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<v Speaker 1>All right, ready to dive into some open source intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a stack of excerpts here from Open Source

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<v Speaker 1>Intelligence Techniques by Michael Bizell, ninth edition. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you really weren't kidding about a deep dive. I mean, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this book, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot, but it's fascinating stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. You know, it's kind of wild to

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<v Speaker 1>think about how much the world of investigation has changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the book even mentions how some like veteran police chiefs,

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<v Speaker 1>they were totally skeptical of this whole internet investigation thing

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I read that. It's true though, and now forget

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<v Speaker 2>about it. It's indispensable, not just for law enforcement either, journalists, cybersecurity.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's using it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're preaching to the choir. But that's what makes this

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<v Speaker 1>deep dive so important, right, Everyone wants to be good

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<v Speaker 1>at osent these days, but you got to start.

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<v Speaker 2>With the basics, you got it, and there's no better

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<v Speaker 2>place to start than with setting up a secure environment.

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<v Speaker 2>The book calls it your ocent lab.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, an ocent lab. It sounds kind of high tech

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe even a little intimidating, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Not really think of it, like think of it like

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<v Speaker 2>a detective wanting a clean crime scene. You don't want

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<v Speaker 2>your own stuff messing up the evidence, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You want that pristine environment where you can be sure

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<v Speaker 1>everything you're finding is legit exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So you got to create that digital equivalent. And the

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<v Speaker 2>book is great about this because it walks you through

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<v Speaker 2>it step by step. It even recommends a free anti

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<v Speaker 2>virus called clam.

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<v Speaker 1>A clam of v Okay, is that one of the

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<v Speaker 1>really well known ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, it's not flashy, but it gets the job done.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of it like, hmm, a sniffer dog. It might

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<v Speaker 2>not be the prettiest breed at the dog show, but

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<v Speaker 2>it can sniff out those dangerous files that could be

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<v Speaker 2>lurking on your computer, even if you think your system

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<v Speaker 2>is clean.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So it's like a safety net. Yeah, even if

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<v Speaker 1>you're pretty sure your system is secure. Clama v is

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<v Speaker 1>there just.

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<v Speaker 2>In case, exactly. And once you've got that first line

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<v Speaker 2>of defense. Bizelle talks about KEYPASSXC. This is huge. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an offline password manager.

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<v Speaker 1>Offline, so it's not like those other ones that are

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<v Speaker 1>you know, connected to the cloud.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, And that's it. It's like imagine trying to rob

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<v Speaker 2>a safe that's been airlifted to like a secret island.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's a visual I get it. So offline equals

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<v Speaker 1>super secure. What happens if you forget your master password? Though?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you like totally locked out?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just say it's important to chose a good one

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<v Speaker 2>and keep it safe. But yeah, that's the trade off

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<v Speaker 2>for that extra security. Okay, so you've got your secure environment.

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<v Speaker 2>You're feeling good.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what time to start investigating?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Bizell introduces this really cool tool called Boothscador, And

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<v Speaker 2>this this is where things get really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Boskador sounds like mysterious and kind of powerful. What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>So? Imagine you have a toolbox, right, but instead of

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<v Speaker 2>hammers and wrenches, it's full of specialized digital tools for OSENT.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I like where this is going. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just some app you download, it's a whole

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<v Speaker 2>custom built Linux virtual machine.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, a virtual machine? Does that mean I need to

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to use Linux?

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to be a Linux wisdom't worry. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>it's having a separate computer inside your computer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, so I'm not actually messing around with my own.

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<v Speaker 2>System files exactly. It's like wearing gloves at a crime scene.

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<v Speaker 2>You're interacting with the evidence, but there's a barrier protecting you. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>are you ready for one of the coolest tools in

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<v Speaker 2>this buscador.

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<v Speaker 1>Kit always hitvy of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called the Metadata tool. Have you ever heard of metadata?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like every digital file, a picture, a document, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>it's got this hidden information embedded within it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like the data was created, stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That, but it can get way more specific, like who

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<v Speaker 2>authored a document, what camera was used to take a photo?

