Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. Today we've got some ogs
Speaker 3: with us people haven't been on in a while or
Speaker 3: on as often. Today we got returning with us, Teresa
Speaker 3: the Spiritual Gangster. What is going on, Teresa? How's it been?
Speaker 4: It's been good, it's been busy? What good?
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you of course, and thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3: Do you want to plug anything, mention anything?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Sure, So I've been really busy doing some handmade stuff,
Speaker 5: which is what I've done for a long time. But
Speaker 5: I have this new thing which you're kindly letting me
Speaker 5: plug on here.
Speaker 4: It's called silly pops.
Speaker 5: So if any ones into like sensory stuff like slime
Speaker 5: picky pads, I don't know if anyone's heard of that.
Speaker 5: So basically what I've made is this thing right here.
Speaker 4: Hold on.
Speaker 5: You can see it on the camera if you're watching
Speaker 5: on video. I'm holding it up so it's like a
Speaker 5: silicone puck and it's got all these like beads and
Speaker 5: charms and like different textures inside.
Speaker 4: It's very squishy there.
Speaker 5: It goes very squishy and very fun and when the
Speaker 5: fun part is when you pop everything out, it's like
Speaker 5: super satisfying, just like when you play with slime.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: So in the kit though, I include like string and
Speaker 5: like a keychain thing, so you can like actually make
Speaker 5: something with it, so not just like squishing stuff and
Speaker 5: then putting it back in the jar. You can actually
Speaker 5: do stuff like make a keychain, bracelet charm. So if
Speaker 5: you have kids who are into sensory things I know
Speaker 5: a lot of like autistic children or adhd uh, it's
Speaker 5: really good for keeping them busy like a fidget toy.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm doing that right now. I'm in a
Speaker 5: couple stores, which is great. Some markets coming up, so
Speaker 5: you're in like the Toronto area, come see me. And
Speaker 5: on Instagram it's at Silly pop Shop and it's on
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Speaker 4: So yeah, thanks for letting me do my thing.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, no, of course, of course that ship I
Speaker 3: think that shit is. It's awesome checking out everything you've
Speaker 3: been posting. It's a someome good for you, and uh,
Speaker 3: thank you for joining us today. It's been a while,
Speaker 3: you know, always look forward to Robbie, story Time with Robbie.
Speaker 4: And story marks. I can't miss that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so thank you very much, and uh Ahlenk's for
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Speaker 3: what is going on?
Speaker 1: Thank you Cardinal. Sorry, I can't figure out my micros. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. That's so cool to hear that
Speaker 1: Teresa is doing that. So thanks big, big support and
Speaker 1: shout out to that, because that's that's really amazing to
Speaker 1: like do a brand and a product. I know it's
Speaker 1: a lot of work, so it is.
Speaker 4: It's good though, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: It's really cool, it's really shit. Looks like it's like
Speaker 3: belongs in the store. It's pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: That's right, I feel is key.
Speaker 3: Oh so Jen, do you want to plug your h Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So you can find me at Wukong Reborn to the
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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for that. I was like,
Speaker 1: the first Robbie Mark series on my feed, So really
Speaker 1: cool to have done that and made that full journey.
Speaker 3: So thank you so much, Helly, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed that as well. And we got Lisa the
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Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 6: Thank you for inviting me. I am very excited to
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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you very much, appreciate that. And we
Speaker 3: got the Cosmic Peach Julia herself, what is going on?
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 7: This is my first story time too, and I couldn't
Speaker 7: ask for a better crew of people to do it with.
Speaker 7: We've got Teresa, Lisa, Robbie jin Oh my goodness. This
Speaker 7: is a dream team. Yeah, Cosmic Peach podcast, you know
Speaker 7: the drill, but excited to be here. Robbie looking forward
Speaker 7: to it.
Speaker 3: It's nice, all right, So we got Robbie Marx. What
Speaker 3: is going on? So we're going to be talking about
Speaker 3: the origins of Attis. So let everybody know too, like
Speaker 3: where they can find all your stuff in your art
Speaker 3: and everything. Please.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And for those who don't know who I am,
Speaker 2: I'm an artist. I'm doing professional art for thirty five
Speaker 2: years for various bands, festivals, mom and pop shops, logos,
Speaker 2: anything anybody really needs. And basically I just grind away
Speaker 2: at that. And while I'm doing that, I have books
Speaker 2: going in the background, and I'm constantly researching and taking notes,
Speaker 2: and I build these databases of these various notes and
Speaker 2: kind of today, Oh, before that, I was going to say,
Speaker 2: if you want to find all my stuff, you can
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Speaker 2: as far as my website, my Etsy, my Patreon, my podcast,
Speaker 2: everything you want to find is going to be there. So,
Speaker 2: but today we're going to cover the origins of Attis.
Speaker 2: This character, he's a Phrygian character and this ties back
Speaker 2: into some of the earliest origins of the mystery schools.
Speaker 3: Thank you yeah, I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 4: So correct.
Speaker 3: Where you want to like this, wherever you like to start.
Speaker 2: Now, when we go into the Egyptians, the priest Salron,
Speaker 2: they acknowledge the fact that the Phrygians were a nation
Speaker 2: that was older even than the Egyptians, right, And Josephus
Speaker 2: says that the Phrygians were founded by the biblical figure
Speaker 2: of Togaram Togarma. And this Togarma is basically in the
Speaker 2: line of Noah. He's associated with the line of Jaffat
Speaker 2: and the people of Anatolia, which in that line we
Speaker 2: also find Cagnus, who is the one that brought the
Speaker 2: writing and the characters into ancient Greece from the east, right,
Speaker 2: And it's also generally associated with the line of the
Speaker 2: Hebrew people and the foundations of Armenia. So now the Phrygians,
Speaker 2: they are possibly Thracians, settling in the northwestern Anatolia in
Speaker 2: the late second millennia BC, upon the disintegration of the
Speaker 2: Hittite kingdom. So this is a really old kind of
Speaker 2: you know, when we get into the Samerians. We've talked
Speaker 2: about the Samerians before in regard to their culture. It
Speaker 2: just emerges out of nothing, just full form, and they
Speaker 2: have you know, writers and actors and doctors and surgeons
Speaker 2: and like cookbooks, and they already have methods of accounting
Speaker 2: and bookkeeping, and so you know, they just kind of
Speaker 2: appear out of nothing as this full form. And this
Speaker 2: is after the deluge, and you kind of get into
Speaker 2: with the Samerian kings lists. You know, it's basically the
Speaker 2: pre Deluvian kings before the global flood. And they have
Speaker 2: a character very similar to Noah, which is Zasudra. And
Speaker 2: so this kind of time ties in with the Western
Speaker 2: ideas of the Bible and Judaism and this idea of
Speaker 2: the global flood, and they are a post flood kind
Speaker 2: of society right now. The Phrygians moving to the Central Highlands,
Speaker 2: founding their capital of Gordium, with an important religious center
Speaker 2: at Midas City. So this is where we get King
Speaker 2: midas Is in ancients. Yeah, exactly exactly. Herodotus of Halikarnassis
Speaker 2: tells us that the Phrygians were in fact Thracian Brigians
Speaker 2: who had once crossed the Hellespont in the histories, also
Speaker 2: telling us that the Phrygians are the parents of the
Speaker 2: Armenian people. So this ties in with our Armenians again.
Speaker 2: See now an oar Nobius considered Addis to be a
Speaker 2: Lydian word meaning young man. Right, So this Addis character,
Speaker 2: he's kind of this suppliant of the goddess Kibili and
Speaker 2: kind of is madly in love with her. And this
Speaker 2: is basically the foundations of the Phrygian mystery schools, which
Speaker 2: when you see ancient Phrygia you see the revolution like
Speaker 2: the Papa Smurf type hat. Yeah, that's the Phrygian cap.
Speaker 2: So this is where the Phrygian cap comes from, right,
Speaker 2: and that hat it dates all the way back into
Speaker 2: the Saturnian age. Who was it one of the ancient
Speaker 2: Saturnian uh? I remember it as we go. But he
Speaker 2: basically was the god of the pine tree, and Addis
Speaker 2: is the god of the pine tree, just like Osyrus
Speaker 2: was the god of the great fir. Just so you
Speaker 2: see all these different castrated like religious figures being associated
Speaker 2: with different types of trees in the different lands as
Speaker 2: this mythology spreads, right, and it's generally because the trees
Speaker 2: of the pine tree, the fir tree, these are evergreen trees.
Speaker 2: They're symbols of everlasting life. So it's the idea that
Speaker 2: even in the winter when the snow would come, the
Speaker 2: evergreen trees would still stay green and would be the
Speaker 2: only color you would see in the winter time, much
Speaker 2: like where I live here in New Hampshire. So this
Speaker 2: was basically this idea of the afterlife and the possibility
Speaker 2: of the individual soul moving into a higher form and
Speaker 2: living into eternity. Whereas you know, when you look at
Speaker 2: a lot of the ancient cultures, they believe that you
Speaker 2: would die and go to a holding place or a
Speaker 2: middle ground or some sort of a place to wait
Speaker 2: for the end of time. Whereas this is an emerging
Speaker 2: thought form that is basically bringing about this idea of
Speaker 2: higher ascended levels of being in much like you see
Speaker 2: in some Judaism, such certain sects, certain sects of Judaism don't.
Speaker 4: Believe in afterlife whereas others do.
Speaker 2: And then you have the Christians in regard to Jesus,
Speaker 2: you know, opening the way for everyone to ascend the heavens.
Speaker 2: So you see this evolving idea, you know, going back
Speaker 2: I would say upwards of at least ten to twelve
Speaker 2: thousand years. We have documented evidence of this evolving thought form. Right,
Speaker 2: Let's see now, our Nobius considered addis to be a
Speaker 2: Lydian word a young man, I said that, right, and
Speaker 2: others believe that addis to be uh derived from the
Speaker 2: Phrygian attagus, which means goat. Right, So there's this idea
Speaker 2: within yeah, within Addis of this. You know, his name
Speaker 2: directly relates to the goat, and he is raised and
Speaker 2: fed by goats, just like his grand Once you get
Speaker 2: to the Greek mythologies and relations to Addis and Agatus,
Speaker 2: Zeus himself was also fed by a goat when he
Speaker 2: was hidden away. This goat amethea that basically they end
Speaker 2: up slaughtering and the different parts become these sacred objects
Speaker 2: in Greek mythology.
Speaker 7: I have a quick question for you, actually, so this character,
Speaker 7: this is like a mystical being or does does he
Speaker 7: have like any divine or supernatural abilities or was he
Speaker 7: more like a prophet type of person?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Right, that's a good question.
Speaker 2: When you look back at Atis, he is well, he
Speaker 2: sprung forth by mother Kibili and she is an androgen.
Speaker 2: This gets into the virgin births right, as far as
Speaker 2: mother Mary being a virgin birth and just so you
Speaker 2: have this idea of parthogenesis is really what it is.
Speaker 2: And parthogenesis is the idea that within certain animal kingdoms,
Speaker 2: certain species can inseminate themselves and basically create their own children.
Speaker 2: And this happens in amphibians, this happens in snakes, this
Speaker 2: happens in There is a botanist in Sweden named Lynn
Speaker 2: Cantrell that wrote a whole book on parthogenesis and she
Speaker 2: estimates that after the Great Flood that humanity was in
Speaker 2: such a state of chaos that it's It's like when
Speaker 2: the horseshoe crab raises its tail in the ocean and
Speaker 2: the hormones that are in the water tell them how
Speaker 2: many boys and how many girls there are, and it
Speaker 2: tells them how to you know, whether to make more
Speaker 2: boys or more boys or girls to stabilize the population.
Speaker 2: That there's this idea that you know, humanity and the
Speaker 2: genetics from such stress that women begin to inciminate themselves
Speaker 2: and have the oh yeah, yeah yeah, so and this
Speaker 2: is you know, but it directly ties into the idea
Speaker 2: of these virgin bursts of these and if you figure
Speaker 2: and you take the woman's genetics and she has everything
Speaker 2: to reproduce the male just basically provides some variability in
Speaker 2: the equation as far as so you don't get, you know,
Speaker 2: too much repetition and mutation. But if you take the
Speaker 2: pure genetics of the same programming and combine them together,
Speaker 2: the idea, at least within my mind, is that you're
Speaker 2: creating these vessels that are of a different frequency, that
Speaker 2: are more open to higher energies kind of subsiding within them.
Speaker 2: So you know, basically this Attus character being an offspring
Speaker 2: of the Andrew John Mother Kibili is a mortal man
Speaker 2: and he's not immortal, but at the same time, he's
Speaker 2: the offspring of the gods and he's like higher sended form,
Speaker 2: so he but he's the suppultant and he loves Mother Kibili,
Speaker 2: so basically he devotes his life to her as a
Speaker 2: as a he becomes a priest basically, or a priestess
Speaker 2: of a Mother Kibli.
Speaker 4: At one point, do.
Speaker 7: You find it interesting that like it's it's kind of
Speaker 7: like you were saying with the evolution of people thinking
Speaker 7: about the afterlife, and how you mentioned like most of
Speaker 7: them believed that you had to go to this purgatory
Speaker 7: resting place and then it was like out of nowhere.
Speaker 7: Everybody there was like a surge of higher thinking, like
Speaker 7: maybe we don't go to some weird locker room in
Speaker 7: the middle of the earth.
Speaker 4: Maybe we do go to like heaven or something like that.
Speaker 7: Do you feel like it wasn't just like Addis, but
Speaker 7: like many characters around the same time kind of like
Speaker 7: ascended us into that thinking for sure.
Speaker 2: But Addis is the oldest documented.
Speaker 4: Form that we have, Okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 2: Right, Whereas most of these characters that we look at
Speaker 2: within the ancient times, from Osyrus to Nimrod to Tammuz
Speaker 2: to Adonis, these are all characters that are in the
Speaker 2: that three thousand to thousand BC area, whereas Mother Kibili
Speaker 2: and Addis go back about ten thousand BC.
Speaker 4: Okay, so this is like one of the og right, Okay.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you can trace Mother Kibli
Speaker 2: or ky Bell or Sybil. You can trace her all
Speaker 2: the way back to Ishtar Anana, and Anana is probably
Speaker 2: the early whereas Addis is probably the earliest form of
Speaker 2: this male like transcendent figure. But Kibbly you can trace
Speaker 2: all the way back to Anana, which you know, and
Speaker 2: Mother Kibli her grand secret I'll just spill it in
Speaker 2: the beginning, is that she is an Andrew John. She
Speaker 2: is the great hermaphrodite, right, And if you trace that
Speaker 2: back to Anana, and Nana was very much a transgender
Speaker 2: figure too. It's spoken of that in the from the
Speaker 2: Library of Asha Barnapaul, where we get the epic of Gilgamesh. Right,
Speaker 2: they basically speak of Anana going into the ale room
Speaker 2: or the pub or the bar, and basically she is
Speaker 2: a woman on one side and when she's talking to
Speaker 2: a man, and she's a man on the other side
Speaker 2: when she's talking to a woman. And in the ancient
Speaker 2: festivals of Anana, they would actually dress in garb that
Speaker 2: and we see this but like in the MTV Music
Speaker 2: Wards with Madonna and Britney Spears where she dresses half
Speaker 2: and half in half man and half woman's clothing. This
Speaker 2: goes all the way back to ancient Nana and the
Speaker 2: earliest records of this hermaphroditism.
Speaker 7: So do you think that's why like the transgenderism or
Speaker 7: like gender fluid anything is like kind of sacred, like
Speaker 7: not even like with the Baphomet, like the breasted goat
Speaker 7: or whatever. And we kind of see like society in
Speaker 7: general is kind of leaning towards that a little bit,
Speaker 7: you know, recently, but so it's part of like the
Speaker 7: mystery school thing. It's like, oh yeah, that's like the
Speaker 7: upper echelon. Like if you can get yourself to the
Speaker 7: point where you're not masculine or feminine, you're just like
Speaker 7: a being that floats somewhere in the middle. Like that's
Speaker 7: the highest you can get, right, right, right.
