Speaker 1: Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly flapping
Speaker 1: his wing big down in a forest.
Speaker 2: Man, it gonna cause the tree fall, letting five thousand
Speaker 2: miles away. Man, you think nobody seen, nobody else see.
Speaker 2: You don't need to know. Man, Like you followed another
Speaker 2: story and you got back like that.
Speaker 1: I still win. Man.
Speaker 2: Don't blackly dag on the panel. Man, Man, you don't
Speaker 2: don't matter. Man, I don't pay anyway.
Speaker 1: So, uh, Lee, is is we getting World War three?
Speaker 2: I certainly hope so, Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those things where it's like
Speaker 1: my feelings on this have really been uh compromised, Uh
Speaker 1: you know, not by my own principles, not by my
Speaker 1: own body of work, but mainly by the fact that
Speaker 1: everyone on any side of this issue has become so
Speaker 1: irritating that I just simply do not want to discuss
Speaker 1: it at all. Yeah, it's like the obviously you have
Speaker 1: the the the big fans of the war, who you know,
Speaker 1: almost immediately after basically being given like you know, uh,
Speaker 1: their version of Christmas and I don't know what that
Speaker 1: holiday is in that religion, but you got them right,
Speaker 1: you got Kamaedie. And then like four hours later, they're like, now,
Speaker 1: what we really need to do is get Turkey. You're like, guys,
Speaker 1: come on, man, jeez, yeah, come on the hutzpah if
Speaker 1: you will. But also, uh, every one of these sort
Speaker 1: of like you know, quote unquote kind of based you know,
Speaker 1: and desionists is just a imediately reverting to the most
Speaker 1: kind of cartoonish anti colonial, anti Western stuff. You're like,
Speaker 1: I is it possible for both of you to lose?
Speaker 1: Because really, I guess the side I'm pulling for now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's been an unfortunate, you know, series of
Speaker 2: events on the timeline. And while I do agree, Uh,
Speaker 2: for instance, I would have I would have much rather
Speaker 2: glassed Turkey long before I ran, just just as retribution
Speaker 2: for them flooding the US firearms market with really bad shotguns.
Speaker 1: Look, look, we can't glass Turkey too soon because I
Speaker 1: haven't actually figured out if my Turkish MP five works yet,
Speaker 1: and I'd at least like to get through one RMA
Speaker 1: cycle before that entire country's PREDU stashes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, that's a special level of cope where you're not
Speaker 1: even arguing that you won't have to, you're just hoping
Speaker 1: to get the gun fixed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just exactly yeah, yeah, yeah, you need to
Speaker 2: send it back for finishing and the corrections and then
Speaker 2: then maybe it'll run.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like this is the it's a much
Speaker 1: more honest version of politics, which is just setting aside
Speaker 1: any pretense at principles, really whatsoever, taking everything back to
Speaker 1: how does this affect me? And really, you know, I
Speaker 1: consider myself now heavily vested in the future of the
Speaker 1: Turkish government because of a singular consumer purchase.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jay Burdon, Turkey's number one guy.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to do with really any
Speaker 1: any foreign people at all is to learn just enough
Speaker 1: about their nation to make sweeping and offensive generalized statements
Speaker 1: with little to no backing. So hanging out with a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys right from various Balkans countries, I be
Speaker 1: honestly still don't understand. I'm with one of my buddies
Speaker 1: who's like, his family's been here forever, his farm is
Speaker 1: deeded by the king, right, like the most American person
Speaker 1: on the planet, and he doesn't know these guys. So
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, you know, just like be cool, don't
Speaker 1: say anything weird, Like yeah, sure, I'll introduce you to everyone.
Speaker 1: I walk in them like, hey, yeah, this is my buddy.
Speaker 1: He's an arch Albanian nationalist, and then just leave the room,
Speaker 1: just throw them into Yeah exactly. Do I know which
Speaker 1: one of them hate Albanians? No, are any of the
Speaker 1: Albanian Quite possibly, But I do know. I've used social
Speaker 1: media to know that someone will get mad about that,
Speaker 1: and that's funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah, No, I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't know. Man. The the timeline, The trouble with a
Speaker 2: lot of this is the timeline was on a pretty
Speaker 2: rapid decline really ever since the Charlie Kirk shooting and
Speaker 2: and like all these events obviously Charlie Kirk shooting, the
Speaker 2: war in Iran, I mean, these things. The nature of
Speaker 2: these things is unpleasant and unfortunate. So I'm speaking as
Speaker 2: it relates specifically to my unregretted user. Second, on the
Speaker 2: X application, it's the quality of things has really been
Speaker 2: going downhill as people become further and further detached from reality.
Speaker 2: And when you're when you're talking about like like a war,
Speaker 2: it's particularly difficult for people because you of course have
Speaker 2: a high degree of uncertainty like that, you know, things
Speaker 2: are unfolding very quickly. Things. You know, many things are
Speaker 2: clandestine in nature, and the information that is made public,
Speaker 2: you know, always has an angle to it, like like
Speaker 2: nothing coming out of any non US based accounts has
Speaker 2: any there's just no reason to believe any of it.
Speaker 2: And there's there's only a little bit of reason to
Speaker 2: believe the stuff that comes out of American based accounts,
Speaker 2: and so you know, people just get out over their
Speaker 2: skis and they start, uh, you know, you get a
Speaker 2: fair mix of like, oh, well, there's no way this
Speaker 2: could go wrong. It's just gonna be no big deal.
Speaker 2: It is what it is, like, it's going to be awesome.
Speaker 2: And then you know there's people like, oh, it's all over,
Speaker 2: Like it's just this is the end, this is it.
Speaker 2: The midterms are over, the maga is over, the country
Speaker 2: is over, you know, all that kind of thing, and it's, uh,
Speaker 2: it's very it's very frustrating to just consume while scrolling
Speaker 2: because so little of it is actually based in any
Speaker 2: any type of discernment. And I know there's a you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly when to talk because most of my
Speaker 2: stuff is just inflammatory shit posting, but it's kind of
Speaker 2: you know, that's kind of the mode of the Twitter account.
