1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Always look to the sky. 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:10,199 Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky Experience is on the air seventy seven WABC. 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,119 Speaker 1: Now here's Doctor Sky. 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,839 Speaker 3: Welcome to your weekend, as we continue to welcome many 5 00:00:17,879 --> 00:00:20,160 of you around the world to the new month August 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,359 twenty twenty six, a month of meteors are total solar 7 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:25,920 ecliffs on the other side of the world, and a 8 00:00:26,039 --> 00:00:30,079 rugged body about to hit the moon, a SpaceX rocket body. 9 00:00:30,719 --> 00:00:33,200 Once again, Welcome to your weekend from the powerhouse blow 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,479 towards signal Talk Radio, seventy seven WABC and proud to 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,359 be broadcasting from the center of the universe, New York City, 12 00:00:40,719 --> 00:00:43,119 to the nation in the world, and I'm sure even 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,640 up to the cosmos. 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But before that, let's thank 33 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:50,680 our helmsman Bill and Jackson navigating the many callers that 34 00:01:50,719 --> 00:01:52,799 we get. And all that we ask, folks is that 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,280 when you call in, if you just simply try your 36 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,560 best to stay on subject matter because of the great 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,319 number of calls that we get. For centuries, mankind has 38 00:02:02,319 --> 00:02:05,280 been witnessed to strange and mystical sightings of what is 39 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:09,280 now known as UFOs and UAPs. For while over eighty years, 40 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,120 more recent documented reports of this aerial phenomenon continue, but 41 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:17,120 to this date, in this humble host opinion, no single 42 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,599 credible piece of evidence has been shown, Yet we want 43 00:02:20,599 --> 00:02:24,159 to be positive, well, have we missed a key ingredient 44 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:28,400 in this puzzle? We now explore a Christian view from answers, 45 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,919 what does the Bible tell us about u fos, UAP's 46 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,479 and the connection between God and this whole subject. In 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,319 just a moment, we'll give you a full bio of 48 00:02:37,319 --> 00:02:40,840 our special guest, Derek Warfew, the author of a brand 49 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,240 new book that talks about this subject in great entirety. 50 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,400 UFOs and God, UFOs and God, revealing deception and the 51 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:54,199 truth behind the supernatural, the invisible war very interesting subjects. 52 00:02:54,199 --> 00:02:56,680 But we throw out a question to our audience in 53 00:02:56,759 --> 00:02:59,319 the kindness of a handshake, and the question to start 54 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:02,599 our conversation with our guests would be this, does the 55 00:03:02,599 --> 00:03:07,080 Bible offer some simple explanation or a complicated explanation of 56 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,560 UFOs and UAPs? With that in mind, let's hear more. 57 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,879 We need to talk. I have waited most of my 58 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,879 life for the government to come out and say they're real. 59 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:28,360 They finally have said that. I was informed in the 60 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,400 course of my official duties of a multi decade UAP 61 00:03:32,719 --> 00:03:35,240 crash retrieval and reverse engineering. 62 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: Program, probably the moment I realized they were real. 63 00:03:36,919 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 4: They would be in two thousand and four. 64 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:41,639 Speaker 5: We end up spending a week tracking unknown aircraft and 65 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,120 I got to say a live action video of an 66 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:44,919 actual UAP. 67 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 6: And from then on, my AHA moment is when you're 68 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:52,360 standing in a seventy foot area that's been baked two 69 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,759 feet into the ground. 70 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 7: And the ships came that night and I start freaking 71 00:03:57,159 --> 00:03:59,479 out and it was so massive. 72 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 8: It was who are you? 73 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 7: What is? 74 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,599 Speaker 5: This affected my relationship with God? 75 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:09,439 Speaker 9: Who I thought I was, my identity, what I believe, 76 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,319 but it really shouldn't. 77 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 10: Old ted you must be a UFO believer, and I 78 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:18,959 say no, I believe in God. 79 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,639 Speaker 3: I study UFOs. 80 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 11: What ultimately could be the agenda behind the alien UPHO phenomenon, 81 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,279 It could be very, very evil. 82 00:04:27,439 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 8: Don't think about the thirteen billion light years. If we're 83 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,680 talking dimensions beyond the universe, they could be this close 84 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,879 to us. Whatever the claims that are made by any 85 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,879 personality regarding. 86 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 10: God or Jesus or spiritual things, I want to know 87 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:44,800 the reasons. 88 00:04:45,079 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 8: Maybe these interdimensional beings have an agenda. They're on a mission, 89 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,240 and I argue that it's a deceptive mission. 90 00:04:52,319 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 3: We need to talk about this now. 91 00:04:54,759 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 4: Christians are starving for people to talk about this. 92 00:04:57,439 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 12: And to talk about honestly, time is of I want to. 93 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 3: Talk about it. Let's go to Sunday School and talk 94 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:16,160 about this topic. Derrek Warvell is an award winning filmmaker 95 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,199 whose new book UFOs and God, Revealing Deception and the 96 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,399 Truth behind the Supernatural and the Invisible War, offers a 97 00:05:24,439 --> 00:05:27,839 serious Biblical response to the modern UFO narrative and its 98 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,879 growing impact on the church. He holds a bachelor's degree 99 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,920 in psychology from Princeton University, a master's of theology from 100 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,040 Dallas Theological Seminary, where he studied under doctor Charles Ryrie 101 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:43,160 and John Walboot, and a master's degree in cinema from 102 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,399 the University of Southern California. He's the owner and producer 103 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:50,319 of Winter Star Productions. Derek is the executive producer of 104 00:05:50,399 --> 00:05:54,560 the Companion doctormentary film UFOs and God, set to release 105 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:57,319 later this month in August, and is developing a six 106 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,360 week Bible study guide for small groups. It resides in Florida, 107 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,319 and it's a privilege and honor to have you, Derek. 108 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,240 As we continue to move through time and space, how 109 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,439 are you, sir, and thank you for spending time with us. 110 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 7: Well, thank you for having me on the show. Can 111 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:12,680 you hear me? Okay? 112 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:16,519 Speaker 3: I sure can, and sometimes we'll hear clicking noises, but 113 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,279 I always blame them on solar flares. But let's hope 114 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,160 we don't have any outbursts of solar flares. 115 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 7: So far. 116 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 3: You're sounding five by five And if it wasn't for 117 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,040 our great helmsman, I'm sure we probably wouldn't be hearing this. 118 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 7: So yeah. Well, but as they say, east of the 119 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,920 Rockies here in Florida, So that's ready to go. 120 00:06:35,959 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 3: You're way east of the Rockies. You know, many people, 121 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:40,920 as I opened up with the whole show here as 122 00:06:40,959 --> 00:06:43,759 we always do, bringing on the greatest guests and people, 123 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:47,839 tell us my email just Drsky at WABC radio dot com. 124 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,519 Any comments and questions that you might have throughout this 125 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,600 two hour exchange. I'm more than happy to get back 126 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:56,160 to you. But here's the way I like to begin 127 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,439 this interview with you. This is such a deep subject 128 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,399 and what I'm so privileging on it to be as 129 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,279 the host of the show sitting behind this microphone, is 130 00:07:03,319 --> 00:07:06,519 to be able to express to people a different view 131 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:09,160 You don't have to necessarily agree with everything as we 132 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:11,319 talk about, you know, not only to you don't have 133 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:12,839 to worry with the host. You don't have to worry 134 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:15,759 with the guests. But in the positivity side of this, 135 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:19,519 therey here's the simple question, why do UFOs matter to 136 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,360 the Christian Church? You spend a lifetime doing this, Please 137 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:23,240 tell us more about this. 138 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I would say they matter for this reason. 139 00:07:29,079 --> 00:07:33,439 It's becoming a growing phenomenon that it's becoming harder and 140 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:38,240 harder to deny. You know, I think in the book 141 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:42,199 I give maybe thirty or forty different examples that you know, 142 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:48,920 from credible eyewitnesses, from credible events, and just to ignore it, 143 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:52,519 you have a problem. So, as a Christian, I ran 144 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,120 across this problem. I say, well, I don't know if 145 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,040 I have a category for this, how do I how 146 00:07:57,079 --> 00:08:00,360 does this spin into my understanding of the Bible? And 147 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:04,839 I started doing some research and I ran across this 148 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:09,680 book called The Truth about UFOs by John Weldon and 149 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:13,920 John Ackerberg, and is like the lights went on. Of 150 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:18,720 course that's the answer right there. As Christians, we know 151 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,000 that there's a whole supernatural realm that's existed alongside of 152 00:08:23,079 --> 00:08:28,439 us throughout all of history, and the only type of 153 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,360 beings that the Bible and God has told us about 154 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,559 that could do some of the things that we're seeing 155 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,279 are basically these supernatural beings. And every culture throughout all 156 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,000 of history has, in every culture, every religion has admitted 157 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,399 that we share this universe with supernatural beings. And it's 158 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,440 only in the twentieth century that basically science became a 159 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,279 little bit too uppity to decide that, well, that's all superstition. 160 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,120 We don't believe that anymore. But anybody who's better knows 161 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:06,200 there's all sorts of evidence of supernatural beings that have 162 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,879 inhabited our lives. You know, the simplest ones are like 163 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:13,720 ghosts and polderdeice. But you go back throughout all of history, 164 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:19,480 and you know ancient Near Eastern, Ancient Egyptian gods, the Arabic, Gin, 165 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,600 Greek and Roman gods. Now they probably never presented themselves 166 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,919 the way that mythology has come down to us. But 167 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,600 something started it off. I mean, you know, the Greeks 168 00:09:30,639 --> 00:09:34,759 and Mermans weren't stupid that there's something something that was 169 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:38,320 credible that yeah, that got them thinking about these things. 170 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,399 Speaker 3: No, it's an amazing story and the relevance of this 171 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,080 couldn't be at a more perfect time because and again 172 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,440 my rant is not as important as what your information 173 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:48,679 to the audience. And that's why we go ahead and 174 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,559 open the phone lines. We call it a theater of 175 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,000 the mind because obviously we're not watching this in a 176 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,840 video format, which to me gives us more of the imagination. 177 00:09:57,519 --> 00:09:59,320 And that theater of the mind number for the Doctor 178 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,720 Sky EXPERI it's eight four to eight nine two two. 179 00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:04,200 If you'd like to join, and I hope you will, 180 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,480 ladies and gentlemen. Derek Warfel, author and filmmaker. This gentleman 181 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,440 has a lot of experience with a different twist. And 182 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:13,480 not to sound like I'm kissing up here, Derek, this 183 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,440 is interesting to me because in my opinion, and I 184 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,480 don't like throwing too many opinions, I like the guests 185 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,919 to give us more the information. But here it is 186 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:23,759 to cut to the chase. In my humbled opinion, legacy 187 00:10:23,799 --> 00:10:27,159 and mainstream media is just on this hot torch bed. 188 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,679 You know, it's like hot coals. Everybody's now looking at 189 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,399 this thing is Wow. There's an alien invasion, maybe imminent. 190 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,440 But the government in many people's estimation. What is nolling 191 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,879 out this information and little bits, dribbles and dribbles of information, 192 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,279 some of which is good, But I want to take 193 00:10:44,279 --> 00:10:46,720 a different perspective on this, and to some it may 194 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:49,279 be a little bit challenging. So why is this so relevant? 195 00:10:49,279 --> 00:10:51,159 Tell us this is so important? 196 00:10:51,799 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, well it's relevant, I mean at least for Christians, 197 00:10:54,679 --> 00:11:00,799 because how can I say the messaging that's coming from 198 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:07,200 encounters with these beings is completely opposite Christianity. I mean, 199 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,559 it's not like it's just sort of like it, it's 200 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,960 completely opposite. They tell us, they tell the people that 201 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,679 have had contact with them that in fact, God did 202 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,960 not create this universe. They essentially were the creators of 203 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,240 us here on planet Earth. They visited Earth and there 204 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,000 is a very primitive life forms and they see the 205 00:11:29,159 --> 00:11:33,240 DNA here and so we're there children not God's children. 206 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,200 I mean, that's the message that they're giving out. And basically, 207 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,600 obviously that's completely opposite Christianity. And they deny that there's 208 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:46,200 a personal God. They believe there's a God force, but 209 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,679 not a personal God. Well, that undermines all of Christian 210 00:11:49,759 --> 00:11:53,919 theology because Christian theology says there is a personal God. 211 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:59,039 We have offended him severely, and because of that there's 212 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,279 a judgment day. Well, if there's no personal God, we 213 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:05,559 haven't done anything. There's no judgment day. There's no need 214 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,039 for a savior like Jesus Christ. And to them, Jesus 215 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:12,279 Christ is just an ascended guru and the answer to 216 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,440 life is reincarnation. Well, needless to say that that's almost 217 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,639 like Hinduism or at New Age theology, and that, as 218 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,000 you can see, is completely opposite. So either they're right 219 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,279 or we're right. And so yeah, that's why it's important. 220 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,799 And I believe there's more and more people well meeting 221 00:12:29,879 --> 00:12:32,919 people who are saying, well, maybe we need to listen 222 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,960 to these beings because look at the crafts that they 223 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:36,360 fly in. 224 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:40,039 Speaker 3: Well, I know this is very controversial to someone we're 225 00:12:40,039 --> 00:12:41,919 not here. Let me say this. I'm not here to 226 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,679 convince anybody out there that yours is the only path 227 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,720 to this subject matter. But on the same line, I'm 228 00:12:47,759 --> 00:12:50,759 a Christian and I believe very strongly that without my knowledge, 229 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:52,559 my lack of knowledge in the depth of what you 230 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,200 will bring to the table, I think offers some very 231 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,200 good insight. And to continue on this, what dough space 232 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,879 aliens and their followers. Teach mentioned a few of them. 233 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,080 There is no personal creator God, but an impersonal life 234 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,200 force ruling the universe, and the space aliens of the creators, 235 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,120 they designed DNA and seated it on the Earth to evolve. Now, 236 00:13:12,159 --> 00:13:14,679 those are some very controversial things, but gets into whole 237 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:18,639 Darwinism gets into all these different, very interesting subjects. So 238 00:13:19,159 --> 00:13:21,120 in the time that we have with you and the callers, 239 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,279 you believe it or not, it looks like we're lighting 240 00:13:23,399 --> 00:13:25,159 up the phone lines as we would expect here with 241 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,720 such a very interesting subject. Again, ladies and gentlemen, taking 242 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:32,639 a different approach to this. All we continue here is 243 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,000 about these alien spacecrafts. Look, I've studied this. You know 244 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,440 you and I have had conversations, right, Derek. Look, I've 245 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:42,279 met and had talks and conversations and actually been part 246 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,360 of doing some deep research the Betty and Barney Hill case. 247 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,840 Betty Hill, I knew how, and I want to sound redundant, 248 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,159 I knew how. I'd visit her in somers and look 249 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:52,679 at her experience that she had. Travis Walton, a good 250 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,799 friend here in Arizona. Stanton Friedman, doctor Stanton Friedman, a 251 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,039 great guy, sadly passed on. But it's so interesting that 252 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,799 we listened. So let me go right to it. Before 253 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:04,279 we even go to the callers, give us, in your 254 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,840 humble opinion and your you know, factual information. What is 255 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,039 some of the best evidence that we can say from 256 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,600 the Bible that talks deeply about this connection between other 257 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:17,399 spiritual beings or whatever supernatural that they might be. What's 258 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,200 what's the best symbol of answer that you could give 259 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:21,360 this audience one of many. 260 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 7: Well, the Bible does talk about supernatural beings. The Bible 261 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,879 calls them angels. They're also called sons of God or 262 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:37,240 watchers or you know whatever, and a stars sometimes, and 263 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:42,320 you know, you look at those beings and you see 264 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,440 how similar these beings that are coming in craft UFO 265 00:14:46,559 --> 00:14:50,679 craft are like the angels described in the Bible. And 266 00:14:51,039 --> 00:14:54,919 the Bible clearly talks about the fact that when God created, 267 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,799 before God created us, he created a whole realm of 268 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,799 supernatural beings to serve him, and he called them angels. 