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Speaker 4: We are back, We're back. I thought you were gonna
start singing again. I've learned that. I learned that? Well
that or that? What was it that you were there?
She goes, we had to everybody's busting up, laughing, and.
Speaker 1: I thought it was the smashing pumpkins. Can I just
kick and tell you.
Speaker 4: The voice of an angel? I'll tell you falling, the
falling Angel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, well man, we had an adventure. I mean,
the conference itself was an adventure, was but we had
a pre adventure adventure.
Speaker 4: A prehistoric adventure. How about that? Let's keep going with.
Speaker 2: The PRIs.
Speaker 4: Truly just piles and piles of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, man, we got to you know, you you
approached me about that a little ahead of time, said, hey,
you know what, we're going to Ohio. There's mounds all
over the place, you know, the serpent mounds there. We
and you had a couple of these things, and you said,
you know, let's figure out how we want to do this.
And uh, and let's let's go a little early to
the conference and stop by, hit a couple of mounds,
get some footage, let's look at some things kind of
you know, see for ourselves what it's all about. Because
we've heard about the mound builders for a long time.
We've talked about them before. I think it's a fascinating subject.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seen lots of documentaries and film.
Speaker 4: But myself, well, and I'll be honest, after watching Justin film,
I don't think any of those documentaries did it justice.
So I'm just saying I'm patting you on the back
there because it was. It was pretty awesome. It's pretty
amazing to be there. That drone footage Justin got was unreal.
Just some of the stuff that we put together it was.
It was just awesome. But first we left a little
early to go to the conference. We got up into
that area in Ohio, like middle of the night on Thursday.
Speaker 2: It was like midnight, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Somewhere around there. Slept a little bit, then got up
and ran to Miamisburg, right yep. And that mound was
pretty spectacular. I mean it was. It was huge, had
a big stone staircase going up. It's in the middle
of just an industrial park. There's a golf course over
at one side, and there's just this gigantic mound to dirt, know,
and you sit there and think about it. If you
don't know anything about this, you would just think, oh,
somebody dug out a pond and left it there or something.
It just you You wouldn't even think twice about it.
You'd walk right by it. But when you know what
those were, how long ago that was probably you know, constructed,
and the significance of it, that changes the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you had said, it was just.
Speaker 1: And when I'd done the research for this too, I
had Fritz Zimmerman's book The Traveler's Guide, which I was
lucky I had Fritz on the show, and I reached
out to him. I was like, Hey, I want to
get all your books. Can I just get them from you,
you know, and you sign them for me. So I
got all three of his books on the Giants and
the Mounds, and he had signed them for me. And
I had had that idea. I'm like, man, we're gonna
be in Ohio. There's tons and tons of mounds there.
I got, you know, this new camera and gimble and drones.
I want to check this stuff out and record. And
I had heard about mounds. I had seen some documentaries
from Lee Marzouli and Fritz, but never been to one
myself for actually like dug into them, you know. And
when I started going through that field guide, a lot
of these just look like little heels or little bumps
stuff that we see in East Tennessee every day. And
I'm like, dude, when I when I hear mound, I'm
thinking of like a you know, great pyramid of dirt.
But most of them are not like that. But this
one was. This one was huge and the two that
we actually seen, and it was awesome the way it
worked out, because if we only had time to see too,
these would be the two that we wanted to see.
Because they were the two largest mounds in Ohio and
both of them were within a half an hour of
the conference. So that was amazing how that worked.
Speaker 4: Out perfect, perfect. So the Miamisburg when we rolled up
on it, you know, we come up that hill and
you see it, it's like boom, yeah, oh my huge, huge.
And it's so that we saw it on a couple
of different plaques, you know, a couple different places. What
it said, you know, it varied by certain descriptions between
sixty five to sixty eight feet tall. If you look
it up online, it'll tell you sixty eight feet tall.
One of the plaques we saw us in sixty eight
feet tall. Then we went to the other mound. It
talked about it and said it was sixty five feet tall.
So but they say the circumference eight hundred and fifty
two feet and it's three hundred and eleven one thousand,
three hundred and fifty three cubic feet of soil. Now,
I don't know if you know what a cubic foot is.
How much did you say three hundred and eleven thousand,
three hundred and fifty three cubic feet of soil?
Speaker 1: See I Google searched and what I got was one million,
three hundred thousand to one million, five hundred thousand cubic
feet of earth.
Speaker 4: Now that's interesting. Now I pulled this and I'm gonna
so I'm gonna preface and I should say this right
away because you know, we're gonna have different resources on this,
and I think it's important that people see where we're
pulling our information from.
Speaker 1: You know, I Google, Yeah, this was right on the
Miami'sburg website online.
Speaker 4: Wow, everything that I've pulled from here. I'm going to
show you a couple of books. I want everybody to
see these because this is this is good stuff. There's
a lot of good information in all these. For this,
one was The Mound Builders by Robert Silverberg, which is
a great book. Right here, let me see, can you
see it there? There you go, that's a little better focus.
That's a great one. America BC by Barry Fell. A
lot of great information in this book.
Speaker 2: Harvard University.
Speaker 1: From Harvard, he deciphered the bailstone.
Speaker 4: This is kind of the holy grail on this area.
This is from E. G. Squire and E. H. Davis.
This they originally I think wrote this, and I think
it was nineteen four or eighteen forty eight, I think
is what it was. It was way back. It was
eighteen hundreds, and this book was originally written. It's been
redone multiple times and kind of re edited, but it
has a lot of their original work, a lot of
the original drawings, things of that nature in there, some
of the artifacts, tons of information in this book. It's
a you know, fairly thick book. It's a pretty big book,
you can see. And then to cap it all off,
because you need to have the reason we look into
these almost more than anything else. The giants who ruled America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pull it back a little up.
Speaker 4: Sorry, the ancient giants who ruled America. It says. The
Missing Skeletons and the Great Smithsonian cover Up by Richard Dewhurst.
This book is a phenomenal book. And we're going to
go through a little bit of this here in a
little bit. I have just some snippets and they have
a lot of old news clippings and things from starting
in the eighteen hundreds and coming through into the nineteen
hundreds of different mounds that were dug up and what
they found, so I think a really important thing. And
then to understand the role that the Smithsonian had in this,
I think is really really important because of where it
started from, what the intention is overall. Who's to say,
but I know how I I believe that we know
how it started, why it started, but then it goes
there could be some nefarious things from there on out.
But I just think it's important to see the resources
that we that we've looked into some of the things.
You said Fritz's books, and he has a ton of
Fritz Zimmerman's amazing. If you haven't looked into his books,
definitely jump in there. Fritz is Scott. I got one
of his two on the backshelf that goes over some
of the skulls and some of the bones and things
of that nature, which is just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you got the fallen angels in the Ohio
River Valley.
Speaker 4: I think is that the one I have?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got that one. But the one I was
pulling from and doing the research was his Traveler's Guide.
Speaker 4: I have the the other one the Encyclopedia of Ancient
Giants in America, So I have. I knew you had
all Fritz covered, so I had to jump up and
some other stuff because we have I mean there's so
many resources and so many things on this, and so
much of this truth is gotten covered up. We need
to take it from every angle weekend. And I like
to see, you know, Fritz coming from his angle. I
like seeing some of the secular angles. And then I
like seeing people who have some of these little snippets
of and I love looking at the the old news
articles and the stuff where you're you're pulling this stuff
from history. This is what was said at that time.
