Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on
Speaker 2: a newer entertainment property, and for this week of August fourth,
Speaker 2: we're continuing with the Gilded Age. This episode was titled
Speaker 2: Love is Never Easy. Yeah, that's that's true, and I
Speaker 2: appreciate the way it goes with the following episode's title,
Speaker 2: which is marriage is.
Speaker 3: A camp.
Speaker 1: Guilded age of screenwriters who hurt you.
Speaker 2: So yeah, love is not easy. For for example, Larry
Speaker 2: and Marion. Yeah, of course, get busted by Bertha's maid, who.
Speaker 1: Did indeed, immediately go and wrap them out, wrap them out? Yes,
Speaker 1: Oh wow. She This parenting tip set up a good
Speaker 1: intelligence network so that anytime your children do anything you
Speaker 1: would want to know about, somebody's telling you. I did
Speaker 1: that with pair of professionals in schools. Uh. And I mean,
Speaker 1: if you have household help, absolutely let them know.
Speaker 2: It'll be worth their why yes, to keep you informed.
Speaker 1: Although I think the I think the maid thought better
Speaker 1: of it after she had done it was like yeah.
Speaker 3: Then she's like late.
Speaker 2: I think she sort of had the She sort of
Speaker 2: tried the same method as Billy Carleton's mom and it
Speaker 2: didn't didn't work.
Speaker 1: No, no, Billy Carleton has completely left the building. Gladys
Speaker 1: thinks she'll be able to go back to him, and
Speaker 1: it's like no, no, no.
Speaker 2: As Larry said, mother got to him.
Speaker 1: I think I think she said he said she got
Speaker 1: to his mother or something like that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah got to her. So and indeed she did.
Speaker 4: She did.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So Billy's mother, we should say, because we
Speaker 1: missed it last week when we were praising her performance,
Speaker 1: and it's Victoria Clark. I know who Victoria Clark is.
Speaker 1: I didn't recognize her playing just like the mom, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know whoever was doing it had some skills.
Speaker 1: So yeah, tip of the hat, right, we know, hope
Speaker 1: she would be nice if she had more to do,
Speaker 1: but maybe she just had a free you know, a
Speaker 1: free few days and her Broadway buddy said, come and
Speaker 1: play a little role. It'll be fine.
Speaker 2: We've always got something going on over Yeah.
Speaker 1: For you, we'll find somebody's mother for you to be.
Speaker 1: You can have three scenes. It'll be great, h Yes.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's hard for Larry and Marion.
Speaker 2: It's hard for Peggy because while the doctor seems amazing
Speaker 2: and lovely, his mother does not.
Speaker 5: Felicious, solicious, shod Wow, what a performance.
Speaker 1: And Brian Stokes Mitchell is his dad.
Speaker 3: So yes again Broadway, yes are you here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dad seemed seem cool, lovely and oh boys,
Speaker 2: a real snob and a colorist, yes real ouch ouch ouch.
Speaker 1: So everybody's a racist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that was harsh, But but we had to
Speaker 2: have something to get in the way of Peggy's yes, love,
Speaker 2: so I assume that.
Speaker 1: Which is, by the way, never easy.
Speaker 3: D You're it's not easy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So but then of course the big the big thing
Speaker 2: about love not being easy is marrying Glady's off to
Speaker 2: the duke. It's Bertha, of course, as we knew, Yeah,
Speaker 2: last week was not finished with this, with this plan,
Speaker 2: she had to kind of regroup and.
Speaker 3: Restart, but she did.
Speaker 2: She found a way to basically tell the rival like, look,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna win this.
Speaker 1: Although I really enjoyed, I should look up who played
Speaker 1: the rival's dad, because he was terrific, yes, and so
Speaker 1: bemused by the whole thing, and not like, you know,
Speaker 1: gonna snap back at George for telling his wife business
Speaker 1: things and not gonna just like I don't want my
Speaker 1: daughter to marry this student and go to England. I
Speaker 1: don't care, And you know, I admire your comps. He
Speaker 1: was just so such a human being, you know, like
Speaker 1: probably thinking to himself, oh boy, George, I feel sorry
Speaker 1: for you. You may have all the money, but you
Speaker 1: gotta come home to this.