269 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:09,679 And they're very smart, harry intelligence, very powerful, and you know, 270 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:12,240 but at one point in time, one third of them 271 00:15:12,799 --> 00:15:17,039 decided to rebel against their creator, and they have been 272 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,159 at war with God, with the Holy Angels and with 273 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,720 us ever since. And if you look at this closely, 274 00:15:23,799 --> 00:15:27,919 you see that there's that type of thing that happened 275 00:15:27,919 --> 00:15:31,519 throughout all of history, the ancient Egyptian gods. You look 276 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:36,360 at the ancient Egyptian gods that fought against Moses and 277 00:15:36,919 --> 00:15:41,639 Yahweh or what we believe is the Judeo Christian God, 278 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:45,879 you know, and in fact, these beings it's like literally 279 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,679 if it you know, it's the old saying, if it 280 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,000 walks like a duck and it's quacks like a duck, 281 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:52,639 and it looks like a duck, maybe it's a duck. 282 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:57,960 And these beings match exactly what a fallen angel would 283 00:15:58,039 --> 00:16:02,120 look like, these angels, the angelic beings. And so I 284 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,039 mean I spend two whole chapters one chapter just looking 285 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,679 at what the Holy Angels look like. And then you 286 00:16:07,799 --> 00:16:11,440 look and you see these quote unquote evil spirits are 287 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:16,440 very much like the Holy Angels, except that they try 288 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:18,519 to do things that are not good, and the Bible 289 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:22,679 says they come to kill, steal, and destroy, And that 290 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:25,600 I think with Sherlock Holmes or Arthur Colin, Dono has 291 00:16:25,639 --> 00:16:31,600 said that once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, 292 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:32,720 is likely the truth. 293 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, fascinating information here one eight four, eight, nine to two. 294 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:38,919 Speaker 13: Two. 295 00:16:39,039 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 3: Let's continue with our conversation, try to get as many 296 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,399 of our callers in here with their great wisdom and 297 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,279 also their great commentary. Let's say good morning too online 298 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:51,720 one John in Minnesota, You're on with author and filmmaker 299 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:53,240 Derek Warfare. 300 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:56,919 Speaker 13: Your thanks for taking the call. One of the very 301 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:03,000 skeptical about aliens coming to our planet, for the simple 302 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,400 reason that a few people talk about, is how the 303 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,079 heck did they get here? You notice when we when 304 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,440 we send astronauts into space to the moon and we return, 305 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,119 they are returned and returned in parachutes splashing into the ocean. 306 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:22,599 They somehow, if they are coming from another planet, which 307 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:26,200 I doubt, they have the ability to fly directly through 308 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:31,720 the atmosphere and return. So is anybody talking about that? 309 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:32,920 How do they get here? 310 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,759 Speaker 3: Well, it's a very good point that you bring up, Derek. 311 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:38,519 Go ahead, you got the you got the floor on this. 312 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:39,200 You're our guests. 313 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I think you know the same. One. Are 314 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,680 the big criticisms that these are in fact coming from 315 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,839 another planet or another galaxy. I mean I could go 316 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,119 through the scientific reasons why it's just flat out impossible 317 00:17:55,519 --> 00:17:59,559 for beings like us carbon based life forms, uh, you know, 318 00:17:59,799 --> 00:18:04,759 to travel here to interstellar space. But one of the 319 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:08,759 things that simply disproves that is that we have scientists 320 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,559 who are tracking thousands of millions of craft out there 321 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:19,319 that are flying, rocks, asteroids, everything, and no one has 322 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,559 ever been able to track one of these coming from 323 00:18:22,599 --> 00:18:27,799 outer space into our atmosphere. I mean, they will tell you. 324 00:18:28,519 --> 00:18:31,160 One of the people we mentioned in the film, doctor Harzema, 325 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,400 basically says, we've never been able to track anything coming 326 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,400 from outer space into our atmosphere. Well, they obviously had 327 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,559 to cross outer space to come into our atmosphere, So 328 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:46,920 how did they get here? They just seem to appear. 329 00:18:47,839 --> 00:18:50,799 And I think the answer is, basically, we're not dealing 330 00:18:50,799 --> 00:18:57,519 with interstellar objects. We're dealing with interdimensional objects. And there's 331 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,799 plenty of examples of that in the Bible. You're right, 332 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:03,759 how did they get here? I mean, if I have 333 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:05,960 a little longer segment, I can talk about there's three 334 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,279 reasons why they're not coming from another planet. One is 335 00:19:09,319 --> 00:19:12,200 the Earth is too unique. The other is the distances 336 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:18,240 are too great. And thirdly, the possibility of life coming 337 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,559 about by random chance, which is what evolution demands. It's 338 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:26,960 just way too great. So they're not coming from another 339 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:30,279 galaxy or not coming from the data reticulous our system 340 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:35,640 or alpha centaury. We've never been able to track anything 341 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,240 coming into our atmosphere from outer space. 342 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:39,759 Speaker 14: And so. 343 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's interesting what you're saying, Derek. But I 344 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:44,960 want to give John, if you're still with us, you've 345 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,079 got to respond an opportunity to respond back any final 346 00:19:48,079 --> 00:19:49,400 comment or a question that you have. 347 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:52,799 Speaker 13: Well, I think that's absolutely right. I mean, these pilots 348 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:57,119 and people that have seen things, they're definitely. 349 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 3: So go ahead. I think we lost him, John in Minnesota, 350 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,119 give it one more try. Did we lose you? Okay, 351 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,160 we lost him, But I think Derek, he was onto. 352 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,319 There is after you've responded that you're right. 353 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 7: There is one other thing. I mean, there is a 354 00:20:15,519 --> 00:20:19,319 period having in the book exact here. There's some cosmonauts 355 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,519 at one point who saw some sort of being flitting 356 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:25,759 outside of the craft when they were circling the Earth, 357 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:30,079 and even our astronauts have mentioned that they saw objects 358 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:33,400 that looked that it was hard to define that they 359 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:38,200 were buzzing about as they were going through space, so 360 00:20:38,319 --> 00:20:40,839 there is some sort of sightings, but they do not 361 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:45,720 seem to be traveling from the stars or from the 362 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:50,000 galaxies to our planet, which is weird because they would 363 00:20:50,039 --> 00:20:53,000 have to do that to get here. And it's interesting 364 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,960 to me that even you followists, people who are committed 365 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,640 to this philosophy admit that maybe they have been here 366 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,880 all long, and there's a lot of theories about that 367 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:07,480 that in fact, that maybe this is their home base. 368 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 3: Well, you're right, Derek, we don't even know much about 369 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,519 the under sea, and we look at the moon. Let's say, 370 00:21:13,559 --> 00:21:16,400 just an object that if you're out now, ladies and gentlemen, seeing, 371 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,000 depending on where you are, if it's nighttime, the moon 372 00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:21,359 is either up just past full. We'll go into that later. 373 00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:23,839 But the interesting thing is we've gone to the surface 374 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,799 of the moon, but we know so little. We've mapped 375 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:29,160 the moon, even the far side, but we know so 376 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:32,160 little about the deepest parts of the ocean and other 377 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,880 areas underneath the oceans. Who knows, maybe these interdimensional beings 378 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:39,359 for whatever reason. And again I can't say I can 379 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,799 prove it. You can't either, But that's why we have 380 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,440 you in this particular episode of the Doctor Sky Experience. 381 00:21:44,519 --> 00:21:47,279 We're doing fine is to be able, ladies and gentlemen, 382 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,680 to bring in another iteration of what research over the time, 383 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,000 whether you're a Christian or not. We're going to get 384 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,920 into what more of the Bible might say about revelations, 385 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:00,319 not the Book of Revelations, but about this phenomenon here, 386 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,680 because you don't hear that, Derek, in other programs. Most 387 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,200 of the time, all we're hearing about is the latest 388 00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:10,640 UFO cover up, disclosure. We all want disclosure, and again 389 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,559 I'm not Look, let me say this. I come from 390 00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:16,559 a science background, okay, observational astronomy. I've gone out not 391 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,640 breaking tens of thousands of hours and the deepest and 392 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,920 darkest s guies with every single galactic object that you 393 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,359 could possibly imagine, and I haven't seen but maybe one 394 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,039 billion to them all. And I can tell you categorical, 395 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,559 I haven't seen anything really truly that makes me go, 396 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,640 oh wow, look at that spaceship with the guys with 397 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,599 their gals, with the big heads and the big eyes. 398 00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:39,759 But this is a subject that's interesting and defining it 399 00:22:39,799 --> 00:22:43,000 from your perspective as a Christian and bringing into the 400 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:46,000 whole subject here UFOs and god and if you'd like 401 00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:50,480 to go to Derek's website, it's simply UFOs and godbook 402 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:57,480 dot com. That's UFO's and indegodbook dot com. Very interesting stuff. 403 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:58,839 So take us to the bottom of the hour, if 404 00:22:58,839 --> 00:23:01,559 we've got about three more minutes. Why of course this 405 00:23:01,559 --> 00:23:05,559 is so relevant in other perspectives and other iterations, because 406 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,799 everywhere you see, everybody wants to have the understanding, hey, 407 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,000 wait a minute, there's something out there, and whether it's 408 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:15,039 good or bad. Tell us more about why this is 409 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:16,000 all relevant from. 410 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 7: Your perspective, Well, I don't think we're going to see 411 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,039 what you see in the film Independence Day, like some 412 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,880 big craft hovering that's going to start blowing away the 413 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,160 White House and other things. It seems like it's far 414 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,440 more subtle. A lot of people will say, well, if 415 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,519 these things are real, why don't they land on the 416 00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:37,440 White House law and then say take me to your leader. 417 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,160 It seems that the strategy here, as the strategy of 418 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,480 the occult throughout all of history, is far more subtle, 419 00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:51,559 you know, basically, but it is there is danger. For example, 420 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,359 there was a report of a craft hovering near the 421 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,799 nucular missile stripe Malstrom Air Force Base very. 422 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: Well on this show. Please continue, but you're you're right 423 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:04,720 on right on the right railroad here. 424 00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 7: And literally the entire underground controls for the nuclear missiles 425 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,680 went offline for one hour, and that is scary. We've 426 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,240 got nuclear missiles, we have no control of them for 427 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:22,480 one hour. So there's reports of craft like it was 428 00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:26,799 one of the French Craft fighter tits uh that almost 429 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:31,000 had a collision with the UFO UH. There's other pilots 430 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,400 that talk about having near collisions. There's a case in 431 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,119 I think it was Australia. I know it's maybe New 432 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,680 Zealand that basically where there was this one first pilot 433 00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:44,880 was reporting that he was being sort of harassed by 434 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,680 a UFO Do that right, And his craft was never 435 00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:53,000 and his ship was never heard from. His plane was 436 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,359 never heard from again. So there is some danger here. 437 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,720 It's not like the Independence Day movie where they're going 438 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:02,119 to blow up, you know, the Pentagon or something, but 439 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,799 they seem to enjoy hurting people, and not only just 440 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:12,160 in terms of spaceships or flying saucers, but when people 441 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,359 have had contact with him, there's a lot of danger 442 00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:19,559 and people being hurt, like you've done this story about 443 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,799 Travis Walton. He disappeared for five days. What happened to 444 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:24,599 him or. 445 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,599 Speaker 3: Exactly his story is, Derek, His story is so very powerful. 446 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:31,480 Hollywood took the liberty of doing the Fire in the 447 00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:34,519 sky and that to me, if you watch the end 448 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,599 part of it, though it's Hollywood, you've seen it. You're 449 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,440 a filmmaker and other people are not filmmakers, and they 450 00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:42,359 saw it. That literally kind of shocked me when I 451 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,519 watched that years ago, and I've said to myself, Travis, 452 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,319 knowing him, that's incredible. I mean, you have a lot 453 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,720 of people that don't believe him at all. But why 454 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,039 would a man do this? He's a lumberjack, let's say, simple, 455 00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:58,160 common guy, intelligent guy. Why would he go to all 456 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,400 this length to tell a story like that because he 457 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,079 can make a lot of money. That's never been in 458 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,839 my opinions. 