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Speaker 4: Hey, thanks, thanks for having me Dan. I'm excited to
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Speaker 1: a TikTok creator, you like to talk about religion and uh, you,
Speaker 1: I would say, you are quite critical of religion, not
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Speaker 1: to me about this? Be easy? So so you know,
Speaker 1: we've been we've been getting talking. Like I said at
Speaker 1: the beginning, we've been talking to a lot of TikTok
Speaker 1: creators who who are coming out of the woodwork in
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, you know, in talking to
Speaker 1: people about the fact that they are atheists or agnostic.
Speaker 2: Do you identify as atheist or agnostic?
Speaker 5: No, I did not identify as agnostic. I am an atheist,
Speaker 5: just atheists. So what's that down? What's that distinction for you?
Speaker 5: So excuse me as we know just you know a
Speaker 5: lot of people, and it's surprising because some people, you know,
Speaker 5: don't understand the differences between those two you know and
Speaker 5: just and you know, and and a lot of people
Speaker 5: think being an atheist is a belief system. It's not
Speaker 5: a belief system. It's the lack of a belief in
Speaker 5: any religious gods, you know. And just strictly for me,
Speaker 5: when people ask me that question, I strictly I straight
Speaker 5: up tell them, you know, for me, you know, anything
Speaker 5: that exists has evidence to validate its existence, and simply
Speaker 5: because no god has any evidence to validate their existence,
Speaker 5: then it doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: For me, Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I mean I
Speaker 1: tend to think along the same lines. There's some atheists
Speaker 1: that will say, well, I'm an agnostic atheist because I
Speaker 1: don't know for sure, but I don't kind of believe
Speaker 1: in anything. Do you do you find any uh? You know,
Speaker 1: does that make sense to you all? Or or you're like,
Speaker 1: now you don't even use it that I.
Speaker 5: Don't know, you know, uh, when when people say that,
Speaker 5: it makes sense to me, Like I get why they're
Speaker 5: saying that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But for me, I don't need to say that.
Speaker 5: You know, I often tell people, you know, for God's
Speaker 5: you know, people back back then, in ancient days and antiquity,
Speaker 5: you know, they didn't have the scientific innovation that we
Speaker 5: have today. And also they were bored, so you know,
Speaker 5: they would look around. They would wonder how things operate.
Speaker 5: You know, oh, what's this wet substance is falling down
Speaker 5: from the sky. I don't know what that is. I
Speaker 5: don't know how it happens. So they would have questions.
Speaker 4: So what would they do?
Speaker 5: You know, they would make up gods and attribute different
Speaker 5: traits of nature to those gods, and then they would
Speaker 5: create stories about those gods, you know, make them do
Speaker 5: things so that they could sit down around the campfire and.
Speaker 4: Entertain themselves, you know.
Speaker 5: And then if you transferred a little later on down
Speaker 5: the line, people you know, people in positions of authority
Speaker 5: or whatnot, realized how much you can control and drive
Speaker 5: people's behavior with the beliefs in different gods.
Speaker 4: And so that's what they started to do.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, So you're someone who definitely believes that religion
Speaker 1: and you know, and it's in many and some of
Speaker 1: its forms today probably certainly not all right, but but
Speaker 1: in some of its forms, say, are used as a
Speaker 1: control for people.
Speaker 2: You know, you do you do go that far?
Speaker 4: Definitely? Definitely. Hey, I get you if I get you
Speaker 4: to believe in my God that I created, but only
Speaker 4: I know that I created.
Speaker 5: But if I get you to believe in my God,
Speaker 5: and then I tell you, hey, well, well I'm the
Speaker 5: middleman between this god and you, and hey, this God
Speaker 5: told me that it wants you to do X Y
Speaker 5: and Z. So guess what I'm going to do X
Speaker 5: Y and Z Because now I believe in this God,
Speaker 5: and I believe that this God is in control of
Speaker 5: my afterlife and whatnot.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to do what's required to please this God.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so you weren't always in atheists though, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: not at all?
Speaker 2: You did you identify as a Christian before?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, I was.
Speaker 4: I was a Christian.
Speaker 2: How long were you a Christian?
Speaker 5: I was a Christian for about twenty three years, the
Speaker 5: first twenty three years of my life, you know, right now,
Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'm nearly double that that amount, you know,
Speaker 5: my age is nearly double that. And so growing up,
Speaker 5: I often, you know, I often like had questions about
Speaker 5: specific things that just never sat right with me. But
Speaker 5: I was always I was always shushed in church, you know,
Speaker 5: and and in the community at home and things of
Speaker 5: that nature. You know, there's there's a there's a popular
Speaker 5: saying in you know, in the community Christian community, don't
Speaker 5: question God, you know, and then they'll use a statement
Speaker 5: that's in the Bible, you know, the walk by faith
Speaker 5: not by sight or statement which literally tells you not
Speaker 5: to think, you know, just do as you're told. Right,
Speaker 5: So I was often I was often shushed with statements
Speaker 5: like that. Then in my early twenties, you know, I
Speaker 5: sat down and I actually started to just to research
Speaker 5: things to try to answer my questions, and I started
Speaker 5: the information that I started to come on to discover,
Speaker 5: you know, you know.
Speaker 1: He said, you're about twice as old now, so this
Speaker 1: would have been about twenty years.
Speaker 2: Ago at this.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm I'm forty one now.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm forty one.
Speaker 5: So when I when I was twenty three, you know,
Speaker 5: I sat down and actually I I really I sat
Speaker 5: down to try to prove the existence of Jesus because
Speaker 5: someone a friend of mine who had gone through his
Speaker 5: deconstruction process and everything, he just he planted that seed
Speaker 5: in my ear. You know, he was like, hey, can
Speaker 5: you can you validate? Can you prove the can you
Speaker 5: validate the existence of Jesus to me, you know, with
Speaker 5: using as less of the Bible as you could, you know,
Speaker 5: And so I sat down and try to try to
Speaker 5: do that, and then lo and behold, you know, I
Speaker 5: started to discover one lie, you know, and then I
Speaker 5: started to discover another one and another, and then just eventually,
Speaker 5: you know, like that just engulfed all of my leisure time,
Speaker 5: even even when I was supposed to be doing other
Speaker 5: things productive, I would be you know.
Speaker 2: I had a very similar experience.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are like that, right,
Speaker 1: because it's like, wait a minute, so this if this
Speaker 1: isn't true, like what else is in Troe?
Speaker 2: What about this thing about this?
Speaker 1: Right? It kind of becomes you know, you kind of
Speaker 1: get dig into it, right you kind of yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: get into it. And so not only are you an atheist,
Speaker 1: you're also a Jesus mythicist.
Speaker 4: I am. I am a mythesist. I am a mythsist.
Speaker 1: I like because that's not as common in the atheist community.
Speaker 1: And in fact, not only that for you, the actual
Speaker 1: the mythsist position was a part of your deconstruction, is
Speaker 1: what I'm said about.
Speaker 4: It pretty much led the charge because.
Speaker 5: You know, once I started to once I started to
Speaker 5: get a hunch that Jesus wasn't a real person and
Speaker 5: you know, and those things were fabricated, I still was
Speaker 5: holding onto the God portion of it.
Speaker 4: You know, I wasn't one of those you know.
Speaker 5: I was a Christian, but I wasn't just deep into
Speaker 5: it as like you know, you know, priests, the doctrine
Speaker 5: and everything. I wasn't one of those trinitarians and everything.
Speaker 5: You know, I was just told like Jesus the Son
Speaker 5: of God, and you know, he did these things and stuff.
Speaker 5: So I was still holding on to the god aspect
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 1: Parkay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, then you know I started to critically think more
Speaker 5: and more. Like once I started to learn and understand
Speaker 5: more and more history, it allowed me to critically think
Speaker 5: more and more, and in turn, that opened the door
Speaker 5: for me to pay attention to more scientific innovations and
Speaker 5: reasonings for things and stuff in the natural world more
Speaker 5: and more, and that led me here today.
Speaker 1: Really. Okay, So, so for the time when you were
Speaker 1: first like okay, I'm not sure about this thing, or
Speaker 1: you say a friend was sort of influencing you a
Speaker 1: bit because they had their own deconstruction experience. Well, when
Speaker 1: when did that start versus when you said, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: finally an atheist.
Speaker 2: How long was that period?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Well, I want to say, honestly, it took a couple
Speaker 5: of years to finally say. I will say, uh, maybe
Speaker 5: around in my late twenties, maybe around twenty eight, twenty
Speaker 5: nine thirty real, because you know, because for me and
Speaker 5: I know this happens to other people as well, Like,
Speaker 5: you know, once I started to have a hunch, you know,
Speaker 5: about that the God thing was made up, then I started,
Speaker 5: like I started, I was still trying to hold on
Speaker 5: to it, you know, seeing I'm very spiritual and you know,
Speaker 5: these spiritual things and stuff, and so gotcha.
Speaker 1: That was my way of you don't want to get
Speaker 1: you don't want to throw away the whole baby with
Speaker 1: the bath water. Right, You're you're like, hey, maybe some
Speaker 1: of this is real, but like at least this part
Speaker 1: is it, right, So so you were kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think that's pretty common experience.
Speaker 2: I for myself, it was probably pretty similar.
Speaker 1: I think I became a liberal Christian first before it
Speaker 1: became like an atheist, right because it's like, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: the Bible we don't have to take everything literally and
Speaker 1: we don't have to take everything this and then you know,
Speaker 1: it just kind of kind of goes away from that time.
Speaker 1: So that makes sense to me rite how that works.
Speaker 5: And I know, I think uh as far as like
Speaker 5: with a friend kind of planting a seed. Initially in
Speaker 5: the beginning of our processes, I know it was a
Speaker 5: friend with me, and I think it was it was
Speaker 5: a little similar with you because I was, you know,
Speaker 5: like I'm a researcher, you know, so I was doing
Speaker 5: some research on you and I think, you know you're
Speaker 5: you were a Christian and it was uh an atheist.
Speaker 5: He like came to your college campus or something, and
Speaker 5: you know, and he started asking you some questions and
Speaker 5: you know, it just it planted a seed in you.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know that's definitely part of my story
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, And it's it is crazy how just
Speaker 1: single conversations in your life can really I mean, it's
Speaker 1: part of the reason why I'm an active today because
Speaker 1: I know the effects that I had on me, and
Speaker 1: I know that the single conversations that you have with
Speaker 1: people in your life can absolutely make a difference. And
Speaker 1: I love doing it. But but let's talk about you actually,
Speaker 1: So what so at this time this would have been
Speaker 1: the mid two thousands. So were you like were you
Speaker 1: just like kind of privately an atheist about this? Like
Speaker 1: did you did you leave your church? Were you part
Speaker 1: of a church group at this time? You know, what
Speaker 1: was that transition?
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I was, I was part of a church group,
Speaker 5: and you know, I did leave my church. And for me,
Speaker 5: it's I went through exactly a process that that a
Speaker 5: book that I read early on in my deconstruction process
Speaker 5: said that I was going to do it. I guess
Speaker 5: he kind of. He's a prophet. I guess he prophesied this.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, an atheist prophet.
