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It appears on electric exams educators, we teach 26 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:36,359 the formula for a voltage drop, and so I figured 27 00:01:36,359 --> 00:01:39,239 i'd talk a little bit about it because we also 28 00:01:39,439 --> 00:01:45,439 get many people who who think that voltage drop in residential, 29 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:51,840 for example, is a requirement, and for residential it's never 30 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,120 a requirement. First of all, the only two locations within 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,840 the National Electrical Code first that we'll talk about is 32 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:03,879 when we have to require voltage drop for sensitive electronic equipment. 33 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:08,120 So that's that would be the first application. So if 34 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,520 you're dealing with sensitive electronic equipment, then you're going to 35 00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:14,360 have a requirement to deal with that, you know. So 36 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,199 in if you've had your codebook, and I know you do, 37 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,680 if you probably have it handy, that be articles six 38 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:25,080 forty seven, and in six forty seven you're going to 39 00:02:25,159 --> 00:02:29,120 see that there's a voltage drop requirement under six forty 40 00:02:29,199 --> 00:02:33,360 seven dot four D. Now that talks about the vaulted 41 00:02:33,439 --> 00:02:36,159 drop on any brand circuit not to exceed one point 42 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,759 five percent, and then the combined voltage drop of a 43 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,840 feeder in brand circuit conductors shall not exceed two point 44 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:49,319 five percent. That is only having to do with sensitive 45 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:54,840 electronic equipment. Now, unlike electrical distribution systems that you know 46 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,479 supply the lighting and the appliances and those type of 47 00:02:57,479 --> 00:03:03,879 brand circuits. That's different because here in six forty seven 48 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,840 the vultage drop requirement is mandatory, and those other areas 49 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,319 of the code that we're going to look at under 50 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:13,599 two ten dot nineteen, for example, is not a mandatory rule. 51 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,919 It may be good design, but it's not mandatory. However, 52 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,840 the rules for sensitive electronic equipment in six forty seven 53 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:27,479 dot four D that is a requirement if you're dealing 54 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,439 with it. So if you have an application where you're 55 00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:32,479 dealing with sensitive electronic equipment, the scope of that is 56 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,520 this article covers the installation and wiring of separately durized 57 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,599 systems operating at one hundred and twenty volts line to 58 00:03:39,759 --> 00:03:44,719 line and sixty volts to ground for sensitive electronic equipment. 59 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,520 That's what this scope is an article six forty seven. 60 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:50,240 If that's what you've got, then you have a mandatory 61 00:03:51,039 --> 00:03:56,159 sensitive electronic equipment. You have a mandatory voltage drop requirement. Now, 62 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,639 the only other mandatory requirement for voltage drop is y'all 63 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,919 all are probably aware of this when it comes to 64 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:06,599 fire pumps, and that's six ninety five dot seven, and 65 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,560 that is a little different in that one it's talking 66 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,039 about Like from motor starting. It says, unless specify the 67 00:04:13,039 --> 00:04:15,520 six ninety five dot seven B or C are met, 68 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:20,319 the voltage at the fire pump controller line terminal shall 69 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:26,439 not drop more than fifteen percent below the normal controller 70 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:31,480 rated voltage under motor starting conditions. So start the motor. 71 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,160 You have them the actual voltage rating that's stamped on 72 00:04:34,199 --> 00:04:38,720 the controller. You're falling within that range. You immediately try 73 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:42,399 to start the fire pump and the voltage cannot drop 74 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:47,639 below fifteen percent below that normal controller rated voltage. Okay, 75 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,319 now where do we get that? That information actually is 76 00:04:50,319 --> 00:04:54,920 extracted straight out of NFPA twenty under Section nine Subdivision 77 00:04:54,959 --> 00:04:58,839 four point one. So it comes out of NFPA twenty 78 00:04:58,959 --> 00:05:04,480 and gets regurgitated over here into fire pumps for voltage drop. Now, 79 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:08,839 that's for starting motors. When it's motors running, then you 80 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:12,439 have another requirement, and that one says the voltage at 81 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,199 the contactor load terminals to which the motor is connected 82 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:22,360 shall not drop more than five percent below the voltage 83 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,800 rating of the motor when the motor is operating at 84 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,199 one hundred and fifteen percent of the full low current 85 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,639 rating of the motor. That also comes out of NFPA 86 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,120 twenty and that is nine point four point four. So 87 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:38,480 those anyway, those are the two locations where and you 88 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,240 really as an electrician, I mean, that's not going to 89 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,720 be residential. None of that's going to be residential. It's 90 