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<v Speaker 1>All right, Billy Cunningham, the Great America. We never stopped,

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<v Speaker 1>we never hesitate, We simply continued. Johan, You and I

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<v Speaker 1>now from the northern shore, the great state of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Bill Wills who got his chops right here in

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati through Lynchburg, Ohio. He was a morning man here

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<v Speaker 1>for quite a period of time and outgrew the market,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Tony Bender, and then moved up to Cleveland,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is a down draft, not a enough draft,

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<v Speaker 1>but nonetheless Bill Wills from TM and Cleveland. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Bill Cunningham Show. Bill Wills, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Legend? With that intro? Always an honor to beat with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly a joy with all we have going on

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<v Speaker 2>in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend, I'm watching the game, the game. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the Brownies, of course, Oh yeah, sure

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk. But the game last night between the Yankees

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<v Speaker 1>and the Guardians. I'm thinking, okay, it's over. The Yanks

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<v Speaker 1>F three zip, they're losing three to one, come back

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<v Speaker 1>five to three.

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<v Speaker 3>It's over.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, all of a sudden hell break list, it

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<v Speaker 1>was hatred, despair, all of a sudden glory. Explain the

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<v Speaker 1>emotions of last night's game between the Yankees and Guardians.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in the playoffs. The Reds likely never will be again.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me a full report.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to touch on the Reds and make Reds

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<v Speaker 2>fans feel good about what's happening in Cleveland because it

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<v Speaker 2>ties back to Terry Francona. Having said that I posted

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<v Speaker 2>last night. The game was every emotion. It was a wedding,

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<v Speaker 2>a funeral of baptism, a birth, and if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>Yankees fan, maybe a brisk It was absolutely amazing to

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<v Speaker 2>go through the night, back and forth. Our closer, Emmanuel

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<v Speaker 2>Classe up against Judge, he hits the home run, their

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<v Speaker 2>closer against ours and their closure goes out. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>walk off. In ten we're still down a game to

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<v Speaker 2>the Yankees. But now back to Terry, what you experienced

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<v Speaker 2>watching the Guardians last night. Bill was built by Terry.

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<v Speaker 2>Frankcone and Stephen Volte will tell you that the players

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<v Speaker 2>that we use, you know, we're twenty third in payroll,

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<v Speaker 2>Reger twenty fifth. Mary told you in his press conference

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<v Speaker 2>was of course I checked out on seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 2>He takes any ballplayer and tries to make him the

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<v Speaker 2>best he can. And those skills, those fundamentals in the

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<v Speaker 2>guys that are are now. You know, a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>games away from the World Series all were taught by

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<v Speaker 2>one Terry Francona. So I think the success that we're

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<v Speaker 2>enjoying in Cleveland, I think Reds fans may have down

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<v Speaker 2>the road, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, making sense, Terry Francona took this town by storm.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know this at the time, but when Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Edward Rose recently departed, was in Montreal, his roommate was

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Francona. They lived together, how about that one in

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<v Speaker 1>Montreal for about three or four months, And that's the connection.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the connection to Cincinnati right there. Plus he played

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Terry and I did a lot of radio shows

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<v Speaker 2>together because we carry them, and we always talked about

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati and he had so he's got great stories about

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<v Speaker 2>Marty Brenhaman and if you never get him on the

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<v Speaker 2>hear talk about those. He and Marty are very close.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure it's come out by now, But Marty,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure was very intricate, shall would say in getting

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<v Speaker 2>Terry and Miss Cascelini together. But I just want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting a great way. He's solid, he's enjoyable, he's

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<v Speaker 2>great to work with. And I really think and Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Boote will say that cleveland success this year really started

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<v Speaker 2>with the building blocks from Terry Francona.

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<v Speaker 1>No, let's talk about the Brownies, of course, on Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>Big Game. The Bengals have not won a game in

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland since twenty seventeen. That's like seven or eight in

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<v Speaker 1>a row lost. And now you've got Nick Chubb back.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm told by my Cleveland sources through the spirit

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<v Speaker 1>of Trevisano, that Deshaun Watson is about to have a

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<v Speaker 1>fabulous game and to a rise without an offensive line

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<v Speaker 1>with nobody to throw the ball to. And Nick Chubb

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<v Speaker 1>can't be any good, just out for about a year

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<v Speaker 1>with that serious knee injury. So what is this sentiment

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<v Speaker 1>in Cleveland, the Northern command of the State of Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>about the Big Game on Sunday? Do you care at

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<v Speaker 1>all about the game? Brownies have won one game this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and I worry about that. Are they poise for victory

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<v Speaker 1>or defeat? What do you say?

