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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>a newer entertainment property, and for this week of August fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>we're continuing with the Gilded Age. This episode was titled

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<v Speaker 2>Love is Never Easy. Yeah, that's that's true, and I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate the way it goes with the following episode's title,

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<v Speaker 2>which is marriage is.

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<v Speaker 3>A camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Guilded age of screenwriters who hurt you.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, love is not easy. For for example, Larry

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<v Speaker 2>and Marion. Yeah, of course, get busted by Bertha's maid, who.

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<v Speaker 1>Did indeed, immediately go and wrap them out, wrap them out? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow. She This parenting tip set up a good

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence network so that anytime your children do anything you

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<v Speaker 1>would want to know about, somebody's telling you. I did

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<v Speaker 1>that with pair of professionals in schools. Uh. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have household help, absolutely let them know.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be worth their why yes, to keep you informed.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I think the I think the maid thought better

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<v Speaker 1>of it after she had done it was like yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Then she's like late.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she sort of had the She sort of

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<v Speaker 2>tried the same method as Billy Carleton's mom and it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, Billy Carleton has completely left the building. Gladys

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<v Speaker 1>thinks she'll be able to go back to him, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>As Larry said, mother got to him.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think she said he said she got

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<v Speaker 1>to his mother or something like that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah got to her. So and indeed she did.

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<v Speaker 4>She did.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. So Billy's mother, we should say, because we

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<v Speaker 1>missed it last week when we were praising her performance,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's Victoria Clark. I know who Victoria Clark is.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't recognize her playing just like the mom, but

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know whoever was doing it had some skills.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, tip of the hat, right, we know, hope

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<v Speaker 1>she would be nice if she had more to do,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe she just had a free you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>free few days and her Broadway buddy said, come and

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<v Speaker 1>play a little role. It'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>We've always got something going on over Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>For you, we'll find somebody's mother for you to be.

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<v Speaker 1>You can have three scenes. It'll be great, h Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's hard for Larry and Marion.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard for Peggy because while the doctor seems amazing

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<v Speaker 2>and lovely, his mother does not.

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<v Speaker 5>Felicious, solicious, shod Wow, what a performance.

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<v Speaker 1>And Brian Stokes Mitchell is his dad.

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<v Speaker 3>So yes again Broadway, yes are you here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the dad seemed seem cool, lovely and oh boys,

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<v Speaker 2>a real snob and a colorist, yes real ouch ouch ouch.

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<v Speaker 1>So everybody's a racist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that was harsh, But but we had to

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<v Speaker 2>have something to get in the way of Peggy's yes, love,

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<v Speaker 2>so I assume that.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is, by the way, never easy.

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<v Speaker 3>D You're it's not easy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So but then of course the big the big thing

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<v Speaker 2>about love not being easy is marrying Glady's off to

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<v Speaker 2>the duke. It's Bertha, of course, as we knew, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>last week was not finished with this, with this plan,

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<v Speaker 2>she had to kind of regroup and.

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<v Speaker 3>Restart, but she did.

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<v Speaker 2>She found a way to basically tell the rival like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not gonna win this.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I really enjoyed, I should look up who played

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<v Speaker 1>the rival's dad, because he was terrific, yes, and so

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<v Speaker 1>bemused by the whole thing, and not like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>gonna snap back at George for telling his wife business

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<v Speaker 1>things and not gonna just like I don't want my

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<v Speaker 1>daughter to marry this student and go to England. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care, And you know, I admire your comps. He

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<v Speaker 1>was just so such a human being, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>for you. You may have all the money, but you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta come home to this.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Andrew Garman and he was in The Holdovers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he played who was he played a doctor? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>must have been a doctor at the like mental hospital where.

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<v Speaker 3>You know where the kid's dad was.

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<v Speaker 1>Could be or also could be that didn't he have

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<v Speaker 1>to didn't the kid have to go to the hospital

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<v Speaker 1>for something he injured himself. Yeah, that could be that too,

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<v Speaker 1>But either way, excellent job by that guy of just

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<v Speaker 1>seeing like seeming like such a cool human of which

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<v Speaker 1>we don't see all that many of the killed pitch right,

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<v Speaker 1>and he could have been a real insufferable jerk who

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<v Speaker 1>then made things difficult. But he's uh, you know, good

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<v Speaker 1>for his daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm. Yeah I liked that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't I mean, maybe Bertha

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even need to do any of that because you

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<v Speaker 2>just like, oh, I don't don't want her to marry

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<v Speaker 2>this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it was pretty it seemed just.

