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Speaker 2: And I'm Jake Knovak in with you live this evening
Speaker 2: in for the Great Roger Stone. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for the opportunity, and it's kind of a cool time
Speaker 2: to be on the air live because we're counting down
Speaker 2: to President Trump's highly anticipated still kind of stealthy live
Speaker 2: address to the nation. We're expecting it to be about
Speaker 2: election integrity, which could be anything from discussing the problems
Speaker 2: with ballot harvesting, the problems with mail and ballots in general,
Speaker 2: to specific elections that he might pinpoint that have some
Speaker 2: really funky stuff that went on that were never explained.
Speaker 2: And as I peak at the mainstream news media, there
Speaker 2: disingenuous non journalistic previews for this speech. They're all saying
Speaker 2: that basically, Trump's gonna lie, don't listen. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is what journalists are, this is what journalism is in
Speaker 2: a Marria in twenty twenty six, telling people not to
Speaker 2: pay attention to the president talking and they wonder why
Speaker 2: they know their business model is dying and so many
Speaker 2: people are getting laid off. It's going to be an
Speaker 2: interesting speech. There were some reports a few days ago
Speaker 2: that he might pinpoint the two Senate elections in Georgia,
Speaker 2: where we have Rafael Warnock and John Ossoff, two Democrats
Speaker 2: in a really red state of Georgia. I know that
Speaker 2: the elections there are closer than they've been in recent
Speaker 2: years in some cases, and they did vote for Clinton.
Speaker 2: But george is a pretty deep red state, and that
Speaker 2: was proven during the twenty twenty four elections with less
Speaker 2: chickanery going on there, and Trump won Georgia pretty clearly.
Speaker 2: So he might talk about that. He might talk about,
Speaker 2: for example, what happened in Wisconsin where suddenly they closed
Speaker 2: the doors and we don't know what happened and suddenly
Speaker 2: a bunch of votes get counted. Of course, that was
Speaker 2: really also more of an issue in the Atlanta Fulton
Speaker 2: County elections offices in twenty twenty. So there may be
Speaker 2: these kinds of discussions and before you fall for and
Speaker 2: I'm sure many of you listening here aren't falling for it,
Speaker 2: but before you fall for the narratives that you're going
Speaker 2: to hear that I'm seeing on these other mainstream channels
Speaker 2: just out of the corner of my eye saying these
Speaker 2: saying that everything Trump says tonight is debunked. It's not debunked.
Speaker 2: It was never investigated. We don't audit our elections in
Speaker 2: this country. We should, but until we do, then you
Speaker 2: can't say this is a debunk claim, debunked by whom?
Speaker 2: Were there investigators who looked into it, and really no
Speaker 2: it Just because you say it's debunked doesn't mean it's debunked.
Speaker 2: But as I always say, and I hope everyone who
Speaker 2: hasn't heard this before will listen to it now. And
Speaker 2: if you have heard me say it before, just please
Speaker 2: remember this. And this is of course the biggest problem
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, where we had this massive number of
Speaker 2: millions and millions and millions of mail in ballots. But
Speaker 2: I don't care if you have one mail in ballot
Speaker 2: or ten million or one hundred million. The same thing
Speaker 2: that I'm about to say is true. Mail and ballots
Speaker 2: are not secret ballots, duh, they're not. See And if
Speaker 2: you don't have a secret ballot in your election, it's
Speaker 2: not legitimate period fraud or no fraud. A mail in
Speaker 2: ballot filled out by I don't know who, under whose
Speaker 2: influence I don't know is not legitimate, and we have
Speaker 2: American history to prove it. Non secret balloting in this
Speaker 2: country was banned, and it got a lot of traction
Speaker 2: in the years after reconstruction when we had competitive elections
Speaker 2: in the South again and they put a ballot box
Speaker 2: for Republicans and a ballot box for Democrats, and very
Speaker 2: often you voted at work so your boss could see
Speaker 2: how you voted, or you voted in public, not secret ballots.
Speaker 2: And once again, here is my gift to those who
Speaker 2: want to fight for election integrity. Here it is, this
Speaker 2: is something better than you get from the professional political
Speaker 2: consultants who are all all bad at what they do
Speaker 2: and are all bad people. Full time political consultants are
Speaker 2: bad human beings. There are a huge reason why our
Speaker 2: country is a mess right now because they continue to
Speaker 2: have influence even after elections, and they mold policy based
Speaker 2: on small polls here and there, and they all think
Speaker 2: they're successful because gee, you know, in a fifty to
Speaker 2: fifty society, because we do have a pretty split electorate
Speaker 2: in this country, even the worst political consultant's going to
Speaker 2: be batting five hundred. But here's my gift. Here's some
Speaker 2: good political advice. If I were a political consultant. Here's
Speaker 2: some gold I'm gonna give you, and I've given it
Speaker 2: to the country before, no charge. Again, my alter ego
Speaker 2: is Jake Novak, unemployable political consultant. Why am I unemployable?
Speaker 2: Because I give good advice and I want the country
Speaker 2: to do well instead of some guy running for dogcatcher.
