Speaker 1: It looks like it's a natural control for cancer. And
Speaker 1: he told me the story. All right, this kid's interesting
Speaker 1: in the details. He had a dog that had cancer
Speaker 1: and he was about to put the dog down because
Speaker 1: he tried chemotherapy and everything else on the dog that
Speaker 1: the doctors do and it wasn't working. In fact, the
Speaker 1: dog was getting sicker. And when he heard about he says,
Speaker 1: I tried to use I decided to use this substance
Speaker 1: on the dog, and he said, blow me down. The
Speaker 1: dog got well real fast. I couldn't believe it. I'd
Speaker 1: never seen that happen before. And then the next part
Speaker 1: of the story is that he said his nurse came
Speaker 1: to him, his head nurse, whose husband had terminal cancer,
Speaker 1: and she said, doctor John, you know my husband is
Speaker 1: not going to last very much longer. And I saw
Speaker 1: what happened to the dog. Would you please do that
Speaker 1: for my husband?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: And he said, well, sure, I'd be glad to, but
Speaker 1: don't tell anybody because it's not approved, you know, and
Speaker 1: for human use. And he tried it on her husband
Speaker 1: and he got well, this is how it all started.
Speaker 1: And so John said, I started using it very very
Speaker 1: cautiously and very low dosages and very suspiciously making sure
Speaker 1: that I was not risking anybody's life, using it only
Speaker 1: on people who really had terminal cancer.
Speaker 3: Joining us now is g Edward Griffin, a real giant
Speaker 3: in the liberty movement. He's done so many monumental works.
Speaker 3: Of course everybody knows Creature from Jackal Island, but we
Speaker 3: want also talked to him today about his book A
Speaker 3: World Without Cancer, because I think that's a message that
Speaker 3: is people are ready to hear after what we've been
Speaker 3: through for the last four years. But we've now seen
Speaker 3: I think, really a convergence in medical, financial, and political
Speaker 3: because it's being swallowed up by the political stuff. But
Speaker 3: great to have Joe Griffin on. Thank you so much
Speaker 3: for joining us.
Speaker 1: Sir, well, it is my pleasure. Thanks for inviting me.
Speaker 3: And I want to talk also about the Red Pill
Speaker 3: Expo that's going to be coming up in just a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks as well, so I'll give you a
Speaker 3: chance to talk about that and what's happening with that.
Speaker 3: But your work is very well known by a lot
Speaker 3: of people, and we're going to try to get into
Speaker 3: maybe you know, the medical aspect of this is maybe
Speaker 3: not as well known as a federal reserve. But we
Speaker 3: do want to talk about the financial stuff. That's very
Speaker 3: important right now. But I think it'd be good for
Speaker 3: us to talk about your biography. How did you get
Speaker 3: into doing documentaries and books and especially in terms of
Speaker 3: going against the grain of conventional wisdom. Tell us a
Speaker 3: little bit about your background.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a long background, of course, considering my age,
Speaker 1: and it's probably not very interesting. It's rather boring. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're correct. We've covered some ground and made some amazing
Speaker 1: touch points along the way. I think it's only because
Speaker 1: we've been at it for so long. My life has
Speaker 1: been pretty much normal in the sense by normal, I'm
Speaker 1: almost afraid or embarrassed to say normal, because unfortunately what
Speaker 1: is normal out there in the world today is not
Speaker 1: particularly attractive.
Speaker 3: An abnormal world. A normal person in an abnormal world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it's not unusual. I guess I
Speaker 1: should say in that I would start out in one
Speaker 1: direction and be confronted by some impossible barrier or setback
Speaker 1: or tragedy, and it would be life changing for me
Speaker 1: and very very uncomfortable, very painful, very very frightening. But
Speaker 1: in retrospect, as the time goes by. I find out
Speaker 1: that that was the best thing that ever happened to me,
Speaker 1: because it forced me to do a right turn or
Speaker 1: change my direction substantially. And even though it was painful
Speaker 1: and I had to abandon my original plans and expectations,
Speaker 1: I found out that it was a better direction than
Speaker 1: the one I was on originally. And this my life,
Speaker 1: is full of that. And some of those those tragedies
Speaker 1: along the way were very serious illnesses too. I was
Speaker 1: still very young, in my early thirties, and I had
Speaker 1: a wife and a couple of kids to support, and
Speaker 1: I had a collapse, and I had two doctors tell
Speaker 1: me I had multiple sclerosis. Not that was I didn't
Speaker 1: really know for sure what that was. I knew it
Speaker 1: was bad, but when I looked it up in the
Speaker 1: in the encyclopedia, I decided, oh, man, this is a
Speaker 1: bad way to go out the door. And I thought
Speaker 1: I was dying, of course, but it was a misdiagnosis.
Speaker 1: I had exhausted myself. I had it rather. I thought
Speaker 1: I was carrying the world on my shoulders. I thought
Speaker 1: I had to save the world all by myself, and
Speaker 1: so I was not getting a lot of sleep. I
Speaker 1: was a young guy. Of course, I was doing a
Speaker 1: lot of traveling, making presentations, training sessions, all that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. So I would go from one town to
Speaker 1: the next and drive a good portion of the day
Speaker 1: to get there, get there and be taken out to
Speaker 1: dinner and then put on an evening presentation and then
Speaker 1: meeted somebody's house afterwards.
Speaker 3: And what kind of presentations were you doing? Was this political?
Speaker 1: Well, these were these were recruiting, These were recruiting meetings
Speaker 1: I was at that time. I was a coordinator for
Speaker 1: the John Birch Society. I know that scares a lot
Speaker 1: of people that think that's a wacko organization, but not me.
Speaker 1: Well good anyway, they're very to me. They're very, very
Speaker 1: calm and very not wacko at all. Of course they
Speaker 1: have some wackos in there, but the percentage of wackos
Speaker 1: and the brid Society, I thought was smaller than the
Speaker 1: percentage outside of the brit Society everywhere. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the safest place to be. But anyway, that's what
Speaker 1: I was doing. And so I was drinking. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody would want to buy me some wine and we'd
Speaker 1: drink wine and talk about life and the world events
Speaker 1: and so forth. And then I get to bed late
Speaker 1: at night or early in the morning, get up in
Speaker 1: the morning and drive and do that over and over again.
Speaker 1: I came back and I was planning some trees in
Speaker 1: my front yard and I just froze up. I became paralyzed.
Speaker 1: And take a long story short, I was I had
Speaker 1: just exhausted my physical strength, malnutrition, toxic elements in my body,
Speaker 1: not enough sleep, and a bad metal attitude, always filled
Speaker 1: with anxiety, and you know, all the bad things. And
Speaker 1: I didn't realized. I didn't think I had to worry
Speaker 1: about that because I was young, right, Young people don't
Speaker 1: get sick, So anyway, they diagnosed it as multiple sclerosis.
Speaker 1: It turned out not to be that. Once I got
Speaker 1: off of my routine and started to find out what
Speaker 1: this world was all about in terms of nutrition and
Speaker 1: rest and avoiding toxic things in your body and in
Speaker 1: your environment and so forth, I recovered rather rapidly, So
Speaker 1: in retrospect, it was very good because I learned how
Speaker 1: to live, and I probably wouldn't be alive today if
Speaker 1: I hadn't learned that lesson early in my life. At
Speaker 1: the same time, I was really pretty well stuck in bed,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know I could write. I had gone
Speaker 1: to school, I had learned, I'd learned about communications. I
Speaker 1: would stage plays. I was an actor, a little child actor.
Speaker 1: You can imagine anything worse than that. I did a
Speaker 1: lot of early day.
Speaker 3: I can imagine it being a lot worse today.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. It was pretty bad. I was
Speaker 1: right in the middle of that. And you know, I
Speaker 1: was in Detroit, and we did radio in those days.
Speaker 1: And you know a lot of shows came out of
Speaker 1: Detroit at the Ford Theater and the Hermit's Cave, and
Speaker 1: we had a Saturday show was the same as Let's Pretend,
Speaker 1: and we covered anyway. I did a lot of radio stuff,
Speaker 1: so and I and I went to school and took
Speaker 1: more of the same. Television was just coming online in
Speaker 1: those days, so I was taking courses in television and
Speaker 1: radio communications.
Speaker 3: Let me ask a question real quick. Your radio I
Speaker 3: guess that was live radio performed. Oh, yeah, that's really
Speaker 3: interesting stuff. I love listening to the live things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. I worked my way through college as
Speaker 1: a radio announcer for w u o M, which was
Speaker 1: the university radio station at the University of Michigan and
Speaker 1: you know all of that. So I was into that.
Speaker 1: So when I got sick, I thought, well, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be able to make a living. I couldn't
Speaker 1: get out of bed for the most part, had to
Speaker 1: practically crawl from one room to the other. And so
Speaker 1: I got this call from a publisher and he said, ed,
Speaker 1: I understand you've been giving speeches on the United Nations
Speaker 1: and they're very well received. Would you like to write
Speaker 1: a book for us on that topic. We want to
Speaker 1: publish a book, and we think you could do it.