Speaker 2: I'm not pertaining to be like an O s end
Speaker 2: account or something like that. And so it is annoying
Speaker 2: watching people who are generally posting better takes or otherwise
Speaker 2: intelligent just absolutely coming unglued one way or another over
Speaker 2: things that are by definition unfolding in real time and
Speaker 2: very open ended and uncertain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you really have to. You have to
Speaker 1: give the Iranians credit because for seemingly no reason, like
Speaker 1: I haven't quite figured out the strategic desire here, but
Speaker 1: they have done something that I have long wanted to do,
Speaker 1: which is to uh send highly explosive ordinance into Dubai
Speaker 1: uh much much like the Iranian regime. I don't have
Speaker 1: a great reason either, but it just sort of offends
Speaker 1: me as a city. So you know, if we're we're
Speaker 1: assigning you know, who's who's you know, your team in
Speaker 1: this obviously like okay, yeah, my government's involved, So that's
Speaker 1: something you know, they're there are people like me who've
Speaker 1: been you know, forced into this, So that's that's one
Speaker 1: part of it. But also, I mean, you know, if
Speaker 1: if I had explosive drones, what would I be doing
Speaker 1: with them, So you know, I have to admit at
Speaker 1: least that that kind of bias going into it.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and it's uh, you know, every time I
Speaker 2: stop to get a monster or you know, protein bar
Speaker 2: or something, the counter at every gas station in the
Speaker 2: fucking country has a little section of fake like Dubai chocolate,
Speaker 2: which I don't you know, euphemism aside, I don't really
Speaker 2: know what that means. Like I see the rapper and
Speaker 2: it's like, it looks like this is a small chocolate
Speaker 2: bar with like some green shit on the inside of it,
Speaker 2: and I don't like it at all. It's it's new.
Speaker 2: I don't like new things, especially you know when they
Speaker 2: come from places like Dubai, and it makes my already
Speaker 2: bad gas station experience even worse. And so if they
Speaker 2: have to eat a couple of strays, you know they
Speaker 2: going to charge that one to the game.
Speaker 1: Well in addition, because I actually you bring that up
Speaker 1: in complete agreements, I'm confused by the presence of this
Speaker 1: to buy chocolate, because I don't know if I've ever
Speaker 1: seen anyone buy it. It just seems to stay there forever.
Speaker 1: I think it's the result of some sort of like
Speaker 1: a TikTok trend Yester month or something like that. Uh,
Speaker 1: but for some reason, every seven eleven in America has
Speaker 1: just decided to take up like fifty percent of their
Speaker 1: counterspace with this one product.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it has the same like spiritual vibe as.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: How how a fair portion of like the American the
Speaker 2: African American community seems to really enjoy having food brought
Speaker 2: to them that is just extremely elaborate for no reason,
Speaker 2: Like like they'll go out to a steakhouse and pay
Speaker 2: like five hundred dollars to have a shitty steak brought
Speaker 2: to them because it's in like golden tinfoil or something.
Speaker 2: It feels to me like that's the same consumer experience
Speaker 2: where it's like I don't think, like what was wrong
Speaker 2: with just a regular ash hershe's more or something like
Speaker 2: I think the chocolate bar was fine. Now it's on
Speaker 2: the counter next to like CBD gummies and you know
Speaker 2: it's got a vegetable inside of it for some reason
Speaker 2: or whatever that is, and I don't like it. I
Speaker 2: could do without it. And so if Dubai you know,
Speaker 2: goes down, yeah, a fiery storm of fucking swarming death
Speaker 2: drones yeah, it's fair enough, fair enough that you know
Speaker 2: these things. Everything, everything has a price.
Speaker 1: Well look, uh Lee, you're a gym goer, a fitnessman,
Speaker 1: so maybe you can explain this today. When and why
Speaker 1: did every kind of low rent fitness influencer decide to
Speaker 1: move to Dubai all at once? Because I don't pretend
Speaker 1: to really pay attention to that world, I find it, uh,
Speaker 1: sort of bizarre. It seems to me to be kind
Speaker 1: of solved science, and yet we are still creating new
Speaker 1: jacked guys and giving them millions of dollars for being
Speaker 1: jacked guys, and then you know, selling supplements or whatever.
Speaker 1: H But in my very brief research, it did seem
Speaker 1: to be like that Dubai was the kind of mecca
Speaker 1: iraqically enough for that that's where you went, sort of
Speaker 1: like Miami is for like really irritating uh streamers or
Speaker 1: uh yeah sure yeah, looks maxers. I don't know what
Speaker 1: we're calling them now, people who get frame mugged and
Speaker 1: Cortisol Spike. Do you have any do you have any
Speaker 1: insights to offer early now?
Speaker 2: I mean I presume it's money. There's been some type
Speaker 2: of you know, renewed or or buddying interest in like.
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's the same thing as the you know,
Speaker 1: the Instagram models getting the dubai jo will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, uh, there there's some Yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: a mix. There's some some organic interest from the like
Speaker 2: wealthy faction of the Arab world to get into like
Speaker 2: Western style athletics, like the like golf for combat sports,
Speaker 2: uh you know, Instagram fitness influencing that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: And then of course there's you know the more uh
Speaker 2: more base uh Arabian desire to defecate on Caucasian females
Speaker 2: in exchange for what to them is tremendous amounts of
Speaker 2: money and what to the Arab guy is a tiny,
Speaker 2: you know, pittance. So I think that's basically it.
Speaker 1: Which I mean, you know, you came up through the
Speaker 1: uh libertarian space, or at least you did for this
Speaker 1: for the purposes of this next joke. So I mean, really,
Speaker 1: it's just an efficient market, right, we have uh you know,
Speaker 1: uh very wealthy men uh just you know, looking for
Speaker 1: a dissolution, and uh who are we to in any
Speaker 1: way object to that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I mean everyone needs a place to ship
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, the Anglo uses the toilet, the
Speaker 2: Indian uses the street, and uh, wealthy Arabs use girls
Speaker 2: on Instagram, and so you know, it just kind of
Speaker 2: is what it is, but you know, it just makes
Speaker 2: it tough to cry over a couple of drones that go,
Speaker 2: of course, well and.
Speaker 1: To your to your point about the whole uh you know,
Speaker 1: kind of weird deck into the chocolate thing. It's you know,
Speaker 1: one of these things that you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: if you're on social media, you've seen which is just
Speaker 1: the kind of like bizarre excessive displays of wealth from
Speaker 1: from the kind of emirate states. You know, like you
Speaker 1: always see this of like oh, you know, all the
Speaker 1: police cars and Dubai are just you know, Gottis and Porschas,
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, I mean that's that's neat. I guess,
Speaker 1: like that's kind of cool. And then you you know,
Speaker 1: you dig into all of these kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: incredibly you know, over the top building projects which seem
Speaker 1: to be just sort of some elaborate kind of money
Speaker 1: laundering scheme, and then you realize like, oh wait, like
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the population just lives on welfare. It's
Speaker 1: like this is a very bizarre society. Yeah, obviously you
Speaker 1: have the kind of like obligatory like oh this you know,
Speaker 1: late stage, late stage capitalism type of type of you know,
Speaker 1: analysis on it. But I just do not understand it fundamentally.