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<v Speaker 2>Even GPS coordinates sometimes no.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, So it's like what digital DNA or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of is. In this tool, it lets you

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<v Speaker 2>analyze even remove that hidden data. So let's say you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at a document someone claims they wrote, but the

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<v Speaker 2>metadata says otherwise busted. Or maybe a photos metadata places

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<v Speaker 2>it at a suspects house. It's digital detective work at

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<v Speaker 2>its finest.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the Metadata tool. That's seriously cool. It's like having

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<v Speaker 1>X ray vision for digital files. But what about something

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<v Speaker 1>a little more you know in the moment, like say

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<v Speaker 1>there's a live event happening, something breaking newsworthy. Can boost

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<v Speaker 1>godor handle that kind of real time stuff? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, it's got this tool called the Video Stream Tool,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not just about watching a live stream, it's

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<v Speaker 2>about actually capturing it, like archiving that digital evidence before

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<v Speaker 2>it disappears.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, I see what you mean. So, like, if

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<v Speaker 1>there's a protest happening, or maybe even a suspects live stream,

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<v Speaker 1>you can hit record with this tool and save that

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<v Speaker 1>footage for later.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Think of it as a DVR for like the

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<v Speaker 2>entire Internet. It's invaluable in those situations where every second counts.

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<v Speaker 1>That is seriously powerful stuff. Okay, shifting gears a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say we're trying to build a profile of someone online.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we've got their username and email address something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Can Boostkador help us connect those dots? You bet?

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<v Speaker 2>Bouskador has what's called the Username Email Tool, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>designed to do us that. It's like having a master

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<v Speaker 2>key that unlocks a whole network of online profiles connected

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<v Speaker 2>to that single identifier.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like those movies where they type in a name

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<v Speaker 1>and boom, all these files and photos pop up on

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, social media, forums, online shopping, you name it. This

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<v Speaker 2>tool helps you paint a much fuller picture of someone's

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<v Speaker 2>online presence.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that's Bouskador, a seriously impressive toolbox. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we get too far down the rabbit hole of specialized tools,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about good old fashioned online research. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Google's still king.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, absolutely, but it's not just about typing in a

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<v Speaker 2>few keywords and hoping for the best. The book goes

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<v Speaker 2>into a lot of detail about maximizing your Google Foo

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the easiest yet most effective tips quotation marks.

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<v Speaker 1>Quotation marks really like for an exact phrase exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Say you're looking for open source intelligence techniques, specifically, put

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<v Speaker 2>that whole phrase in quotes, and Google knows to find

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<v Speaker 2>exact matches, not just pages that happen to have those

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<v Speaker 2>words scattered around.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that makes sense. It's like, what narrowing down your

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<v Speaker 1>search results? Yeah, making them super specific.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it. It's like using a laser pointer instead

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<v Speaker 2>of a floodlight. Then there are search operators.

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<v Speaker 1>Search operators those sound kind of technical.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like little codes you can use to refine your

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<v Speaker 2>searches even further.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, inural lets, you find websites with specific keywords

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<v Speaker 2>in their web address. So you want government websites ineral

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<v Speaker 2>dot gov will narrow down those results for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah. Okay, so it's like adding filters to your search

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<v Speaker 1>to weed out all the irrelevant stuff. Very cool. What

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<v Speaker 1>about when you need to like travel back in time

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<v Speaker 1>digitally speaking?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, I know what you mean. The book actually

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<v Speaker 2>talks about using Google's date range filter with the wayback machine.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard of that one wayback machine. Yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>what an archive of the Internet. You can see how

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<v Speaker 1>websites used.

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<v Speaker 2>To look exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So by combining those two tools, you can actually see

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<v Speaker 2>how a website looked at different points in time, even

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<v Speaker 2>if the content has been deleted or changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that is like digital archaeology. Okay, so we've got

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<v Speaker 1>Google working for us on a whole new level. But

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<v Speaker 1>what about those times when even Google doesn't cut it?

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<v Speaker 1>Are there other search engines out there that might have

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<v Speaker 1>different information?

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<v Speaker 2>You're thinking like a true osent investigator, It's all about

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<v Speaker 2>having the right tool for the job. The book recommends

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<v Speaker 2>exploring other search engines like showdan for example, showdan.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what's special about that one? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Showdan is interesting because it's not just searching websites. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a search engine for Internet connected devices.

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<v Speaker 1>Devices. Wait, so I could search for like all the

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<v Speaker 1>webcams in a certain city.

