Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 2: I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy
Speaker 2: of the cult is one of the things that turned
Speaker 2: me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on,
Speaker 2: it turned and looked at us. And one of the
Speaker 2: things I remember the most, where the eyes were going red.
Speaker 2: I see an orb of light. It is just circling
Speaker 2: these steps.
Speaker 3: Like it is waiting for me.
Speaker 1: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
Speaker 2: They're basically like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
Speaker 1: and that's.
Speaker 2: Where I saw the top of the muzzle, noose and
Speaker 2: the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with
Speaker 2: this thing, it don't like death.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to Tenfoil tells tonight, we are joined by
Speaker 4: my guest Lee. Would you like to let the audience
Speaker 4: know a little bit about yourself before we dive into it.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm just a simple guy. Really how this all
Speaker 2: started for me? You know, I'm just a construction worker,
Speaker 2: right and been doing construction, working for the same company
Speaker 2: for thirty one years. And you know I grew up
Speaker 2: as a Catholic, you know, even went to Catholic high
Speaker 2: school and all of that, and I never really believed
Speaker 2: in UFOs or aliens or that sort of thing, even
Speaker 2: though my family had a couple of experiences. I really
Speaker 2: wasn't that old or drawn to that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: But I'm dyslexic, but still I'm really good with numbers
Speaker 2: or not. And that's basically men. I don't know what
Speaker 2: else I can tell you about myself other than I've
Speaker 2: had these experiences that turned up later in life. And actually,
Speaker 2: once we went through regression and that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: then I found out about stuff that happened earlier in
Speaker 2: my life and the puzzle pieces started to fit in.
Speaker 2: And so that's that's how it all began for me.
Speaker 4: Well, if you'd like to dive on into it, I
Speaker 4: guess we can jump on in.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what happened for me is I lived. I
Speaker 2: lived in a home in what's called Normandy Park here
Speaker 2: in Washington State, and it's not very far away from
Speaker 2: Sea Tech Airport, and down at my house you can
Speaker 2: see across the bay. You can even see Moury Island.
Speaker 2: If anybody's heard of the Maury Island incident. It's kind
Speaker 2: of pivotal and key for the story or not for
Speaker 2: the story. But it's in the same location pretty much
Speaker 2: where this this activity happened. Not only that, over to
Speaker 2: the left or further just south is where you know
Speaker 2: the UFOs were seen, you know, flying between Mount Rainier
Speaker 2: and Mount Adams, and that was that was well. I
Speaker 2: don't even have the dates. I don't even have the
Speaker 2: dates in front of me right now, but you know
Speaker 2: that those those were some of the first UFOs seen
Speaker 2: way back in the nineteen fifties, early fifties, I believe,
Speaker 2: and you know that that area right there has always
Speaker 2: been kind of a hotbed of activity. And so here
Speaker 2: I move into this house that I inherited from my grandparents,
Speaker 2: and I did a bunch of remodeling in the house
Speaker 2: and that sort of thing. And downstairs as we took
Speaker 2: up this big room downstairs as our bedroom. It was
Speaker 2: the old theater room. So it's really long, not so
Speaker 2: much narrow, just really kind of long, maybe you know,
Speaker 2: thirty feet almost long by I would say fifteen feet wide.
Speaker 2: So it's a big long room. And down in one
Speaker 2: area has no closets in it at the time, so
Speaker 2: I put in these these armliss against the wall coming
Speaker 2: throwing across one wall and then down kind of the other.
Speaker 2: And I also put in a set of French doors
Speaker 2: in this room, and the French doors went out to
Speaker 2: the lower deck. And one night I woke up because
Speaker 2: it was freezing cold in the room. I'm like, what
Speaker 2: the heck is going on? And the French doors are
Speaker 2: wide open, okay, and there's no reason for them to be.
Speaker 2: They they get locked right there. It's not like we
Speaker 2: were having wind that night or anything like that. When
Speaker 2: you throw that bolt on those French doors, the pin
Speaker 2: goes vertical and goes up and then down, you know,
Speaker 2: to lock it into place. So there's no way that
Speaker 2: those doors can just be blown open. But yet here
Speaker 2: I was like three o'clock in the morning, freezing and
Speaker 2: those doors were wide open. That kind of freaked me
Speaker 2: out a little bit. In fact, I even had a
Speaker 2: word with the gardener. I said, Hey, what the heck
Speaker 2: did you leave the doors opened? Were you doing something? What?
Speaker 2: You know, kind of getting upset at him about it,
Speaker 2: and he's like, man, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I don't mess with those doors. So I just then
Speaker 2: chalked it up to just whatever, whatever, you know, whatever,
Speaker 2: So I'm not dealing with it or thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I just let it go. Well, and about two nights later,
Speaker 2: this thing happened. Okay, And what it was as I
Speaker 2: woke up and I was not in my bed. I
Speaker 2: was laying face down on what I could only tell
Speaker 2: was a table at the time, right, And I'm looking
Speaker 2: at my body on this table, but I'm also able
Speaker 2: to see through my own eyes at the floor, which
Speaker 2: was completely bizarre, and I'm freaking out, what kind of
Speaker 2: you know, messed up dream. I don't know what's going on,
Speaker 2: but it's like a horrible nightmare or something. Right, But
Speaker 2: I could see this light like cascading down over my
Speaker 2: body in this cone fashion, over my body, over this
Speaker 2: table and onto the floor. And I see what looks
Speaker 2: like an apparatus coming down from the ceiling towards my body.