Speaker 2: I think it's funny. It's like I enjoy it because
Speaker 2: unlike and maybe this is you know, like a shitty
Speaker 2: thing to say, but I feel like from like very
Speaker 2: wealthy people in America, Like I look at people who
Speaker 2: you know, are just orders of magnitude better off financially
Speaker 2: that I am, and I think to myself, like, well,
Speaker 2: what do they do? Like what can I learn from
Speaker 2: their you know, their habits or their pattern of behavior,
Speaker 2: the way that they solve problems or consider things or
Speaker 2: that type of deal. But when I see, like, you know,
Speaker 2: some guy with like a fucking leopard in a Ferrari,
Speaker 2: just like I feel the same way about that guy
Speaker 2: as I do about seeing George Floyd driving around in
Speaker 2: a Nissan CenTra, and I feel like that's why they
Speaker 2: do it over there, because they think that it is
Speaker 2: like viewed with respect or admiration, and at least for me,
Speaker 2: it's not, you know, it's just like this is the
Speaker 2: is fucking retarded to have a for a police car
Speaker 2: like this is this is like the most hood rich,
Speaker 2: like the thing that you could ever you could ever
Speaker 2: dream up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's that's a good way to describe. It's sort of
Speaker 1: like you took an entire you basically took an entire
Speaker 1: country and just let them win the lottery. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: somehow it's still going on, right, Yeah, there's some like
Speaker 1: yeah that the the like the the nation state version
Speaker 1: of winning the lottery.
Speaker 2: Well that's why they call it black goal is because
Speaker 2: if you have a bunch of it, you just act
Speaker 2: like a black guy who want a bunch of scrash
Speaker 2: off tickets.
Speaker 1: And the worst part is, at least allegedly, right, it's that,
Speaker 1: you know, the Arabs can't drink and can't smoke, so
Speaker 1: it's like all of that all that wealth with no
Speaker 1: you don't know Henny and Swishers, Right, it's like you
Speaker 1: don't what's the brother to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just just play pimping, that's uh, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's a yeah, it's a weird. It's a weird thing,
Speaker 2: you know. And viewed through that lens, I think it's
Speaker 2: obvious that I ran was the wrong target. Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: like it would have been. It would have been way
Speaker 2: funnier if we had just randomly just really fucking hit
Speaker 2: Dubai just for like no real reason at all other
Speaker 2: than just they're they're like, uh, extreme opulence. Like if
Speaker 2: we just did it to just like knock them down
Speaker 2: a peg, like, it would be really funny to watch
Speaker 2: a tens doing gun runs on like rows of police ferraris.
Speaker 2: You know that would that would have been much better.
Speaker 2: I mean, and they, as far as I know, they
Speaker 2: have no real way of fighting that off like it
Speaker 2: at least as poorly as it has performed. At least
Speaker 2: Iran had the common sense to have some type of
Speaker 2: military posture. I don't even know that Debai has anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that this is, you know, because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of conversations going around like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: why did this happen? I said, we know why, you know,
Speaker 1: really you know, gazing into the crystal ball. And I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, as our new strategic footing needs
Speaker 1: to just be the you know, to to really kind
Speaker 1: of bamboozle everyone by just doing things because they're funny.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, we have this strong precedent with
Speaker 1: the Maduro raid, you know, hitting him with with the
Speaker 1: goy beam, just reducing like forty Cuban guys to like
Speaker 1: a bowl full of spaghetti. Yeah, that's pretty funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but who else is on your doesn't make sense, but
Speaker 1: it would be funny. List I'm going to go out
Speaker 1: on a limb and say, Cherokee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We obviously there's some unfinished business there, but they've been
Speaker 1: complaining a lot or yeah, I don't know. Let's say
Speaker 1: that they have, you know, just you know, put up
Speaker 1: another easy win on the board.
Speaker 2: It would be funny if they did. Who's the Who's
Speaker 2: the Twitter guy? Dakota Lakota Man? That would be a
Speaker 2: good one for the FBI. It's just him in person
Speaker 2: like Pere Uh yeah, I mean as far as Nation
Speaker 2: state actors. I don't know though.
Speaker 1: We got to send like, you know, like a Delta
Speaker 1: Force or Seal Team six in but with like Sharp's
Speaker 1: car beams and swords, just to like, you know, world
Speaker 1: time sake, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be funny, uh to like hit France
Speaker 2: and capture Emmanuel Macrone and just give him like an
Speaker 2: atomic wedgie, you know, and just like live stream it
Speaker 2: and then just leave. You don't kill him or anything
Speaker 2: like that. You just really humane.
Speaker 1: Pimply give him sex reassignment surgery just to make candas
Speaker 1: o One's right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, you know that would be that would be funny.
Speaker 2: I do think Turkey would make sense to attack just
Speaker 2: by merit of being Turkish. Like, think of it this way,
Speaker 2: if we had handled the Turkey problem fifty years ago,
Speaker 2: the young Turks never would have streamed like that show
Speaker 2: would not have happened.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and we could get all the all the
Speaker 1: millennial types on it or like on side, just by
Speaker 1: using the justification of Hassan Piker. It was sending his
Speaker 1: dog to like conversion therapy. God, it's for the dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like really no, but you know we needs Yeah,
Speaker 2: it would be funny to strap Hassan Piker to a missile.
Speaker 2: Can you say? I don't know if I don't he's
Speaker 2: that's I think.
Speaker 1: What you're so, I don't know if this is true.
Speaker 1: I'm not editing it out anyway. I think that you're
Speaker 1: safe with cartoonish, like wily coyote esque threats.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if you're like I, I you know, I want to
Speaker 1: drop like an acb uh and on his head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like paint to paint a vista onto a
Speaker 1: you know, a cliff face outside his house and have
Speaker 1: a run into it, or you know, pull out a
Speaker 1: bridge underneath him and and you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah fall until he looks down and and that would
Speaker 2: stuff like that would make like think about how much
Speaker 2: more popular Massad would be if instead of doing ship
Speaker 2: like blowing up people's pagers or you know all the
Speaker 2: other stuff, if they just did like funny pranks like
Speaker 2: like what if they like it's just like Jim from
Speaker 2: the Office style pranks like Israel Stock would go way up,
Speaker 2: especially with with with young people. Like if if Massad
Speaker 2: agents went into like Iran or you know whatever and
Speaker 2: just like strategically placed like I don't know, like a
Speaker 2: rake outside of Comane's front door so that he stepped
Speaker 2: on it and just like smacked him in the face,
Speaker 2: and then like every time a bodyguard ran out to
Speaker 2: save him, there was another rake smacking you know, and
Speaker 2: it just kept happening just like a cartoon. That would
Speaker 2: be much better for Massade. The whole conflict would be over,
Speaker 2: everyone would get along, they'd all be friends.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean maybe that's why they they you know,
Speaker 1: the footage of Epstein didn't sell. It's gone missing. This
Speaker 1: is because he did a you know Jim Helper stare
Speaker 1: at the camera and then Dooj's like he's just too charismatic.
