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And again, thank you so 9 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:28,320 much for your support. 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: So there's still a little bit more. 11 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: I've got some messages here also on the story about 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:41,600 the redistricting move that the legislative leaders announced yesterday that 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,320 they are going to when they reconvene on Monday the twentieth, 14 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:51,560 they're going to introduce new congressional maps. They are allowed 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:57,240 to do a redraw of the congressional maps outside of 16 00:00:57,359 --> 00:01:03,600 the decade sens timeframe. They're not allowed to do a 17 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:08,040 redraw of the districts for the state legislative races. So 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,239 General Assembly, State House, and Senate. None of those maps 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,840 are getting touched. They are constitutionally prohibited from doing those maps. 20 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:23,000 They are not constitutionally prohibited from doing the congressional maps. 21 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:27,640 And as I mentioned in the last hour. Republicans currently 22 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:32,519 have ten of the fourteen seats. If they redraw the lines, 23 00:01:32,799 --> 00:01:37,359 the general belief is that they will seek to make 24 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:45,000 the first district a little more Republican by probably taking 25 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:50,799 some voters or swapping voters between the third district, which 26 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,959 is Republican leaning. Greg Murphy Republican represents the third district, 27 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,719 and so the idea, the belief is that they would 28 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:03,680 move the lines around to make the first district more 29 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,159 vulnerable for the Democrat incumbent Don Davis. But the risk 30 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,159 there is that when you do something like that, you 31 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:16,039 run the risk of then making the third district more 32 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,159 vulnerable for your incumbent Greg Murphy. That's what Andy Jackson 33 00:02:21,319 --> 00:02:27,800 called dummymandering. Here's an email from John who says, here 34 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,479 is a giant gamble that the Republicans are doing. Historically, 35 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,159 the off year election is very bad for the party 36 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:37,599 that has the White House. That is true, especially a 37 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,199 first term. If you remember twenty eighteen, Republicans were decimated 38 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,560 not only at the federal level, but it went all 39 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:46,439 the way down to the county elections. Now this is 40 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:49,080 not Trump's first term per se, so it's really hard 41 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,400 to gauge based on history. There's only been one other 42 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:55,599 time that a president has served two terms non consecutively, 43 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,759 and that was a very long time ago. But even then, 44 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,080 usually the party of the White House does not do 45 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,800 well in the mid terms. 46 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:04,879 Speaker 3: Right. 47 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,039 Speaker 1: That's what Republicans at the national level are worried about, 48 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:17,520 is Democrats performing well in the midterms and they lose 49 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:22,520 control of the House and or the Senate because the 50 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,719 House is so closely divided. And as I mentioned in 51 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:30,479 the last hour, the census counts were error ridden in 52 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:35,680 more than a dozen states. It gave additional population counts 53 00:03:35,719 --> 00:03:39,800 to Democrat states, like five of the seven or six 54 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,280 of the seven, whatever it was, and it undercounted Republican states. 55 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:45,719 So Republicans in Texas said, well, wait a minute, you're 56 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:50,439 counting non citizens towards your population counts, and you screwed 57 00:03:50,479 --> 00:03:52,800 us over by undercounting our state. So we're going to 58 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:55,960 redistrict and we're going to correct this mistake that was 59 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,800 made by the census. Okay, As John points out though, 60 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,280 that the Democrats are also probably in their weakest position 61 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:08,639 in terms of popularity in history, so it may work 62 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,039 out for the Republicans, And I agree with John's assessment. 