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Speaker 2: On the adventure. Gars Chan, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: It's great to meet you. Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 1: And I someone sent me a video of you doing
Speaker 1: tree telepathy because I have a series of I've been
Speaker 1: doing this tree telepathy experiment in my local park where
Speaker 1: I find we have this amazing park which is a
Speaker 1: botanical preserve, and I find the biggest species, like the
Speaker 1: grandmother or grandfather tree of each species and go and
Speaker 1: talk to them and then, you know, just make a
Speaker 1: little short video of what I've learned from the communication.
Speaker 1: And so I was like, oh, you should check out
Speaker 1: gars because here she is and she gets the tree
Speaker 1: to touch her and I loved it. So that's why
Speaker 1: I reached out to connect. And you have so much
Speaker 1: more work to talk about. But let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about your connection with trees and how you approach
Speaker 1: tree telepathy or connecting with trees if we could.
Speaker 3: Okay, So the trees contain the records of every single
Speaker 3: thing that's happened. It's like a library. It's a record happened, past, present, future.
Speaker 3: You know, everything you've eaten, every action that you've taken,
Speaker 3: every experience you've had, is contained in whales, crystals, trees.
Speaker 3: So I started off by connecting with the tree and
Speaker 3: put my forehead my third eye on the tree trunk
Speaker 3: and saying, show me events that have happened in this environment.
Speaker 3: And so I started being shown images of things that
Speaker 3: happened on that land. And then I started talking to
Speaker 3: the trees. And you can actually tell the trees to
Speaker 3: heal you of any aches and pains. So I would
Speaker 3: download my discomfort or inflammation or pain or injury into
Speaker 3: the tree and ask it to recycle it and then
Speaker 3: let me absorb the healing of the tree. So looking
Speaker 3: into the cash at records of the tree turned into
Speaker 3: recycling the energy and using the tree's energy for healing,
Speaker 3: and then that turned into talking and dancing and moving
Speaker 3: with the trees.
Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful, when you are asking a tree to help you,
Speaker 1: what's that process look like?
Speaker 3: Well, I just simply placed my hands on the tree
Speaker 3: trunk and I say, remove this pain, or remove this
Speaker 3: injury or remove this inflammation from my body. And I
Speaker 3: imagine the sensation leaving wherever the pain is or discomfort
Speaker 3: is going out of my down my arms, out of
Speaker 3: my palms, into the tree trunk and then it's I
Speaker 3: imagine it being recycled the tree recycling that energy and
Speaker 3: then infusing into my palms into my body. It's healing energy.
Speaker 1: Have you found any differences among trees or some trees
Speaker 1: really like to do that sort of thing, or and
Speaker 1: is there any like exchange or reciprocity happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some trees are friendlier than others. I find every
Speaker 3: tree has a different personality. Some trees are slow to move.
Speaker 3: Some trees are very eager. Some trees are very enthusiastic.
Speaker 3: Some trees want to be left alone. Some trees don't
Speaker 3: want to have an interaction with you, and others are like,
Speaker 3: you know, come play with me. You know, some trees
Speaker 3: are very playful. So I tend to go towards trees
Speaker 3: who I find are very welcoming and playful and they
Speaker 3: want to have that interaction.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I do that, I'll stand in and grove and
Speaker 1: you know it's pretty obvious, which the biggest trees are.
Speaker 1: But then I kind of feel into like which one
Speaker 1: is like when you go to a party and you're like,
Speaker 1: who do I want to talk to you? And you
Speaker 1: is kind of like, oh that you look kind of
Speaker 1: interesting and you go up. It's just sort of that
Speaker 1: kind of feeling for me of like, well, I guess
Speaker 1: you seem pretty cool, and so I'm already selecting for
Speaker 1: trees that I guess guys are open to communicating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and they also I know it's silly to
Speaker 3: refer them to family members, but I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: some trees have like a grandfather energy, some have a
Speaker 3: grandmother energy, some have an uncle energy, some have an
Speaker 3: auntie energy, and some have like an energy to them,
Speaker 3: you know, and some feel like they're your friends, and
Speaker 3: then some feel like they're very introverted or they just
Speaker 3: want really left alone. So I respect that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One thing that I found is in the comments section,
Speaker 1: and I know you get a lot of comments on
Speaker 1: your social media, is so many people are now talking
Speaker 1: to trees like they're like I never thought to do
Speaker 1: it like that, going up and talking. But there's always
Speaker 1: a question like do trees like me or like if
Speaker 1: I hug a tree, am I like getting in their
Speaker 1: personal space? And all of these things. And I think
Speaker 1: it comes down to trees are beings and there's so
Speaker 1: you're just navigating relationships, you know. Essentially, it's like if
Speaker 1: you have a big family, there's so many different relationships
Speaker 1: you have to keep track of and each one is
Speaker 1: unique essentially.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, it's like you said, when you go to
Speaker 3: a party and there's you know, you go into a
Speaker 3: party and there's full of people, You're not going to
Speaker 3: get the same interaction with everyone, right, So if you
Speaker 3: approach someone who doesn't want to talk to you and
Speaker 3: they're not open to meeting you, and they give you
Speaker 3: yes no answers, you're not going to keep pursuing a
Speaker 3: conversation with them, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So where you where you live, do you have
Speaker 1: like a tree in your you that you're regularly communicating with,
Speaker 1: have like a deeper relationship with.
Speaker 3: There is a fig tree in my back garden that
Speaker 3: is extremely responsive to me, more responsive to the other
Speaker 3: than the others.
Speaker 1: Yes, is that the one in the video that they're
Speaker 1: touching you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It likes to dance with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you mentioned the akashak records as trees having
Speaker 1: connection to the Kasha records and whales and crystals.
Speaker 2: What about humans?
Speaker 3: Yeah, humans too. You can open up someone's acash It
Speaker 3: records to see what the lesson is that they need
Speaker 3: to learn from a trauma or from a situation, from
Speaker 3: a relationship. You can open up the akashk records to
Speaker 3: see what's preventing the person from learning the lesson so
Speaker 3: that they can move on, so that they can grow,
Speaker 3: you know, so you can you can ask the Akashak
Speaker 3: records to show you things in the post and show
Speaker 3: you things in the future. Although it's not quite a
Speaker 3: psychic reading, because a psychic reading is it really fees
Speaker 3: the ego, right, So someone might say, hey, can you
Speaker 3: tell me if my ex boyfriend are going to get
Speaker 3: back together? That's what the ego wants to know, right,
Speaker 3: So you can say yes or no. But in the
Speaker 3: akash It records you don't really ask yes or no questions.
Speaker 3: You would say, what is preventing me from moving on
Speaker 3: from this relationship? What's preventing me from letting go of
Speaker 3: this relationship? Why am I holding onto this relationship? Why
Speaker 3: am I hoping that we will get back together? What
Speaker 3: is the lesson here, and what is stopping what is
Speaker 3: stopping from learning the lesson? Does that make sense? So
Speaker 3: the akash It records is more about gaining information to
Speaker 3: evolve your soul, to help you grow as a person.
Speaker 1: How much are you weaving in the Kashak records with
Speaker 1: the work that you do.
Speaker 3: I naturally go in and out of the Akashak records.
Speaker 3: You know, as with anything, when you first learn the
Speaker 3: Kashak records, you need to know someone or birth name
Speaker 3: when you enter in, and you have to say open
Speaker 3: prayer to go in and closing prayer to come out,
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. But I kind of
Speaker 3: at this point just go in and out constantly to
Speaker 3: get information about the person so that I know what
Speaker 3: I need to work with because the person has a
Speaker 3: perceived problem, but they don't know that there are hundreds,
Speaker 3: sometimes thousands of reasons why they're faced with that problem.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, And so I know that you have a
Speaker 1: lot of different modalities that you've trained in and probably
Speaker 1: weave together. And you know, I myself went on this quest.
Speaker 1: It was only halfway through the quest that I realized
Speaker 1: I was on it. But I did one hundred and
Speaker 1: eight different modalities over eight years, and some of them
Speaker 1: I use all the time, and some of them I
Speaker 1: had a few sessions or I learned practice and I
Speaker 1: tried it and like, oh it works, or it doesn't
Speaker 1: that work that much for me? I was like put
Speaker 1: them on the shelf. There's a couple of things I'm
Speaker 1: curious about, which which ones I guess do you find
Speaker 1: yourself turning to most regularly?
