WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:02.839 Hey, folks, Objectively Dan here, and if you haven't noticed 2 00:00:02.839 --> 00:00:05.320 on this recently, we've been having a lot of guests 3 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:08.199 that are coming from TikTok who like to talk about 4 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:12.080 religion and I'd like to talk about their experiences with it. 5 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:14.839 Mostly probably negative, I would say. And I think today's 6 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:16.800 guest is going to be no different. I have be 7 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:19.440 Easy joining me today, who's going to talk about his 8 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:22.160 own time with that. So get ready to listen to 9 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:24.960 him and all that and more on today's episode of 10 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:34.960 Truth Wanted. Hello, Hello everybody, and welcome back to another 11 00:00:35.039 --> 00:00:36.479 episode of Truth Wanted. 12 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:38.719 I am your host, Objectively Dan. 13 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:41.359 This is the live colling show where we talk to 14 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:43.920 people about what they believe and why. 15 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:44.920 And of course every. 16 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:46.920 Single week I always have a special guest with you. 17 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.679 This week is no different. It's be Easy joining me today. 18 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:50.359 Be Easy. 19 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:53.000 Welcome to truth Wanted. 20 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:56.799 Hey, thanks, thanks for having me Dan. 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You are 49 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:09.599 a TikTok creator, you like to talk about religion and uh, you, 50 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:12.879 I would say, you are quite critical of religion, not 51 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:18.919 a fan, not a zero staris wouldn't I recommend talk 52 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:20.680 to me about this? Be easy? So so you know, 53 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:22.479 we've been we've been getting talking. Like I said at 54 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:24.120 the beginning, we've been talking to a lot of TikTok 55 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:27.560 creators who who are coming out of the woodwork in 56 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:30.199 the last couple of years, you know, in talking to 57 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:34.039 people about the fact that they are atheists or agnostic. 58 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:36.680 Do you identify as atheist or agnostic? 59 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:40.599 No, I did not identify as agnostic. I am an atheist, 60 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:44.560 just atheists. So what's that down? What's that distinction for you? 61 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:48.439 So excuse me as we know just you know a 62 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:52.400 lot of people, and it's surprising because some people, you know, 63 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:56.000 don't understand the differences between those two you know and 64 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:57.759 just and you know, and and a lot of people 65 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.319 think being an atheist is a belief system. It's not 66 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:03.280 a belief system. It's the lack of a belief in 67 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:06.560 any religious gods, you know. And just strictly for me, 68 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:10.639 when people ask me that question, I strictly I straight 69 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:13.599 up tell them, you know, for me, you know, anything 70 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:18.319 that exists has evidence to validate its existence, and simply 71 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:22.639 because no god has any evidence to validate their existence, 72 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:23.919 then it doesn't exist. 73 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:26.879 For me, Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I mean I 74 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.039 tend to think along the same lines. There's some atheists 75 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:33.599 that will say, well, I'm an agnostic atheist because I 76 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:36.240 don't know for sure, but I don't kind of believe 77 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:38.759 in anything. Do you do you find any uh? You know, 78 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:41.159 does that make sense to you all? Or or you're like, 79 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:42.759 now you don't even use it that I. 80 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:46.159 Don't know, you know, uh, when when people say that, 81 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:48.919 it makes sense to me, Like I get why they're 82 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:49.479 saying that. 83 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:52.479 Yeah, But for me, I don't need to say that. 84 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:56.000 You know, I often tell people, you know, for God's 85 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:59.960 you know, people back back then, in ancient days and antiquity, 86 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:02.840 you know, they didn't have the scientific innovation that we 87 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:07.360 have today. And also they were bored, so you know, 88 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:11.319 they would look around. They would wonder how things operate. 89 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.520 You know, oh, what's this wet substance is falling down 90 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:16.920 from the sky. I don't know what that is. I 91 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:19.720 don't know how it happens. So they would have questions. 92 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:21.879 So what would they do? 93 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:26.160 You know, they would make up gods and attribute different 94 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:29.759 traits of nature to those gods, and then they would 95 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:32.279 create stories about those gods, you know, make them do 96 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.920 things so that they could sit down around the campfire and. 97 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:37.639 Entertain themselves, you know. 98 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:41.399 And then if you transferred a little later on down 99 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:46.040 the line, people you know, people in positions of authority 100 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:50.120 or whatnot, realized how much you can control and drive 101 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:54.959 people's behavior with the beliefs in different gods. 102 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:56.560 And so that's what they started to do. 103 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:57.720 Gotcha, gotcha? 104 00:04:57.800 --> 00:04:59.959 Yeah? Okay, So you're someone who definitely believes that religion 105 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.800 and you know, and it's in many and some of 106 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:05.079 its forms today probably certainly not all right, but but 107 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:07.680 in some of its forms, say, are used as a 108 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:09.079 control for people. 109 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:11.160 You know, you do you do go that far? 110 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:14.480 Definitely? Definitely. Hey, I get you if I get you 111 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:19.000 to believe in my God that I created, but only 112 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:20.120 I know that I created. 113 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:22.120 But if I get you to believe in my God, 114 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:24.879 and then I tell you, hey, well, well I'm the 115 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:28.720 middleman between this god and you, and hey, this God 116 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:31.160 told me that it wants you to do X Y 117 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:33.720 and Z. So guess what I'm going to do X 118 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:36.240 Y and Z Because now I believe in this God, 119 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:38.639 and I believe that this God is in control of 120 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:41.000 my afterlife and whatnot. 121 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:43.920 So I'm going to do what's required to please this God. 122 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:49.879 Okay, yeah, so you weren't always in atheists though, right, Oh, 123 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:50.680 not at all? 124 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:52.959 You did you identify as a Christian before? 125 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:53.360 Yes? 126 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:54.480 Okay, I was. 127 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:55.399 I was a Christian. 128 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:56.639 How long were you a Christian? 129 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:01.480 I was a Christian for about twenty three years, the 130 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:05.360 first twenty three years of my life, you know, right now, 131 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:10.680 I'm you know, I'm nearly double that that amount, you know, 132 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:14.959 my age is nearly double that. And so growing up, 133 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:20.399 I often, you know, I often like had questions about 134 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:23.920 specific things that just never sat right with me. But 135 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:28.360 I was always I was always shushed in church, you know, 136 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.439 and and in the community at home and things of 137 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:34.680 that nature. You know, there's there's a there's a popular 138 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:38.759 saying in you know, in the community Christian community, don't 139 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:42.240 question God, you know, and then they'll use a statement 140 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:44.839 that's in the Bible, you know, the walk by faith 141 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:48.639 not by sight or statement which literally tells you not 142 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.439 to think, you know, just do as you're told. Right, 143 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:55.279 So I was often I was often shushed with statements 144 00:06:55.319 --> 00:07:01.160 like that. Then in my early twenties, you know, I 145 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:05.360 sat down and I actually started to just to research 146 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:11.000 things to try to answer my questions, and I started 147 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.959 the information that I started to come on to discover, 148 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:17.759 you know, you know. 149 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.319 He said, you're about twice as old now, so this 150 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:21.680 would have been about twenty years. 151 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:22.480 Ago at this. 152 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:24.519 Yes, I'm I'm forty one now. 153 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:26.759 Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm forty one. 154 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:30.720 So when I when I was twenty three, you know, 155 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:35.800 I sat down and actually I I really I sat 156 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:39.319 down to try to prove the existence of Jesus because 157 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:43.639 someone a friend of mine who had gone through his 158 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:46.720 deconstruction process and everything, he just he planted that seed 159 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.000 in my ear. You know, he was like, hey, can 160 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:51.720 you can you validate? Can you prove the can you 161 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:55.040 validate the existence of Jesus to me, you know, with 162 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.399 using as less of the Bible as you could, you know, 163 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.079 And so I sat down and try to try to 164 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:06.399 do that, and then lo and behold, you know, I 165 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:10.800 started to discover one lie, you know, and then I 166 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:14.720 started to discover another one and another, and then just eventually, 167 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:18.319 you know, like that just engulfed all of my leisure time, 168 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:20.600 even even when I was supposed to be doing other 169 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.199 things productive, I would be you know. 170 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:24.959 I had a very similar experience. 171 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:26.160 I think a lot of people are like that, right, 172 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:28.240 because it's like, wait a minute, so this if this 173 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:30.279 isn't true, like what else is in Troe? 174 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:31.399 What about this thing about this? 175 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:33.799 Right? It kind of becomes you know, you kind of 176 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:36.679 get dig into it, right you kind of yeah, yeah, yeah, 177 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:39.159 get into it. And so not only are you an atheist, 178 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:40.759 you're also a Jesus mythicist. 179 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:44.039 I am. I am a mythesist. I am a mythsist. 180 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:47.759 I like because that's not as common in the atheist community. 181 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:51.120 And in fact, not only that for you, the actual 182 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:55.639 the mythsist position was a part of your deconstruction, is 183 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:56.600 what I'm said about. 184 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:59.759 It pretty much led the charge because. 185 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.559 You know, once I started to once I started to 186 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:06.080 get a hunch that Jesus wasn't a real person and 187 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:09.919 you know, and those things were fabricated, I still was 188 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:11.799 holding onto the God portion of it. 189 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:16.039 You know, I wasn't one of those you know. 190 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:18.320 I was a Christian, but I wasn't just deep into 191 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:22.039 it as like you know, you know, priests, the doctrine 192 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.720 and everything. I wasn't one of those trinitarians and everything. 193 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:27.399 You know, I was just told like Jesus the Son 194 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:29.679 of God, and you know, he did these things and stuff. 195 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:31.559 So I was still holding on to the god aspect 196 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:31.879 of it. 197 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:32.480 Parkay. 198 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:35.879 Yeah, then you know I started to critically think more 199 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:39.080 and more. Like once I started to learn and understand 200 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:42.000 more and more history, it allowed me to critically think 201 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:45.639 more and more, and in turn, that opened the door 202 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:50.159 for me to pay attention to more scientific innovations and 203 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.799 reasonings for things and stuff in the natural world more 204 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:55.320 and more, and that led me here today. 205 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:58.080 Really. Okay, So, so for the time when you were 206 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:01.000 first like okay, I'm not sure about this thing, or 207 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.919 you say a friend was sort of influencing you a 208 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:07.559 bit because they had their own deconstruction experience. Well, when 209 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:10.000 when did that start versus when you said, okay, I'm 210 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:10.799 finally an atheist. 211 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:11.960 How long was that period? 212 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:12.720 Oh? 213 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:17.559 Well, I want to say, honestly, it took a couple 214 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:21.559 of years to finally say. I will say, uh, maybe 215 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:24.720 around in my late twenties, maybe around twenty eight, twenty 216 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:29.120 nine thirty real, because you know, because for me and 217 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.200 I know this happens to other people as well, Like, 218 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:35.279 you know, once I started to have a hunch, you know, 219 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:40.080 about that the God thing was made up, then I started, 220 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:42.919 like I started, I was still trying to hold on 221 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:46.440 to it, you know, seeing I'm very spiritual and you know, 222 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:49.200 these spiritual things and stuff, and so gotcha. 223 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:51.120 That was my way of you don't want to get 224 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:52.879 you don't want to throw away the whole baby with 225 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.799 the bath water. Right, You're you're like, hey, maybe some 226 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:58.679 of this is real, but like at least this part 227 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:01.240 is it, right, So so you were kind of yeah, 228 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:02.759 And I think that's pretty common experience. 229 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:04.879 I for myself, it was probably pretty similar. 230 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:07.679 I think I became a liberal Christian first before it 231 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:10.679 became like an atheist, right because it's like, oh, maybe 232 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:13.039 the Bible we don't have to take everything literally and 233 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:15.399 we don't have to take everything this and then you know, 234 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.200 it just kind of kind of goes away from that time. 235 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:19.480 So that makes sense to me rite how that works. 236 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:23.879 And I know, I think uh as far as like 237 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:28.240 with a friend kind of planting a seed. Initially in 238 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.000 the beginning of our processes, I know it was a 239 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:32.799 friend with me, and I think it was it was 240 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:35.559 a little similar with you because I was, you know, 241 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:39.679 like I'm a researcher, you know, so I was doing 242 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:41.639 some research on you and I think, you know you're 243 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:45.519 you were a Christian and it was uh an atheist. 244 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.320 He like came to your college campus or something, and 245 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:51.240 you know, and he started asking you some questions and 246 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:54.039 you know, it just it planted a seed in you. 247 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:56.320 And yeah, you know that's definitely part of my story 248 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:59.320 for sure. Yeah, And it's it is crazy how just 249 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:02.600 single conversations in your life can really I mean, it's 250 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:04.399 part of the reason why I'm an active today because 251 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:06.480 I know the effects that I had on me, and 252 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:09.120 I know that the single conversations that you have with 253 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:11.960 people in your life can absolutely make a difference. And 254 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:15.080 I love doing it. But but let's talk about you actually, 255 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:17.120 So what so at this time this would have been 256 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:20.480 the mid two thousands. So were you like were you 257 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:23.200 just like kind of privately an atheist about this? Like 258 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:25.519 did you did you leave your church? Were you part 259 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:27.159 of a church group at this time? You know, what 260 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:27.919 was that transition? 