Speaker 1: Welcome to Dorky Out.
Speaker 2: My name is Sonya Mansfield and good luck with your
Speaker 2: video game. Joining me is my podcasting sister from Another
Speaker 2: mister and the co host of Dorky Now, Margo d Hello,
Speaker 2: my friend.
Speaker 1: Hello, my friend. I am checking out the Facebook right now,
Speaker 1: the Facebook. I'm virtue signaling from my apartment to the Facebook.
Speaker 1: We'll get into it.
Speaker 2: We'll get into it.
Speaker 1: We are dorking out about twenty ten's the social network.
Speaker 1: I wonder why why?
Speaker 2: I wonder why this shot up to the top of
Speaker 2: my list. It's directed by David Fincher, screenplay by Aaron Sorkin,
Speaker 2: based on The Accidental Billionaires by Ben Mezrich.
Speaker 1: Sure Yeah, why not.
Speaker 2: Stars Jesse Eisenberg Andrew Garfield, Justin, Timberlake, Armie Hammer, Armie Hammer, Maximan, Jella,
Speaker 2: Brenda Strong, Rashida Jones. And there's a little baby Dakota
Speaker 2: Jim Johnson in there. Adorable and everybody adorable. I almost
Speaker 2: recognize her in special shout out to Ruoney Mara playing
Speaker 2: a woman who breaks someone's heart so bad, think good
Speaker 2: for her.
Speaker 1: Faces on the worst date a woman can have.
Speaker 2: Right, We're going to get into it, but let's start
Speaker 2: with this. Did you see this in the theater?
Speaker 1: No, we did it for Book Versus Movie, my other show.
Speaker 1: So I've seen this movie number I. Actually we did
Speaker 1: that a few years ago. And I do enjoy this
Speaker 1: movie on a filmmaking level, but it lands very different
Speaker 1: from me now than it did five years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: I had a little bit more empathy for Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 2: the first time I saw this. I saw it in
Speaker 2: the theater and I was like, oh, he's just awkward.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, what an awkward dumb dumb who like
Speaker 2: can't you know, get connections? Yeah, form connections and you
Speaker 2: know he I had a little bit more even in
Speaker 2: the movie. I was like, well, what a dick, you know.
Speaker 2: But I was also like I had a little bit
Speaker 2: of empathy. It's like, yeah, he wants to be at
Speaker 2: the cool kids table and he's never going to be there,
Speaker 2: like no matter R does. And now I watch it
Speaker 2: and I'm like, fucking grow up, man. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: want to be like, grow up, bro, grow up.
Speaker 1: That first scene where he's with Rooney Merra at date,
Speaker 1: they had a date and he's doing this, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I've been on these dates. I've been on dates like
Speaker 1: this where it feels like an interrogation by some very
Speaker 1: edge LORDI you know, mixtape loving. Yeah, Belle and Sebastian
Speaker 1: listening douchebag. It brought up stuff for me, like that's
Speaker 1: always my least favorite part of the movie.
Speaker 2: I'm just like super into rust for some reason.
Speaker 1: This is why you throw a drink in someone's face
Speaker 1: is for something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's such a dick to her, and then he's
Speaker 2: so surprised when she's like, you know what, I don't
Speaker 2: want to do this, Like he can't fucking believe it
Speaker 2: that she doesn't want to keep putting up with this.
Speaker 2: By the way, some people that's their jam. They like arguing.
Speaker 2: It's like they're turned on. It's not mine. I'm just
Speaker 2: he's nagging too.
Speaker 1: He's like he's completely nagging her.
Speaker 2: He's constantly putting her down. She's like, fuck, this guy's
Speaker 2: such a creep, and she she says, what is basically
Speaker 2: it's the the thesis of the whole movie. She says,
Speaker 2: you are probably going to be very be a very
Speaker 2: successful computer person, but you're going to go through life
Speaker 2: thinking the girls don't like you because you're a nerd
Speaker 2: and I want you to know from the bottom of
Speaker 2: my heart, that won't be true. It'll be because you're
Speaker 2: an asshole.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's the whole plot.
Speaker 2: Of the movie.
Speaker 1: Like, it's not because you're not rich, it's not because
Speaker 1: I don't think you're smart enough. It's not because of
Speaker 1: any of those things, or I don't understand how much
Speaker 1: of an underdog you are to the rest of the world.
Speaker 1: It's because you're a shithead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a huge asshole, and he is. He continues
Speaker 2: to be an asshole through the whole movie. He goes
Speaker 2: on this date, she's like peace out, like good luck
Speaker 2: to you, and she leaves. He goes back to his
Speaker 2: dorm room and he writes on his live journal blog
Speaker 2: some really shitty stuff about her, and then decides to
Speaker 2: create a website called face Face Smash I Guess or
Speaker 2: face Smash I Forget, And he hacks all these different websites,
Speaker 2: downloads all the photos of like every girl in a
Speaker 2: sorority on their campus and has people ranking them like
Speaker 2: a are you hot or not? Situation, So that website
Speaker 2: that your grandma uses to like all your photos was
Speaker 2: created so dudes could rank their fellow female students hotness.
Speaker 1: It's it makes them feel superior when you do that.
Speaker 1: By the way, Yes, and who are these dudes these
Speaker 1: show they're everywhere, They're fucking everywhere.
Speaker 2: To decide who's hot or not. And if there's one
Speaker 2: of the things about the movie that I would have
Speaker 2: liked a little bit more, I would have liked a
Speaker 2: female perspective.
Speaker 1: From Aaron Sorkin. Yeah, silly me Fitcher.
Speaker 2: Like there's these like little things where it's like like
Speaker 2: a student who's like, that's my roommate, or you know,
Speaker 2: Rooney Mara's character like pops up a few times and
Speaker 2: like pushes back on him, and we get Rashida Jones
Speaker 2: saying a few things to him. But they're really all
Speaker 2: the women in this are just non existent people. But
Speaker 2: also he's a huge dick and there probably weren't any
Speaker 2: women around, so I wanted to hang out with him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: why would they hang out hang out with him? I mean,
Speaker 2: the truth is, I don't understand why Andrew Garfield's character
Speaker 2: hangs out with him. He's such a.
Speaker 1: Dick, But what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was my introduction to Andrew Garfield back same day.
Speaker 2: And he's adorable.
Speaker 1: He's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really really good in this and Jesse Eisenberg
Speaker 2: is so good that yes, people just think he's Mark
Speaker 2: Zuckerberg like and he's not like that.
Speaker 1: No, he's I mean he he's as an actor, as
Speaker 1: a person, he deals with OCD yes. And he said
Speaker 1: that this part was really hard for him because he
Speaker 1: really works hard to overcome that kind of speech pattern
Speaker 1: and that kind of like way of presenting himself to
Speaker 1: people and responding to things like he and he had
Speaker 1: to do it like on a you know, on a
Speaker 1: leven you know, like that a bigger level. And that
Speaker 1: was But he's really good in this movie.
Speaker 2: He is, and everybody is, even even Armie Hammer.
Speaker 1: Both Army Hammers. I have to give him credit. He's good.
Speaker 1: He's a good.
Speaker 2: Book at both Army Hammers. Maybe only one of them
Speaker 2: is a creep? Could we keep the Army Hammer who
Speaker 2: isn't a creep? When I first saw it, I also
Speaker 2: didn't know who Army Hammer was, even though like I
Speaker 2: knew there was a Lone Ranger movie, but I legit
Speaker 2: was like, oh there's two of Like I'm like such
Speaker 2: a yeah. I was like, oh, he's a twin, Like
Speaker 2: it wasn't until I saw the credits. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I get it. But so he goes back to his website.