459 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 7: Oh it's not. At least there were five other but 460 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,799 four or five other people with him that saw him 461 00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:14,799 go up into that draft, and they took live detector 462 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,440 tests and passed all of them. Because people thought that 463 00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:20,079 they killed him because there was no Oh give me 464 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,119 a break here, your friend just went up into a 465 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,440 spaceship give me a break, and literally he was disappeared 466 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,839 for five days. They were going to bring charges against 467 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,960 these guys. He came back and he explained that literally 468 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:34,200 last thing he remembered was this craft flying away. And 469 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,359 the bottom line is is that you know it's a 470 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,440 dangerous thing. Now these are isolated incidents, so people, you know, 471 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:44,480 it goes into the news cycle, and that goes out 472 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:46,400 of the news cycle, so you don't think about it. 473 00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:49,759 But there's I listed at the beginning of the book 474 00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:54,279 probably about fifty different examples that are hard to explain away. 475 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,039 Maybe I can do this after the break, and. 476 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: We need to take that break, not to get any 477 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:02,799 guts short, because in this world there's space and time, 478 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,279 the time space continuum. It's time for the heartbreak. We'll 479 00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:09,240 continue with Derek Warfow, an excellent guest in my opinion, 480 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,960 I hope you would agree. Not everything you may believe, 481 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,920 but the point of the matter is we open up 482 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,359 the many mysteries in the theater of the mind. Derek Warfow, 483 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,640 author and filmmaker. Right after these important announcements. 484 00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky experience entertaining and informative on the Red 485 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:37,960 Apple Podcast Network. This is the Doctor Sky Experience. Always 486 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,880 look to the Sky seventy seven WABC. 487 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,279 Speaker 1: Now here's Doctor Sky. 488 00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 6: Like trevels billions of years, so we can watch a 489 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:12,119 star say goodbye. But in this darkness every end, it's 490 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:16,480 just the beginning of something beautiful. 491 00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,319 Speaker 3: At thirty three minutes after the hour, we simply are 492 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,240 all made of start us. We continue with that. Very 493 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,680 special guests on the Doctor Sky Experience, Theater of the 494 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,079 Mind Derek Warfel, author and filmmaker. Derek, thanks for being 495 00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:38,920 with us. Let's continue with the callers. They're very popular here, 496 00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:41,559 at least as they step into the Theater of the Mind. 497 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,519 Let's go to line number three and say good morning 498 00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:45,880 to Nick in Virginia. Nick, thanks for your patience. 499 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,279 Speaker 4: How you doing well? 500 00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:51,559 Speaker 15: Thank you Doctor Sky and Derek. I too have my 501 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,519 doubts about man getting to Heaven into spaceship, simply because 502 00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,640 it would take forty years just to get to the 503 00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:05,279 end of our solar system. And uh you know, uh, 504 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,880 I don't know. As a film producer. Uh do you 505 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,279 know about the movie The Day the Earth Stood Still 506 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,839 and the hidden meanings in the film? 507 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,319 Speaker 3: Yes? 508 00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 15: Yes, uh, well, the the scriptwriter Edward North he uh, 509 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,720 and without the consent of the company that produced the 510 00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:38,599 film or the the the director that he was, he 511 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,960 was putting these hidden meanings in the movie that Clatto 512 00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:48,079 and Gort came down from the heavens and this and 513 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,440 the whole thing was a metaphoric Jesus. 514 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 14: Uh. 515 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 15: Clatto came to Earth from the heavens, and he had 516 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,000 a message for mankind to tent or you will be 517 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:08,440 burnt to a charred nothing. And he was given. He 518 00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:13,799 was resurrected by Gourt after the humans shot him, and 519 00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:17,279 then he took on the name Carpenter as a human 520 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:25,680 and was trying to teach humanity through his messaging that 521 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,480 they need to straighten up and fly right. 522 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,759 Speaker 3: And you're absolutely right. It's amazing the way you say that, 523 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:35,960 because it's one of my favorite movies. And Derek, please 524 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,160 your response, because Nick brings up some very interesting things 525 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,279 Messengers from the heavens with a message of peace in 526 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:44,640 this particular case if people haven't seen the movie, but 527 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,359 tell us more, Derek, this is interesting what Nick is 528 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:47,920 are alluding to. 529 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:51,799 Speaker 7: Well, I think you're right about the distances. I'm just 530 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:56,000 going to cover this briefly. Is that literally from what 531 00:30:56,039 --> 00:31:00,920 we could tell right now just by triangulation, the universe 532 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:07,680 is one hundred billion light years wide. Okay, that's the lot. 533 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,559 The light year is the distance light travels in a year, 534 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:15,440 and light travels approximately six trillion miles in a year, 535 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,519 so you know, you start to realize, and even just 536 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,119 our own galaxy, the Milky Way, it takes one hundred 537 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,079 and fifty thousand years for the radio signal to get 538 00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:31,720 across our galaxy traveling at the speed of light, so 539 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,880 you realize that you know them coming from that type 540 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,359 of distance. And the closest star to us is Alpha century, 541 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,759 four point three light years away, or twenty five trillion 542 00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:48,519 miles away. Now, if you were to take Voyager one, 543 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:53,720 which left our atmosphere in the seventies thirty eight thousand 544 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:58,160 miles an hour, it would take seventy five thousand years 545 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,440 to reach Alpha century, which is the closest star. So yeah, 546 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,240 it's just fairly not possible that they're coming from another, 547 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:11,839 even the closest star, because nothing travels fast than the 548 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,920 speed of light. According to Einstein, that's a constant. And 549 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,079 even if we were to travel at one tenth the 550 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,480 speed of light, you think that there's nothing in space, 551 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:27,119 but there is. There's space dusts, there's chips, there's little rocks. Literally, 552 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,000 your craft would get torn apart before you reach your destination. 553 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:35,440 So they're not coming from another star, they're not coming 554 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,920 for another star system. They're coming from another dimension. 555 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 3: And you make it a good point there, Derek. No, 556 00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:43,559 not to cut you short. What I want to add 557 00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:45,960 to Nick and the conversation to the entire audience. The 558 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,400 speed of light is six hundred and seventy million miles 559 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,160 an hour, and you're absolutely right. Therek about five trillion 560 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,839 miles you know, to go to one light year distance. 561 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,240 So it seems improbable unless and again I cannot discount 562 00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:02,039 it in the world of science that it's impossible, nor 563 00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:05,160 are you saying that it's not impossible but more likely 564 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,839 if you line up all the statistics and science that 565 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,839 we know. But Nick and Virginia, you get an opportunity 566 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,119 to come back. If you have another response to what 567 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,799 the Derek is saying, go ahead. 568 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 15: Yes, I tried to find out if what speed the 569 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:24,440 human body will deteriorate, and apparently they're saying that the 570 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:27,559 human body can actually go to speed of light as 571 00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:34,240 long as it's not a quick speed that you know, 572 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,759 acceleration or a deceleration of any kind. Then you're going 573 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:40,880 to just you know, like if you hit something in space, 574 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,319 you're just going to be destroyed. 575 00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 3: You'd be torn apart. You're absolutely right, and again not 576 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,559 to be a funny guy. Imagine I don't have one, 577 00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:49,200 but a friend of mine does. He sits in his 578 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:53,480 Tesla plaid and I have. Well, I haven't gotten in it, 579 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:55,519 but I know people who haven't. They say zero to 580 00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:59,039 whatever it does. You might need a chiropractor. Derek and 581 00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:03,039 Nick because of the instant acceleration. That's another story. But Nick, 582 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,079 thank you for bringing some perspective to this. And again 583 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:08,559 we're not trying to convince people. No apologies from me 584 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:12,320 the host. Everybody's opinion is important here and we're trying 585 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,679 to give better perspective in these two hours to what 586 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,400 might not be talked about. Derek, you're the one doing this, 587 00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:23,000 and I salute you. Derek Warvill, author and filmmaker. So 588 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,400 as we continue on this journey, let me ask you 589 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,840 a few more questions on this improbable in your mind 590 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,840 that the capability of alien technology at this point over 591 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,960 the vast distance of space carry on the theme before 592 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,519 we go to the next break here in about four 593 00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:40,199 or five minutes, about the possibility of this being a 594 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,559 more spiritual thing, interdimensional stuff. The mind of man doesn't 595 00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:47,119 even understand that, so it has to be somewhere written 596 00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:49,920 in books of the past. How does the Bible address 597 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,760 this in your opinion, you're the scholar on that. 598 00:34:53,039 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 7: Well, the Bible seems to indicate several different angels we see, 599 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,400 and probably the easiest one to point to is if 600 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,239 you remember the Nativity story, the shepherds in the hills 601 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,760 who were looking at the sky, you know, with their sheep, 602 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,159 and all of a sudden there was a host of 603 00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:18,159 angels singing glory to God. And then a few minutes, 604 00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:23,079 a few seconds later, they were all gone, Well what happened? 605 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:27,159 Did they just go to Mars or Jupiter or Venus 606 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:33,280 or the Zeta ridiculous star system. No, they went from 607 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,840 one dimension, which is the dimension or in to another dimension. 608 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,400 For example, say pretend there's six dimensional beings. Okay, they 609 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,679 can enter three dimensions of space and then go back 610 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,880 to the sixth dimension, and to us they would seem 611 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,880 to disappear. Let me give you example. Look at something 612 00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:55,639 like on your table, some flat table. Imagine you had 613 00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:58,519 a whole species of beings on a flat table. It 614 00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:01,199 would be like a projection of a movie or something 615 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,280 like that, and they're moving around and say you're in 616 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,800 a third dimension and you come down and touch the table, 617 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,760 it would look like you disappeared out of nowhere. And 618 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,320 then you lift your hands off the table, it would 619 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,159 look to them like you disappeared. You know. That's the 620 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,320 thing is that literally, traveling between dimensions, they could be 621 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,400 right next to you. This is we talked to an astrophysicist. 622 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,320 He says, literally, if there's another dimension, they could be 623 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,800 right next to you and you don't see them. And 624 00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:36,400 I believe that's true. That literally We interviewed one person 625 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,880 in the film, Blake Healy, who basically had the ability 626 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,079 for some of his childhood years to see these extra 627 00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:47,639 dimensional beings, and at a certain point when he came 628 00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:51,400 closer to God, that ability disappeared. But it drove him 629 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,199 nuts because he could see them. No one else could 630 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,880 that they were right there, but they were gone. Let 631 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,559 me give you another example. The Garden of Eden. Okay, 632 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,480 the Garden of Eden, basically it says it's near the Euphrates, 633 00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:07,559 river and some of the other rivers the Tiger Server 634 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:12,119 that come off of it. And you know, well, you 635 00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,719 can go where these rivers are, and you can go 636 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,079 up and down the whole length of the thing, and 637 00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:20,000 you will not find a gateway to the Garden of Eden. 638 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:24,440 Well where is it. Well, it's probably right there in 639 00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:29,360 plain sight and the angel that's guarding the but it's 640 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,559 in another dimension. You know that you cannot enter that dimension. 641 00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:36,880 You have lost Adam and Eve lost the ability to 642 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:43,079 travel between dimensions. So there's things on our earth that 643 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,199 may exist in three dimensional space that we can't see 644 00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:49,199 them because they're in a higher dimension. 645 00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 3: Yes, no, you bring up something very fascinating because in 646 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,320 my world of spirituality, you know, I've lost my parents 647 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,800 and people out there who've lost loved ones no matter 648 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,559 what age, we still love them. But it's interesting if 649 00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:04,320 we think maybe, and this is just my possibility, like 650 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,760 to keep positivity that according to physics and those that 651 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,119 are studying quantum, there may be upwards of eleven, maybe 652 00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:15,119 even twenty two different dimensional planes. And we don't give 653 00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:17,599 homework on this show, but there's something that people might 654 00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:20,639 want to look into. It's rather complicated, but I'll say 655 00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:25,480 it without spelling it. These are called collabi yao manifolds. Now, 656 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,239 I know that sounds crazy, like you're thinking of a 657 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,800 manifold on your vehicle. This is different. It's about dimensional 658 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:34,719 planes that exist out there. So what you're saying, Derek 659 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,840 is very much I in the heartside of the whole thing. 660 00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:40,440 And to everybody listening, wouldn't it be wonderful that those 661 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,880 that have departed are not really like trillions of light 662 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,159 years away? But because our brains do not have the 663 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:50,000 capability of absorbing that sad that we can't bring them here. 664 00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:53,760 But isn't that interesting that in that dimensional world. You're right, 665 00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:58,199 maybe more of this UFO UAP story is that. But 666 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,519 we got to take that break. I want me come 667 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,639 back just to let our listeners know one eight hundred 668 00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:04,760 eight four eight nine two two two get you into 669 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,039 what we call the theater of the mind. We'll come 670 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,639 back and we'll go to Tony in New Jersey Francis 671 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:12,159 and New York and you, letters and gentlemen, don't be 672 00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:14,280 shy step into the theater of the mind as we 673 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,320 call it. To do that, it's simple, just one eight 674 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,239 hundred eight four eight nine two two two, and we 675 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,119 will be right back. 676 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,559 Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky Experience entertaining and informative. 677 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,119 Speaker 1: On the Red Apple Podcast Network. 