63 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,280 This is the gamble that Republicans are making. And by 64 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,680 the way, Democrats are also making the same kind of 65 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,920 a gamble, right that they can withstand charges of hypocrisy 66 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,560 that they are doing the exact same thing that the 67 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,360 Republicans are doing and claiming that we don't do it 68 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,160 while they're actually doing the thing that they're lambasting. Right, 69 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:38,160 They're literally going to go ask California voters to suspend 70 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:42,600 their own constitution to eliminate the quote independent Redistricting Commission, 71 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:45,759 which I don't believe is independent, but different topic, Like, 72 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:49,639 they're going to have to suspend their own constitutional provision 73 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:55,199 in order to let the lawmakers draw more Democrat seats 74 00:04:55,399 --> 00:04:59,639 in the House. And I point this out California has 75 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,879 like forty percent registered Republicans. Forty percent of their registered 76 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,399 voters are Republicans, and they have somewhere in the neighborhood 77 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:12,439 it's like mid twenty percent or high twenty percent of 78 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,079 the congressional seats are held by Republicans. So that's the 79 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,680 standard Democrats usually argue, is that whatever the total population 80 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:28,800 is by voter registration or by presidential outcomes, right, the 81 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:32,879 final votes, like you should take those percentages and basically 82 00:05:32,959 --> 00:05:35,600 create a proportional map. 83 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: Right, if you've got. 84 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:41,199 Speaker 1: Fifty percent registered Democrat fifty percent registered Republican, then the 85 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,759 seat should be split fifty to fifty. 86 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: That's their argument. But they don't live by that argument. 87 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: They don't apply that standard to themselves when they control 88 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:54,879 the map drawing process, and so Republicans are now also 89 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,199 playing by those rules. 90 00:05:56,199 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: This is the same standard. 91 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,759 Speaker 1: Look, redistricting is inherently a political process. It always has been. 92 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,279 So that's the background. Let me jump over here and 93 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:08,720 get Mike. Hello, Mike, Welcome to the program. 94 00:06:09,399 --> 00:06:11,759 Speaker 3: Hello Pete, it's been a minute. How are you doing, Hey, Bike, 95 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,720 how are you doing well? I wanted to just sort 96 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,720 of engage in a philosophical discussion about rediscuting and jerry mandering. 97 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:23,680 I had a great texting conversation several weeks ago with 98 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:29,240 your former colleague Al Gardner, who was writing in response 99 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:34,399 to a post I'd made after Texas followed up on 100 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,720 the request from from Trump to hey, I need I 101 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:43,079 need some more seats, And I had written a post 102 00:06:43,079 --> 00:06:47,000 that basically went back to talk about a constitutional amendment 103 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,680 that was proposed proposed by John Paul Stephens after he retired, 104 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:57,600 that would put in the Constitution a means by which 105 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:06,079 we could form districts without regard to frankly political benefit. 106 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:10,160 And I've been saying. What Al reminded me was I've 107 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,600 been saying for thirty years on air when he had 108 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:17,439 me in for to do election work, et cetera, that 109 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,560 jerry managing, no matter who's doing it is bad. It's 110 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,480 not a good thing for many of the reasons that 111 00:07:25,519 --> 00:07:30,360 you were talking about. Where I'm struggling, Pete Is, I 112 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,319 would think is a you know, a libertarian such as 113 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:39,920 yourself would want the hands of legislatures out of the 114 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:46,360 mix when it comes to picking picking voters. And you 115 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:47,000 know the old. 116 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,839 Speaker 2: Friend, where's that where's that amendment? 117 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:54,639 Speaker 3: It is in a book called Six Amendments that John No. 118 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,079 Speaker 1: I mean, has it been has it been submitted for 119 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,680 committee markup and submitted his states to ratify as it 120 00:08:02,079 --> 00:08:03,959 gotten any kind of legislative. 121 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 3: Backing, not to my knowledge. 122 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,639 Speaker 2: I wish the Democrats didn't run the amendment, they didn't 123 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:09,319 try to push this. 124 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,199 Speaker 3: No. I would like to say it was something out 125 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:15,360 of a book that he did retired. 126 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:16,519 Speaker 2: See, so here's the problem. 