Speaker 2: He creates this janky No, it's not janky. It's a
Speaker 2: very popular, instantly popular website that spreads like wildfire all
Speaker 2: through Harvard or whatever and ranking these women. He like
Speaker 2: crashes their servers, and obviously woman at the school's like,
Speaker 2: you're a dick. Like there's a scene of him in
Speaker 2: a class where he gets a note passed.
Speaker 1: To him that calls him. It says, you dick.
Speaker 2: It's like you like not even the you know, it's
Speaker 2: just you dick. And he gets all like butt hurt
Speaker 2: and leaves and it's like, yeah, dude, you're a consequences, Yeah,
Speaker 2: consequences for your actions. This face smash website that he
Speaker 2: creates kind of gets the It gets the attention of
Speaker 2: the Vinkel Vas.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's again Armie Hammer twice the Creep and
Speaker 2: their business partner, and they want to hire him to
Speaker 2: like build their social network, which is like Harvard Connection.
Speaker 2: It's a dating site where you would use your Harvard
Speaker 2: email address because that gets you so much pussy, I guess,
Speaker 2: and basically the movie then at that point starts cutting
Speaker 2: between various lawsuits, and I don't know if that's my
Speaker 2: favorite part of this movie. I would have liked, yeah,
Speaker 2: a little bit more straight, because sometimes I got a
Speaker 2: little confused of which lawsuit I was watching. But that's
Speaker 2: oh suing who Yeah, Yeah, I'm like, but that's okay.
Speaker 2: Maybe that was kind of the point. Then we also
Speaker 2: cut back to like it's like Caribbean night at the
Speaker 2: Jewish frat. Came Drew Garfield wearing a straw hat, like
Speaker 2: who agrees to help him fund the what they are
Speaker 2: calling the Facebook? Like all one word, I don't do
Speaker 2: you think that Zuckerberg took his idea from them? Or
Speaker 2: do you think he was like inspired by their idea?
Speaker 2: Do you think they owe he owed them money?
Speaker 1: Basically, I am not gonna say anything that's gonna get
Speaker 1: me sued by Mark Zuckerberg because he's litigious and he's
Speaker 1: and he's feeling himself right now at twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: like he's talking about masculine energy growth tech companies and
Speaker 1: shit like that uses words like virtue signaling, which was
Speaker 1: out of date like five years ago. So no, I
Speaker 1: am not gonna I'm sure sonya, Yeah, he had a
Speaker 1: wild dream one morning. It was all his ideas. He
Speaker 1: wrote them all down and dated it and mailed it
Speaker 1: back to himself. So there's no fucking way he stole
Speaker 1: it from anybody. How about that? Toats okay? Safe safe.
Speaker 2: So he starts working on the Facebook, and he's kind
Speaker 2: of he's stringing along the twins. He's telling them he's
Speaker 2: working on it, but he's not really working on it.
Speaker 2: I'm not really clear if they've like paid him anything
Speaker 2: at this point, but there's just a whole thing where
Speaker 2: he's basically working on his Facebook or the Facebook and
Speaker 2: not doing their work. Eventually, he comes up with the
Speaker 2: idea of adding the relationship status and interested in and
Speaker 2: then he decides it's ready to go. He launched his
Speaker 2: Facebook and it catches on really fast. There's also a
Speaker 2: whole storyline about Andrew Garfield is getting into an exclusive
Speaker 2: club or frat or something that he is clearly jealous of,
Speaker 2: like so jealous because he wants to be a cool kid.
Speaker 1: He wants to be a bro. He wants he's not
Speaker 1: a jock.
Speaker 2: He's very smart, he's very awkward, he doesn't know how
Speaker 2: to talk to people.
Speaker 1: He's not exactly personable. He's not exactly somebody. He's somebody
Speaker 1: Like if you invite him to the party, for the
Speaker 1: dinner party or whatever, like you have to kind of think, like,
Speaker 1: all right, who else is going to be there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know who's he gonna interact with? How is it
Speaker 1: going to go? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I know that. Like people have said, like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe he's autistic and he has a hard time reading
Speaker 2: a room, and yeah, it's like and those things can
Speaker 2: be true, but being as someone who's raising an autistic
Speaker 2: man like that doesn't give you permission to be a.
Speaker 1: No, you can't be an asshole.
Speaker 2: Just no, it's not that's not good enough. Sorry, that's
Speaker 2: not a good enough excuse. So there's this. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: you can tell he's actually really jealous of Andrew Garfield's character. Also,
Speaker 2: he's Andrew Garfield. He's very, very cute, and the ladies love.
Speaker 1: Him Garfields accent of everything.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's so, he's so cute and he's
Speaker 2: every girl. Every woman freaked out at the Golden Globes.
Speaker 2: He was wearing his slutty little glasses and like it's
Speaker 2: too much, it's too much. I get it, I get it. Everybody.
Speaker 2: So they start cutting to different lawsuits. Now we find
Speaker 2: out that Andrew Garfield is suing as well for six
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. We don't know why he's suing yet,
Speaker 2: we just know he's suing. We also know the Twins
Speaker 2: are suing him for a lot of money. And he
Speaker 2: does have this interesting speech where Zuckerberg says that the
Speaker 2: only reason the twins are suing him is because it's
Speaker 2: the first time, like they didn't get what they wanted.
Speaker 2: And there he's not wrong, and he's not wrong. That's true.
Speaker 2: Like they definitely are super entitled.
Speaker 1: I loved that. I'm sorry, sorry, I love that scene
Speaker 1: when they're with the the guy at Harvard. You know
Speaker 1: they're going to report him because he stole their idea,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, he turns at one point, he turns
Speaker 1: to his assistants like can you punch me in the face,
Speaker 1: because he's just so sick of these assholes. He's bad enough.
Speaker 2: They are so entire, they are so mighty. They're like bags, Yeah.
Speaker 1: We're on the rowing team and our dad's a big
Speaker 1: investor in the school.
Speaker 2: And we're getting a meeting with the president. So like
Speaker 2: they're easy to hate, Like, yes, very easy to hate.
Speaker 2: And it's Armie Hammer like, there's all that. So they
Speaker 2: launch Facebook and it turns out like having it kind
Speaker 2: of turns them into like, I guess, for lack of
Speaker 2: a better word, like rock stars, Like they have groupies.
Speaker 2: They go out and there's like girls who are like,
Speaker 2: you found you founded Facebook. You know, next thing, you know,
Speaker 2: they're getting blowjobs in the bathroom, you know, that sort
Speaker 2: of thing. But there's a whole thing where like even
Speaker 2: after he gets a blowjob in the bathroom for one
Speaker 2: of his groupies, he sees Rooney Mara at a restaurant
Speaker 2: and he wants to talk to her alone, and she
Speaker 2: is just like not having it. Yeah, I wish I
Speaker 2: was that cool if I saw.
Speaker 1: An X.
Speaker 2: Like she, you know, just totally schools him the whole like,
Speaker 2: good luck with your video game, like, and immediately he's like,
Speaker 2: now I must make a billion dollars. He wants to
Speaker 2: take the Facebook to the next level because she has
Speaker 2: spurned him again. And what happens after that.
Speaker 1: He winds oh outs, yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Winds in pouds And eventually the website gets the attention
Speaker 2: of Sean Parker, who is the founder of Napster. If
Speaker 2: you are young and you don't know what napster is.