So I think that stuff's pretty amazing too.
Speaker 2: But yeah, which I'll let you take the lead on that.
Speaker 1: As far as the research, because most of the research
that I had done, oh my lunch break, it was
through Fritz's book and some online searches, but it was
on the the non mound. Why don't you I thought
it was Miami's Burg. Was just the feet, the circumference,
and how much dirt that it was.
Speaker 4: Why don't you jump into the eenon mound. Start taking
us there, because that's the next one we went to.
And then we'll start going down the rabbit trail of
just the mounds in general and everything that you know,
some just some interesting facts and things, and just get
people started on their journey to digging.
Speaker 1: Which first thing I guess is impressions. You know we
talked about when we pulled up on the Miami's Burg Mound,
it was just like, ah, you know, I mean, this
huge thing that's like the size of the freaking Pyramids
of Giza in the middle of an industrial park. It
sticks out like a sore thumb. But the Innon Mound
is only thirty four miles away from the Miami's Burg Mound,
so it's right there in vicinity, and it's very similar
in size. This is the second largest canonical mound in Ohio,
second to only the Miamisburg one, So when you pull
up on this one, it's very similar in size. But
the number one thing that stuck out to me was
is you have this basically this suburb or this subdivision,
and there's houses all around this thing. This thing is
like the centerpiece on your grandma's kitchen table. And you
have this roundabout that drives completely around this mound, and
they got it fenced off. Of course, it's not like
a prison fence. It's the old school post with the
two pieces of lag like old school looking just to
deter people from getting on it. But you could easily
jump the thing if you wanted to. But that just
stood out to me. I was like, this is kind
of cool, but at the same time, it's kind of
creepy too, because this is a burial mound. So you're
sitting on your front porch, you know, smoking a cigar
and sipping on some brandy, staring at potentially a pile
of potential giant corpses, and immediately my first instinct is
I thought of that movie poultry Geist.
Speaker 2: Remember that movie.
Speaker 1: This person buys this land, but it's ancient Indian burial
ground and they just knocked the stones and stuff out
of the way, didn't even bothered digging the bones up,
and build all these houses in this subdivision on top
of this Indian burial ground, and that's why it was
haunted and they were having all this crazy stuff go on.
But that was the first thing that stood out to me,
like first impression when I pulled up on this, but
when I.
Speaker 2: Actually got to looking at this place actually.
Speaker 1: Had a nickname called Knob Prairie Mound is what it
was originally called, and it's got some history to it.
General Clark and his men climbed to the top of
this mound to kind of survey the land. And this
was when the government was actually fighting against the Shawnee tribe.
So on their way to this Shawnee village, General Clark
stops there, gets on top of the mound and kind
of looks around to get a lay of the land.
And he's actually who the name of the county is
named after, because this sets in Clark County, Ohio. So
I thought that was, you know, pretty interesting that, you know,
as far back as the you know, the eighteen hundreds
that they're talking about just being a pit stop upon
the way to fight the Indian tribes that.
Speaker 2: Were there on the land.
Speaker 4: It was really cool, but it was just so it
was to me, like you said, it was so creepy
in a way because you're in just this it's just
a roundabout inside a neighborhood. I mean, you got just
we talked to that lady that was just walked around.
She goes, oh, yeah, you know, we you know, we
kind of just forget that it's there. And then every
once in a while something pops up in the newspaper
and she goes, oh, yeah, I lived down the street
from that. That's me. That's just how it's viewed. But
to think that that's thousands of years old, that there's
history underneath, that that's untold, that some of the truth
there is is hidden, to me, it's just it sparks
such a curiosity. But you you brought this up when
we were there, we were talking to a gentleman on
top of the Miami Mound. And then I think you
brought it up when we were just talking or recording
too as well. But when Lincoln was at Niagara Falls,
and I actually took a clip of that speech, and
I'm just going to read that real quick. Eve's all
right with you. But it says, and this is so
President Lincoln eighteen forty eight campaigning for president, and on
the way home to Illinois, he visited Niagara Falls and
found the site so impressive that he started writing about it.
And this is what it says. It calls up the
infinite past, when Columbus first sought this continent, when Christ
suffered on the Cross, when Moses led Israel through the
Red Sea. Nay, even when Adam first came to the
land of his maker. Now as then as now, Niagara
was roaring here the eyes of that species of extinct
giants whose bones filled the mounds of America have gazed
on Niagara as ours do now contemporary with the whole
race of men and older than the first man. Niagara
is strong and fresh today as ten thousand years ago.
The mammoth and mastodon, now so long dead that fragments
of their monstrans bones alone testify that they ever lived,
have gazed on Niagara. But that part where it says
the eyes of that species of extinct giants whose bones
fill the mounds of America, Now there's a lot of
speculation when we talk about mounds and how many there were.
There's reports that there was at least a million mounds
in America back in the eighteen hundreds, but a lot
of people say there's probably closer to one hundred thousand
now in the country. But you got to remember, and
we talked a little bit about this before, that some
of those mounds literally might be six feet tall and
they're just a bump, and they're people wouldn't even think
the fact that somebody built that three thousand years ago
or something of that nature. People would even think that
it's just a bump. So a lot of these probably
get overlooked a lot of these are probably right in
our area. Because these mound builders, these sites are everywhere
from you know, Minnesota to New York, down to Florida,
all the way over to Louisiana. They covered that entire range.
I mean, it's a huge that's half of America that
they covered where these mounds are present. So that's a
large section of the country. So it's hard to put
an exact number and then on the amount of mounds
that we have. But I'm gonna bring this back a
little bit. I'm gonna back it up once and bring
us back to Biblical times. We're going to talk about
where was the Garden of Eden. It was on a mountain, right,
it's elevated, it's a higher place. The Canaanites celebrated at
higher places throughout at the times. They would build uh uh,
you know, either pyramid like structures or temples that were hired.
They would worship on top of these things. There's always
been something where these deities would work their way up, right,
they would work up towards the deity. There was the
whole point was they would work up towards the deity.
But these mounds we've seen, there's different types of them right.
There is ones that were sacred mounds, there's one that
were burial mounds. There's there's different shapes and there's actually
a lot of different structures too. You went to Serpent Mound,
which we'll talk about that in a little bit, but
that's more.
Speaker 1: Of an effigy to talking with the Chief Joseph river
Wind the other day on the phone and he was
saying that, you know the ones that the style that
we seen, the Miamisburg and the Ennon were canonical mounds,
and he said, those are without fail burial mounds. And
the other which I don't know the names for them,
but the ones that kind of come up and plateau
and are flat on the top, those are kind of split.
They get to be for ceremony and ritual, you know,
a high place as you were talking about, or for
the chieftain, the chieftain or the sham and someone of
great importance would have their house on top of that
plateau there.
Speaker 4: That's and that's something that they see in some of
that architecture. Well, they'll see some of that there where
those flat, big flat plateau type mounds like Monk Mound.
We'll talk about that in a little bit, but that
one had you know, they would build that and there
was wood structure on top of it had been there,
so I mean there you could tell that's either they
had built a wood temple or they had built a
wood thing, or it was truly just a chieftain's house
or something of that nature. We can't tell for sure,
but pretty interesting that we see differences in these mounds.