Speaker 2: We could Yeah, yeah, Massade comes in. They sneak into
Speaker 2: the prison, They slide him his food and it's just
Speaker 2: a noose that's fully fully encased in jello.
Speaker 1: It cuts back to jeff to Jeffrey Epstein talking to
Speaker 1: the camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just looks up at the prison camera with
Speaker 2: the Jim Halpert look, you know, he's like, it's just
Speaker 2: fucking news to doing. It was a giant thing of jello.
Speaker 1: Just laying back full walks in with an entire pot
Speaker 1: or like a full of chili just drops. I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows. Maybe that's how the koib actually works, right,
Speaker 1: is that the Delta forest just walked in with the
Speaker 1: thing full of chili and then they have to play
Speaker 1: the little urns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, after it, they say you're either coming with us
Speaker 2: or we're gonna publish the video of you falling into
Speaker 2: this giant puddle of chili struggling to get out of it.
Speaker 1: Was like I had no choice. Now I'm getting getting
Speaker 1: paraded through New York like it's a Roman cry up.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, it's uh, I don't know it is.
Speaker 2: It is kind of an interesting, uh situation. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know when you're planning on releasing this.
Speaker 2: Things could have taken it.
Speaker 1: Well. I am planning on releasing this almost immediately, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I severely behind on content.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if this comes out more than probably two hours
Speaker 2: after re record it, all of this information you know
Speaker 2: well expired.
Speaker 1: But you know, how awful are we gonna feel if
Speaker 1: like I go to bed, you know, and I set
Speaker 1: this to come out, you know, tomorrow at eight and
Speaker 1: at like seven thirty, I get on the computer and
Speaker 1: I see du Bai reduced to ashes hit by Iranian duke.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, like like like we're here talking about how
Speaker 2: this whole thing would be better if it was just funny.
Speaker 2: You know. You schedule it for eight am, and at
Speaker 2: like four am, like seven nukes go off around the country,
Speaker 2: just like massive dirty bomb attacks.
Speaker 1: It's just a horrible radiation poisoning. And the last thing
Speaker 1: I think before I you know, gray out, my hair
Speaker 1: falls out, is like, should have hit released just a
Speaker 1: few minutes early.
Speaker 2: You know, right, you know it should have been more whimsical. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it is. Uh.
Speaker 1: Actually, if we're speaking about the real consequences of you know,
Speaker 1: this war or whatever, you've spoken about the very real
Speaker 1: timeline informations. But uh, I think our leaders really need
Speaker 1: to be much more considerate of how much of a
Speaker 1: bummer this could be for the podcast Americans, which like,
Speaker 1: look like, I don't know, Donald, I've only got but
Speaker 1: so much material on this If you could wrap it
Speaker 1: up quickly, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, A protracted engagement is of course difficult for
Speaker 2: content producers, you know, which which is war as hell.
Speaker 2: That's uh, you know how it goes.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh boo hoo, my my legs got blown off.
Speaker 1: I'll never walk again. Yeah, well I had to think
Speaker 1: of what to say for several weeks on end, So
Speaker 1: let's let's keep your problems in perspective.
Speaker 2: Well, I do think, uh, I don't know, I mean
Speaker 2: in terms of like actual stuff. I think it's kind
Speaker 2: of interesting that Marco Rubio came out what a few
Speaker 2: hours ago and basically said, yeah, we had to do
Speaker 2: this because of Israel like that.
Speaker 1: That's pretty anti Semitic of him to say.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's kind of intriguing in a way because
Speaker 2: it's like, on one hand, a lot of people like
Speaker 2: going into it. It's just like a yeah, it's kind
Speaker 2: of like, uh, you know, I don't know, kind of
Speaker 2: an unspoken or at least a something that only gets
Speaker 2: discussed in like a roundabout manner. So it is interesting
Speaker 2: for someone to just come out and be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we did this because Israel like they were going to
Speaker 2: do it, because I mean, he basically made comments to
Speaker 2: the effect that Israel was going to attack I ran regardless,
Speaker 2: and if they carry that out while we were not
Speaker 2: in the current posture that we're in, Uh, our casualties
Speaker 2: would have been significant, our ability to you know, defend
Speaker 2: would have been less than what it is. Uh. I
Speaker 2: don't really I don't know, I don't really know. Uh why.
Speaker 2: I guess like that just seems like one of those
Speaker 2: one of those comments that maybe you save for like
Speaker 2: a hot mic moment or something like that, Like that's
Speaker 2: an interesting public comment to make, I guess, uh, because
Speaker 2: it's obviously going to be extremely unpopular and for good reason.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's it's kind of like well, this
Speaker 2: is I guess it's the first very clear rift too,
Speaker 2: and like messaging, because the messaging on this has been
Speaker 2: pretty tight where it's just like, Okay, we're doing a
Speaker 2: limited engagement, you know whatever, regime change war because this
Speaker 2: is like an imminent threat to the United States, and
Speaker 2: then like two or three days later in the Secondary
Speaker 2: States like, oh, you know Israel like the and uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, that's that's an interesting shift.
Speaker 2: On one hand, it's like I don't think we're used
Speaker 2: to that level of just candor about the nature of
Speaker 2: our relationship in the Middle East with Israel people. Of course,
Speaker 2: it's not like an unpopular topic in our circles on Twitter,
Speaker 2: but I am I don't know. I mean, can you
Speaker 2: think of the time we're like an actual, you know,
Speaker 2: cabinet level official was just like, yeah, Israel's going to
Speaker 2: do this either way, so we kind of had to
Speaker 2: I mean, I think.
Speaker 1: Especially from Marco Rubio, right, who's not exactly an.
Speaker 2: Outsider, right, yeah, yeah, right, So you know that's interesting
Speaker 2: at least that definitely changes because you know, there's like
Speaker 2: there's a lot of complexity you know, to the situation,
Speaker 2: Like it is true, like you could make. So I
Speaker 2: think you can make a pretty reasonable case that it
Speaker 2: is in the US interests to change through the regime
Speaker 2: and Iran, like I think given their history in the
Speaker 2: Middle East post revolution, like that, that they have consistently
Speaker 2: been hostile to America. They have had several notable incidents
Speaker 2: where that they've killed American service members, disrupted the entire region,
Speaker 2: supplied people who have tried to kill and succeeded killing
Speaker 2: American service members. You know, they're they're basic basic premise
Speaker 2: of of like you know, uh, statehood is death to America.