678 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:40,159 Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky Experience is on the air seventy seven WABC. 679 00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:48,280 Now Here's Doctor Sky. 680 00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 14: Hi. 681 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,280 Speaker 5: I'm Travis Walton, author of Fire in the Sky and 682 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,800 my experience as an abductee back in nineteen seventy five, 683 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,960 and you are listening to the Doctor Sky Show. 684 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 3: In the years of the Antichrist, people will expect salvation 685 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:10,480 from space. This will be the Devil's greatest trick. Humanity 686 00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:12,800 will seek help from the aliens, not knowing that they 687 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,719 are actually demons. In the opinion of Saint Gabriel of 688 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,840 the Georgian Orthodox Church, who was canonized in twenty twelve, 689 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,840 a different perspective on the subject that we're talking about 690 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,119 today and this morning with our guests Derek Warfel, author 691 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:31,360 and filmmaker UFOs and God. Let's continue with the callers, 692 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,440 a very popular listing. Here a very popular guest. We 693 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,679 go to line four and welcome Tony in New Jersey. 694 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,320 Good morning, Thank you for your patience. 695 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 16: Hi, Doctor Skuy. Hi, Derek, I love the topic. I 696 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,960 wanted to say that my viewpoint is I always funnel 697 00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:52,239 everything through the word of God. And what I read 698 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,639 about was a very powerful scripture. And if you could 699 00:40:56,679 --> 00:40:59,199 just give me two minutes, and then I think, I'll 700 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,639 let you say the but it talks about it'll take 701 00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:06,960 two minutes when we get ready for the flood. We 702 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:10,400 talk about how Noah prepared for the flood because things 703 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,719 were so evil at that time. And it starts to 704 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:19,800 tell us about when man began. This is Genesis, Genesis, 705 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,480 one of the early chapters, when man began to multiply 706 00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:25,239 on the face of the land, and daughters were born 707 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,440 to them. The sons of God saw that the daughters 708 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,440 of man were attractive, and they took as their wives 709 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,079 any they chose. And then the Lord said, my spirit 710 00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:39,159 shall not abide with man forever, for his flesh his 711 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,440 days or two be years. And the film were on 712 00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:46,920 earth on those days and also afterwards, and they're also 713 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,960 talks about in other passages of scripture. But what's interesting 714 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,760 is that then the film were really they read somewhere. 715 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:01,639 The name means that they were ancient champions who made 716 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,840 names for themselves, that at some point they had a 717 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,719 different relationship, and then you know, things happened and they 718 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,400 came down to earth. Very interesting, and so this all 719 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,440 makes sense to me. And the last thing I want 720 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,440 to say is that just as the Catholic Church was 721 00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:25,480 always apprehensive about exorcisms, they didn't really talk about it, 722 00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:28,760 they didn't really explain it, and people just found out 723 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,119 about it through movies like The Exorcists, this is the 724 00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:34,760 same kind of thing. I think. It could be a 725 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,960 mix of beings that just were meant to be serving 726 00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:43,639 God and glorifying God, and then they just came into 727 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,559 a way of their own, and you know, those who 728 00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:48,760 are doing bad things to us. 729 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. No, you said at Lunton they appreciate 730 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,599 your commentary and your rebellion. Derek, this is fascinating. As 731 00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:59,760 we dig deeper into the subject, please continue. 732 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 7: Well, I would say, you know, there's a lot of 733 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,079 talk about the Nephiline. I have other friends who are 734 00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:09,559 believers who've written books about this. I have a kind 735 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:13,360 of a unique view on this because I was confused 736 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,400 on this. I heard a sermon by doctor John MacArthur 737 00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:18,880 and all of a sudden this kind of fell in 738 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,880 place for me. And this when we read from you 739 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,960 from Genesis six, which is what we're referring to says 740 00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:27,480 the Nephylene were on the earth in those days and 741 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,159 afterwards when the sons of God came to the daughters 742 00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:37,199 of men. In other words, the Nepheylene were on earth 743 00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:41,800 before the sons of God came to the daughters of men. 744 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,320 What that tells me is that the Nephylene were a 745 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,480 human race, just like there's a race of midgets, there's 746 00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,039 a race of you know, unique people here and there. 747 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,519 The Methylene were giants and they were not. They were 748 00:43:57,519 --> 00:43:59,960 on the earth before the sons of God came town 749 00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:04,960 and the sons of God or the angels, the fallen angels, 750 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,559 I should say, decided to concentrate on the Nephelene and 751 00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:13,400 work with them to raise up the whole How can 752 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,239 I say, tribe of nations that they could control. Now, 753 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,039 think about this, if you're an evil spirit and you're 754 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:24,960 wanting to take over the earth, you're not going to 755 00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:28,519 go to the shortest people or the meddle people, or 756 00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:31,079 the overweight people. You're going to go to the biggest 757 00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:33,639 and strongest people. Because if you're going to raise an army, 758 00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:36,400 you're going to go to the strongest and biggest and 759 00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:41,039 largest people. Out there and there are fossils of human 760 00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,960 beings that are twelve feet tall that people will run across, 761 00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:48,599 and they are possibly even taller. I could go into 762 00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:52,159 things before the flood why human race was bigger and 763 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,679 smarter before the flood, but the bottom line is I 764 00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,519 do not believe that these are half breed human and angels. 765 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,079 Speaker 3: I think it's interesting. Derek, Yeah, this is interesting, and 766 00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:06,559 just to jump in here really quick, this is interesting 767 00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:08,760 on the darker side of science fiction. I don't know 768 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,800 if many people have seen it. Maybe many people may 769 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,559 have the movie Prometheus, which is actually somewhere embedded into 770 00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,960 the alien not aliens from outer space, but the Alien series, 771 00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:21,280 Like there's a Gorney Weaver alien that also talks about 772 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,679 a race of giants, but they go on another darker 773 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,920 path on this. But the point of the matter is, 774 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,320 see how in science fiction, which is cool. You know, 775 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,360 everybody can have their ideas of what monsters and things 776 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,199 might lie out there. But again, focusing on what you're 777 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,920 talking about, the Nephelene, that's an interesting I haven't heard 778 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,039 much or even know anything about them, so thanks for 779 00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:41,960 enlightening us and Tony. Always a pleasure to hear what 780 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,199 you have to say about these great subjects with great guests. 781 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,639 Please continue, Derek before we run out of time. 782 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:48,280 Speaker 17: Yeah. 783 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,800 Speaker 7: Well, just just going back to Nepheline briefly, is that 784 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,639 because somebody asks Jesus, there's a question that comes up 785 00:45:54,760 --> 00:46:00,119 in another context, and Jesus says that in the in 786 00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:03,920 a new life, people will be like angels, because angels 787 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,639 are not do not marry and are not given in marriage. 788 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:14,119 So the idea that these angels are fallen angels actually 789 00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:18,440 pro created with human beings, it's not that case. What 790 00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:22,119 they did I believe is that they they how can 791 00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:27,599 I say it? They possessed a baby Nepheline from birth. 792 00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:31,760 And you know what you see a person who's possessed 793 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,639 by a demon, they are very strong. Can you imagine 794 00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:39,679 if their baby was possessed by it from earth, by 795 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,119 a demon, how that would affect their life and their 796 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,760 ability and their strength. So you have a race of 797 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,719 giants possessed from birth. But the reason is is that 798 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:55,119 when God created angels, he didn't create them to pro 799 00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:58,719 create like he did human beings. He created them there 800 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,199 was a certain number and that was it. And basically 801 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,840 so they're not And it's interesting you see in Greek 802 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,719 and Roman geology this idea of half man half gods 803 00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,519 that sort of came out of this whole idea of 804 00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:17,159 the Nephelene. But that wasn't really a half man, half 805 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:22,199 god because and another reason is you see pictures of 806 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,360 the grays and the other things, there are no genitals 807 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,480 on these beings, exactly strange. So their ability to affect 808 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,920 a new race is basically simply what they normally do 809 00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:38,519 is possession, and God stopped that. 810 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,679 Speaker 3: Well, Derek, many people have said this is going into 811 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,000 deeper research. I'm sure many of our listeners can chime 812 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,719 in on this. That many of the so called grays 813 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,159 of the different species that are alleged to existing out 814 00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:52,840 there in the cosmos, somewhat they I'm visiting us. Many 815 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,760 of them come in three, as they say, look at 816 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,039 the Barney and Betty Hill situation. Threes, threes. But here's 817 00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:03,599 the important part. No genitalia on these grays. But the 818 00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:06,320 simple way of looking at it. Many people have hypothesized 819 00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:10,199 that they're really robotic entities, that they're not really the 820 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,440 quote entity of the alien itself. They're doing the work 821 00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:17,039 like we have robots now. Elon Musk and all these 822 00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:21,480 companies that that's what those messengers are that are transmitting 823 00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:25,199 and traveling wherever they're traveling. However they're doing that transdimensionally 824 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,880 or in other ways. But I don't know. This is 825 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,719 just so fascinat but I want to remind the listeners 826 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,920 and we do our best always to get everybody on 827 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,440 the line. Francis in New York, please stay on if 828 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,880 I don't get you to this hour. Mike in Lower 829 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,000 East Side, Frank in the Bronx, and Jakin Massachusetts will 830 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,800 do everything we can if your patients can hold and 831 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,920 continuing to discuss with us our very special guests in 832 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,280 the Theater of the Mind. Derek warfilm author and filmmaker. 833 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,559 Go to his website to check out no matter what 834 00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:57,559 your belief system is, ufosangodbook dot com, anything else I 835 00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,440 left out before we close out Hour number one ways 836 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,440 to get in touch with you and some exciting things 837 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,400 that are coming up on your agenda schedule. 838 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 7: Well, just go to the website. There's some podcasts there, 839 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,000 there's for some freebies there, some articles that I've written, 840 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:17,000 there's a trailer for the film. You know. Basically, there's 841 00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:18,960 a lot of stuff there. So go there and if 842 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,920 you want, you can pre even pre order the book. 843 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,599 The book's coming out July. I'm sorry July. It's August twenty. 844 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 3: Fistes for many. 845 00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:30,440 Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, there you go, so it's not that far away. 846 00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:34,480 And yes, that's what I would say. I would definitely 847 00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:36,280 like to talk a little bit more about the idea 848 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,840 of robots. I've done some research on that. 849 00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,599 Speaker 3: Sure, we have plenty of time. Absolutely, Okay, you know 850 00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:44,000 that'd be something that we can get into. We go ahead, 851 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,280 We've got a few more minutes. And I hate the 852 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,599 rush people, but give us your intro to that. I 853 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:48,079 appreciate it. 854 00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:53,159 Speaker 7: Well, I think you know. The concept is most people 855 00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:57,800 have seen the film Avatar, right, yes, And a friend 856 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,920 that I met at La Marzouli said that basically the 857 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,039 one thing that hit him was maybe these are avatars 858 00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:10,400 in these evil spirits do not do well in inhabiting 859 00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:15,719 our three dimensional space. So what they do is they 860 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,320 have created like a what can I call it a 861 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,880 biological suit that they can enter into and maneuver in 862 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,840 our space. For example, we send we send robots to Mars. 863 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,760 We can't exist on Mars, okay, but we can send 864 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,920 a robot there control it and study Mars. Of course, 865 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,599 in the film Avatar, you have Jake basically was paraplegic 866 00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:42,760 or quadriplegic and he couldn't move it all, but they 867 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,519 gave him a robotic body that he could go out 868 00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:50,679 and travel in this planet. And it's entirely possible that 869 00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:53,639 that's what we're seeing. Even in a UFO community, you're 870 00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:58,800 hearing this term saber, which is synthetic. Let's see synthetic 871 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:04,639 autonomous biologue, robot. And I have heard some people, and 872 00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,960 again this is secondhand, but there have been people who've 873 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,119 been abducted and taken on these ships and they see 874 00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:14,280 almost what looks like a closet with a bunch of 875 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,320 hanging gray skins so to speak. 876 00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:21,559 Speaker 3: Right, robotic suits or some kind of thing. Rdies are 877 00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:25,360 not real. These are robotic entities that you're talking aboutout. 878 00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, is there anything in the Bible that would validate that? 879 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,000 And there is. Jesus says that when a demon was 880 00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:38,559 cast out of a person, they travel over waterless spaces 881 00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:41,480 and looking to find some rest, they come back to 882 00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:44,440 the person they were cast out of and enter that 883 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,760 person again. Well, what is the waterless space? I mean 884 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,519 sixty percent of our bodies are water. Okay, And if 885 00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:54,239 you remember when Jesus was going to cast out a 886 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:59,440 demon from the demons, from the Garandine demoniac, they begged 887 00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:01,559 him send to send to the pig, send us into 888 00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:05,960 the pigs. They seem to need like a biological suit 889 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:12,280 to comfortably exist in our realm. Now, hoping angels don't 890 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,320 have that problem, but fallen angels may have lost the 891 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:20,119 ability to manifest in our three dimensional space without some 892 00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:22,960 sort of biological suit. And there's one other thing that 893 00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:27,079 proves that too, is that the people who study these 894 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:33,159 grades say that they will die. Well, angels don't die. 895 00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:35,480 Speaker 3: And we got to take that break. Derek, You're on 896 00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,559 a good role here more with Derek Warville back as 897 00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:41,480 we manage the timespace continue in one, eight, four, eight, 898 00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:44,000 nine to two to two two. How fast an hour 899 00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:47,199 goes when you have great guests and amazing callers with 900 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,960 the concept of what's going on in the universe. The 901 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,199 author Derek Warville UFOs and God a biblical perspective that 902 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,400 might have some answers as we do deep research about 903 00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,760 the mysteries around us. We'll be right back. 904 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,840 Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky experience entertaining and informative. 