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Speaker 3: Me is Mike Minati.
Speaker 2: In today's episode, what's going on at Bungee and the
future of Destiny.
Speaker 1: But first, Mike, thank you so much for joining me.
How are you doing?
Speaker 3: H Yeah, I'm good. I'm excited to hang out with
you and Dan this weekend. I'm starting tomorrow. It'll be fun.
We'll have some drinks. I'll tell you what. Like, I'm
excited for summers.
Speaker 1: Liam.
Speaker 3: I'm almost like ancient at the idea of an eight
hour show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know right, We're gonna have to like it's
Brown Stadium. I've never been there. I will have to
like maybe sco out some places to get drinks and
food and maybe sit somewhere else just for a little bit.
Speaker 3: I've been there a while.
Speaker 2: Let's just go break down the door of the press
area and go in there with Dan and force them
in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's right next to the Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame. We can just go do that and not go,
but we won't be able to go back in. Oh god,
damn it, jem look preferable to certain other beverages today
at least.
Speaker 1: It's not even good exactly.
Speaker 3: I can believe you just stood there during voicemail dump
trup today while all this pro liquid.
Speaker 2: Deft probably yell and the wind is blowing and I'm
gonna blow with it all right, I uh god, what
choice do I have? Like yeah, like me loves Yeah.
Speaker 1: I said, no one was yelling at me, so I'm
not gonna let everyone yell at me. I'll just yet
you don't get you don't get hit by bullets. It's
what they call him. Me all just slides right off.
That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have to talk about that here as well.
Uh yeah, how's it going? Like I'm looking forward tomorrow
as well. You know, honestly, you kind of can't get
here too early tomorrow because we're gonna like I'm taking
tomorrow off, So I'm just gonna go.
Speaker 3: To get off so you know, I'll wake up when
I wake up.
Speaker 2: Which I like, No, I know that's what I'm saying.
I know That's why I was saying, like get here
first thing in the morning. I know that's not on
the table.
Speaker 3: I'll probably be there like two or three as much. Yes,
totally go to the flats or the West or West
Side or something fun.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I'm looking forward to hanging out. It's gonna
be a good time. I am a little like annoy.
It's like, man, it's a busy weekend and I really
did want to spend some time trying to like cut
down times on my Super Mario Brothers run in a
Nintendo World Championship, try to get it under under that
six minute.
Speaker 3: Like all hang out and have our switches out and
kind of just play that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just we got plans all night Friday night
and then the Saturday. The show's gonna go on forever on side,
but either way, I mean off Sunday. I think it
might like there will be a bit. I think I
might take the kids of the beach on Sunday after
making them put up with Dan Reikert being around all
the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta do something for him. You gotta do something,
make it up for him. Yeah, I don't know. Let's
what do you say? We just get into this show.
I'll get the show on the road.
Speaker 3: There's some things to talk about today, huh.
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Speaker 1: All right, Ready to get into it, Mike, I am ready, sir.
Let's recap.
Speaker 2: There was another round of Bungee layoffs, seventeen percent of
the studio. This is after the round of layoffs in October,
you know, not even a year ago.
Speaker 1: This is something that's been in the works.
Speaker 2: Even though the Final Shape came out and performed well critically,
it did about the same in terms of player numbers
as the Lightfall, but it took four more months than Lightfall,
so it costs a lot more money to make and
to spend that much more money and see the exact
same return. Clearly, it broke, and really it was breaking
even before that. There was kind of no numbers they
could do with the Final Shape to avoid this scenario.
It seemed like, so a lot of people laid off.
To two hundred and twenty people cut from the company.
Another at one hundred and fifty are leaving Bunchie and
joining Sie. They are being like shifted around and speaking
of shifting around Bungie going forward. Starting now, the process
is beginning to basically remove their autonomy. They will no
longer operate as an independent studio under Sony. They will
be like any other PlayStation worldwide studio under Sony interactive Entertainment,
with hermann Holst overseeing the studio like he does the
rest of Sony studios.
Speaker 1: Those are the basics.
Speaker 2: There's some other stuff involving, Hey, what's going on with
these games? What's going on with some of the key leadership.
Pete Parsons, for example, what's going on with him? He's
still there and many people aren't happy with that. There's
been an outcry from many developers, many of the people
that formerly worked there. People caught up in the round
of layoffs last time saying hey, Pete, you should step down.
That's not happened yet, and and people could keep asking
for it. Although it does seem like this situation was
due to his architecting.
Speaker 1: He was making bigger promises to Sony.
Speaker 2: It seemed like then he could keep, then he could
have the studio keep to get more money from the acquisition.
And now those chickens have come home to roost, and
here we are.
Speaker 3: I mean, don't forget Jeff PlayStation bought or Sony rather
bought Bungee for billions of dollars, right, yes, billions. They
were not paying for just Destiny too. Now, you know,
some of that was obviously Marathon, but there were a
lot of things promised, and some of that was his
idea that they were going to help out and manage
maybe all of Sony's live service games. You know, in
that letter he Parsons talks about, oh, we you know,
had this strategy, like we had so many things starting up,
had so many things cooking basically, and it sounds just
kind of absolutely wild. And sure, some of it is
just bad timing, right that a lot of this kind
of was in the middle of development when we're in
this big downturn. But that that's why it was always
a big risk. Downturns can happen. So why were we
just growing this studio at this exponential rate, especially at
a time when like you know, yeah, Destiny two was
doing good, but there always had to be some concerns
or some metrics to the show. Well, we can't keep
this up forever. Of course, Destiny has always had something
of a new player problem. When it's not just we're
we're launching a new number game. And they say for
a long time that at Destiny three wasn't gonna happen
anytime soon, and apparently Destiny three isn't even really in
the works. There was something else but the fact that
they had all these other plates spinning and one of
them hasn't been at Destiny three, which is the one
thing that seems like it really would bring in a
lot of new players. I have no idea what the
strategy was. It seems bad and it seems like other
people are paying for it, not Parsons.
Speaker 2: Yes, we could talk about what the strategy is going
to be. Let's let's let's do that a little bit.
I guess in order to do that you kind of
need to know what it was going to be. Maybe
they were working on this thing that you alluded to,
this other project called Payback that was being overseen by
Luke Smith and Mark Noseworthy. They were like basically like
VP of Production, Mark Noseworthy and then executive creative director,
but both of them they were labeled as working on Payback,
this new thing that was going to be the new
Destiny experience, the next big thing for Destiny, but specifically
not Destiny three. Now, I'll be I'll be clear that
I don't know what makes it not Destiny three. That
stuff has been very sensitive for some reason. I don't
know what makes it not Destiny three. But Luke Smith
is not going to go work on something that's just nothing.
He's working on the next big Destiny thing. Now, Luke
Smith and Martino is Worthy are no longer at Bungie.
They were let go. They were caught up in these
the let's see what how did Pete Parsons put it?
It was the executive Yeah, the executive and senior leadership
shake up that was mentioned in the blog post. Those
are some of the executives in leadership that he was
talking about. They no longer are at Bungee. Payback is
on the shelf. And the strategy now is let's take
destiny too, and we're going to make smaller experience packs, smaller,
tinier little things that are six months instead of the
annual expansion packs they've done before. There'll be two smaller
experience packs going forward. And the whole idea is and
like your like ears a ring when you hear that,
like that doesn't sound great. The idea is, let's spin
less to make less so that we can have a
Destiny too that costs less and then maybe it'll make
enough money to make more sense going forward. In the meantime,
we keep working on marriag and Frontiers. Is like that
the name for like the current strategy of like shifting
to this two a year experience pack thing. They're gonna
do Frontiers and they're gonna do Marathon, and then if
both of those things hit, If both of those things
work out, they will then revisit what the future of
destiny will be at that point. So the future of
destiny is basically on hold. It is destiny too for now.
Definitely no Destiny three. There was never a Destiny three
in the works. Some new destiny experience was that was
called Payback.
Speaker 1: That is on the shelf. That is not happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like they have a very narrow path
to walk and they're doing it without some of the
people that made it possible in the first place.
Speaker 1: But they still got Pete Parsons, So yay.
Speaker 3: Luke Smiths gone yes man, Uh okay. So that's wild.
So much of this is just shocking up pay real quick.
People are gonna like this.
Speaker 2: This comes from the same source that told me about
the layoffs before they were announced.
Speaker 1: So that's how I'm certain about this, right And so.
Speaker 3: Okay, I've seen some maybe different ideas out there about
when Payback was put on the show if I don't know,
if you like have anything about the timeline of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was developed, It was in development for a
little bit over a year, and then it was canceled
in mid June. There was another project that was a
spinof called I want to say Sunspot or something like that, Sunspot,
I believe, and that was something different that was canceled
back in like twenty twenty three or something like that.
That was something different, So that hasn't been going concern
for a while. This one, though, was the active big thing.
Like again, Luke Smith is not going to go work
on some bullshit. He was going to work on the
next thing for Destiny. And that's clearly how they were
positioning this. Whether that was whether it was it wasn't,
but whether it was or not, it was the next
big thing for Destiny.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, we could speculate what that means.
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I don't want to go guessing
over there. Gosh, it seems like they're going to have
such a hard time getting Destiny fans who are obviously
feeling like crap right now, and who now know that
the game is not going to get the level investment
that it once did. I mean, how are you possibly
going to get them excited about having less? Like I guess,
you have to make the quality of it really good,
but you don't have as many people there to work
on it. You don't have a lot of the same people.
I just have a hard time believing that Destiny two
has some bright future ahead of it and there's no
Destiny three or anything else coming to kind of save
the day there. It feels like the strategy is kind
of hold on until Marathon and hope that's a major hit.
Speaker 2: And that's what I've also heard is that expectations for
Marathon that is supposed to come out next year are
sky high.
Speaker 1: They are sky high for Marathon, it really does have
to hit now, you know.
Speaker 2: For Destiny, it's these experience packs, again different than expansion packs,
smaller to a year. They will have, you know, there
will be content, there will be cut scenes, stuff like that,
but the I guess I do fans call it tutorial
campaigns or something like that, the tutorial experience that like
introduces you in there, that feels like this big single player.
Speaker 1: There's always kind of a single player campaign that yeah,
not anymore ye.
Speaker 4: Quote unquote, and you liked that campaign, Nicolon, whatever.