Speaker 2: And this apparatus looked like something from Superman, right with
Speaker 2: all the little compartment things like when he went to
Speaker 2: the ice castle and through the stone or the crystal
Speaker 2: and all these things started coming up. Well, this is
Speaker 2: it was reversed like it was coming down, you know,
Speaker 2: it was reversed to that, and it was coming down
Speaker 2: towards my body, and I was just freaking out because
Speaker 2: I could see this happening and I knew it, like
Speaker 2: my body knew it, and I'm trying to move. I
Speaker 2: could not move, I could not scream. I could garble
Speaker 2: a little bit, and I could see like the streams
Speaker 2: of just uh, just not not so much just druel,
Speaker 2: just a lot of drool coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 2: And I was so freaked out by seeing this thing
Speaker 2: coming because it scared the heck out of me. I
Speaker 2: don't know what I'm looking at, and I can't move.
Speaker 2: It was like I was totally paralyzed, and I'm trying to,
Speaker 2: you know, make noise and scream, and all I'm getting
Speaker 2: is just this garbled miss and these streams of you know,
Speaker 2: just all this stuff coming out of my mouth. Just
Speaker 2: freaking out. And then on the lowest tube, this needle
Speaker 2: pops down and starts going lower and lower, and this
Speaker 2: whole this apparatus is still coming down, but this one
Speaker 2: needle like thing from the lowest tube is keeps coming
Speaker 2: down a little bit faster. And then I can't describe
Speaker 2: the pain as it popped into the back of my neck,
Speaker 2: right at the base of my neck and It felt
Speaker 2: like it popped through my skin and then into my spine,
Speaker 2: and I was I completely lost it. I was just
Speaker 2: in agony at that time, and in about like one
Speaker 2: second later, it was like the hand of God had
Speaker 2: just rabbed me and held me. And it was the
Speaker 2: most incredible, loving feeling I have ever felt or could
Speaker 2: ever feel in my body. The only way that I
Speaker 2: could think about this is saying, you would have had
Speaker 2: to be out of your body to feel this because
Speaker 2: our bodies, our souls cannot maybe our souls, but our
Speaker 2: bodies cannot hold that kind of love. It was immense,
Speaker 2: all encompassing, and it was like Holy cred And then
Speaker 2: I woke up in my bed and I'm my neck
Speaker 2: hurts so bad. So I'm reaching back behind my behind
Speaker 2: my or next between my pillow and my neck, and
Speaker 2: I'm feeling this crusty and wet stuff and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the heck is this right? This really happened. It
Speaker 2: wasn't a dream. I am freaking out, And so I
Speaker 2: woke up my wife at the time. I said, hey,
Speaker 2: you need to look at this right now. So I
Speaker 2: showed it to her and she says, it looks like
Speaker 2: you got some sort of a strange spider bite or
Speaker 2: something right there, because it's all red and everything, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, that was no spider bite. And I
Speaker 2: don't know how to describe what happened to me, but
Speaker 2: I told her the best that I could good, and
Speaker 2: I'm just freaking out and I'm like, this just really
Speaker 2: happened to me. And you know, going to work that day,
Speaker 2: I couldn't get it out of my mind. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe it was just crazy dream. Trying to
Speaker 2: tell myself, trying to rationalize what had happened to me
Speaker 2: and trying to you know, cope with it, and I
Speaker 2: just couldn't, you know. And there was another guy at
Speaker 2: work that kind of believed in this sort of thing
Speaker 2: and bigfoot and that sort of stuff. So I was
Speaker 2: talking with him about it and he's like, yeah, yeah, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, and kind of listening to me, but you know,
Speaker 2: there's work to do, so he got to get to work,
Speaker 2: and so, you know, the whole day, I was just
Speaker 2: thinking about, oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. The next
Speaker 2: day it was a little bit less, but still thinking
Speaker 2: about it, and I'm having a hard time sleeping, you know.
Speaker 2: The nights after this had all happened, and I'm still
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what the hell I'm looking started
Speaker 2: looking online for other people, you know, or groups of
Speaker 2: people I can get in touch with, and you know,
Speaker 2: days and months went by, and I'm still having kind
Speaker 2: of like these flashbacks and these nightmare dreams about all
Speaker 2: this stuff that happened to me or this thing that
Speaker 2: had happened to me. And finally I got a hold
Speaker 2: of a group. Now, this group is called Soufon from Seattle,
Speaker 2: Washington here, and I figured, well, I'll talk to these people,
Speaker 2: you know, and see what they think or whatever. And
Speaker 2: so I was talking with them and they say, hey,
Speaker 2: you need to get a hold of this other group,
Speaker 2: this abduction group. And I'm like, what, there's an abduction group. Well,
Speaker 2: and I had to go go ahead and meet up
Speaker 2: with them on their next meeting, and I was telling
Speaker 2: them all of this stuff, and I'm like hoping to
Speaker 2: go crossing my fingers that they're going to tell me, No,
Speaker 2: that's not how abductions happen. You know, you're you've lost it.