Speaker 5: Hey, hey, an atheist prophet. His his name is Anthony Browder.
Speaker 5: And he has a book. Matter of fact, I have
Speaker 5: it somewhere around here, but it's a book called twenty
Speaker 5: two Essays on the African American Experience. And he said
Speaker 5: that when you're on this journey, you're gonna go through
Speaker 5: three emotions. He said, First, you're gonna become very angry.
Speaker 5: You know, you're gonna be very upset. I rate, because
Speaker 5: you're gonna as you're uncovering, you know, a lot of
Speaker 5: these lies that you have been taught throughout your life,
Speaker 5: you know, purposely sold by some but by others.
Speaker 4: They just passed down.
Speaker 5: Information that they were taught, you know, but you're gonna
Speaker 5: find out this stuff is not true, and so it's
Speaker 5: gonna make you very angry. And so he said that's
Speaker 5: gonna be your first emotion. Then your second emotion is
Speaker 5: you're gonna feel very lonely isolated, because now you're you're
Speaker 5: learning all this new information and so you're gonna want
Speaker 5: to you're gonna want to shove it down the ears
Speaker 5: of all your.
Speaker 1: Family and friends and even any strangers.
Speaker 4: That you meet.
Speaker 5: And because you know, still most people are you know,
Speaker 5: quote unquote caught in the matrix.
Speaker 4: For lack of a better term.
Speaker 5: You know, they're gonna they're gonna just deem you as
Speaker 5: a conspiracy theorist and you don't know what you're you
Speaker 5: don't know what you're talking about, and so that's gonna
Speaker 5: make you feel very isolated.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then he said, you're gonna you're gonna you're
Speaker 5: gonna reach your third emotion, where you know, like peace,
Speaker 5: You're gonna start to realize, you know, uh, you're gonna
Speaker 5: accept all of these new things that you're learning, and
Speaker 5: you're going to start to realize that, hey, every you know,
Speaker 5: everybody learns and accepts things at their own.
Speaker 4: Pace, at their own time.
Speaker 5: Some people it might not ever be the case for them,
Speaker 5: and that's okay. You know, So you're gonna learn how
Speaker 5: to decipher bits and pieces of information to those who
Speaker 5: are ready for it, and who wants to who wants
Speaker 5: to hear it and receive it.
Speaker 4: And that's where I am today.
Speaker 1: This this but this book, the twenty two Essays on
Speaker 1: the African American Experience and that what was that that
Speaker 1: talking about atheism?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so yeah, so that book, Yeah, it was so
Speaker 5: like that. The author's name, his name is Anthony brought
Speaker 5: her and he's still living out in the DC area.
Speaker 5: And what happened was in the like in the late
Speaker 5: eighties early nineties, the newspaper in that region hired him
Speaker 5: on to write different essays on different topics regarding the
Speaker 5: African American community, you know, every month, and so he
Speaker 5: had a lot of different topics just describing the experience
Speaker 5: that we are going through and what we've been put
Speaker 5: in and things of that nature. And so he had
Speaker 5: different so he compiled all of his essays, his monthly
Speaker 5: essays into one book.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so he had.
Speaker 5: Numerous different essays, like different they would be chapters, but
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of the chapters would be on
Speaker 5: different things. So but of course, you know, just a
Speaker 5: lot of the chapters just ran through the topic of
Speaker 5: religion and spirituality and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: Just not it got it, okay, because I was gonna
Speaker 1: say I relate to all of those things in my
Speaker 1: own deconstruction, and I'm pretty sure I'm not African American. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I was a little confused. I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: wait a waite, he's speaking to me right now, what's happening?
Speaker 1: I got I gotta figure something out. But anyway, no, So, wow,
Speaker 1: that's that's really incredible. So so yeah, I mean all
Speaker 1: of that makes sense. The isolation, the feeling like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're just like conspiracies or you're crazy, because you know,
Speaker 1: for myself, I was a part of an evangelical college group,
Speaker 1: and so you know, thinking the thoughts that I had
Speaker 1: and saying the things that I did were definitely not
Speaker 1: super welcome, right, And there definitely is an isolation experience
Speaker 1: and also like a feeling of wanting to tell everybody around.
Speaker 2: You, like, hey, all this shit's kind of a lie.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's a reason why the angry atheist
Speaker 1: phase is a thing that people say, right, because you're
Speaker 1: kind of you're really sort of militant about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are. So So that's
Speaker 1: how you were were you were you like, would you
Speaker 1: describe yourself as an activist at this time? Were you
Speaker 1: were you yeah.
Speaker 5: At that time, at that at that process of the journey. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: because I you know, I wasn't. I wasn't standing out
Speaker 5: on the corners like some Christians and Hebrew Israelites trying
Speaker 5: to get with the microphones, you know, screaming this stuff out.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: But every time anybody who would listen, you you tall them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would tell them and stuff. And I would like,
Speaker 5: especially when when social media apps started to come on
Speaker 5: the scene and emerge, I would get on them and
Speaker 5: start talking about this stuff on rooms and stuff and you.
Speaker 1: Know, okay I would. So before TikTok, you were doing
Speaker 1: some stuff. Oh yeah, So before TikTok, I was. I
Speaker 1: was doing some stuff on the clubhouse, which is at
Speaker 1: Love House.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, it's still going, you know, is it still going?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's still going.
Speaker 5: Wow, Okay, I still And I started to develop a
Speaker 5: large following on there and then and then TikTok came
Speaker 5: on the scene, and like it took me like a
Speaker 5: couple of years, and then I got on the TikTok
Speaker 5: and started trying it out, and then I just fell
Speaker 5: in love with it, and wow, you know, here I
Speaker 5: am today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So okay, so you've been doing this, but I I
Speaker 1: I thought you had started on TikTok, but I didn't
Speaker 1: realize you had some other social media stuff you were
Speaker 1: doing before.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I started with with this topic on clubhouse. And
Speaker 5: it's a few of my friends on TikTok who who you.
Speaker 4: Know, we interact with each other, and we met.
Speaker 1: My clubhouse, you know, that are frequent.
Speaker 5: My lives in our mods, and my lives a lot
Speaker 5: you know, uh, you know, shout out, shout out, drop top,
Speaker 5: you know. But you know, so Instagram and Facebook not
Speaker 5: so much. I just you know, Instagram it is a
Speaker 5: little funny things, and Facebook's family and friends and stuff.
Speaker 5: But yeah, and I started, you know, doing it here
Speaker 5: and there kind of like you know, kind of trying
Speaker 5: to slide in there. Like I was still like not
Speaker 5: ashamed of it, but you know, because we're we're seeing
Speaker 5: as you know, yeah, cringe, you know, quote unquote devil
Speaker 5: worshipers or whatever, like we don't believe in God would
Speaker 5: make it.
Speaker 1: And I imagine that it's not your full time thing either, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's how it is for a lot of us, right,
Speaker 1: So it's like, well you kind of you get to
Speaker 1: isolate that space for you.
Speaker 2: You look like you have something to say on that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when when when you made that comment, Yeah, it
Speaker 5: it ignited something in me, you know because oftentimes, because
Speaker 5: like you just said, I'm a mythicist and the mystasis
Speaker 5: position is the minority, right, and let's talk about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead please?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And because when you when you when when you
Speaker 5: I don't it just like uh, when when I ask
Speaker 5: for evidence for the existence of Jesus, you know, most
Speaker 5: people most people just immediately come and say, you know,
Speaker 5: they try to appeal to popularity, Well, the majority of scholars,
Speaker 5: well you know, the consensus. Well a A I often
Speaker 5: tell people, A, the majority of scholars you know this
Speaker 5: topic is there nine to five. It's their money maker. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's what you said that ignited. Yeah, it's their money maker.
Speaker 5: So they have to continuously leave everyone in a great
Speaker 5: area so they can continue to get, you know, booked
Speaker 5: for lectures, they can continue to be employed, people continue
Speaker 5: to buy their books and things of that nature, you know,
Speaker 5: and they can't they can't put out academia that conflicts
Speaker 5: with their employees or the majority view or whatever.
Speaker 4: Then they're gonna, you.
Speaker 5: Know, they're they're gonna stop being you know, contacted. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's it's not it's not my source of revenue. It's
Speaker 5: not my money maker. So I so I'm gonna come
Speaker 5: out there and put out the exact scholarship that most
Speaker 5: people are scared to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I you know, I don't go one
Speaker 1: way or the other on personally. I have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to speak with Richard kerry Or, who's probably one of
Speaker 1: the most well known people who's who's talked about I've
Speaker 1: read actually a few of his books. So I'm i'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'd say I'm more familiar than the average even
Speaker 1: atheist online that talks about the mythisist position, about the
Speaker 1: mythsist position. I think most of us in this camp
Speaker 1: who are activists, we tend to shy away from it.
Speaker 1: And the reason why we shy away from it is
Speaker 1: because it isn't it isn't something that we all agree on,
Speaker 1: and so we don't like talking about it because you know,
Speaker 1: some people may have some different takes on it, right,
Speaker 1: and if we don't have, if we're not in presenting
Speaker 1: our message in a unified way that can be seen
Speaker 1: as a weakness. Right, So a lot of us kind
Speaker 1: of fall on well, you know, whether Jesus or not exists.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's just, you know, we can
Speaker 1: still talk about how everything else in Christianity does it
Speaker 1: work or you know, doesn't make sense or isn't true. Right,
Speaker 1: so you can still sort of deconstruct or debunk Christian
Speaker 1: claims without having to go far as to say that
Speaker 1: Jesus was a myth. What do you think about positions
Speaker 1: like that where they're kind of taking I guess we'll
Speaker 1: call it a centrist more view on the Mephasis position.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And and that's a lot And you know, I
Speaker 5: love Rich Carrier's work. I'm familiar with a lot of
Speaker 5: his works and stuff. And he and he and I
Speaker 5: like we we we get to the we get to
Speaker 5: the same conclusion, the same finish line, but we take
Speaker 5: different routes. Yeah, you know, and and like a lot
Speaker 5: of you know, uh, well, I know Rich Carrier thinks
Speaker 5: that Jesus never existed. He's a mythhsist. But people like
Speaker 5: bar Ermann, I'm sorry, that's what I'm thinking of. Bar
Speaker 5: erman is not a mythsist, but he just he just
Speaker 5: rejects the supernatural claims and things of that.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like but and Carrier also Carrier Carrier like, I
Speaker 5: don't believe that Paul ever existed, and I think that
Speaker 5: all the Gospels and I think that all of the
Speaker 5: texts from the New Testament were mid second century and
Speaker 5: beyond creations not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was Art doesn't think yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I do, wow, as much as it's a
Speaker 5: lot of evidence for that being the case.
Speaker 1: Man, Okay, we may need to talk about that in
Speaker 1: between the calls that we do have a couple of callers,
Speaker 1: who do you want to talk to us? So I
Speaker 1: do want to talk to callers, but hey, in between,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about that because that's a
Speaker 1: new one to me. I I Paul being a myth.
Speaker 1: That's that's not common at all. So I'm very curious
Speaker 1: on on what the defense is on that. I would want.