Speaker 2: You write, So they're not gonna be that likely won't
be a part of the experience packs going forward. But
there will still be raids. They gotta have raids. They
will still have raids. So yeah, I mean, yeah, there
is a lot riding on uh, being able to sort
of get over this hump with Destiny, get people to
feel fine about the new state of that game. And
then really a lot is writing on Marathon, and of
course they can try to reset things at that point,
but that is that's a difficult path to walk.
Speaker 3: Can I ask why, I don't know, if you know this,
why are they so confident in Marathon? I mean, it's
a new project. I I guess that alone is exciting.
I'm out of the extraction shooter loop. It's never really
been my thing. But I don't know of any big
successes in that genre outside of Tarkoff. I'm sure there's
a couple more like, what is it about Marathon that
is going to be so mind shattering? I mean, you know,
just the fact that it is Bungeee's like other new
thing since Destiny, and before that it was Halo, So
they don't do new things too often, I guess. But
still this it comes out and now isn't a hit.
Oh no, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: It's it is a bad position for them to be
in and it is uh and again they are here
because of this, like the setup, the foundation that that
Pete parsonilt built with Sony when the deal was going through.
It is you need to be able to do this
and this and this, and you need to deliver on
all this stuff. And of course there's the stuff with
the mobile game, the mobile mobile, the other game that
is getting spun off onto its own team going forward. Yeah,
I'm sure that is something else as well. But yeah,
there's just not a lot of room for air here.
Everything has to work out as good as possible. And
we just know from the beginning of the story of
Destiny is live service games are messy, and you figure
them out. You build the plane once you're in the air,
and you lay the track in front of you when
you're on the train and all those metaphors. They are
gonna have to still do that because that's how these
games work, and so they are the likelihood of this
working out and in things kind of being the way
people want for a Bunchie in the future seems very slim,
which is just honestly, it just feels that the story's
not over for bad news with Bungie.
Speaker 3: Desinitely always had sort of an interesting problem where it's
its whole kind of gimmick because like, hey, we're an MMO. Oh,
it's very high end. It looks as fancy as like
whatever you imagine the newest Halo looks, and it's just
hard to make that on the cheap, right. That's always
sort of the problem. Like you can have big returns
with Destiny, but you have to have big investment in
it at all times. You know, you look at a
World or Warcraft, right, and you know you can see
how you can dump a lot of money in that
game and it makes a ton of money. Back, of course,
it's just not as hard to make a cut scene
in a World Warcraft or even a Final Fantasy fourteen
compared to a Destiny. I just don't know what that
looks like when it's smaller. I just don't understand how
anybody a bungee is feeling good right now, and the
fans obviously aren't feeling good. I don't know what the
turnaround here is now. Great that we've been in these
situations before. People, you know, there's a point where we
wrote off all of Blizzard though nobody would ever feel
good about that whole studio, that whole place again, and
that has mostly turned around now, So you know, it
sucks on like to turn around when there's so many
people who work there that are the victims of this,
the people that really do make up I'm just worried
about the tools that they have and the ability that
they have to to deliver. Here again, Marathon sounds like
the one thing that should just come out as we
always expected it to. So whatever the vision there was,
we should see it. And it seems like they have
faith in that. So baby Marathon will come out, really
save the day, bring in a lot of money. That
money could be invested into a Destiny three or whatever.
But this is all still pretty shocking and pretty distressing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know internally when they're when they're like
looking around and say, hey, how are things going. It
seemed like most people at Bungee weren't quite aware of
just how bad things were. And then and then people
that knew knew that, like, hey, all those promises that
we did make, the sony that we said, all the
milestones we said we would hit, basically every single one missed.
They missed on everything across the board. So I don't
know how you blame anyone but Pete Parsons the architect.
Speaker 1: Of that deal.
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, and he got his he got paid,
he got you know, likely hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. He got lots of it
off of false promises, apparent, and enough.
Speaker 2: Money to be able to afford a fleet of classic
cars that everyone keeps pointing to. And yeah, criticize him
for that. That seems completely fair to me. Yeah, I
I don't know. It feels like the ten years of
destiny happened. And I think a lot of fans are
going to look at this moment and look be like
this is a dead game. Now, They're going to move on,
And I don't I kind of don't blame them. What
do you tell fans like that? Like, hey, yeah, just
stick stick with it. Maybe on the other side of
this things bounce back. I'm not going to be the
one that told him that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, like the one thing that's sort of
missing is, you know, when when everybody was mad at
World of Warcraft there was a Final Fantasy fourteen. There
there are some things that are like Destiny too. There
are a lot of things that are exactly like it.
There's Warframe. Maybe people can go over to that, and
that's again it seems beginning, you know, still a pretty
good amount of investment. Things like ten o'conn happen, at
least as an outside seems like people are happy with that.
But it's different from Destiny too. It's not exactly the
same thing. And there are people who just really like
Destiny and it might be hard for them. Oh yeah,
of course, but it's still the problem. I mean, you know,
and I we talked about this forever, right. I love
Destiny too when it came out. It's just a point
where once I'm done, it's hard to get back in.
And I think we saw that.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: That's the weird thing too, with the final shape, with
how good everybody said it was, and how happy it
didn't make those hardcore Destiny two fans. It just seemed
like it didn't really get people to come back, and
at a certain point, nothing can make them come back
except for that Destiny three, which is something that just
you know isn't happening. And for a while they specifically
say we're not. No, it's Destiny too now and forever,
like why I wouldn't it be? And you know, there
are some obvious reasons why it wouldn't be, because eventually
you kind of build up that wall and it kind
of becomes up to so it becomes difficult for people
to break through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and and like if I'm someone who's
on the outside as I am right now, like most
people like you, someone you know, I spent some time
with Destiny Too.
Speaker 1: Enjoyed myself definitely.
Speaker 2: You know, Christian is a huge Destiny two family talks
about a lot, and I'm always like, I will wait
for what feels like the right onboarding moment, and now
it feels like that's clearly not really going to be
coming anytime soon. So yeah, it is in a rough position.
You remember when Sony made the deal and they spend
a billion dollars on retaining employees, Like just a billion,
one billion dollars of that deal was specifically earmarked to
retain Bungee employees.
Speaker 3: And right, what happened here, because it seems like Bungie
was such an important crown jewel. Like I said, they
spent billions of dollars on that studio, and they were
supposed to be so much more than just Destiny, and
see like everything was going well and then man, we
were at this absolute it feels like rock bottom moment
for this company that has been through so many weird times. First,
you know, being the Halo team and leaving Microsoft so
they can do their own thing and getting swept up
with Activation, getting their freedom to then make this deal
with Sony that seemed like incredible and highly lucrative. So
they made money from that deal and now here they
are again. Yeah, thank you, Brad. Three point seven billion
dollars for Bungee, And I imagine that's why there was
so much scrutiny on them from Sony. Right, that was
a very expensive deal, and I have to think that
they think they overpaid immensely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, clearly a lot of that was based
on inflated promises and a lot of these things just
kind of working out and being the best case scenario
to recap for people just just tuning in for the
future outlook of Bungie, the people at Bungie and Destiny,
the you know, the best case scenario is Frontiers, this
new version of Destiny two that's going to have two
experience packs for her that are smaller and don't have
a lot of the content you're used to. If that
works out and then Marathon also sells very well, they
will then revisit the future of Destiny at that point,
maybe do a Destiny three may or maybe do something
similar to what this payback thing was going to be again,
this new Destiny exit experience.
Speaker 1: And then if one of.
Speaker 2: Those ifs falls out, if one of them misses, or
you know, will all of them miss possibly the Bunchie
is in a much worse situation. They are in a dire,
dire straits at that point, and who knows what that
looks like. I don't so yes, it's uh, it kind
of feels like rock bottom for this game.
Speaker 1: The community and.
Speaker 2: Obviously the people who were all just laid off for
working on this game and really kind of killing themselves
to get out in a big swan song for a
game that people have been playing for ten years and
it is the thing that they wanted. They did do
the thing everyone said, please just do this, make the game,
could give it the send off it deserves.
Speaker 1: They did, and here we are. It is just kind
of flabbergasting.
Speaker 3: Again, Like it's like this is the send offense? Like
was the plan after that?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: I I don't know. I don't know. Like now I'm
curious what in again? We don't know, Like what was
it about payload or payback?
Speaker 4: It's give me that.
Speaker 3: Why was that shelve then? Because there should have been
something ready to go? Oh if we were nearing the
end of destiny too, Like how how rough was that looking?
Like I don't know, it's just stressing And I'm like,
why are so many Why are some of these projects
that almost seem like necessary? And I get sometimes things
that work out, but it makes me think about the
last of us factions, right, like, oh we canceled that,
Like well, some form of that maybe should have come out, and.
Speaker 2: Maybe should, but I bet there was a part of
like when Bungie was like came, there's the story is
Bunchie came and look at that thing, was like, you can't,
you can't do this, this is you're not gonna be
able to support this. I bet there was like you know,
almost PTSD of like looking at it and be like,
in two years, the amount of money it's going to
cost to maintain this thing and continue making new content
for a team like Naughty Dog, it's gonna be so astronomical.
And you do want to know how we know we're
living that right now? Yeah, it's so I kind of
see that. That's almost certainly what happened there, and that's
the story I've heard from that as well.
Speaker 3: It's great to identify problems, right, my boy. We need
some solutions here soon. Everybody.
Speaker 4: Everybody, everybody knows that the Destiny player loves when they
take away content from them. That's a yeah, that's a primary.
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, I mean that's why, right, that's why
these ifs are like so so strong, because we know
that the being able to thread the needle of putting
out just switching to these experience packs from expansion packs
and kind of saying, hey, pay us for these things
that are not what you're used to getting. They're not
going to be able to pull that off with this audience.
I mean, you know, I know there's a lot of
destiny people watching.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys know how you are like a lot.
Let's be real here. I mean it's gonna be rough.
Speaker 3: It's rough for any mmo. Yeah, like only having two
major content releases a year. It's just it's just uh,
it's just not a lot. It's just not a lot
to keep people engaged constantly.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 2: Yep, that was the big story I wanted to talk
about from this week. There was one thing nintended dropped,
and then we'll go to the super chats. I bet
we have some super chats.
Speaker 1: That's about this, Mike, What was the the Nintendo Online
game attera.
