What if it's true? What if the worlds not what

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<v Speaker 2>we do?

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Oil tells fully.

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<v Speaker 3>Me in a story that starts where the logic is,

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<v Speaker 3>what if it's real?

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<v Speaker 2>What if it's true?

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<v Speaker 1>The answers are waiting, They're waiting for you. They they lie.

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<v Speaker 1>We all been diving, but the signs are there if

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<v Speaker 1>you open your eyes. The aliens cricked its demon's ghost,

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<v Speaker 1>the devil them two.

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<v Speaker 2>What if it's me or what if it's real? What

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<v Speaker 2>if it's rais?

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<v Speaker 1>What if it's true? What if the world's not? What

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<v Speaker 1>way to do?

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<v Speaker 3>Ten Foil tells fully me a story that.

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<v Speaker 1>Startswear the logic can What if it's rain?

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<v Speaker 2>What if that's true?

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<v Speaker 1>The answers are waiting, They're waiting for you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all in our heads, it's all in our binders.

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<v Speaker 2>These voices can be silenced. The truth must rise.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten for tell it's pulling me through.

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<v Speaker 2>What if it's reading?

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<v Speaker 3>What if it's true? Do you