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<v Speaker 1>It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm going you easy Boston's

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Madeline, and it is always lovely

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<v Speaker 2>to arrive at Friday night tgif boy. I'll tell you, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>I had one of those days. I'll maybe talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it later, but I had one of those days that

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<v Speaker 2>you'd like to have. I should have just slept in

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, and that would have been the best plan

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<v Speaker 2>for today for me. But the best part of the

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<v Speaker 2>day lies before me, and that is the four hours

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to spend together all the way until very

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<v Speaker 2>close to Saturday morning. My name is Dan Ray. Rob Brooks.

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<v Speaker 2>Good news. Rob Brooks is back. He was out for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days. Rob tells me he is filing,

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<v Speaker 2>he's feeling great, and we're very glad to have you back. Rob,

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew and Dan Cantano did a great job in your place,

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<v Speaker 2>but nobody can truly really replace Rob Brooks as our

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<v Speaker 2>producer here on Night Side. Now we have a night

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<v Speaker 2>in which we're going to certainly talk about what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in the Middle East, the ongoing Israeli Iranian conflict.

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<v Speaker 2>We will also talk about the Karen Reid trial, which

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<v Speaker 2>now is in the hands of the jury officially and

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<v Speaker 2>at the twentieth hour tonight, we're going to give all

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<v Speaker 2>of you a chance to do a little tribute to

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<v Speaker 2>your favorite dad. Your favorite father will make it alliterative

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<v Speaker 2>and so therefore, since we're going to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>At eleven to get you in the mood, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the history of Father's Day, and for

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to speak with Jane Singleton. She's the

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<v Speaker 2>director of the Spokane Valley Heritage Museum. I assume we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Spokane, Washington. How are you, Jane Singleton?

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, good afternoon. I'm doing well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really good evening here, but I guess it's still

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<v Speaker 2>good afternoon where you are with the with the time difference.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And as I understand that Spokane, Washington is proud of

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<v Speaker 2>many things and many do you call them Spokaneans? What?

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<v Speaker 2>What's what's the term of art for people who live

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<v Speaker 2>in Spokans Spokenites, Spokanit Okay, well spokenite, spokenite, Spokaneans. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I kind of like Spokaneans better, but that's okay. Spokanites, Spokanites,

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<v Speaker 2>but one Spokeanite. We want to talk about tonight is

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<v Speaker 2>a woman named Sonora Smart Dodd. Because you folks believe

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<v Speaker 2>or I guess it's true, she's the founder of Father's Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It is true, and yes, we're very proud of Sonora

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<v Speaker 3>Smart Dodd. Her background is well, her father was a

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<v Speaker 3>Civil War veteran and he was married twice, widowed twice.

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<v Speaker 3>Sonora's mother died in childbirth, though her father had to

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<v Speaker 3>raise six kids, including that newborn, and Sonora.

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<v Speaker 5>Was moved to.

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<v Speaker 3>Move to talk about and think about commemorating fathers and

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<v Speaker 3>honoring Father's Day. Excuse me, honoring fathers and creating a

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<v Speaker 3>Father's Day while she was attending a Mother's Day church service,

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<v Speaker 3>and she just took the ball and ran with it.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's a quick way of saying. She went to

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<v Speaker 3>her church, fathers, to the pastor, and here was her idea,

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<v Speaker 3>presented it. What could they do? How could they get

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<v Speaker 3>this going? Honoring fathers? And so it moved forward from there,

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<v Speaker 3>and of course we celebrate Father's Day, but initially it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't a commercialized type of let's my dad some golf

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<v Speaker 3>tees or that type of thing. It was specifically honoring

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<v Speaker 3>fathers because she was so moved about what her father did.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's very appropriate. So what year, then, do we

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<v Speaker 2>trace the first Father's Day to Sonora Smart Dodd and Spokane, Washington.

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<v Speaker 3>Nineteen ten ten?

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<v Speaker 2>It's been around for a while, Okay, Now, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>there's and I want to deal with this because we

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of listeners in West Virginia. We actually

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<v Speaker 2>have listeners also in the Great Northwest. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty powerful signal. And I don't want to start a

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<v Speaker 2>new civil war between West Virginia and Washington, but I

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<v Speaker 2>believe that there's some folks in West Virginia who want

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<v Speaker 2>to claim that they actually inaugurated Father's Day a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years earlier. Now, you know, we can have these

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<v Speaker 2>disputes and we can be polite about them. What is

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<v Speaker 2>West Virginia's claim if and I assume you know it,

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<v Speaker 2>and how they claim it a couple of years ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen ten, they go all the way back to

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh eight. Is this been put to rest, this

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<v Speaker 2>mini dispute if you will.