Speaker 2: You don't know what you're talking about. This, that's not
Speaker 2: what happened. That's what I was hoping for them to
Speaker 2: tell me, and they did not tell me that. They said, listen,
Speaker 2: what you've been through is similar to what other people
Speaker 2: have been through. And I'm shaking. I'm freaking out, Like no,
Speaker 2: I was just hoping this with some kind of crazy
Speaker 2: dream or whatever. And they're saying, no, you need to
Speaker 2: get in contact with this lady here. And they gave
Speaker 2: me her card and her name was doctor Janet Coley
Speaker 2: and she's out of Seattle, Washington and Bainbridge. She's got
Speaker 2: a house over there as well, and so I contacted
Speaker 2: her and set up a meeting with her. It was
Speaker 2: like two weeks later. But in the meantime, I am
Speaker 2: stressing out. Man. It was like, once they told me that,
Speaker 2: it was like everything that I had been taught up
Speaker 2: to that point was like a lie, you know, being
Speaker 2: a good Catholic and all of that stuff. I just
Speaker 2: felt like, stuff isn't supposed to be real. This stuff
Speaker 2: is not so supposed to exist, right, and if it does, it's,
Speaker 2: you know, it's the devil, it's you know, all of
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. And I'm trying to come to
Speaker 2: grips with it. And I'm starting to think some very
Speaker 2: dark thoughts around this and how it happened to me
Speaker 2: and what happened. And so I went and saw doctor
Speaker 2: Janet Polly and she, you know, starts this process with
Speaker 2: me called E M D R. And it's not like
Speaker 2: a typical regression. They use eye movement and what she
Speaker 2: does is she'll hold her finger up there and she'll say, now,
Speaker 2: watch my finger, and she takes it back and forth,
Speaker 2: and so your eyes are going from the left, you know,
Speaker 2: the left, to the right, which is supposed to activate
Speaker 2: both hemispheres of your brain. In fact, this is what
Speaker 2: they do for people that you know, have PTSD from
Speaker 2: you know, being in conflict and that sort of stuff
Speaker 2: in war. It helps them, you know, integrate that all
Speaker 2: of that stuff into their lives. And so she started
Speaker 2: doing this with me, and she goes, okay, now I
Speaker 2: want you to close your eyes and think back to
Speaker 2: when you were in your room before all of this happened.
Speaker 2: And I started to do that, and I said, okay,
Speaker 2: so I'm there in my room, I'm looking at my
Speaker 2: arm wah, you know, at the far end of the
Speaker 2: room right now, and there seems to be this amorphous
Speaker 2: blob in the corner over by that armwah in front
Speaker 2: of the arm wah, and I, you know, it's kind
Speaker 2: of this brown and it's kind of got a shimmery
Speaker 2: look to it, and it's just like undulating like water,
Speaker 2: but it's on a on a vertical plane, you know,
Speaker 2: it's vertical up and down, and it's just undulating and
Speaker 2: moving like ripples on the water. And I'm like, what
Speaker 2: the heck is this? You know? And so then then
Speaker 2: I stopped for a minute and she takes me back
Speaker 2: in and she does the thing with the finger, you know,
Speaker 2: and looking back and forth at her finger, and I'm going,
Speaker 2: okay now, she says, close your eyes again and tell
Speaker 2: me what you see now, and she did that several
Speaker 2: times during this and as far as I got for
Speaker 2: that first session was just seeing this hand come through,
Speaker 2: this amorphous blob, like this hand that had four fingers
Speaker 2: on it. And once I saw that, I hopped up
Speaker 2: out of that seat and I said, I'm done. I'm done.
Speaker 2: I can't go go any further right now, you know.
Speaker 2: So that actually ended the session between her and I
Speaker 2: the first time, and so I did make another appointment
Speaker 2: with her, and I realized that I needed to go
Speaker 2: through this, so I went back and saw her the
Speaker 2: second time, and that's when the darn thing pop came
Speaker 2: through the amorphous blob poked its head out. And once again,
Speaker 2: as soon as that head popped out of the blob,
Speaker 2: you know, I just jumped up out of my seat,
Speaker 2: and she she got me to calm down, and you know,
Speaker 2: she took me through this whole thing with with what
Speaker 2: had happened to me. You know, they they came in.
Speaker 2: There was three of them that came into the room once.
Speaker 2: You know, one was like the foot of the bed,
Speaker 2: one was halfway to next to the bed, and the
Speaker 2: other one was right next to me. And they get
Speaker 2: me up out of bed and they somehow float me
Speaker 2: through the the you know the wall next to the
Speaker 2: bed outside into the yard and there's this craft in
Speaker 2: the above the yard and it's got this cone of
Speaker 2: light and we all kind of go up in this
Speaker 2: cone of light into the craft. Okay. Once I got
Speaker 2: on the on board the craft, I remember, and I
Speaker 2: will never forget the smell ammonia strong ammonia spell with vinegar.
Speaker 2: It made me so sick. I puked on board the
Speaker 2: craft once I got got there. And you know, this
Speaker 2: is all during the the e md R regression. Okay,
Speaker 2: So she's she's got me in there in the craft
Speaker 2: with with these three grays, and there's one more once
Speaker 2: we get sorry, once we get on the craft, there's
Speaker 2: one behind the like a station where he's got some
Speaker 2: kind of board where he's manipulating whatever is on the board.
Speaker 2: You get in there, and then they take me into
Speaker 2: this this room. In this room, I remember, it has
Speaker 2: like an oval talk to it, h And they take
Speaker 2: me in there and there's that's where the table is,
Speaker 2: you know, and I get they have me get on
Speaker 2: the table, and that's when all of that other stuff
Speaker 2: that happened in my dream happened, okay, And I had
Speaker 2: to see part of that again, and then she brought
Speaker 2: me through it like several times. She brought me through
Speaker 2: what had happened to me during that session again and
Speaker 2: again and again, like three different times. And then it
Speaker 2: was time for that session to end, and so I
Speaker 2: left that session and then came back the following week,
Speaker 2: and then we revisited that same situation again and again,
Speaker 2: trying to make it so that I'm able to deal
Speaker 2: with the trauma that happened. But still, you know, at work,
Speaker 2: even after the EMDR. The next day, I would see
Speaker 2: things in my mind's eye, like, oh, yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: way they walk. I saw myself walking on the sidewalk,
Speaker 2: like I was walking on the sidewalk, I saw my
Speaker 2: shadow off to the side, and it was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the way they walk. And it was just these
Speaker 2: different things that started coming up for me during the
Speaker 2: days after the sessions, like the fact that their eyes
Speaker 2: are not black like that the one that was on board,
Speaker 2: his eyes were actually blue, big blue eyes. And they
Speaker 2: have like a substance that they can drop in their
Speaker 2: eyes and then they can peel it off like a
Speaker 2: hard shell or something like that, like a like it
Speaker 2: becomes stiff like a lens, right, and they can peel
Speaker 2: that off later. And so like there was all these
Speaker 2: different things that started coming up for me, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: why am I seeing all this other stuff that I
Speaker 2: don't remember. So I went back to her, you know,
Speaker 2: back to the therapiest, to doctor Jenny Coley, and she
Speaker 2: took me, she took back farther and I started to
Speaker 2: see other things that had happened in my life prior
Speaker 2: to this experience, where you know, this shimmery light would
Speaker 2: come through the window and it would bend like you
Speaker 2: were looking in a prism, and it bent and it
Speaker 2: would shine on me, and then I would get pulled
Speaker 2: out through the window via this shimmery light that had
Speaker 2: this quality to it, you know, and it would kind
Speaker 2: of like sparkle in that. And so there was I
Speaker 2: think there was probably at least eight other times that
Speaker 2: she brought me through and I had these other procedures
Speaker 2: done on board the craft, and one of the things
Speaker 2: that came out for me, you know, I never saw
Speaker 2: like hybrids or any of that sort of sort of thing.