261 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.399 Like, yeah, I was, I was part of a church group, 262 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:37.200 and you know, I did leave my church. And for me, 263 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:44.120 it's I went through exactly a process that that a 264 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:47.840 book that I read early on in my deconstruction process 265 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.080 said that I was going to do it. I guess 266 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:53.200 he kind of. He's a prophet. I guess he prophesied this. 267 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:55.200 Okay, okay, an atheist prophet. 268 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:59.240 Hey, hey, an atheist prophet. His his name is Anthony Browder. 269 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:02.080 And he has a book. Matter of fact, I have 270 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:06.519 it somewhere around here, but it's a book called twenty 271 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:12.000 two Essays on the African American Experience. And he said 272 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:15.080 that when you're on this journey, you're gonna go through 273 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:18.559 three emotions. He said, First, you're gonna become very angry. 274 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.320 You know, you're gonna be very upset. I rate, because 275 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:25.440 you're gonna as you're uncovering, you know, a lot of 276 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:28.279 these lies that you have been taught throughout your life, 277 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.600 you know, purposely sold by some but by others. 278 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:32.600 They just passed down. 279 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:35.039 Information that they were taught, you know, but you're gonna 280 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:36.960 find out this stuff is not true, and so it's 281 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.799 gonna make you very angry. And so he said that's 282 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:42.519 gonna be your first emotion. Then your second emotion is 283 00:13:42.519 --> 00:13:47.480 you're gonna feel very lonely isolated, because now you're you're 284 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:50.320 learning all this new information and so you're gonna want 285 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:53.039 to you're gonna want to shove it down the ears 286 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:54.559 of all your. 287 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:57.399 Family and friends and even any strangers. 288 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:57.399 That you meet. 289 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:00.879 And because you know, still most people are you know, 290 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:03.360 quote unquote caught in the matrix. 291 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:05.200 For lack of a better term. 292 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:07.200 You know, they're gonna they're gonna just deem you as 293 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.080 a conspiracy theorist and you don't know what you're you 294 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:12.080 don't know what you're talking about, and so that's gonna 295 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:13.440 make you feel very isolated. 296 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:14.159 Now. 297 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.120 Yeah, and then he said, you're gonna you're gonna you're 298 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:22.080 gonna reach your third emotion, where you know, like peace, 299 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:25.279 You're gonna start to realize, you know, uh, you're gonna 300 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:28.120 accept all of these new things that you're learning, and 301 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:32.759 you're going to start to realize that, hey, every you know, 302 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:36.759 everybody learns and accepts things at their own. 303 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:37.639 Pace, at their own time. 304 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:41.159 Some people it might not ever be the case for them, 305 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:43.679 and that's okay. You know, So you're gonna learn how 306 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:48.600 to decipher bits and pieces of information to those who 307 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:51.240 are ready for it, and who wants to who wants 308 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:52.200 to hear it and receive it. 309 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:53.840 And that's where I am today. 310 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:57.639 This this but this book, the twenty two Essays on 311 00:14:57.679 --> 00:14:59.879 the African American Experience and that what was that that 312 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:01.679 talking about atheism? 313 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:06.080 Yeah, so yeah, so that book, Yeah, it was so 314 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:09.440 like that. The author's name, his name is Anthony brought 315 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:12.039 her and he's still living out in the DC area. 316 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:15.639 And what happened was in the like in the late 317 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:21.559 eighties early nineties, the newspaper in that region hired him 318 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:26.960 on to write different essays on different topics regarding the 319 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:31.519 African American community, you know, every month, and so he 320 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.120 had a lot of different topics just describing the experience 321 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.960 that we are going through and what we've been put 322 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.200 in and things of that nature. And so he had 323 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:44.440 different so he compiled all of his essays, his monthly 324 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:46.919 essays into one book. 325 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:48.799 So yeah, so he had. 326 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:52.919 Numerous different essays, like different they would be chapters, but 327 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:55.360 you know, a lot of the chapters would be on 328 00:15:55.480 --> 00:16:00.240 different things. So but of course, you know, just a 329 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.519 lot of the chapters just ran through the topic of 330 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:06.639 religion and spirituality and things of that nature. 331 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:09.200 Just not it got it, okay, because I was gonna 332 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.639 say I relate to all of those things in my 333 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:16.240 own deconstruction, and I'm pretty sure I'm not African American. Okay, 334 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:18.200 So I was a little confused. I was like, whoa, 335 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:20.480 wait a waite, he's speaking to me right now, what's happening? 336 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:25.399 I got I gotta figure something out. But anyway, no, So, wow, 337 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:28.879 that's that's really incredible. So so yeah, I mean all 338 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:31.879 of that makes sense. The isolation, the feeling like, oh, 339 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:34.320 you're just like conspiracies or you're crazy, because you know, 340 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:37.120 for myself, I was a part of an evangelical college group, 341 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:40.519 and so you know, thinking the thoughts that I had 342 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.000 and saying the things that I did were definitely not 343 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:47.480 super welcome, right, And there definitely is an isolation experience 344 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:51.960 and also like a feeling of wanting to tell everybody around. 345 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.879 You, like, hey, all this shit's kind of a lie. 346 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:57.000 And you know, there's a reason why the angry atheist 347 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:00.000 phase is a thing that people say, right, because you're 348 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:03.440 kind of you're really sort of militant about it. Yeah, 349 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:04.920 I think a lot of people are. So So that's 350 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:06.720 how you were were you were you like, would you 351 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:09.720 describe yourself as an activist at this time? Were you 352 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:11.119 were you yeah. 353 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:15.079 At that time, at that at that process of the journey. Yeah, yeah, 354 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:18.960 because I you know, I wasn't. I wasn't standing out 355 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:22.559 on the corners like some Christians and Hebrew Israelites trying 356 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:25.799 to get with the microphones, you know, screaming this stuff out. 357 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:26.279 No. 358 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:30.279 But every time anybody who would listen, you you tall them. 359 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:32.559 Yeah, I would tell them and stuff. And I would like, 360 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:36.920 especially when when social media apps started to come on 361 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:38.839 the scene and emerge, I would get on them and 362 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:41.599 start talking about this stuff on rooms and stuff and you. 363 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.640 Know, okay I would. So before TikTok, you were doing 364 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.440 some stuff. Oh yeah, So before TikTok, I was. I 365 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:49.839 was doing some stuff on the clubhouse, which is at 366 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:50.519 Love House. 367 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:53.799 Okay, yeah, it's still going, you know, is it still going? 368 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:56.160 Okay, it's still going. 369 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:59.079 Wow, Okay, I still And I started to develop a 370 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:04.680 large following on there and then and then TikTok came 371 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:06.359 on the scene, and like it took me like a 372 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:08.599 couple of years, and then I got on the TikTok 373 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:10.319 and started trying it out, and then I just fell 374 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:12.519 in love with it, and wow, you know, here I 375 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:13.039 am today. 376 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:14.839 Yeah, Yeah, that's awesome. 377 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:15.119 Yeah. 378 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.200 So okay, so you've been doing this, but I I 379 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:20.759 I thought you had started on TikTok, but I didn't 380 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:23.400 realize you had some other social media stuff you were 381 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:23.839 doing before. 382 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:24.079 Yeah. 383 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:28.240 No, I started with with this topic on clubhouse. And 384 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:32.680 it's a few of my friends on TikTok who who you. 385 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:34.559 Know, we interact with each other, and we met. 386 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:38.000 My clubhouse, you know, that are frequent. 387 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:40.000 My lives in our mods, and my lives a lot 388 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:43.480 you know, uh, you know, shout out, shout out, drop top, 389 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:48.640 you know. But you know, so Instagram and Facebook not 390 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:50.559 so much. I just you know, Instagram it is a 391 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:53.480 little funny things, and Facebook's family and friends and stuff. 392 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:57.200 But yeah, and I started, you know, doing it here 393 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:59.799 and there kind of like you know, kind of trying 394 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:02.319 to slide in there. Like I was still like not 395 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:05.160 ashamed of it, but you know, because we're we're seeing 396 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:08.880 as you know, yeah, cringe, you know, quote unquote devil 397 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:11.039 worshipers or whatever, like we don't believe in God would 398 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:11.240 make it. 399 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:15.000 And I imagine that it's not your full time thing either, right, Yeah, 400 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:16.720 so that's how it is for a lot of us, right, 401 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:18.440 So it's like, well you kind of you get to 402 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:19.960 isolate that space for you. 403 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:21.960 You look like you have something to say on that. 404 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:24.960 Yeah, when when when you made that comment, Yeah, it 405 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:30.480 it ignited something in me, you know because oftentimes, because 406 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.359 like you just said, I'm a mythicist and the mystasis 407 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:38.039 position is the minority, right, and let's talk about that. 408 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:39.000 Yeah, go ahead please? 409 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:43.039 Yeah, And because when you when you when when you 410 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:48.920 I don't it just like uh, when when I ask 411 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:52.519 for evidence for the existence of Jesus, you know, most 412 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:55.160 people most people just immediately come and say, you know, 413 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:58.359 they try to appeal to popularity, Well, the majority of scholars, 414 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:02.960 well you know, the consensus. Well a A I often 415 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.599 tell people, A, the majority of scholars you know this 416 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:09.519 topic is there nine to five. It's their money maker. Yeah, 417 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:12.079 that's what you said that ignited. Yeah, it's their money maker. 418 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:17.079 So they have to continuously leave everyone in a great 419 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:20.200 area so they can continue to get, you know, booked 420 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:24.000 for lectures, they can continue to be employed, people continue 421 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:26.480 to buy their books and things of that nature, you know, 422 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:31.720 and they can't they can't put out academia that conflicts 423 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:35.000 with their employees or the majority view or whatever. 424 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:36.440 Then they're gonna, you. 425 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:41.160 Know, they're they're gonna stop being you know, contacted. Yeah, 426 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:44.480 it's it's not it's not my source of revenue. It's 427 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:48.000 not my money maker. So I so I'm gonna come 428 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:51.759 out there and put out the exact scholarship that most 429 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:53.079 people are scared to say. 430 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:57.480 Yeah, yeah, so I you know, I don't go one 431 00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:59.880 way or the other on personally. I have the opportunity 432 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:02.079 to speak with Richard kerry Or, who's probably one of 433 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:05.079 the most well known people who's who's talked about I've 434 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:08.599 read actually a few of his books. So I'm i'm 435 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:11.119 I'm I'd say I'm more familiar than the average even 436 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:14.400 atheist online that talks about the mythisist position, about the 437 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:18.519 mythsist position. I think most of us in this camp 438 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:21.519 who are activists, we tend to shy away from it. 439 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:23.039 And the reason why we shy away from it is 440 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:25.759 because it isn't it isn't something that we all agree on, 441 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:28.519 and so we don't like talking about it because you know, 442 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:30.400 some people may have some different takes on it, right, 443 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:32.880 and if we don't have, if we're not in presenting 444 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:36.279 our message in a unified way that can be seen 445 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:38.000 as a weakness. Right, So a lot of us kind 446 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:41.160 of fall on well, you know, whether Jesus or not exists. 447 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:43.920 You know, I think it's just, you know, we can 448 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:46.960 still talk about how everything else in Christianity does it 449 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:50.440 work or you know, doesn't make sense or isn't true. Right, 450 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:53.960 so you can still sort of deconstruct or debunk Christian 451 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:57.400 claims without having to go far as to say that 452 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:00.880 Jesus was a myth. What do you think about positions 453 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.079 like that where they're kind of taking I guess we'll 454 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:06.319 call it a centrist more view on the Mephasis position. 455 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:09.880 Yeah, And and that's a lot And you know, I 456 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:12.279 love Rich Carrier's work. I'm familiar with a lot of 457 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:15.960 his works and stuff. And he and he and I 458 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:18.519 like we we we get to the we get to 459 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:21.119 the same conclusion, the same finish line, but we take 460 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:24.279 different routes. Yeah, you know, and and like a lot 461 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:29.680 of you know, uh, well, I know Rich Carrier thinks 462 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:32.680 that Jesus never existed. He's a mythhsist. But people like 463 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:34.960 bar Ermann, I'm sorry, that's what I'm thinking of. Bar 464 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:37.480 erman is not a mythsist, but he just he just 465 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:39.599 rejects the supernatural claims and things of that. 466 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:40.200 Correct. 467 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:45.079 Yeah, like but and Carrier also Carrier Carrier like, I 468 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:48.759 don't believe that Paul ever existed, and I think that 469 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:53.079 all the Gospels and I think that all of the 470 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:57.000 texts from the New Testament were mid second century and 471 00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:59.279 beyond creations not. 472 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:02.599 Yeah, I was Art doesn't think yeah. 473 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:06.559 Yeah, but I do, wow, as much as it's a 474 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:09.240 lot of evidence for that being the case. 475 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:13.200 Man, Okay, we may need to talk about that in 476 00:23:13.240 --> 00:23:15.599 between the calls that we do have a couple of callers, 477 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:17.400 who do you want to talk to us? So I 478 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:20.119 do want to talk to callers, but hey, in between, 479 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:22.000 I want to ask you about that because that's a 480 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:25.000 new one to me. I I Paul being a myth. 481 00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:29.079 That's that's not common at all. So I'm very curious 482 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:31.559 on on what the defense is on that. I would want. 483 00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:33.920 I want to hear what that is. But if it's 484 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:35.960 okay with you, we do have some callers that want 485 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:37.400 to talk to us, So you want to switch gears 486 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:40.519 here and talk to some callers, absolutely, Okay, let's do it. 487 00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:40.960 Let's do it. 488 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:43.720 Awesome, Let's do that before we get to our first caller, folks, 489 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:46.160 I need to do a thank you to our patrons 490 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:48.920 of the week. Every single week we have the folks 491 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:51.480 who donate on the Patreon. You can donate at a 492 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.119 c A dot show slash Patreon t W. I of 493 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:56.480 course want to thank everybody for supporting this show. But 494 00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:59.200 this week's patron of the week is going to be 495 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:04.000 drum roll, please wait for it. It is phantom X. 496 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.359 Thank you so much, phantom X. There it is on 497 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:10.079 the screen. I came in too hot, you know, before 498 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.160 before crew could catch up. Thank you, fantom AX, and 499 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:14.880 thank you to everybody who contributes to the show. 500 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:16.680 You are all amazing. 