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Speaker 2: producer here on Night Side. Now we have a night
Speaker 2: in which we're going to certainly talk about what's going
Speaker 2: on in the Middle East, the ongoing Israeli Iranian conflict.
Speaker 2: We will also talk about the Karen Reid trial, which
Speaker 2: now is in the hands of the jury officially and
Speaker 2: at the twentieth hour tonight, we're going to give all
Speaker 2: of you a chance to do a little tribute to
Speaker 2: your favorite dad. Your favorite father will make it alliterative
Speaker 2: and so therefore, since we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 2: At eleven to get you in the mood, we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about the history of Father's Day, and for
Speaker 2: that we're going to speak with Jane Singleton. She's the
Speaker 2: director of the Spokane Valley Heritage Museum. I assume we're
Speaker 2: talking about Spokane, Washington. How are you, Jane Singleton?
Speaker 3: Hello, good afternoon. I'm doing well.
Speaker 2: It's really good evening here, but I guess it's still
Speaker 2: good afternoon where you are with the with the time difference.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And as I understand that Spokane, Washington is proud of
Speaker 2: many things and many do you call them Spokaneans? What?
Speaker 2: What's what's the term of art for people who live
Speaker 2: in Spokans Spokenites, Spokanit Okay, well spokenite, spokenite, Spokaneans. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I kind of like Spokaneans better, but that's okay. Spokanites, Spokanites,
Speaker 2: but one Spokeanite. We want to talk about tonight is
Speaker 2: a woman named Sonora Smart Dodd. Because you folks believe
Speaker 2: or I guess it's true, she's the founder of Father's Day.
Speaker 2: Tell us about it.
Speaker 3: It is true, and yes, we're very proud of Sonora
Speaker 3: Smart Dodd. Her background is well, her father was a
Speaker 3: Civil War veteran and he was married twice, widowed twice.
Speaker 3: Sonora's mother died in childbirth, though her father had to
Speaker 3: raise six kids, including that newborn, and Sonora.
Speaker 5: Was moved to.
Speaker 3: Move to talk about and think about commemorating fathers and
Speaker 3: honoring Father's Day. Excuse me, honoring fathers and creating a
Speaker 3: Father's Day while she was attending a Mother's Day church service,
Speaker 3: and she just took the ball and ran with it.
Speaker 3: And that's a quick way of saying. She went to
Speaker 3: her church, fathers, to the pastor, and here was her idea,
Speaker 3: presented it. What could they do? How could they get
Speaker 3: this going? Honoring fathers? And so it moved forward from there,
Speaker 3: and of course we celebrate Father's Day, but initially it
Speaker 3: wasn't a commercialized type of let's my dad some golf
Speaker 3: tees or that type of thing. It was specifically honoring
Speaker 3: fathers because she was so moved about what her father did.
Speaker 2: Well, that's very appropriate. So what year, then, do we
Speaker 2: trace the first Father's Day to Sonora Smart Dodd and Spokane, Washington.
Speaker 3: Nineteen ten ten?
Speaker 2: It's been around for a while, Okay, Now, I guess
Speaker 2: there's and I want to deal with this because we
Speaker 2: have a lot of listeners in West Virginia. We actually
Speaker 2: have listeners also in the Great Northwest. We have a
Speaker 2: pretty powerful signal. And I don't want to start a
Speaker 2: new civil war between West Virginia and Washington, but I
Speaker 2: believe that there's some folks in West Virginia who want
Speaker 2: to claim that they actually inaugurated Father's Day a couple
Speaker 2: of years earlier. Now, you know, we can have these
Speaker 2: disputes and we can be polite about them. What is
Speaker 2: West Virginia's claim if and I assume you know it,
Speaker 2: and how they claim it a couple of years ahead
Speaker 2: of nineteen ten, they go all the way back to
Speaker 2: nineteen oh eight. Is this been put to rest, this
Speaker 2: mini dispute if you will.
Speaker 3: Not that I'm aware of, and I don't know that
Speaker 3: much to be honest about West Virginia's claim. The service
Speaker 3: that Sonora attended where she was. It was a Mother's
Speaker 3: Day celebration at her church where she first thought about.
Speaker 3: You know, why not a Father's Day That was nineteen
Speaker 3: oh nine. You know, people can have simultaneous can have
Speaker 3: ideas simultaneously, and I move forward with it. So, I mean,
Speaker 3: do you know what she did here and we're happy
Speaker 3: about it?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's good. You gotta be. You got to root
Speaker 2: for the home team. Okay. So how do you folks
Speaker 2: celebrate Father's Day in Spokane? Do you have any sort
Speaker 2: of special festivity since the origin of this day that
Speaker 2: honors fathers originated in your community.