Speaker 1: And of course, at that time I had never written anything,
Speaker 1: and that was not my I did not identify as
Speaker 1: an author. I identified as a communicator on television or
Speaker 1: radio or something like that. And my dream was to
Speaker 1: go to Hollywood and become a great Hollywood producer in
Speaker 1: motion pictures. So when this guy called me and said,
Speaker 1: how would you like to write a book? That was
Speaker 1: the last thing I felt I was capable or interested
Speaker 1: in doing. But I thought instantly about hawwity. He's offering
Speaker 1: me some money, and here I am in bed. I
Speaker 1: can't do anything else to support my family, and we're
Speaker 1: running out of money. And so I found myself saying, oh,
Speaker 1: no problem, Yeah, sure I could do that.
Speaker 3: I'm in that kind of situation as well. You know,
Speaker 3: God puts us in a position where you got one
Speaker 3: way out and that's it something that you would have
Speaker 3: chosen to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I just use that as an example. So
Speaker 1: I took it on the commitment, and then I started
Speaker 1: to do my hard research. I had done a lot
Speaker 1: of it already, but I knew that in a book
Speaker 1: you had to document everything. It wasn't just you could say, well,
Speaker 1: I know this and I know that. So I did
Speaker 1: research at the last about probably two or three months of
Speaker 1: putting all the documents together, and then the day came
Speaker 1: when it was time to write. And it was kind
Speaker 1: of like looking at an old movie where you've everybody's
Speaker 1: seen those scenes where the author has to write something
Speaker 1: and he's on a typewriter and he types a few
Speaker 1: lines and he pulls the paper out, crushes it and
Speaker 1: throws it on the floor and that's no good, and
Speaker 1: then this is no good. I went through that in spades.
Speaker 3: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
Speaker 1: Right. So I was using a pencil. We didn't have
Speaker 1: computers in those days, and I couldn't type. So I
Speaker 1: was writing things out and I tear it up and
Speaker 1: throw it out just I couldn't how come I can't write.
Speaker 1: I can't write, Give me a microphone. So then there's
Speaker 1: the point and the end of this. So finally I said,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to write. Mary had a little lamb.
Speaker 1: I started to write things out, and the first thing,
Speaker 1: you know, I had this idea, I can't write this
Speaker 1: because how do you how do you approach a topic
Speaker 1: so huge as this was my book on the United Nations,
Speaker 1: my first book. It's called The Fearful Master A second
Speaker 1: look at the United Nations? So I wrote down, how
Speaker 1: can you write about something like this? It's like a
Speaker 1: huge globe made of glass, so large that you couldn't
Speaker 1: grasp it in its entirety, and you couldn't hold it.
Speaker 1: How do you write a book? It's like having to
Speaker 1: move a mountain? How do you move a mountain? And
Speaker 1: then I found myself writing, well, you dig and then
Speaker 1: this is my first spade, And I looked at it.
Speaker 1: I said, well, that's kind of clever, And the first
Speaker 1: thing I know, I extended that and the next few
Speaker 1: pages came pretty fast, and by the time I got
Speaker 1: to page seven, it was roaring along. I found out
Speaker 1: I wound up. I've looked in the in the wall
Speaker 1: at the wall, my gosh, I can write, and I'm
Speaker 1: having fun doing it. So I use that as an example.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be here talking to you today if I
Speaker 1: hadn't had this illness and that event that forced me
Speaker 1: forced me to make a right turn in my where
Speaker 1: I thought was my career path. And at that time
Speaker 1: I didn't think I was going to live anyway. But
Speaker 1: so it forced me to make a change that affected
Speaker 1: my whole life. I hoped for the better.
Speaker 3: That's a great story. We've had so many people when
Speaker 3: they lost they would face of the decision take the
Speaker 3: shot or lose your job. And I've looked as so
Speaker 3: many people who had that crisis, It's like, what do
Speaker 3: I do. I've trained all my life for this. I
Speaker 3: don't have any other alternative, but I'm not going to
Speaker 3: take that shot. And to a man that has been,
Speaker 3: a woman, that has been, every person I've talked to
Speaker 3: about that, it's been a wonderful turning point for them.
Speaker 3: And so I think your life lesson as well as
Speaker 3: a lot of other people. That's a real important life lesson.
Speaker 1: I think, well, there it is. And that's why I
Speaker 1: said it's in a way, I'm very normal because what
Speaker 1: I just said, although it's dramatic, for me, it was dramatic.
Speaker 1: Everybody goes through those crises. I think maybe they don't
Speaker 1: think about it as having made a big change. And
Speaker 1: I suppose not every change in the direction is that dramatic,
Speaker 1: but most of them, or many of them are the
Speaker 1: important ones are. So with that as a background, I
Speaker 1: started off in one direction. All of a sudden, I'm writing,
Speaker 1: and I decided I wanted to go off on my own.
Speaker 1: I decided I wanted to do I wanted to reach
Speaker 1: out to a lot of people, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: use my skills that I had acquired in communications. So
Speaker 1: I decided to produce some very low budget documentary films
Speaker 1: on important issues. And the first, the first attempt, was
Speaker 1: to write something on a documentary film on money and inflation.
Speaker 1: And then of course that led me blankly to the
Speaker 1: topic of the Federal Reserve system. And I'm off and
Speaker 1: running now, and I had no idea how much voltage
Speaker 1: was in the wire that I was about to grab
Speaker 1: hold of. On that one if I had, if I
Speaker 1: had even an inkling of how deep that topic goes,
Speaker 1: and how broad it is, how many things it covers,
Speaker 1: and how profound, profoundly important it is to our lives,
Speaker 1: our liberty, our lifestyle, everything, I would never have tackled
Speaker 1: it because it was far beyond my reach. I'm the
Speaker 1: last person in the world to write about things like that.
Speaker 1: I'm a kid that was a child actor.
Speaker 3: You know, Well, that makes a question, how did you
Speaker 3: you're working with the before he started writing, and before
Speaker 3: you wrote that book on the UN, you were also
Speaker 3: lecturing about UN and other things like that. How did
Speaker 3: you get into working for the John Bird Society or
Speaker 3: how did you begin to be skeptical about what the
Speaker 3: UN's purposes and agenda were.
Speaker 1: Well, that's another story, similar to the one I just mentioned.
Speaker 1: I was working for a large corporation. I was in
Speaker 1: the corporate world. I had found out the hard way
Speaker 1: that Hollywood wasn't waiting for me. I had gone there
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, wanted to make my splash.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get a job with some production company,
Speaker 1: and I was looking for the grand opening and it
Speaker 1: wasn't happening. And I looked around realistically, and I saw
Speaker 1: that all these young people there, the guys and gals,
Speaker 1: had talent superior to mine, really, and they were busting
Speaker 1: tables and washing cars, waiting for the big chance in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: And then I began to get a sense of the
Speaker 1: corruption that is in Hollywood and the lifestyle and all
Speaker 1: of the evil things that were there that I didn't
Speaker 1: like at all. And it became clear that if you,
Speaker 1: if you didn't tolerate those things, or if you didn't
Speaker 1: participate in those things, your chances of getting that big
Speaker 1: break were pretty small. So I quit all that and
Speaker 1: I went to work for a large insurance company and
Speaker 1: I got a job in an underwriting department of preparing
Speaker 1: group insurance plans for corporations and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So that's what I was doing when I decided to
Speaker 1: start speaking out on topics. And the reason I made
Speaker 1: that change is that I don't know who it was,
Speaker 1: but somebody handed me or sent me a little blue
Speaker 1: pamphlet called The Truth about the United Nations. I think
Speaker 1: that was the title. I thought, the United Nations. Well,
Speaker 1: I'd gone to school, I've been to the university. I
Speaker 1: knew all about the United Nations. It was wonderful. It
Speaker 1: was our last best hope for peace, they told me,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was true, and so I was
Speaker 1: very much in favor of the UN and as a
Speaker 1: means of avoiding war.
Speaker 3: And about what year was that.
Speaker 1: That was nineteen sixty, maybe nineteen fifty nine, Probably that
Speaker 1: pamphlet was in nineteen fifty nine. Anyway, So I read
Speaker 1: the pamphlet and I was incensed by it. I thought, well,
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. I know better, but it started. The
Speaker 1: things it said were hard for me to believe that
Speaker 1: these people were lying. That's how naive, you know, you
Speaker 1: come out of school. How naive can you be to
Speaker 1: think that your teachers would be lying, or the people
Speaker 1: who would write books might even be lying.
Speaker 3: It's hard for us to believe that about other people.
Speaker 3: We want to believe the best of them, and we
Speaker 3: want to think that they're like us, you know, And
Speaker 3: so we always overestimate their morals, and we underestimate their technology,
Speaker 3: don't we.
Speaker 1: We certainly do, yeah, And of course we're trained to
Speaker 1: do that. I went to the public school system, and
Speaker 1: that was I found out later one of its primary
Speaker 1: objectives is to create that attitude in the minds of
Speaker 1: the students, so they had succeeded, and I found it.