501 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:18.920 And with that out of the way, let's get to 502 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:21.640 our first dollar. We have a call who is waiting 503 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.640 who called at the very end of talk Ethan has 504 00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:26.359 been waiting this whole time, so I'm going to get 505 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:26.920 to them first. 506 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.400 We have Popo I believe is how you say your name? 507 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:32.799 Please correct you if I'm wrong, calling in from Puerto Rico, 508 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:37.160 who says that they have proof slash evidence that God exists. 509 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:40.799 So Popo, you are live on truth, wanted love to 510 00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:41.119 hear it. 511 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:42.880 Yes, how are you? 512 00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:46.079 I'm going to prove that God exceeds. The argument is 513 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:54.680 universe exceeds, Therefore necessary or being ex said, that is God. 514 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:56.599 Okay, I'll be real with you, Papo. 515 00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:59.400 I I couldn't hear about half the words you said there. 516 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:01.720 I don't know if there was an audio issue or 517 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:04.039 there is some slurring going on or what. But maybe 518 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:06.200 if you can repeat that, maybe slow down just a hair, 519 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:08.000 we might be able to catch what you're saying. 520 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:09.599 Can you hear me? 521 00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:09.960 Now? 522 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:11.960 I can hear you, I think so. 523 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:12.440 Yeah. 524 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:22.319 Okay, a contingent or dependent universe exist. Therefore unnecessary or 525 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:28.240 non dependent independent being or reality exists, and that is God. 526 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:29.279 That's the argument. 527 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:36.039 Wow, Okay, why why does the first premise leading to 528 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:36.920 the second premise? 529 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:44.759 Because a dependent being, by definisue and structuality ontologically mean 530 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:49.880 that it depends on something else, and that something else 531 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:53.920 must exist for the dependent reality to exist. 532 00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:56.880 Okay, So who does God depend on to exist? 533 00:25:57.480 --> 00:25:57.519 No? 534 00:25:57.720 --> 00:25:59.799 Because God is unnecessary being. 535 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.759 Oh, God's a necessary being. Okay, So what if the 536 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:04.599 universe is a necessary thing? 537 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:08.400 That's impossible because I just proved that it's dependent. 538 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:11.759 Really, you've proved it. I don't remember him doing that. 539 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:14.559 Do you remember he proved that the universe is now, Yeah, 540 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:17.599 I don't think so. Yeah, tell me how how do 541 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:20.039 we prove that the universe is necessarily dependent? 542 00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:20.960 Okay? 543 00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:25.559 Do you accept or deny that dependent being succeeds in 544 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:26.640 the users? 545 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:29.759 I don't know what that means. Dependent beings exist? I 546 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:32.079 could you know? You can claim someone as you're dependent 547 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:33.839 on your tax form. So I don't think that's what 548 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:34.480 you mean, though. 549 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:35.440 Okay? 550 00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:38.000 Are you a dependent or a necessary being? 551 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:40.839 I don't think I'm either. I don't know what those mean. 552 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:46.480 Okay, are you dependent or are you God? Are you 553 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:48.799 a condicient or are you God? 554 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:49.440 Again? 555 00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:51.839 Necessary to have to define your terms just a little 556 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:53.720 bit more so, I just want to be clear with 557 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:56.400 the pop up all the words that you're using this 558 00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:57.240 line of argument. 559 00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:58.240 This is not new to me. 560 00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:01.240 I'm sure it's not new to be either. We've heard 561 00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:04.960 variations of this before. The problem that I'm trying to 562 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:06.680 elucidate here, and I want to be easy to chime 563 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:08.359 in as wells is not just me talking. But look, 564 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:10.960 I think it's been that you can throw these words out, 565 00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.799 say the universe is this and we're that all day, 566 00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:17.039 But until you actually demonstrate that's the case, it really 567 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:19.720 doesn't matter. And look, here's the thing. I think if 568 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.200 a god does exist, it has to be better than 569 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.400 just well, if we philosophically consider the universe, then God 570 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.960 has to exist, right, I don't know. To me, it 571 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.640 seems like we could do something stronger. But that's just 572 00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:33.440 my take. What do you think? 573 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:33.880 Be easy? 574 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:35.640 Yeah? 575 00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:40.519 Well I usually go two ways with with that. When 576 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:43.799 when when people bring that up, because yeah, like like Dan, 577 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.640 she said, I'm not God, We're not We're not God's 578 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.839 you know, and so yeah, we we are dependent, we're contingent. 579 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:54.720 You know, our parents had six and you know, nine 580 00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:55.960 months later that we're h. 581 00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:58.759 Yeah, hey, be easy here Dan, here, you. 582 00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:01.559 Know, so yeah, we you know, So like I go 583 00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:04.880 two ways when people say that, like A and Dan 584 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:07.559 just said that, you know, you haven't provided evidence that 585 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.720 the universe is contingent, is created, you know, we need 586 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:14.359 you know, what makes you say that the universe was created? 587 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:15.759 It's contingent, you know? 588 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:21.680 And then and then b you know you you myself, Dan, 589 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:27.519 No one is able to describe exactly all of the 590 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:31.400 mechanims mechanisms of the universe how it operates, So we 591 00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:34.880 don't how would how would you know that it's contingent 592 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:38.039 if you can't even describe everything that happens within it. 593 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.920 Ye, okay, so you agree that you are dependent? You 594 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.799 said it? 595 00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:45.079 Is that all you took away from that? 596 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:45.519 Papo? 597 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:51.160 He said, he agreed with me. 598 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:54.440 I know he actually I think his opinion was. I 599 00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:56.720 think his take was a lot more nuanced than you're 600 00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:58.759 giving you credit. And I'm not sure you were listening. 601 00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:01.039 Could you maybe give us of what he said so 602 00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:01.960 I know that you're listening. 603 00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:05.279 He said that he agreed that we are depend than 604 00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:07.480 in cons Did you say again. 605 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:09.200 I think that that's the point you want to make. 606 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:10.839 But what I'm asking you is cause you think you 607 00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:12.559 could summarize what he said so that I know that 608 00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:13.160 you're listening. 609 00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:15.079 But that's important. 610 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:16.880 Part he said that. I want to make sure that 611 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:17.599 he said that. 612 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:19.960 Yeah, But Papa, how do I know that you're actually 613 00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:22.200 listening right now? Because if you're not listening, why do 614 00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:24.400 I have a conversation with somebody that's not listening. 615 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:28.839 Okay, I'm listening, but I'm asking that in order to 616 00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:31.480 know that you know that I'm listening by asking that, 617 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:32.880 if you if. 618 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:35.599 You were listening, you wouldn't have to ask, right, you 619 00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:37.039 would know if you were listening. 620 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:39.759 I'm just saying exactly. Let's take this one step at 621 00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:40.079 a time. 622 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.319 I think if you listen to what you're saying, he 623 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:45.640 was saying, Hey, we may know some things in the 624 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:47.519 universe works some ways, but we don't know how everything 625 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:49.480 in the universe works, right, So how do we know 626 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:52.400 about that? And and just because some parts in the 627 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.960 universe work the way that we think that they do, 628 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:58.680 that doesn't mean the universe itself works that way, right. 629 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.559 The universe itself is a completely different things than the 630 00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.759 things that make up the individual parts of the universe. 631 00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.119 So how do we know that the universe is dependent? 632 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.480 How do we know that the universe is contingent? Papo okay, okay, 633 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:13.039 I tell you. I'll tell you. 634 00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:17.319 I don't need the universe. I just seed one dependent being. 635 00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:20.640 That's it. No, you don't. That doesn't make any sense. 636 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:25.400 Yes, I do. How many dependent beings do I need 637 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:25.920 to prove? 638 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:26.440 Need? 639 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:28.759 Dependent being or necessary being? 640 00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:30.720 I don't know how many dependent beings do you need 641 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:31.640 to change the light bulb? 642 00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:32.759 What are we talking about here? 643 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.119 What do you mean the universe could be made by 644 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:36.240 multiple gods? Right? 645 00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.200 How do we know it's not multiple gods. 646 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:40.680 Oh, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I just 647 00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.119 seed one dependent being. 648 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:42.599 That's it. 649 00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:47.880 Yeah, I don't see the problem. You have to we 650 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.559 have to be convinced or we have to make sense. 651 00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:53.480 Otherwise you're not really convincing as of anything. 652 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:53.720 Right. 653 00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:55.000 We're confused here. 654 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.519 Okay, do you agree that I just need one dependent 655 00:30:58.640 --> 00:30:59.960 being to prove God? 656 00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:01.440 No? 657 00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:04.880 Why why not? Why not? 658 00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.119 Why why would you need one depend Why does one 659 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.480 dependent being? Again, we still haven't fully defined what that means? 660 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.640 But why why does Why does that follow? You haven't 661 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:15.720 demonstrated that at all? 662 00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:21.000 Okay, because only one dependent being is necessary because if 663 00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:25.240 it exists, it already needs a dependent I mean dependent 664 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:28.279 being by definities of structurally. 665 00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:29.799 You ever heard of a circular argument? 666 00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:32.519 You know what that is? 667 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:34.480 What's that? 668 00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:36.559 You ever heard a circular argument? 669 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:37.480 Yes? 670 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:37.839 I have. 671 00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:41.079 Yeah, I think that's what that is? What you just said. 672 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:42.319 I think you just tried to say. 673 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.319 I I know the wall is blue because the color 674 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.640 of blue is what makes up the wall. You know, 675 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:49.759 That's not what I'm what I'm hearing here. 676 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:53.160 No, that's not what I'm saying. And you still mind 677 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:53.960 what I'm saying. 678 00:31:54.960 --> 00:32:05.839 No, I can't honestly because I I Yeah. 679 00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:06.279 You cannot steal what I'm saying. Okay, Now we cannot 680 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.960 come up with this conversation because you don't know what 681 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:12.359 I'm saying, and you're answering something that I'm not saying. 682 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.240 I think the only the only part that I understood 683 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:18.160 that that you said, because you keep saying it is 684 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:21.480 because it is that we we need one dependent being. 685 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.079 Yeah, you said we need one dependent being to prove 686 00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:24.920 God exist. 687 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:26.640 I'm not sure what you mean. 688 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:31.799 Yeah, Okay, that means that I don't need to prove 689 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.119 the universe is dependent. I just need one dependent being. 690 00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:35.559 That's it. 691 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.599 Why Why is that the case? I don't understand that. 692 00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:44.759 Because one dependent being is only needs by definitions. 693 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.519 That's that's the circular part of it, right, Like we 694 00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:50.519 have to know why the definition? 695 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:52.200 Why that that's true? 696 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:52.519 It's not. 697 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:55.839 That's not how definitions work. By the way. 698 00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.200 You don't get to say, well, it's that's what this 699 00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.319 is and that's what makes you true. 700 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:00.839 Right. 701 00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:03.160 So I don't know. 702 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:09.640 Because I don't need the whole universe of dependence beings 703 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:11.759 to prove God. I just need the ones. 704 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:14.559 Okay, Well, Papa, let me ask you this. Then let's 705 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.079 change course here because I have other callers that I 706 00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.519 think would have more interesting conversations of what we're having now. 707 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.119 Is this is this that argument? 708 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:22.279 That? 709 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:24.880 Is this the argument that you rely on to believe 710 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.720 in God? Is this, like this argument being true that's 711 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.400 what convinces you of God? Or or do you have 712 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:33.640 other arguments that that are more convincing to you? 713 00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:33.839 Oh? 714 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:34.880 This is the ones? 715 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:40.920 Okay, okay, Well tell you that there's people that have 716 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.279 talked about this that are much smarter than I am 717 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:47.279 and talk about it much more interesting ways, you know. 718 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:51.079 But ye, can I ask Can I ask him a question? 719 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:51.759 Absolutely? 720 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.839 I'm a well, I don't want to assume. So the 721 00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:58.799 the god that you're referring to, is it the God 722 00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:04.759 of the Bible? Yes, sir, okay. So so let's say, so, 723 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:08.960 what makes you think that the God of the Bible 724 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.599 is the true God that created the universe. Let's say, 725 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:18.119 you know, hypothetically speaking, what what makes you sure that 726 00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.639 it's the God of the Bible that created the universe? 727 00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:24.480 And I don't know, uh it not maybe not? Maybe Brahma? 728 00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:27.800 What makes you think it was my way and not Brahma. 729 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:29.800 Who really, who's the true God? 730 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:35.639 Okay, because it created the dependent universe by the definition, 731 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.519 by what the arguments proved. 