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<v Speaker 1>Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly flapping

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<v Speaker 1>his wing big down in a forest.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it gonna cause the tree fall, letting five thousand

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<v Speaker 2>miles away. Man, you think nobody seen, nobody else see.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to know. Man, Like you followed another

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<v Speaker 2>story and you got back like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I still win. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't blackly dag on the panel. Man, Man, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>don't matter. Man, I don't pay anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So, uh, Lee, is is we getting World War three?

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly hope so, Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's one of those things where it's like

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<v Speaker 1>my feelings on this have really been uh compromised, Uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not by my own principles, not by my

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<v Speaker 1>own body of work, but mainly by the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone on any side of this issue has become so

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<v Speaker 1>irritating that I just simply do not want to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>it at all. Yeah, it's like the obviously you have

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<v Speaker 1>the the the big fans of the war, who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>almost immediately after basically being given like you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>their version of Christmas and I don't know what that

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<v Speaker 1>holiday is in that religion, but you got them right,

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<v Speaker 1>you got Kamaedie. And then like four hours later, they're like, now,

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<v Speaker 1>what we really need to do is get Turkey. You're like, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, man, jeez, yeah, come on the hutzpah if

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<v Speaker 1>you will. But also, uh, every one of these sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like you know, quote unquote kind of based you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and desionists is just a imediately reverting to the most

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cartoonish anti colonial, anti Western stuff. You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I is it possible for both of you to lose?

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<v Speaker 1>Because really, I guess the side I'm pulling for now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's been an unfortunate, you know, series of

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<v Speaker 2>events on the timeline. And while I do agree, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, I would have I would have much rather

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<v Speaker 2>glassed Turkey long before I ran, just just as retribution

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<v Speaker 2>for them flooding the US firearms market with really bad shotguns.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, look, we can't glass Turkey too soon because I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't actually figured out if my Turkish MP five works yet,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd at least like to get through one RMA

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<v Speaker 1>cycle before that entire country's PREDU stashes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fair enough, that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, that's a special level of cope where you're not

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<v Speaker 1>even arguing that you won't have to, you're just hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to get the gun fixed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you just exactly yeah, yeah, yeah, you need to

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<v Speaker 2>send it back for finishing and the corrections and then

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<v Speaker 2>then maybe it'll run.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I feel like this is the it's a much

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<v Speaker 1>more honest version of politics, which is just setting aside

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<v Speaker 1>any pretense at principles, really whatsoever, taking everything back to

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<v Speaker 1>how does this affect me? And really, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>consider myself now heavily vested in the future of the

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<v Speaker 1>Turkish government because of a singular consumer purchase.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Jay Burdon, Turkey's number one guy.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite things to do with really any

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<v Speaker 1>any foreign people at all is to learn just enough

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<v Speaker 1>about their nation to make sweeping and offensive generalized statements

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<v Speaker 1>with little to no backing. So hanging out with a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of guys right from various Balkans countries, I be

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<v Speaker 1>honestly still don't understand. I'm with one of my buddies

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<v Speaker 1>who's like, his family's been here forever, his farm is

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<v Speaker 1>deeded by the king, right, like the most American person

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<v Speaker 1>on the planet, and he doesn't know these guys. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, hey, you know, just like be cool, don't

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<v Speaker 1>say anything weird, Like yeah, sure, I'll introduce you to everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I walk in them like, hey, yeah, this is my buddy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an arch Albanian nationalist, and then just leave the room,

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<v Speaker 1>just throw them into Yeah exactly. Do I know which

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<v Speaker 1>one of them hate Albanians? No, are any of the

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<v Speaker 1>Albanian Quite possibly, But I do know. I've used social

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<v Speaker 1>media to know that someone will get mad about that,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah, No, I don't. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Man. The the timeline, The trouble with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of this is the timeline was on a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>rapid decline really ever since the Charlie Kirk shooting and

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<v Speaker 2>and like all these events obviously Charlie Kirk shooting, the

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<v Speaker 2>war in Iran, I mean, these things. The nature of

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<v Speaker 2>these things is unpleasant and unfortunate. So I'm speaking as

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<v Speaker 2>it relates specifically to my unregretted user. Second, on the

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<v Speaker 2>X application, it's the quality of things has really been

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<v Speaker 2>going downhill as people become further and further detached from reality.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you're when you're talking about like like a war,

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<v Speaker 2>it's particularly difficult for people because you of course have

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<v Speaker 2>a high degree of uncertainty like that, you know, things

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<v Speaker 2>are unfolding very quickly. Things. You know, many things are

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<v Speaker 2>clandestine in nature, and the information that is made public,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, always has an angle to it, like like

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<v Speaker 2>nothing coming out of any non US based accounts has

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<v Speaker 2>any there's just no reason to believe any of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's there's only a little bit of reason to

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<v Speaker 2>believe the stuff that comes out of American based accounts,

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<v Speaker 2>and so you know, people just get out over their

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<v Speaker 2>skis and they start, uh, you know, you get a

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<v Speaker 2>fair mix of like, oh, well, there's no way this

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<v Speaker 2>could go wrong. It's just gonna be no big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>It is what it is, like, it's going to be awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you know there's people like, oh, it's all over,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's just this is the end, this is it.

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<v Speaker 2>The midterms are over, the maga is over, the country

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<v Speaker 2>is over, you know, all that kind of thing, and it's, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very it's very frustrating to just consume while scrolling

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<v Speaker 2>because so little of it is actually based in any

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<v Speaker 2>any type of discernment. And I know there's a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not exactly when to talk because most of my

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<v Speaker 2>stuff is just inflammatory shit posting, but it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's kind of the mode of the Twitter account.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not pertaining to be like an O s end

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<v Speaker 2>account or something like that. And so it is annoying

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<v Speaker 2>watching people who are generally posting better takes or otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>intelligent just absolutely coming unglued one way or another over

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<v Speaker 2>things that are by definition unfolding in real time and

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<v Speaker 2>very open ended and uncertain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you really have to. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>give the Iranians credit because for seemingly no reason, like

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't quite figured out the strategic desire here, but

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<v Speaker 1>they have done something that I have long wanted to do,

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<v Speaker 1>which is to uh send highly explosive ordinance into Dubai

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<v Speaker 1>uh much much like the Iranian regime. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a great reason either, but it just sort of offends

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<v Speaker 1>me as a city. So you know, if we're we're

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<v Speaker 1>assigning you know, who's who's you know, your team in

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<v Speaker 1>this obviously like okay, yeah, my government's involved, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>something you know, they're there are people like me who've

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<v Speaker 1>been you know, forced into this, So that's that's one

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<v Speaker 1>part of it. But also, I mean, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>if I had explosive drones, what would I be doing

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<v Speaker 1>with them, So you know, I have to admit at

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<v Speaker 1>least that that kind of bias going into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and it's uh, you know, every time I

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<v Speaker 2>stop to get a monster or you know, protein bar

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<v Speaker 2>or something, the counter at every gas station in the

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<v Speaker 2>fucking country has a little section of fake like Dubai chocolate,

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<v Speaker 2>which I don't you know, euphemism aside, I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know what that means. Like I see the rapper and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, it looks like this is a small chocolate

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<v Speaker 2>bar with like some green shit on the inside of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't like it at all. It's it's new.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like new things, especially you know when they