The ones that we went to, those first two were
called the Adena people. You know, in that area, most
of the mountain builders were referred to as either the Adena,
the Hopewell, or the Fort Ancient, and there were different
spans of time that those people were supposedly mound builders. However,
there is evidence the Adena and the hope Well that
were intermarried and had contact with each other throughout that time.
They spanned kind of that same region.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's not their indigenous names either. Oh okay,
you go ahead, go ahead. I don't want to step
on your toes.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, No, you're good.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say that they got these
names because that that's the land that they were found on.
These were farmers and that was their last names, and
so they named them, you know, after the farmers Well.
Speaker 4: Captain mc Hopewell of Ross County had more than thirty
mounds within one hundred and ten acre enclosure on his property.
Hence the hope Well and the Adena name came from
the estate of Thomas Worthington was the governor of Ohio
from eighteen fourteen to eighteen eighteen. His estate name was Adena,
and that's where these names for these these peoples come from.
So we don't even have the true you know, what
they would even have called themselves. We don't have that
that trickle down effect. But pretty pretty cool to see that,
you know, there's there's some ancient history there. Now I'm
gonna take us to there's there was a thing in
Iowa that was found back in the eighteen hundreds called
the Davenport Stella. Have you heard of this? The Davenport
Stella was really really cool for one, well, for multiple reasons.
But first of all, there wasn't supposed to be written
language at that time.
Speaker 1: So there's the one in that ancient the Ones, the
giants who ruled ancient America.
Speaker 4: It may have been I'm trying to remember which book
that was in. I have all this and I'm trying
to find the exact phrasing from what it had.
Speaker 1: They had that book. I got it my collection. That
sounds for me here. I just can't place it.
Speaker 4: It might have been there, but I think it was
in multiple books that I had, because that was a
pretty big one. But that has now I'm trying to
oh here, it is the Davenport They call it the
Davenport calendar Stella. It was found in a burial mound
in Iowa in eighteen seventy four, and it was written
on It was written three different languages, which is really interesting. Egyptian, Iberian, Punic,
and Libyan. So we have something that was prior to
when written language was supposed to be here, written in
multiple different languages. And then you have Egyptian on there.
And this isn't the only Egyptian artifact that they found here.
You know, there's stock about that. In the Grand Canyon,
they found Egyptian artifacts, there's talk of that in other
you know, Phoenician artifacts, things of this nature that we
see from cultures that definitely came here pre Columbus. But
a really interesting site.
Speaker 1: Verry fail guy, you just showed his book trying to
think of the name of America's Stonehenge. He found a
stone there called the Bail Stone that was written in
Phoenician and it said to we the Canaannotes dedicate this
site to Bale of the Phoenicians. And Barry fail from
Harvard he was the one that transcribed that.
Speaker 4: And I think that's the one that's only forty miles
south of Plymouth Rock, if I'm correct, that's the one
that he found. Literally like they almost landed exactly where
the Pilgrims did, way before the Pilgrims, which is just
another thing that you know, and all these things get
passed off as a hoax. One other interesting thing that
I thought was just to show another tidbit of fact
that some of these people we were here before. But
Barry Fell says that the Micmac and Algonquin tribes, right,
we have the Micmac and Algonquin. They're more northern into Canada,
northern uh, you know, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota into Canada, like
through that range over to New York. They have a
limited but recognizable Egyptian vocabulary, it says, which was not
part of their native Algonquin language, but shows that they
had contact with the Egyptian people. That blows my mind.
So we see this in the culture, that this stuff
has come over that at some point these people had.
So if we're looking at the we're seeing these mounds
come up, right, and we can we can think about
it from multiple ways. We could think about the Mayans
and the Aztecs that come up with their which actually
a lot of people believe that those were the Mayans
came into the Americas and they were the Mississippians is
what that was, or the Mississippian tribes, So they had
come up that way. Now, one really cool thing before
I forget because I didn't write this down, but I
was listening to a guy who was the editor for
the editor for The Ancient American, which is a it's
a quarterly magazine that dives into these topics that kind
of goes into all the discoveries that aren't reported. And
he said that the people up in and I'm trying
to remember the name, like it's the I can't remember
the name of the Native American tribe that was in Wisconsin.
It was the something Chunk. I can't remember exactly what
it's called, but it's like the Manchunk or something to
that effect. And I know I'm getting it wrong, and
I apologize. But those people and which he talks to frequently,
he has interactions with them to kind of talk about
their history. He said, those people in Wisconsin had a
group of large giants that they would have interactions with,
they would have fights with where these people would come
in and take their women. It just so happens that
these individuals were and this this is all from their mythology,
is what is what this guy is saying, or from
their I shouldn't say mythology, but this is their story
what they say it happened with these these were all
red haired giants with six fingers and six toes. It
says that they they would come and steal their women
things of that nature, and then this this Native American
tribe would eventually ran them out of there. And this
ends up that they moved down to an area which
I'm sure many people know the love Lock Caves. So
we've that's probably the Cityka. Yeah, and that's one of
the more famous accounts of the red haired six finger
six you know, six toed giants. We've hear about that
all the time. The crazy part is that Native American
tribe up in Wisconsin says after they were run out.
They weren't all killed. They were run out of there
by those Indian tribes in New Mexico in the Lovelock
and they went to Mexico. And this Indian tribe in
Wisconsin says that they're the ones that build Tewo Tiwakan,
the temple of the Sun. Now is that all true?
But this is coming from a Native American lore of
this tribe. So I thought that was a really interesting connection,
something that I hadn't heard before. But just connecting some
dots and showing that some of those some of those
giants were widespread across this country. But I think it's
important that we go back and talk a little bit
about you know, we talk about conspiracy in this all
the time. Why is it covered up? You know? Why
are these mounds? You know sometimes we hear about these
giant skeletons and they disappear. Why is that? If you
go back, and I'm gonna have to find this little
part here, but if you go back to when the
Smithsonian was originally founded in eighteen twenty nine, it was
founded by a five hundred thousand dollars grant from the
British from Britain, the British mineralogist James Smithson, that was
his name, and it heads the Smithsonian, if that makes sense.
But it's it's it's him that originally founds as he
was a rich guy that didn't have anybody when he
passed anybody to hand it on down to, so he
he creates a Smithsonian. Now, after the Civil War, they
started adapting the Smithsonian started, you know, they were kind
of diving into these things, and they were adopting a past, sorry,
adopting a policy of excluding any evidence that was of
direct foreign influence in the Americas prior to Columbus. Now
you think we have our history books. We've heard the
fourteen ninety two, you know, Columbus sailed the Ocean blue,
all those Yeah, we've heard that for days. I mean,
that's every history book that's ever been written, you know,
that's what it talks about. Columbus discovered America, you know,
and we start getting things, well leif Erickson was up there, well,
you know, and now we're seeing these relics of Phoenician,
Egyptian Libyan descent that we're seeing in you know, in
the Americas, and people are passing him off as fakes
or you know, you know, I don't know how that
roman coin got here, but you know, somebody must have
been out hunting and it fell out of his pocket
and he just happened to have a roman coin in
his pace. Like, it doesn't make sense, right, we have
all these these things there. But from eighteen seventy nine
until the day he died in nineteen o two, Major
John Wesley Powell was named the director of the Bureau
of Ethnology as part of the Smithsonian. He went on
to write a couple of reports. They had him kind
of check into this phenomenon, we'll say that, right, the
mound phenomenon. And he his first report that he wrote
was called on the Limitations of the use of some
anthropologic data, so he's limiting what you're able to look at.
