1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: The disclaimer to the fair season. Karen's out there, how 2 00:00:03,399 --> 00:00:05,759 dare you? All guests on the show do not reflect 3 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:09,320 the opinions of the host. The purpose of the show 4 00:00:09,439 --> 00:00:11,759 is to have interesting conversations, stretch our minds and grow, 5 00:00:12,279 --> 00:00:14,919 not what we want. If you are looking for an 6 00:00:14,919 --> 00:00:18,440 echo chamber, you are and listener discretion's. 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: As you talking about extreme. 8 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:29,399 Speaker 3: Ledge, we will. 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 4: Guilty from the supper. 10 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 3: They don't fear the questions. 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:35,399 Speaker 4: They fear the. 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 3: So we see, they come, thank you. 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 4: They erasy, but. 14 00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: The dark on the show? 15 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:03,479 Speaker 4: What real? 16 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 2: What is going on? 17 00:01:07,519 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: All my local guys and gasps and long distance pals? 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:20,519 Speaker 4: We are back, We're back. I thought you were gonna 19 00:01:20,519 --> 00:01:26,560 start singing again. I've learned that. I learned that? Well 20 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,040 that or that? What was it that you were there? 21 00:01:30,359 --> 00:01:34,439 She goes, we had to everybody's busting up, laughing, and. 22 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:43,439 Speaker 1: I thought it was the smashing pumpkins. Can I just 23 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:45,040 kick and tell you. 24 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,439 Speaker 4: The voice of an angel? I'll tell you falling, the 25 00:01:52,519 --> 00:01:53,200 falling Angel. 26 00:01:53,359 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, well man, we had an adventure. I mean, 27 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:05,000 the conference itself was an adventure, was but we had 28 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,039 a pre adventure adventure. 29 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 4: A prehistoric adventure. How about that? Let's keep going with. 30 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:14,719 Speaker 2: The PRIs. 31 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 4: Truly just piles and piles of fun. 32 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 33 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 4: But yeah, man, we got to you know, you you 34 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,159 approached me about that a little ahead of time, said, hey, 35 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:32,360 you know what, we're going to Ohio. There's mounds all 36 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,039 over the place, you know, the serpent mounds there. We 37 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,439 and you had a couple of these things, and you said, 38 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:40,360 you know, let's figure out how we want to do this. 39 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,479 And uh, and let's let's go a little early to 40 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,560 the conference and stop by, hit a couple of mounds, 41 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:48,960 get some footage, let's look at some things kind of 42 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,400 you know, see for ourselves what it's all about. Because 43 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,280 we've heard about the mound builders for a long time. 44 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:56,120 We've talked about them before. I think it's a fascinating subject. 45 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, seen lots of documentaries and film. 46 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 4: But myself, well, and I'll be honest, after watching Justin film, 47 00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:08,039 I don't think any of those documentaries did it justice. 48 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,919 So I'm just saying I'm patting you on the back 49 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,599 there because it was. It was pretty awesome. It's pretty 50 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:18,840 amazing to be there. That drone footage Justin got was unreal. 51 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:22,680 Just some of the stuff that we put together it was. 52 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:28,360 It was just awesome. But first we left a little 53 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,319 early to go to the conference. We got up into 54 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,080 that area in Ohio, like middle of the night on Thursday. 55 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: It was like midnight, Yeah. 56 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 4: Somewhere around there. Slept a little bit, then got up 57 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:46,000 and ran to Miamisburg, right yep. And that mound was 58 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:49,560 pretty spectacular. I mean it was. It was huge, had 59 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:52,439 a big stone staircase going up. It's in the middle 60 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:55,879 of just an industrial park. There's a golf course over 61 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,199 at one side, and there's just this gigantic mound to dirt, know, 62 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,719 and you sit there and think about it. If you 63 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,199 don't know anything about this, you would just think, oh, 64 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:09,280 somebody dug out a pond and left it there or something. 65 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:11,120 It just you You wouldn't even think twice about it. 66 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,719 You'd walk right by it. But when you know what 67 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:21,000 those were, how long ago that was probably you know, constructed, 68 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,600 and the significance of it, that changes the game. 69 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, like you had said, it was just. 70 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: And when I'd done the research for this too, I 71 00:04:31,519 --> 00:04:36,600 had Fritz Zimmerman's book The Traveler's Guide, which I was 72 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,480 lucky I had Fritz on the show, and I reached 73 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:41,959 out to him. I was like, Hey, I want to 74 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,000 get all your books. Can I just get them from you, 75 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,639 you know, and you sign them for me. So I 76 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,560 got all three of his books on the Giants and 77 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,199 the Mounds, and he had signed them for me. And 78 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,120 I had had that idea. I'm like, man, we're gonna 79 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,639 be in Ohio. There's tons and tons of mounds there. 80 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,319 I got, you know, this new camera and gimble and drones. 81 00:05:07,519 --> 00:05:11,480 I want to check this stuff out and record. And 82 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:17,240 I had heard about mounds. I had seen some documentaries 83 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,600 from Lee Marzouli and Fritz, but never been to one 84 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:27,120 myself for actually like dug into them, you know. And 85 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,000 when I started going through that field guide, a lot 86 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:33,920 of these just look like little heels or little bumps 87 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,560 stuff that we see in East Tennessee every day. And 88 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,519 I'm like, dude, when I when I hear mound, I'm 89 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,120 thinking of like a you know, great pyramid of dirt. 90 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,639 But most of them are not like that. But this 91 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,639 one was. This one was huge and the two that 92 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,920 we actually seen, and it was awesome the way it 93 00:05:57,959 --> 00:06:01,600 worked out, because if we only had time to see too, 94 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,839 these would be the two that we wanted to see. 95 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:08,399 Because they were the two largest mounds in Ohio and 96 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,759 both of them were within a half an hour of 97 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,959 the conference. So that was amazing how that worked. 98 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 4: Out perfect, perfect. So the Miamisburg when we rolled up 99 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:22,519 on it, you know, we come up that hill and 100 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,439 you see it, it's like boom, yeah, oh my huge, huge. 101 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,199 And it's so that we saw it on a couple 102 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:32,639 of different plaques, you know, a couple different places. What 103 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:39,959 it said, you know, it varied by certain descriptions between 104 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,720 sixty five to sixty eight feet tall. If you look 105 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:47,439 it up online, it'll tell you sixty eight feet tall. 106 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,120 One of the plaques we saw us in sixty eight 107 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,879 feet tall. Then we went to the other mound. It 108 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:52,879 talked about it and said it was sixty five feet tall. 109 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,160 So but they say the circumference eight hundred and fifty 110 00:06:57,199 --> 00:07:00,639 two feet and it's three hundred and eleven one thousand, 111 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,120 three hundred and fifty three cubic feet of soil. Now, 112 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,600 I don't know if you know what a cubic foot is. 113 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:13,120 How much did you say three hundred and eleven thousand, 114 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,879 three hundred and fifty three cubic feet of soil? 115 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:22,199 Speaker 1: See I Google searched and what I got was one million, 116 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:29,040 three hundred thousand to one million, five hundred thousand cubic 117 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:29,920 feet of earth. 118 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,399 Speaker 4: Now that's interesting. Now I pulled this and I'm gonna 119 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:36,680 so I'm gonna preface and I should say this right 120 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,199 away because you know, we're gonna have different resources on this, 121 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,920 and I think it's important that people see where we're 122 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,160 pulling our information from. 123 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: You know, I Google, Yeah, this was right on the 124 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,240 Miami'sburg website online. 125 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 4: Wow, everything that I've pulled from here. I'm going to 126 00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:55,839 show you a couple of books. I want everybody to 127 00:07:55,879 --> 00:07:57,800 see these because this is this is good stuff. There's 128 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,120 a lot of good information in all these. For this, 129 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,199 one was The Mound Builders by Robert Silverberg, which is 130 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,199 a great book. Right here, let me see, can you 131 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,959 see it there? There you go, that's a little better focus. 132 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:16,600 That's a great one. America BC by Barry Fell. A 133 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:18,439 lot of great information in this book. 134 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:19,759 Speaker 2: Harvard University. 135 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: From Harvard, he deciphered the bailstone. 136 00:08:27,519 --> 00:08:31,079 Speaker 4: This is kind of the holy grail on this area. 137 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,759 This is from E. G. Squire and E. H. Davis. 138 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:37,559 This they originally I think wrote this, and I think 139 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,159 it was nineteen four or eighteen forty eight, I think 140 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:41,600 is what it was. It was way back. It was 141 00:08:41,639 --> 00:08:44,639 eighteen hundreds, and this book was originally written. It's been 142 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,279 redone multiple times and kind of re edited, but it 143 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,080 has a lot of their original work, a lot of 144 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,840 the original drawings, things of that nature in there, some 145 00:08:51,879 --> 00:08:55,399 of the artifacts, tons of information in this book. It's 146 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,879 a you know, fairly thick book. It's a pretty big book, 147 00:08:57,919 --> 00:09:00,799 you can see. And then to cap it all off, 148 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:05,559 because you need to have the reason we look into 149 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:11,879 these almost more than anything else. The giants who ruled America. 150 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, pull it back a little up. 151 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 4: Sorry, the ancient giants who ruled America. It says. The 152 00:09:17,759 --> 00:09:22,600 Missing Skeletons and the Great Smithsonian cover Up by Richard Dewhurst. 153 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,720 This book is a phenomenal book. And we're going to 154 00:09:27,799 --> 00:09:29,200 go through a little bit of this here in a 155 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,399 little bit. I have just some snippets and they have 156 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,000 a lot of old news clippings and things from starting 157 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,720 in the eighteen hundreds and coming through into the nineteen 158 00:09:38,799 --> 00:09:41,399 hundreds of different mounds that were dug up and what 159 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:45,240 they found, so I think a really important thing. And 160 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:49,559 then to understand the role that the Smithsonian had in this, 161 00:09:49,639 --> 00:09:52,519 I think is really really important because of where it 162 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:57,840 started from, what the intention is overall. Who's to say, 163 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,559 but I know how I I believe that we know 164 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:04,279 how it started, why it started, but then it goes 165 00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:07,200 there could be some nefarious things from there on out. 166 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,000 But I just think it's important to see the resources 167 00:10:14,039 --> 00:10:16,399 that we that we've looked into some of the things. 168 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,759 You said Fritz's books, and he has a ton of 169 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,320 Fritz Zimmerman's amazing. If you haven't looked into his books, 170 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:26,960 definitely jump in there. Fritz is Scott. I got one 171 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,159 of his two on the backshelf that goes over some 172 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,399 of the skulls and some of the bones and things 173 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:34,639 of that nature, which is just. 174 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:37,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you got the fallen angels in the Ohio 175 00:10:38,039 --> 00:10:38,799 River Valley. 176 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 4: I think is that the one I have? 177 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got that one. But the one I was 178 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,159 pulling from and doing the research was his Traveler's Guide. 