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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from Studio A here at proven Winns

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<v Speaker 1>Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show

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<v Speaker 1>with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick weisst and our engineer and

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<v Speaker 1>producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacy, let's tap on the brakes

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<v Speaker 1>a little. Somebody has to say it is life too

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<v Speaker 1>short for spacing plants? I mean plants at the greenhouse

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<v Speaker 1>or the garden center. When you start shopping this spring,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like going to the buffet in Las Vegas. Your

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<v Speaker 1>eyes tend to be bigger than your stomach. Or when

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<v Speaker 1>I take my grandson to the store and I say, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>you can have a little treat, it's impossible for him

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<v Speaker 1>to decide. There's so many choices. It's unreally usually ends

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<v Speaker 1>up with two or three trees.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, this idea that life is too short

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<v Speaker 2>for proper spacing is something that I have said many

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<v Speaker 2>times myself to friends and gardening colleagues. And I have

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<v Speaker 2>softened that stance a bit, which we will get to,

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<v Speaker 2>but it really comes from so. I went to horticulture

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<v Speaker 2>school at the New York Botanical Garden School of Professional Horticulture,

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<v Speaker 2>and one of my first days on our rotations where

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<v Speaker 2>you work in all of the different areas of the gardens.

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<v Speaker 2>It was spring and the crew leader dropped me off

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<v Speaker 2>at this giant, massive, beautiful urn and a couple flats

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<v Speaker 2>of pansies and was like, okay, we'll be back to

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<v Speaker 2>pick you up in like forty five minutes. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, cool. And so you know, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the pansies and they have a little tag in

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<v Speaker 2>them and it says like, you know, space eight to

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<v Speaker 2>ten inches apart or whatever. So I'm like okay. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they drop me off with like three flats,

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<v Speaker 2>and I take this urn and I plant like eight

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<v Speaker 2>pansies in it, following this, you know, this instruction on

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<v Speaker 2>the tag. And when she came back to get me

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<v Speaker 2>after I had done this, she was like what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, following the spacing instructions and she goes, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no no, and she's like, this is how you do it,

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<v Speaker 2>and she starts taking the pansies out and she's squishing,

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<v Speaker 2>gently squishing the root balls and just packing them in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, that's when I realized that spacing is

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<v Speaker 2>primarily a suggestion. There are certainly consequences to ignoring spacing

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<v Speaker 2>not so much from an annual perspective, and certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>from a pansy perspective. But overall, it is just a suggestion,

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<v Speaker 2>and there are plenty of times where you, as a gardener,

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<v Speaker 2>are free to completely disregard that in favor of a

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<v Speaker 2>better display.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, and when it comes to annuals, throw the spacing

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<v Speaker 1>out the window.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure. The spacing on those things is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd think that they would decrease it so people would

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<v Speaker 2>plant more and they'd sell more. But you know, especially

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<v Speaker 2>back in the days of the cell pause, Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like twelve inches. And I remember, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>being a landscaper back then, and you know, the trowel

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<v Speaker 2>with the markers on it, and I'm like, this looks terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>But well, I followed the instruction, so it must be right.

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<v Speaker 1>I never follow spacing instructions when it comes to annuals.

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<v Speaker 1>Thus my limerick for this week, Every plant's my favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm embracing so many to choose from I'm pacing They're

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<v Speaker 1>so fabulous I can't pick. So I wrote this lima

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<v Speaker 1>rick to announce I'm giving up spacing. You know, plant

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<v Speaker 1>spacing if you think about it. There are calculators online

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<v Speaker 1>and all sorts of stuff on how to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>plant spacing. Generally, I've just done the math in my head.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, if you have a plant that at maturity

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<v Speaker 1>is four foot wide, putting it next to a plant

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<v Speaker 1>at maturity that's three foot wide, just add four plus three,

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<v Speaker 1>divide by two, which is three and a half, and

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<v Speaker 1>put the plants center to center three and a half

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<v Speaker 1>feet apart. That's how I've WoT.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically that simple, and I think that maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>key that's missing for a lot of people is the

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know or don't realize that the spacing recommendation

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<v Speaker 2>is based on the predicted width of the plant. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's another aspect of why it is so subjective.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this. Are you a do you

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<v Speaker 2>like your plants to touch or do you like your

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<v Speaker 2>plants not to touch?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? I like I like them to touch. But I

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<v Speaker 1>am a person who will not bring a tape measure

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<v Speaker 1>out into the landscape. I like to plant in odd

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<v Speaker 1>numbers and I don't want it to look like I

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<v Speaker 1>measured it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure right, right? A lot of people don't want their

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<v Speaker 2>plants to touch, which, honestly, more power to you. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems crazy to me because I like my garden to

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<v Speaker 2>look like a garden, like a jungle like with all

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<v Speaker 2>the plants, So I need my plants to touch, so

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<v Speaker 2>I always ignore spacing or go with smaller spacing. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's plenty of people out there who don't like the

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<v Speaker 2>look of a full garden and they prefer the space

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<v Speaker 2>and everything kind of you know, it's just a different approach.

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<v Speaker 2>It's perfectly valid for those of you are my plants

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<v Speaker 2>can't touch type out there, But that plays a big

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<v Speaker 2>role into how you decide you're going to space.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or let me throw a monkey wrench into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Spacing in my mind, is more important in the shade

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<v Speaker 1>than it is in the sun. In the sun you

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<v Speaker 1>get plenty of sunlight, air movement, and so disease less

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<v Speaker 1>of a problem. In the shade, you want to have

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<v Speaker 1>proper spacing. Just the theory on my part, Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, there's all other types of different issues too.

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<v Speaker 1>Some plants are allellopathic and I'm looking here, I had

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<v Speaker 1>written down here sunflowers, Nepetta, morning glories, lantana, And of

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<v Speaker 1>course you've got the notorious mob boss of the group

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<v Speaker 1>black walnut. But some plants are you know, they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of push others.

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<v Speaker 2>Out right, And you know, there's a lot of research

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<v Speaker 2>nowadays it says that a lot of the beliefs around

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<v Speaker 2>allellopathy are not wrong but over exaggerated. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what I've read in that case is that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>so much like but even with black walnut, except for

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<v Speaker 2>the very sensitive plants. So do not try to plant

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<v Speaker 2>tomato anywhere near in the vicinity of a black walnut.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's primarily the branches, leaves in fruit that fall

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<v Speaker 2>that cause the issue. It's not just some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, force field coming out around the roots or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. So in that case, you know, my

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<v Speaker 2>neighbor across the street has a massive black walnut, So

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<v Speaker 2>if squirrels are coming over and depositing you know, walnuts

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<v Speaker 2>in my yard, then I can't space around that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I tell you what, Speaking of squirrels as it

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<v Speaker 1>relates to plant spacing, if you want to throw cashew

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<v Speaker 1>to the wind, what you do is you go vertical. Yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>just like they did in Top Gun. Right, and some

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<v Speaker 1>people refer to it as bio intensive planting. Using vines

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<v Speaker 1>going vertical. One of my favorite plants and tight spots

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<v Speaker 1>are clematis if you've got a good sunny spot. Others

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<v Speaker 1>you could use, of course, rise up Lilac days. I

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<v Speaker 1>was amazed at how well that did in my garden

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<v Speaker 1>this year, kind of elevating above the group flirty girl

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<v Speaker 1>false hydrangea in a shady area. And of course I've

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<v Speaker 1>always talked about exclamation points, so you take rows of

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<v Speaker 1>share in the pillar series or skybox Japanese holly or

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<v Speaker 1>fine line buckthorn, or I got to throw in a

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<v Speaker 1>grass stacy and annual grass like vertigo. You know, these

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<v Speaker 1>add excitement, They can stand alone if you wish to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of rise above the others and kind of give

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<v Speaker 1>you a permission to pack it in a little definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, another aspect of that, I would say

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<v Speaker 2>is that you can get away with a lot less

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<v Speaker 2>space in between plants if you were willing to do

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<v Speaker 2>some work. And you know, this is a question that

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<v Speaker 2>we can all ask ourselves is how much work do

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do? What type of work do I

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<v Speaker 2>want to do? And one great example of that would

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<v Speaker 2>be Espelier. So Espelier is you know when you see

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<v Speaker 2>usually a shrubs. Some comes it's a small tree trained

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<v Speaker 2>up against a fence, and sometimes it can be very

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<v Speaker 2>meticulous where they've tried to create like a Belgian fence,

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<v Speaker 2>where branches are criss crossing and making a diamond pattern.

