WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.679 --> 00:00:03.799 Okay, we're live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to 2 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:06.400 William Ramsey investigates on today's show of a very special guest, 3 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:09.560 a return Against. His name is Philip Fairbanks. We talked 4 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:12.400 back November six, twenty twenty about a book. He just published, 5 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:14.960 an excellent book. The title of that book was Pedalgate 6 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:20.039 Primer The Politics Politics of Pedophiliam and his website is 7 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:22.559 his full name phil Fairbanks dot com. You can see 8 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:25.600 it on the screen here on YouTube. But I was 9 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:28.280 looking around. I've done some research recently and I've had 10 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:31.559 this consistent kind of name pop up over and over 11 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:36.200 of mk Ultra. So I did an interview with somebody 12 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:43.039 about the killing of Martin Luther King, and the author's 13 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:45.799 name was let's see, I can't remember it right now, 14 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:48.960 but the book was Who Really Killed MLK? And mk 15 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:50.960 Ultra popped up. So I was like, oh, I didn't 16 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:53.479 know that James rol Ray was affiliated with the mk 17 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:56.799 ulture program. And then I've been looking through some other 18 00:00:56.799 --> 00:00:59.840 stuff and I watched this video I know about Sirhan Sirhand. 19 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.359 I've interviewed Lisa Piece, who might have a number one 20 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:07.719 book about that case, and his whole mk Ultra connection. 21 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:10.560 And then I really watched a really good video which 22 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:13.159 I can post here and i'll post in the show notes. 23 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:16.480 I recommend people check it out. It's the title of 24 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:19.159 it on YouTube is can you Be Programmed to Kill? 25 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:22.719 On Command? Sir Han's fascinating story and is put together 26 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:27.719 by Chase Hughes who runs the Behavior Panel. And then 27 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:31.040 you need to check out the Behavior panel too. Oh really, 28 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:35.680 really really fantastic how these guys can put people together. 29 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:37.799 So it's really kind of about human behavior, but it's 30 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:39.480 also about our history. It's kind of like a lost 31 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:43.079 history chault, which I do in some research, but it's 32 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:45.280 a long thing, and it also pops up in Chaos 33 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:50.519 who I interviewed Tom O'Neil about Operation Chaos and Jolly West. 34 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:53.439 But we can talk more about that. So Philip Fairbanks, 35 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:55.920 welcome to the show. Thanks for coming back. Oh thanks 36 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:58.439 for having me. Awesome. So for people who may not 37 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:00.719 have heard our earlier interview, can you kind of talk 38 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:04.599 about your background? And you had done an interview about 39 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:06.840 this subject of mk Ultra, which is why I reached 40 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:08.400 out to you. Can can you talk about that then 41 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:09.000 we can kind. 42 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:13.719 Of oh yeah, well, you know Honestly, I think mk 43 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:18.240 Ultra was probably one of those like turning points I was. 44 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:20.639 I was eighteen when I first learned about it. I 45 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:25.639 had recently turned eighteen, you know, and I don't know 46 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:28.800 as soon like when I first heard about well, the 47 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:33.039 CIA did mind control experiments with LSD, and I heard 48 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:35.360 it from a guy who was like an acid head. 49 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:38.000 So I'm like, this guy's making this stuff up. This 50 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:40.879 guy's crazy. And then I look it up. I look 51 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:45.520 up mk ultra and well that's all she wrote. It 52 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:49.240 was definitely a major turning point for me. I think 53 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:53.039 there's some things that you can learn that once you 54 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:56.439 kind of wake up to that it colors everything else, 55 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:01.520 you know, you'll see to date. And mk ulture was 56 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:05.800 definitely definitely the case for me. You know, It's it's 57 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:09.319 something that I've been interested in for years. And one 58 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.639 of the things is, you know, everybody gets hung up 59 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:16.120 on the LSD stuff, and you know, and that's a 60 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:18.560 big part of it. But I think it's a lot 61 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:23.080 bigger than that, you know. I think that the cultural 62 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:28.599 control stuff, like you know, the the CCF, the Congress 63 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:33.319 for Cultural Freedom and you know, the Human Ecology Fund, 64 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:37.000 you know, working in anthropology, and you know, there's a 65 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:40.759 whole lot more to it than just you know, Kentuckians 66 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:44.520 up for seven days straight on LSD and you know, 67 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:48.479 all that stuff's really interesting too. But you know, especially 68 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:52.280 in recent years, that and another thing that I'm really 69 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:57.520 fascinated by is noticing these institutes, these institutions that pop 70 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:01.439 up over and over again, you know, universeveries. Often they'll 71 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:05.120 have a BSL three or BSL four lab. You know, 72 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:07.400 that's another thing that I see a lot, you know, 73 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:11.439 the connection between like Stargate and mk ultra, the connection 74 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:16.480 between biological Warfare and mk ultra. You know, there's all 75 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:20.120 these little tangents. So it's it's it's a whole lot 76 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.759 more than just LSD experimentation, though. 