179 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 4: I have the the other one the Encyclopedia of Ancient 180 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,600 Giants in America, So I have. I knew you had 181 00:10:57,639 --> 00:11:00,240 all Fritz covered, so I had to jump up and 182 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:03,320 some other stuff because we have I mean there's so 183 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,519 many resources and so many things on this, and so 184 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,480 much of this truth is gotten covered up. We need 185 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:09,320 to take it from every angle weekend. And I like 186 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,639 to see, you know, Fritz coming from his angle. I 187 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,559 like seeing some of the secular angles. And then I 188 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,240 like seeing people who have some of these little snippets 189 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:23,120 of and I love looking at the the old news 190 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,559 articles and the stuff where you're you're pulling this stuff 191 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,360 from history. This is what was said at that time. 192 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:30,919 So I think that stuff's pretty amazing too. 193 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, which I'll let you take the lead on that. 194 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: As far as the research, because most of the research 195 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,799 that I had done, oh my lunch break, it was 196 00:11:47,639 --> 00:11:50,840 through Fritz's book and some online searches, but it was 197 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:55,720 on the the non mound. Why don't you I thought 198 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,639 it was Miami's Burg. Was just the feet, the circumference, 199 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,720 and how much dirt that it was. 200 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 4: Why don't you jump into the eenon mound. Start taking 201 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,279 us there, because that's the next one we went to. 202 00:12:10,919 --> 00:12:13,279 And then we'll start going down the rabbit trail of 203 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:16,919 just the mounds in general and everything that you know, 204 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,080 some just some interesting facts and things, and just get 205 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,759 people started on their journey to digging. 206 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: Which first thing I guess is impressions. You know we 207 00:12:29,879 --> 00:12:32,320 talked about when we pulled up on the Miami's Burg Mound, 208 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:35,080 it was just like, ah, you know, I mean, this 209 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,080 huge thing that's like the size of the freaking Pyramids 210 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,480 of Giza in the middle of an industrial park. It 211 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:46,320 sticks out like a sore thumb. But the Innon Mound 212 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:51,919 is only thirty four miles away from the Miami's Burg Mound, 213 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,240 so it's right there in vicinity, and it's very similar 214 00:12:57,279 --> 00:13:03,279 in size. This is the second largest canonical mound in Ohio, 215 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:08,200 second to only the Miamisburg one, So when you pull 216 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,080 up on this one, it's very similar in size. But 217 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,279 the number one thing that stuck out to me was 218 00:13:17,159 --> 00:13:21,519 is you have this basically this suburb or this subdivision, 219 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:26,279 and there's houses all around this thing. This thing is 220 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:33,320 like the centerpiece on your grandma's kitchen table. And you 221 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:41,240 have this roundabout that drives completely around this mound, and 222 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:44,320 they got it fenced off. Of course, it's not like 223 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:49,399 a prison fence. It's the old school post with the 224 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,720 two pieces of lag like old school looking just to 225 00:13:53,759 --> 00:13:58,000 deter people from getting on it. But you could easily 226 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,720 jump the thing if you wanted to. But that just 227 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,440 stood out to me. I was like, this is kind 228 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,600 of cool, but at the same time, it's kind of 229 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:12,440 creepy too, because this is a burial mound. So you're 230 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,879 sitting on your front porch, you know, smoking a cigar 231 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,120 and sipping on some brandy, staring at potentially a pile 232 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:28,600 of potential giant corpses, and immediately my first instinct is 233 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:30,440 I thought of that movie poultry Geist. 234 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:32,879 Speaker 2: Remember that movie. 235 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: This person buys this land, but it's ancient Indian burial 236 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:41,759 ground and they just knocked the stones and stuff out 237 00:14:41,799 --> 00:14:44,159 of the way, didn't even bothered digging the bones up, 238 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,960 and build all these houses in this subdivision on top 239 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,519 of this Indian burial ground, and that's why it was 240 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:53,879 haunted and they were having all this crazy stuff go on. 241 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,759 But that was the first thing that stood out to me, 242 00:14:57,759 --> 00:15:01,759 like first impression when I pulled up on this, but 243 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:02,559 when I. 244 00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: Actually got to looking at this place actually. 245 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:11,879 Speaker 1: Had a nickname called Knob Prairie Mound is what it 246 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:16,120 was originally called, and it's got some history to it. 247 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,919 General Clark and his men climbed to the top of 248 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,639 this mound to kind of survey the land. And this 249 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:32,200 was when the government was actually fighting against the Shawnee tribe. 250 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:37,399 So on their way to this Shawnee village, General Clark 251 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,519 stops there, gets on top of the mound and kind 252 00:15:40,519 --> 00:15:43,360 of looks around to get a lay of the land. 253 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,639 And he's actually who the name of the county is 254 00:15:47,759 --> 00:15:52,519 named after, because this sets in Clark County, Ohio. So 255 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,639 I thought that was, you know, pretty interesting that, you know, 256 00:15:55,679 --> 00:16:00,000 as far back as the you know, the eighteen hundreds 257 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,720 that they're talking about just being a pit stop upon 258 00:16:04,799 --> 00:16:08,120 the way to fight the Indian tribes that. 259 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,559 Speaker 2: Were there on the land. 260 00:16:10,759 --> 00:16:13,039 Speaker 4: It was really cool, but it was just so it 261 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,440 was to me, like you said, it was so creepy 262 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,919 in a way because you're in just this it's just 263 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,399 a roundabout inside a neighborhood. I mean, you got just 264 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:25,600 we talked to that lady that was just walked around. 265 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:27,399 She goes, oh, yeah, you know, we you know, we 266 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,120 kind of just forget that it's there. And then every 267 00:16:31,159 --> 00:16:32,919 once in a while something pops up in the newspaper 268 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,480 and she goes, oh, yeah, I lived down the street 269 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,519 from that. That's me. That's just how it's viewed. But 270 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,360 to think that that's thousands of years old, that there's 271 00:16:41,559 --> 00:16:47,679 history underneath, that that's untold, that some of the truth 272 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:53,080 there is is hidden, to me, it's just it sparks 273 00:16:53,159 --> 00:16:57,159 such a curiosity. But you you brought this up when 274 00:16:57,159 --> 00:16:59,120 we were there, we were talking to a gentleman on 275 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:02,879 top of the Miami Mound. And then I think you 276 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,920 brought it up when we were just talking or recording 277 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:10,440 too as well. But when Lincoln was at Niagara Falls, 278 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,200 and I actually took a clip of that speech, and 279 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,799 I'm just going to read that real quick. Eve's all 280 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:19,000 right with you. But it says, and this is so 281 00:17:19,519 --> 00:17:27,000 President Lincoln eighteen forty eight campaigning for president, and on 282 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:29,480 the way home to Illinois, he visited Niagara Falls and 283 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,039 found the site so impressive that he started writing about it. 284 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,079 And this is what it says. It calls up the 285 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,880 infinite past, when Columbus first sought this continent, when Christ 286 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,640 suffered on the Cross, when Moses led Israel through the 287 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,720 Red Sea. Nay, even when Adam first came to the 288 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:53,920 land of his maker. Now as then as now, Niagara 289 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,119 was roaring here the eyes of that species of extinct 290 00:17:58,319 --> 00:18:02,839 giants whose bones filled the mounds of America have gazed 291 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,559 on Niagara as ours do now contemporary with the whole 292 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,440 race of men and older than the first man. Niagara 293 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:15,359 is strong and fresh today as ten thousand years ago. 294 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,960 The mammoth and mastodon, now so long dead that fragments 295 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,079 of their monstrans bones alone testify that they ever lived, 296 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:28,000 have gazed on Niagara. But that part where it says 297 00:18:28,039 --> 00:18:31,680 the eyes of that species of extinct giants whose bones 298 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:37,240 fill the mounds of America, Now there's a lot of 299 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:43,400 speculation when we talk about mounds and how many there were. 300 00:18:43,279 --> 00:18:47,519 There's reports that there was at least a million mounds 301 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:51,359 in America back in the eighteen hundreds, but a lot 302 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,599 of people say there's probably closer to one hundred thousand 303 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,000 now in the country. But you got to remember, and 304 00:18:56,079 --> 00:18:57,759 we talked a little bit about this before, that some 305 00:18:57,799 --> 00:19:01,799 of those mounds literally might be six feet tall and 306 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,640 they're just a bump, and they're people wouldn't even think 307 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,160 the fact that somebody built that three thousand years ago 308 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:11,200 or something of that nature. People would even think that 309 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:13,599 it's just a bump. So a lot of these probably 310 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,240 get overlooked a lot of these are probably right in 311 00:19:16,279 --> 00:19:20,319 our area. Because these mound builders, these sites are everywhere 312 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:24,079 from you know, Minnesota to New York, down to Florida, 313 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,279 all the way over to Louisiana. They covered that entire range. 314 00:19:27,799 --> 00:19:30,000 I mean, it's a huge that's half of America that 315 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:32,480 they covered where these mounds are present. So that's a 316 00:19:32,599 --> 00:19:36,079 large section of the country. So it's hard to put 317 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:38,559 an exact number and then on the amount of mounds 318 00:19:38,599 --> 00:19:43,000 that we have. But I'm gonna bring this back a 319 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:45,440 little bit. I'm gonna back it up once and bring 320 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:49,839 us back to Biblical times. We're going to talk about 321 00:19:50,839 --> 00:19:54,200 where was the Garden of Eden. It was on a mountain, right, 322 00:19:54,599 --> 00:19:58,720 it's elevated, it's a higher place. The Canaanites celebrated at 323 00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:02,160 higher places throughout at the times. They would build uh uh, 324 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,240 you know, either pyramid like structures or temples that were hired. 325 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,920 They would worship on top of these things. There's always 326 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,559 been something where these deities would work their way up, right, 327 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:14,680 they would work up towards the deity. There was the 328 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,480 whole point was they would work up towards the deity. 329 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,640 But these mounds we've seen, there's different types of them right. 330 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,200 There is ones that were sacred mounds, there's one that 331 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,319 were burial mounds. There's there's different shapes and there's actually 332 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,880 a lot of different structures too. You went to Serpent Mound, 333 00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:31,119 which we'll talk about that in a little bit, but 334 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,160 that's more. 335 00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: Of an effigy to talking with the Chief Joseph river 336 00:20:36,279 --> 00:20:38,480 Wind the other day on the phone and he was 337 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:41,000 saying that, you know the ones that the style that 338 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:45,920 we seen, the Miamisburg and the Ennon were canonical mounds, 339 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:51,000 and he said, those are without fail burial mounds. And 340 00:20:51,079 --> 00:20:53,440 the other which I don't know the names for them, 341 00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:55,960 but the ones that kind of come up and plateau 342 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,599 and are flat on the top, those are kind of split. 343 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:04,440 They get to be for ceremony and ritual, you know, 344 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:08,839 a high place as you were talking about, or for 345 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,799 the chieftain, the chieftain or the sham and someone of 346 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,759 great importance would have their house on top of that 347 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,000 plateau there. 348 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,519 Speaker 4: That's and that's something that they see in some of 349 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:25,759 that architecture. Well, they'll see some of that there where 350 00:21:25,799 --> 00:21:30,119 those flat, big flat plateau type mounds like Monk Mound. 351 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,400 We'll talk about that in a little bit, but that 352 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,359 one had you know, they would build that and there 353 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,119 was wood structure on top of it had been there, 354 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,400 so I mean there you could tell that's either they 355 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,359 had built a wood temple or they had built a 356 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,720 wood thing, or it was truly just a chieftain's house 357 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:47,920 or something of that nature. We can't tell for sure, 358 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:53,039 but pretty interesting that we see differences in these mounds. 