Speaker 2: So here it is, you want to stop mail in
Speaker 2: balloting in this country because it's all illegitimate. A mail
Speaker 2: in ballot is illegitimate by its face on his face,
Speaker 2: fraud or no fraud. It's not a secret ballot. My god,
Speaker 2: how many hundreds of years in our society have we known,
Speaker 2: in all society that non secret ballots aren't legitimate? How
Speaker 2: long have we nound this? Hundreds of years. I think
Speaker 2: the Australians are the first to figure this out, the
Speaker 2: first secret ballot. I think we're called the Australian ballot.
Speaker 2: But whatever, here's what you do. You put a commercial on.
Speaker 2: You get a guy in a wife beater T shirt,
Speaker 2: big burly, disgusting guy leaning over his wife with her
Speaker 2: shaky hand, filling out the mail in ballot and we
Speaker 2: all know what's going on there. That'll solve the problem.
Speaker 2: Real fast. I don't know who's forcing who to fill
Speaker 2: out what bubble in the paper. I don't know if
Speaker 2: people know what they're doing. I don't know if they
Speaker 2: have any privacy whatsoever. And that's why mail in ballots,
Speaker 2: among other things, are not legitimate. I don't want to
Speaker 2: see any mail in ballots and any election ever, not one. Well,
Speaker 2: but Jake, what about our troops overseas. They can vote
Speaker 2: on a secure laptop like people do in embassies and
Speaker 2: consulates for foreign countries all over the world. But what
Speaker 2: if they're in a battle. They're in a battle, they're
Speaker 2: not voting yet, jack Wagon, they're getting shot at. I
Speaker 2: don't think filling out a ballot is going to be
Speaker 2: their first priority, do you you moron? If you're on
Speaker 2: a military base overseas, you can go to the PX
Speaker 2: and vote on a secure laptop. That's it. No mail
Speaker 2: in ballots. And I really hope that the President tonight
Speaker 2: makes that argument or something along those lines. I know
Speaker 2: he's gonna if this speech really is about election integrity,
Speaker 2: I know he's going to continue some of the messages
Speaker 2: he's made in the past, rightfully so, denigrating the validity
Speaker 2: of mail in ballots, but I hope he goes as
Speaker 2: far as I do and remind people that no mail
Speaker 2: in ballot is ever legitimate in any election. I don't
Speaker 2: want to see any non secret ballots cast in any election.
Speaker 2: They're phony, they're not reliable. And I'm all for voter
Speaker 2: at convenience. If you want to vote in person a
Speaker 2: week or two before the election, fine, as long as
Speaker 2: you're voting in person and a secret booth ballot kind
Speaker 2: of situation like we have. And I think that giving
Speaker 2: people a week or ten days before an election day,
Speaker 2: like so many states and cities do, to vote in
Speaker 2: person like that is more than enough accommodation for people.
Speaker 2: I want to see great voter participation out there, I
Speaker 2: really do, but there's only so much we can do.
Speaker 2: If we're dragging people to vote and forcing them to
Speaker 2: vote and pushing their nose into the ballot, then that's
Speaker 2: also not really legitimate. It's kind of like co worst charity.
Speaker 2: One of the great Jewish rabbis and philosophers of all
Speaker 2: times said that about charity. If you're forcing someone to
Speaker 2: give charity, then it's not charity. It may not be
Speaker 2: a sin per se, but it's certainly not a good
Speaker 2: deed if you're forced to do it. Co worce, charity
Speaker 2: is not charity, and co worse, voting is not really
Speaker 2: legitimate either. I would love so sure vote in person
Speaker 2: ten days in advance you want to, that's great, vote
Speaker 2: on election day even better. Mail in ballots never, never
Speaker 2: should be allowed. Even Democrats like Jimmy Carter used to
Speaker 2: know this well. I don't know if he died knowing this.
Speaker 2: Maybe he changed his tune, but he talked about this.
Speaker 2: Remember for years after his presidency. He was one of
Speaker 2: those election and inspectors that the UN would send to
Speaker 2: places or the US would send the places, usually Latin America,
Speaker 2: and he denigrated the whole idea of mail in ballots rightfully.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: But if President Trump goes into specific election stuff about
Speaker 2: how ballots showed up late somewhere and talks about ballot harvesting,
Speaker 2: which is also illegitimate. Someone going into a neighborhood with
Speaker 2: a bunch of ballots and telling people here, sign this,
Speaker 2: when we have no idea whether the person knows what
Speaker 2: they're signing. And also that isn't a secret ballot. That
Speaker 2: should not be legitimate. We should not be allowed ballot harvesting.
Speaker 2: So I'm sure he'll talk about a lot of these things,
Speaker 2: and we should give it our attention. Folks don't listen
Speaker 2: to what the mainstream media says. There's no evidence of it,
Speaker 2: there's no evidence, that's never any investigation. These elections don't
Speaker 2: get audited. The FBI has been investigating under the Trump
Speaker 2: this new Trump term, the second term of Trump, and
Speaker 2: maybe he'll talk about some of the things that have
Speaker 2: been uncovered. I understand that a good deal of the
Speaker 2: country is not going to believe what the president says
Speaker 2: about this, that there is indeed evidence of it, but
Speaker 2: I want to hear it. And you got AOC Alexandria
Speaker 2: Casio Cortez, the congresswoman from New York, saying that no
Speaker 2: one should air his speech. You know, here's a little
Speaker 2: bit of a cheat sheet. And there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people who say things publicly. I'm going to place some
Speaker 2: some of those guys later in this program. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of guys and gals who say things public who
Speaker 2: really wish didn't say anything. I really don't like them.