Speaker 2: His name is Andrew Garman and he was in The Holdovers.
Speaker 2: Oh he played who was he played a doctor? Okay,
Speaker 2: must have been a doctor at the like mental hospital where.
Speaker 3: You know where the kid's dad was.
Speaker 1: Could be or also could be that didn't he have
Speaker 1: to didn't the kid have to go to the hospital
Speaker 1: for something he injured himself. Yeah, that could be that too,
Speaker 1: But either way, excellent job by that guy of just
Speaker 1: seeing like seeming like such a cool human of which
Speaker 1: we don't see all that many of the killed pitch right,
Speaker 1: and he could have been a real insufferable jerk who
Speaker 1: then made things difficult. But he's uh, you know, good
Speaker 1: for his daughter.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah I liked that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't I mean, maybe Bertha
Speaker 2: didn't even need to do any of that because you
Speaker 2: just like, oh, I don't don't want her to marry
Speaker 2: this guy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was pretty it seemed just.
Speaker 3: Sort of a little errand that they went.
Speaker 1: On, right, It seems pretty risky of her to do
Speaker 1: that because George kind of told her that stuff in confidence.
Speaker 1: I don't think he expected her to turn around and
Speaker 1: call the guy in and tell him that she knows right. Fortunately.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and the other thing that that happened in this
Speaker 2: episode was that Patrick Page came back yes Zona, and
Speaker 2: he was like, oh, we need more money, and so
Speaker 2: George said, well take the money that we were going to.
Speaker 1: Yes, this I have this in capital letters many times
Speaker 1: in my notes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what's that is that going to be?
Speaker 2: You know, Chekhov's dowries it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't understand because I thought then when I mean,
Speaker 1: when uh Bertha was then turning around and making this
Speaker 1: match happen again and promising him the money again, I
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be a huge crisis, George
Speaker 1: saying you did what we don't have that money anymore.
Speaker 1: But George was like, okay, cool. He didn't seem to
Speaker 1: be concerned at.
Speaker 2: All, and also not that concerned that you know, he
Speaker 2: told Gladys that she wouldn't have to do it, and yeah,
Speaker 2: then he was like, oh.
Speaker 3: Well, las Birtha figured it out.
Speaker 1: The thing is, at that point I would have felt
Speaker 1: worse about it for Gladys had Billy not just turned
Speaker 1: out to be such a crushingly drip. Yeah. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's like she no longer has the dream of Billy,
Speaker 1: so might as well bebe you know, what are you
Speaker 1: going to do if you you know, it's like Marian
Speaker 1: saying that she's struck out twice, she's got to be
Speaker 1: really careful the third time. You know, if she fails
Speaker 1: with Billy and then the Duke goes away, she's gonna
Speaker 1: be She's not gonna have her choice than either, so
Speaker 1: you might as well take the bad choice that involves
Speaker 1: a fabulous lifestyle, I guess, right right in England where
Speaker 1: you know nobody, but it'll be fine, but your mother's
Speaker 1: not there, right, Yeah, just saying that that alone could
Speaker 1: be yes, but yes, but I just kept saying, didn't
Speaker 1: George spend the dowry? Shouldn't he mention that he spent
Speaker 1: the dowry already, that they're that money doesn't exist anymore? Well,
Speaker 1: and he can't. I think it's just he can't get
Speaker 1: in touch with Patrick, right because he's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like on a he's on a train, I guess,
Speaker 2: But I mean they have telegrams and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess George is just like, yeah, it'll all
Speaker 4: be fine because I'll I'll make billions on this deal when.
Speaker 1: It actually Yeah, I guess that's gonna be pretty awkward
Speaker 1: for Gladys when she's in some stranger's house in England
Speaker 1: in the check bounces.
Speaker 2: But he'll just be like, well, remember that that allowance,
Speaker 2: hind about that part, I'll give you everything else.
Speaker 1: Well, Bertha already told him the allowance, you know, feel
Speaker 1: free to just read that whenever you.
Speaker 3: Want, what's hers is yours.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 5: But then at the end it did have kind of
Speaker 5: a like a nice little chat yes Duke and glad
Speaker 5: like when he was like, well this.