359 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,920 The ones that we went to, those first two were 360 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,599 called the Adena people. You know, in that area, most 361 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:02,039 of the mountain builders were referred to as either the Adena, 362 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,880 the Hopewell, or the Fort Ancient, and there were different 363 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,079 spans of time that those people were supposedly mound builders. However, 364 00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:11,799 there is evidence the Adena and the hope Well that 365 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,559 were intermarried and had contact with each other throughout that time. 366 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,039 They spanned kind of that same region. 367 00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's not their indigenous names either. Oh okay, 368 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:27,720 you go ahead, go ahead. I don't want to step 369 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,160 on your toes. 370 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,559 Speaker 2: Go ahead, No, you're good. 371 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: I was just going to say that they got these 372 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,960 names because that that's the land that they were found on. 373 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,599 These were farmers and that was their last names, and 374 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,519 so they named them, you know, after the farmers Well. 375 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 4: Captain mc Hopewell of Ross County had more than thirty 376 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:50,200 mounds within one hundred and ten acre enclosure on his property. 377 00:22:50,599 --> 00:22:56,240 Hence the hope Well and the Adena name came from 378 00:22:57,319 --> 00:23:01,319 the estate of Thomas Worthington was the governor of Ohio 379 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:06,319 from eighteen fourteen to eighteen eighteen. His estate name was Adena, 380 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,400 and that's where these names for these these peoples come from. 381 00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:13,480 So we don't even have the true you know, what 382 00:23:13,519 --> 00:23:16,160 they would even have called themselves. We don't have that 383 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:23,640 that trickle down effect. But pretty pretty cool to see that, 384 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,440 you know, there's there's some ancient history there. Now I'm 385 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,720 gonna take us to there's there was a thing in 386 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:33,319 Iowa that was found back in the eighteen hundreds called 387 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:37,359 the Davenport Stella. Have you heard of this? The Davenport 388 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:44,759 Stella was really really cool for one, well, for multiple reasons. 389 00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:46,440 But first of all, there wasn't supposed to be written 390 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,319 language at that time. 391 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: So there's the one in that ancient the Ones, the 392 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:53,559 giants who ruled ancient America. 393 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 4: It may have been I'm trying to remember which book 394 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,440 that was in. I have all this and I'm trying 395 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,960 to find the exact phrasing from what it had. 396 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,559 Speaker 1: They had that book. I got it my collection. That 397 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,920 sounds for me here. I just can't place it. 398 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 4: It might have been there, but I think it was 399 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:14,240 in multiple books that I had, because that was a 400 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,400 pretty big one. But that has now I'm trying to 401 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,559 oh here, it is the Davenport They call it the 402 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,599 Davenport calendar Stella. It was found in a burial mound 403 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,240 in Iowa in eighteen seventy four, and it was written 404 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:37,240 on It was written three different languages, which is really interesting. Egyptian, Iberian, Punic, 405 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,559 and Libyan. So we have something that was prior to 406 00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:45,759 when written language was supposed to be here, written in 407 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:52,519 multiple different languages. And then you have Egyptian on there. 408 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:55,240 And this isn't the only Egyptian artifact that they found here. 409 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,279 You know, there's stock about that. In the Grand Canyon, 410 00:24:57,319 --> 00:24:59,599 they found Egyptian artifacts, there's talk of that in other 411 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,279 you know, Phoenician artifacts, things of this nature that we 412 00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:07,319 see from cultures that definitely came here pre Columbus. But 413 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,599 a really interesting site. 414 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,759 Speaker 1: Verry fail guy, you just showed his book trying to 415 00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:16,880 think of the name of America's Stonehenge. He found a 416 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,119 stone there called the Bail Stone that was written in 417 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:27,559 Phoenician and it said to we the Canaannotes dedicate this 418 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,680 site to Bale of the Phoenicians. And Barry fail from 419 00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:35,799 Harvard he was the one that transcribed that. 420 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 4: And I think that's the one that's only forty miles 421 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,359 south of Plymouth Rock, if I'm correct, that's the one 422 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,480 that he found. Literally like they almost landed exactly where 423 00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:50,720 the Pilgrims did, way before the Pilgrims, which is just 424 00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:52,759 another thing that you know, and all these things get 425 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,720 passed off as a hoax. One other interesting thing that 426 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:02,079 I thought was just to show another tidbit of fact 427 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,359 that some of these people we were here before. But 428 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:13,240 Barry Fell says that the Micmac and Algonquin tribes, right, 429 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:17,319 we have the Micmac and Algonquin. They're more northern into Canada, 430 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:23,920 northern uh, you know, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota into Canada, like 431 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,759 through that range over to New York. They have a 432 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:34,839 limited but recognizable Egyptian vocabulary, it says, which was not 433 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,480 part of their native Algonquin language, but shows that they 434 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:42,880 had contact with the Egyptian people. That blows my mind. 435 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,119 So we see this in the culture, that this stuff 436 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,519 has come over that at some point these people had. 437 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,880 So if we're looking at the we're seeing these mounds 438 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,400 come up, right, and we can we can think about 439 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,559 it from multiple ways. We could think about the Mayans 440 00:26:57,559 --> 00:27:00,759 and the Aztecs that come up with their which actually 441 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:03,359 a lot of people believe that those were the Mayans 442 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:07,559 came into the Americas and they were the Mississippians is 443 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:10,960 what that was, or the Mississippian tribes, So they had 444 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,799 come up that way. Now, one really cool thing before 445 00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,599 I forget because I didn't write this down, but I 446 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,319 was listening to a guy who was the editor for 447 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,440 the editor for The Ancient American, which is a it's 448 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,880 a quarterly magazine that dives into these topics that kind 449 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,880 of goes into all the discoveries that aren't reported. And 450 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,480 he said that the people up in and I'm trying 451 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,559 to remember the name, like it's the I can't remember 452 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:50,160 the name of the Native American tribe that was in Wisconsin. 453 00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:53,240 It was the something Chunk. I can't remember exactly what 454 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:56,240 it's called, but it's like the Manchunk or something to 455 00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:58,039 that effect. And I know I'm getting it wrong, and 456 00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:02,160 I apologize. But those people and which he talks to frequently, 457 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,920 he has interactions with them to kind of talk about 458 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:10,240 their history. He said, those people in Wisconsin had a 459 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:16,200 group of large giants that they would have interactions with, 460 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,880 they would have fights with where these people would come 461 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,079 in and take their women. It just so happens that 462 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:29,000 these individuals were and this this is all from their mythology, 463 00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:30,720 is what is what this guy is saying, or from 464 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,359 their I shouldn't say mythology, but this is their story 465 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,279 what they say it happened with these these were all 466 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:40,519 red haired giants with six fingers and six toes. It 467 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:43,519 says that they they would come and steal their women 468 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,400 things of that nature, and then this this Native American 469 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,319 tribe would eventually ran them out of there. And this 470 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:52,839 ends up that they moved down to an area which 471 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,240 I'm sure many people know the love Lock Caves. So 472 00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:01,359 we've that's probably the Cityka. Yeah, and that's one of 473 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,839 the more famous accounts of the red haired six finger 474 00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:07,200 six you know, six toed giants. We've hear about that 475 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,559 all the time. The crazy part is that Native American 476 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,160 tribe up in Wisconsin says after they were run out. 477 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:17,720 They weren't all killed. They were run out of there 478 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,960 by those Indian tribes in New Mexico in the Lovelock 479 00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:25,200 and they went to Mexico. And this Indian tribe in 480 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,440 Wisconsin says that they're the ones that build Tewo Tiwakan, 481 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,200 the temple of the Sun. Now is that all true? 482 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,799 But this is coming from a Native American lore of 483 00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:43,319 this tribe. So I thought that was a really interesting connection, 484 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,000 something that I hadn't heard before. But just connecting some 485 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,599 dots and showing that some of those some of those 486 00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:56,160 giants were widespread across this country. But I think it's 487 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,160 important that we go back and talk a little bit 488 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,000 about you know, we talk about conspiracy in this all 489 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,880 the time. Why is it covered up? You know? Why 490 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,200 are these mounds? You know sometimes we hear about these 491 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,759 giant skeletons and they disappear. Why is that? If you 492 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,359 go back, and I'm gonna have to find this little 493 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,759 part here, but if you go back to when the 494 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:24,640 Smithsonian was originally founded in eighteen twenty nine, it was 495 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,079 founded by a five hundred thousand dollars grant from the 496 00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:32,640 British from Britain, the British mineralogist James Smithson, that was 497 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,119 his name, and it heads the Smithsonian, if that makes sense. 498 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,079 But it's it's it's him that originally founds as he 499 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,720 was a rich guy that didn't have anybody when he 500 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,519 passed anybody to hand it on down to, so he 501 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:51,519 he creates a Smithsonian. Now, after the Civil War, they 502 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:54,559 started adapting the Smithsonian started, you know, they were kind 503 00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:58,319 of diving into these things, and they were adopting a past, sorry, 504 00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:03,359 adopting a policy of excluding any evidence that was of 505 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:08,960 direct foreign influence in the Americas prior to Columbus. Now 506 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,240 you think we have our history books. We've heard the 507 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,519 fourteen ninety two, you know, Columbus sailed the Ocean blue, 508 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:17,319 all those Yeah, we've heard that for days. I mean, 509 00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:20,039 that's every history book that's ever been written, you know, 510 00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:24,119 that's what it talks about. Columbus discovered America, you know, 511 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,440 and we start getting things, well leif Erickson was up there, well, 512 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:32,160 you know, and now we're seeing these relics of Phoenician, 513 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:37,599 Egyptian Libyan descent that we're seeing in you know, in 514 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,799 the Americas, and people are passing him off as fakes 515 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,480 or you know, you know, I don't know how that 516 00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:46,319 roman coin got here, but you know, somebody must have 517 00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:48,039 been out hunting and it fell out of his pocket 518 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:49,799 and he just happened to have a roman coin in 519 00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:52,039 his pace. Like, it doesn't make sense, right, we have 520 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:58,160 all these these things there. But from eighteen seventy nine 521 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,119 until the day he died in nineteen o two, Major 522 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,480 John Wesley Powell was named the director of the Bureau 523 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,559 of Ethnology as part of the Smithsonian. He went on 524 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,640 to write a couple of reports. They had him kind 525 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,720 of check into this phenomenon, we'll say that, right, the 526 00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:22,440 mound phenomenon. And he his first report that he wrote 527 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,960 was called on the Limitations of the use of some 528 00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:33,680 anthropologic data, so he's limiting what you're able to look at. 529 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,759 Speaker 1: They actually that Ancient Giants book. 530 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,279 Speaker 2: I read it. 531 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: It's been a few months, but it really talked about Powell. 