Speaker 3: There have been gatherings at Sonora's grave site. There have
Speaker 3: been tours at the home that she lived in with
Speaker 3: her husband still standing and the people that own it
Speaker 3: were very kind to let people take a tour. So,
Speaker 3: and there's also a monument to Sonora in front of
Speaker 3: that home, as well as at the YMCA where it
Speaker 3: was celebrated, and at the cemetery where she's buried. So
Speaker 3: there's those types of community celebrations. Different organizations, different fraternal
Speaker 3: organizations and the like do different things a large community pride.
Speaker 2: I got to ask you this when Sonora was alive
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how long she lived. Do you remember
Speaker 2: what year she pad?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was ninety six years old when she died
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, so she saw a whole bunch of presidents
Speaker 2: if she would have been born in nineteen seventy or
Speaker 2: rather eighteen seventy six. If I'm doing my math right,
Speaker 2: so she might have seen right, let.
Speaker 3: Me look at my notes.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I'm doing my math in my head. I'm
Speaker 2: good at So that means that she was born when
Speaker 2: Ulysses S. Grant was president, and she was. She lived
Speaker 2: during Chester Arthur and Benjamin Harrison and Grover Cleveland and
Speaker 2: all of those presidents. She lived to a lot of
Speaker 2: presidents all the way up, and she would have if
Speaker 2: she died in nineteen seventy two. Did she get a lot.
Speaker 3: Of excuse me? She died in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2: Well how about that? Okay, Well, Jimmy Carr would have
Speaker 2: been president. The point is that she lived a long
Speaker 2: and glorious life and she got to see I guess
Speaker 2: the Father's Day. Really, I can remember so celebrating Father's
Speaker 2: Day when I was a young young man or a
Speaker 2: teenager or a little boy, uh and honoring my dad.
Speaker 2: And now I know, and now everyone in our audience
Speaker 2: knows who we can thank for this grand idea, and
Speaker 2: it's it's great to know that it's Spokane, Washington. I
Speaker 2: really enjoyed our conversation you, Jane. You are the I guess,
Speaker 2: the director of the Spokane Valley Heritage Museum. So next
Speaker 2: time I'm spoke in Washington, I'm going to swing by
Speaker 2: there and look you up.
Speaker 6: Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for the opportunity to share about
Speaker 3: the Norahs.
Speaker 2: Mark dodd Well, I think it's important that we that
Speaker 2: as a as historians, that we remember people like this.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that she got a lot of satisfaction
Speaker 2: through her you know, very long life, ninety six years.
Speaker 2: That's that's a good run to realize that her idea
Speaker 2: resulted in some great family get togethers in all fifty
Speaker 2: and there were fifty states when she passed with families
Speaker 2: honoring fathers. So thank you, Jane Singleton. I appreciate very
Speaker 2: much a joining us tonight all the way from Spokane, Washington.
Speaker 2: Thanks again, You're welcome.
Speaker 3: Happy Father's Day to everyone out there.
Speaker 2: Yep. I have two children and I have two grandchildren,
Speaker 2: so I look forward to Father's Day, that is for sure.
Speaker 6: And enjoying your day.
Speaker 2: Father's Day to everyone in Spokane, Washington. Thanks again, Jane.
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Speaker 2: This is Nightside. We are moving right along, and when
Speaker 2: we come back, we're going to talk with a fourth
Speaker 2: generation farmer about modern agriculture. There's an American Farm Bureau
Speaker 2: Federation report that says nine to ten people trust farmers.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you trust a farmer? Yet only one in
Speaker 2: five trust modern farming practices. I don't understand that disconnect.
Speaker 2: We'll find out about it when we talk with Dennis
Speaker 2: Bulaney right after the break.
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Speaker 2: Bor right. Well, anyone who knows me knows that I
Speaker 2: love to eat okay, and with my awaken when any diet,
Speaker 2: I can eat what I want to eat. And anyone
Speaker 2: who knows me knows that I love farms, particularly farms
Speaker 2: here in New England. Apple orchids wherever you know, pumpkin farms.
Speaker 2: I just love farms, and I love the idea of
Speaker 2: being a farmer. I've never worked on a farm, but
Speaker 2: maybe in a previous life I did. With us tonight,
Speaker 2: we have a real farmer. His name is Dennis Bullany. Dennis,
Speaker 2: I hope I didn't butcher. Your last name is it
Speaker 2: pronounced Bullaney?
Speaker 5: Yes? Blani Blani?
Speaker 2: But all right, well that's great. Well you are a
Speaker 2: farmer up in what I would consider to be Gordy
Speaker 2: Howe Country, Saskatchewan.
Speaker 5: Correct, that's correct.
Speaker 2: And and you know your greatest export was Gordie Howe
Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned from that that part of Canada.
Speaker 2: I hope you agree with me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh for sure. And now the Edmonton Oilers after last.