Speaker 2: Currently?
Speaker 3: I tend to use Chinese energy healing the most. So
Speaker 3: I tend to clear calmer probably during every session, I'm
Speaker 3: clearing traumas from other lifetimes. I do that every session,
Speaker 3: and I probably also perform psychic surgery on a regular
Speaker 3: basis as well.
Speaker 2: What do is psychic surgery?
Speaker 3: You just pull up someone's hologw and to see what's
Speaker 3: kind of like stuck in the hologram. You just start
Speaker 3: pulling things out.
Speaker 1: Okay, Is that like I think I saw that you
Speaker 1: had Star magic training. Is that like what Jerry teaches
Speaker 1: Jerry's been on the show.
Speaker 3: They do they do it's like surgery too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So Chinese energy, what did you call it?
Speaker 2: Chinese energy is energy healing, energy healing.
Speaker 1: Which is sort of a one that I haven't heard
Speaker 1: much about what are some of the core aspects of that.
Speaker 3: Chinese energy healing is like a massive umbrella. There's lots
Speaker 3: of things that you can do with Chinese energy healing.
Speaker 3: You can clear karmas, you can clear traumas, you can
Speaker 3: clear stuck emotions, you can clear limiting negative beliefs. You
Speaker 3: can work on the person's physical body, their mental body,
Speaker 3: emotional body, their auric body. You can work on their meridians.
Speaker 3: You can work on fears, you can work on phobias.
Speaker 3: It just covers a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you have to seek out a specific mentor
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 3: Yes. So originally I was in Los Angeles and I
Speaker 3: went to Long Beach for the workshops, and it was
Speaker 3: taught by a grandmaster called doctor cam Ewan who has
Speaker 3: since passed, And it was originally called well, he called
Speaker 3: it the Ewan method Why you e n Youan Method,
Speaker 3: but then he changed the title of it. So then
Speaker 3: instead of following what he changed, I just called it
Speaker 3: Chinese Enjye healing.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's interesting because the Daoist stone medicine tradition
Speaker 1: that I follow is essentially Chinese stone medicine. You know,
Speaker 1: It's like the oldest material medica that still exists, six
Speaker 1: thousand year medical experimental history focusing on stones, minerals and those,
Speaker 1: and it's so it's so interesting, Like so the stories
Speaker 1: about the original practitioners, how did they how did they
Speaker 1: pick up a stone and discover what it could be
Speaker 1: used for what healing? You know, they had to have
Speaker 1: some sort of connection, like you know with the tree,
Speaker 1: but with the stone, and the stone would say like
Speaker 1: I could be good for this, or I could be
Speaker 1: good for that, or they looked at the color, they
Speaker 1: looked at the hardness or whatever it was, and then
Speaker 1: they tried it and it worked. It's cool to think
Speaker 1: about those early practitioners of you know, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: Chinese energy healing or some medicine.
Speaker 2: They have to.
Speaker 1: Either they're discovering things through trial and error and experimentation,
Speaker 1: or they get like just a direct download a revelation
Speaker 1: like oh I'm going to try this because I channeled
Speaker 1: it or you know, just dropped in. And I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's so fascinating because that's really, I think,
Speaker 1: really going to help a lot the whole world if
Speaker 1: we like go back to each person having their own
Speaker 1: direct revelations rather than like, here's what my teacher said,
Speaker 1: or here's what the book said. What do you yeah,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about that in relation to your work.
Speaker 3: I don't think anything is original. Everything's been passed down,
Speaker 3: you know, and there are many variations of what's being
Speaker 3: passed down depending on your teacher and their lineage. And
Speaker 3: I feel like there are people who pass things down
Speaker 3: in a very traditional way, and there are people who
Speaker 3: tweak things and if things or improve things right, and
Speaker 3: that gets passed down. Some of it gets watered down,
Speaker 3: some of it isn't there's a lot of it that's lost.
Speaker 3: But at the end day, when you connect to your soul,
Speaker 3: your spirit or God or the universe or your higher self,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, you're going to get
Speaker 3: the guidance you need and you're going to get the
Speaker 3: instructions that you need to work on the person. And
Speaker 3: everyone's different, you.
Speaker 1: Know, because you have all these different modalities that you're
Speaker 1: trained in. I often see like people that have like
Speaker 1: their masters in one, two or three different fields, and
Speaker 1: then they like, there's this intersection where these things come together,
Speaker 1: and that's where I see a lot of innovation happening.
Speaker 1: Or you know, we're gonna we're gonna match these two
Speaker 1: things and now we have a new practice. Do you
Speaker 1: have things like that where you're like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: combine these two concepts or methods and here's a new
Speaker 1: thing that I sort of innovated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I combine a bunch of different modalities to
Speaker 3: get the results that my client needs and wants. But
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that I've relabeled anything.
Speaker 2: It's more on the fly. Yeah, when you need it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I have this big toolbox and I
Speaker 3: just kind of like pick and choose which tool that
Speaker 3: I need to use on this person. And everyone's different.
Speaker 3: So for some for one person, it may be more
Speaker 3: effective to use Chinese energy healing, but then for other
Speaker 3: people it's too intrusive. For other people, it's like they
Speaker 3: need a more gentle approach, so they may need something
Speaker 3: like I E. T or uh. And then other people
Speaker 3: need light language right that somehow activates something. So it
Speaker 3: just it depends on the client and what I feel.
Speaker 3: It's up to the client and how they respond. That's
Speaker 3: depending on the client. I will use different tools.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: A lot of your recent Instagram posts are with light
Speaker 1: language is that something that's coming up for you more
Speaker 1: to share or to use.
Speaker 3: I've been posting light language videos for a while now,
Speaker 3: and I don't know how long, but people ask me,
Speaker 3: they require things, they require me to do light language.
Speaker 3: So I just if there's a demand, I like to
Speaker 3: be of service, you know, so.
Speaker 1: Like one client will need something in light language and
Speaker 1: then you'll just share it with it everyone.
Speaker 3: You mean no, So in the comments, people say can
Speaker 3: you please make a light language transmission video for fear?
Speaker 3: And then someone else will say, can you please make
Speaker 3: a light language for my kidneys? Can you please? So
Speaker 3: I have a whole list of requirements from people who
Speaker 3: have commented on my videos, which well working through.
Speaker 1: Okay wow. So so how do you approach creating one
Speaker 1: of those transmissions.
Speaker 3: I just set the intention I'm going to connect my
Speaker 3: star seed family or the origins, and then set the
Speaker 3: intention to work on clearing any trauma or blockages or
Speaker 3: weaknesses in the kidneys, and set the intention after I've
Speaker 3: cleared the weaknesses, to rejuvenate the kidneys or heal or
Speaker 3: strengthen or invigorate. Right, and then I just go, I
Speaker 3: just let it come at me.
Speaker 1: I feel there's certain things that I'm not self conscious about,
Speaker 1: but I feel like speaking light language on social media
Speaker 1: would be one of them. Did you did you ever
Speaker 1: have that when you were starting?
Speaker 3: I did? And if you aren't you afraid of being
Speaker 3: called crazy? And I'm like, you know, I've been called
Speaker 3: a lot worse and I don't. Actually, it doesn't bother
Speaker 3: me if someone said, oh, you know, you're crazy because
Speaker 3: you speak like language like that doesn't bother me because
Speaker 3: I don't think it's crazy. You know, there are some
Speaker 3: horrific people out there doing some horrific things, you know,
Speaker 3: like hurting children. I think that's crazy, you know, So
Speaker 3: I don't regard speaking a bit like languages crazy And honestly,
Speaker 3: like I said, I've been called a lot worse things,
Speaker 3: so that doesn't trigger me. Being called crazy doesn't trigger me, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I guess I just I mean, even though, yeah,
Speaker 1: that type of stuff doesn't really bother me at this point,
Speaker 1: but it's like I feel, for it to come out cleanly,
Speaker 1: you would have to have no self cont about it.