732 00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:42.039 But in the in the okay, in the in the 733 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:44.760 Babla Ghita, Brahma did that? 734 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:45.679 Yeah? 735 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:49.079 If the Bible it says it was God who created 736 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:49.760 the universe. 737 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.280 Yeah, well, actually hear what the Bible says, Like, what 738 00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:54.760 makes you think the Bible is true? 739 00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:58.719 Because I just proved it is according. 740 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:03.000 To my arguments. Yeah, yeah, circular Go to Wikipedia look 741 00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:07.119 up circular arguments, because I think that's what we're experiencing here, Papo. 742 00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:11.039 I would I would try. I seriously, I don't know 743 00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:13.119 if you've actually talked about this with your friends and family. 744 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:15.840 Maybe you have, But try this with other people that 745 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:17.760 aren't on a callin show and see if this makes 746 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:19.960 sense to them. See if you can convince other people 747 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:24.719 that aren't already Christians. Right, if this makes sense. I 748 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:26.719 don't think what I'm hearing here makes sense. I'm sorry. 749 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:29.000 We do have some other callers that want to talk 750 00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:30.480 to us here, so we do have to wrap things. 751 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:32.559 I'll give you one last chance, or was there anything 752 00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:34.239 else that you want to say before we let you go? 753 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.519 Okay, tell me which part doesn't make sense to you. 754 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:42.679 Well, all of it, but specifically you're talking about dependants 755 00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:45.519 and you're saying you just need one dependent to prove 756 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:48.360 that God exists. I don't know how you get there, 757 00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:50.360 and I don't understand that. So if you want to 758 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.400 work on your argument, I would start with that and 759 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:56.360 see what see what you can do. No, we don't 760 00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:58.800 have time anymore. You had an opportunity, but you know 761 00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:00.199 we we we ran out of time. 762 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.960 So next time. Sound good? 763 00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:04.480 Okay, thank you very much. 764 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:06.960 All right, thank you, Popo, have good rest of your 765 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:12.920 July fifth. 766 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:16.960 That was rough. 767 00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:19.559 I think we said what we need to say on 768 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:24.960 that one. Honestly, I don't know if we need to elaborate. Yeah, 769 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:26.800 So I'm just gonna move on here and before we 770 00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:29.920 get to the next college, just real quick, gotta plug. Hey, 771 00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:31.400 if you want to support the show, we do have 772 00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:36.440 merch Ace dot Show slash merch for your t shirts, hoodies, mugs, hats, etcetera. 773 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.559 Another way to support our show is through the super chats. 774 00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:41.639 If you send them in, we will read them as 775 00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:45.320 long as their YouTube slash TikTok appropriate. Okay, so please 776 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.039 go ahead and send those in and we'll get to them. 777 00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:49.960 And last, but not least, before we move on, I 778 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:54.719 have to thank the wonderful, amazing, stupendous, fantastic crew that 779 00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.920 helped make the show happen every single week. 780 00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.559 Thank you to the crew and for everybody doing stuff. 781 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:03.159 Oh what's up? Vern's got The atheists are good without God. 782 00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.960 There you go, Rocket the merch stable, Thank you for that. 783 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.320 We do have some super chats. I do want to 784 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:12.000 read them real quick. We got one from A G 785 00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.079 three three seven oh three gave four nine nine said 786 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.199 the nerds are here to support. 787 00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:19.039 Thank you so much for that. 788 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.760 Another dollar ninety nine from it's Christina Carroll, who says 789 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.599 board is wait no, wait a minute, hold on, I 790 00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:28.039 think these are from last week. These are not the 791 00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.360 current ones. That's why I was confused there. Okay, well 792 00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:34.480 we get the current ones updated. Maybe we'll get to 793 00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.280 the super chat. Sorry about that, folks, technical difficulties. But 794 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:41.400 let's move on to our next callers. Here we have like, oh, 795 00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:43.719 we got two really good ones here. I'm going to 796 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:45.280 go with the one who was waiting just a little 797 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:48.519 bit longer. I want to get to but we have 798 00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:50.480 a we have a Georgie, and we have a George, 799 00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:54.320 which is really interesting. We have Georgie from Bulgaria who's 800 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:56.239 calling him first. I want to talk to them right now, 801 00:37:56.280 --> 00:38:00.519 real quick. Georgie, you are alive on truth. Thanks for 802 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:00.960 calling in. 803 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:01.440 What's up? 804 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:02.239 Hello? 805 00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:04.280 How are you doing good? 806 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:05.960 Is it right? Is Georgie right? 807 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.880 Please correct me if I'm not saying your name right. 808 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:11.280 It's Georgy in Bulgarian. 809 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:12.039 But thank you. 810 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:14.679 Thank you for correcting me. Girkie, appreciate it. Thanks for 811 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:16.519 calling to the show. What do you want to talk 812 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:17.039 to us about? 813 00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:18.480 Well, I want to share. 814 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.519 I've seen a light in the sky on three occasions. 815 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:28.800 It's okay. It was the white white lights. It didn't 816 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:30.559 twinkle like stars. 817 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.320 Okay. I saw some lights last night. It was fourth 818 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.760 of July. There was a lot of fireworks. I saw 819 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.880 a lot. Yeah, a lot as well. It is the 820 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:41.960 reason why you believe that God exists because you saw 821 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:43.559 like these lights or what? 822 00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:44.719 Well? 823 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:50.559 I typed in the summary that I believe we are 824 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:52.320 non physical eternal beings. 825 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:57.840 Okay, okay, and the lights somehow contribute to this idea. 826 00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:02.639 Yeah, they were doing weird stuff on true occasions. 827 00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:05.440 What so you saw weird lights. 828 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:07.920 How does that correlate to the idea of us being 829 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:09.039 non physical beings? 830 00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:14.280 Well, I do believe we're surrounded by it and aliens 831 00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.760 that are here to help. 832 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:19.920 Oh okay, so it's not really it's not necessarily a 833 00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:24.320 god thing. You're you're you're talking. Okay, So you think 834 00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:28.840 that we're like around spiritual sort of non physical beings. 835 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:31.920 Yeah, stuff like New age ideas. 836 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:34.880 Okay, all right, I appreciate you going it woo woo. 837 00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.719 I guess you know because I think I would too. 838 00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:40.880 Yeah, me too. 839 00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:45.079 Yeah, so let me I'm confusing. Okay, So you believe 840 00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:47.679 it's non physical beings, but like, surely it's not because 841 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.000 you saw three weird lights one time, right, Like, I'm 842 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:53.000 assuming there's some other reason why you believe that. 843 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:59.440 Uh So, I have some sources that talk about this stuff. 844 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:03.599 They make books in videos on YouTube. 845 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:05.599 That's I mean, that's cool, But I want to know 846 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.920 about you, like your reasons, Like you think that this 847 00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:11.639 idea that you're talking about, right, we're non physical beings. 848 00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:14.760 That's interesting on its own, right, Like I want to 849 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.079 know if we're non physical beings or not. Why should 850 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:19.199 I believe? Why should me? And be easy believe that 851 00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.480 we're non physical beings, or maybe you don't believe that, 852 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:23.440 maybe you believe there's. 853 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:24.639 Other non physical beings. I don't know. 854 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:26.880 Can you elaborate just for us on that? 855 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:32.880 Well, I think science proves more likely that we're in 856 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.239 a simulation some something like that. 857 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:36.360 We ta, So. 858 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:41.280 I asked you to talk about why you believe a claim, 859 00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:43.840 and then you made another claim about something else. 860 00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:47.360 So I didn't he very well, I'm sorry. 861 00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.440 That's okay. What'll let me be real clear. 862 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:53.079 Okay, you said that we're non physical beings. All I 863 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:54.519 want to know is why? Why? 864 00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:56.800 Why should I believe that we're non physical beings? 865 00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:57.719 Well? 866 00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:00.760 A strong point is quantum tunneling. 867 00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.039 Okay, okay, so so what a please? 868 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.760 I need more than just a few words, man, I 869 00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:09.400 need some elaboration here. 870 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:11.559 What do you mean? What about quantum tunneling? 871 00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:13.360 You've read about it? 872 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:14.599 I have? 873 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:17.480 Have you read about quantum tunneling before? Pay? 874 00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:18.920 Not very much? 875 00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.239 Oh, Georgie? Did you did you just say you haven't 876 00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:26.480 read about quantum tunneling? 877 00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:27.480 Yes? 878 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:29.840 Well, then why are you bringing it up? 879 00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:35.119 How does he? Yeah? I've seen videos on YouTube? Okay, 880 00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:37.039 we have YouTube university here. 881 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:41.119 Yeah, So have your parents, Has anyone in your life 882 00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:45.880 ever told you shouldn't believe everything you see on the internet? Yes, 883 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:50.920 uh yeah, I think this is one of those cases, right, Like, 884 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.840 how do we child there's a good case study? How 885 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:55.679 do we know that the things we see on the 886 00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:59.440 internet are true or not right? What can we do 887 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:01.440 to figure out what's true and what's not true? 888 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:04.239 We have to have a method to do that. 889 00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:08.320 Yeah, I agree, I agree. So let's talk about non 890 00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:12.320 physical beings. How do we evaluate this idea that people 891 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:14.559 are non physical beings? What do we need to do 892 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.039 to prove or debunk that? 893 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:21.199 Well, I would say that people in the past have 894 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:25.360 been talking about like the bag of a Gita gap 895 00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:30.199 they had a punch, and I do think that they 896 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:33.320 have been visited by extraterrestials in the past. 897 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.039 Okay, but what about us right now? How do we 898 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.559 figure out in today's world whether these things are true 899 00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:39.840 or not? 900 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:44.159 Well, first off, all we have access to is awareness. 901 00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:49.760 We don't have any access to a reality like you. 902 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.119 Know, Okay, I'm not sure. 903 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.000 Maybe there's I you know I from what I sounding, 904 00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.280 and I might be wrong, but I'm assuming English is 905 00:42:57.320 --> 00:42:59.679 not your first language. So there might be a bit 906 00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:03.159 of a uh a translation thing that's going on here, 907 00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:07.800 because we're kind of losing we're losing a sense of. 908 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:09.760 Direction on our conversation here. 909 00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:11.599 And I don't want to cut this one short because 910 00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:14.559 I think that this is an interesting topic, but I 911 00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.679 really want to go somewhere instead of just running in 912 00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:21.320 circles here. So I mean, I don't know, George, what 913 00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:23.239 do you want to talk about right now with us 914 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:25.280 today that that we can actually talk about? 915 00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:31.440 Well, I would like to say that we're in a 916 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:37.039 physical reality only for fun, only for adventure, for adventure. 917 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:37.599 For adventure. 918 00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:43.039 Why why to say that? 919 00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:49.719 I say that, because like, we have a reality like 920 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:54.840 this and we deal with it, and incarnating in physical 921 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:58.280 reality is one way to deal with eternity. 922 00:43:58.840 --> 00:43:59.559 I got dot that. 923 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:03.840 I gotta be easy. You got anything for that? 924 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:07.719 Yeah, I got nothing. 925 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:13.360 I'm just as lost as I was with the other guy, 926 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:14.519 the last caller as well. 927 00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:19.159 All right, well, Georgie, listen, I think your topics are interesting. 928 00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.519 What I would what I would ask is that you 929 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:25.440 sort of just figure out how you want to evaluate 930 00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:28.239 these ideas with us a bit more right. What we're 931 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.800 interested in, what this show is about is we want 932 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.559 to know what people believe and why. So I'm gonna 933 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.599 let you go right now. But next time, that's just 934 00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:37.960 got to say. I don't want you to call again. 935 00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:39.480 I do want you to call again, but I want 936 00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:41.960 you to think about the why, right. I want to 937 00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:43.920 get into the why with you next time. That way 938 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:47.800 we can really talk about stuff, Okay, But for now, 939 00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:49.639 I am going to let you go. Thank you so 940 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.079 much for calling in, and I hope you do get 941 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:54.320 to call in again because Bulgaria. You know, that's probably 942 00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:56.960 it's probably a pretty crazy time for you right now. 943 00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:58.239 I don't know what time of the day it is, 944 00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:03.519 but you know, something something, something that's off of that conversation. 945 00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:07.000 I don't know, weird vibes going on with that. That's 946 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:08.400 two in a row with weird vibes. 947 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:13.679 Yeah, I think it is like I think you hit 948 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.880 the nail on the head, like you asked him him 949 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:17.159 in the previous caller as well. 950 00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.000 He was from Puerto Rico, I think. Yeah. 951 00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.880 So, I think yet with English not being their native language, 952 00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:26.800 so they're having trouble communicating what they're really trying to say. 953 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.119 I'm speculating that that's probably a factor. 954 00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:32.519 Right, So I'm not trying to denigrate anybody or you know, 955 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:34.800 I just trying to have a conversation. We're having a 956 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:36.559 little bit of problems with that today, but that's okay. 957 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:38.320 We got out of the college, so let's move on. 958 00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:40.639 Now we're gonna talk to George. Okay, George is going 959 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.719 in from Florida. Wants to talk to us about why 960 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.719 we as hosts don't believe George are alive on truth 961 00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:49.559 wanted thanks for waiting, and what's going on. 962 00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:53.840 They're having a lot of trouble. 963 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.280 They don't know how to communicate it at all, do they. 964 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.960 I tried my best, you know, I try my best. 965 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.760 You did a great job. Thank you, Thank you. All right, 966 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:08.440 talk to don't give us any trouble today now, George. Okay, 967 00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:10.559 let's let's let's ask. 968 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:12.679 Some good You know, you said he didn't be English. 