Speaker 2: But one of those cheat sheets in life is if
Speaker 2: you have somebody who says someone shouldn't be given the mic.
Speaker 2: Someone should never be allowed to speak pretty good. It's
Speaker 2: pretty good, you know, indicator that the person telling the
Speaker 2: other people they can't speak is the bad guy. You're
Speaker 2: the bad guy if you say you should turn off
Speaker 2: the mic. I'm you know. I got into an argument
Speaker 2: today online with the big namejournalist who I don't think
Speaker 2: is a very good guy. I don't think he should
Speaker 2: be censored. Kind of hate what he said, but I
Speaker 2: don't think he should be censored. Jeez, if I need
Speaker 2: my opponents to be censored, then I'm really not much
Speaker 2: of a of a pundit or someone who more important.
Speaker 2: I really don't like that term pundit. I like to
Speaker 2: be an essayist and someone who really wants to focus
Speaker 2: on good policy for America and good policy for America.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite good policies would be more election integrity.
Speaker 2: We have almost none right now. People do not trust
Speaker 2: the election process. It has been dirtied up by this
Speaker 2: whole mail in ballot explosion, by ballot harvesting, which is
Speaker 2: a form of mail in ballots, and it's very disturbing.
Speaker 2: It's very disturbing, and to call anyone who has a
Speaker 2: problem with these kinds of elections a problem where someone
Speaker 2: is leading by an x amount of os at three
Speaker 2: am and then the lights go off in the Board
Speaker 2: of Elections and suddenly there's a bunch of ballots that
Speaker 2: go the other way to call that person an election
Speaker 2: to deny or for questioning that is, you know, basically,
Speaker 2: that's gas lighting. And gaslighting is a really overused term.
Speaker 2: The two most overused terms in America today are gaslighting
Speaker 2: and narcissist. Usually when people say narcissists they mean that
Speaker 2: person's being selfish at that particular moment. Just because you're
Speaker 2: selfish a in one particular moment doesn't mean you're a
Speaker 2: full on narcissists. Full on narcissism is a pretty serious,
Speaker 2: serious disorder. There thankfully, very few of those in the
Speaker 2: world right now. There's some selfish people, but that's different.
Speaker 2: And gaslighting is also overused. But when you tell people
Speaker 2: who are getting very upset about weird stuff happening in
Speaker 2: elections in the late night hours, after the lights go
Speaker 2: out and suddenly a bunch of trucks pull up with
Speaker 2: some ballasy, you don't know where the hell they came from.
Speaker 2: It's not being hysterical. We all have a right to
Speaker 2: ask those questions. Don't gaslight us into saying, well, you
Speaker 2: know there's no evidence. Do you mean there's no evidence?
Speaker 2: It's never the way things went in all the years
Speaker 2: of our elections in this country doesn't happen in a
Speaker 2: lot of other countries that have a lot of other problems,
Speaker 2: like France and Great Britain. They got a lot of
Speaker 2: problems in those countries, okay, but their elections seem to
Speaker 2: have them a lot more integrity. So these are legitimate questions,
Speaker 2: and I hope the President addresses each and every one
Speaker 2: of them. When I come back. Let's talk about the president,
Speaker 2: his number two at least in the constitutional roster, vice
Speaker 2: President Vance. I have some advice for him. Again, I
Speaker 2: will continue to take on my alter ego of Jake Novak,
Speaker 2: unemployable political consultant, because I actually have some good advice
Speaker 2: for the vice president. Stay soon for.
Speaker 1: That The Stone Zone Entertaining and Informative on the Red
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Speaker 2: And I'm Jake Novak filling in for Roger Stone and
Speaker 2: with me as my alter ego Jake Novak, unemployable political consultant.
Speaker 2: Why am I unemployable? Because I give good advice and
Speaker 2: the political consulting firms don't want people who give good advice.
Speaker 2: They like giving bad advice and they thrive on that.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to give some good advice now to
Speaker 2: our Vice President Jade Vance, who is doing everything all wrong.
Speaker 2: If he truly wants to run for president in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty eight, if he truly wants to have actually a
Speaker 2: strong political career, no matter what happens after this vice presidency,
Speaker 2: he needs to change a lot of what he's doing.
Speaker 2: And before I get into the Israel aspect of it,
Speaker 2: the alleged anti Semitism, let's just talk about the optics here.
Speaker 2: Let's just pretend he was talking about hamburgers and not
Speaker 2: Israel or widgets or whatever you want to talk about.