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:45,519 always going to be commercial for that stuff. And then 91 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,000 of course most of the time when you're dealing with 92 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,399 the fire pump or even sense of electronic equipment, you 93 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,600 got some kind of engineering design involved, and you're hoping 94 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,480 that they have already taken all this into consideration in 95 00:05:55,519 --> 00:05:59,120 their design. You hope that should not be my responsibility 96 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:02,040 as the electric trition if I'm just installing it, I'm 97 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:07,319 not designing the system, okay, But again it's it behooves 98 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,040 the electrician to fully understand how that works so that 99 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,480 you can kind of be another set of eyes on 100 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:18,079 the situation in case somebody dropped the ball somewhere. Now, 101 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,120 if we talk just residential, the only time that voltage 102 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:28,600 drop will creep into a discussion in residential applications. Is 103 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,319 when we're looking at two ten dot nineteen, and it's 104 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:34,439 an informational note that's under the minimum mapacity and size 105 00:06:34,439 --> 00:06:38,439 of a conductor. And the informational note says conductors for 106 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:42,279 brand circuits as defined an Article one hundred size to 107 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:47,120 prevent a voltage drop exceeding three percent at the farthest 108 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:52,360 outlet of power, heating and lighting loads or a combination 109 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:58,680 of such loads, and where the maximum total vaultage drop 110 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,560 on both the feet and the brand circuits to the 111 00:07:01,639 --> 00:07:06,399 farthest outlet does not exceed five percent five percent, And 112 00:07:06,399 --> 00:07:10,839 that says provides reasonable efficiency of operation, okay. And it also, 113 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,959 by the way, says exact same thing in two fifteen 114 00:07:12,959 --> 00:07:15,920 dot two A two. So for brand circuits, I mean 115 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,639 for feeder circuits. Now, the thing about this is this 116 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,120 is under an informational note, so it's just really good information. 117 00:07:23,319 --> 00:07:26,439 At no point in a residential application are you going 118 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,600 to be required to meet this stuff. And if a 119 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,800 jurisdiction tries to push this on you, you got to 120 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:36,759 remind them that informational notes are not enforceable, and they go, well, 121 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:39,759 it's enforceable in my jurisdiction. Well, then you've got to 122 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:43,360 push back, right, because you have to push back and 123 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,240 have them understand the rules. And the rules are all 124 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:52,279 given to us in Article ninety right, and it makes 125 00:07:52,319 --> 00:07:56,759 it clear under ninety dot three, which is the code arrangement, 126 00:07:56,839 --> 00:07:59,439 lets us know that chapters one through four applied generally 127 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:02,360 throughout all all electrical installations. And of course you got five, six, 128 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:05,959 and seven, which supplement or monifi chapters one through seven. 129 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:08,959 Then of course you got eight which is standalone communications. 130 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,120 And of course you have chapter nine, which is applicable 131 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,519 when it's referenced. And of course the informative annexes are 132 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,399 just information, just like an informational note. They're just there 133 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:21,800 for good information, like INFORMI of NXC when it comes 134 00:08:21,839 --> 00:08:25,399 to raceway PHIL. Okay, that's just good information. You can 135 00:08:25,399 --> 00:08:29,560 get there by actually doing the calculation, but the information 136 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:33,600 the informative ANXC kind of gets you there. And it's 137 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,879 based on the forty percent PHIL for over two conductors, 138 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:39,759 so you get there that way. But kind of how 139 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:41,559 the structure goes now, but if you look at the 140 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,279 beginning of ninety dyed three, it'll tell you it says 141 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,960 informative anxes are not part of the requirements for the code, 142 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,960 but are included for informational purposes right now. To find 143 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,679 out where the informational note comes in, then we have 144 00:08:56,759 --> 00:08:59,960 to look at ninety DIED five, which talks about mandatory rules, 145 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,080 permissive rules, and explanatory material and item number C is 146 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,919 explanatory material, and it makes it very clear that it 147 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,879 says explanatory materials such as references to other standards like 148 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:16,639 we talked about inn FPA twenty for the fire pumps 149 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,519 and things like that. It says references to other standards, 150 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,720 references to related sections of this code, or information related 151 00:09:23,759 --> 00:09:27,360 to a code rule is included in this code in 152 00:09:27,399 --> 00:09:32,000 the form of an informational note or an informative annex 153 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,720 like we just talked about. Okay, so they are not enforceable, 154 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,720 because it