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<v Speaker 2>You absolutely could. Now we're focusing on the ethical applications here,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, but yeah, Showdan is a powerful tool for researchers,

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<v Speaker 2>security professionals, anyone who needs to understand the landscape of

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<v Speaker 2>connected devices. Now, if you're looking for information about people,

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<v Speaker 2>the book mentions a tool called piple Piple.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that's one of those what people finder type.

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<v Speaker 2>Websites kind of but think of it like Peoplefinder on steroids,

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<v Speaker 2>designed to uncover those online profiles, social media accounts, even

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<v Speaker 2>blog posts that regular search engines might miss.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that's intense. So it sounds like the key

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<v Speaker 1>takeaway here is don't limit yourself exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Google's a great starting point, but it's not the end all,

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<v Speaker 2>be all. Explore those specialized search engines and remember each

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<v Speaker 2>one has its own strength. It's all about choosing the

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<v Speaker 2>right tool for the task at hand, and of course,

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<v Speaker 2>using them ethically and responsibly.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of ethical considerations, I think it's time we dive

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<v Speaker 1>into the world of social media investigations. That's a whole

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<v Speaker 1>other ballgame, right, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Could say that again, social media it's a gold mine

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<v Speaker 2>of information, but it's also a mine field ethically speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to tread carefully.

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<v Speaker 1>So before we even think about creating a fake profile

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that, what are the ground rules for

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<v Speaker 1>social media? Ows it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the book is really clear about this. Transparency and

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<v Speaker 2>legality are key. No hacking, no impersonating others. You've got

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<v Speaker 2>to respect people's privacy and operate within the law.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so digital detect not digital spies exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gathering information ethically, not trying to, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>ruin anyone's life. Speaking of which, the book highly recommends

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<v Speaker 2>creating separate accounts specifically for your ocent work.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that makes sense. So your personal life and

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<v Speaker 1>your investigator life don't get all.

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<v Speaker 2>Mixed up exactly. You don't want someone you're investigating to

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly see you liking their vacation photos.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a good look. But okay, let's say we've got

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<v Speaker 1>our separate accounts all set up. Where do we even

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<v Speaker 1>begin with social media investigations. There's so much information out

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<v Speaker 1>there it can be overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, but the book breaks it down really well.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it dives deep into Twitter, showing you how to

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<v Speaker 2>uncover those hidden connections between users even how to view

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<v Speaker 2>deleted tweets using the wayback machine.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, hold on deleted tweets. You mean those can still

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the Internet never forgets. Even if something's deleted,

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<v Speaker 2>traces of it often remain. It's all about knowing where

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<v Speaker 1>So like, some of could try to erase their digital tracks,

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<v Speaker 1>but a good osent investigator could still find them.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it. And it's not just about what people

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's interesting. So like, what I like on social

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<v Speaker 2>It reveals your interests, your connections, your online behavior patterns.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like being a digital psychologist or something. But social

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<v Speaker 1>media is just one piece of the puzzle, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we leave digital traces everywhere online, not just on

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<v Speaker 2>Social media is just the tip of the iceberg. Every

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<v Speaker 2>The book calls these data trails, and it goes deep

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, data trails, I like it. So we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>like following the digital footprints people leave behind, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And just like a single footprint can tell a detective

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<v Speaker 1>So give me an example. What kind of digital breadcrumbs

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's start with something I bet you've used before,

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<v Speaker 1>Reverse image search, Oh yeah, like when you want to

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<v Speaker 2>That's one use, but the book talks about how it

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<v Speaker 2>can be much more powerful than that. Let's say you

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<v Speaker 2>their presence on platforms you might not even think of, Pinterest,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, I see what you mean. It's like using

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<v Speaker 2>It highlights how interconnected everything is these days. But sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now we're getting into some seriously cloak and dagger territory.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of hidden information are we talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you've probably heard about data breaches, right when hackers

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, those are always in the news. It seems

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<v Speaker 2>It's a huge problem, and it's a reminder that digital

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<v Speaker 2>security is an ongoing battle. But for ocent investigators, these

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<v Speaker 2>data breaches can actually be a valuable source of information.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, you're saying that investigators sometimes use this stolen data.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more nuanced than that. It's not about condoning these

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<v Speaker 2>access it and analyze it can be crucial for certain investigations.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like infiltrating the hacker's layer, but instead of

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<v Speaker 1>stealing anything, you're using the information to I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>Or something exactly. It's all about using this information ethically

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<v Speaker 2>and responsibly. The book talks about the importance of understanding

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<v Speaker 2>the source of the data, verifying its authenticity, and always

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that makes sense. You don't want to be presenting

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<v Speaker 1>illegally exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And that brings us to another important point.