Speaker 2: Night, No, well you've had a lot to be proud
Speaker 2: of with the Edmon Edmonton Oilers. But you know, I
Speaker 2: mean what you know what what a Gordy how Hat
Speaker 2: trick was, don't you? Was a goal and assist in
Speaker 2: a five minute penalty for fighting. So yep, he's one
Speaker 2: of my favorite players.
Speaker 5: The New Bridge in Saskatoon, the big city near me.
Speaker 5: The new Bridge is named the Gordy Howe Bridge.
Speaker 2: How appropriate? How appropriate? Okay? Well, I always love to
Speaker 2: bring sports into the conversation, so thanks for indulging me there.
Speaker 2: So you're a fourth generation farmer. Your dad you farmed,
Speaker 2: Your dad farmed, your grandfather farmed, and I guess your
Speaker 2: great grandfather farmed. What do you farm up there? That's
Speaker 2: got you on? What do you grow up there on
Speaker 2: your farm? A whole bunch of things? Or do you
Speaker 2: specialize in two or three crops?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: No, we grow a whole bunch of things here. We
Speaker 5: have a fairly short climate. But on my farm, I
Speaker 5: grow wheat, faba beans, lentils, peas, and canola. Those are
Speaker 5: the primary crops.
Speaker 2: Okay, And we're the reason we're talking with you is
Speaker 2: that everybody trusts farmers. There's an American Farm Bureau Federation
Speaker 2: report that says nine and ten people trust farmers, yet
Speaker 2: only one in five trust modern farming practices. Why did
Speaker 2: this connect? And I assume modern farming practices are great.
Speaker 2: I don't even understand why people would be concerned about that.
Speaker 2: And you give us, give us the background.
Speaker 5: That's a great assumption. You got to think, now, all
Speaker 5: the farms in North America that'd be US and Canada.
Speaker 5: About eighty eight percent of the farms are still family farms.
Speaker 5: They're all generational farms. And of course, why do you
Speaker 5: trust farmers While we're the ones on the land taking
Speaker 5: care and growing the food. We're kind of in charge
Speaker 5: of the airplane there. And there's nothing a farmer would
Speaker 5: want to do worse than grow something that was bad
Speaker 5: for the people that ate it, including his friends and relatives.
Speaker 5: So that's but that's only two percent of the North
Speaker 5: American population, and so we have to work with science
Speaker 5: every day. And and of course the other ninety eight percent,
Speaker 5: they're they're not on farms, and so our voice gets
Speaker 5: a little drowned out by all the misinformation and things
Speaker 5: being spread on social media. So, you know, basically at no,
Speaker 5: but I would say the whole, the whole issue stems
Speaker 5: from the wellness industry. You know, the wellness industry is
Speaker 5: the nine hundred and ninety eight billion dollar industry now.
Speaker 5: And of course they're promoting snake oil supplements and all
Speaker 5: kinds of weird brain fog stuff and things that I
Speaker 5: think are non scientific. But to sell their products, they first,
Speaker 5: you know, they to sell their products what they want
Speaker 5: to do is the road trust in science? That'd be
Speaker 5: number one. And then number two they want to make
Speaker 5: a fear based claim or post with misleading or outright
Speaker 5: false claims, And of course number three is sell you
Speaker 5: a product to fix the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 5: Let me just steal. Then, as they get praise from
Speaker 5: people who won't fact check, and because they don't fact
Speaker 5: check because it confirms their biases, we get overloaded with
Speaker 5: misinformation about the real science of food.
Speaker 2: Okay. So look, I do enjoy food. I don't have
Speaker 2: what you call a huge diet and palate. Friends of
Speaker 2: mine love, you know, Thai food and Indian food, and
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like an American food guy Canadian food guy.
Speaker 2: But I do see the ads on TV, and without
Speaker 2: calling in to disrepute any of these groups, they I
Speaker 2: have apples and oranges and fruit, bananas, strawberries, blueberries in
Speaker 2: my refrigerator. I have that stuff every day, Okay, And
Speaker 2: yet I watch some of them to say, well, you
Speaker 2: got to try these pills because in these pills it
Speaker 2: has fifty three fruits and vegetables or something like that.
Speaker 2: So is that the sort of thing you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I'm not here, you know, to disparage anyone who's trying
Speaker 2: to make a dollar. But is that the type of
Speaker 2: I see a lot of that stuff on TV. To
Speaker 2: be really honest with.
Speaker 5: You, yeah, yeah, to degree. I think some of it
Speaker 5: stems from the organic whole foods department. There's a lot
Speaker 5: of money to be made and people who claim their
Speaker 5: food is organic. So if you claim organic food is better,
Speaker 5: then what's the obviously what's the obvious thought? Well, then
Speaker 5: all other food must not be as safe.