905 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:20,480 Speaker 1: On the Red Apple podcast Network. Always look to the Sky. 906 00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:27,719 Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky Experience is on the air seventy seven WABC. 907 00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:31,639 Speaker 1: Now here's Doctor Sky. 908 00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:35,639 Speaker 3: Welcome to your weekend and for many another listening live. 909 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,920 Welcome to August twenty twenty six, right here from the 910 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,800 powerhouse blow towards signal Talk Radio, seventy seven WABC and 911 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,920 proud to be broadcasting from the center of the universe, 912 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,159 New York City, to the nation, in the world and 913 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,719 possibly out into the cosmos. Welcome to the Doctor Sky Experience. 914 00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:56,559 A show if you're listening to us regularly you know, 915 00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,440 but for those new listeners out there, a show that 916 00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:01,840 opens up our minds about the mysteries of the universe, 917 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,840 the realms of astronomy, space, aviation, and weather. We call 918 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,039 it a theater of the mine. And we wouldn't be 919 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:10,519 able to do this without our helmsman Bill and Jackson 920 00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:14,159 navigating the airwaves. The contact number one eight hundred eighty 921 00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:17,480 four eight nine two two two. And in this special 922 00:54:17,519 --> 00:54:21,519 adventure on the Doctor Sky Experience, we're speaking with Derek Warfel, 923 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,960 author and filmmaker of a book that takes a more 924 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,840 biblical approach to the mystery of UAP's UFOs, UFOs and God. 925 00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:33,320 But before we do that, a quick interlude as we 926 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,480 break from the normal topics and talk a little bit 927 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,760 about some amazing things that are happening in the heavens. 928 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,639 Get set for a Falcon nine rocket booster that's going 929 00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:44,920 to be impacting on the Moon that occurs August the 930 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,639 fifth at two thirty five a m Eastern daylight time 931 00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:51,159 our Pacific daylight time friends, eleven thirty five PM on 932 00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,320 August fourth. It is about a sixty foot long rocket 933 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:59,039 booster that launched previous spacecraft to the Moon intentionally slammed 934 00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:01,800 into the Moon. To see what happens when something that 935 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,559 big and that size, it could theoretically be visible and 936 00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:07,920 small telescopes that, of course, you'll have to check out 937 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,639 if you just check out the headline and google Falcon 938 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,199 nine booster rocket impacting the Moon and in August we 939 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,760 get as the beginning of August one of the great 940 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,800 meteor showers of the entire year, the Perseods. And for 941 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,800 those fortunate enough to be on the other side of 942 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,280 the globe. On the twelfth of August, starting from Iceland, 943 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,480 portions of Greenland and down off the areas of the 944 00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:33,000 coast of Spain, another of the total solar eclipses. Let's 945 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,239 continue with our very special guest, and we continue by 946 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,679 going to the phone lines, and we welcome on line one, 947 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,239 Francis and New York. You've been patient here on with 948 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:42,960 Derek warfol How are you. 949 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,400 Speaker 16: Hi there. I'm not in New York anymore. I'm in Arizona. 950 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:54,320 But oh, this has been very interesting listening to this 951 00:55:54,559 --> 00:56:00,360 because of some experiences I've had over the years, and 952 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:08,320 under anesthesia, I took an amazing trip and I didn't 953 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,320 see God, but I heard God and what he told me, 954 00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:16,000 And someday I'll get it all to you. But I 955 00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:21,320 do feel that we have spiritual beings around us, and 956 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,639 I think this split came from jealousy when an angel 957 00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:33,400 wanted more power and then it became angry and evil 958 00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:38,079 and that separated the good from the bad. And so 959 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,440 we deal with that today. But there's so many, so 960 00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:46,639 much stuff that's happening that's going on now that's so 961 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,079 evil in the world. It's like people need to wake 962 00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:53,800 up and realize where do they want to be forever? 963 00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:57,239 Do they want to be with God or do they 964 00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,800 want to be in an evil place. 965 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,760 Speaker 3: Couldn't agree more Francis. And I'm sure, Derek, you have 966 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,440 a lot of inspiration to add to what Francis just said. 967 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,880 Speaker 7: I'm sure, oh absolutely, I think you know. The point 968 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:18,599 is that our consciousness will survive death. We live in 969 00:57:18,639 --> 00:57:21,159 a body, and we have a body that one day 970 00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:27,639 we will be resurrected. Everyone will the good and the evil. 971 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,119 Jesus talks about that, but the evil will go to tradition, 972 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,800 and the good will go to those who know, who 973 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:38,480 have accepted Jesus will go to be in heaven. And 974 00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:43,599 the important thing is you need Jesus says himself. I 975 00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:48,199 am the Way, the truth, and the life. It's almost 976 00:57:48,239 --> 00:57:49,880 like it's not a car that's going to get there, 977 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,280 it's not a spaceship that's going to get there. It's 978 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,000 Jesus himself. And if you get to know Jesus, you 979 00:57:56,079 --> 00:58:00,280 will be with him in heaven. And so that's the 980 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,599 thing I encourage ever to who's listening. If you've never 981 00:58:02,679 --> 00:58:05,639 accepted Jesus, you need to do it. You need to 982 00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:09,159 basically stop following your own desires and follow the one 983 00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:12,480 who created you and you know, to give you the 984 00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:16,199 most full and complete life and protect you from evil. 985 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,000 The one thing I want to get back to here 986 00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:23,119 that you've mentioned is about the spirits. The apostle John says, 987 00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:26,239 test the spirits, because not every spirit is from God, 988 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,480 and you've got to beware. And there's two major tests 989 00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:32,920 that the Bible gives us. How do we know if 990 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,920 this is an evil spirit that's deceiving us, or a 991 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,800 holy spirit or a good spirit. The first test is 992 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,079 the test of doctrine, the teaching of the spirits. If 993 00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:47,000 the spirits deny God's existence and say that they see 994 00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:49,320 to us here, if they deny that Jesus is the 995 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,519 son of God. The apostle Paul says, if someone else 996 00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:56,719 comes and teaches a different gospel, or even if we 997 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,920 came and taught a different gospel, even if an angel 998 00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:03,159 came and taught a different gospel, let him be accursed. 999 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,639 And the gospel Paul teaches is very clear in First 1000 00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:11,000 Corinthians fifteen that Jesus came, who died for our sins, 1001 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,000 who was resurrected, and you know he appeared to more 1002 00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:19,559 people after that. If you believe and follow Jesus, that's 1003 00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:22,079 the main thing. The second test is the one Jesus 1004 00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:26,079 gives us. He says, you'll know them by their fruits. 1005 00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:30,159 A bad tree can't produce good fruit. So you look 1006 00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:32,199 at the fruits, and what are the fruits of these 1007 00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:36,079 these space beings, the fruits are. They hurt people, They 1008 00:59:36,119 --> 00:59:39,119 take someone like Travis Walton, They destroy their lives. We 1009 00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:42,639 have people in our film whose lives have been completely 1010 00:59:42,679 --> 00:59:46,039 destroyed by these people. They share their faith that destroyed 1011 00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:49,719 their finances, their family, their health, and of course they 1012 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,239 say to you, oh, we're not going to hurt you, 1013 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,159 and then they hurt you. You know, so that there's 1014 00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:57,000 a sense in which you look at what they do 1015 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:02,280 and look at the the fruits, and the fruits are bad. 1016 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,800 You look at the teaching. The teaching is bad. This 1017 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,599 is not a holy spirit, this is not a good angel. 1018 01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:11,000 This is an evil angel. 1019 01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:14,480 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that perspective. And Francis, thank you 1020 01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:17,360 for being part of our show. Here the Doctor Guy 1021 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,840 experience has heard around the world, around the world, and 1022 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,199 what even otam to the eusmart Universe and Cosmos. Thank you, 1023 01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:26,400 Francis for being part of our program. Let's continue with 1024 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,000 the callers. They've been very patient. Line number two, Mike 1025 01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:31,039 in the Lower east Side. Good morning, you're on with 1026 01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:32,679 Derek warfur Well, thanks to your patients. 1027 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,840 Speaker 14: Go ahead, good morning, doctor's guy and Derek, Yeah, there's 1028 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,119 there's you know, Jesus Christ I think said I'm going 1029 01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:43,239 to come back, like don't look for signs. Who wonder 1030 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,920 I'm going to come back. I think his second coming 1031 01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:48,199 like a thief in a night, So be ready. You know, 1032 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,480 but there's one story in the Bible where, you know, 1033 01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:56,320 speaking of a molecular structure, how Jesus Christ was able 1034 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,320 to change his molecular structure will walk through walls and 1035 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,679 stuff like that. And uh, there's one story in a 1036 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:07,599 Bible where King wanted Israel curse. So he goes to 1037 01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:10,559 a prophet I think his name was Elijah. So he 1038 01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:13,199 takes his donkey and he goes he's going to Israel, 1039 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,679 and all of a sudden, the donkey stopped and the 1040 01:01:18,159 --> 01:01:21,280 guy that with the prophet started whipping the donkeys. So 1041 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,000 the donkey speaks to him and says, why you hit me? 1042 01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:28,079 He speaketh to him in language and he's why you're 1043 01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:32,159 hitting me? And then all of a sudden, the angel appeared. 1044 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,400 First it appeared to the donkey. So that's why he stopped, 1045 01:01:35,679 --> 01:01:40,480 but then he appeared to the prophet you know, I 1046 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,079 think it was Elijah and uh and and then he 1047 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,000 realized that he wasn't going to go and curse Israel. 1048 01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:52,079 So yeah, you know, but there's one of the things 1049 01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:55,400 that I think we're made out of the image of God. 1050 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,519 You know, Jesus Christ was God. And when we have 1051 01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:03,280 the power over angel to command Satan in the name 1052 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,840 of Jesus Christ to leave us. So if you're getting attacked, 1053 01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:08,599 and you could prove it to yourself, if you're getting 1054 01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:13,039 attacked and attacked and attacked from the from the morning tonight, 1055 01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,559 and you got to know it's coming from an evil, 1056 01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:19,960 evil spirit. So and you say, in the name of 1057 01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:25,519 Jesus Christ, I command you Satan to leave. Eric or 1058 01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:29,639 doctor s guy, I want you could feel Satan leaving 1059 01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:32,159 your body, so you could prove it to yourself. Man, 1060 01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:34,760 God is real, Jesus Christ in real life. I've been 1061 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,320 through it all. I tried to well, it was a 1062 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,159 crazy bike in my life, my whole life, and I've 1063 01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:40,639 found the Lord Jesus Christ. 1064 01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:44,119 Speaker 3: Man, God, blessings to you. Mike. Your story is very, 1065 01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:47,559 very impacting, Derek. How could anything that Mike's saying, not 1066 01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:50,119 be powerful. I mean, it's just so incredible. There you go. 1067 01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:54,199 Speaker 7: Well, no, he's absolutely right. He talks about actually the 1068 01:02:54,239 --> 01:02:56,599 prophet day One, who is kind of a false prophet, 1069 01:02:56,679 --> 01:02:59,440 but uh, and this king had hired him to go 1070 01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,599 and curse Israel. And he was riding a donkey, and 1071 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,920 the donkey saw what Balem could not see, that there 1072 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,440 was a literally angel standing in his path who would 1073 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,880 destroy the donkey. And the donkey kept going off to 1074 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,440 the side, and Balem beat the donkey. Said why are 1075 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,679 you doing this? You're right first time in history. The 1076 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,679 donkey spoke and said, take a good look. Well, I'd 1077 01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:28,599 say we probably have. Believe there's a lot of donkeys 1078 01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:33,000 that still speak today, but they wear political carb But 1079 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,280 the bottom line is that the donkey could see this 1080 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:42,079 invisible being here said possibly another dimension, and the same thing. 1081 01:03:42,239 --> 01:03:46,440 There's other examples. Elijah himself woke up one morning. His 1082 01:03:46,599 --> 01:03:49,400 servant woke up and looked to the hills, and he 1083 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:54,039 saw this whole host of foreign army ready to come 1084 01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:57,880 and take you know, Elijah and his servants and beat 1085 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,800 them up. And they were scared. And the servant said, 1086 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,880 what are we going to do. And Elijah said, Lord 1087 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,639 opened his eyes. And he opened his eyes and he 1088 01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,559 saw behind this whole army there was a host of angels. 1089 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,920 And he realized, oh my gosh, they're there. I didn't 1090 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,480 see them. And this gets back to the dimensional thing. 1091 01:04:18,159 --> 01:04:20,920 Let me, I didn't get to that earlier. But think 1092 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,000 about this a second. We know that with one eye 1093 01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:28,800 you can see two dimensions, right, but you can't see 1094 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,760 the third dimension with one eye. It's appears just to 1095 01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,679 be flat. But when you have two eyes, you can 1096 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:39,880 perceive a third dimensional distance. Well, here here's the philosophy. 1097 01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:44,079 Suppose you see the creatures in the Bible, angels that 1098 01:04:44,199 --> 01:04:48,639 have many eyes. You know, maybe if you had four 1099 01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:52,079 eyes you could see another dimension. 1100 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:52,480 Speaker 14: You know. 1101 01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,679 Speaker 7: I don't know. But the bottom line is that we 1102 01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,440 can only see three dimensions. But maybe God give us 1103 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:05,519 the ability to see more than three dimensions. And I'm 1104 01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:07,039 trying to think of some of the other things he 1105 01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:11,719 said about the seas in the night. He's absolutely right that, 1106 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,559 you know I talked to before about Jesus said I 1107 01:05:14,639 --> 01:05:17,480 am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Yes, when 1108 01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:21,360 he comes back again, he will take those people who 1109 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,960 believe in him to be with him. But if you're not, 1110 01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:30,559 if you haven't believed in him, the words are pretty rough. 1111 01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:32,559 I mean it says, when the Lord Jesus will be 1112 01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:36,280 revealed from heaven with its mighty angels in flaming fire, 1113 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:41,159 that he will basically, you know, purse all those who 1114 01:05:41,199 --> 01:05:44,920 have rejected him and do not obey his gospel. So 1115 01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:48,239 you absolutely should be ready because there won't be a 1116 01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,800 lot of warning. It'll just come very rapidly. 