Speaker 3: Yes, I actually prefer making a video a light lange video,
Speaker 3: because I literally just edit the beginning and the end
Speaker 3: and I just post it. Whereas I find when I'm
Speaker 3: speaking English, I have to write or I have to
Speaker 3: type it all out, and then I have to record it,
Speaker 3: and I'm literally editing every sentence because you know, I
Speaker 3: make grammar mistakes, or I'm looking off camera, or I'm
Speaker 3: twitching my nose, or there's a siren going by, or
Speaker 3: you know, all these things happen that I'm very very
Speaker 3: aware of. So I'm actually more self conscious when I
Speaker 3: record a video of me speaking English. But when it's
Speaker 3: light language, it's like, okay, I'm not it's not really
Speaker 3: I don't feel like it's for me. It's a lot
Speaker 3: more freeing and liberating because I'm not worried about the grammar,
Speaker 3: as weird as that may sound.
Speaker 2: Okay, and is it do you?
Speaker 1: Are you like observing yourself speaking white language, or is
Speaker 1: your like personal consciousness sort of like set aside in
Speaker 1: observer mode.
Speaker 3: What tends to happen is I'm almost like channeling, so
Speaker 3: I have the intention I connect and I just let
Speaker 3: it come out of me. And the intention is like
Speaker 3: in the back of my mind there like you're working
Speaker 3: on the kidneys, You're releasing fear from the kidneys, You're
Speaker 3: releasing stagnation. From the kidneys and traumas that are stuck
Speaker 3: in the kidneys. So that is kind of like playing
Speaker 3: in the background whilst I'm just keep reminding myself to feel, feel, feel,
Speaker 3: because it's not White language is not understood mentally intellectually, right,
Speaker 3: it's not you can't really translate it word for word.
Speaker 3: So I just let myself just feel it and just
Speaker 3: speak from a place of feeling rather than thinking.
Speaker 1: And you said your star family is helping you out,
Speaker 1: how do they participate in this process?
Speaker 3: Well, they don't help me. I just connect to my
Speaker 3: star seed family, Okay, I just connect and then that's it,
Speaker 3: just like you would just connect to the universe, or
Speaker 3: you connect the cash at records, or you connect to
Speaker 3: God or whoever it is that you speak to, whether
Speaker 3: it be Jesus or Buddha or Allah or whatever you.
Speaker 2: Know are there.
Speaker 1: But are there certain star seed families or races or
Speaker 1: beings that use light language a lot more than others?
Speaker 2: Who are you connecting with?
Speaker 3: There are so many Syrians Syrians? Okay, yes, But just
Speaker 3: like you've had many different lifetimes, I've had many different lifetimes.
Speaker 3: I've also we've also had multiple lifetimes being different Star
Speaker 3: seed races just one, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, the there's a there's actually a guy over
Speaker 1: in England, Alexander Quinn, and the light language that he
Speaker 1: speaks sons pretty similar. But he's often you know, speaking
Speaker 1: connecting with Arcturians. So I didn't know if like light
Speaker 1: language was universal over like each star Seed lineage might
Speaker 1: have different light language.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they all have a different dialect.
Speaker 1: Well dialect, okay, yeah, you mentioned something in I think
Speaker 1: it was one of your spoon bending videos, like I
Speaker 1: just override all doubt and then I asked the spoon
Speaker 1: to bend. Now that sounds simple, but do you have
Speaker 1: a specific practice for overriding all doubt.
Speaker 3: No, I just say it. I just speak it. I
Speaker 3: just speak it into existence.
Speaker 1: Because I feel like that's where people might get stuck
Speaker 1: with spoon bending and canesis, or where do you find
Speaker 1: people get stuck.
Speaker 3: A lot of people actually say spoon bending is very
Speaker 3: simple and very easy, which it is, and some people
Speaker 3: those who find it difficult is because they're getting in
Speaker 3: their own way, really right, they're telling themselves that it
Speaker 3: can't be done. I can't do this, and so they
Speaker 3: can't bend the spoon. But if you if you channel
Speaker 3: that into the opposite I can, and you commit to that,
Speaker 3: then you will bend the spoon, you know.
Speaker 1: I did for my birthday party. We had like forty
Speaker 1: or fifty people a couple of years ago, and I
Speaker 1: bought all these spoons and I was like, we're going
Speaker 1: to spoon bend together, just for fun. And probably sixty
Speaker 1: percent of people did it first try, which is great.
Speaker 1: And I had heard that it works better in groups
Speaker 1: because there's this like collectiveness to it. But the ones
Speaker 1: that like spiritual people had the most trouble of many
Speaker 1: of them, because they were like, I should be able
Speaker 1: to do this because I am connected spiritually. And then
Speaker 1: the people who were skeptics, you know, or the science people,
Speaker 1: some of them just like were and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: how'd you do that? Like I have no idea. So
Speaker 1: it was not exactly what I expected in terms of
Speaker 1: who would be able to do it and who wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting for me. There are different ways to
Speaker 3: bend a spoon. You can see it bending, or you
Speaker 3: can just say I am the universe, right, everything is
Speaker 3: the universe. I am the universe. The universes meet and
Speaker 3: then just bend it. You can also see it melting
Speaker 3: and then bend it. You can send your ash or
Speaker 3: body out to bend it and then bend it and
Speaker 3: infuse it with love and bend it right. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: imagine a picture or look at a picture of a
Speaker 3: bent spoon, super impose that onto spoon and then bend it.
Speaker 3: There's so many you can see it as like heating
Speaker 3: up with lava and then it just droops and then
Speaker 3: you can bend it. There's so many different ways that
Speaker 3: you can bend a spoon, and sometimes sometimes if you
Speaker 3: go into maybe some of those spiritual people weren't able
Speaker 3: to bend the spoon because they had an expectation of
Speaker 3: themselves which made them get caught up in their ego.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense. Yeah, it's almost like an expectation
Speaker 3: I should be able to do this, and I will
Speaker 3: do this because I need to prove how spiritual I
Speaker 3: am or how connected I am. But then you get
Speaker 3: caught up in the ego and then you can't do it.
Speaker 3: So some of that could be like performance anxiety.
Speaker 1: Mm, yeah, that makes sense. It was so funny. Actually, yeah, yesterday,
Speaker 1: so I tried with the little I have one here.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I and show it with the
Speaker 1: side wheel the tinfoil and doing telekinesis practice and it
Speaker 1: worked right away and it was just spinning away and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is so exciting, Come come take
Speaker 1: a video. And I had my wife come over and
Speaker 1: it just stopped as soon as she came over, like
Speaker 1: as soon as she got it out, and she was like,
Speaker 1: it's just just the breeze. I was like, it was
Speaker 1: spinning for minutes, like in one direction, Like that's not
Speaker 1: It was so funny because every time I tried to
Speaker 1: show somebody it would stop working.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, it's because your your emotion changes. Like I
Speaker 3: find if i'm and everyone's different, but I find that
Speaker 3: if I'm focus in a very specific way, then the
Speaker 3: foil will move. But as soon as I switch and
Speaker 3: get really excited and amp top, it will just stop.
Speaker 3: There's this for me, it's like it requires a certain focus.
Speaker 3: I take that when that focus shifts, it changes for me,
Speaker 3: be happening for the same same for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like an elucid dream when you
Speaker 1: like get so excited and you wake yourself up. But
Speaker 1: I was really excited. I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: so fun. And then I felt like I had a
Speaker 1: connection with the with the wheel. I was like, you're
Speaker 1: you're spinning and I was like, yeah, this is fun
Speaker 1: and we're doing it together, and so that was cool.
Speaker 1: That was a nice, you know, surprise that it worked
Speaker 1: the first time.
Speaker 3: We'll record it and then show your wife so that
Speaker 3: she believes you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I was trying to I was like,
Speaker 1: how can I can? I can I accord with one
Speaker 1: hand and like hold the camera.
Speaker 2: With the other.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then so there's a difference when you put a
Speaker 1: container over it because then it's like free from any
Speaker 1: air interference. How much of the spinning a wheel is
Speaker 1: like you're moving the air with the force and it's
Speaker 1: spinning the wheel versus how much is like the wheel
Speaker 1: just wants to spin on its own, like aerokinesis versus telekinesis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So when I put the glass bowl over the
Speaker 3: side wheel, I'm still doing the same thing. So I'm
Speaker 3: imagining myself pulling the air thin and then compressing the air,
Speaker 3: compressing it so that it condenses and it spins. So
Speaker 3: I'm actually thinning and compressing the air around the foil
Speaker 3: to make it spin. That's how I do it. But
Speaker 3: everyone has a different way of doing it. And so
Speaker 3: the trick for me is to convince myself the glass
Speaker 3: bowl does not exist. I am still compressing and thinning
Speaker 3: the air around the foil. They're no glass bowl.