127 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,959 Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the problem, right, is that you're asking 128 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:24,000 me to engage in the philosophical debate at the expense 129 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,759 of the reality on the ground. I, as Rush Limbaugh 130 00:08:27,879 --> 00:08:30,639 used to call himself, the mayor of Realville, I am 131 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,320 a resident of realvill So I deal with things as 132 00:08:33,399 --> 00:08:35,120 they are and to And that's why I'm not a 133 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,399 capital L libertarian, because I recognize the lay of the 134 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:41,799 land and the rules that we are playing under, and 135 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:45,600 the rules that we are playing under are currently that 136 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,919 the legislatures draw the. 137 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 3: Maps, right, and so it's all a power play, that's 138 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:53,679 kind of that's that's. 139 00:08:53,759 --> 00:08:56,159 Speaker 2: That's been what that's always been what we've been dealing with. 140 00:08:57,519 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 3: And that's a good thing. 141 00:08:58,639 --> 00:09:00,799 Speaker 2: Oh that's a different question. It's a good thing. 142 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:01,759 Speaker 3: What is it? So? 143 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: What would be So if it turned out that you 144 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,440 are going to draw maps that have no uh, that 145 00:09:08,759 --> 00:09:11,480 don't take into account of you know, no attention paid 146 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:17,159 to partisan makeup registered voters, party affiliations, right, then what 147 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:18,799 do you how do you draw the districts? 148 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 3: You do it without regard? 149 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: No, no, don't tell me now, don't tell me what 150 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,480 to ignore, tell me what they look at. 151 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 3: To draw them, use neutral criteria such as natural political 152 00:09:30,799 --> 00:09:31,919 or historical boundaries. 153 00:09:32,039 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, like the California model changes. Yeah, like the California model. 154 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: I'm not that familiar with the California model, but basically, 155 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,639 you look at it without regard. 156 00:09:42,799 --> 00:09:45,399 Speaker 1: To again, do not define it in the negative. No, 157 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:47,399 do not define it in the negative. You've got to 158 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,679 define the positive criteria that you would use to draw 159 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,200 the quote unquote fair maps. 160 00:09:53,039 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 3: Why can't you define what you want to avoid? 161 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: No, I'm asking you what the I'm asking because you 162 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,000 cannot define some something by what you carve out and 163 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,519 then say, well, whatever's left over. 164 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,039 Speaker 2: No, I want to know what it is you're going 165 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,919 to look at. What is the criteria? 166 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 3: Well, I just gave me some neutral criteria. 167 00:10:11,919 --> 00:10:16,039 Speaker 2: And geographic boundaries. What's that geographic boundaries? 168 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 3: You said, natural political or historical boundaries. 169 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: Right, that's the California model. And their Independent Redistricting Commission 170 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:29,320 was gained by you'll never guess the Democrats. 171 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: Well, then that's a problem with the institution of that 172 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:34,559 particular commission. 173 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: It was a brand new commission set up with people 174 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,000 that had no political experience whatsoever. Because that was one 175 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:42,240 of the other criterias, a negative criteria. They wanted people 176 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,600 that had no experience in politics whatsoever, had never donated 177 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,639 money to any candidates or anything like that. So they 178 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,000 got people in there that had no idea what they 179 00:10:51,039 --> 00:10:53,919 were dealing with, which is a political process, and they 180 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:59,039 got steamrolled by fake groups that set up websites that 181 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:03,720 claimed to be of community of interest, They made up 182 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:08,320 certain organizations, and they gained the system. That's how they 183 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,679 did that, because it is about it is about power, 184 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:14,159 and it always has been. And you're at and so 185 00:11:14,279 --> 00:11:16,480 you're saying you want to set up this system that 186 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:19,360 has the same criteria as the California model that has 187 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,480 resulted in the very kind of underrepresentation that Democrats complain 188 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,000 of in red states. 189 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 3: Again, I don't know the problems with how the California 190 00:11:29,399 --> 00:11:33,480 model was executed. What I do know is this, you 191 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:36,519 talk about being in Realsville. I'm talking about being a 192 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,320 realist too, And the really realism is we do not 193 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,480 live in a perfect world and not ever going to 194 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:45,279 be a perfect system. Where you and I disagree is 195 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,480 I think we can do far, far, far better, Ben 196 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:55,759 just simply as the old saying goes, getting voters getting politicians. 