1117 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,519 Speaker 3: And so Mike, thank you in Lower East Side. Not 1118 01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:56,159 to cut everybody short here, but wow, you're really lighting 1119 01:05:56,239 --> 01:05:58,199 up the phone lines, and that's an indication to me 1120 01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:02,239 as the host that obviously it's a powerful subject. We'll 1121 01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:04,760 continue on line number three. We say hello and good 1122 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,880 morning to Frank and the Bronx. You've been patient. You're 1123 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:07,960 on with Derek warfour. 1124 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,719 Speaker 18: Thank I'm try. Thank Derek. So a couple of things. 1125 01:06:12,159 --> 01:06:15,440 It almost against the devilic. So you know, God say 1126 01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:19,079 the universe. He praised science, the u S free world 1127 01:06:19,679 --> 01:06:22,880 and the willing to run with it. So today we 1128 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,840 we tend to think about what's possible now, like for 1129 01:06:26,119 --> 01:06:29,119 the next few years. And when you think about the 1130 01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:34,719 crumple world, things done since us because it's hard to 1131 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:46,119 comprehend what's possible life speed, it's positive stiric impossible in 1132 01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:52,360 the quantum world. We've had war Steed and I. 1133 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:53,320 Speaker 13: Believe that. 1134 01:06:55,519 --> 01:06:57,639 Speaker 18: The Many station I don't have the land on it 1135 01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:02,760 on Earth by now, and you don't understand their meaning 1136 01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,039 is ahead of a fluey. They're ahead of up by 1137 01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:10,119 a lot, and so teleportation is not a magicerent thing 1138 01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:13,559 to think about. They can be and lo it and 1139 01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:17,760 Telephonte themselves doct versus them, Let's have the and well 1140 01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:19,840 whoever they are. 1141 01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:23,559 Speaker 3: So m hmm, Well, Frank, you bring up some good points, 1142 01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:26,320 but again it sounds like your phone no no disrespect 1143 01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,719 to you, is suffering from the solar flair effect there. 1144 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,840 But Derek, I don't know if you heard much of 1145 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:31,880 what Frank was saying there. 1146 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:33,920 Speaker 7: If you want to call, I didn't. I didn't get 1147 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,880 a lot. He said. I think something about what's possible 1148 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,960 and what's not possible, right. 1149 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:39,800 Speaker 3: I think I. 1150 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,360 Speaker 7: Apologized, Frank. I really tried to. There's a lot of 1151 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,400 clicking and it was kind of rough. 1152 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,760 Speaker 3: Frank. Really, I appreciate you, my brother, for being part 1153 01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,360 of the show, just that we obviously had difficulty timing 1154 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,000 hearing you. I don't know what it is. We're hearing 1155 01:07:52,039 --> 01:07:54,480 a lot of clicks in a lot of calls. Well, 1156 01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:56,000 we'll try to investigate what it is. 1157 01:07:56,039 --> 01:07:59,119 Speaker 7: But well I would I would say this, it gets back, 1158 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,199 it gets back to you know. There's a quote again 1159 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,360 I mentioned this maybe before from Arthur Conlin Doyle, the 1160 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,880 guy who was the road about Sherlock Holmes, and there 1161 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,400 was a dictum that he said. He says, once you 1162 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:18,840 eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, is probably what's true, 1163 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,399 you know. So, I mean the thing is, when you're 1164 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:28,319 dealing with these areas of spiritual things, you can't always 1165 01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:32,279 nail everything exactly. God hasn't told us everything we'd like 1166 01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:35,439 to know. But what I tried to do in the 1167 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,199 book is I try to eliminate the impossible, and once 1168 01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:42,800 that's out of the way, then you have a good 1169 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:48,279 overview of what is really probable. And frankly, the idea 1170 01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,520 that these are that we can travel fast in the 1171 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,720 speed of light, that we can do these other things, 1172 01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:59,960 I think that they're not possible. And you can tell 1173 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:04,279 tell that these are not holy angels, they're not good 1174 01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:08,319 spirits by what they do and what they teach, and 1175 01:09:09,159 --> 01:09:11,960 they hurt people. I mean, it's interesting in the film 1176 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,079 Disclosure Day, you know, it seems like the only people 1177 01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:20,319 who got hurt were the space aliens were in reality, 1178 01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:24,359 we have countlee examples in the book and in our 1179 01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,680 film where it's the humans that get hurt by these 1180 01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,600 beings who say we're not going to hurt you, and 1181 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,680 then they do. They perform experiments on you, right. 1182 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,359 Speaker 3: And we don't want to scare people. I mean, look, 1183 01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:36,479 we don't want to scare people. These are the opinions 1184 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,000 of our guests. These are the opinions of people out there. 1185 01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:41,199 But again, as the host, I want to kind of 1186 01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:43,720 formulate this and focus it a little more with a laser. 1187 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,199 And you're doing fine, and so are the callers. It 1188 01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:47,800 is that I want to get to more of your 1189 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:52,319 experiences about different times in the Bible that we could 1190 01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:56,399 actually relate to about these mysteries, because the UFO phenomenon 1191 01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,479 is just not an eighty year old situation. But let's 1192 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,720 continue as time permits here with as many of the 1193 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,560 callers as we can get on in what we call 1194 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,119 the Theater of the Mind. Line number five, Jake in 1195 01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:08,680 Massachusetts you've been patient. Good morning, Thank you, you're on 1196 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:09,000 the air. 1197 01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:13,439 Speaker 12: Good morning, doctor guy in good the morning of the guest. 1198 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,399 I wanted to ask you that either one of you 1199 01:10:16,039 --> 01:10:19,680 have followed the career of doctor Donald Hoffman from California, 1200 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,039 the scientist from California. 1201 01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,840 Speaker 3: I have not, sir, But I don't know. Derek, have you? 1202 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,479 Speaker 7: I don't tell me a little bit, please, I don't. Yeah. 1203 01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,880 Speaker 12: Well, for the past forty years he's been studying the 1204 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:36,159 nature of reality through actual scientific experiments, not religious experiments, 1205 01:10:36,199 --> 01:10:39,560 and he's come to he's written several books on the 1206 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,760 nature of reality, and he's come to the conclusion that 1207 01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:46,800 as human beings, one of the chances that we see 1208 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,800 reality as it really is, and he said it's zero percent, 1209 01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,159 and he's quite fractual about it in his books and 1210 01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:56,279 his zero percent. Now I'm going to tie this in. 1211 01:10:56,319 --> 01:10:59,239 I'm sure both of you have heard about neo death experiences. 1212 01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:01,760 Speaker 3: Correct, I've met many who've had them. I have not. 1213 01:11:02,119 --> 01:11:04,000 But what about you, Derek, you have ever had one? 1214 01:11:04,079 --> 01:11:04,880 Or no? People love that. 1215 01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,840 Speaker 7: I've never had a Dear Jess experience. I've studied a 1216 01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:09,960 little bit about it and read a lot about people 1217 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:10,920 who've gone through that. 1218 01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:16,079 Speaker 12: Yes, I haven't had either, Derek, but I've heard maybe 1219 01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,399 five hundred near death experiences, and they're not they're not dreams, 1220 01:11:20,399 --> 01:11:23,600 they're not they're not fantasies. They are actual experiences like 1221 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,840 you and I are talking right now, and these experiences 1222 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,319 tie in. I believe not they talk to Donald Hoffman 1223 01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:31,640 has said this, but he said that since we don't 1224 01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,239 see reality as it is, he's trying to uncover the 1225 01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:39,560 real nature of reality. And he says he's around seventy 1226 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,520 years old now, he's been studying this in a mathematical 1227 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,199 way for forty years, and a lot of scientists have 1228 01:11:45,319 --> 01:11:48,479 jumped on board and his writings and have joined him 1229 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,960 and a grained that what he said was evolution. The 1230 01:11:52,359 --> 01:11:56,319 evolution was for physical fitness, for the survival of the species. 1231 01:11:56,359 --> 01:11:59,399 And it got in the way of us seeing really reality, 1232 01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,079 whether you want to college, spiritual reality or whatever. It 1233 01:12:02,119 --> 01:12:05,520 got in the way of human beings seeing reality. And 1234 01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,159 it's fascinating. And he's been on a lot of interview 1235 01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:12,640 shows and podcasts and many many scientists have signed on 1236 01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,439 to him, as doctor Robert Lanzer of MIT and many 1237 01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:17,640 many other scientists. 1238 01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,920 Speaker 3: Well, Jake, would you do me a personal favor of 1239 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,760 my email here just Drsky at WABC radio dot com 1240 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,960 if you don't mind at your convenience, if you just 1241 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,640 send me an email. I don't have the ability to 1242 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,920 write everything right down here and take time away from 1243 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,640 our guests and of course the callers. But what you're 1244 01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,239 saying is fascinating because again my relationship with doctor rodgerd 1245 01:12:36,279 --> 01:12:39,800 Mitchell of Apalla fourteen. Without going too much and be verbose, 1246 01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:42,439 he was obviously somebody that had the out of body 1247 01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,760 experience to the moon and back, laughed at by many 1248 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,439 of his Apollo comrades. But the big thing is his 1249 01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,000 involvement with the Noetic Institute and what he called the 1250 01:12:52,079 --> 01:12:55,760 quantum hologram relates a lot to what you're talking about, Jake. Derek. 1251 01:12:56,039 --> 01:12:58,399 Sorry to cut you for short on that, but isn't 1252 01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,079 that fascinating what Jake's bringing up? Consciousness? 1253 01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:05,920 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, no, absolutely. I wouldn't say that we have 1254 01:13:06,079 --> 01:13:09,079 no notion of reality. I would just say it's incomplete. 1255 01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,960 We have certainly a notion that when you see a 1256 01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,640 red light, you don't cross the street, okay, but there's 1257 01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,880 so much more that we don't see, you know. It's 1258 01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:24,720 like you know, the occult. The word occult means hidden things. 1259 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,039 There's a lot we don't know. The Bible even says 1260 01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:31,800 in Deuteromy twenty nine twenty nine that the things revealed 1261 01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,560 are for us and our children, but the things not 1262 01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,479 revealed are for God alone, you know. And so there's 1263 01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,039 things God has told us and there's things he hadn't. 1264 01:13:40,399 --> 01:13:42,880 So I mean, but I disagree with the one thing 1265 01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,520 I would disagree with. Like Hinduism and Buddhism says we 1266 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,239 live in a world of illusion. I don't believe that. 1267 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,399 I believe that we live in a world of complete understanding, 1268 01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:59,720 and our assuming is is certainly limited. But I think 1269 01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,600 the other the thing about you're talking about near death 1270 01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:06,319 experiences is that there's so much more. There's a really 1271 01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:10,279 good book, Imagine Heaven, and it's for those who are Christians. 1272 01:14:10,319 --> 01:14:13,920 And you're worried about NDS. This guy's a Christian pastor, 1273 01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,359 and you know, I take everything with a lot of skepticism, 1274 01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,279 but as I read this, I realized that these people 1275 01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:25,079 experience something beyond the reality. And even the apostle Paul 1276 01:14:25,319 --> 01:14:28,800 talks about being caught up into the Third Heaven. He 1277 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,720 was stoned and left for dead at one point, and 1278 01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,800 possibly he had a near death experience, and he said 1279 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,760 he heard things inexpressible that he was not allowed to repeat. 1280 01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:41,720 And he kind of hints at that in First Corinthians 1281 01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,920 chapter one, where he says the eye is not seen, 1282 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,960 the ear is not heard, nor is the tongue of 1283 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,039 man able to express all that God has in store 1284 01:14:51,119 --> 01:14:54,680 for those that love him. In other words, basically, there's 1285 01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,479 a lot more to life than we see and hear. 1286 01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:03,720 So I would agree with this doctor that our understanding 1287 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:07,000 of reality is very limited, but I wouldn't say it's 1288 01:15:07,039 --> 01:15:07,880 completely wrong. 1289 01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,800 Speaker 3: No, it's interesting. Jakin messagestts, thank you so much, and 1290 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,960 I appreciate the information here. That's what this is all about, 1291 01:15:15,039 --> 01:15:18,000 right Derek, bringing people together yep, and having them express 1292 01:15:18,039 --> 01:15:21,760 their opinions. Excuse me on these amazing subjects that lie 1293 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,840 out in the universe, and tying in again, ladies and gentlemen, 1294 01:15:25,079 --> 01:15:29,680 the connection between UFOs and God. Our special guest, Derek Warfow. 1295 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,640 Excuse me, he continues with us, as we move toward 1296 01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:37,279 the bottom of our number two. What's fascinating. We have 1297 01:15:37,319 --> 01:15:40,840 about four minutes here before the big heartbreak. I wanted 1298 01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:42,479 to see if you can just describe to us, give 1299 01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,840 us a couple of quick examples, and maybe it takes 1300 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,000 longer into the next part of what you talk about 1301 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,960 in the Bible, experiences that the Bible writes about about, 1302 01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:53,680 like Jacob's wheel, I mean, things of this type, all 1303 01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,000 these amazing sightings that are recorded in the Bible. Give 1304 01:15:57,079 --> 01:15:59,720 us a couple of examples about what might be related 1305 01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,520 to UFOs or uap is in what you've studied. 1306 01:16:04,079 --> 01:16:07,439 Speaker 7: Well, you know, I mean, there's certainly you know, there's 1307 01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:11,800 Ezekiel's wheels, where he basically said he had a vision 1308 01:16:12,279 --> 01:16:15,680 and he saw four angels and he saw this throne 1309 01:16:16,399 --> 01:16:19,399 that these angels are transported, and then there were wheels 1310 01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,479 beneath the thing and it looks a lot like a 1311 01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:27,079 machine that it also looks like angels, and you know, 1312 01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:30,439 it's it's it's a little hard to understand, but I 1313 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:36,039 believe that angels do create and can create machines, you know, 1314 01:16:36,119 --> 01:16:40,560 So this idea that we would see flying saucers is 1315 01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:45,079 not weird. In other words, anything that we can do, 1316 01:16:46,199 --> 01:16:50,520 angels can do better. God created them much smarter, much 1317 01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,800 more powerful than we are. And so this concept that 1318 01:16:55,319 --> 01:16:58,319 you know, we look at these spacecraft, these flying saucers 1319 01:16:58,319 --> 01:17:00,840 that do these amazing things that even our best fighter 1320 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:05,439 jets can't do. Doesn't mean that they weren't created by 1321 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:10,920 fallen angels. The thing that's different about disappearance and maybe 1322 01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,640 other things in the past with the Egyptian gods and 1323 01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:19,359 the other gods, is that they're using machines. But that 1324 01:17:19,399 --> 01:17:23,279 shouldn't throw us off. I mean, angels can create machines 1325 01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:28,199 just like we can, and much better. For instance, the 1326 01:17:28,199 --> 01:17:32,359 Bible calls human sheep okay, cheap, are some of the 1327 01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,600 dumbest animals on the farm. Okay, they get lost, they 1328 01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:40,600 break their legs. The Bible never calls angels sheep. They 1329 01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:44,399 are very smart, very intelligent beings, and they're out to 1330 01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,880 trick us. They are the best, the fallen angels. They 1331 01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,279 are the best con men in the universe. And what 1332 01:17:51,399 --> 01:17:55,439 they're doing, I believe with this whole UFO thing, is 1333 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,560 one huge con to get us to follow them, because look, 1334 01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:02,199 oh my gosh, look at these cramps. They can go 1335 01:18:02,359 --> 01:18:05,359 forty thousand to two hundred thousand miles an hour. They 1336 01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:09,600 can disappear. They don't have exactly they don't have a 1337 01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,159 sonic boom. They can do things we can't do. Maybe 1338 01:18:13,279 --> 01:18:15,920 we should be listening to them about the basic questions 1339 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,640 of life. Why are we here? Who are we? What's 1340 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,359 our purpose? You know? Why are we listening to this? 1341 01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:25,439 Thus the old prophet from two thousand years ago called Jesus, 1342 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,000 you know, And I think it's a huge con because 1343 01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:33,600 they their primary goal when they rebel against God is 1344 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:38,319 to get people to follow them and not God or Jesus. 