Speaker 2: First of all, he's appearing weak. He's going on Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan like he did earlier this week and complaining that
Speaker 2: there's a campaign against him. That's weak. That's weak. You
Speaker 2: got to come off strong, even if you are being persecuted,
Speaker 2: even if there is some unfairness. You come off strong,
Speaker 2: not like a whiny little boy, which he did. Never
Speaker 2: do that. I don't care if you're a Republican Democrat,
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. The Democrats like strength in their candidates. They
Speaker 2: don't nominate good strong candidates, but they don't have really
Speaker 2: many choices, but they would like to see more strength.
Speaker 2: They love the nastiness. Ninety nine percent of Gavin Newsom's appeal,
Speaker 2: which is not as strong as it was a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. Let's face it, he's having a hard time,
Speaker 2: but ninety nine percent of his appeals. That of his appeals.
Speaker 2: This is a nasty sob on social media, which I
Speaker 2: don't think is really that great, but just goes to
Speaker 2: show being stronger rather than a whiner can work for you.
Speaker 2: So here he is on Joe Rogan saying, well, you
Speaker 2: know the deal with the Irandan work out, and it's
Speaker 2: he's blaming Israel for it, which is just again imagine
Speaker 2: he's saying the word hamburgers. Take take the Israel part
Speaker 2: out of the equation. This is a whiny boy as
Speaker 2: our vice president and it's not good optics or audio.
Speaker 4: Listen, and again with limitations like when the Iranians hit ships,
Speaker 4: the president has been willing to knock the hell out
Speaker 4: of the Iranians in response. This is not just a negotiation,
Speaker 4: it's negotiation. Its military as all these things, but I
Speaker 4: know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're people
Speaker 4: within the Israeli government who are trying to like actually
Speaker 4: shift us away from that policy because they want to
Speaker 4: continue the military campaign.
Speaker 2: And I had this whole deal. I did my homework,
Speaker 2: I wrote a memorandum of understanding and everyone signed it.
Speaker 2: And these really didn't want to do it. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: didn't want to do it because Yiran is an evil
Speaker 2: regime not to be trusted. I don't care what paper
Speaker 2: they signed. Any person could have told you that, and
Speaker 2: I did, and I tried to get everyone to understand that.
Speaker 2: Don't be such a whiny little person. And I said
Speaker 2: this to him all the pro Israel friends too, don't
Speaker 2: be whiny about what's in this memorandum of understanding because
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. It could be us promising you ran
Speaker 2: unicorns and rainbows. They would still break it. The only
Speaker 2: question we needed to ask then, as we do now,
Speaker 2: is what is President Trump going to do when they
Speaker 2: do break it? Because they will break it. And that
Speaker 2: didn't take long, did it. This is a whiny vice president.
Speaker 2: That's not good. Usually, the vice president's role traditionally has
Speaker 2: been to be even nastier than the price, take the
Speaker 2: bully pulpit, do what the president wants, talk about what
Speaker 2: the president wants in a really, really even tougher sharper way.
Speaker 2: That's how you do it. That's how you be as strong.
Speaker 2: That's how you are to be a strong vice president
Speaker 2: and a potential presidential successor at some point. Again, you
Speaker 2: think this is about Israel here, it's not. This is
Speaker 2: about optics. This is about how you sound. And this
Speaker 2: is someone complaining on the biggest podcast there is that
Speaker 2: the Israelis wanted to continue a way. Israelis don't want war.
Speaker 2: They just know that signing a little piece of paper
Speaker 2: isn't gonna matter and more people will die. But again,
Speaker 2: take the isn't a part of the equation out of
Speaker 2: it if you can. Most people can't. They're too craze
Speaker 2: one way or the other over Israel. And I understand that.
Speaker 2: But see if you can have a little bit more
Speaker 2: to say to JD. Vans in a second. This is free,
Speaker 2: real advice from someone who can't be employed by pocolitical
Speaker 2: consultancy firms because I give good advice. Stay with us
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Speaker 2: It's eight thirty four am East PMPM. My goodness, I
Speaker 2: do a lot of morning stuff, so that's why eight
Speaker 2: thirty four pm here Eastern time Zone. I'm Jake Novak
Speaker 2: filling in for Roger Stone this evening. And you know,
Speaker 2: a big reason why our country has so many political
Speaker 2: problems and cultural problems is because of political consultants. They're
Speaker 2: really bad at what they do, and for the most part,
Speaker 2: they're bad people. I'm talking about the people in DC
Speaker 2: who work at those big firms. They give bad advice,
Speaker 2: and whoever is advising jd Vance right now really should
Speaker 2: give back whatever money he's getting or she's getting, because
Speaker 2: they're doing a terrible job for the man they really
Speaker 2: are now. Ultimately, it's Jdvance's responseability. I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: remove him from responsibility or for the things he says
Speaker 2: and does. He's an adult and he's the Vice presid
Speaker 2: of the United States. But honestly, he's getting bad advice
Speaker 2: from people who either don't know their history or just
Speaker 2: don't know politics well enough to work in this country. So,
Speaker 2: in addition to as I said before the break and
Speaker 2: played the SoundBite of him complaining about Israel. He's working
Speaker 2: against him, and they wanted a war to continue, and
Speaker 2: it just didn't work for me, just coming off weak
Speaker 2: and whiny, which is never good. It's never good in politics,
Speaker 2: you know. Even phony bravado is better than real whining,
Speaker 2: even if you think you've got a reason to I
Speaker 2: learned that my senior year of high school was early
Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighty eight presidential primary process, and George
Speaker 2: hw Bush was getting a real challenge from Bob Dole.