197 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: So here's here's my challenge to you. 198 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: Here's my challenge to you, as a democrat, and act 199 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:07,360 and act these ideas in states you control, you democrats control, 200 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:11,960 do it. There's nothing stopping you, guys. Now, there's nothing 201 00:12:12,039 --> 00:12:14,480 stopping you guys from doing the very things. If you 202 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,200 are doing it for the principled, philosophical reasons that you state, 203 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,519 then do it well. 204 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: And in many states that has already been done, Pete. 205 00:12:23,519 --> 00:12:27,600 In terms of democratics control states going to a more 206 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:32,120 independent process, the problem is that becomes unilateral disarmament. 207 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: And they're there, right, and therein lies the problem. So 208 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,600 if you want to go back to the first thing 209 00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:40,320 that you mentioned about the constitutional amendment, then have the 210 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,519 democrats run it. Why haven't they proposed this thing with 211 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:46,039 the positive criteria to let us know exactly how they 212 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:46,559 want to do it. 213 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: But here's the thing. 214 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,639 Speaker 1: Whatever system you construct is going to have flaws, as 215 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,720 you noted, right, and so those flaws are going to 216 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:58,799 be exploited. And that means when people drawing the legislation up, 217 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,600 they will know what the exploitation should be for them. 218 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,840 That's that's going to be baked into the cake. So 219 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,840 like it's not a morally superior position, you're adopting or 220 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,200 arguing for here, you're just arguing for something different. No, 221 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:17,799 you're just arguing for some You're arguing for some different 222 00:13:17,879 --> 00:13:22,279 process that might redound more to the benefit of Democrats. 223 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 3: Not to the benefit of Democrats. 224 00:13:23,919 --> 00:13:26,639 Speaker 2: Sure it is, no, No, of course it is, Mike. 225 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: Come on, you would not be you would not be 226 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,440 advocating any kind of a new system that would give 227 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,600 Republicans a three hundred majority. 228 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,279 Speaker 3: Aren't you saying by saying that, Pete, that if we 229 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:41,919 develop a system it's more reflective of the general population, 230 00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:43,639 that's gonna hurt Republicans. 231 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,159 Speaker 1: And that's your argument. No, that's your argument, Mike, Mike, that'sment. 232 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,039 No it's not, Mike, that's your argument. That has always 233 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,519 been the democrats argument. That's why I said it. You 234 00:13:53,639 --> 00:13:56,279 guys only want I've said this for years. When Democrats 235 00:13:56,279 --> 00:13:58,240 say fair maps, they mean maps that were down to 236 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:01,080 the benefit of Democrats, because I could just as easily 237 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,159 say that, well, Donald Trump won a majority of the 238 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,600 popular vote, so he should get more of the seats too, 239 00:14:06,919 --> 00:14:07,960 so I could say that too. 240 00:14:08,279 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 2: Like, this is my point. 241 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: It's all about politics when drawing the districts. You just 242 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,679 want a different way to draw them that redounds to 243 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:16,759 democrats benefits. 244 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: That's it. I got a run. I appreciate the call. 245 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 4: My You know. 246 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,559 Speaker 1: Stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, 247 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:26,039 to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of 248 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,399 our past while transcending generations. They help us process the 249 00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:32,799 meaning of life and our stories are told through images 250 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,759 and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video started in 251 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,639 nineteen ninety seven and Minhill, North Carolina. 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Right, 270 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,279 And I got a message from Andy who points out 271 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:52,000 that the criteria that Mike mentioned is the criteria that 272 00:15:52,159 --> 00:16:00,559 is used constitutionally prescribed in North Carolina's legislative races. The 273 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:02,879 things that Mike was saying on when I said, what 274 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,720 are the positive criteria and he started saying, you know, 275 00:16:06,679 --> 00:16:10,519 geographic and political similarities or something like that, like these 276 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:16,480 are the things like compactness, whole counties, communities of interest 277 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,000 kind of thing like these are the criteria that already 278 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,799 exist for the state legislative maps. And the Democrats sued 279 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,000 over those too. See, so don't tell me that you 280 00:16:28,159 --> 00:16:31,840 want these criteria. And if only we had the