Speaker 2: And that goes back to before you know, there's ancient
Speaker 2: tales of the hermaphrodite that was basically when the sexes
Speaker 2: were split by Zeus in Greek mythology. You go back
Speaker 2: into the old some of the old Hindu texts, and
Speaker 2: they have tales of groups of andregh On beings that
Speaker 2: basically kind of faded away because they weren't able to
Speaker 2: produce very well you see this, but none and even
Speaker 2: what was it. I believe Indra was kind of a
Speaker 2: center type energy that was neither male nor female. So
Speaker 2: you kind of and it's just in regard to the creation.
Speaker 2: You know, what it comes down to is the uh,
Speaker 2: the creation of life without the sexual act.
Speaker 6: You know, I was just gonna ask that, do you
Speaker 6: think that Ciba I would cybe El Chimel whatever. I
Speaker 6: always I always viewed her as not so much as hermaphrodite,
Speaker 6: but that it was a representation of parthagenesis, yes, and
Speaker 6: that it was the alchemical wedding that all the alchemists
Speaker 6: achieve to master. So it wasn't so something I feel
Speaker 6: like it was taken an adulterated or bastardized, but it
Speaker 6: was not an art form. You can only say so much.
Speaker 6: You can only draw so much, right and and you know,
Speaker 6: fly wings indicate flight. You can't draw something in the air,
Speaker 6: you know, because you're only you know, two dimensional with art.
Speaker 6: But and I felt like Cybelle or Kybell whatever was
Speaker 6: was a representation of trying to indicate a virgin birth partagenesis.
Speaker 6: And what you said, with prot genesis, you get such
Speaker 6: little variability. It's almost like a clone of the mother,
Speaker 6: because it's all of the genetics of the mother's right.
Speaker 6: Even if you mix up the genetics and you get,
Speaker 6: you know, whatever type of combination, you're still dealing with
Speaker 6: all of the mother. And when you don't have that
Speaker 6: secondary input of variability, it leads to genetic bottlenecking. And
Speaker 6: so what we see is hybrid vigor and biodiversity sustains
Speaker 6: any population. But you're absolutely right in that there was
Speaker 6: a time where parthagenesis had to exist because there was
Speaker 6: no other way but to be back off of that.
Speaker 6: And I don't mean to labor this, but you're with Adams.
Speaker 6: He was her son, wasn't he.
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: So is this somewhat of a reversal storyline? I don't know,
Speaker 6: if you're familiar with the story of Adam and Eve
Speaker 6: at the end of the book, how Eve was Adam's
Speaker 6: daughter and it was through copulation with his daughter that
Speaker 6: he created the rest of humanity after the flood. It
Speaker 6: almost seems like it's a reversal of the story, almost.
Speaker 2: And in regard to nepot like having sex within your
Speaker 2: own family, I think that maybe those stories were generally shifted.
Speaker 2: Where within that chemical you know, you have Adam and
Speaker 2: Eve growing apart from each other like cartilage from a
Speaker 2: single being in a form of like cellular reproduction, right,
Speaker 2: whereas in the biblical scape you have them taking a
Speaker 2: piece of man's rib and creating her through sort of cloning,
Speaker 2: you know. But nonetheless, yes, very much you have this
Speaker 2: and you see this often as well with the mother goddesses,
Speaker 2: like isis marrying Horace, who is the offspring of Osiris.
Speaker 2: That so she's marrying her son. You have this constant,
Speaker 2: incestuous kind of thing going on for the production of
Speaker 2: these quote unquote you know, divine lines once they're incarnated
Speaker 2: into the physical realm, and it's you know almost like
Speaker 2: the necessary function of bringing forth civilization, you know, in
Speaker 2: order to produce as much as possible.
Speaker 4: Well it sounds more thing. Oh sorry, don't finish, finish.
Speaker 6: No, just one more point and I'm done it almost
Speaker 6: if you think about it and you remove the whole
Speaker 6: you know, uh, pedophilia, and just remove that, you know,
Speaker 6: just put it on the shelf for now. For the
Speaker 6: sake of explanation, if you think about Parth of Genesis
Speaker 6: and you think about a virgin birth, it is a
Speaker 6: clone of the mother, just in version of a male.
Speaker 6: So you're taking female DNA of the mother and transforming
Speaker 6: it into male. So she is pretty much having sex
Speaker 6: with herself, yes, as a male, right, And so it's
Speaker 6: no longer And I'm not by no means like condoning
Speaker 6: all that other stuff. I'm just saying, if you think
Speaker 6: about it biologically, she's having intercourse with herself in a
Speaker 6: male version yep, and therefore to propagate the species.
Speaker 4: Yes if that helps or no, No, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2: And that's why this stuff is so interesting to look
Speaker 2: at because it challenges the foundational ideas of creation. It
Speaker 2: helps us try to understand further how we were created,
Speaker 2: why we're here, which is the ultimate questions, who are
Speaker 2: we and why we're here?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: So these are like foundational ideas that you know, are
Speaker 2: the bread basket of humanity as far as our own histories.
Speaker 2: They give us a great understanding of ourselves.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Well, I was gonna say, it just sounds like the
Speaker 5: practices that you know, these elite families continue.
Speaker 4: Today hundred So it's like, you know, this is what
Speaker 4: the gods were doing.
Speaker 5: They consider ourselves of these elite bloodlines, they continue the
Speaker 5: same practices. Is very interesting and also sorry what Julia
Speaker 5: was touching on before, it sounds like the ancient way
Speaker 5: of like honoring the hermaphrodae is very like asexual, right,
Speaker 5: Like it's not really like a huge it's notized. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's not emphasized, whereas like you know, the modern day
Speaker 5: let's say, pride movements, you know, alphabet people's whatever. It's
Speaker 5: like taking on this like inversion of it or like
Speaker 5: a bastardization of it, you know, mockery of it, like
Speaker 5: a mockery of it.
Speaker 4: You know. I don't know, I just find that interesting, yea.
Speaker 2: But we find we find with Addis, you know, And
Speaker 2: I got a couple of stories here, but you know,
Speaker 2: in one story, he climbs to the mount of top
Speaker 2: to the top amunt agdatus, and he's basically in shame
Speaker 2: and he, you know, castrates himself. In another, he's getting
Speaker 2: married to this lyddying queen and mother Kibli shows up
Speaker 2: and he goes insane and castrates himself. And this all
Speaker 2: comes down to the idea of Addis's supplication to Kibili,
Speaker 2: but not in a sexual manner.
Speaker 4: It cuts off the sect.
Speaker 2: It's it's higher than you know, tontra or higher than
Speaker 2: in the way it is a certain sort of tontra
Speaker 2: in completely limiting the sex and to zero, you know,
Speaker 2: and all bodily lusts and pleasures in association with you
Speaker 2: know what that part of the nervous system brings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've said it multiple times on the show. I'm
Speaker 3: sure to research and Lisa I've heard it, probably you Juliet,
Speaker 3: maybe not so much because she's just you know know where.
Speaker 3: She hasn't heard me bring this up multiple times, but
Speaker 3: you've said it before. I think even looking at the
Speaker 3: Tree of Life, if you want to ascend the tree
Speaker 3: and have a magical experience, I do think you are
Speaker 3: like the two energies working together, but like you said,
Speaker 3: not in an actual sexual way at all. I think
Speaker 3: it is basically in a way of like unfucking yourself.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, and it's pretty much taking your DNA and
Speaker 3: twisting it to it looks like a ladder and then
Speaker 3: you find that yes, yeah, and the two energies work together,
Speaker 3: and that's why they do start to split, which is
Speaker 3: why I think you always see the hermaphrodite one side
Speaker 3: and one side once inside the tree.
Speaker 4: Really interesting to me, which.
Speaker 3: Which is why the in spirit I don't think. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't think angels can fuck, right, I mean, do
Speaker 3: they have Dixon the Chinese?
Speaker 4: Well, there is Susan.
Speaker 7: It was like some of them are being masculine, being
Speaker 7: masculine and Roger right, because it's like Michael and Uriel
Speaker 7: and like they have Gabriel Raphael. Those are like masculine names.
Speaker 7: But I mean, do angels really I mean, if you
Speaker 7: go with the Nephelene story, the fallen angels, they were
Speaker 7: very interested in getting freak nasty, you know.
Speaker 4: But in a sense to me, I've always thought that like.
Speaker 7: Mysticism was to transcend out of your physical body as
Speaker 7: far as like wanting sex and wanting like it, because
Speaker 7: when you have sex, the act itself traps you in
Speaker 7: this physical body and you're very identifying with it.
Speaker 2: That grounds you and pulls you down. And yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a story of the Golden flower right that this I
Speaker 2: think it was Gilgamesh. He died, he dove down, or
Speaker 2: the golden flower directly relates to Gilgamesh. But Gilgamesh dove
Speaker 2: down to retrieve this golden flower of immortality and he
Speaker 2: was going to eat it, but before he came back up,
Speaker 2: before he could eat it, a serpent came and ate it.
Speaker 2: And it's basically the idea that he exerted all of
Speaker 2: his force through sexual energy and lost the rising tide
Speaker 2: that led to immortality because of the serpent, because of
Speaker 2: the sexuality, you know. So yeah, this is definitely I.
Speaker 5: Wonder if the fallen angel situations might have been more
Speaker 5: of an energetic sexuality, not like a little wondering.
Speaker 3: I think it's uh. I think that's when you actually
Speaker 3: start using the physical to create. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 3: get real deep. I think that's when the eyeb I
Speaker 3: think it's just it's just also a description of when
Speaker 3: the eyeballs take a take on and you actually fall
Speaker 3: in love and we eate with this outside world instead
Speaker 3: of inside.
Speaker 2: Right now, in the Bible, speaking to what you were
Speaker 2: just talking about, as far as energy, now, the Bible
Speaker 2: specifically says that they came into them, so you can.
Speaker 4: I was just yeah, but but it like hot nuts.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, but it's c a m e right.
Speaker 5: Energetic thing.
Speaker 4: But it could be their energies came into them, so.
Speaker 8: Join right, like like possession, Oh my, more quicksilver, like
Speaker 8: they're filling the vessel with energy quicksilver, and like we're
Speaker 8: trying to talking about in the chot it's it's more energetic,
Speaker 8: you have to it's not.
Speaker 3: It's not literal.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of conspiracy people make. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: any of us. None of us were all like you.
Speaker 4: I used to think it was more literal, but now
Speaker 4: I definitely did. I thought they were just blowing loads
Speaker 4: all over the I'm all pregnant one of the the king,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 6: So yeah, but I think also, isn't it like during
Speaker 6: conception when you have that explosion between the super matazoa
Speaker 6: and the ovum, you have the opportunity to capture energy
Speaker 6: and transform it and fix it into matter. And so
Speaker 6: when I heard that, you know, you have these angels
Speaker 6: that are coming in. Instead of the matrix, the matris
Speaker 6: of the woman capturing energy and bringing it into her
Speaker 6: and capturing it into matter, the angels came in and
Speaker 6: basically was like, no, I'm putting my energy instead of
Speaker 6: hers calling yes right like they played that interception game
Speaker 6: and you know, foul on the play and then was like, nah,
Speaker 6: I'm putting my energy in that. And and the same
Speaker 6: concept happens with cloning and that you get an immortalized cell,
Speaker 6: say it's mine, and you want to make a clone
Speaker 6: of Nick. So you take you basically keep the outer
Speaker 6: portion of the cell and you take out my DNA
Speaker 6: and you insert his and so you're basically housing next
Speaker 6: DNA inside my cellular membrane, and then my cellular membrane
Speaker 6: is activating mixt DNA to now start to replicate. All
Speaker 6: you need is a housing unit, which is the outside
Speaker 6: of the cell and the whole transfer the DNA, like the.
Speaker 5: Holy Spirit supposedly like did to marry. Oh we don't
Speaker 5: think that story as sexual.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 5: Why would we think the Fallen Angels was sexual? It
Speaker 5: could just be the same situation.
Speaker 4: Dude, cloning is not here. But this is a barn burner.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he was supposed to do.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more. You can see the dialectical errors.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be honest. There you can see the
Speaker 1: errors that Mormonism kind of makes with this. They kind
Speaker 1: of always bring it back down to nutsuc and that's
Speaker 1: like their prime focus. But and like Lisa is saying,
Speaker 1: it's super important, but there has to be something with ho.
Speaker 1: There has to be something with your soad. It has
Speaker 1: to happen in synthesis. It's not in polarity, right, It's
Speaker 1: like in synths. That's what this is all about. And
Speaker 1: to go off Lisa's point, Teresa, yeld know this. But
Speaker 1: Ganesh or Ganapati as we call him in Buddhism, he
Speaker 1: is the son that is only begotten by the mother. Now,
Speaker 1: when she creates him. She does use the story as
Speaker 1: the story goes, she does use some of the seeds
Speaker 1: or the quicksilver from Shiva, but he didn't know that
Speaker 1: he took it from her, so it's like in ignorance,
Speaker 1: So it's not really it's not really his son. It's
Speaker 1: big only begotten by the mother. So that's a really
Speaker 1: interesting parallel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and what was it, uh a nana.
Speaker 2: I'll get into it here in a little bit, but yeah,
Speaker 2: after Addis had castrated himself, the blood that fell on
Speaker 2: the ground, right, it produced a tree that grew in
Speaker 2: real time and put forth fruit instantly, right, And the
Speaker 2: goddess basically saw this beautiful tree full of fruit and
Speaker 2: picked up it's in some tales it's a pomegranate, and
Speaker 2: other tales it's an almond, and basically was holding them,
Speaker 2: gathering them and holding them in their bosom, and one
Speaker 2: of them went into her and basically created you know, Partha.
Speaker 4: Genesis.
Speaker 2: So you see this over and over again, and in
Speaker 2: some of the Eastern tales, yep, one more thing, and
Speaker 2: some of the Eastern tales you get this story of
Speaker 2: a beam of sunlight coming and in and they would
Speaker 2: baseasically keep the children off the floor until they hit puberty.
Speaker 2: So they were in between heaven and earth, and if
Speaker 2: they touched the earth, they were polluted, right, but a
Speaker 2: beam of sunlight would come in and basically inciminate her
Speaker 2: without the act of sex.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Lisa, when you say castration, are you just
Speaker 6: I don't mean to be graphic, but I genuinely want
Speaker 6: to know. Are you just removing the testicles or you
Speaker 6: removing the testicles and urethra.
Speaker 4: I'm assuming you're moving the whole.
Speaker 2: If you look at the templars, yeah, yeah. If you
Speaker 2: look at the highest levels of the templars that castrated
Speaker 2: themselves that are in France, their their pattern of castration
Speaker 2: is basically two circles on the bottom and one circle.
Speaker 2: So when you see these three circles, yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure, for sure.
Speaker 7: You know you guys are killing it today. Man, I'm
Speaker 7: already sitting over You're.
Speaker 4: Like, what the front? The story it was all about?
Speaker 4: This is the though, and it's.
Speaker 2: All around us. It's in everything that that has pervaded
Speaker 2: into modern times. So you know, recognizing these ancient symbols
Speaker 2: gives you a broader understanding of the world.
Speaker 7: You're living in Well, I just wanted to say quick
Speaker 7: since Lisa brought it up. You know, like the Heaven's
Speaker 7: Gate cult was really into this kind of ambiguous uh
Speaker 7: gendering shavir head wear matching clothing, and then it got
Speaker 7: to the point where it was like castration. So I
Speaker 7: don't know, it's like it's it's very significant in cults
Speaker 7: and you know, so I'm I'm blown away, you.
Speaker 4: Guys, this this is crazy.