77 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:26.680 I agree. Can you talk about those two things, the 78 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:30.160 Human Ecology Fund and the CCF, because they do tie 79 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:34.240 into just how broad and vast mk ultra was. People 80 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:36.920 don't know. But you'd had tons of subparts. 81 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:39.720 Right, oh yeah, exactly. Yeah, Yeah, there's there's like, you know, 82 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:42.399 over one hundred subprojects. 83 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:43.720 You know, the whole thing. 84 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:48.800 Started out as Project Bluebird, then later became a Project Artichoke, 85 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:53.600 and then in nineteen fifty three it became mk Ultra 86 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:58.120 and all those you know, different subprojects. But you know, 87 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:03.519 apart from the you know, awful human experimentation and whatnot, Uh, 88 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:06.839 there was a huge cultural control element. You know, you've 89 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:12.120 got a mocking bird where we have you know, uh, basically, 90 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:16.279 you know, folks embedded within the media. Uh, you know, 91 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:20.800 editors and owners of newspapers and magazines, reporters running their 92 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:25.800 stories by the CIA. Uh even after the Church Committee hearings, 93 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:29.600 you know, uh Bernstein, Carl Bernstein wrote the piece at 94 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:34.720 Rolling Stone about the CIA uh using reporters because a 95 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:37.360 lot of that was held back. You know, they were 96 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:40.240 fine with letting people know, oh yeah, you know, we 97 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:43.120 we dosed people with LSD without their knowledge. We did 98 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:47.399 these awful experiments, but they wanted to keep that part secret, uh, 99 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:49.839 even when the Church Committee. So that tells me that 100 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:54.600 that's that's important stuff. You know, the Paris Review, Kenyon Review, 101 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:59.399 all these major like literary and art journals, uh are 102 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:03.920 are getting c i A money through front organizations, you know, 103 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:08.399 the the Human Ecology Fund SRI. Uh. You know that 104 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:12.600 that's just just a couple of examples. I also recently 105 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:17.040 read an article by Julian Assange from Wiki leagues on 106 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:19.759 the take and loving it when I was looking up 107 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:23.879 the Human Ecology Fund, because once again, the stuff that 108 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:27.920 they were doing in the social sciences and anthropology, uh, 109 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:32.439 stuff like Stanley Milgrim's Conformity Experiment or the excuse me, 110 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:39.399 Solomon Ash Conformity Experiment, the Stanley Milgram consent to Authority Experiment, 111 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:44.439 Phillips Lombardo's Stanford Prison Experiment, all this kind of research, 112 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.279 you know, and even going back to like you know, uh, 113 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:50.920 doctor Watson and Baby Albert. You know a lot of 114 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:54.480 this you know, early behaviorism stuff, and then. 115 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:59.800 You know that was financed through the now Watson and whatnot. 116 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:02.839 That comes a little earlier, and that's another that's another 117 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:05.920 issue that that I think is worth bringing up. You know, 118 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:10.040 the the received history of m k Ultra is what 119 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:14.759 happened was we had these you know, soldiers who were 120 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:18.800 brainwashed by the North Koreans, and so now we know 121 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:21.560 that they've got this technology and we've got we've got 122 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:24.560 to get it ourselves. Now. I don't buy that story 123 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:27.480 because if you look at the Wendell Johnson Monster Experiment, 124 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:30.920 if you look at Ghsterbrooks, we were already working on 125 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.839 this stuff in the thirties and forties, right, you know, 126 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:35.959 we like to blame it on the Nazis. Oh well, 127 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:38.759 you know that was just human experimentation the Nazis were 128 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.519 doing and when they were brought over in Project paper 129 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:42.600 Clip by the CIA. 130 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:46.279 No, we were already some of the experiments that were 131 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:46.959 going on in. 132 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:53.519 The US inspired the Nazis before they got imported after Nuremberg. 