Speaker 1: And do you do you believe yourself when you tell
Speaker 1: yourself the ball doesn't exist, Well.
Speaker 3: Yes, because then it works, right, But when I don't
Speaker 3: believe it, it doesn't work.
Speaker 2: What's the difference between when you believe it and when
Speaker 2: you don't.
Speaker 3: Well, when I don't believe it, I'm likeugh, there's a
Speaker 3: conversation like, Okay, I'm infusing the air or compressing the
Speaker 3: air around the foil, but there's a glass bowl in
Speaker 3: the way. Okay, So I can't penetrate the air inside
Speaker 3: the glass bowl because the glass bowl acts like a
Speaker 3: like a guard or a prison or protector. Right, So
Speaker 3: if I say that, then it's not going to work.
Speaker 3: It's not the foil will not spin. But if I
Speaker 3: say to myself there is no glass bowl, and if
Speaker 3: I zoom in, the glass bowl is not solid, so
Speaker 3: I can get through the structure of the glass into
Speaker 3: the air inside of it. I can still thin the
Speaker 3: air and comp press it and it will move. So
Speaker 3: when I convince myself of that, then the foil will move.
Speaker 1: What for you personally, like knowing that you can like
Speaker 1: unmake a physical object, Like, what what are the implications
Speaker 1: for you around the material world that we find ourselves in.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are not living their
Speaker 3: full potential and they're not aware of their potential. I
Speaker 3: don't mean life purpose or career path. I mean potential
Speaker 3: as in like what your energy can do, what your
Speaker 3: thoughts can do, what your intentions can do. You know
Speaker 3: where we're not really tapped into that we're not tapped
Speaker 3: into you know, the god within or the source within
Speaker 3: the universe within ourselves.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, and it's for me it's still unfolding.
Speaker 1: And I mean I like these telekinesis and treat telepathy
Speaker 1: and things because they for a lot of people, they're
Speaker 1: like shiny object that gets your attention and says like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: if you can do it, then maybe I can do it,
Speaker 1: And that's that's amazing. What what is sort of the
Speaker 1: cutting edge for you? Like where do you see yourself
Speaker 1: developing your your potential further?
Speaker 3: I would love to learn at some point, and I
Speaker 3: respect all the stages that you have to go through
Speaker 3: in order to reach certain remps. But I would love
Speaker 3: to be able to levitate objects, light objects at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I have a very clear other lifetime memory
Speaker 1: of being there as the pyramids are being built, and
Speaker 1: they're essentially they make the those giant stones. First, they
Speaker 1: make them lighter. They take some of the matter and
Speaker 1: like put it in a different dimension so that the
Speaker 1: that the stone is more like a marshmallow, and then
Speaker 1: they levitate the stone into place. So yeah, levitating light
Speaker 1: light objects, making heavier objects lighter, that would be that
Speaker 1: would be fun. Yeah, And what's the like, what are
Speaker 1: some of the have you had any recent AHA moments
Speaker 1: or insights that have like continued to expand your perception
Speaker 1: in science?
Speaker 3: AHA moments with with telekinesis or araconesis or energy healing
Speaker 3: or life and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, either of those.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting to look at right, a lot
Speaker 1: of people as they're awakening, there's like a whole series
Speaker 1: of AHA moments like the world isn't what I thought
Speaker 1: it was, Like I can do more, and it's like
Speaker 1: it's just like all these insights that come, you know,
Speaker 1: quite rapidly, and then but you've been practicing this for decades,
Speaker 1: and so you're like quite experienced and familiar with a
Speaker 1: lot of the non physical things that are happening. So
Speaker 1: I'm just interested like where you're still discovering or you know, experiencing, Like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, that's way more for me. I feel like
Speaker 1: I see something and I'll understand, like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: a huge abyss of information here, Like I'll never get
Speaker 1: to the end of understanding like the geometry of the
Speaker 1: solar system or you know, every time I look at it,
Speaker 1: it's like blowing my mind. So I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: curious if you have any anything like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there are lots of things that I look
Speaker 3: at and go, you know, that's so vast. How could
Speaker 3: I ever learn all of that? The amount of star
Speaker 3: seed races there are is like infinite, right, The amount
Speaker 3: of galaxies that are, the amount of earth like planets
Speaker 3: there are out there. There's so much sea creatures, the ocean,
Speaker 3: you know, astrology. Yeah, I feel like I'm constantly learning
Speaker 3: things every day, and it's just it's never ending about everything.
Speaker 3: But I will say that, well, I mean with energy healing,
Speaker 3: I've been doing it for seventeen years now, but with
Speaker 3: the telekinesis araconesis. I've only been practicing that for maybe
Speaker 3: seven eight months, but I did have an AHA moment
Speaker 3: and recently in the past week. But it's not really
Speaker 3: about energy healing or telekinesis. I was thinking about how
Speaker 3: my mom spent thirty five years of her life being
Speaker 3: a single mother, and how a lot of my friends
Speaker 3: were raised by single mums who prefer to stay single.
Speaker 3: And I was thinking about how a lot of the
Speaker 3: men that I knew would rush into relationships or they
Speaker 3: wanted to be coupled up. And I realized that, oh,
Speaker 3: the reason why maybe some women prefer to stay single
Speaker 3: after their divorce, especially my mum's generation. I mean, they say, oh,
Speaker 3: I can't be bothered, it's too stressful, and you know,
Speaker 3: I want to come and go as I please, and
Speaker 3: they say all that, and yeah, and there could be
Speaker 3: some trauma there. That's one. But there are so many
Speaker 3: more single mums than there are who choose to be
Speaker 3: single than there are men. And I realize that it's
Speaker 3: because men need softness in their lives, you know. And
Speaker 3: they say that when a woman is in love, she's
Speaker 3: very motherly, and when a man is in love, maybe
Speaker 3: it's just heterosexual people. He turns into a child. So
Speaker 3: I feel like men, whether they know or not, there's
Speaker 3: a part of them that needs to be mothered, and
Speaker 3: there's a part of them they need that softness, and
Speaker 3: maybe they don't get that softness anywhere else in the
Speaker 3: world that there are other relationships, you know. And so
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, that's what it is, is
Speaker 3: that women provide a softness. Not all women. Know, women
Speaker 3: provide a softness, and they're maternal, not all women, and
Speaker 3: they're nurturing, not all women, but they tend to be
Speaker 3: soft and motherly and nurturing, and they provide that for
Speaker 3: heterosexual men, and the men don't get that softness, that nurturing,
Speaker 3: that maternal energy from other relationships, you know. So I thought, okay,
Speaker 3: and then women get to a certain point where I
Speaker 3: don't want to be in relationships. I just want to
Speaker 3: be single. I just want to do me because they
Speaker 3: are naturally very giving, and that being very giving has
Speaker 3: depleted them and they don't they want to contain their
Speaker 3: energy for themselves.
Speaker 1: You know, but especially after they've had kids, and they're
Speaker 1: like giving even more all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know your mother and your child and
Speaker 3: you don't want to mother grown grown adults as well,
Speaker 3: you know, require more than others. Yeah, but yeah, so
Speaker 3: that that was something that I realized in the past
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, is that men like that they need
Speaker 3: that softness so and women don't. And they get that
Speaker 3: from their friends.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, and it's like whatever a provider or whatever
Speaker 1: the like male role was. They're like, we'll just do
Speaker 1: that for ourselves kind of thing like whatever, Like they
Speaker 1: would be needing from their you know, husband counterparts they've
Speaker 1: like solved.
Speaker 3: Yeah. My partner and I were having this conversation just
Speaker 3: the other night. He says he believes what most people believe,
Speaker 3: you know, we're social creatures, spend time with a life partner.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't agree with that. I
Speaker 3: think if a lot of women were financially independent, I
Speaker 3: don't know if we'd see a lot of women, you know,
Speaker 3: coupled up.