criteria 281 00:16:31,879 --> 00:16:35,799 then then would make it all nonpartisan. Bull I know 282 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,519 you guys too well. So when I was a kid, 283 00:16:39,639 --> 00:16:42,440 my grandpa died with Alzheimer's and before he died, my 284 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:44,360 mom and my dad took care of him as he 285 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,200 got worse. Forty years ago, there were no treatments and 286 00:16:47,399 --> 00:16:50,399 not much support for caregivers and family. But things are 287 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,000 different today because of the work of so many people, 288 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:56,639 including the Alzheimer's Association of Western Carolina. It's a great 289 00:16:56,759 --> 00:17:00,879 organization with awesome people with huge hearts. Supporter for twenty 290 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,000 five years. This cause means a lot to me. I 291 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,400 participate in the annual Walk to End Alzheimer's and I'm 292 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,400 leading a Charlotte team again this year, and it's called 293 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:13,000 once again Pete's Pack. You can sign up and you 294 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:15,279 can join the team and walk with us. It's on 295 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,279 October eighteenth, that truest field. Sign up at alz dot 296 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,319 org slash walk and then you can search for my 297 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,680 team name Pete's Pack. There's also a link at thepetepod 298 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:28,000 dot com. There's also a link in the description of 299 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:31,759 this podcast. Also, I'll be am seeing the Gastonia Walk 300 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:34,000 on October eleventh, and so you can make a team 301 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:36,480 and join that one too, or make a donation and 302 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:38,839 help me hit my goal of five thousand dollars. If 303 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,039 you do, I really appreciate it. There are a bunch 304 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:43,480 of other walks all over the Carolinas. You can go 305 00:17:43,559 --> 00:17:46,480 to alz dot org slash walk for all the dates 306 00:17:46,519 --> 00:17:50,000 and locations. We're closer than ever to stopping Alzheimer's. Can 307 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:50,759 you help us get there? 308 00:17:50,839 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: Will you walk with me? For a different future, for families, 309 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,119 for more time for treatments. This is why we walk. 310 00:17:57,799 --> 00:18:00,680 Marcus has been hanging on. Thank you Mark for hanging on. 311 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:01,559 Welcome to the program. 312 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 4: How are you, God, I'm doing fine. 313 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 2: I hope you are your show as you Thank you, sir, 314 00:18:06,079 --> 00:18:06,599 appreciate that. 315 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all been talking about this redistion and everything instead 316 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:13,720 of going on forever. 317 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:16,839 Speaker 3: And there's no end to it. 318 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 4: But it's a real simple solution. You just uh you 319 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:25,480 know they worry about uh. You gotta throw out the 320 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,720 person's colors. You gotta throw out the uh what what 321 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,279 the populations is each district and just go by a 322 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:35,519 population of state, which is what the federal government doesn't 323 00:18:35,519 --> 00:18:38,759 how many representatives you have, and just take a map. 324 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,839 And it's gonna sound crazy, I know, but just take 325 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,599 a map. It's the only way to do it without 326 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,920 Unlet's you just want to thuss every two or three years. 327 00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:49,200 You just take a map, uh it's North Carolina. You 328 00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:52,119 get transparency with the how many squares you need to make, 329 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,839 the how many we got to have to represent this 330 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,440 flap it on there? Forget about how many in each district. 331 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,440 That ain't ever gonna work. You're gonna all you about 332 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,640 that forever, and just say, okay, if that's got fifty 333 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,680 thou that's okay. If I've got fifteen, that's okay. You know, 334 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,279 just let it go like that, and this in this add. 335 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: To it if you need to. Yeah. 336 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: But but Marcus, here, here's the issue is that the 337 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:23,279 people know what the areas of the map are. Right, 338 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,559 So you're looking at a map and you're saying, okay, 339 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,480 we're just looking at the head count basically, and so 340 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,079 you look at Charlotte, and Charlotte has what are we 341 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,160 at now, something like seven hundred eight hundred thousand people 342 00:19:35,279 --> 00:19:38,839 or something like. Charlotte should basically be one district. But 343 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,279 Democrats don't want that, right, Democrats don't want a single 344 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,799 Charlotte district because then, like if you were to then 345 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:50,319 start looking at all the surrounding areas and counting up 346 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,599 all of those seats and putting those into other districts, 347 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,480 you would have a lot of Republican districts. And so 348 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,720 people when they're drawing the maps and there looking at 349 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:03,599 the maps, they know, Okay, there are a lot of 350 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,920 Democrats living in Charlotte, there are a lot of Republicans 351 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,039 living in Union County, right, so they're going to know. 352 00:20:09,799 --> 00:20:13,279 How do you blind them to the to the to 353 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:18,279 the locations and their knowledge of who generally lives in 354 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:18,920 these areas. 