Speaker 2: This is early nineteen eighty eight and George bus du
Speaker 2: Bush does a live interview with Dan Rapt on CBS
Speaker 2: News and he jumps down his throat and a lot
Speaker 2: of people were surprised because George hw Bush is like
Speaker 2: mister nice guy and kind of saw spoken, and people
Speaker 2: were saying he was kind of wimpy, and he just
Speaker 2: jumped down his throat and it was probably all a
Speaker 2: setup but by his campaign people back when there were
Speaker 2: better political advisors out there. But it worked. Gosh darn it.
Speaker 2: If it didn't work, it made him seem strong, and
Speaker 2: it took a lot of the momentum out of the
Speaker 2: Dole campaign. He and he pretty much cake walked to
Speaker 2: the nomination, give or take a couple of stumbles here
Speaker 2: and there in nineteen eighty eight. Now, another thing that
Speaker 2: doesn't get you good traction in addition to being a
Speaker 2: whiner is being a conspiracy theorist. As in the political realm,
Speaker 2: you can do that on podcasts and make a lot
Speaker 2: of money and do well. You can even do it
Speaker 2: in mainstream media now or on the media you can
Speaker 2: do that, But as a candidate you can't do that.
Speaker 2: And this time it is something specific. I want to
Speaker 2: get into the realm of anti semitism or Israel bashing,
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. Again, being whiny and complaining was
Speaker 2: the problem about the first thing I told you about.
Speaker 2: It wasn't really about being critical of Israel. If you
Speaker 2: can forget the Israel factor in that first part, please do.
Speaker 2: I know it's hard, I know it's really hard, but try.
Speaker 2: In this case though, don't forget it, because anti Semitism
Speaker 2: and Israel bashing has never really had great success in
Speaker 2: this country. Yes, it gets you in it it's like
Speaker 2: a drug. It gets you an initial boost, even sometimes
Speaker 2: a feeling of invulnerability. It's like cocaine. But then the
Speaker 2: half life is really short, and you end up having
Speaker 2: a really low ceiling to how far you can go.
Speaker 2: I know it feels like to a lot of people
Speaker 2: that anti Semitism is exploding right now and everyone's really
Speaker 2: doing great with it, but it's a great way to
Speaker 2: basically put a very low ceiling on your political career. Now,
Speaker 2: there is only one variable to that, the variable being
Speaker 2: that this country has bi legal and legal means imported
Speaker 2: a lot of anti Semitic haid into this country in
Speaker 2: the last ten fifteen years. A lot of those people
Speaker 2: coming through and through the open borders of the Biden
Speaker 2: administration were jew haters in a non American, Unamerican kind
Speaker 2: of way, and so they do add a little bit
Speaker 2: of a variable. But here's the thing, Jade Vance is
Speaker 2: a Republican. The kind of people who we've impoored into
Speaker 2: this country from people who hate America, places that hate America,
Speaker 2: people people who hate America who are some for some
Speaker 2: reason coming here anyway, They're not going to vote for
Speaker 2: a Republican. They're not going to vote for Jadvance, no
Speaker 2: matter how anti Semitic or anti Israel he may come
Speaker 2: off being. So in this next SoundBite, I'm going to
Speaker 2: play for me from this Joe Rogan interview that the
Speaker 2: Vice President gave. He puts the he does the double whammy,
Speaker 2: he does the conspiracy theory and the anti Semitism. Listen
Speaker 2: to this.
Speaker 4: He clearly had connections to the upper the highest levels
Speaker 4: of American intelligence. He clearly had connections to the highest
Speaker 4: levels of Israeli intelligence.
Speaker 1: Well, most people think he was Masad Yeah.
Speaker 4: Or Cia or some other deep state, whether in America
Speaker 4: or Israel or another country.
Speaker 2: Or he's talking about Jeffrey Epstein, so he's doing the
Speaker 2: Epstein thing with Joe Rogan and he say he clearly
Speaker 2: there's absolutely no evidence of that. There's no evidence of that. Also,
Speaker 2: it just defies all logic. Look at all the Jewish
Speaker 2: pro Israel people who have been ensnared in this Epstein scandal.
Speaker 2: People originally people like Alan Dershowitz, who's had to fight
Speaker 2: back against a lot of libel and slander allegations. I
Speaker 2: don't think he was involved in anything really disgusting with
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, but he was working with him. Would why
Speaker 2: would Mosad want to smear him? Why would Mosad want
Speaker 2: to smear Larry Summers. There's a few other Jewish people
Speaker 2: who have been very badly tainted by Jeffrey Epstein pro
Speaker 2: Israel people. It makes no sense that he would be
Speaker 2: with Mosad. It makes no sense that he would be
Speaker 2: with an intelligen community. Would an intelligence community to be
Speaker 2: interested in some of the dealings he was having some
Speaker 2: of the compromising positions he had some of these people
Speaker 2: get into, sure, but he wasn't working for them. There's
Speaker 2: no evidence of that. And you know, we've got all
Speaker 2: these files and there's no evidence of that. But he's
Speaker 2: playing this conspiracy theory. And I'm I'm telling you right now.