1345 01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,960 Speaker 3: Well, we'll continue on the other side of the heartbreak 1346 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,399 here the doctor Sky experience with the Theater of the 1347 01:18:43,399 --> 01:18:46,680 mind is getting filled in, but never too many people. Again, 1348 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,439 you coun you too can be part of the conversation 1349 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,960 one eight four, eight nine to two too. We will 1350 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,000 do our very best to get Edgar in the Bronx 1351 01:18:55,039 --> 01:18:58,880 on Robert and Philadelphia, if Frank in Astoria and Lois 1352 01:18:59,119 --> 01:19:02,399 in Manhattan all very patient as we continue to move 1353 01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,479 deeper into the darkness of the cosmos. But on a 1354 01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:09,199 bright side, talk about the obvious opportunity to learn so 1355 01:19:09,319 --> 01:19:12,399 much from our special guest Derek warfol in his opinion 1356 01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,079 about how we can talk about and relate UFOs and 1357 01:19:16,119 --> 01:19:19,880 God and maybe they have some sort of biblical explanation 1358 01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:22,680 that is up to you in the Theater of the Mind. 1359 01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:23,640 We'll be right back. 1360 01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:30,479 Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky Experience entertaining and informative on the Red 1361 01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:39,560 Apple Podcast Network. This is the Doctor Sky Experience. Always 1362 01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,479 look to the sky seventy seven WABC. 1363 01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,520 Speaker 1: Now here's Doctor Sky. 1364 01:19:54,640 --> 01:20:01,960 Speaker 11: Cross the boundary into the unknown, where gravity bends, the 1365 01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:09,000 light and time itself stands still. 1366 01:20:09,039 --> 01:20:18,439 Speaker 19: This is the edge of existence, where everything ends and 1367 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:34,000 eternity begins again. Past the event horizon. There is no 1368 01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:35,439 turning back. 1369 01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,279 Speaker 3: The Church has been caught off guard before by the Enlightenment, 1370 01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:49,520 by Darwinism, by liberal theology. UFOs are next, and the 1371 01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,000 church is largely unprepared. We must give believers the biblical 1372 01:20:53,039 --> 01:20:56,439 framework and answers they need, or culture will do it 1373 01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,560 for us. A quote from our special guest Derek Warfol 1374 01:21:00,039 --> 01:21:02,159 as we continue with thirty two minutes after the hour. 1375 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,600 Amazing Derek, how time flies and the callers are still 1376 01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,800 coming in filling out a wonderful time. Here in the 1377 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,640 Theater of the Mind. Line number four, we go to 1378 01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,199 Edgar and the Bronx. You've been patient, good. 1379 01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,800 Speaker 20: Morning, how are you, thank you, thank you. I just 1380 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,920 want to make three quick point to find me. The 1381 01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:24,800 first one that movie with Rennie, the Daily Earth sitt 1382 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,920 still one of the reasons, the main reason that that 1383 01:21:29,039 --> 01:21:31,680 Rennie came to the Earth with his little box is 1384 01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:35,439 to warn them that if they don't stop this, you know, 1385 01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:39,920 trying to bomb themselves in nuclear bombs, you know, because 1386 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:46,079 they were they were polluting the solar system, so they 1387 01:21:46,079 --> 01:21:50,119 would they sent the Rennie in this robot to Earth 1388 01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:55,359 to warn them, if you don't stop polluting the you know, 1389 01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,239 the solar system, you know, we're going to have to 1390 01:21:58,399 --> 01:22:01,640 kill you. So that's that's a point that was made 1391 01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,560 in that movie that I want to swiss as. 1392 01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,239 Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, Edgar. This is amazing because one of 1393 01:22:07,319 --> 01:22:09,720 my favorite movies of all time, and if people look 1394 01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:13,079 at Deep Dive, Michael Rennie of course an incredible actor 1395 01:22:13,119 --> 01:22:16,079 of Days gone by. I'm a collector of I know, 1396 01:22:16,119 --> 01:22:19,720 people laugh at me sometimes of the video discs, you know, 1397 01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,119 the old laser discs, and I happened to find in 1398 01:22:22,159 --> 01:22:25,760 a store it was amazing, an entire collection signed by 1399 01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,760 the producer of that movie. And I had to get 1400 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,960 it because I have a you know player that works. 1401 01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:32,199 But the point is it's one of my favorite you 1402 01:22:32,279 --> 01:22:35,880 brought up something very good, Derek. The interesting part about 1403 01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,039 that movie, please continue. It's just powerful. 1404 01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:42,600 Speaker 7: Yeah. No, I saw that when I was twelve. It 1405 01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,399 was Saturday night that the movie is on, I think 1406 01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,960 one of the networks, and I remember I was like 1407 01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:53,319 sitting there recruiting good Barta Nick two, Baranda, Nick two. 1408 01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:56,760 You don't want to see the earth blown up? 1409 01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:58,159 Speaker 14: Yeah? 1410 01:22:58,319 --> 01:23:03,119 Speaker 7: No, I think you know, certainly there is a warning about, 1411 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,199 you know, our nuclear weapons, and even frankly, even these 1412 01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,359 UFOs today are repeating the same thing that they're concerned 1413 01:23:12,399 --> 01:23:16,079 about what we're doing to the environment and nuclear weapons. 1414 01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,119 But you know, I got to tell you that the 1415 01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:21,920 ones today they talk a lot about they talk of 1416 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,720 good games, just like politicians. Oh this is terrible, but 1417 01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,399 you know what, they don't do anything about it. I 1418 01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:32,520 think that literally, uh, you know, at least from the 1419 01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:36,560 aliens today, it's a con It's not really, you know, 1420 01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,960 it's not I mean, there's a lot of other things 1421 01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,760 that could talk about, you know, I mean, we're I 1422 01:23:43,119 --> 01:23:46,439 think you're right that literally obviously, you know, you look 1423 01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:50,479 at Rake and trying to not just you know, limit 1424 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,960 nuclear weapons, but get rid of them. And I think 1425 01:23:53,039 --> 01:23:55,039 that's something we can try to do. I don't know 1426 01:23:55,159 --> 01:23:58,359 we can ever put the genie back in the bottle. 1427 01:23:58,159 --> 01:23:58,840 Speaker 14: So to speak. 1428 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:05,479 Speaker 7: You know, there's there's a story about the flying machine. 1429 01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,359 I forget who wrote it, but it was the short 1430 01:24:07,399 --> 01:24:10,119 story and it talked about this guy who went to 1431 01:24:10,199 --> 01:24:13,520 the a fictional story, went to the Emperor Japan and 1432 01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:17,119 he said, oh, look, I've developed this flying machine. We 1433 01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:20,680 can see what our enemies are approaching our walls. Because 1434 01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,680 everything was walls back then, as long as you had 1435 01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:25,399 a wall, you're okay. With a flying machine. It can 1436 01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:26,840 go over walls. 1437 01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:27,920 Speaker 13: And the. 1438 01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,479 Speaker 7: Emperor listened very carefully, and then when the guy had 1439 01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:34,319 been left the room, he told his man. He says, 1440 01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,199 kill the man to destroy the machine. 1441 01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:37,920 Speaker 1: You know. 1442 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:42,239 Speaker 7: It's like literally, you know, but of course you can't 1443 01:24:42,279 --> 01:24:47,039 stop progress. It's you know, what you can do is 1444 01:24:47,119 --> 01:24:51,039 you need to try to limit these machines, to try 1445 01:24:51,119 --> 01:24:53,960 to get rid of nuclear weapons and everybody, I mean, 1446 01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,760 the Bible certainly talks about God gave us a commission 1447 01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:00,439 to take care of the world, not to destroy it. 1448 01:25:01,039 --> 01:25:04,399 You've got he told us not to worship it. And 1449 01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:08,479 there's certain elements in society today to believe we should 1450 01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,439 worship the earth. It is called guya worship, you know, 1451 01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,920 Mother Nature. Where do you think that came from? 1452 01:25:14,399 --> 01:25:16,880 Speaker 3: I hear you and it seems more powerful than ever. 1453 01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,079 But this is also a powerful conversation with Derek warfol 1454 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,800 But here I want to add something to the conversation 1455 01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,279 that Edgar brought in from the Bronx. This is interesting. 1456 01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:29,079 Gorge sure the obvious gigantic robot that lends, you know, 1457 01:25:29,159 --> 01:25:33,159 with our good friend Michael Rennie. The interesting part about 1458 01:25:33,159 --> 01:25:36,640 that Edgar into the audience is that the actor Locke Martin, 1459 01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,960 very tall, over seven feet tall, was the guy that 1460 01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,079 they hired to do this. But here's the part that's 1461 01:25:42,079 --> 01:25:45,039 actually amazing from trivia from that movie. He had to 1462 01:25:45,079 --> 01:25:48,479 climb into this like foam suit and they could only 1463 01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,600 film a short amount of time with him in there 1464 01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,640 because it really wasn't you know, it must have been 1465 01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,279 hotter than hell. That's an intertan way to put it. 1466 01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,279 And that's interesting Edgar, because they only had a short 1467 01:25:58,279 --> 01:26:00,640 time to be able to shoot this, and a lot 1468 01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,359 of times he would want to be crawling out of 1469 01:26:02,359 --> 01:26:05,119 that thing. Imagine that you're in a foam suit and 1470 01:26:05,159 --> 01:26:07,800 you're supposed to move, but that's a little bit of 1471 01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,479 trivia from the day the Earth stood still. Thank you 1472 01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,479 Edgar and the Bronx. Let's continue here. A good friend 1473 01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,600 of ours and a regular caller to the Doctor Skuy 1474 01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,439 Experience Line one, Robert in Philadelphia, You've been patient. 1475 01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:22,119 Speaker 4: Good morning, Hi, Doctor Skuy is always just wonderful to 1476 01:26:22,199 --> 01:26:24,800 talk to you. I appreciate your show and your guests. 1477 01:26:25,079 --> 01:26:25,399 Speaker 3: Thank you. 1478 01:26:26,279 --> 01:26:28,600 Speaker 4: Now. I was raised in a children's home that was 1479 01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,960 run by Lutheran nuns and no horror stories. They were 1480 01:26:32,199 --> 01:26:34,920 wonderful women. They were very loving. They did suck a 1481 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,319 good job with us, and they took us to church 1482 01:26:37,359 --> 01:26:41,239 and I went to Sunday School. I even read the Bible. Okay. Now, 1483 01:26:41,399 --> 01:26:45,039 I always have a positive view of Christianity and Christians, 1484 01:26:45,039 --> 01:26:48,000 but it never took with me. I've never seen evidence 1485 01:26:48,039 --> 01:26:51,279 of divinity, so I don't believe in divinity. I've also 1486 01:26:51,359 --> 01:26:55,840 never seen any proof that there's other dimensions. The only 1487 01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,439 reason we theorize about other dimensions is because our current 1488 01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,319 math doesn't work for our universe. So they're going to 1489 01:27:02,359 --> 01:27:04,880 tell us there's other dimensions. There must be. It sounds 1490 01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,520 like an excuse to me. I would suggest they go 1491 01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,479 check their math. Now having read the Bible, there's things 1492 01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,520 in there. I think the idea of putting all the 1493 01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,479 animals on a boat is an absurd idea. However, we 1494 01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:21,000 could create genetic banks. We could even put one in 1495 01:27:21,159 --> 01:27:24,479 orbit around Earth today if we wanted to, and nobody 1496 01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:28,640 saw that a thousand years ago. So trying to go 1497 01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:32,960 by what our limitations are to say what other million 1498 01:27:33,039 --> 01:27:37,520 year old civilizations in other parts of the galaxy might 1499 01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,920 be able to do is kind of arrogant to me. Okay, 1500 01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,439 we have no idea what will be capable of in 1501 01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:46,319 one hundred years, let alone a million years. I think 1502 01:27:46,319 --> 01:27:49,880 it's entirely possible that they're coming here A without us 1503 01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,039 C and M or B without us being told they're 1504 01:27:53,039 --> 01:27:56,279 coming here. We don't know, So I'm not saying this 1505 01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:59,399 is the way it is. It's just a possibility to me. 1506 01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:03,319 But I'm getting the impression that for me to wonder 1507 01:28:03,359 --> 01:28:07,159 about this scientific amazement time that we're living in, that 1508 01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:10,119 I'm somehow in league with the devil. And since I 1509 01:28:10,199 --> 01:28:13,239 have such a positive view of princidanity, I would never 1510 01:28:13,399 --> 01:28:15,960 call it a con so I did take a little 1511 01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,319 bit of unbridgediction. So my question is if it's okay 1512 01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:23,279 to say that I believe in Ufo when one lands 1513 01:28:23,279 --> 01:28:25,520 on the White House, is it also fair to say 1514 01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,239 that I believe in Jesus when he lands on the 1515 01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:28,680 White House? 1516 01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:28,960 Speaker 13: Long? 1517 01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:34,039 Speaker 3: Wow, Robert, interesting perspective, powerful stuff, Derek from your area 1518 01:28:34,039 --> 01:28:37,760 of religious you know experiences as an author, tell us. 1519 01:28:38,119 --> 01:28:40,439 Speaker 7: Boy, but that could take a couple of ances for 1520 01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,039 all that. But I will just talk about the thing 1521 01:28:43,079 --> 01:28:44,359 I haven't seen. Divinity. 1522 01:28:46,079 --> 01:28:46,359 Speaker 14: You know. 1523 01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:54,239 Speaker 7: The Bible says there's two major proofs of God's divinity. 1524 01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:59,640 One is conscious that within everyone there is a conscious 1525 01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:01,720 attem tells us what's right or wrong. Why do we 1526 01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:05,000 even have that if everything is just random chance? And 1527 01:29:05,039 --> 01:29:07,760 the second thing, and probably the most important thing, is 1528 01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:13,920 creation itself. There's such complexity in design and interests in 1529 01:29:14,079 --> 01:29:19,279 creation that it's hard to explain apart from a superior 1530 01:29:19,359 --> 01:29:23,319 intelligence that's incredibly intelligent strengths. There's a story of a 1531 01:29:23,359 --> 01:29:26,560 man in Africa who lived in this tribe and they 1532 01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:30,319 worshiped the wind and the river and whatever. But he 1533 01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,520 just started looking at his hand one day and he 1534 01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:37,840 realized his hand was so complex. How did it work? 1535 01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:41,880 His parents didn't create his hand. He was born, and 1536 01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:45,079 people said, well, they talk about a god, and there's 1537 01:29:45,119 --> 01:29:47,880 some people two hundred miles away in this mission group 1538 01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:51,479 that talk about a god created everything. And I think 1539 01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:55,239 if you look at the complexity that exists in design, 1540 01:29:55,520 --> 01:30:00,159 in nature, in animals, in our own life, that literally 1541 01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,439 just to say, oh, it'll just came about by chance, 1542 01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:08,399 it's just almost impossible to believe. The other thing you 1543 01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:11,920 talked about is other dimensions. I guess you know, I 1544 01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:16,640 would say, again, how do you explain these beings that 1545 01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,800 simply you know are there. They we track them on 1546 01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:25,279 radar on their ships, and then they disappear. It's not 1547 01:30:25,359 --> 01:30:29,039 like they're going to another planet. They literally go off 1548 01:30:29,119 --> 01:30:34,840 the radar entirely. They've gone somewhere else, right beside where 1549 01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:40,079 we are. And the last thing about the Noah, there's 1550 01:30:40,119 --> 01:30:44,319 a really wonderful exhibit, and I believe it's Kentucky called 1551 01:30:44,319 --> 01:30:47,479 the Arc Experience. If you ever get a chance, go there. 1552 01:30:48,119 --> 01:30:50,960 I mean, they answer a lot of the questions that 1553 01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,479 you're asking because of what's absurd How could you have 1554 01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,319 that many animals on a boat? I mean, they have 1555 01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:01,600 done a lot of research to explain the possibility just logically, 1556 01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:05,640 how that's possible that. Obviously you only need a certain 1557 01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,640 number of You don't have it by species, you have 1558 01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:13,119 it by something larger than species, and they branch out anyway. 1559 01:31:13,119 --> 01:31:14,880 But if you ever go to the arc experient, it's 1560 01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:15,920 well worth going to. 1561 01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:18,760 Speaker 3: Well thank you for that information. Here we're almost and 1562 01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:20,760 I can I feel terrible life. Try to be like 1563 01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:22,920 the air traffic controller. We got to get the planes 1564 01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,800 in and out and make sure that they take off. No, no, no, 1565 01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,079 never be sorry. Hey, this is we have to run 1566 01:31:28,079 --> 01:31:30,880 it by the clock. Otherwise, can anybody out there in 1567 01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:34,039 cyberspace give us another alternative that would be interesting, a 1568 01:31:34,119 --> 01:31:37,520 transdimensional radio show that has no limitations. Not to be 1569 01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,000 a funny guy, but we'll be back here in just 1570 01:31:40,039 --> 01:31:42,600 a moment. What I wanted to mention a very big collash, 1571 01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,520 and I want to thank Robert and Philadelphia for his 1572 01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:48,840 insightful conference. Always yes to the show. There's this big 1573 01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,720 But this would take another thirty forty thousand hours to 1574 01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:55,800 cover the conflicts between Darwinism and creationism. That is a 1575 01:31:55,840 --> 01:32:00,439 subject that's extremely extremely volatile in many areas. To put 1576 01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,159 you in a light, you know that we're going to 1577 01:32:02,199 --> 01:32:04,600 explain it in two minutes but the reality of this 1578 01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,720 is it's such an amazing story when we talk about 1579 01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,880 what you're bringing to the table here and in my synthesis, 1580 01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,039 I'll do this very quickly before we go to the break. 