355 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,519 Speaker 4: You don't worry about that. You just flapp transparent over 356 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:24,400 top and squares on it and that's it. 357 00:20:24,839 --> 00:20:25,519 Speaker 2: You can be right. 358 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:28,839 Speaker 1: But the people who are the people who are moving 359 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,839 the squares around are going to know that these are 360 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,039 rural areas. Unless you get like some kids in there 361 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,119 that haven't been taught geography, which is basically every American 362 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:38,920 in K twelve. 363 00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah they're not. 364 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: They're going to know this is a rural area. And 365 00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:44,559 you'll be able to know by the population counts. Right, 366 00:20:44,599 --> 00:20:46,599 If their little dots or something all over the map, 367 00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:48,880 you're going to know, well, these dots are you know, 368 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,000 few and far between, So that's a rural area, and 369 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:54,279 they're true, they're generally going to be voting Republican. 370 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:55,839 Speaker 3: Well you don't. 371 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,799 Speaker 4: You don't worry about that. You just they will. 372 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:00,759 Speaker 3: You can't stop that district. 373 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 2: No, No, that's what I mean, though. 374 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,319 Speaker 1: You can't stop people with the knowledge of rural voters 375 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,880 voting Republican, urban voters voting Democrats. So how do you 376 00:21:09,079 --> 00:21:12,119 blind them to that knowledge? 377 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 4: You just slap that thing off top up and that's it. 378 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:17,319 You don't worry about it, and then then they can 379 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:18,480 look at you keep that's the. 380 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,319 Speaker 2: Square, right, But Marcus, you keep saying, you keep saying that. 381 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: But like if I'm looking at the map and I'm 382 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,960 looking at the population on the map, I'm going to 383 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:28,960 know where Charlotte is on that map. 384 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:31,839 Speaker 4: Oh sure, sure. And if it's got one big square, 385 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,319 that's fine too. I Mean, the thing is, you know, 386 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,680 you need to make it permanent unless to get more 387 00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:39,039 people in it. And then just as sure, like the 388 00:21:39,079 --> 00:21:42,000 square smaller. Well, I'm saying, you slap that sucker on there, 389 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,960 and that's it. They can't argue about nothing. Just putting 390 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,079 on them, that's it. And that's you know, because they 391 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,759 can argue about everything. But I know, I know that 392 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:50,599 that won't be done. But that's the simplest way. 393 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,839 Speaker 1: To do it well, I would advise against adopting what 394 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,240 appears to be the quote simplest solution because it's usually 395 00:21:58,319 --> 00:22:01,079 not a solution at all. And in fact, as Thomas 396 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,119 Soul says, there are no solutions, there are only trade offs. Right, 397 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,640 So what you're doing is and look that, I mean, 398 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,480 that was what you're describing is sort of the lofty 399 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:17,119 goal that was articulated in California twenty years ago when 400 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,960 they did their independent Redistricting Commission, And that's what they said, 401 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,599 that's what they promised. They were like, we're going to 402 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,680 have people drawing these maps that have like zero political 403 00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:30,920 awareness at all. Right, that's how we're going to take 404 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,319 politics out of it. And what happened was the people 405 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,880 who do know politics, they got involved during the community 406 00:22:38,039 --> 00:22:43,440 input portions, and he steamrolled those neophytes that had no 407 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,000 idea the game that was being run on them. 408 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:48,519 Speaker 2: That's the problem. 409 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I can see a problem. 410 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,279 Speaker 3: They're saying. 