532 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:47,160 It a looted that he straight up was a Darwinian theorist. 533 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,039 And they have letters that he sent out to all 534 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:56,599 the staff and said that they would not entertain any 535 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:05,240 of these giant stories, that it was poppy that newspapers 536 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,920 were making this stuff up to sell newspapers, or it 537 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,680 was dumb farmers that didn't know how to measure, and 538 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,240 that that he actually had investigated a few, but it 539 00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:19,960 was either lies, or the bones were gone, or the 540 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,359 measurements were wrong because the farmers couldn't measure or read 541 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:27,599 a tape measure or whatever. So then he just told 542 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,599 everybody that they weren't going to investigate him anymore, that 543 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,680 they were off the off the table, basically, don't don't 544 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,519 bother him with it. 545 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,519 Speaker 4: So exactly to that point, the Smithsonian actually has adopted 546 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:44,359 what they call kind of the they had a special 547 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,799 word for it, but like the Powell uh directly whatever, 548 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,960 and that the pile doctrine there you go basically just 549 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,079 to say anything that doesn't fit the narrative that's pre 550 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,519 Columbian is obviously fake or or is nothing. So to 551 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:03,200 the point where in not that far off history they'll 552 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,920 find things that are that don't fit the mold, that 553 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,880 don't fit the thing, to the point where they have 554 00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:14,320 reburied them just so they won't be found. This stuff 555 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,559 has happened, and on top of that we have heard 556 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:23,440 countless stories of giant bones being found. The Smithsonian wanting 557 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,000 to investigate, and then they disappear. They're just gone. And 558 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:29,880 we hear this all the time, and I mean, I 559 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,000 know I have a little bit of conspiracy theorist in me, 560 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:36,280 maybe a little more than most. But there's too much. 561 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,280 There's too many things. There's too many news articles which 562 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,840 we're going to jump into here and just to say, 563 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,159 but there's too many things that point to this, that 564 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:49,280 show that there's a there's a narrative that's happening around 565 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,360 us when it comes to these things, to show that 566 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,320 that Darwinian idea, right, this, this Powell doctrine, the way 567 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,880 that we're trying to dictate how our how our history flow. 568 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,320 But we're taking only the history that we want to use. 569 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,480 We're only taking the parts that we want to make sense, 570 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,440 which I mean, to be fair, that's what science does 571 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,159 all the time. I mean, let's really look at that 572 00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:16,920 that hasn't changed throughout history. We only take the things 573 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,920 that that help us out. Just like carbon dating, we'll 574 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,519 get twelve dates and and we'll say, help that one's 575 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,559 the one I wanted. That's the closest to what I 576 00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:27,079 thought it was, So I'm going to use that. That's 577 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:31,599 just it's just what we do so good bad or 578 00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:33,519 in different which it's bad, but. 579 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 1: Which before before you move on and we get too 580 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,599 far down the hole with with giants. Uh, you'll meet 581 00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:42,880 to finish up about the Non. 582 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 4: No, I'm sorry, Yeah, I apologize, Go ahead. 583 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: Okay, but yeah, i'd mentioned that. You know, they called 584 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,280 it knob Prairie mound. Clark and his men were on 585 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,360 their way to fight the Shawnee and used it as 586 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,719 like advantage point to scout the area. 587 00:35:58,199 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 2: But this battle was called. 588 00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: Pequi Piqua, And I said eighteen hundreds earlier correction, seventeen 589 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,599 eighty was when this was. But it says that the 590 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:19,840 Shawnee was headed up by a chief black Hoof, and 591 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,400 that far as like the mounds and the dirt that's 592 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:30,760 in that mound. Their online source said two thousand, one 593 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:37,400 hundred and thirty three truckloads of dirt in the non mound, 594 00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:43,079 and that comes out to the equivalent if someone on 595 00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:47,719 average could carry forty pounds of soil at a time. 596 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:56,679 On that average, this would be over one million human trips. 597 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,280 And so I mean, just wrap your head around that. 598 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:08,760 But these you know, ancient people who were you know, 599 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,159 no modern technology. They were chipping away with deer antlers, 600 00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:19,400 digging up soil and using deer skin or whatever to 601 00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:25,039 wrap this, you know, soil up with and carry and 602 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:29,880 stack and pack in with their feet over one milligon 603 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,800 trips to build the Noon Mound. And to me that 604 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,599 was just baffling to think about. 605 00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:39,159 Speaker 2: But it was. 606 00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:45,079 Speaker 1: Five hundred and seventy four feet in circumference with a 607 00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:49,840 height of forty five to fifty feet, is what that 608 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,639 source said. But the first recorded digging of the site, 609 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,360 there was this quote in the book. It says, we 610 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,880 found soil all the way for thirty feet when we 611 00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:10,480 came to a cave of curious construction. It was in 612 00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:14,639 the shape of a bake oven, high enough from a 613 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:19,039 man to stand upright in the center, and it tapered 614 00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:23,679 down on all sides. On one side was a door 615 00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:28,239 that at one time was the entrance from the ground 616 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,679 level into the cave. In the center was a pile 617 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,000 of dirt and a large stone resembling an altar, and 618 00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:44,280 on it were bones that said that the bones were 619 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,480 so brittled that they wouldn't be able to stand moving them. 620 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,960 So that the men carved their names and the date 621 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:56,800 in the stone and then reburied the cave, and this 622 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:03,280 was dated from eighteen seventy to eighteen eighty in Beer's 623 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:09,440 History of Clark County. And then it says the nineteen 624 00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:12,639 hundreds of the mound was the center of a large 625 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:18,960 dirt horse racing track, and that this was an eighty 626 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,599 four acre farm and it was bought in nineteen fifty 627 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:28,599 two and developed into Indian mound estates, and that the 628 00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:31,679 man was preserved and given to the village of Anon. 629 00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:38,320 So I thought that was pretty interesting that someone actually 630 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,320 dug into this thing and thirty foot down found a cave, 631 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,480 a burial chamber with bones, and they didn't say how 632 00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:51,000 big they were. There was no comment on the size 633 00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:52,679 of the bones, but they said that the bones were 634 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:55,320 so brittle that they would have turned to ash and 635 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,320 crumbled if they tried to move it. So these guys 636 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,320 just etched their names and their and the date in 637 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,039 the offer stone in the center of the burial chamber 638 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,320 and then covered it. 639 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,199 Speaker 4: Back up facing a monument. My gosh, and. 640 00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 1: Can you imagine, you know, we were there and had 641 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,039 that circle, you know, drive around that roundabout at one 642 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:19,400 time that that was a horse racing track fun where 643 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,760 they raced around this mound. 644 00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:27,079 Speaker 4: That is nuts, just the history, the things. If the 645 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:30,480 Hills had eyes, you know, or had a mouth to 646 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:32,920 tell you all these things. It's just unreal that what 647 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,199 that's been through over the history of time. Because we 648 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,760 talked about the trees that we saw, those trees weren't 649 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,719 there when those mounds were built. I mean we're talking 650 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,960 thousands of years ago. The landscape was totally different. So 651 00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,480 it's just it is amazing to think about and try 652 00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,440 to put that in perspective when you're looking at something. 653 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,239 You know, some people, if you don't look into this, 654 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,039 you're just looking at a pile of dirt until you 655 00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:57,920 really truly know the history, which is it's unreal. And 656 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,920 the same thing kind of happened with themurg mound is 657 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,239 that I remember it was about twelve feet down they 658 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,000 had found a body, a skeleton, and then it was 659 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,159 about twenty feet below that they had found a chamber 660 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,079 below that, but the chamber was empty, and then they 661 00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:16,559 after that they just ceased searching covered it back up. 662 00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:20,159 But I didn't find it interesting that the you know, 663 00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:24,480 these people were known for copper and finding lots of 664 00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,760 though they'd use copper for different things, and sometimes it'd 665 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,159 be trinkets, sometimes it'd be weapons or something of this nature. 666 00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:32,079 But they would use copper for a lot of different things. 667 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,599 And it was funny seeing the guy who, you know, 668 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,440 some of these places you go, you're not even allowed 669 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,000 to use a drone, which justin can tell you some stories. 670 00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:44,719 But the we had that guy who was metal detecting 671 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,039 around the one mound while we were there, and I 672 00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:50,119 was sitting there going, oh, man, I wonder what he's finding. 673 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,800 He was ballsy. I was pretty impressive. But it's just 674 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,960 cool that there's history there. But it's interesting also that 675 00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:02,320 they'd start looking and they were excavating, then all of 676 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,119 a sudden it's like, no, never mind, like what happened? 677 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,320 Why did they stop? 678 00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: And Abraham Lincoln's quote plainly said that you know, the 679 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,400 bones of that extinct race of giants whose bones fill America. 680 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,000 That shows you that they were finding them and they knew. Yeah, 681 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,400 And all the old traditions of the Indians, you know, 682 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,119 a lot of them will tell you that their you know, 683 00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:32,760 ancestors said that they found these ancient earthworks and they 684 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,559 settled there or added on to them, and even archaeologists, 685 00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:42,280 you know, It's been documented that the further down they go, 686 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:48,360 the different cultures they find, and that's why these bigger 687 00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:55,320 mounds were dated to the older culture and the newer 688 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,840 ones are smaller. And it's the same thing you see 689 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,559 down in South America. In all points to an ancient 690 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:09,639 race with superior technology. They couldn't duplicate it, so they 691 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,960 imitated it in a smaller form, which is the exact opposite. 692 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,679 It should start small and get bigger as time goes 693 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,760 and you learn to perfect your craft. But no, in fact, 694 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,000 we are seeing the opposite. The oldest ones are the biggest, 695 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:35,360 the baddest, and the most you know, geometric perfection. 696 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,079 Speaker 4: You know, it's like the megaliths. I mean, it's the 697 00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:38,840 same kind of thing. 