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<v Speaker 2>Or it's just a matter of pruning a shrub so

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<v Speaker 2>that all of its growth that would come outward or

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<v Speaker 2>backward is pruned off and it only goes left and right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I have a winter honeysuckle nisra a fragrant tissima,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one of the first things to bloom. Smells amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It smells like fruit loop cereal, and it's a huge plant.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, these things get to be ten feet tall

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<v Speaker 2>and ten feet wide. But my husband loves to prune

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<v Speaker 2>and has taken it upon himself to espalier this winter

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<v Speaker 2>honeysuckle next to our fence, so it takes up just

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<v Speaker 2>a fraction of the space. He loves pruning it. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you are someone who loves to prune, you can,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, use these little tips and tricks and take

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<v Speaker 2>on that responsibility. If you're not someone who likes to prune,

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<v Speaker 2>then you're probably not going to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we say life is too short for spacing.

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<v Speaker 1>We to a degree say it tongue in cheek.

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<v Speaker 2>To a degree.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, But you know, in spring, when I'm out there

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<v Speaker 1>in the vegetable garden and I've got a packet of

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<v Speaker 1>bean seeds or carrot seeds, I'm notorious for getting halfway

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<v Speaker 1>down the road and the row and the seeds are gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm the same. You know, I've been roached vegetable

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<v Speaker 2>gardening for my entire adult life, and I still distrust

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<v Speaker 2>the spacing in spring. It's just impossible to believe, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so like this year, I planted way too many

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<v Speaker 2>tomatoes in my space. I had an amazing harvest, but

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<v Speaker 2>by the time they all grew it in, it was

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<v Speaker 2>like playing a game of twister to get out there

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<v Speaker 2>and try to harvest everything and find these one spots

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<v Speaker 2>where you could step that weren't covered by tomato plants.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, it's just enthusiasm. It's enthusiasm for

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<v Speaker 2>what we do well.

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<v Speaker 1>Enthusiasm. But also if you tighten up the spacing, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it makes watering easier. You always want to pack

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<v Speaker 1>in more plants, I know, Stacey, you're like me. If

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<v Speaker 1>you walk through a greenhouse or a garden center. You

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<v Speaker 1>can be inspired and like, h I'd like that plant,

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<v Speaker 1>and next thing you know, you're walking around in your

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<v Speaker 1>yard with the plant in one hand the shovel in

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<v Speaker 1>the other, looking for a place to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I have definitely been there, yes, And then you

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<v Speaker 2>know you're like, oh, well this container could use another plant,

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<v Speaker 2>so you just wedge it on in there and then

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<v Speaker 2>you know. But it's a good way to learn. You

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<v Speaker 2>do learn a lot by pushing those boundaries. I will

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<v Speaker 2>definitely say that, oh hey, quick, before we take a break,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to tell everybody that next Friday, February twenty first,

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<v Speaker 2>here on our YouTube channel, we are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>doing our first ever YouTube live and we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be telling everybody about all of the new shrubs for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five. So it is a public peak at

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<v Speaker 2>everything that's going to be new. It's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>super great. I'm going to be there. Natalie Christina Crimson

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<v Speaker 2>from our YouTube channel are also participating. So if you've

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<v Speaker 2>got spring fever, you're dying for a little break, some flour,

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<v Speaker 2>some greenery, please please join us here on YouTube Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>February twenty first at twelve Eastern at time. We hope

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll see how Stacey ties it in plants on Trials.

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<v Speaker 2>and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where the

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<v Speaker 2>order of the day is plant spacing, an issue in

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<v Speaker 2>gardening that has tripped up many people. I've certainly had

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<v Speaker 2>to hold a lot of hands as people have worked

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<v Speaker 2>through how to space things and what to do with

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<v Speaker 2>a range when you have a range of spacing, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'll talk about the next segment a bit. But I

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<v Speaker 2>did want to say, you know, I have softened, as

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<v Speaker 2>I said in segment one, my stance a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>on life is too short for proper spacing, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes it isn't sometimes it is. But like last year,

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<v Speaker 2>right I bought some basil. We were in Chicago. We

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to have a picnic, and instead of just buying

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<v Speaker 2>you know, cut basil, I bought a basil plant and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, okay, I'll just you know, go home and

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<v Speaker 2>plant it, which I did, but all my containers are

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<v Speaker 2>already full at that point. So I had three massive containers,

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<v Speaker 2>like big, giant, twenty four inch containers that weren't full.

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<v Speaker 2>So I says, okay, I'll just plant the basil in here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fine. I had the best darn basil harvest of

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<v Speaker 2>my entire life. Adrian is like exclaiming because she saw

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<v Speaker 2>it when she came to film at my house. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they were shrubs. They were like three feet tall

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<v Speaker 2>and wide. That's fantastic because I did give that extra

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<v Speaker 2>space because normally I was like jamming it into these

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<v Speaker 2>pretty little decorative containers on my patio, which is fine,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, that's when I really realized, if you

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<v Speaker 2>want your basil to produce, you got to give it

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<v Speaker 2>some room. But that's where the learning comes in.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Like I call it basil instincts.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have that instinct. Now I will definitely be

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<v Speaker 2>continuing to do that. And another place where of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't really want to go into messing with the

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<v Speaker 2>spacing too too much. Is trees and shrubs correct, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's for a couple of reasons. Number one is that

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<v Speaker 2>trees and shrubs tend to be a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>expensive than annuals and even perennials, So you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to make a mistake that you later have to correct

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<v Speaker 2>and risk the investment that you've made in not just

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<v Speaker 2>purchasing the plant, but in time and effort to plant it. Also, overall,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of trees and shrubs aren't super amenable to

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<v Speaker 2>sown abundantly, and sometimes I do leave those plants to go,

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<v Speaker 2>and if those selfium plants start getting a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>too wide, I just go out there and I straight

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<v Speaker 2>up ripoff entire stocks, you know, to kind of to

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<v Speaker 2>try to narrow it down and take up less space.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't really want to do that. Well, first, Philly,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't do that with a woody plant, and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily want to do it. Some woody plants are

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<v Speaker 2>not very amenable to that kind of pruning to control

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<v Speaker 2>their width, and so you don't have that option, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like hostas or another plant that they're taking up too

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<v Speaker 2>much space, they have too much leaves. You just go

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<v Speaker 2>out there and take off some stems.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, get shrubs, which yeah, I've done that. And with shrubs,

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<v Speaker 1>the problem is the plant will look like it got

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<v Speaker 1>a bad hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes it will, and you no one wants that. No

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<v Speaker 2>one wants that. And then you know the other thing,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, is that shrubs and trees are plants that

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<v Speaker 2>we tend to plant for the future, for the long term.