969 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.840 You, oh, well, he didn't understand English. That well, you 970 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:20.639 gave him a large handicap in that area. He spoke English. 971 00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:24.480 See exactly what you were saying. He said things that 972 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:25.320 didn't make sense. 973 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:26.800 Let's be seriously. 974 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:29.679 I can only I have to get the benefit of 975 00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:31.440 doubt to every one of my callers, because I don't 976 00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:31.719 know them. 977 00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:33.159 All I know is a voice on the other end. 978 00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:36.159 Right. So but anyway, George, let's talk about you. What 979 00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:38.039 do you want to talk to us about today? 980 00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:40.719 Well, I can tell you this just a start off 981 00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:40.880 to that. 982 00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:42.920 I mean, you don't know anything about your college. I 983 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.440 started to be a priest. I have my EPA license 984 00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:47.039 in H G, E. 985 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:47.559 C R. 986 00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:51.239 I'm a very intelligent person, bro, you can you can 987 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:52.480 feel free to respect me. 988 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:53.719 And my intelligence. 989 00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.400 You don't have to think that. 990 00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:59.159 Didn't George eating the language? Okay, So the cool thing 991 00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.480 about a Collin show is that you don't need a degree. 992 00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:04.280 You don't need a certificate. You would need anything to 993 00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:06.519 call in here, right, So I appreciate the fact that 994 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:08.039 you have some studies. 995 00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:11.239 That's great. Doesn't matter to me. Man, you could be. 996 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:13.920 Working at the gas station down the street, or you 997 00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:14.880 could be working at Harvard. 998 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:16.480 I'll probably still talk to you on this show. 999 00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:19.360 That's the beauty of it. So, you know, just tell me, 1000 00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:20.800 tell me what you want to talk about. Let's go 1001 00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:21.440 down there. 1002 00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:25.719 They very well may know. 1003 00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:28.840 How to communicate better. 1004 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:30.199 I'm not sure. 1005 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:34.199 And I put that, I mean, do you just like. 1006 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:35.559 I just want to ask you this. 1007 00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.039 Right after bat because I'm not really I'm not really 1008 00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:39.719 in tune with you yet. You know, I just didn't 1009 00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:42.840 listen to that. I don't know what that was, but yeah, sure, 1010 00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:47.960 do you do you dislike people that believe in God? Like, 1011 00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.679 do you like look down on them like they're stupid? 1012 00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:52.880 I'm curious, like. 1013 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.199 No, no, no, not at all. 1014 00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:56.760 No, thank you. 1015 00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:59.039 I mean, you know, because I don't do the same 1016 00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.360 thing to people that don't believe in God. This dude 1017 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.519 is worrying about quantum tunneling. I don't even know what 1018 00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:04.519 the hell he's talking about. 1019 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:06.960 I don't know what he's talking about either, But you know, George, 1020 00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:08.960 be easy. You might have missed the first half of 1021 00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:10.679 the show, but be easy. He was talking about his 1022 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:14.199 experience and he used to be a Christian and I 1023 00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:18.559 also used to be a Christian. So anybody, lots of people, 1024 00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:21.320 both dom and smart, believe in God. There's no there's 1025 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:26.239 no like well not being a Christian? Brother, what made 1026 00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:27.320 me stop being a Christian? 1027 00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.840 Yeah, because I have a few things that have made 1028 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:32.079 me stop being a Christian. 1029 00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:35.320 I just wanted to hear you. So you're also you're 1030 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:36.280 also not a Christian? 1031 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:40.400 Then no, I don't consider myself a Christian anymore because 1032 00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:42.559 they won't baptize animals. 1033 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:44.639 That's the reason why. 1034 00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:49.039 I mean, we can only start there. I mean, I 1035 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:51.440 have Buddhist principles and stuff like that. I mean, I 1036 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.039 think that the fact that you won't baptize an animal 1037 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:57.199 is saying, well, all my animals are going to help. 1038 00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:01.039 I'll be honestly, that's not the first thing I think 1039 00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:03.159 of as the why I'm not a Christian. 1040 00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:07.440 That is one of the first things I thought of 1041 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:08.320 as of late. 1042 00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.239 Okay, Okay, Well, to answer your question, I'm not a 1043 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.480 Christian for a number of reasons. But you know, Christianity 1044 00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:18.360 makes and I want to I'll give my case and 1045 00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:20.119 I want to be easy to make his case afterwards. 1046 00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:21.719 So I'm not talking this whole time. Okay. So, so 1047 00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:25.000 the reason why I'm not a Christian is because when you. 1048 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:29.360 Talk about the Christianity makes different claims across it's a 1049 00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.599 big religion, a lot of hats. Okay, so it makes 1050 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:34.360 I can't address every single Christian claim, but I would 1051 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.679 say the majority of Christian claims throughout the history of 1052 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:41.960 Christianity have either turned out to be unfalsifiable or simply 1053 00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:45.159 just flat out false, right, just not true. 1054 00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:45.599 Right. 1055 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:48.280 So one of them, for example, is the existence of 1056 00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:50.519 a God. I have yet to figure out whether a 1057 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:52.840 God exists or not. I don't think there's good evidence 1058 00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.239 that God is. Let me finish real quick, George, please, 1059 00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:57.599 let's stop with the crossbalk. 1060 00:49:57.679 --> 00:49:59.320 I gotta get my point out and then I'll let 1061 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:01.760 you talk a problem. Okay, So that's one of them. 1062 00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:04.960 I don't think God exists Jesus being God, you know, 1063 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.639 I I am ambivalent on whether Jesus exists or not. 1064 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:09.239 But even if he did, I think at best he 1065 00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:11.119 was a cult leader, I really do. I don't think 1066 00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:13.000 he was much more than that. I think he convinced 1067 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.440 a bunch of people he was God and that was it. So, 1068 00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.719 you know, that's pretty central to Christianity. That kind of 1069 00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:21.119 disqualifies me from being a Christian in any meaningful sense 1070 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:22.960 of the word. And that that's why I'm not a Christian. 1071 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:23.400 Be easy. 1072 00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:25.039 Why why would you say you're not a Christian in 1073 00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:25.719 a few words? 1074 00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:28.920 Oh, I'm glad you take that. 1075 00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.079 A few words on, I gave a qualifier, right, yeah, 1076 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:33.880 you gotta, yeah, you gotta you know, yeah, just just 1077 00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:35.599 just in a few words and a lot of it 1078 00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:36.199 relates to. 1079 00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:39.920 You, George, George, you gotta George, you gotta let us talk. 1080 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:43.599 Man, We'll get to you. Please just chill out. 1081 00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:45.159 Yeah yeah, it's okay. 1082 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:46.639 Yeah yeah. 1083 00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:49.639 So I'm pretty much, to make a long story shot out, 1084 00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:53.159 I'm not a Christian mainly, like the the the central 1085 00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:59.960 character in the Bible, God is the most what human 1086 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:05.239 would consider evil entity character in the entire book. 1087 00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:05.719 You know. 1088 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:12.079 So when Christians say that, you know, like from all Christians. 1089 00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:14.800 I hear that God is all good and. 1090 00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:20.199 You know God, you know, he's loving, well, a loving God, 1091 00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:23.000 and an all good God wouldn't allow. 1092 00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:25.840 Babies to get essayed. 1093 00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:28.920 The loving and all good God wouldn't allow innocent people 1094 00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:34.679 uh to to be harmed and unalived from natural disasters 1095 00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:38.840 and things of that nature. People get tortured and slave God. Yeah, 1096 00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:40.920 and so on and so on, you know. And so, 1097 00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.199 like I said at the beginning of the show, there's 1098 00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:46.960 no existence. There's no evidence for the existence of a God, 1099 00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:49.960 not even just the Christian God, all of the other gods. 1100 00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:53.760 And so if it doesn't have evidence to validate his existence, 1101 00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:55.239 to me, it doesn't exist. 1102 00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:57.559 What are the other gods? 1103 00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.199 Well, there's there's there's time I checked, there was over 1104 00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:03.559 like forty five hundred different. 1105 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:06.960 In the world. Oh the vikings. 1106 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:09.880 Yeah, you have Odin and Thor, and those two gods 1107 00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:10.920 are older than. 1108 00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:11.519 The Christian God. 1109 00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:14.320 Yeah, so who those all kinds of God believes? 1110 00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:18.679 Yeah, there's a lot of gods you have margins, Yeah, Brahma, 1111 00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:19.920 this new right? 1112 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:21.199 You know, I could go on and on it. 1113 00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.920 Well, he's pointing that out because you know, we often 1114 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.159 talk about the existence of God within Christianity, but really 1115 00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:30.400 that's not a fair debate because that's only one kind 1116 00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:31.159 of God claim. 1117 00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:32.800 There's a different kinds of God claims. 1118 00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:35.039 So be easy. It's just pointing out he doesn't find 1119 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:39.239 any God claim convincing Christianity. You're not right. Why do 1120 00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:41.119 you not believe in God? 1121 00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:44.920 I'm just curious, man, we literally just did this. 1122 00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:49.039 I don't know what's are I mean going on? 1123 00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.280 Come on, what did we just spend the last five 1124 00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:52.920 minutes doing? 1125 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:53.400 George? 1126 00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:55.679 We can't blame the lame burier this time. 1127 00:52:58.280 --> 00:52:59.400 I'm listening to you. 1128 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.920 There, we just said why we don't believe in God? 1129 00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:06.760 Why don't you? I mean listen, why don't you believe 1130 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:07.079 in God? 1131 00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:09.519 Is the same conversation why I do believe in God. 1132 00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:12.840 It's the same long conversation. We could go on about 1133 00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:14.920 all the typicalts and everything like that, Like we have 1134 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:19.039 her opinions, don't. We have to respect each other though, right, 1135 00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:20.840 Like we respect each other. 1136 00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:26.440 To a point, to a point, you know, but we're. 1137 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:28.360 Like, I know, I know, you push my button. 1138 00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:31.159 It's like it's like, oh, like this guy is sitting there, 1139 00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:34.679 you know, this last guy he didn't really know how. 1140 00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:37.599 To ru We need to stop talking about the last 1141 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:39.920 caller and let's talk about you for a second month. 1142 00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:41.639 Rand Like we're trying to tell you why we don't 1143 00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.079 believe in God. And I'm not even sure if you care, 1144 00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:45.840 because I'm not sure if you're listening. 1145 00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:48.039 Yeah, And I'm like. 1146 00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:49.960 I do, I do, I don't care. 1147 00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:50.639 I don't care. 1148 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:52.119 You're right, He's absolutely right. 1149 00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:54.360 I do not care, because well, if. 1150 00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:56.480 You don't care, why ask why would you? 1151 00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:58.960 Why would you spend your precious time on this earth 1152 00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:00.519 calling us up and asking us? 1153 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:03.760 Because there's nothing that I love more in this world 1154 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:09.079 than to cast the people that have opposite opinions from me. 1155 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:13.239 Okay, like it is, it's magnificence, that's great. 1156 00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:16.760 In order to do that effectively, I would argue, George 1157 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:18.719 that you need to listen to what they're saying, and 1158 00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:20.920 you do genuinely need to care. 1159 00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:23.400 Right because one, if you don't, it's just rude. 1160 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:24.039 Right. 1161 00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:26.119 So I don't want to talk to somebody that doesn't know, well, you. 1162 00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:29.920 Don't care what these people are saying, Like George, first 1163 00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:30.239 of all. 1164 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:33.440 You don't know me. First of all, George, I'm. 1165 00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:36.199 Gonna mute you because you have some issues here. 1166 00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:37.599 George, you do not know me. 1167 00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:41.480 One and two, I absolutely. 1168 00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:43.280 Care about the people that call in and talk to 1169 00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:45.039 me on this show. I've been doing this for a 1170 00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:47.599 long time. I know this is your first time doing this, 1171 00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:51.159 but I do. I genuinely do. If I didn't have 1172 00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:53.239 an interest in it, I wouldn't be wasting my time 1173 00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:53.960 doing this. Man. 1174 00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:55.719 I enjoy it. 1175 00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.960 So instead of throwing out judgments on people but whether 1176 00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:01.159 or not what they're doing, let's just let's just focus 1177 00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:04.519 on the here and now. Okay, anyway, was there anything 1178 00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:06.239 you want to add to that, Beasy before I hit 1179 00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:07.000 unmute here? 1180 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:08.360 Uh? 1181 00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:11.400 Yeah, And like I just wanted to give him another 1182 00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:15.239 small reason as to why I don't believe in God. 1183 00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:18.960 And specifically the God that George believes in, the Christian God. 1184 00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.760 You know, well, he said he doesn't believe in Christianity, 1185 00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:24.320 but he might believe in God. 1186 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:25.559 He was a little confusing on that. 1187 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:25.960 I don't know. 1188 00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:29.039 Okay, well that's well then, yeah, that's okay. 1189 00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:32.480 Yeah, I agree though it's confusing. It's not entirely clear. 1190 00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:34.880 But anyway, I'm gonna hit on mute. Let's see what 1191 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.800 George has to say. Okay, Georgia unmuted, now there, go ahead. 1192 00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.159 I'm not sure why you did that, but but you know, 1193 00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:48.960 I I really understand your first ration because I was 1194 00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:53.280 listening to the last chorer like you, you were allowing 1195 00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:56.159 to the fact that we were even though you thought 1196 00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:59.280 there was a language barrier, there wasn't a language Like 1197 00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:03.760 he was absolutely saying what he was saying. He may 1198 00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:09.639 not have been like, you know, very specific and you 1199 00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:11.559 know the way you want it, but I mean like 1200 00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:14.639 he was saying what he was saying, and you heard him, 1201 00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:17.360 and I respect you for that, you know what I mean, 1202 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:19.519 Because he was trying to say like the world is 1203 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:22.239 no proof, and it's like, yeah, there's absolutely no proof. 1204 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.719 That's what everything teaches and the Christian religion. 