Speaker 1: I want to hear what that is. But if it's
Speaker 1: okay with you, we do have some callers that want
Speaker 1: to talk to us, So you want to switch gears
Speaker 1: here and talk to some callers, absolutely, Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 4: Let's do it.
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Speaker 1: who called at the very end of talk Ethan has
Speaker 1: been waiting this whole time, so I'm going to get
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Speaker 2: We have Popo I believe is how you say your name?
Speaker 1: Please correct you if I'm wrong, calling in from Puerto Rico,
Speaker 1: who says that they have proof slash evidence that God exists.
Speaker 1: So Popo, you are live on truth, wanted love to
Speaker 1: hear it.
Speaker 4: Yes, how are you?
Speaker 7: I'm going to prove that God exceeds. The argument is
Speaker 7: universe exceeds, Therefore necessary or being ex said, that is God.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll be real with you, Papo.
Speaker 1: I I couldn't hear about half the words you said there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there was an audio issue or
Speaker 1: there is some slurring going on or what. But maybe
Speaker 1: if you can repeat that, maybe slow down just a hair,
Speaker 1: we might be able to catch what you're saying.
Speaker 7: Can you hear me?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 2: I can hear you, I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Okay, a contingent or dependent universe exist. Therefore unnecessary or
Speaker 7: non dependent independent being or reality exists, and that is God.
Speaker 4: That's the argument.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, why why does the first premise leading to
Speaker 1: the second premise?
Speaker 7: Because a dependent being, by definisue and structuality ontologically mean
Speaker 7: that it depends on something else, and that something else
Speaker 7: must exist for the dependent reality to exist.
Speaker 2: Okay, So who does God depend on to exist?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 7: Because God is unnecessary being.
Speaker 1: Oh, God's a necessary being. Okay, So what if the
Speaker 1: universe is a necessary thing?
Speaker 7: That's impossible because I just proved that it's dependent.
Speaker 1: Really, you've proved it. I don't remember him doing that.
Speaker 1: Do you remember he proved that the universe is now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Yeah, tell me how how do
Speaker 1: we prove that the universe is necessarily dependent?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 7: Do you accept or deny that dependent being succeeds in
Speaker 7: the users?
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. Dependent beings exist? I
Speaker 1: could you know? You can claim someone as you're dependent
Speaker 1: on your tax form. So I don't think that's what
Speaker 1: you mean, though.
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 7: Are you a dependent or a necessary being?
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm either. I don't know what those mean.
Speaker 7: Okay, are you dependent or are you God? Are you
Speaker 7: a condicient or are you God?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 1: Necessary to have to define your terms just a little
Speaker 1: bit more so, I just want to be clear with
Speaker 1: the pop up all the words that you're using this
Speaker 1: line of argument.
Speaker 2: This is not new to me.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not new to be either. We've heard
Speaker 1: variations of this before. The problem that I'm trying to
Speaker 1: elucidate here, and I want to be easy to chime
Speaker 1: in as wells is not just me talking. But look,
Speaker 1: I think it's been that you can throw these words out,
Speaker 1: say the universe is this and we're that all day,
Speaker 1: But until you actually demonstrate that's the case, it really
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And look, here's the thing. I think if
Speaker 1: a god does exist, it has to be better than
Speaker 1: just well, if we philosophically consider the universe, then God
Speaker 1: has to exist, right, I don't know. To me, it
Speaker 1: seems like we could do something stronger. But that's just
Speaker 1: my take. What do you think?
Speaker 2: Be easy?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well I usually go two ways with with that. When
Speaker 5: when when people bring that up, because yeah, like like Dan,
Speaker 5: she said, I'm not God, We're not We're not God's
Speaker 5: you know, and so yeah, we we are dependent, we're contingent.
Speaker 5: You know, our parents had six and you know, nine
Speaker 5: months later that we're h.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, be easy here Dan, here, you.
Speaker 5: Know, so yeah, we you know, So like I go
Speaker 5: two ways when people say that, like A and Dan
Speaker 5: just said that, you know, you haven't provided evidence that
Speaker 5: the universe is contingent, is created, you know, we need
Speaker 5: you know, what makes you say that the universe was created?
Speaker 4: It's contingent, you know?
Speaker 5: And then and then b you know you you myself, Dan,
Speaker 5: No one is able to describe exactly all of the
Speaker 5: mechanims mechanisms of the universe how it operates, So we
Speaker 5: don't how would how would you know that it's contingent
Speaker 5: if you can't even describe everything that happens within it.
Speaker 7: Ye, okay, so you agree that you are dependent? You
Speaker 7: said it?
Speaker 1: Is that all you took away from that?
Speaker 2: Papo?
Speaker 7: He said, he agreed with me.
Speaker 1: I know he actually I think his opinion was. I
Speaker 1: think his take was a lot more nuanced than you're
Speaker 1: giving you credit. And I'm not sure you were listening.
Speaker 1: Could you maybe give us of what he said so
Speaker 1: I know that you're listening.
Speaker 7: He said that he agreed that we are depend than
Speaker 7: in cons Did you say again.
Speaker 1: I think that that's the point you want to make.
Speaker 1: But what I'm asking you is cause you think you
Speaker 1: could summarize what he said so that I know that
Speaker 1: you're listening.
Speaker 4: But that's important.
Speaker 7: Part he said that. I want to make sure that
Speaker 7: he said that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But Papa, how do I know that you're actually
Speaker 1: listening right now? Because if you're not listening, why do
Speaker 1: I have a conversation with somebody that's not listening.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm listening, but I'm asking that in order to
Speaker 7: know that you know that I'm listening by asking that,
Speaker 7: if you if.
Speaker 1: You were listening, you wouldn't have to ask, right, you
Speaker 1: would know if you were listening.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying exactly. Let's take this one step at
Speaker 2: a time.
Speaker 1: I think if you listen to what you're saying, he
Speaker 1: was saying, Hey, we may know some things in the
Speaker 1: universe works some ways, but we don't know how everything
Speaker 1: in the universe works, right, So how do we know
Speaker 1: about that? And and just because some parts in the
Speaker 1: universe work the way that we think that they do,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean the universe itself works that way, right.
Speaker 1: The universe itself is a completely different things than the
Speaker 1: things that make up the individual parts of the universe.
Speaker 1: So how do we know that the universe is dependent?
Speaker 1: How do we know that the universe is contingent? Papo okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I tell you. I'll tell you.
Speaker 7: I don't need the universe. I just seed one dependent being.
Speaker 2: That's it. No, you don't. That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 7: Yes, I do. How many dependent beings do I need
Speaker 7: to prove?
Speaker 8: Need?
Speaker 7: Dependent being or necessary being?
Speaker 1: I don't know how many dependent beings do you need
Speaker 1: to change the light bulb?
Speaker 2: What are we talking about here?
Speaker 1: What do you mean the universe could be made by
Speaker 1: multiple gods? Right?
Speaker 2: How do we know it's not multiple gods.
Speaker 7: Oh, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I just
Speaker 7: seed one dependent being.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see the problem. You have to we
Speaker 1: have to be convinced or we have to make sense.
Speaker 1: Otherwise you're not really convincing as of anything.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: We're confused here.
Speaker 7: Okay, do you agree that I just need one dependent
Speaker 7: being to prove God?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 4: Why why not? Why not?
Speaker 1: Why why would you need one depend Why does one
Speaker 1: dependent being? Again, we still haven't fully defined what that means?
Speaker 1: But why why does Why does that follow? You haven't
Speaker 1: demonstrated that at all?
Speaker 7: Okay, because only one dependent being is necessary because if
Speaker 7: it exists, it already needs a dependent I mean dependent
Speaker 7: being by definities of structurally.
Speaker 1: You ever heard of a circular argument?
Speaker 2: You know what that is?
Speaker 4: What's that?
Speaker 1: You ever heard a circular argument?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 8: I have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what that is? What you just said.
Speaker 2: I think you just tried to say.
Speaker 1: I I know the wall is blue because the color
Speaker 1: of blue is what makes up the wall. You know,
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm what I'm hearing here.
Speaker 7: No, that's not what I'm saying. And you still mind
Speaker 7: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: No, I can't honestly because I I Yeah.
Speaker 7: You cannot steal what I'm saying. Okay, Now we cannot
Speaker 7: come up with this conversation because you don't know what
Speaker 7: I'm saying, and you're answering something that I'm not saying.
Speaker 5: I think the only the only part that I understood
Speaker 5: that that you said, because you keep saying it is
Speaker 5: because it is that we we need one dependent being.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said we need one dependent being to prove
Speaker 1: God exist.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what you mean.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Okay, that means that I don't need to prove
Speaker 7: the universe is dependent. I just need one dependent being.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: Why Why is that the case? I don't understand that.
Speaker 7: Because one dependent being is only needs by definitions.
Speaker 1: That's that's the circular part of it, right, Like we
Speaker 1: have to know why the definition?
Speaker 2: Why that that's true?
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 2: That's not how definitions work. By the way.
Speaker 1: You don't get to say, well, it's that's what this
Speaker 1: is and that's what makes you true.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 7: Because I don't need the whole universe of dependence beings
Speaker 7: to prove God. I just need the ones.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Papa, let me ask you this. Then let's
Speaker 1: change course here because I have other callers that I
Speaker 1: think would have more interesting conversations of what we're having now.
Speaker 1: Is this is this that argument?
Speaker 6: That?
Speaker 1: Is this the argument that you rely on to believe
Speaker 1: in God? Is this, like this argument being true that's
Speaker 1: what convinces you of God? Or or do you have
Speaker 1: other arguments that that are more convincing to you?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: This is the ones?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Well tell you that there's people that have
Speaker 1: talked about this that are much smarter than I am
Speaker 1: and talk about it much more interesting ways, you know.
Speaker 4: But ye, can I ask Can I ask him a question?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 5: I'm a well, I don't want to assume. So the
Speaker 5: the god that you're referring to, is it the God
Speaker 5: of the Bible? Yes, sir, okay. So so let's say, so,
Speaker 5: what makes you think that the God of the Bible
Speaker 5: is the true God that created the universe. Let's say,
Speaker 5: you know, hypothetically speaking, what what makes you sure that
Speaker 5: it's the God of the Bible that created the universe?
Speaker 5: And I don't know, uh it not maybe not? Maybe Brahma?
Speaker 5: What makes you think it was my way and not Brahma.
Speaker 5: Who really, who's the true God?
Speaker 7: Okay, because it created the dependent universe by the definition,
Speaker 7: by what the arguments proved.
Speaker 5: But in the in the okay, in the in the
Speaker 5: Babla Ghita, Brahma did that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: If the Bible it says it was God who created
Speaker 7: the universe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, actually hear what the Bible says, Like, what
Speaker 1: makes you think the Bible is true?
Speaker 7: Because I just proved it is according.
Speaker 1: To my arguments. Yeah, yeah, circular Go to Wikipedia look
Speaker 1: up circular arguments, because I think that's what we're experiencing here, Papo.
Speaker 1: I would I would try. I seriously, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've actually talked about this with your friends and family.
Speaker 1: Maybe you have, But try this with other people that
Speaker 1: aren't on a callin show and see if this makes
Speaker 1: sense to them. See if you can convince other people
Speaker 1: that aren't already Christians. Right, if this makes sense. I
Speaker 1: don't think what I'm hearing here makes sense. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: We do have some other callers that want to talk
Speaker 1: to us here, so we do have to wrap things.