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<v Speaker 2>So it really pays to think far off into the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though, like we were talking about in our Dwarf

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<v Speaker 2>Helperdos Spruce rant a couple episodes ago, it can be

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<v Speaker 2>very hard to believe that this, you know, cute little

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<v Speaker 2>shrub that you're holding in your hands is going to

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<v Speaker 2>reach some sort of epic proportion. But it will, and

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<v Speaker 2>you you need to trust those when you are investing

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<v Speaker 2>again time and money into these more permanent plants. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean you can't fudget a bit here and there.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I was saying with the Espalier, it does to

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<v Speaker 2>some extent depend on how much work you are willing

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<v Speaker 2>to do. And I actually happen to really enjoy going

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<v Speaker 2>out there and ripping out some stems of my sylphium

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<v Speaker 2>and getting the garden a little bit refined. And my

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<v Speaker 2>husband happens to really enjoy espaluing it and doing that

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<v Speaker 2>pruning once a month or whatever that is. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>this is really a question of how much effort or

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<v Speaker 2>how much work are you willing to take on and

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<v Speaker 2>the type of work that it is, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy that. But you know, one of the issues I

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<v Speaker 2>think with spacing, the reason that so many of us

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<v Speaker 2>want to, you know, kind of minimize how much space

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<v Speaker 2>we give our plants is because we just want more

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<v Speaker 2>plants in the ground, you know. And I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a huge yard. And yeah, as you said, my eyes

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<v Speaker 2>are bigger than my garden. My dreams or a bigger than

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<v Speaker 2>my garden as well, and so sometimes yeah, I do

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<v Speaker 2>fudge things to try to get more there. And also

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<v Speaker 2>because I just love that full, lush look.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why I say, you got to act like

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Cruise in Top Gun, and you gotta go vertical sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And one way that you can do that is

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<v Speaker 2>by choosing fastigit plants, and you've probably heard us use

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<v Speaker 2>that word here and there. Basically, all it means, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a fancy word, it is a Latin word, but from

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<v Speaker 2>a horticultural perspective, all it means is that a plant

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<v Speaker 2>naturally grows with a narrow columnar habit, so instead of

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<v Speaker 2>being a big, wide, spreading tree, it's just a tidy,

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<v Speaker 2>little column. And that word fastigit comes from the Latin

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<v Speaker 2>for high or lofty these plants, a fastigit plant doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily have to be very tall, but it will be

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<v Speaker 2>very narrow. One of the best examples of this is

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<v Speaker 2>the fastigient English oak Quercus rober fastigiata. Beautiful plant, and

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason here in the US, by and large,

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<v Speaker 2>it is that fastigiit version. It's far far more popular

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<v Speaker 2>than the big, full, massive tree version. But there's lots

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<v Speaker 2>of choices among shrubs as well. So you might be

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with our pillar roses of sharon like purple pillar,

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<v Speaker 2>white pillar, red pillar, glowstick, and skybox Japanese holly, fine

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<v Speaker 2>line ramness. We have this new yard line viburnum, which

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<v Speaker 2>is an evergreen for milder climates, and today's plant on trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Stonehenge U is also a fastigit plant.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't we introduce people to that plant in our winter

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<v Speaker 1>garden walk?

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<v Speaker 2>We did, which might be one of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 2>it was on my mind, because as you can see,

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<v Speaker 2>we do have many others. Ooh, another one that I

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, love it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a very small, narrow ginko. Not too many on

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<v Speaker 2>the market yet, but so I'll tell you if you

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<v Speaker 2>see one, snatch it up. But there will be more

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<v Speaker 2>coming on the market in the coming seasons. So if

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<v Speaker 2>there's some kind of plant that you really really want

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't have space for it, like an oak

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<v Speaker 2>or gang goo, there very often are these fastigial alternatives

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<v Speaker 2>that just take up a fraction of the space. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>a fastigit you know, tree or shrub for example. Taking

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<v Speaker 2>this taxis stonehanji reaches two to four feet wide. That's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty darn narrow. That is not a lot. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think my summarific hibiscus take up more

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<v Speaker 2>space sure than that. But if you consider you or

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<v Speaker 2>taxes on the whole. Even though here in the US

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<v Speaker 2>we kind of think of them as very kind of

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<v Speaker 2>boring suburban plants that are just planted as like a

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<v Speaker 2>front yard hedge show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I think your timing on this is perfect, Stacy.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, everyone at this time of the year is

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about taxes, right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. I was going to say this for April fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>but you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I answer plant questions I wrote down here. An

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<v Speaker 1>accountant is someone who solves a problem you didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>you had in a way you don't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what accountants do.

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<v Speaker 2>We problem and sometimes people don't understand that too. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so in the like in England, you will see taxes

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<v Speaker 2>that you would not even recognize because they get to

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<v Speaker 2>be massive, massive trees, and yeah, we just don't. They

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<v Speaker 2>just don't do that here. We don't grow them that way.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course we don't have thousands of years of history,

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<v Speaker 2>but there you can find all over the UK and

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<v Speaker 2>Ireland use that are thousands of years old, literally known

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<v Speaker 2>to be two or three or four thousand years old.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the oldest, the fourteen gold U, has a

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<v Speaker 2>trunk circumference, or had at one point. It's now kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hollowed out fifty two feet wow. And uh use

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<v Speaker 2>are known to reach heights of sixty five feet or taller.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can really see how a plant like Stonehenge,

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<v Speaker 2>you at just two to four feet tall and wide,

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<v Speaker 2>give you an opportunity to kind of get some of

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<v Speaker 2>that look that history, but with using just a small,

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<v Speaker 2>small fraction of the space. And a great thing about

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<v Speaker 2>fastigit plants as well is that they don't need pruning,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because they aren't growing wide, they're just growing

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<v Speaker 2>with a stove pipe kind of shape. You really don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to prune them. Now. You can height prune them

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<v Speaker 2>if you wish, it is usually best to let them go,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you start them when they're young and you're

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<v Speaker 2>not cutting into any really thick wood, you can easily

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<v Speaker 2>maintain a lower height as well on a fastigit plant.

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<v Speaker 2>But like Rick said, you can see Stonehenge in the

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<v Speaker 2>winter landscape in our most recent winter garden tour, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that where that plant is planted in

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<v Speaker 2>our gardens really kind of shows how this plant can

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<v Speaker 2>be used and how useful and beautiful it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this time of the year, in the dead

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<v Speaker 1>of winter, we'll take any green we can.

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<v Speaker 2>Get, yes, even from a taxis even. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to say I have my own ideas about taxes

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<v Speaker 2>because I grew up with taxis outside my yard, growing

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<v Speaker 2>up like it was there, you know, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>newer development. And I think that so many contractors developers

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<v Speaker 2>are just like, hey, we need something to put in coverage.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know if it's sun or shade. We're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to bother finding out because you do take full

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<v Speaker 2>sun to full shade. And that's pretty great characteristic.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about it, Stacey. I come from the garden

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<v Speaker 1>center industry. We would unload semi loads of taxes balden

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<v Speaker 1>bur lap. Yeah, the soil around the roots usually were

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<v Speaker 1>solid clay. You lift those things all day long. You

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<v Speaker 1>start to think about death and taxes all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, aren't you glad that's not a thing anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh my.

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<v Speaker 2>And they can take pretty much any soil as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So another thing that's great for contractors to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just throw in front of these developments. Poor soil, no problem.