Speaker 1: I was very highly indignant over this pamphlet written by
Speaker 1: college professor No less, you'd expect he would know better, right,
Speaker 1: So anyway, one day I went down to the library
Speaker 1: in downtown Los Angeles. There was only a few blocks
Speaker 1: from where our corporate office was, and I had some
Speaker 1: time in my hands that day, so I decided to
Speaker 1: just drop into the library. I never thought i'd go
Speaker 1: into a library again after I got out of school,
Speaker 1: because I thought that was where you punish people for
Speaker 1: doing bad things. And but any way, I went into
Speaker 1: the International department. I wanted to check out a few
Speaker 1: books on the topic of the United Nations and in
Speaker 1: particular these wars, these peacekeeping operations as they called them,
Speaker 1: and to see if I could learn more about it
Speaker 1: and prove that this college professor had it, you know,
Speaker 1: was wrong. So I checked out a few books, and
Speaker 1: even though they were all written from the friendly perspective,
Speaker 1: they were all friends of the UN. Many of them
Speaker 1: were either employees or former employees, or they had positions
Speaker 1: professional positions which depended on their being friendly. A lot
Speaker 1: of some of them were academics and academics, I discovered
Speaker 1: would never dare go against the UN anyway. So I
Speaker 1: read those books and I recognized that they were biased
Speaker 1: and so was That was the beginning of it reading
Speaker 1: their own works, and some of them were quite frank
Speaker 1: by the way I learned about the war and Katanga
Speaker 1: Patrici lu Mumba. The War one Katanga and affric was
Speaker 1: really an eye opener for me. In fact, that's how
Speaker 1: I opened my book on the United Nations. It was
Speaker 1: with that section on what happened Katanga. Basically what happened
Speaker 1: is that there was a communist revolution in the Congo
Speaker 1: with Katanga Province of the Congo, and the so called
Speaker 1: colonial powers just left. They there was betrayal I think
Speaker 1: at the highest levels in the government. I think it
Speaker 1: was Belgium, and they just withdrew their troops and all
Speaker 1: their law enforcement facilities and just gave the Congo over
Speaker 1: to the communist revolutionaries. And that was hard to believe,
Speaker 1: but there was an evidence. And so when the troops
Speaker 1: went out, there was mass slaughter going on and it
Speaker 1: looked like it might be racial, but it was not.
Speaker 1: It was economic. It was getting the colonialists out. That
Speaker 1: was the word they use the capitalist the capitalists out
Speaker 1: and get the socialist in power again. So Congo went
Speaker 1: into total chaos. Blood blood all over the place, and
Speaker 1: production stopped, the economy crash, people were starving, people were
Speaker 1: robbing each other. It was total chaos. I fear we're
Speaker 1: in America going to get somewhat like see some of
Speaker 1: that ourselves when we make that step toward total collectivism
Speaker 1: or socialism. Anyway, that's what happened, and so the UN
Speaker 1: came long A said well, look at this chaos. We've
Speaker 1: got to put put an end to that. And they
Speaker 1: were said, yes, yes, that's what you're for. And we're
Speaker 1: the peacekeepers, right, yes, okay. Well the peacekeepers went in
Speaker 1: and there were multiple provinces in the Congo and they
Speaker 1: were all in total blood drenched chaos except one. The
Speaker 1: one shining exception was Katanga was headed by Moischambai and
Speaker 1: Moischambie had been to some universities in London and had
Speaker 1: come to America, and he understood the principles of free
Speaker 1: enterprise capitalism and he was standing firm and and his
Speaker 1: his province was like it had always been, and chaos
Speaker 1: was all around them. So where did the UN send
Speaker 1: the peacekeepers there there. It didn't it didn't send them
Speaker 1: any place else where the chaos was. They sent them
Speaker 1: where the chaos was not, and they literally overthrew the
Speaker 1: Katanga province and put into chaos also. And well, when
Speaker 1: I saw that, it documented so clearly, and in many
Speaker 1: cases by the employees and officers of the u N itself,
Speaker 1: uh where they bragged about doing that in their own words.
Speaker 1: When I saw that, that changed my life, because it
Speaker 1: was a red pill, you might say that I saw
Speaker 1: life the way it really was. And in one book
Speaker 1: by the the I think it was an Irish general
Speaker 1: from Ireland. I can't believe his name anyway, the Big
Speaker 1: Thing book, how wonderful he was in the Congo doing
Speaker 1: all these things on behalf of international cooperation and peace
Speaker 1: and so forth. And he's time and again said well,
Speaker 1: you know, when this issue came up, we lied in
Speaker 1: the press conferences as all bureaucrats do, and he was
Speaker 1: sort of like, well that's the way it is, folks.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're reading my book now you know how
Speaker 1: it works. So Connor O'Brien that was his name, General O'Brien,
Speaker 1: and I realized that these people actually boast about some
Speaker 1: of the crimes they commit. And that was my changing
Speaker 1: point right there. And so my first interest was the
Speaker 1: United Nations, and I did some research on it. I
Speaker 1: took that pamphlet that I talked about a moment ago,
Speaker 1: and then my own independent research and added to it,
Speaker 1: and that's what became the basis for my book, The
Speaker 1: Fearful Master.
Speaker 3: That's great. Yah, wonderful title as well.
Speaker 1: You talked about from that comes from a quotation attributed
Speaker 1: to George Washington. I could never find an official source
Speaker 1: for it, but everybody seemed to agree that it came
Speaker 1: from him, and he said, government is not Let's see
Speaker 1: if I get this straight. Government is not wisdom. It
Speaker 1: is not benevolence. It is force like fire. It is
Speaker 1: a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
Speaker 3: That's great. Yeah, whoever wrote that? If Washington? Yeah, they
Speaker 3: nailed it. So it's absolutely true. Now, you were with
Speaker 3: the John Bird Society. You were talking about how they
Speaker 3: like to paint portray butchers as crazy, and I guess
Speaker 3: a big part of that. I think a big part
Speaker 3: of that war against the John Birch Society was coming
Speaker 3: from William F. Buckley talk a little bit about that,
Speaker 3: or was he the point man publicly or was there
Speaker 3: you know, other things that were happening.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think Buckley was appointment, And oh that's
Speaker 1: an interesting observation. Buckley did come out publicly against the
Speaker 1: Birch Society, and the militant left left wingers attacked the
Speaker 1: Birch Society vehemently. They called it, you know, fascist, Nazis, extremists,
Speaker 1: anti Semites, wackos, you know, in any of those things,
Speaker 1: and they just kept repeating it and repeating it, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people believed it because they read about
Speaker 1: it in their newspaper. And of course it was none
Speaker 1: of those things. But that didn't make any difference. The
Speaker 1: perception is the important thing. But Buckley was not from
Speaker 1: the radical left. There were a few people like Buckley
Speaker 1: that also jumped on the bandwagon from what people considered
Speaker 1: to be the right wing. Of course, we could talk
Speaker 1: about the impropriety of thinking there's a difference between right
Speaker 1: and left later, but I learned that the hard way too,
Speaker 1: that the right wing and the left wing are merely
Speaker 1: two two wings on the same ugly bird called collectivism.
Speaker 1: That's right, anyway, That was I hadn't learned that yet.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Buckley was one of those guys who was,
Speaker 1: you know, associated with the so called right wing, but
Speaker 1: they believed pretty much the same thing, and they were
Speaker 1: they would attack any serious challenge to collectivism, which is
Speaker 1: what they believed in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a big establishment. I remember I was thinking
Speaker 3: that I was trying to get polar opposite you. I'd
Speaker 3: read National Review and I'd read The Nation when I
Speaker 3: was in college. I'd read these and kind of try
Speaker 3: to figure out what was going on. I didn't want
Speaker 3: to read time in newsweeks. I wanted to get these
Speaker 3: opposing views and everything. But then I eventually found out
Speaker 3: they were also very much alike in many ways. Was
Speaker 3: extreme that I wasn't, you know, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the what's the supposing business business? Yeah, people,
Speaker 1: people have to learn that lesson. Yet they still think,
Speaker 1: especially as we are living right now through a period
Speaker 1: of great political intensity, they really think that the political
Speaker 1: parties are going to be their salvation. It's just a
Speaker 1: question who are you going to vote for?
Speaker 3: And it is the most important election of our lifetime.
Speaker 3: You've had a lot of those most important elections of
Speaker 3: your lifetime, haven't you.
Speaker 1: You've probably heard that every one of them is the
Speaker 1: last chance to do it.
Speaker 3: It's right, You're going to be the end of the
Speaker 3: world if we don't get this right. Yeah, yeah, we've
Speaker 3: heard that so many times. Well, so you start out
Speaker 3: with the un and you're working with JBS, and how
Speaker 3: did you get over to the Federal Reserve? How did
Speaker 3: you move over this?
Speaker 1: I decided I had to produce some little documentaries or
Speaker 1: documentary films as we call them today. But back in
Speaker 1: those days, unless you had big bucks, in which we didn't,
Speaker 1: you used film strips, film strip projectors, and it was
Speaker 1: a projector where you rule a little roll of thirty
Speaker 1: five milimeter film with just still pictures on them one
Speaker 1: you know, I think we had ninety eight pictures or so,
Speaker 1: and you click them one time and projects up on
Speaker 1: the screen. You play this soundtrack on like an LP
Speaker 1: recording on a phonograph machine, and when it's time to
Speaker 1: change the picture, there's a beep that comes onto the
Speaker 1: sound the operator turns the picture and then narration continues
Speaker 1: and then there's it's like a PowerPoint presentation with the beeps.
Speaker 1: And so that's what we did in those days. And
Speaker 1: I did, Oh, I don't know nine or ten of them,
Speaker 1: and I decided I wanted to do one on inflation
Speaker 1: and the money supply. I didn't know much about it,
Speaker 1: but I knew that there was something fishy going on
Speaker 1: because everybody was accusing the other guy of being responsible
Speaker 1: for inflation. Everybody accused the farmers they were getting too
Speaker 1: much for their food, and the farmers that we're starving.