Speaker 2: But the one thing I understood about the reason I
Speaker 2: was being taken is because they wanted to know what
Speaker 2: how my environment affected me? You know. What was it like,
Speaker 2: how do the soaps affect you that you're putting on
Speaker 2: your skin, How does the food affect you that you're eating.
Speaker 2: How does you know everything that I was in contact
Speaker 2: with in my environment, how did that affect the body?
Speaker 2: That was their main concern with me. I never participated
Speaker 2: in any other stuff as far as I know. There
Speaker 2: was a couple other things like manipulating shapes like blocks
Speaker 2: and levitating them and stuff like that, but I wasn't
Speaker 2: necessarily participating in any of the other things that I've heard,
Speaker 2: you know, other abductees participate in. But she took me
Speaker 2: all the way back to my first my first incident
Speaker 2: that you know that I that I could recall at
Speaker 2: the age that I was and was. This happened in
Speaker 2: eastern Washington in a place called Winthrop, Washington, where my
Speaker 2: grandparents had a house, and up on the second floor
Speaker 2: is where I would sleep. And one night I woke
Speaker 2: up and there was what I thought, in my mind's
Speaker 2: eye at the time was a ghost, because I thought
Speaker 2: I saw a ghost in my grandparents' house and I
Speaker 2: always wanted to know what that was. And it was
Speaker 2: actually a gray that had come to collect me. And
Speaker 2: there was another gray that was on the deck. I
Speaker 2: could see him on the deck there looking at me
Speaker 2: while this other gray collected me, and they passed. We
Speaker 2: passed right through the wall again and out to the craft.
Speaker 2: I could see the craft outside. We passed through the
Speaker 2: wall right and went right to the craft and the
Speaker 2: same sort of contraption from the ceiling again when I
Speaker 2: was on the table came down and it had it
Speaker 2: had like a it looked like a vacuum cleaner hose
Speaker 2: basically corrugated type of vacuum cleaner hose, and they they
Speaker 2: took a sample of feceats basically, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I what I remember saying during the time, saying to
Speaker 2: them during the regression was if you wanted to know
Speaker 2: what I had for dinner, I could have told you
Speaker 2: you didn't have to do this. And they said, they said, no,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's for this purpose. It's it's you know,
Speaker 2: we needed to sample for these purposes to figure out
Speaker 2: you know, what you're what you've been in contact and
Speaker 2: all of that. So in contact with because I guess
Speaker 2: everything that you put on your skin or you know,
Speaker 2: even like dryer sheets or anything that'll actually get excreted
Speaker 2: out your bowel in some in some fashion. So that
Speaker 2: was the purpose of that whole thing.
Speaker 4: Do you know how many times that you've been taken.
Speaker 2: By I don't know how many times total. I don't
Speaker 2: know how many times total, but I at least with
Speaker 2: doctor Janett Coley, I revisited probably eight times where I
Speaker 2: had had solid memory of something happening to me and
Speaker 2: I never knew what it was. I just thought it
Speaker 2: was just odd. Things like you know, at camp we
Speaker 2: were out in the grassy field and this like on
Speaker 2: Orchest Island is where it was, and I remember seeing
Speaker 2: like some lights in the sky or whatever. And then
Speaker 2: I just felt so tired that, you know, I just
Speaker 2: went right to sleep, and everybody else kind of just
Speaker 2: went to sleep too. And then, you know, so it
Speaker 2: didn't make any sense to me, especially after all of
Speaker 2: this stuff had happened. You know, I'm like, well, I
Speaker 2: want to know about this time, and I want to
Speaker 2: know about this time. What's this mean? And like I'd
Speaker 2: start having the flashbacks, like I say, when I was
Speaker 2: at work the next day of different things, different situations
Speaker 2: popping up, and I'm like, well, maybe this is, you know, connected,
Speaker 2: and how how could this be connected? And like I
Speaker 2: said in the beginning, it's like starting to put puzzle
Speaker 2: pieces together to make a puzzle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But I still to this day, I still don't have
Speaker 2: all the pieces. It doesn't feel like I do, But
Speaker 2: at least I have this this basis to work from that,
Speaker 2: and that's what has drawn me to this day to
Speaker 2: go out and actually look for things, you know, and
Speaker 2: video things in the sky and capture things on camera.
Speaker 2: Now it's because of I want I still want answers.