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<v Speaker 2>As long as it's well drained. They don't mind sand.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing that's that taxes in general do mind though,

421
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<v Speaker 2>that you should be aware of if you're thinking about

422
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<v Speaker 2>planting Stonehenge Texas. They are not derresistant. And it's bizarre

423
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<v Speaker 2>because tax is one of the most toxic plants. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't like to freak people out talking

425
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<v Speaker 2>about toxic plants, but it's so wild to me that

426
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<v Speaker 2>so many people are so concerned and yet this completely

427
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<v Speaker 2>ubiquitous plan, at least through the Midwest everywhere, extremely toxic

428
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<v Speaker 2>to humans and pets. The deer will eat it like

429
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<v Speaker 2>there's no tomorrow, like it's candy. It's like a compulsion

430
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<v Speaker 2>with them. I don't know how that works, but anyway,

431
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<v Speaker 2>I would have to say, if you grew up like me,

432
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<v Speaker 2>with your mother constantly warning you not to touch the

433
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<v Speaker 2>red berries on the green shrubs in the front of

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<v Speaker 2>the house, then you know exactly what I'm talking about.

435
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<v Speaker 2>But again, Sonehenge, you is a great plant if you

436
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<v Speaker 2>live in USCA zones four through seven, not super heat tolerant,

437
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<v Speaker 2>have shade, and are looking for a space saving evergreen.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's not what you're looking for, I will list

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the fastigit shrubs and trees that I

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<v Speaker 2>have discussed in our show notes at Gardeningsimplified on air

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<v Speaker 2>dot Com. We're gonna take a little break. When we

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<v Speaker 2>come back, we're opening up the garden. Mailed eggs of police.

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<v Speaker 2>Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greetings gardening friends, and welcome

452
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<v Speaker 2>back to the Gardening Simplified Show. It's our favorite time

453
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<v Speaker 2>of the show where we get to answer your gardening questions.

454
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<v Speaker 2>But before we do dive into what we've got this week,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to briefly talk a bit about the spacing

456
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<v Speaker 2>on the plant tag. And like I said earlier, the

457
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<v Speaker 2>spacing that's recommended at least speaking about Proven Menner's Color

458
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<v Speaker 2>Choice Shrubs is based on the width of the plant. So, however,

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<v Speaker 2>why the plant gets from one end to the other

460
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<v Speaker 2>is how we're going to recommend that you space them,

461
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<v Speaker 2>and very often both the width and the space, the

462
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<v Speaker 2>width and the spacing will always be the same. We

463
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<v Speaker 2>just had to separate about because some people didn't understand

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<v Speaker 2>that you can use the width to calculate the spacing.

465
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<v Speaker 2>But in almost all cases, what you're going to see

466
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<v Speaker 2>is a range of sizes. So we take sone hands you,

467
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<v Speaker 2>like we just talked about it. In plants on trial,

468
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<v Speaker 2>we have a range of width and spacing on that

469
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<v Speaker 2>two to four feet, and a lot of people find

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<v Speaker 2>that confusing. Do I space it two feet? Do I

471
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<v Speaker 2>space at four feet? Do I space it three feet?

472
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<v Speaker 2>And overall, here's the kind of guideline that you can use.

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<v Speaker 2>The colder your climate, the less wide that plant is

474
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<v Speaker 2>likely to get, because your colder and longer winters are

475
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<v Speaker 2>going to prevent it from growing quite as much. The

476
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<v Speaker 2>warmer your climate, the more likely you will want to

477
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<v Speaker 2>use the higher end of that range, because your plant

478
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<v Speaker 2>is going to have a longer growing season and thus

479
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<v Speaker 2>it is going to grow more. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other growing conditions that play into that. If it's like

481
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<v Speaker 2>ideal growing conditions and you're fertilizing it all the time.

482
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<v Speaker 2>Of course, it's going to get bigger than if it's

483
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<v Speaker 2>you know, struggling in you know, sandy dune soil and

484
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<v Speaker 2>not getting irrigated like in my garden in your.

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<v Speaker 1>Right Stacey, as you would say, your mileage may vary, yeah,

486
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<v Speaker 1>very much. So if you're planting something in northern Minnesota

487
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<v Speaker 1>compared to someone in North Carolina, that with could be

488
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<v Speaker 1>possibly significantly.

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<v Speaker 2>Different, definitely, And it also is a personal choice. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I was saying, I know a lot of you don't

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<v Speaker 2>like your plants to touch. I love my plants to touch,

492
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<v Speaker 2>so I'm always reducing that spacing as almost as much

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<v Speaker 2>as I possibly can to make sure I get as

494
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<v Speaker 2>much in. So if you definitely don't want your plants

495
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<v Speaker 2>to touch, that's another case where you would use that

496
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<v Speaker 2>higher end of the range and space them at three

497
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<v Speaker 2>or four feet. Also useful in hedging. If you're going

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<v Speaker 2>with a hedge, especially in a cold climate, I would

499
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<v Speaker 2>always always use the smaller number because you're doing it

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<v Speaker 2>for coverage. You don't want to wait the rest of

501
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<v Speaker 2>your life for things to grow into with each other.

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<v Speaker 2>So it can be that's where the subjective aspect of

503
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<v Speaker 2>it comes in. But we're not trying to be deliberately

504
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<v Speaker 2>obtuse about how wide the plant gets. It's just that

505
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<v Speaker 2>it is a There are just so many factors, so

506
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<v Speaker 2>you know that's where sort of the art part of

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<v Speaker 2>gardening comes in.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, and personal preference absolutely definitely, you bet all right,

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<v Speaker 1>CJ writes to us this week High Team, I look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to your show every week. Question. I planted this

511
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<v Speaker 1>ginko princeton centry in my High Desert Zone six B

512
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<v Speaker 1>garden summer twenty twenty three. I noticed this funky growth

513
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<v Speaker 1>down at the base of the trunk, and I'm wondering

514
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<v Speaker 1>if I should be concerned. The vertical lines may be

515
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<v Speaker 1>from feral cats at the nursery. According to the nursery

516
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<v Speaker 1>gal who sold it to me, it seemed to do

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<v Speaker 1>okay last summer, a little bit of new growth and

518
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<v Speaker 1>some minor tip die off at the top, signing off

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<v Speaker 1>with a sassy wink.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, right, So this plant is being girdled

521
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<v Speaker 2>as we speak. So CJ did send some pictures and

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<v Speaker 2>you will see those in the YouTube version as well

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<v Speaker 2>as on our show notes at Gardenings Simplified on Air

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. And yeah, this is a bad case of

525
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<v Speaker 2>girdling and your tree will not be long for the

526
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<v Speaker 2>world unless you fix this.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's choking.

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<v Speaker 2>It's choking itself. Yeah, so you can see that the

529
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<v Speaker 2>roots are kind of that you can already see that

530
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<v Speaker 2>they're moving in a circular motion. You can also see

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<v Speaker 2>that they're kind of you know, twirling and twisting around

532
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<v Speaker 2>each other. And so, uh, first of the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I would do, and one thing that I noticed

534
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<v Speaker 2>from your photo CJ, is that you have your drip

535
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<v Speaker 2>emitters right up close to the base of the plant.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think that that's helping, because that's what

537
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<v Speaker 2>that's doing is keeping that area really really moist and

538
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<v Speaker 2>probably leading to a lot more hair root development there.