Speaker 1: They actually that Ancient Giants book.
Speaker 2: I read it.
Speaker 1: It's been a few months, but it really talked about Powell.
It a looted that he straight up was a Darwinian theorist.
And they have letters that he sent out to all
the staff and said that they would not entertain any
of these giant stories, that it was poppy that newspapers
were making this stuff up to sell newspapers, or it
was dumb farmers that didn't know how to measure, and
that that he actually had investigated a few, but it
was either lies, or the bones were gone, or the
measurements were wrong because the farmers couldn't measure or read
a tape measure or whatever. So then he just told
everybody that they weren't going to investigate him anymore, that
they were off the off the table, basically, don't don't
bother him with it.
Speaker 4: So exactly to that point, the Smithsonian actually has adopted
what they call kind of the they had a special
word for it, but like the Powell uh directly whatever,
and that the pile doctrine there you go basically just
to say anything that doesn't fit the narrative that's pre
Columbian is obviously fake or or is nothing. So to
the point where in not that far off history they'll
find things that are that don't fit the mold, that
don't fit the thing, to the point where they have
reburied them just so they won't be found. This stuff
has happened, and on top of that we have heard
countless stories of giant bones being found. The Smithsonian wanting
to investigate, and then they disappear. They're just gone. And
we hear this all the time, and I mean, I
know I have a little bit of conspiracy theorist in me,
maybe a little more than most. But there's too much.
There's too many things. There's too many news articles which
we're going to jump into here and just to say,
but there's too many things that point to this, that
show that there's a there's a narrative that's happening around
us when it comes to these things, to show that
that Darwinian idea, right, this, this Powell doctrine, the way
that we're trying to dictate how our how our history flow.
But we're taking only the history that we want to use.
We're only taking the parts that we want to make sense,
which I mean, to be fair, that's what science does
all the time. I mean, let's really look at that
that hasn't changed throughout history. We only take the things
that that help us out. Just like carbon dating, we'll
get twelve dates and and we'll say, help that one's
the one I wanted. That's the closest to what I
thought it was, So I'm going to use that. That's
just it's just what we do so good bad or
in different which it's bad, but.
Speaker 1: Which before before you move on and we get too
far down the hole with with giants. Uh, you'll meet
to finish up about the Non.
Speaker 4: No, I'm sorry, Yeah, I apologize, Go ahead.
Speaker 1: Okay, but yeah, i'd mentioned that. You know, they called
it knob Prairie mound. Clark and his men were on
their way to fight the Shawnee and used it as
like advantage point to scout the area.
Speaker 2: But this battle was called.
Speaker 1: Pequi Piqua, And I said eighteen hundreds earlier correction, seventeen
eighty was when this was. But it says that the
Shawnee was headed up by a chief black Hoof, and
that far as like the mounds and the dirt that's
in that mound. Their online source said two thousand, one
hundred and thirty three truckloads of dirt in the non mound,
and that comes out to the equivalent if someone on
average could carry forty pounds of soil at a time.
On that average, this would be over one million human trips.
And so I mean, just wrap your head around that.
But these you know, ancient people who were you know,
no modern technology. They were chipping away with deer antlers,
digging up soil and using deer skin or whatever to
wrap this, you know, soil up with and carry and
stack and pack in with their feet over one milligon
trips to build the Noon Mound. And to me that
was just baffling to think about.
Speaker 2: But it was.
Speaker 1: Five hundred and seventy four feet in circumference with a
height of forty five to fifty feet, is what that
source said. But the first recorded digging of the site,
there was this quote in the book. It says, we
found soil all the way for thirty feet when we
came to a cave of curious construction. It was in
the shape of a bake oven, high enough from a
man to stand upright in the center, and it tapered
down on all sides. On one side was a door
that at one time was the entrance from the ground
level into the cave. In the center was a pile
of dirt and a large stone resembling an altar, and
on it were bones that said that the bones were
so brittled that they wouldn't be able to stand moving them.
So that the men carved their names and the date
in the stone and then reburied the cave, and this
was dated from eighteen seventy to eighteen eighty in Beer's
History of Clark County. And then it says the nineteen
hundreds of the mound was the center of a large
dirt horse racing track, and that this was an eighty
four acre farm and it was bought in nineteen fifty
two and developed into Indian mound estates, and that the
man was preserved and given to the village of Anon.
So I thought that was pretty interesting that someone actually
dug into this thing and thirty foot down found a cave,
a burial chamber with bones, and they didn't say how
big they were. There was no comment on the size
of the bones, but they said that the bones were
so brittle that they would have turned to ash and
crumbled if they tried to move it. So these guys
just etched their names and their and the date in
the offer stone in the center of the burial chamber
and then covered it.
Speaker 4: Back up facing a monument. My gosh, and.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, you know, we were there and had
that circle, you know, drive around that roundabout at one
time that that was a horse racing track fun where
they raced around this mound.
Speaker 4: That is nuts, just the history, the things. If the
Hills had eyes, you know, or had a mouth to
tell you all these things. It's just unreal that what
that's been through over the history of time. Because we
talked about the trees that we saw, those trees weren't
there when those mounds were built. I mean we're talking
thousands of years ago. The landscape was totally different. So
it's just it is amazing to think about and try
to put that in perspective when you're looking at something.
You know, some people, if you don't look into this,
you're just looking at a pile of dirt until you
really truly know the history, which is it's unreal. And
the same thing kind of happened with themurg mound is
that I remember it was about twelve feet down they
had found a body, a skeleton, and then it was
about twenty feet below that they had found a chamber
below that, but the chamber was empty, and then they
after that they just ceased searching covered it back up.
But I didn't find it interesting that the you know,
these people were known for copper and finding lots of
though they'd use copper for different things, and sometimes it'd
be trinkets, sometimes it'd be weapons or something of this nature.
But they would use copper for a lot of different things.
And it was funny seeing the guy who, you know,
some of these places you go, you're not even allowed
to use a drone, which justin can tell you some stories.
But the we had that guy who was metal detecting
around the one mound while we were there, and I
was sitting there going, oh, man, I wonder what he's finding.
He was ballsy. I was pretty impressive. But it's just
cool that there's history there. But it's interesting also that
they'd start looking and they were excavating, then all of
a sudden it's like, no, never mind, like what happened?
Why did they stop?
Speaker 1: And Abraham Lincoln's quote plainly said that you know, the
bones of that extinct race of giants whose bones fill America.
That shows you that they were finding them and they knew. Yeah,
And all the old traditions of the Indians, you know,
a lot of them will tell you that their you know,
ancestors said that they found these ancient earthworks and they
settled there or added on to them, and even archaeologists,
you know, It's been documented that the further down they go,
the different cultures they find, and that's why these bigger
mounds were dated to the older culture and the newer
ones are smaller. And it's the same thing you see
down in South America. In all points to an ancient
race with superior technology. They couldn't duplicate it, so they
imitated it in a smaller form, which is the exact opposite.
It should start small and get bigger as time goes
and you learn to perfect your craft. But no, in fact,
we are seeing the opposite. The oldest ones are the biggest,
the baddest, and the most you know, geometric perfection.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like the megaliths. I mean, it's the
same kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all these people's found these ancient sides and just
settled around them and added on to them.