goes on to say such notes are informational 155 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:44,000 only and are not enforceable as requirements of this code. 156 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,519 They may be great information, and they may give you 157 00:09:47,639 --> 00:09:50,559 a lot of guidance in how you work through the 158 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,919 NEC and maybe it kind of reminds you of a 159 00:09:54,919 --> 00:09:57,200 certain place you need to be, But at the end 160 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,159 of the day, that's all it is. It's just information, 161 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:04,320 great information to help guide you a little bit, but 162 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:08,039 it's not enforceable, so they can't enforce voltage drop on 163 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,600 you in a residential application at all. Now, is it 164 00:10:12,639 --> 00:10:16,960 a good design practice, Yes, is, but there's really not 165 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,559 much in a residence, be honest with you that's going 166 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,320 to really push a voltage drop issue. Now I've done 167 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:27,840 multi Here's where I do have a problem. I have 168 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:29,879 seen and I have been on the case of a 169 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,200 very large home in Oklahoma, and when you start having 170 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,519 voltage drop, although it's not requirement in the code, but 171 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,759 you have really really long runs because let's say they 172 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,960 designed it, in my opinion, poorly, instead of having some 173 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,399 remote distribution panels or some people like to say subpanels 174 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,960 positioned around the large dwelling, then you could have a 175 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:57,519 twelve to two or fourteen two that literally run two 176 00:10:57,639 --> 00:11:00,399 hundred and fifty feet before it gets to one part 177 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,240 of the dwelling. I've seen it. I've just recently was 178 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:07,200 on a case in Oklahoma about this, and I served 179 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,159 as expert witness for it where you had circuits acting up, 180 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,559 causing AFCI devices to trip and without even having any 181 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,000 loads on it, there was no case to neutral connections. 182 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,120 It's just I believe, and again this is just my 183 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,399 belief because I didn't test it, but I believe that 184 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:29,759 voltage drop in distance could have a problem with some 185 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,360 of these devices. I can't quantify that. I can't tell 186 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:36,159 you I've done the testing for that. But how I 187 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,559 can kind of get there is when I go look 188 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,799 at two ten, dot twelve, and I look at the 189 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,240 different locations, and then I go down and I look at, Okay, 190 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,559 what are the options, the six options that I have. 191 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:54,279 If you look at two of the options, it's limiting 192 00:11:54,799 --> 00:11:59,159 the conductors. If it's fourteen, gag, it's limited to fifty feet, 193 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,600 If it's twelve, it's limiting it to seventy I get it. 194 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:06,960 These are listed supplemental ARC protective circuit breakers in conjunction 195 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:13,840 with a outlet style AFCI. But you see what I'm saying. 196 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:16,720 There seems to be some limitation here on the length. 197 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,200 And then when you get down the same thing happens 198 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,799 if you have a listed outlet branch circuit type AFCI 199 00:12:23,919 --> 00:12:28,120 installed on a brand circuit at the first outlet point, 200 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:30,840 and you use it with a listed brand circuit OVERCURP 201 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:34,279 protected device so that basically they have to be evaluated 202 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,519 as a combination. Okay, you just can't take a regular 203 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:42,080 circuit breaker and just pick a REGULARFCI receptacle device and 204 00:12:42,159 --> 00:12:44,600 consider them a combination. No, they would have to be 205 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:47,879 evaluated together. But my point is if you look at 206 00:12:47,919 --> 00:12:50,799 the rules there for this, you'll see that there is 207 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:56,039 linked limitations. They're limiting the length of these conductors of 208 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,159 fourteen gage in twelve gage. So I am a bit 209 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,200 dubious of this. So you know, I have asked manufacturers 210 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,080 of afci's, I've emailed them, I have people I know 211 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,000 I asked them, and I'm saying, look in your code. 212 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,120 I'm in the code. It does not give a lenth 213 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:15,120 limitation on AFCI devices. How far can I run that 214 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,360 brand circuit before I run a potential for voltage drop? 215 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:22,840 And will it affect the afci's operation. If the answer 216 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:26,320 to that is no, then answer me why we have 217 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:30,200 a limitation on the other ones? Okay, why do we 218 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,559 have a limitation on two ten, dot twelve, A three 219 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:38,200 and A four? Why are we limited in those but 220 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,759 we're not limited in the other I don't