Speaker 2: It's basically how we end up with iTunes and Spotify.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we used to ruin our company servers where we worked.
Speaker 1: I did. Anyway, they had a big meeting because there's
Speaker 1: like four of us that were on Napster all day
Speaker 1: and they downloaded hundreds of songs. Yes, and I would
Speaker 1: trade playlist with friends and you could download anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could say like radio Head, you know the spy
Speaker 1: who Loved Me, I want that that song. You could
Speaker 1: find it and then you had it in a digital
Speaker 1: This was blowing our minds at them. That's like so yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: before we got trouble with Dan Klora's for that, Like
Speaker 1: Clora's really lost his mind, like what do we just
Speaker 1: started on the radio? We're like, dude, you don't get it.
Speaker 1: Before that, we were like burning CD right and making
Speaker 1: mixtapes and yes, and you had to order you know,
Speaker 1: you go through I don't know where you went online,
Speaker 1: but if you were looking for like like I said,
Speaker 1: like a Radiohead B side or something, you had to
Speaker 1: go to the record store and like find it or
Speaker 1: you had to order it. The fact that you just
Speaker 1: be at your desk it just boom, hit a button
Speaker 1: and there it is. It was was like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like rats hitting the pellet. You know, the thing
Speaker 1: is science experiments, Like that's exactly this is what I want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a time y'all where we couldn't have
Speaker 2: whatever we wanted whenever we wanted it.
Speaker 1: Right, that's why we're bitter about the younger generation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're like, you're so lucky, you know, we get it.
Speaker 2: We had to watch commercials, we had to listen to
Speaker 2: the radio that also had commercials.
Speaker 1: Like right and shitty songs you don't care about. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a game changer. It really was.
Speaker 2: And Sean Parker in this movie is played by Justin
Speaker 2: Timberlake and it was not his like first movie, but
Speaker 2: it was like I think the one that people were like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, maybe Justin Timberlake could actually act.
Speaker 1: Be a movie star. Yes, I don't know if he
Speaker 1: ever was a movie star or no. He's he's great
Speaker 1: for Saturday Night Live, Like you give him some sketches,
Speaker 1: he's great, and he commits and he commits to it.
Speaker 1: He doesn't care. I think he's good in this movie.
Speaker 1: I think he's also the right person. Yes, because Sean
Speaker 1: Parker for that generation was hot. For anybody that was
Speaker 1: in a band that lost money from him, they hated him,
Speaker 1: but everybody they like Napster. Everyone liked Napster, loved Napster.
Speaker 1: I thought he was a genius. Yes, he had a
Speaker 1: lot of the especially yeah, and especially in the Bay Area. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there's the he uh wakes up in bed. He's
Speaker 2: got little baby, Dakota Johnson, as you know, the woman
Speaker 2: he wakes up to wakes up with, and he like
Speaker 2: gets on her computer and that's when he sees the
Speaker 2: Facebook and he is instantly like, well, I want to
Speaker 2: get in on that. He's an opportunist for sure. He yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, he maybe isn't he. I don't think he
Speaker 2: like made money on Napster. In fact, he got sued
Speaker 2: a lot for Nempsters. So I think he's looking for
Speaker 2: the next big thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he has a lot of money. I know.
Speaker 1: We talked about this on my other show, Like when
Speaker 1: Sean Parker got married, he spent like three million dollars
Speaker 1: and they like went to the forest. It created a
Speaker 1: Narnia or something. Oh my god right, it was like
Speaker 1: a Lord of the Rings theme and millions he spent
Speaker 1: for this, Like, this guy is not hurt for cash.
Speaker 2: Well, and he had to pay like a massive fine
Speaker 2: or something. He like destroyed some shit when he had
Speaker 2: his fancy wedding if I remember correctly, Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: sure of course of course he would. Of course he would.
Speaker 1: Well, he got it.
Speaker 2: He has a shit ton of money because Sean Parker
Speaker 2: like wormed his way into face Book and basically pushes
Speaker 2: Andrew Garfield out. He he meets with them, he really
Speaker 2: impresses Mark Zuckerberg with like how popular he is, how
Speaker 2: like you know, he he dazzles them with Apple teenies
Speaker 2: and fancy food basically, and he sees how cool Sean
Speaker 2: Parker is and how everyone thinks he's cool. And he
Speaker 2: just gets what he wants. And Mark Zuckberg's like, I
Speaker 2: want that, right, and Andrew Garfield is I think still
Speaker 2: thinking about it like more in an he wants it
Speaker 2: to make money, but he wants to like put ads
Speaker 2: on Facebook.
Speaker 1: That's where he thinks the money comes from.
Speaker 2: And he's not wrong. It does get money from that,
Speaker 2: but it most of its money is data. Yeah, our
Speaker 2: personal information. We're the product on Facebook. So yeah, Sean
Speaker 2: Parker like starts weaseling his way in to them. He
Speaker 2: gets closer and closer to Mark Zuckerberg. He gets him
Speaker 2: to like drop. He encourages him to like come out
Speaker 2: to Palo Alto because California is where it's at.
Speaker 1: We know how to party. Shallow Alto. Yeah, Shala Alto
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of tech money and in Palo Alto
Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 1: I went to San Jose State. That's when I had
Speaker 1: friends from there. They always say I'm from Shallow Alto
Speaker 1: because they didn't do to Stanford. If any couldn't get
Speaker 1: into Stanford Berkeley, Saturday State, it's a great school.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, you were right in the thick of it,
Speaker 2: Like that's yeah, I was. You know, well I went
Speaker 2: to college up north, but like I work and live
Speaker 2: in San Francisco and that's where the dot com bubble was,
Speaker 2: but it was also a lot of it in San
Speaker 2: Jose and Shallow Alto. So he convinces him to come out.
Speaker 2: He they rent a house where they're it's basically a
Speaker 2: frat house, which is probably his dream, right because he
Speaker 2: just wants to like be included and they're all just
Speaker 2: like what doing drugs? And coating and building out Facebook
Speaker 2: and Sean Parker. Basically, he just moves in and he's
Speaker 2: like doing coke and he's bringing girls who are underage,
Speaker 2: and he's also just yeah, he's a prick too. And
Speaker 2: when Andrew Garfield's character shows up, he's like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck is he doing here? And they just slowly push
Speaker 2: him out, and it's it's really sad to watch, like
Speaker 2: he's fucking over taking. He's fucking over his only friend.
Speaker 1: The only friend that he has that really cared about
Speaker 1: him and was like had his back, and he totally
Speaker 1: stabs him in the back because it's more important to
Speaker 1: him to be popular than to be a decent person exactly.
Speaker 2: There's also this funny thing about like Andrew Garfield. This
Speaker 2: story runs in the local paper that he's torturing a
Speaker 2: chicken because he fed some chicken to the chicken and
Speaker 2: that was forced cannibalism. And what's funny about it to
Speaker 2: me is when Andrew Garfield freaks out and he's like,
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: Know that was a thing. Don't fish eat other fish.
Speaker 1: He's not wrong, He's not wrong. I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I've heard about I've seen people feed eggs
Speaker 2: to chickens, Like yeah, whatever, Like he's not he wasn't
Speaker 2: torturing an animal.
Speaker 1: But a college kid that's an animal rights activist is
Speaker 1: one of the most most siperous people. They get their
Speaker 1: knickers and a twist over a lot of things.
Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, every they're coming forget me.
Speaker 1: Sorry so no, no, no.
Speaker 2: College college students who discover what their values are yes
Speaker 2: are like can be the most obnoxious people in the world.
Speaker 2: And I was one of those people.
Speaker 1: At me too, by the way, Yeah, I'm not absolving myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and it's it's part of growing up. It is,
Speaker 2: that's part of college, is there for Apparently you got
Speaker 2: to plant stories about men who feed chicken to chickens.
Speaker 1: You have to, especially at place like Harvard, where just
Speaker 1: it's you're so like in a pristine environment. Yeah you know,
Speaker 1: you're so you're so separate from the real world. But
Speaker 1: they don't think they are, like Yale around ye. I
Speaker 1: know Harvard and Yale, not because I went there, obviously,
Speaker 1: but I know people went there and they tell me, like,
Speaker 1: at Harvard, it's just like Narnia when you're there. I
Speaker 1: can't get Narnia out of my head. But it is
Speaker 1: so special and beautiful and for sure you're in It's
Speaker 1: New England, right and whereas Yale, you're surrounded by the
Speaker 1: city around Yale is not it's not let's just say that.
Speaker 1: So there is like that you are brushed up again
Speaker 1: a little bit more reality, whereas in Harvard, you're in
Speaker 1: Harvard plant.
Speaker 2: That makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, so they slowly they push Edward out. There's
Speaker 2: this whole thing where like they they all get stocks
Speaker 2: and they get like a an angel investor in Peter Thiel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: over at what a creep. We have talked about We
Speaker 2: have talked about Peter. We've talked about Armie Hammer. We
Speaker 2: have talked about Peter Thiel.
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg, Yeah, we've talked.
Speaker 2: About the Yeah, we've done Elon Musk. We did that
Speaker 2: one way too early, like he's proceeded to be even
Speaker 2: We're actually I don't know, have we done a full
Speaker 2: episode on Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 1: I don't no, I think we Yeah, I think we've
Speaker 1: just mentioned him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've definitely talked about him in like bonus episode.
Speaker 2: But we we will do a full episode on this
Speaker 2: guy at some point for sure.
Speaker 1: And Aaron Sorkin, you can make that argument.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, he he has a problematic
Speaker 2: The way he writes women is very very problematic. Like
Speaker 2: they you know, they can never be too smart.
Speaker 1: They're never smarter than the man. Then that they're arguing
Speaker 1: with even he's not the smartest man. Yeah, I mean, and.
Speaker 2: They're clumsy for some strange reason.
Speaker 1: It's oh yeah, Liberty Gibbets.
Speaker 2: Still, I love Sports Night, I love the West Wing.
Speaker 1: I love the Best Winning, I love Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: his work. I mean I'm jealous, I guess, but it
Speaker 1: is as a woman, it's very hard sometimes, Like the
Speaker 1: choices he makes, you're just like, it's an eye roll
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they do the thing with their song and then
Speaker 2: they like I don't understand how stocks work, to be honest,
Speaker 2: but there's this whole thing where they then like diluted,
Speaker 2: like Andrew Garfield, stocks from like thirty four percent to
Speaker 2: like zo point zero three percent, and nobody else, nobody
Speaker 2: else takes.
Speaker 1: A hit like he.
Speaker 2: You know, Mark Zuckerberg doesn't take a hit, Sean Parker
Speaker 2: doesn't take a hit like all these other random no
Speaker 2: one else takes a hit, just him and they like
Speaker 2: push him out. They give him his nineteen thousand dollars
Speaker 2: back that he invested, and they remove him from the
Speaker 2: masthead and everything, even though he had been there from
Speaker 2: the beginning.
Speaker 1: And I think, doesn't he get money later on? Like,
Speaker 1: I yeah, he Susan gets money later on. But still,
Speaker 1: this is a betrayal that's like nice level huge betrayal.
Speaker 2: And like they're sitting in this conference room with their
Speaker 2: lawyers and you can tell like a war knows so
Speaker 2: hurt by what he did. He hates that he has
Speaker 2: to sue this person, and Zuckerberg.
Speaker 1: Wants to sue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like Zuckerberg is such a petty manchild
Speaker 2: that he yeah, he's just so shitty to him. He's
Speaker 2: ug And when he says, like you had one friend,
Speaker 2: like Andre Garfield turns to him and says you had
Speaker 2: one friend? Like what an asshole?
Speaker 1: And yeah, and he has now he's a grown man.
Speaker 1: It's twenty years later and he's a grown man and
Speaker 1: he has a he's married and he's going through midlife crisis. Now,
Speaker 1: is that's the Zuckerberg we're getting now? But he has
Speaker 1: three daughters, yeah, three, and he's raising them with his wife,
Speaker 1: and he's now like taken the red pill and decided
Speaker 1: more masculine energy please. Yeah, and nobody looks at you
Speaker 1: for that, dude. No, And it's okay. And it's okay
Speaker 1: that they don't. It's okay to not to be the
Speaker 1: biggest alpha male. Yeah, you know, but they but that's
Speaker 1: his that's his achilles heel.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He he did a video where he said that
Speaker 2: he wasn't doing content moderation anymore at Facebook, and uh,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna he's just there's just gonna be like
Speaker 2: community notes and we need more masculine energy and blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. And he's wearing this like black shirt and
Speaker 2: he's wearing like a gold chain.
Speaker 1: People were sharing it.
Speaker 2: With like a screenshot of Napoleon Dynamite's brother, and I
Speaker 2: was like, that's about right, it's about right, Like, and
Speaker 2: we have talked about this off Mike. I'm like, he's
Speaker 2: giving me like angry soon to be divorced man energy, So.
Speaker 1: Divorced dad energy. Yeah, I'm like, let's just see like
Speaker 1: on their family by the way.
Speaker 2: Totes toats like I I you know, by his wife
Speaker 2: seems like a very smart person. Yeah, I would hope
Speaker 2: that she could be like, why are you being such
Speaker 2: a dick?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, or.
Speaker 2: Maybe she doesn't care, or maybe you know, I heard
Speaker 2: that she loves that he's doing this like mixed martial
Speaker 2: arts fighting, and I'm like, maybe she loves it when
Speaker 2: he gets his ass kicked, Like maybe she's like.
Speaker 1: I would see the pleasure in that. I would see
Speaker 1: the pleasure in that. Like you live in all those
Speaker 1: fancy homes, you go on any vacation you want, you
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about money, but you're attached to
Speaker 1: this guy. Yeah, and every once in a while you
Speaker 1: do get to see him either with a really uneven
Speaker 1: sunburn on his body because he's goes windscaling and he
Speaker 1: doesn't how to do it, or he's just getting his
Speaker 1: ass kicked, which I'm okay with both of that. I
Speaker 1: could see that.
Speaker 2: Or maybe he's working out his aggression and he's not
Speaker 2: taking it out on her.
Speaker 1: Just a theory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a real piece of work. Let's just say yeah. Yes,
Speaker 2: And there's a whole thing where like he's talking to
Speaker 2: Rashida Jones. He even invites her to dinner and she's like,
Speaker 2: no thanks, but she tells him like, you're not an asshole, Mark,
Speaker 2: but you're trying so hard to be. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I disagree, No.
Speaker 1: He's not trying that hard.
Speaker 2: Hunt Like fifteen years ago when I saw this movie,
Speaker 2: I did agree. I was like, yeah, he's maybe he's
Speaker 2: not an asshole, but he's trying so hard to be.