Speaker 2: Right, pretty logic.
Speaker 5: People automatically would say, well, if they're being inundated with
Speaker 5: ads that'd say something's better, then they start painting what's
Speaker 5: not better as not so good, and of course that's misinformation.
Speaker 5: I don't have anything against organic farmers. I think a
Speaker 5: lot can be learned from organic farmers. But what people
Speaker 5: don't know is they think when they buy organic food
Speaker 5: data they're not exposed to pesticides and all the things
Speaker 5: that farmers use to control insects, bugs, disease and weeds.
Speaker 5: And of course what they don't realize is organic growers
Speaker 5: use toxic compounds just like commercial food. And the real
Speaker 5: issue is you'll pay for the premium of buying organic
Speaker 5: food as an example, But there is no evidence to
Speaker 5: indicate that organic food is any safer than conventionally grown
Speaker 5: food because we're all so regulated, and that's a good thing.
Speaker 5: I think regulations in the food system are a good
Speaker 5: thing for everyone.
Speaker 2: Well, Dennis, I'll tell you you've convinced me. And when
Speaker 2: I go and I'm the guy in my household who
Speaker 2: ends up shopping, and my wife is a big organic person,
Speaker 2: I'm going to have her listen to this tape because
Speaker 2: organic food is always more expensive as soon as you
Speaker 2: see that label organic. What I make sure of is
Speaker 2: that any food that I'm going to use I washed.
Speaker 2: I had a great, delicious Macintosh apple today, I have
Speaker 2: no idea. I make sure I wash that apple before
Speaker 2: I eat that apple. The only fruits fruit that I
Speaker 2: don't wash are fruit that, for example, like oranges or bananas,
Speaker 2: where you have to peel off and you get right
Speaker 2: to the fruit, so you don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 2: But I'll wash anything. If I'm of course cutting up celery,
Speaker 2: I'm washing the celery. If I'm cutting up carrots, I'm
Speaker 2: washing it. I'm washing everything because I have no clue
Speaker 2: where it's been and I'm not someone who buys or can't.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I've always held a little
Speaker 2: bit of a little bit of advertising Madison Street dollars
Speaker 2: to get us to spend a little more money. So
Speaker 2: I'm so happy to hear you tell me that. Look,
Speaker 2: you have a book. If I'm not mistaken, the book
Speaker 2: is called What a Farmer Wants You to Know about Food.
Speaker 2: How could folks get a copy of that book?
Speaker 5: They can get a copy of it on Amazon dot com.
Speaker 5: There's a paperback book. I think it's nineteen ninety five
Speaker 5: and twenty four to ninety five for the hardcover collector's edition.
Speaker 5: It's a number one best seller now in Canada, and
Speaker 5: it's being sold in the US, England, Australia, and I'm
Speaker 5: getting remarks from all over the world. And the amazing
Speaker 5: thing to me is people that are thinkers, that read
Speaker 5: the book actually get back to me and say, you
Speaker 5: know what, since I've read your book, I feel a
Speaker 5: lot better about going to the grocery store. And I
Speaker 5: think you shouldn't be scared to go to the grocery store.
Speaker 5: Whatever on the shelves is safe. How much you eat
Speaker 5: of each one, well, that's a whole other discussion that
Speaker 5: you might want to talk to a dietitian about. Our
Speaker 5: food regulation system is so stringent that everything on the
Speaker 5: shelves is safe and people kind of sometimes forget that.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's great to remind him you certainly
Speaker 2: have done it tonight. I love your attitude, I really do.
Speaker 2: And the book is what a Farmer wants you to
Speaker 2: Know about food available easily through Amazon. Well, look, I
Speaker 2: hope your oilers do well, but I'm rooting for the
Speaker 2: Panthers because they got Brad Marsha on the little we
Speaker 2: call him here in Boston, the little Ball of Hate.
Speaker 5: You know, I actually love the guy. I think he's
Speaker 5: a great personality, a great hockey player. I'll actually feel
Speaker 5: bad for him as if they don't win. But I
Speaker 5: do like the man myself. I think he's a great character.
Speaker 5: I will say one more thing if I might. So,
Speaker 5: there's just been recently the MAHA movements launched a documentary
Speaker 5: and all the MAHA stuff that you guys have going
Speaker 5: on in the States there. That's really interesting to me
Speaker 5: that the new film that's been made by Kayley Means
Speaker 5: and Joe Polish claims to expose misinformation about there they're saying,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of misinformation about our food, and yet
Speaker 5: it turns out that they had studies that didn't even
Speaker 5: exist in their film and in the Maha report. So
Speaker 5: it's rather odd that they would rely on misinformation to
Speaker 5: talk about misinformation. I just thought that was rather humorous.