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people, though, are searching
Speaker 1: for their twin flame or their soul partner or whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it. That's a big part of
Speaker 1: their ourselves through a deep relationship, and that's going to
Speaker 1: be like a pinnacle of this lifetime you know that
Speaker 1: that it's it's that's its own sort of objective.
Speaker 3: Yes, although I think now it's common knowledge. But you know,
Speaker 3: a soulmate can be your your dog, your soulmate can
Speaker 3: be your child, your soulmate can be your friend. I
Speaker 3: think originally when that buzzwords started floating around, flying around,
Speaker 3: people thought, Okay, you're going to meet the one, and
Speaker 3: the one is like lifetime. That's not that's not necessarily
Speaker 3: a soulmate. A soulmate can come in for one day,
Speaker 3: one month, one year, ten years. A soulmate doesn't necessarily
Speaker 3: mean you're with them for life. It just means that
Speaker 3: they are here to help you, help your soul grow.
Speaker 3: That's all that. Anyone can be your soulmate, you know,
Speaker 3: and not everyone has a twin flame, And even twin flames,
Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily mean a twin flame is forever. Doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that they're going to be with you for the
Speaker 3: rest of your life, you know.
Speaker 1: But so you you're in a relationship.
Speaker 2: Really it's been.
Speaker 3: Almost two years, but I was single for ten half
Speaker 3: years and I needed that time to heal and decompress,
Speaker 3: and in those ten half years I became financially independent,
Speaker 3: and I created three businesses, and I grew so much,
Speaker 3: and I really learned to love myself and accept myself
Speaker 3: and learn who I am, you know, after marriage and
Speaker 3: after a child and all that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 3: I feel like those ten and a half years that
Speaker 3: I spent being single were so incredibly empowering for me,
Speaker 3: incredibly empowering. Probably the most empowering chapter of my life.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, yeah, when the buck stops with you and.
Speaker 2: Totally get it and you have one kid, is that right?
Speaker 3: Yes, I have an eighteen year old son.
Speaker 1: Okay, because I know you've written some children's books, and
Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to ask you about was and
Speaker 1: so let me actually give you some context because we
Speaker 1: were talking about blindfold reading training. I taught my kids
Speaker 1: to read blindfold and they loved it. And then my
Speaker 1: school asked me to do a to run an all
Speaker 1: school assembly because I went to the same elementary school
Speaker 1: that my kids now go to, and they wanted to
Speaker 1: like hear my story, like what did you do since
Speaker 1: you left this elementary school?
Speaker 2: And there's a lot to share.
Speaker 1: And I was like, and now my kids are at
Speaker 1: the school, and let me talk about because I talked
Speaker 1: about some of the sacred sites I had visited because
Speaker 1: we used to travel full time as a family. I
Speaker 1: talked about a lot of these modalities that I had
Speaker 1: learned and some of the you know, ways that I
Speaker 1: had shifted my thinking. And then I was like, and
Speaker 1: my kids read blindfolded, and we're going to do a
Speaker 1: demo for you. And we did, and it was like
Speaker 1: all the whole school, three hundred kids like jumped out
Speaker 1: of their seats cheering.
Speaker 2: They're like, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: And then we ended up running this I called a
Speaker 1: Jedi camp, but it was telepathy, the water at tension
Speaker 1: freezing experiments made to Austin's work. We did telekinesis, spoon bending,
Speaker 1: a few other things and it was super fun. But
Speaker 1: I'm looking because a lot of parents say, like, Wow,
Speaker 1: you should teach what you do with the grown ups
Speaker 1: to kids or people that listen to the show. You
Speaker 1: should do that more with kids. What do you think
Speaker 1: are some of the most accessible fun things to do
Speaker 1: with kids to sort of expand their view of reality
Speaker 1: or to expand their own personal abilities. Yeah, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts about that?
Speaker 3: Everything you just said Teleconese Aracanice's energy healing psychic mediumship handling,
Speaker 3: light language, yoga, meditation, tai chi, all of it. I
Speaker 3: think kids don't have the programs that we know. They're
Speaker 3: not indoctrinated, you know, like we are. They don't have
Speaker 3: the limitations that we have. They're a lot more flexible,
Speaker 3: and they live in more of a magical world. Right,
Speaker 3: So that only starts closing down around about twelve years old.
Speaker 3: I would love to see more children doing covering, experiencing
Speaker 3: the topics that we have been talking about. And that's
Speaker 3: I initially wanted to teach because I couldn't find a
Speaker 3: teacher to teach my son, and I knew that around
Speaker 3: he'll start closing this stuff down. How can I prolong this?
Speaker 3: How can I? And I was looking for a teacher
Speaker 3: and those and then I was like, okay, well, you know,
Speaker 3: if you can't find what you want, you've got to
Speaker 3: create it yourself. So then I started teaching workshops, but
Speaker 3: for adults because I don't have an experience teaching with children,
Speaker 3: and you know, all these special permits and all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So I thought, okay, let me start
Speaker 3: off by teaching adults and then at some point I
Speaker 3: will start teaching children. Yeah, but I haven't. I haven't
Speaker 3: taught children yet though, I've just been teaching adults, and
Speaker 3: so I thought maybe I should write a book that
Speaker 3: teaches children. Then, so then the books you know, came about.
Speaker 1: Well, there is the there is they have less programming,
Speaker 1: but there's also a focus thing. It's like the attention
Speaker 1: span also plays plays a role once you get if
Speaker 1: you're if you're going too young, right, if you're like
Speaker 1: six and below, it can be hard.
Speaker 3: Yes, but then they don't need to spend an hour
Speaker 3: to move foil right right, they can do it instantly
Speaker 3: and then they're off to play exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny because like with the blindfield reading,
Speaker 1: there's some some eye movement exercises that the way that
Speaker 1: I learned helps to I think it is mostly like
Speaker 1: setting the brain wave states and like sort of resetting
Speaker 1: the nervous system in a way to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just help facilitate that process. But that takes like.
Speaker 1: Eight minutes, and then you have another few minutes of
Speaker 1: actually like reading, and then it's and then we're done.
Speaker 2: You know, how old are your kids currently? There are nine?
Speaker 2: Seven and two.
Speaker 3: Oh, you've got three kids, okay, seven nine, And so
Speaker 3: that those two kids read with blinds yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I tried it too because they were doing it,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, I should probably learn And
Speaker 1: I was surprised because because what it is is like
Speaker 1: for me, I don't know how you experience this, but
Speaker 1: it's like just trying to read in a dark room. Basically,
Speaker 1: it's like just very dim, you know, but reading through
Speaker 1: the blindfold. And I assume with practice it would sort
Speaker 1: of brighten up a bit or the contrast would.
Speaker 3: Improve, right, So you learning that now?
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: When they were doing it, I was like, I better
Speaker 1: just give it a go, and yeah, just sit it
Speaker 1: one track, because I don't really have.
Speaker 2: A use for it.
Speaker 3: I think it's very useful. Yeah, well, I mean you
Speaker 3: could teach blind people.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean yeah, for other people, it would probably
Speaker 1: be very useful, but I personally don't have a use
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 3: Right, But at some point, you know, if our eyes
Speaker 3: start aging.
Speaker 1: Right, well, I would probably still approach instead of teaching
Speaker 1: myself to read blindfold, I would work on correcting the vision. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be my approach.
Speaker 2: Let's see we have a few more minutes.