Speaker 3: Before we went online, Nintendo said that on Audius ninth,
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Red Rescue Team is coming to NSO
Expansion Pass. So this is the Mystery dungeonast is, you know,
the roguelike. There was originally two of these. There's basically
a DS version of a GBA version, so obviously we
only have the GBA version here. It's neat. It's a
little weird because a remake of this game did already
come out and switch in twenty twenty, but you know, hey,
I don't know if that remakes substantially better. And this
one will be part of your subscription here. And it's
also a Pokemon something something. We've had, you know, some
of those on the serve before. We have like Pokemon's Stadium, right,
but we haven't had any mainline Pokemon games. This is
closer to that than say the Stadium is at least,
so it's interesting. It's weird too. It's just the one
game that they've been in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I kind of was hoping if they were going to
do this, if they were going to sort of break
the Pokemon seal a little bit more, it would have
been like, yeah, here's all the weird Pokemon games, or
five weird Pokemon games.
Speaker 1: Like Pokemon pinball like pinball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think the Training Card Game
is that on the Game Boy one right now?
Speaker 3: Well, I was just actually thinking that, as I said,
as I was saying, or some Pokemon games, I forget,
I think that Training Card Game actually might be on
the thing. I might be making it up.
Speaker 1: I hope it is.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: If someone's asking what my Coole at time is I
think it's like ten point zero eight or something like that.
Speaker 1: I might have got it a little bit lower than that.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty close to the world record, pretty close, but
not there. Yeah, the card game is already on Nisode.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So okay, so they got that. So yeah,
maybe there weren't quite as many of the ones that
I would have been super excited for. But yeah, I
kind was hoping for a little bit more. But I've
never played this. I would probably play the remake still
if I was going to, But I don't know. This
is cool whatever. I'm just glad that more Pokemon games are.
Speaker 1: On the table for potentially coming to Nintendo Switch Online.
Speaker 3: All right, I just what's the more third party game?
Blay advanced games. There aren't a ton of those on
the service yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like Nintendo's maybe lost their appetite for
that a little bit, and I wonder if it's sort
of if they reinvigorate that when they have a switch
to to justify maybe spend a little bit more money
to get people excited about that.
Speaker 3: Again, now that I look at it, I don't think
there's a single third party game on the game Boy
Advance Library, there's not you know, all the other ones
have some of those, at least some of them have
more than others. That's kind of wild that they're just
all straight up Nintendo stuff for Game Boy Advance, right,
I mean, is there on the.
Speaker 1: N sixty four? Is there because they okay, right, except.
Speaker 3: These wrecking balls. How dare you e race?
Speaker 1: Excuse me? You're wrecking.
Speaker 3: More than Gameboy bands capital that I much more associate
with weird third party games to.
Speaker 2: Be absolutely all right, What we're gonna do now is
we're gonna take a quick break. When we come back,
we will talk about the super chats that people have
right after this and we're back, Mike, you have a
list of super chats in front of you from the
good people in the YouTube chat.
Speaker 1: Why don't you go ahead and hit us with some
of those?
Speaker 3: Sure thing? Boss Big Fresh thirty seven here says, obviously
the bunge of employers are the real victims here, but
it sure does suck that I feel I after eight years,
I gotta find a new home game. Yeah, it's kind
of what I mentioned before. There's not just a lot
of things that are exactly like Destiny too. Sadly Anthem
did not work out right, and I think I scared
a lot of people off the genre. And then like
there's things that like we're maybe half hearted attempts at it,
like Avengers and Suicide Squad, and we saw how that
worked out too. I mean, this wal genre is gonna
be in a rough slot.
Speaker 4: They hunt new thing is the First Descendant, Like I
see a lot of Destiny players moving to that game,
but I don't know how it's how much is gonna
last done?
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I think I was just talking about the
First Descendant in a meeting earlier this week, or this
could have been on content I can't remember, but I
was checking Steam database and it has still one hundred
thousand like active users month, daily active users or concurrence
on Steam or something like that. But you could see
also the last like thirty days and all the games
around it are like maintaining like the same number of
players each day. And the First Ascendant obviously still early on,
it's going to probably be losing players, but it is
it's like kind of quickly declining. So I wonder if
it's going to be able to keep people around. Obviously
that's an open.
Speaker 4: Question, yeah, Dan is very grinding, so eventually the people
that gets tired of the grinding is gonna leave. And
the only people that's gonna get stayed there is like
the crazy ones. They're gonna like play four hours and
hours to get like one character.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I've feeling a lot of the
uh uh Shooters of the Future will be uh from Korea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, stuff Like I'd just say, I have that
region where it's like they maybe they can make these
things kind of look look slick and polished in a
lot of ways, but that like are open to the grind,
like appealing to an audience that is accepting of the.
Speaker 3: Grind except on the grind and of you know, free
to play online store stuff.
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly a lot of that.
Speaker 3: Big Fresh also says really wish Dice would jump over
to do it free to play Star Wars Battlefront instead.
Battlefront two had no content from the Disney Plus show,
so there's lots to mine from. I know that they're
talking up the next Battlefield Jeff, and it's kind of like, Man,
you had two strikes in Battlefield recently, good luck with
the next one. I would definitely prefer a new Battlefront.
I like Battlefront two a lot, a game that just
kind of never really had much of a chance because
everyone was so mad about the loop boxes. I'm not
saying that you should have been, but whenever I played Battlefront,
I actually had a pretty good time with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it ended up being like a top five best
selling Star Wars game, if not, if not the best
selling mine. I think Battlefront won the New Battlefront one.
It is the best selling Star Wars game, and then
I think that's like number two or number three.
Speaker 1: So it did well.
Speaker 2: But they were they had even higher expectations and all
that stuff, and of course they were expecting to make
a lot more money for those loop boxes to get
ripped out of the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think a free to play Star Wars
Battlefront or something like a Star Wars Battlefront like that,
even a Battle Royale something like that, a free to
play mode.
Speaker 1: Would be very cool.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, we should just go play Battlefront too,
I mean, it's still online. We should make a TNT
of that or something that would be fun.
Speaker 3: Zoomer says this week in Gaming News, if you understand
money but not video games, he will be bad at
making money through video games, Jim Ryan and Olympics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it definitely seems that way.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Jim Jim Ryan is responsible for
a lot of the positions that Sony is in right now.
But I don't necessarily know if I would lay much
of the blame for what is happening happening at Bungee
at Jim Ryan's feet. But that doesn't mean y. Sony
still has a lot of problems in front of him
because of the Jim Ryan decisions.
Speaker 3: Still Jim Ryan's number one fan in Defender.
Speaker 1: Huh, yeah, he's a beautiful man.
Speaker 3: Oh grugg, says Bike said he's going to be streaming
Dark Souls until Gamess mornings. I hope he didn't lie
about that like you did about watching Love. Yeah, actually
said Gamess moy instead of game miss assize like I
would be.
Speaker 1: I s't have one tomorrow, so you need to stream
it on Monday.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, I'm not going to Summer Slam. Sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, honestly, you'll probably beat Dark Souls by then
if you kept streaming.
Speaker 3: I'm actually pretty close. It would have taken much longer enough.
Daily Beating says excited to try SteamWorld Heist two you
all play or planning to yet we both got to
play it at Summer game fests actually, and I got
a review.
Speaker 1: Code and I've kind of had it there, but I
haven't touched it much. I was.
Speaker 2: I regret that, but maybe you know, we'll get it
on content and play it there. But yeah, we played
at Summer Game Fest and I liked what I played.
I just I think they I think what they did
is they said, like they gave me two saves, and hey,
play with this one in the early game and here's
much later. And They're like, this is thirty hours in,
and I'm like, oh, I don't know if I want
to be I don't know if I need to be playing.
Speaker 1: For thirty hours. And just kind of hearing that like
threw me off my.
Speaker 3: A little bits of possibility.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly so. But but I know I like steam
World Heist. I like steam World steam World Heist one
a lot. What I played the steam World h Heist
two I think is even better. Like they made some
good choices. Uh, so I will be spending more time
with it.
Speaker 3: I never played the first steam World Heist, but I
enjoyed steam World Heists two a good of a good bet.
Speaker 1: And it's got the I think it's got the like
you know, high Seas vibe, but I think you might
like more exactly.
Speaker 3: Yes, I like the kind of piratey, more adventury thing
going on with it, for sure, casual, says Dear Decider
slash Pina Coladakers. Are there games that you'll always associate
with summer? For me, it's Wireland for and Curse of
Monkey Island? Love you? Oh those are fun. Cursal Monkey Island, man,
it's interesting. I don't know why I love that game,
but I don't really associate it with summer.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I have many games that I
just straight up associate with the summer time, even like, yeah,
I kind of feel summary like like Jack and Daxter,
the starting area is kind of tropical and stuff, so like,
you know, I mean, I don't think about it.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of NES games because I got my
NES for my fifth birthday and then that summer it
was like, well, you know, we're home all summer, can
we go rent another game? I think we rented a
lot of games all summer, and uh, and so it
used to like punch Out and Zelda one that I was, like,
I associate with that summer break early on, although you know,
it was like what it was maybe in kindergarten or
something like that, but my brothers would have been on
summer break, so we would have been spending a lot
of time together and stuff like that. So yeah, it's
things like that, but not not like, oh, this has
summer vibes or not even like this is something that
I only played. When I first got it was like
a holiday or something like that, and so I associated
with Thanksgiving and then Christmas or something not not really
like that.
Speaker 3: I guess. I guess I kind of associate dead or
alive extreme Volleyball with the summer.
Speaker 1: There you go, Sure, there you go.
Speaker 3: Joey f thank you so much for joining the Lincoln
to your hero could appreciate that. Ali America says came
into some extra cash thanks to weird home things. I
now want to own one of the new fangled handheld
PC's mostly for backlog emulation f Bacy fourteen. Should I
just go for the old lead deck if.
Speaker 2: It's mostly for emulation and Final Fantasy fourteen? Probably because
the battery life on it is so much better than
anything else. I have not looked too much of that
rat rog ally X. If you are, like, if you
want to make sure that you have easy access to
everything else just in case, maybe that's the one to
go for.
Speaker 3: I will say the one thing I am a and
I forget how much how much smoother this is on
a Steam digger or not the rog ally like whatever
you're updating things, it's like three different apps you have
to open up. There's like Windows Update and then there's
the rog ally one, and then there's like some other
thing from the Windows Store and like go through all
of these like every few months to make sure everything's
up to date or something's going to break horribly.