698 00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:44,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, all these people's found these ancient sides and just 699 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,440 settled around them and added on to them. 700 00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 4: That's yeah, it's just interesting. Just and I we said 701 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,119 that when we were standing on top of it, was 702 00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:58,000 I just, could you only imagine what's right below our feet? 703 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,639 You know, we'll never know, but man, it's it's it's 704 00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:07,480 pretty crazy to think about what could be right below you. 705 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,119 Speaker 1: It's one thing, you know, to see it on film. 706 00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:14,280 Speaker 2: To read about it. 707 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, if you guys ever get a chance to 708 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,199 go to these places, go when you're standing at especially 709 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,039 you know those those two we went to. But the 710 00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:25,480 first one was at Miamisburg. Man, just standing at the 711 00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:30,840 base of that thing and looking up, you're like, holy cow, 712 00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:33,360 the man power. 713 00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:36,639 Speaker 4: Or walking up walking up it three times? 714 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got an adda boy at one point. 715 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, sure did. 716 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:46,159 Speaker 2: Oh man. 717 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 4: We had a lot of fun doing this. It was 718 00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:52,519 a good time. Man. Look be on the lookout for 719 00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:55,400 more to come, because we'll do some more expeditions like this. 720 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,679 That stuff, and I call it expedition. This is is 721 00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:00,719 as Indiana Jones as my life if it has ever been. 722 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,840 And I I just I think it's fun to do 723 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,679 that and see if we can we can find some 724 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,320 new things. And they're through Tennessee places. We just got 725 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:09,119 to find them. 726 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know we're one is dun dun, dum. I'll 727 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,800 be rotten next door in October. You should drive up met. 728 00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 4: Oh that's right. We think about that one, all right. 729 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,800 So I want to jump in a little bit to this. 730 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,079 And we're talking about the the mounds here. So we're 731 00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:32,320 told the aDNA of the Hope well and for an 732 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,280 ancient civilizations are the ones that built u which then 733 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,440 again we don't even have the names for these people. 734 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,000 You would think the Native American tribes would have a 735 00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:45,119 name for them if they if they were from them 736 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,000 or came down from them. This is not like it's 737 00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:50,519 the Shawnee. This is not the the Iroquois, this is 738 00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:53,639 not the Algonquin. This is not those tribes, you know 739 00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:55,840 what I mean. This is this is something that was different. 740 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,119 They kind of faded out around I think it was 741 00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:02,639 about five hundred AD where you just don't really see 742 00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:06,239 those bounds anymore. They just kind of disappeared that the 743 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,440 way that they're dated, they just they're just not really 744 00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:17,159 found much past that date. So, just like any civilization, 745 00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:19,639 there's a rise and fall. A lot of people believe 746 00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:22,320 that they just intermarried and you know, just kind of 747 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,199 moved on and as a civilization broke down or something 748 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,159 of that nature. Sometimes you know, sickness comes through and 749 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,800 ravage as a whole tribe. There's all sorts of different things, 750 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:33,679 and just like what happened when the pilgrims came and 751 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,719 brought you know, sars or all these other things that 752 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,639 there's decimated Native American populations. If we're talking about the 753 00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:44,840 Egyptians and the Phoenicians and all these other races coming over, 754 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,360 it's very possible that they could have brought some kind 755 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,119 of germs, some kind of bacteria, some kind of virus 756 00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:54,519 that the people here were not equipped to handle, and 757 00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:56,880 that very well could be where these tribes went as well. 758 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,320 Which I mean, that's just history repeats itself. We see 759 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,360 it all the time. And the fact of the matter is, 760 00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:05,679 despite what the Smithsonian wants us to believe, is that 761 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:11,159 this is a pre Columbian civilization that had technology, that 762 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,480 had written language, and some of that written language would 763 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,559 have Paleo Hebrew on it, would have Semitic writing on it, 764 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,119 where if you knew the Paleo Hebrew you could read it. 765 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,440 I mean, that's just amazing to think about. 766 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:29,599 Speaker 1: Some of the astro archaeology even points to a pre 767 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,599 flood race, some of these star alignments and stuff with 768 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,760 Draco as the Norwerth star. We're talking twelve thousand years ago, guys, 769 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,719 we're talking about the Young Adreas event a. 770 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,039 Speaker 4: Long time ago. Now, I got one little before I 771 00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:48,480 jump into this, I got one little rabbit trail that 772 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,400 I want to just show you. I want to share 773 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,280 this with you because this one blew me away and 774 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:59,840 it's kind of a side note, but it may. I 775 00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,360 just thought it was a really cool little connection. Oh here, 776 00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:08,119 here it is. So we talked a little bit about 777 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,920 that Davenport stella right that had that information on it, 778 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:18,119 but when that was actually transcribed or translated, the information 779 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:24,000 indicates that a ray of light falls on a specific 780 00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:30,599 tone or a specific stone on the spring equinox, and 781 00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:38,800 what was that stone called the Watcher? I thought that 782 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,639 was pretty interesting. Are we focusing back on who we're worshiping? 783 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,679 Are we focusing back on a pre flood event like 784 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,559 you were just talking about. And I think that that 785 00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:55,320 is an interesting an interesting correlation just and it could 786 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,079 be a straight coincidence. But the fact that we hear 787 00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:02,280 the Watcher and we're talking about Semitic writings being found 788 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,639 on here that someone who was Semitic could have read that, 789 00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:07,840 is this a is this a precursor? Is this or 790 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,880 not a precursor? But is this something you know? Pre 791 00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:14,559 even Book of Enoch where they were told through the 792 00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:18,639 oral traditions about the watchers, were they venerating the watchers? 793 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:24,840 Speaker 1: Even the New new arc that that that circle and 794 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,360 square mound? 795 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,039 Speaker 2: Uh what do they call that? 796 00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 4: The I was I read all on that today, but the. 797 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: What we're talking about, But Fritz just recently discovered that 798 00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:45,880 the open gate that goes into that. 799 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:53,559 Speaker 2: Lines up perfect with the sunrise on. 800 00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:02,639 Speaker 1: Uh shoot was the name of that festival, Oh. 801 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,199 Speaker 2: On bell Tane? Mm hmm. 802 00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:11,360 Speaker 1: This you know there were sun worshipers and on bell Tane, 803 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:19,199 which was a Phoenician holiday worshiping their Phoenician god Bail, 804 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:26,800 who they find the ball stone in America's stone hinge 805 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,320 lines up perfectly on bell Tane. So that shows you 806 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:39,440 that in the very least had a very heavy Phoenician 807 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,599 background or influence whoever built that mound. 808 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,280 Speaker 4: That's pretty crazy. 809 00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:53,400 Speaker 1: That's may first I think, is that right. 810 00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:55,840 Speaker 2: Bell Tane? 811 00:50:56,599 --> 00:51:02,840 Speaker 4: I'm not sure. Now, piggybacking off what you just said, 812 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,760 one more little rabbit trail, one more cool little thing 813 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,000 is Frank Joseph was an editor in chief of that 814 00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:12,800 same ancient American magazine from nineteen ninety three to two 815 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:25,639 thousand and seven. Kahokia Monks Mound, Right, Monks Mound, per 816 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:32,039 this per Frank Joseph had the same base as the 817 00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:38,559 Great Pyramid and it was aligned to the same cardinal points. 818 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:44,639 The that's hard to if you, I mean, you may not. 819 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,639 I mean it's hard to say you didn't have influence 820 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,760 with the Egyptians. It's hard to say you didn't have 821 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:56,360 at least a connection with whoever showed the Egyptians these things, 822 00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:04,119 the same cosmology, the same knowledge, for lack of a 823 00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:07,360 better word, maybe some forbidden knowledge from you know. 824 00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:09,480 Speaker 2: The Star people as they call them. 825 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,480 Speaker 4: The Star people as they call it, or as this 826 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:17,360 stone was called, the Watcher. Just an interesting connection that 827 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,880 I think we make, and we can see that correlation 828 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,280 between the biblical and even the non canonical when we 829 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,320 talk about Enoch can bring that stuff in that you 830 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,320 can see that the answers are there. But I just 831 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,039 think that that's a very interesting thing that I had 832 00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:30,960 never seen before. 833 00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:34,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, even that the goods, I mean, why else do 834 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:41,519 you find corn in Egypt? Why do you find cocaine 835 00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:48,199 in Pharaoh's burial teams? These are things found in South 836 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,320 America originally that migrated north. 837 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,519 Speaker 2: Into North America. 838 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,119 Speaker 1: Why else will we find in you know, ninety eight 839 00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:00,719 point five percent pure copper that his own found in 840 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,079 Michigan in Europe, in the Levant and the Middle East, 841 00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:09,760 because all these things were going back and forth in 842 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,639 the ancient world. And I even heard an author speak 843 00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:18,880 one time connecting with the Bible is Solomon during the 844 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,920 Feast of Tabernacles, he would accept tribute from all the 845 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,239 different countries of the world, and it talks about this 846 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:33,280 far off land of four or o far And I've 847 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,119 heard this author. I can't remember who it was now, 848 00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:39,519 but I've heard people talk about it and stuff on YouTube, 849 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,480 and they theorize that that could have very well been 850 00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:43,840 North America. 851 00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:54,400 Speaker 4: So far. It's the connections are there, and we obviously 852 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,800 know that, and that's the hard part, and that's why 853 00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,840 they try to stick to that pre Columbian narrative saying 854 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,880 that there's nothing there, because they say that no one 855 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,159 could have had there was no ships prior to that, 856 00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:09,039 there was no boats prior to that, which they've found, 857 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,719 you know, uh, Egyptian they found these some Egyptian ships. 858 00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,639 They found some things like this that were obviously prior 859 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:26,360 to prior to Columbus. But I just it's it's just 860 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,400 amazing that the narrative, we want to stick to the 861 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,760 narrative just because and I think A lot of it 862 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,679 has to do with the fact that if the academia 863 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,559 would have to change every history book, all their hard 864 00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:42,280 work that they've put into their research, all their you know, 865 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,519 our whole history would change. 866 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,159 Speaker 1: These archaeologists and historians legacy, yes, would have to be destroyed. 