know. I 221 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,039 just a hypothesis I have. My point is this. There's 222 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,919 nothing right now in the National Electrical Code or even 223 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,200 the IECC Energy Conservation Code. There is nothing in there 224 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:58,679 specifically for residential application that would be something that you 225 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,679 can sink your teeth into to say, you know what, 226 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:04,240 voltage drop needs to be taken into consideration, all right, 227 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,799 other than the fact that it's just made an informational 228 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:12,919 note that's recommending it, that's it. But that changes, folks 229 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,639 when you get to other than residential, And that's kind 230 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:18,840 of weird for people because they're like, all right, so 231 00:14:19,399 --> 00:14:22,879 anywhere else in the code other than single family dwellings 232 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:27,799 and things like that, then we have other provisions that 233 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,600 are going to kick in and require voltage drop to 234 00:14:30,679 --> 00:14:34,720 be a consideration. So if you happen to have a copy, 235 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,879 you may or may not. It's actually free. You can 236 00:14:36,919 --> 00:14:40,399 go online and look at a digital version free of 237 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,320 the International Conservation Code. So I'm looking at the twenty 238 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:50,159 twenty one i eat CC, the June twenty fourth edition, 239 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,039 and I'm looking at it, and one of the things 240 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,720 that you have to take into consideration is that when 241 00:14:57,759 --> 00:15:02,200 you look at it, there is a specific section in 242 00:15:02,279 --> 00:15:05,759 here that is labeled voltage drop. Remember, this is an 243 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:11,159 Energy Conservation Code. So if the i ECC is adopted 244 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:16,039 in your area and they are utilizing it and that 245 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:19,559 type of thing, then you have to be aware of 246 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,799 the voltage drop requirement. That's in C four zero five 247 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:25,840 dot ten and it says voltage drop. And here's what 248 00:15:25,879 --> 00:15:30,559 it says. It says the total vaultage drop across the 249 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:37,360 combination of customer owned service conductors, feeder conductors and branch 250 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:42,879 circuit conductors shall not exceed five percent. Okay, so the 251 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,559 vultage drop. So whether you're dealing with feeder, you're dealing 252 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,039 with service, or you're dealing with the brand circuit, what 253 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,840 you're dealing with is the total overall voltage drop across 254 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,639 the combination of those cannot be more than five percent. Now, 255 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:01,080 that's in the IECC, So that's gonna apply to where 256 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,279 that's gonna apply to commercial because that's under the commercial 257 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,759 portion of the IECC. There is nothing like this under 258 00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:13,320 the residential portion. There is under the commercial at least 259 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,279 I'm not aware of anything under the residential and I've 260 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,559 looked at it. So with that in mind, if you 261 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:23,600 think about it, if they're enforcing the ie C C 262 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,240 in your jurisdiction, and it may be that the building 263 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,320 building inspector is the one that's enforcing this. They're not 264 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,559 really savvy and understanding voltage drop, right, they don't understand it. 265 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,480 They don't understand electrical unless they're a combination guy a gal. 266 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:39,360 So at the end of the day, there's a good 267 00:16:39,559 --> 00:16:44,919 probability that in a commercial building that they don't even 268 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,679 understand that C four zero five dot ten is even here. 269 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,399 That's a voltage drop requirements in place. And you notice 270 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:54,840 it doesn't say anything about three percent. It's in overall 271 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,759 five okay, so anything you know. It's basically says the 272 00:16:58,799 --> 00:17:04,920 total voltage drop across the combination of customer owned service conductors, 273 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,759 feeder conductors and brand circuit conductors shall not exceed five percent. Okay, 274 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:12,279 So we can't have a five percent from the beginning 275 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,799 all the way from the service through the feeder due 276 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:17,880 to the brand circuit, all the way to the end load. 277 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,759 We cannot have exceed five percent under the Energy Conservation 278 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:27,839 Code okay International IECC. So if you do have that, 279 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,880 go look at it. The two thousand and one, the 280 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,960 latest edition. Go look at C four zero five dot ten. 281 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:38,039 It's entitled I shouldn't see entitled. It's titled. It's entitled. 