1205 00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:26.559 Is it. 1206 00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:29.280 You just have to have faith, you have to just believe, 1207 00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:34.800 you have to just but have like all of you, like, 1208 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:39.760 have you not always had some kind of thing going 1209 00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:42.880 on where you felt some kind of guidance or whatever. 1210 00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:47.400 And whether that's yourself or whether it's God, I mean, 1211 00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:51.280 that's that's really up to interpretation. 1212 00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:52.840 You're absolutely right. 1213 00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:55.239 Well, I'll be quick with my answer and be easy. 1214 00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:57.480 Walls to be quick, so because we gotta we got 1215 00:56:57.480 --> 00:56:59.400 to wrap up this conversation pretty soon. 1216 00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:01.239 We've got other don't want to talk to us. But yes, 1217 00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:02.320 I did. 1218 00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:04.480 I did have a sense of self that I thought 1219 00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:06.840 was God talking to me. Turns out it's just me, baby, 1220 00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:10.480 it's all me, it's my conscience, it's it's you, it's you. 1221 00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:12.719 Know that. I don't need to describe that to a 1222 00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:16.960 supernatural force. And I'm assuming be easy probably would say 1223 00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:18.960 something similar to that. Right, if you agree, there's nothing 1224 00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:20.559 I agree the same thing. 1225 00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:22.360 I think it is you. 1226 00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:28.360 It is absolutely you and versus to bring Yeah, okay, yeah, 1227 00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:29.639 so there you go, And where are we? 1228 00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:30.880 You know, what do we disagree on? 1229 00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:36.639 There's nothing to disagree on, absolutely, like even like not 1230 00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:39.079 many people have read like I told you, I started 1231 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:40.920 to be a priest, and even in the Bible it 1232 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:45.519 says that you don't. You're not supposed to believe in heaven. 1233 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:48.800 You're suole to think about it God and all this. 1234 00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:50.119 You live your. 1235 00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:54.280 Life as a good person, as a person that you are. 1236 00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:56.400 You don't you don't need all. 1237 00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:59.119 That you do. I don't think you studied hard enough 1238 00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:01.960 to be a priest. I'm sorry, because the Bible definitely 1239 00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:02.679 does not say. 1240 00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:09.280 It absolutely tells you that you do not need anyone 1241 00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:10.760 to tell you what you believe. 1242 00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:13.239 You believe it or you don't, and. 1243 00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.320 It's on you, like would you do? 1244 00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:17.639 Do you think that you're a good person that. 1245 00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:21.199 All things considered? I think I do? Okay, you do? 1246 00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:22.159 Okay exactly? 1247 00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:24.840 You know what I mean? Like, that is. 1248 00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:27.599 Not what Jesus said, though that's totally clear that that's 1249 00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:28.239 my belief. 1250 00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:29.559 That is not what the Bible says. 1251 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:32.320 The Bible says Jesus is the way, the truth and 1252 00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:34.360 the life, and it is his way or the highway. 1253 00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:37.920 Man like that is you know, there's no compromises there. 1254 00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:39.320 Have you tried a bevort? 1255 00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:43.280 Have you tried not? I'm not gonna I'm not going 1256 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:46.239 to use Dirney words or but you know, have you 1257 00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:50.239 ever tried like not, you know, conicated? 1258 00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:52.679 I don't know what word I want to use to 1259 00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:55.159 say sex. You can say sex, you can say I 1260 00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:55.679 have sex. 1261 00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:56.360 I'm the wrong. 1262 00:58:56.880 --> 00:59:00.400 Okay, so tex is wrong in the Bible right unless 1263 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.519 you're trying to have a kid. But have you ever 1264 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:04.519 tried doing that for a while? 1265 00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:06.480 Like pretty awful. 1266 00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:09.719 Or not? 1267 00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:12.000 I don't know where thatsation is going. I'm sorry we 1268 00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:14.199 got to wrap things up because I got other callers 1269 00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:15.760 that want to talk to us, and I feel we're 1270 00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:17.440 not getting anywhere. Was there anything else you want to 1271 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:18.480 say before we let you go? 1272 00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:24.199 I think that the reason that you may be like 1273 00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:27.360 not believing in God, which is I've had a lot 1274 00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.320 of times like that. I think maybe the reason is 1275 00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:35.880 that you know, you might be angry about certain things, 1276 00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:36.679 you know what I mean? 1277 00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:41.280 Like, I think the reason you think that is because 1278 00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:42.559 you're judgmental of people. 1279 00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:44.000 I'm not saying that, you see. 1280 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:45.039 To show it continued to happen. 1281 00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:48.679 I'm not judging people, man, because you don't know me. 1282 00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:50.519 You don't know anything about me. You called it, you 1283 00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:52.920 called into my stream just to tell me that I'm 1284 00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:53.519 just angry. 1285 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:55.840 Why because that's your personal opinion? 1286 00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:59.360 Also judging my other callers describing their motivations of what 1287 00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:01.880 they're doing. Know, I'm gonna say fuck you to that 1288 01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:05.360 actually and goodbye because I don't need that energy in 1289 01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:06.400 my life. 1290 01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:09.159 What the hell is going on today? 1291 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:11.639 Be George had won too many? 1292 01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:12.000 Man? 1293 01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:14.360 Like? Did you due to my colors? 1294 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:18.119 Was he trying to ask us? Have we ever tried 1295 01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:18.679 having six? 1296 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:19.599 Or something like? 1297 01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:24.440 Oh man? 1298 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:26.480 What was going on? 1299 01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:27.119 Man? 1300 01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:32.400 What is happening? Why can't I have a normal calling show? Bro? 1301 01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:35.440 This is really bad? I don't know what George was 1302 01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:35.960 on about. 1303 01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:38.039 First of all, he spent half the time talking about 1304 01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:42.320 people that weren't him, okay, and uh, describing motivations which 1305 01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:45.480 I don't like. And that's his takeaway is, well, I 1306 01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:50.960 just think you're angry. Yeah, now I'm angry letting. 1307 01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:54.480 Me off, dude, Why would you think we're angry? The 1308 01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:56.960 whole show, We've just been smiling and laughed. 1309 01:00:56.719 --> 01:01:00.159 Man, Like we explained why we don't believe in God. 1310 01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:02.519 None of that it was emotions. 1311 01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:07.039 At all, right, Literally right after both of us explained literally, 1312 01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:08.960 well why don't you believe. 1313 01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:10.559 In Oh my god? 1314 01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:12.880 This show is crazy. All right, we need to move on. 1315 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:17.000 Let's get Let's please callers, step callers. I'm gonna ask 1316 01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:20.159 you today, step your game up, Please step your game up. 1317 01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:23.800 Come on, this is not We can't be doing this anyway. 1318 01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:27.119 All right, we have some more I think, Oh, okay, 1319 01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:29.719 let's talk to some more people. I want to talk 1320 01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:33.760 to Mary or Marie. Please correct me if I'm wrong. 1321 01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:38.400 I'm calling in from Texas, Mary slash Marie. He wants 1322 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:40.639 to talk to us about the Shroud of Turin. You're 1323 01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:41.679 live on truth Wanted. 1324 01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:42.119 What's up? 1325 01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:47.599 Hi, I'm calling about the Shroud of Turan and your 1326 01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:50.920 take on it. Yeah, I understand. 1327 01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:54.079 Uh yeah, that's really easy for me. I think it's 1328 01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:54.679 a forgery. 1329 01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:57.960 I think that they have, you know, the few times 1330 01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:02.000 that it has been admitted for you know, scientific testing, 1331 01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:04.960 had they you know, they did at least one study 1332 01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:07.440 right where they actually submitted a portion to like three 1333 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.840 different institutes. Right, the kind of test the dating on that, 1334 01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:14.960 and the dating goes back to like the medieval times, right, 1335 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.719 it doesn't go back all the way. So it doesn't 1336 01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:19.760 seem to me that we have enough evidence to believe 1337 01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:22.760 that it's anything holy at all. Much less the you know, 1338 01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:25.800 face of Jesus on there. So yeah, that's my take. 1339 01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:29.440 What what what about how they can't replicate it in 1340 01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:30.920 today's modern technology? 1341 01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:33.960 So that is interesting, right, and and you're absolutely right. 1342 01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:36.760 So so so we don't know the means of which 1343 01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:38.960 it was created, and I think that that's fascinating. 1344 01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:41.920 Well, at least we don't. We don't have a definitive idea, right, 1345 01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:43.079 it's it is debated. 1346 01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:45.599 So I'll give you that that that is very mysterious, 1347 01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:48.239 But I don't think it's that. 1348 01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:49.480 Means it's divine, right. 1349 01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:52.239 I think just because we don't know something, we don't 1350 01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:54.519 fill in that evidence. We don't we don't fill in 1351 01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:56.199 that gap with God. We call that the God of 1352 01:02:56.239 --> 01:02:59.480 the gaps fallacy, right, Anything that we don't can't explain 1353 01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:00.840 we attribute to God. 1354 01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:03.159 That's not really how I operate. I think I think 1355 01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:05.199 we can just say we don't know and leave it 1356 01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:05.559 at that. 1357 01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:09.360 But you know that piece of the cloth from the Medieagle, 1358 01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:11.079 it's when they had the fire. 1359 01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:12.840 The fire, that's what they say. 1360 01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:16.159 Yes, that that is what's claimed, but we don't know 1361 01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:19.559 that for sure either, right, And and if that's the case, 1362 01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:21.320 I wish we could do some more testing, but you know, 1363 01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:23.599 I don't get to control who gets the test on 1364 01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:24.519 the shroud of turd or not. 1365 01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:29.679 Right, I understand your stance of being. I want to 1366 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:30.760 understand it more. 1367 01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:37.800 Actually has the actually has been replicated several times? 1368 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:40.760 Well, I want to get married credit because we don't 1369 01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:45.119 have like, there's no unified consensus on how it was done. Right, 1370 01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:48.199 So there's there's ideas, but there's nothing that says, hey, 1371 01:03:48.199 --> 01:03:49.239 we'd absolutely know for sure. 1372 01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:51.079 And that's my understanding of it. Maybe maybe you have 1373 01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:51.639 a different dake. 1374 01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:52.079 I don't know. 1375 01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:54.280 But that's the light. 1376 01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:59.239 The light, I mean, it's just it's like nassa. I mean, 1377 01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:01.960 it's they can't even explain it. The force of the 1378 01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:04.559 light through that cloth that made that image. 1379 01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:05.119 They can't. 1380 01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:06.639 They can't replicate it. 1381 01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:10.880 But my question is, yeah, go ahead and ask your question. 1382 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:14.159 Yeah, the radiation the light that portrayed. 1383 01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:16.440 That image on that cloth, I don't understand. 1384 01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:21.320 It can't be explained. Okay, let me let me ask 1385 01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:25.239 you this. As far as miracles happened, you know, or 1386 01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:29.079 exorcists happened in Jesus' name, how do you how do 1387 01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:34.199 you explain that to be like miracles of diagnosis like 1388 01:04:34.239 --> 01:04:38.079 someone say, had like an ill illness like cancer, and 1389 01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:41.280 the report was on this page. And then they went 1390 01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.039 back after praying like hands on healing, and they went 1391 01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:46.599 back and they got a whole different diagnosis. How do 1392 01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:49.440 you how do you explain uh, things like this? 1393 01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:51.440 Well, first of all, thank you for your question. 1394 01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:54.519 That is a great question, Mary, You've asked the best 1395 01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:58.280 question so far on this show today where four callers 1396 01:04:58.599 --> 01:04:59.920 thank you. Thank you. 1397 01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:02.280 So I'll get my take on it that you know 1398 01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:03.239 be easy and give is. 1399 01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:07.119 But so it's interesting you bring up cancer, right, because 1400 01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:09.800 cancer is one of those things where we have what's 1401 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:14.239 called spontaneous remission occurs, right, And spontaneous remission can occur 1402 01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:17.599 whether you're an atheist, whether you're a Christian, or whether 1403 01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:18.119 you're Hindu. 1404 01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:19.920 These things happen with cancer. 1405 01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:22.920 In fact, it's it's it's a known enough phenomenon that I'm. 1406 01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:24.000 Able to talk about it with you. 1407 01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:24.280 Right. 1408 01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:27.480 We don't see these with other kinds of diseases. 1409 01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:30.519 For example, we don't see remissions from rabies, right, we 1410 01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:33.320 don't see remissions from other stuff that leads to death. 1411 01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:36.079 And so the fact that we can actually study this 1412 01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:39.079 and know this as a pattern kind of demonstrates that 1413 01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:44.880 there has that there's likely likely a mechanical biological phenomenon 1414 01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:47.719 that's occurring here and not a supernatural one. 1415 01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:48.039 Right. 1416 01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:52.599 It would be more impressive if people made supernatural claims. 1417 01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:55.440 For example, I got my arm chopped off in the war, 1418 01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:57.840 and then I asked God and he gave me a 1419 01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:01.280 new one. That would be crazy. There's no biological mechanism 1420 01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:02.559 for humans. 1421 01:06:02.159 --> 01:06:02.960 To be able to do that. 1422 01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:03.239 Right. 1423 01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:05.760 But we don't see those kinds of miracle claims because 1424 01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:08.480 they just don't happen. Right. We've seen more of these 1425 01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:14.039 kinds of miracle claims for diseases that do show rates 1426 01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:17.079 of remission on some level. Right, that's typically what happens 1427 01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:19.800 when it comes to health related miracles. 1428 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:23.239 Okay, you touched on that. What about exercisms when they 1429 01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:26.400 feel like a person has possessed and they speak other languages. 1430 01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:29.559 Yeah, so you know, techology, they've done that. 1431 01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:32.199 They've done that. They've studied people who've done exorcisms. 1432 01:06:32.199 --> 01:06:33.599 Mary, I don't know if you know that, but they've 1433 01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:35.519 they've done it, and they've shown that the people that 1434 01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:38.599 these languages they're talking about are totally made up and 1435 01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:41.199 are not the languages. They think that they're saying they've 1436 01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:44.159 they've they've gotten people who speak those languages, and you 1437 01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:46.920 say they're saying gobbly goook, they're not really saying anything. 1438 01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:47.760 Mumbo jumbo. 