Speaker 2: Now I'm like, nah, he's just an asshole. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: all these years later, that dude has still not learned shit.
Speaker 2: He hasn't learned anything.
Speaker 1: No, no, and all that he has going for him
Speaker 1: is not enough. And just think about that for a second.
Speaker 1: I could have like one percent of what he has
Speaker 1: and I would be goddamn thrilled. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, he has so much money. He could be
Speaker 2: traveling the world and having these amazing experiences and eating
Speaker 2: the best food and meeting like cool, interesting people, and
Speaker 2: he's like, nah, I'd rather just make life harder for
Speaker 2: people online.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, which is pathetic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his thing when he you know, in the movie,
Speaker 2: he says like the idea of like he wanted to
Speaker 2: help people build connections and make it easier for people
Speaker 2: to connect, And I don't You're not doing that anymore.
Speaker 2: You're making it harder. You're making it easier for people
Speaker 2: to be shitty to each other.
Speaker 1: And also it's easier to like put people in little
Speaker 1: groups and not have them intermingle with one another. So
Speaker 1: I called bold shit on that when he says that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. So there's a whole thing where so
Speaker 2: Rashida Jones gives him the speech you know, you're not
Speaker 2: an asshole, but you're trying so hard to be.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's Aaron Sorkin telling himself that.
Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah totally. And then she leaves, and
Speaker 2: then Zuckerberg sends a friend request to Runey Maara and
Speaker 2: he just sits there and like refreshes, hoping that like
Speaker 2: she's going to acknowledge him, which she won't. Not ever,
Speaker 2: we learn that he's like the world's youngest billionaire. We
Speaker 2: learned that the Twins got sixty five million dollars from
Speaker 2: him and Eduardo, that Andrew Garfield character got an unknown settlement,
Speaker 2: and he also got credit for his work, like his
Speaker 2: name is back on the masthead and things like that.
Speaker 2: But you know he paid everybody off. He's still rolling
Speaker 2: in it. This dude is not suffered.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, he has more than he's ever had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he and you know, this is like for you
Speaker 1: and I and people with a conscience, it's like I think, like, wow,
Speaker 1: what good things can I do with this? How can
Speaker 1: I make the world a better place? And either way,
Speaker 1: and if you have an ego, everybody could know that
Speaker 1: you're doing it for the better place.
Speaker 2: But that's just not beloved right and be rich.
Speaker 1: You can be both and he won't do that. Nope.
Speaker 2: It's so fucked up that the people that are the
Speaker 2: do stuff like that are like Melinda Gates or like
Speaker 2: Jeff bezos ex wife. It's not right prize to me
Speaker 2: that it's women that our ex wives. Yeah, the ex
Speaker 2: wives are willing to do these things. And these dudes
Speaker 2: are not like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg. It's
Speaker 2: all the same shit. Like they I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: They just they want to be cool bros.
Speaker 1: And they don't outgrow it. And they do not outgrow exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like a twenty one year old's idea of a
Speaker 1: cool person that they still have in their fucking heads.
Speaker 2: Yep. And they all want to, you know, go on
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan and like smoke cigars and be like We're
Speaker 2: so cool, right, and it's like, no, we all hate you.
Speaker 1: It's a bouser. If you saw the audience that thought
Speaker 1: you were cool, you would never you would shudder constantly
Speaker 1: from embarrassment. Yes, right, it wouldn't be people that you admire.
Speaker 1: It would just be huchebags like you. No, it's so
Speaker 1: they don't see that. Yeah, And I think.
Speaker 2: This movie, like I was worried it wasn't going to
Speaker 2: age well for me, but actually it's still played pretty
Speaker 2: well for me.
Speaker 1: It's very watchful. I don't want to shoot on this movie.
Speaker 1: I mean I find it. It's very watchful. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: still I go along with the pace of it. The
Speaker 1: acting's great. I agree with the choices that they make.
Speaker 1: I really feel like I'm at Harvard. I really feel
Speaker 1: like I'm in Silicon Valley. I feel their pain. I
Speaker 1: see the whole journey. So it's it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: Fincher and Sorkin, who you can have your problems, you know,
Speaker 1: your Sorkin problems whatever. But he's good at writing. I
Speaker 1: mean he's to write a script. He knows how to
Speaker 1: put a story together. And Fincher's like direction is always amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's done some of my.
Speaker 2: Favorites, Like, yeah, he's so so good, And I just
Speaker 2: think that the original like thesis was the like, you're
Speaker 2: not an asshole, but you're trying so hard to be,
Speaker 2: when really the thesis is.
Speaker 1: You're you're an asshole, and this was your chance to
Speaker 1: kind of of like set the standard for yourself to
Speaker 1: be better, right, And instead he saw it as like
Speaker 1: this is a license for me to be even worse.
Speaker 1: It sucks, and it sucks, and it hurts a lot
Speaker 1: of people, and it's hurting a lot of people. It's
Speaker 1: hurting marginalized people the most. That's the people that and
Speaker 1: so when yeah, I don't know, it's actually starting to
Speaker 1: wear me down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a It is a very good movie.
Speaker 2: It is super watchable. Again, the performances are really really good.
Speaker 2: I was glad we watched it, Like I think I
Speaker 2: needed I think I needed to get it.
Speaker 1: Out of my system. Yeah I could be like, Okay.
Speaker 2: We've done this. This movie was nominated for eight Academy Awards,
Speaker 2: and I thought I would like to go through some
Speaker 2: of them for you. Yeah please, Okay, So it was
Speaker 2: nominated for Best Director for David Fincher also nominated The
Speaker 2: Cohen Brothers for True Grit. I like that movie, david
Speaker 2: O Russell for The Fighter. We've done an episode on
Speaker 2: david O Russell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thanks.
Speaker 2: Christian Bale is really good in that movie, but I
Speaker 2: could skip it. Darren are of Natsky for Aaronsky Thank
Speaker 2: you for Black Swan.
Speaker 1: He's from Brooklyn. I wrote about him in my book.
Speaker 2: And then the winner was Tom Hooper from The King Speech,
Speaker 2: a movie we're all still talking about.
Speaker 1: All the time. Oh my god, what a fun movie
Speaker 1: that was. You know, of all those, I like The
Speaker 1: Social Network the best, to be honest with you, True Grit.
Speaker 1: Maybe True Grit is better. Yeah, I haven't seen that
Speaker 1: in a while, but I think, like of all of them,
Speaker 1: True the Social Network is the most watchable for sure.
Speaker 2: It was nominated for Best Picture obviously King Speech one,
Speaker 2: but other movies nominated. I know, King Speech is fine,
Speaker 2: It's fine.
Speaker 1: It's a Mirrimax movie. Yeah, Harvey Weinstein another way he screwed.
Speaker 2: Us all over Yeah boo.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other movies here, it's like, okay, uh, Black Swan, no,
Speaker 2: The Fighter, no Inception, No, the kids.
Speaker 1: Are all right. No.
Speaker 2: I don't like any of the one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: seven hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I watch a guy cut his arm off. I
Speaker 1: didn't even watch it. I never same Franco. Another creep
Speaker 1: by the way. Uh.
Speaker 2: Toy Story three, Yeah, that's great, which I've seen more
Speaker 2: times than I could count.
Speaker 1: Because and it makes me cry my fucking eyes.
Speaker 2: I used to run out of the room because it
Speaker 2: would make me. Toy Story two and three maybe cry like.
Speaker 1: They will fuck you up? Yep.