133 00:07:55.160 --> 00:08:00.040 So so yeah, the the complicity of academia is a 134 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:00.720 big part of this. 135 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:06.319 It really is the media. You know, like once again people. 136 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:09.480 Think mind control, they don't think how subtle mind control 137 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:12.720 can be. And I think that the cultural element. I 138 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:16.120 think that's the reason why you know, there's so much 139 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:20.839 emphasis on just the LSD stuff, because the cultural control element, 140 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:25.360 that's where it gets really really subversive, right right. 141 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.480 No, that's a great point. And calling it mind control 142 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:32.639 is like calling something cooking. It's a general term. I mean, 143 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:36.799 there's so many some points about shaping history, shaping culture, 144 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:39.519 Like you said, in the Human Ecology Fund, I think 145 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:42.559 that comes into Timothy Leary when he was at Harvard 146 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:45.080 thinking that he got money from the Human Ecology Fund 147 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:49.200 for LSD. And uh, I mean there's just so many players. 148 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.200 Can you talk about some of the main names, like 149 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:54.879 you talked about Esterbrooks and was it the Quiet Room 150 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:56.759 or whatever, the Silent Room? Can you talk about what 151 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:57.360 he was up to? 152 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:05.120 A yeah, g Hsterbrooks ruined the mind of Candy Jones. 153 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.320 Candy Jones was an unfortunate subject who uh, you know, 154 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:13.279 Esterbrooks was looking on a way to create like basically 155 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:17.440 a perfect spy who wouldn't fold or buckle under torture. 156 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:19.799 You can keep torturing them, but they don't have the 157 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:24.240 information until you say the secret code word. And you know, 158 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:30.039 it's really interesting to me because Esterbrooks was uh, you know, 159 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:34.039 he's uh, he's influential to some of the people who 160 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:37.759 would be involved in the false memory syndrome foundation as well, 161 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:41.240 which is which is in the news today, which considering 162 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:46.799 the whole idea of creating a dissociative uh disorder where 163 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.200 you have you know, the the personality splits and you 164 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:54.600 have these specific alters. That's literally the idea of dissociative 165 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:58.919 identity disorder, which oddly enough, the false memory people are 166 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:02.399 very against the like no, that that can't be done. 167 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:05.360 So you know, it does make you wonder why you know, 168 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:12.399 guys like Morris West u or Lewis West and Jollian West, which, 169 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:15.240 by the way, I recently got, uh you know, I'll 170 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:16.320 have to email those too. 171 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:16.399 You. 172 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:19.159 I got a couple of PDFs. I'm collecting some stuff 173 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:22.799 from the u U c l A's Library Special Collection 174 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:26.759 and you know, just really fascinating stuff. I got a 175 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:29.799 couple of folders so far. One on the his work 176 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:36.320 with cults and the Cult Awareness Network and also yes 177 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:43.440 he was everywhere, Oh yeah, yeah, Jonestown Scientology, Charles Manson, 178 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:51.159 Jack Ruby, Timothy McVeigh. 179 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:53.039 Over and over again again. 180 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:58.080 Yeah yeah, it's really it's really really uh suspicious where 181 00:10:58.120 --> 00:10:59.039 this guy shows up. 182 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:04.120 But sorry you because you mentioned the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. 183 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.240 I want to put up on YouTube this document from 184 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:12.039 nineteen ninety four and it details the executive directors and 185 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:15.919 some of the people on the Professional Advisory Board. If 186 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:19.000 you look on the bottom, it says Lewis Jollian West, right, 187 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:21.799 but other names there and some of these are like 188 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:27.440 the usual suspects, Richard Offsheet, Martin Orne, and the kicker 189 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:31.000 is Elizabeth Loftis And do you know where Elizabeth Loftus is? 190 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:35.279 And absolutely yeah, I've actually spoken with her. 191 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.919 I've of course fonded a little bit. Yeah, where is 192 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:40.679 she to tell the audience where she is? 193 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:46.519 I think she just got done testifying indefensive Galain Maxwell. 