539
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<v Speaker 2>You really want those emitters to be out at the

540
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<v Speaker 2>canopy of the plant. Now, Princeton Princeton sentry is a

541
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<v Speaker 2>somewhat fastigic ginko, so that might not be very very

542
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<v Speaker 2>far off, But look at where the leaves are and

543
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<v Speaker 2>try to position your emitters to that so called dripline

544
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<v Speaker 2>or just outside of it where when it rains, the

545
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<v Speaker 2>water drips off the plant and makes that ring around

546
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<v Speaker 2>the planet. That will help a lot. I don't think

547
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<v Speaker 2>you're doing yourself any favors there, and then I think

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<v Speaker 2>you got two choices here. You can dig up the

549
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<v Speaker 2>plant and correct the girdling, which would probably be the

550
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<v Speaker 2>best thing to do. It's only two years not quite

551
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<v Speaker 2>two years old, so it's not going to be like

552
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of roots. I don't think it'd be super

553
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<v Speaker 2>hard to dig. And even though doing this will set

554
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<v Speaker 2>it back a little bit, I think that the investment

555
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<v Speaker 2>that you put into it to correct it will certainly

556
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<v Speaker 2>pay off in the long run because the other alternative,

557
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<v Speaker 2>and you do have to fix this, is to just

558
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<v Speaker 2>take an axe or a saw and take out some

559
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<v Speaker 2>of the worst defenders, and that's not really ideal.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you do same thing. I really have nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to add, And I think your point, as far as

562
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<v Speaker 1>the water is concerned, or when people fertilized trees, always

563
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<v Speaker 1>work your way out to the drip line. Let's not

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<v Speaker 1>work around the trunk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's easy to think that that's where you would

566
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<v Speaker 2>want to have it, but now you really want to

567
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<v Speaker 2>you know, the tree basically does kind of adapt to

568
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<v Speaker 2>the fact that that's where the water comes from when

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<v Speaker 2>it rains, so that is where you want to really

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<v Speaker 2>target your watering on any tree or shrub, or really

571
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<v Speaker 2>even a perennial, because bigger perennials will have a drip

572
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<v Speaker 2>line as well.

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<v Speaker 1>We have some pictures to show folks who are watching

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<v Speaker 1>the YouTube version because Bethany writes to us, Hello, thanks

575
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<v Speaker 1>for the show. I enjoy listening to it every week.

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<v Speaker 1>I've learned a lot, and i'd like advice on what

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<v Speaker 1>to do with my laurels. Don't rest on your laurels, right,

578
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<v Speaker 1>that was easy. Last year, a few patches started wilting

579
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<v Speaker 1>and turning yellow brown, and now several of the shrubs

580
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<v Speaker 1>are affected. I tried pruning out the affected branches, spraying fungicide.

581
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<v Speaker 1>It's still spreading. Do I need to remove the affected

582
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<v Speaker 1>plants completely? Can I cut them back? I want to

583
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<v Speaker 1>try and protect the remaining healthy one.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So do take a moment to look at Bethany's photos.

585
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<v Speaker 2>If you're not watching us on YouTube, go to Gardening

586
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<v Speaker 2>Simplified on air dot com and you'll see them. And

587
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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to answer Bethany's question today because it is

588
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<v Speaker 2>an issue that I think a lot of people are

589
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<v Speaker 2>likely to see happen in their yards this coming spring.

590
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<v Speaker 2>The laurel that she's talking about is a cherry laurel

591
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<v Speaker 2>Prunus Laura sirasus. So it's not like a bay laurel

592
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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. It is a brunly fevergreen does

593
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<v Speaker 2>want a sitic soil. But you know, a lot of

594
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<v Speaker 2>times when we see things starting to go wrong and

595
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<v Speaker 2>there's multiple of plants here in this planting, our first

596
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<v Speaker 2>thought is that it's a disease and it's spreading. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think when you look at Bethanese photos and if

598
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<v Speaker 2>this is happening to you, if you take a moment

599
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<v Speaker 2>to step back and really look at the area where

600
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<v Speaker 2>this is happening, you're going to start picking up on

601
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more clues, more clues than you may

602
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<v Speaker 2>have just initially thought by looking at you know, from

603
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<v Speaker 2>one direction, and what I see here in Bethany's planting

604
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<v Speaker 2>is that all the plants on the right side are dying.

605
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<v Speaker 2>And what I notice is that there is a downspout

606
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<v Speaker 2>from the house right there, and very likely what is

607
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<v Speaker 2>happening is probably they're getting too much water. They're having

608
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<v Speaker 2>soil drainage issues or possibly like leeching issues from excess

609
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<v Speaker 2>water there that is either leading to drainage issues or

610
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<v Speaker 2>leading to a pH problem because cherry laurels do want

611
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:31.279
<v Speaker 2>an acidic pH so it could be just like leeching

612
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<v Speaker 2>out all of the organic matter. But when you look

613
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.680
<v Speaker 2>at this and you see that those damage plants are

614
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<v Speaker 2>so concentrated together and not just randomly through your hedge.

615
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.119
<v Speaker 2>It's not like one down at one end and then

616
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<v Speaker 2>one in the middle. These are concentrated together. So something

617
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<v Speaker 2>is happening. It is almost certainly cultural, which is to

618
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<v Speaker 2>say it's related to water, you know, for soil fertility

619
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<v Speaker 2>something like that, and not a pest or disease, although

620
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<v Speaker 2>it could be rabbits. So what you're going to need

621
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<v Speaker 2>to do, Bethany is I would recommend clearing away your

622
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<v Speaker 2>mulch and trying to get down there and look what's

623
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<v Speaker 2>going on. You know, is the soil extremely wet and soggy.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that your plants that have turned brown are

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<v Speaker 2>not going to come back. But the ones that have

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<v Speaker 2>kind of that like sad, pale green color, which that

627
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<v Speaker 2>is definitely not a great color to see in your

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<v Speaker 2>garden potentially could be saved. But you're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to remedy the situation. So you need to get down

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<v Speaker 2>there and see. It's so easy for people to think

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<v Speaker 2>when they see something going wrong with the tops of

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<v Speaker 2>their plants that it's a pest, a bug or something

633
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<v Speaker 2>like that. But I mean, honestly, nine point five times

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<v Speaker 2>out of ten, it's always an issue that originates at

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<v Speaker 2>the roots and the leaves are just manifesting whatever problem

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<v Speaker 2>that is.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, look down, not up, and with broad leaf

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<v Speaker 1>evergreens rhododendrons are another example. I phy top thro a

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<v Speaker 1>can be a problem, and I think you nailed it

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<v Speaker 1>on the head, Stacey, and I would look at that

641
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<v Speaker 1>soil because if you don't have good drainage, and we

642
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:02.559
<v Speaker 1>don't know if this is a heavy soil or not,

643
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<v Speaker 1>but without good drainage, you're going to have those problems

644
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.680
<v Speaker 1>and it will appear in the top of the plant

645
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<v Speaker 1>as though it's browning, turning, pale and moping. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what I see in these patres.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, phi toop throa is a disease, but

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<v Speaker 2>phi toop through a root rot is a disease that's

649
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<v Speaker 2>caused by wet soil. So it's not really a situation

650
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<v Speaker 2>where like, oh gosh, it caught this horrible disease. It's

651
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:28.480
<v Speaker 2>a it's a disease that kind of manifests based on

652
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<v Speaker 2>the cultural condition additions, and then it's the phytoproa that

653
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<v Speaker 2>might take it out. But the phytopthroa is only there

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<v Speaker 2>because of the poor drainage. And Bethany does look like

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<v Speaker 2>she is located in Tennessee, so almost certainly a pretty

656
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<v Speaker 2>heavy clay soil and rocky soil which can definitely, you know,

657
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:48.440
<v Speaker 2>lead to drainage issues. So clear that multuay dig around

658
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>look for clues. After you have a heavy rain, go

659
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:56.279
<v Speaker 2>out and check and see how much moisture that downspout

660
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.160
<v Speaker 2>is funneling into that bed, and you know, possibly the

661
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.599
<v Speaker 2>solution is a simple is redirecting that down spout out

662
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<v Speaker 2>into the lawn instead of into your bed. Great, so

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<v Speaker 2>there's always more clues there if you look. But anyway, Bethany,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to hear about your cherry laurels and hope

665
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<v Speaker 2>that you're able to save them. Anything that's still green,

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<v Speaker 2>I would at least give it a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>time if you're able to remedy the soil issues. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to take a little bit of a break, and

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<v Speaker 2>when we come back, we have gardenings simplified fan favorite

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Today in Branching News,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to kick off branching News Stacey simply by

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<v Speaker 1>sharing that for our YouTube viewers or rad listeners or

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<v Speaker 1>podcast listeners. I'm going to be in the Chicago Land

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<v Speaker 1>area on March eighth, so that's Saturday, March eighth. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be giving a couple presentations at Plathill Nursery.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever been there?