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<v Speaker 2>come from places like Dubai, and it makes my already

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<v Speaker 2>bad gas station experience even worse. And so if they

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<v Speaker 2>have to eat a couple of strays, you know they

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<v Speaker 2>going to charge that one to the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Well in addition, because I actually you bring that up

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<v Speaker 1>in complete agreements, I'm confused by the presence of this

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<v Speaker 1>to buy chocolate, because I don't know if I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen anyone buy it. It just seems to stay there forever.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's the result of some sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>a TikTok trend Yester month or something like that. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>but for some reason, every seven eleven in America has

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<v Speaker 1>just decided to take up like fifty percent of their

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<v Speaker 1>counterspace with this one product.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and it has the same like spiritual vibe as.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>How how a fair portion of like the American the

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<v Speaker 2>African American community seems to really enjoy having food brought

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<v Speaker 2>to them that is just extremely elaborate for no reason,

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<v Speaker 2>Like like they'll go out to a steakhouse and pay

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<v Speaker 2>like five hundred dollars to have a shitty steak brought

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<v Speaker 2>to them because it's in like golden tinfoil or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels to me like that's the same consumer experience

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like I don't think, like what was wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with just a regular ash hershe's more or something like

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<v Speaker 2>I think the chocolate bar was fine. Now it's on

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<v Speaker 2>the counter next to like CBD gummies and you know

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<v Speaker 2>it's got a vegetable inside of it for some reason

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever that is, and I don't like it. I

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<v Speaker 2>could do without it. And so if Dubai you know,

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<v Speaker 2>goes down, yeah, a fiery storm of fucking swarming death

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<v Speaker 2>drones yeah, it's fair enough, fair enough that you know

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<v Speaker 2>these things. Everything, everything has a price.

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<v Speaker 1>Well look, uh Lee, you're a gym goer, a fitnessman,

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<v Speaker 1>so maybe you can explain this today. When and why

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<v Speaker 1>did every kind of low rent fitness influencer decide to

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<v Speaker 1>move to Dubai all at once? Because I don't pretend

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<v Speaker 1>to really pay attention to that world, I find it, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of bizarre. It seems to me to be kind

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<v Speaker 1>of solved science, and yet we are still creating new

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<v Speaker 1>jacked guys and giving them millions of dollars for being

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<v Speaker 1>jacked guys, and then you know, selling supplements or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>H But in my very brief research, it did seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be like that Dubai was the kind of mecca

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<v Speaker 1>iraqically enough for that that's where you went, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like Miami is for like really irritating uh streamers or

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah sure yeah, looks maxers. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>we're calling them now, people who get frame mugged and

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<v Speaker 1>Cortisol Spike. Do you have any do you have any

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<v Speaker 1>insights to offer early now?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I presume it's money. There's been some type

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, renewed or or buddying interest in like.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe it's the same thing as the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Instagram models getting the dubai jo will.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think, uh, there there's some Yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a mix. There's some some organic interest from the like

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<v Speaker 2>wealthy faction of the Arab world to get into like

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<v Speaker 2>Western style athletics, like the like golf for combat sports,

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<v Speaker 2>uh you know, Instagram fitness influencing that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then of course there's you know the more uh

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<v Speaker 2>more base uh Arabian desire to defecate on Caucasian females

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<v Speaker 2>in exchange for what to them is tremendous amounts of

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<v Speaker 2>money and what to the Arab guy is a tiny,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pittance. So I think that's basically it.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I mean, you know, you came up through the

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<v Speaker 1>uh libertarian space, or at least you did for this

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<v Speaker 1>for the purposes of this next joke. So I mean, really,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just an efficient market, right, we have uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>uh very wealthy men uh just you know, looking for

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<v Speaker 1>a dissolution, and uh who are we to in any

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram, and so you know, it just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>To your to your point about the whole uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of like bizarre excessive displays of wealth from

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<v Speaker 1>like that's kind of cool. And then you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>laundering scheme, and then you realize like, oh wait, like

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<v Speaker 1>eighty percent of the population just lives on welfare. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like this is a very bizarre society. Yeah, obviously you

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<v Speaker 1>late stage, late stage capitalism type of type of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>analysis on it. But I just do not understand it fundamentally.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's funny. It's like I enjoy it because

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<v Speaker 2>unlike and maybe this is you know, like a shitty

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<v Speaker 2>that I am, and I think to myself, like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what do they do? Like what can I learn from

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<v Speaker 2>the way that they solve problems or consider things or

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<v Speaker 2>that type of deal. But when I see, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just like I feel the same way about that guy

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<v Speaker 2>as I do about seeing George Floyd driving around in

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<v Speaker 2>like viewed with respect or admiration, and at least for me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not, you know, it's just like this is the

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<v Speaker 2>like this is this is like the most hood rich,

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's a good way to describe. It's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like you took an entire you basically took an entire

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<v Speaker 1>country and just let them win the lottery. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>somehow it's still going on, right, Yeah, there's some like

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's why they call it black goal is because

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<v Speaker 1>And the worst part is, at least allegedly, right, it's that,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like all of that all that wealth with no

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know Henny and Swishers, Right, it's like you

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<v Speaker 1>don't what's the brother to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just just play pimping, that's uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a yeah, it's a weird. It's a weird thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And viewed through that lens, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>obvious that I ran was the wrong target. Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like it would have been. It would have been way

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<v Speaker 2>funnier if we had just randomly just really fucking hit

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<v Speaker 2>Dubai just for like no real reason at all other

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<v Speaker 2>than just they're they're like, uh, extreme opulence. Like if

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<v Speaker 2>we just did it to just like knock them down

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<v Speaker 2>a peg, like, it would be really funny to watch

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<v Speaker 2>a tens doing gun runs on like rows of police ferraris.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that would that would have been much better.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and they, as far as I know, they

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<v Speaker 2>have no real way of fighting that off like it

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<v Speaker 2>at least as poorly as it has performed. At least

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<v Speaker 2>Iran had the common sense to have some type of

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<v Speaker 2>military posture. I don't even know that Debai has anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I think that this is, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of conversations going around like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>why did this happen? I said, we know why, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>really you know, gazing into the crystal ball. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that, you know, as our new strategic footing needs

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<v Speaker 1>to just be the you know, to to really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of bamboozle everyone by just doing things because they're funny.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you know, we have this strong precedent with

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<v Speaker 1>the Maduro raid, you know, hitting him with with the

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<v Speaker 1>goy beam, just reducing like forty Cuban guys to like

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<v Speaker 1>a bowl full of spaghetti. Yeah, that's pretty funny. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but who else is on your doesn't make sense, but

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<v Speaker 1>it would be funny. List I'm going to go out

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<v Speaker 1>on a limb and say, Cherokee.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>We obviously there's some unfinished business there, but they've been

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<v Speaker 1>complaining a lot or yeah, I don't know. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>that they have, you know, just you know, put up

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<v Speaker 1>another easy win on the board.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be funny if they did. Who's the Who's

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<v Speaker 2>the Twitter guy? Dakota Lakota Man? That would be a

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<v Speaker 2>good one for the FBI. It's just him in person

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<v Speaker 2>like Pere Uh yeah, I mean as far as Nation

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<v Speaker 2>state actors. I don't know though.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to send like, you know, like a Delta

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<v Speaker 1>Force or Seal Team six in but with like Sharp's

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<v Speaker 1>car beams and swords, just to like, you know, world

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<v Speaker 1>time sake, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would be funny, uh to like hit France

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<v Speaker 2>and capture Emmanuel Macrone and just give him like an

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<v Speaker 2>atomic wedgie, you know, and just like live stream it

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<v Speaker 2>and then just leave. You don't kill him or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. You just really humane.