Speaker 1: I'll give you one last chance, or was there anything
Speaker 1: else that you want to say before we let you go?
Speaker 7: Okay, tell me which part doesn't make sense to you.
Speaker 1: Well, all of it, but specifically you're talking about dependants
Speaker 1: and you're saying you just need one dependent to prove
Speaker 1: that God exists. I don't know how you get there,
Speaker 1: and I don't understand that. So if you want to
Speaker 1: work on your argument, I would start with that and
Speaker 1: see what see what you can do. No, we don't
Speaker 1: have time anymore. You had an opportunity, but you know
Speaker 1: we we we ran out of time.
Speaker 2: So next time. Sound good?
Speaker 7: Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Popo, have good rest of your
Speaker 1: July fifth.
Speaker 4: That was rough.
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Speaker 1: that one. Honestly, I don't know if we need to elaborate. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: a we have a Georgie, and we have a George,
Speaker 1: which is really interesting. We have Georgie from Bulgaria who's
Speaker 1: calling him first. I want to talk to them right now,
Speaker 1: real quick. Georgie, you are alive on truth. Thanks for
Speaker 1: calling in.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 2: How are you doing good?
Speaker 1: Is it right? Is Georgie right?
Speaker 2: Please correct me if I'm not saying your name right.
Speaker 4: It's Georgy in Bulgarian.
Speaker 2: But thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for correcting me. Girkie, appreciate it. Thanks for
Speaker 1: calling to the show. What do you want to talk
Speaker 1: to us about?
Speaker 4: Well, I want to share.
Speaker 9: I've seen a light in the sky on three occasions.
Speaker 9: It's okay. It was the white white lights. It didn't
Speaker 9: twinkle like stars.
Speaker 1: Okay. I saw some lights last night. It was fourth
Speaker 1: of July. There was a lot of fireworks. I saw
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, a lot as well. It is the
Speaker 1: reason why you believe that God exists because you saw
Speaker 1: like these lights or what?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 9: I typed in the summary that I believe we are
Speaker 9: non physical eternal beings.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and the lights somehow contribute to this idea.
Speaker 9: Yeah, they were doing weird stuff on true occasions.
Speaker 2: What so you saw weird lights.
Speaker 1: How does that correlate to the idea of us being
Speaker 1: non physical beings?
Speaker 9: Well, I do believe we're surrounded by it and aliens
Speaker 9: that are here to help.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so it's not really it's not necessarily a
Speaker 1: god thing. You're you're you're talking. Okay, So you think
Speaker 1: that we're like around spiritual sort of non physical beings.
Speaker 9: Yeah, stuff like New age ideas.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I appreciate you going it woo woo.
Speaker 1: I guess you know because I think I would too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me I'm confusing. Okay, So you believe
Speaker 1: it's non physical beings, but like, surely it's not because
Speaker 1: you saw three weird lights one time, right, Like, I'm
Speaker 1: assuming there's some other reason why you believe that.
Speaker 9: Uh So, I have some sources that talk about this stuff.
Speaker 9: They make books in videos on YouTube.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's cool, But I want to know
Speaker 1: about you, like your reasons, Like you think that this
Speaker 1: idea that you're talking about, right, we're non physical beings.
Speaker 1: That's interesting on its own, right, Like I want to
Speaker 1: know if we're non physical beings or not. Why should
Speaker 1: I believe? Why should me? And be easy believe that
Speaker 1: we're non physical beings, or maybe you don't believe that,
Speaker 1: maybe you believe there's.
Speaker 2: Other non physical beings. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Can you elaborate just for us on that?
Speaker 9: Well, I think science proves more likely that we're in
Speaker 9: a simulation some something like that.
Speaker 2: We ta, So.
Speaker 1: I asked you to talk about why you believe a claim,
Speaker 1: and then you made another claim about something else.
Speaker 4: So I didn't he very well, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: That's okay. What'll let me be real clear.
Speaker 1: Okay, you said that we're non physical beings. All I
Speaker 1: want to know is why? Why?
Speaker 2: Why should I believe that we're non physical beings?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 9: A strong point is quantum tunneling.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so so what a please?
Speaker 1: I need more than just a few words, man, I
Speaker 1: need some elaboration here.
Speaker 2: What do you mean? What about quantum tunneling?
Speaker 4: You've read about it?
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 2: Have you read about quantum tunneling before? Pay?
Speaker 4: Not very much?
Speaker 1: Oh, Georgie? Did you did you just say you haven't
Speaker 1: read about quantum tunneling?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Well, then why are you bringing it up?
Speaker 4: How does he? Yeah? I've seen videos on YouTube? Okay,
Speaker 4: we have YouTube university here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So have your parents, Has anyone in your life
Speaker 1: ever told you shouldn't believe everything you see on the internet? Yes,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I think this is one of those cases, right, Like,
Speaker 1: how do we child there's a good case study? How
Speaker 1: do we know that the things we see on the
Speaker 1: internet are true or not right? What can we do
Speaker 1: to figure out what's true and what's not true?
Speaker 4: We have to have a method to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree. So let's talk about non
Speaker 1: physical beings. How do we evaluate this idea that people
Speaker 1: are non physical beings? What do we need to do
Speaker 1: to prove or debunk that?
Speaker 9: Well, I would say that people in the past have
Speaker 9: been talking about like the bag of a Gita gap
Speaker 9: they had a punch, and I do think that they
Speaker 9: have been visited by extraterrestials in the past.
Speaker 1: Okay, but what about us right now? How do we
Speaker 1: figure out in today's world whether these things are true
Speaker 1: or not?
Speaker 9: Well, first off, all we have access to is awareness.
Speaker 9: We don't have any access to a reality like you.
Speaker 2: Know, Okay, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's I you know I from what I sounding,
Speaker 1: and I might be wrong, but I'm assuming English is
Speaker 1: not your first language. So there might be a bit
Speaker 1: of a uh a translation thing that's going on here,
Speaker 1: because we're kind of losing we're losing a sense of.
Speaker 2: Direction on our conversation here.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to cut this one short because
Speaker 1: I think that this is an interesting topic, but I
Speaker 1: really want to go somewhere instead of just running in
Speaker 1: circles here. So I mean, I don't know, George, what
Speaker 1: do you want to talk about right now with us
Speaker 1: today that that we can actually talk about?
Speaker 9: Well, I would like to say that we're in a
Speaker 9: physical reality only for fun, only for adventure, for adventure.
Speaker 2: For adventure.
Speaker 1: Why why to say that?
Speaker 9: I say that, because like, we have a reality like
Speaker 9: this and we deal with it, and incarnating in physical
Speaker 9: reality is one way to deal with eternity.
Speaker 2: I got dot that.
Speaker 1: I gotta be easy. You got anything for that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got nothing.
Speaker 5: I'm just as lost as I was with the other guy,
Speaker 5: the last caller as well.
Speaker 1: All right, well, Georgie, listen, I think your topics are interesting.
Speaker 1: What I would what I would ask is that you
Speaker 1: sort of just figure out how you want to evaluate
Speaker 1: these ideas with us a bit more right. What we're
Speaker 1: interested in, what this show is about is we want
Speaker 1: to know what people believe and why. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you go right now. But next time, that's just
Speaker 1: got to say. I don't want you to call again.
Speaker 1: I do want you to call again, but I want
Speaker 1: you to think about the why, right. I want to
Speaker 1: get into the why with you next time. That way
Speaker 1: we can really talk about stuff, Okay, But for now,
Speaker 1: I am going to let you go. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for calling in, and I hope you do get
Speaker 1: to call in again because Bulgaria. You know, that's probably
Speaker 1: it's probably a pretty crazy time for you right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know what time of the day it is,
Speaker 1: but you know, something something, something that's off of that conversation.
Speaker 2: I don't know, weird vibes going on with that. That's
Speaker 2: two in a row with weird vibes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is like I think you hit
Speaker 5: the nail on the head, like you asked him him
Speaker 5: in the previous caller as well.
Speaker 4: He was from Puerto Rico, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So, I think yet with English not being their native language,
Speaker 5: so they're having trouble communicating what they're really trying to say.
Speaker 2: I'm speculating that that's probably a factor.
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm not trying to denigrate anybody or you know,
Speaker 1: I just trying to have a conversation. We're having a
Speaker 1: little bit of problems with that today, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: We got out of the college, so let's move on.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna talk to George. Okay, George is going
Speaker 1: in from Florida. Wants to talk to us about why
Speaker 1: we as hosts don't believe George are alive on truth
Speaker 1: wanted thanks for waiting, and what's going on.
Speaker 6: They're having a lot of trouble.
Speaker 10: They don't know how to communicate it at all, do they.
Speaker 1: I tried my best, you know, I try my best.
Speaker 1: You did a great job. Thank you, Thank you. All right,
Speaker 1: talk to don't give us any trouble today now, George. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's ask.
Speaker 7: Some good You know, you said he didn't be English.
Speaker 6: You, oh, well, he didn't understand English. That well, you
Speaker 6: gave him a large handicap in that area. He spoke English.
Speaker 6: See exactly what you were saying. He said things that
Speaker 6: didn't make sense.
Speaker 4: Let's be seriously.
Speaker 1: I can only I have to get the benefit of
Speaker 1: doubt to every one of my callers, because I don't
Speaker 1: know them.
Speaker 2: All I know is a voice on the other end.
Speaker 1: Right. So but anyway, George, let's talk about you. What
Speaker 1: do you want to talk to us about today?
Speaker 10: Well, I can tell you this just a start off
Speaker 10: to that.
Speaker 6: I mean, you don't know anything about your college. I
Speaker 6: started to be a priest. I have my EPA license
Speaker 6: in H G, E.
Speaker 1: C R.
Speaker 6: I'm a very intelligent person, bro, you can you can
Speaker 6: feel free to respect me.
Speaker 10: And my intelligence.
Speaker 6: You don't have to think that.
Speaker 1: Didn't George eating the language? Okay, So the cool thing
Speaker 1: about a Collin show is that you don't need a degree.
Speaker 1: You don't need a certificate. You would need anything to
Speaker 1: call in here, right, So I appreciate the fact that
Speaker 1: you have some studies.
Speaker 2: That's great. Doesn't matter to me. Man, you could be.
Speaker 1: Working at the gas station down the street, or you
Speaker 1: could be working at Harvard.
Speaker 2: I'll probably still talk to you on this show.
Speaker 1: That's the beauty of it. So, you know, just tell me,
Speaker 1: tell me what you want to talk about. Let's go
Speaker 1: down there.
Speaker 6: They very well may know.
Speaker 4: How to communicate better.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 6: And I put that, I mean, do you just like.
Speaker 7: I just want to ask you this.
Speaker 6: Right after bat because I'm not really I'm not really
Speaker 6: in tune with you yet. You know, I just didn't
Speaker 6: listen to that. I don't know what that was, but yeah, sure,
Speaker 6: do you do you dislike people that believe in God? Like,
Speaker 6: do you like look down on them like they're stupid?