Speaker 2: Everybody, everybody's got an angle, Dennis. You seem like a
Speaker 2: straight shoot you my sort of guy. And next time
Speaker 2: you ride over the Gordy Howbridge, give them away from me. Okay,
Speaker 2: thank you so much now, sure will all right, Thanks
Speaker 2: very very much. I really enjoyed the conversation, Dennis, a
Speaker 2: genuine fun. Thank you, Saskatchewan, thank you. Thank you. Ever
Speaker 2: get to Boston, Dennis, have you ever been down this
Speaker 2: way or no? I suspect on.
Speaker 5: Occasion, but I can promise you I will look you up.
Speaker 5: I love news talk radio. I think news talk radio
Speaker 5: is the best way to be a critical thinker and
Speaker 5: learn about all the different angles about food and everything else.
Speaker 5: So kudos to you. I know your show has got
Speaker 5: a great following, and I hear great things about it.
Speaker 2: We're really early, really easy to find. Just pull down
Speaker 2: that iheartnew and improved app and you can walk us
Speaker 2: in WBZ. I have listeners all over the country. I
Speaker 2: have lots of listeners in Canada. Believe it or not.
Speaker 5: I assure you well, and now that I know you,
Speaker 5: I'm certainly going to tune into your program when I'm
Speaker 5: on the tractor. I always listen to news talk on
Speaker 5: the tractor.
Speaker 2: Well, we got it. It's eight to midnight Monday through Friday,
Speaker 2: East Coast time. Thanks so much, Dennis really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Dan, You very welcome, very well. Happy day to you.
Speaker 2: By the way, when we get back, we're going to
Speaker 2: talk with Julie Pegano. She's the president of the Quincy
Speaker 2: Chamber of Commerce, a dear close friend of a friend
Speaker 2: of mine, Bill Della Hunt, the great fulmer Congressman from
Speaker 2: the South Shore who passed away too much, too soon.
Speaker 2: But we're going to talk about a big parade tomorrow
Speaker 2: and hopefully it's going to take place in the afternoon,
Speaker 2: so it's going to be a perfect afternoon weatherwise, tomorrow,
Speaker 2: may say some rain in the morning. We'll be talking
Speaker 2: with Julie Pegano right after the break, the news break
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the hour. My name's Dan Ray.
Speaker 1: Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Well, tomorrow is the big day. Tomorrow is Flag Day,
Speaker 2: and I think no city celebrates Flag Day more effectively
Speaker 2: than the city of Quinsy, the city of Presidents and
Speaker 2: also the great city that was that's represented by Mayor
Speaker 2: Tom Coch, but was represented by a great United States Congressman,
Speaker 2: the late great Bill Della Hunt. And with us tonight
Speaker 2: is someone very close to Congress and Della Hunt, who's
Speaker 2: also the president of the Quincy Chamber of Congress, Julie Pagano. Julie,
Speaker 2: welcome back tonight's side. And I miss him every day
Speaker 2: and I know you do as well.
Speaker 4: Oh, Hi, Dan, it's so great to speak with you tonight.
Speaker 4: And yes, Bill, Bill has just left a great mock
Speaker 4: in the city. This is his hometown, the country, in
Speaker 4: the world, and he is missed every single day. And
Speaker 4: I know how much he enjoyed the relationship that he
Speaker 4: shared with you. He spoke about it and shared that
Speaker 4: with me. So it's nice to connect with you.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Julie. So tomorrow is a big day in Quinsy.
Speaker 2: It's flag Day, but it's Quinsy's four hundred flag day.
Speaker 2: It's Quincy four hundred years old. Now that's amazing.
Speaker 4: I know, I know, sixteen twenty five, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 4: and here we are.
Speaker 3: So you're three year old.
Speaker 2: Quincy's older than Boston.
Speaker 6: It is no, I mean, it just hit me.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to interrupt you, but Boston was sixteen thirty,
Speaker 2: so Quincy's five years older. I mean, I guess some
Speaker 2: people must have taken the red line from Quincy back
Speaker 2: in you know, sometimes sixteen twenty six or twenty seven,
Speaker 2: and said, let's go up to Boston. Wow, tell us
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen tomorrow. I hope the we is the
Speaker 2: parade because I hope the weather. Hope it's a little
Speaker 2: later in the day. It's supposed to be kind of
Speaker 2: a little nasty in the morning, but they say it's
Speaker 2: going to be clear by noontime.
Speaker 4: Yes, I haven't really looked at the weather. I don't
Speaker 4: I don't look at weather. It just kind of let
Speaker 4: it be and and hope for the best. But the
Speaker 4: parade is scheduled to start at six pm, and it
Speaker 4: will step off on at Hancock Street in Walter Hanton Parkway.
Speaker 4: People head north down Hancock Street, across Marymount and then
Speaker 4: end up at Adams Field.