Speaker 4: That's yeah, it's just interesting. Just and I we said
that when we were standing on top of it, was
I just, could you only imagine what's right below our feet?
You know, we'll never know, but man, it's it's it's
pretty crazy to think about what could be right below you.
Speaker 1: It's one thing, you know, to see it on film.
Speaker 2: To read about it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you guys ever get a chance to
go to these places, go when you're standing at especially
you know those those two we went to. But the
first one was at Miamisburg. Man, just standing at the
base of that thing and looking up, you're like, holy cow,
the man power.
Speaker 4: Or walking up walking up it three times?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got an adda boy at one point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure did.
Speaker 2: Oh man.
Speaker 4: We had a lot of fun doing this. It was
a good time. Man. Look be on the lookout for
more to come, because we'll do some more expeditions like this.
That stuff, and I call it expedition. This is is
as Indiana Jones as my life if it has ever been.
And I I just I think it's fun to do
that and see if we can we can find some
new things. And they're through Tennessee places. We just got
to find them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know we're one is dun dun, dum. I'll
be rotten next door in October. You should drive up met.
Speaker 4: Oh that's right. We think about that one, all right.
So I want to jump in a little bit to this.
And we're talking about the the mounds here. So we're
told the aDNA of the Hope well and for an
ancient civilizations are the ones that built u which then
again we don't even have the names for these people.
You would think the Native American tribes would have a
name for them if they if they were from them
or came down from them. This is not like it's
the Shawnee. This is not the the Iroquois, this is
not the Algonquin. This is not those tribes, you know
what I mean. This is this is something that was different.
They kind of faded out around I think it was
about five hundred AD where you just don't really see
those bounds anymore. They just kind of disappeared that the
way that they're dated, they just they're just not really
found much past that date. So, just like any civilization,
there's a rise and fall. A lot of people believe
that they just intermarried and you know, just kind of
moved on and as a civilization broke down or something
of that nature. Sometimes you know, sickness comes through and
ravage as a whole tribe. There's all sorts of different things,
and just like what happened when the pilgrims came and
brought you know, sars or all these other things that
there's decimated Native American populations. If we're talking about the
Egyptians and the Phoenicians and all these other races coming over,
it's very possible that they could have brought some kind
of germs, some kind of bacteria, some kind of virus
that the people here were not equipped to handle, and
that very well could be where these tribes went as well.
Which I mean, that's just history repeats itself. We see
it all the time. And the fact of the matter is,
despite what the Smithsonian wants us to believe, is that
this is a pre Columbian civilization that had technology, that
had written language, and some of that written language would
have Paleo Hebrew on it, would have Semitic writing on it,
where if you knew the Paleo Hebrew you could read it.
I mean, that's just amazing to think about.
Speaker 1: Some of the astro archaeology even points to a pre
flood race, some of these star alignments and stuff with
Draco as the Norwerth star. We're talking twelve thousand years ago, guys,
we're talking about the Young Adreas event a.
Speaker 4: Long time ago. Now, I got one little before I
jump into this, I got one little rabbit trail that
I want to just show you. I want to share
this with you because this one blew me away and
it's kind of a side note, but it may. I
just thought it was a really cool little connection. Oh here,
here it is. So we talked a little bit about
that Davenport stella right that had that information on it,
but when that was actually transcribed or translated, the information
indicates that a ray of light falls on a specific
tone or a specific stone on the spring equinox, and
what was that stone called the Watcher? I thought that
was pretty interesting. Are we focusing back on who we're worshiping?
Are we focusing back on a pre flood event like
you were just talking about. And I think that that
is an interesting an interesting correlation just and it could
be a straight coincidence. But the fact that we hear
the Watcher and we're talking about Semitic writings being found
on here that someone who was Semitic could have read that,
is this a is this a precursor? Is this or
not a precursor? But is this something you know? Pre
even Book of Enoch where they were told through the
oral traditions about the watchers, were they venerating the watchers?
Speaker 1: Even the New new arc that that that circle and
square mound?
Speaker 2: Uh what do they call that?
Speaker 4: The I was I read all on that today, but the.
Speaker 1: What we're talking about, But Fritz just recently discovered that
the open gate that goes into that.
Speaker 2: Lines up perfect with the sunrise on.
Speaker 1: Uh shoot was the name of that festival, Oh.
Speaker 2: On bell Tane? Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: This you know there were sun worshipers and on bell Tane,
which was a Phoenician holiday worshiping their Phoenician god Bail,
who they find the ball stone in America's stone hinge
lines up perfectly on bell Tane. So that shows you
that in the very least had a very heavy Phoenician
background or influence whoever built that mound.
Speaker 4: That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: That's may first I think, is that right.
Speaker 2: Bell Tane?
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. Now, piggybacking off what you just said,
one more little rabbit trail, one more cool little thing
is Frank Joseph was an editor in chief of that
same ancient American magazine from nineteen ninety three to two
thousand and seven. Kahokia Monks Mound, Right, Monks Mound, per
this per Frank Joseph had the same base as the
Great Pyramid and it was aligned to the same cardinal points.
The that's hard to if you, I mean, you may not.
I mean it's hard to say you didn't have influence
with the Egyptians. It's hard to say you didn't have
at least a connection with whoever showed the Egyptians these things,
the same cosmology, the same knowledge, for lack of a
better word, maybe some forbidden knowledge from you know.
Speaker 2: The Star people as they call them.
Speaker 4: The Star people as they call it, or as this
stone was called, the Watcher. Just an interesting connection that
I think we make, and we can see that correlation
between the biblical and even the non canonical when we
talk about Enoch can bring that stuff in that you
can see that the answers are there. But I just
think that that's a very interesting thing that I had
never seen before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even that the goods, I mean, why else do
you find corn in Egypt? Why do you find cocaine
in Pharaoh's burial teams? These are things found in South
America originally that migrated north.
Speaker 2: Into North America.
Speaker 1: Why else will we find in you know, ninety eight
point five percent pure copper that his own found in
Michigan in Europe, in the Levant and the Middle East,
because all these things were going back and forth in
the ancient world. And I even heard an author speak
one time connecting with the Bible is Solomon during the
Feast of Tabernacles, he would accept tribute from all the
different countries of the world, and it talks about this
far off land of four or o far And I've
heard this author. I can't remember who it was now,
but I've heard people talk about it and stuff on YouTube,
and they theorize that that could have very well been
North America.
Speaker 4: So far. It's the connections are there, and we obviously
know that, and that's the hard part, and that's why
they try to stick to that pre Columbian narrative saying
that there's nothing there, because they say that no one
could have had there was no ships prior to that,
there was no boats prior to that, which they've found,
you know, uh, Egyptian they found these some Egyptian ships.
They found some things like this that were obviously prior
to prior to Columbus. But I just it's it's just
amazing that the narrative, we want to stick to the
narrative just because and I think A lot of it
has to do with the fact that if the academia
would have to change every history book, all their hard
work that they've put into their research, all their you know,
our whole history would change.
Speaker 1: These archaeologists and historians legacy, yes, would have to be destroyed.
Speaker 2: And I think David Roll talked about that.
Speaker 4: M h oh, that was that. If you guys haven't
watched the Prometheus Lens and watched the David Roll episode,
you guys have to watch that. That blew my mind.