1439 01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:48.400 Yeah. 1440 01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:53.800 And if you were ever pressed it, you know, hypothetically 1441 01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.320 someone that you love in your life and they were 1442 01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:00.880 on death store, which you ever call out? 1443 01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:01.800 Would you ever. 1444 01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:04.320 Find yourself calling out to God? If there's a God, 1445 01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:07.679 you know, show yourself and heal feel this person that 1446 01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:10.079 I love so much? Would you ever see yourself doing 1447 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:10.639 something like this? 1448 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:12.639 I think in a moment of desperation. 1449 01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:16.360 I understand why people do that, because people wanted to 1450 01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:19.079 take every option they can. The same reason why if 1451 01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:21.360 you have cancer and you and you go to some 1452 01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:24.960 wu wu clinic that may have you know, some crazy, 1453 01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:27.800 you know cure for your cancer. You want to take 1454 01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:29.800 that chance because you want to do everything you can. 1455 01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:33.000 I understand why people do that, But I don't do that. 1456 01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:35.559 And the reason why is because I think if I 1457 01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:37.480 did feel that way, that's going to be a result 1458 01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:40.880 of fear more than sincere belief. 1459 01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:42.159 That's going to be a result of. 1460 01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:45.960 Me trying to do everything I can, rather than you know, say, oh, 1461 01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:48.039 this is all real actually, and I was. I was 1462 01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:55.719 totally wrong, right, yeah, because look, why why why would 1463 01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:57.480 I not want to have a relationship with God? Why 1464 01:07:57.480 --> 01:07:59.960 are we living in healthy and fine? Why would have 1465 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:01.000 Why does it have to be at the end of 1466 01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:04.079 my life when I make that change, you know? 1467 01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:04.679 Yeah? 1468 01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:07.880 And if and if I was, if I was God, 1469 01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:10.239 I wouldn't even want a relationship with that person if 1470 01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:12.920 they just cry out to me when they're about to 1471 01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:14.440 when they're about to transition. 1472 01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:18.159 Yeah, no, no, yeah, you know. 1473 01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:22.520 And it just seems to me like the Bible and John, 1474 01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:28.119 I think it's John fourteen, verse thirteen. Yeah, John fourteen, 1475 01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:33.039 Chapter fourteen, verses thirteen and fourteen, and the text says 1476 01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:38.520 this these this is Jesus talking. You ask anything in 1477 01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:40.359 my name, and I will do it so that the 1478 01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:44.840 Father can be glorified, you know. And there's you know, 1479 01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:48.920 millions of people in the past and in the present 1480 01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:51.640 who asks things to be healed in things of that 1481 01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:54.039 nature in the name of Jesus, and it doesn't happen. 1482 01:08:54.039 --> 01:08:59.000 It's just crickets. So things like that shows me that, hey, 1483 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:01.640 this is not real. 1484 01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:06.119 Yeah, I think we came about though, how you know, 1485 01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:11.640 that you know, our features people another Yeah. 1486 01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:15.560 Yeah, evolution, she said, our features. 1487 01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:21.319 Yeah, yeah, evolution. Every everything, everything in the. 1488 01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:25.239 World adapts to the to the environment that it's around 1489 01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:28.840 for survival. Just everything tries to survive. And you know, 1490 01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:32.760 and over time, you know, the body naturally, you know, 1491 01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:37.399 due to those adaptions, adaptations that we're making to survive. 1492 01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:42.600 Over time, the body naturally forms those adaptations while it's in. 1493 01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:45.600 The womb, you know, And that's evolution, you know. And 1494 01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:47.000 it doesn't happen overnight. 1495 01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:50.239 You know that evolution is a process that takes thousands 1496 01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:51.800 and millions of years. 1497 01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:54.239 To accumulate to do. 1498 01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:58.239 So that's how that's how our features come about today. 1499 01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:01.319 Yeah, do you have an a who created the evolution? 1500 01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:07.000 No, it doesn't need to be agreed created evolution. 1501 01:10:07.279 --> 01:10:08.359 I don't think it needs to be great. 1502 01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:14.119 I think it's just a result of nature and what happens, right, Yeah. Yeah, 1503 01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:17.640 Ultimately it comes down to chemical processes, right. 1504 01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:20.840 And everything works together to uh, you know, to do 1505 01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:23.720 what it needs to do so that the hosts, which 1506 01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:25.439 is us, can survive. 1507 01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:27.279 Yeah, Bree, you good. 1508 01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:31.159 I appreciate Yeah, you Jake, I really wanted to listen 1509 01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:31.479 to you. 1510 01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:31.840 Thank you. 1511 01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:35.520 So much. Absolutely, do you have any other questions. You've 1512 01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:37.680 asked some questions so far. We're happy to help. 1513 01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:41.159 Thank you so much. Uh can you say hi to 1514 01:10:41.239 --> 01:10:41.800 Joe Rogan? 1515 01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:46.760 You talk to him Joe Rogan? Okay, if I did 1516 01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:48.960 the talk Joe Rogan on truth on it, I will 1517 01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:49.640 let you know. 1518 01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:51.359 Okay, don't make that happen. 1519 01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:55.960 Sound good, Okay, thank you? All right, I have a 1520 01:10:56.039 --> 01:10:57.520 nice one, Marie, have a nice one. 1521 01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:00.079 Excuse nice. I like it. 1522 01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:04.720 Yeah, I'm you know, obviously we have a difference of 1523 01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:08.600 ideas of what's true what's not true. But hey, she 1524 01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:11.439 asked our questions, she got our take, and she said 1525 01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:15.359 thank you. That's the way I do it. Hey, everybody, Okay, 1526 01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:17.039 I wish I. 1527 01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:17.680 Could talk to her more. 1528 01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:19.960 I almost I almost want to keep talking to her, 1529 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:22.079 but I'm trying to keep it about ten minutes a call, 1530 01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:23.640 and we have like a bunch of people that want 1531 01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:23.960 to talk to. 1532 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:24.399 You know what. 1533 01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:27.079 I think she I think she got disappointed because I 1534 01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:29.199 think maybe she was thinking that if she called in, 1535 01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:31.439 she was going to be able to speak with Joe Rogan. 1536 01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:39.479 Yeah, they realized, all right, I'm sorry, sorry, I don't 1537 01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:42.800 know him like that, not everybody in Austin knows each other. 1538 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:44.319 It's it's a shame. 1539 01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:46.560 But no, I wish what I wish I could talk 1540 01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:48.199 to her is I want to know why she believed 1541 01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:51.279 in God. Clearly she had some ideas and she thought 1542 01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:54.159 some of this is true. And you know, all we 1543 01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:57.039 can do though, right is maybe playing some seats and see, hey, 1544 01:11:57.399 --> 01:12:00.439 consider this and if we're wrong, we're wrong, but you know, 1545 01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:03.479 maybe go back at the time show why we're wrong. 1546 01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:04.279 I would love that. 1547 01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:05.479 I will see that happen. 1548 01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:05.840 Yeah. 1549 01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:09.199 Uh, we are having an excellent show today, guys. I 1550 01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:10.960 want to try to get to as many callers as 1551 01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:13.560 I can. We'll see how many I can do. So 1552 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:15.800 stick around if you can, and if not, we do 1553 01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:21.720 have atheists experience happening afterwards. And we still have about 1554 01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:24.920 fifteen minutes left of the show right now, so just 1555 01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:26.760 again stick around. If we don't get to talk to 1556 01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:30.199 you today, then athest experienced folks can talk to you. 1557 01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:34.199 Let's talk to Jake who wants to talk to us next. 1558 01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:39.439 Jake from I think it's mass Jake from Massachusetts actually 1559 01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:42.920 is so, Jake from Massachusetts, you are alive? Untruth wanted 1560 01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:43.359 what's up? 1561 01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:45.800 He actually Maryland. 1562 01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:46.560 That's okay. 1563 01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:48.720 Oh it's Maryland. Okay, see it's the May. 1564 01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:50.920 I don't know all my stake codes. You think after 1565 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:52.800 doing this for as long as I have, I would 1566 01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:55.119 know them. But yeah, okay Maryland, thank you for correcting. 1567 01:12:55.159 --> 01:12:56.000 You appreciate it. 1568 01:12:56.560 --> 01:13:01.960 Yes, that's perfectly fun. So my questions from uh the 1569 01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:06.159 Comcast saw which is is God he worship the evil God? 1570 01:13:07.119 --> 01:13:07.359 Yeah? 1571 01:13:07.479 --> 01:13:12.159 Question or my topic is more so I'm not a Christian, 1572 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:14.680 let me clarify that, but I do believe in God. 1573 01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:17.479 I believe some type of gods. I don't know what 1574 01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:20.039 type of God, Okay, I do you believe the type 1575 01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:21.079 of God exists? 1576 01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:21.600 Okay? 1577 01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:25.840 So as an atheist, I assume that your belief is 1578 01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:31.279 that there is no God. That yeah, that's. 1579 01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:30.239 Fair to say. 1580 01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:32.920 It's it's hard because again, I don't know every god 1581 01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:33.960 claim that exists. 1582 01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:34.560 Right. 1583 01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:38.720 So that's why I actually prefer the term egtheist because 1584 01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:41.000 I'm kind of ignorant on because some people say, like 1585 01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:43.840 God is nature. If God's nature, well then I believe 1586 01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:48.840 nature exists, right, But if we're talking about traditional Christian 1587 01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:52.720 claims in particular, then yeah, I don't I don't find 1588 01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:54.600 any of those to be true. By the way, it 1589 01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:56.960 does say m D in my call Q. It's at 1590 01:13:57.199 --> 01:13:59.720 m A on your state code. So I was right, Okay, 1591 01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:02.479 it was Massachusetts. Cruise thrown me off. Okay, so I 1592 01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:04.720 just need to put that on the record that that's 1593 01:14:04.760 --> 01:14:07.720 what happened. But anyway, sorry, Jake, that's that's my answer 1594 01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:08.039 to that. 1595 01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:09.199 Okay. 1596 01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:12.880 So yeah, I mean somebody who's not necessarily a Christian. 1597 01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:16.359 I did quote in Christianity, and it is the basis 1598 01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:19.359 of like most of the things I know, and going 1599 01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:21.640 in a venture and learn about other things. At the 1600 01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:23.479 end of the day, the reality is I did grow 1601 01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:27.119 up and was raised a Christians, but I'm not necessarily 1602 01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:29.520 I think I should be fair to say I'm I 1603 01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:31.600 said I was a theist, but it's more correct. So 1604 01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:38.000 I'm an agnostic thest So I'm my basis is just 1605 01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:41.560 more so that do you think it's more logical to 1606 01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:47.840 basically assume that everything happened by chance or that there's 1607 01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:52.479 some type of force that you know caused them effect 1608 01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:53.199 kind of thing. 1609 01:14:54.199 --> 01:14:56.760 Yeah, I mean, if there is a force, I would 1610 01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:00.680 want to know why that force wants children dead in Palestin, right, 1611 01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:03.359 Like if there is a force that's controlling things. I 1612 01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:05.760 have a lot of questions as to why stuff's happening 1613 01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:08.920 the way it is, But no, I think when you 1614 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:10.920 look at that, and that's one example, right, this is 1615 01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:15.840 the problem of evil that be Easy alluded to earlier. 1616 01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:19.479 But if we're considering things from a moral standpoint, it 1617 01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:22.319 makes more sense that the world is a bit more 1618 01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:26.760 random in its organization rather than one supreme divine leader 1619 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:29.800 sort of making things happen. From a scientific point of view, 1620 01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:33.159 it makes more sense that there are processes, that there's mechanics, 1621 01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:37.560 that there's observable, repeatable phenomenon that's occurring, rather than one off, 1622 01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:41.960 supernatural you know, things that are going on. So from 1623 01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:44.039 a lot of ways, a god, a world without God 1624 01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:46.680 sort of makes more sense to me than a god. 1625 01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:47.520 Does that make sense? 1626 01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:48.720 Absolutely? 1627 01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:52.960 Absolutely? I think I think I could agree with that, 1628 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:56.079 even though I would still say there's a guy. And 1629 01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:59.840 the reason I would also connects to your claim of more. 1630 01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:04.680 I'm not really too keen on saying God is good. 1631 01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:05.840 You know what I mean. 1632 01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:09.920 I'm perfectly willing to accept that somebody says God is 1633 01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:13.399 equal just because I mean, and even when you want 1634 01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:16.920 to be be easier for forgive me if that's not 1635 01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:21.479 your name. But I think, okay, yeah, I think you 1636 01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:24.840 even mentioned something about old and the thor and all 1637 01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:28.840 the you know, the older guys. You know, those people 1638 01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:33.239 that believed in those guys weren't necessarily you know, they 1639 01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:36.159 may have felt like, uh, that God is with him 1640 01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:38.640 or that God is with him, but there's a lot 1641 01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:42.399 of evidence to show that they didn't necessarily believe in 1642 01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:46.439 a in all good gods like there was for them, 1643 01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:48.840 it was clear, like I mean, I mean not say clear, 1644 01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:51.880 but for them it was it was like something that, hey, 1645 01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:53.920 we have some good guys and there's some guys who 1646 01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:57.600 really don't give a fuck about it, excuse my life. Yeah, 1647 01:16:57.640 --> 01:17:01.359 and I think back to what you said about randomness. 1648 01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:04.920 I do agree that there's a lot of randomness and 1649 01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:09.319 chaos in the world. But I'm a purpose by saying, 1650 01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:11.600 I'm a trainer, so I do do the markets, and 1651 01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:15.800 I think the world called actually resembles it the markets 1652 01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:19.159 a lot in terms of that random chaos and uh 1653 01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:21.720 and the markets that kind of helps me come to 1654 01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:25.800 terms with what I believe to. But it's more organized chaos. 1655 01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:30.439 It's more like there are outside forces or imaginary forces 1656 01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:34.439 that are playing a part in the random chaosness that 1657 01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:37.760 does lead to repeated things happening over and over again, 1658 01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:41.680 and even the process of revolution. To say, I'm I 1659 01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:44.800 heard the other lady bring that up. I'm and I'm 1660 01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:47.399 not a scientist by any means, but I'm more on 1661 01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:52.279 the terms that we kind of sorry, but there's a 1662 01:17:52.399 --> 01:17:55.600 basis of math if it was discovered or event, and 1663 01:17:55.680 --> 01:17:58.399 you can kind of use that for science too. More 1664 01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:04.079 on the basis that we discovered science math versus that 1665 01:18:04.199 --> 01:18:08.319 we invented. I think we, you know, are whatever forced 1666 01:18:08.359 --> 01:18:11.319 gal us. Our ability to reason and think allowed us 1667 01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:14.920 to come up in terms and explain things that we 1668 01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:19.119 did not necessarily understand. But I still do believe underneath 1669 01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:22.119 of that, just because in everything in life, I mean, 1670 01:18:22.760 --> 01:18:27.079 cause and effect is real like nothing just you can't 1671 01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:29.600 really find out and correct me if I'm wrong, But 1672 01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:33.880 you can't really find any example of something happening without 1673 01:18:33.920 --> 01:18:36.199 there being some like a cause behind it. 1674 01:18:37.079 --> 01:18:41.880 Oh okay, so you can't find things happening without there 1675 01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:45.720 being a cause behind it, you know. But you know, 1676 01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:49.239 even if things, even if there's a cause and effect 1677 01:18:49.399 --> 01:18:52.680 of things and stuff. Though though those causes are you know, 1678 01:18:52.920 --> 01:18:54.399 still random acts of nature. 