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<v Speaker 1>Pimply give him sex reassignment surgery just to make candas

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<v Speaker 1>o One's right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you know that would be that would be funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think Turkey would make sense to attack just

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<v Speaker 2>by merit of being Turkish. Like, think of it this way,

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<v Speaker 2>if we had handled the Turkey problem fifty years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>the young Turks never would have streamed like that show

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<v Speaker 2>would not have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and we could get all the all the

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<v Speaker 1>millennial types on it or like on side, just by

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<v Speaker 1>using the justification of Hassan Piker. It was sending his

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<v Speaker 1>dog to like conversion therapy. God, it's for the dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, She's like really no, but you know we needs Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be funny to strap Hassan Piker to a missile.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you say? I don't know if I don't he's

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<v Speaker 2>that's I think.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're so, I don't know if this is true.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not editing it out anyway. I think that you're

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<v Speaker 1>safe with cartoonish, like wily coyote esque threats.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're like I, I you know, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>drop like an acb uh and on his head. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like paint to paint a vista onto a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a cliff face outside his house and have

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<v Speaker 1>a run into it, or you know, pull out a

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<v Speaker 1>bridge underneath him and and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah fall until he looks down and and that would

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that would make like think about how much

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<v Speaker 2>more popular Massad would be if instead of doing ship

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<v Speaker 2>like blowing up people's pagers or you know all the

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<v Speaker 2>other stuff, if they just did like funny pranks like

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<v Speaker 2>like what if they like it's just like Jim from

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<v Speaker 2>the Office style pranks like Israel Stock would go way up,

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<v Speaker 2>especially with with with young people. Like if if Massad

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<v Speaker 2>agents went into like Iran or you know whatever and

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<v Speaker 2>just like strategically placed like I don't know, like a

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<v Speaker 2>rake outside of Comane's front door so that he stepped

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<v Speaker 2>on it and just like smacked him in the face,

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<v Speaker 2>and then like every time a bodyguard ran out to

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<v Speaker 2>save him, there was another rake smacking you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>it just kept happening just like a cartoon. That would

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<v Speaker 2>be much better for Massade. The whole conflict would be over,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone would get along, they'd all be friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean maybe that's why they they you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the footage of Epstein didn't sell. It's gone missing. This

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<v Speaker 1>is because he did a you know Jim Helper stare

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<v Speaker 1>at the camera and then Dooj's like he's just too charismatic.

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<v Speaker 2>We could Yeah, yeah, Massade comes in. They sneak into

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<v Speaker 2>the prison, They slide him his food and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a noose that's fully fully encased in jello.

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<v Speaker 1>It cuts back to jeff to Jeffrey Epstein talking to

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<v Speaker 1>the camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he just looks up at the prison camera with

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<v Speaker 2>the Jim Halpert look, you know, he's like, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>fucking news to doing. It was a giant thing of jello.

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<v Speaker 1>Just laying back full walks in with an entire pot

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<v Speaker 1>or like a full of chili just drops. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows. Maybe that's how the koib actually works, right,

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<v Speaker 1>is that the Delta forest just walked in with the

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<v Speaker 1>thing full of chili and then they have to play

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<v Speaker 1>the little urns.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, after it, they say you're either coming with us

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<v Speaker 2>or we're gonna publish the video of you falling into

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<v Speaker 2>this giant puddle of chili struggling to get out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like I had no choice. Now I'm getting getting

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<v Speaker 1>paraded through New York like it's a Roman cry up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, yeah, it's uh, I don't know it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is kind of an interesting, uh situation. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't know when you're planning on releasing this.

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<v Speaker 2>Things could have taken it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I am planning on releasing this almost immediately, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I severely behind on content.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if this comes out more than probably two hours

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<v Speaker 2>after re record it, all of this information you know

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<v Speaker 2>well expired.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, how awful are we gonna feel if

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<v Speaker 1>like I go to bed, you know, and I set

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<v Speaker 1>this to come out, you know, tomorrow at eight and

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<v Speaker 1>at like seven thirty, I get on the computer and

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<v Speaker 1>I see du Bai reduced to ashes hit by Iranian duke.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, like like like we're here talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>this whole thing would be better if it was just funny.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. You schedule it for eight am, and at

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<v Speaker 2>like four am, like seven nukes go off around the country,

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<v Speaker 2>just like massive dirty bomb attacks.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a horrible radiation poisoning. And the last thing

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<v Speaker 1>I think before I you know, gray out, my hair

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<v Speaker 1>falls out, is like, should have hit released just a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes early.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, right, you know it should have been more whimsical. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it is. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, if we're speaking about the real consequences of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this war or whatever, you've spoken about the very real

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<v Speaker 1>timeline informations. But uh, I think our leaders really need

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<v Speaker 1>to be much more considerate of how much of a

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<v Speaker 1>bummer this could be for the podcast Americans, which like,

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<v Speaker 1>look like, I don't know, Donald, I've only got but

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<v Speaker 1>so much material on this If you could wrap it

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<v Speaker 1>up quickly, I really appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, A protracted engagement is of course difficult for

423
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<v Speaker 2>content producers, you know, which which is war as hell.

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<v Speaker 2>That's uh, you know how it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh boo hoo, my my legs got blown off.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never walk again. Yeah, well I had to think

427
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<v Speaker 1>of what to say for several weeks on end, So

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's keep your problems in perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I do think, uh, I don't know, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of like actual stuff. I think it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of interesting that Marco Rubio came out what a few

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<v Speaker 2>hours ago and basically said, yeah, we had to do

433
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<v Speaker 2>this because of Israel like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty anti Semitic of him to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it's kind of intriguing in a way because

436
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:36.039
<v Speaker 2>it's like, on one hand, a lot of people like

437
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<v Speaker 2>going into it. It's just like a yeah, it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like, uh, you know, I don't know, kind of

439
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<v Speaker 2>an unspoken or at least a something that only gets

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<v Speaker 2>discussed in like a roundabout manner. So it is interesting

441
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<v Speaker 2>for someone to just come out and be like, yeah,

442
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<v Speaker 2>we did this because Israel like they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>do it, because I mean, he basically made comments to

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<v Speaker 2>the effect that Israel was going to attack I ran regardless,

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<v Speaker 2>and if they carry that out while we were not

446
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<v Speaker 2>in the current posture that we're in, Uh, our casualties

447
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<v Speaker 2>would have been significant, our ability to you know, defend

448
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<v Speaker 2>would have been less than what it is. Uh. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really I don't know, I don't really know. Uh why.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess like that just seems like one of those

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<v Speaker 2>one of those comments that maybe you save for like

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<v Speaker 2>a hot mic moment or something like that, Like that's

453
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<v Speaker 2>an interesting public comment to make, I guess, uh, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's obviously going to be extremely unpopular and for good reason.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's it's kind of like well, this

456
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<v Speaker 2>is I guess it's the first very clear rift too,

457
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<v Speaker 2>and like messaging, because the messaging on this has been

458
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<v Speaker 2>pretty tight where it's just like, Okay, we're doing a

459
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<v Speaker 2>limited engagement, you know whatever, regime change war because this

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<v Speaker 2>is like an imminent threat to the United States, and

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<v Speaker 2>then like two or three days later in the Secondary

462
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<v Speaker 2>States like, oh, you know Israel like the and uh,

463
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know, that's that's an interesting shift.