But the you just look at this and you see
that that it's just I don't know, I don't know
how else to put it other than it blows my
mind that this stuff has just been you know, it's
been hidden for us. And I think it started out
as a maybe for that reason, we wanted to keep
our you know, academia straight and say this is this
is our history. I'm not going to change it. We've
already had all this this work we've put into it.
But then the giant bones go missing and all these
other things go missing. Is that just to keep that
narrative or is there something more to that? And I
don't know. We talked to Carrie Maday about the fact
that you know, we went into Iraq and went and
got Nimrod's bones. So I is it worth starting a
war for something like that? I don't. I mean, what
what do those bones do? What? What? What's the point
of hoarding them? So that's another show for another time.
And that is a conspiracy theory trail that could go
on for days. And as Justin says, when I get
to this point.
Speaker 1: Oh there it is cheat at rabbit, all right.
Speaker 4: I just want to read a couple of these accounts.
I'll I'll read them. I'll read one and then we'll
talk about it for a minute, just your idea's thoughts,
and then if anything else comes to mind, just roll
with it. But I picked a few from a few
different places, and I thought that I thought were really interesting.
But this is all from that book The Ancient Giants
Who Ruled America by Richard J. Dewhurst. Now this one
is called the History of Livingston County, New York, eighteen
twenty four. When Jesse Stanley came to Mount Morris in
eighteen eleven, an Indian mound nearly one hundred feet in
diameter and from eight to ten feet high covered the
site of the late General Mills residents. And I don't
know if that's the cereal or not. The mound had
long been crowned by a great tree which had recently
fallen under the ax. Deacon Stanley was told that when
freshly cut, it disclosed one hundred and thirty concentric circles
of yearly growths, meaning the trees one hundred and thirty
years old. About the year eighteen twenty, the mound was
removed and its removal arrowheads, a brass kettle, and knives
were thrown out. A number of skeletons were also disinterred.
Among the bones was a human skeleton of enormous size,
the jawbone, which was so large that Adam Holsander placed
it mask like over his own chin and jaw. He
was the largest man in the settlement, and his face
was in proportion to the rest of his body. Metal
in the form of rude metals, a pipe, and other
articles were picked out of the earth and thrown from
the excavation. So that's what you talked about before, you said.
Sometimes they'd say, oh, they were just a farmers. They
didn't know how to measure them, and blah blah, blah.
But this guy is not taking a tape measure putting
he's the biggest guy in that area. He's putting it
over his face like a mask. That is an enormous skull.
I mean enormous skull.
Speaker 1: And there's several instances like that in that book that
talk about the jaws being job ones, being so big
that it just wraps around their face like a mask.
Or they even took the skull cap and put it
on like a like a football helmet.
Speaker 4: Yeah. That that's just it's enormous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we should take our cameras and take pictures
of those articles in the book because they are like
photo copies of the old.
Speaker 4: Well, the quotations they say where they're from, and like
the next one says Charleston Daily Mail, September twentieth, nineteen sixteen.
So this is from the Charleston you know, Charleston newspaper.
First ones from New York. Then I go down with Charleston.
I just picked some spots out. This is so we're
showing that this is not just a regional thing. This
is that hole we talked about that basically the eastern
half of America, even into Mississippi. We have this. So
this is on July thirteenth, Professor Skinner of the American
Indian Museum, excavating the mound at Tonga Point near Saiir, Pennsylvania,
uncovered the bones of sixty eight men, which he estimated
had been buried at at least seven or eight hundred years.
The average height indicated by the skeletons was given seven feet,
but many were taller. Evidence of the gigantic size of
these men was seen in huge axis besides the bones.
So this is sixty eight men with an average height
of seven foot, but many much larger. This is like
whole group. This isn't just it is it's a giant clan.
I mean, you think about that. I dream of stumbling
on one of these things. Imagine stumbling on on sixty
eight of them. I mean, that's unbelievable. Here's an Ohio,
which we were just in Ohio, obviously, and this is
where we see the majority of these mounds that are founded.
I truly believe like Ohio, the Midwest, you could talk
about the southern part of Michigan and even maybe the
northern part of Kentucky as being the flatter areas in
this whole region, right, you get down to where we are,
to find a mound would be a lot harder. And
on this side of the state, if you go to
the to the other side of the state, yeah, it
gets a little flatter. And there is some old earthworks
there north of Nashville, and.
Speaker 1: Some are always found next two rivers or major waterways.
And I think this ties them perfectly with la and
Fritz's work. They talked about the Great Diaspora that when
they were when Joshua and Caleb were conquering the Holy Land,
the smart ones jumped on their boats because it talks
about the Phoenicians. You know, we're great seafaring people. And
they even found a pillar in Africa that said we
the Phoenicians, lay claim to this land because we were
run out of ours by Joshua and Caleb, the great Robbers,
and it was in Phoenician. And then I mentioned the
Michigan copper. So at one time the waterways and the
sea levels were a lot higher. So from around the
New England area there was a waterway that led straight
into the Great Lakes and that's how they got in
there and got all this copper. So then once they
got out and even in Michigan, they found carvings of
Phoenician riding on rocks, Venetian ships which were very distinct
etched into some of these stones, and that once they
got on the land, they just spread out from there
and followed the major waterways down through the Ohio River valley.
And that's why you get such a condensed civilization of
mounds and the giant lore, because they all stemmed out
from that Michigan area the Great Lakes and follow the
rivers down.
Speaker 4: And it makes you wonder, well, the Saint Lawrence Seaway
the way it comes in, and I mean that goes
straight over to that. I mean we have the locks
and stuff now where they have to, you know, change
the water levels and things of this nature to let
things through, But that would not have been that way.
It would have been open and they would have come
right through that Saint Lawrence Seaway right into the Great Lakes,
and that would have been the highway for all that
copper to get out of here. And they talk about
the amount of copper that's been mined and all the
copper that that we found, I mean, it's gone somewhere
and no one knows, you know, where all of this
copper is gone because there is there was so much
that was taken.
Speaker 2: Tons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unbelievable, man, it's it does. It blows your mind. Yeah,
let me just read one more of these. Uh just
I think it's just this this Ohio one and then
I just recommend that you look at this book. Like
I said, Richard Dewhurst, the ancient Giants ruled America. This,
Every one of these books that I showed you in
the beginning are phenomenal books. They have a lot of
a lot of information. But if you're into the the
idea of the giants and all these different things, and
it's actually funny we think about this. If we're looking
at how the giants, you know, if we talk about
those giant clans that they come back, you know, so
far prior to these more recent history Native American tribes
we talked about. If we're talking about the Phoenicians coming over,
we very easily talking about the Canaanite giants that maybe
were driven out of that area and potentially those were
the initial giants that were in this country at that time.
We don't know, but I mean that's just one potential,
you know, way to look at it. But this is
the Ohio Morning Sun News Herald, April fourteenth, nineteen oh four.
A giant skeleton of a man has been unearthed at
the Wolverton Farm, a short distance from Tipper Canoe City, Ohio.
It measures eight feet from the top of the head
to the ankles and the feet being missing. Says the
newspaper reporter, The skull is large enough to fit as
a helmet over the average man's head. His skeleton was
one of seven buried in the circle, the feet of
all being towards the center. Root implements were near. The
skeletons are thought to be those of the mound builders.
And that's they were saying that in nineteen oh four.
So just amazing to sit here and look and see
and that goes on and on and on and on.