Speaker 2: So now, the oldest reference to the mysterious character of
Speaker 2: Addis appears on a monument King Midas, and he calls
Speaker 2: him eight ATPs and Herodotus calls him atus at us
Speaker 2: as well as attus at us. Oh, that's the same
Speaker 2: in a xanthesis of Lydia. Where As the first time
Speaker 2: we see, oh yeah, this is the first in Lydia
Speaker 2: is the first time that we see the double T
Speaker 2: put in is a T T I S. And that's
Speaker 2: from these Athenian cosmic poets from around three point fifty BC,
Speaker 2: which became the most popular spelling of it thereafter. Let's see,
Speaker 2: uh according to let me hold on like that one.
Speaker 2: Let's see So now ovid, are you guys familiar with
Speaker 2: with Ovid at all a little bit. He basically has
Speaker 2: this book called Metamorphosis. And in Metamorphosis he goes through
Speaker 2: all of these different characters in the different mysterious religious
Speaker 2: cults that transform from one thing into another. Right, so
Speaker 2: Ovid conveys that young Addis had fallen in love with
Speaker 2: the beautiful Kibili, who made him a promise that he
Speaker 2: would remain a boy forever. But soon Addis broke his promise,
Speaker 2: falling in love with the river nymph Stagarithis. And this
Speaker 2: is a Phrygian river basically that was said to be
Speaker 2: occupied by this river god, and the offspring of that
Speaker 2: river god.
Speaker 1: Was this nymph.
Speaker 2: And Kibili took revenge in killing the nymph, causing Addis
Speaker 2: to lose his mind. With Addis fearing the furies that
Speaker 2: were in pursuit of him. To escape the perceived terrors,
Speaker 2: Addis climbed to the top of Mountain Dindiemon, where he
Speaker 2: castrated himself. So let's see, and but the OVID doesn't
Speaker 2: so much tell us how Adams was born.
Speaker 4: Right let's see uh.
Speaker 2: In the okay, So in a passion of love Jupiter,
Speaker 2: who is Zeus in Roman times, he basically approaches this
Speaker 2: mount Agnathus. So the goddess is this is the mountain itself.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And when you go back into these ancient mystery schools,
Speaker 2: they always worshiped on the high places. They would circumambulate
Speaker 2: the mountains to the left hand side, basically in alignment
Speaker 2: with the pole star and this belief. They believe this
Speaker 2: was the connection out of the dome or out of
Speaker 2: the glass onion into the higher realms.
Speaker 9: Right, so.
Speaker 6: Let's see the isn't the polestar associated with that? Then
Speaker 6: you know what we've now come to the swastika because
Speaker 6: a polestar was inside of it, orbited by the dippers.
Speaker 2: Right, and those dippers you go through the different cultures,
Speaker 2: you know, and the Egyptians they saw them as ox
Speaker 2: legs or nose nana in that story they saw them
Speaker 2: as ox legs.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was Egyptian too.
Speaker 2: But then you have the mother bear as far as
Speaker 2: and you have this to the Druids, it was the
Speaker 2: scythe as far as you know, which has to do
Speaker 2: life and death and moving between you know, realms.
Speaker 4: Let's see.
Speaker 7: So can I ask a quick question about the story
Speaker 7: you just read? Yeah, sometimes when I hear these stories
Speaker 7: it's like reading the Bible and I need like a
Speaker 7: little bit more translation.
Speaker 4: Just pretend I'm a rechard. It's not hard to do.
Speaker 7: So he you saying he fell in love with somebody,
Speaker 7: but then he could like he didn't want to be
Speaker 7: with them, and then he castrated himself or like what
Speaker 7: happened with that?
Speaker 2: Right, if you get into the deeper into the Lydian
Speaker 2: stories that were late to where Ovid got his information from,
Speaker 2: they talk about the fact that Kibili and Addis had
Speaker 2: fallen in love with one another even though they couldn't
Speaker 2: make love with one another, and that what ended up
Speaker 2: happening was Addis because he was such a beautiful youth.
Speaker 2: He was like everyone that saw him fell in love
Speaker 2: with him. He like Adnnas. This is where we get
Speaker 2: the story of Adonnas, because he was so beautiful, everyone
Speaker 2: loved him.
Speaker 4: Right, So one of the kings basically had had commissioned.
Speaker 2: Adonnas to marry his daughter, and then it was Kibli
Speaker 2: that came to the marriage, and when he saw her
Speaker 2: at the marriage, he went into a rage and basically
Speaker 2: broke down, leading to his self castration in dedication to
Speaker 2: the goddess Mother his own mother kibbam you okay, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So let's see, uh now in passion, did I turn
Speaker 2: it back's okay? So in a passion of love, Jupiter
Speaker 2: approaches Mount Agdutus, which is the mountain which appears in
Speaker 2: the likes of and hearly relating it to Mother Riha,
Speaker 2: which all because all these goddesses eye in together, isis
Speaker 2: Mother Ria Kibli. You know, there's numerous inscriptions that talk
Speaker 2: about the fact that they call her what do they
Speaker 2: call her? Moronymous is what they call her, where she
Speaker 2: is the mother of many names, and she basically in
Speaker 2: each culture she goes into, she takes on a different
Speaker 2: personification of this divine mother that transmits a andreghne you
Speaker 2: know birth that of a sort of a prophet figure
Speaker 2: that leads the way to show you that like the
Speaker 2: exit method out of this realm.
Speaker 3: Right, what is that? What is that animal? Sorry to interrupt,
Speaker 3: what is that animal behind this woman?
Speaker 2: It looks like a black ox.
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking too. And it's like, you
Speaker 3: know again we're talking about like all the birth and
Speaker 3: everything and the twisting of the crossing of the stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, you got to know in an X I mean.
Speaker 2: Would be the yeah in the exit six in English.
Speaker 3: And also you need oxygen to live in this realm.
Speaker 9: Yeah, ye interesting x x ol guys, and I guess
Speaker 9: in the English language the only places you see six
Speaker 9: six or six sixty six is an ox and fox,
Speaker 9: So that's interesting.
Speaker 1: It is very solar. Yeah, it makes sense for trifferonic, right,
Speaker 1: like very trifon lucipheric, almost element right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, for sure. So now let's see. But
Speaker 4: mount Agdatus basically.
Speaker 2: The mother goddess as the mountain she does not wish
Speaker 2: to give into the advances of Jupiter. Right in the
Speaker 2: ensuing struggle, Jupiter shed some drops of his semen where
Speaker 2: they are spilled over the mountain, which can see from
Speaker 2: his divine insemination. The result is a terrible and wild
Speaker 2: androgynous creature that is born that they call Agdatus, so
Speaker 2: Agnatus as the deeper I got into this the more
Speaker 2: I realized that this Agnutus is Mother Kibili, and then
Speaker 2: I began to found links where they were actually and
Speaker 2: when you get into the Eastern more eastern like Iranian
Speaker 2: texts they call they directly match Agnitus with Mother Kibli. Right,
Speaker 2: So oh, now, the gods saw this androgyny as a menace,
Speaker 2: a thing from the past, from before the splitting of
Speaker 2: the sexes that we talked about, right, and they feared
Speaker 2: that it was this one person with the quality of
Speaker 2: two sexes that would be enabled to multiply without a partner.
Speaker 2: Also relating to the parthogenesis of the virgin bursts which
Speaker 2: we talked about, this constituting a threat to both the
Speaker 2: gods and to man. But the gods said they would
Speaker 2: not outright go and put an end to Agnetus.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So, basically, as the gods look down, they see this
Speaker 2: place where Agnatus enjoys the cool shade and the springs
Speaker 2: of the fresh water, where he quenches he she quenches
Speaker 2: his thirst. And the gods then invoked the participation of
Speaker 2: Dionysus at this point, right, And Dionysus is sent to
Speaker 2: mix wine with the spring water, and Dionysus basically accepts
Speaker 2: this tasks. And this is Dionysus basically said to accept
Speaker 2: this task so that he can gain immortality.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So Dionysus puts the wine into the spring water where
Speaker 2: Agnatus drinks, and then Agnatus, you know, drinking healthily from
Speaker 2: the water basically falls asleep, passes out from drinking the wine.
Speaker 2: And then at this time, Dionysus feels up to Agdatus
Speaker 2: while she's sleeping and basically takes a stout chord is
Speaker 2: what they say, and affixes it to the genitals of Agdatus.
Speaker 2: And then when Agnatus wakes up quote unquote, it prives
Speaker 2: of that which.
Speaker 4: Made him a man.
Speaker 2: So then according to our Nobius, a tree shoots up
Speaker 2: from the spilled blood in real time and bears fruit.
Speaker 2: This just as this, just as in the story of
Speaker 2: a Nana that happens or Nana walking past that we
Speaker 2: talked about before, right, And you.
Speaker 3: Know, Robbie, just really quick, I mentioned it in the
Speaker 3: chapters four. Since you brought it up again, I could
Speaker 3: be like a little off, but the story with the
Speaker 3: tree and the blood and the you know, the tree
Speaker 3: sprouting from it sounds very much like parts of that
Speaker 3: movie The Fountain, The Fountain, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And you see this within mysticism because you know what
Speaker 2: was it Athena when she created the fresh water spring
Speaker 2: before Athens was formed, and she also caused an almond
Speaker 2: tree to grow in real time and bear fruit before
Speaker 2: everyone that's why they elected her and named the island Athena.
Speaker 2: You see these mystical trees, trees growing in real time
Speaker 2: in different places, and even now if you go to India,
Speaker 2: you know, and you read Madam Bolovotsky or you read
Speaker 2: you know, some of the mystics that have gone over
Speaker 2: and into India, they talk about the Yogi's basically growing
Speaker 2: trees in real.
Speaker 4: Time that bear fruit.
Speaker 2: So this is something within mysticism that dates, you know,
Speaker 2: as far back as we can go into the the systems.
Speaker 3: M interesting story. When you were telling that, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: what does this sound like? The fountain? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't remember if it was her blood and his blood,
Speaker 3: but I think blood was dropped and a tree grew
Speaker 3: and there was blood coming out of the tree and
Speaker 3: he was eating it out on some.
Speaker 2: Of the shit right in the park, you know, and
Speaker 2: the houses. The director going to interpret symbols and inflect
Speaker 2: them in his you know, rendering it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I think that is deep as hell, very very gastic.
Speaker 3: I think one of the lines in at that mean
Speaker 3: the last time my story, I think he says, uh
Speaker 3: in death there is awe like other fucking nailed it right, there.
Speaker 2: So now at this time, because she's pregnant. Basically, the
Speaker 2: the goddess kally she comes to send Garios basically this
Speaker 2: this river, the father of the river nymph. And but
Speaker 2: Sangarius doesn't understand the significant of the divine intervention as
Speaker 2: far as the parthogenesis, you know. And this we have
Speaker 2: in the story of enoch Uh not Enoch malchiesa Dek
Speaker 2: where you know, malches Uh Malchesk's father, his you know,
Speaker 2: doesn't understand how his wife is pregnant. We have this
Speaker 2: with Joseph and Mary. We have this, you know, in
Speaker 2: various porthogenic births where the husband's like, you know, well,
Speaker 2: in Jesus and Mary, he did understand, you know. But
Speaker 2: but in this story, the husband doesn't understand, and they
Speaker 2: basically leave this divine child when it's birthed in a
Speaker 2: field as a foundling, just for the nature to take it.
Speaker 2: And again a goat comes and basically, you know, feed
Speaker 2: this this young child, just like Zeus was fed by Anthea,
Speaker 2: and then later on the shepherds find at Us and
Speaker 2: basically raise him up as a shepherd of the field.
Speaker 2: So this is one of our first shepherd like figures
Speaker 2: and we see him carrying the goats over his shoulders
Speaker 2: like Jesus carries the lambs. Oh yeah, and it ties
Speaker 2: in with the various like Tamus when and Tamus carried
Speaker 2: the goats like that as well. But he was the
Speaker 2: progenitor of the fields. He can make grass grow at
Speaker 2: a word, you know, makes springs come at a word,
Speaker 2: you know, various divine intonations. But it's when Adas grows
Speaker 2: up unbeknownst to Mother Kimberly. That basically, when he comes
Speaker 2: of age and he's like this beautiful child like Adonis,
Speaker 2: that this is when Kibberly falls in love with him.
Speaker 2: And basically, you know, and this, you know, this whole
Speaker 2: idea of the mother falling in love with the son,
Speaker 2: the son castrating himself, devoting himself to the mother.
Speaker 4: This all relates into.
Speaker 2: Whom because when we get into Mother Kibberly, and I
Speaker 2: didn't want to talk about her so much, but she
Speaker 2: was generally worshiped on this mountain as a black stone, right,
Speaker 2: So the blackstone, this was a meteorite that was said
Speaker 2: to come and the goddess incarnating herself into our physical world.
Speaker 2: You got some.
Speaker 9: Yea.
Speaker 2: But basically we see these meteorite stones being worshiped in
Speaker 2: several places, like in the corner of the Kaba in Mecca.
Speaker 4: But nonetheless, this.
Speaker 2: Black stone, it gets commissioned to be taken to Rome
Speaker 2: because Virgil in his book the Eniad, basically Eneus goes
Speaker 2: back to Phrygia and ties the foundations of Rome to
Speaker 2: ancient Phrygia. Where atis, Yeah, that's what the Enia Eniad,
Speaker 2: the epic story that basically details the foundation of Rome,
Speaker 2: is all about. Is this character of Enius going to
Speaker 2: ancient Phrygia and basically going to worship the goddess Mother
Speaker 2: and tying the foundations of Rome to ancient Phrygia, which we're.
Speaker 4: Talking about, right.
Speaker 2: So they end up commissioning and bringing that blackstone from
Speaker 2: Phrygia and bringing it to the Palatine Hill in Rome,
Speaker 2: and she becomes the other of all of gods over
Speaker 2: all of the Roman religion. So they bring this Phrygian
Speaker 2: goddess that offshoot Addus and she becomes the supreme goddess
Speaker 2: of ancient Rome. So just in context of this whole storyline, right.
Speaker 3: I just wanted Robbie, now I just wanted to uh
Speaker 3: interrupt before about you know you're talking about this whole
Speaker 3: thing was like you know, cutting yourself, castration, Eunichs and
Speaker 3: all this stuff. I have joked well and that joked around.
Speaker 3: I tried to make like actually a serious points with this,
Speaker 3: and you're going back to the eye. So I understand
Speaker 3: that's sometimes a little bit too too deep, but a
Speaker 3: little bit too much, but I have a reference before.
Speaker 3: I do think the optic nerve and back of or
Speaker 3: I looks like a dick hanging. I mean when I've
Speaker 3: pulled up the picture if I could, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: go through the computer.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I've showed it on podcasts and people are like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that does look like a dick and bulls. It does
Speaker 3: look like that, and it's in the back of your eye.
Speaker 3: And once you start falling down from that pointing into
Speaker 3: the front of your eye, that's like when you start
Speaker 3: like basically coming into birth with this world. Now at
Speaker 3: that point you're still just having a relationship kind of
Speaker 3: with the pineal gland and back here. You haven't hit
Speaker 3: the lens yet, nothing's gotten twisted and manipulated. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I often wonder is like the loss of that is
Speaker 3: just showing you the progression of light coming into the
Speaker 3: front of your eye, basically into this world. Right, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a little much, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is interesting when you look back at
Speaker 2: the ideas that you know, at a certain point, we
Speaker 2: couldn't see blue, at a certain point, we couldn't see pink.
Speaker 3: You're even changing fluids and everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Well, and there's a woman in Florida that
Speaker 4: they found.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I brought this up before, but
Speaker 2: she has extended rods and cones that they found, and
Speaker 2: she can see something like an extra sixty something colors
Speaker 2: that we can't see.