Speaker 1: We have to eat their own food to just stay alive,
Speaker 1: but we don't make any money. It's the distributors that
Speaker 1: take all the money and distributes. It's not us. It's
Speaker 1: the truckers and the truckers, it's not us. It's the
Speaker 1: grocery stores. It's not us. It's the labor unions and
Speaker 1: so forth. And they're all everybody's pointing to somebody else
Speaker 1: is the cause. And they were all correct in a
Speaker 1: sense that it was not them, but they didn't know
Speaker 1: who it was, that hidden element that nobody had looked at,
Speaker 1: and so I was curious about that. So I started
Speaker 1: to do research on inflation. And of course that leads
Speaker 1: directly to the engine of inflation, and that's the Federal
Speaker 1: reserve system, because that's the power that creates money out
Speaker 1: of debt, and they can just create as much money
Speaker 1: as people are willing to borrow into existence, and it's
Speaker 1: not their money. They just created out of nothing or
Speaker 1: worse than nothing, ont of debt. So the money supply
Speaker 1: expands much faster than goods and services expand, and therefore
Speaker 1: the relative prices for those goods and services in terms
Speaker 1: of the expanded source of the money goes up. It's
Speaker 1: just a very simple formula. A high school kid that
Speaker 1: knows anything about math can figure it out. But the
Speaker 1: American people still don't understand it pretty much because it's
Speaker 1: it's deliberately compounded and made it look very complicated, and
Speaker 1: it's not. So I got into that and I created
Speaker 1: a couple of banker boxes full of research on it,
Speaker 1: and I was ready to go. But then I, hey,
Speaker 1: is this topic is getting too big for me? And
Speaker 1: meanwhile I had to get on and produce some faster
Speaker 1: film strips because I have to put groceries on the table, right.
Speaker 1: So I put the banker boxes in my closet for now.
Speaker 1: And then one day I got a call from a
Speaker 1: little old lady in tennis shoes from Pasadena. We've heard
Speaker 1: about those ladies. This was the real one. And she
Speaker 1: was a widow and she would obviously had some money
Speaker 1: because she lived in a big house in Pasady and
Speaker 1: her husband passed away, of course, and had this car
Speaker 1: in the garage. Was probably about twelve fifteen years old,
Speaker 1: but I think it had like eight hundred miles on
Speaker 1: it as read. Well, that's a little side story. But
Speaker 1: she was a wonderful lady. And she had a monthly
Speaker 1: class that she was or meeting in her home on taxes,
Speaker 1: and she'd heard that I was giving speeches and showing
Speaker 1: film strips and so forth. So she called me and
Speaker 1: asked me if I would give a speech to her
Speaker 1: group on the weekend on taxes. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know much about taxes except that they're too high.
Speaker 1: And I'm again, what else can you say that's taxes are?
Speaker 1: But I might be able to talk to your group
Speaker 1: about a hidden tax. Would that be of interest to you?
Speaker 1: And she said a hidden tax? What is that? And
Speaker 1: in my supreme wisdom, I said, well, I guess are
Speaker 1: just going to have to retain my services so I
Speaker 1: can tell you what. And she laughed, she said, you
Speaker 1: got me. She said, let's do it, so all right,
Speaker 1: I committed to do a presentation on the Federal Reserve
Speaker 1: as the hidden tax, and that forced me to open
Speaker 1: up my banker boxes and go through the stuff again.
Speaker 1: And the second time through, I was amazed at what
Speaker 1: I picked up that I didn't catch the first time through.
Speaker 1: And I became electrified by how really important this was,
Speaker 1: how many areas in our lives it reached that I
Speaker 1: hadn't really focused on. So I got excited about it,
Speaker 1: and I spent some time putting together an outline. I
Speaker 1: gave the presentation and it was very well received. I
Speaker 1: was happy to see, and some people approached me afterwards
Speaker 1: there and they said that was good. You ought to
Speaker 1: put that on the road. Well, you don't do that
Speaker 1: to a child actor. He said, I'll put it on
Speaker 1: the road, which I did. I ramped it, got it
Speaker 1: all well organized, and I called it the Crash Course
Speaker 1: on Money. It was a one day seminar. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, I could probably sell tickets to this if
Speaker 1: I was smart enough, and so I tried that, and
Speaker 1: by golly, it worked, and I was selling tickets and travel.
Speaker 1: I'll put it on the road. I was going from
Speaker 1: town to town to town. This time, I'm not doing
Speaker 1: what I did in the old days. I was taking
Speaker 1: care of myself, and so we did that crash course
Speaker 1: on money. And then I'm probably giving you more information
Speaker 1: than you want, but this is what happened. At the
Speaker 1: end of I think it was probably about the ninth
Speaker 1: or tenth seminar. At the end of the meeting, I
Speaker 1: was approached by another little old lady and she said,
Speaker 1: mister Griffin. And that was always a shock to me
Speaker 1: because here she's an elderly lady and I'm still in
Speaker 1: my twenties, late twenties or early and in my thirties.
Speaker 1: I guess she's calling me mister Griffin. I've always got
Speaker 1: to kick out of that, she said. After what I've
Speaker 1: learned from you today, she said, I'm really concerned about
Speaker 1: what I should do with what limited resources I have.
Speaker 1: My husband passed away and he left a small stipend
Speaker 1: and insurance, and we can get along. We have a
Speaker 1: small investment in a small apartment building or two apartments,
Speaker 1: I think, she said. But we're in debt. Should I
Speaker 1: get out of debt? Should I take what we have
Speaker 1: in assets and put it in gold and silver, or
Speaker 1: should I What should I do with my assets, and
Speaker 1: it hit me r at that moment what a fraud
Speaker 1: I was because I did not know the answer to
Speaker 1: that question. I knew what the Federal Reserve was doing.
Speaker 1: I knew how they created money out of debt. I
Speaker 1: knew the impact it had on the purchasing power of money.
Speaker 1: I knew all those things, a lot of them, not all,
Speaker 1: but I was a learning still in those days. But
Speaker 1: to answer the question of what she should do to
Speaker 1: avoid the consequences of that, I had no idea I
Speaker 1: was a fraud and she was expecting me to know.
Speaker 1: So I stopped doing the webinar the seminars, I should say,
Speaker 1: and I enrolled in the College for Financial Planning, which
Speaker 1: was a course done by a Chicago outfit as an
Speaker 1: educational group. It was like a CFP designation and it
Speaker 1: normally takes a couple of years to get it, so
Speaker 1: I enrolled in it. It was all by correspondence, and
Speaker 1: then you have to go to a physical location and
Speaker 1: take the exam that's an all day exam and so forth.
Speaker 1: So I did that and I got my CFP designation
Speaker 1: as a financial advisor. Not because I wanted to do that.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know how to answer this woman's question,
Speaker 1: how do you protect your assets under these conditions? So
Speaker 1: that's what I did, and then I came out of
Speaker 1: that with another realization which I never would have had
Speaker 1: had I not been taking that course, and that is
Speaker 1: that these people were teaching bunk. I was learning bunk. Now.
Speaker 1: They were teaching how to invest in markets that is
Speaker 1: in the best interest of the financial planners, not in
Speaker 1: the best interest of the investors. And that was really
Speaker 1: what it was all about. And of course they always
Speaker 1: said it was for the group, for the best investment
Speaker 1: for the I'll get this straight. Yet it's always best
Speaker 1: for the investor himself. But it was always an investment
Speaker 1: that paid a commission to the person that recommended it
Speaker 1: or something, and none of it really took into account
Speaker 1: that the value of the money was constantly being depreciated.
Speaker 1: They didn't really understand in inflation. Or they said, well,
Speaker 1: this has a better interest rate and therefore better for
Speaker 1: it to fight inflation, But they never talked about inflation
Speaker 1: itself and what the long term consequences might be over
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty years for you who do everything they recommend,
Speaker 1: But still in twenty or thirty years you have zero
Speaker 1: because the dollar is zero and things like that. So
Speaker 1: that's when I decided, hey, somebody ought to write a
Speaker 1: book on this. I looked around and there were books
Speaker 1: on the topic, but they were all kind of written
Speaker 1: from the point of view of somebody who wanted to
Speaker 1: go into banking, they wanted to be a banker. The
Speaker 1: book was there on the Federal Reserve, how to use
Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve, how it works, and the terminology, and
Speaker 1: it was all good, but it didn't The books didn't
Speaker 1: help the average person at all understand the fraud that
Speaker 1: was built into the banking system.
Speaker 3: And not even the bank anchors. I had a friend
Speaker 3: of ours and I would make remarks from signing time
Speaker 3: to time about the Federal Reserve, and and we got
Speaker 3: together and he had his brother who was a branch
Speaker 3: manager at a bank. And he says, whatever his name was,
Speaker 3: I don't know, Fred or something. I met him once
Speaker 3: and that was it. But he said, Fred, you know,
Speaker 3: Dave's got a lot of issues with Federal Reserve. He said,
Speaker 3: tell him about the Federal Reserve because they just cash checks,
Speaker 3: they just processed checks. That's that's your that's your understanding
Speaker 3: of this. So yeah, it's that was one of the
Speaker 3: one of the most clueless people I've ever seen in
Speaker 3: terms of finish. I mean, he wasn't even aware of
Speaker 3: the impact of you know, uh, setting interest rates even
Speaker 3: for example, you know, none of it.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to understand that to make a killing
Speaker 1: in the banking that's right, you have to doly just
Speaker 1: know how to cash checks and move the money around.
Speaker 1: That's right, collect interest that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's absolutely So.