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<v Speaker 1>Pastes pastes, I think I missed that one. What are those? So?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, and why are those important? They sound kind

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you might think these little bits of text are insignificant,

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<v Speaker 2>but they can actually linger online long after the original

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<v Speaker 1>Ah. I see. So it's like finding a scrap of

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<v Speaker 1>paper with someone's handwriting on it. It might seem like nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>but it could be a valuable clue exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And these digital crumbs can turn up in some unexpected places.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about knowing where to look.

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<v Speaker 1>My mind is officially blown. This is all so fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of overwhelming at the same time. I hear you.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the thing about osin. It's a constantly evolving field.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always something new to learn, a new tool to discover.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, speaking of learning and discovering, what other osent secret

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<v Speaker 1>does the book have in store for us? I'm ready

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<v Speaker 1>for more.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, get this. The book doesn't just stop at the basics.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes deep on some seriously powerful tools. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>advanced Linux tools.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Linux, I'm not gonna lie. That always sounds a

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<v Speaker 1>little intimidating. Is this part of the book just for

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<v Speaker 1>the tech wizards out there? Or can a regular person

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to be a coding genius. Don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>The book actually does a great job of explaining everything,

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<v Speaker 2>even the complicated stuff, in a way that like anyone

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's reassuring.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of fit this way. You're a detective, right and

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<v Speaker 2>you've got your trusty tools, magnifying glass, fingerprint kit, the classics.

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<v Speaker 2>These Linux tools, they're like adding a whole high tech

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now that's an image. I like the sound of that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I gotta be honest. The idea of like messing

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<v Speaker 1>around with Linux on my computer makes me a little nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>And you should be cautious. But you don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>be scared. The book walks you through this whole whole

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<v Speaker 2>process of setting up something called a virtual machine. It's

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<v Speaker 2>basically like imagine running a completely separate operating system, a.

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<v Speaker 1>Separate operating system on my computer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, inside your computer. It's like a computer inside your computer.

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<v Speaker 2>And in this case, that separate operating system would be Linux.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, So it's like a safe space. If I

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<v Speaker 1>mess something up, it's not going to affect my actual

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<v Speaker 2>It's self contained. It's like imagine you're a chef and

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<v Speaker 2>you have a separate kitchen just for experimenting with new recipes.

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<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't want to risk messing up your main kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that's a great analogy. So I've got my virtual machine,

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<v Speaker 1>my safe space all set up. What kind of tools

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<v Speaker 1>are we talking about here? Give me the good stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>One of the first ones the book introduces is called

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<v Speaker 2>the harvester.

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<v Speaker 1>The harvester, okay, sounds intriguing. What does it do?

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<v Speaker 2>So imagine you're investigating a company, right, and you need

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<v Speaker 2>to find out all the email addresses they use or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe uncover any subdomains they might have. The harvester is

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<v Speaker 2>like sending out this team of digital scouts to gather

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<v Speaker 2>that information for you automatically.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of like manually searching for hours on end,

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<v Speaker 1>the harvester just goes out and finds it.

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<v Speaker 2>All for me exactly. It automates that whole initial phase

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<v Speaker 2>of information gathering. Then there's METAGOOFHIL. Remember how we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about metadata earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that hidden data in digital files, right.

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<v Speaker 2>METAGOOFHIL is like a forensic expert that specializes in extracting

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it can tell you things like what who

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<v Speaker 2>That's just the beginning. It can even tell you things

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<v Speaker 2>like what software they used to create it, where it's

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<v Speaker 2>most people don't even know exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's amazing. It's like finding a hidden signature on

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<v Speaker 1>a document or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of is, and that kind of information can

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<v Speaker 2>be incredibly useful for verification. Like let's say you have

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<v Speaker 2>a document and you need to know for sure if

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<v Speaker 2>it's authentic. Metagoofl can help you figure that out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we've got our digital scouts, got our forensic experts.

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<v Speaker 1>What other specialists are in this Linux toolkit?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, once you've gathered all this information, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>make sense of it, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's one thing to click data, but it's another

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<v Speaker 1>thing entirely to actually understand what it all means exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where a tool called Maltago comes in.