Speaker 3: So, you know, if you look at a certain Egyptian headdress,
Speaker 3: they look just like I can't remember if it's the
Speaker 3: cones of the rods, but they look just like what.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I mean, you know when you get
Speaker 2: into the sigul of lucifer in regard to how the
Speaker 2: eyeballs work, and right, right, that's exactly. But that's the
Speaker 2: whole thing. You know, it's like the evolving are we
Speaker 2: a continuously evolving form? You know, you go back into
Speaker 2: the ancient mysteries and they talk about how we just
Speaker 2: came into birth full form, like from the divine realm.
Speaker 2: You know, and then it took however long in manifest
Speaker 2: creation before we fell into matter, you know, or if
Speaker 2: you want to get into like the Darwinian Huxley kind
Speaker 2: of idea of you know what, why they had to
Speaker 2: fake the pilt down man and why they still have
Speaker 2: the quote unquote missing link, like they can't determine or
Speaker 2: establish a true, definitive point of separation from primates to humans.
Speaker 2: But geneticists also say there are some points in there
Speaker 2: where it looks like genes have been fused. So it's
Speaker 2: just interesting to think about in regard to the creation mechanisms.
Speaker 7: You know, I just I wanted to add to something
Speaker 7: really and it's at least actually and then you you
Speaker 7: made me think of it again. But there was a
Speaker 7: small documentary that I watched on the craziness of conception
Speaker 7: and like how impossible it really is to even contemplate it.
Speaker 9: But they.
Speaker 7: I guess somehow, maybe not inside a woman, but they
Speaker 7: took a video of.
Speaker 4: When the sperm actually fuses with the egg.
Speaker 7: There's like it's like the big bang shit, light light
Speaker 7: comes off of the thing, and it's kind of like
Speaker 7: what you were saying, is like, do we come from
Speaker 7: like a divine like astral plane and it just like
Speaker 7: explodes within and you know, it's.
Speaker 4: Like where do people actually come from?
Speaker 7: And infants actually can only see in black and white
Speaker 7: for a while and then they develop colors over time.
Speaker 7: So it's like what like an infant or even like
Speaker 7: a fetus inside the womb is like where do we really?
Speaker 7: Like the thought of it is crazy, like where do
Speaker 7: we actually come from?
Speaker 2: And the woman being able to actually, like a fractal unfunction,
Speaker 2: manufacture life from itself in all species, not just humans.
Speaker 2: But I find it interesting that within the zygote, as
Speaker 2: it develops within the womb of the human, that it
Speaker 2: basically takes on all these different class and phylum representations
Speaker 2: of the life that's existing on the planet as well.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's required. The explosion is required to trap energy
Speaker 6: into matter, like if you were just harnessing energy into
Speaker 6: matter at the molecular level. It requires that amount of
Speaker 6: burst of energy and it's about I think they said,
Speaker 6: like sixty or six hundred thousand zinc ions that explode
Speaker 6: at the same time and the actual lining of the
Speaker 6: ovum and the zona pellucida that is where the chain
Speaker 6: reaction happens, and it's a chemical biochemical process.
Speaker 5: It's so funny because today I just saw a post
Speaker 5: about for the first time, like recently, they were able
Speaker 5: to make a human fetus out of just stem cells, right,
Speaker 5: so no egg and sperm, like literally just repurposed stem cells.
Speaker 5: And it made me think of that clip, Julia, that
Speaker 5: I think you're talking about, when you know, the the
Speaker 5: zygote I guess gets the egg get fertilized or whatever,
Speaker 5: and then there's that huge spark of light and I
Speaker 5: was like, well, if they're just using stem cells, what
Speaker 5: that even happen? And then like, what is this creation
Speaker 5: that you've made? Is there any soul infused?
Speaker 4: Right when?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's postulated that when that explosion of light happens,
Speaker 2: potentially that that is when the moment and to the spirit,
Speaker 2: like you.
Speaker 5: Said, materializes into matter, right, Like when is that happening?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, is that even a human at that point?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: What is the right It's it's like it's like, I
Speaker 4: don't know if you.
Speaker 7: Guys have ever watched the movie Splice, when you know
Speaker 7: she takes like her egg and puts like weird chicken
Speaker 7: DNA with it and trying to make like hybrid beings
Speaker 7: and shit.
Speaker 4: It just makes you wonder.
Speaker 7: It's it's it's that spark of light when you see it,
Speaker 7: and it's like an explosion, and it's almost like the
Speaker 7: God particle, right, you know, when you are trying to
Speaker 7: fuse those two things together to create and then this
Speaker 7: soul comes down into this ves soul which is the mother,
Speaker 7: and then you grow it and then it's a whole
Speaker 7: entire person. But I have also thought, and you know,
Speaker 7: I think most most of you know, I kind of
Speaker 7: identify myself to be a Christian, but you know, not
Speaker 7: to say that I'm the only person that can be right,
Speaker 7: because I'm open to entertaining all kinds of you know,
Speaker 7: different theories and stuff. But doesn't it make you wonder
Speaker 7: if like the soul of the person that you grow
Speaker 7: inside you, it's like they've always been with you and
Speaker 7: then it's like they wait for like the right time
Speaker 7: and then they come down into the physical, but like
Speaker 7: their spirit has always been with you.
Speaker 2: Well, within some of the Buddhist exte it, it's the
Speaker 2: idea that you have these souls around you and you
Speaker 2: do this eternal dance through time where you continue to
Speaker 2: come back so you can experience and love one another.
Speaker 2: And if those souls so much love one another, that
Speaker 2: is the potential two souls can merge and become one. Impurity,
Speaker 2: and also the idea that if one soul is so
Speaker 2: strong that it can actually explode and fracture and create
Speaker 2: multiple souls of itself. You know, it's it's you know,
Speaker 2: quite beautiful in dark the energetic, you know, precipitation and
Speaker 2: the possibilities of what life. And then when you get
Speaker 2: into DNA itself, right when it twists up into its
Speaker 2: finest form, it's generating photons on its own accordance, just
Speaker 2: through the nature of how and I've postulated that the
Speaker 2: photons generating through the DNA may be the bit rate
Speaker 2: at which we experience time that allows time to actually damn.
Speaker 4: That is intense photon.
Speaker 6: That photon exists at a specific frequency that is the
Speaker 6: fingertip of the actual individual. It is specific and unique
Speaker 6: to that individual. And so when you look at the
Speaker 6: body itself and you look at DNA itself, and you
Speaker 6: look at the soul's frequency, they are all specific to
Speaker 6: each other. And it's like your meat suit has been
Speaker 6: outfitted to your soul's DNA and to respond that way, Well.
Speaker 4: Lisa, how can you make that in a lab?
Speaker 7: It's like that, you can't like that whatever they're doing,
Speaker 7: and they're like, it's it's can't be the same.
Speaker 4: It can't.
Speaker 7: They're they've factored out the spiritual aspect of life and
Speaker 7: they're just creating like weird biological vesta.
Speaker 6: That's going to be the new, the new what is it?
Speaker 6: Discrimination the people that were born natural versus people that
Speaker 6: were not born natural? Right, that's where you're going to
Speaker 6: have that divide. But to give credence to what we're saying,
Speaker 6: and just to kind of insert this when you go
Speaker 6: for IVF, like if you want to in mutual fertilization,
Speaker 6: they obvious they harness both gammies. Right when your obg
Speaker 6: yn is looking at intimation under a microscope, it's looking
Speaker 6: for that flash of light under the microscope. If there's
Speaker 6: embryos that do that produce a flash of light, those
Speaker 6: are you know, collected and they are harvested, you know,
Speaker 6: for implantation later. The ones that are not are discarded.
Speaker 6: So if you're if you're paying upwards of thirty to
Speaker 6: fifty thousand dollars for your obgyn to look for that
Speaker 6: flash of light. That's I think that's a big deal.
Speaker 4: I think that's how can you not believe in God
Speaker 4: when you see something like that. It's just like, this
Speaker 4: is crazy to me. It's the most fun stuff to
Speaker 4: talk about for me. I mean, it's just you know,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: So now, Pausanias he tells us that adds his birth,
Speaker 2: like that of many heroes, is said to be miraculous.
Speaker 2: His mother, Nama, was a virgin who conceived by putting
Speaker 2: a ripe omend or pomegranate in her bosom. And then
Speaker 2: my note is indeed, within the Phrygian culture and their cosmology, right,
Speaker 2: the Omen figured as the father of all things. So
Speaker 2: this is the father and the mother and the offspring.
Speaker 2: This is the divine trinity that you see in all
Speaker 2: the Egyptian you know gnomes of the twelve Gnomes that
Speaker 2: transitions into the various mystery schools that we see coming
Speaker 2: forth in the mystery of Jesus Christ himself.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Something I wanted to say earlier too, Robbie, I just
Speaker 3: want to interject, and I think, well, at least obviously
Speaker 3: would understand this. I think it's very much like in
Speaker 3: Petocles is a love and strife idea. If you go
Speaker 3: back and look at that and kind of get an
Speaker 3: idea of what he's saying there, he's very much almost explaining,
Speaker 3: like my opinion, birth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's you know, and I've theorized that,
Speaker 2: you know, within the Masonic orders, you have the compass
Speaker 2: being uh, the draws of the circles, that is the
Speaker 2: divine heavens, that is, you know, more associated with the female.
Speaker 2: And then you have the square which the draws angles
Speaker 2: more associated with the cube or the male. And basically
Speaker 2: you see that G that's in the center right, You've
Speaker 2: basically taking the female and the male and bringing them together.
Speaker 2: And that is that G is generation, is the creation
Speaker 2: of life. I think that is the most hidden sacred
Speaker 2: mystery of all the mysteries, which isn't.
Speaker 7: Uh that that's like the chalice and the blade coming
Speaker 7: together that thing. So you're just your thoughts because this
Speaker 7: is so similar to like the Immaculate Conception, rob year thoughts.
Speaker 4: Was Jesus asexual?
Speaker 9: I mean?
Speaker 3: Is that why?
Speaker 4: I mean what like what what? What are your thoughts
Speaker 4: on that?
Speaker 7: I mean?
Speaker 4: Did he have children?
Speaker 2: You know, you read Holy what, Holy Blood, Holy Grail
Speaker 2: and they say that the offspring of the children of
Speaker 2: Mary Magdalene and Jesus became what the mayor of Vingian bloodline.
Speaker 2: There there is some argument, but if you look back
Speaker 2: into how these mystery schools function and the scenes being
Speaker 2: taken outside of and being very like, uh, what's the
Speaker 2: word I'm looking for, they basically rejected everything. You know.
Speaker 2: They were limiting their food, they were limiting their exposure
Speaker 2: to the corruption of the city. You know, they were
Speaker 2: limiting their sex, they were limiting like you know, uh,
Speaker 2: so you know, it's it's a good question for sure,
Speaker 2: but but I could definitely see how you know, Jesus
Speaker 2: could have been a potentially a sex'll.
Speaker 4: Be I'm certainly in that way. Sorry, go ahead, you no, no, no,
Speaker 4: that's occasually.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to jump in because I find this
Speaker 1: to be a really interesting point. I think Robbie did
Speaker 1: a really great job fielding that. But I also think,
Speaker 1: like as Buddhist quote unquote, as a we don't believe
Speaker 1: in a fixed soul, but we do believe in the light.
Speaker 1: So like what Robbie, Lisa and Nick are all talking about, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we believe in that like the light of conception, but
Speaker 1: we would say that that's karma. So that's like your
Speaker 1: kind of connection to the people that you were born
Speaker 1: unto and then with. So rather than your soul has
Speaker 1: like it's it's not really a soul. It's more of
Speaker 1: a spirit or like a fix. It's not fixed. Right,
Speaker 1: you can change, you a free will.
Speaker 3: You can.
Speaker 1: You're malleable in the world. You're just like your body
Speaker 1: can change as a like sure Lisa knows is like
Speaker 1: a stress. I mean, Lisa definitely knows, but as like
Speaker 1: a stress recept You know, you changed depending on your inputs,
Speaker 1: your food, your environment, all of that. So the reality
Speaker 1: is is like we change, but yes, we immediately are
Speaker 1: born with like the karmic connection to each other. And
Speaker 1: recognizing that is that's what Buddhism really is. It's like
Speaker 1: that's the whole point is like to recognize, Yeah, everything
Speaker 1: I do has a karma implication and can impact not
Speaker 1: only myself but the people around me and not only
Speaker 1: in material ways but in metaphysical ways.
Speaker 4: The soul family, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can use it. I mean, I'm fine to
Speaker 1: use the word soul. I just I personally don't believe
Speaker 1: in a fixed soul. So you can interpret that however
Speaker 1: you want. Like we're we we really reject that eternalist
Speaker 1: idea of like the soul carries with you through time.
Speaker 1: It's sort of dissipated in time.
Speaker 4: Market.
Speaker 5: Probably we could all like look back on our life
Speaker 5: and have these points where like if you've met somebody,
Speaker 5: I'm not even talking like romantically or whatever, but like
Speaker 5: there's just people. Sometimes in that moment when you meet
Speaker 5: them or see them, there's like a weird like recognition
Speaker 5: or like a certain thing. I also had that with
Speaker 5: both my children, like when they were born or even
Speaker 5: when like I was pregnant with them, Like there were
Speaker 5: certain things about them that it's like I knew was
Speaker 5: going to be this is who you are.
Speaker 4: And then when I held them, I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's you, like an old familiarity, like.
Speaker 7: You knew them all right, they knew them. That's why
Speaker 7: I mentioned, like it's you. It makes you wonder if
Speaker 7: they've not always been with you. I don't know if
Speaker 7: it's like.
Speaker 5: Being with you, but maybe more like like a nat
Speaker 5: sole family or.
Speaker 1: That they come down to be with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah right right, yeah, right, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Surg Just let me just say this really quick about
Speaker 1: that Jesus, because you brought up a really great point
Speaker 1: about Jesus being asexual. So this is a question that
Speaker 1: Tontra actually deals with rather well. Is that and Lisa
Speaker 1: and I were talking about a little in the chat.
Speaker 1: There are different versions of preferences of how to climb
Speaker 1: the tree if you want to call it like that,
Speaker 1: if you want to articulate it like that. So being
Speaker 1: a having a bachelor deity or bachelor god, that is desirable,
Speaker 1: as Robbie was saying, for people who are into radical shromana.
Speaker 1: So shramana just means radical asceticism. So it's like giving
Speaker 1: up all the materialities. So if your view is shramanic, I'll.
Speaker 2: Say, right, medicism as that's the word I was thinking
Speaker 2: of her meticism.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, yeah, but you're going to give up everything.
Speaker 1: Now if your path is radically transgressive, then you're going
Speaker 1: to embrace the pleasures of the flesh. So it really
Speaker 1: depends on how you want, like how your cosmology is,
Speaker 1: how the system is that you get to where you
Speaker 1: want to go, so right, and like, so this is
Speaker 1: a this is the I guess the Kaybell figure of Tntra.
Speaker 1: Her name is Zaka Jatti, which means the one braid,
Speaker 1: and you can see she only has one breast, one eye,
Speaker 1: one thing. And to bring Nick's point about the eye
Speaker 1: falling out, if you look at her, I guess that's
Speaker 1: her left hand. She's holding a heart, a severed heart,
Speaker 1: and there's like a little string and so it does
Speaker 1: look kind of like an eyeball. I didn't choose the
Speaker 1: best image to show that. I chose a more cool image.