Speaker 2: I need answers. I feel like there's a purpose for
Speaker 2: all of this, which I you know, have a good
Speaker 2: idea for. But why why, you know what, why do
Speaker 2: they need to know this stuff? I mean, I get
Speaker 2: the feeling that it's kind of like, well, you know
Speaker 2: when we research animals, when we when we look at
Speaker 2: you know, pigs or goats or or any other animal
Speaker 2: that we look at and you know, dissect and figure
Speaker 2: out how figure out how they work.
Speaker 4: You know, That's kind of what I was getting ready
Speaker 4: to say, is it's similar to what we do to animals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So they're they're doing that to us. What's
Speaker 2: you know, what's affecting us in our environment? They're interested
Speaker 2: in that sort of information, I guess, But it's I
Speaker 2: guess they're just like scientists. They you know, they must be.
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you this too. After I had finished
Speaker 2: up with doctor Janet Coley, I think it was a
Speaker 2: total like twelve or thirteen sessions with her. I wanted
Speaker 2: at during that time. I wanted physical contact. I said,
Speaker 2: you know what, if you're going to come get me,
Speaker 2: I want to be awake when you do. And I
Speaker 2: just kept thinking that and replaying that in my mind
Speaker 2: all the time. If you're going to come get me,
Speaker 2: I want to be awake when you're when you do it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so there was one
Speaker 2: night I could tell I get I get the hebe
Speaker 2: GBI's when when I know they're coming, it makes me
Speaker 2: kind of queasy and nervous, and I start, you know, pacing,
Speaker 2: and my hands will shake and I'll start to sweat.
Speaker 2: I know they're coming for me, things don't feel right.
Speaker 2: It almost feels like a different vibration. They they put
Speaker 2: off a different vibration than we do, and it's it
Speaker 2: feels very off putting. So I kind of know if
Speaker 2: they're going to they're coming for me now. But this
Speaker 2: one night, after saying that, saying this for months, you know,
Speaker 2: I want to be awake when you come and get me,
Speaker 2: I went to sleep and I felt them. I felt
Speaker 2: them there, and I turned over and I opened my
Speaker 2: eyes and there was one looking right at me, about
Speaker 2: four inches away from my face. And I looked right
Speaker 2: into their right into its eyes, I should say, and
Speaker 2: it was like, oh no, we can't let you be
Speaker 2: awake we can't whatever. For whatever reason, when they come
Speaker 2: get you, they have to paralyze you, or it's part
Speaker 2: of their protocol ours, whatever it is. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but that's why they always come in threes too. They
Speaker 2: have some sort of a protocol in place. But they said, no,
Speaker 2: we can't allow you to be awake so automatically while
Speaker 2: looking into its eyes. I started numbing and not being
Speaker 2: able to move from my leg from my feet all
Speaker 2: the way up my legs and my torso and my arms,
Speaker 2: and then eventually I blacked out. And that happened probably
Speaker 2: in the span of about two seconds, so it was
Speaker 2: rather quick. And then I was taken and uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that was pretty unnerving. But that is the only one.
Speaker 2: That is the only time that I have seen them
Speaker 2: while being fully awake, other than being like regressed back
Speaker 2: to when when the stuff happened.
Speaker 4: Do you remember when it actually did start? Like how
Speaker 4: old you were?
Speaker 2: I would say that one incident with at my grandparents' house,
Speaker 2: I was probably.
Speaker 4: Five, let's start at a very young age. Yeah, have
Speaker 4: you had any recent by recent, I mean within the
Speaker 4: last few years that you know of.
Speaker 2: I've had some very odd incidents and what I mean
Speaker 2: is I'll wake up in the morning and I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm disconnected from my body, like I'm I'm in
Speaker 2: my body, like I could see through my own eyes,
Speaker 2: but i just feel like very disconnected from it, like
Speaker 2: I'm just going through the motions. And then I also
Speaker 2: will have dreams where like I'm falling and I'll wake
Speaker 2: up as soon as I hit the bed. Does it levitating, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like I'll wake up as soon as I hit
Speaker 2: the bed. So those sorts of things are ongoing, you know,
Speaker 2: and I just I just want I want to I
Speaker 2: want I want answers to two questions that I have.
Speaker 2: You know, you guys are continuing, you know, you're continuing
Speaker 2: to be in my life. What what what are you
Speaker 2: you know? How far is this going? And where are
Speaker 2: we going to? What? What is you know? And it's
Speaker 2: just it's just random stuff that pops up in my head,
Speaker 2: like you know, where do you come from? And and
Speaker 2: all of this other stuff. And during a session I
Speaker 2: did ask that question through gor jenat Coley. I asked,
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, so where do you guys come from?
Speaker 2: And they gave me an answer, and the answer that
Speaker 2: they gave me was They gave me a picture of
Speaker 2: a spiral of planets and it started like at the
Speaker 2: closest planet to me and went like a spiral back
Speaker 2: into the distance. And what I gathered from that information
Speaker 2: was that this this spiral plants is like they've grabbed
Speaker 2: DNA from these different worlds to make themselves, is how
Speaker 2: it seemed to me.
Speaker 4: There was a few things that you mentioned. It doesn't
Speaker 4: really relate to that, but there's a few things that
Speaker 4: you'd mentioned that I was going to bring up. Yeah,
Speaker 4: when you were being taken out the first time, did
Speaker 4: you mentioned like you get actually see yourself almost like
Speaker 4: your consciousness wasn't in your body at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, during my during the dream session, yes, when I
Speaker 2: first realized that I was being taken that is correct.
Speaker 4: And then the traveling through the wall, that is a
Speaker 4: very common thing that I've heard from other people is
Speaker 4: their bodies just it's not like they de materialized, but
Speaker 4: they just go right through solid objects. And I remember
Speaker 4: talking to someone and they said they could see the
Speaker 4: plaster of the wall and they were on the inside
Speaker 4: of it. They could see the slats of the wood,
Speaker 4: and then they were on the outside of it like
Speaker 4: it's like their whole body just like goes right through
Speaker 4: it without Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: Remember that, but it did feel it felt like you
Speaker 2: were going through something m hm tactile, but it didn't
Speaker 2: feel or I wasn't able to really see the inside
Speaker 2: of the wall.