194 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:50.240 And you know, I saw somebody pointed out on Twitter 195 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:50.879 the other day. 196 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:53.279 It's you know, it's kind of mind blowing the thing 197 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:58.000 that the woman who defended Ted Bundy when he was 198 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.639 just up on kidnapping charge before he broke out of 199 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:06.360 jail and killed more women. That was Elizabeth Loftus, you know, 200 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:12.320 uh O J Simpson, Bill Cosby, Uh, you know, just 201 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:17.399 all the Woody Allen, Harvey Weinstein. You know, I remember 202 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:20.519 talking to her and I was asking if the hate 203 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.879 mail had subsided, and she's like, well, you know, I 204 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.200 was in the defense of a very unpopular person. I'm like, 205 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:33.440 but you mean Harvey Weinstein, right, like you know, And. 206 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:35.960 I honestly kind of feel bad for her a little 207 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.720 bit because I don't know if she realizes that it 208 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:42.799 opposed me to world defending and I know, you know, 209 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:47.039 the the party line is I'm not defending them, I'm 210 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:49.799 just entering the science into the courtroom. 211 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:53.279 Okay, fine, but you're also being paid by the defense 212 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:57.480 of awful people, so you are technically defending them. 213 00:12:57.720 --> 00:12:59.639 She has a choice, she doesn't have to do it. 214 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:03.600 Oh yeah, yeah, it's six hundred and fifty to seven 215 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:04.639 hundred and fifty an hour. 216 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:05.120 You know. 217 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.559 I encourage people who are interested check out the cross 218 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:15.840 examination in the Robert Durst trial is It is fascinating stuff. 219 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:19.360 And I honestly don't think she gets though how much 220 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:24.440 this is going to hurt her, you know, legacy, because 221 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:27.720 you know, I don't think I think maybe she's misled 222 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:31.840 on some things. I think she's been used by some 223 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:36.279 bad people. But I don't necessarily disagree with a lot 224 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:40.039 of the science. I disagree with how it's applied and generalized. 225 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:42.840 Like the she did the lost in the Mall study 226 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:47.600 and the lost in the Mall study. They were trying 227 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:51.919 to implant false memories in people of being lost in 228 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:55.360 the mall when they're a kid, and then they wanted 229 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:58.320 to apply that to you know, can people be implanted 230 00:13:58.360 --> 00:13:59.720 with false memories of abuse? 231 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:00.399 Now? 232 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.639 One big problem with this there's another study that they 233 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.080 did where instead of being lost in the mall, they said, 234 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.639 you know, oh yeah, you got you had your the 235 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:16.200 thermo or rectal thermometer you had your temperature taken rectally. Uh, 236 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.919 And it was a lot harder to convince people that 237 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:23.799 something had penetrated their orifice than that they'd. 238 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:26.000 Been lost in them all, lost in them all. That's easy. 239 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:28.639 You can convince somebody that they were lost in them 240 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.519 all and they'll start remembering the person who found them, 241 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:37.279 if a trusted family member or something starts talking about it. 242 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.399 But yeah, so, uh, I do believe that there's there's 243 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.519 a lot to uh, you know what, what she's done. 244 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:48.200 It's you know, applicable, it's it's good science. I just 245 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:52.440 disagree with how that's it's kind of applied towards the 246 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:56.559 idea of abuse, because traumatic memory doesn't work the same 247 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:01.519 as regular memory, you know, And like that's one of 248 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:03.840 the things when I talked to her, you know, we 249 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:07.600 were talking about like pregnancy. There are people who go 250 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:13.440 into fugue states during pregnancy. They're you know, soldiers who 251 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:17.480 have you know, memory blocks and memory loss due to trauma. 252 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:18.279 You know. 253 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:21.360 She argued that it's kind of apples to oranges there, 254 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:24.159 and that there's other factors like, oh, they didn't get 255 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.519 enough sleep, and there's traumatic brain injury maybe, etcetera. Etcetera, etcetera. Well, 256 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:30.840 a lot of that kind of thing is happening in 257 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:34.120 a case of you know, physical or sexual abuse too. 258 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:37.159 If you're living with someone who's abusing you, you might 259 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:39.320 you know, you might not get enough sleep, and you 260 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:42.440 might also be being physically abused and you know, so 261 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:47.240 if it applies there, I do believe that you could 262 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:51.039 get a similar kind of state of you know, memory 263 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:55.080 loss or more so a memory block. I think, because 264 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:59.480 you know, there's some things that I believe that our 265 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:03.799 brain does try to protect us from. Uh uh and 266 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:09.039 uh for whatever reasons though, And by the way, loftus 267 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:13.080 Well also was a consultant for the CIA. Martin Orn, 268 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:16.240 who's tied to mk Ultra was was the one who 269 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:21.399 invited her onto the Scientific Advisory Boards. So you know, uh, 270 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:23.440 there there are a lot of people who I would 271 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:27.159 call like m k Alt adjacent. Michael Persinger is another one, 272 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:31.320 by the way, uh he he. He developed this helmet 273 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:37.639 with these electrodes that would stimulate the temporal lobe, which 274 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.639 you know in in like some people who are mystics 275 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.559 and some people who are artists sometimes have issues with 276 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:48.519 their temporal lobe, which causes you know, some uh, strange 277 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:49.559 mental phenomenon. 