Speaker 6: So it's one of the.
Speaker 4: Largest parades that the city has seen. And you know,
Speaker 4: what began as a small neighborhood march in nineteen fifty two,
Speaker 4: thanks to the vision of Richard Coke Senior, it has
Speaker 4: grown into a citywide celebration of patriotism, pride, and community.
Speaker 4: And it's really become a living tradition that has connected
Speaker 4: generations of Quincy residents. And I'm so honored to have
Speaker 4: the opportunity to walk and represent the Chamber of Commerce
Speaker 4: tomorrow and just be a part of this celebration. It's
Speaker 4: a spectacular vision that started. Yeah, that started from Mayor Cooks,
Speaker 4: Dad and Marek Thomas Coke. Now you know it continues
Speaker 4: with the tradition.
Speaker 2: Well, you know when you when I was asking the
Speaker 2: time it started, I didn't know, and I was afraid
Speaker 2: you were going to say ten o'clock. And I was
Speaker 2: gonna say, we have to get some intervention from Bill
Speaker 2: Della Hunts. Some heavenly inventioned here to make sure that
Speaker 2: the rain holds off. You're gonna be all set six o'clock.
Speaker 2: They said it's going to be cleared out, and uh uh,
Speaker 2: the weather guys seem to be pretty pretty confident about that.
Speaker 2: So tell us some of the highlights. So the parade
Speaker 2: is how long. I know you got the Boston Crusaders
Speaker 2: in there. I know you got drum groups from Connecticut.
Speaker 2: You got a drum corps from Connecticut, to get a
Speaker 2: band from the Long Island Sunrisers Drum Corps from obviously
Speaker 2: Long Island in New York. You got the US Marine Corps,
Speaker 2: Quantico Marine Band, the US Navy Band out of Newport,
Speaker 2: Rhode Island. You got the US Army, National Guard, Army Band. Uh,
Speaker 2: it goes on on. This is gonna be one heck
Speaker 2: of a band. As you know, I'm serious, this is
Speaker 2: this is going to be a parade to see.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's it's it's just the planning that has gone
Speaker 4: on behind the scenes. It has just been immense and
Speaker 4: it continues on. We have the Quinsy and the North
Speaker 4: Quincy combined bands and several other alumni drum corps. We
Speaker 4: have a lot of the Grand Marshalls returning and walking
Speaker 4: in this particular parade, you know, just looking at at
Speaker 4: the the list is uh, Brigadier Ronald Rands, General Dunford,
Speaker 4: General James McConnell, and Joe Shay who was the former
Speaker 4: City Clerk General, Francis McGinn our own Quincy police Chief,
Speaker 4: Paul Keenan, and Richard Kennedy from the ALS Research just
Speaker 4: to kind of name a few that we'll be marching
Speaker 4: and you know there there'll be more floats than we've
Speaker 4: ever seen, and of course a nod to the four
Speaker 4: hundred history. And then you know, once we get up
Speaker 4: to uh to pageants failed, we have the great Ronan
Speaker 4: time in who is just going to you know, his
Speaker 4: voice is so magical and he has a patriotic theme
Speaker 4: that he's scheduled to perform at eight o'clock and then
Speaker 4: at nine o'clock a spectacular fireworks display and one of
Speaker 4: the largest that the city has seen as well. So
Speaker 4: there's just it's just going to be a great, a
Speaker 4: great day leading up to it, in a great evening
Speaker 4: and as I said, I'm just so excited myself to
Speaker 4: be to be a part of it, and you know,
Speaker 4: want to thank everybody who involved in the planning.
Speaker 2: Julie, would you do me a personal favor and that
Speaker 2: is say hello to Ronan for me. Uh I had
Speaker 2: on my show probably ten years ago. I know he
Speaker 2: live somewhere down on the South Shore. But I'd love
Speaker 2: to reconnect with him and tell him I send him
Speaker 2: my best. And I'm so glad that that this former
Speaker 2: singer at Yankee Stadium has settled in our area. And
Speaker 2: obviously I hope now as a Red Sox fan, if
Speaker 2: you tell him what a voice, what an incredible voice?
Speaker 2: What is is he doing one specific song tomorrow or
Speaker 2: is he doing a.
Speaker 4: Couple if you know, you know, there's a patriotic lineup
Speaker 4: of songs. So I'm not exactly sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know the.
Speaker 4: Set list, and I think it's somewhat of a surprise
Speaker 4: as well. But yeah, he's just he's just a special,
Speaker 4: a special person, and I will I will, you know,
Speaker 4: give the message to him when I I would.