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<v Speaker 3>Not that I'm aware of, and I don't know that

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<v Speaker 3>much to be honest about West Virginia's claim. The service

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<v Speaker 3>that Sonora attended where she was. It was a Mother's

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<v Speaker 3>Day celebration at her church where she first thought about.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, why not a Father's Day That was nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>oh nine. You know, people can have simultaneous can have

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<v Speaker 3>ideas simultaneously, and I move forward with it. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>do you know what she did here and we're happy

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's good. You gotta be. You got to root

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<v Speaker 2>for the home team. Okay. So how do you folks

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate Father's Day in Spokane? Do you have any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of special festivity since the origin of this day that

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<v Speaker 2>honors fathers originated in your community.

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<v Speaker 3>There have been gatherings at Sonora's grave site. There have

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<v Speaker 3>been tours at the home that she lived in with

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<v Speaker 3>her husband still standing and the people that own it

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<v Speaker 3>were very kind to let people take a tour. So,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's also a monument to Sonora in front of

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<v Speaker 3>that home, as well as at the YMCA where it

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<v Speaker 3>was celebrated, and at the cemetery where she's buried. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's those types of community celebrations. Different organizations, different fraternal

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<v Speaker 3>organizations and the like do different things a large community pride.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to ask you this when Sonora was alive

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how long she lived. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 2>what year she pad?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she was ninety six years old when she died

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen seventy two.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay, so she saw a whole bunch of presidents

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<v Speaker 2>if she would have been born in nineteen seventy or

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<v Speaker 2>rather eighteen seventy six. If I'm doing my math right,

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<v Speaker 2>so she might have seen right, let.

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<v Speaker 3>Me look at my notes.

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<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, I'm doing my math in my head. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>good at So that means that she was born when

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<v Speaker 2>Ulysses S. Grant was president, and she was. She lived

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<v Speaker 2>during Chester Arthur and Benjamin Harrison and Grover Cleveland and

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<v Speaker 2>all of those presidents. She lived to a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>presidents all the way up, and she would have if

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<v Speaker 2>she died in nineteen seventy two. Did she get a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Of excuse me? She died in nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Well how about that? Okay, Well, Jimmy Carr would have

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<v Speaker 2>been president. The point is that she lived a long

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<v Speaker 2>and glorious life and she got to see I guess

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<v Speaker 2>the Father's Day. Really, I can remember so celebrating Father's

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<v Speaker 2>Day when I was a young young man or a

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<v Speaker 2>teenager or a little boy, uh and honoring my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I know, and now everyone in our audience

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<v Speaker 2>knows who we can thank for this grand idea, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's great to know that it's Spokane, Washington. I

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<v Speaker 2>really enjoyed our conversation you, Jane. You are the I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>the director of the Spokane Valley Heritage Museum. So next

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<v Speaker 2>time I'm spoke in Washington, I'm going to swing by

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<v Speaker 2>there and look you up.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, sounds good.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Thank you for the opportunity to share about

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<v Speaker 3>the Norahs.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark dodd Well, I think it's important that we that

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<v Speaker 2>as a as historians, that we remember people like this.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure that she got a lot of satisfaction

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<v Speaker 2>through her you know, very long life, ninety six years.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's a good run to realize that her idea

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<v Speaker 2>resulted in some great family get togethers in all fifty

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<v Speaker 2>and there were fifty states when she passed with families

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<v Speaker 2>honoring fathers. So thank you, Jane Singleton. I appreciate very

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<v Speaker 2>much a joining us tonight all the way from Spokane, Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks again, You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy Father's Day to everyone out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. I have two children and I have two grandchildren,

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<v Speaker 2>so I look forward to Father's Day, that is for sure.

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<v Speaker 6>And enjoying your day.

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<v Speaker 2>Father's Day to everyone in Spokane, Washington. Thanks again, Jane.

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<v Speaker 2>All right by, by the way, Thanks Jane. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>Father's Day shout out, we will be doing that during

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<v Speaker 2>you can do both if you like. My name's Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Nightside. We are moving right along, and when

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<v Speaker 2>we come back, we're going to talk with a fourth

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<v Speaker 2>generation farmer about modern agriculture. There's an American Farm Bureau

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<v Speaker 2>Federation report that says nine to ten people trust farmers.

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<v Speaker 2>Why wouldn't you trust a farmer? Yet only one in

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<v Speaker 2>We'll find out about it when we talk with Dennis

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<v Speaker 2>Bor right. Well, anyone who knows me knows that I

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<v Speaker 2>love to eat okay, and with my awaken when any diet,

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<v Speaker 2>I can eat what I want to eat. And anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who knows me knows that I love farms, particularly farms

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<v Speaker 2>here in New England. Apple orchids wherever you know, pumpkin farms.