278 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:50.679 So you know, he was. 279 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:55.039 Able to kind of like simulate something like a religious 280 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:59.799 experience using electrodes. And you know, I find that really interesting, 281 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:02.919 is it? It reminds me of you know, Nexium did 282 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:08.400 some weird like MK ultra style experiments, which I honestly 283 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:14.079 believe that that cults were probably or at least possibly 284 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:20.400 used within mk Ultra I think, I think, uh that, Yeah, 285 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:25.960 you know, it blows my mind. How doctor West. You know, 286 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.359 I'm reading through all these letters he's sending trying to 287 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:32.359 get donation money for Cult Awareness Network, which ended up 288 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:35.960 being taken over by scientologists later. That's that's an interesting 289 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:39.200 side note to the folder I've got. You see that 290 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:43.000 happening like in real time. Uh, but it blows my 291 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:45.559 mind because he's talking about all these coercive cults and 292 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.440 the things that they do, and I'm like, are you 293 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:52.799 is your issue really just the competition, because what these 294 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.240 cults are doing is not worse than what the MK 295 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:00.759 Ultra scientists were doing with psychic driving and sleep in 296 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:04.640 all this literal mental torture. And now speaking of sleep deprivation, 297 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:08.000 that's another one of the most interesting things about these folders. 298 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:12.599 I'm getting from the Special Collection is seeing the original 299 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:16.920 typewritten documents and then seeing what was changed afterwards. Like, 300 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:20.279 for instance, at one point, doctor West is talking about 301 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:26.799 what is it? Uh, He's talking about how you know, 302 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:34.319 sleep deprivation is helpful for extracting extracting information, and then 303 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:37.640 it's like crossed out and it says effective. And I'm 304 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:40.160 you know, I really wonder if that was him or 305 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:43.799 his secretary who was like, now, we probably shouldn't say 306 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:45.200 torture is helpful. 307 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:49.519 But here's the thing that was, Like what West would 308 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:53.680 write stuff that he clearly knew. Yeah, I mean so, 309 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:56.079 like there was a paper that he wrote in nineteen 310 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:59.960 sixty five titled the Dangers of Hypnosis, which he said 311 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.160 dangerous groups led by crackpots who will hypnotize their file 312 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:07.319 and followers into violent criminality. He knows that's happening because 313 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:10.559 he's doing it. Yeah, so that's the whole thing. 314 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:13.880 Yeah, Hey, you know we mentioned Sir Hans Sirhan earlier. 315 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:15.960 Sir Han joined the. 316 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:20.000 Rosicrucians and was hypnotized, and the rosa Crucians told him 317 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:22.960 write down all your thoughts in this notebook and do 318 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:28.160 mirror gazing exercises. You know, I really do believe that, 319 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:33.240 Like I don't believe Sir Hans Sirhan killed RFK. I 320 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:36.319 believe that he was there in order to shoot a 321 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:38.519 bunch of you know, to shoot a gun and have 322 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:42.000 everyone look at him so that the people who actually 323 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.599 did it got away. You know, he was seen on 324 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:47.319 a range with the woman in a polka dot dress, 325 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:52.519 and that same woman shows up at the assassination. There 326 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.640 were more bullets fired than were in sir Han's gun. 327 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:01.480 The bullets that went through RFK were a different caliber. 328 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:04.279 But of course the LAPD lost the door, they lost, 329 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:07.480 they burnt the pictures, you know, just a coincidence, kind 330 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:07.799 of like a. 331 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:10.039 Huge evidentiary cover up in them. 332 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:12.839 Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just they didn't even like, 333 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:16.039 they didn't even try that hard. It feels like like, 334 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:18.119 you know, if you're going to do a cover up, 335 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.559 you should cover up the fact that you covered it up. 336 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:23.799 But no, we know how many shots were fired because 337 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:26.359 you can hear it, and there are still some surviving 338 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:28.960 pictures where we see how many bullet holes are in 339 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:30.039 the wall and the ceiling. 