Speaker 4: It just very strange to me that the similarities between
Speaker 4: what other people have talked about, Like it's a very
Speaker 4: common trend when you hear about people that are abducted.
Speaker 4: They all have the floating and then they're going either
Speaker 4: through a wall, through a window, down the stairs, like,
Speaker 4: but their body itself is levitating. And then when you
Speaker 4: have those dreams where you're levitating and then you just
Speaker 4: kind of PLoP back down into the bed, it's like
Speaker 4: with something really going on again, was I actually levitating exactly?
Speaker 2: Was I just being brought back right? Yeah? Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 2: And then the the other major thing with this abduction
Speaker 2: stuff is they don't talk, like, they don't communicate with
Speaker 2: words with me. It's like they use a telepathy that
Speaker 2: is able to convey the information much better than any
Speaker 2: words could ever communicate. They give you pictures and they
Speaker 2: give you sensations, so it's almost like they're activating your
Speaker 2: five senses in a way when they when they converse
Speaker 2: with you, so it's a much faster way and a
Speaker 2: much greater understanding of things when they do converse with you.
Speaker 4: I've always heard it's almost like a telepathic way of talking,
Speaker 4: like you can almost hear their thoughts or they're they're
Speaker 4: in your head, is what other people have described to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not so, it's it's like it's it's a whole
Speaker 2: it's a whole different experience. It's it's almost like they
Speaker 2: somehow activate your five senses to merge with theirs or
Speaker 2: something like that. So it's almost like in their minds
Speaker 2: you can almost feel what they're talking about. You can
Speaker 2: you can see definitely see what they're talking about, but
Speaker 2: it's a whole bunch of sensations that are going on
Speaker 2: at one time. I mean, it's almost like they're activating
Speaker 2: their sense smell with your sense of smell. But it's not,
Speaker 2: it's not the same. It's different, and it's just a
Speaker 2: totally different way of communication. I wish we could all
Speaker 2: communicate like that, because if we could, we would be
Speaker 2: able to tell when someone is lying for sure.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I wonder if we don't have blockage implemented into us,
Speaker 4: so we don't have all access to that sort of
Speaker 4: power with our mind. That's a that's a different rabbit
Speaker 4: hole to go down into. But I always just sure,
Speaker 4: let's say, I just feel like, for some reason or not,
Speaker 4: I don't think we're all very in tune with the
Speaker 4: world around us.
Speaker 2: Well, we've been dumbed down for so many years. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're putting fluoride and all kinds of stuff in the water.
Speaker 2: I mean, what is that doing to us? Right? And
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 4: I think there's all sorts of things that's been going
Speaker 4: on for years and years that have made us to
Speaker 4: the way we are today. That's not the point of
Speaker 4: this conversation. That's for another time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it might be the point of their conversation
Speaker 2: as far as you know, what is happening to us,
Speaker 2: you know, what are we ingesting, what are we taking
Speaker 2: in that's affecting our bodies. I'm sure that that's part
Speaker 2: of their research.
Speaker 4: I've been looking into a few things here and there,
Speaker 4: and one of the more I don't know the typical
Speaker 4: term to use for, but one of the more common
Speaker 4: things that I've been coming across is people believing that
Speaker 4: the abductions themselves are actually not an ET that is
Speaker 4: doing it. They actually think it's us as in humans,
Speaker 4: but our brains are being programmed to believe it was
Speaker 4: ET's but it's actually humans doing all this on people,
Speaker 4: which I honestly be surprised to an extent, But at
Speaker 4: the same time, I don't understand the purpose.
Speaker 2: And do they have the ability to take the human
Speaker 2: soul out of the body and have it sit there
Speaker 2: and watch while they do stuff on that body. I
Speaker 2: don't think they do, But what do I know?
Speaker 4: And that's the other part that's a very common thing
Speaker 4: is when you mentioned the soul, they don't think these
Speaker 4: aliens are aliens. They write them off as demons. Yeah, so,
Speaker 4: I honestly don't know. Like I want to.
Speaker 2: As bad as it says. I want to believe that there's.
Speaker 4: Life and space coming down here and messing around with us.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's like, I think all
Speaker 4: these examples are somewhat plausible. Yeah, so I don't really,
Speaker 4: I don't really lean one direction. I guess that's what
Speaker 4: drove me so hard to find evidence that they're here,
Speaker 4: you know, is my grandparents. My father and my grandfather
Speaker 4: were huge into photography, so I took what I learned
Speaker 4: from them, you know, and then I went to the woods.
Speaker 4: I went out to the to the mountains out here
Speaker 4: in Washington State and started filming crazy things in the sky,
Speaker 4: things that aren't definitely are not airplanes. Has anyone in
Speaker 4: your family ever talked about any sort of experiences like that?
Speaker 2: I didn't want to get into there. There is another yes.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we don't have to talk about it if
Speaker 4: you don't want to. Yeah, I was just curious. You
Speaker 4: happen to know the blood type that you are?
Speaker 2: Abe, Okay? I know the.
Speaker 4: I think it's our They called RH negative or something
Speaker 4: like that. That's the one that a lot of people
Speaker 4: that talk about being abducted usually have, and it's one
Speaker 4: of the more rare blood types. But I also think
Speaker 4: it's one of the ones that can be universal, right right.
Speaker 4: I couldn't even tell you what my blood type is,
Speaker 4: so probably why I haven't been inducted.