Speaker 1: That's how it all started. And so, as I said earlier,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a boring story because it's the
Speaker 1: same thing over and over again, that you'd stumble into
Speaker 1: things that you had no idea where you're headed. And
Speaker 1: if I had had any sense, literally any common sense,
Speaker 1: knowing what I know now, I would never have tackled
Speaker 1: it because it was it was so much over my understanding,
Speaker 1: over my head. I didn't know any of this. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a good thing I didn't know, because I've talked
Speaker 1: to bankers since then, and especially when I get in
Speaker 1: the topic of cancer and things like that. I have
Speaker 1: no medical background. I'm writing a book on cancer therapy
Speaker 1: and so forth, and I've had people tell me, like
Speaker 1: doctors in particular, say ed you had an advantage that
Speaker 1: we didn't have. What what do you mean an advantage?
Speaker 1: How could that be? You went to school, that's the
Speaker 1: advantage we had. We had to unlearn. All you had
Speaker 1: to do was learn. We had to unlearn first. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because when you go through the institutions and they teach
Speaker 1: you these things, you believe, you become a true believer
Speaker 1: these people.
Speaker 3: Before we leave the financial stuff, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: we've got a lot of people looking at what is
Speaker 3: happening now. It looks like, you know, they've been kicking
Speaker 3: this can down the road for a long time. Looks
Speaker 3: like we're getting towards the end of the rope. They've
Speaker 3: openly talked about how they want to re engineer the
Speaker 3: entire financial system. CBDC is on the horizon and all
Speaker 3: the rest of this stuff. You know, what, in general
Speaker 3: is your advice to people? I know you're not a
Speaker 3: financial advisor financial advice, but just in general, in terms
Speaker 3: of preparing for what is coming, what would you say
Speaker 3: to people?
Speaker 1: I guess it depends on to whom I'm talking because
Speaker 1: for many people, if you tell them really what's happening,
Speaker 1: it's so beyond their world of understanding that they can't
Speaker 1: they cannot believe it, or if they believe it, they
Speaker 1: don't understand it, so you're wasting your time. You have
Speaker 1: to get depend on who you're talking to. But I
Speaker 1: guess the simplest way to explain it is to be
Speaker 1: totally honest, but to not be dramatic about it. So
Speaker 1: let's see if I can put that together.
Speaker 3: Some pretty dramatic stuff, get you it up, and then.
Speaker 1: Not being too dramatic. What is happening In my view,
Speaker 1: it is that the old system of money is coming
Speaker 1: to an end. And that's an important fact to know
Speaker 1: because up until now all you had to know is, well,
Speaker 1: what has always worked? You know, like should we should
Speaker 1: we invest in gold or silver or something in coins?
Speaker 1: And there could be arguments pro and con but the most,
Speaker 1: the most overwriting argument was it's always worked, no matter
Speaker 1: when you look in history, no matter what the problem was,
Speaker 1: those that had gold and silver always came out on top.
Speaker 1: So it's always worked. That way is a really powerful item.
Speaker 1: But now it isn't in my view, because the system
Speaker 1: itself is changing, where to the point where money will
Speaker 1: no longer even exist in the way that we think
Speaker 1: of it money. The essence of money in order for
Speaker 1: it to have any use to us is that we
Speaker 1: have to own it. It's got to be our money.
Speaker 1: It's not somebody else's money, because if it's somebody else's money,
Speaker 1: they can just take it back and well, we don't
Speaker 1: have it. And this is what's changing, is the fact
Speaker 1: that and most people don't see this at all. They think, well,
Speaker 1: no matter what they come up with, it will be
Speaker 1: just like it always has been. No. No, Because there's cbcds,
Speaker 1: the central Bank digital currencies that all of the nations
Speaker 1: now are committed to adopting in the very near future,
Speaker 1: the next decade for sure, possibly starting in the next
Speaker 1: year or two. That quality of private ownership is gone.
Speaker 1: That those tokens or whatever they call them, the digital currencies,
Speaker 1: they'll have different names, whatever the name is, they will
Speaker 1: be owned by the banks, and they'll be allocated to
Speaker 1: you and me and everybody else to use as long
Speaker 1: as we have a good social credit, which means as
Speaker 1: long as we behave according to what they think we should.
Speaker 3: You and I are going to be pretty poorly and.
Speaker 1: We're going to be out on the street. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: on the curb with a tin cup asking somebody to
Speaker 1: put a coin into the tin cup. But there'll be
Speaker 1: no coins. There are no coins anymore. They're just digital
Speaker 1: impulses in the computer. So forget the cup and people
Speaker 1: can understand that we're actually approaching a change in the
Speaker 1: entire system. So the rules of what you do are different. Now.
Speaker 1: I would say, normally, without this upcoming CBCDS that we
Speaker 1: should have a nice stockpile in gold and silver, and
Speaker 1: I still say that, by the way, I have not
Speaker 1: as nice as stockpilet as I would like, but I
Speaker 1: have some shekels put away in gold and silver and
Speaker 1: in food and other physical tangibles, other assets that people
Speaker 1: will need and you could use as barter. But in
Speaker 1: terms of how you come out of it okay and
Speaker 1: still maintain your lifestyle, it's a different game. And the
Speaker 1: chances are we're not going to come out of it
Speaker 1: anywhere close to how we went into it, and we
Speaker 1: have to be prepared for that reality. Nobody wants to
Speaker 1: hear that.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think what we're going to get is a
Speaker 3: heavy dose of reality. You know, it's going to be skills,
Speaker 3: and it's going to be commodities and things like that
Speaker 3: that are going to be negotiable, and you know it's
Speaker 3: going to be really it is going to be a reset.
Speaker 3: And then the question is how do we how do
Speaker 3: we cope with that? I think, you know, in terms
Speaker 3: of people talking about a parallel society, Americans have not
Speaker 3: really had any experience like people in third world countries
Speaker 3: have in terms of operating black markets and things like that.
Speaker 3: But I guess we'll learn pretty quickly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, even the black market has a problem with
Speaker 1: it because in order for a black market to work,
Speaker 1: you have to have money that you own, you still have.
Speaker 1: You go into the black market and you have money
Speaker 1: that you can give to somebody who's going to give
Speaker 1: you something. Or barter is the only thing border left,
Speaker 1: and that only works in your local community among people
Speaker 1: you know and trust. So it's it doesn't allow you
Speaker 1: to put gas in your car, It doesn't allow you
Speaker 1: to pay your rent, or to buy clothes in the
Speaker 1: big store, the big box stores or anything like that.
Speaker 1: If we don't turn this around and prevent it, we're
Speaker 1: going to be very much like little children who are
Speaker 1: completely dependent on the state for everything, and that includes food, shelter, healthcare, clothing, everything,
Speaker 1: and under those conditions, most people will buckle and they'll
Speaker 1: be like slaves in Egypt.
Speaker 3: That's right. The thing that concerns me is that this
Speaker 3: is all based on surveillance, that is their overriding desire
Speaker 3: to know everything about us. And what concerns me about
Speaker 3: it is how apathetic so many people in our society
Speaker 3: are about privacy and about surveillance and about free speech.
Speaker 3: And you got people across the political spectrum, all these
Speaker 3: people that are so eager about the the election, and
Speaker 3: you see both of these candidates talking about how they've
Speaker 3: got to shut people down that disagree with them. And
Speaker 3: because of that, people downstream from them are also buying
Speaker 3: into this kind of censorship stuff. And I think if
Speaker 3: we could develop and get back a respect for free
Speaker 3: speech and for privacy and things like that, that really
Speaker 3: has to be fundamental as a guard against some of
Speaker 3: this stuff, because that really is the essence of how
Speaker 3: their controls are going to run out against us.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, you're aflutely correct, and only
Speaker 1: which we have to be dealing with ideas and ideas.
Speaker 1: That's the basis of our war. This is a war
Speaker 1: of ideas. I mean, yes, they have these powerful weapons
Speaker 1: that frighten us and can be used to eliminate us,
Speaker 1: and that's the ultimate weapon, of course. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: they're conquering us not with weapons. They're conquering us with
Speaker 1: fear of weapons. And that fear of weapons makes us
Speaker 1: very compliant. And of course if they didn't have the weapons,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be afraid of them, that is true, but
Speaker 1: they could pretend like they have the weapons. And that's
Speaker 1: often what has happened in the past is you probably
Speaker 1: know in Russia, particularly in the Soviet Union, they would
Speaker 1: parade these huge missiles in the street on trucks. You know,
Speaker 1: they were like eighty feet long, and these huge missiles
Speaker 1: like we send to the moon now we're supposedly send
Speaker 1: to I don't know what to think about that one.
Speaker 1: But those weren't really missiles at all. I'm told that
Speaker 1: they were just you know, made of wood and painted
Speaker 1: up and so forth. But Americans, ah, look, they got
Speaker 1: missiles too, And there was the fear of missiles, not
Speaker 1: the missiles themselves, that caused us to not confront the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union and try and make friends with them and
Speaker 1: abandon our own interests and so forth.
Speaker 3: So the can parade, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. This is new and I guess that's
Speaker 1: my message that the old answers to that question are
Speaker 1: not reliable anymore. But that still doesn't mean you shouldn't
Speaker 1: give them up. I mean you shouldn't use them. I
Speaker 1: should say because I think that even though even though
Speaker 1: we didn't don't have money because we're not obedient enough
Speaker 1: and they cut us down, and we did have coins,
Speaker 1: we could probably find somebody whould take silver coins if
Speaker 1: they're small denomination, and gold coins in return for food
Speaker 1: or something that they have a little surplus on in
Speaker 1: their homes. But this is not living, This is not surviving.