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<v Speaker 2>On one hand, it's like I don't think we're used

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<v Speaker 2>to that level of just candor about the nature of

466
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<v Speaker 2>our relationship in the Middle East with Israel people. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like an unpopular topic in our circles on Twitter,

468
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<v Speaker 2>but I am I don't know. I mean, can you

469
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<v Speaker 2>think of the time we're like an actual, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>cabinet level official was just like, yeah, Israel's going to

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<v Speaker 2>do this either way, so we kind of had to

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially from Marco Rubio, right, who's not exactly an.

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<v Speaker 2>Outsider, right, yeah, yeah, right, So you know that's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>at least that definitely changes because you know, there's like

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of complexity you know, to the situation,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it is true, like you could make. So I

478
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<v Speaker 2>think you can make a pretty reasonable case that it

479
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<v Speaker 2>is in the US interests to change through the regime

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<v Speaker 2>and Iran, like I think given their history in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East post revolution, like that, that they have consistently

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<v Speaker 2>been hostile to America. They have had several notable incidents

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<v Speaker 2>where that they've killed American service members, disrupted the entire region,

484
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<v Speaker 2>supplied people who have tried to kill and succeeded killing

485
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<v Speaker 2>American service members. You know, they're they're basic basic premise

486
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<v Speaker 2>of of like you know, uh, statehood is death to America.

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<v Speaker 2>So from a purely like empire standpoint, like if if

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<v Speaker 2>you if this were something that you read about, uh

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<v Speaker 2>you know, from from like like Imperial Rome or something

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<v Speaker 2>like if if you you know, crack a history book

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, yeah, well the goals position was death

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<v Speaker 2>to Rome, and uh, you know, they've been launching a

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<v Speaker 2>number of attacks and so Rome finally went in and

494
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<v Speaker 2>like you know said, you know, fuck it, we ball.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, from that standpoint, it's it's reasonable. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that there's a case to be made

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<v Speaker 2>for this being urgent, Like I think you, like I said,

498
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<v Speaker 2>you could make the case, like, yeah, these guys are

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<v Speaker 2>just open enemies of the United States. They're openly hostile,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, so there's just objectively like, if

501
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<v Speaker 2>if your fucking next door neighbors stated goal is I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to fucking kill you the next time I see you,

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<v Speaker 2>you would have to be concerned about that. Uh. And

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00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.359
<v Speaker 2>so if you have a country who is you know,

505
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<v Speaker 2>overtly hostile, you have to be concerned with that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know that there is any real urgency

507
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<v Speaker 2>to merit this type of build up, and then responds

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<v Speaker 2>I caveat that with of course, I don't have access

509
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<v Speaker 2>to the same information that Donald Trump does, so who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe there's an off chance that there was

511
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<v Speaker 2>actually some type of eminent threat. It seems more likely

512
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<v Speaker 2>that the imminent threat was Iran's inevitable retaliatory response after

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<v Speaker 2>an Israeli strike, you know, So that again, from like

514
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<v Speaker 2>a like a realistic standpoint, you do have to account

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<v Speaker 2>for that, Like if you know that you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have US personnel in harm's way and you're in charge

517
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<v Speaker 2>of the military, like, you do have to choose a

518
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<v Speaker 2>course of action on that. You cannot ignore that and

519
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:45.119
<v Speaker 2>so you do have to do something. Now, whether that

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00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 2>something is like you know, a large build up followed

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00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:53.359
<v Speaker 2>by you know, massive air campaigns or that kind of thing,

522
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.480
<v Speaker 2>the time will tell whether that bears out as being

523
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<v Speaker 2>like a wise thing. But it is interesting and a

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<v Speaker 2>little i don't know, almost risky for Rubio to come

525
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<v Speaker 2>out and just blatantly just say like, yeah, this this

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<v Speaker 2>was some of the circumstances involving this is that we

527
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<v Speaker 2>kind of got roped into this because a regional uh

528
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:20.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, partner that that we have like you know,

529
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:24.760
<v Speaker 2>security agreements with was going to do this unilaterally and

530
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<v Speaker 2>that was going to put us at risk, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we had to basically absorb that risk by overwhelming force

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<v Speaker 2>to to mitigate the risk of that post. Because then

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<v Speaker 2>you you obviously run into the question of like, well,

534
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:47.000
<v Speaker 2>it is the US military's activity, uh, you know, or

535
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:50.400
<v Speaker 2>why would that be downstream of consequences at Israel imposes

536
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:56.360
<v Speaker 2>rather uh than self determined by you know, by US.

537
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.760
<v Speaker 2>That's you know, like no ships. That's the obvious problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I don't see I don't see the upshot

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<v Speaker 2>to Rubio just coming round out and saying that basically

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<v Speaker 2>because that's obviously going to be very unpopular, and he

541
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.760
<v Speaker 2>could have just easily, you know, kept up the facade

542
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<v Speaker 2>of just like, oh, well, you know, we had information

543
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<v Speaker 2>there was going to be an attack or something to

544
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<v Speaker 2>maintain some degree of like deniability there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, one of the other things that I

546
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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about a lot with this is that, compared

547
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<v Speaker 1>to the kind of general electorately, you and I are

548
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<v Speaker 1>in a pretty ferociously anti bore An, anti Israel bubble.

549
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:52.280
<v Speaker 1>And look, those positions are more mainstream than they have

550
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>historically been, and just because their minority opinions doesn't mean

551
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<v Speaker 1>they're wrong are from it. But one of the things

552
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<v Speaker 1>that I think about a lot is that for a

553
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<v Speaker 1>lot of kind of normal people, this stuff is not

554
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:12.239
<v Speaker 1>as big of an issue in and of itself as

555
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.960
<v Speaker 1>it is to us. And so you know, you saw

556
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<v Speaker 1>this with the you know, the Operation mid Night Hammer.