282 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,960 It's titled voltage drop, and it's in there. And if 283 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:48,759 this is an adopted application, then guess what it speaks to. 284 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,519 Requiring voltage drop is what it is. So while it 285 00:17:53,559 --> 00:17:57,400 doesn't apply to residential, it's a good recommendation when it 286 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,720 comes to commercial applications very much does require that you 287 00:18:02,839 --> 00:18:07,880 meet voltage drop applications. Okay, And again, this is a 288 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,720 commercial so it would be a building that falls underneath 289 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,400 the scope of being a commercial building. So this could 290 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,400 be where it doesn't apply to the individual dwelling units 291 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,720 of a multi family building, but it may apply to 292 00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:24,400 the general application of the whole building, which is a 293 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,240 commercial aspect of it. It's going to be really what 294 00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:31,400 your jurisdiction is enforcing and how they are enforcing it. 295 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:37,839 But it is in there. Now, is considering voltage drop 296 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:43,079 something that people should take into consideration. I believe they should, 297 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,720 even whether it's residential. We have to be good stewards 298 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,880 of the power. We have to be good stewards of 299 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,200 the fact that equipment is now getting more and more 300 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,920 sensitive to operate during a certain voltage range, and there's 301 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,000 a certain range that's optimized for equipment, and if it 302 00:18:58,039 --> 00:19:00,640 hasn't voltage stamped on the equipment, then as a range, 303 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,599 typically you can go ten percent below or above. But again, 304 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,680 the equipment offers a range, and as long as you're 305 00:19:09,839 --> 00:19:13,839 in that range then you'd be fine. But since voltage 306 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,759 drop is not a requirement anyway, for example, in a residential, 307 00:19:16,839 --> 00:19:18,880 so you can say I like it within ten percent, 308 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,839 I like it within five percent of the vota. That's 309 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,119 up to you because there's no mandate for it now. 310 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,160 At some point when voltage drop, if it ever does 311 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:30,319 become a requirement in the National Electrical Code for other 312 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,559 than sensitive electronic equipment or fire pumps, then we're gonna 313 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:38,559 have to break it down and explain why. And so 314 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,680 a lot of people say, well, shouldn't it be that 315 00:19:40,759 --> 00:19:42,920 way for motors, because if you don't give a motor 316 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,240 the right voltage, it can overheat prematurely. Yes, but motors 317 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,319 typically have an overload on it, and so that should 318 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,680 kick in. Now, that doesn't mean it's going to be efficient, 319 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,960 That doesn't mean that it's not gonna prematurely heat up 320 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,400 the motor in order to cause it to trip the overload. Yes, 321 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,200 it might will be that way when you don't have 322 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:06,519 voltages within the operating range of the equipment like the motor. 323 00:20:06,839 --> 00:20:09,599 I get it. The question is is it become a 324 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,640 performance issue or a safety hazard. It's not a safety 325 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,880 hazard if it have overloads in place, although you prematurely 326 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,359 are going to be replacing motors that burn up because 327 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,200 again they're operating outside of their voltage range, so they 328 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,160 won't operate as efficiently and so they'll overheat longer, stay heated, 329 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,000 so the windings, everything might break down prematurely. It's not 330 00:20:32,039 --> 00:20:34,079 gonna maybe not trip the overload, but it's going to 331 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:39,000 prematurely wear out the motor. And so you know, the 332 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,920 NEC is not a design manual, it's not a performance 333 00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:47,440 based manual. Everything needs to be energy efficient. It's not 334 00:20:47,519 --> 00:20:53,200 really that it's a safety standard. And so it's going 335 00:20:53,279 --> 00:20:56,039 to be hard to get something in the National Electrical 336 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:01,519 Code to mandate voltage drop in areas where where currently 337 00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:05,359 it's it's not at right now, which is the brand, circuit, 338 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,519 the feeder and the service. Now, the reason it's important 339 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:10,920 for fire pumps is obviously, as we said earlier, fire 340 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,359 pump needs to operate within its voltage range. We don't 341 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,319 need to premature surely overheat, and since it's generally dealing 342 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,839 with short circuit and ground fault protection and overload is 343 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,920 looked not considered because we do want the fire pump 344 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,359 to burn up, right, we want to get people out 345 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,440 of the building, so we don't want it to prematurely trip. 346 00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:31,000 So that is why they want to make sure they 347 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,119 have enough voltage there so that doesn't prematurely cause the 348 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,119 motor to overheat. Well, that seems like that would also 349 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,920 