1679 01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:55.680 You know. 1680 01:18:56.159 --> 01:19:00.720 So for example, you know, like early on, you know, 1681 01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:05.600 uh science, science has you know figured that early on, 1682 01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:09.960 for example, in the early formation of the Earth. You know, 1683 01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:14.039 when the planet called Thea crashed into Earth, which is 1684 01:19:14.079 --> 01:19:16.640 now our moon, you know, and the debris from that, 1685 01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:20.079 you know, the gravitational pool from the Sun caused the 1686 01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:24.720 debris from that to form together, and that is what 1687 01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:27.720 caused the Earth to cool down from a you know, 1688 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.760 from a state of just lava everywhere, and that's what 1689 01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:34.159 formed the oceans and that's that's and it caused the 1690 01:19:34.159 --> 01:19:39.800 Earth's orbit to uh to to to slow down, and 1691 01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:42.239 that's what formed our seasons and things of this nature. 1692 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:42.760 You know. 1693 01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:47.359 So so that is in some you know, cause of 1694 01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:49.479 a divine being that did that. 1695 01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:53.359 You know, that's a random act of nature, you know. 1696 01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:57.239 And you alluded to, you know, the the way that 1697 01:19:57.319 --> 01:19:59.880 we think in our logic and things of that nature. 1698 01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:04.800 Being you know, the cause of you know, some god. 1699 01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:08.680 You're alluding you were alluding to if the way that 1700 01:20:08.760 --> 01:20:11.600 we think now, if we were always able to think 1701 01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:14.920 this way that we uh that we can now, then 1702 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:18.640 to me that that would have been some compelling evidence. 1703 01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:22.039 But because we weren't you know, back in you know, 1704 01:20:22.239 --> 01:20:24.399 prehistoric days or ancient days or whatever you. 1705 01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:24.920 Want to call it. 1706 01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:27.960 You know, we we we weren't able to communicate like this. 1707 01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:30.479 We weren't able to say words, you know, we weren't 1708 01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:34.920 able to think this way, you know. So just you know, 1709 01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:39.399 things like that shows me a gradual process of adaptation 1710 01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:43.079 and you know, evolution from that, and those are just 1711 01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:46.920 natural causes to me. So things like that don't point 1712 01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:50.359 to a god. Yep, if that makes sense. 1713 01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:55.319 But yeah, Jacob, I think I do think that's really 1714 01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:57.319 fit to start off. 1715 01:20:57.359 --> 01:20:58.600 I think that's a. 1716 01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:04.720 Really fair point. I guess I would rebuttal in saying that. Okay, 1717 01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:07.359 so take take what you said for great. It all 1718 01:21:07.399 --> 01:21:11.760 started with the Big Bang. If you do research on 1719 01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:16.039 the Big Bang, you basically like you basically and I 1720 01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:19.760 mean this, this is something that even scientists can't really argue. 1721 01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:21.680 If you go all the way back to the Big Bang. 1722 01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:25.720 The idea is that the Big Bang essentially was just 1723 01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:29.319 like everything came from a from nothing, a black hole 1724 01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:30.640 or mm hmm. 1725 01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:33.880 That's that's that's not what the Big Bang states. 1726 01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:38.279 No, uh the uh, Well, first off, scientifically there there 1727 01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:41.399 can never be nothing there there you know, there's always something, 1728 01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:45.520 you know, And the Big Bang states that the the 1729 01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:49.319 universe just expanded from a certain state. 1730 01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:51.319 So the state of the universes that. 1731 01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:54.479 The state and then it expanded, you know. So the 1732 01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:58.079 Big Bang does not state it's not a creation theory. 1733 01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:01.079 It just it stays the university. 1734 01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:06.239 From yes, and you you reminded me perfectly. You're absolutely right. 1735 01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:09.960 It started from a dense hot point. That's the But 1736 01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:14.880 you're absolutely right. But my argument is that that is 1737 01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:19.159 not necessarily like there was something before that. And the 1738 01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:22.279 reality is, this is why I said I'm agnostic, is 1739 01:22:22.319 --> 01:22:26.760 that even scientists, nobody actually knows what was before this 1740 01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:29.920 dense hot point or how this dense hot point even 1741 01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:30.520 came about. 1742 01:22:31.039 --> 01:22:34.680 Sure, but if we don't know, why say there's a god? 1743 01:22:35.039 --> 01:22:38.039 Why not say I'm agnostic? And and I don't know? 1744 01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:41.199 And that's why I should have clarified with the person 1745 01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:44.079 that I talked to before that it's better accurately for 1746 01:22:44.119 --> 01:22:48.479 me to say I'm an agnostic. I'm not really trying 1747 01:22:48.479 --> 01:22:51.319 to debate necessarily. 1748 01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:51.960 That there is a god. 1749 01:22:52.039 --> 01:22:55.199 There's much more as what you just said that in reality, 1750 01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:57.920 we don't know it maybe or it may not. I 1751 01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:01.520 choose to live personally that there is because it just 1752 01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:04.800 logically it suits me better. But I'm perfectly fine with 1753 01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:08.239 somebody saying that they don't know and that they choose 1754 01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:10.840 to live as a God. I think that's the perfect 1755 01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:16.239 like leading ground for all of us. But it's like 1756 01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:19.880 my question would be, what is that I would end with? 1757 01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:22.399 Is that something you could agree with or which you 1758 01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:25.840 stand firm or that there's just no God. 1759 01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:28.479 Here's why I would say, I can't agree with it, 1760 01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:30.800 because first I agree with you to a point. I 1761 01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:33.039 respect it, admire of the fact that you're willing to 1762 01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:35.279 say I don't know. Most people who believe in God 1763 01:23:35.319 --> 01:23:37.439 don't say that, Okay, like ninety percent of the people 1764 01:23:37.479 --> 01:23:39.079 I talk to on here don't say that. So I 1765 01:23:39.119 --> 01:23:41.680 respect the fact that you that you acknowledge that, hey, 1766 01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:44.399 this is a problem. I can't prove this definitively, but 1767 01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:47.680 I choose to believe this. I respect that honesty. Where 1768 01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:49.760 I don't meet you at right, where you lose me 1769 01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:52.960 is saying this is what makes sense for me logically, right. 1770 01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:55.399 I'm paraphrasing right, but that's that's kind of what you're saying, 1771 01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:58.640 because logic is something that ostensibly we should be able 1772 01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:01.760 to evaluate together. There, right, there's not a logic for 1773 01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:03.560 me and the logic for you, and then we don't, 1774 01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:05.319 you know, we kind of do our own thing. Like 1775 01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:07.960 you know, I don't see why we need to have 1776 01:24:08.000 --> 01:24:09.920 God involved in the first place. If we say I'm 1777 01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:12.159 agnostic about it, then we're agnostic about it. Some people 1778 01:24:12.199 --> 01:24:16.039 say agnostic atheist, right, and they make that instinction because 1779 01:24:16.159 --> 01:24:18.439 because you don't assume that there is a god, right, 1780 01:24:18.479 --> 01:24:20.840 that's really what we're trying to say. So you're kind 1781 01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:23.199 of taking the opposite stance where you're saying, I don't know, 1782 01:24:23.319 --> 01:24:25.640 but I'm just going with the fact that there is 1783 01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:28.920 a god, so there must be some other reason for that, right, 1784 01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:30.640 That's the only way that makes sense to me. If 1785 01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:33.319 we can talk about that reason, we could figure out 1786 01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:35.600 whether that's a good reason or not. But it can't 1787 01:24:35.640 --> 01:24:37.359 be like the Big Bang or something, right, because we 1788 01:24:37.399 --> 01:24:39.000 don't know anything before the Big Bang? 1789 01:24:39.079 --> 01:24:40.479 Right, we already we talked about that. 1790 01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:43.520 So so what what's the reason there that you believe 1791 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:45.319 that a god needs to be involved at all? 1792 01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:46.920 I think is fear and. 1793 01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:53.199 I can't I can't get with that. I I can't 1794 01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:56.000 understand why you would say that. And it is very 1795 01:24:56.079 --> 01:24:59.840 respectable and there may even be a little truth to 1796 01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:04.039 but for me. And this is why I prefaced by saying, 1797 01:25:04.119 --> 01:25:08.479 like I was born and raised as a person that 1798 01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:12.439 can't be underestimated because especially people have no way of 1799 01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:14.319 knowing the dynamic that I was one to. 1800 01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:14.840 Raise it too. 1801 01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:18.760 But I mean, I'm essentially trained to think that there's 1802 01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:20.239 a reason for everything. 1803 01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:24.039 Yeah, so no matter that might be a problem, Right, 1804 01:25:24.239 --> 01:25:27.800 that might be a problem. If you're trained to think 1805 01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:30.560 that way, You're gonna hammer is going to see nails 1806 01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:34.159 everywhere it hits, Right, that might be kind of a problem. 1807 01:25:34.399 --> 01:25:37.359 Yeah, But I think science kind of like whether you 1808 01:25:37.439 --> 01:25:39.720 believe in that or not. I think science back to 1809 01:25:39.720 --> 01:25:42.439 that point too, like going back to cause and effect. 1810 01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:43.680 You know what I mean? 1811 01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:47.840 Science point is there being a God? No, science doesn't. 1812 01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:50.119 No, no, don't don't get me wrong, don't get me wrong. Like, 1813 01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:52.840 and that's why I want to That's why I wanted 1814 01:25:52.840 --> 01:25:55.439 to say, like, at the end of the day, de 1815 01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:57.880 spite me arguing. When I'm arguing and the data when 1816 01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:01.359 I'm arguing, I'm first I understand completely that the reality 1817 01:26:01.560 --> 01:26:03.720 is I don't know, you know what I'm saying. So 1818 01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:06.319 don't get me wrong when when I say that, I'm 1819 01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:08.399 not saying its science is proven that there's a guy. Oh, 1820 01:26:08.479 --> 01:26:10.680 I'm well, the weird that that's not the case. I'm well, 1821 01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:14.680 the weird that in reality, the evidence, if you want 1822 01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:17.760 to even call it that, that's probably not even fair. 1823 01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:20.920 Is very subjective or objective. I don't know what the 1824 01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:25.800 word is. When I'm saying that science backs, science backs 1825 01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:29.880 cause and effect, not necessarily, it's not something happened. 1826 01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:31.960 There was a caluse. 1827 01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:34.319 That made that happen. I think that's I mean, we 1828 01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:35.039 could agree. 1829 01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:37.159 With that, right, Yeah, but I know, but I was 1830 01:26:37.199 --> 01:26:39.119 asking you, and we have to wrap things up. We 1831 01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:41.039 literally have a minute here. I gotta I gotta probably 1832 01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:43.319 end this call. Actually, I'm sorry. We we do have 1833 01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:45.560 some other another show that has to be getting onto 1834 01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:47.159 your here. It's not that I don't want to keep 1835 01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:49.399 talking to you, but we're literally out of five here, 1836 01:26:50.039 --> 01:26:53.560 so let me just wrap things up. Thank you for calling, Jake. 1837 01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:56.359 I appreciate it. You would appreciate the philosophy of. 1838 01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:57.199 Soren Kirk Reguard. 1839 01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:00.520 If you're not familiar, I think you and your Chrisianity, 1840 01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:03.399 or maybe it's not Christianity. Your god belief probably aligns 1841 01:27:03.439 --> 01:27:06.840 with his god belief and maybe maybe you're familiar with 1842 01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:09.199 his works already. But that's that's something that might be 1843 01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:10.760 worth looking into. I am going to let you go 1844 01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:12.159 right now. I would love to talk to you at 1845 01:27:12.159 --> 01:27:14.479 a different time when we have more time, but until then, 1846 01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:17.520 I am dropping your call. Thanks again for calling it, folks. 1847 01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:20.920 We have to wrap things up here on Truth Wanted. 1848 01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:22.520 I want to give a special thank you to be 1849 01:27:22.680 --> 01:27:24.640 Easy for being my guest today. 1850 01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:27.079 Be Easy, you were pretty easy. 1851 01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:34.520 To hang out with. Thanks intended, only intended, but yeah, 1852 01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:35.199 for sure. 1853 01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:37.920 Oh man, thank you Dave. It's been a pleasure. 1854 01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:40.279 I appreciate you being on here. If people want to 1855 01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:42.239 find more of your stuff, where should they go? 1856 01:27:42.760 --> 01:27:46.479 Yeah you can. You can find me on a t yeah, TikTok. 1857 01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:50.439 Yeah yeah, you know if you're If you're on TikTok 1858 01:27:50.479 --> 01:27:52.920 and you know you see my page up there on 1859 01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:56.359 the ACAS Live, you know you can follow me on TikTok. 1860 01:27:56.640 --> 01:28:00.720 Be Easy, be underscore, Easy thirty five. You know the 1861 01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:02.319 same on YouTube as well. 1862 01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:05.520 I'm about to get a lot more active on YouTube 1863 01:28:06.119 --> 01:28:09.159 just the same amount as I am on TikTok. But yeah, 1864 01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:13.039 I love having these discussions. Have them often, Yeah, for sure. 1865 01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:14.479 And if you like these as guys, what you want 1866 01:28:14.479 --> 01:28:16.239 to see more? Stick around those of you who are 1867 01:28:16.279 --> 01:28:17.760 in the call que stick around. 1868 01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:21.359 In about fifteen minutes, the Eightheist Experience is going to 1869 01:28:21.359 --> 01:28:23.960 be live. Actually, I don't know who's hosting today, but 1870 01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:25.720 I'm sure the cool hosts, I hope, but I don't 1871 01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:28.479 regret that. Maybe they aren't cool, but they probably are, 1872 01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:31.039 so stick around you'll be able to talk to them 1873 01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:33.199 on our next calling show that's happening. I also need 1874 01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:35.479 to give a special thank you too, Jamie the blind 1875 01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:37.359 Line me for being our backup host to they. Jamie, 1876 01:28:37.359 --> 01:28:39.600 thanks so much for hanging out in the background. You 1877 01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:41.960 had some color commentary to say, but I couldn't hear 1878 01:28:42.399 --> 01:28:44.239 yeah what you were saying because you were muted the 1879 01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:44.640 whole time. 1880 01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:47.640 But your face hilarious to watch. It was very distracting. 1881 01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:51.800 I was that's necessarily we're out of time. I want 1882 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:53.560 you to commentary. The one thing I do want to 1883 01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:56.920 say of all those callers, Marie work is the best one. 1884 01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:00.039 Lovely lovely coler work. 1885 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:02.439 Or cancer charity, and I can tell you from experience 1886 01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:05.920 there are orders of magnitude of people that succumb to 1887 01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:10.000 the disease believing God on their side, believe that they 1888 01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:11.800 are saved, and it's. 1889 01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:16.039 Something they consider, something to consider for sure. 1890 01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:19.760 So I always like to ask my guests before we 1891 01:29:19.880 --> 01:29:22.239 leave the show if they have any words of wisdom, 1892 01:29:22.279 --> 01:29:24.119 So be easy. Do you have any words of wisdom 1893 01:29:24.159 --> 01:29:25.880 for us before we wrap up to this show? 1894 01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:27.760 Oh? Where's the wisdom? 1895 01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:30.279 Where's what's on your mind? 1896 01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:31.000 Hey? 1897 01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:34.119 I just you know, I just I just want everyone 1898 01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:37.560 to hey, to be them. You know everyone, everyone is 1899 01:29:37.560 --> 01:29:40.880 so concerned with belonging to a label. You know, well 1900 01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:43.159 if if if you're not this, you got to be this, 1901 01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:46.560 you know, like, no, you know, just just be you, 1902 01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:50.079 you know, just enjoy life, enjoy this rite while you're 1903 01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:51.319 still writing it, and. 1904 01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:54.000 Just be you. Yeah, be you. 1905 01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:56.760 I love that. Good advice, good words of wisdom. Thank 1906 01:29:56.760 --> 01:29:57.600 you for that. Be easy. 1907 01:29:57.720 --> 01:30:01.600 Thank you to everybody watching today's show. Folks, I'm objectively Dan. 1908 01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:04.880 Remember to always keep one the truth and I'll see 1909 01:30:04.880 --> 01:30:05.399 you next time. 1910 01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:06.479 It'll be easy. 1911 01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:07.279 Bees. 1912 01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:50.199 Watch Talking Than Live Sundays at one pm Central. Visit 1913 01:30:50.239 --> 01:30:53.199 tiny dot c c slash y t t H and 1914 01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:55.680 call into the show at five one two nine nine 1915 01:30:56.199 --> 01:30:58.760 nine two four two, or connect to the show online 1916 01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:01.520 at tiny dot c d slash called t H