867 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,840 Speaker 2: And I think David Roll talked about that. 868 00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,320 Speaker 4: M h oh, that was that. If you guys haven't 869 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,960 watched the Prometheus Lens and watched the David Roll episode, 870 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,519 you guys have to watch that. That blew my mind. 871 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,119 But the you just look at this and you see 872 00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:08,400 that that it's just I don't know, I don't know 873 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:09,880 how else to put it other than it blows my 874 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:14,400 mind that this stuff has just been you know, it's 875 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,559 been hidden for us. And I think it started out 876 00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:19,559 as a maybe for that reason, we wanted to keep 877 00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:22,599 our you know, academia straight and say this is this 878 00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:24,440 is our history. I'm not going to change it. We've 879 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,920 already had all this this work we've put into it. 880 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,239 But then the giant bones go missing and all these 881 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,760 other things go missing. Is that just to keep that 882 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,199 narrative or is there something more to that? And I 883 00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:40,360 don't know. We talked to Carrie Maday about the fact 884 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,119 that you know, we went into Iraq and went and 885 00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:48,199 got Nimrod's bones. So I is it worth starting a 886 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,320 war for something like that? I don't. I mean, what 887 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,760 what do those bones do? What? What? What's the point 888 00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,360 of hoarding them? So that's another show for another time. 889 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,840 And that is a conspiracy theory trail that could go 890 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,000 on for days. And as Justin says, when I get 891 00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:11,360 to this point. 892 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:14,719 Speaker 1: Oh there it is cheat at rabbit, all right. 893 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,519 Speaker 4: I just want to read a couple of these accounts. 894 00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:19,440 I'll I'll read them. I'll read one and then we'll 895 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,679 talk about it for a minute, just your idea's thoughts, 896 00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:24,719 and then if anything else comes to mind, just roll 897 00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,840 with it. But I picked a few from a few 898 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,480 different places, and I thought that I thought were really interesting. 899 00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:33,719 But this is all from that book The Ancient Giants 900 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:39,840 Who Ruled America by Richard J. Dewhurst. Now this one 901 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,039 is called the History of Livingston County, New York, eighteen 902 00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:47,159 twenty four. When Jesse Stanley came to Mount Morris in 903 00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:50,239 eighteen eleven, an Indian mound nearly one hundred feet in 904 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,119 diameter and from eight to ten feet high covered the 905 00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:58,000 site of the late General Mills residents. And I don't 906 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,800 know if that's the cereal or not. The mound had 907 00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:05,039 long been crowned by a great tree which had recently 908 00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:08,360 fallen under the ax. Deacon Stanley was told that when 909 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,199 freshly cut, it disclosed one hundred and thirty concentric circles 910 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,599 of yearly growths, meaning the trees one hundred and thirty 911 00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:20,880 years old. About the year eighteen twenty, the mound was 912 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:26,199 removed and its removal arrowheads, a brass kettle, and knives 913 00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:32,360 were thrown out. A number of skeletons were also disinterred. 914 00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:36,360 Among the bones was a human skeleton of enormous size, 915 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,679 the jawbone, which was so large that Adam Holsander placed 916 00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:44,480 it mask like over his own chin and jaw. He 917 00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:46,920 was the largest man in the settlement, and his face 918 00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:49,519 was in proportion to the rest of his body. Metal 919 00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:51,599 in the form of rude metals, a pipe, and other 920 00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:54,159 articles were picked out of the earth and thrown from 921 00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:58,280 the excavation. So that's what you talked about before, you said. 922 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,800 Sometimes they'd say, oh, they were just a farmers. They 923 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,079 didn't know how to measure them, and blah blah, blah. 924 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,519 But this guy is not taking a tape measure putting 925 00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:08,639 he's the biggest guy in that area. He's putting it 926 00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:13,280 over his face like a mask. That is an enormous skull. 927 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,119 I mean enormous skull. 928 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,960 Speaker 1: And there's several instances like that in that book that 929 00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:22,800 talk about the jaws being job ones, being so big 930 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,599 that it just wraps around their face like a mask. 931 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,039 Or they even took the skull cap and put it 932 00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:30,760 on like a like a football helmet. 933 00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:35,519 Speaker 4: Yeah. That that's just it's enormous. 934 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:41,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, And we should take our cameras and take pictures 935 00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:45,880 of those articles in the book because they are like 936 00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:48,679 photo copies of the old. 937 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,320 Speaker 4: Well, the quotations they say where they're from, and like 938 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,480 the next one says Charleston Daily Mail, September twentieth, nineteen sixteen. 939 00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:03,559 So this is from the Charleston you know, Charleston newspaper. 940 00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:06,599 First ones from New York. Then I go down with Charleston. 941 00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:08,639 I just picked some spots out. This is so we're 942 00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:12,119 showing that this is not just a regional thing. This 943 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,000 is that hole we talked about that basically the eastern 944 00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:20,119 half of America, even into Mississippi. We have this. So 945 00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:24,480 this is on July thirteenth, Professor Skinner of the American 946 00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:30,519 Indian Museum, excavating the mound at Tonga Point near Saiir, Pennsylvania, 947 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,039 uncovered the bones of sixty eight men, which he estimated 948 00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:38,360 had been buried at at least seven or eight hundred years. 949 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,800 The average height indicated by the skeletons was given seven feet, 950 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,440 but many were taller. Evidence of the gigantic size of 951 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,000 these men was seen in huge axis besides the bones. 952 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,760 So this is sixty eight men with an average height 953 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,480 of seven foot, but many much larger. This is like 954 00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:59,719 whole group. This isn't just it is it's a giant clan. 955 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,280 I mean, you think about that. I dream of stumbling 956 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,639 on one of these things. Imagine stumbling on on sixty 957 01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:15,440 eight of them. I mean, that's unbelievable. Here's an Ohio, 958 01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:18,360 which we were just in Ohio, obviously, and this is 959 01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,159 where we see the majority of these mounds that are founded. 960 01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:26,400 I truly believe like Ohio, the Midwest, you could talk 961 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,880 about the southern part of Michigan and even maybe the 962 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:34,000 northern part of Kentucky as being the flatter areas in 963 01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:36,639 this whole region, right, you get down to where we are, 964 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,119 to find a mound would be a lot harder. And 965 01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,199 on this side of the state, if you go to 966 01:00:43,239 --> 01:00:44,960 the to the other side of the state, yeah, it 967 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,159 gets a little flatter. And there is some old earthworks 968 01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:51,079 there north of Nashville, and. 969 01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:57,480 Speaker 1: Some are always found next two rivers or major waterways. 970 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,559 And I think this ties them perfectly with la and 971 01:01:01,639 --> 01:01:06,960 Fritz's work. They talked about the Great Diaspora that when 972 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:12,400 they were when Joshua and Caleb were conquering the Holy Land, 973 01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:17,480 the smart ones jumped on their boats because it talks 974 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,480 about the Phoenicians. You know, we're great seafaring people. And 975 01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:28,480 they even found a pillar in Africa that said we 976 01:01:28,639 --> 01:01:32,480 the Phoenicians, lay claim to this land because we were 977 01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:37,920 run out of ours by Joshua and Caleb, the great Robbers, 978 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,280 and it was in Phoenician. And then I mentioned the 979 01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:49,599 Michigan copper. So at one time the waterways and the 980 01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:52,519 sea levels were a lot higher. So from around the 981 01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:57,360 New England area there was a waterway that led straight 982 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,199 into the Great Lakes and that's how they got in 983 01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:02,840 there and got all this copper. So then once they 984 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:08,840 got out and even in Michigan, they found carvings of 985 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:14,599 Phoenician riding on rocks, Venetian ships which were very distinct 986 01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:19,880 etched into some of these stones, and that once they 987 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,920 got on the land, they just spread out from there 988 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:26,280 and followed the major waterways down through the Ohio River valley. 989 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:32,840 And that's why you get such a condensed civilization of 990 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:39,400 mounds and the giant lore, because they all stemmed out 991 01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:43,119 from that Michigan area the Great Lakes and follow the 992 01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:44,920 rivers down. 993 01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:48,320 Speaker 4: And it makes you wonder, well, the Saint Lawrence Seaway 994 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,800 the way it comes in, and I mean that goes 995 01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:52,719 straight over to that. I mean we have the locks 996 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,800 and stuff now where they have to, you know, change 997 01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,960 the water levels and things of this nature to let 998 01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,000 things through, But that would not have been that way. 999 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,679 It would have been open and they would have come 1000 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,400 right through that Saint Lawrence Seaway right into the Great Lakes, 1001 01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:07,239 and that would have been the highway for all that 1002 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:08,760 copper to get out of here. And they talk about 1003 01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,119 the amount of copper that's been mined and all the 1004 01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:14,559 copper that that we found, I mean, it's gone somewhere 1005 01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:16,320 and no one knows, you know, where all of this 1006 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,639 copper is gone because there is there was so much 1007 01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:20,719 that was taken. 1008 01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:22,719 Speaker 2: Tons. 1009 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:33,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unbelievable, man, it's it does. It blows your mind. Yeah, 1010 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,800 let me just read one more of these. Uh just 1011 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,800 I think it's just this this Ohio one and then 1012 01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:43,760 I just recommend that you look at this book. Like 1013 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:49,760 I said, Richard Dewhurst, the ancient Giants ruled America. This, 1014 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,519 Every one of these books that I showed you in 1015 01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:53,719 the beginning are phenomenal books. They have a lot of 1016 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,960 a lot of information. But if you're into the the 1017 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,239 idea of the giants and all these different things, and 1018 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,679 it's actually funny we think about this. If we're looking 1019 01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:04,360 at how the giants, you know, if we talk about 1020 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,440 those giant clans that they come back, you know, so 1021 01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:13,280 far prior to these more recent history Native American tribes 1022 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,320 we talked about. If we're talking about the Phoenicians coming over, 1023 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,280 we very easily talking about the Canaanite giants that maybe 1024 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,480 were driven out of that area and potentially those were 1025 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,440 the initial giants that were in this country at that time. 1026 01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,800 We don't know, but I mean that's just one potential, 1027 01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:41,400 you know, way to look at it. But this is 1028 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:47,079 the Ohio Morning Sun News Herald, April fourteenth, nineteen oh four. 1029 01:04:48,239 --> 01:04:51,159 A giant skeleton of a man has been unearthed at 1030 01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:55,960 the Wolverton Farm, a short distance from Tipper Canoe City, Ohio. 1031 01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:58,960 It measures eight feet from the top of the head 1032 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,280 to the ankles and the feet being missing. Says the 1033 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,000 newspaper reporter, The skull is large enough to fit as 1034 01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:09,440 a helmet over the average man's head. His skeleton was 1035 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,679 one of seven buried in the circle, the feet of 1036 01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,360 all being towards the center. Root implements were near. The 1037 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,760 skeletons are thought to be those of the mound builders. 