Speaker 1: This is slavery.
Speaker 3: And I think, though, if we fall back on the
Speaker 3: fact that what's going to get us through this one
Speaker 3: way or the other is going to be the ideas,
Speaker 3: it's going to be the principles on which we base
Speaker 3: our life. I think people who have relationship with Christ
Speaker 3: are going to have a foundation that's going to carry
Speaker 3: them through this stuff. And it's going to be very
Speaker 3: difficult if you don't have something like that, you are
Speaker 3: going to if you don't have any The sand is
Speaker 3: going to be shifting, the earth is going to be quaking,
Speaker 3: and if there isn't some foundation that is rock solid
Speaker 3: in your life, and if they've got you, afraid they've
Speaker 3: got you. And that's what we saw four years ago.
Speaker 3: That was really a panic and fear. But that brings
Speaker 3: me to the medical stuff, because I don't want to
Speaker 3: finish the interview without having you talk about the book
Speaker 3: World Without Cancer. I think this is really a time
Speaker 3: for people's eyes to be open to this because prior
Speaker 3: to what happened in twenty twenty, a lot of people
Speaker 3: were taken in by the white coats. Remember when they
Speaker 3: first started this thing, you had a public health person
Speaker 3: come out. I played that clip over and over again,
Speaker 3: comes out to the podium. But before the person who's
Speaker 3: going to speak comes out of the podium, they had
Speaker 3: six people come out, three on each side, all them
Speaker 3: in white coats, and they march out in a line
Speaker 3: and three of them stand on one side of the
Speaker 3: podium and three of them So look at this. That
Speaker 3: just putting this in your face, like we got white
Speaker 3: lab coats where medical and we have authority, so listen
Speaker 3: to us. And I think people have seen that now
Speaker 3: as a fraud, and they have seen the self interest
Speaker 3: in all of this stuff, so they're open to questioning
Speaker 3: the authorities on this. And I'm sure you know you
Speaker 3: must have quite a story behind A World Without Cancer,
Speaker 3: because I know they came after Leatrill and B seventeen
Speaker 3: and Migdalena in a very very heavy way. I didn't
Speaker 3: realize that you had written this book until I interviewed
Speaker 3: John Richardson at RNC store dot com and when he
Speaker 3: was talking about the books that they have there, about
Speaker 3: your book especially. That's one of the main reasons I
Speaker 3: wanted to get you on because this is so key
Speaker 3: and it is a time that people are ripe to
Speaker 3: hear this message. Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: How you got into it?
Speaker 1: Well, there you go again. How did I get into it? Well,
Speaker 1: John Richardson, senior Doctor Richardson and I were very close
Speaker 1: friends that we had both worked together on projects in
Speaker 1: the in the Birch Society and he he put up
Speaker 1: some money to open up a little bookstore in the
Speaker 1: San Francisco area, and that's why I got involved with
Speaker 1: because I was with the Birch Society in those days.
Speaker 1: But we soon developed a personal friendship that went well
Speaker 1: beyond that, and it got to the point where after
Speaker 1: a while we want to get away from the rootree
Speaker 1: the regular routine of our daily lives, and we'd like
Speaker 1: to get away from town, go out in the countryside
Speaker 1: and tell people we're going fishing or something like that.
Speaker 1: But we just go out and talk and do some
Speaker 1: hiking in the hills. And one day we're out doing
Speaker 1: that and and doctor John says to me, I need
Speaker 1: your help. I need your he had he took his
Speaker 1: briefcase with him on that trip. I thought was strange,
Speaker 1: and he opened up this. He opened up his briefcase
Speaker 1: and pulled out some papers and fumbled through them. He said,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to write an article for the local newspaper
Speaker 1: or magazine and I need your help writing. Could you
Speaker 1: help me? I said, well, sure, of course, that's what
Speaker 1: I do. You're you're the doctor. If I get sick,
Speaker 1: you help me. I'm the writer. And if you're silly
Speaker 1: enough to ask me to help you with the writing.
Speaker 1: And so he said, Well, I asked him. I said,
Speaker 1: what is it. I said, well, I'm in trouble with
Speaker 1: the local medical association. They're threatening to take away my license.
Speaker 1: I said, what did you do? You know, like the
Speaker 1: typical what did you do wrong? Yeah, well, this is
Speaker 1: what I'm doing wrong. Is I'm saving lives. Oh, this was?
Speaker 1: This was.
Speaker 3: Now we've seen that story over and over again. People
Speaker 3: are ready to hear this and understand what's behind it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, what do you mean? So naturally he
Speaker 1: told me the story he says. He said, I'm an eye,
Speaker 1: ear nose, and throat specialist, as you know, but I've
Speaker 1: been getting people with cancer throughout their body systemic and
Speaker 1: they want me to treat them because they hear that
Speaker 1: I've got something that works. And I said, well do
Speaker 1: you He said, yeah, I do. Well tell me about it.
Speaker 1: So that's how the start the whole thing started. He said, Well,
Speaker 1: I found out there's a substance that's found in nature
Speaker 1: that I didn't believe in at first, but my office
Speaker 1: manager convinced me to look into it. So I did.
Speaker 1: This is a substance as accurs in nature, and if
Speaker 1: you eat it, it turns out to be a natural
Speaker 1: control or prevention, a natural resistance against cancer. I said,
Speaker 1: how can that be? He said, well, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how it can be, but I know that it works.
Speaker 1: So he told me the story of this amygdalan or
Speaker 1: leatrill is the more popular name for it. That's found
Speaker 1: in some twelve hundred edible plants actually, but anyway, it's
Speaker 1: primarily found for commercial purposes in apricot seeds and peach
Speaker 1: seeds and any fruit in the Rosetia family has this
Speaker 1: stuff called amygdalen in its bit to the taste. And
Speaker 1: that's why most people in the Western world, are in
Speaker 1: affluent societies, don't like to eat foods that have this
Speaker 1: substance in it because it's bitter. If you've ever bitten
Speaker 1: into an apple seed, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: That's that's the flavor. And he said that stuff in
Speaker 1: low quantities is it looks like it's a natural control
Speaker 1: for cancer. And he told me the story. All right,
Speaker 1: this gets interesting in the details. He had a dog
Speaker 1: that had cancer and he was about to put the
Speaker 1: dog down because you know, he tried chemotherapy and everything
Speaker 1: else on the dog that the doctors do and it
Speaker 1: wasn't working. In fact, the dog was getting sicker. And
Speaker 1: when he heard about this, he says, I tried to
Speaker 1: use I decided to use this substance on the dog,
Speaker 1: and he said, blow me down. The dog got well
Speaker 1: real fast, and I couldn't believe it. I'd never seen
Speaker 1: that happen before. And then the next part of the
Speaker 1: story is that he said his nurse came to him,
Speaker 1: his head nurse, whose husband was had terminal cancer, and
Speaker 1: she said, doctor John, you know my husband is not
Speaker 1: going to last very much longer. And I saw what
Speaker 1: happened to the dog. Would you please do that for
Speaker 1: my husband? And he said, well, sure, I'd be glad to,
Speaker 1: but don't tell anybody because it's not approved, you know,
Speaker 1: for human use. And he tried it on her husband
Speaker 1: and he got well, this is how it all started.
Speaker 1: And so John said, I started using it very very
Speaker 1: cautiously and very low dosages and very suspiciously, making sure
Speaker 1: that I was not risking anybody's life, using it only
Speaker 1: on people who really had terminal cancer to start off with.
Speaker 1: And he said, I was getting way way better results
Speaker 1: than anybody I know. But the word got out. He said,
Speaker 1: I never advertised it and never talked much about it
Speaker 1: because I knew what the establishment would say about it.
Speaker 1: It was quackery or something like that. But the word
Speaker 1: got out because these patients that are dancing out of
Speaker 1: the office when they came in on a gurney. They
Speaker 1: talk about it, and so patients started coming to his
Speaker 1: clinic and it was no longer by this time an eye,
Speaker 1: ear nose, and throat clinic. It was a cancer clinic
Speaker 1: and people were coming from all over the world. And
Speaker 1: I didn't know that at that time. So that's the
Speaker 1: story he told me. And he said, now the medical
Speaker 1: professionists found out about it, and they threatened me that
Speaker 1: if I don't stop this immediately, they're going to take
Speaker 1: my license. He said, I need to tell the story.
Speaker 1: Will you help me write it? I said, sure, that
Speaker 1: sounds interesting. I thought it would be a three day project,
Speaker 1: you know, just to read about it a little bit
Speaker 1: and ask a few questions and then just write it up.
Speaker 1: But it turned out to be I don't know, a
Speaker 1: three year project. Yeah, something like that. Uh. It changed
Speaker 1: my life. It just changed my life. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: here today if I hadn't learned about that, because it
Speaker 1: it made me realize that almost everything that we think,
Speaker 1: we know that it is really important in our lives
Speaker 1: is a lie. When I realized that money was a lie,
Speaker 1: and now I found out that cancer treatments were a lie.
Speaker 1: What's more important than that? Yes, So that changed my life.