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<v Speaker 1>Multago, Kay, I'm ready. What does Maltago do?

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<v Speaker 2>So imagine this. You're in a detective movie, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>you've got that classic scene where they're in a dark

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<v Speaker 2>room pinning photos and notes to a giant corkboard, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to connect the dots. That's basically what Maltiego does, but

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<v Speaker 2>in the digital world.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like what a mind mapping tool for investigators?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It's a data visualization tool that helps you see

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<v Speaker 2>the relationships between all those different pieces of information you've collected.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about connecting the dots and seeing the bigger picture.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. But I got to ask, all of this

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<v Speaker 1>relies on actually having data to work with in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place, right, So where are we finding all this

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<v Speaker 1>raw material for our investigations.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question, and it brings us to one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most controversial yet undeniably valuable sources of information

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<v Speaker 2>in the oscent world, data breaches and leaks.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we're talking about those situations where hackers break

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<v Speaker 1>into a company's system and steal a bunch of sensitive information,

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<v Speaker 1>like I've definitely seen those headlines exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a constant reminder that in the digital age, no

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<v Speaker 2>system is foolproof, and unfortunately, these breaches often result in

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<v Speaker 2>massive amounts of personal information ending up in the wrong hands.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the digital equivalent of someone rummaging through your

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<v Speaker 2>It's an unsettling thought and it's a huge problem. But

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<v Speaker 2>for ocent investigators, these breaches can also be a source

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<v Speaker 2>of valuable information.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, really, you're saying investigators sometimes use this stolen data.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not quite that simple. It's not about condoning these

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<v Speaker 2>breaches or trying to profit from someone else's misfortune. It's

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<v Speaker 2>about understanding that this information is often already circulating online

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<v Speaker 2>and knowing how to access it and analyze it can

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<v Speaker 2>be crucial for certain types of investigations.

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<v Speaker 1>So like if you're trying to track down a criminal

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe find a missing person, this leaked data could

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<v Speaker 1>provide a critical lead exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a morally complex landscape. That's why the book

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<v Speaker 2>really stresses the ethical considerations. We're not talking about like

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<v Speaker 2>exploiting people's misfortune or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, because that would make you know better than the

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<v Speaker 1>hackers who stole in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It's all about using this information responsibly and legally,

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<v Speaker 2>and that means understanding the source of the data, making

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<v Speaker 2>sure it's authentic, and being completely transparent about where your

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we've talked about finding the information, analyzing it,

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<v Speaker 1>verifying it. But what about the final product, Like, how

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<v Speaker 1>do we take all this raw data and turn it

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<v Speaker 1>into something actually useful.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, that's where the rubber meets the road, right. The

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<v Speaker 2>book dedicates a whole section to this analyzing, documenting, and

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<v Speaker 2>reporting your OSENT findings.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not enough to just like be a digital detective.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to be a storyteller.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, exactly because at the end of the day, the

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<v Speaker 2>goal is to uncover the truth and then communicate that

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<v Speaker 2>truth effectively. Whether it's writing a report, creating a presentation,

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<v Speaker 2>or even just explaining your findings to someone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about taking all that complex data and turning it

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<v Speaker 1>into a story that people can understand. Wow, this has

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<v Speaker 1>been an incredible deep dive. I mean we've covered so

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<v Speaker 1>much ground, from basic Google searches to advance Linux tools

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<v Speaker 1>and even the ethically complex world of data breaches.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot to take in, but hopefully our listeners

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<v Speaker 2>are starting to see that Oscent isn't some mysterious dark

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<v Speaker 2>art practiced only by like spies and hackers. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>skill set that anyone can learn and use in their

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<v Speaker 2>own life.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. It's about becoming an information detective, and like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not about being some kind of tech genius. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about having the right mindset, the right tools, and always

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<v Speaker 1>always remembering the ethical implications of the work well set.

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<v Speaker 1>This is definitely one of those topics that we could

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<v Speaker 1>probably talk about for days, but alas all good things

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<v Speaker 1>must come to an end.

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<v Speaker 2>For now, at least, There's always more to explore in

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<v Speaker 2>the world of Oocent, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But until next time, keep those detective hats handy and

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<v Speaker 1>remember the truth is out there, just waiting to be uncovered.