411 00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 4: It's just that if you know, but they ain't gonna 412 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,799 do it. I know because they remember several years back, 413 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,400 they had one district for somebody I forgive who it was, 414 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,920 and it was looked like a dog kind leg It 415 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:05,599 went something. 416 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was the Yeah, that 417 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:11,559 was the famous twelfth district that mel Watt. He was 418 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,680 drawn that district. They drew that for mel Watt, and 419 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,240 it ran from Charlotte to Greensboro. At certain points it 420 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,200 was literally I eighty five that was the connect. It 421 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:24,720 just connected up I eighty five all the way to 422 00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:29,319 Greensboro to draw a majority minority district for mel Watt. 423 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,160 And and the courts at that time when Republicans sued 424 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,440 because it was Roy Cooper and his Democrats who drew 425 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,519 those maps, the Republicans sued and the court said, no, no, no, 426 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,680 that's fine, you can do that in order to create 427 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,880 a majority minority district. So the problem has been that 428 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:48,319 whenever Democrats get maps that don't redown to their benefit, 429 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:53,160 they sue and they get criteria added by the Supreme Court, 430 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,720 and then when they lose control, as what occurred in 431 00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:59,519 North Carolina, and then Republicans are drawing the maps based 432 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:04,000 on the kriteria that Democrats argued for. Republicans use that 433 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,720 criteria draw new maps. Democrats sue again saying you can't 434 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:11,440 use this criteria, and then the courts, the Democrats on 435 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,200 the Supreme Court, they turned around and said, yeah, okay, 436 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,079 we agree with you again now. And so you get 437 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,079 these conflicting criteria rulings that the state Like this is 438 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,880 what Republicans were saying, like, we don't know how to 439 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,359 comply now with these court rulings because you're you're you're 440 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,920 in opposition to yourself with this guidance. 441 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 4: That's the same the same black lady Justice just kind 442 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,839 of pulls up the black Yeah. 443 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,799 Speaker 1: All right, Marc, it's going to talk with this, sir. 444 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:42,440 I appreciate the call. All right, sir, thank you. Yeah, 445 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,559 Like that's that's the issue. And so look, I used 446 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:50,640 to I used to advocate for this very concept for 447 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,559 you know, quote fair maps. But that was twenty five 448 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,440 years ago. And I have heard just like you heard 449 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,960 with caller Mike. That's my Daisley, former lawyer for the 450 00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:06,920 Meckleberg Republican or Democrat party rather and former political candidate 451 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:07,319 as well. 452 00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: And you know, Mike's. 453 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,039 Speaker 1: Position and what he was advocating there was that you 454 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,880 know that there has to you got to take it 455 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,279 out of the politician's hands. And when I asked him, okay, 456 00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:23,039 well why don't Democrats lead by example, Why don't y'all 457 00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:25,920 do this? And he said, well, that would be unilateral disarmament. 458 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,279 And that's the problem. So when you come to North 459 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,000 Carolina lawmakers and you're like, you guys, shouldn't do this. Meanwhile, 460 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:38,519 turn a blind eye to Maryland, New York, Illinois, California, right, 461 00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:40,640 all of these other states that are doing these things, 462 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,200 and you want North Carolinian Republicans to unilaterally disarmed see 463 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,039 see I see through the argument to the actual motive. 464 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,799 Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to 465 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,359 a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. 466 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,640 Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of 467 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,000 Asheville is your connect. 