There's so many and that's and that's just a taste
of them too. There's so much more. But we see
that these these history has been suppressed a bit. We're
not getting the full truth. And this is this is
nothing new to us. But the problem is more and
more people are just accepting the mainstream narrative and we
have to open our eyes to the fact that the
wall's been pulled over our eyes on a lot of things,
and we have to we have to look into these
things for ourselves. I know.
Speaker 2: And there was fake news c and ends back then also.
Speaker 4: You know there was it's I think the fake news
was a Smithsonian, you know, at that time. But but yeah, man,
I think that's pretty amazing. But I think the way
we should finish this up is you should tell how
you got your legend status. Oh yeah, I think you
need to finish up with the with the story of
what you saw and what happened. And I'm going to
let you let you carry this one out for us.
Speaker 1: Here, Okay, yeah, quick, I guess like a quick little
thirty thousand foot view of the story, because I'm going
to do a whole nother like little film docuseries or
whatever on this also. But me and Steve, we wanted
to go to Serpent Mound. That was our number one choice,
but the way the schedules worked out and they didn't
open until like ten o'clock, there was no way that
we could have tackled that.
Speaker 2: He was helping his father in law move and stuff.
Speaker 1: So we decided to check out the Ohio's two largest mounds,
which we just talked about, you know, the enon the
Miamisburg on the way there. So when I had dropped
Steve off in Dayton, I headed back home by myself.
So I made a special trip to Peebles, Ohio to
go see the Great Serpent Mound. And this is another
one of those iconic places. It's the largest effigy mound
in the world. And for those that just don't know,
it's in the shape of a huge serpent with a
curled tail and swoops back and forth, and it's got
a its mouth opened up and it looks like it's
swallowing this this big egg. And it's right there next
to a river, and just a really cool place. And
the only way you can really appreciate it is from
the air. And this is one of those things that
I'd seen in pictures. I've seen the documentaries. I've seen
Fritz in La go there and talk about the place.
But I wanted to go see it for myself and
had all the camera gear, and so I arrived there
on Sunday, and they're open on Sundays, but the museum
part is closed, and there wasn't a whole lot of
traffic there, but there was some workers there, but not
nearly as you know, not even half as many as
there usually is from what I've been told. So I
get there and I'm walking up and they had this
concrete walkway and this big sign Welcome to Serpent Mound.
And right to the right is a small mound. And
when I say small, I'm comparing it to the Eenon
or the Miamisburg. But it's still a decent mound, and
it's in the middle of a flat, open field, so
it stands out. So I got some pictures of it,
you know, but I just kind of kept going. And
this path goes down by this gift shop and it
curls out to the Serpent Mound. And for those that's
seen pictures or videos and stuff on it, you know,
there's that metal sky tower that you can climb up
and get a better aerial view of. So as you're
curling around, you see that sky tower. And they have
all these little placards and signs that you can read
and get information about the site. And I'm sitting there
reading one of the signs and this woman and her
husband walks up and they're just kind of looking at it,
and we're talking a little bit, and I made a
joke about giants being in the mound and she's like, yo,
you know it, and I'm like, cool, I done found
a friend, you know. And as we're talking, she was like, well,
you know, they dug up a giant in that mound
as soon as you walk up right. I was like
huh and she's like yeah, it was over seven feet
at the knees that when they found it from the
kneecaps down, it was missing and its hands were missing.
I was like really, She's like yeah, so who knows.
Maybe it had six fingers and six topes. And I'm like, now,
that's definitely interesting. And so then I asked her. I
was like, well, you care if I pull out my
camera and you tell that story and I just talked.
Speaker 2: To you a little bit and she was like, yeah,
that's fine.
Speaker 1: And as I was talking to her, she told the
story and everything, but she's like, but if you're into
this kind of thing, there's a shop about six miles
down the road, she said, called the Alternate Universe Fossil
and Stone Shop. She said there's a guy there named Thomas.
He worked with the Smithsonian for a long time and
his wife is an Indian or a Native heritage person,
and they're both really into the Serpent Mound and they
do tours and all kinds of stuff, and they're into
the giants and things like that. I think you'd really
profit from going and seeing those people. So I was like, sweet, yeah, man,
then you know, got a cool lead and another potential interview.
So I was really thankful for that. When I walked around,
and it was really cool. Man, got lots of video,
lots of pictures. Of course, I was myself, so I
was having to carry a drone, a tripod, my camera,
you know, and all this stuff. So I was having
to like set my tripod down and set the camera
up and get some footage me walking and you know,
just all these different things, trying to be creative to
get some good shots. But as I'm walking, I just
like every ten feet it says no drones, no drones,
no drones.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what the hell.
Speaker 1: So then I was like, well, maybe I get some
good footage from that sky tower.
Speaker 2: So I start walking the sky tower.
Speaker 1: They got it sectioned off so you can't fly drone,
you can't get in the sky tower. And I'm like, dude,
So I'm sitting there debating in my head. I'm like,
I'm kind of a ask for forgiveness instead of permission. Guy, anyway,
I might just risk it. But I was like, I'm
going to get all my footage first. I'm gonna get
everything I need and try to get that last or
make that choice or that decision last. And so I
got all my footage and stuff, and then I remembered
La mar Zuoli and Fritz talking about there used to
be a standing stone at the head and that grave.
Robbers tipped it over and tried to find treasure and
stuff and just being jerks like most people are, throw
it off the side of the cliff there. So I
went down in the woods try to find it, and
I found it. It was really cool, got some pictures
and video of it it, set up the tripod and
squat next to it and talked about it and stuff.
Just had a really really good time, got some real
good footage, I believe. But it comes time for the
decision to be made, and it was late in the
afternoon and there was only a handful of people there.
There's like maybe five six people walking around, and this
is big. It covers a large span, and I make
it to the head of the serpent. I'm like, I'm
going to take off from the serpent head and fly back.
Can make just one quick pass and land it and
grab it and go, you know. And there's one guy
up there at the head and he's walking away as
I'm walking up, so I just kind of wait around.
He takes off and he rounds this corner and gets
out of side. So I pull out the drone and
start it up, and I take off and I get
a good aerial shot of the egg and the head,
and I'm starting to ease forward, you know. And I'm
creeping forward and I get to what the little turn
spot is where it cuts back. So I got about
halfway down at and it told me I was out
of range, So I gotta do something. I gotta figure
out how to get this drone some better range. So
then I started walking down the path and I was like, well,
I'll just get closer to it and keep going to
walk with it. And as I started walking, of course
these drones a buzz and I'm looking at the screen,
and then all of a sudden I just hear sir, sir, sir.
I'm like shit, and I look up and it was
the guy that had walked away, and I was like, god,
I like to land it. So then I just flipped
back to me real quick, you know, and landed it.
And guy walks up and he's like, hey, I don't
know if you've not noticed the signs, but we don't
allow drones here. I was like, oh really, I didn't know.
I was like, I was just excited. I just got
this drone and I was just excited to be here. Man.
I just took off and launched it. I wouldn't pay
no attention to the signs, you know, my bad. And
he's like, well, it's pretty heavily posted, and then it
is it's like every ten feet you can't miss this sucker.