1581 01:32:13,359 --> 01:32:16,159 It seems so far from being a listener from this 1582 01:32:16,279 --> 01:32:18,920 side as a host, that it looks like you're putting 1583 01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,720 this out there in your opinion, that you're seeing more 1584 01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,800 of this, that these UFOs are probably not entities that 1585 01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:28,239 are traveling through time and space with velocities, but more 1586 01:32:28,359 --> 01:32:31,840 likely somehow dimensional, and that in so many words, without 1587 01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,840 bunny words in your mouth, sir, that there's a distinct 1588 01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,680 difference between the good side the alien, you know, not 1589 01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:41,039 the alien the angels, and maybe not to scare people, 1590 01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,039 maybe there's another side to this that needs to be 1591 01:32:44,079 --> 01:32:47,600 explored deeper. What are these entities that are coming to 1592 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,640 us like the Travis Walton experience, the Barney and Betty 1593 01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:54,079 Hill experience that may not be so friendly. And with that, 1594 01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,640 we'll be right back here on the Doctor's Sky Experience 1595 01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,640 and do our best to get everybody on the air, 1596 01:33:00,119 --> 01:33:01,920 and that's going to be a magic trick to do. 1597 01:33:02,039 --> 01:33:03,680 Before the clock runs out, We'll be. 1598 01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:10,159 Speaker 2: Right back the Doctor Sky experience entertaining and informative on 1599 01:33:10,199 --> 01:33:18,720 the Red Apple Podcast Network. This is the Doctor Sky experience. 1600 01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:28,039 Always look to the Sky. Seventy seven WABC. Now here's Doctor. 1601 01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,600 Speaker 1: Sky, Saudi. 1602 01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:33,640 Speaker 21: This is Jim Mars, author of Alien Agenda, the top 1603 01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:37,199 selling non fiction book on UFOs in the world, and 1604 01:33:37,279 --> 01:33:41,720 I'm here to say watch the sky, Doctor Sky. That 1605 01:33:42,079 --> 01:33:44,319 is right here on this station. 1606 01:33:46,399 --> 01:33:48,760 Speaker 3: Forty eight minutes after the hour, we continue as we 1607 01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,640 move their time and space. Derek Warfles, our guest author 1608 01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:54,840 and filmmaker. The callers continue to come into the Theater 1609 01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:57,680 of the Mind Online. Two. We welcome E Frank in 1610 01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:59,920 a story. Thanks for your patience you're on there. 1611 01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,079 Speaker 10: Yes, thank you for taking my phone call Doctor Sky. 1612 01:34:05,079 --> 01:34:08,199 I just want to ask your guest. You know, we're 1613 01:34:08,279 --> 01:34:11,319 a neighbor to the red planet Mars, and they have 1614 01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:16,000 sent up, you know, probes to search the Martian terrain 1615 01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:21,560 and see if there was ever some sort of water 1616 01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:25,640 life there at one time. I want to ask your guest, 1617 01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,199 is it possible that on Mars there was some sort 1618 01:34:29,239 --> 01:34:35,920 of cellular life that might have created uh, some sort 1619 01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,800 of alien life, because I you know, I used to 1620 01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,920 watch this series called The Martian Chronicles. It is a 1621 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:48,119 very large and expensive fiction series of movies and films, 1622 01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:52,119 and they had a perspective on you know, a Martian 1623 01:34:52,199 --> 01:34:55,800 colony there that you know, evolved through an alien race 1624 01:34:55,960 --> 01:35:01,199 that didn't want the Earth people to go there. So 1625 01:35:02,399 --> 01:35:05,600 I know you probably are familiar with the Martian Chronicles. 1626 01:35:06,039 --> 01:35:07,880 Speaker 3: I've seen it in the past. I mean, I can't 1627 01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:10,840 comment on it, but let's move forward. Derek your response, 1628 01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:14,039 because again, Frank, I appreciate you, but the time, we're 1629 01:35:14,039 --> 01:35:15,600 trying to get as many people on with their. 1630 01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:19,600 Speaker 7: Questions, right, Well, I just one thing before I say that, 1631 01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,680 I just want to say I enjoy being on your 1632 01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:25,079 show with so many great people from New York. I 1633 01:35:25,119 --> 01:35:28,359 love the accent. One of the I always I listened 1634 01:35:28,399 --> 01:35:32,720 to ABC, KBC or WABC when I was in New 1635 01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:36,960 Jersey and New York is such. It says such have 1636 01:35:37,039 --> 01:35:39,680 been such a force in this country over many years, 1637 01:35:40,359 --> 01:35:43,880 and I see their forces trying to tear it apart. 1638 01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:45,720 And I just want to let you know in New 1639 01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:47,760 York that I pray for you guys, I really do, 1640 01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:51,479 because New York, the way New York goes, it affects 1641 01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:54,840 the country and in the world right and the world. 1642 01:35:55,399 --> 01:35:57,720 I so much enjoyed being on with you guys and 1643 01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,079 hearing that New York accent. I have. One of my 1644 01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:03,520 best friends is from Long Island, and he has to 1645 01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,079 straighten me out all the time. Anyway, getting back to 1646 01:36:06,119 --> 01:36:09,000 your point about Mars. You know, there's a lot about 1647 01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,800 this universe we don't know. Was there ever life on Mars? 1648 01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:15,119 You know there are scientists that say maybe there was, 1649 01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:18,920 maybe there was water source, maybe there was life. I 1650 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,680 don't believe. I believe, you know, could. The question is 1651 01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:26,560 could could an almighty God have creative life on other planets? 1652 01:36:27,039 --> 01:36:30,760 Absolutely he could. I think the question is did he 1653 01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,680 What are the odds that he did? As a writer, 1654 01:36:34,119 --> 01:36:38,319 as a filmmaker, you know, I'm always trying to come 1655 01:36:38,399 --> 01:36:41,079 up with, you know, novel ways of looking at things, 1656 01:36:41,119 --> 01:36:44,000 creating things that may never have happened, simply to tell 1657 01:36:44,039 --> 01:36:48,119 a good story. I don't personally believe that God did 1658 01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:51,560 create life on another planet or that it evolved from 1659 01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:56,920 cellular life. I believe that literally, even people like Krik 1660 01:36:57,039 --> 01:37:00,880 people who have you know, studied the DNA molecule and 1661 01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,399 basically broken it down. You know, they were saying that 1662 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:08,319 it's just too complex for it had come about by 1663 01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:12,800 chance on this planet or even the Mars. That literally there. 1664 01:37:13,239 --> 01:37:16,279 I mean, you can say maybe God created it and 1665 01:37:17,079 --> 01:37:20,199 developed it, but to say that it came about by 1666 01:37:20,319 --> 01:37:22,960 chance again this guess back to this whole evolution debate. 1667 01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,720 Let me just give you one example. The one person 1668 01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,800 we talked to at Reasons to Believe as an astrophysicist, 1669 01:37:30,079 --> 01:37:33,840 they ran a calculation. What would it take for just 1670 01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:39,920 by random collisions of articles happening even in the universe 1671 01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:44,760 it's as big as ours for even a simple bacterium 1672 01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:48,760 to come about by chance? And he said it was 1673 01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:53,720 ten to the five hundred and fifty six power to one. 1674 01:37:54,319 --> 01:37:59,600 That's ten followed by five hundred and fifty euros to one. 1675 01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:02,880 I mean, the odds against just one, not advanced life 1676 01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,439 but a simple bacteria. Now, by comparison, to win the 1677 01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:09,279 California State lottery, you just need odds of ten to 1678 01:38:09,359 --> 01:38:11,640 the ninth power to one. I mean, what a bargain, 1679 01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:12,119 you know what I. 1680 01:38:12,039 --> 01:38:14,840 Speaker 3: Mean, what a difference. You're absolutely right. 1681 01:38:15,039 --> 01:38:18,239 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like literally the odds of that happening by 1682 01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:22,640 chance by just having some water and some cellular life. 1683 01:38:22,399 --> 01:38:26,760 I personally, I mean, sure anything can happen, right, I mean, 1684 01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:30,000 but when the odds are that high against it, I 1685 01:38:30,079 --> 01:38:32,079 you know you wouldn't go to Vegas and bet your 1686 01:38:32,119 --> 01:38:33,079 life on that, you know. 1687 01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:36,960 Speaker 3: Thank you Frank in the story, it's sorry to cut everybody. 1688 01:38:37,039 --> 01:38:39,159 Sure here trying to get as many people on with 1689 01:38:39,239 --> 01:38:42,680 a full and you know our obvious explanation and a 1690 01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,920 response line three Lois and Manhattan. You've been patient. You're 1691 01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:47,359 on with Derek Warvil. Good morning. 1692 01:38:48,039 --> 01:38:51,199 Speaker 9: Thank you for taking my call. I'm a first time caller, 1693 01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:54,039 and the reason I'm calling is because I got interested 1694 01:38:54,039 --> 01:38:57,880 in you have Fosned nineteen seventies, and by the mid 1695 01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:02,239 late nineteen eighties I already came to the conclusion these 1696 01:39:02,239 --> 01:39:06,960 were like interdimensional and evil. And the reason I came 1697 01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:12,000 to that conclusion was because every encounter that I read 1698 01:39:12,039 --> 01:39:17,039 about or heard about the fruit of it was always 1699 01:39:17,279 --> 01:39:22,479 something bad happened. The fruit was always bad. People got 1700 01:39:23,399 --> 01:39:31,039 the fear, the abduction, the probing, and the radiation sickness. 1701 01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:35,600 Everything was bad. I never heard of one encounter where 1702 01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:42,159 the encounter gave something positive, something good to humanity. Here 1703 01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:45,239 we're so advanced, we know your DNA and this and that, 1704 01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,720 here's the cure for this disease. So I don't want 1705 01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:51,640 to hear them say, oh, these aliens are here to 1706 01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:56,479 help us. Nonsense. Every encounter has been bad. And I 1707 01:39:56,560 --> 01:40:01,159 remember reading an article way back then about the Grays, 1708 01:40:01,359 --> 01:40:03,840 and I don't know where exactly was. I think it 1709 01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,640 was maybe South America, but I'm not sure. It was 1710 01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:10,159 so long ago, nineteen eighty and it said that the 1711 01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:14,680 Grays were appearing in this certain area and they would 1712 01:40:15,399 --> 01:40:19,159 appear in the house and the person would open the door, 1713 01:40:20,119 --> 01:40:23,840 and they would ask permission to come in, and they 1714 01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:26,680 couldn't come in the house unless they were giving permission. 1715 01:40:27,319 --> 01:40:30,319 Some people got scared to this and cried out in 1716 01:40:30,399 --> 01:40:33,880 the name of Jesus. You know, when they would mention 1717 01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:38,720 the name of Jesus, they would disappear. And in terms 1718 01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:42,800 of the physicality, I mean, it's very well known by 1719 01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:48,279 exorcists and Catholic first that the evil spirits work through 1720 01:40:48,319 --> 01:40:53,199 the five senses and the imagination. So the five senses, 1721 01:40:53,239 --> 01:40:57,079 they could make you see something or hear something, or 1722 01:40:57,119 --> 01:41:01,920 even feel a touch or something. And because they work 1723 01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:05,239 through the five senses and the imagination. 1724 01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,800 Speaker 3: No, you bring up some good points. Time is of 1725 01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:09,079 the essence here, and I know, Derek, I would love 1726 01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:10,800 you to have your respond to this, but I think 1727 01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:13,399 in due respect to a couple of other callers, we'd 1728 01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:15,840 like to go to line number four. Roger's calling us 1729 01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,399 from the great state of Idaho. You're on the air, 1730 01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:21,560 and I believe that'll close out this second hour. Sadly, 1731 01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:23,680 we'd love to have more time to do this, and 1732 01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:25,279 if we don't get you on the air, we do 1733 01:41:25,399 --> 01:41:28,199 thank you for being patient on the line. Roger and Idaho. 1734 01:41:28,239 --> 01:41:30,039 If you're with us, you're on with Derek Warfel. 1735 01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,479 Speaker 17: Yes, thank you doctor Sky for allowing me to be 1736 01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,560 a part of the Theater of the Mind. And Derek, 1737 01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:40,239 I see that your book is going to be released 1738 01:41:40,359 --> 01:41:43,760 next month and available on Your ebook is going to 1739 01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:48,600 be available for download on libby, which is available too 1740 01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:52,800 many libraries throughout the nation. I was wondering if it's 1741 01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:58,039 also going to be available in audiobook form. 1742 01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:02,920 Speaker 7: Not audio books yet that's I guess. If there's a 1743 01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,199 demand for it, we'll do it. They I think they 1744 01:42:05,239 --> 01:42:08,600 have a division. I'm a first time author on this. 1745 01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:12,039 I wasn't planning to write a book on UFOs. It's 1746 01:42:12,119 --> 01:42:14,800 just kind of like I was forced to it because 1747 01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:19,640 I just so much nonsense on this subject. You know that, 1748 01:42:20,079 --> 01:42:22,640 but I do appreciate you asking. I just want to 1749 01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:25,039 mention one thing to the prior caller, and this is 1750 01:42:25,079 --> 01:42:28,479 for everybody who's listening, that if for some reason you're 1751 01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:33,439 ever approached by one of these alien presences, understand that 1752 01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:37,359 Jesus will deliver you. We have an example in the 1753 01:42:37,359 --> 01:42:39,720 film where a guy was being lifted off his bed 1754 01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:43,239 by presences. He didn't want to go, and just in 1755 01:42:43,319 --> 01:42:46,159 the moment he called out, Jesus saved me and he 1756 01:42:46,319 --> 01:42:49,479 was dropped back on the bed. The name of Jesus 1757 01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:53,239 has authority over all these beings, and if you call 1758 01:42:53,279 --> 01:42:56,680 on him, he will help you. But yeah, thank you 1759 01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:58,720 for the interest in it. It's coming in. The book 1760 01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:02,119 is coming out soon. The website UFOs and god all 1761 01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:04,960 the information there's there's a lot of freebies there and 1762 01:43:05,039 --> 01:43:09,840 look for the film September eleventh. Because the film gives testimonies, 1763 01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:14,319 examples of people who've gone through this, and I think 1764 01:43:14,399 --> 01:43:18,000 we try to do a good job of being even handed, 1765 01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:20,039 but you have to make up your own mind. 1766 01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,840 Speaker 3: Well, Derek, Derek, No, no apologies for the time limitations, 1767 01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,600 but again, thank you for your expertise. Derek Warvill author 1768 01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:29,000 and filmmaker. You'd like to go to a website. It's 1769 01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:33,880 UFOs and godbook dot com. Thank you, Roger and Idaho. 1770 01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:36,119 Sorry we couldn't get you on. Robert and Riverhead or 1771 01:43:36,199 --> 01:43:39,479 Vinnie in West Virginia. Try us next time because we're 1772 01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:41,760 going to continue with this. My open door question to 1773 01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:44,239 you is would you be willing to come back here 1774 01:43:44,279 --> 01:43:46,600 and discuss this and further ince as time goes on. 1775 01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:49,119 Oh yeah, And I think that's awesome. It's an obvious, 1776 01:43:49,399 --> 01:43:52,359 simple answer, but I think it's a powerful one, very 1777 01:43:52,359 --> 01:43:55,840 interesting information here on the Doctor Sky experience. Not only 1778 01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:59,000 great guests but also the great callers that come in 1779 01:43:59,039 --> 01:44:02,159 with lots of inspiration and they stay on measure. This 1780 01:44:02,199 --> 01:44:05,279 is awesome. And they also think in the critical thinking 1781 01:44:05,399 --> 01:44:09,079 type of response, which is what's good here. Derek Warfel, 1782 01:44:09,239 --> 01:44:11,239 thank you so much. And I'm sorry for the shortness 1783 01:44:11,239 --> 01:44:14,600 of the two hours. We could probably do four hours 1784 01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:17,119 on this subject, and I'm sure we would have many more, 1785 01:44:17,279 --> 01:44:19,760 many more callers, So we'll do it again soon. And 1786 01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:22,279 I do thank you for being part of the Doctors 1787 01:44:22,279 --> 01:44:23,079 Guy experience. 1788 01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:25,039 Speaker 7: Well, thank you. Yeah. 1789 01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:27,720 Speaker 3: Always, the privileging on it. Thank you ladies and gentlemen, 1790 01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:31,239 especially to our helmsman Bill and Jackson. And also stay 1791 01:44:31,279 --> 01:44:34,600 tuned to this radio station. Powerful information coming up here, 1792 01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:38,479 and also to download the WABC app. Why not because 1793 01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:40,359 if the Theater of the Mind is one of your 1794 01:44:40,399 --> 01:44:43,399 favorite with the Doctor's Guy Experience, you can also learn 1795 01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:46,199 so much more about the many rooms that are in 1796 01:44:46,239 --> 01:44:50,199 this great app on talk Radio seventy seven WABC. This 1797 01:44:50,319 --> 01:44:53,399 powerhouse blowtarch signals. I like to call it well over 1798 01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:55,560 one hundred years strong, and I'm sure we're going for 1799 01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:59,800 another one hundred. Stay tuned to WABC for another side 1800 01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:03,479 of midnight as Lionel takes you into the first sunrise 1801 01:45:04,119 --> 01:45:07,439 of August twenty twenty six. Thank you so much. Clear 1802 01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:10,760 Sky's good health. Don't forget there's an impact headed to 1803 01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:14,680 the Moon on the evening hours of the fifth and 1804 01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:17,000 the morning hours of the fourth for the West coast. 1805 01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:19,399 It may be visible on a small telescope, but we'll 1806 01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:21,680 talk about it later, and you can learn so much 1807 01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:26,279 more about it by googling the SpaceX Booster rocket hitting 1808 01:45:26,279 --> 01:45:27,680 the Moon. See you soon. 1809 01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:45,039 Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky Experience entertaining and informative 1810 01:45:45,159 --> 01:45:47,279 Speaker 1: On the Red Apple Podcast network