Speaker 1: I have a pain of process.
Speaker 3: It's a pain.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I God, if you if you are kind of get
in and you want to make sure that it's a consolized,
easy experience. Steam Deck has really really honed in on that.
So I'm still a big steam Deck fan. I use
it all the time.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Jacob Bench asks will there be any content from this week?
And I don't know there are.
Speaker 1: Me and Dan like, I mean, work's not Work's not
paying for us to go out there in any ways
or anything like that. This is all us.
Speaker 2: But I mean we'll probably take some pictures and maybe
if we get some time, we'll make something. I don't know,
no promises, and if if we do make anything, chances
are illan up on this YouTube channel so we'll see.
Speaker 3: There you go. Yeah, Casual says, put this towards the
mic plays Infinite Wealth fun. You deserve to experience virtual
Hawaii with Ichi ban Kasa gun friends. Jeff back me up.
Speaker 1: No, I like, I know, I think he'll I think
he'll really like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to get to it. I sometimes I
remind myself when I get like, when I like, like,
look at a price I'm not paying that I have
to rebuy myself with which money people give me on
here sometimes to play video games that they like. I
was like, okay, I guess I could put some of
that back towards the video games and not just spend
all of it on RBS. Well most of it though,
most of it though. John Crawley asque for the first shoot,
I think you you all played Nine Souls yet seems
like such a Jeff and Mike coated game. I literally
booted it.
Speaker 2: Up because Barrett, I think talked it up over it
kind of funny, and I was I think I was
trying to get him to play something.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'll play this if you play this.
Speaker 2: And I have not really played much of it, but
I think it's it's it's another great Metroid Venue from
this year.
Speaker 1: I think there's another one that someone was just playing.
Speaker 2: I think Mary might have mentioned on a fire Escape
another Metroid Venue game that's very good. It's an embarrassment
of riches in that genre right now. But I will
check out Nine Souls like for real soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wish I was on Switch so it doesn't have
that yet, but I could just you know, I have
this ally I can do that. I'm gonna need things
to play, considering I'm flying to Germany soon, so uh
one way or another.
Speaker 1: Plane? Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Connor Wood says most Lego games are in a Humble
bundle for twenty bucks. You know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't know how much I care about Lego
games anymore. I gotta be honest.
Speaker 3: I mean, did you like play one back in the day,
because it's like you did, you played it, then you
get it? Yeah, Like I liked I liked that first
Lego Star Wars. But then you know, they're all like,
you know, they would trick me sometimes like oh, here's
the Lord of the Rings one. Well, now I'm very excited,
and then I would play. I'm like, wow, it's yeah,
it's this again. It's like it's cute, it's charming, it's
nice to play with kids. But I also just yeah,
it's not it's like not in my top five hundred
of things I want to play right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I that, you know, the Star Wars Complete Saga one.
I can't remember what it's called.
Speaker 2: I played quite a bit of that. Uh, it's very
well done, like it's and it looks better than ever.
The legos look realer than ever and stuff like that.
So I think that's still co worth going out and
saying they are making improvements and that one's sort of
the culmination of everything.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, you're right, Mike, you do
not need to go check it out. Yeah, the things
I can do.
Speaker 3: Ah, And then Tyler James bass is going to Haktua
on that astro.
Speaker 1: I get it too.
Speaker 2: When when is that going Sailka in August sixth or
something like that, August eighth, I will be there day
one ready to pre order.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because, uh, the last time I bought
a special controller it was this Starfield Xbox one when
I'd up like his controller a good deal more than
the game. But this is like my main controller.
Speaker 1: I used on the PC over there, and I still
like it quite a bit.
Speaker 3: That's it for super chats for now. If you all
have any more questions or comment, you can still send
in a super chat. We will read it before the end,
all right, Like from Chaktowski right here is just a
tip for good reporting and vibes.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I did do a good job with all that reporting.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mikey. We appreciate it. By welcome back tasky.
Good looking out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know it's still rough in the video
game industry, right, it's still like I think, God, I
was doing the news earlier this week for Game This Mornings,
and I was looking at games B and Dean did
a story. It's like Someone's saying like, hey, things are
slowing down in layoffs, and I'm like, oh, that's like
that's those are the magic words. And that happened and
then you know, fifteen thousand people laid off at Intel
like it is a fucking fire out there still.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and Intel's problems go pretty deep right now.
Speaker 2: They've made a lot of big mistakes, including the fucking
chip that's in this PC that I'm using right now
that I had to downclock so it doesn't shut off
when I'm playing unreal games, which is just amazing.
Speaker 1: How are you? How do you do that? Your Intel?
But fifteen thousand people laid off, that is a number
that is incomprehensible to me. They did tell invest in
AI or something, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the bigger problem is that they didn't invest in
AI enough because I look, look, everyone else investing in
AI is probably making a mistake. And Vidia investing in
AI has made them Like they just went they went
up three hundred twenty eight billion dollars in like and
worth in a day the other day, like in twenty
four hours, they like almost half have a trillion dollars
in value because they are the only vendor really for
AI an Intel Intel, and Intel looks like they are
you know that meme of the guy at the window
at the party, like looking in like they are that
on this and it's real people once again paying the
price fifteen thousand people. Fifteen thousand, now fifteen hundred, fifteen
thousand people.
Speaker 1: That is a decently sized town city. Yeah, it's a
little town. Yeah, it's a town. That's what I was
thinking to when I saw him, Like, that is a
town in Ohio.
Speaker 3: Yep, Oh my god. Taro James Bay with one over
here saying looking at that Astra controler like jd Vance looks.
Speaker 1: I mean, Tara James Bay is out of pocket, but
not wrong like I did it. That is a handsome controller.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd have sex with it. And then Large Mario
with their first super chat here generous want thank you
so much as thanks for being cool dudes, thank you
for being cool, Large Mario, Thank.
Speaker 1: You, Large Mario with god we have the best names
in our chat Q. We really did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was. I was the one with the word
beatings in it. It makes me laugh every time because
there was one that used to laugh at a lot.
I don't know if they say they can out remember
what it was, but I remember just laughing every single
time I fucking saw it. All right, that's a re
super Chests Now again, you can keep sending those in.
We will read them before the end of the show.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break again and we're gonna
get set up for our kind of our decisions.
Speaker 1: This week. We're gonna check in on our Metacritic game
I believe, right, and then we're gonna pick some games
for the Hall of Fame. Now you all think that
we forgot about the Hall of Fame, here's trouble.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I just told you'd be a little bit more frequent.
It's gonna be special, all right. Now, it's special. Darn it,
It's special, darn it. We'll be back with that right
after that.
Speaker 3: Doctor a Hall of Fame one does it once a year.
Speaker 2: And we're back and we are going to I'm not
gonna do picture of the Hall for the Hall of
Fame yet. First we are going to do the game
mess open critic predictions, Q two results and Q three predictions.
I know that sounds nerdy. It's because you're fucking watching
a video game podcast. So I'm gonna hand over to
Sean to host it from this point forward.
Speaker 5: Yes, the expert nerdy, Thank you, Jeff, Yeah, no problem.
Oh first, real quick, I thought I mentioned while we're
on air, significantly smaller breaking video game news romhacking dot
Net is shutdown, which is really Yeah, that's a bummer
because that's whereas.
Speaker 1: Yes, my fan translations, where do I go?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: I just got to go torrents again.
Speaker 5: Well, they've backed everything up, they've backed everything up to
Internet archive thankfully.
Speaker 1: But I got it. Okay.
Speaker 5: It's some scene drama combine with the owner not want
to do it anymore and like getting some threats. Weirdly enough, overs.
Speaker 1: Scene drama is like entropy. It just comes for everything
in the end, it just agrees everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the you know, the Motyls will find a home
after this, but it's just it's gonna take a while. Okay,
So yeah, bummer. But community trucks on, just like we
truck on with our open credit game here. I know,
a couple of weeks back, y'all had y'all had Bob
on to do the some of the metrics stuff. I
think you did a really good job of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did great. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And here we have a sort of the related
game that the Unchared Wolf does for us. UH as
always is presented by me Turbo Shawn, executive produced by
Heyo Kochima himself. UH the rules in case I wants
forgotten is that every quarter the game mess about the
boys here and then the community members, which was talk
about oh, you're good.
Speaker 1: It's back back back, We're good.
Speaker 5: It won't be one years about himing the wrong butN.
Speaker 1: You know, that's right.
Speaker 5: The rules were that both the boys and the community
were given a list of ten different games coming out
in the second quarter of twenty twenty four. Is while
we're going over here with the task of predicting their
open critic scores, scores determined by the top critic average
over there. Whoever it gets closest to the score gets
one point, and if you predict the score exactly right,
you get two points. And finally, if you didn't think
the game would come out by the end of the
second quarter, you can say will not release and get
double the points. Friendly reminder of where we're sitting at
right now. After quarter one, Mike won that quarter, and
then over in the community Lewis ag and fish.
Speaker 1: And love one over there something bullshit.
Speaker 5: So that being said, let's get into these results. Game
number one was Iiding Chronicle one hundred Heroes. Mike went
first and predicted seventy seven. Jeff predicted seventy nine, and
landed at seventy five, so Mike gets the point there.
Speaker 3: I went low and it worked Oh baby, click.
Speaker 1: Always go low.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that game was a bit of a bummer and
like people had high hopes though, So I don't think
you were wrong to think that, Jeff.
Speaker 3: I'm glad I didn't like that weird spinoff game that
came out first. That's the reason I went as that's right,
I remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: In the community, Crandis and barsbackle one, So congrats there
they both got exactly round seventy five. Next game was
Tales of Canzera Zeo. Jeff picked first with an eighty two.
Mike went high with an eighty three, and it landed
at seventy six, So Jeff gets one point.
Speaker 1: Went low and it worked out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sucks.
Speaker 5: Shouts to Crandis, Alma, Sleep, Clink, and Enemy Mouse. In
the community.
Speaker 1: We believe in games so much.
Speaker 3: We just believe that they're going to be good, right exactly.
Speaker 5: It was pretty good from the down I played too,
So I also.
Speaker 2: Beat this game and really enjoyed it, but I think
I would probably put it like the seventy nine to
eighty one range now after playing it.