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<v Speaker 3>Sort of a little errand that they went.

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<v Speaker 1>On, right, It seems pretty risky of her to do

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<v Speaker 1>that because George kind of told her that stuff in confidence.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he expected her to turn around and

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<v Speaker 1>call the guy in and tell him that she knows right. Fortunately.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and the other thing that that happened in this

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<v Speaker 2>episode was that Patrick Page came back yes Zona, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, oh, we need more money, and so

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<v Speaker 2>George said, well take the money that we were going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this I have this in capital letters many times

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<v Speaker 1>in my notes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so what's that is that going to be?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Chekhov's dowries it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't understand because I thought then when I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>when uh Bertha was then turning around and making this

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was going to be a huge crisis, George

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<v Speaker 1>saying you did what we don't have that money anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>But George was like, okay, cool. He didn't seem to

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<v Speaker 2>All, and also not that concerned that you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>told Gladys that she wouldn't have to do it, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>then he was like, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, las Birtha figured it out.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is, at that point I would have felt

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<v Speaker 1>worse about it for Gladys had Billy not just turned

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<v Speaker 1>out to be such a crushingly drip. Yeah. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's like she no longer has the dream of Billy,

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<v Speaker 1>so might as well bebe you know, what are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to do if you you know, it's like Marian

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<v Speaker 1>with Billy and then the Duke goes away, she's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be She's not gonna have her choice than either, so

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<v Speaker 1>you might as well take the bad choice that involves

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<v Speaker 1>a fabulous lifestyle, I guess, right right in England where

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<v Speaker 1>you know nobody, but it'll be fine, but your mother's

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<v Speaker 1>not there, right, Yeah, just saying that that alone could

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<v Speaker 1>be yes, but yes, but I just kept saying, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>George spend the dowry? Shouldn't he mention that he spent

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<v Speaker 1>the dowry already, that they're that money doesn't exist anymore? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and he can't. I think it's just he can't get

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<v Speaker 1>in touch with Patrick, right because he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like on a he's on a train, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean they have telegrams and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I guess George is just like, yeah, it'll all

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<v Speaker 4>be fine because I'll I'll make billions on this deal when.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually Yeah, I guess that's gonna be pretty awkward

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<v Speaker 1>for Gladys when she's in some stranger's house in England

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<v Speaker 1>in the check bounces.

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<v Speaker 2>But he'll just be like, well, remember that that allowance,

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<v Speaker 2>hind about that part, I'll give you everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Bertha already told him the allowance, you know, feel

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<v Speaker 1>free to just read that whenever you.

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<v Speaker 3>Want, what's hers is yours.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 5>But then at the end it did have kind of

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<v Speaker 5>a like a nice little chat yes Duke and glad

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<v Speaker 5>like when he was like, well this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, yeah that was somewhat reassuring, but I

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<v Speaker 1>still love must yeah no. And then at the end,

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<v Speaker 1>after her painting is unveiled, Gladys fidgets with her necklace

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<v Speaker 1>one too many times and it falls apart, which, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>based on things I read in social media, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>has symbolizes nothing good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But also the other thing that I read was that

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<v Speaker 2>a decent pearl necklace would not do that because each

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<v Speaker 2>so that you would you.

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<v Speaker 1>Would use So who who gave her the pearl necklace?

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<v Speaker 1>Did the dude give it to her?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, because she had it on earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm just wondering, if it's not a decent pearl necklace,

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<v Speaker 1>who is giving her cheap jewelry?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it like a sign of you know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>all a house of cards.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, probably, And also the servants are going, oh bleep,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have to spend the next month findings it

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<v Speaker 1>bounced on a hard tile floor and have gone every

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<v Speaker 1>bleeping where does somebody count? Do we know how many

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking for?

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<v Speaker 3>Right rightmare?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the maid who rated out Mary and Larry should

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<v Speaker 1>get that duty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's your job to get down.

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<v Speaker 1>There on your Oh my m hm, Well so what else?

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<v Speaker 2>Did anything else happen at the van?

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<v Speaker 3>Ryans?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh we're gonna get We're gonna get.

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<v Speaker 3>A seance or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes we are.