Speaker 2: And then True Grit was also nominated. And Winter's Winter's Bone.
Speaker 1: That's another bummer. I mean, you watch it once and
Speaker 1: then you never did to see it again. It's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's also Jennifer Lawrence like skinning arect Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a squirrel whatever she's skinning.
Speaker 2: Uh, Jesse, people have to do to eat byway, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but we don't want to watch it.
Speaker 1: I watch it. I want to watch that.
Speaker 2: So Jesse Eisenberg was nominated for Best Actor.
Speaker 1: And he's good in this movie. But he's so, he's
Speaker 1: so and he's not a creep. He was one of
Speaker 1: our non creeps. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if you haven't seen it yet, a real paint
Speaker 2: or yeah, a real pain streaming. I think it might
Speaker 2: even be on Hulu right now, if you have Hulu.
Speaker 2: He wrote and directed it. It's getting all kinds of yeah,
Speaker 2: got a buzz, It's got some buzz here. And Kulkin
Speaker 2: is so good in it that it's it's very good.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a walkie talkie movie. I like it
Speaker 2: so other movie people nominated for Best Actor. James Franco, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Jeff Bridges for True Grit, always great, Javier Bardem for.
Speaker 1: Bootiful but I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then call him Firth one for the King speech.
Speaker 1: He should have won for Pride and Prejudice.
Speaker 2: I think that that was a I think that was TV.
Speaker 1: But he well, he deserves all the awards for that.
Speaker 2: Yes, even Oscars. They should give it to him For's Diary.
Speaker 1: He's mister Dercy forever for me.
Speaker 2: That's right, me too. Let's see. Uh, Adam Andrew Garfield
Speaker 2: was not nominated, which is that's that is not cool?
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: It was nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay and it won.
Speaker 1: It's a good screenplay. I mean, it's infuriating, but I
Speaker 1: think that's also part of it too, Like that's great character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all the other adapted screenplays and movies we
Speaker 2: already mentioned one and twenty seven Hours, Hard Pass, Toy
Speaker 2: Story Three, Great True Grit, and Winter's Bone, and I
Speaker 2: believe it was also nominated for Yes. Original score is.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's why. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And they did the score for him and what's his name,
Speaker 2: Atticus Ross. Yes, And they also did the score for Challengers,
Speaker 2: which has been winning some awards for the score because
Speaker 2: it's really good. It's a really good score.
Speaker 1: Did you see Challengers? No, I don't even know what
Speaker 1: that is.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the one with Zendeia and they're playing tennis.
Speaker 1: And now I've seen the zenda Is it Zendaya the
Speaker 1: movie that the the the French movie that takes place
Speaker 1: in Mexico and it has the trans person.
Speaker 2: Oh that that's Amelia Perez.
Speaker 1: Right, so it's People have been sending me clips and
Speaker 1: it's of Selena Gomez trying to speak Spanish and it's reallyful.
Speaker 2: She's been nominated for all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: Wars. I don't know why, and I like her.
Speaker 2: Zoe Saldana is in Amelia Perez and she steals that
Speaker 2: whole movie and she's the star of the movie. Like
Speaker 2: for some reason, she is in the supporting categories, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, she's the star, she has the most screen time,
Speaker 2: like she is the lead in that movie, but they're
Speaker 2: not pitching it that way. She is supporting and but
Speaker 2: she's really really great in it. So anyway, Social Network
Speaker 2: one for original score. The other scores are one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty seven hours because who everyone loves that? Yeah, yes, Diddy, Yeah,
Speaker 2: how to Train your Dragon inception in the King's speech.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, we don't have to keep going
Speaker 2: through all of these.
Speaker 1: I guess. Do you want to hear the top ten
Speaker 1: songs from when this came out? Yeah? I do. Let's
Speaker 1: do that. So it's February first, twenty ten. Uh, and
Speaker 1: I don't know half of these. It's gonna be pretty embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Hold on, adjust, no nodjust okay. So number ten is
Speaker 1: Far East Movement featuring God damn it, kat Terras. I
Speaker 1: can't even say. It's like six G six like AG six.
Speaker 2: Oh I do know that song?
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know it. Yeah, I know there's there's
Speaker 1: flow Rida with David Guda. Club can't handle me.
Speaker 2: I bet if I heard it.
Speaker 1: Maybe number eight Nelly also going to the Trump thing
Speaker 1: H for just a Dream. Number seven Enrique Iglesias with Pitbull.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: A gain, I heard it.
Speaker 1: Uh, that's so that's seven. Number six is Tao Cruise Dynamite.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I know that one. Tao number five Usher
Speaker 1: with Pitbull, DJ got Us Falling in Love. I know
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 2: Yep, there's one.
Speaker 1: There's one. Number four, I know this one Katie Perry
Speaker 1: Teenage Dream.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a catchy song.
Speaker 1: She used to put out really good pop songs. Guys.
Speaker 1: That's number four. So number three is Rihanna who I
Speaker 1: Love Only Girl in the World. I still love that.
Speaker 2: Song, love that song and love her dope.
Speaker 1: Number two Eminem with Rihanna Love the Way You Lie.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, I know one two and number one
Speaker 1: Bruno Mars Just the Way You Are. I love that song. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there's some I knew. Yeah, good job. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What else are you dorkying out about? My friend?
Speaker 1: Well, we were recording our other show the other day
Speaker 1: and I found out when we were done that David died,
Speaker 1: and I've it really was like a gut punch because
Speaker 1: we've lost somebody who not only was just talented, but
Speaker 1: uber talented, just like an artist in the truest sense
Speaker 1: of the world, like he looked at the world so differently,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't a shithead about it. He was much
Speaker 1: more about you should you know, come and see what
Speaker 1: I'd see. This is fun. So I've been going back
Speaker 1: and watching Twin Peaks again and it really really holds
Speaker 1: up and it really kind of makes you sad at
Speaker 1: the same time, because where's our David Lynch.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I I don't know why. I was surprised
Speaker 2: at like how much this one hurt.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I was like to Bob's big boy. Every
Speaker 1: day they have like a big they have, like all
Speaker 1: these people showed up and they were like putting their
Speaker 1: remembrances to him. Trent Reznor talked about it. Kyle McLaughlin's
Speaker 1: been it's like Twin Peaks. If you don't know, it
Speaker 1: came out a nineteen ninety and this is before Disney
Speaker 1: was a part of ABC, so they could be a
Speaker 1: little edgier, and that show was super fucking edgy. And
Speaker 1: we used to we used to actually attach the TV
Speaker 1: to the speakers, which was a big deal for us.
Speaker 1: We had like surround sound and to watch because everything mattered,
Speaker 1: every shot mattered. Every song mattered, like it just it
Speaker 1: was so fun. So I've been like doing my twin
Speaker 1: Peaks dive and it's so great, so.
Speaker 2: Good and and creepy and yes, like the character of
Speaker 2: Bob absolutely terrified me, terrified me back in the day.
Speaker 1: And then just like finding out, like the whole point
Speaker 1: of the show was like who killed Laura Palmer? And
Speaker 1: everyone was obsessed, yes, and then you find out what
Speaker 1: happened Laura Palmer. It's like deeper and more depraved and
Speaker 1: giers than you could even imagine. But that was part
Speaker 1: of the show. But then you also had other people
Speaker 1: like Andy the sheriff guy, and that like the Kimney girl,
Speaker 1: and they were they had a thing going. And then
Speaker 1: David Lynch shows up and he's like an FBI guy
Speaker 1: that's hard of hearing, so he like yells all of
Speaker 1: his lines. And there's Miguel Frere is in there. David
Speaker 1: d'covney shows up, David Ducumney, I think in drag, but he.