557
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:21.840
<v Speaker 1>You know that a bunch of people were saying like, oh,

558
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:23.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, this will be the thing that supplits MAGA,

559
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.320
<v Speaker 1>this will be the thing that you know, since the

560
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<v Speaker 1>Trump administration that didn't happen, that still may happen in

561
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<v Speaker 1>the future. But I think one of the important things

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<v Speaker 1>to look at with this is that you know, oftentimes

563
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<v Speaker 1>something that is you know neutral to slightly unpopular can

564
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<v Speaker 1>become a big problem due to opportunity cost. Right, this

565
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.440
<v Speaker 1>is what you chose to do instead of X, Y

566
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:56.400
<v Speaker 1>or Z right. And you know, really the narrative of

567
00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:59.760
<v Speaker 1>in my mind the last year to year and a half,

568
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.239
<v Speaker 1>like really, you know, kind of after the point at

569
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:05.159
<v Speaker 1>which Dot with elon left and Doge kind of petered out,

570
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.719
<v Speaker 1>is they like, hey, look like nothing's happening, and you

571
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:11.880
<v Speaker 1>know I and you can look into this.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know Mark Mitchell Resmusin's done a great deal of

574
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:20.599
<v Speaker 1>reporting on this, is that there's you know, growing dissatisfaction

575
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.199
<v Speaker 1>with you know, any number of issues, whether it's you know, affordability,

576
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:27.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, the judiciary, the fact that the Save or

577
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the Save America Act whatever they're calling it now is

578
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.159
<v Speaker 1>kind of you know stuck. Is basically this feeling of like,

579
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<v Speaker 1>hey guys, uh one, it is kind of weird. As

580
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:42.400
<v Speaker 1>you've said that, Rubo was like, yeah, this wasn't really

581
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.719
<v Speaker 1>our call. We were kind of forced into this because

582
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.840
<v Speaker 1>of you know, another group. But also it's like wait

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, okay, So it's like the the thing you

584
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.840
<v Speaker 1>can get done. Is this right? Like what about what

585
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:58.039
<v Speaker 1>about all the stuff for us? And you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I'm not a huge electoral politics guy, but

587
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.159
<v Speaker 1>I think that that sentiment is growing. You see it

588
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:07.400
<v Speaker 1>in the you know, the data, and this is something

589
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.679
<v Speaker 1>that came up, you know, before the you know, the

590
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:15.760
<v Speaker 1>attacks kicked off with the you know, Huckabee's appearance on

591
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Tucker where he you know, asked him the very simple

592
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:21.400
<v Speaker 1>question was like, look like, you know, do do we

593
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<v Speaker 1>live in a democracy? He's like, yeah, of course we do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, all right, well, I mean, you know, eighty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of people oppose you know, strikes on O rant

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the response is sort of this disciance genue,

597
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, we can't, let you know, polls make policy.

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00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, okay, sure, guys. But seemingly this is

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<v Speaker 1>the one issue for which there is the political will

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<v Speaker 1>to get something done. And I'm not entirely sure how

601
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<v Speaker 1>you get out of that narrative when everything on the

602
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>domestic front seems to be just like gummed up forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's complicated by the fact that, uh, you know,

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00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.239
<v Speaker 2>you see you see this commentary about oh well, we

605
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.360
<v Speaker 2>better get the save Act out of this. And while

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the Save Act should pass, like I

607
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<v Speaker 2>think that the voting system in the United States is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, horrible, like it's it's I think it's very

609
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:24.079
<v Speaker 2>obviously compromised, and I think at a minimum, it absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense to have in person voting with proof of

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<v Speaker 2>citizenship and photo id uh and and much of that

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00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.239
<v Speaker 2>is is provisioned SAVE Act. So I want that to pass.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem is if if the only way for

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<v Speaker 2>American politicians to like begrudgingly agree to stop letting illegal

615
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:57.840
<v Speaker 2>aliens vote for their own infinite free money is to

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<v Speaker 2>like do is all this huge solid of uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wiping out the regime in Iran, that only exacerbates the

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<v Speaker 2>situation in my assessment, where it's like, yeah, the only

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<v Speaker 2>way you can actually even like have a secure voting like,

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<v Speaker 2>we will trade you this this is this is a

621
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<v Speaker 2>quid pro quo where you're going to have to kill

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a small but growing number of American service members, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>in order to do Israel like this you know, favor

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<v Speaker 2>and in exchange, they will let the politicians in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the Senate, in the House that they have a

626
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<v Speaker 2>disproportioned amount of influence over they will let them actually

627
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<v Speaker 2>give you like a crumb of your own national self

628
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<v Speaker 2>interest like that is that is concerning to me to

629
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<v Speaker 2>put it mildly, like Okay, why can't you know, why

630
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<v Speaker 2>why can't the American Senate like we really can't get

631
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<v Speaker 2>more than fifty percent support for just making sure that

632
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<v Speaker 2>only Americans vote, Like you know, this is not controversial

633
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<v Speaker 2>at all, you know, to your point, like the I

634
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<v Speaker 2>mean that that's an eighty twenty issue. That's more than

635
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<v Speaker 2>an eighty twenty issue. But you know, not randomly attacking

636
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<v Speaker 2>Iran is also very unpopular. So you have you have

637
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<v Speaker 2>two things that have very clear like polling preferences that

638
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 2>you're contraposed. And it's like, well, the only way you

639
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:44.639
<v Speaker 2>can you can have a treat is if you undertake

640
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:51.039
<v Speaker 2>this military action. Now, Like I that to me, like

641
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<v Speaker 2>from where I'm sitting, as just being a random guy

642
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:58.199
<v Speaker 2>who stays up on politics, that seems to be the case.

643
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm open to being wrong on that. I don't know

644
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.039
<v Speaker 2>that I am I hope that I am wrong. I

645
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:08.039
<v Speaker 2>don't want that to be the case, you know, but

646
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.559
<v Speaker 2>that does seem to be the case. It's it's difficult

647
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 2>to lay that out, especially because much of the uh,

648
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 2>much of the like social media anti Semitism at this

649
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:30.280
<v Speaker 2>point is just like very cringe third world like conspiracy TRD,

650
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.559
<v Speaker 2>like real low budget, low IQ stuff that is just

651
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:41.639
<v Speaker 2>it's just not serious. But this the situation as it

652
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:43.760
<v Speaker 2>is developing right now, like as what we saw with

653
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<v Speaker 2>you know, Marco Rubio's comments earlier today, this does of

654
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<v Speaker 2>course continue, It doesn't doesn't do anything to like uh,

655
00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:58.199
<v Speaker 2>as the kids would say, beat the allegations, I guess,

656
00:42:59.039 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 2>And so.

657
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<v Speaker 1>It is.

658
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, this is what I'm saying. I don't consider

659
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:09.760
<v Speaker 2>it to be a nuanced take. I consider that to

660
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<v Speaker 2>be just the flat reality. And I've seen a lot

661
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:18.960
<v Speaker 2>of people trying to you know, both under and under

662
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:25.599
<v Speaker 2>and overstate that on the timeline. I if but if

663
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.679
<v Speaker 2>it does bear out, if it is true that like

664
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:37.239
<v Speaker 2>this massive engagement which has caused American lives was undertaken

665
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:46.079
<v Speaker 2>primarily because Israel was going to do it regardless, and

666
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:49.360
<v Speaker 2>we needed to step in to make sure it was

667
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:54.760
<v Speaker 2>successful otherwise face graver risk to our own personnel that

668
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:59.000
<v Speaker 2>would be very bad. And it further raises the question

669
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<v Speaker 2>of like what I mean, why even fucking bother having

670
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:04.639
<v Speaker 2>like a government, why bother having a Republican party, why

671
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.480
<v Speaker 2>bother with any of this stuff? I mean, these are

672
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:11.280
<v Speaker 2>common critiques in our circles. Like obviously the GOP is

673
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, it needs to be defeated, Like there's no

674
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.679
<v Speaker 2>point in having a GOP when stuff like this is

675
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:22.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, what's going to happen. So uh, you know,