Speaker 1: But you can see, like she's blind, she only has
Speaker 1: the one eye, so it's only subtle because when she
Speaker 1: has her physical eyes, she craves and she desires. So
Speaker 1: the whole idea is that when she becomes blind, she
Speaker 1: only has her subtle or her third eye right, so
Speaker 1: she only can perceive the spiritual. So she realizes in
Speaker 1: her karma, oh this is my cosmic function is not
Speaker 1: to destroy the world, but to destroy perception. So it
Speaker 1: has like a much more consciousness layer. It's not like
Speaker 1: as we were talking about this whole time. It's very
Speaker 1: much about consciousness rather than yeah, it can be literal,
Speaker 1: it can be real, it can be also a metaphor,
Speaker 1: it can be also angels, whatever, But really it's about
Speaker 1: you and your consciousness and your body, because I think,
Speaker 1: like Lisa and Nick make a great argument, it's about
Speaker 1: your eye and your womb.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: So now when we trace the name Addis back from
Speaker 2: atus a t u s to eight at ees, all
Speaker 2: find a common meaning in the Caucaus region relating to
Speaker 2: the month or the moon right. And it is also
Speaker 2: held that ideas came from the day that the full
Speaker 2: moon is visible as the etruscans related to the moon
Speaker 2: as itus or itis relating to lunar time, and corresponds
Speaker 2: to the Samerian word itu, which relates to illumination of
Speaker 2: the moon. This word Itu has been in Kaldea and
Speaker 2: in the Acamedean inscriptions used in the exact same manner
Speaker 2: in regard to the illumination or the light, not the
Speaker 2: moon itself, but the light of the moon right, and
Speaker 2: it's believed to have been perceived as a divine being
Speaker 2: in relation to the cycles of the natural world. From
Speaker 2: these names found in Asia Minor being eights Aethus as
Speaker 2: well as Attis, suggesting this to be the true origin
Speaker 2: of the nature of Attis. The moon god a men
Speaker 2: or many of Asia Minor has long been recognized for
Speaker 2: his similarities with Atis men is young like Addis, both
Speaker 2: dress identically, both wear the Phrygian cap of Attis, while
Speaker 2: also both using common attributes of the poppy, the pomegranate,
Speaker 2: and the pine cone. So you know, we can just
Speaker 2: see that this is something that is spreading culturally because
Speaker 2: of this ascended idea of this virgin birth, and this
Speaker 2: means of you know, transitioning into higher forms of reality. Right,
Speaker 2: both Addis and Man are seen with the crescent moon
Speaker 2: above their heads. This godmin uh, these god men, through
Speaker 2: their symbols, is a blossoming. Is a blossom blossoming, nourish
Speaker 2: and nourished by ancient roots growing outward from Addis.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I could just keep going on and on about you know,
Speaker 2: this is basically the notes I was writing for for
Speaker 2: the Nimrod book, because Nimrod directly ties in with this
Speaker 2: as far as one of the cut up gods.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: You know something again, you mentioned the crescent moon, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I can say it earlier, but I don't just forgot,
Speaker 3: uh you know, when we're talking about like I guess,
Speaker 3: you know, conception and everything. I've often thought and I
Speaker 3: think somebody might have actually said it to me. May
Speaker 3: not be original idea. So I just want to put
Speaker 3: that out there the way I explain that my experience
Speaker 3: with crossing the Abyss at the end, it is very
Speaker 3: much almost like kind of going out the same way
Speaker 3: it came in. I will see that eclipse and eventually
Speaker 3: turn into a crescent moon, and the black part Blackspiel,
Speaker 3: will get pulled away from the white one. The poles
Speaker 3: will separate, and then it's an explosion of light and
Speaker 3: I'm gone. So it's like, you know, there's an explosion
Speaker 3: of light coming into the physical sense. And then when
Speaker 3: I separate, when I believe I separate the soul from
Speaker 3: the body, there's an explosion of light going out, you know.
Speaker 3: And I will see a crescent moon in my visual
Speaker 3: at some point when it starts to slowly pull apart,
Speaker 3: it looks like a crescent moon apart.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, and you see that crescent moon in
Speaker 2: these moon these male moon deities going back into man
Speaker 2: or Manny coming into Addis. But you also see that
Speaker 2: crescent moon in numerous places of these numerous different god
Speaker 2: forms all over the earth.
Speaker 3: Tod who's associated with the hemaphrodite.
Speaker 4: Yep, And that crescent is the the beak of the.
Speaker 2: Of the ibis in regard to thought, and it was
Speaker 2: considered also as a writing nib in regard to prophecy.
Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, I only associated the moon with being
Speaker 7: like a feminine energy that, oh yeah for sure.
Speaker 4: Well so thought right.
Speaker 2: Within Egyptian mythology rode in the moon and the moon
Speaker 2: was isis basically right, but thought was represented as the
Speaker 2: dark side of the moon, you know, like pink floyd,
Speaker 2: which is basically considered to be the hidden wisdom of
Speaker 2: the divine feminine. So there is a direct correlation with
Speaker 2: the feminine for sure.
Speaker 7: I was going to say, because it controls your it's
Speaker 7: supposed to if you're living right, it's supposed to control
Speaker 7: your minstrual cycle.
Speaker 2: Right, and the tides coming and going of the tides,
Speaker 2: you know. I think it goes deep when you get
Speaker 2: into the moon and the basically creating the structure for
Speaker 2: life on the planet in regard to you know, the
Speaker 2: movement and not letting everything on Earth lay.
Speaker 4: Stagnant poulation can sometimes be connected to the moon too. Sorry,
Speaker 4: you guys go.
Speaker 6: Just usually full moons, that's when you do. I don't
Speaker 6: know about female, but I do know living on a
Speaker 6: rancher farm or whatever you do have. If you have
Speaker 6: animals that are about to drop, it never fails the
Speaker 6: full moon. They they'll all end up dropping the same time.
Speaker 2: And within the agricultural ideas of the moon, right, you
Speaker 2: would plant on a new moon when there's no moon,
Speaker 2: because what's going to happen is as the moon is
Speaker 2: building an energy and becoming more and more full, it's
Speaker 2: actually working on those plants to pull them out of
Speaker 2: the ground. So it's in regard to the growth of
Speaker 2: you know, life itself in the plant form.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the moon is Yeah, what's that?
Speaker 5: No, I always thought that like at night when you're observing,
Speaker 5: like you know, your plants or whatever, like they look
Speaker 5: so alive that night. Yeah, yeah, I'm like they're growing,
Speaker 5: I swear to God, and like you always children, you
Speaker 5: know when they wake up the next morning like you
Speaker 5: grew last night, Right, It's like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shop overnight.
Speaker 2: And that's traditionally you receive the energy from the sun,
Speaker 2: that is the vivifying and programming energy, and then when
Speaker 2: you go into that state of sweep or comatose where
Speaker 2: the moon works its energies on you, that's when you healing.
Speaker 2: You're growing you're doing all the necessary things that you know,
Speaker 2: encourage health with me and decomposition.
Speaker 4: On the opposite end as well.
Speaker 7: I don't think that we know anything about what the
Speaker 7: moon really is because it's like if you stand in
Speaker 7: the shade at night versus the moonlight, the shade is
Speaker 7: cooler than the moonlight.
Speaker 4: So there is like something radiating off of the bitch
Speaker 4: and it's growing.
Speaker 7: It's like you said, things grow in the moonlight, your
Speaker 7: your ovulation, your minstrel. There's there is an energy force
Speaker 7: around the moon. Like I'm so sick and tired of
Speaker 7: people being like, oh, it's a used car that aliens
Speaker 7: used to get here and then they just abandoned it.
Speaker 4: And it's like, no way, dude, I can't get on
Speaker 4: board with that.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting, go ahead, sorry, even cabalistically, when
Speaker 3: do you look where the moon is? It's even something
Speaker 3: that projects light out of it, and it's even coltic
Speaker 3: imagery creator. But something I wanted to say before forgotten
Speaker 3: finally remembered, uh something, maybe Julia, why you might be misunderstood.
Speaker 3: And I think it's a huge issue amongst you know,
Speaker 3: even the occult and conspiracy or just in general that
Speaker 3: something that's not noticed to look at when you want
Speaker 3: to look at these planets or even spheres on like abolatry,
Speaker 3: there's always going to be a male and a female
Speaker 3: idea to it. And I don't think that's widely known.
Speaker 3: It's just always thinking that this is always going to
Speaker 3: be male, that's always going to be female. There's always
Speaker 3: something with it. Like even with the moon Crowley at
Speaker 3: one point I think thought he was a reincarnation of
Speaker 3: of constant constant or I can't say it, pronounce it
Speaker 3: perfectly right now, that was a male deity of the moon.
Speaker 3: Most people didn't you know that, you know, like I think,
Speaker 3: if you want to take a good idea of how
Speaker 3: to even explain, maybe like this could be correct. It's
Speaker 3: a theory of mine of like the male and female
Speaker 3: aspect the moon itself would the structure of it would
Speaker 3: be the female, and then that light you're talking about
Speaker 3: reflecting off of it or coming out of it would
Speaker 3: be the male aspect.
Speaker 7: I think it's awesome that those energies are balanced. I
Speaker 7: just don't think it's talked about much. That's all right, right, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 7: We're super profound. Sorry, and Robbie, I just want to
Speaker 7: say that, Yeah, Nick was right on with that. That's
Speaker 7: even a ton tric understanding. If you look at any
Speaker 7: tontric iconography, there's always a female or a male deity implied, always,
Speaker 7: even if they're solo. We call the ecavira a solitary
Speaker 7: hero form. But even if they're like that, there's always
Speaker 7: little subtle implications that the theikini or the concert is
Speaker 7: in the image with them. And that's even a couplistic idea.
Speaker 7: It's not just tontric because it's really their breath. It's
Speaker 7: really the breath of God. That's really the check. So
Speaker 7: they're always there. So I agree with Nick. It's like
Speaker 7: the moon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're right, Gulia, it has a feminine there's
Speaker 1: a feminine element to the moon, but there's also a
Speaker 1: masculine element. Because Nick and I have talked about this
Speaker 1: idea with like Toad into Hoodie before, there's an idea
Speaker 1: that the time so this has been a three, but
Speaker 1: can only express into the world in eight, so in Hode,
Speaker 1: but then he can really only express in nine because
Speaker 1: there's actually plus one. There's time, right, so it's the
Speaker 1: eight cycles plus one. So that's why he appears, which
Speaker 1: is yasode, which is nine. So you can see it's
Speaker 1: like the mercurial force, the masculine energy has to travel
Speaker 1: over to the Moon to actually take form. It cannot
Speaker 1: just take form in d It has to come into
Speaker 1: formation onto the foundation. That's an interesting way. I just
Speaker 1: thought with nix I was super profound and just wanted
Speaker 1: to ref off that. Sorry about that.
Speaker 3: Even another way, I want to even try to show that.
Speaker 3: And I didn't know this until the guy from a
Speaker 3: Library of the Untold came on. I listened to one
Speaker 3: of his things. Uh, just again with this, Julie was
Speaker 3: saying the moon with birth, you know, you know, with
Speaker 3: that whole aspect, if you were to be taken out
Speaker 3: of the Sun and put into a cave for like
Speaker 3: a month or two, you're not going to drop any eggs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you need the sun to even You need both right, right?
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Well it's like yin and yang, right, Like
Speaker 5: there's a bit a piece of each in both, right,
Speaker 5: Like it's never exclusive.
Speaker 1: Complimentaries, not polarities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like I don't know if that has to
Speaker 3: do with this, the skin obsorbing the sun, but your
Speaker 3: eyes are going to be taking that in as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there there is a there's a theory that if
Speaker 6: you gaze upon the moon, especially a full moon, that
Speaker 6: it charges your pinial gland, especially at midnight, like it
Speaker 6: makes it ready to receive all of the light the
Speaker 6: next day. And the other thing that I wanted to say,
Speaker 6: Tyrannian purple, the purple that was coveted by the royals,
Speaker 6: can only be produced by sea snails. When you suppose
Speaker 6: there they're there are secretions to moonlight and that I
Speaker 6: mean immediately you see it and it's clear, right, it
Speaker 6: doesn't look like at all, But then leave it in
Speaker 6: the moon. The next day it's it's purple.
Speaker 7: Purp more than a foalsphorescent seaweed or whatever like them
Speaker 7: can make the water look like it's glowing and in
Speaker 7: the light.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, there's guys do it. The moon is a
Speaker 4: photo developer's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know something I want to I want to
Speaker 3: toss in here too, And Lisa just reminded me of it,
Speaker 3: and I swear one day we'll actually cover it in
Speaker 3: Trolley's libresh or his rush.
Speaker 9: Thing.
Speaker 3: You're praying to the sun at four different times of
Speaker 3: the day, and if you start looking at it correctly,
Speaker 3: I think that you are seeing yourself actually priming or
Speaker 3: per neeal gland for the way that you're supposed to
Speaker 3: to actually get like full potential out of it. So
Speaker 3: I think, like what she was even saying, I think
Speaker 3: you even see that in ritualistic work. Oh oh and
Speaker 3: real quick, sorry, sorry, what I also wanted to add,
Speaker 3: real quick and another reason why I again I thought
Speaker 3: I had something to do. I totally lost it. Sorry.
Speaker 3: Is again, even in that description when you're talking about it,
Speaker 3: you are in up barge and Toth is at the wheel.
Speaker 3: So again you have another crescent shape and you have
Speaker 3: it associated with Toth.
Speaker 1: Right right right.
Speaker 5: Well, even like going like in the sun four times
Speaker 5: a day to do like your ritualistic work, it gets
Speaker 5: your eyeball exposed to the sun at four different times,
Speaker 5: which is supposed to regulate your circadian rhythm and put
Speaker 5: all your hormones in a cascade in which they're supposed
Speaker 5: to function ideally and prepare you for sleep, which produces
Speaker 5: melatonin and allows all the growth and all the good
Speaker 5: things to happen.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 4: Interesting, Sorry, Julia, you were going to say, okay.
Speaker 7: Oh, I was just gonna say, I didn't know. I
Speaker 7: don't know if Robbie was expecting the conversation to go
Speaker 7: this way. We've talked about literally every aspect of life today.
Speaker 4: This is amazing.
Speaker 2: It's you know, like to dig into these topics, you know,
Speaker 2: especially when people know what they're talking about as far
Speaker 2: as you know, you know. So now we got into
Speaker 2: the details of the evergreen tree in regard to it
Speaker 2: being symbolic of everlasting life in spite of the death.
Speaker 4: Of the winner, and and.
Speaker 2: Oh here it is right here. We also see in
Speaker 2: the ancient character of Sylvanus, who they set up the
Speaker 2: Sylvian schools after. You see him all over New England
Speaker 2: as far as Sylvian learning, right, But he was the
Speaker 2: woodland deity of the Saturnian Golden Age that was called
Speaker 2: the god of the pine wood, very similar and related
Speaker 2: to Addis, right, And basically within the cult of Addis
Speaker 2: they would have these sacred tree bears because the symbol
Speaker 2: of Addis was represented by this tall standing pine tree
Speaker 2: fir tree, you know, depending on where you move within
Speaker 2: these these different mystery schools.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And so it was on the day, the twenty second
Speaker 2: day of March being three to two two, right, that
Speaker 2: a pine tree was cut and brought into the sanctuary
Speaker 2: of Kibili, where it was treated as a great divine entity.
Speaker 2: The duty of carrying the tree was entrusted to a
Speaker 2: guild of tree bearers. And then we have these Zimmermen
Speaker 2: in Germany which built the cathedrals of Germany that were
Speaker 2: called the Zimmerman, which were the tree bears as well.
Speaker 2: So just kind of tying that in right. And then
Speaker 2: also at this same time, because we have Phrygia tied
Speaker 2: in with ancient Greece right in the year three two
Speaker 2: two BC, there is an ancient and eternal brotherhood of
Speaker 2: death that was formed in ancient Greece that descended from
Speaker 2: ancient Grecian society dating back to Demosthenes. And then if
Speaker 2: we look at the Order of the skullen Bones right,
Speaker 2: their records, the way that they keep the records within
Speaker 2: the skull and Bones, they always add three hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty two years to whatever the current date is, so
Speaker 2: ie in nineteen fifty they would record it as Anto
Speaker 2: Demosthene twenty two seventy two. So you know, another cult
Speaker 2: or secret society here that we're seeing that's playing with
Speaker 2: the cylindrical cycle, you know. But I think definitely ties
Speaker 2: back to this ancient function and who was it?
Speaker 4: James G.