Speaker 5: This also came out after Prince of Persia. Exactly.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 5: Going going uphill a little bit. Game nor three was
sand Land. Mike went first with eighty, Jeff Lan with
seventy nine, and it did go low with seventy four.
Speaker 2: I play the demo of this, I remetter what I
would have done it. I played the demo and I
was like, I'm going, like I remember at the time
when this happened. You're like, I went I'm like, I'm
going still because I played the demo, like it was
like pretty clear that it was going to be worse.
Speaker 1: Than we were.
Speaker 3: Maybe I thought there's gonna be some like a kre Toriama,
like like like bump for it or something.
Speaker 2: Seventy four is better than what I was really expecting
after playing the demo. People said that the game is
much better than what the demo is.
Speaker 5: From what from what I've heard, this seems like the
Strong seven we tend to talk about where it's like, yeah,
this is a fun time, It's just amazing.
Speaker 2: So honestly, seventy four is a really good score for
one of those h This is a Namco right, Yeah,
the band Nampko anime game seventy four is pretty.
Speaker 5: Good for that, serr Ela did last.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this Liquid Death sucks which flavor? It's it's
bury it alive. Oh you hear Liquid Death. You should
all get mad at him. It tastes bad.
Speaker 5: It's just overpriced sparkling water.
Speaker 1: Oh, don't say a price. They yelled at me for that.
Speaker 4: Wow, I didn't know you hate it. I'll i'll well,
was it? I don't remembercoholics? Ye.
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, I'm sitting here with my pineapple coconuts sparkling water
from Kroger that I got for what like there's forty cents?
Speaker 3: Hell, yeah, I can't believe anyellow came at me too
with the freaking like I could drink it at a
party and not be judge.
Speaker 5: Like, who's judging you, Hollywood people? Mike, it's like you
don't even know Alex.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: Game number four is Stellar Blade.
Speaker 2: Jeff went first, but you got eight exactly right, Mike,
so into Stellar Blade.
Speaker 1: You're so obsessed with this game. Of course you got
it exactly right.
Speaker 5: You knew even played after that one stream you did?
Speaker 3: Uh No, played it once? It was all right?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: Was it bad?
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, eighty two seems right. Maybe play
Marcus right, Nikki, that's what he is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's what I give. Yeah, funny Lewis ag
also got exactly right with eighty two Game number five
Home World three. Mike went first with eighty four. Jeff
went higher with eighty eight, thinking there'd be a selection
bias there. I remember you mentioning that, but it went
low with the seventy seven.
Speaker 1: So it was a backfire in the selection bias because
the fans were not happy with this game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, forgot this happened. I mean, that's a rough one.
Home World one too, below, but they came out a
long time ago. It's not like, you know, it's not
a different world now.
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 4: Because I told you it was kind of cool?
Speaker 1: And then you have anything your fault Home World three.
Speaker 2: I was expecting better things, so I like Home World
one a lot, but I am was like, oh, yeah,
it seems like it's gonna be really good, and no
it wasn't.
Speaker 5: Let me see, I don't know if I said a Warren,
Cliff and Clink got it in the community with seventy
eight as their prediction. Game or six was Senua Saga
hell Blade to a game we absolutely love around here.
Jeff I went first with eighty seven. Mike went higher
with eighty eight and still land in the eighties on
the low end with eighty one.
Speaker 1: Game I played zero minutes.
Speaker 5: I played thirty minutes of this game. I played the
intros game where I was just holding forward on the
analog stick while reading on my phone of hogged Outrun
two thousand and six running out of my steam?
Speaker 3: Could it be such a better world if people cared
more about Outrun two thousand and six.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they grabbed mos on.
Speaker 3: You guys can play actual video games. It'll be fun,
I promise.
Speaker 1: Mike. I think the secret is that they do. But
this is part of the list war. So that's uh yeah,
I go sometimes.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Crandis and cast BACKERU both got exactly right with
eighty one. Good job Game number seven, Paper Mario the
one thousand Year Door remake. Mike was optimistic in this one,
thinking in ninety two I of ironic concerning your crystalisms
for the game pre release, and Jeff went a little
lower with ninety It went only slightly lower than that.
Eighty eight s a very very good score. Jeff gets
the point, it should be a ninety two, Sorr.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna yelled at but one of my sources,
what you do? Well, he won. He just wants me
to like give some more detail so there will be
more bunch of talking. Well, there you go, we'll do that.
We'll do that a little bit in a little bit
sicker around.
Speaker 3: Everybody in the community.
Speaker 5: A whole bunch of people got exactly right with eighty eight.
Speaker 3: So shouts, somebody tell that big testany channel to come
back here.
Speaker 5: Game number eight was shin Magami tensea like Sense five vengeance.
Jeff predicted an eighty two. Mike predicted an eighty five,
and it went way higher than that. You want to
talk about selection bias? Eight?
Speaker 1: Was the selection bias pic?
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, absolutely, Mike got the point.
Speaker 3: There hire the thousand year door. What the hell?
Speaker 5: At one point, shouts to Jamie H four gang exactly
right with eighty nine?
Speaker 1: How many?
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly where you are right now, Jeff,
but we have to be close.
Speaker 5: Do we have a Yeah, we don't have a number.
Speaker 1: You mean in terms of points.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's right there.
Speaker 5: Excuse me, Yes, for the audio listeners, Mike is ahead
by one point.
Speaker 3: Five five before Yes, there we go, Thank you.
Speaker 5: Game number nine was Shadow of the d Tree Michael
ninety five. Jeff thought it would be one of the
highest ray games of all time in ninety six, particularly
why and it was ninety four. No, I'm just saying
it was different. The difference under metacrek and Open Crick
ninety six is pretty.
Speaker 2: Big, but right, No, I know that, But also I
was in a tough spot where like Mike, I think
I wanted ninety five.
Speaker 5: Such tough place in life.
Speaker 1: Ye know it, right a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: If you want it ninety five real bad, you could
have gone ninety four, gotten it exactly right.
Speaker 1: Or it could have just also said ninety five, because
that's one of our rules. There we go.
Speaker 5: Anyways, Yes, the titular just stupid rule. Mike, just one
point there, and a whole bunch of people in community
got two points for a game exactly right. Game number
ten was Luigi's Mansion two h D, where Jeff went
first with eighty Mike predicted eighty one, and it went
on the low side with seventy eight, so Jeff gets
one additional point.
Speaker 3: We really need to go lower more man, it almost
always works.
Speaker 5: Community winners were beef Hammer, Laser Wolf, and Warren Curtis,
all who got exactly right with seventy eight still so close,
and the results there are Mike wins six to five.
Speaker 1: Ye, how is that the last game of the quarter.
Can you believe if I didn't get stellar but exactly right,
it would have.
Speaker 3: Been a tie.
Speaker 2: I feel like that shouldn't count, or you have to
go play Stellar Blade immediately on the other.
Speaker 3: Game.
Speaker 1: I don't want to play.
Speaker 5: As always, I am going to just do a slow
skirl through the community results because we do have a
lot of people playing over there. So if you want
to see exactly how you did, he and check the
video version there. But in the long run, what matters
is that Jamie h Christmas Eve, as Jeff likes to
call them one this quarter, So Congress.
Speaker 1: Jamie, well done, and Congress me, good job.
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you. You don't have to win the next
two now if you want to try to tie it up,
I mean, should we do it.
Speaker 1: By like winner of the quarters or should we just
add up all of the totals.
Speaker 5: So what we do, what we always do is that
if someone takes more quarters, they win, and if it's
a tie in quarters, then it's whoever overall got.
Speaker 1: You, you've got to win the next two. All right, okay,
all right, well we're doing that right, we're picking the
games now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because we are moving on to the quarter three predictions,
let's spout.
Speaker 1: So I could do some research about what's coming out.
Speaker 4: For you.
Speaker 1: Yell at me, come on, not again?
Speaker 3: First time? Well I thought you said, let's pause because
I'm gonna say more spicy things about Bungeee a little bit,
but not that spicy. Yeah, absolutely not. I have not
given this a single thought. I'm just going off the
cuff and I'm gonna win again. So maybe just try
to be more like me.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna try to be more like Mikey.
Everybody see how that goes? You like Mike.
Speaker 5: As always, the rules for the quarter applies, so same
rules from last imply to this one. The deadline for
the community, by the way, is when the first game
in this list gets reviews. I had to cut two
games from this list because we've been delayed so long
for scheduling and moth related reasons and doing all this,
so it's gonna be a slightly smaller pool of games here.
Just so you know, Mike, your victory lets you go first,
and then it will be stake pick from there. So Mike,
I need you tell me what you think Black Myth
Wukong will get.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, it's hard. It's like even lies a Pee,
which everybody's like that was. It's hard best social like
hard ever, thank you pass me? Even like that has
like an eighty two or something right or not, like
super high. And I don't know if this is gonna
be as good as lies of p maybe'd be around there,
you know. Maybe I'm just feeling that good old eighty
two did me right last time, that's for sure. I
think I'm telling another eighty two here. We'll say eighty
two for Blackmith, will.
Speaker 5: Come eighty two for Mike.
Speaker 2: Jeff Ah, God, that's such a good pick, because I
also think it'll be around eighty two and eighty one.
Speaker 1: It is like, go lower, but is it really gonna
be Yeah, like.
Speaker 2: A seventy eight, seventy nine, eighty or eighty one, Like
that's like the maybe the possible range I think it
could be in. But also going hire is usually a
bad move. We tend to have a more faith in
these games maybe than not, not that they deserve, but
then what is appropriate? But I think, I know, I
think I'm gonna go I'm gonna, I'm gonna I am
gonna go with it. I'm gonna say it's gonna have
in eighty three.
Speaker 5: Yeah, ay, three, going a little higher there, gotcha, going
a little higher? Okay. Game number two is Concord. Jeff,
is your turn to pick?
Speaker 1: Fuck?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going first on this one.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, the facts of the matter are we
didn't like it that much, but there was positive right.
Speaker 1: Exactly, And I don't know. I feel like.
Speaker 2: I feel like there is a stinch of death on
it that will wait, like that will affect how people
feel about.
Speaker 1: It, even if they like it. So I'm gonna go
with a seventy.
Speaker 5: Five, just going seventy five, got it?