Speaker 2: It works in podcasts. It's going to work for Joe Rogan,
Speaker 2: real well, it's going to work for Tucker Carlson, real well,
Speaker 2: it's going to work for a lot of people in
Speaker 2: those kinds of professions really well. But it's not going
Speaker 2: to work well in an American campaign. Ask Father Coglin.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many of the listeners right now
Speaker 2: know who Father Coughlin was, but he was a Catholic
Speaker 2: priest who was hugely popular on the radio for many
Speaker 2: years virulin anti Semite until the archdias has told him
Speaker 2: to cut it out. Took a long time for that
Speaker 2: to happen, but he flamed. He had a very low
Speaker 2: ceiling to how far he was going to go. He
Speaker 2: was going to be a radio personality soaking up old
Speaker 2: school anti Semitism. He was never going to be anything
Speaker 2: other than that. And Jade Vance does the double wami
Speaker 2: here the conspiracy theory thing, which also does or it
Speaker 2: actually it makes it seem The thing about conspiracy theories
Speaker 2: that I don't like is they promote powerlessness, the idea
Speaker 2: of powerlessness that there's all these guys behind the scenes
Speaker 2: doing X, Y and z and we can't do anything
Speaker 2: about it. Well, in that case, you know, why bother running?
Speaker 2: Why don't you just go live in a bunker somewhere.
Speaker 2: You know, I got to have some hope when somebody's running,
Speaker 2: whether you're right wing or left wing, I gotta have
Speaker 2: someone running who's saying there's something wrong out there and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna fix it. Not I don't know who's doing this,
Speaker 2: it's there. They're unbeatable, they can't be defeated. There's a
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory out there. I mean, it's just it's so defeatist.
Speaker 2: It also doesn't give me any specific idea of what
Speaker 2: you're going to do. To fix it. Man, Vice President Vance,
Speaker 2: you are getting some really really bad advice. Ultimately you're
Speaker 2: responsible for it, but you got to find out. You
Speaker 2: gotta do something about who's giving you this bad advice.
Speaker 2: You know, the only little variable you got going for
Speaker 2: you is that the whole anti Semitism thing, which puts
Speaker 2: a very low ceiling on your future, might be a
Speaker 2: little bit more loo gritive now in some ways, because
Speaker 2: again we've impourted tens of millions of jew haters into
Speaker 2: this country and women haters and America haters and freedom haters.
Speaker 2: But ultimately they're not voting Republican ever. And ultimately, you know,
Speaker 2: that's another issue. They're anti Americans. So I really don't
Speaker 2: know where you're going for them. You're going for the
Speaker 2: non patriotic group. It makes no sense. It's a stupid
Speaker 2: political strategy. If you can summit and most of us
Speaker 2: can't do it, and I understand why you can't do it,
Speaker 2: but just imagine for a second that we're not talking
Speaker 2: about Jewish people, we're not talking about anti Semitism, we're
Speaker 2: not talking about Israel. Just try to get out of that.
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of people online who you
Speaker 2: know who talk about me and another guy here at
Speaker 2: our parent network here WABC sid Rosmen, we're always talking
Speaker 2: about these the Jews and Israel. Well, actually you're always
Speaker 2: talking about them. It's your obsession. But here's your chance.
Speaker 2: I'm going to remove those things. Would you vote for
Speaker 2: someone who's whining about somebody working against them. That's not
Speaker 2: a strong persona to project yourself as a candidate. Would
Speaker 2: you vote for someone who's who's who's promoting conspiracy theories
Speaker 2: with no evidence, even if you believe them. Remember, the
Speaker 2: point of talking about conspiracy theories all the time is
Speaker 2: just to remind everyone how powerless we are, how we
Speaker 2: don't know. Really, we can't get to the folks who
Speaker 2: are doing X, Y and z. That's not what we
Speaker 2: go to the polls to vote for. It might be
Speaker 2: completely irra you know, irrational, but we vote for in
Speaker 2: the hope that the guy or gal we're voting for
Speaker 2: is going to fix this thing, not going to complain
Speaker 2: about it, not gonna tell us well, there's an unseen
Speaker 2: hand of power here. I can't get No. That's that
Speaker 2: doesn't do anything. That's great for a podcast, it's great
Speaker 2: for a session in the common room, at the dorm
Speaker 2: where everyone's a little drunk or stoned and you're talking
Speaker 2: about your stupid theories. But it's death politically. It's death politically.
Speaker 2: And if you do that kind of stuff, you project
Speaker 2: yourself is weak and as a loser. And there's one
Speaker 2: more thing I'll say about the whole JD advanced thing
Speaker 2: that I have said for years and I think is absolutely, undeniably,
Speaker 2: objectively true. If you remember nothing else, remember this. You
Speaker 2: don't want to be the front runner for president anywhere
Speaker 2: before eight or seven months before general election day. Being
Speaker 2: a front runner for president a year out, two years out,
Speaker 2: two years in, change out is death. It puts a
Speaker 2: huge target on you. It puts all the focus on you,
Speaker 2: and it almost always ends up in you not winning.