Speaker 3: Is awkward basicly and She's like yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, yeah that was somewhat reassuring, but I
Speaker 1: still love must yeah no. And then at the end,
Speaker 1: after her painting is unveiled, Gladys fidgets with her necklace
Speaker 1: one too many times and it falls apart, which, uh,
Speaker 1: based on things I read in social media, yeah, this
Speaker 1: has symbolizes nothing good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also the other thing that I read was that
Speaker 2: a decent pearl necklace would not do that because each
Speaker 2: there would be a knot in between each each pearl,
Speaker 2: so that you would you.
Speaker 1: Would use So who who gave her the pearl necklace?
Speaker 1: Did the dude give it to her?
Speaker 3: I don't know, because she had it on earlier.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just wondering, if it's not a decent pearl necklace,
Speaker 1: who is giving her cheap jewelry?
Speaker 2: Is it like a sign of you know, this is
Speaker 2: all a house of cards.
Speaker 1: That's right, probably, And also the servants are going, oh bleep,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to spend the next month findings it
Speaker 1: bounced on a hard tile floor and have gone every
Speaker 1: bleeping where does somebody count? Do we know how many
Speaker 1: we're looking for?
Speaker 3: Right rightmare?
Speaker 1: Well, the maid who rated out Mary and Larry should
Speaker 1: get that duty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's your job to get down.
Speaker 1: There on your Oh my m hm, Well so what else?
Speaker 2: Did anything else happen at the van?
Speaker 3: Ryans?
Speaker 2: Oh we're gonna get We're gonna get.
Speaker 3: A seance or something.
Speaker 1: Yes we are.
Speaker 2: The cook has sympathetically told Ada like, oh, you could
Speaker 2: talk to him one more time, Robert.
Speaker 3: Sean Leonard, we'll get him there.
Speaker 1: So we're honoring the man by not drinking alcohol when
Speaker 1: he had no trouble with alcohol, and by doing some
Speaker 1: a seance which I have to think that a religious
Speaker 1: uh person would not agree with.
Speaker 2: Could not appreciate exactly think things through, will you?
Speaker 1: Warning is never easy? But you're being kind of bad
Speaker 1: at it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do have.
Speaker 2: To feel bad, and I did. I was impressed by
Speaker 2: the cook, you know, yeah, how she handled basically being
Speaker 2: you know, put on the spotlight. Why didn't you sign it?
Speaker 2: Why didn't anybody sign it? Except for that awful strong,
Speaker 2: and she was very like gentle and kind without you know,
Speaker 2: overstepping her position.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are many things she could have gotten people
Speaker 1: to sign. It's it's not about you, honey, it's about
Speaker 1: they like to have a beer at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. It's about enjoy their wine. You know, none
Speaker 1: of them are alcohol a dealing them alone, I'm dealing
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 2: And Agnes and Oscar all dang day.
Speaker 1: Yes, don't take their don't take each other. Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: take their enjoyment away. That's like, it's not it's not
Speaker 1: a personal slight. And I don't think they would do
Speaker 1: it for Agnes either, although Agnes would probably be a
Speaker 1: little more overbearing about it, but she would never ask
Speaker 1: that you're right right, And she is not taking her
Speaker 1: whole change in fortune well at all. It's delightful, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it is not to see her downfall, but just to
Speaker 1: see how she's still the same person from the other end,
Speaker 1: not humbled. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And we did also get a little advancement of the
Speaker 2: clock plot, yes, with Larry and Jack going to meet
Speaker 2: with some you know clock yes, guys, and thankfully Jack
Speaker 2: spoke up and when the time when it be.
Speaker 1: Necessary, so did well.
Speaker 2: It was like, finally, Larry, you did something right with
Speaker 2: this clock by actually bringing Jack with you.
Speaker 1: And yes, yes, I also.
Speaker 3: Realized otherwise you would have been out of there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would not have as you did. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed the scene between Jack and It's armstrong right,
Speaker 1: the unpleasant Yes, great. Yeah. It shows that sometimes somebody
Speaker 1: who you have no respect for otherwise, can you know,
Speaker 1: give you some perspective, and you need to be open
Speaker 1: to everybody, and that she reached out to him in
Speaker 1: that way, and that she really had a very valuable
Speaker 1: insight to share.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: That you know, we tend to dismiss her as just
Speaker 1: but she was kind. She was very kind.