1038 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,599 And that's they were saying that in nineteen oh four. 1039 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,760 So just amazing to sit here and look and see 1040 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,320 and that goes on and on and on and on. 1041 01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,079 There's so many and that's and that's just a taste 1042 01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:39,000 of them too. There's so much more. But we see 1043 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,960 that these these history has been suppressed a bit. We're 1044 01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:47,360 not getting the full truth. And this is this is 1045 01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,559 nothing new to us. But the problem is more and 1046 01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:53,920 more people are just accepting the mainstream narrative and we 1047 01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:55,800 have to open our eyes to the fact that the 1048 01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,960 wall's been pulled over our eyes on a lot of things, 1049 01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:02,079 and we have to we have to look into these 1050 01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:03,800 things for ourselves. I know. 1051 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,840 Speaker 2: And there was fake news c and ends back then also. 1052 01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,639 Speaker 4: You know there was it's I think the fake news 1053 01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:17,639 was a Smithsonian, you know, at that time. But but yeah, man, 1054 01:06:17,679 --> 01:06:19,920 I think that's pretty amazing. But I think the way 1055 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,079 we should finish this up is you should tell how 1056 01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:30,800 you got your legend status. Oh yeah, I think you 1057 01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,159 need to finish up with the with the story of 1058 01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:36,920 what you saw and what happened. And I'm going to 1059 01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:39,440 let you let you carry this one out for us. 1060 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,960 Speaker 1: Here, Okay, yeah, quick, I guess like a quick little 1061 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:49,159 thirty thousand foot view of the story, because I'm going 1062 01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:54,559 to do a whole nother like little film docuseries or 1063 01:06:54,599 --> 01:07:01,159 whatever on this also. But me and Steve, we wanted 1064 01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:04,519 to go to Serpent Mound. That was our number one choice, 1065 01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,079 but the way the schedules worked out and they didn't 1066 01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:12,719 open until like ten o'clock, there was no way that 1067 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,679 we could have tackled that. 1068 01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:17,199 Speaker 2: He was helping his father in law move and stuff. 1069 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:22,639 Speaker 1: So we decided to check out the Ohio's two largest mounds, 1070 01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:25,960 which we just talked about, you know, the enon the 1071 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,519 Miamisburg on the way there. So when I had dropped 1072 01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:34,880 Steve off in Dayton, I headed back home by myself. 1073 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:41,320 So I made a special trip to Peebles, Ohio to 1074 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:47,719 go see the Great Serpent Mound. And this is another 1075 01:07:47,719 --> 01:07:52,519 one of those iconic places. It's the largest effigy mound 1076 01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:57,239 in the world. And for those that just don't know, 1077 01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,079 it's in the shape of a huge serpent with a 1078 01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:05,800 curled tail and swoops back and forth, and it's got 1079 01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,800 a its mouth opened up and it looks like it's 1080 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:13,639 swallowing this this big egg. And it's right there next 1081 01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:18,399 to a river, and just a really cool place. And 1082 01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:20,840 the only way you can really appreciate it is from 1083 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,479 the air. And this is one of those things that 1084 01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:29,119 I'd seen in pictures. I've seen the documentaries. I've seen 1085 01:08:29,159 --> 01:08:31,920 Fritz in La go there and talk about the place. 1086 01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:34,640 But I wanted to go see it for myself and 1087 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:39,520 had all the camera gear, and so I arrived there 1088 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:44,680 on Sunday, and they're open on Sundays, but the museum 1089 01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:50,079 part is closed, and there wasn't a whole lot of 1090 01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:52,960 traffic there, but there was some workers there, but not 1091 01:08:53,119 --> 01:08:55,640 nearly as you know, not even half as many as 1092 01:08:55,680 --> 01:09:00,680 there usually is from what I've been told. So I 1093 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:05,840 get there and I'm walking up and they had this 1094 01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,520 concrete walkway and this big sign Welcome to Serpent Mound. 1095 01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:14,760 And right to the right is a small mound. And 1096 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,520 when I say small, I'm comparing it to the Eenon 1097 01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,760 or the Miamisburg. But it's still a decent mound, and 1098 01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,199 it's in the middle of a flat, open field, so 1099 01:09:25,239 --> 01:09:28,239 it stands out. So I got some pictures of it, 1100 01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,119 you know, but I just kind of kept going. And 1101 01:09:31,159 --> 01:09:34,600 this path goes down by this gift shop and it 1102 01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:39,600 curls out to the Serpent Mound. And for those that's 1103 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,000 seen pictures or videos and stuff on it, you know, 1104 01:09:42,039 --> 01:09:45,399 there's that metal sky tower that you can climb up 1105 01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,800 and get a better aerial view of. So as you're 1106 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,520 curling around, you see that sky tower. And they have 1107 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,000 all these little placards and signs that you can read 1108 01:09:55,039 --> 01:09:58,479 and get information about the site. And I'm sitting there 1109 01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,399 reading one of the signs and this woman and her 1110 01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,560 husband walks up and they're just kind of looking at it, 1111 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,279 and we're talking a little bit, and I made a 1112 01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:12,800 joke about giants being in the mound and she's like, yo, 1113 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,560 you know it, and I'm like, cool, I done found 1114 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,159 a friend, you know. And as we're talking, she was like, well, 1115 01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:22,680 you know, they dug up a giant in that mound 1116 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,279 as soon as you walk up right. I was like 1117 01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:30,359 huh and she's like yeah, it was over seven feet 1118 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:36,079 at the knees that when they found it from the 1119 01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:39,319 kneecaps down, it was missing and its hands were missing. 1120 01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,680 I was like really, She's like yeah, so who knows. 1121 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:48,000 Maybe it had six fingers and six topes. And I'm like, now, 1122 01:10:48,039 --> 01:10:51,680 that's definitely interesting. And so then I asked her. I 1123 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,520 was like, well, you care if I pull out my 1124 01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,720 camera and you tell that story and I just talked. 1125 01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,479 Speaker 2: To you a little bit and she was like, yeah, 1126 01:10:58,479 --> 01:10:59,039 that's fine. 1127 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,640 Speaker 1: And as I was talking to her, she told the 1128 01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,760 story and everything, but she's like, but if you're into 1129 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:11,159 this kind of thing, there's a shop about six miles 1130 01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:17,000 down the road, she said, called the Alternate Universe Fossil 1131 01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:21,159 and Stone Shop. She said there's a guy there named Thomas. 1132 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:26,000 He worked with the Smithsonian for a long time and 1133 01:11:26,359 --> 01:11:31,159 his wife is an Indian or a Native heritage person, 1134 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,560 and they're both really into the Serpent Mound and they 1135 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,960 do tours and all kinds of stuff, and they're into 1136 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,560 the giants and things like that. I think you'd really 1137 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,319 profit from going and seeing those people. So I was like, sweet, yeah, man, 1138 01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,960 then you know, got a cool lead and another potential interview. 1139 01:11:52,039 --> 01:11:54,239 So I was really thankful for that. When I walked around, 1140 01:11:54,279 --> 01:11:58,119 and it was really cool. Man, got lots of video, 1141 01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,840 lots of pictures. Of course, I was myself, so I 1142 01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:05,199 was having to carry a drone, a tripod, my camera, 1143 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,960 you know, and all this stuff. So I was having 1144 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,800 to like set my tripod down and set the camera 1145 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,960 up and get some footage me walking and you know, 1146 01:12:14,279 --> 01:12:16,399 just all these different things, trying to be creative to 1147 01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:20,279 get some good shots. But as I'm walking, I just 1148 01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:25,720 like every ten feet it says no drones, no drones, 1149 01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:27,159 no drones. 1150 01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:29,840 Speaker 2: And I'm like, what the hell. 1151 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,359 Speaker 1: So then I was like, well, maybe I get some 1152 01:12:33,359 --> 01:12:35,039 good footage from that sky tower. 1153 01:12:36,079 --> 01:12:37,439 Speaker 2: So I start walking the sky tower. 1154 01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:41,560 Speaker 1: They got it sectioned off so you can't fly drone, 1155 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:46,680 you can't get in the sky tower. And I'm like, dude, 1156 01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:49,319 So I'm sitting there debating in my head. I'm like, 1157 01:12:50,119 --> 01:12:53,760 I'm kind of a ask for forgiveness instead of permission. Guy, anyway, 1158 01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,119 I might just risk it. But I was like, I'm 1159 01:12:57,159 --> 01:12:59,600 going to get all my footage first. I'm gonna get 1160 01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,680 everything I need and try to get that last or 1161 01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:07,000 make that choice or that decision last. And so I 1162 01:13:07,039 --> 01:13:09,159 got all my footage and stuff, and then I remembered 1163 01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,880 La mar Zuoli and Fritz talking about there used to 1164 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:16,079 be a standing stone at the head and that grave. 1165 01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:19,039 Robbers tipped it over and tried to find treasure and 1166 01:13:19,079 --> 01:13:22,399 stuff and just being jerks like most people are, throw 1167 01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,399 it off the side of the cliff there. So I 1168 01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,159 went down in the woods try to find it, and 1169 01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:30,760 I found it. It was really cool, got some pictures 1170 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,479 and video of it it, set up the tripod and 1171 01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,640 squat next to it and talked about it and stuff. 1172 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,239 Just had a really really good time, got some real 1173 01:13:37,279 --> 01:13:41,000 good footage, I believe. But it comes time for the 1174 01:13:41,079 --> 01:13:43,720 decision to be made, and it was late in the 1175 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,800 afternoon and there was only a handful of people there. 1176 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,800 There's like maybe five six people walking around, and this 1177 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:54,039 is big. It covers a large span, and I make 1178 01:13:54,079 --> 01:13:55,760 it to the head of the serpent. I'm like, I'm 1179 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,960 going to take off from the serpent head and fly back. 1180 01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:04,239 Can make just one quick pass and land it and 1181 01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:08,399 grab it and go, you know. And there's one guy 1182 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,880 up there at the head and he's walking away as 1183 01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,239 I'm walking up, so I just kind of wait around. 1184 01:14:13,279 --> 01:14:15,479 He takes off and he rounds this corner and gets 1185 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,039 out of side. So I pull out the drone and 1186 01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,279 start it up, and I take off and I get 1187 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,439 a good aerial shot of the egg and the head, 1188 01:14:25,039 --> 01:14:27,840 and I'm starting to ease forward, you know. And I'm 1189 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,359 creeping forward and I get to what the little turn 1190 01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,920 spot is where it cuts back. So I got about 1191 01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:37,319 halfway down at and it told me I was out 1192 01:14:37,319 --> 01:14:40,399 of range, So I gotta do something. I gotta figure 1193 01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:43,159 out how to get this drone some better range. So 1194 01:14:43,239 --> 01:14:45,159 then I started walking down the path and I was like, well, 1195 01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:47,119 I'll just get closer to it and keep going to 1196 01:14:47,119 --> 01:14:51,159 walk with it. And as I started walking, of course 1197 01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:55,039 these drones a buzz and I'm looking at the screen, 1198 01:14:56,359 --> 01:15:02,520 and then all of a sudden I just hear sir, sir, sir. 1199 01:15:03,119 --> 01:15:07,439 I'm like shit, and I look up and it was 1200 01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:11,079 the guy that had walked away, and I was like, god, 1201 01:15:11,119 --> 01:15:13,359 I like to land it. So then I just flipped 1202 01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:15,319 back to me real quick, you know, and landed it. 1203 01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:21,359 And guy walks up and he's like, hey, I don't 1204 01:15:21,359 --> 01:15:27,000 know if you've not noticed the signs, but we don't 1205 01:15:27,039 --> 01:15:31,079 allow drones here. I was like, oh really, I didn't know. 1206 01:15:32,119 --> 01:15:33,960 I was like, I was just excited. I just got 1207 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,279 this drone and I was just excited to be here. Man. 1208 01:15:36,319 --> 01:15:39,920 I just took off and launched it. I wouldn't pay 1209 01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,600 no attention to the signs, you know, my bad. And 1210 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,159 he's like, well, it's pretty heavily posted, and then it 1211 01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:49,920 is it's like every ten feet you can't miss this sucker. 