Speaker 1: I know you do a lot of traveling, and I
Speaker 1: know that because you're someone who's tuned in to your
Speaker 1: your guidance and your like running your life through you know,
Speaker 1: listening and your intuition and things like that. I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear any stories. I find it fascinating when people
Speaker 1: are really leaning into trust and they're trusting the universe
Speaker 1: to have things work out for them, and they're trusting
Speaker 1: the messages that they receive about decisions they're making and
Speaker 1: things like that, and sometimes it leads to really fun
Speaker 1: kind of synchronicities or series of events unfolding that are like,
Speaker 1: you couldn't make this stuff up. Do you have anything
Speaker 1: like that that's happened for you as you've like, you know,
Speaker 1: really trust trusting the process so to speak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always asking for signs. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 3: can muscle test to see, you know, and I can
Speaker 3: go in through the cash at records to see. But
Speaker 3: I'm always throwing out like to do lists, you know,
Speaker 3: and asking for signs, and I always get them. For example, actually,
Speaker 3: when I was contemplating teaching, I really got into my
Speaker 3: head about it and I thought, oh my gosh, there's
Speaker 3: all these reasons why I should teach, And there's all
Speaker 3: these reasons why I should and teach. And you know,
Speaker 3: I'm more introverted. I don't like speaking in public. I
Speaker 3: don't do public speaking. I'm very private. My grammar is
Speaker 3: not perfect. You know. I can get really shy, I
Speaker 3: can trip over my words a lot, and I can
Speaker 3: start fidgeting and I get really self conscious, and you know,
Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff. And I was really nervous
Speaker 3: about teaching. And I was like, okay, so there's these
Speaker 3: all these reasons why I should teach, and there's all
Speaker 3: these reasons why I shouldn't teach. And I don't have
Speaker 3: all the answers, and what if I don't have the
Speaker 3: answers and I'm not a master and I haven't killed
Speaker 3: cancer yet, and you know, all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: And then I remember I was driving in Culver City
Speaker 3: and I said, Universe, just just tell me what to do.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. Just tell me if
Speaker 3: I should teach or not teach, and give me a
Speaker 3: really clear obvious stopped in at the traffic light and
Speaker 3: I looked over to my left and there's this white
Speaker 3: van and there's these black, bold capital letters. Is said teach,
Speaker 3: And I, oh shit. And I drove home and I
Speaker 3: just started spiraling. I was just so nervous, and I
Speaker 3: sat in meditation because I had almost like a panic
Speaker 3: attack happening. And I was like, oh, there's all these
Speaker 3: reasons why, And then this voice just cut through and
Speaker 3: said it's not about you, and that humbled me, and
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, you know, you're right. I'm getting
Speaker 3: so hung up on my insecurities and my egos or
Speaker 3: and it's not about me. So if in doubt, focus out,
Speaker 3: So stop focusing on me, right, and focus on helping people,
Speaker 3: being off service to people. And things like that happen constantly.
Speaker 3: I get signs even when I'm not asking for a sign,
Speaker 3: you know, like I'm I wonder if I should get
Speaker 3: a new mattress, and then I'll see again on a
Speaker 3: truck mattress like oh, okay, I guess I'm getting a
Speaker 3: new mattress. I get the sign, you know, or like.
Speaker 2: That's pretty instant feedback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, like it happens a lot when I was driving,
Speaker 3: you know, and I like to do it in front
Speaker 3: of my son to show him the how magical it is.
Speaker 3: So you know, like one day we were driving West
Speaker 3: LA and we were talking about where we want to
Speaker 3: go on vacation, and he threw out a bunch of countries.
Speaker 3: I throw out a bunch of countries, and I said,
Speaker 3: why don't we just ask the universe where we should
Speaker 3: go next, you know, Japan or Brazil or Australia. And
Speaker 3: then within two minutes a suv pulled in front of
Speaker 3: us and they had a bumper sticker they said Brazil.
Speaker 3: So I looked at my son and I said, we're
Speaker 3: going to Brazil.
Speaker 2: You know, And and we did it amazing and it
Speaker 2: was awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is your son's current super into being in
Speaker 1: tune or what's his current relationship since you brought him up?
Speaker 1: You know, like doing things like that.
Speaker 3: My son is the reason why I started doing energy
Speaker 3: healing and trained as a psychic medium, because when he
Speaker 3: was a baby, he could see spirits and entities and
Speaker 3: orbs and all kinds of things. And I thought, I'm
Speaker 3: going to have to learn a psychic mediumship so that
Speaker 3: I can empower him so that he doesn't grow up
Speaker 3: being terrified of empties and spirits. Because even though I
Speaker 3: have always been able to feel or sense spirit, I
Speaker 3: never wanted to see them all talk to them. My
Speaker 3: son saw hundreds of them and I had to throw
Speaker 3: them all into a portal one night one o'clock in
Speaker 3: the morning. He was like this blood curdling scream from
Speaker 3: him and he wouldn't stop screaming until I threw them
Speaker 3: all into a portal. And Okay, I'm going to have
Speaker 3: to do what I really don't want to do and
Speaker 3: start taking some psychic mediumship classes and talking to spirit.
Speaker 1: So he.
Speaker 3: And then because he got six seven times back to back,
Speaker 3: back to back, back to bout this is not this
Speaker 3: is not normal. Something weird going on, and that's when
Speaker 3: I contacted a healer and eventually doctor cam Youwan actually
Speaker 3: spent twenty minutes on the phone working on me and
Speaker 3: my husband at the time, so one's father and the
Speaker 3: next day my son was well and stayed well, and
Speaker 3: I thought, hmmm, that's interesting. There's a lot more that's
Speaker 3: going on that we're not seeing. So then I, yeah,
Speaker 3: got into energy healing, and so it's because of my
Speaker 3: son that I'm on the path that I'm on. He
Speaker 3: could see and he saw a lot, but I feel like,
Speaker 3: like I said around twelve thirteen, you know, they get
Speaker 3: caught up in society and what their friends are interested in.
Speaker 3: And that kind of life takes over, right, So he's
Speaker 3: not really interested in in this path as much like
Speaker 3: it's just something he can do. Okay, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: he can bend a knife, he can do telekinesis, but
Speaker 3: it's just something that he can do. But it's not
Speaker 3: the thing that he wants. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'm just curious. You know.
Speaker 1: I have a few friends with kids at different age levels,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like some of them like to grow
Speaker 1: up with magical parents, will come back to it in
Speaker 1: their mid twenty sort of like, Okay, I have all
Speaker 1: these gifts, I'm going to embrace it to a greater
Speaker 1: extent and sort of come back to my training kind
Speaker 1: of thing. And some are just like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it is something I can do and that's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just observing, you know, my own kids growing up,
Speaker 1: because both my kids are really gifted, but my daughter
Speaker 1: is really She comes to help me with ceremonies, like
Speaker 1: we did this house clearing last week, amazing powerful, like
Speaker 1: all day experience, and she was like directing. She's like
Speaker 1: we're going to go over here and we're going to
Speaker 1: do this, and I was like, okay, just like you
Speaker 1: know what to do, so you know, I have my protocol,
Speaker 1: but like you have, you're like knowing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well it sounds like she resonates with that
Speaker 3: kind of life, right yeah, which is which is great.
Speaker 3: You got a little healer there or channeler there, right
Speaker 3: yeah there. Whereas my son is more he's more interested
Speaker 3: in learning bass guitar right now, you know, so that's
Speaker 3: what really lights him up. He'll spend hours and hours
Speaker 3: and hours teaching himself bass guitar, so I think. And
Speaker 3: he just started university like a month ago, and he's
Speaker 3: already been asked by four different people to join their bands.
Speaker 3: So I think it's like, okay, that seems to be
Speaker 3: taking shape for him. M hm, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the way I think about it, and maybe you
Speaker 1: can add your own conception, is like when we come
Speaker 1: into a lifetime, we have sort of this like broad
Speaker 1: framework for skills we're going to acquire things we're going
Speaker 1: to enjoy, or like maybe he's supposed to be in
Speaker 1: a band for a while, or maybe you know, maybe
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be married for a while, any of
Speaker 1: these things. And it's like if you're if you don't
Speaker 1: end up being a healer, but you're supposed to, like,
Speaker 1: you keep getting these nudges that like push you back
Speaker 1: towards the thing that you're like ignoring and ignoring, and
Speaker 1: finally it's like, okay, fine, I'll just accept and do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did not want to be a healer.
Speaker 2: What was your resistance?
Speaker 3: I trained as an actor and dancer, and I moved
Speaker 3: to La Los Angeles in was it two thousand and two, Yeah,
Speaker 3: to pursue acting. And it wasn't until I got pregnant
Speaker 3: and had my son, and I thought, I'm not able
Speaker 3: to drive across town during his nap time to make
Speaker 3: this audition that I may or may not get. And
Speaker 3: I don't want him being raised in a studio or
Speaker 3: on set, and I need to pump milk and that's
Speaker 3: what's really important. And agents don't like that. They don't
Speaker 3: like that. You're like, I can't make the audition because
Speaker 3: I'm pumping milk. I can't make the audition because my
Speaker 3: son's napping. They don't like that. I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: I guess you know, that's just not a priority right now.
Speaker 3: And the first workshop that I took in energy healing,
Speaker 3: it wasn't even a workshop that I wanted to take.