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<v Speaker 2>I have not been there, but I know they are

684
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<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest and best nurseries in the Chicagoland area.

685
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic nursery. I'm going to talk about plant scaping also

686
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:26.679
<v Speaker 1>easy to grow plants. The presentations are based on the

687
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:30.679
<v Speaker 1>work you and I do here on the Gardening Simplified Show.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're in the Chicago Land area, love to

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<v Speaker 1>see on March eight, that's in Carpentersville, Illinois, plat Hill

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<v Speaker 1>Nursery Stacy coming up on February fourteen through seventeen this weekend, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>is the Global Bird Count And this is exciting and

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to learn more about it, just go

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<v Speaker 1>to birdcount dot org. As a matter of fact, you

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<v Speaker 1>can follow live online as people submit their bird counts.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of that's neat, yeah, and to count birds.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, who better to talk to about this?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we just got off super Bowl weekend, right,

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<v Speaker 1>super Bowl super Bowl weekend, So let's move on to

699
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<v Speaker 1>Global bird Count and celebrate with a birdman himself, Bill Stovell. Bill,

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<v Speaker 1>how you doing this winter?

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<v Speaker 3>Doing well this winter? How are you doing? There? Sounds

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<v Speaker 3>pretty good from here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm anxious for spring, Bill, can't wait. As a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact, you know, I was thinking this past week

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<v Speaker 1>watching the birds at my bird feeder, with the ground

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<v Speaker 1>still snow covered and everything icy and frozen. I start

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<v Speaker 1>to think about birds running out of berries and natural

708
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:57.280
<v Speaker 1>food sources. It's probably a good time of the year

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<v Speaker 1>to be feeding them, right, Bills.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the best. It probably is the best right now.

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00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:06.199
<v Speaker 3>They're in more need. Now. All my berry trees except

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00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.960
<v Speaker 3>my hawthorns are picked beer. They've been each each one

713
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.519
<v Speaker 3>in the winter berries and then the all the you know,

714
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.840
<v Speaker 3>all the different kinds of berries that we produce for them,

715
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.920
<v Speaker 3>and now they're gone. They're supplemented with some flour seed

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00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:21.960
<v Speaker 3>at the feeder and see.

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<v Speaker 1>It exactly, you know, Stacey. We often talk on the

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00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:29.159
<v Speaker 1>show about putting plants in the landscape that provide those berries,

719
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<v Speaker 1>and there are so many great choices, and it's at

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<v Speaker 1>this time of the year that it becomes pretty evident

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<v Speaker 1>part of the reason why we do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely. The birds are very active at my suwet feeder,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, that reminds me of a question, Bill,

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<v Speaker 2>It's been on my mind lately, and you are the

725
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.079
<v Speaker 2>perfect person to ask. So I have a seuwet feeder,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course, you know, my garden is primarily geared

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<v Speaker 2>around attracting and making it hospitable for birds. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of shelter. I've got evergreen shelter just you know,

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00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.519
<v Speaker 2>a few steps away. I've got a magnolia tree that

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<v Speaker 2>is very very close for them to fly into. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know what else, I've got Cooper's hawks and I

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<v Speaker 2>love you know, I love birds of prey, so I,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I understand that that's a natural part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But sometimes I do get to asking myself, am I

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<v Speaker 2>just like setting up a shooting fish in a barrel situation?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I making things worse for the birds when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to make things better?

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<v Speaker 3>Not so often. First of all, the hawks are there

739
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<v Speaker 3>once in a while, they don't stay there a long time,

740
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<v Speaker 3>and they're only good one out of seven, you know,

741
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<v Speaker 3>they save it seven chances before they get one bird. Oh,

742
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:40.920
<v Speaker 3>I really get one that's a little a little weaker

743
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<v Speaker 3>than the others for some reason. Really, And yeah, And

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<v Speaker 3>one of the reasons that we have so many birds

745
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.480
<v Speaker 3>and then the nests are so large, you know, the

746
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.360
<v Speaker 3>flocks are so big, is that there's a there is

747
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<v Speaker 3>a predatory situation, you know, throughout the country, and that's

748
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<v Speaker 3>only one of them. There's diseases, and there's windows, and

749
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:03.639
<v Speaker 3>there's other things. So it's just just part of their

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00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:07.679
<v Speaker 3>life and you're not doing anything bad. You're probably doing

751
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:12.280
<v Speaker 3>more a whole lot more good by feeding. And our

752
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.039
<v Speaker 3>hawks need to need to survive too, because they take

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<v Speaker 3>care of the more crippled birds and the you know,

754
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:21.159
<v Speaker 3>they call they call the herd or the flock, any

755
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:25.480
<v Speaker 3>of the weaker one. So, and they're gorgeous birds.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm crazy about them. I do love to see them.

757
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.679
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I'm not gonna lie. I did see

758
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:33.960
<v Speaker 2>a pair work to take out a woodpecker, and I'm like,

759
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:38.800
<v Speaker 2>couldn't have just been a sparrow, a starling?

760
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Maybe?

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00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Did it have to be a woodpecker? That was a

762
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<v Speaker 2>little bit of heartbreaking.

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00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Most most often I'll take a morning dove and

764
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.039
<v Speaker 3>there's just a big puff of feathers. But we have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of mourning. Does at the second most popular

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00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.000
<v Speaker 3>popular bird there is a morning dove.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's no shortage on my house, that's for sure.

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00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:57.760
<v Speaker 3>Just just another pigeon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what we ought to do is say up

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<v Speaker 1>an ad hoc committee to analyze the situation. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>know that was well global bird count So Bill, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the use in counting birds? I think I have a

774
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<v Speaker 1>good idea. But you know, the website states that scientists

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<v Speaker 1>need hundreds of thousands of people worldwide to report what

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<v Speaker 1>they're seeing in their backyards, neighborhoods, wild places around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>They call it participatory science, community science. Because we're interested

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<v Speaker 1>in the health of birds. For our viewers on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>showing you some pictures of some tucans that I took

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of in Costa Rica a few months ago, just

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<v Speaker 1>amazing to watch. So we love, we love the the

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyment of watching birds. But Bill, the point here is

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<v Speaker 1>that we can make a difference too by helping track

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00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.840
<v Speaker 1>and report birds in a bird count correct correct.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just a fantastic possibility of a snapshot of

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<v Speaker 3>everything that's on the globe at the same moment, so

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<v Speaker 3>you can get an idea about how many and what

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<v Speaker 3>kind of birds we have, and if there's a real

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00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:25.119
<v Speaker 3>problem with one species or two, then you can turn

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<v Speaker 3>a little at tension towards the conservation of that, making

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<v Speaker 3>their habitat better or their food sources better or something

792
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:34.239
<v Speaker 3>like that. So it's a management skill and it's an

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<v Speaker 3>inventory of what we have. Our population changes all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>so we need to know.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's useful to have it at the same time

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<v Speaker 2>every year, even though the actual date changes. Of course,

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00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:47.360
<v Speaker 2>you know they need to have it on a weekend

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<v Speaker 2>so humans can actually participate. The birds have different schedules,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, but then you have that consistency from your

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<v Speaker 2>dear that it's always that second weekend in February or

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<v Speaker 2>third weekend in February or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, then your birds are pretty much in the same

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<v Speaker 3>place as they were last year at your feeder or

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00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.440
<v Speaker 3>the same places in your in your yard or your

805
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:11.400
<v Speaker 3>woodland nearby, or the walking trails whatever out in the fields.