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Wills a couple of talking points. If Watson has

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<v Speaker 2>a great game, it'll be better than the Lazarus coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of the tomb. When it comes to Nick Chubb,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure anybody wants to run behind our line

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<v Speaker 2>because we just ain't got no line. And that's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the problems with Watson. He has very little protection

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<v Speaker 2>and his skills have been shall we say diminished. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Browns are one and five. My brother Joe is a

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<v Speaker 2>season ticket holder for your Cincinnati Bengals, and I talked

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<v Speaker 2>to him this week. He said, yeah, they score, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's no offense. But I mean our defense. The one

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<v Speaker 2>guy you got to worry about. Oh, his big Miles Garrett,

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<v Speaker 2>number ninety five. His arms Bill are as big as

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<v Speaker 2>my legs, and my legs are pretty big, so he's

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<v Speaker 2>in one jump for him. He's a man's man, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the defense has been the key for the Browns,

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<v Speaker 2>although we've only got one win to show for it

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<v Speaker 2>this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Miles Garrett, the rumor is he may be traded before

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<v Speaker 1>the trading deadline. Miles Garrett as a man's man and

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<v Speaker 1>woman's man, got a hairy ass, and the guy's strong,

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<v Speaker 1>tough and brave. He's going to be true supposedly because

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Haslam says that they're in a rebuilding product.

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<v Speaker 3>Again.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine the Browns at this point in a

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<v Speaker 1>rebuilding project with a terrible quarterback making a quarter of

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars a year running back just coming back, no

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line, nobody to throw the ball to, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Browns beat the Bengals' that's impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>Impossible, No, no, and the owner wants a new stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Deshaun Watson actually is twenty four for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four in lossuits bill. He settled twenty four on the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four so far. His ranking is better there than he.

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<v Speaker 3>Is on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got to keep his private parts inside of zippra.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a different problem. What's the sense of Jimmy Haslam

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<v Speaker 1>moving that brown He's out of the lakeside and moving

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty five miles. It'd be like the Bengals move

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<v Speaker 1>into Warren County or something. What's the sentiment of Cleveland?

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<v Speaker 1>Do Cleveland Browns fans care as long as they stay

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<v Speaker 1>in the Cleveland area?

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty to fifty. If your season ticket holder, it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be easier to get to your seats. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>a purist, you like playing them by the lake front,

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<v Speaker 2>the dome thing I think I'm mixed on. But the

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<v Speaker 2>problem is going to be who's spending the money. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think Columbus wants to help him because they know

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Mike Brown's gonna want whatever Jimmy gets right. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of land. As you and I talked

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of months ago, Bill, when the story broke

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<v Speaker 2>and you were on top of it. Of course, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of land around Burke, around the airport to

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<v Speaker 2>Cleveland Hopkins Airport, and the city offered to close Burke

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<v Speaker 2>lake Front, which is like closing Lunkin to say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>build there for you, and Haslim didn't want to do

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<v Speaker 2>it because he wants control. You follow the money, he

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<v Speaker 2>wants control of all the development, and that looks to

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<v Speaker 2>be the way they're going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll put a flying j in there at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>But my memory of the mistake on the lake was

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<v Speaker 1>going with Andy Furman to the last Bengals game there

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<v Speaker 1>with the Browns. There, the Browns fans were tearing apart

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<v Speaker 1>at the Municipal Stadium and behind the Browns bench and

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<v Speaker 1>ar before the game, I was introduced to a young

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<v Speaker 1>defensive coach named Nick Saban and Of course Andy Furman

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<v Speaker 1>knew Bill Belichick. So I'm standing there with Bill Belichick

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<v Speaker 1>and Nick Saban and I said, what's your name? He said,

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<v Speaker 1>my name's Nick Saban. I said, well, good luck to you.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Bill Belichick was quickly fired by the Browns.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course he couldn't coach, and out he won, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Browns fans tore apart the stadium, and I said

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<v Speaker 1>to the fur ball we need to get the hell

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<v Speaker 2>Not good, Yeah, pick up some pick up some of

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<v Speaker 2>those names you drop on the way home today.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, no question the mood.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to take several years, and I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>it's over yet. The county is not happy about. Nobody's

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<v Speaker 2>happy about. Plus, when you're one and five, nobody's happy.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're undefeated, then people they want to get on

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<v Speaker 2>the bandwagon to build a new stadium. But right now

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<v Speaker 2>everybody seems to be on the sidelines Bill except for

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<v Speaker 2>the owner who once.

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<v Speaker 1>Had done and Jimmy Haslam is some multi billion ere

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<v Speaker 1>The Forbes magazine came out that Mike Brown and his

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<v Speaker 1>family's worth about five billion dollars and he's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the poorer owners in the NFL. He's on the He's

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<v Speaker 1>on the breadline. And uh, Jimmy Haslam is worth about

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<v Speaker 1>ten to twelve billion. So what he wants is to

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<v Speaker 1>basically own Warren County. Moved the Bengals to Warren County,

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<v Speaker 1>move to Brown South. He has all the apartments, is

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<v Speaker 1>all the strip centers, has all the clubs, has all

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<v Speaker 1>the condos, and build like a large project. And Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Brown's not built that way. Mike Brown's not a great

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<v Speaker 1>businessman who wants to move thirty five miles away.