Speaker 2: Plays a he's a trans yeah, a trans woman.
Speaker 1: I mean it's Sherilyn Fenn is so beautiful, Eric Flip
Speaker 1: Loyal is adorable. I just such a great cast, such
Speaker 1: a mood, the cherry pie and the coffee, I mean,
Speaker 1: just everything about it. It's just like it brings me
Speaker 1: back to nineteen ninety and it's it's that's been like
Speaker 1: sort of the way I've been soothing myself well in Usingham.
Speaker 2: Just such a brilliant weirdo. Yes you know, and and
Speaker 2: not a dick about it.
Speaker 1: No, he's not mean about it. Is the things like
Speaker 1: I'm into this and these are things that interest me
Speaker 1: and if you want to come along, great, if not,
Speaker 1: that's cool. You know, he's the anti Zuckerberg. He doesn't
Speaker 1: doesn't need all of that outward validation. He just kind
Speaker 1: of fun and he finds joy in simple things, which
Speaker 1: is really beautiful and like more people need to be
Speaker 1: like more this please.
Speaker 2: I watched Muholland Drive, yeah when I found out, and
Speaker 2: it's on the Criteria. They have a bunch of his
Speaker 2: movies right now in the Criterion channel, so if you
Speaker 2: have it, you can do that. And then I did
Speaker 2: read that Pluto TV the Pluto app they have uploaded
Speaker 2: all of Twin Peaks, so if you want, and you
Speaker 2: can watch it for free, so if you haven't watched it,
Speaker 2: but Mholland Drive is a fuck is like a mind fuck,
Speaker 2: and it's another one that's like creepy and weird. And
Speaker 2: Naomi Watts is so fucking good in it.
Speaker 1: And she posted on Instagram how she felt, and she's
Speaker 1: like I was. She said she was auditioning for like
Speaker 1: ten years and wasn't getting anything, and then she met
Speaker 1: David and David Lynch and they said she said like
Speaker 1: it just changed her life commutely.
Speaker 2: And I see that because I remember the first time
Speaker 2: I saw it. She she's playing two people and the
Speaker 2: physical transformation from one to the other is really fucking
Speaker 2: impressive and kind of broke my brain the first time
Speaker 2: I saw it because she's doing it without like prosthetics
Speaker 2: or makeup or it was just the way she carried herself. Anyway,
Speaker 2: She's so so good in it. And again, all his
Speaker 2: movies are out there for streaming and.
Speaker 1: People should do it. But Twin Peaks is such a vibe.
Speaker 1: It's such a vibe. Everyone should see Twin Peaks in
Speaker 1: their lifetime. Okay, maybe you don't want to, maybe we'll
Speaker 1: just watch twe episode. You're fine, But I mean, seriously,
Speaker 1: having like a whole evening of it is really fun.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you watch the pilot and then
Speaker 2: you don't go on to the next one like that.
Speaker 1: That would boggle my mind.
Speaker 2: Like I watched the pilot so many times back in
Speaker 2: the day because I just loved it so much.
Speaker 1: But yeah, David Lynch, Yeah, I've Also there's a couple
Speaker 1: of documentaries about Diddy. There's Diddy's Down from Ball on Hulu.
Speaker 1: There's one on Peacock. Uh, he's a pig, He's a
Speaker 1: he's a discussing.
Speaker 2: I haven't watched any of them yet, or any of
Speaker 2: them telling us things we don't already know.
Speaker 1: No, But it's also like it's just it's the people
Speaker 1: are coming out of the woodwork, Like I think people
Speaker 1: are finally like I've been terrified to say anything because
Speaker 1: he will get people killed. Apparently I can't prove that,
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not saying he did, but it's
Speaker 1: something that people hint at, Okay, and that's their fear,
Speaker 1: Like not even just like, oh, I won't have a
Speaker 1: career show business anymore. It's like way beyond the fear
Speaker 1: they have of him, Okay, and and so, and I
Speaker 1: like to see cockroaches coming out in the light being exposed.
Speaker 1: That's part of the thrill for me. That's part of
Speaker 1: my thing. Uh, there's a There's on Disney. There's oh No,
Speaker 1: so Disney Hulu. They have the Diddy on Max. They
Speaker 1: have an update on our family family Vloggers.
Speaker 2: I watched that last night. I'm gonna have fod feelings
Speaker 2: about this one. But this was one of three episodes,
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, and they're dropping them weekly. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I know this story. I've heard this story. I but
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna watch it play out, and I know
Speaker 2: it's gonna make me so fun and angry.
Speaker 1: It's gonna make me so angry. It's a family that
Speaker 1: makes their living putting out family vlogs, and this is
Speaker 1: all happened within our generation and we're finding out now
Speaker 1: it's really not a great idea to have your children
Speaker 1: be on camera for other people to consume, like from
Speaker 1: the time they're born until they're eighteen. These kind of damaging.
Speaker 2: These people make a lot of money. Like Calvin, my
Speaker 2: son is thirteen now and he over the years has
Speaker 2: watched different like family vlogs that like come across his feed,
Speaker 2: and he's watched one called like the one that's like
Speaker 2: Ryan's World with the boy who reviews toys they like
Speaker 2: briefly talk about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's watched that.
Speaker 2: He's watched the one called the Tannerites, which I believe
Speaker 2: is like a Mormon family with like eight kids. He's
Speaker 2: watched some of those like and they. I do think
Speaker 2: it's interesting that they're interviewing people who watch those family
Speaker 2: vlogs and what they get out of them. And I understand,
Speaker 2: like you want a sense of community, or you're maybe
Speaker 2: you're pregnant and your friends aren't having babies and they're
Speaker 2: looking to like learn yeah stuff, But like they're the
Speaker 2: idea of them. A lot of these people quit their
Speaker 2: jobs and they like monetize their family, right.
Speaker 1: And the thing is you have to feed the beast,
Speaker 1: like you constantly have to come up with content. It's
Speaker 1: just every single day is not enough. You always want more.
Speaker 1: You have to keep people engaged, so they have to
Speaker 1: just so you start just coming up with shit. And
Speaker 1: and these kids, there's a generation of kids that we're
Speaker 1: going to learn about when they're in their like forties
Speaker 1: and they're finally getting therapy and stuff that's going to
Speaker 1: be mind blowing. But that's on Max. I really like
Speaker 1: American Jesus what is the word.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, I haven't started it yet.
Speaker 1: I like it. It's it's about a true event in
Speaker 1: Utah that was a Mormon community. They had a Mormon
Speaker 1: governor and then they had Native Americans that were living
Speaker 1: where they wanted to live. You know, they're kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're showing it. We need people, we need the space.
Speaker 1: And is it Kerry Gilben Betty Gilbin, Yes, Betty Guilben.
Speaker 1: She is the lead, and she she's so good. But
Speaker 1: she's also like she's good at she's great and everything.
Speaker 1: And I want to read her book. She has a
Speaker 1: she's on biography. Yeah, and I hear it's really great.
Speaker 1: Her character, though, literally makes the worst choices at the
Speaker 1: worst possible moment because she refuses to not be listened to.
Speaker 1: And it's a case where like a woman, like just
Speaker 1: as a person, sometimes you really just got to bow
Speaker 1: to the people around you and they know it better
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, but it's still really good. And then
Speaker 1: you know Real Housewives Salt Lake City fantastic season.