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<v Speaker 2>I just love farms, and I love the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>being a farmer. I've never worked on a farm, but

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<v Speaker 2>maybe in a previous life I did. With us tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a real farmer. His name is Dennis Bullany. Dennis,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope I didn't butcher. Your last name is it

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<v Speaker 5>Yes? Blani Blani?

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<v Speaker 2>But all right, well that's great. Well you are a

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<v Speaker 5>Correct, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>And and you know your greatest export was Gordie Howe

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you agree with me.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, oh for sure. And now the Edmonton Oilers after last.

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<v Speaker 2>Night, No, well you've had a lot to be proud

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<v Speaker 2>of with the Edmon Edmonton Oilers. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>The New Bridge in Saskatoon, the big city near me.

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<v Speaker 2>How appropriate? How appropriate? Okay? Well, I always love to

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<v Speaker 2>So you're a fourth generation farmer. Your dad you farmed,

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<v Speaker 2>Your dad farmed, your grandfather farmed, and I guess your

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<v Speaker 2>great grandfather farmed. What do you farm up there? That's

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<v Speaker 2>got you on? What do you grow up there on

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<v Speaker 5>No, we grow a whole bunch of things here. We

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And we're the reason we're talking with you is

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even understand why people would be concerned about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you give us, give us the background.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a great assumption. You got to think, now, all

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<v Speaker 5>About eighty eight percent of the farms are still family farms.

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<v Speaker 5>They're all generational farms. And of course, why do you

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<v Speaker 5>trust farmers While we're the ones on the land taking

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<v Speaker 5>care and growing the food. We're kind of in charge

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<v Speaker 5>of the airplane there. And there's nothing a farmer would

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<v Speaker 5>want to do worse than grow something that was bad

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<v Speaker 5>for the people that ate it, including his friends and relatives.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's but that's only two percent of the North

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<v Speaker 5>American population, and so we have to work with science

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<v Speaker 5>every day. And and of course the other ninety eight percent,

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<v Speaker 5>but I would say the whole, the whole issue stems

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<v Speaker 5>from the wellness industry. You know, the wellness industry is

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<v Speaker 5>to do is the road trust in science? That'd be

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<v Speaker 5>number one. And then number two they want to make

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<v Speaker 5>a product to fix the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what is that?

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<v Speaker 5>Let me just steal. Then, as they get praise from

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<v Speaker 5>people who won't fact check, and because they don't fact

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<v Speaker 5>check because it confirms their biases, we get overloaded with

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<v Speaker 5>misinformation about the real science of food.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So look, I do enjoy food. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>what you call a huge diet and palate. Friends of

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<v Speaker 2>mine love, you know, Thai food and Indian food, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of like an American food guy Canadian food guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do see the ads on TV, and without

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<v Speaker 2>calling in to disrepute any of these groups, they I

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<v Speaker 2>have apples and oranges and fruit, bananas, strawberries, blueberries in

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<v Speaker 2>my refrigerator. I have that stuff every day, Okay, And

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<v Speaker 2>yet I watch some of them to say, well, you

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<v Speaker 2>has fifty three fruits and vegetables or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So is that the sort of thing you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not here, you know, to disparage anyone who's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make a dollar. But is that the type of

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<v Speaker 2>I see a lot of that stuff on TV. To

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<v Speaker 5>You, yeah, yeah, to degree. I think some of it

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<v Speaker 5>stems from the organic whole foods department. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of money to be made and people who claim their

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<v Speaker 5>food is organic. So if you claim organic food is better,

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<v Speaker 5>then what's the obviously what's the obvious thought? Well, then

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<v Speaker 5>all other food must not be as safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, pretty logic.

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<v Speaker 5>People automatically would say, well, if they're being inundated with

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<v Speaker 5>ads that'd say something's better, then they start painting what's

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have anything against organic farmers. I think a

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<v Speaker 5>lot can be learned from organic farmers. But what people

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<v Speaker 5>don't know is they think when they buy organic food

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<v Speaker 5>data they're not exposed to pesticides and all the things

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<v Speaker 5>that farmers use to control insects, bugs, disease and weeds.