676
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.960
<v Speaker 2>if there is uh like the other side of the

677
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:29.400
<v Speaker 2>coin on that, of course, is it Israel is uh

678
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:33.960
<v Speaker 2>like a regional ally, we do have security agreements in

679
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.239
<v Speaker 2>place with Israel, uh, and it is possible for Israeli

680
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:42.480
<v Speaker 2>interests in American interest to genuinely overlap. And so from

681
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<v Speaker 2>like a state craft standpoint, you know, and again not

682
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:48.559
<v Speaker 2>having access to all of the information that you know,

683
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:53.320
<v Speaker 2>the people who make decisions presumably have access to, uh,

684
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:56.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, perhaps there there is like a non zero

685
00:44:56.719 --> 00:45:03.920
<v Speaker 2>chance that in a long view, this serves both of

686
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:08.320
<v Speaker 2>our interests and so maybe it just makes sense to

687
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:12.320
<v Speaker 2>get it done even if it's unpopular, and so, you know,

688
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.079
<v Speaker 2>God willing, the engagement will be as short as it

689
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.800
<v Speaker 2>can be to have any type of meaningful long term

690
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:23.840
<v Speaker 2>effect on things. But I don't know, it's it's unclear

691
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:28.280
<v Speaker 2>that you know that is the case. So it's not

692
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:31.000
<v Speaker 2>that there are situations where American and Israeli interests can

693
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:35.280
<v Speaker 2>never align and we're just like, I don't know, you know,

694
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:39.239
<v Speaker 2>people say, oh, you know, America is Israel's lap dog

695
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:43.199
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, and I understand, I see how

696
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:47.559
<v Speaker 2>people come to that conclusion. I don't know that that

697
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:51.760
<v Speaker 2>is is like the fully like the best way to

698
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:56.159
<v Speaker 2>characterize the relationship. But there's obviously some some undoe influence

699
00:45:56.159 --> 00:46:02.559
<v Speaker 2>in Marco Rubio's comments definitely may make that that pretty obvious,

700
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess, So we'll kind of see what goes on,

701
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.679
<v Speaker 2>uh from there, because if anything, that will be what

702
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:12.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of kind of causes more of a

703
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:14.679
<v Speaker 2>fracture on the right, just just coming right out and

704
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:16.480
<v Speaker 2>plain English and saying that. And then I don't know

705
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:19.519
<v Speaker 2>if there's any any calculation behind his choice in doing

706
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:22.280
<v Speaker 2>that too. Rubio is not like a careless speaker, He's

707
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 2>not a flippant guy, and so part of me wonders

708
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:28.920
<v Speaker 2>if if that there is if he's saying that specifically

709
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.559
<v Speaker 2>for a for a reason, with with other goals in mind.

710
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Well, honestly, like I think one of

711
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:41.199
<v Speaker 1>the irritating things about this is that it is sort

712
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:46.880
<v Speaker 1>of completely and totally opaque, I mean not really right,

713
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:50.719
<v Speaker 1>not not to people like us. But if there there

714
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.719
<v Speaker 1>was just the like, all right, guys, look, this is

715
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:56.199
<v Speaker 1>how it works. You have to you have to do

716
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.880
<v Speaker 1>something for us to get what you want. It's like, okay, well,

717
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.039
<v Speaker 1>you know it's not a great situation. You know, you

718
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:03.920
<v Speaker 1>like to live in a country where you know, the

719
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:06.519
<v Speaker 1>purpose of your military and your you know, elected government

720
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.519
<v Speaker 1>was to actually do things for you. But at least

721
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:12.119
<v Speaker 1>then it'd be like, all right, like, okay, uh, you

722
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:14.960
<v Speaker 1>know how many give many children do I have to

723
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 1>kill personally before you guys let me, I don't know,

724
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.079
<v Speaker 1>uh import a Toyota high lux or something like that.

725
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:25.159
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I'm not saying I do it, but

726
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:28.320
<v Speaker 1>it would put things into perspective, right, You could sort

727
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:30.800
<v Speaker 1>of form some sort of economy around this. You know what,

728
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:33.159
<v Speaker 1>what kind of gifts are you know, worth a certain

729
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:38.960
<v Speaker 1>amount because the you hear the allegation of shill thrown around,

730
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:43.039
<v Speaker 1>and you know there's something to that. But there's almost

731
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:45.599
<v Speaker 1>something more galling about the fact that, like a lot

732
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:47.639
<v Speaker 1>of these guys seem to just be doing it for free,

733
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:50.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, just for for love of the game. Sure,

734
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:53.760
<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, if you if you're going to

735
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:58.800
<v Speaker 1>be in a you know what what some should I say,

736
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.800
<v Speaker 1>critics would call it a kind of like occupied government,

737
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:07.480
<v Speaker 1>if you will. Guys like it just you know, pull

738
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the Jim Carrey masks off already, and just to be

739
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:13.800
<v Speaker 1>honest about it, you know, it at least make a

740
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.920
<v Speaker 1>little more sense, you know, because the kind of current

741
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:21.320
<v Speaker 1>situation just turning everyone insane. Yeah, and I get it, right,

742
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Like I've read the Epstein files. I've come to the

743
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:27.880
<v Speaker 1>conclusion that effectively everything is just the work of you know,

744
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:31.280
<v Speaker 1>the lizard people, the rothschilds that. Yeah, I don't know

745
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:33.480
<v Speaker 1>whoever else you want. It's like, I get it. But

746
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:35.559
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, I'd appreciate a little bit of honesty,

747
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess.

748
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And you know, uh, the other concern, I guess,

749
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:54.400
<v Speaker 2>like there's there's a lot of freetards who, uh you

750
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:57.079
<v Speaker 2>hear the criticism of like third worldism and stuff like

751
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:02.760
<v Speaker 2>that come up, and it sometimes it's very valid. I

752
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:06.800
<v Speaker 2>think it's very annoying to go on the timeline and

753
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:13.519
<v Speaker 2>see you know, like a first generation black sick and teenager,

754
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:20.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, saying that like I don't know, like you're

755
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:25.920
<v Speaker 2>a goy slave something like that, because you know, I

756
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:29.079
<v Speaker 2>don't know, you ate like a hamburger or something. You know,

757
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Like there's there is that like in the in the

758
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:37.440
<v Speaker 2>longer term, we're gonna have to figure something out here

759
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:40.960
<v Speaker 2>with this where it's like, yeah, let's let's kind of

760
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:46.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, get a little bit serious here, uh

761
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.559
<v Speaker 2>and not not fully go off the deep end into

762
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:57.599
<v Speaker 2>being like fully detached from reality, because that's that's the

763
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:01.440
<v Speaker 2>difficult thing. It seems like, uh, for a lot of

764
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 2>much of like the internet space and our our part

765
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:12.039
<v Speaker 2>of the Internet has you know, I think the the

766
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:19.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, the best thinkers you know, and I certainly

767
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:24.360
<v Speaker 2>don't count myself in there. I'm stupid, but they're like

768
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:27.800
<v Speaker 2>like the people in our sphere that are have influence

769
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:30.119
<v Speaker 2>usually have things to say that are at least thoughtful.