Speaker 3: I was trying to get my mom to take the
Speaker 3: workshop and she was like, well, your birthday's coming up.
Speaker 3: I think I should pay for you to go take
Speaker 3: it as a birthday gift and then you can learn
Speaker 3: it and maybe you can work on your son. And
Speaker 3: she's very smart, and I was like, oh, I thought, well,
Speaker 3: blame birthday gift. And I was like, I really don't
Speaker 3: want to do it. But then I thought, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: I could learn and I could work on my son myself,
Speaker 3: and I guess that I would be handy, Okay, So
Speaker 3: I reluctantly went and did it. But you know, I
Speaker 3: have a very colorful past. I'm not a pure and
Speaker 3: innocent and wholesome person, and you know, I'm not a
Speaker 3: person who's like oh oh love and lying and you
Speaker 3: know I'm not that person. You know, I'm really not
Speaker 3: that person. So I thought, I don't think I should
Speaker 3: be a healer. But I learned energy healing. It came
Speaker 3: very natural to me and people have been coming to
Speaker 3: me ever since. And for the first two years, I
Speaker 3: kept saying to universe, I don't think I'm supposed to
Speaker 3: be doing this. I think you got the wrong person.
Speaker 3: But then when when I got divorced, I said, what
Speaker 3: do you want me to do? Do you do you
Speaker 3: want me to work as a healer? Is that how
Speaker 3: you want me to serve? And if that is, then
Speaker 3: you need to make sure that I have a full
Speaker 3: time practice within the next two weeks or I'm not
Speaker 3: doing it. And within two weeks I had a full
Speaker 3: time practice and have not stopped since.
Speaker 1: You know, we said we weren't going to talk about
Speaker 1: your origin story, but it is.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It is wonderful to hear that, because yeah, there's so
Speaker 1: many people are being asked to make a pivot or
Speaker 1: to step into something and they're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: am I ready? Is this really for me? Who am
Speaker 1: I all these you know, all these things? I'm curious
Speaker 1: about love and light?
Speaker 2: You don't. You said you're not all about love and light?
Speaker 2: But do you use love and light?
Speaker 3: Like, yes, I use it because you're supposed to use it, right, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: But if I'm working on someone and they are for example,
Speaker 3: if I had a client who said that her ex
Speaker 3: husband was sexually abusing her children, no, I'm not all
Speaker 3: about love and light. You know, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: encourage her to hate him. I'm not going to encourage
Speaker 3: her to seek revenge, you know. I'm going to work
Speaker 3: on her to lessen the pain and clear the calmer
Speaker 3: between her, the children and him so that he can
Speaker 3: stop sexually abusing them, and strengthen her so that she
Speaker 3: can possibly win for custody of the children. You know.
Speaker 3: But I'm not someone who's like, oh, you know, love
Speaker 3: and lie, just forgive him and everything will work out
Speaker 3: and you know, God has a plan, and like, I'm
Speaker 3: not that person. You know, like it angers me when
Speaker 3: people physically or sexually abuse children. I get angered.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like you're I'm thinking of like.
Speaker 1: Military squads where they're just like, here's what's going to
Speaker 1: be effective to resolve this, and we're just going to
Speaker 1: go in and be like really practical here.
Speaker 2: And you know, it.
Speaker 1: Sounds like you get into get into a mode where
Speaker 1: you're like, we're just going to solve this and here's
Speaker 1: all my available tools and strategies.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I get very focused on the result and what
Speaker 3: needs to be done to get that result. Yeah, i'd
Speaker 3: say when I'm working on people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I can imagine that's why you're partly
Speaker 1: why you're so successful, right, I mean that people like
Speaker 1: really get a lot of from working with you, right.
Speaker 3: Some people do, Yeah, some people do. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: but some people very receptive to energy healing as well. Though.
Speaker 3: You know, for some people, you know, they just need
Speaker 3: one session. For some people they need five. Some people
Speaker 3: are highly sensitive and extremely receptive to energy healing, you know. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, there are so many healers out there who
Speaker 3: are incredibly talented who aren't working as energy healers. They
Speaker 3: don't want to work as an energy healer. They don't
Speaker 3: want to work on people, they don't want to listen
Speaker 3: to problems, they don't want to The universe is not
Speaker 3: forcing them to work as an energy healer, wheas I
Speaker 3: feel like I was forced to work.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's say you encounter a serious issue going
Speaker 1: on with someone? How do you make sure to not
Speaker 1: take that on or like, what's the.
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Potentially it could be really draining, right or just intense.
Speaker 1: So how do you what do you do to make
Speaker 1: sure that you're not getting dirty?
Speaker 2: So to speak?
Speaker 3: Well, when you do it for a long time. With
Speaker 3: Chinese engine healing, you've got to be neutral for it
Speaker 3: to work. So you cannot be poured off center. When
Speaker 3: you do Chinese Engye healing, you cannot break down in
Speaker 3: a session and start crying and sobbing. You know with
Speaker 3: the client that you're not going to be able to
Speaker 3: do the work, So that anchors me. And when you
Speaker 3: listen to problems and horror stories every day for however
Speaker 3: many years, it's not that you become immune to it,
Speaker 3: but you become accustomed to the story the pain. Right.
Speaker 3: But every now and then something will cut through that,
Speaker 3: something will penetrate your neutrality and it will affect you
Speaker 3: because it's supposed to trigger something within yourself. Sometimes the
Speaker 3: universe will bring me people who are reflecting something within myself.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, they're the wound as me. They have
Speaker 3: a similar trauma as me. Right, because I'm supposed to
Speaker 3: look at that problem or that issue within myself, there's
Speaker 3: another layer for me to heal for myself within myself,
Speaker 3: you know. And it's a real fine line of straddling.
Speaker 3: You've got to be professional, but you've also got to
Speaker 3: see and feel and hear your client, and you've got
Speaker 3: to be compassionate, but you've also got to be have
Speaker 3: firm boundaries, right, So there's a lot of things that
Speaker 3: you need to straddle. But then you also got to
Speaker 3: clean yourself after work. And for some people it's imagining
Speaker 3: a big, chunky cloud rinsing through your body rapidly. Some
Speaker 3: people it's using the toilet. For some people, it's washing
Speaker 3: their hands. For some people it's say foot soak. For
Speaker 3: some people it's a salt bath. Some people it's standing
Speaker 3: on the grass barefoot and just allowing the Earth's electrons
Speaker 3: to move through your body. So, you know, everyone cleanses
Speaker 3: themselves differently. I don't think it's possible for me not
Speaker 3: to feel anything, because that's just not who I am.
Speaker 3: But some people can be very they can compartmentalize and
Speaker 3: just go in there, very matter of fact, practical, just
Speaker 3: do the work in and out, in and out, in
Speaker 3: and out, in and out, and they can be unaffected.
Speaker 3: But it's like everyone's different, you know. Extroverts can do
Speaker 3: more sessions and they can get energized from seeing a
Speaker 3: lot of clients, whereas introverts get depleted easier and they
Speaker 3: need time to recharge and rejuvenate. So I spend some days,
Speaker 3: I spend seven seven hours to ten hours a day
Speaker 3: in silence. Well, you know, but not everyone wants to
Speaker 3: live like that.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so my wife is as a practitioner as well,
Speaker 1: and she is kind of more on the introvert side,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of recovery time. And it makes
Speaker 1: me think like, Okay, extroverts have a great you know,
Speaker 1: if they can just like heal a ton of people
Speaker 1: and keep getting energized, like that's a that's a better
Speaker 1: business model. Or you could like potentially if you're seeing
Speaker 1: more people are helping more people, potentially that's a better
Speaker 1: business model.
Speaker 3: Well, but extroverts do get burnt out too though.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They extroverts can get burnt out too because their boundaries
Speaker 3: are I don't want to say weaker, just.
Speaker 2: We're extended.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, they're more extended. But you know, extroverts
Speaker 3: need to recharge as well. And extroverts can can get
Speaker 3: burnt out because they just keep going, keep going, keep going,
Speaker 3: keep and then it becomes a bit of like an
Speaker 3: addictive high. When you get into that addictive high, you
Speaker 3: can crash, right, So they don't pace themselves as well.