Speaker 2: Fraser in his work he talks about they would basically
Speaker 2: hollow this tree out and they would make an effigy
Speaker 2: of Addis and put it in the tree, like Christ
Speaker 2: in the Sarcophaga, or in the coffin, or Lazarus and
Speaker 2: the Sarcophagus, you know, and basically after three days they
Speaker 2: would resurrect the god and then burn him. And James G.
Speaker 2: Fraser said, not only did they do that with Addis,
Speaker 2: but in Egypt they'd had a very similar ritual where
Speaker 2: they would hollow out a tree and put the put
Speaker 2: you know, Osyrus in and resurrect him up his horse.
Speaker 2: So you know, we can see the ties between all
Speaker 2: these different cultures.
Speaker 9: Quick question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to open up a whole, entire
Speaker 4: new casserole of things, but.
Speaker 7: Ye have think about like Santo Spinacci, and like he says,
Speaker 7: all this stuff is the same story, just repeated over, indifferent,
Speaker 7: like even the Christ story. And I hate to say
Speaker 7: that because I am a Christian, but sometimes I listen
Speaker 7: to his stuff and I'm like, God.
Speaker 4: Damn, he's got a point.
Speaker 3: Listen, I will say, some of his old stuff, you'll
Speaker 3: even I didn't know he was into it, even though
Speaker 3: I listened to him in the past. Some people had
Speaker 3: sent it to me after I did the Eyeballs series.
Speaker 3: He has said some shit that I've even said on
Speaker 3: this show. Just for some reason, people don't remember that stuff.
Speaker 3: He has actually some shit that I think is extremely deep,
Speaker 3: and I think he understands what magic is. Maybe he's
Speaker 3: blown out from fucking with it too much now, but
Speaker 3: that man was also something at some point the.
Speaker 7: Very beginnings of his YouTube channel, like if you go
Speaker 7: back and you watch like the first couple videos, it'll
Speaker 7: make you think about stuff in a completely different way,
Speaker 7: kind of like what Robbie is saying today, Like this
Speaker 7: story that repeats itself throughout cultures, throughout time through with
Speaker 7: the same like main character that does the same thing,
Speaker 7: and it aligns with the planetary system, and like the zodiac,
Speaker 7: and it's it's all.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know, just it just made
Speaker 4: me think of that for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2: So now within the temple of Addis, right, the drinking
Speaker 2: of wine was not allowed at all, and there was
Speaker 2: a legend that when Addis roamed the woods with just
Speaker 2: Agnetus being mother Kibli, who deeply loved the beautiful Addis,
Speaker 2: even though not naturally adequate. While under the influence of wine,
Speaker 2: Addis confessed his love for the castrated Andrew John, in
Speaker 2: which there is some thought about this cult being against
Speaker 2: the ideas of sexual pleasure, which we talked about in
Speaker 2: purifying themselves in such a demonstrably bloody manner in regard
Speaker 2: to removing their generative organs. Right, and in this ritual
Speaker 2: it was also implied a sacred marriage of the initiati
Speaker 2: to the Goddess herself in the form of what they
Speaker 2: call the highri gamos, which is basically the divine marriage
Speaker 2: of you know, the God and the goddess, or the
Speaker 2: Goddess and the mortal, or depends on. But there's this
Speaker 2: this essential idea of this bridal chamber, right, and this
Speaker 2: was a high level initiatory right in ancient schools called
Speaker 2: the hirogami of the Mysteries, in that there was a
Speaker 2: holy marriage between Addis and the goddess Mother Kibili, just
Speaker 2: as Jesus is referred to the bridegroom in multiple passages
Speaker 2: of the Bible, as in John four four through forty two,
Speaker 2: where Jesus is depicted as the bridegroom Messiah who offers
Speaker 2: eternal life right, and I have appeared, yeah, and in
Speaker 2: this sacred marriage. Once the sacred marriage precipitated, the initiate
Speaker 2: would become a priest or, a priestess of the Goddess,
Speaker 2: potentially a high level tantric cleric devoted to the mother,
Speaker 2: and the initiate of the cult participated in purification processes,
Speaker 2: trials and degrees of elevation, fasting, and eventually the divine
Speaker 2: marriage and the bridegroom chamber becoming a supplicant servant of
Speaker 2: the divine virgin Goddess. Clement of Alexandria, who was initiated
Speaker 2: into the cult before his Christian conversion, relates that when
Speaker 2: being indoctrinated into the Phrygian Rites, he was schooled to say,
Speaker 2: I have eaten from the tambourine, I have drunk from
Speaker 2: the sibyl, I have carried the kenos of stolen into
Speaker 2: the bridal chamber. And it basically just relates to the
Speaker 2: aspects of this sacred Hiroscamos considered by the Pythagoreans to
Speaker 2: be represented by the number five being halfway, as the
Speaker 2: marriage is halfway between the Earth and the heavens being
Speaker 2: the merging of spirit and matter.
Speaker 4: Damn right, that's a mind.
Speaker 2: That's an excerpt gives.
Speaker 6: Which kind of gives a nod to the Pythagoreans obsession
Speaker 6: with the number.
Speaker 2: Ten, right, the one and the zero, the void and
Speaker 2: the generative factor, the reproductive again, back to the sacred
Speaker 2: mystic idea of.
Speaker 6: Generation and the five being that middle point.
Speaker 2: Between heaven and Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely soon.
Speaker 4: I feel like I need to be smarter to understand
Speaker 4: this stuff.
Speaker 2: Getting older and then you have to die.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 3: Like I gotta do this over again.
Speaker 7: Even some of the stuff that Nick talks about with
Speaker 7: like becoming a magician or like what it is to
Speaker 7: be a part of like this this mystery type of
Speaker 7: religion stuff, I can't under fucking stand some of it.
Speaker 4: Like I'm like, maybe I'm just stupid.
Speaker 3: I don't know, no, no, you I jumped into the
Speaker 3: middle of stuff. That's why.
Speaker 2: Beginning when you're investigating the stuff, you don't understand any
Speaker 2: of it. But the more you're exposed to it, the
Speaker 2: more you begin to like see the cross references and
Speaker 2: how the dots connect, and the picture gets bigger and bigger.
Speaker 2: It's a gradual learning process. It takes years and years
Speaker 2: and years to go through, you.
Speaker 4: Know, but just realize, you know thing and you're like, okay,
Speaker 4: right down again.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 2: Even where I'm at now, after all these years of study,
Speaker 2: I'm constantly coming into certain concepts and ideas where I'm like,
Speaker 2: I have no idea what this means, and so you know,
Speaker 2: you delve into it. You kind of you know, wash
Speaker 2: yourself in it and kind of try to understand what
Speaker 2: it is, so.
Speaker 5: That it's so vast and so beautiful. It's so amazing tapestry.
Speaker 5: And I think sometimes as humans were like we're on
Speaker 5: looking at the tapestry like too close because because we
Speaker 5: have such a small perspective, right, But it's like God
Speaker 5: has the wide view and he's like, don't worry, it's okay.
Speaker 4: You know, it's gonna all work out or whatever your
Speaker 4: viewpoint is. That's why it all looks different.
Speaker 7: Literally, there's a song about that, and uh, you probably
Speaker 7: watched the Teresa, Prince of Egypt when he goes and
Speaker 7: he meets his wife in the desert.
Speaker 4: The Ethiopian lady and her.
Speaker 7: Dad is like, you know, everything is a tapestry and
Speaker 7: all the woven colors make up the entire picture.
Speaker 4: That's that's how I feel.
Speaker 7: Even like with podcasting and meeting like people like Jen
Speaker 7: and Nick and Robbie, it's like their perspective is so
Speaker 7: different than mine that it opens me up to like
Speaker 7: all a ton of different possibilities of what's what reality
Speaker 7: really is?
Speaker 2: You know, yeah it is, yeah, And the mindscape is infinite,
Speaker 2: you know, So it's the finite versus the infinite all
Speaker 2: within us, you know. So Now, it was after this
Speaker 2: sacred marriage and the castration would happen if you get
Speaker 2: into the Roman stories, you know, basically it was called
Speaker 2: the Day of Blood. It was one of the festival
Speaker 2: seasons that they would have, and all the Day of
Speaker 2: Blood they would work up to it and they would
Speaker 2: castrate themselves in a frenzy. They you know, doing these
Speaker 2: dances and they have these swords and they're cutting themselves.
Speaker 2: Blood's going everywhere. And at the height of that day
Speaker 2: of blood was when they would separate themselves from their
Speaker 2: generative force basically, and they would throw it through a
Speaker 2: window as they were running through the streets, and whoever's
Speaker 2: window it went in, had to basically get women's clothes
Speaker 2: and make up and all the stuff for first aid,
Speaker 2: and go out and take care of them and put
Speaker 2: the divine feminine sacred garments on them and put makeup
Speaker 2: on them, and then they would become risen as a
Speaker 2: high priest of Mother Kibli. Right so, and then it
Speaker 2: was at an unspecified time in the ancient Notes of
Speaker 2: Scalia that discussed the chambers of Lobrin as being sacred
Speaker 2: subterranean places where the worshipers of Attis and Rhea had
Speaker 2: In had Oh, who had emsculated themselves used to come
Speaker 2: to deposit their genitals. Right Marquius Mincius Felix in his
Speaker 2: Octavius relates that these broken instruments of fertility were afterward
Speaker 2: reverently wrapped up and buried in the earth in subterranean
Speaker 2: chambers sacred to Kibili. And then this goes back to
Speaker 2: James G. Frasier that postulates that we may conjecture that
Speaker 2: in the olden days, the priests who bore the name
Speaker 2: and played the part of Addis at the spring festival
Speaker 2: of Kibili was regularly hanged or otherwise slain upon the
Speaker 2: sacred tree, just as balder, the beautiful.
Speaker 7: And the making what this is something else that's repeated
Speaker 7: throughout multiple that you know, getting into Kennedy and you
Speaker 7: know what happened to.
Speaker 6: Not to be graphic, but what happened to the Genitalia.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They would they would go to this place called
Speaker 2: the Lobraine and basically they would take these uh, these
Speaker 2: units as they were wrapped up, and then they probably
Speaker 2: cleaned them and wrapped them and then they would bury
Speaker 2: them in the earth. And I would imagine it has
Speaker 2: something to do with fertility, you know. I know at
Speaker 2: the Tower of London, when they would castraight people, they
Speaker 2: would actually throw their members into the courtyard for the
Speaker 2: ravens to devour.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I guess circumcisions sounds so bad compared
Speaker 5: to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, at least you still have some
Speaker 4: of it left.
Speaker 3: I can't, I can see it's now just imagine they're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: they take one and it falls out of its beak
Speaker 3: and hit somebody on the head.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: God.
Speaker 2: So, but now what we have to understand within this
Speaker 2: whole process, right, that this process was generally seen as
Speaker 2: being a voluntary process entering willingly for the transmutation in
Speaker 2: a secret manner of ascension. This harvesting of the green
Speaker 2: corn is what they call this. In some of the
Speaker 2: text shot the mind into a death or a near
Speaker 2: death like experience, right, and uh, let's see uh creating
Speaker 2: a sense of transformation, salvation, and illumination of a divine
Speaker 2: madness of sorts, which Plato gets into extensively. But so
Speaker 2: the guard he believed that the unit priests put themselves
Speaker 2: in a permanent, permanent limity, irreversibly placing themselves outside of
Speaker 2: ordinary human nature, being neither gods nor men, but something
Speaker 2: in between.
Speaker 6: So wow, okay, I have I have a question in
Speaker 6: jen you're brining to correct me. So this, this belief system,
Speaker 6: this practice originated Mediterranean esque, right, I was worn original?
Speaker 6: Didn't corn originate in the Americas?
Speaker 1: So that's what is said. But in my own personal
Speaker 1: experience with and maybe I think maybe you have had
Speaker 1: this experience too, some of the things that they say
Speaker 1: are indigenous plants that they actually have a much more
Speaker 1: universal distribution. Because a really great example of this is
Speaker 1: actually Detera. They used to say, oh, Detera in oxia
Speaker 1: is the only American variety, but actually we have all
Speaker 1: three kinds that appear in the Americas and have for
Speaker 1: a very long time, perhaps pre European colonization. So but
Speaker 1: this also appears in India and all three kinds, and
Speaker 1: then also appears in all the Himalayas and all of Asia,
Speaker 1: because we know we have medical Chinese medical texts from
Speaker 1: three thousand years ago that actually detail the use of it,
Speaker 1: so we know these things must have been universal rather
Speaker 1: than geographically limited. So I don't I don't know to
Speaker 1: answer your question, like really properly, Lisa, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know if if I'm going to give a theory. I
Speaker 1: actually think that probably they did originate, like I think
Speaker 1: corn and tomatoes probably did originate in Mexico or the
Speaker 1: Southwest area, but maybe there was other points of contact.
Speaker 1: And obviously JJ was talking about this like with the
Speaker 1: templars and the.
Speaker 2: So like when you get into that that idea, I've
Speaker 2: come across numerous places where they say that the Egyptian
Speaker 2: is called wheat corn, so you know it may have
Speaker 2: been just and corn is a grand as wheat as
Speaker 2: the grass. So maybe any of these fruit producing grasses
Speaker 2: at one time were called corn. But as far as
Speaker 2: other areas of connection, you know, you have within the
Speaker 2: Egyptian the hieroglyphs representations of pineapples from South America. They're
Speaker 2: bringing cocaine from South America to preserve the pharaoh's heart within.
Speaker 2: And I actually have seen a couple places where they
Speaker 2: have ears of corn in Egyptian hieroglyphs. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it's synonymous. I think there was a global culture
Speaker 2: that was that was moving much more than we think possible.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you watch enough ancient Aliens, you'll learn that
Speaker 7: wheat and corn came from Aliens and everybody had the
Speaker 7: ship at one point, and so specifically wheat and corn
Speaker 7: are Alien.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I'm not saying that's my opinion. I'm
Speaker 4: just saying what Asia Aliens said.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great point, though, Julia is because
Speaker 1: one thing that well, like Robbie said, like corn is
Speaker 1: a poe schet. It's a grass family plant. So there
Speaker 1: are other grass family plants are actually extremely important for
Speaker 1: human history. Like many of the grass family plants are edible.
Speaker 1: One of the first grains in Asia was called jobs
Speaker 1: t here. Well, obviously they didn't call it jobs here,
Speaker 1: but we call it jobs here and that's a very nutritive,
Speaker 1: very medicinal, actually edible grain. That's I eat it all
Speaker 1: the time. It's very delicious. It's not gross or anything.
Speaker 1: So but I'm just what I'm trying to say is that,
Speaker 1: like you look at the history, it's like millet, it's
Speaker 1: like it's it's not exactly. The wheat culture came much
Speaker 1: much later. And so yeah, and I and I think
Speaker 1: that the grass component is actually often overlooked by a
Speaker 1: lot of like a Bible conspiracy. I'm not throwing Christians
Speaker 1: at any interesting Bible conspiracy people, and just in general,
Speaker 1: O call like as Nick would say, oh call consiracy,
Speaker 1: like I think that they they don't really know bodny.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you have to be like, I'm
Speaker 1: not an excellent bonus myself. I'm just saying, if you
Speaker 1: understand some of the connections between them, you can actually
Speaker 1: make more logical conclusions.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also if you get into the early Judaic texts,
Speaker 2: they talk about basically when Adam was ejected from Paradise,
Speaker 2: that he was sent into the lowest realm of darkness
Speaker 2: and had to suffer down there. Before they he was
Speaker 2: weeping in prayer and they finally brought him up to
Speaker 2: this realm where we are now, and then he had
Speaker 2: a problem getting food and was just he tried to
Speaker 2: drown himself in the river and God had to bring
Speaker 2: him back to life, and he was crying because.
Speaker 4: He was hungry.