Speaker 6: I'm curious, like.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 4: No, thank you.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, because I don't do the same
Speaker 6: thing to people that don't believe in God. This dude
Speaker 6: is worrying about quantum tunneling. I don't even know what
Speaker 6: the hell he's talking about.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's talking about either, But you know, George,
Speaker 1: be easy. You might have missed the first half of
Speaker 1: the show, but be easy. He was talking about his
Speaker 1: experience and he used to be a Christian and I
Speaker 1: also used to be a Christian. So anybody, lots of people,
Speaker 1: both dom and smart, believe in God. There's no there's
Speaker 1: no like well not being a Christian? Brother, what made
Speaker 1: me stop being a Christian?
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I have a few things that have made
Speaker 6: me stop being a Christian.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to hear you. So you're also you're
Speaker 1: also not a Christian?
Speaker 6: Then no, I don't consider myself a Christian anymore because
Speaker 6: they won't baptize animals.
Speaker 2: That's the reason why.
Speaker 6: I mean, we can only start there. I mean, I
Speaker 6: have Buddhist principles and stuff like that. I mean, I
Speaker 6: think that the fact that you won't baptize an animal
Speaker 6: is saying, well, all my animals are going to help.
Speaker 1: I'll be honestly, that's not the first thing I think
Speaker 1: of as the why I'm not a Christian.
Speaker 6: That is one of the first things I thought of
Speaker 6: as of late.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Well, to answer your question, I'm not a
Speaker 1: Christian for a number of reasons. But you know, Christianity
Speaker 1: makes and I want to I'll give my case and
Speaker 1: I want to be easy to make his case afterwards.
Speaker 2: So I'm not talking this whole time. Okay. So, so
Speaker 2: the reason why I'm not a Christian is because when you.
Speaker 1: Talk about the Christianity makes different claims across it's a
Speaker 1: big religion, a lot of hats. Okay, so it makes
Speaker 1: I can't address every single Christian claim, but I would
Speaker 1: say the majority of Christian claims throughout the history of
Speaker 1: Christianity have either turned out to be unfalsifiable or simply
Speaker 1: just flat out false, right, just not true.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: So one of them, for example, is the existence of
Speaker 1: a God. I have yet to figure out whether a
Speaker 1: God exists or not. I don't think there's good evidence
Speaker 1: that God is. Let me finish real quick, George, please,
Speaker 1: let's stop with the crossbalk.
Speaker 2: I gotta get my point out and then I'll let
Speaker 2: you talk a problem. Okay, So that's one of them.
Speaker 1: I don't think God exists Jesus being God, you know,
Speaker 1: I I am ambivalent on whether Jesus exists or not.
Speaker 1: But even if he did, I think at best he
Speaker 1: was a cult leader, I really do. I don't think
Speaker 1: he was much more than that. I think he convinced
Speaker 1: a bunch of people he was God and that was it. So,
Speaker 1: you know, that's pretty central to Christianity. That kind of
Speaker 1: disqualifies me from being a Christian in any meaningful sense
Speaker 1: of the word. And that that's why I'm not a Christian.
Speaker 4: Be easy.
Speaker 2: Why why would you say you're not a Christian in
Speaker 2: a few words?
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm glad you take that.
Speaker 5: A few words on, I gave a qualifier, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: you gotta, yeah, you gotta you know, yeah, just just
Speaker 5: just in a few words and a lot of it
Speaker 5: relates to.
Speaker 1: You, George, George, you gotta George, you gotta let us talk.
Speaker 2: Man, We'll get to you. Please just chill out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: So I'm pretty much, to make a long story shot out,
Speaker 5: I'm not a Christian mainly, like the the the central
Speaker 5: character in the Bible, God is the most what human
Speaker 5: would consider evil entity character in the entire book.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: So when Christians say that, you know, like from all Christians.
Speaker 4: I hear that God is all good and.
Speaker 5: You know God, you know, he's loving, well, a loving God,
Speaker 5: and an all good God wouldn't allow.
Speaker 4: Babies to get essayed.
Speaker 5: The loving and all good God wouldn't allow innocent people
Speaker 5: uh to to be harmed and unalived from natural disasters
Speaker 5: and things of that nature. People get tortured and slave God. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and so on and so on, you know. And so,
Speaker 5: like I said at the beginning of the show, there's
Speaker 5: no existence. There's no evidence for the existence of a God,
Speaker 5: not even just the Christian God, all of the other gods.
Speaker 5: And so if it doesn't have evidence to validate his existence,
Speaker 5: to me, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 4: What are the other gods?
Speaker 5: Well, there's there's there's time I checked, there was over
Speaker 5: like forty five hundred different.
Speaker 4: In the world. Oh the vikings.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have Odin and Thor, and those two gods
Speaker 5: are older than.
Speaker 4: The Christian God.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so who those all kinds of God believes?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of gods you have margins, Yeah, Brahma,
Speaker 5: this new right?
Speaker 4: You know, I could go on and on it.
Speaker 1: Well, he's pointing that out because you know, we often
Speaker 1: talk about the existence of God within Christianity, but really
Speaker 1: that's not a fair debate because that's only one kind
Speaker 1: of God claim.
Speaker 2: There's a different kinds of God claims.
Speaker 1: So be easy. It's just pointing out he doesn't find
Speaker 1: any God claim convincing Christianity. You're not right. Why do
Speaker 1: you not believe in God?
Speaker 6: I'm just curious, man, we literally just did this.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's are I mean going on?
Speaker 1: Come on, what did we just spend the last five
Speaker 1: minutes doing?
Speaker 2: George?
Speaker 4: We can't blame the lame burier this time.
Speaker 6: I'm listening to you.
Speaker 2: There, we just said why we don't believe in God?
Speaker 1: Why don't you? I mean listen, why don't you believe
Speaker 1: in God?
Speaker 6: Is the same conversation why I do believe in God.
Speaker 6: It's the same long conversation. We could go on about
Speaker 6: all the typicalts and everything like that, Like we have
Speaker 6: her opinions, don't. We have to respect each other though, right,
Speaker 6: Like we respect each other.
Speaker 1: To a point, to a point, you know, but we're.
Speaker 7: Like, I know, I know, you push my button.
Speaker 6: It's like it's like, oh, like this guy is sitting there,
Speaker 6: you know, this last guy he didn't really know how.
Speaker 1: To ru We need to stop talking about the last
Speaker 1: caller and let's talk about you for a second month.
Speaker 1: Rand Like we're trying to tell you why we don't
Speaker 1: believe in God. And I'm not even sure if you care,
Speaker 1: because I'm not sure if you're listening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm like.
Speaker 6: I do, I do, I don't care.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 2: You're right, He's absolutely right.
Speaker 7: I do not care, because well, if.
Speaker 2: You don't care, why ask why would you?
Speaker 1: Why would you spend your precious time on this earth
Speaker 1: calling us up and asking us?
Speaker 6: Because there's nothing that I love more in this world
Speaker 6: than to cast the people that have opposite opinions from me.
Speaker 2: Okay, like it is, it's magnificence, that's great.
Speaker 1: In order to do that effectively, I would argue, George
Speaker 1: that you need to listen to what they're saying, and
Speaker 1: you do genuinely need to care.
Speaker 2: Right because one, if you don't, it's just rude.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So I don't want to talk to somebody that doesn't know, well, you.
Speaker 6: Don't care what these people are saying, Like George, first
Speaker 6: of all.
Speaker 1: You don't know me. First of all, George, I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna mute you because you have some issues here.
Speaker 1: George, you do not know me.
Speaker 2: One and two, I absolutely.
Speaker 1: Care about the people that call in and talk to
Speaker 1: me on this show. I've been doing this for a
Speaker 1: long time. I know this is your first time doing this,
Speaker 1: but I do. I genuinely do. If I didn't have
Speaker 1: an interest in it, I wouldn't be wasting my time
Speaker 1: doing this. Man.
Speaker 2: I enjoy it.
Speaker 1: So instead of throwing out judgments on people but whether
Speaker 1: or not what they're doing, let's just let's just focus
Speaker 1: on the here and now. Okay, anyway, was there anything
Speaker 1: you want to add to that, Beasy before I hit
Speaker 1: unmute here?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And like I just wanted to give him another
Speaker 5: small reason as to why I don't believe in God.
Speaker 5: And specifically the God that George believes in, the Christian God.
Speaker 1: You know, well, he said he doesn't believe in Christianity,
Speaker 1: but he might believe in God.
Speaker 2: He was a little confusing on that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Okay, well that's well then, yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree though it's confusing. It's not entirely clear.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm gonna hit on mute. Let's see what
Speaker 1: George has to say. Okay, Georgia unmuted, now there, go ahead.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure why you did that, but but you know,
Speaker 6: I I really understand your first ration because I was
Speaker 6: listening to the last chorer like you, you were allowing
Speaker 6: to the fact that we were even though you thought
Speaker 6: there was a language barrier, there wasn't a language Like
Speaker 6: he was absolutely saying what he was saying. He may
Speaker 6: not have been like, you know, very specific and you
Speaker 6: know the way you want it, but I mean like
Speaker 6: he was saying what he was saying, and you heard him,
Speaker 6: and I respect you for that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Because he was trying to say like the world is
Speaker 6: no proof, and it's like, yeah, there's absolutely no proof.
Speaker 6: That's what everything teaches and the Christian religion.
Speaker 4: Is it.
Speaker 6: You just have to have faith, you have to just believe,
Speaker 6: you have to just but have like all of you, like,
Speaker 6: have you not always had some kind of thing going
Speaker 6: on where you felt some kind of guidance or whatever.
Speaker 6: And whether that's yourself or whether it's God, I mean,
Speaker 6: that's that's really up to interpretation.
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll be quick with my answer and be easy.
Speaker 1: Walls to be quick, so because we gotta we got
Speaker 1: to wrap up this conversation pretty soon.
Speaker 2: We've got other don't want to talk to us. But yes,
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: I did have a sense of self that I thought
Speaker 1: was God talking to me. Turns out it's just me, baby,
Speaker 1: it's all me, it's my conscience, it's it's you, it's you.
Speaker 1: Know that. I don't need to describe that to a
Speaker 1: supernatural force. And I'm assuming be easy probably would say
Speaker 1: something similar to that. Right, if you agree, there's nothing
Speaker 1: I agree the same thing.
Speaker 4: I think it is you.
Speaker 1: It is absolutely you and versus to bring Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so there you go, And where are we?
Speaker 2: You know, what do we disagree on?
Speaker 6: There's nothing to disagree on, absolutely, like even like not
Speaker 6: many people have read like I told you, I started
Speaker 6: to be a priest, and even in the Bible it
Speaker 6: says that you don't. You're not supposed to believe in heaven.
Speaker 1: You're suole to think about it God and all this.
Speaker 1: You live your.
Speaker 6: Life as a good person, as a person that you are.
Speaker 4: You don't you don't need all.
Speaker 1: That you do. I don't think you studied hard enough
Speaker 1: to be a priest. I'm sorry, because the Bible definitely
Speaker 1: does not say.
Speaker 6: It absolutely tells you that you do not need anyone
Speaker 6: to tell you what you believe.
Speaker 4: You believe it or you don't, and.
Speaker 9: It's on you, like would you do?