Speaker 2: So from a purely like empire standpoint, like if if
Speaker 2: you if this were something that you read about, uh
Speaker 2: you know, from from like like Imperial Rome or something
Speaker 2: like if if you you know, crack a history book
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, well the goals position was death
Speaker 2: to Rome, and uh, you know, they've been launching a
Speaker 2: number of attacks and so Rome finally went in and
Speaker 2: like you know said, you know, fuck it, we ball.
Speaker 2: You know, from that standpoint, it's it's reasonable. I don't
Speaker 2: I don't know that there's a case to be made
Speaker 2: for this being urgent, Like I think you, like I said,
Speaker 2: you could make the case, like, yeah, these guys are
Speaker 2: just open enemies of the United States. They're openly hostile,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, so there's just objectively like, if
Speaker 2: if your fucking next door neighbors stated goal is I'm
Speaker 2: going to fucking kill you the next time I see you,
Speaker 2: you would have to be concerned about that. Uh. And
Speaker 2: so if you have a country who is you know,
Speaker 2: overtly hostile, you have to be concerned with that as well.
Speaker 2: But I don't know that there is any real urgency
Speaker 2: to merit this type of build up, and then responds
Speaker 2: I caveat that with of course, I don't have access
Speaker 2: to the same information that Donald Trump does, so who knows.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe there's an off chance that there was
Speaker 2: actually some type of eminent threat. It seems more likely
Speaker 2: that the imminent threat was Iran's inevitable retaliatory response after
Speaker 2: an Israeli strike, you know, So that again, from like
Speaker 2: a like a realistic standpoint, you do have to account
Speaker 2: for that, Like if you know that you're going to
Speaker 2: have US personnel in harm's way and you're in charge
Speaker 2: of the military, like, you do have to choose a
Speaker 2: course of action on that. You cannot ignore that and
Speaker 2: so you do have to do something. Now, whether that
Speaker 2: something is like you know, a large build up followed
Speaker 2: by you know, massive air campaigns or that kind of thing,
Speaker 2: the time will tell whether that bears out as being
Speaker 2: like a wise thing. But it is interesting and a
Speaker 2: little i don't know, almost risky for Rubio to come
Speaker 2: out and just blatantly just say like, yeah, this this
Speaker 2: was some of the circumstances involving this is that we
Speaker 2: kind of got roped into this because a regional uh
Speaker 2: you know, partner that that we have like you know,
Speaker 2: security agreements with was going to do this unilaterally and
Speaker 2: that was going to put us at risk, and so
Speaker 2: we had to basically absorb that risk by overwhelming force
Speaker 2: to to mitigate the risk of that post. Because then
Speaker 2: you you obviously run into the question of like, well,
Speaker 2: it is the US military's activity, uh, you know, or
Speaker 2: why would that be downstream of consequences at Israel imposes
Speaker 2: rather uh than self determined by you know, by US.
Speaker 2: That's you know, like no ships. That's the obvious problem.
Speaker 2: And so I don't see I don't see the upshot
Speaker 2: to Rubio just coming round out and saying that basically
Speaker 2: because that's obviously going to be very unpopular, and he
Speaker 2: could have just easily, you know, kept up the facade
Speaker 2: of just like, oh, well, you know, we had information
Speaker 2: there was going to be an attack or something to
Speaker 2: maintain some degree of like deniability there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, one of the other things that I
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about a lot with this is that, compared
Speaker 1: to the kind of general electorately, you and I are
Speaker 1: in a pretty ferociously anti bore An, anti Israel bubble.
Speaker 1: And look, those positions are more mainstream than they have
Speaker 1: historically been, and just because their minority opinions doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they're wrong are from it. But one of the things
Speaker 1: that I think about a lot is that for a
Speaker 1: lot of kind of normal people, this stuff is not
Speaker 1: as big of an issue in and of itself as
Speaker 1: it is to us. And so you know, you saw
Speaker 1: this with the you know, the Operation mid Night Hammer.
Speaker 1: You know that a bunch of people were saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, this will be the thing that supplits MAGA,
Speaker 1: this will be the thing that you know, since the
Speaker 1: Trump administration that didn't happen, that still may happen in
Speaker 1: the future. But I think one of the important things
Speaker 1: to look at with this is that you know, oftentimes
Speaker 1: something that is you know neutral to slightly unpopular can
Speaker 1: become a big problem due to opportunity cost. Right, this
Speaker 1: is what you chose to do instead of X, Y
Speaker 1: or Z right. And you know, really the narrative of
Speaker 1: in my mind the last year to year and a half,
Speaker 1: like really, you know, kind of after the point at
Speaker 1: which Dot with elon left and Doge kind of petered out,
Speaker 1: is they like, hey, look like nothing's happening, and you
Speaker 1: know I and you can look into this.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know Mark Mitchell Resmusin's done a great deal of
Speaker 1: reporting on this, is that there's you know, growing dissatisfaction
Speaker 1: with you know, any number of issues, whether it's you know, affordability,
Speaker 1: you know, the judiciary, the fact that the Save or
Speaker 1: the Save America Act whatever they're calling it now is
Speaker 1: kind of you know stuck. Is basically this feeling of like,
Speaker 1: hey guys, uh one, it is kind of weird. As
Speaker 1: you've said that, Rubo was like, yeah, this wasn't really
Speaker 1: our call. We were kind of forced into this because
Speaker 1: of you know, another group. But also it's like wait
Speaker 1: a minute, okay, So it's like the the thing you
Speaker 1: can get done. Is this right? Like what about what
Speaker 1: about all the stuff for us? And you know, like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not a huge electoral politics guy, but
Speaker 1: I think that that sentiment is growing. You see it
Speaker 1: in the you know, the data, and this is something
Speaker 1: that came up, you know, before the you know, the
Speaker 1: attacks kicked off with the you know, Huckabee's appearance on
Speaker 1: Tucker where he you know, asked him the very simple
Speaker 1: question was like, look like, you know, do do we
Speaker 1: live in a democracy? He's like, yeah, of course we do.