1212 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,600 And then I landed and I was talking to you 1213 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,199 and I was like, oh, you know, my bad. You know, 1214 01:15:55,239 --> 01:15:57,520 it was like, well the sky towers closed. I said, 1215 01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,680 you can't fly a drone. I was like, how can 1216 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,720 you see this thing? I was like I see people 1217 01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:06,239 blind drones all the time on YouTube and he was 1218 01:16:06,279 --> 01:16:10,399 like yeah, that, you know, because they filled out forms 1219 01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,680 and stuff. And I was like, well, why don't they 1220 01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,920 allow drone footage? And he was like, well, because you know, 1221 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,239 this is a burial ground. This is sacred land. You know, 1222 01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:25,479 it's a sacred place. You know, people come here and 1223 01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:31,079 do ceremonies and meditate and you know there do their 1224 01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:34,399 religious stuff here. You know, it's it's a sacred place. 1225 01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:37,720 And so I look at him and I was like, 1226 01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:42,000 so feeling out a form makes it unsacred for a 1227 01:16:42,079 --> 01:16:47,439 little while. And he just kind of looks at Me's like, well, yeah, 1228 01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:51,520 well you got me there. And so at this time 1229 01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,600 he I was talking, I was folding the drone up 1230 01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,439 and putting it away, and I was like, all right, then, 1231 01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,119 well I appreciate it. And I started to walk around 1232 01:17:01,159 --> 01:17:03,960 the other side, and he was like, sir, uh. 1233 01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:06,880 Speaker 2: The rules are the rules. I'm gonna have to ask 1234 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:07,439 you to leave. 1235 01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,319 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, okay, you know, because I 1236 01:17:15,319 --> 01:17:17,520 didn't got everything I needed anyway at that point with 1237 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:21,520 something they didn't bring out you know, security and you know, 1238 01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,319 escort me out with handcuffs and all that stuff. But 1239 01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,760 you know, he was cool about it. He was like that, 1240 01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,720 I'm just gonna have to ask you to leave. And 1241 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,479 so I walked out and he just kind of walked 1242 01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,279 with me, just talking with me on the way out. 1243 01:17:34,399 --> 01:17:37,399 But uh, it was funny. Once once I met it 1244 01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,239 to the parking lot, it has kind of hit me. 1245 01:17:39,279 --> 01:17:43,800 I was like, I've hit Graham Hancock status. I'm one 1246 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,520 of the few people that's been asked to leave, sir ma'am. 1247 01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,439 And I'd say I'm one of the few people. I mean, 1248 01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,520 there's been plenty people to get aerial footage of it, 1249 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:58,039 but not without feeling out the proper paperwork and taking 1250 01:17:58,039 --> 01:18:02,720 off from inside the place. So because I actually went 1251 01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,279 to that shop, talked to that guy and had an 1252 01:18:04,319 --> 01:18:07,159 interview with him, and that we had a great discussion. 1253 01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:09,800 But he told me you should have just went off 1254 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:15,439 the property to the road or out into the field 1255 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,359 off of their property and flew over. He said, they 1256 01:18:18,359 --> 01:18:21,880 don't own rights to the air. He said. All the 1257 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,399 good drone footage that you see of Serpent Man was 1258 01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,439 captured that way, he said, because you know, they don't 1259 01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:31,079 own the air. He said, so if you fly in 1260 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,079 from off of their property, there's nothing they can do 1261 01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:38,279 about it. But I got a little bit of drone 1262 01:18:38,279 --> 01:18:43,239 footage and I launched and landed within the site. 1263 01:18:43,359 --> 01:18:46,239 Speaker 4: So that makes you wonder why they actually have that 1264 01:18:46,359 --> 01:18:50,560 rule though it doesn't make sense because you caught him 1265 01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,920 on that that if it's religious and you can't do 1266 01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,920 it because it's sacred, but if you fill a form 1267 01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,079 out it's unsacred. That that doesn't make it. That doesn't 1268 01:18:57,079 --> 01:18:57,520 add up. 1269 01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:01,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'd say there's some exchange of some money, 1270 01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,960 you know, some donations. 1271 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,439 Speaker 4: Some Smithsonian donations. 1272 01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. But it was a good trip, man. 1273 01:19:10,039 --> 01:19:13,319 Speaker 1: I had a good time, And I'll show you some 1274 01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:17,039 stuff that I grabbed when I went to that shop. 1275 01:19:17,359 --> 01:19:19,600 Anybody that's in the area and go sees that place, 1276 01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:25,399 definitely go check that shop out. It's often Universe Rock 1277 01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:30,479 and Fossil shop. He actually has pictures of the giant 1278 01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,159 that they dug up, and he even told me that 1279 01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:36,000 this giant was on display all the way up till 1280 01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:40,800 nineteen ninety when they passed that Indian sacred bill or 1281 01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,840 whatever about returning the bones and not disturbing their sites 1282 01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:44,399 and stuff. 1283 01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,800 Speaker 2: But check him out. That's him. 1284 01:19:50,199 --> 01:19:54,800 Speaker 1: And that was what was found in that canonical mound, 1285 01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,920 and it was on display till nineteen ninety, so it's 1286 01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,680 pretty cool. So they had these on postcar cards, so 1287 01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:02,600 I bought a bunch of them. I made sure I 1288 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,960 got one for Steve and for Ben, and he had 1289 01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,760 some other cool postcards too, and he only wanted like 1290 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,680 fifty cents for these. So there's a drone shot of 1291 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,920 its full length. So I took off from up here 1292 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:25,960 and I made it about right here, and there's the 1293 01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,279 curve that he went around when I thought that he 1294 01:20:29,399 --> 01:20:31,600 was gone, but he heard the buzzing of the drone 1295 01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,880 and came running back. I really wanted to get some 1296 01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:39,239 drone footage of that. That was really cool, that coiled tail. 1297 01:20:41,319 --> 01:20:44,479 But there was also this, and I was like, man, 1298 01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:47,479 let's just crop circle, and he was like, this was 1299 01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:53,439 a crop circle found on August twenty fourth and two 1300 01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:57,239 thousand and three. It was two hundred and seventy one 1301 01:20:57,279 --> 01:20:59,720 feet from the top of the large ring to the 1302 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,479 bat them of the small ring circle, all oriented east 1303 01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:08,560 to west. And he said that that popped up in 1304 01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:13,840 the field across from a serpent mound. And then he 1305 01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,199 had this when this was pretty cool, and this was 1306 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:21,760 an alternative theory that I hadn't heard before because I 1307 01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,880 always heard La Marzouli's theory. You know that it's the 1308 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:28,960 serpent eating the egg, and it goes back to Genesis 1309 01:21:29,039 --> 01:21:33,079 three fifteen. You know, the seed war, and I had 1310 01:21:33,159 --> 01:21:35,800 also thought, I'm like, well, there's a lot of mythology 1311 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:42,359 that talks about a world serpent putting forth the cosmic egg, 1312 01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,000 you know, creation. So I sometimes wondered if it was 1313 01:21:46,039 --> 01:21:50,000 actually puking or spinning up the egg like creation maybe 1314 01:21:50,039 --> 01:21:51,840 instead of it actually trying to eat it. 1315 01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,880 Speaker 2: And I won't spoil. 1316 01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:01,439 Speaker 1: The whole interpretation because the interview I gave, he pulls 1317 01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,760 up this diagram and gives this whole lecture on why 1318 01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:08,520 it is what he's saying that he thinks it is, 1319 01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,680 and it's pretty cool how he lays it out. 1320 01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:16,880 Speaker 2: But so here you have the alignments. 1321 01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:21,319 Speaker 1: You got the summer solstice right here, and then you 1322 01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:26,920 got the summer solstice rise, the equinox, and all these 1323 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,560 different things that line up with the curls of the serpent. 1324 01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:37,119 But you notice there he's got a turtle, and he 1325 01:22:37,239 --> 01:22:42,560 said that that oval is the turtle shell, and that 1326 01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:51,000 in the original construction there was mounds at these limbs, 1327 01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:54,920 and that little dot at the tip of the egg 1328 01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,039 it looks kind of like a triangle, was the head 1329 01:22:58,439 --> 01:22:59,079 of the turtle. 1330 01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,399 Speaker 4: Was that standing stone part of that. 1331 01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,119 Speaker 1: The standing stone? I can't remember. I have to look 1332 01:23:05,159 --> 01:23:08,239 it up either the standing stone was either inside of 1333 01:23:08,279 --> 01:23:11,920 the shell or inside of the dot at the head, 1334 01:23:12,039 --> 01:23:13,119 one of the two places. 1335 01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:14,399 Speaker 4: That's pretty cool. 1336 01:23:15,239 --> 01:23:20,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, he said, And this interpretation matches the Indian 1337 01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:24,840 traditions that they talk about, he said, And it represents 1338 01:23:26,319 --> 01:23:33,600 the serpent was South America, the feathered plume serpent coming 1339 01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:39,960 up from South America, and the turtle is representative of 1340 01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:47,640 North America. And so it's basically showing that Quasi Kettle 1341 01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:53,039 was coming up and consuming North America and with it 1342 01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:59,199 bringing corn because he was the corn god. But yeah, 1343 01:23:59,279 --> 01:24:01,840 it was definitely an interesting conversation that I had with them. 1344 01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,119 Speaker 4: So that's awesome. 1345 01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:04,520 Speaker 2: I just got that to look forward to. 1346 01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,920 Speaker 4: All right, well, listen, guys, this is this trip was 1347 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:15,600 awesome for us. We we we obviously got to see 1348 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,279 something that we were really interested in and and something 1349 01:24:18,319 --> 01:24:20,039 I know I had been looking forward to seeing a 1350 01:24:20,079 --> 01:24:21,960 lot of these things I missed out on Serpent Mound, 1351 01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:26,000 which I'm disappointed. I will play a second fiddle in 1352 01:24:26,039 --> 01:24:29,000 the royalty phase of the of the dig here because 1353 01:24:29,399 --> 01:24:33,279 we got Graham Hancock status over there. But man, it 1354 01:24:33,319 --> 01:24:35,520 was it was an awesome trip. We got to see 1355 01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,600 some really cool things, And there is so many books 1356 01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,359 and so many resources, and we shared a lot of 1357 01:24:41,399 --> 01:24:44,399 those things. Look into Fritz's book looking to do hers, 1358 01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:47,039 looking to a squire, Look into all these different books, 1359 01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:52,439 the different stuff. There's so much information into this, and 1360 01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,600 then figure out for yourself what you believe in this 1361 01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,840 and and your your theories on these things. But I'll 1362 01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:00,760 tell you it's a rabbit trail at does not end. 1363 01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's then got me thinking about the. 1364 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,000 Speaker 2: The next trip where'll be go on and stuff. 1365 01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:15,800 Speaker 1: Oh and this is one of my things that I 1366 01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:17,439 picked up from his shop. 1367 01:25:19,159 --> 01:25:20,359 Speaker 4: Is that petrified wood? 1368 01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a rock. 1369 01:25:24,199 --> 01:25:27,399 Speaker 1: And see when I seen it, it reminded me of 1370 01:25:28,119 --> 01:25:31,479 when I went to meet Richard Reeves. I actually got 1371 01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,840 to hold a piece of Noah's arc that would belong 1372 01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:34,800 to Ron Whitatt. 1373 01:25:35,319 --> 01:25:36,399 Speaker 2: And it was just like this. 1374 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,279 Speaker 1: It was like a like a stone or a rock, 1375 01:25:39,359 --> 01:25:43,000 but it was a lot bigger. But I got that, 1376 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:48,880 And then I got my first erawhead or spear. 1377 01:25:52,159 --> 01:25:52,800 Speaker 4: That's cool. 1378 01:25:54,199 --> 01:25:55,760 Speaker 2: But he's got all that stuff there. 1379 01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,479 Speaker 1: But he said he thought it was originally a spear, 1380 01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,279 but I can't remember what he called it. He said, 1381 01:26:00,279 --> 01:26:03,800 but he thinks that they later whittled it down and 1382 01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:05,319 what I can't remember what he said, but he was 1383 01:26:05,359 --> 01:26:10,039 holding it like this and and and doing this. So 1384 01:26:10,039 --> 01:26:12,119 I don't know if he's talking about as a scraper 1385 01:26:12,199 --> 01:26:18,119 or what. But my first little arrowhead or spear that's cool, 1386 01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:21,680 or my collection of old stuff. Definitely check out check 1387 01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:23,079 out his shop if you're in the area. 1388 01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:29,000 Speaker 4: Well, guys, thanks for listening, Thanks for digging in with 1389 01:26:29,119 --> 01:26:35,600 us and and really searching for that that lost truth, 1390 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:40,920 that ancient truth that we all know started with God 1391 01:26:41,039 --> 01:26:43,720 and the Guard to Eden and it's all been trickling 1392 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,920 down from there. But as always, guys. 1393 01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:48,399 Speaker 2: Keep digging. 1394 01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:04,840 Speaker 3: Beast by name, they say, the trips will costume friends 1395 01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:09,880 can't find me. Somebody agents the same re who has 1396 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,359 a softer face, swim fires. 1397 01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:14,000 Speaker 1: Let be