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<v Speaker 5>And of course what they don't realize is organic growers

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<v Speaker 5>use toxic compounds just like commercial food. And the real

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<v Speaker 5>issue is you'll pay for the premium of buying organic

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<v Speaker 5>food as an example, But there is no evidence to

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<v Speaker 5>indicate that organic food is any safer than conventionally grown

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<v Speaker 5>food because we're all so regulated, and that's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 5>I think regulations in the food system are a good

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Dennis, I'll tell you you've convinced me. And when

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<v Speaker 2>I go and I'm the guy in my household who

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<v Speaker 2>ends up shopping, and my wife is a big organic person,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to have her listen to this tape because

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<v Speaker 2>organic food is always more expensive as soon as you

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<v Speaker 2>see that label organic. What I make sure of is

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<v Speaker 2>that any food that I'm going to use I washed.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a great, delicious Macintosh apple today, I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea. I make sure I wash that apple before

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<v Speaker 2>I eat that apple. The only fruits fruit that I

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<v Speaker 2>don't wash are fruit that, for example, like oranges or bananas,

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<v Speaker 2>where you have to peel off and you get right

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<v Speaker 2>to the fruit, so you don't have to worry about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll wash anything. If I'm of course cutting up celery,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm washing the celery. If I'm cutting up carrots, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>washing it. I'm washing everything because I have no clue

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<v Speaker 2>where it's been and I'm not someone who buys or can't.

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest with you, I've always held a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a little bit of advertising Madison Street dollars

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<v Speaker 2>to get us to spend a little more money. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy to hear you tell me that. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a book. If I'm not mistaken, the book

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<v Speaker 2>is called What a Farmer Wants You to Know about Food.

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<v Speaker 2>How could folks get a copy of that book?

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<v Speaker 5>They can get a copy of it on Amazon dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a paperback book. I think it's nineteen ninety five

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<v Speaker 5>and twenty four to ninety five for the hardcover collector's edition.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a number one best seller now in Canada, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's being sold in the US, England, Australia, and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>getting remarks from all over the world. And the amazing

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<v Speaker 5>thing to me is people that are thinkers, that read

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<v Speaker 5>the book actually get back to me and say, you

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<v Speaker 5>know what, since I've read your book, I feel a

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<v Speaker 5>lot better about going to the grocery store. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think you shouldn't be scared to go to the grocery store.

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<v Speaker 5>Whatever on the shelves is safe. How much you eat

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<v Speaker 5>of each one, well, that's a whole other discussion that

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<v Speaker 5>you might want to talk to a dietitian about. Our

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<v Speaker 5>food regulation system is so stringent that everything on the

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<v Speaker 5>shelves is safe and people kind of sometimes forget that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's great to remind him you certainly

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<v Speaker 2>have done it tonight. I love your attitude, I really do.

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<v Speaker 2>And the book is what a Farmer wants you to

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<v Speaker 2>Know about food available easily through Amazon. Well, look, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope your oilers do well, but I'm rooting for the

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<v Speaker 2>Panthers because they got Brad Marsha on the little we

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<v Speaker 2>call him here in Boston, the little Ball of Hate.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I actually love the guy. I think he's

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<v Speaker 5>a great personality, a great hockey player. I'll actually feel

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<v Speaker 5>bad for him as if they don't win. But I

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<v Speaker 5>do like the man myself. I think he's a great character.

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<v Speaker 5>I will say one more thing if I might. So,

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<v Speaker 5>there's just been recently the MAHA movements launched a documentary

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<v Speaker 5>and all the MAHA stuff that you guys have going

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<v Speaker 5>on in the States there. That's really interesting to me

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<v Speaker 5>that the new film that's been made by Kayley Means

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<v Speaker 5>and Joe Polish claims to expose misinformation about there they're saying,

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<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of misinformation about our food, and yet

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<v Speaker 5>it turns out that they had studies that didn't even

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<v Speaker 5>exist in their film and in the Maha report. So

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<v Speaker 5>it's rather odd that they would rely on misinformation to

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<v Speaker 5>talk about misinformation. I just thought that was rather humorous.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody, everybody's got an angle, Dennis. You seem like a

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<v Speaker 2>straight shoot you my sort of guy. And next time

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<v Speaker 2>you ride over the Gordy Howbridge, give them away from me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much now, sure will all right, Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>very very much. I really enjoyed the conversation, Dennis, a

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<v Speaker 2>genuine fun. Thank you, Saskatchewan, thank you. Thank you. Ever

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<v Speaker 2>get to Boston, Dennis, have you ever been down this

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<v Speaker 2>way or no? I suspect on.

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<v Speaker 5>Occasion, but I can promise you I will look you up.

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<v Speaker 5>I love news talk radio. I think news talk radio

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<v Speaker 5>is the best way to be a critical thinker and

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<v Speaker 5>learn about all the different angles about food and everything else.

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<v Speaker 5>So kudos to you. I know your show has got

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<v Speaker 5>a great following, and I hear great things about it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're really early, really easy to find. Just pull down

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<v Speaker 2>that iheartnew and improved app and you can walk us

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<v Speaker 2>in WBZ. I have listeners all over the country. I

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<v Speaker 2>have lots of listeners in Canada. Believe it or not.