340 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:32.920 So no, there's all kinds of problems with that. At 341 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:37.079 least of Peace actually said that she thought that he 342 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:39.759 was a selected and he disappeared for like ten days 343 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:42.640 or two weeks or something, and she thinks that's where 344 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:45.440 he might have gone to be programmed in LA, which 345 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:48.000 we know these guys were around at that time. 346 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:53.279 There were Yeah, yeah, West was at UCLA the neurobiology 347 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:55.200 or Neuroscyie. 348 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:59.359 Psychiatric Institute nineteen sixty nine to nineteen eighty nine. It 349 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:01.839 was when he was there. But there was another character 350 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.720 whose name I can't remember, who was also doing this stuff. 351 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:07.759 His name was oh Man, I can't remember it right now. 352 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:10.519 But there was another guy around LA who was another 353 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:14.519 one of these doctors. And uh, but Lisa Peace said 354 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:17.400 that Sir Hen, Sir Hen was probably selected, but she 355 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:21.240 thought that they placed or somebody placed in all the 356 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:24.039 opportunities of where Robert Kennedy was going to go out 357 00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:27.319 of the Ambassador Hotel. That there were different teams there 358 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:30.119 with different Patsy's, can you believe it, right, So they 359 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:31.880 were gonna get him one way or the other. 360 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:35.359 One Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like you know, it's kind of 361 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:39.400 similar with the jfk assassination. It's likely that there were 362 00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:42.319 at least a couple of attempts around that same time. 363 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:45.799 Uh, they tried to kill in Chicago and Miami. Yeah. 364 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:48.680 Yeah, they definitely weren't gonna leave anything up to chance. 365 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:51.079 They were gonna wait until the perfect moment. They had 366 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:54.200 all their contingency plans blocked out. 367 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:55.839 And the whole bit. 368 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.119 About the cover up, you know, that's mk Ultra too, 369 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.359 Project Mockingbird. You know, the the control of the media 370 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:06.079 because people believe that if a story is. 371 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:07.880 That big, it will get out. 372 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:11.200 Well, it's not gonna get out if all the mainstream 373 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:15.839 press is under the auspices of the CIA. Then if 374 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:19.359 there's a CIA hit or you know, I mean, you know, 375 00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:24.240 even with John Lennon, uh, the the guy at the door, Uh, 376 00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:28.200 you know, his doorman had some CIA connections, like going 377 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:30.839 all the way back to Kennedy and the Cuba stuff. 378 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:35.279 It's you know, right, was a Cuban immigrant, Yeah. 379 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:37.839 Yeah, who'd done some work with like he was he 380 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.240 was potentially tied to the CIA stuff. It's it's uh, 381 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:42.240 it's mind blowing. 382 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:45.160 I'm gonna play this video. Let me play the end 383 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.680 of the studio of Chase Hughes talking about can you 384 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:51.359 be programmed to kill? On command? Sir Ans fascinating story. 385 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:57.480 So partnering with the mob, yeah, we know that also 386 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:02.640 for a fact. So investigators tell us that this ranch 387 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:06.279 where Seirhan worked as a stable boy, the operator of 388 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:10.400 this ranch had ties to the mafia, and that the 389 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:13.279 mafia in turn had links to the CIA from their 390 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:19.200 work together trying to kill Cuba's Fidel Castro. And then 391 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:24.839 in Pasadena, Sirhan met a guy only known as Radio Man, 392 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:28.759 and he's this guy who Sirhan met that shared Sirhan's 393 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:33.920 amazing interest in short wave radios. And they believe that 394 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:38.640 Radio Man used what they call walking coercive persuasion and 395 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:43.240 what they say is quote possibly hypnosis end quote to 396 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:49.839 control Sirhan. And an investigator wrote the statements about killing 397 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:56.319 RFK written in mister Sirhan's spiral notebooks, which Syrahan did 398 00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:00.319 not remember writing. Quote were written by mister Sirhan in 399 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:04.359 a hypnotic state and while communicating with a third party 400 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:09.839 over his shortwave radio, and thus were coercively and involuntarily induced. 401 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:16.039