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, well, I mean, you know, eighty
Speaker 1: percent of people oppose you know, strikes on O rant
Speaker 1: and you know, the response is sort of this disciance genue,
Speaker 1: Oh well, we can't, let you know, polls make policy.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, okay, sure, guys. But seemingly this is
Speaker 1: the one issue for which there is the political will
Speaker 1: to get something done. And I'm not entirely sure how
Speaker 1: you get out of that narrative when everything on the
Speaker 1: domestic front seems to be just like gummed up forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's complicated by the fact that, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: you see you see this commentary about oh well, we
Speaker 2: better get the save Act out of this. And while
Speaker 2: I think that the Save Act should pass, like I
Speaker 2: think that the voting system in the United States is
Speaker 2: you know, horrible, like it's it's I think it's very
Speaker 2: obviously compromised, and I think at a minimum, it absolutely
Speaker 2: makes sense to have in person voting with proof of
Speaker 2: citizenship and photo id uh and and much of that
Speaker 2: is is provisioned SAVE Act. So I want that to pass.
Speaker 2: But the problem is if if the only way for
Speaker 2: American politicians to like begrudgingly agree to stop letting illegal
Speaker 2: aliens vote for their own infinite free money is to
Speaker 2: like do is all this huge solid of uh, you know,
Speaker 2: wiping out the regime in Iran, that only exacerbates the
Speaker 2: situation in my assessment, where it's like, yeah, the only
Speaker 2: way you can actually even like have a secure voting like,
Speaker 2: we will trade you this this is this is a
Speaker 2: quid pro quo where you're going to have to kill
Speaker 2: you know, a small but growing number of American service members, uh,
Speaker 2: in order to do Israel like this you know, favor
Speaker 2: and in exchange, they will let the politicians in the
Speaker 2: in the Senate, in the House that they have a
Speaker 2: disproportioned amount of influence over they will let them actually
Speaker 2: give you like a crumb of your own national self
Speaker 2: interest like that is that is concerning to me to
Speaker 2: put it mildly, like Okay, why can't you know, why
Speaker 2: why can't the American Senate like we really can't get
Speaker 2: more than fifty percent support for just making sure that
Speaker 2: only Americans vote, Like you know, this is not controversial
Speaker 2: at all, you know, to your point, like the I
Speaker 2: mean that that's an eighty twenty issue. That's more than
Speaker 2: an eighty twenty issue. But you know, not randomly attacking
Speaker 2: Iran is also very unpopular. So you have you have
Speaker 2: two things that have very clear like polling preferences that
Speaker 2: you're contraposed. And it's like, well, the only way you
Speaker 2: can you can have a treat is if you undertake
Speaker 2: this military action. Now, Like I that to me, like
Speaker 2: from where I'm sitting, as just being a random guy
Speaker 2: who stays up on politics, that seems to be the case.
Speaker 2: I'm open to being wrong on that. I don't know
Speaker 2: that I am I hope that I am wrong. I
Speaker 2: don't want that to be the case, you know, but
Speaker 2: that does seem to be the case. It's it's difficult
Speaker 2: to lay that out, especially because much of the uh,
Speaker 2: much of the like social media anti Semitism at this
Speaker 2: point is just like very cringe third world like conspiracy TRD,
Speaker 2: like real low budget, low IQ stuff that is just
Speaker 2: it's just not serious. But this the situation as it
Speaker 2: is developing right now, like as what we saw with
Speaker 2: you know, Marco Rubio's comments earlier today, this does of
Speaker 2: course continue, It doesn't doesn't do anything to like uh,
Speaker 2: as the kids would say, beat the allegations, I guess,
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: You know, this is what I'm saying. I don't consider
Speaker 2: it to be a nuanced take. I consider that to
Speaker 2: be just the flat reality. And I've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of people trying to you know, both under and under
Speaker 2: and overstate that on the timeline. I if but if
Speaker 2: it does bear out, if it is true that like
Speaker 2: this massive engagement which has caused American lives was undertaken
Speaker 2: primarily because Israel was going to do it regardless, and
Speaker 2: we needed to step in to make sure it was
Speaker 2: successful otherwise face graver risk to our own personnel that
Speaker 2: would be very bad. And it further raises the question
Speaker 2: of like what I mean, why even fucking bother having
Speaker 2: like a government, why bother having a Republican party, why
Speaker 2: bother with any of this stuff? I mean, these are
Speaker 2: common critiques in our circles. Like obviously the GOP is
Speaker 2: you know, it needs to be defeated, Like there's no
Speaker 2: point in having a GOP when stuff like this is
Speaker 2: you know, what's going to happen. So uh, you know,
Speaker 2: if there is uh like the other side of the
Speaker 2: coin on that, of course, is it Israel is uh
Speaker 2: like a regional ally, we do have security agreements in
Speaker 2: place with Israel, uh, and it is possible for Israeli
Speaker 2: interests in American interest to genuinely overlap. And so from
Speaker 2: like a state craft standpoint, you know, and again not
Speaker 2: having access to all of the information that you know,
Speaker 2: the people who make decisions presumably have access to, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, perhaps there there is like a non zero
Speaker 2: chance that in a long view, this serves both of
Speaker 2: our interests and so maybe it just makes sense to
Speaker 2: get it done even if it's unpopular, and so, you know,
Speaker 2: God willing, the engagement will be as short as it
Speaker 2: can be to have any type of meaningful long term
Speaker 2: effect on things. But I don't know, it's it's unclear
Speaker 2: that you know that is the case. So it's not
Speaker 2: that there are situations where American and Israeli interests can
Speaker 2: never align and we're just like, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: people say, oh, you know, America is Israel's lap dog
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and I understand, I see how
Speaker 2: people come to that conclusion. I don't know that that
Speaker 2: is is like the fully like the best way to
Speaker 2: characterize the relationship. But there's obviously some some undoe influence
Speaker 2: in Marco Rubio's comments definitely may make that that pretty obvious,
Speaker 2: I guess, So we'll kind of see what goes on,
Speaker 2: uh from there, because if anything, that will be what
Speaker 2: you know, kind of kind of causes more of a
Speaker 2: fracture on the right, just just coming right out and
Speaker 2: plain English and saying that. And then I don't know
Speaker 2: if there's any any calculation behind his choice in doing
Speaker 2: that too. Rubio is not like a careless speaker, He's
Speaker 2: not a flippant guy, and so part of me wonders
Speaker 2: if if that there is if he's saying that specifically
Speaker 2: for a for a reason, with with other goals in mind.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, honestly, like I think one of
Speaker 1: the irritating things about this is that it is sort
Speaker 1: of completely and totally opaque, I mean not really right,
Speaker 1: not not to people like us. But if there there
Speaker 1: was just the like, all right, guys, look, this is
Speaker 1: how it works. You have to you have to do
Speaker 1: something for us to get what you want. It's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know it's not a great situation. You know, you
Speaker 1: like to live in a country where you know, the
Speaker 1: purpose of your military and your you know, elected government
Speaker 1: was to actually do things for you. But at least
Speaker 1: then it'd be like, all right, like, okay, uh, you