Speaker 3: I think it could be so much low. I'm gonna
go seventy and I could even go lower, but I
think seven will be good enough.
Speaker 5: Jeff's going that high, okay, gotcha. Game number three is
World of Warcraft The War with In and Mikey gets
to go first.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Interesting. The last expansion very well received. I'm not like
super intunnecessary what's happening here, But I think people are
excited and feeling good about it. I want to say,
in eighty.
Speaker 2: Six, okay, strong choice, Jeff, m He's six is okay, Yeah,
I feel good about it. In eighty five then lo
at least could come out and be very high. But
I think there's a good chance of saying no, that's
really good and then ends up like an eighty four
to eighty five range.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with eighty five. I feel good
about that.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: Game number four, I forgot this has coming out this quarter.
I'm excited. Visions of Mono Jeff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that demo just came out. Asplayed it, I was like,
I even think thinking about it playing it.
Speaker 1: I'll go with Hm. I'm gonna go with an eighty one.
Speaker 3: Okay, Mike, Yeah, I got I put this back at
was It Packed East, and I think it's fun. I
think it's cute. I think it's simple, and I think
that's going to not gel with a lot of people.
I'll go eighty eighty Okay, a little lower, got it,
little lower? Game number five then Star Wars Outlaws Mike, Well, right,
that's it's hard. Actually, yeah. I mean I got to
play five hours of it at least, that's something true,
and I enjoyed.
Speaker 1: It to cheating, So I have something complaining about when
you get this one.
Speaker 5: Right there you go, I gotta find the things to
cheat to bitch about exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd remind myself even ihones, even Jediphone Survivor was
like low eighties, right, and like it seems like everybody
kind of holds that in pretty high regard now, So
I don't I don't think it's going to be some
super ridiculously hyghen Metacritic think. I think some people are
going to find the gameplay perhaps a little lacking in
death in some ways. I want to say an eighty.
Speaker 2: Ree Okay, yeah, I think I'm just going to continue
the strategy you're going a little bit lower.
Speaker 1: I'll go with eighty two.
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about that because I think this
one that could very easily end up a seventy eight
or eighty two, like anywhere in that range.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do think that it's it'll be I think
it's fatigue, you know.
Speaker 1: Yes, the Ubisoft thing.
Speaker 2: It will hurt it with a lot of like those
tertiary reviews from like smaller sites I think right.
Speaker 3: And Star Wars sentiment. It's just at an all time
high right.
Speaker 1: Now, right, people love that? Yeah, yeah, I think there's
it'll be.
Speaker 2: I have a really hard time to get up to
that eighty five eighty six range, especially, but even in
the mid eighties might be hard.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: Game number six is as robot or as the untire
Wolf puts here in parenthes. God, just literally god.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, who's going first this time?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 1: This is me? Yes, son of a bitch. Eighty high?
You going je I'm gonna I'm gonna go eighty nine.
I'm gonna go eighty nine.
Speaker 5: Oh, very high? Okay, going very high?
Speaker 2: Yes, but listen, I was the respart of me was
about to say ninety so yeah, well fuck you, Jeff ninety.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I commit to him.
Speaker 3: Wait a second, wait ninety one.
Speaker 4: Wow, let's go.
Speaker 2: If you get it, I will abandon my boy and
I will I will feel terrible.
Speaker 1: There you go. I like it.
Speaker 5: I like it gets rad all right. Next up, Warhammer
forty K, Space Marine two for the Emperor.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, man, gosh, I haven't really been following this.
Speaker 1: I feel.
Speaker 3: This. This is uh embraced, right, this is an embraced game.
Speaker 1: I'm not helping you.
Speaker 3: Shit a long time, a follow up to a game
people have been excited for or people love. Yeah, well,
look I played boat Gun recently. That's something. Look, I
don't think it's gonna be in the higher eighties people,
I don't. I don't know what the sentiment is on this.
I don't know if you could suddenly make a new
Space Marine and it's gonna be good and do for
people what that Xbox three sixty game did. That also
didn't get amazing reviews at the time, So I mean
it got good reviews. It was low eighties, though, So
I want to say in eighty I'm gonna do a
night my good old fashioned eighty. Oh it is eighty
two too high. No, I don't want eighty two. I
want eighty one, eighty one, Okay, I am very happy
to take eighty.
Speaker 1: I am. I think it's gonna be end right there
all in that, all throughout the seventies of those reviews.
Speaker 2: So and it'll have a few eighties here and there
and a few like fours and fives dracking it down.
Speaker 1: So I feel good, feel very good about.
Speaker 4: Eighty So for not these heretics to live. Please, may.
Speaker 1: I apologize my apologies to the Emperor. He accepts apologies, right,
he does, absolutely, I'm sure he does.
Speaker 5: And I believe this will be a last one. Here
Jeff gets to pick first the ledge of Zelda Akos
of Wisdom. Fuck yeah, are you Nintendo fan boys? Let's
see where if you're putting your money where your mouth is.
Speaker 2: God, I wish I could remember what I know that
A Link between Worlds did really well, but I think
it was like maybe eighty nine or nineties, maybe even
like eighty eight.
Speaker 5: Say ninety nine, because I got this in Fantasy Critic, and.
Speaker 2: Then Link's Awakening was like eighty I want to say,
like eighty four, maybe like eighty two.
Speaker 1: I will go with eighty six.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a very good game,
and a lot of people would be like I have
maybe higher expectations that will will miss or something like that.
They'll go like, well it's Grez though and not Nintendo.
So and then I think it'll end up around eighty six,
maybe even eighty seven. I'm gonnay eighty six.
Speaker 4: Okay, So if it's like the people, it's gonna be
wrong for saying that it's not time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly exactly right, Thank you, Christian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I kind of agree with Jeff on everything,
but I think he still went a little high. I
think eighty five will be better, maybe even lower.
Speaker 5: Really possible, Okay, it's possible.
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's gonna be a good game.
Speaker 3: But I think this is like, you know, I don't
want to say that like this the quote unquote stink
of Princess Beaches show Time is still there, or like
leaked these games together just because they starve women and
franchises that usually didn't. But uh, I don't know. I'm
a little worried that, like some people are gonna apreciate
it simpler links Awakening did in eighty seven.
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting that everyone liked it more than you.
All Right, that's one of my favorite games, Okay, not
the reason.
Speaker 5: Well, a summary for the audio listeners U for each
game Blackmith Wukong, Jeff said eighty three, Mike said eighty two,
Concord Jeff said seventy five. Mike when notably Laura with
seventy World of Warcraft War Within Jeff said eighty five.
Mike said eighty six Visions of Mana, Jeff said eighty one,
Mike said eighty. Star Wars Outlaws Jeff went with eighty
two and Mike eighty three. Astrobot eighty nine from Jeff,
ninety one from Mike, Warhammer forty K, Space Marine two
Rolls Rout the Tong Jeff went with eighty, Mike went
with eighty one, and last but not least, the Legazelda
Echoes of Wisdom. Jeff took the over with eighty six
and Mike with the under at eighty five. Well, I'm
taking away from this as we all have a ton
of confidence in concorder, but otherwise you think this is
gonna be a good quarter?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think a lot of these
are gonna be good games. I even think Space Marine
two is gonna be pretty solid. I my honest opinion,
that would probably be like, you know, maybe like a
seventy four or whatever, but I think that's pretty good
for that game.
Speaker 1: I think it's a save. I think Sabers developing that.
Speaker 2: So that's why I was like willing to go, like, yeah,
Mike is not like an outer Space with this or
something like that.
Speaker 1: But it's still probably high on that still probably could
be like mid eighties or anything like that. All Right,
you guys have fun in that. Jeff wins. So it's
competitive this year, I'll go.
Speaker 5: Fund those nice and nicely closing message like a.
Speaker 1: Lot of the quarters last year, just not most of
them last year.
Speaker 4: This year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, last year, I believe you guys tied and it
came down to the tiebreaker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds right, That sounds right. I think I
think it was also like a comeback for me a
little bit.
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly. We'll see.
Speaker 2: I really like this game. I think it's fun. I
have a good time with this one, except for when
I lose, which has been on I win. Yeah, so
it's been pretty bad.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: I think what we'll do now is let's pick some
Hall of Fame nominees. We haven't like really to discussed
this at all, unless you've thought about it more than
I have, Mike. But what we normally do is, and
I'll read what we have in the Hall of Fame
here in a second, everybody, but let's just.
Speaker 1: Gonna start process. What we do is to keep it
sort of in a way that makes sense.
Speaker 2: We kind of hone in on an idea, a category,
a genre, a console, something along those lines, and then
me and Mike picked four games from that, and then
we have you guys vote, and then the top two
get into the game mess Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Let's let me take a look here. What's in here
so far?
Speaker 2: The current Hall of Fame is Super Mario Brothers, Super
Metroid Street Fighter two, Super Mario sixty four, Mario Kart eight,
Deluxe f zero GX, Undertail, Shovel Knight or In the
Will of the Wisps, Counsylvania's Symphony of the Night, Streets
of Rage two, Sonic the Hedgehog, two Demon Souls Uncharted,
two Knights of the Old Republic, Halo Combat Evolved, Shadow
of the Colossus, and Middle Gear Solid three Snake Eater Subsistence.
Those are our Hall of Fame entrants so far. Mike,
where do you think we should go in terms of
like the category or theme?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I don't know. Just think about Astrobot. I
could do three three D platformers.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's not bad. I went I faded into black again?
Why to keep doing that?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, let's do three D platformers. We already have
Super Mario sixty four on there, so that kind of
freezes up a little bit. Uh, why do you go
ahead and pick one and get us started there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and chat if you want so, Jeff? And are
you just going to pick two? And then what's gonna
happen as our podcast producers will vote in the top
two will get added chat live chaar. Right now, you
can go ahead and suggest things all you want right now.
Speaker 1: That is fine, That is completely fine. Yes, that's right.
Speaker 3: I think for my first one here, who I think
I do want to I think I do want to nominate.
That's like, how is that gonna play?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Spicy?
Speaker 1: Do I not spicy? You know?
Speaker 3: Maybe I will just just do that. Let's see, there's
such a Mario Galaxy problem with Jeff, of like which
one do I pick? And I have that with that
those two games forever for the rest of my life now, huh.