Speaker 1: And in my own family, I've I've seen we have
Speaker 1: some members of our family that are alive because of
Speaker 1: the treatments. So I wrote the book. It took me
Speaker 1: quite a while. I sat at the at the feet
Speaker 1: of listening to the great, the great sign assistant doctors
Speaker 1: who really knew about this stuff. Doctor Richison was very
Speaker 1: open about it. And of course I met the originator
Speaker 1: of this whole treatment, who was doctor Ernst T. Krebs Junior,
Speaker 1: who was the inventor of all that, not the inventor,
Speaker 1: but the discoverer of the chemical use and pioneer in
Speaker 1: using it for cancer. And I sat in his office
Speaker 1: many many an hour. He's a portly gentleman. He was
Speaker 1: sit back and he put his fingers together and said, well,
Speaker 1: let me think about that for a moment, and.
Speaker 3: He'd go off of how did he discover it?
Speaker 1: How did he discover it? Well, okay, his father was
Speaker 1: a doctor, an MD. He was not an MD doctor.
Speaker 1: He had his PhD degree from some smaller institution, which
Speaker 1: they liked to hold it against him because it wasn't
Speaker 1: from it wasn't from Harvard or something like that he
Speaker 1: was a PhD. But his doctor was a pioneer in that.
Speaker 1: So his doctor and his and he worked together on
Speaker 1: all kinds of herbal constructions from nature, because they had
Speaker 1: already discovered in their minds that nature has the cure,
Speaker 1: not the test tube. So that's where they were experimenting.
Speaker 1: And they found that the use of leatrill or the substance.
Speaker 1: Now there's this whole big story behind it. So that's
Speaker 1: what the book was about. I'll just give you one
Speaker 1: quick example. One of the clues to this was the
Speaker 1: fact that in the Midwest, it was quite common for
Speaker 1: farmers to see that their cows would develop cancers of
Speaker 1: the mouth and lips and so forth and other parts
Speaker 1: of their bodies in the winter time, but they would
Speaker 1: usually go away in the spring. And they said, why
Speaker 1: is that. There must be something about the weather. Well,
Speaker 1: then they got to observing that it happened shortly after
Speaker 1: the green sprouts came up through the snow in the spring,
Speaker 1: when the snow started to melt, and the first green
Speaker 1: grasses started to come up through the snow, and the
Speaker 1: collars would eat the green grasses. And it turns out
Speaker 1: these broad leaf grasses are very rich sources of amignalant.
Speaker 1: So that was the kind of clues that they had.
Speaker 1: How they discovered this is by you know, scientific method,
Speaker 1: and so anyway, that's how it started. And so John
Speaker 1: asked me to help him write the article, and I did,
Speaker 1: and that led to the book.
Speaker 3: And and then what happened I bet they that way.
Speaker 3: Oh well, when we look at what happened in the
Speaker 3: last few years, if anybody comes up with any treatment
Speaker 3: other than the one that they've decided they're going to
Speaker 3: sell you, they come after you in every way. We've
Speaker 3: seen that with ivermectin, HQ, anything else that anybody comes
Speaker 3: up with. And so everybody this has been on public
Speaker 3: display now. But you lived this. I guess the book
Speaker 3: was written in nineteen seventy. You've done an update I
Speaker 3: think in twenty ten or something like that, but you
Speaker 3: know this is back in sixties. I guess where this
Speaker 3: is happening. But you know when you were publishing it.
Speaker 3: So what happened after you published this? What was the firestorm?
Speaker 1: Well that's an interesting story. I published it and we
Speaker 1: sold it as a little I had a little publishing
Speaker 1: company by then, American Media, and we had a break
Speaker 1: brisk sale on it. And I went to a book
Speaker 1: convention in San Francisco shortly after the book was published,
Speaker 1: and that's where all the biggies came. You know, these
Speaker 1: big exhibits that half a block wide. And let's see
Speaker 1: which one was it. It was the little pocket books.
Speaker 1: Bantam Bandham was there, and I thought, well, maybe we
Speaker 1: could convince Badham to reprint this and put it on
Speaker 1: the big market. So it just so happened. On the
Speaker 1: morning of the first day. The president of Bantam was
Speaker 1: there on the floor when I was there, and I
Speaker 1: saw this cluster of people around him, so I thought
Speaker 1: I'll get in line, so I did, and so I
Speaker 1: went up shook his hand. I said, I'll make this short,
Speaker 1: mister Smith or whatever his name was. I said, we
Speaker 1: have this book here on LEAA Trill and it is
Speaker 1: carrying cancer. You probably have heard about it the newspapers.
Speaker 1: There's a big controversy over it, and I'd like to
Speaker 1: give you a copy and see if it sounds like
Speaker 1: it's something that Bannedham would like to run with. So
Speaker 1: he gave it to his assistant who was standing next
Speaker 1: to him, and he said, y oh, well, we look
Speaker 1: at this well. They called me later in the afternoon
Speaker 1: and they wanted to have dinner with me and they
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to me about printing the book. So,
Speaker 1: make a long story short, we did. You signed the contract. Wow,
Speaker 1: we got banned him to publish our book. And they
Speaker 1: put it out. They made it a they had a
Speaker 1: special name for it. It was a special edition that
Speaker 1: they can produce a book in. I think it's forty
Speaker 1: eight hours athing like that.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And they just work around the clock. They have teams
Speaker 1: of people and they work twenty four hours to get
Speaker 1: the thing out in forty eight hours or something like that.
Speaker 1: And they did that with this book, and it went
Speaker 1: on the book stands and it was selling like hotcakes.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, we got this message
Speaker 1: that it's out of print. Nobody can get the books
Speaker 1: out of print, and so we checked it out. Sure enough,
Speaker 1: it's out of print. How come it's out of print?
Speaker 1: And I called the publisher and well, there's no demand
Speaker 1: for it. There's no demand. The bookstores are clamoring for it. Well,
Speaker 1: our statistics show there's no demand for it. Well, we
Speaker 1: couldn't convince them otherwise. They just didn't want to reprint it.
Speaker 1: So it was clear that somebody on the board of
Speaker 1: directors at Bantam got the word, Hey, you guys made
Speaker 1: a big mistake. You published the wrong book, and so
Speaker 1: we were we were clamped out. We had one printing
Speaker 1: and that was it. It was glorious for a few weeks,
Speaker 1: but after that it was dead.
Speaker 3: In the door nail story of my life. You talk
Speaker 3: about the pharmaceutical companies, they come after and they get
Speaker 3: you shut down. It is. It is amazing. But again,
Speaker 3: you know, people can find that at RNC store dot com.
Speaker 3: I know that he sells it there. And very important
Speaker 3: for people to take control of their life, to question
Speaker 3: what they have been taught and to think critically, and
Speaker 3: that really has been the story of your life. I
Speaker 3: think questioning what a lot of people just accept as fact.
Speaker 3: And you have done your research and you gave people
Speaker 3: your opinion, and I think when their response is to
Speaker 3: just shut things down, that's something of an endorsement of
Speaker 3: your research. I think there are responses to answer you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and sort of a backward way. That's a pretty
Speaker 1: good recommendation. It good. I've been centered by the best.
Speaker 3: That's right. Well, tell us about the Red Red Pill
Speaker 3: University and the Red Expo, which is coming up November
Speaker 3: sixteenth through seventeenth, right, tell us little bit.
Speaker 1: About Yes, that's a big flagship event. We started the
Speaker 1: Red Pill expos in twenty seventeen and they've been just
Speaker 1: roaring successes. We were very skeptical about it at first,
Speaker 1: because you know the red Pill meme. In case there's
Speaker 1: anybody listening that doesn't know what that means. It's based
Speaker 1: on a sci fi movie it's about twenty one years
Speaker 1: ago now called The Matrix, and the whole theme of
Speaker 1: the story was that humans were now living in a
Speaker 1: fantasy world. They were all wired up to machines and
Speaker 1: they were dreaming about their lives. They weren't really living them,
Speaker 1: and they thought they were going to work every day.
Speaker 1: They thought they were raising a family, going on vacation,
Speaker 1: eating meals and so forth. But it was all programmed
Speaker 1: into their minds and they were controlled by the Matrix.
Speaker 1: That's what they called it. It was this computerized reality
Speaker 1: and the only way to get out of that was
Speaker 1: to take the Red Pill. There was the Blue pill,
Speaker 1: which you could take if you chose to, which would
Speaker 1: put you back into the illusion. But to get out
Speaker 1: of the illusion, you had to take the red pill.
Speaker 1: It turns out that many people chose the blue pill
Speaker 1: because it was more comfortable. They'd rather not know that
Speaker 1: they were wired up to a machine. They'd rather think
Speaker 1: that we're living a normal life. It is more pleasant
Speaker 1: than knowing that you had to fight the matrix to exist.
Speaker 1: So it was kind of a good parallel to the reality.
Speaker 1: So we thought we would call this the Red Pill
Speaker 1: Expo and deal with topics like that that we wanted
Speaker 1: to expose the reality and that's underneath the illusions. And
Speaker 1: as I said a moment ago, it seems like the
Speaker 1: more important something is, the more likely it is that
Speaker 1: we are in illusions about it because it's to somebody's
Speaker 1: best interest to do that to us. Yes, they profit
Speaker 1: from our naivety and our false beliefs.
Speaker 3: Now where can they go to get this? As you've
Speaker 3: got read, well, yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: We have done physical events from the beginning and they
Speaker 1: were very well attended and very successful. But this time
Speaker 1: around we've decided to go one hundred percent live stream,
Speaker 1: primarily so that we can cut expenses on the overall
Speaker 1: production and make the event absolutely free instead of having
Speaker 1: to charge tickets for it. Because we want. This is
Speaker 1: not about money, it's about getting the word out. So
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing this time, and it's working pretty well.