770
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:34.800
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not really trying to throw shade, you know,

771
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:38.880
<v Speaker 2>is it any one in particular? I'm more talking about, like,

772
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:43.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, the TikTok slop that you see on the timeline,

773
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:47.199
<v Speaker 2>Like there there is a whole world of like elder

774
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:50.360
<v Speaker 2>millennials there are women with purple hair who are making

775
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:54.559
<v Speaker 2>videos about uh, you know, Jim Carrey is a shape

776
00:50:54.559 --> 00:51:04.119
<v Speaker 2>shifter and Israel controls the fl at Earth, and you know, uh,

777
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:08.519
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is has this, you know as barbecuing babies

778
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:12.960
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, where there there are a lot

779
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.119
<v Speaker 2>of people who are just kind of its kind of

780
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:18.119
<v Speaker 2>checked out, where it's just like, well, I don't know,

781
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:21.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not really going to engage with reality anymore.

782
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:25.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to engage with whatever, whatever produces clicks

783
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:31.800
<v Speaker 2>and attention and you know, things like that. Uh. And

784
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:35.000
<v Speaker 2>so that's that's a weird thing to exist, Like, that's

785
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 2>a weird social layer to exist in a war because

786
00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:41.400
<v Speaker 2>if if you think about think of the think about

787
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:46.599
<v Speaker 2>this particular conflict thus far in a historical context, we've

788
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:51.159
<v Speaker 2>uh so we're recording this on a Monday evening and

789
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:56.639
<v Speaker 2>this started what Friday morning, all right, so something like that.

790
00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:01.119
<v Speaker 2>So we're like four days into it basically, and in

791
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:08.639
<v Speaker 2>those four days, according to what the publicly available information

792
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:12.320
<v Speaker 2>is at the time of this recording, the leader of

793
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:16.679
<v Speaker 2>Iran has been killed, most of the Iranian military leadership

794
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:24.280
<v Speaker 2>has been killed. The you know, Kamane's successor was killed.

795
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:28.239
<v Speaker 2>The previous president was killed. I think his successor's successor

796
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:33.159
<v Speaker 2>was killed. Their military has engaged now, I guess, and

797
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.079
<v Speaker 2>what has been coined the Mosaic defense, which is where

798
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.440
<v Speaker 2>they're just letting mid level commanders just kind of choose

799
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 2>their own adventure as far as what they're going to do.

800
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:48.280
<v Speaker 2>So there's no central command structure guiding the Iranian military

801
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:54.599
<v Speaker 2>that is known publicly right now. The Iranian navy, at

802
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:58.239
<v Speaker 2>least as far as what was present in the Straits

803
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:02.360
<v Speaker 2>of Oremus, has been destroyed. So that's eleven surface ships

804
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:09.320
<v Speaker 2>that have been sung. You know, a very large portion

805
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:16.800
<v Speaker 2>of their ability to wage war has been effectively neutralized. Uh.

806
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.000
<v Speaker 2>You know this this is very one sided right now.

807
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:25.159
<v Speaker 2>And as the United States, like, time is our enemy

808
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:28.719
<v Speaker 2>in conflict, right like that's that is the relationship that

809
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:31.400
<v Speaker 2>we have with with success is that the longer it takes,

810
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:35.199
<v Speaker 2>the less successful it will be. So Time is obviously

811
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:41.880
<v Speaker 2>our enemy. But four days into it, you know, this

812
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:47.639
<v Speaker 2>war is pretty unpopular because of this social layer of

813
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:52.039
<v Speaker 2>social media, much of which is operated by people who

814
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:56.400
<v Speaker 2>are stupid and who are not engaging with reality whatsoever,

815
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:02.480
<v Speaker 2>but do have the ability to shape social consensus and

816
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:08.880
<v Speaker 2>political outcomes at the ballot box. Uh. So you know, obviously,

817
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:13.320
<v Speaker 2>like you, you are not a democracy enjoyer. Neither am

818
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:16.679
<v Speaker 2>I I think this This is just showing that you know,

819
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:22.519
<v Speaker 2>there there are some serious flaws with this system. Uh. However,

820
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:26.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, by all historical accounts, this is this is

821
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:29.760
<v Speaker 2>an overwhelming tactical military victory. Like there's no question of

822
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:33.559
<v Speaker 2>who who has been winning this engagement right now? The

823
00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:38.320
<v Speaker 2>US military at this time. Uh, there are six known

824
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:44.760
<v Speaker 2>American personnel killed in action and three F fifteens that

825
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:49.760
<v Speaker 2>were shot down over Kuwait where the crew survived. So

826
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.960
<v Speaker 2>we've lost you know, three you know, big ticket items

827
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:58.519
<v Speaker 2>as far as hardware and you know, six personnel, which

828
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.360
<v Speaker 2>this is a tragedy, but by the cold metric of

829
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:07.719
<v Speaker 2>just you know, tactical success, like Iran is on the

830
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:12.280
<v Speaker 2>very very very shit end of this stick, and at

831
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<v Speaker 2>any other time in history like this probably would have

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<v Speaker 2>been been a winning thing to do. Like if if

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<v Speaker 2>you you know, take it back two thousand years, if

834
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<v Speaker 2>the king was like, oh yeah, we waged a war,

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<v Speaker 2>we knocked all their shit out in four days, we

836
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<v Speaker 2>lost six guys, we're coming home. You know, that would

837
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<v Speaker 2>have been very popular domestically in you know, like Roman

838
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<v Speaker 2>society or Spartan society or something like that, But in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six, it's very you know, not popular. And

840
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:51.800
<v Speaker 2>not only that, but people who are otherwise intelligent are

841
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<v Speaker 2>actively panicking about how it's all over where it's it's

842
00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:56.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, there are people who are like, oh, this

843
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<v Speaker 2>is this is the end, and I I love these

844
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.679
<v Speaker 2>counts where there's people's this that that's it for America.

845
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:08.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, the the meme posts about fill up your tanks,

846
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:12.360
<v Speaker 2>like the fucking it's the end of America. The dollars

847
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:15.599
<v Speaker 2>it's going to collapse tomorrow and no one's gonna be

848
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:18.079
<v Speaker 2>able to get fuel and there's going to be massive

849
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<v Speaker 2>civil unrest and that's the end of the administration. And

850
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:25.320
<v Speaker 2>none of that, you know, is happening right now, Like

851
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:30.159
<v Speaker 2>that's not even close to happening. Like and you see

852
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.679
<v Speaker 2>this kind of stuff and it's like, dude, there are

853
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:36.639
<v Speaker 2>some real problems, it seems like in in the fundamental

854
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:44.960
<v Speaker 2>incentives that that precipitated this military action. However, you know,

855
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:51.199
<v Speaker 2>we don't source uh, you know, like like much of

856
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:55.280
<v Speaker 2>our fucking oil from the hostile Iranian regime. You know,

857
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<v Speaker 2>I don't like this is not a realistic assessment of

858
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:03.000
<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen. And uh, Further, Iran poses no

859
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<v Speaker 2>existential threat to the United States at all. They don't

860
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<v Speaker 2>have an expeditionary military, like they have no ability to

861
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:15.519
<v Speaker 2>project force on our country, like they cannot do anything

862
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:20.079
<v Speaker 2>like this. This is, you know, a country that's largely

863
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:23.199
<v Speaker 2>walled in by God to stop them from fucking spreading.