Speaker 1: know how many give many children do I have to
Speaker 1: kill personally before you guys let me, I don't know,
Speaker 1: uh import a Toyota high lux or something like that.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not saying I do it, but
Speaker 1: it would put things into perspective, right, You could sort
Speaker 1: of form some sort of economy around this. You know what,
Speaker 1: what kind of gifts are you know, worth a certain
Speaker 1: amount because the you hear the allegation of shill thrown around,
Speaker 1: and you know there's something to that. But there's almost
Speaker 1: something more galling about the fact that, like a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys seem to just be doing it for free,
Speaker 1: you know, just for for love of the game. Sure,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, if you if you're going to
Speaker 1: be in a you know what what some should I say,
Speaker 1: critics would call it a kind of like occupied government,
Speaker 1: if you will. Guys like it just you know, pull
Speaker 1: the Jim Carrey masks off already, and just to be
Speaker 1: honest about it, you know, it at least make a
Speaker 1: little more sense, you know, because the kind of current
Speaker 1: situation just turning everyone insane. Yeah, and I get it, right,
Speaker 1: Like I've read the Epstein files. I've come to the
Speaker 1: conclusion that effectively everything is just the work of you know,
Speaker 1: the lizard people, the rothschilds that. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: whoever else you want. It's like, I get it. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'd appreciate a little bit of honesty,
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And you know, uh, the other concern, I guess,
Speaker 2: like there's there's a lot of freetards who, uh you
Speaker 2: hear the criticism of like third worldism and stuff like
Speaker 2: that come up, and it sometimes it's very valid. I
Speaker 2: think it's very annoying to go on the timeline and
Speaker 2: see you know, like a first generation black sick and teenager,
Speaker 2: you know, saying that like I don't know, like you're
Speaker 2: a goy slave something like that, because you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, you ate like a hamburger or something. You know,
Speaker 2: Like there's there is that like in the in the
Speaker 2: longer term, we're gonna have to figure something out here
Speaker 2: with this where it's like, yeah, let's let's kind of
Speaker 2: I don't know, get a little bit serious here, uh
Speaker 2: and not not fully go off the deep end into
Speaker 2: being like fully detached from reality, because that's that's the
Speaker 2: difficult thing. It seems like, uh, for a lot of
Speaker 2: much of like the internet space and our our part
Speaker 2: of the Internet has you know, I think the the
Speaker 2: you know, the best thinkers you know, and I certainly
Speaker 2: don't count myself in there. I'm stupid, but they're like
Speaker 2: like the people in our sphere that are have influence
Speaker 2: usually have things to say that are at least thoughtful.
Speaker 2: So I'm not really trying to throw shade, you know,
Speaker 2: is it any one in particular? I'm more talking about, like,
Speaker 2: you know, the TikTok slop that you see on the timeline,
Speaker 2: Like there there is a whole world of like elder
Speaker 2: millennials there are women with purple hair who are making
Speaker 2: videos about uh, you know, Jim Carrey is a shape
Speaker 2: shifter and Israel controls the fl at Earth, and you know, uh,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is has this, you know as barbecuing babies
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, where there there are a lot
Speaker 2: of people who are just kind of its kind of
Speaker 2: checked out, where it's just like, well, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I'm just not really going to engage with reality anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to engage with whatever, whatever produces clicks
Speaker 2: and attention and you know, things like that. Uh. And
Speaker 2: so that's that's a weird thing to exist, Like, that's
Speaker 2: a weird social layer to exist in a war because
Speaker 2: if if you think about think of the think about
Speaker 2: this particular conflict thus far in a historical context, we've
Speaker 2: uh so we're recording this on a Monday evening and
Speaker 2: this started what Friday morning, all right, so something like that.
Speaker 2: So we're like four days into it basically, and in
Speaker 2: those four days, according to what the publicly available information
Speaker 2: is at the time of this recording, the leader of
Speaker 2: Iran has been killed, most of the Iranian military leadership
Speaker 2: has been killed. The you know, Kamane's successor was killed.
Speaker 2: The previous president was killed. I think his successor's successor
Speaker 2: was killed. Their military has engaged now, I guess, and
Speaker 2: what has been coined the Mosaic defense, which is where
Speaker 2: they're just letting mid level commanders just kind of choose
Speaker 2: their own adventure as far as what they're going to do.
Speaker 2: So there's no central command structure guiding the Iranian military
Speaker 2: that is known publicly right now. The Iranian navy, at
Speaker 2: least as far as what was present in the Straits
Speaker 2: of Oremus, has been destroyed. So that's eleven surface ships
Speaker 2: that have been sung. You know, a very large portion
Speaker 2: of their ability to wage war has been effectively neutralized. Uh.
Speaker 2: You know this this is very one sided right now.
Speaker 2: And as the United States, like, time is our enemy
Speaker 2: in conflict, right like that's that is the relationship that
Speaker 2: we have with with success is that the longer it takes,
Speaker 2: the less successful it will be. So Time is obviously
Speaker 2: our enemy. But four days into it, you know, this
Speaker 2: war is pretty unpopular because of this social layer of
Speaker 2: social media, much of which is operated by people who
Speaker 2: are stupid and who are not engaging with reality whatsoever,
Speaker 2: but do have the ability to shape social consensus and
Speaker 2: political outcomes at the ballot box. Uh. So you know, obviously,
Speaker 2: like you, you are not a democracy enjoyer. Neither am
Speaker 2: I I think this This is just showing that you know,
Speaker 2: there there are some serious flaws with this system. Uh. However,
Speaker 2: you know, by all historical accounts, this is this is
Speaker 2: an overwhelming tactical military victory. Like there's no question of
Speaker 2: who who has been winning this engagement right now? The
Speaker 2: US military at this time. Uh, there are six known
Speaker 2: American personnel killed in action and three F fifteens that
Speaker 2: were shot down over Kuwait where the crew survived. So
Speaker 2: we've lost you know, three you know, big ticket items
Speaker 2: as far as hardware and you know, six personnel, which
Speaker 2: this is a tragedy, but by the cold metric of
Speaker 2: just you know, tactical success, like Iran is on the
Speaker 2: very very very shit end of this stick, and at
Speaker 2: any other time in history like this probably would have
Speaker 2: been been a winning thing to do. Like if if
Speaker 2: you you know, take it back two thousand years, if
Speaker 2: the king was like, oh yeah, we waged a war,
Speaker 2: we knocked all their shit out in four days, we
Speaker 2: lost six guys, we're coming home. You know, that would
Speaker 2: have been very popular domestically in you know, like Roman
Speaker 2: society or Spartan society or something like that, But in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, it's very you know, not popular. And
Speaker 2: not only that, but people who are otherwise intelligent are
Speaker 2: actively panicking about how it's all over where it's it's
Speaker 2: you know, there are people who are like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is this is the end, and I I love these
Speaker 2: counts where there's people's this that that's it for America.