Speaker 1: We're very impressed by the response. But we want as
Speaker 1: many people this is globally now around the world to
Speaker 1: sign up for it. And you can find all the
Speaker 1: information who's going to be speaking, what the events are,
Speaker 1: what the topics are, and a lot of insights as
Speaker 1: to the themes and so forth on red pillexpo dot org,
Speaker 1: red pillexpo dot org. So sign up is free, and
Speaker 1: we do have an option for those that want to
Speaker 1: come in on a VIP basis that gets some extra
Speaker 1: goodies if they want to do that, like they can
Speaker 1: ask questions of the speakers, and we've got a raffle
Speaker 1: going on and all that kind of thing. It would
Speaker 1: be nice to be able to pay the bills, but
Speaker 1: we want this free if necessary, to anybody that you
Speaker 1: can't afford ten or twenty dollars or whatever it is
Speaker 1: as a donation. It's free. That's what our goal is.
Speaker 3: You see good And one other question I've got about it.
Speaker 3: I see that you've got a new book coming out
Speaker 3: that's coming up. How it's called The chasm, the issue
Speaker 3: behind all issues. When is that coming out?
Speaker 1: Well, the latter part is a tough one. Yes, I
Speaker 1: do have a new book. It's been coming out. It's
Speaker 1: been a coming out ever since the day after nine
Speaker 1: to eleven. Actually, oh okay, that's what I started. That's
Speaker 1: what I started to write it the day after nine
Speaker 1: to eleven. That was you talk about a red pill.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. But the whole purpose of the book is
Speaker 1: to provide historical support were the fact that our war
Speaker 1: today that we're in is a war of ideas. It's
Speaker 1: an ideological war. And it's not between the left and
Speaker 1: the right. It's not between the Republicans and the Democrats,
Speaker 1: or the Liberals and the Conservatives, or the Nazis, or
Speaker 1: the Communists or the Socialists or all of these labels
Speaker 1: that we've been given to worry about. It's not the Masons,
Speaker 1: it's not the Catholics, it's not the Jews. It's not
Speaker 1: the black people, it's not the Christians, it's not the Muslims.
Speaker 1: All these divisions they want to get us focused on.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not about any of that. Those all
Speaker 1: little sub sections play a part in it, but the overriding, controlling,
Speaker 1: dominating force behind it all is an idea, and it's
Speaker 1: a conflict of ideas, I should say, between something called
Speaker 1: collectivism and individualism. I found out in my research that
Speaker 1: those were were well known and used quite extensively one
Speaker 1: hundred years ago. You find them in the old books
Speaker 1: and in old newspapers too, But modern now it's all
Speaker 1: been scrubbed, and for good reason, because those two words,
Speaker 1: as strange as they are to the ears of most
Speaker 1: people today, are fully describing the conflict between left and right.
Speaker 1: And you know all these things we mentioned before. When
Speaker 1: you peel off the labels, you find it's collectivism versus individualism,
Speaker 1: and sore are the What is that? How do you
Speaker 1: define that? And that's what this booklet is all about.
Speaker 1: Is I took all the issues in the in the
Speaker 1: big book that I'm working on to illustrate support for
Speaker 1: these principles. I've taken just the principles themselves and put
Speaker 1: them into a fifty page document and I'm giving them
Speaker 1: away free because I'm afraid I'm not going to live
Speaker 1: long enough to get this bloody book finished. Although I'm
Speaker 1: making progress, I want to get these principles out now.
Speaker 1: So about ten months ago, we made this little booklet here.
Speaker 1: This is fifty pages. Yeah, it's the chasm collectivism versus individualism,
Speaker 1: and it's everything I have learned about those two topics.
Speaker 1: It's all there and type and we've got some good
Speaker 1: illustrations you can see those in the back, sort of
Speaker 1: illustrate the points that we're making. I think I have
Speaker 1: found few, very few open minded people, and that's hard
Speaker 1: to define, but very few people who I would have
Speaker 1: continued to be on the other side politically from my
Speaker 1: position that after reading this and going over these principles
Speaker 1: doesn't come to the point where they say, hmm, I
Speaker 1: guess I've been an individualist all along and didn't know it.
Speaker 1: It's that simple, it's that clear. We get to thinking
Speaker 1: of Well, let me back up. The mantra of collectivism
Speaker 1: is this the individual must be sacrificed. Yeah, that's fully stated.
Speaker 1: Is the group is more important than the individual and
Speaker 1: the individual must be sacrificed if necessary or the greater
Speaker 1: good of the greater number.
Speaker 3: Why didn't we see that with public health and all
Speaker 3: the rest is with everything? Yeah, I know that with everything.
Speaker 3: That's a good example. But because they don't care about
Speaker 3: individual health, right, we don't really care if you've had
Speaker 3: any issues with any of this. You're going to do
Speaker 3: it for the public health, for the public good. Everybody's
Speaker 3: going to have to do this. And I talked that bureaucracy,
Speaker 3: the public education and on. They once they start talking
Speaker 3: about that, it is the collectivism that is there.
Speaker 1: You find this issue underneath all of them. That's why
Speaker 1: I say this is the this is the this is
Speaker 1: the issue behind all issues. Literally, and look at Pearl Harbor,
Speaker 1: look at nine to eleven, look at COVID, look at everything.
Speaker 1: I don't care what it is. You'll find that collectivism
Speaker 1: is the answer. What makes all of that seem justified. Yes,
Speaker 1: Lenin put it this way. Vladimir Iliitch Lenin said, if
Speaker 1: you want to make an omelet, you have to crack
Speaker 1: some eggs. And now it could be said many different ways,
Speaker 1: but the greatest, the greatest insults of history, the greatest
Speaker 1: outrages of history, have been justified with this mantra. President
Speaker 1: Roosevelt and his team justified withholding information from American commanders
Speaker 1: on Pearl Harbor so that they were literally surprised by
Speaker 1: the Japanese attack, and they justified that, and they justified
Speaker 1: keeping the information unknown to the American people because it
Speaker 1: was a mark of statesmanship. It was a means of
Speaker 1: bringing about a greater good, because it was necessary to
Speaker 1: convince the American people that we needed to get into
Speaker 1: World War two as quickly as possible so that we
Speaker 1: consider at the peace table afterwards and when we redivide
Speaker 1: the world and we make it a better world. And
Speaker 1: we probably would save millions of American lives too, because
Speaker 1: the Japanese surely would have come over and bombed our
Speaker 1: cities and so forth. And you know, the average American
Speaker 1: sid oh, oh, yeah, I guess. I guess the four
Speaker 1: thousand sailors we killed deliberately in Pearl Harbor was worth
Speaker 1: it because it's the greater good of the greater number.
Speaker 1: You know, everything, everything that happens in this world that's
Speaker 1: horrible is justified by the perpetrators on the mantra of collectivism. Yes,
Speaker 1: and it's time to recognize that it's time to break
Speaker 1: that hypnosis that that idea has over us. I learned
Speaker 1: that in school. They taught me that the greater good
Speaker 1: for the greater number was the ideal political position. Most
Speaker 1: people still think it is.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh boy, we thought in space did we absolutely amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I think you're spot on with that and so
Speaker 3: many other things. It's so interesting to talk to you
Speaker 3: had so many important insights throughout your life, and your
Speaker 3: work has been very valuable to so many people. And
Speaker 3: I haven't read The World Without Cancer, but that's my
Speaker 3: intention to read that. That's very very important, especially when
Speaker 3: we look at the last four years, how the veil
Speaker 3: has been pulled back on what the pharmaceutical industry and
Speaker 3: what the government supposedly oversight people are doing for the
Speaker 3: greater good. You know, people die miserably and it's like,
Speaker 3: well it's rare, it doesn't matter, right, It's for the
Speaker 3: better good, for the greater good, common good. So we're
Speaker 3: going to approve the drug that is out there. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much for joining us. And again this red
Speaker 3: Pill University dot org. But you have a Redexpo dot org.
Speaker 3: Is that the one where people go for the or
Speaker 3: the red Expo that's coming up?
Speaker 1: What is the it can red pill you it's red
Speaker 1: Pill Expo dot org.
Speaker 3: Red pill Xpo dot org.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, red pill Expo dot org. To go there.
Speaker 1: You'll see who we have as the upcoming speakers. We
Speaker 1: still have three or four that we haven't put on
Speaker 1: the page yet. They're all dynamite. These people all have
Speaker 1: a red Pill to share with you, and they're all
Speaker 1: really really important. And so it'd be two days. I
Speaker 1: mean to be prepared to be blown away by information
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: It'll change your life.
Speaker 3: That's great. Thank you so much for joining us, Jo Griffin.
Speaker 3: It's been a great pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, David. I really appreciate it. And
Speaker 1: it's good to see you again on the screen and
Speaker 1: we'll be talking later.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Well, what an inspiration. Jedward Griffin
Speaker 3: is a real critical thinker, a visionary, a man with
Speaker 3: the courage to go wherever the truth leads him. And
Speaker 3: again uh Landmark Books, you want a fearful master creature
Speaker 3: from jackyll Island, a world without cancer and of course
Speaker 3: the red Pill expo that.
Speaker 1: Is coming up.
Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us. Have a good day.
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