apply to all other motors, but that one is a 350 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,680 little more safety driven because again, we want to make 351 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,680 sure that we can get people out of a building, 352 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:47,079 so we want to make sure that that's you know, 353 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,880 we're not going to have an issue of it overheating 354 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,000 because of a voltage issue, not getting enough voltage and 355 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:54,480 not working within the parameters of that motor. I get it. 356 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,920 You know, we has a whole different use now when 357 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,440 it comes to sense of electronic equipment. Again, it again 358 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,279 it depends on the type of equipment and they're very 359 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:05,519 sensitive and you know, they may be operating sensitive equipment 360 00:22:05,559 --> 00:22:09,920 that is vital to the infrastructure. And so that code 361 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,240 panel with that submission to six forty seven have made 362 00:22:13,319 --> 00:22:15,559 the determination on voltage drop and we just have to 363 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:18,920 honor it. It is what it is anywhere else in 364 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,759 the code. It's just right now. A good recommendation that 365 00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:25,799 I think you should follow. Is it less important and 366 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:31,400 residential to me as it is in obviously commercial, but 367 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:36,240 it's still important nonetheless. So everybody needs to learn how 368 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,599 to do voltage drop calculations. To tom K time by 369 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,319 time's l divided by a circular mill or the percentage 370 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:43,480 depending on what you're trying to find, the conductor or 371 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,519 the circular mill, depending on what you're plugging in there. 372 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,000 If it's three phase, you substitute the two for one 373 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:52,839 point seventy three two. It's pretty basic voltage drop calculations, 374 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,720 and we teach this stuff in our courses in videos 375 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,880 that I do, but you need to understand how to 376 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,039 do it. And it's all very load dependent. You know, 377 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,519 voltage drop is very load dependent. You have to know 378 00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:08,359 to do a voltage drop calculation properly. You have to 379 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,039 know what's what the load is. If you've got no load, 380 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:13,880 then there's no voltage drop. Because there's there's no load, 381 00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:16,920 the circuit's not going to be complete. It's just sitting there. 382 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,119 So voltage drop is pointless if you're not pulling a 383 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,200 load at the end. I mean, it's pointless. So when 384 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,400 we do voltage drop calculations, we have to assume a 385 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,799 certain load. And like, if I'm doing it and I'm 386 00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:31,799 just assuming it's a twenty amp circuit, then I'm going 387 00:23:31,839 --> 00:23:33,720 to assume twenty amps at the end of that load 388 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:39,039 because I could pull twenty amps. So that's what I'm 389 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,440 figuring in. And when somebody asks me to do a 390 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:45,559 voltage drop calculation, whether it's with the Encore, Prismium, whoever 391 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:48,400 it is that people contact me, I always say, all right, 392 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,119 I need to know the distance one way, Okay, the 393 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,359 k we already can figure out. We already got that. 394 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,160 You know whether it's twenty one point two or twelve 395 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,279 point nine depending on whether using copper or aluminum. We 396 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,519 got that. We can use a two for single phase 397 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:04,559 one point seventy three to two for three phase. We 398 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,640 got that. But I have to know what is the 399 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,119 load at the end, what are the amps, what's being drawn, 400 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,960 because that's going to be a direct impactor on the 401 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:15,759 voltage drop. 402 00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: Uh. 403 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 2: And so it's important that we have all that information. 404 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,599 So if I'm doing voltage drop and I'm making a 405 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,880 consideration for voltice drop, and I got to look at 406 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,920 the circuit. Now, I'm going to assume a full circuit 407 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:32,079 unless you state otherwise. Now I do have people that 408 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,240 contact me that says, hey, Paul, I'm going to run 409 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:36,559 this this load at the end of three hundred and 410 00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:39,240 fifty feet and I'm like, okay, Well, the first thing 411 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,079 you do is you have to size the circuit to 412 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,279 protect the conductors. You have to size it. So if 413 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:48,559 it is a twenty amp circuit and you have twelve 414 00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:52,039 gauge conductors, that's where you start. When it comes to 415 