Speaker 2: Really appreciate that because I really enjoyed the time with
Speaker 2: him on the show. Well we will talk soon. I
Speaker 2: just wanted to again once remember the great Congressman Bill
Speaker 2: Della Hunted. I know he's going to be with all
Speaker 2: of you tomorrow in spirit, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm following in his footsteps with all
Speaker 4: those parades that he watched, and so I feel there's
Speaker 4: a little nod in a push from him, so you know, yes.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. My pres Julie, be well, Be well,
Speaker 2: and enjoy tomorrow. It's going to be a great day
Speaker 2: for Quincy and a great day for the entire South Shore.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Thank you too for including Quincy and your show tonight.
Speaker 4: We appreciate it.
Speaker 2: All right, great talk soon when we get back today.
Speaker 2: Besides being the Friday before Father's Day and the Friday
Speaker 2: before Flag Day, it's a Friday the thirteenth, and we're
Speaker 2: going to talk with a cultural anthropologist with the University
Speaker 2: at Buffalo. It is actually the University at Buffalo, not
Speaker 2: the University of Buffalo of Buffalo Rethinking the Anthropology of
Speaker 2: Magic and Witchcraft Inherently Human. That's his book. But we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about Friday the thirteenth, superstitions. We'll get
Speaker 2: to all of that, I promise coming back on Nightside,
Speaker 2: and then after that we will get to the more
Speaker 2: serious topics of the day, which is the Karen retrial
Speaker 2: in the hands of the jury, as well as what
Speaker 2: is going on in the Middle East tonight and is
Speaker 2: continuing that started last night. Back on Nightside right after this, you're.
Speaker 1: On Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All Right, we are going to speak with doctor Phil
Speaker 2: Stevens Junior, but he insists I call him Phil Phil.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside. How are you?
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm trying.
Speaker 2: Thanks nice to make you. You're a cultural anthropologist with
Speaker 2: the University at Buffalo, an author of a book called
Speaker 2: Rethinking the Anthropology of Magic and Witchcraft Inherently Human. Interesting.
Speaker 2: Tell you's Friday the thirteenth. There's a lot of people
Speaker 2: who are still superstitious. I'm a little superstitious. Are you
Speaker 2: superstitious yourself?
Speaker 5: Film?
Speaker 6: No, sure, I suggest that that everybody is to a
Speaker 6: certain degree. Most superstitions are examples of what I call
Speaker 6: in my book magical thinking.
Speaker 2: Okay, and we all do it. Okay. When you say
Speaker 2: magical thinking, why don't you define that for me a
Speaker 2: little bit? Because I certainly know what the word thinking means,
Speaker 2: and I know what magical means. But magical thinking is
Speaker 2: you put those words? Well?
Speaker 6: That term is used by others in different ways. The
Speaker 6: way I'm using it is to describe a universal pattern
Speaker 6: of thinking, absolutely universal to people. This is the way
Speaker 6: the human brain works. To be brief, there are two
Speaker 6: fundamental principles out of a total of six that I've identified,
Speaker 6: principles of similarity and contact. Things that are similar to
Speaker 6: other things in any way sound, behavior, color, shape, or
Speaker 6: things that have been in contact with other things are
Speaker 6: believed to have a causal relationship with those other things
Speaker 6: most super and that establishes a magical connection between those
Speaker 6: other things. People think they can make things happen over
Speaker 6: a distance by acting out the thing they want to
Speaker 6: have happened. But if the acting out produces an unfortunate result,
Speaker 6: then you've got a taboo. You've got the avoidance of
Speaker 6: establishing a magical connection. And that's that's what happened in
Speaker 6: the case of Friday the thirteenth. We do not want
Speaker 6: to repeat the events of that terrible Thursday night, that
Speaker 6: Seder meal in the upper room when Jesus sat down
Speaker 6: with his twelve disciples. There were thirteen people at that table,
Speaker 6: and one of them betrayed him that night, and the
Speaker 6: next day, Friday, was he was flogged and crucified, a terrible,
Speaker 6: terrible event. And so the thirteen becomes a taboo and
Speaker 6: the Friday. When the thirteenth falls on a Friday, you've
Speaker 6: got a double whammy there. So people who are superstitious
Speaker 6: tend to be very careful about making decisions. Today. We've
Speaker 6: only got a few more hours of so it probably well.
Speaker 2: I've had my occurrences. I'm not a big Big Friday
Speaker 2: the Thirteenth guy either, But there's a lot of the
Speaker 2: things that you know, you break a mirror to seven
Speaker 2: years bad luck, there's generally some reason behind it. I
Speaker 2: don't walk under ladders, and I don't walk. I choose
Speaker 2: not to walk under ladders because I'm superstitious, but I
Speaker 2: figured that, you know, a ladder could fall, somebody could
Speaker 2: fall off a ladder, and I don't want to be
Speaker 2: there when that happens. Crossing cat paths with a black cat, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess they're associated with witches and bad omens. I
Speaker 2: when I played when I played baseball a little bit
Speaker 2: in high school, a little bit in college, I never
Speaker 2: wanted to step on the baseline. I was a pitcher,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to. I just thought it was bad
Speaker 2: luck if you if you stepped on the first or
Speaker 2: the third baseline, So you just to skip over that.