Speaker 2: Well, you don't know.
Speaker 4: I do have some really weird dreams sometimes, so you
Speaker 4: never know, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I had no idea until I was
Speaker 2: like thirty eight that this was going.
Speaker 4: On to be one hundred percent honest. I don't know
Speaker 4: if I'd ever want to know, So I don't know
Speaker 4: what it would actually do if I found out, Like
Speaker 4: I don't know, if it drive me even more crazier
Speaker 4: than what I feel like I am these days.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what I don't. I don't want
Speaker 2: that to happen to my worst enemy. Really, I just
Speaker 2: the You have to rebuild your whole life and your
Speaker 2: whole belief system from what you learn, you know, from
Speaker 2: what you now know to be your reality compared to
Speaker 2: what it was before, and doing that in the span
Speaker 2: of a couple months or a month is a hard
Speaker 2: thing to do. I thought about suicide that came to
Speaker 2: mind a couple of times because of this, and thank god,
Speaker 2: you know, working with doctor Jenna Colely, she kept me,
Speaker 2: She kept me away from doing that.
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't understand the impact that certain
Speaker 4: aspects have to people, especially when they have something that
Speaker 4: they go through that's a traumatic experience. Yeah. I've tried
Speaker 4: to say that to a lot of people, like not
Speaker 4: even just abductions, but people that have encounters with things
Speaker 4: that they can't explain. It leaves some sort of an
Speaker 4: impact on these people, and it's something that not everyone
Speaker 4: can deal with.
Speaker 2: It's hard to deal with it, yes, very you need
Speaker 2: a professional.
Speaker 4: And people don't want to talk about it, which I
Speaker 4: completely understand because you have the stigma and the ridicule
Speaker 4: that usually comes along with saying stuff like this. So
Speaker 4: a lot of the time people have to keep it
Speaker 4: to themselves and that's not a very good way of
Speaker 4: going about it either.
Speaker 2: No, it's not. It's hard because it just eats away
Speaker 2: at you. And I mean turning to your friends and family.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's hard to do too. I've had
Speaker 2: to do it over the years, but you know, the
Speaker 2: only way that I was able to do it was
Speaker 2: going through therapy and then, you know, coming to the
Speaker 2: realization that you know, this stuff happened and there's nothing
Speaker 2: I can do about it, and now I need to
Speaker 2: tell other people why I'm spending the nights, you know,
Speaker 2: looking at Mount Rainier or Mount Adams or Mount Baker.
Speaker 2: You know why am I going out there with camera?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's because something happened to me, and now
Speaker 2: I want to prove it to the world that this
Speaker 2: stuff is real.
Speaker 4: What are some of the things you've actually been able
Speaker 4: to catch on film, or anything that you've been able
Speaker 4: to capture for evidence wise.
Speaker 2: Well, I got a full pledged craft in the daylight
Speaker 2: right right in front of Mount Baker. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know it was there. I just took
Speaker 2: three pictures to the mountain consecutively, and the center pitcher
Speaker 2: had the UFO in it. Sometimes when this started with
Speaker 2: me in the beginning and I started going out there
Speaker 2: and filming, I would get the feeling that they were around,
Speaker 2: and I would turn on my cameras and they're lo
Speaker 2: and behold there would be stuff that I captured. Later
Speaker 2: as the years went on, I just let my cameras
Speaker 2: roll from the time I got there till I left,
Speaker 2: and then I would review the footage and find things
Speaker 2: in the footage. So I've seen plenty of objects go
Speaker 2: down into Mount Adams and Mount Baker, like, go down
Speaker 2: into the mountain and plenty of things coming out. And
Speaker 2: usually these consist of some kind of an orb that
Speaker 2: is like a plasma ball that looks kind of like
Speaker 2: a plasma ball, very large in a lot of cases,
Speaker 2: and accompanied with other plasma balls as well, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: I remember one night where I got myself a new
Speaker 2: night vision camera and I said, I'm going to go
Speaker 2: check this thing out. I just got it in the
Speaker 2: mail and I went out in the backyard, pointed it
Speaker 2: at the sky and I got two two came by,
Speaker 2: So it's like they know when I put the equipment out,
Speaker 2: and you know, I've been doing this long enough now
Speaker 2: I know what satellites are. You know, I track them
Speaker 2: actively now and I can I obviously track the air
Speaker 2: traffic as well when I'm out there doing this. So
Speaker 2: it's quite an amazing setup that I have right now
Speaker 2: in the back of my in the back of my
Speaker 2: vehicle that I pull out and I'm able to track
Speaker 2: a lot of different things in the sky, so I
Speaker 2: know when I'm looking at something that is different, that
Speaker 2: it's not supposed to be there.
Speaker 4: I know we said we'd talk about the UFO stuff,
Speaker 4: but I did want to ask a question relating to
Speaker 4: the possible sasquash activity. Do you think that is related
Speaker 4: with the UFO?
Speaker 2: You know, once you open this door, a lot of
Speaker 2: things happened, And the thing that I noticed first was
Speaker 2: paranormal activity per normal type of activity in my house.
Speaker 2: Things being turned on and turned off by themselves. I
Speaker 2: heard a noise upstairs when I lived in a two
Speaker 2: story house there in Normandy Park over the water. I
Speaker 2: heard a bunch of commotion upstairs in the kitchen. So
Speaker 2: I run up the stairs and all the cupboard drawers
Speaker 2: are open and all the doors are open. Everything was
Speaker 2: wide open, drawers were pulled out all the way and
Speaker 2: it was just like, what the heck is going on?