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,480 voltage drop, you start, you know the conductor you're running 416 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,400 to handle the load, always do it to handle the load. 417 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,799 And then you're protecting conductor with the overcurve protected device, 418 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,119 and you size it like you normally would, and then 419 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,160 you look at voltage drop because at the end of 420 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,279 the day, you still have to protect the conductor at 421 00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:15,039 its opacities, right and that type of thing. So you 422 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,519 have to do those things. But the voltage drop aspect 423 00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:22,319 of it is something that we look at after we 424 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,400 already know that we've got the circuit taken care of, 425 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,160 so as I know, I've got the right conductor and 426 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:32,160 everything taken care of. At that point, I may have 427 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,240 to increase the size of the conductors because of voltage drop, 428 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,319 but I'm not doing it because of the load. The 429 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,200 load is the load, Okay, I've already figured that in 430 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:44,799 to the equation. So I think a lot of people 431 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:47,400 get that wrong and they don't understand the concepts of 432 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,119 voltage drop. First things first, make sure you take take 433 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,279 care of the load. Make sure you size conductors everything 434 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:53,920 to handle the load first, to get that out of 435 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,640 the way. Once that's out of the way, if you're 436 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,680 going to take voltag drop into consideration, then and only 437 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,799 then do you start introducing the conductor sizes and the 438 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:06,920 percentages and start seeing whether that conductor is adequate enough. 439 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,039 If it's not, you may have to bump up the conductor. 440 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,799 It's still gonna be fine. And can I have a 441 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,079 larger conductor on an overcurrent device. That's say to have 442 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,880 a ten gauge and have it on a twenty eight device. 443 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,920 As long as the device can handle it, take it, 444 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,519 that's fine, that's not a problem. Could I splice from 445 00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:27,440 that ten gauge back down to twelve to go to 446 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,519 a breaker on the one end and then splice it 447 00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:32,920 to go back down to the other end. Absolutely, I could, 448 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,680 because we're doing it accommodate voltage drop. Well, I have 449 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,200 to increase the size of the equipment grounded conductor proportional 450 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,279 to the increased size of ungrounded conductors do to voltas drop. Absolutely, 451 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:48,119 and that's pretty straightforward. We cover all that two fifty 452 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,400 one twenty two B. It's a pretty easy process to 453 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,680 do that. We talk about all that in two fifty 454 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,640 one twenty two. So I mean, I think at the 455 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,279 end of the day, you have to take voltage drop 456 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,519 into consideration, even though the National Electrical Code is not 457 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:08,160 gonna mandate it on residential you know, keeping in mind 458 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,519 that the typical home is not gonna make a difference. 459 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,200 I would go out on the limb and say, any 460 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,680 home that is four thousand square feet or less, it 461 00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:21,200 is not gonna make a difference. It really isn't. Now 462 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,400 you start getting those ten thousand square foot twelve fifteen 463 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,480 thousand square foot homes and you don't think about how 464 00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:31,000 you locate the panels. Again, it just makes sense to 465 00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:33,240 locate some panels centrally so I don't have to run 466 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:36,680 these long home runs. Why because they could be damaged 467 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,440 when the building finishes, going up the gypsum board, the trim, 468 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,640 the moll damn. If I want to have some long 469 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,799 home run stuck somewhere in the walls that I don't 470 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:48,160 know where it could be nailed through, I'd much rather 471 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,039 have a feeder, one cable that I can be very 472 00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:54,839 paranoid about how I run it to a panel that's 473 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:59,200 centrally located to feed loads at that end. It reduces 474 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,119 the vaultage drop right, but it also reduces the issues 475 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,519 of these long home runs. I only have one long 476 00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:08,359 home run, you get what I'm saying. So it's all 477 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,640 about design. And I think people today, like I saw 478 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,240 in that Oklahoma house, why in the world that electrician 479 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:18,960 would run home runs on that big ass house. I mean, 480 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,200 I'm talking big house, folks, I'm talking eight car ten 481 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:29,079 car garage. I'm talking It's just an amazing house, beautiful house. 