Speaker 1: I mean the reality is both those games are gonna
end up in the Hall of Fame at some point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I don't want us to nominate four or
even like two Mario games here.
Speaker 1: Really, I know it. We're gonna have to avoid that here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be rob I mean, honestly, we could
just do the rest of the Mario platformers. But then
I think what we have to do is the ones
that don't make it are like barred from joining for
a long time.
Speaker 3: I almost feel like the Mario games are gonna have
another time to get in here. I want to nominate
the first Jack and Dexter.
Speaker 1: Actually all right, just Jack and Dankster.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna be writing these down in our
doc Everybody, if you are a podcast producer, you're gonna
be able to vote on these. It'll show up in
the podcast Producers channel. You'll see that pretty soon. We'll
make sure that that like is pinned and everything. But
Jack and Daxter, Like, I am just gonna, I'm just
gonna do it. Astros Playroom, I'm yeah, I think I.
Speaker 3: Playroom straight up. Wow. Yeah, that would be the newest
game on our list, I believe, But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is up there for me mentioned that and
I'm like, yeah, that's what brought us to this, and
there's a reason Astros Playroom is really that impressive. And
I know it's like light and stuff, but I don't
think that holds it back in anyway.
Speaker 3: I would do the original Ratchet and claim there's a
lot of good games in that series, maybe some better ones.
I still think that is the one of the most
exciting three D platforms. I love how big it is.
I love if there are so many games in it,
and yet that formula still feels like a lot of
fun to me, just really likable. I mean, like well cares.
It just does a good job with its mission statement
of just combining three D platformer like collect the fun
stuff with some shooting mechanics. It feels great.
Speaker 1: Oh it's Jesse gott Oh singing On's one and two. Jeez.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think since we are like fully avoiding Mario
games here we avoid Mario.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be we could wull nominate Mario Games Caglories.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, sounds good. So then I will just
go with Banjo KAZUOI.
Speaker 3: Then yeah, yeah, Benjo's not up there yet.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, Benju KAZUOI, Banjo Kazu. There we go. All right,
So four nominees if we still want to just do
four nominees or maybe do we want to, like we
could do that when we do six? How do we
do six now? Because I think that makes it more
exciting when only two get in.
Speaker 3: I think you're right, What the heck, because I see
it all right, plenty of good suggestions still, and I
think I would nominate Psycho Nots.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just I want Second's one one. Yeah,
two is a little new, and too is like it's
very similar, it's better. But Second Notts one was incredibly interesting.
I think it does a great job of like introducing
a higher quality of writing and kind of character stuff
than we had seen in these games before.
Speaker 2: You do keep bringing this up, and I haven't really
thought about that. But in Hall of Fames, the way
it normally works is there is a grace period before
you can be in the Hall of Fame, like and
I know in hockey it's like you have to have
retired at least five years ago, and that's from professional hockey.
So do you like go play somewhere else, like in
the Russian League or something like that, you still have
to wait for that to be done and then five
years later, do we want something like that?
Speaker 1: Is astro too new?
Speaker 3: I don't think we need a rule. I think Ash
is maybe pushing it a little bit, but let's not
do anything newer than that. Okay, and I think people
should maybe consider that when they vote. If you think
it's kind of too new, then don't vote for it.
Speaker 2: Okay, well let's just say the cut off is twenty
twenty then, right now, okay, all right, well let me
think here, let me see some some yeah ball in Wonderlands.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get you back into the chat wonder World.
Speaker 3: You always say Wonderland is not its name, it's a wonder.
Speaker 1: World, wonder World. I don't give a shit any respect
Mike that.
Speaker 4: I don't think they are sure about that.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, man, I should have nominated a Crash game
because you're not going to God, damn right, I've listened.
Speaker 1: Crash four is very fun.
Speaker 2: I like it a lot, but I'm also still not
going to nominate it. God, I am still let's see here.
Speaker 1: I did have uh God, let's see here.
Speaker 2: I honestly, three D Platforms is not like a super
deep category like in terms of being like, oh, Hall
of Fame worthy like that.
Speaker 3: It does, you got some you got some big boys
of spyro still not in.
Speaker 1: There, right, but I'm just do.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's Prince of per Sands of Time is
not a plam right kind of action adventure edge.
Speaker 1: Rayman two is kind of where I'm like, that is
probably the one I'm thinking about.
Speaker 3: It's adventure.
Speaker 1: No, I couldn't uh, all right, Raymond to does it
have a subtitle?
Speaker 3: Great Escape? Hell? You know, I know all the subtitles.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're you're a mister subtitle.
Speaker 2: Yes, Sean made a Jedi or Jedi outcast like five
joke today, I was like, careful, Micha will pop up
and just say the whole thing right now, so watch out.
Speaker 3: Fact it's Jack and Das the Precursor's Legacy.
Speaker 1: I believe. Oh my god, we're talking about something. Is
it really? I've never heard of that, but me knows that.
Speaker 2: All right, So then your nominees are Jack and Daxter
the Precursor's Legacy. I guess Astro's Playroom, Ratchet and Clank Banjo,
because do we psychonauts?
Speaker 1: Rayman to the Great Escape? Vote?
Speaker 5: Excuse me?
Speaker 1: Just Precursor Legacy. It's not obsessive. I feel like an idiot.
You should be embarrassed.
Speaker 2: I think how works is you could just vote for one,
You vote for your one, and then the top two
vote getters get in, so it's it's it's rough out there.
There is a chance maybe in the future we might
shift it to ranked voting, if that's a possibility something
we could do and discord a bet it is these days,
but for now we'll keep it this way. You vote
for one, the one you want to get in, and
only two will make it of these six. We will
have the results for you on Gamis Decides next week.
All right, I did say there was a few things
I would wrap up with with Bungie and all that stuff,
just like a break before we do that. Actually, that's
a good idea. All right, We're gonna take a quick break.
We'll talk about that right after this. All right, we're back,
and as promised, a little bit more on Bungee information
stuff like that. I want to make sure that like
I'm like clarify, I like double checked with my source.
Speaker 1: It might not. It's probably not accurate to say that like.
Speaker 2: Luke and Mark were like laid off or like they
but they left as part of the restructuring. The difference
there being they probably were like understood what was happening
and left of their own accord or made their own
separate deal. I don't exactly have the details into that,
but saying that they were laid off might not be
the best way of putting it, but they are no
longer at Bungie though. Also, like, if we're wondering why
payback is like, doesn't it make more sense to just
invest in whatever's next for Destiny? Why not invest more
in payback instead of what like destiny too and keeping
that going? When I talk to people, the way they
put is like that would just cost so much more
money and Bungie does not have the liberty does that
cannot take that liberty right now.
Speaker 1: They have to be cutting costs first. That is the
number one priority.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's what's going Also, that's so like I
know Tom Warren is out there saying AVOUD might have
been pushed to Q one. I can't like confirm that,
but what I'm but the rumblings are that does sound
like that's probably right. You saw that you saw a
VOUD was not playable at games come right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's not a good sign.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if it needs to be delayed, I'm
glad they're delaying it, but that you're right, I hope.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's not give sign for it coming out this year,
not for the game whatever yea. You know me, I'm
like the one person who seems to be excited for
a vout a time.
Speaker 1: So right, and I hope it it comes together.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it sounds like it could be have actually
moved to Q one at least that's what Tom Warren's saying.
Speaker 1: And I usually trust Tom and those things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brabe, Lynch is a good point in chat. It
makes sense. Maybe get out of the wave of dragon age.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like a good idea at this point.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see here, let's see okay, all right, Yeah, Mike,
what have you been.
Speaker 3: Playing a lot of Dark Souls? Actually, I've been streaming
that a lot. It's a you know, hey, yeah, it's
one of the best games ever. But he's right, right,
it's a ton of fun. I am enjoying it a
good amount. Got to go to some iconic locations. I
also got to go to a place that everybody seems
to hate, this kind of underground lava section. Everyone's like,
oh they really, this is like where they've ran out
of time or something. And yeah, it wasn't the best
place in the world. It wasn't too bad. So I
got to the final boss of the place, and it
wasn't even really like a boss you fight. You just
kind of have to like hit a few weak points
while he's swatting at you, and like the floor crumbles
below you you can fall to your desk. That was
fucking dumb. So I didn't like that. But aside from that,
and still some of the annoying runbacks after you die,
mostly just been having fantastic times. It's a hard game
to ju I would.
Speaker 2: Agree that that they would be annoying. I haven't spent
too much time with games like that. I've done it
in some games.
Speaker 1: Do you see any sort of poetry or whatever to
the runbacks?
Speaker 3: The only things I can imagine about would be like, well,
it's exciting because it's risky because you might like lose
your souls if you die before you can get back there. Well,
and even once that happens, you still got to keep
doing it. It's at a point where I was like, man,
just take my souls away the first time I die
to a boss and spaw me by the door, like
that will be the tax i pay. It's just because
a lot and sometimes there's not even any enemies on
the way, So no, not really, there's nothing. There's there's
no benefit to it, and that's why it's just not
a thing in elden Ring for the most part. Right,
that's why they invented the Stakes America. And even without
the Stakes of America, the Bonfires are more plentiful and
more generous with how close they are to bosses a
lot of the time.
Speaker 2: Right in elder Ring, you're saying, yeah in elder Ring, Yeah,
I've been watching you play here and there, and I
don't know, it just looks it looks like a lot
of fun.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 2: I do want to like spend more time with it.
It started up when you did. But uh, you know,
I'm like, oh, that would be fun to stream actually,
so I think maybe once you're done doing it, I
might give that more.
Speaker 1: Of a chance.
Speaker 3: What people like watching? Yeah, what's fun streams?
Speaker 1: Yes? What's the plan after this?
Speaker 3: Is it? Like?
Speaker 2: Hey, you know, we've got the from momentum going. Do
you kind of go to Dark Souls two three or whatever?
Speaker 3: I mean, I want to go to some of the
other Souls games eventually, for sure, And like I was
kind of wavering, like do I probably was like, Oh,
I kind of want to play Dark Souls three? Because
everybody seems to really like that, whereas Dark Souls too.
It's either people like are upset about it or they're like, oh,
it's not that bad, but guilt is probably gonna make
me play Dark Souls two before I do three. Maybe
I could justify doing like Secoro first, but I probably
would just do Dark Soules two. Maybe not right away.
There are a lot of things I want to play.