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<v Speaker 2>And so with the backguard great bird count, is any

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<v Speaker 2>contribution valuable? Like even if you can only watch for

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<v Speaker 2>you know, five minutes and you do only see a

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<v Speaker 2>morning dove or you know something like that, is that

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<v Speaker 2>still useful?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that's one reason that they haven't spread

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<v Speaker 3>for such a long time, because you're not going to

813
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<v Speaker 3>be watching for that time. You can go and spend

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen minutes and take a note, and then next time

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<v Speaker 3>you're fixing the dinner or something that that you look

816
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<v Speaker 3>out to do another fifteen minutes and you come, you

817
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:45.000
<v Speaker 3>pile it together, and all of a sudden you find

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<v Speaker 3>you the species that are coming in on a consistent basis,

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<v Speaker 3>and you've got your observation for your territory. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, anyone who can even dedicate a few minutes and

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not you have a feeder. Right, This is

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<v Speaker 2>not dependent on whether you have a feeder. It's just

823
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<v Speaker 2>whatever birds are present in your backyard where you are well.

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<v Speaker 3>You greatly increase your possibilities if you have a feeder

825
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:13.440
<v Speaker 3>and uh water, Yeah, you know, heated bird baths one

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<v Speaker 3>of the two because that attracts the birds and sewet

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<v Speaker 3>which is a different group of birds too. Woodpeckers and

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00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.960
<v Speaker 3>that are more into the suet where your seed feeders

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<v Speaker 3>are are different groups of birds. But uh, then you've

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<v Speaker 3>got the full full population available at that time, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for the you know, whenever, whenever you had chance to

832
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<v Speaker 3>look at it. You don't have to spend a lot

833
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:36.719
<v Speaker 3>of time doing it.

834
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm amazed at the great work done by many

835
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:45.320
<v Speaker 1>organizations and many people that care about these beautiful birds

836
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 1>that we enjoy in our outdoor environments along with our plants.

837
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:54.559
<v Speaker 1>Cornell University and the Autuban Society, and it goes on

838
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.679
<v Speaker 1>and on. I remember in the past interviewing someone who

839
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.360
<v Speaker 1>volunteered to pick up birds at the base of a

840
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:09.639
<v Speaker 1>tall building year round and dead birds that had struck

841
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:12.360
<v Speaker 1>the building, and I was, you know, during the interview,

842
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:14.480
<v Speaker 1>I was saying, how do you do it. I would

843
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.920
<v Speaker 1>be so depressed at the end of the day walking away.

844
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:22.079
<v Speaker 1>But it's important work that they're doing.

845
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:22.800
<v Speaker 3>Bill.

846
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:26.559
<v Speaker 1>When it comes to the environment, the health of birds

847
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:31.239
<v Speaker 1>and wildlife in our landscapes are just a snapshot, like

848
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:34.599
<v Speaker 1>you said, of how healthy our environment is.

849
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:39.039
<v Speaker 3>Well, they are in a canary in the mine for

850
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:43.159
<v Speaker 3>the whole population. Yes, it's an indicator of health, and

851
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:48.039
<v Speaker 3>birds are one of the primary indicators because they're more vulnerable.

852
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:52.039
<v Speaker 3>You can see the population fluctuations first, and birds before

853
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:53.880
<v Speaker 3>other things are apparent.

854
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Just to pause here.

855
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:10.800
<v Speaker 3>Yelling to launch and also amphibians.

856
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:14.880
<v Speaker 2>But I know, I think we're all just sitting here

857
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:16.280
<v Speaker 2>going gosh, it's really sad.

858
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:19.920
<v Speaker 1>So Birdman. The other thought that runs through my mind.

859
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:23.760
<v Speaker 1>I went outside this morning to clear snow from the driveway,

860
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:28.440
<v Speaker 1>and it was quiet and very cold, but I listened

861
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:32.639
<v Speaker 1>to the cardinals singing in the trees. But I wanted

862
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:35.079
<v Speaker 1>to remind people of something you taught me a long

863
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.599
<v Speaker 1>time ago, and that is it's at this time of

864
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:41.039
<v Speaker 1>the year that, more than just about any time of

865
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:43.719
<v Speaker 1>the year, water is important for birds.

866
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.199
<v Speaker 3>Right It is the most important right now because they

867
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:49.079
<v Speaker 3>can't get it easily. They can't melt snow and have

868
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.320
<v Speaker 3>it be effective with their body temperatures. They need to

869
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:58.079
<v Speaker 3>have flowing their water that's unfrozen, whether it's along the curb,

870
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:00.559
<v Speaker 3>or whether it's along a crook bank, or of all

871
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.119
<v Speaker 3>a bird bath that has a heater in it so

872
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.239
<v Speaker 3>they can just come anytime they need it. And they

873
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.199
<v Speaker 3>need to take clean So they need to take baths

874
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:11.400
<v Speaker 3>occasionally too to keep the picks and the other things off,

875
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:13.519
<v Speaker 3>because they need their feathers to be efficient.

876
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I remember that polar vortex winter of twenty fifteen when

877
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>everything just froze solid, and the number of dead birds

878
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:23.440
<v Speaker 1>that we saw out there. Like I said, why don't

879
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.119
<v Speaker 1>we queue up old Yeller and watch the end here?

880
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Now that we're depressed, let's move on to something more happy,

881
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.079
<v Speaker 1>hummingbirds and robins and all of that good stuff that's

882
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:34.679
<v Speaker 1>coming soon.

883
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:39.119
<v Speaker 3>Right yesterday I saw four robins and three male bluebirds

884
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:43.079
<v Speaker 3>in a sunny spot, so they're they're looking around for

885
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:46.159
<v Speaker 3>a few of the berries that are left. They're looking

886
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:48.239
<v Speaker 3>at the sunny spots on the next of the building

887
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:52.000
<v Speaker 3>where the ground is now clear because it's been reflexively heated,

888
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.039
<v Speaker 3>so they're stretching in that along the bases of the

889
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:58.119
<v Speaker 3>trees where there's still a little ground showing through, and

890
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.599
<v Speaker 3>along the streams where there's some green to eat eat

891
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:04.920
<v Speaker 3>things and fine bug. So they're struggling out, but they're

892
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.079
<v Speaker 3>doing just fine.

893
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I think I'm still sad.

894
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:16.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm depressed. I'm going home.

895
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:20.760
<v Speaker 2>We're sick of winter, bill, Yeah, as I'm sure the

896
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:21.320
<v Speaker 2>birds are.

897
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm ready for spring. Well.