Speaker 6: Do you think that you're a good person that.
Speaker 2: All things considered? I think I do? Okay, you do?
Speaker 4: Okay exactly?
Speaker 6: You know what I mean? Like, that is.
Speaker 1: Not what Jesus said, though that's totally clear that that's
Speaker 1: my belief.
Speaker 2: That is not what the Bible says.
Speaker 1: The Bible says Jesus is the way, the truth and
Speaker 1: the life, and it is his way or the highway.
Speaker 1: Man like that is you know, there's no compromises there.
Speaker 7: Have you tried a bevort?
Speaker 6: Have you tried not? I'm not gonna I'm not going
Speaker 6: to use Dirney words or but you know, have you
Speaker 6: ever tried like not, you know, conicated?
Speaker 1: I don't know what word I want to use to
Speaker 1: say sex. You can say sex, you can say I
Speaker 1: have sex.
Speaker 2: I'm the wrong.
Speaker 6: Okay, so tex is wrong in the Bible right unless
Speaker 6: you're trying to have a kid. But have you ever
Speaker 6: tried doing that for a while?
Speaker 8: Like pretty awful.
Speaker 6: Or not?
Speaker 1: I don't know where thatsation is going. I'm sorry we
Speaker 1: got to wrap things up because I got other callers
Speaker 1: that want to talk to us, and I feel we're
Speaker 1: not getting anywhere. Was there anything else you want to
Speaker 1: say before we let you go?
Speaker 6: I think that the reason that you may be like
Speaker 6: not believing in God, which is I've had a lot
Speaker 6: of times like that. I think maybe the reason is
Speaker 6: that you know, you might be angry about certain things,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, I think the reason you think that is because
Speaker 1: you're judgmental of people.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that, you see.
Speaker 2: To show it continued to happen.
Speaker 1: I'm not judging people, man, because you don't know me.
Speaker 1: You don't know anything about me. You called it, you
Speaker 1: called into my stream just to tell me that I'm
Speaker 1: just angry.
Speaker 2: Why because that's your personal opinion?
Speaker 1: Also judging my other callers describing their motivations of what
Speaker 1: they're doing. Know, I'm gonna say fuck you to that
Speaker 1: actually and goodbye because I don't need that energy in
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 2: What the hell is going on today?
Speaker 4: Be George had won too many?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 1: Like? Did you due to my colors?
Speaker 4: Was he trying to ask us? Have we ever tried
Speaker 4: having six?
Speaker 1: Or something like?
Speaker 4: Oh man?
Speaker 1: What was going on?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 1: What is happening? Why can't I have a normal calling show? Bro?
Speaker 2: This is really bad? I don't know what George was
Speaker 2: on about.
Speaker 1: First of all, he spent half the time talking about
Speaker 1: people that weren't him, okay, and uh, describing motivations which
Speaker 1: I don't like. And that's his takeaway is, well, I
Speaker 1: just think you're angry. Yeah, now I'm angry letting.
Speaker 4: Me off, dude, Why would you think we're angry? The
Speaker 4: whole show, We've just been smiling and laughed.
Speaker 1: Man, Like we explained why we don't believe in God.
Speaker 1: None of that it was emotions.
Speaker 5: At all, right, Literally right after both of us explained literally,
Speaker 5: well why don't you believe.
Speaker 2: In Oh my god?
Speaker 1: This show is crazy. All right, we need to move on.
Speaker 1: Let's get Let's please callers, step callers. I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: you today, step your game up, Please step your game up.
Speaker 1: Come on, this is not We can't be doing this anyway.
Speaker 1: All right, we have some more I think, Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk to some more people. I want to talk
Speaker 1: to Mary or Marie. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm calling in from Texas, Mary slash Marie. He wants
Speaker 1: to talk to us about the Shroud of Turin. You're
Speaker 1: live on truth Wanted.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 8: Hi, I'm calling about the Shroud of Turan and your
Speaker 8: take on it. Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's really easy for me. I think it's
Speaker 2: a forgery.
Speaker 1: I think that they have, you know, the few times
Speaker 1: that it has been admitted for you know, scientific testing,
Speaker 1: had they you know, they did at least one study
Speaker 1: right where they actually submitted a portion to like three
Speaker 1: different institutes. Right, the kind of test the dating on that,
Speaker 1: and the dating goes back to like the medieval times, right,
Speaker 1: it doesn't go back all the way. So it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to me that we have enough evidence to believe
Speaker 1: that it's anything holy at all. Much less the you know,
Speaker 1: face of Jesus on there. So yeah, that's my take.
Speaker 8: What what what about how they can't replicate it in
Speaker 8: today's modern technology?
Speaker 1: So that is interesting, right, and and you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: So so so we don't know the means of which
Speaker 1: it was created, and I think that that's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Well, at least we don't. We don't have a definitive idea, right,
Speaker 2: it's it is debated.
Speaker 1: So I'll give you that that that is very mysterious,
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's that.
Speaker 2: Means it's divine, right.
Speaker 1: I think just because we don't know something, we don't
Speaker 1: fill in that evidence. We don't we don't fill in
Speaker 1: that gap with God. We call that the God of
Speaker 1: the gaps fallacy, right, Anything that we don't can't explain
Speaker 1: we attribute to God.
Speaker 2: That's not really how I operate. I think I think
Speaker 2: we can just say we don't know and leave it
Speaker 2: at that.
Speaker 8: But you know that piece of the cloth from the Medieagle,
Speaker 8: it's when they had the fire.
Speaker 2: The fire, that's what they say.
Speaker 1: Yes, that that is what's claimed, but we don't know
Speaker 1: that for sure either, right, And and if that's the case,
Speaker 1: I wish we could do some more testing, but you know,
Speaker 1: I don't get to control who gets the test on
Speaker 1: the shroud of turd or not.
Speaker 8: Right, I understand your stance of being. I want to
Speaker 8: understand it more.
Speaker 5: Actually has the actually has been replicated several times?
Speaker 1: Well, I want to get married credit because we don't
Speaker 1: have like, there's no unified consensus on how it was done. Right,
Speaker 1: So there's there's ideas, but there's nothing that says, hey,
Speaker 1: we'd absolutely know for sure.
Speaker 2: And that's my understanding of it. Maybe maybe you have
Speaker 2: a different dake.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But that's the light.
Speaker 8: The light, I mean, it's just it's like nassa. I mean,
Speaker 8: it's they can't even explain it. The force of the
Speaker 8: light through that cloth that made that image.
Speaker 2: They can't.
Speaker 8: They can't replicate it.
Speaker 1: But my question is, yeah, go ahead and ask your question.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the radiation the light that portrayed.
Speaker 1: That image on that cloth, I don't understand.
Speaker 8: It can't be explained. Okay, let me let me ask
Speaker 8: you this. As far as miracles happened, you know, or
Speaker 8: exorcists happened in Jesus' name, how do you how do
Speaker 8: you explain that to be like miracles of diagnosis like
Speaker 8: someone say, had like an ill illness like cancer, and
Speaker 8: the report was on this page. And then they went
Speaker 8: back after praying like hands on healing, and they went
Speaker 8: back and they got a whole different diagnosis. How do
Speaker 8: you how do you explain uh, things like this?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, thank you for your question.
Speaker 1: That is a great question, Mary, You've asked the best
Speaker 1: question so far on this show today where four callers
Speaker 1: thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 2: So I'll get my take on it that you know
Speaker 2: be easy and give is.
Speaker 1: But so it's interesting you bring up cancer, right, because
Speaker 1: cancer is one of those things where we have what's
Speaker 1: called spontaneous remission occurs, right, And spontaneous remission can occur
Speaker 1: whether you're an atheist, whether you're a Christian, or whether
Speaker 1: you're Hindu.
Speaker 2: These things happen with cancer.
Speaker 1: In fact, it's it's it's a known enough phenomenon that I'm.
Speaker 2: Able to talk about it with you.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: We don't see these with other kinds of diseases.
Speaker 1: For example, we don't see remissions from rabies, right, we
Speaker 1: don't see remissions from other stuff that leads to death.
Speaker 1: And so the fact that we can actually study this
Speaker 1: and know this as a pattern kind of demonstrates that
Speaker 1: there has that there's likely likely a mechanical biological phenomenon
Speaker 1: that's occurring here and not a supernatural one.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: It would be more impressive if people made supernatural claims.
Speaker 1: For example, I got my arm chopped off in the war,
Speaker 1: and then I asked God and he gave me a
Speaker 1: new one. That would be crazy. There's no biological mechanism
Speaker 1: for humans.
Speaker 2: To be able to do that.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: But we don't see those kinds of miracle claims because
Speaker 1: they just don't happen. Right. We've seen more of these
Speaker 1: kinds of miracle claims for diseases that do show rates
Speaker 1: of remission on some level. Right, that's typically what happens
Speaker 1: when it comes to health related miracles.
Speaker 8: Okay, you touched on that. What about exercisms when they
Speaker 8: feel like a person has possessed and they speak other languages.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, techology, they've done that.
Speaker 2: They've done that. They've studied people who've done exorcisms.
Speaker 1: Mary, I don't know if you know that, but they've
Speaker 1: they've done it, and they've shown that the people that
Speaker 1: these languages they're talking about are totally made up and
Speaker 1: are not the languages. They think that they're saying they've
Speaker 1: they've they've gotten people who speak those languages, and you
Speaker 1: say they're saying gobbly goook, they're not really saying anything.
Speaker 4: Mumbo jumbo.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And if you were ever pressed it, you know, hypothetically
Speaker 8: someone that you love in your life and they were
Speaker 8: on death store, which you ever call out?
Speaker 1: Would you ever.
Speaker 8: Find yourself calling out to God? If there's a God,
Speaker 8: you know, show yourself and heal feel this person that
Speaker 8: I love so much? Would you ever see yourself doing
Speaker 8: something like this?
Speaker 2: I think in a moment of desperation.
Speaker 1: I understand why people do that, because people wanted to
Speaker 1: take every option they can. The same reason why if
Speaker 1: you have cancer and you and you go to some
Speaker 1: wu wu clinic that may have you know, some crazy,
Speaker 1: you know cure for your cancer. You want to take
Speaker 1: that chance because you want to do everything you can.
Speaker 1: I understand why people do that, But I don't do that.
Speaker 1: And the reason why is because I think if I
Speaker 1: did feel that way, that's going to be a result
Speaker 1: of fear more than sincere belief.
Speaker 2: That's going to be a result of.
Speaker 1: Me trying to do everything I can, rather than you know, say, oh,
Speaker 1: this is all real actually, and I was. I was
Speaker 1: totally wrong, right, yeah, because look, why why why would
Speaker 1: I not want to have a relationship with God? Why
Speaker 1: are we living in healthy and fine? Why would have
Speaker 1: Why does it have to be at the end of
Speaker 1: my life when I make that change, you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And if and if I was, if I was God,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't even want a relationship with that person if
Speaker 5: they just cry out to me when they're about to
Speaker 5: when they're about to transition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: And it just seems to me like the Bible and John,
Speaker 5: I think it's John fourteen, verse thirteen. Yeah, John fourteen,
Speaker 5: Chapter fourteen, verses thirteen and fourteen, and the text says
Speaker 5: this these this is Jesus talking. You ask anything in
Speaker 5: my name, and I will do it so that the
Speaker 5: Father can be glorified, you know. And there's you know,
Speaker 5: millions of people in the past and in the present
Speaker 5: who asks things to be healed in things of that
Speaker 5: nature in the name of Jesus, and it doesn't happen.