And then I landed and I was talking to you
and I was like, oh, you know, my bad. You know,
it was like, well the sky towers closed. I said,
you can't fly a drone. I was like, how can
you see this thing? I was like I see people
blind drones all the time on YouTube and he was
like yeah, that, you know, because they filled out forms
and stuff. And I was like, well, why don't they
allow drone footage? And he was like, well, because you know,
this is a burial ground. This is sacred land. You know,
it's a sacred place. You know, people come here and
do ceremonies and meditate and you know there do their
religious stuff here. You know, it's it's a sacred place.
And so I look at him and I was like,
so feeling out a form makes it unsacred for a
little while. And he just kind of looks at Me's like, well, yeah,
well you got me there. And so at this time
he I was talking, I was folding the drone up
and putting it away, and I was like, all right, then,
well I appreciate it. And I started to walk around
the other side, and he was like, sir, uh.
Speaker 2: The rules are the rules. I'm gonna have to ask
you to leave.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, okay, you know, because I
didn't got everything I needed anyway at that point with
something they didn't bring out you know, security and you know,
escort me out with handcuffs and all that stuff. But
you know, he was cool about it. He was like that,
I'm just gonna have to ask you to leave. And
so I walked out and he just kind of walked
with me, just talking with me on the way out.
But uh, it was funny. Once once I met it
to the parking lot, it has kind of hit me.
I was like, I've hit Graham Hancock status. I'm one
of the few people that's been asked to leave, sir ma'am.
And I'd say I'm one of the few people. I mean,
there's been plenty people to get aerial footage of it,
but not without feeling out the proper paperwork and taking
off from inside the place. So because I actually went
to that shop, talked to that guy and had an
interview with him, and that we had a great discussion.
But he told me you should have just went off
the property to the road or out into the field
off of their property and flew over. He said, they
don't own rights to the air. He said. All the
good drone footage that you see of Serpent Man was
captured that way, he said, because you know, they don't
own the air. He said, so if you fly in
from off of their property, there's nothing they can do
about it. But I got a little bit of drone
footage and I launched and landed within the site.
Speaker 4: So that makes you wonder why they actually have that
rule though it doesn't make sense because you caught him
on that that if it's religious and you can't do
it because it's sacred, but if you fill a form
out it's unsacred. That that doesn't make it. That doesn't
add up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'd say there's some exchange of some money,
you know, some donations.
Speaker 4: Some Smithsonian donations.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But it was a good trip, man.
Speaker 1: I had a good time, And I'll show you some
stuff that I grabbed when I went to that shop.
Anybody that's in the area and go sees that place,
definitely go check that shop out. It's often Universe Rock
and Fossil shop. He actually has pictures of the giant
that they dug up, and he even told me that
this giant was on display all the way up till
nineteen ninety when they passed that Indian sacred bill or
whatever about returning the bones and not disturbing their sites
and stuff.
Speaker 2: But check him out. That's him.
Speaker 1: And that was what was found in that canonical mound,
and it was on display till nineteen ninety, so it's
pretty cool. So they had these on postcar cards, so
I bought a bunch of them. I made sure I
got one for Steve and for Ben, and he had
some other cool postcards too, and he only wanted like
fifty cents for these. So there's a drone shot of
its full length. So I took off from up here
and I made it about right here, and there's the
curve that he went around when I thought that he
was gone, but he heard the buzzing of the drone
and came running back. I really wanted to get some
drone footage of that. That was really cool, that coiled tail.
But there was also this, and I was like, man,
let's just crop circle, and he was like, this was
a crop circle found on August twenty fourth and two
thousand and three. It was two hundred and seventy one
feet from the top of the large ring to the
bat them of the small ring circle, all oriented east
to west. And he said that that popped up in
the field across from a serpent mound. And then he
had this when this was pretty cool, and this was
an alternative theory that I hadn't heard before because I
always heard La Marzouli's theory. You know that it's the
serpent eating the egg, and it goes back to Genesis
three fifteen. You know, the seed war, and I had
also thought, I'm like, well, there's a lot of mythology
that talks about a world serpent putting forth the cosmic egg,
you know, creation. So I sometimes wondered if it was
actually puking or spinning up the egg like creation maybe
instead of it actually trying to eat it.
Speaker 2: And I won't spoil.
Speaker 1: The whole interpretation because the interview I gave, he pulls
up this diagram and gives this whole lecture on why
it is what he's saying that he thinks it is,
and it's pretty cool how he lays it out.
Speaker 2: But so here you have the alignments.
Speaker 1: You got the summer solstice right here, and then you
got the summer solstice rise, the equinox, and all these
different things that line up with the curls of the serpent.
But you notice there he's got a turtle, and he
said that that oval is the turtle shell, and that
in the original construction there was mounds at these limbs,
and that little dot at the tip of the egg
it looks kind of like a triangle, was the head
of the turtle.
Speaker 4: Was that standing stone part of that.
Speaker 1: The standing stone? I can't remember. I have to look
it up either the standing stone was either inside of
the shell or inside of the dot at the head,
one of the two places.
Speaker 4: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he said, And this interpretation matches the Indian
traditions that they talk about, he said, And it represents
the serpent was South America, the feathered plume serpent coming
up from South America, and the turtle is representative of
North America. And so it's basically showing that Quasi Kettle
was coming up and consuming North America and with it
bringing corn because he was the corn god. But yeah,
it was definitely an interesting conversation that I had with them.
Speaker 4: So that's awesome.
Speaker 2: I just got that to look forward to.
Speaker 4: All right, well, listen, guys, this is this trip was
awesome for us. We we we obviously got to see
something that we were really interested in and and something
I know I had been looking forward to seeing a
lot of these things I missed out on Serpent Mound,
which I'm disappointed. I will play a second fiddle in
the royalty phase of the of the dig here because
we got Graham Hancock status over there. But man, it
was it was an awesome trip. We got to see
some really cool things, And there is so many books
and so many resources, and we shared a lot of
those things. Look into Fritz's book looking to do hers,
looking to a squire, Look into all these different books,
the different stuff. There's so much information into this, and
then figure out for yourself what you believe in this
and and your your theories on these things. But I'll
tell you it's a rabbit trail at does not end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's then got me thinking about the.
Speaker 2: The next trip where'll be go on and stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh and this is one of my things that I
picked up from his shop.
Speaker 4: Is that petrified wood?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a rock.
Speaker 1: And see when I seen it, it reminded me of
when I went to meet Richard Reeves. I actually got
to hold a piece of Noah's arc that would belong
to Ron Whitatt.
Speaker 2: And it was just like this.
Speaker 1: It was like a like a stone or a rock,
but it was a lot bigger. But I got that,
And then I got my first erawhead or spear.
Speaker 4: That's cool.
Speaker 2: But he's got all that stuff there.
Speaker 1: But he said he thought it was originally a spear,
but I can't remember what he called it. He said,
but he thinks that they later whittled it down and
what I can't remember what he said, but he was
holding it like this and and and doing this. So
I don't know if he's talking about as a scraper
or what. But my first little arrowhead or spear that's cool,
or my collection of old stuff. Definitely check out check
out his shop if you're in the area.
Speaker 4: Well, guys, thanks for listening, Thanks for digging in with
us and and really searching for that that lost truth,
that ancient truth that we all know started with God
and the Guard to Eden and it's all been trickling
down from there. But as always, guys.
Speaker 2: Keep digging.
Speaker 3: Beast by name, they say, the trips will costume friends
can't find me. Somebody agents the same re who has
a softer face, swim fires.
Speaker 1: Let be