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<v Speaker 5>I assure you well, and now that I know you,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm certainly going to tune into your program when I'm

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<v Speaker 5>on the tractor. I always listen to news talk on

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<v Speaker 5>the tractor.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we got it. It's eight to midnight Monday through Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>East Coast time. Thanks so much, Dennis really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, You very welcome, very well. Happy day to you.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, when we get back, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk with Julie Pegano. She's the president of the Quincy

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<v Speaker 2>Chamber of Commerce, a dear close friend of a friend

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<v Speaker 2>of mine, Bill Della Hunt, the great fulmer Congressman from

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<v Speaker 2>But we're going to talk about a big parade tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>and hopefully it's going to take place in the afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's going to be a perfect afternoon weatherwise, tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>may say some rain in the morning. We'll be talking

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<v Speaker 2>with Julie Pegano right after the break, the news break

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom of the hour. My name's Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, tomorrow is the big day. Tomorrow is Flag Day,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think no city celebrates Flag Day more effectively

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<v Speaker 2>than the city of Quinsy, the city of Presidents and

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<v Speaker 2>also the great city that was that's represented by Mayor

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Coch, but was represented by a great United States Congressman,

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<v Speaker 2>the late great Bill Della Hunt. And with us tonight

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<v Speaker 2>is someone very close to Congress and Della Hunt, who's

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<v Speaker 2>also the president of the Quincy Chamber of Congress, Julie Pagano. Julie,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back tonight's side. And I miss him every day

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<v Speaker 2>and I know you do as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, Hi, Dan, it's so great to speak with you tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>And yes, Bill, Bill has just left a great mock

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<v Speaker 4>in the city. This is his hometown, the country, in

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<v Speaker 4>the world, and he is missed every single day. And

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<v Speaker 4>I know how much he enjoyed the relationship that he

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<v Speaker 4>shared with you. He spoke about it and shared that

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<v Speaker 4>with me. So it's nice to connect with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Julie. So tomorrow is a big day in Quinsy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's flag Day, but it's Quinsy's four hundred flag day.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Quincy four hundred years old. Now that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I know, sixteen twenty five, twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 4>and here we are.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're three year old.

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<v Speaker 2>Quincy's older than Boston.

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<v Speaker 6>It is no, I mean, it just hit me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to interrupt you, but Boston was sixteen thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>so Quincy's five years older. I mean, I guess some

435
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<v Speaker 2>people must have taken the red line from Quincy back

436
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<v Speaker 2>in you know, sometimes sixteen twenty six or twenty seven,

437
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<v Speaker 2>and said, let's go up to Boston. Wow, tell us

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<v Speaker 2>what's gonna happen tomorrow. I hope the we is the

439
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<v Speaker 2>parade because I hope the weather. Hope it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>later in the day. It's supposed to be kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a little nasty in the morning, but they say it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be clear by noontime.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I haven't really looked at the weather. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>I don't look at weather. It just kind of let

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<v Speaker 4>it be and and hope for the best. But the

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<v Speaker 4>parade is scheduled to start at six pm, and it

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<v Speaker 4>will step off on at Hancock Street in Walter Hanton Parkway.

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<v Speaker 4>People head north down Hancock Street, across Marymount and then

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<v Speaker 4>end up at Adams Field.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's one of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Largest parades that the city has seen. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>what began as a small neighborhood march in nineteen fifty two,

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<v Speaker 4>thanks to the vision of Richard Coke Senior, it has

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<v Speaker 4>grown into a citywide celebration of patriotism, pride, and community.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's really become a living tradition that has connected

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<v Speaker 4>generations of Quincy residents. And I'm so honored to have

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<v Speaker 4>the opportunity to walk and represent the Chamber of Commerce

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<v Speaker 4>tomorrow and just be a part of this celebration. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a spectacular vision that started. Yeah, that started from Mayor Cooks,

460
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<v Speaker 4>Dad and Marek Thomas Coke. Now you know it continues

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<v Speaker 4>with the tradition.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know when you when I was asking the

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<v Speaker 2>time it started, I didn't know, and I was afraid

464
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<v Speaker 2>you were going to say ten o'clock. And I was

465
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<v Speaker 2>gonna say, we have to get some intervention from Bill

466
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<v Speaker 2>Della Hunts. Some heavenly inventioned here to make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>the rain holds off. You're gonna be all set six o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>They said it's going to be cleared out, and uh uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the weather guys seem to be pretty pretty confident about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So tell us some of the highlights. So the parade

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<v Speaker 2>is how long. I know you got the Boston Crusaders