Speaker 2: You know, the the meme posts about fill up your tanks,
Speaker 2: like the fucking it's the end of America. The dollars
Speaker 2: it's going to collapse tomorrow and no one's gonna be
Speaker 2: able to get fuel and there's going to be massive
Speaker 2: civil unrest and that's the end of the administration. And
Speaker 2: none of that, you know, is happening right now, Like
Speaker 2: that's not even close to happening. Like and you see
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff and it's like, dude, there are
Speaker 2: some real problems, it seems like in in the fundamental
Speaker 2: incentives that that precipitated this military action. However, you know,
Speaker 2: we don't source uh, you know, like like much of
Speaker 2: our fucking oil from the hostile Iranian regime. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't like this is not a realistic assessment of
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. And uh, Further, Iran poses no
Speaker 2: existential threat to the United States at all. They don't
Speaker 2: have an expeditionary military, like they have no ability to
Speaker 2: project force on our country, like they cannot do anything
Speaker 2: like this. This is, you know, a country that's largely
Speaker 2: walled in by God to stop them from fucking spreading.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's like, let's like there are some
Speaker 2: very valid criticism of this, but you know, there's no
Speaker 2: reason to be like shitting your pants, pissing your pants
Speaker 2: and crying about how it's the it's all over, because
Speaker 2: there's no indicationion of this like that that you know,
Speaker 2: at least not as as of this time. You know,
Speaker 2: this would this would really be the part that that
Speaker 2: schedule podcast release button could fuck up. But you know,
Speaker 2: there's really not all that much that could happen in
Speaker 2: terms of like direct military outcomes. Now we've been very
Speaker 2: lucky so far, like like the the there's not been
Speaker 2: an element of like quagmire at this time. Knock on wood,
Speaker 2: anything can happen. What's going on is a very complex
Speaker 2: operation involving several countries over hostile skies, Like it is
Speaker 2: entirely possible that some shit really goes off the rails,
Speaker 2: and you know, I hope that doesn't happen because I
Speaker 2: want my country to win. That's the other thing that
Speaker 2: not everyone seems to be able to mentally handle is
Speaker 2: that it's like, yeah, man, you can disagree with this
Speaker 2: going on and like still want it to work out.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's a term for that. It's
Speaker 2: it's called loyalty. Like that that's what that means. You know,
Speaker 2: like you should be rooting for your own and side.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like if you you know, like if
Speaker 2: your wife is going to do something fucking dumb and
Speaker 2: you're like, hey, look I don't think you should do that.
Speaker 2: I think it's a bad idea, and she's like, well,
Speaker 2: look it's really important to me, you know, let me
Speaker 2: ride this out. Well, you know, sometimes you got to
Speaker 2: back that up. And you know, being loyal to something,
Speaker 2: it can only apply under duress and when you're not
Speaker 2: entirely comfortable with the situation, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: it's not possible to show loyalty under convenient circumstances. So
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of fucking retards on Twitter, who's like,
Speaker 2: you know, what do you get Jackson Hinkle, who I
Speaker 2: long live Iran, we support Iran. And there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of recent immigrants who are just you know, posting NonStop
Speaker 2: about well, if we lose, you know, that's fun. We've
Speaker 2: we've got to come in. I hope whatever all these
Speaker 2: soldiers or whatever retards and I hope they die. That
Speaker 2: would be better than fucking doing something to help Israel,
Speaker 2: you know, YadA, YadA. There's the whole thing. And that's
Speaker 2: also you know, indicative of a problem. It's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: it's like that is also a perspective that is divorced
Speaker 2: from from reality, Like you should not want your country
Speaker 2: to fail, like just point blank like that that's fucking stupid,
Speaker 2: Like you shouldn't want people from your country to die,
Speaker 2: Like why do you think that would be good? You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, so, so what you're telling
Speaker 2: me is that it would be bad, uh and good
Speaker 2: simultaneously to die for Israel. Like you know, Uh, it's
Speaker 2: not a coherent position that a lot of these accounts
Speaker 2: have have managed to like convince themselves to adopt, and
Speaker 2: that that's an annoying aspect of this as well.
Speaker 1: No, certainly, And it's one of those things. Well where
Speaker 1: and this is sort of the danger of anything as
Speaker 1: it becomes popular, right, is your sort of become you're
Speaker 1: always at the mercy of that bottom quintile. And would
Speaker 1: we talk about you know, an awareness of what meer
Speaker 1: Scheimer would have called, like the Israel lobby or anything.
Speaker 1: When that was a minority position, it was easier to
Speaker 1: have an intelligent conversation. But as you know, due to
Speaker 1: is it has become more and more plain, you know,
Speaker 1: it has become more and more a part of you know,
Speaker 1: everyday conversation on both the left and the right. It
Speaker 1: is sort of you've become a stupider conversation and there's
Speaker 1: no way around that, right that, there's no way around
Speaker 1: you know that that kind of negative side of you know, popularization.
Speaker 1: But it still is incredibly irritating because to your point,
Speaker 1: you know, the idea that you should you know, root
Speaker 1: against your own nation or you know, hope for people
Speaker 1: like you to die because you disagree with executive policy.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, okay, no, like I don't agree with that,
Speaker 1: and does that mean that I, you know, like our
Speaker 1: government's allegiances. Far from it. But at a certain point
Speaker 1: it seems as if many people are allowing themselves to
Speaker 1: be driven crazy by this, and I understand it, like
Speaker 1: it's crazy making. But uh, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: it's a step too far. But Lee, it's it's getting late, man.
Speaker 1: This has been honestly a much more educational conversation than
Speaker 1: I think I was expecting. But dude, where could people
Speaker 1: find you?
Speaker 2: Mostly on Twitter? Right now? It's that short mag sml E. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's basically for now. I haven't laid it on a
Speaker 2: name for a substack. I'm still trying to figure something out,
Speaker 2: you know. But you just follow me on Twitter.
Speaker 1: As far as my stuff Ja Burdan Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,
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Speaker 1: it's a ton of fun, man, I appreciate it. I'll
Speaker 1: be in touch, dude,