I saw I have to beat Kinomoch two for my
December stream. Oh there's a game called FM Fantasy sixteen
that I am really thinking. I need to go and
finish and play through things like that. And I'm also
been getting in hankering to play those other Mega Man
Legends games Misadventures of Tron Bond and Megan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what, I would love to watch
that if you're going to stream that, that would be fun.
Speaker 3: I made such a mood for those since Tohn Shaunson's
like capcom video that came out a bit ago and
he just raves about him. I was like, man when
I played Megmal Legends one that did freaking rule. So
you know, there's there's only so much time as a
thing that these are big beefy games. I'm about a
bit like twenty two hours into Dark Souls one, and
i'd be close to the end, except I'm going to
go do the DLC stuff soon. I have no idea
how long that is. I assume it's not like forty
hours long like Tres or whatever, but you know, I
might just be somewhat beefy, so I was probably still
have like five six hours at least left in there.
Speaker 1: Cool. Yeah, those have been fun streams. I've been enjoying them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it's been I played Thank Goodness you're here.
I talked about that on the Nintendo podcast earlier this week.
Speaker 1: Was great.
Speaker 2: I'm still thinking about it a lot now that it's out.
Everyone should check it out. I think it's worth playing
through for sure. And then it's still been in a
lot of Nintendo World Championships and things like that, because
that's like when I'm like, I've been busy this week, Well,
I think that's the one I like just pick up
when I hit my brain's like, I have a couple
of minutes. I want to play something that is so
easy for me to pick up and try a couple
of runs. And I'm doing the thing where I will.
I will have a half an hour and I will
be trying the same like mush zoom two thing and
trying to shave off to one hundreds of a second,
and I'll spend half an hour not make any progress,
and then the next time I pick it up on
the second try, I get to those two one hundreds
of a second on the like that immediately. So it's like,
oh yeah, that's always reminder of like once I relax,
I come in there and the neurons have connected and
I could just do it now because I understand what
I need to do, and I was just kind of
getting my in my own way previously, and I still
really enjoy that, but I am kind of looking for
the next game to play. I also I want to
clean up, you know, a thousand year doors still, but
there's a lot coming out, a lot, yes, a lot
of games still to play this year, so I just
want to like look around real quick and see if
there's anything I.
Speaker 1: Want to hit before all that starts happening. But in
the meantime, yeah, I don't know. We'll get through this
weekend with Summer Slam, and then on the other side
of it, I'll start looking for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that game excited.
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely, all right, Mike, do we got any more super.
Speaker 3: Chats we did? Let's see here now from Big Fresh
three seven says three four three should be calling Luke
right now. You know a lot of possibilities there. Hopefully
we'll see what happened. I did see three four three?
Was I once to do?
Speaker 1: Is that mentioned?
Speaker 3: Like, hey, we're hiring, by the way, so it could
be interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 3: Then, Alex says, tell Bun Yellow, I assume that this
Alex is not Alex Banning. Tell Bun Yellow you think
liquid death is crap?
Speaker 1: You coward? You want?
Speaker 3: I mean they are Alex already knows what I think
about liquid depth. That's the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll tell them.
Speaker 2: But the problem is, like Alex uh said the same thing,
like on that voicemail today that the uh the flavored
ones aren't that good.
Speaker 1: And that's what I feel the same way. I did
try it.
Speaker 2: Just I tried to water out of the can and
it's like, yeah, this is good water, but it's not.
I don't get the way people are like this is
just so much better than any other water out of
any other device or vessel, like, yeah, it's cool out
of an allumin can does feel colder. I do like that, sure,
but I don't think it's as good as fast food
water and a cup with ice like that's even better.
So I'll just get that and that's a quarter if
you want the large cup. Is any other super Chats
Mike looks.
Speaker 3: Like that's it.
Speaker 1: You know what, Then I'm gonna hit the button. Let's
get out of here.
Speaker 2: You got going on this weekend, mikey, Oh yes, oh yeah, wait,
actually you're right, Christian, can you mention that thing real quick?
Speaker 4: Yeah. Matt Rare Monkey is a friend of the community,
is running I'll go fund the go fund me to
to raise some money to help his partner do some
like medical stuff that they need. So I'm gonna be
blasting the chat with the GoFundMe, so please support them.
Speaker 1: Help them out. Please.
Speaker 2: Has been there for a very long time. We want
to to help our community when they take care of
our own.
Speaker 3: I've already sent a donation in there, so please take
a look at that everything.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be on the podcast description and everywhere, so
please support them.
Speaker 2: There's the link right now in chat, so check it out,
all right, Yep, we were gonna be hanging out this weekend, Mike,
I can't wait.
Speaker 3: Gross. I mean, yes, it'll be fun, be a good time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Summer Slam, it's gonna be a lot of wrestling.
What time should we get there?
Speaker 1: Like what?
Speaker 3: God, I don't know, because some people are like, it's
not really going to be eight hours long, it's be
four hours long. I'm like, well, why did they want?
Speaker 1: I mean, if there's a pre show and stuff. But
I mean, I guess I kind of.
Speaker 3: Chris pret said everyone's gone to everything's gone to ship
since we stopped stomping loop. You're right, Chris Son.
Speaker 1: Thank you Chris so much. You God, You're so cool.
Speaker 3: You know, I know it's not possible. Would it be
so amazing if it was just actually Chris?
Speaker 2: That would I there's a chance I would die, a
chance I would laugh so hard that I would die.
Speaker 3: I would never suffer another bad thing said about that man.
He would that we'd be boys for life, stopping somebody
like the one time where I did laugh.
Speaker 2: So there's been several times where life, but that one
of the times I left the hardest where I almost
blacked out was Chris Pratt named as Mario's voice actor,
and so are you.
Speaker 3: You almost die?
Speaker 2: I like almost fell out of my chair, like for shoot,
actually almost like the black spots in front of my
eyes because I stopped breathing because I was laughing so hard.
Speaker 1: It was. It was an amazing moment. So yeah, thanks
Chris Pratt. Glad you're always listening. It means a lot.
All right, everybody, we're gonna get out of here.
Speaker 2: You have a safe weekend, take care of yourself, have
a good one, and goodbye.
Speaker 3: Oh doing that sound an animal?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Dan, it's Dan.
Speaker 4: Tell I see evidence that the world is around.
Speaker 5: I'm not believing a damn thing.
Speaker 1: I have been plenty horny.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I don't get horny.
Speaker 1: I stay horny. Go beat it by yourself. We support
beating it.
Speaker 3: It's this plasation would get my seventy dollars if they
launch schemes. They want a PC. We're in the heck
of the minsules PC low. Thank you, hitch, Thank you, hitch.
Speaker 1: By everybody break all right, we'll be yep, I'm good
to go to Just let me get stuff here, all right.
I'll bring us back.
Speaker 4: Uh all right, we can do it once a year
if you want to Okay, I gets it.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: Path of the tier Lotus.
Speaker 2: I did see that CODEO and that's the one that
Mary mentioned, And honestly, I'm like that b B under
or overscore?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 2: I don't know the b O path of the tier
Lotus I saw that. I like that kind of reminds
me of nine Souls, so I wasn't sure if I
was conflating them.
Speaker 4: If don't you miss renting games like going to a
place and rent a b Yes, so much miss.
Speaker 1: It's like I will.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite memories, a formative memory, is playing
Hooky and then my parents, like being just old enough
that my parents could leave me at home while playing Hooky,
walking down like a couple of blocks to go to
the video rental store during school and renting Technobil and
taking it home and playing that and the guy the
thing being like shouldn't you be in school? And I'm like,
shouldn't you shut your fucking mouth.
Speaker 1: And like, I don't know, man, just give just give
me the goddamn game. And went home and I played it.
It was a good day. It was a very good day.
And now here I am right.
Speaker 5: It for me.
Speaker 1: All led to this, all right, get set up over here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you just crop the slide and then I
should have everything based off of that.
Speaker 1: All right, cool, let me turn off shown on video
participants and.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that gift.
Speaker 1: They're just crop to the slide. Yeah yeah, yeah cool, Yeah,
that's what ye cool got you and.
Speaker 5: Then I have the other half this love producing.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's how it goes everybody.
Speaker 4: And to get that fiber.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I washut fiber.
Speaker 4: I wish I have fibers so bad.
Speaker 1: If I had. I don't know what I would do
if I had one gig upload. Oh my god, it
would be I would be irresponsible. I would bear responsible.
Speaker 5: You know how fucking long it takes me uploads on
the giant bomb dot com right now?
Speaker 1: What is your upload speed?
Speaker 5: Ah, I'm trying to I'm trying to make sure I
don't get the number wrong. I think it's twenty.
Speaker 1: Oh. I'm like, I'm at like forty five. That's rough.
Speaker 5: I had to Chris. It's bad out here, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got like yeah, they're just like no one
ever needs uploads. Yeah, you're just a consumer.
Speaker 5: You could see one hundred down twenty up. So yeah,
that's why it takes me so freaking a long to
gathing on the site by when Jan's away.
Speaker 4: Oh, I got work with he. He lives in a
place where Ivory is available and he just he just
pay the guy that installs the thing, just out of Puckett.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how we used to do back in the day,
Like you would tip the cable install guy and he
would give you the D scrambler for the porn channels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was exactly what I said, Like he always
those were the good old days. My grandpa and stole
cable his entire life. Hell yeah, I think I still
have one of those D scramblers somewhere. It never worked
for me though.
Speaker 5: It cost It costs way more than it's worth.
Speaker 4: I tell you that, it's so expensive and he's so
bad all the time.
Speaker 3: I don't think you have newdy channels.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think we are.
Speaker 2: Well, let me fix our cameras because I look very
little and you look larger in charge.
Speaker 1: Let's see here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no problem, rough times with all the the scrambles
and scrambler.
Speaker 5: St five a month for fiber in l A.
Speaker 1: Alright, the fuck, Holy moly, Nikki, don't tell me.
Speaker 5: That now I really need again on this hype house.
Jan keeps talking about.
Speaker 3: It'd be like Ero Online in the nineties. We're going
to live in a cabin.
Speaker 1: I think we are good to goodis.
Speaker 4: A nikky Grayson house. Let's go. What's happening the John
Bone streaming house?
Speaker 1: All right, I'm ready. I'll bring us back.
Speaker 4: Let's go.