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<v Speaker 2>in there. I know you got drum groups from Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 2>You got a drum corps from Connecticut, to get a

474
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<v Speaker 2>band from the Long Island Sunrisers Drum Corps from obviously

475
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<v Speaker 2>Long Island in New York. You got the US Marine Corps,

476
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<v Speaker 2>Quantico Marine Band, the US Navy Band out of Newport,

477
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<v Speaker 2>Rhode Island. You got the US Army, National Guard, Army Band. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it goes on on. This is gonna be one heck

479
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<v Speaker 2>of a band. As you know, I'm serious, this is

480
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<v Speaker 2>this is going to be a parade to see.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's it's it's just the planning that has gone

482
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<v Speaker 4>on behind the scenes. It has just been immense and

483
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<v Speaker 4>it continues on. We have the Quinsy and the North

484
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<v Speaker 4>Quincy combined bands and several other alumni drum corps. We

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<v Speaker 4>have a lot of the Grand Marshalls returning and walking

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<v Speaker 4>in this particular parade, you know, just looking at at

487
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<v Speaker 4>the the list is uh, Brigadier Ronald Rands, General Dunford,

488
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<v Speaker 4>General James McConnell, and Joe Shay who was the former

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<v Speaker 4>City Clerk General, Francis McGinn our own Quincy police Chief,

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<v Speaker 4>Paul Keenan, and Richard Kennedy from the ALS Research just

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<v Speaker 4>to kind of name a few that we'll be marching

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<v Speaker 4>and you know there there'll be more floats than we've

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<v Speaker 4>ever seen, and of course a nod to the four

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<v Speaker 4>hundred history. And then you know, once we get up

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<v Speaker 4>to uh to pageants failed, we have the great Ronan

496
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<v Speaker 4>time in who is just going to you know, his

497
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:21.599
<v Speaker 4>voice is so magical and he has a patriotic theme

498
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<v Speaker 4>that he's scheduled to perform at eight o'clock and then

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<v Speaker 4>at nine o'clock a spectacular fireworks display and one of

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<v Speaker 4>the largest that the city has seen as well. So

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<v Speaker 4>there's just it's just going to be a great, a

502
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<v Speaker 4>great day leading up to it, in a great evening

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<v Speaker 4>and as I said, I'm just so excited myself to

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<v Speaker 4>be to be a part of it, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>want to thank everybody who involved in the planning.

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<v Speaker 2>Julie, would you do me a personal favor and that

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<v Speaker 2>is say hello to Ronan for me. Uh I had

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<v Speaker 2>on my show probably ten years ago. I know he

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<v Speaker 2>live somewhere down on the South Shore. But I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to reconnect with him and tell him I send him

511
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<v Speaker 2>my best. And I'm so glad that that this former

512
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<v Speaker 2>singer at Yankee Stadium has settled in our area. And

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<v Speaker 2>obviously I hope now as a Red Sox fan, if

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<v Speaker 2>you tell him what a voice, what an incredible voice?

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<v Speaker 2>What is is he doing one specific song tomorrow or

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<v Speaker 2>is he doing a.

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<v Speaker 4>Couple if you know, you know, there's a patriotic lineup

518
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<v Speaker 4>of songs. So I'm not exactly sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you know the.

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<v Speaker 4>Set list, and I think it's somewhat of a surprise

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<v Speaker 4>as well. But yeah, he's just he's just a special,

522
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<v Speaker 4>a special person, and I will I will, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>give the message to him when I I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Really appreciate that because I really enjoyed the time with

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<v Speaker 2>him on the show. Well we will talk soon. I

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<v Speaker 2>just wanted to again once remember the great Congressman Bill

527
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<v Speaker 2>Della Hunted. I know he's going to be with all

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<v Speaker 2>of you tomorrow in spirit, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like I'm following in his footsteps with all

532
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:13.279
<v Speaker 4>those parades that he watched, and so I feel there's

533
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<v Speaker 4>a little nod in a push from him, so you know, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be surprised. My pres Julie, be well, Be well,

535
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>and enjoy tomorrow. It's going to be a great day

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<v Speaker 2>for Quincy and a great day for the entire South Shore.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you too for including Quincy and your show tonight.

539
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<v Speaker 4>We appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, great talk soon when we get back today.