Speaker 2: So it seems once you open this door, things start
Speaker 2: to happen to you. I had. I woke up in
Speaker 2: the morning, first thing in the morning, getting ready for work,
Speaker 2: going to the living room, and I see this blue
Speaker 2: orb above the couch, and that that thing just shoots
Speaker 2: right up through the ceiling once it realizes I can
Speaker 2: see it. So sasquatch stuff. Yeah. I was in search
Speaker 2: and rescue when I moved to Everett, Washington, and that's
Speaker 2: kind of when I started getting into the sasquatch side
Speaker 2: of things. I had things pacing me, you know, off
Speaker 2: the trail. You know, I'd be walking and you could
Speaker 2: hear it crunching in the brush and when I stopped,
Speaker 2: it would stop. And that happened out of Skycombish, Washington,
Speaker 2: Skycomish Off of the Foss River, so that that has
Speaker 2: been an area for me for a long time where
Speaker 2: I've always had sort of sasquatch type stuff happening. One
Speaker 2: time there on the railroad grade, I had these big
Speaker 2: rocks thrown down and smacking into trees around me. They
Speaker 2: weren't trying to hit me, obviously, but they wanted me
Speaker 2: out of there so they could come down and go
Speaker 2: into the pond. And I think they were trying to
Speaker 2: get food or whatever, and they just didn't want me
Speaker 2: in the area they were throwing big rocks. But it
Speaker 2: seems like once you open the door, all of this
Speaker 2: other activity starts to happen.
Speaker 4: That's kind of why I ask, because it usually and
Speaker 4: I will one admit to this. I used to be
Speaker 4: very skeptical about people that had multiple experiences with different aspects.
Speaker 4: But the more you've talked to it, the more I've
Speaker 4: even experienced myself, I honestly think it's all connected because
Speaker 4: the paranormal aspect to it, the UFO, the cryptid. The
Speaker 4: more you talk to people, the more I find out
Speaker 4: that they've had similar experience. It's like it's all somehow intertwined.
Speaker 4: I can't explain how that's just how it is. It
Speaker 4: just someone's usually lived in a haunted house, but they've
Speaker 4: also seen a UFO or they've had some sort of
Speaker 4: alien activity, but there's a good chance they've also seen
Speaker 4: something weird in the woods.
Speaker 2: So it's almost like some people seem to have one
Speaker 2: foot in another reality that bleeds over for them in
Speaker 2: some way.
Speaker 4: It's almost as if certain people are more in tune
Speaker 4: with the weird side of things that we can't really explain.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if it's the individual person or
Speaker 4: just because they've had an experience. And once you've had
Speaker 4: that experience, it opens you up more towards more experiences, And.
Speaker 2: I think that's part of our nature too, and we
Speaker 2: change our own reality once you once something like this happens,
Speaker 2: you want to you know, if you've got questions and
Speaker 2: want to know more, you're almost inviting that stuff in, right,
Speaker 2: You're almost asking for it.
Speaker 4: That's what I've always been told and been worn like.
Speaker 4: Once you start looking into things, sometimes things start looking
Speaker 4: back and you start having more interaction with things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would explain.
Speaker 4: Is there anything else you would like to discuss?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the other major incident that I had
Speaker 2: in June here in Washington at Mount Adam with the
Speaker 2: Sasquatch stuff. I wouldn't feel comfortable talking about that. I'm
Speaker 2: okay talking with with with you about that. The thing
Speaker 2: is is I want the person that was with me
Speaker 2: to talk as well, because it's better if it comes
Speaker 2: from two people, you know, because we both experienced it,
Speaker 2: and you know, this happened over the period of three days,
Speaker 2: this experience, and even when we moved campgrounds after the
Speaker 2: first night incidents, we had other things happen in including
Speaker 2: missing time.
Speaker 4: So yeah that if they would ever want to come
Speaker 4: on here, we can have you come back on sometime
Speaker 4: we can talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my co host Jackie harmon yep okerfinitely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll get something set up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, Lee, it's been a pleasure talking to you, and
Speaker 4: I am glad that you were able to go on
Speaker 4: here tonight and talk with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. I appreciate, appreciate the invitation. For sure.
Speaker 4: Would you like to let the audience know where they
Speaker 4: can check out some of your the shows that you
Speaker 4: do and some of your information for like when you're
Speaker 4: out investigating.
Speaker 2: Sure. Absolutely, I have a podcast of my own Element
Speaker 2: one on spaced Out Radio and you can find that
Speaker 2: on YouTube. Spaced out Radio dot com as well is
Speaker 2: our website. And you know, my show is every Friday
Speaker 2: night at at from eight o'clock to nine on Space
Speaker 2: Dout Radio YouTube. You can find me on Twitch, you
Speaker 2: can find me just about anywhere you know podcasts or
Speaker 2: are found. And I do the similar thing you do is,
Speaker 2: you know, I get guests and and we talk about
Speaker 2: their experiences and go from there.
Speaker 4: It's it's a good time. So I don't ask a
Speaker 4: whole lot of questions. I try not to do a
Speaker 4: whole lot of talking because I try and always make
Speaker 4: it about the guests.
Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly exactly and their experiences because you're just
Speaker 2: you know, we're just here telling telling a story, and
Speaker 2: and that's what the audience wants to hear, is the story.
Speaker 4: For what it's worth. I try not to say story
Speaker 4: anymore because someone attacked me over that. I say experiences
Speaker 4: now because.
Speaker 2: Apparently, yes, the experience you'll go with, that's fine.
Speaker 4: It's like as usually if you say story, people get
Speaker 4: mad at you, and I've found out because it's like
Speaker 4: you're discrediting people. I was like, no, not, I'm just yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what it is like. People are telling their story
Speaker 4: of what happened to them. Like, no, it's not in
Speaker 4: a story. I was like, okay, can't please.
Speaker 2: Everybody, fiction or non fiction?
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, all right, Well it's been a pleasure talking
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