898
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:27.719
<v Speaker 1>And of course people on YouTube watch us all around

899
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:31.199
<v Speaker 1>the world, or they're watching in the south, and they're

900
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:34.920
<v Speaker 1>wondering what we're talking about here, right, that's true.

901
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, there's some benefits to this. There are no mosquitos

902
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:40.320
<v Speaker 3>fighting me today, that's true.

903
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.079
<v Speaker 2>We got to be grateful for those things. So as

904
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:45.559
<v Speaker 2>spring does come closer, what are some of the first

905
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.360
<v Speaker 2>migrants that are going to come back that we should

906
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:50.719
<v Speaker 2>have our eyes peeled for.

907
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:54.280
<v Speaker 3>When you see a plot of red winged blackbirds at

908
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:56.320
<v Speaker 3>the edge of a field, and you know things are

909
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.960
<v Speaker 3>coming on. When you look up in the sky and

910
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.679
<v Speaker 3>you see angels flying over and calling, When you look

911
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.800
<v Speaker 3>up in the sky and you see some ducks and

912
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:10.159
<v Speaker 3>geese and trumpeter swan's going on over, you know things

913
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:10.920
<v Speaker 3>are starting to move.

914
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:14.199
<v Speaker 2>And why the red wing blackbird. I'm curious about that.

915
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:20.159
<v Speaker 3>Do they migrate, Yeah, yeah, they move further south and

916
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:24.639
<v Speaker 3>then they come back and flocks. They don't migrate very far.

917
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:26.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't think they just go down to where there's

918
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:29.960
<v Speaker 3>not so much snow. It isn't everybody goes to Florida.

919
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.039
<v Speaker 3>They go to Tennessee or or you know, there's become

920
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:35.280
<v Speaker 3>good things in Tennessee. They got horses and whiskey. They

921
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:36.960
<v Speaker 3>got good things.

922
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:44.079
<v Speaker 1>And those red winged blackbirds they're just establishing their perch.

923
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:47.599
<v Speaker 1>So come spring, when I'm out there running on the trail,

924
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:50.719
<v Speaker 1>they've got their clear vantage point to peck me in

925
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:51.199
<v Speaker 1>the heads.

926
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:54.840
<v Speaker 3>They set up a little exercise parlors around you, so

927
00:48:54.920 --> 00:49:00.239
<v Speaker 3>they're they're really in shape to do that.

928
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:06.280
<v Speaker 1>That's great, So hummingbirds. Everyone looks forward to to that

929
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:09.440
<v Speaker 1>time of the year. I was looking online in social

930
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:13.360
<v Speaker 1>media and saw just the most incredible picture of an

931
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:20.239
<v Speaker 1>indigo bunting in a field of flowers. Talk about gorgeous color,

932
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.559
<v Speaker 1>you know. And I'm a person who has always felt

933
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:27.000
<v Speaker 1>in Major League Baseball, you've got the Orioles, you've got

934
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.119
<v Speaker 1>the Blue Jays, you've got the Cardinals. I've always felt

935
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:33.440
<v Speaker 1>there should be an Indigo bunting team. I love that

936
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:34.159
<v Speaker 1>bird bill.

937
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:38.599
<v Speaker 3>They're great. They like little brambles and there is a

938
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.639
<v Speaker 3>little spark and blue that's down inside the raspberry bushes

939
00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:44.800
<v Speaker 3>and there, and that's where they ens, and that's where

940
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:46.679
<v Speaker 3>they live. But oh boy, are there's something when you

941
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:47.119
<v Speaker 3>see them?

942
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:48.280
<v Speaker 2>They really are?

943
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:53.320
<v Speaker 1>They are so any remaining words of wisdom for us

944
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:57.199
<v Speaker 1>here birdman, as we we anxiously await spring.

945
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:00.880
<v Speaker 3>Keep the bird feeders in a sewet is full, leave

946
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:06.519
<v Speaker 3>your peter plugged in, and uh stay turned, put the

947
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.079
<v Speaker 3>logs in a fireplace, and wait where it's on the

948
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:12.239
<v Speaker 3>downhill slide. The days are getting longer, they are.

949
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.079
<v Speaker 1>We're talking to the birdman, Bill Stoville. Hey, Bill, any

950
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.519
<v Speaker 1>idea when the loons are going to arrive on the

951
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:18.199
<v Speaker 1>lake for you?

952
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:23.480
<v Speaker 3>I'll bet it's going to be March fifteenth to nineteenth.

953
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh really?

954
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Is there a line in Vegas on that?

955
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, I take the nineteenth actually been the nineteenth

956
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:33.679
<v Speaker 3>a pretty pretty often. It's there's not a lot of

957
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:40.920
<v Speaker 3>gamblers for that. You gotta be loony to do that.

958
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, so you are the loon ranger, aren't your Bill?

959
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:51.559
<v Speaker 3>Yes? I am the ranger southernmost late in Bury County

960
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:53.719
<v Speaker 3>or in the United States, it has loons.

961
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, and that's only a month away, so that is

962
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:57.719
<v Speaker 2>definitely something to look forward to.

963
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 3>A month away, and the male will come in first,

964
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:02.960
<v Speaker 3>and a couple of weeks later, the next week the

965
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:06.320
<v Speaker 3>female will come in and they'll start paddling around and

966
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:10.440
<v Speaker 3>diving and cooling and doing their pair bonding, and pretty simon,

967
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:13.719
<v Speaker 3>I'll have nests and eggs and foots in the air.

968
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:15.559
<v Speaker 2>Well. I love it, you know.

969
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Alan Armitage has told us Bill that the reason we

970
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:22.280
<v Speaker 1>garden gardeners never get old because they always have something

971
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.119
<v Speaker 1>to look forward to. I guess the same could be

972
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:26.920
<v Speaker 1>said for birders right.

973
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, the life, the spring, the rejuvenation happiness that goes

974
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:36.239
<v Speaker 3>along with it, the color and the song, the fresh

975
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.480
<v Speaker 3>air from the leaves that are growing and creating oxygen

976
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:43.119
<v Speaker 3>forest in the woods. It's just rebirth. It's a great thing,

977
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:43.960
<v Speaker 3>it really is.

978
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Bill, I feel so much better.

979
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad we were able to end on a happy

980
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:49.880
<v Speaker 2>note too.

981
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:51.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, instead of a silent pause.

982
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's always fun to talk to you bird man,

983
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:02.320
<v Speaker 1>and thank you for your enthusiasm them for wildlife. And birds.

984
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:03.519
<v Speaker 1>We really appreciate you.

985
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.119
<v Speaker 3>Well. It takes a group of us to make it happen,

986
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:09.320
<v Speaker 3>and it's happening with us, So thank you very much

987
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:10.920
<v Speaker 3>for letting me play well.

988
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:13.599
<v Speaker 2>Thanks Bill, take care take care of Bell youto. Well,

989
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about you, but that made me even

990
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.079
<v Speaker 2>more ready for spring than I already was. And I

991
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:19.719
<v Speaker 2>was already pretty ready for spring.

992
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:20.679
<v Speaker 1>I have spring fever.

993
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:25.400
<v Speaker 2>I think you had spring fever since November. November, we

994
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:28.679
<v Speaker 2>want to thank Birdman Bill Stovell for joining us. Thank you, Rick,

995
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:30.840
<v Speaker 2>thank you, thank you Adriana, and of course thank you

996
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:33.639
<v Speaker 2>so much to all of you for listening and watching.

997
00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:36.320
<v Speaker 2>We hope you can join us on Friday, February twenty

998
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:40.159
<v Speaker 2>first for our new Plants live reveal on YouTube. We'll

999
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:40.559
<v Speaker 2>see you then