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<v Speaker 2>Besides being the Friday before Father's Day and the Friday

542
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<v Speaker 2>before Flag Day, it's a Friday the thirteenth, and we're

543
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<v Speaker 2>going to talk with a cultural anthropologist with the University

544
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 2>at Buffalo. It is actually the University at Buffalo, not

545
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>the University of Buffalo of Buffalo Rethinking the Anthropology of

546
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Magic and Witchcraft Inherently Human. That's his book. But we're

547
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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about Friday the thirteenth, superstitions. We'll get

548
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<v Speaker 2>to all of that, I promise coming back on Nightside,

549
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:13.599
<v Speaker 2>and then after that we will get to the more

550
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.759
<v Speaker 2>serious topics of the day, which is the Karen retrial

551
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:18.920
<v Speaker 2>in the hands of the jury, as well as what

552
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:22.160
<v Speaker 2>is going on in the Middle East tonight and is

553
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<v Speaker 2>continuing that started last night. Back on Nightside right after this, you're.

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<v Speaker 1>On Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

555
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<v Speaker 2>All Right, we are going to speak with doctor Phil

556
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<v Speaker 2>Stevens Junior, but he insists I call him Phil Phil.

557
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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Nightside. How are you?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I'm trying.

559
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<v Speaker 2>Thanks nice to make you. You're a cultural anthropologist with

560
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:54.240
<v Speaker 2>the University at Buffalo, an author of a book called

561
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<v Speaker 2>Rethinking the Anthropology of Magic and Witchcraft Inherently Human. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell you's Friday the thirteenth. There's a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>who are still superstitious. I'm a little superstitious. Are you

564
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<v Speaker 2>superstitious yourself?

565
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<v Speaker 5>Film?

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<v Speaker 6>No, sure, I suggest that that everybody is to a

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<v Speaker 6>certain degree. Most superstitions are examples of what I call

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<v Speaker 6>in my book magical thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and we all do it. Okay. When you say

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<v Speaker 2>magical thinking, why don't you define that for me a

571
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<v Speaker 2>little bit? Because I certainly know what the word thinking means,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know what magical means. But magical thinking is

573
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<v Speaker 2>you put those words? Well?

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<v Speaker 6>That term is used by others in different ways. The

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<v Speaker 6>way I'm using it is to describe a universal pattern

576
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<v Speaker 6>of thinking, absolutely universal to people. This is the way

577
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<v Speaker 6>the human brain works. To be brief, there are two

578
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<v Speaker 6>fundamental principles out of a total of six that I've identified,

579
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<v Speaker 6>principles of similarity and contact. Things that are similar to

580
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<v Speaker 6>other things in any way sound, behavior, color, shape, or

581
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.639
<v Speaker 6>things that have been in contact with other things are

582
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<v Speaker 6>believed to have a causal relationship with those other things

583
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:33.599
<v Speaker 6>most super and that establishes a magical connection between those

584
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<v Speaker 6>other things. People think they can make things happen over

585
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<v Speaker 6>a distance by acting out the thing they want to

586
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:51.519
<v Speaker 6>have happened. But if the acting out produces an unfortunate result,

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<v Speaker 6>then you've got a taboo. You've got the avoidance of

588
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<v Speaker 6>establishing a magical connection. And that's that's what happened in

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<v Speaker 6>the case of Friday the thirteenth. We do not want

590
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<v Speaker 6>to repeat the events of that terrible Thursday night, that

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<v Speaker 6>Seder meal in the upper room when Jesus sat down

592
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<v Speaker 6>with his twelve disciples. There were thirteen people at that table,

593
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<v Speaker 6>and one of them betrayed him that night, and the

594
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<v Speaker 6>next day, Friday, was he was flogged and crucified, a terrible,

595
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:42.440
<v Speaker 6>terrible event. And so the thirteen becomes a taboo and

596
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<v Speaker 6>the Friday. When the thirteenth falls on a Friday, you've

597
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:53.079
<v Speaker 6>got a double whammy there. So people who are superstitious

598
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<v Speaker 6>tend to be very careful about making decisions. Today. We've

599
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<v Speaker 6>only got a few more hours of so it probably well.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had my occurrences. I'm not a big Big Friday

601
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<v Speaker 2>the Thirteenth guy either, But there's a lot of the

602
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<v Speaker 2>things that you know, you break a mirror to seven

603
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:20.280
<v Speaker 2>years bad luck, there's generally some reason behind it. I

604
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 2>don't walk under ladders, and I don't walk. I choose

605
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<v Speaker 2>not to walk under ladders because I'm superstitious, but I

606
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:29.840
<v Speaker 2>figured that, you know, a ladder could fall, somebody could

607
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<v Speaker 2>fall off a ladder, and I don't want to be

608
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:37.960
<v Speaker 2>there when that happens. Crossing cat paths with a black cat, yeah,

609
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<v Speaker 2>I guess they're associated with witches and bad omens. I

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<v Speaker 2>when I played when I played baseball a little bit

611
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<v Speaker 2>in high school, a little bit in college, I never

612
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<v Speaker 2>wanted to step on the baseline. I was a pitcher,

613
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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to. I just thought it was bad

614
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<v Speaker 2>luck if you if you stepped on the first or

615
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<v Speaker 2>the third baseline, So you just to skip over that.