482 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,160 But it had issues with afciyes in it because I 483 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,680 believe the circuits were the home runs were too long. 484 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,079 Plus there was other things that they had to cut 485 00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:41,680 sheet rocked out because of nails too. Look it's because 486 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,480 they ran these fricking twelve twos and fourteen twos and whatnot, 487 00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:47,839 three hundred and fifty damn feet to get back to 488 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,839 a panel two hundred and fifty feet things like that, 489 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,680 and I just think that it could have been designed 490 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,720 much better. But that's me. That's just a design that's 491 00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:00,279 the design guy in me. I just think they got 492 00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:04,279 a poor installation. So do I want to do the 493 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,880 the investigation on the afcis whatever? No, I don't unless 494 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,039 they want to pay me to do it. And that 495 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:14,039 wasn't what they hired me for. That was you know, 496 00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:15,839 that's just something that I put out there to the 497 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,920 manufacturers and I go, you know, I'm going to ask 498 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,640 you all a question. What is the maximum distance you 499 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,440 can run with an AFCI and not potentially have issues? 500 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:28,640 Is voltage drop ever an issue with these devices? Is that? 501 00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:31,319 Can that play a role? Why do you limit it 502 00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:35,359 to fifty and seventy feet under to ten dot twelve? 503 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,480 But not for a combination. You know, we're looking for 504 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:44,440 series and parallels, you know there you're looking at You're 505 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,160 not worried about distance on those, but is there a 506 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,279 potential distance issue that we need to be aware of, 507 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,359 so I don't know. I can't answer that for them. 508 00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,880 You know, that's the those manufacturers have to answer that question. 509 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:04,000 And I haven't seen that answered anywhere. So AnyWho. All right, guys, anyway, 510 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,640 that's kind of a little discussion on my thoughts on 511 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:14,160 voltage drop and again energy. The International Energy Conservation Code 512 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,559 seems to demand it right when it comes to commercial, 513 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:24,559 doesn't really say anything when it's residential. The any C 514 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:29,319 only requires it for sensitive electronic equipment and fire pump applications, 515 00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:33,079 where it is mandatory everywhere else, it's just really good information. 516 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,880 A design professional, I would always take voltage drop into 517 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,359 consideration just to make sure that I'm making sure that 518 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,680 everything works within its voltage range. I don't want premature 519 00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:49,799 things like motors and air conditioning units. I don't want 520 00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:52,359 to have a Whirlpool hot tub. You know, I have 521 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,960 an issue with the motor being so long up at 522 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,119 a bedroom that's one hundred and ninety feet away, and 523 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,559 what is the voltage there? And and did I take 524 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:04,000 those loads into consideration? I get it in a real world, 525 00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,599 we're just running cable and we don't really take those 526 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,920 things into account. But you know, it's not required for residential, 527 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,079 but move into commercial and then we already have a 528 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,920 requirement and see four zero five dot ten for voltas 529 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,000 drop in the International Energy Code. So the International Energy 530 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:26,680 Conservation Code. So does your jurisdiction enforce that? Is that 531 00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,599 one of the adopted standards from your state that you know? 532 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,759 Maybe your your jurisdiction is choosing to look the other way. 533 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,319 Maybe they don't even know that volta's drop requirement is 534 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:43,039 in there. Maybe not, who knows. Anyway, there you go, folks, 535 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:44,960 Thanks for joining me. Hopefully you got something out of 536 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,920 today's episode. Join us next time for another Master to 537 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,279 the NEC podcast and we'll catch you hopefully in the 538 00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:55,480 mornings on Coffee Hour. Join me eight am Monday through 539 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,599 Friday on all of our social media platforms as well 540 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,960 as Fasttrack's tube dot com. 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