Speaker 5: It's just crickets. So things like that shows me that, hey,
Speaker 5: this is not real.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think we came about though, how you know,
Speaker 8: that you know, our features people another Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, evolution, she said, our features.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, evolution. Every everything, everything in the.
Speaker 5: World adapts to the to the environment that it's around
Speaker 5: for survival. Just everything tries to survive. And you know,
Speaker 5: and over time, you know, the body naturally, you know,
Speaker 5: due to those adaptions, adaptations that we're making to survive.
Speaker 5: Over time, the body naturally forms those adaptations while it's in.
Speaker 4: The womb, you know, And that's evolution, you know. And
Speaker 4: it doesn't happen overnight.
Speaker 5: You know that evolution is a process that takes thousands
Speaker 5: and millions of years.
Speaker 4: To accumulate to do.
Speaker 5: So that's how that's how our features come about today.
Speaker 8: Yeah, do you have an a who created the evolution?
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't need to be agreed created evolution.
Speaker 2: I don't think it needs to be great.
Speaker 1: I think it's just a result of nature and what happens, right, Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ultimately it comes down to chemical processes, right.
Speaker 5: And everything works together to uh, you know, to do
Speaker 5: what it needs to do so that the hosts, which
Speaker 5: is us, can survive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bree, you good.
Speaker 8: I appreciate Yeah, you Jake, I really wanted to listen
Speaker 8: to you.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: So much. Absolutely, do you have any other questions. You've
Speaker 1: asked some questions so far. We're happy to help.
Speaker 8: Thank you so much. Uh can you say hi to
Speaker 8: Joe Rogan?
Speaker 1: You talk to him Joe Rogan? Okay, if I did
Speaker 1: the talk Joe Rogan on truth on it, I will
Speaker 1: let you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, don't make that happen.
Speaker 1: Sound good, Okay, thank you? All right, I have a
Speaker 1: nice one, Marie, have a nice one.
Speaker 4: Excuse nice. I like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm you know, obviously we have a difference of
Speaker 1: ideas of what's true what's not true. But hey, she
Speaker 1: asked our questions, she got our take, and she said
Speaker 1: thank you. That's the way I do it. Hey, everybody, Okay,
Speaker 1: I wish I.
Speaker 2: Could talk to her more.
Speaker 1: I almost I almost want to keep talking to her,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to keep it about ten minutes a call,
Speaker 1: and we have like a bunch of people that want
Speaker 1: to talk to.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 5: I think she I think she got disappointed because I
Speaker 5: think maybe she was thinking that if she called in,
Speaker 5: she was going to be able to speak with Joe Rogan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they realized, all right, I'm sorry, sorry, I don't
Speaker 1: know him like that, not everybody in Austin knows each other.
Speaker 2: It's it's a shame.
Speaker 1: But no, I wish what I wish I could talk
Speaker 1: to her is I want to know why she believed
Speaker 1: in God. Clearly she had some ideas and she thought
Speaker 1: some of this is true. And you know, all we
Speaker 1: can do though, right is maybe playing some seats and see, hey,
Speaker 1: consider this and if we're wrong, we're wrong, but you know,
Speaker 1: maybe go back at the time show why we're wrong.
Speaker 2: I would love that.
Speaker 1: I will see that happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, we are having an excellent show today, guys. I
Speaker 1: want to try to get to as many callers as
Speaker 1: I can. We'll see how many I can do. So
Speaker 1: stick around if you can, and if not, we do
Speaker 1: have atheists experience happening afterwards. And we still have about
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes left of the show right now, so just
Speaker 1: again stick around. If we don't get to talk to
Speaker 1: you today, then athest experienced folks can talk to you.
Speaker 1: Let's talk to Jake who wants to talk to us next.
Speaker 1: Jake from I think it's mass Jake from Massachusetts actually
Speaker 1: is so, Jake from Massachusetts, you are alive? Untruth wanted
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 10: He actually Maryland.
Speaker 4: That's okay.
Speaker 2: Oh it's Maryland. Okay, see it's the May.
Speaker 1: I don't know all my stake codes. You think after
Speaker 1: doing this for as long as I have, I would
Speaker 1: know them. But yeah, okay Maryland, thank you for correcting.
Speaker 1: You appreciate it.
Speaker 10: Yes, that's perfectly fun. So my questions from uh the
Speaker 10: Comcast saw which is is God he worship the evil God?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Question or my topic is more so I'm not a Christian,
Speaker 10: let me clarify that, but I do believe in God.
Speaker 10: I believe some type of gods. I don't know what
Speaker 10: type of God, Okay, I do you believe the type
Speaker 10: of God exists?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 10: So as an atheist, I assume that your belief is
Speaker 10: that there is no God. That yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Fair to say.
Speaker 1: It's it's hard because again, I don't know every god
Speaker 1: claim that exists.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So that's why I actually prefer the term egtheist because
Speaker 1: I'm kind of ignorant on because some people say, like
Speaker 1: God is nature. If God's nature, well then I believe
Speaker 1: nature exists, right, But if we're talking about traditional Christian
Speaker 1: claims in particular, then yeah, I don't I don't find
Speaker 1: any of those to be true. By the way, it
Speaker 1: does say m D in my call Q. It's at
Speaker 1: m A on your state code. So I was right, Okay,
Speaker 1: it was Massachusetts. Cruise thrown me off. Okay, so I
Speaker 1: just need to put that on the record that that's
Speaker 1: what happened. But anyway, sorry, Jake, that's that's my answer
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 10: So yeah, I mean somebody who's not necessarily a Christian.
Speaker 10: I did quote in Christianity, and it is the basis
Speaker 10: of like most of the things I know, and going
Speaker 10: in a venture and learn about other things. At the
Speaker 10: end of the day, the reality is I did grow
Speaker 10: up and was raised a Christians, but I'm not necessarily
Speaker 10: I think I should be fair to say I'm I
Speaker 10: said I was a theist, but it's more correct. So
Speaker 10: I'm an agnostic thest So I'm my basis is just
Speaker 10: more so that do you think it's more logical to
Speaker 10: basically assume that everything happened by chance or that there's
Speaker 10: some type of force that you know caused them effect
Speaker 10: kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if there is a force, I would
Speaker 1: want to know why that force wants children dead in Palestin, right,
Speaker 1: Like if there is a force that's controlling things. I
Speaker 1: have a lot of questions as to why stuff's happening
Speaker 1: the way it is, But no, I think when you
Speaker 1: look at that, and that's one example, right, this is
Speaker 1: the problem of evil that be Easy alluded to earlier.
Speaker 1: But if we're considering things from a moral standpoint, it
Speaker 1: makes more sense that the world is a bit more
Speaker 1: random in its organization rather than one supreme divine leader
Speaker 1: sort of making things happen. From a scientific point of view,
Speaker 1: it makes more sense that there are processes, that there's mechanics,
Speaker 1: that there's observable, repeatable phenomenon that's occurring, rather than one off,
Speaker 1: supernatural you know, things that are going on. So from
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, a god, a world without God
Speaker 1: sort of makes more sense to me than a god.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 10: Absolutely? I think I think I could agree with that,
Speaker 10: even though I would still say there's a guy. And
Speaker 10: the reason I would also connects to your claim of more.
Speaker 10: I'm not really too keen on saying God is good.
Speaker 7: You know what I mean.
Speaker 10: I'm perfectly willing to accept that somebody says God is
Speaker 10: equal just because I mean, and even when you want
Speaker 10: to be be easier for forgive me if that's not
Speaker 10: your name. But I think, okay, yeah, I think you
Speaker 10: even mentioned something about old and the thor and all
Speaker 10: the you know, the older guys. You know, those people
Speaker 10: that believed in those guys weren't necessarily you know, they
Speaker 10: may have felt like, uh, that God is with him
Speaker 10: or that God is with him, but there's a lot
Speaker 10: of evidence to show that they didn't necessarily believe in
Speaker 10: a in all good gods like there was for them,
Speaker 10: it was clear, like I mean, I mean not say clear,
Speaker 10: but for them it was it was like something that, hey,
Speaker 10: we have some good guys and there's some guys who
Speaker 10: really don't give a fuck about it, excuse my life. Yeah,
Speaker 10: and I think back to what you said about randomness.
Speaker 10: I do agree that there's a lot of randomness and
Speaker 10: chaos in the world. But I'm a purpose by saying,
Speaker 10: I'm a trainer, so I do do the markets, and
Speaker 10: I think the world called actually resembles it the markets
Speaker 10: a lot in terms of that random chaos and uh
Speaker 10: and the markets that kind of helps me come to
Speaker 10: terms with what I believe to. But it's more organized chaos.
Speaker 10: It's more like there are outside forces or imaginary forces
Speaker 10: that are playing a part in the random chaosness that
Speaker 10: does lead to repeated things happening over and over again,
Speaker 10: and even the process of revolution. To say, I'm I
Speaker 10: heard the other lady bring that up. I'm and I'm
Speaker 10: not a scientist by any means, but I'm more on
Speaker 10: the terms that we kind of sorry, but there's a
Speaker 10: basis of math if it was discovered or event, and
Speaker 10: you can kind of use that for science too. More
Speaker 10: on the basis that we discovered science math versus that
Speaker 10: we invented. I think we, you know, are whatever forced
Speaker 10: gal us. Our ability to reason and think allowed us
Speaker 10: to come up in terms and explain things that we
Speaker 10: did not necessarily understand. But I still do believe underneath
Speaker 10: of that, just because in everything in life, I mean,
Speaker 10: cause and effect is real like nothing just you can't
Speaker 10: really find out and correct me if I'm wrong, But
Speaker 10: you can't really find any example of something happening without
Speaker 10: there being some like a cause behind it.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, so you can't find things happening without there
Speaker 5: being a cause behind it, you know. But you know,
Speaker 5: even if things, even if there's a cause and effect
Speaker 5: of things and stuff. Though though those causes are you know,
Speaker 5: still random acts of nature.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: So for example, you know, like early on, you know,
Speaker 5: uh science, science has you know figured that early on,
Speaker 5: for example, in the early formation of the Earth. You know,
Speaker 5: when the planet called Thea crashed into Earth, which is
Speaker 5: now our moon, you know, and the debris from that,
Speaker 5: you know, the gravitational pool from the Sun caused the
Speaker 5: debris from that to form together, and that is what
Speaker 5: caused the Earth to cool down from a you know,
Speaker 5: from a state of just lava everywhere, and that's what
Speaker 5: formed the oceans and that's that's and it caused the
Speaker 5: Earth's orbit to uh to to to slow down, and
Speaker 5: that's what formed our seasons and things of this nature.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: So so that is in some you know, cause of
Speaker 5: a divine being that did that.
Speaker 4: You know, that's a random act of nature, you know.
Speaker 5: And you alluded to, you know, the the way that
Speaker 5: we think in our logic and things of that nature.