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<v Speaker 2>The cook has sympathetically told Ada like, oh, you could

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<v Speaker 2>talk to him one more time, Robert.

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<v Speaker 3>Sean Leonard, we'll get him there.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're honoring the man by not drinking alcohol when

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<v Speaker 1>he had no trouble with alcohol, and by doing some

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<v Speaker 1>a seance which I have to think that a religious

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<v Speaker 2>Could not appreciate exactly think things through, will you?

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<v Speaker 1>Warning is never easy? But you're being kind of bad

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<v Speaker 1>at it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do have.

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<v Speaker 2>To feel bad, and I did. I was impressed by

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<v Speaker 2>the cook, you know, yeah, how she handled basically being

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<v Speaker 2>Why didn't anybody sign it? Except for that awful strong,

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<v Speaker 2>And Agnes and Oscar all dang day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, don't take their don't take each other. Yeah, don't

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<v Speaker 1>that you're right right, And she is not taking her

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<v Speaker 2>And we did also get a little advancement of the

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<v Speaker 2>clock plot, yes, with Larry and Jack going to meet

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<v Speaker 2>with some you know clock yes, guys, and thankfully Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Necessary, so did well.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, finally, Larry, you did something right with

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, yes, I also.

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed the scene between Jack and It's armstrong right,

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<v Speaker 1>the unpleasant Yes, great. Yeah. It shows that sometimes somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who you have no respect for otherwise, can you know,

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<v Speaker 1>give you some perspective, and you need to be open

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<v Speaker 1>to everybody, and that she reached out to him in

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<v Speaker 1>that way, and that she really had a very valuable

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<v Speaker 1>That you know, we tend to dismiss her as just

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But then there was that little ending he says, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she's got to stay true, but still she that

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<v Speaker 1>was that was a nice scene. I really enjoyed that

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<v Speaker 1>and I liked the message parenting tip wise, sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>at least I will open to everybody. Sometimes. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about parenting books last week, that you take

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<v Speaker 1>what you need and leave the rest and adjust what

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<v Speaker 1>people who might otherwise make your blood boil if sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>they have a good insight that you can just remove

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<v Speaker 1>from the rest and polish in the way that you wish,

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<v Speaker 1>and it can be useful. So, but that was that

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<v Speaker 1>was very sweet. So I also enjoyed how much missus

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<v Speaker 1>Fish is enjoying all of this. She's like, she said,

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<v Speaker 1>she thinks that the opera is an opportunity to wear

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<v Speaker 1>pick up to drink all the delicious tea. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>All so fun for her. M hm.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, And was there any was there any Aurora?

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<v Speaker 1>Just to other was there No? I don't there's any

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<v Speaker 3>I think that she was mentioned, but she didn't appear.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I think it was what Agnes was saying that

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<v Speaker 1>she's now going to be excluded from society, and that

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it sounds like she could have a

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know, it's a good introduce her to

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<v Speaker 1>A good parenting tip that there are snobs in every circle.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, no matter what, you're never going to find

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<v Speaker 1>a group where somebody doesn't think they're better than everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>So find the people who you can sit in a

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<v Speaker 1>Missus Fish observing all of these.

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<v Speaker 3>She doesn't laugh at people.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she just gossips.

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<v Speaker 1>She sort of just giggles softly to herself. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I hope she has somebody at home, whether it be

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<v Speaker 1>she can go home and just tell all these stories too.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and then this thing happened. Oh and then this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh can you believe this? She's writing it down and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have a just a killer society novel to come

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<v Speaker 1>out at some point, or she just just enjoys her

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<v Speaker 1>life and that's it. That's sufficient, Yeah, keeps her own canceled.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So next Wednesday we will continue with season three,

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<v Speaker 2>episode four.

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<v Speaker 3>As I mentioned, it is called marriage is a Game?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, are we gonna I mean, we already know

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<v Speaker 6>some there'reages that are a gamble, but are we gonna

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<v Speaker 1>Further along with Larry and Marion? Or how many weeks

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<v Speaker 1>are we gonna just sort of.

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<v Speaker 3>Not?

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<v Speaker 2>They can't just like be happy from the beginning, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they've got to keep introducing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well whatever, it would be a gamble though, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>it would.

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<v Speaker 3>But we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see next Wednesday, and we'll be back here tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>for our weekly Roundabout round up.

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