864
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.679
<v Speaker 2>So you know, it's like, let's like there are some

865
00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:30.880
<v Speaker 2>very valid criticism of this, but you know, there's no

866
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:35.000
<v Speaker 2>reason to be like shitting your pants, pissing your pants

867
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:39.440
<v Speaker 2>and crying about how it's the it's all over, because

868
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:42.440
<v Speaker 2>there's no indicationion of this like that that you know,

869
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.679
<v Speaker 2>at least not as as of this time. You know,

870
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.159
<v Speaker 2>this would this would really be the part that that

871
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:54.800
<v Speaker 2>schedule podcast release button could fuck up. But you know,

872
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:59.559
<v Speaker 2>there's really not all that much that could happen in

873
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:04.480
<v Speaker 2>terms of like direct military outcomes. Now we've been very

874
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:08.559
<v Speaker 2>lucky so far, like like the the there's not been

875
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:12.599
<v Speaker 2>an element of like quagmire at this time. Knock on wood,

876
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:17.639
<v Speaker 2>anything can happen. What's going on is a very complex

877
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:23.320
<v Speaker 2>operation involving several countries over hostile skies, Like it is

878
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:26.480
<v Speaker 2>entirely possible that some shit really goes off the rails,

879
00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:32.280
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I hope that doesn't happen because I

880
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:35.400
<v Speaker 2>want my country to win. That's the other thing that

881
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:40.840
<v Speaker 2>not everyone seems to be able to mentally handle is

882
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:44.119
<v Speaker 2>that it's like, yeah, man, you can disagree with this

883
00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:48.800
<v Speaker 2>going on and like still want it to work out.

884
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:53.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a there's a term for that. It's

885
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:58.039
<v Speaker 2>it's called loyalty. Like that that's what that means. You know,

886
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.719
<v Speaker 2>like you should be rooting for your own and side.

887
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:05.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like if you you know, like if

888
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:08.079
<v Speaker 2>your wife is going to do something fucking dumb and

889
00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:10.000
<v Speaker 2>you're like, hey, look I don't think you should do that.

890
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:12.159
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a bad idea, and she's like, well,

891
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:14.559
<v Speaker 2>look it's really important to me, you know, let me

892
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:17.880
<v Speaker 2>ride this out. Well, you know, sometimes you got to

893
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:23.000
<v Speaker 2>back that up. And you know, being loyal to something,

894
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:28.800
<v Speaker 2>it can only apply under duress and when you're not

895
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:32.119
<v Speaker 2>entirely comfortable with the situation, you know what I mean, Like,

896
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:38.559
<v Speaker 2>it's not possible to show loyalty under convenient circumstances. So

897
00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:43.360
<v Speaker 2>there's a bunch of fucking retards on Twitter, who's like,

898
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:47.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, what do you get Jackson Hinkle, who I

899
00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:50.440
<v Speaker 2>long live Iran, we support Iran. And there's a bunch

900
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:56.840
<v Speaker 2>of recent immigrants who are just you know, posting NonStop

901
00:59:56.920 --> 01:00:00.519
<v Speaker 2>about well, if we lose, you know, that's fun. We've

902
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:03.280
<v Speaker 2>we've got to come in. I hope whatever all these

903
01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:07.519
<v Speaker 2>soldiers or whatever retards and I hope they die. That

904
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:12.519
<v Speaker 2>would be better than fucking doing something to help Israel,

905
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:18.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, YadA, YadA. There's the whole thing. And that's

906
01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:22.119
<v Speaker 2>also you know, indicative of a problem. It's like, yeah, man,

907
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:26.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like that is also a perspective that is divorced

908
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.480
<v Speaker 2>from from reality, Like you should not want your country

909
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:32.840
<v Speaker 2>to fail, like just point blank like that that's fucking stupid,

910
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:35.199
<v Speaker 2>Like you shouldn't want people from your country to die,

911
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Like why do you think that would be good? You

912
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:40.440
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? Like, so, so what you're telling

913
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:44.880
<v Speaker 2>me is that it would be bad, uh and good

914
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:49.920
<v Speaker 2>simultaneously to die for Israel. Like you know, Uh, it's

915
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:52.760
<v Speaker 2>not a coherent position that a lot of these accounts

916
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:57.639
<v Speaker 2>have have managed to like convince themselves to adopt, and

917
01:00:57.639 --> 01:00:59.599
<v Speaker 2>that that's an annoying aspect of this as well.

918
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<v Speaker 1>No, certainly, And it's one of those things. Well where

919
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:16.519
<v Speaker 1>and this is sort of the danger of anything as

920
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:22.039
<v Speaker 1>it becomes popular, right, is your sort of become you're

921
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:27.880
<v Speaker 1>always at the mercy of that bottom quintile. And would

922
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:31.079
<v Speaker 1>we talk about you know, an awareness of what meer

923
01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:33.559
<v Speaker 1>Scheimer would have called, like the Israel lobby or anything.

924
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:37.960
<v Speaker 1>When that was a minority position, it was easier to

925
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:43.119
<v Speaker 1>have an intelligent conversation. But as you know, due to

926
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:46.880
<v Speaker 1>is it has become more and more plain, you know,

927
01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:49.280
<v Speaker 1>it has become more and more a part of you know,

928
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:53.239
<v Speaker 1>everyday conversation on both the left and the right. It

929
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:58.559
<v Speaker 1>is sort of you've become a stupider conversation and there's

930
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:02.760
<v Speaker 1>no way around that, right that, there's no way around

931
01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:05.800
<v Speaker 1>you know that that kind of negative side of you know, popularization.

932
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<v Speaker 1>But it still is incredibly irritating because to your point,

933
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:12.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, the idea that you should you know, root

934
01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:15.719
<v Speaker 1>against your own nation or you know, hope for people

935
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:18.760
<v Speaker 1>like you to die because you disagree with executive policy.

936
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<v Speaker 1>It's like, well, okay, no, like I don't agree with that,

937
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:28.119
<v Speaker 1>and does that mean that I, you know, like our

938
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.840
<v Speaker 1>government's allegiances. Far from it. But at a certain point

939
01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:35.800
<v Speaker 1>it seems as if many people are allowing themselves to

940
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:39.199
<v Speaker 1>be driven crazy by this, and I understand it, like

941
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:42.480
<v Speaker 1>it's crazy making. But uh, I don't know. I think

942
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:46.119
<v Speaker 1>it's a step too far. But Lee, it's it's getting late, man.

943
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:50.800
<v Speaker 1>This has been honestly a much more educational conversation than

944
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I think I was expecting. But dude, where could people

945
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:53.599
<v Speaker 1>find you?

946
01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Mostly on Twitter? Right now? It's that short mag sml E. Yeah,

947
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.000
<v Speaker 2>it's basically for now. I haven't laid it on a

948
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:06.119
<v Speaker 2>name for a substack. I'm still trying to figure something out,

949
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:09.639
<v Speaker 2>you know. But you just follow me on Twitter.

950
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:14.280
<v Speaker 1>As far as my stuff Ja Burdan Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

951
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:16.840
<v Speaker 1>throw me a few bucks a month the episodes early

952
01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:20.519
<v Speaker 1>and ad free, Patreon, substack, and gum Road. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a ton of fun, man, I appreciate it. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be in touch, dude,