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All Right, One of the 487 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,680 things I love to do is to read my mail 488 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:15,440 to you. So yesterday we got some we got some 489 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:23,839 election material, and I got two very very heavy stock 490 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:30,640 glossy political mailers delivered to the house. One is like 491 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,720 an eight and a half by eleven and the other 492 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,480 is like half that size and as a little card, 493 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,079 and the first one it's got a picture of a 494 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,599 woman leaning out of her car holding up her car 495 00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:46,599 keys and it says vote on it, and it says 496 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,880 this election, the keys are in your hands. The future 497 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,039 of transportation in Mecklenburg County is on the ballot. Don't 498 00:27:56,079 --> 00:28:02,160 stay home this November. Vote yes to improve Mecklenburg County Transportation. 499 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:07,119 Scan the QR code to check your voter registration, request 500 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,480 an absentee ballot, or find your polling place. And then 501 00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:12,279 it's got you know, the website, and it has the 502 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,200 early voting which starts by the way of the day 503 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,440 after tomorrow, it's October sixteenth, it runs through November first. 504 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,400 Early voting Election day's November fourth, So okay, So like 505 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,559 I'm looking at this and it's paid for by the 506 00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:32,200 Coalition for a Better twenty to fifty and okay, so 507 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,079 this would seem the future of transportation. Woman in a 508 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,400 car holding some car keys, headline the keys are in 509 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,640 your hands. You flip the mailer over and it says, 510 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:43,960 don't fall asleep at the wheel. So I'm getting a 511 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,480 vibe here? Are you getting a vibe? Are you sensing 512 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:52,079 a theme to this mailer? Vote yes to improve Mecklenberg 513 00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:56,759 County Transportation this election. Your ballot will include a voter 514 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:02,119 referendum to approve or reject a plan for the future 515 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,880 of transportation in Mecklenburg County. Don't let anyone else decide 516 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,160 for you. This vote is your chance to choose where 517 00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:13,359 we go and how we get there. The keys are 518 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,640 in your hands. Vote yes to improve Meckliberg County Transportation 519 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,319 to learn more about how the plan will deliver better roads, 520 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,240 safer walkways, and solutions to bumper to bumper traffic. Scan 521 00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:36,440 the QR code. Did you notice anything missing from the 522 00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:41,119 sales pitch? This is for the one cent sales tax 523 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,359 referendum that we are looking at for November. Right, they 524 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,599 don't say referendum. They don't say a sales tax. Right, 525 00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:55,599 they say vote yes to improve Mecklimber County Transportation. Oh sorry, 526 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,039 they do say referendum. Your ballot will include a voter 527 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,480 referendum to approve reject a plan. No, well, well no, 528 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,839 actually it's a sales tax increase. That's what we're being 529 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,720 asked to approve, is a sales tax increase. And what 530 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,440 is that sales tax increase going to be used for? Well, 531 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:21,440 according to the mailer, better roads, safer walkways. I refer 532 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:26,759 to those as sidewalks. And solutions to bumper to bumper traffic. 533 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:30,759 Speaker 2: That's it. 534 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: Okay, that's one mailer. Think about what's missing. Second mailer, 535 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,640 this is your green light. Vote yes to get Mecklinberg 536 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,960 County moving. And then they've got a little stop light 537 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,519 there and the green is lit up and it says yes. 538 00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:48,640 Mecklinberg County has a plan to improve public transportation, including 539 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,519 more options, better roads, and solutions to bumper to bumper traffic. 540 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,319 From a new ride share service to synchronized traffic lights 541 00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:58,920 that keep us moving. This is a plan to help 542 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,480 get you where you need to go. Don't stay stuck 543 00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:03,799 in traffic, request an absentee ballot, or make a plan 544 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,119 to vote early. Did you notice anything missing from this mailer? 545 00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:16,160 Two words people, light rail. Why would they leave the 546 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,519 words light rail off of the mailer? 547 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,279 Speaker 2: It's a brain buster. 548 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: I would say, does the term light rail have some 549 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,279 sort of, I don't know, a negative connotation somehow, maybe 550 00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:29,839 based on recent current events. 551 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 2: I'm just asking questions. All right, that'll do it for 552 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,519 this episode. 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