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<v Speaker 3>But Jimmy Haslam does. And is that going to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>According to the media types I read it yesterday, Tony

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<v Speaker 1>Benner gave me the story that it's a done deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it a done deal that he's moving? He can move.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the issue is gonna be the Art Modell

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<v Speaker 2>law Bill, which you know very well if I passed

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<v Speaker 2>after Modell moved the Browns, saying there has to be

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<v Speaker 2>a period of time, a cooling off period between city

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<v Speaker 2>officials and the owner of a team. What that technically means,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know. Cool after Mike Brown. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>can still run into Mike Brown as de la Roses,

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<v Speaker 2>having dinner once a while, Right, you don't run into

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Haslam. Okay, he's not that kind of guy. He's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like a carpetbagger, you know. He's like Hillary Clinton

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<v Speaker 2>went into New York to be a senator. He came

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<v Speaker 2>in from Tennessee. He was a part owner of the

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<v Speaker 2>Steelers and they wanted to own a team, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Browns were for sale, and he paid about a billion.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they're worked like eight billion dollars. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>great investment.

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy has now eight billion. That doesn't count the other

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<v Speaker 1>Flying Jay and that kind of stuff. Do you miss

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati at all? Because now you've established the Kingdom in

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<v Speaker 1>the North from Lynchburg, you got Reverend Valley, you got

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<v Speaker 1>all this stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you miss the Queen City?

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<v Speaker 2>I do a great deal. We still get down there

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<v Speaker 2>every once. A matter of fact, I've told Tony Bender

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<v Speaker 2>my dance got a little minor procedure over christ next

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<v Speaker 2>week's I'll be there for a couple of days in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 3>Come love Queen City.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always been home, Willie, and you've always been good

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<v Speaker 2>to me. And absolutely Cincinnati's a wonderful, wonderful city.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you still miss Mike Trevezano, my running mate.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I think about him a great deal.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the legends of the business, without a doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>We lost him way too soon. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, Well see what happens. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>I wish the Guardians well. But the manager of the

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<v Speaker 1>Yankees is a Red. Paul O'Neill does the Reds again,

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<v Speaker 1>and the closer are all Reds, and so I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>our team is somehow.

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<v Speaker 3>In New York.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know, I know, I know it's a big payroll.

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<v Speaker 2>But again for Red stands. I'll leave you with this,

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<v Speaker 2>U thought. A lot of the success Cleveland has goes

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<v Speaker 2>back to one Terry Francona, and he will be your

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<v Speaker 1>I love that idea. And Marty Brownman was the bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Terry Francona did not want to come back.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty five years Hell, that's old, sixty five years old,

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<v Speaker 1>as old as you know, he's getting old. Should retire,

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<v Speaker 1>go to Florida and relax. And Marty said, hey, get

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<v Speaker 1>was the end of it. And all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a manager. All we need to need now

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<v Speaker 1>is a team that's healthy. We lost our entire pitching

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<v Speaker 1>staff on the DL and players are using steroids and

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<v Speaker 1>having a Matt McClain, the star second baseman, didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>a sniff this year, So every time I look around

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<v Speaker 1>there's another doc cremcheck work to be done.

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<v Speaker 3>But I wish you well, Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish when you come into town next week, will

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<v Speaker 1>you stop in and see us here at the big.

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<v Speaker 2>One, Willie, I'll find you. I'll try and find you

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<v Speaker 2>and look for it open person next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, God bless America. Bill Willis, What is the price

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<v Speaker 1>of pork? But I need pork bellies, I need pigs.

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<v Speaker 1>I need the price right now? What is the price

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<v Speaker 1>of pork? Belly's going to give me a number.

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<v Speaker 2>He's around seventy. Candle market is good, beautiful day to

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<v Speaker 2>be out there harvesting. I know the farmers have you

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<v Speaker 2>on kind him.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Wills, thank you very much, See you, buddy, see

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<v Speaker 1>you next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's continue with more.

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<v Speaker 1>There it is and Bill Wills was here, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Scott kind of came back the second or third time,

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<v Speaker 1>and Randy Michael said, well, Bill, we have an opening

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<v Speaker 1>in TM and Cleveland, wanted to be the morning guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes up there and over the next twenty five years,

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<v Speaker 1>establishes himself as the Mike McConnell of TAM gave up

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<v Speaker 1>Ziggy's Piggies and away we go, and I miss Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Wills every day. Let's continue with more Bill cunning in

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