Speaker 2: And I watch a lot of Major League pitchers who
Speaker 2: are good pitchers, even though they're much better than I was.
Speaker 2: Some of them do it as well. So all of
Speaker 2: these have kind of a little I guess a backstory
Speaker 2: to them, but.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure about all, but certainly most do. And
Speaker 6: regarding baseball, there baseball is filled with superstitions. And there's
Speaker 6: a classic article which you can find online called Baseball Magic.
Speaker 6: Just google Baseball Magic. The author is an anthropologist who
Speaker 6: played minor league named George gimmelch G M E. L c. H.
Speaker 6: It's a terrific article. It's gone through many revisions, and
Speaker 6: several versions are available online. When you played, what what?
Speaker 6: What did you do with your bat that's struck out?
Speaker 6: A bat that has struck out must not touch other bats.
Speaker 6: You when you throw it down, you throw it so
Speaker 6: it lands in separate places, and and so on.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, there there was sometimes you'd have your
Speaker 2: lucky socks. You you know, you'd wear the socks if
Speaker 2: you want, or you would wouldn't wear all of that.
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you this. Today's Friday, the thirteenth. It
Speaker 2: just so happened. I had a really rough day to day. Okay,
Speaker 2: my company had told me I had to get a
Speaker 2: new computer. You know, they pay for it. So it
Speaker 2: arrived yesterday, and today was the day that I had
Speaker 2: to try to figure out how to migrate stuff from
Speaker 2: my current computer to the new computer. And it was
Speaker 2: a nightmarish day.
Speaker 6: Well, you probably didn't have a ten year old handy.
Speaker 2: Well, if I had a ten year old handy, probably
Speaker 2: could have happened. I could have been taken care of it.
Speaker 2: I know what you're saying, right, but I'm pretty goods
Speaker 2: But it's sometimes you just get stimmied. Even the people
Speaker 2: who you think can help you, they don't. And the
Speaker 2: funny thing about it is that a lot of these
Speaker 2: companies they assume that everybody, let's say, on a scale
Speaker 2: of one to one hundred, has the capacity of one hundred,
Speaker 2: when the fact of the matter is it's like they
Speaker 2: don't understand the concept of a bell curve. You do
Speaker 2: as a college professor that you know, three percent of
Speaker 2: the people should be a's and three percent or f's
Speaker 2: and the rest of us are kind of in the middle.
Speaker 2: And that's the same way with computers. So I had
Speaker 2: a doubt today. I literally felt like beating my head
Speaker 2: against the wall. And you know the old Joe, you know,
Speaker 2: you guys, beating your head against the wall and you
Speaker 2: go up to me and you say, hey, why are
Speaker 2: you beating your head against the wall? And the guy says,
Speaker 2: it feels so good when I stop. You know, that's
Speaker 2: that was my feeling. That's my feeling. Tell us about
Speaker 2: your book. You got a book rethinking of the anthropology
Speaker 2: of magic and Witchcraft Inherent Human easily to find, I
Speaker 2: assume on Amazon.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's published by Rutledge, an old British publishing house
Speaker 6: now quite quite big, published twenty twenty four, so it's
Speaker 6: it's recent, and it comes up with a new theory
Speaker 6: of magic and witchcraft. I've suggested that both of these
Speaker 6: belief complexes are rooted in our fundamental humanity. Magic it
Speaker 6: works by absolutely universal patterns of thinking, and witchcraft is
Speaker 6: a is a combination of fourteen fundamental human fears eleven
Speaker 6: of those and fun and fantasies three of those.
Speaker 2: All right, well, looks Phil, Phil. It sounds like a
Speaker 2: great book. The one thing that I don't have right
Speaker 2: now is time, so I'm running out of time. But again,
Speaker 2: I will encourage people if they're interested, and I think
Speaker 2: everyone's interested. It's Doctor Phil Stevens likes to be called
Speaker 2: Phil doesn't want to be confused with that other doctor. Phil.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I appreciate it very much. Okay,
Speaker 2: have a great weekend and happy Father's Day if it applies.
Speaker 6: Okay, it does, and thank you.
Speaker 2: You're very welcome. All Right, we get back. We're going
Speaker 2: to open up. I think we'll talk tonight to start
Speaker 2: about the Iranian Israel Israeli conflict. This is a war
Speaker 2: that's going on over there, and we got to make
Speaker 2: sure that one Israel wins and that it stays contained
Speaker 2: to the Middle East. We'll talk about it on the
Speaker 2: other side of the nine o'clock News