Speaker 3: There's a danger in that they don't pace themselves, whereas introverts,
Speaker 3: I find are very aware of their capacity and their
Speaker 3: stamina and their endurance. They plan for it.
Speaker 2: That makes sense. So just like a practical three D thing.
Speaker 1: How do you how do you structure your business when
Speaker 1: you're when you're doing healing work?
Speaker 2: Yeah? How do you? How do you run run your business? Well?
Speaker 3: People just book online. I have a website Chinese Enghnian
Speaker 3: dot com. They just book online either twenty minute session
Speaker 3: or thirty minute session and then we either meet on
Speaker 3: zoom or FaceTime and I just say Hi, what would
Speaker 3: you like to work on? They tell me, and I
Speaker 3: just dive in and go.
Speaker 1: So you're not I mean, I know you have quite
Speaker 1: a lot of people now following on social media. Are
Speaker 1: you thinking strategically about the business or are you just
Speaker 1: kind of flows to you or do you manage it
Speaker 1: at all? Just sort of curious about the three D
Speaker 1: structure of that type of thing.
Speaker 3: I don't solicit any clients. I don't DM any people,
Speaker 3: if that's what you mean. I don't really. I don't
Speaker 3: pay for marketing. I'm not sponsored by anyone or anything.
Speaker 3: I just share what I do on social media and
Speaker 3: trust that the people who who resonate with me will
Speaker 3: find me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's I think the dream of a
Speaker 1: lot of healers, right, that I would just that they
Speaker 1: would just have that and that people would just find them.
Speaker 1: I just I'm asking because you know, I work with
Speaker 1: a lot of different healers and things like that, and
Speaker 1: it's like people that have a lot of it's called
Speaker 1: it five D, like a sense of the expanded universe,
Speaker 1: but then they still have to run a three D
Speaker 1: business there practical things like I want to make sure
Speaker 1: that I have enough money to pay my necessities and
Speaker 1: all those things. Yeah, just just always curious to hear
Speaker 1: how people are running their their business operations.
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 2: But for you it sounds pretty straightforward.
Speaker 3: It's pretty Yeah, it's pretty straightforward. It kind of like
Speaker 3: runs itself type thing, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that's the dream, right.
Speaker 3: I am very fortunate. There are people who don't have
Speaker 3: a website. There are people who aren't on social media,
Speaker 3: and they're just as busy and just as successful. You know.
Speaker 3: Whereas I force myself to be more visible, I don't
Speaker 3: really like it. I forced myself to be more visible.
Speaker 2: Is that because you think it's of service?
Speaker 3: Because there's some really horrible people out there doing some
Speaker 3: really horrible things. And if you consider yourself a light worker,
Speaker 3: which just means that your work brings light to the world,
Speaker 3: then we need to be more visible to balance out
Speaker 3: all the darkness that's happening, all the dark agendas that's
Speaker 3: happening in the world. Otherwise, the darkness is going to
Speaker 3: drown everything out and people are just gonna spiral into
Speaker 3: powerlessness and hopelessness and helplessness despair. So those of us
Speaker 3: who are whose work is creating some light in the world,
Speaker 3: there's an obligation to be more visible to show what's
Speaker 3: possible and the love and the light that's out in
Speaker 3: the world. I encourage other light workers to be more visible.
Speaker 3: So it's like, how can I encourage other light workers
Speaker 3: to be more visible when I'm not willing to be
Speaker 3: more visible? So I gotta, I gotta, you know, walk
Speaker 3: the walk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an interesting phenomenon, and I wonder if you've
Speaker 1: observed this too, where like some things on social media,
Speaker 1: like for me, it's tree telepathy, all the comments are
Speaker 1: like this is amazing, I love it, it's opening my eyes.
Speaker 1: I'm using this stuff, and it's like generally all positive,
Speaker 1: and then there's some things where and so for me,
Speaker 1: it's like when I'm remote viewing this three I Atlas
Speaker 1: interstellar object and reporting on what I see when I
Speaker 1: remote view, that gets way more trolls and things like that.
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if there's, like it almost must be
Speaker 1: like an agency effort to like deploy that many people
Speaker 1: to try to distract or something from certain topics but
Speaker 1: not others. What do you think is going on with
Speaker 1: why some are like it appears like there's a concerted
Speaker 1: effort to I don't know, discredit or.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of people who've been censored, right,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of people who will continue to
Speaker 3: be censored, I mean, and then they they don't want
Speaker 3: people to be magical and empowered and too powerful, right,
Speaker 3: because they need a society that is docile and subservient
Speaker 3: to follow the rules and the programs that we've been
Speaker 3: indoctrinated in. Right, So they need followers, not leaders. But yes,
Speaker 3: when I post energy healing, I'd say it's mostly positive comments,
Speaker 3: but posts, you know, spoon bending, which is hands down
Speaker 3: the easiest thing you know that I can do. And
Speaker 3: then you get all these trolls and haters and really rude,
Speaker 3: obnoxious you know, people who are just completely unconscious and
Speaker 3: sleep walking through life, or I'd call them zombies, you know,
Speaker 3: coming out and making all these comments and you're like, wow,
Speaker 3: it's just spending a spoon, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's because the spoon bidding is so symbolic
Speaker 1: because of the Matrix movies, you know, with the like
Speaker 1: that's when Neo is like, ah, I can start to
Speaker 1: understand how the matrix is not real. Maybe it's like
Speaker 1: a like a symbolic node in in the matrix.
Speaker 3: We have watched the matrix. Will will post a little
Speaker 3: does it give gif of the matrix going? There is
Speaker 3: no spoon? But I think the trolls of the people,
Speaker 3: the haters, they don't they have not watched the matrix,
Speaker 3: And it is quite baffling because I think, have you
Speaker 3: not seen the medical cheekong masters who can set a
Speaker 3: piece of paper on fire with their energy? Have you
Speaker 3: not seen these things? You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like to me, it's like these things are out there.
Speaker 3: It's kind of common knowledge at this point. So you know,
Speaker 3: what kind of life? What kind of rock do you
Speaker 3: live under? I don't understand, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, my friend always reminds me, He's like, what you
Speaker 1: consider to be common knowledge and normal for you is
Speaker 1: not everybody's normal, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he reminds me of that.
Speaker 1: He's like, the things that are easy for you, like
Speaker 1: other people might struggle with just because that's they're not you.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say that. When I was just posting
Speaker 3: Energy Healing, you know, you have a certain type of
Speaker 3: person who's following you, and it's a really nice, little
Speaker 3: cozy little world full of care bears, you know. And
Speaker 3: then I posted the spoon bending and that went viral,
Speaker 3: and then all kinds of different people start noticing you,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately some of the zombies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you enlist, like, I don't know your star
Speaker 1: seed family or any like, let's say, beings that are
Speaker 1: up the hierarchy to keep you safe when you're like
Speaker 1: venturing out into the broader world or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I do. But I do feel like I am very
Speaker 3: much protected these days. Not when I was growing up,
Speaker 3: because I didn't know about protection all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: But now I feel like I am protected. And then
Speaker 3: I always ask, I always tell the universe command demand,
Speaker 3: you know, if you want me to continue to this work,
Speaker 3: you need to protect me.
Speaker 2: Otherwise I'm not doing it, you know, making deals, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, having conditions, you know, yeah, like these are my requirements,
Speaker 3: this is what I require?
Speaker 1: Yeah, easy, Yeah, anything I haven't asked you about that
Speaker 1: you want to make sure to touch on?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, if you want a private session,
Speaker 3: you can book online at Chinese Energy Healing dot com.
Speaker 3: And if you're interested in the workshop, you can go
Speaker 3: to Alchemistsartshealing dot com. And if you're interested in my
Speaker 3: children's books, I've got the Kindness Guru, I have Flip
Speaker 3: of Feet Pete, and I have The Little Healer. They're
Speaker 3: all available on Amazon.
Speaker 1: And anything coming up that we should know about, we're
Speaker 1: recording here in late October twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: No, I just recently finished a Zoom workshop, but I
Speaker 3: have a pre recorded online workshop that's a v all
Speaker 3: at Alchemistsartshealing dot com. And you can always sign up
Speaker 3: for the newsletter and you'll be notified about my next
Speaker 3: live Zoom workshops. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wonderful, gars, thanks so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Derek, it was a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Thank you, guys. Talks in