Speaker 2: Oh so good, y'all. I just I just upped my
Speaker 2: Hulu plan to live deg I.
Speaker 1: Can watch the reunion in real time. It's like I
Speaker 1: can't wait.
Speaker 2: I need to see it. The season is good, like
Speaker 2: Chef's Kiss. The season's been so fucking good, Like I think.
Speaker 2: We talked about this off Mike about what an amazing
Speaker 2: season it's been and I both of us were like,
Speaker 2: I don't think that they can top last seasons, right,
Speaker 2: We didn't think they're with the like receipts, timeline screenshots, emails.
Speaker 2: I was like, they'll never pass that up. And this
Speaker 2: one was.
Speaker 1: So fucking good. It was so good because they're all Cray.
Speaker 1: They are all Cray Cray. They're batshit, I mean, and
Speaker 1: it's funny because the accused one of a narcissism and
Speaker 1: it's like, narcissist? Do you not know about yourselves this point? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they're they're having the reunion coming up, and
Speaker 1: it's yeah, I'm I'm super psyched. Yes, it's just great.
Speaker 2: In this finale, they did a thing where they were
Speaker 2: all reading the meanest things they've said about each other
Speaker 2: on their phone, and I told Margo, I was like,
Speaker 2: I would throw my phone into the ocean before I
Speaker 2: would before I would read.
Speaker 1: You know that? And also like I'm at the age
Speaker 1: and I don't drink anymore. Too, So that's cut down
Speaker 1: a out of my texting. But I also like the
Speaker 1: older I get, the less I commit to emails or
Speaker 1: texts that are like really heated. Yeah, because, as Derinda
Speaker 1: says from Real Housewives of New York, say it, regret it,
Speaker 1: say it, forget it, write it, regret it. Like when
Speaker 1: you put things in words that other people can read,
Speaker 1: it makes it so much worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's there forever it is, just like she
Speaker 2: says in the social network she says, the Internet's in ink.
Speaker 1: Yep, it's out there even when you delete it. It's
Speaker 1: you delete the deleteds. Yeah, delete the deleted That's another
Speaker 1: Real Housewives saw like saidy there's like the best section
Speaker 1: of like I know you deleted it, but you delete
Speaker 1: the deleted Oh yeah, there's a because there's a deleted
Speaker 1: folder for the deleteds. Oh really.
Speaker 2: Oh my's great, so fucking good? Uh anything else on
Speaker 2: your list?
Speaker 1: No, that's it. Everything on your.
Speaker 2: List was on my list, except I have decided to
Speaker 2: catch up with The Gilded Age, which I didn't watch
Speaker 2: so good the first time around, So I am about
Speaker 2: halfway through season two. It's just I can't believe that
Speaker 2: I waited this long. Yeah, like it's totally my jam.
Speaker 2: I like these kinds of shows. Everyone is so good
Speaker 2: in it. I love the clothes I love like. I
Speaker 2: like Bridgerton too, Like I like this sort of thing.
Speaker 2: So the fact that I waited so long, I hope
Speaker 2: the season three starts soon. Actually, let me google that
Speaker 2: right now, Gilded Age season three. Let's see if we
Speaker 2: have a date, because I don't want to wait. It
Speaker 2: says sometime this year.
Speaker 1: It's Christine Baranski and there's so many great people in it.
Speaker 1: And you know, for me, it's Cynthia Nixon, Robert Sean
Speaker 1: Leonard was in there the second season. There's just so many.
Speaker 1: It was so happy to see him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Same, Carrie June is so great. I think it's Morgan
Speaker 2: Spencer plays her husband. He's so great. That's Meryl Streep's
Speaker 2: daughter is playing Marion's and.
Speaker 1: She's so good.
Speaker 2: It's it's really really enjoyable, and like, I'm so glad
Speaker 2: that I decided to pick it up and watch it. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's one of my other things. And yeah, after I
Speaker 2: look at the inauguration is happening next week. I'm just
Speaker 2: looking for shit to keep it together for the next weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, once I finished.
Speaker 2: Gilded Age, then what, I don't know, I'll move on
Speaker 2: to something else. Maybe I'll go back and watch some
Speaker 2: other Real Housewives.
Speaker 1: We have to find comfort somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything on your list was on my list, so
Speaker 2: that means you're watching great stuff. Margo.
Speaker 1: Yep, we share a brain, so we do.
Speaker 2: I know we do share a brain. So this was
Speaker 2: super fun. I wanted to say, if you would like
Speaker 2: to give us a review wherever you listen to your podcasts,
Speaker 2: that would be amazing because it helps us find our people.
Speaker 2: And somebody did that for us. They gave us a
Speaker 2: five star review on Apple and it's from someone named
Speaker 2: dork Queen. I expect this of you, dork Queen, and
Speaker 2: she was just saying how much she loves that we
Speaker 2: like go through the whole plot and that she's watching
Speaker 2: she's listening to the Office Space one now and she
Speaker 2: gave us five stars. So thank you for that, and
Speaker 2: if you y'all could do that, it would be super helpful.
Speaker 1: My friend.
Speaker 2: Where can people find you on the internet.
Speaker 1: I'm at Brooklynfitchick dot com as of now, I'm at
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Fitchick for threads and Instagram, I'm at Brooklyn Rgo
Speaker 1: for TikTok see how that goes, and for a Blue Sky,
Speaker 1: And then I'm on YouTube at my name Margo Donahue.
Speaker 2: Follow her on the things. She's always sharing clips of
Speaker 2: stuff for our other podcast that we also co host
Speaker 2: called What a Creep, where we talk about creeps in
Speaker 2: the past and the present and right now. Our episode
Speaker 2: out right Now is related to last week's doorking out
Speaker 2: where she's talking about like the creepy plot lines of
Speaker 2: John Hughes movies.
Speaker 1: Yes, we talked about fun, Yeah, talk about we talk
Speaker 1: with sixteen candles, pretty pig, but we also throw some other,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe lesser known, Yes, Hughes material, and we
Speaker 1: don't shit on Hughes himself as a human being.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's just.
Speaker 1: About some of the plot lines that he had in
Speaker 1: his problematic problematic as fuck.
Speaker 2: Yes, So follow her on all the things and check
Speaker 2: us out over there. You can find me at the
Speaker 2: Sonia Show dot com. That's never gone away. I'm on
Speaker 2: Instagram and threads for now. You can find me on
Speaker 2: Blue Sky also at the Sonia Show, and I'm on
Speaker 2: TikTok too until they pry it out on my cold dead.
Speaker 1: Ahead, so sad.
Speaker 2: It's really bumming me out that that's going away. But
Speaker 2: what will I do with all that free time? I
Speaker 2: don't know. You can find dorking Out at doorkinoutshow dot com.
Speaker 2: You can email us at dorking Outshow at Gmail. We
Speaker 2: take requests, so if you have a movie you'd like
Speaker 2: us to talk about, send it our way. If you
Speaker 2: give us your address, Margot will send you stickers because
Speaker 2: she's a good human will do those things. You can
Speaker 2: also find us on for now, Threads, Instagram, and dorkin
Speaker 2: Out is also on blue Sky. This was super fun.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that we got this one out of our system.
Speaker 2: Thank you for talking about the social network with me.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling good now you got it out of the way.
Speaker 1: We did it.
Speaker 3: Bud bout the contact