Speaker 2: She was kind of like, guys, you make me look quick,
Speaker 2: absolutely horrible all day, Like can you give me a
Speaker 2: little yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then there was that little ending he says, thanks
Speaker 2: for giving me some hope.
Speaker 3: She's like, oh I didn't, Yeah, I didn't mean to.
Speaker 1: Well, she's got to stay true, but still she that
Speaker 1: was that was a nice scene. I really enjoyed that
Speaker 1: and I liked the message parenting tip wise, sometimes you
Speaker 1: can get insights from people you otherwise do not like
Speaker 1: and do not respect, and you have to be open
Speaker 1: at least I will open to everybody. Sometimes. It's like
Speaker 1: we talked about parenting books last week, that you take
Speaker 1: what you need and leave the rest and adjust what
Speaker 1: you take to fit you. But it's the same with
Speaker 1: people who might otherwise make your blood boil if sometimes
Speaker 1: they have a good insight that you can just remove
Speaker 1: from the rest and polish in the way that you wish,
Speaker 1: and it can be useful. So, but that was that
Speaker 1: was very sweet. So I also enjoyed how much missus
Speaker 1: Fish is enjoying all of this. She's like, she said,
Speaker 1: she thinks that the opera is an opportunity to wear
Speaker 1: her jewels and talk to people she likes, and to
Speaker 1: pick up to drink all the delicious tea. She's like,
Speaker 1: she's like a little bee going from group to group
Speaker 1: collecting gossip.
Speaker 3: Yes, she's very wonderful.
Speaker 1: All so fun for her. M hm.
Speaker 2: So yeah, And was there any was there any Aurora?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: Just to other was there No? I don't there's any
Speaker 1: mention of herdle.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I think that she was mentioned, but she didn't appear.
Speaker 3: I don't believe.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it was what Agnes was saying that
Speaker 1: she's now going to be excluded from society, and that
Speaker 1: she will go to Newport with Aurora and the other
Speaker 1: outcasts and at least they will have wine or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what it was.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it sounds like she could have a
Speaker 1: good time there. Just steer clear of Felicierer's shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, it's a good introduce her to
Speaker 2: your maid.
Speaker 1: A good parenting tip that there are snobs in every circle.
Speaker 1: You know, no matter what, you're never going to find
Speaker 1: a group where somebody doesn't think they're better than everybody else.
Speaker 1: So find the people who you can sit in a
Speaker 1: corner and laugh at them with. So like missus f Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: Missus Fish observing all of these.
Speaker 3: She doesn't laugh at people.
Speaker 2: Well, she just gossips.
Speaker 1: She sort of just giggles softly to herself. I think
Speaker 1: I hope she has somebody at home, whether it be
Speaker 1: a partner or a child or a sympathetic servant, who
Speaker 1: she can go home and just tell all these stories too.
Speaker 1: Oh and then this thing happened. Oh and then this thing.
Speaker 1: Oh can you believe this? She's writing it down and
Speaker 1: we'll have a just a killer society novel to come
Speaker 1: out at some point, or she just just enjoys her
Speaker 1: life and that's it. That's sufficient, Yeah, keeps her own canceled.
Speaker 2: Yes, So next Wednesday we will continue with season three,
Speaker 2: episode four.
Speaker 3: As I mentioned, it is called marriage is a Game?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, are we gonna I mean, we already know
Speaker 6: some there'reages that are a gamble, but are we gonna
Speaker 6: move Are we gonna move.
Speaker 1: Further along with Larry and Marion? Or how many weeks
Speaker 1: are we gonna just sort of.
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 2: They can't just like be happy from the beginning, you know,
Speaker 2: they've got to keep introducing that.
Speaker 1: Oh well whatever, it would be a gamble though, yep,
Speaker 1: it would.
Speaker 3: But we'll see.
Speaker 2: We'll see next Wednesday, and we'll be back here tomorrow
Speaker 2: for our weekly Roundabout round up.
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