Speaker 4: Being you know, the cause of you know, some god.
Speaker 5: You're alluding you were alluding to if the way that
Speaker 5: we think now, if we were always able to think
Speaker 5: this way that we uh that we can now, then
Speaker 5: to me that that would have been some compelling evidence.
Speaker 5: But because we weren't you know, back in you know,
Speaker 5: prehistoric days or ancient days or whatever you.
Speaker 4: Want to call it.
Speaker 5: You know, we we we weren't able to communicate like this.
Speaker 5: We weren't able to say words, you know, we weren't
Speaker 5: able to think this way, you know. So just you know,
Speaker 5: things like that shows me a gradual process of adaptation
Speaker 5: and you know, evolution from that, and those are just
Speaker 5: natural causes to me. So things like that don't point
Speaker 5: to a god. Yep, if that makes sense.
Speaker 10: But yeah, Jacob, I think I do think that's really
Speaker 10: fit to start off.
Speaker 1: I think that's a.
Speaker 10: Really fair point. I guess I would rebuttal in saying that. Okay,
Speaker 10: so take take what you said for great. It all
Speaker 10: started with the Big Bang. If you do research on
Speaker 10: the Big Bang, you basically like you basically and I
Speaker 10: mean this, this is something that even scientists can't really argue.
Speaker 10: If you go all the way back to the Big Bang.
Speaker 10: The idea is that the Big Bang essentially was just
Speaker 10: like everything came from a from nothing, a black hole
Speaker 10: or mm hmm.
Speaker 4: That's that's that's not what the Big Bang states.
Speaker 5: No, uh the uh, Well, first off, scientifically there there
Speaker 5: can never be nothing there there you know, there's always something,
Speaker 5: you know, And the Big Bang states that the the
Speaker 5: universe just expanded from a certain state.
Speaker 4: So the state of the universes that.
Speaker 5: The state and then it expanded, you know. So the
Speaker 5: Big Bang does not state it's not a creation theory.
Speaker 5: It just it stays the university.
Speaker 10: From yes, and you you reminded me perfectly. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 10: It started from a dense hot point. That's the But
Speaker 10: you're absolutely right. But my argument is that that is
Speaker 10: not necessarily like there was something before that. And the
Speaker 10: reality is, this is why I said I'm agnostic, is
Speaker 10: that even scientists, nobody actually knows what was before this
Speaker 10: dense hot point or how this dense hot point even
Speaker 10: came about.
Speaker 1: Sure, but if we don't know, why say there's a god?
Speaker 1: Why not say I'm agnostic? And and I don't know?
Speaker 10: And that's why I should have clarified with the person
Speaker 10: that I talked to before that it's better accurately for
Speaker 10: me to say I'm an agnostic. I'm not really trying
Speaker 10: to debate necessarily.
Speaker 4: That there is a god.
Speaker 10: There's much more as what you just said that in reality,
Speaker 10: we don't know it maybe or it may not. I
Speaker 10: choose to live personally that there is because it just
Speaker 10: logically it suits me better. But I'm perfectly fine with
Speaker 10: somebody saying that they don't know and that they choose
Speaker 10: to live as a God. I think that's the perfect
Speaker 10: like leading ground for all of us. But it's like
Speaker 10: my question would be, what is that I would end with?
Speaker 10: Is that something you could agree with or which you
Speaker 10: stand firm or that there's just no God.
Speaker 1: Here's why I would say, I can't agree with it,
Speaker 1: because first I agree with you to a point. I
Speaker 1: respect it, admire of the fact that you're willing to
Speaker 1: say I don't know. Most people who believe in God
Speaker 1: don't say that, Okay, like ninety percent of the people
Speaker 1: I talk to on here don't say that. So I
Speaker 1: respect the fact that you that you acknowledge that, hey,
Speaker 1: this is a problem. I can't prove this definitively, but
Speaker 1: I choose to believe this. I respect that honesty. Where
Speaker 1: I don't meet you at right, where you lose me
Speaker 1: is saying this is what makes sense for me logically, right.
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing right, but that's that's kind of what you're saying,
Speaker 1: because logic is something that ostensibly we should be able
Speaker 1: to evaluate together. There, right, there's not a logic for
Speaker 1: me and the logic for you, and then we don't,
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of do our own thing. Like
Speaker 1: you know, I don't see why we need to have
Speaker 1: God involved in the first place. If we say I'm
Speaker 1: agnostic about it, then we're agnostic about it. Some people
Speaker 1: say agnostic atheist, right, and they make that instinction because
Speaker 1: because you don't assume that there is a god, right,
Speaker 1: that's really what we're trying to say. So you're kind
Speaker 1: of taking the opposite stance where you're saying, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I'm just going with the fact that there is
Speaker 1: a god, so there must be some other reason for that, right,
Speaker 1: That's the only way that makes sense to me. If
Speaker 1: we can talk about that reason, we could figure out
Speaker 1: whether that's a good reason or not. But it can't
Speaker 1: be like the Big Bang or something, right, because we
Speaker 1: don't know anything before the Big Bang?
Speaker 2: Right, we already we talked about that.
Speaker 1: So so what what's the reason there that you believe
Speaker 1: that a god needs to be involved at all?
Speaker 4: I think is fear and.
Speaker 10: I can't I can't get with that. I I can't
Speaker 10: understand why you would say that. And it is very
Speaker 10: respectable and there may even be a little truth to
Speaker 10: but for me. And this is why I prefaced by saying,
Speaker 10: like I was born and raised as a person that
Speaker 10: can't be underestimated because especially people have no way of
Speaker 10: knowing the dynamic that I was one to.
Speaker 1: Raise it too.
Speaker 10: But I mean, I'm essentially trained to think that there's
Speaker 10: a reason for everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so no matter that might be a problem, Right,
Speaker 1: that might be a problem. If you're trained to think
Speaker 1: that way, You're gonna hammer is going to see nails
Speaker 1: everywhere it hits, Right, that might be kind of a problem.
Speaker 10: Yeah, But I think science kind of like whether you
Speaker 10: believe in that or not. I think science back to
Speaker 10: that point too, like going back to cause and effect.
Speaker 10: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Science point is there being a God? No, science doesn't.
Speaker 10: No, no, don't don't get me wrong, don't get me wrong. Like,
Speaker 10: and that's why I want to That's why I wanted
Speaker 10: to say, like, at the end of the day, de
Speaker 10: spite me arguing. When I'm arguing and the data when
Speaker 10: I'm arguing, I'm first I understand completely that the reality
Speaker 10: is I don't know, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 10: don't get me wrong when when I say that, I'm
Speaker 10: not saying its science is proven that there's a guy. Oh,
Speaker 10: I'm well, the weird that that's not the case. I'm well,
Speaker 10: the weird that in reality, the evidence, if you want
Speaker 10: to even call it that, that's probably not even fair.
Speaker 10: Is very subjective or objective. I don't know what the
Speaker 10: word is. When I'm saying that science backs, science backs
Speaker 10: cause and effect, not necessarily, it's not something happened.
Speaker 4: There was a caluse.
Speaker 10: That made that happen. I think that's I mean, we
Speaker 10: could agree.
Speaker 1: With that, right, Yeah, but I know, but I was
Speaker 1: asking you, and we have to wrap things up. We
Speaker 1: literally have a minute here. I gotta I gotta probably
Speaker 1: end this call. Actually, I'm sorry. We we do have
Speaker 1: some other another show that has to be getting onto
Speaker 1: your here. It's not that I don't want to keep
Speaker 1: talking to you, but we're literally out of five here,
Speaker 1: so let me just wrap things up. Thank you for calling, Jake.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. You would appreciate the philosophy of.
Speaker 2: Soren Kirk Reguard.
Speaker 1: If you're not familiar, I think you and your Chrisianity,
Speaker 1: or maybe it's not Christianity. Your god belief probably aligns
Speaker 1: with his god belief and maybe maybe you're familiar with
Speaker 1: his works already. But that's that's something that might be
Speaker 1: worth looking into. I am going to let you go
Speaker 1: right now. I would love to talk to you at
Speaker 1: a different time when we have more time, but until then,
Speaker 1: I am dropping your call. Thanks again for calling it, folks.
Speaker 1: We have to wrap things up here on Truth Wanted.
Speaker 1: I want to give a special thank you to be
Speaker 1: Easy for being my guest today.
Speaker 2: Be Easy, you were pretty easy.
Speaker 1: To hang out with. Thanks intended, only intended, but yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 4: Oh man, thank you Dave. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being on here. If people want to
Speaker 1: find more of your stuff, where should they go?
Speaker 5: Yeah you can. You can find me on a t yeah, TikTok.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, you know if you're If you're on TikTok
Speaker 5: and you know you see my page up there on
Speaker 5: the ACAS Live, you know you can follow me on TikTok.
Speaker 4: Be Easy, be underscore, Easy thirty five. You know the
Speaker 4: same on YouTube as well.
Speaker 5: I'm about to get a lot more active on YouTube
Speaker 5: just the same amount as I am on TikTok. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I love having these discussions. Have them often, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: And if you like these as guys, what you want
Speaker 5: to see more? Stick around those of you who are
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Speaker 1: In about fifteen minutes, the Eightheist Experience is going to
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Speaker 1: I'm sure the cool hosts, I hope, but I don't
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Speaker 1: so stick around you'll be able to talk to them
Speaker 1: on our next calling show that's happening. I also need
Speaker 1: to give a special thank you too, Jamie the blind
Speaker 1: Line me for being our backup host to they. Jamie,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for hanging out in the background. You
Speaker 1: had some color commentary to say, but I couldn't hear
Speaker 1: yeah what you were saying because you were muted the
Speaker 1: whole time.
Speaker 11: But your face hilarious to watch. It was very distracting.
Speaker 11: I was that's necessarily we're out of time. I want
Speaker 11: you to commentary. The one thing I do want to
Speaker 11: say of all those callers, Marie work is the best one.
Speaker 11: Lovely lovely coler work.
Speaker 3: Or cancer charity, and I can tell you from experience
Speaker 3: there are orders of magnitude of people that succumb to
Speaker 3: the disease believing God on their side, believe that they
Speaker 3: are saved, and it's.
Speaker 2: Something they consider, something to consider for sure.
Speaker 1: So I always like to ask my guests before we
Speaker 1: leave the show if they have any words of wisdom,
Speaker 1: So be easy. Do you have any words of wisdom
Speaker 1: for us before we wrap up to this show?
Speaker 4: Oh? Where's the wisdom?
Speaker 2: Where's what's on your mind?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 5: I just you know, I just I just want everyone
Speaker 5: to hey, to be them. You know everyone, everyone is
Speaker 5: so concerned with belonging to a label. You know, well
Speaker 5: if if if you're not this, you got to be this,
Speaker 5: you know, like, no, you know, just just be you,
Speaker 5: you know, just enjoy life, enjoy this rite while you're
Speaker 5: still writing it, and.
Speaker 4: Just be you. Yeah, be you.
Speaker 2: I love that. Good advice, good words of wisdom. Thank
Speaker 2: you for that. Be easy.
Speaker 1: Thank you to everybody watching today's show. Folks, I'm objectively Dan.
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