Speaker 2: And so one of the angels went to God and
Speaker 2: basically was like, you know, he's starving, what are we
Speaker 2: going to do? And God or the Elohim basically took
Speaker 2: part of his own body and like rubbed it and
Speaker 2: condensed it down into the very first wheak germ or
Speaker 2: the wheat kernel, and then the angel brought that to Adam,
Speaker 2: and then Adam became the first farmer, you know, associated
Speaker 2: with the red earth. And then the bread is what
Speaker 2: fed the growing, it growing in expanding civilization.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, wheat is mentioned so many times
Speaker 7: in the Bible as being spiritually significant, the wheat and
Speaker 7: the tears. You're right, yes, yeah, yeah, I do think
Speaker 7: it's spiritually significant, especially if it comes from aliens.
Speaker 5: Fat is interesting that, like you're saying, Adam's own flesh
Speaker 5: then became wheat, because then you have Christ becoming the
Speaker 5: Eucharist in the mask.
Speaker 4: Well, it was God's flesh that became weak, oh God's flesh. Okay, Oh,
Speaker 4: so then that makes sense that, like, you know, it
Speaker 4: makes more sense. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Okay, back to melt cheese, a dick with the bread
Speaker 2: and the wine and the first second. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: So now let's see, like Addis as far as this
Speaker 2: figure that would demasculated and be risen to the state
Speaker 2: of you know, the priestess of the Kibili cult, right,
Speaker 2: Like Addis, the demasculated disciple emulates the secret of the
Speaker 2: Mother of the mountains. And this secret of Kibili is
Speaker 2: that she is the hermaphroditic Agnatus, who herself was emasculated
Speaker 2: by a messenger of the gods. As we talked about earlier,
Speaker 2: and in the Hittite religion before we're looking at sixteen
Speaker 2: hundred to eleven eighty BC, Agdatus is also their sacred hermaphrodite.
Speaker 2: So it's just let me read this last paragraph and
Speaker 2: then this wi wrap it up. In some ways, it
Speaker 2: seems as though Addis and and Kibili were an older
Speaker 2: form of this fertility worship that from Phrygia in its
Speaker 2: trans translation into Syria, becoming Adonis and Aphrodite and to
Speaker 2: the figures bring us closer to the original route of
Speaker 2: the the origins of these mystery schools, you know, in
Speaker 2: essence in relation to Nimrod tamuz Osirius and the expanding
Speaker 2: you know school as it spread globally.
Speaker 4: And that's it. Wow, So barn Burner, Robbie, I mean,
Speaker 4: literally you crushed. It always does.
Speaker 2: So. But that's basically what I've been working on the
Speaker 2: swimmer and that's that's part of the book that uh
Speaker 2: you know, parts of that are direct excerpts from my book.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's that's awesome.
Speaker 7: I mean, I feel like I learned a ton That's great.
Speaker 3: Something I did want to add about the whole wheat thing,
Speaker 3: and I mean Lisa could concur and Soca Teresa because
Speaker 3: she was in the series, so she knows what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about. I'm not crazy, but we did at one
Speaker 3: point kind of like show like what the Zamiles is
Speaker 3: in looks like underneath in your eye, and it does
Speaker 3: very much look like a wheat or almost depending on
Speaker 3: what the way you're looking at it, and if you're
Speaker 3: showing I think like there's like pole up things kind
Speaker 3: of in there, almost looks like a lavender, which again
Speaker 3: is associated with total Uh. The zanniles is in in
Speaker 3: your eye is what actually makes your lens raise up
Speaker 3: and down, and that's when you get the whole change
Speaker 3: and everything starts going on inside your eye. I even
Speaker 3: question when we talk about your sol being the machinery
Speaker 3: or the imagery of the world. I often wonder, and
Speaker 3: it's called that you're considered a machiner or a mechanism
Speaker 3: in a sense, or I from wonder if it's actually
Speaker 3: talking about that, because that is actually what's changing the
Speaker 3: direction of light in your eye, if it's reflecting out
Speaker 3: this way or going back up that way. So I
Speaker 3: often wonder about like wheat, when it's always you see
Speaker 3: it always kind of in a circular shape, and you're
Speaker 3: talking about rising bread on leaven, is it actually showing
Speaker 3: the whole rising the lens in your eye. I know
Speaker 3: that's a little out there. And then just one thing
Speaker 3: I wanted to mention before you know, everybody else says whatever,
Speaker 3: before we wrap it up with this image right here.
Speaker 3: If you see that, uh, the thing on top of
Speaker 3: his head, that's exactly what it starts to look like.
Speaker 3: When I say the eclipse starts to separate from itself,
Speaker 3: and during that whole time, it's a little bit much.
Speaker 3: But this is just my theory because of my own
Speaker 3: experiences of my own visions. During that whole time, I'm
Speaker 3: always pressing on my pineal gland really fucking hard, and
Speaker 3: once those two things separate from each other, it feels
Speaker 3: like it snaps back and punches me in the head.
Speaker 3: And that's when I see the light and it goes.
Speaker 3: I often think about the whole way that a snake fights,
Speaker 3: goes forward to strike and then pulls back when it's
Speaker 3: in flight, fight in the flight at the same at
Speaker 3: the same time, just like Horace, who is a bird
Speaker 3: that is a warrior, flight and fight at the same time.
Speaker 3: And I also conclude that that's exactly why my eyes changed,
Speaker 3: because one is in fight mode and the other one's
Speaker 3: in flight mode at the same time. Right, So that's
Speaker 3: the go ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry. I was so excited
Speaker 1: after you were saying that, because I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that just shows that having the magical experience
Speaker 1: is as good as as like understanding the image, because
Speaker 1: that's what it looks like, a cruscent moon, but it's
Speaker 1: really the eclipse, and only someone who really knows would
Speaker 1: know that, Like a normative Hindu won't know that. I
Speaker 1: won't be able to tell you. They'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a crust the moon if sheba, it's the eclipse,
Speaker 1: and even the snake confirms it, because the snake is
Speaker 1: the god of the eclipse, right like the dragon Rahu.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you don't even switch hilarities at
Speaker 3: that point, which is why I.
Speaker 1: Get to say exactly. And so he's even depicted as
Speaker 1: feminine Shiva even though he's he's clearly a masculine figure,
Speaker 1: so he's gone through that hermetic process. He's a risen
Speaker 1: at yasoda at the moon, and the Shakti is there
Speaker 1: waiting for him. The feminine force at the moon is
Speaker 1: there waiting for him, but it's really always with him.
Speaker 1: But maybe she can't express herself fully until she's there.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a really interesting idea.
Speaker 3: It's like your soul pouring out of your head too.
Speaker 3: I always say it feels like it's just fucking like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's what it is. It's like when
Speaker 1: they worship Shiva, who could be considered to be like
Speaker 1: Ihovah or rudra. He can they pour milk on his hijaya,
Speaker 1: which just means his crown on it is that that's
Speaker 1: the big bun thing that he wears. It's like it's
Speaker 1: like a lump of flush. Sometimes it's described sometimes it's
Speaker 1: like a dreadlock. It depends on the text. But it's
Speaker 1: to pacify the arising consciousness at your so like to
Speaker 1: pacify him so he's cool and calm, like the moon.
Speaker 1: So that's what the whole thing of the milk is.
Speaker 1: It's like pouring milk over the black stone. What color
Speaker 1: does arise? Turquoise? Turquoise like the day sky. So you're
Speaker 1: putting God to sleep. That's kind of the idea.
Speaker 3: So thank you. This is a great illustration. Man. Anybody
Speaker 3: else have anything? I know, I kind of like took
Speaker 3: it over and got wear right there.
Speaker 4: That's good. I was just going to say something about
Speaker 4: the wheat because you brought.
Speaker 9: It up to.
Speaker 4: It's one of the most genetically modified.
Speaker 7: Things that we have, and it's it's a damn shame
Speaker 7: because I love pasta, you know, and I love bread.
Speaker 4: I loves carbs.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a genetic like we've eaten bread for as
Speaker 2: long as human as you know, can record history. I
Speaker 2: think it's just part of who and the fact that
Speaker 2: they've taken it and genetically modified it is an adulteration
Speaker 2: and inversion of nature.
Speaker 4: It's an attack on us, Robbie, is what it is.
Speaker 7: Because the problem right well, and the problem is I've
Speaker 7: been looking into it a lot lately, is that, like
Speaker 7: Monsanto and stuff like this, they they have popularized the
Speaker 7: idea of spraying all wheat products with folic acid, which
Speaker 7: your body can't even digest most of the time. It
Speaker 7: causes horrible health issues fortified. If you see something on
Speaker 7: a label that says enriched wheat, fortified wheat, or folic acid,
Speaker 7: you need to stay the fuck away from it as
Speaker 7: far as you possibly can. The only type of wheat
Speaker 7: you should be eating should be organic wheat that's unfortified,
Speaker 7: not enriched, no folic acid.
Speaker 4: There is a form of.
Speaker 7: Fullic acid quote unquote that's not full of acid that
Speaker 7: your body can't absorb, but that's not what they're using.
Speaker 7: So it's just been weaponized against us so that it's
Speaker 7: basically poison, which which sucks, Like I said, because America
Speaker 7: is a nation that loves carbs, you.
Speaker 6: Know, it's interesting when you said so, like folic acid
Speaker 6: was incorporated into wheat because wheat was a staple, because
Speaker 6: so many of birth defects, and folic acid is folate,
Speaker 6: you know, which the B vitamin and most of your
Speaker 6: B vitamins are derived from animal products. But if you
Speaker 6: look at historical genetic lines and gen plice interject if
Speaker 6: I'm wrong. When you look at historical lines of wheat
Speaker 6: as well as corn, most of the ancient lines had
Speaker 6: a higher protein content than they do today. They were
Speaker 6: almost a complete meal or complete food with a higher
Speaker 6: amino acid profile than they do today. And through so
Speaker 6: many modifications, all of the nutrient content has been brought down.
Speaker 6: And that's also because of soil. The same type of
Speaker 6: things that we grow back in the day used to
Speaker 6: warm your house with wood and the ashes would go
Speaker 6: into the soil and then basically, you know, feed more
Speaker 6: of the microbiome of the soil and then you you
Speaker 6: know whatever. But if you do look at that, I
Speaker 6: wonder how much of it is. Maybe that it was
Speaker 6: a way to interject B vitamins, but maybe B vitamins
Speaker 6: were also not being how do you say they were
Speaker 6: stripped of wheat in its plant form to you know,
Speaker 6: I get the need for it, but I think what
Speaker 6: we've done is and Robbie, you do this perfectly on Twitter.
Speaker 6: It's the simulacra what wheat used to be.
Speaker 4: It's no longer. Weah like this fake weak shadows of.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, as the valuable thing that is, but it's
Speaker 2: not the shadow of its former self.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: But we're getting to wheat right in the beginning. The
Speaker 2: very first time it was genetically modified was they took
Speaker 2: and there was the same guy that genetically modified the
Speaker 2: ruby red grapefruit, right, but they used gamma radiation on
Speaker 2: the genome of wheat and basically bombarded it with radiation,
Speaker 2: these gamma rays, and they created a bush wheat that
Speaker 2: would grow faster and would bush out with bigger kernels.
Speaker 2: So here you're talking about getting rid of the pro
Speaker 2: the the profile of the essential you know, protein and
Speaker 2: the amino acids, and and basically they poofed it out
Speaker 2: super big so that they have to harvest it early
Speaker 2: before it's even done, otherwise it breaks off and they
Speaker 2: can't harvest.
Speaker 4: It with machines.
Speaker 2: But the guy that did that, he won a Nobel
Speaker 2: Peace Prize in food science for basically creating this this
Speaker 2: big bush gmo wheat. And that was in the fifties
Speaker 2: when that happened initially, and since then, you know, Monsanto's
Speaker 2: come in and with their cassettes injected NU genomes for
Speaker 2: the glycophade, so they have to spray everything with it
Speaker 2: so that it kills everything.
Speaker 7: But that I was gonna say that is like they've
Speaker 7: just taken it one step further, one step further.
Speaker 4: Now it's like an unrecognizable plant but frank and wheat, right.
Speaker 7: But think of it like if it was like manna
Speaker 7: from heaven, you know, like this, think of it if
Speaker 7: if it really was given to us by the gods
Speaker 7: quote unquote wheat, this thing that you can eat that
Speaker 7: has all the vitamins and protein and like whatever, it'll
Speaker 7: keep you alive. And they they've bastardized it to the
Speaker 7: form of wheat that we eat now. And it's like
Speaker 7: I said, I'm like a super label reader because I
Speaker 7: do enjoy some things that are absolutely for you, you know,
Speaker 7: like I'll throw in a stove fer SMC and cheese
Speaker 7: every now and again.
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have one myself. It's not too bad.
Speaker 4: Actually, dude, it's delicious, like solid delicious.
Speaker 3: Yeah good.
Speaker 1: I don't understand this conversation. I'm totally granola, but that's okay.
Speaker 9: Uh No.
Speaker 1: I did want to say something that Teresa was talking
Speaker 1: about in that which is really profound, which is like
Speaker 1: exactly what Robbie's saying, Like Robbie's making a great point
Speaker 1: about weed. And then obviously Lisa made an amazing point
Speaker 1: about how they stripped it of its nutrients content. Well,
Speaker 1: papaya they did the same because you cannot modern papayas.
Speaker 1: If you've ever eaten a papaya or anything papaya flavored
Speaker 1: that only comes out of the GMO industry, There is
Speaker 1: no papaya without GMO does not exist. Now, can you
Speaker 1: go to Mexico and find wild papias, Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's possible, but it's very rare, and they've cross bred
Speaker 1: a lot with the wild papaya population. Now, papias are
Speaker 1: really interesting because you can actually use them for LATEX,
Speaker 1: so the assex did make condoms out of them, so prophylactic.
Speaker 1: It's also interesting because in doctrine of signatures, a papaya
Speaker 1: is shaped like a womb, so there are actually a
Speaker 1: bortisiceafin qualities in the popping latex. So again it's showing
Speaker 1: like what Jili is saying, like it's manna from I
Speaker 1: personally don't like that. It's not that I just free
Speaker 1: with you, Julie, but I think that we come up
Speaker 1: with those things like we we say, oh, we see
Speaker 1: this thing in nature, we take of it, and we
Speaker 1: sort of you know, breed it, you could say, and
Speaker 1: then that's the divine process. It's like our interaction with
Speaker 1: that's how that's just personally my my how I think. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it comes from heaven.
Speaker 4: But so do you think yes?
Speaker 2: So Jim, do you think the genetic process of genetic
Speaker 2: modification is just part of the fractal that is a
Speaker 2: natural function of the evolution?
Speaker 1: No, because because the what isn't see As a gardener,
Speaker 1: I'm perfectly fine with hybridizing and perfectly fine during like
Speaker 1: land race species, like that's just normal plant horticulture. Right,
Speaker 1: You're you're making things that are going to survive, be
Speaker 1: really strong and last, especially for us like severe winters. Right,
Speaker 1: So it makes total sense. But there's a part where
Speaker 1: you're going into this inner or secret layer, right, right,
Speaker 1: like this thing that people can't see this, people that
Speaker 1: cannot really know you can't really know that fully because
Speaker 1: it's occulted in a way, right, And so I don't
Speaker 1: think that that is like a progressive thing. I think
Speaker 1: that's very luciferian. As someone who is like a little
Speaker 1: bit Luciferian myself, Like I'm just saying, I think it's
Speaker 1: too much. I think it's like you're trying to be
Speaker 1: something that is not possible for us.
Speaker 9: So for me, I.
Speaker 4: No, I'm sorry to interrupt you.
Speaker 5: It's interesting that like the two plants that they've bastardized
Speaker 5: the most is like.
Speaker 4: Very regenerative looking wheat and papaya.