616
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.079
<v Speaker 2>And I watch a lot of Major League pitchers who

617
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<v Speaker 2>are good pitchers, even though they're much better than I was.

618
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Some of them do it as well. So all of

619
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<v Speaker 2>these have kind of a little I guess a backstory

620
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<v Speaker 2>to them, but.

621
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<v Speaker 6>I'm not sure about all, but certainly most do. And

622
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:28.960
<v Speaker 6>regarding baseball, there baseball is filled with superstitions. And there's

623
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<v Speaker 6>a classic article which you can find online called Baseball Magic.

624
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<v Speaker 6>Just google Baseball Magic. The author is an anthropologist who

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<v Speaker 6>played minor league named George gimmelch G M E. L c. H.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a terrific article. It's gone through many revisions, and

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<v Speaker 6>several versions are available online. When you played, what what?

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<v Speaker 6>What did you do with your bat that's struck out?

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<v Speaker 6>A bat that has struck out must not touch other bats.

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<v Speaker 6>You when you throw it down, you throw it so

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<v Speaker 6>it lands in separate places, and and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Yeah, there there was sometimes you'd have your

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<v Speaker 2>lucky socks. You you know, you'd wear the socks if

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<v Speaker 2>you want, or you would wouldn't wear all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll tell you this. Today's Friday, the thirteenth. It

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<v Speaker 2>just so happened. I had a really rough day to day. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>my company had told me I had to get a

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<v Speaker 2>new computer. You know, they pay for it. So it

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<v Speaker 2>arrived yesterday, and today was the day that I had

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<v Speaker 2>to try to figure out how to migrate stuff from

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<v Speaker 2>my current computer to the new computer. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>a nightmarish day.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you probably didn't have a ten year old handy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if I had a ten year old handy, probably

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<v Speaker 2>could have happened. I could have been taken care of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what you're saying, right, but I'm pretty goods

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<v Speaker 2>But it's sometimes you just get stimmied. Even the people

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<v Speaker 2>who you think can help you, they don't. And the

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<v Speaker 2>funny thing about it is that a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>companies they assume that everybody, let's say, on a scale

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<v Speaker 2>of one to one hundred, has the capacity of one hundred,

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<v Speaker 2>when the fact of the matter is it's like they

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand the concept of a bell curve. You do

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<v Speaker 2>as a college professor that you know, three percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the people should be a's and three percent or f's

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<v Speaker 2>and the rest of us are kind of in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the same way with computers. So I had

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<v Speaker 2>a doubt today. I literally felt like beating my head

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<v Speaker 2>against the wall. And you know the old Joe, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, beating your head against the wall and you

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<v Speaker 2>go up to me and you say, hey, why are

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<v Speaker 2>you beating your head against the wall? And the guy says,

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<v Speaker 2>it feels so good when I stop. You know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that was my feeling. That's my feeling. Tell us about

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<v Speaker 2>your book. You got a book rethinking of the anthropology

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<v Speaker 2>of magic and Witchcraft Inherent Human easily to find, I

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<v Speaker 2>assume on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, it's published by Rutledge, an old British publishing house

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<v Speaker 6>now quite quite big, published twenty twenty four, so it's

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<v Speaker 6>it's recent, and it comes up with a new theory

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<v Speaker 6>of magic and witchcraft. I've suggested that both of these

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<v Speaker 6>belief complexes are rooted in our fundamental humanity. Magic it

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<v Speaker 6>works by absolutely universal patterns of thinking, and witchcraft is

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<v Speaker 6>a is a combination of fourteen fundamental human fears eleven

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<v Speaker 6>of those and fun and fantasies three of those.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, looks Phil, Phil. It sounds like a

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<v Speaker 2>great book. The one thing that I don't have right

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<v Speaker 2>now is time, so I'm running out of time. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>I will encourage people if they're interested, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's interested. It's Doctor Phil Stevens likes to be called

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<v Speaker 2>Phil doesn't want to be confused with that other doctor. Phil.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. I appreciate it very much. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>have a great weekend and happy Father's Day if it applies.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, it does, and thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're very welcome. All Right, we get back. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to open up. I think we'll talk tonight to start

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<v Speaker 2>about the Iranian Israel Israeli conflict. This is a war

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<v Speaker 2>that's going on over there, and we got to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that one Israel wins and that it stays contained

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<v Speaker 2>to the Middle East. We'll talk about it on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of the nine o'clock News