Speaker 2: There are some exceptions. I mean Donald Trump being the
Speaker 2: front runner for the Republican nomination in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: It doesn't really count. The guy was the incumbent president basically,
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't in office. And you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, he had already had a term. He was
Speaker 2: already in the public eye in that way, he already
Speaker 2: had the bulls eye around him. He breaks up a
Speaker 2: lot of the norms and the axioms of politics. But
Speaker 2: you don't want to be a front runner too early
Speaker 2: in this game, folks, it's death. Ask Howard Dean, Ask
Speaker 2: Paul songas you probably remember who the heck that is.
Speaker 2: Ask Hillary Clinton. She was a front runner way too
Speaker 2: early in the process. And you don't want that. So
Speaker 2: if Jade Vance was doing this thing to push the
Speaker 2: memorandum of understanding and to go on Joe Rogan now
Speaker 2: and do all these kinds of things in the hopes
Speaker 2: of getting into the inside lane for president in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty eight, even if he just did everything right, even
Speaker 2: if he took all the used all the right persona,
Speaker 2: used all the right messages which he did, which he didn't,
Speaker 2: it would still not be so smart. Now you're still
Speaker 2: the vice president. You can't go run and run and
Speaker 2: hide under a tree. But if you do have to
Speaker 2: say something, do big picture stuff. And honestly, I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people talk about Marco Rubio. He's not
Speaker 2: even we don't even know if he's running for president,
Speaker 2: but if he is, this is the kind of thing
Speaker 2: that you would want to do two years in change
Speaker 2: before general election day, talking about big picture stuff, large
Speaker 2: policy stuff and sounding like a statesman.
Speaker 5: Here he is today the most essential duty of the state,
Speaker 5: The first responsibility, frankly, of any government of any kind
Speaker 5: is the protection of its people. It's the protection of
Speaker 5: its country. This is a sacred obligation that should transcend
Speaker 5: all political and all ideological divisions. It is why, for example,
Speaker 5: we have militaries, have intelligence agencies. It's why counter terrorism
Speaker 5: bureaus exist, why police forces exist. Keeping our people safe
Speaker 5: is the reason why every country represented here has all
Speaker 5: of these things the most.
Speaker 2: So, you know, again, large scale, the first job of
Speaker 2: our political structure is to keep people safe. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: Thomas High. That's some of the great political philosophy. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he's running. I really don't think a
Speaker 2: lot of people are assuming he's running. If gun to
Speaker 2: my head, i'd say, yeah, sure. But that's the kind
Speaker 2: of speech you want to make. You don't want to
Speaker 2: be going on podcast whining about stuff and promoting conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: All right, we come back speaking of people who make
Speaker 2: wrong moves. Luigi Mangione. I know he's real popular among
Speaker 2: the crazed leftist groups, but you know he's a failure too.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to explain why we come back here
Speaker 2: on the Stone Zone.
Speaker 1: The Stone Zone Entertaining and informative on the Red Apple
Speaker 1: Podcast Network.
Speaker 2: And I'm Jake Novack in for Roger Stone Live here
Speaker 2: eight fifty two PM. I got my AMM PM mixed
Speaker 2: up before signed that I'm working very hard, but I
Speaker 2: know it is PM. It's dark, it's dark outside, and
Speaker 2: I'm Jake Novak very happy to fill in for Roger Stone.
Speaker 2: He often gives me this chance and I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about some losers because I've already
Speaker 2: been talking about the loser message that our vice president
Speaker 2: put out there all by himself, voluntarily. He didn't have
Speaker 2: to do it. Someone gave him some bad advice. Of course,
Speaker 2: ultimately it's his responsibility. I'm talking about that, but he's
Speaker 2: not alone. We have some other losers, very much in
Speaker 2: the public eye in America, who promote loser messages or
Speaker 2: say one thing and do other things to undermine what
Speaker 2: they supposedly are for. One of them is Gavin Newsom,
Speaker 2: the governor of California, only a few more months left
Speaker 2: in his term, by the way, and here he is
Speaker 2: bemoaning the fact that Elon Musk is a trillionaire. His
Speaker 2: enemy Elon Musk.
Speaker 3: Listened, well, I look, ten percent of people own two
Speaker 3: thirds of wealth in this nation. That's same ten percent
Speaker 3: on ninety three percent of the stock market. Thirty year
Speaker 3: old today is doing worse than his or her parents
Speaker 3: for the first time in US history. If that's not
Speaker 3: a five alarm fire, I don't know what the hell is.
Speaker 3: We were sitting there, some of us at least, celebrating
Speaker 3: the best of Roman republic Greek democracy on July fourth.
Speaker 3: You know, the vision of our founding fathers co equal
Speaker 3: branches of government. Co equal branch is a government, popular sovereignty, a.
Speaker 1: Rule of law.