Speaker 5: Like come on, and as somebody who's like yeah and
Speaker 5: corn right, and somebody who's done carnivore diet in the
Speaker 5: past and like removed all breads like from my life
Speaker 5: for a time, I don't like fully do it now,
Speaker 5: but like for a time I did. And I can
Speaker 5: say I think what happens to a lot of people
Speaker 5: is that they're auto immune issues disappear because they're actually
Speaker 5: allergic to glyfe estate not wheat, Like you're just removing
Speaker 5: like all these toxins.
Speaker 4: It's not that actually, like wheat is the problem.
Speaker 5: For you if you were to eat pure wheat. It's
Speaker 5: that all the additives and chemicals on the plants that
Speaker 5: we consume is the problem. And for some people, unfortunately,
Speaker 5: they're more sensitive to it than others.
Speaker 4: Yeah for sure, Yeah, you funny.
Speaker 1: No, I just want to say, vegetables actually do better
Speaker 1: without much. Like flowers need tons of composts, they need mulching,
Speaker 1: they need everything. Like you really have to tend flowers.
Speaker 1: Vegetables just need composts or which we call it or manure,
Speaker 1: and then you're good to go, like you're ready to rock.
Speaker 1: You don't need to spray them really with anything. If
Speaker 1: you know how to do it, you're fine pretty much.
Speaker 1: Maybe you'll lose a couple, but it's just that's interesting
Speaker 1: from what you're saying. True says like that you don't
Speaker 1: have to finesse vegetables that much. They're ready, they want
Speaker 1: to produce, they want to grow like willing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're just like you could eat me if you want.
Speaker 4: It's fine.
Speaker 6: What I was going to build upon what Jim was saying,
Speaker 6: and I promise this will be the last thing about
Speaker 6: ChEls is that GMO technology or how it came about
Speaker 6: is through the we borrow that the I guess process
Speaker 6: through virus technology. The way that viruses scan the DNA,
Speaker 6: they're looking for palindromes again, going back to the palindrome
Speaker 6: right when we watch the movie Arrival, how palindromes basically
Speaker 6: are modeling how time can exist, you know, all at
Speaker 6: the same time. So viruses scan the DNA sequence for
Speaker 6: palindromes and then it inserts point mutations, either takes away
Speaker 6: or insert its own or whatever. And so that I
Speaker 6: guess technology of how it works or how it behaves
Speaker 6: is exactly the basis of how we understood to do GMO.
Speaker 6: So we learned that from viruses. So when people say
Speaker 6: viruses aren't real, then where do we get the GMO
Speaker 6: technology from? Because that's that's that's how we that's how
Speaker 6: we developed GMO technology.
Speaker 4: And so I gotta that was the whole thing.
Speaker 7: Did you are you guys fans of the alien franchise,
Speaker 7: like Covenant Promethea, when they went and Alien Covenant to
Speaker 7: that new planet, like they were looking for wheat, they
Speaker 7: were looking for water, and they had manufactured like this
Speaker 7: virus that would shoot up out of the wheat and
Speaker 7: it would like go in your fucking ear and implant
Speaker 7: you with like whatever the thing is. But like that's
Speaker 7: the essentially what they're doing is they're taking like our
Speaker 7: basic life force of like wheat water there, and they're
Speaker 7: injecting it.
Speaker 4: With weird stuff.
Speaker 7: And I actually just watched this documentary and they said,
Speaker 7: if you eat pasta in Italy, you could go for
Speaker 7: like a fucking jog afterwards. Experience you don't feel bogged down,
Speaker 7: you don't feel sluggish, you don't feel tired.
Speaker 4: And it's because they don't fortify or enrich their wheat products.
Speaker 4: It's just wheat.
Speaker 7: So if you can get there is a brand, I
Speaker 7: get it sometimes at my local grocery store. But if
Speaker 7: you can get imported pastas from Italy, they are way
Speaker 7: the fuck better for you than getting like Berea or
Speaker 7: whatever that fucking brand is that.
Speaker 4: They have at Walmart. Like, try to stay away from
Speaker 4: that shit.
Speaker 7: But I am only saying this because I love spaghetti, Like,
Speaker 7: please do not fuck with my carbs, like I love carbs,
Speaker 7: don't fuck with my carbs. There are brands you can
Speaker 7: get that are not fortified or enriched, that are organic
Speaker 7: imported from Italy.
Speaker 4: And it does make a difference just.
Speaker 3: Saying I say for sure. When I was there, I mean,
Speaker 3: all again, obviously you're in Italy. There was a lot
Speaker 3: of pasta and I was like, oh, man, like I
Speaker 3: don't want to be you know, I'm on vacation be
Speaker 3: dragged down at all. And you know I heard the
Speaker 3: same thing that you had said and I experienced it.
Speaker 3: I mean I would eat a big plate, you know,
Speaker 3: I'd have lasagna for lunch and I was on the
Speaker 3: go still, you know, walking around Rome like I feel full,
Speaker 3: but I'm that fucking stuff.
Speaker 4: You'll lose weight there? It was all No, I'm.
Speaker 3: Almost positive I did.
Speaker 5: For the ten days much carbs and still be fine.
Speaker 4: Do you think that has to do with the beer
Speaker 4: as well? In America? Oh but this is so many things, guys,
Speaker 4: A whole other episode.
Speaker 2: Right. Germany has purity laws and you know, whereas in
Speaker 2: America it's like food science.
Speaker 1: You know, when when Nick brought on the NNGE guy,
Speaker 1: he was talking and Lisa was on I can't I
Speaker 1: can't remember girls was on. I know it was Nick
Speaker 1: and Lisa for sure, shoes, Yeah, he we were. He
Speaker 1: was talking about something like plants that contain a specific substance.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, so I totally forgot now, but I remember
Speaker 1: thinking myself the substance he's talking about hops also.
Speaker 4: Contains Oh is it the cannabinoids? Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: thank you so much. I'm so sorry. Yeah, hops is
Speaker 4: in the cannabinoid family for sure. Yes, yes, yep.
Speaker 1: And so it's really interesting that they would obviously if
Speaker 1: you tamper with the wheat. And it's not just it's
Speaker 1: not just like beer, it's also soy sauce. I guess
Speaker 1: someone who doesn't eat any gluten, I know that you
Speaker 1: have to carry your tomorrow with you basically if you're
Speaker 1: gonna eat anything.
Speaker 6: One of those people that tapped into the whole phytoestrogen
Speaker 6: thing because of soy and cads.
Speaker 2: Yes, Japan, Yes, they also trying to reclaim aluminum out
Speaker 2: of the ground. They can come out of the soy
Speaker 2: can come out of the ground with upwards of twenty
Speaker 2: two percent aluminum with and it's makeup. That's why you
Speaker 2: have to ferment it. That's why the fermentation process of
Speaker 2: soy is so essential.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point, Robbie.
Speaker 4: With my g I man, but you have to eat, yeah,
Speaker 4: you can't eat it like a mom they or yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah you used to as off.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, you have to eat it.
Speaker 1: You have to process. It has to be a secondary
Speaker 1: process because tofu is just the pressing, the cold pressing
Speaker 1: right of the beans. My grandparents used.
Speaker 9: To make it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so basically you have to you have to cook it.
Speaker 1: Plus I don't like you don't have to cook it,
Speaker 1: but you have to apply some kind of fermentation or
Speaker 1: or or you eat it with like dropping these people
Speaker 1: eat it with tons of picks ginger, So that's obviously
Speaker 1: gonna have like a carmentative effect.
Speaker 5: Ferments exactly.
Speaker 4: So that's why I love. It's delicious. To me, I
Speaker 4: love it. I feel like probiotics do the body good.
Speaker 3: I haven't had that.
Speaker 4: It's good stuff. Do you like vinegar, well, you like
Speaker 4: like apple cider vinegar or anything like that.
Speaker 7: Yes.
Speaker 2: So when when Lazarus was raised from the dead, they
Speaker 2: gave him a sponge with a vinegar drink, and from
Speaker 2: the research I've done, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's kombacha.
Speaker 4: It has to be right because it's like the fermented vinegar.
Speaker 6: Yeah, h wasn't that what they gave Jesus on the cross?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, roll or something like that I think
Speaker 7: is what they called it. But yeah, it was, but
Speaker 7: it was a healing kind of a healing drink.
Speaker 3: Drink.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: See if Jesus drank kimbcha, everything should be able to
Speaker 7: get on boord with it.
Speaker 1: There's something interesting, Julia is that fermented food is actually
Speaker 1: considered mosic food, meaning like almost sinful food, because it
Speaker 1: actually brings you down to earth. It's not sinful per se,
Speaker 1: but that's one interpretation of Thomas.
Speaker 3: It can.
Speaker 1: It weighs you down. It makes you weightier. That's more
Speaker 1: of a earthier Yeah, earthier. That's a perfect though.
Speaker 4: It makes you more.
Speaker 7: I'm from the South, so pickled pigs, feet, pickled eggs, pickles,
Speaker 7: anything fermented, I'm getting down with that.
Speaker 9: She I don't know.
Speaker 5: My Instagram feet is a little middle aged women touting
Speaker 5: the benefits of fermented food to mimical.
Speaker 4: All in moderation, right, yeah for sure, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I agree. I agree. Look what you've done today, Look
Speaker 4: at this.
Speaker 3: Does That was awesome, Thank you very much, Robbie. Really
Speaker 3: everybody else that.
Speaker 2: Was enjoyed the group of everybody chiming in and all
Speaker 2: the different perspectives a modern day gymnasium of.
Speaker 3: H thank you. Uh before we let you plug your
Speaker 3: stuff again, we'll have Teresa. Would you like to say
Speaker 3: anything as we wrap this up? You want to plug
Speaker 3: your show? I know you haven't done much recently, but.
Speaker 5: I've been busy doing the Silly Pops and stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I do have the Spiritual Gangsters. If people want to
Speaker 5: go listen to old episodes, there's they're.
Speaker 4: Still getting listened, so like that's cool.
Speaker 5: Thanks for checking it out, and yeah, please check out
Speaker 5: Silly Pops on my Instagram and website whatever.
Speaker 4: They can always DM me about it. And yeah, thank
Speaker 4: you so much.
Speaker 7: Robbie.
Speaker 2: It was like a blast is always so always I
Speaker 2: enjoy hanging out for sure.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Gardinal, and thank you to the whole group.
Speaker 1: It was amazing, like a really fun roundtable, like a
Speaker 1: really great way to sort of like before Robbie goes
Speaker 1: on tour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really fun way to end, Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: you can see my bag right there.
Speaker 4: It's Pat Hilarium. I'm out the door in three days.
Speaker 3: So I was trying to get a date from him
Speaker 3: in July and he's like, I do, I could be
Speaker 3: home tooke.
Speaker 2: A like fum almost September, so yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I will take the opportunity to plug at this end
Speaker 1: juncture and say that, Yeah, you can definitely listen to
Speaker 1: my throat show. Threshold Saints Alex Roberta will be my
Speaker 1: next episode drop and it actually turned out really well,
Speaker 1: I you know, so I'm I'm really proud of it,
Speaker 1: and there will be a part two to that and
Speaker 1: then obviously welcome to Hapaboria. So it's this like the
Speaker 1: Gonzo Gnostics series that I've been working on on on
Speaker 1: X and we do live and we talked about Cocola
Speaker 1: and Tontra and speculative narcissism and metafiction. So we're on
Speaker 1: either Wave part one, so that'll be a three part
Speaker 1: mini series within a series. So I'm doing it very
Speaker 1: Cabala's very like, uh you know, like how I like,
Speaker 1: I'm taking a cue from Nick. So definitely checked out
Speaker 1: if you're interested. Live every Friday night on X and
Speaker 1: uh right before before JJS show, before JJ and Nick
Speaker 1: do Friday, so don't worry about that. But yeah, you
Speaker 1: can watch us and then jump on with them. So
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Chyt, thank you.
Speaker 3: I was I was gonna plug anyway. For people who
Speaker 3: are who do do that, I do highly suggest to
Speaker 3: go check out his spaces. I've jumped in there numerous
Speaker 3: times a few times, and I'll listen to it like
Speaker 3: why I'm editing or doing stuff, and they get into
Speaker 3: some pretty deep topics. So I definitely suggest to go
Speaker 3: check it out. I think it's very well. So thank
Speaker 3: you Jan, thank you Bos of course. Uh, Julia, would
Speaker 3: you like to, uh, you know, let everybody know where
Speaker 3: they can find you amazingly?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, So I'm obviously Cosmic Peach podcast wherever you
Speaker 7: listen to podcasts. I'm just gonna go ahead and throw
Speaker 7: my email out right now because I always say.
Speaker 4: Email me, email me.
Speaker 7: My email is ghost dot Peach at outlook dot com.
Speaker 7: If you want to work with me, please hit me
Speaker 7: up at that email. I'm working on a sleep paralysis
Speaker 7: mini series and I actually have another topic that I
Speaker 7: kind of want to bring on the Occult Rejects when
Speaker 7: it's ready. I just got to finish the presentation about
Speaker 7: a fucking whack ass serial killer I never heard of
Speaker 7: before that has links to all the fucking three Letters,
Speaker 7: and I mean it is just batshit crazy. But anyways,
Speaker 7: working on a lot of fun stuff for Cosmic Peach podcasts.
Speaker 7: If you want to work with me, gost dot Peach
Speaker 7: at outlook dot com. Thanks for having me, Robbie, You're awesome, Teresa,
Speaker 7: love you, Jen always insightful, Lisa gorgeous, smart, Wish I
Speaker 7: was more like you.
Speaker 3: Yes, no, Julia, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. And for the you know, the listeners,
Speaker 3: go I go check out the series that she's doing.
Speaker 3: You know, uh, you know, we we covered sleep paralysis. Uh,
Speaker 3: it did very well. People seem to really like it.
Speaker 3: So I suggest those people to go check out this
Speaker 3: series that she's putting out. You know, it's going to
Speaker 3: be a banger, she's covering it. Thank you so much, Julia,
Speaker 3: and then Lisa, your cult rejected man scientist, what is
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, so much for having me this
Speaker 6: late morning. For me, so it was like brunch and
Speaker 6: having my coffee. Cult research occult rejects, And this honestly
Speaker 6: genuinely felt like we were around the table, Robbie, and
Speaker 6: we were and you were telling us a story and
Speaker 6: we're all listening and chiming in, and it definitely it
Speaker 6: didn't feel like we were separated geographically at all, So
Speaker 6: I genuinely thank you for the invitation, Jen, Teresa, Julia,
Speaker 6: Robbie Nick. This was an amazing discussion and I'm very
Speaker 6: grateful to have been a part of it. Thank you
Speaker 6: so much. And the only thing I want to plug
Speaker 6: is a cult research institute dot org checks out.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Lisa. I appreciate you coming on
Speaker 3: and always you know put and what you got to say. Uh, Robbie,
Speaker 3: please let everybody know where they could find all your
Speaker 3: amazing stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to thank everybody for showing up.
Speaker 2: I was a little anxious at first when I saw
Speaker 2: how many people might be here, but I think it
Speaker 2: like flowed so well and just getting you know, everybody,
Speaker 2: you know, got you guys all know what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: and it's just great coming together and the meeting of
Speaker 2: minds and kind of seeing how it all kind of
Speaker 2: just blossoms and blooms. But yeah, I'm our Marx or
Speaker 2: Robbie Marx. If you want to check out my other stuff,
Speaker 2: I have my website, my Etsy, my podcast, my Patreon,
Speaker 2: all my social media. You can go and find me
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Speaker 2: A r X and that'll pull up everything. So yeah,
Speaker 2: thanks Nick, Oh, thank you Bro.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate your work. You help me keep up.
Speaker 3: You helped me keep putting out work I can be
Speaker 3: proud of. So thank you. So nice again, all of you.
Speaker 3: It was an amazing chat I again. We talked about
Speaker 3: so many things and I really loved it. That's what
Speaker 3: I hope to see all the people do, is what
Speaker 3: we do here, you know, just amazing stuff. We made
Speaker 3: magic today, So in the next one, until the next one,
Speaker 3: everybody be well later.