Speaker 3: But I'm reminded thinking about the Greeks, there was a
Speaker 3: guy around fifty a d. Two thousand years ago warning
Speaker 3: the Athenians, Plutarch. He said, the imbalance, the imbalance between
Speaker 3: the rich and the poor is the oldest and most
Speaker 3: fatal ailment of all republics. Think about that two thousand
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gaven a couple of things, and again he kicked
Speaker 2: this complaint about the wealth growth, growth of wealth and
Speaker 2: a small number of people. That's always going to be
Speaker 2: the case. There's always going to be people who achieve
Speaker 2: and in some cases some of them will get some luck.
Speaker 2: But luck luck is very much, very much of a rated.
Speaker 2: There's a professor at Cornell named Professor Robert Frank who
Speaker 2: whose entire career is based on how everything is luck.
Speaker 2: We're a student in his class, I would say, well,
Speaker 2: then why are you give him out grades? I demand
Speaker 2: an A or just roll the dice. I mean, this
Speaker 2: whole class is a first Why would you have a
Speaker 2: class where you have to work and study and perform
Speaker 2: on a test if all you're learning is that it's
Speaker 2: just luck. But anyway, he's been moaning the fact about
Speaker 2: Elon Musk. Actually, if you know your statistics, we are
Speaker 2: creating more millionaires and billionaires in this country every day
Speaker 2: than we ever have. The problem with thirty year olds
Speaker 2: not being in such a great state has a lot
Speaker 2: more to do with mental health than economics. Most thirty
Speaker 2: year olds I meet today are like the twenty year
Speaker 2: olds of forty years ago or eighteen year olds. But
Speaker 2: the thing about Gavin Newsom is he's a loser because
Speaker 2: he also just signed a bill in the same day
Speaker 2: that he's giving this little speech. Two days ago, he
Speaker 2: signed a bill to create special rebates in California only.
Speaker 2: Remember we got rid of the rebates for EV buyers
Speaker 2: nationally in September of last year. But in California now,
Speaker 2: if you're a first time EV buy you get a
Speaker 2: thirty five hundred dollars rebate. You know who sells the
Speaker 2: two most popular evs in this country, Elon Musk. So
Speaker 2: the guy getting up there complaining about how Elon Musk
Speaker 2: is too rich just signed to bill to make him richer?
Speaker 2: Will it make him a lot richer? Is Tesla going
Speaker 2: to get the bulk of this benefit? That doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It's more money to TESTA, I promise you. And TESTA
Speaker 2: is the reason why, the biggest reason why Elon Musk
Speaker 2: is a trillionaire. Test the stock. Okay, what a dope.
Speaker 2: Another dope is Luigi Mangione. And I know they've tried
Speaker 2: to make into this great hero. And we can talk specifically,
Speaker 2: and we should mostly talk about how the killing of
Speaker 2: an innocent, unarmed person on the street is never right.
Speaker 2: If you believe you have a criminal, then you know
Speaker 2: you don't just kill them unless they're in the act
Speaker 2: of killing someone. And his murder of Brian Thompson on
Speaker 2: the sidewalk of New York at the end of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four is not excusable under any means. And I
Speaker 2: hate the medical insurance companies. I really don't like them.
Speaker 2: I don't like the business model. It makes no sense
Speaker 2: to me other than for them it does. It's awful.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, LUIGIMANNGIONI wasn't trying to hurt the
Speaker 2: earnings balance sheet of United Healthcare on a quarterly basis,
Speaker 2: but he was trying to bring down the company. He
Speaker 2: was trying to bring down the industry. And you know what,
Speaker 2: for eight months after the killing of Brian Thompson, Luigimanngoni
Speaker 2: murdering him. And yes, I believe he murdered him. I
Speaker 2: know he hasn't been convicted yet. This is a guy
Speaker 2: who actually had the names of his victims on the
Speaker 2: shell casings. I'm gonna say he's guilty of this crime,
Speaker 2: and I know a court of law hasn't convicted him yet.
Speaker 2: But again I'm going to say, this is my opinion,
Speaker 2: and I think it's a very well backed up opinion.
Speaker 2: So the eight months after the killing, United Healthcare shares
Speaker 2: did have a problem. They were going down. I'm pretty fast,
Speaker 2: But you know, ever, since they reached that bottoming out
Speaker 2: period in August of twenty twenty five, they've been on
Speaker 2: a tear and just today United Healthcare announced very strong
Speaker 2: earnings for the last quarter. They have gained well over
Speaker 2: half of the losses that they incurred over that eight
Speaker 2: month period. It's up forty United Healthcare shares are up
Speaker 2: forty five percent from where they were a year ago. Today,
Speaker 2: you failed. And as I said at the time of
Speaker 2: the killing, if luigiman Gioni really wanted to do something
Speaker 2: to help people, killing wasn't the right way. Apparently he
Speaker 2: was a brilliant guy, and there is a very often
Speaker 2: a thin line between brilliance and insanity. Then make an
Speaker 2: app where people can learn healthcare tips. Luigi, do what
Speaker 2: you gotta do, but don't shoot someone. And by the way,
Speaker 2: you failed. This has been The Stone Zone. I'm Jake
Speaker 2: Novak and for Roger Stone tonight, have a great rest
Speaker 2: of your evening.
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