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Speaker 1: Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly flapping

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his wing big down in a forest.

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Speaker 2: Man, it gonna cause the tree fall, letting five thousand

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miles away. Man, you think nobody seen, nobody else see.

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You don't need to know. Man, Like you followed another

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story and you got back like that.

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Speaker 1: I still win. Man.

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Speaker 2: Don't blackly dag on the panel. Man, Man, you don't

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don't matter. Man, I don't pay anyway.

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Speaker 1: So, uh, Lee, is is we getting World War three?

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Speaker 2: I certainly hope so, Man.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those things where it's like

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my feelings on this have really been uh compromised, Uh

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you know, not by my own principles, not by my

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own body of work, but mainly by the fact that

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everyone on any side of this issue has become so

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irritating that I just simply do not want to discuss

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it at all. Yeah, it's like the obviously you have

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the the the big fans of the war, who you know,

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almost immediately after basically being given like you know, uh,

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their version of Christmas and I don't know what that

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holiday is in that religion, but you got them right,

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you got Kamaedie. And then like four hours later, they're like, now,

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what we really need to do is get Turkey. You're like, guys,

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come on, man, jeez, yeah, come on the hutzpah if

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you will. But also, uh, every one of these sort

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of like you know, quote unquote kind of based you know,

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and desionists is just a imediately reverting to the most

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kind of cartoonish anti colonial, anti Western stuff. You're like,

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I is it possible for both of you to lose?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's been an unfortunate, you know, series of

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events on the timeline. And while I do agree, Uh,

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for instance, I would have I would have much rather

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glassed Turkey long before I ran, just just as retribution

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for them flooding the US firearms market with really bad shotguns.

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Speaker 1: Look, look, we can't glass Turkey too soon because I

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haven't actually figured out if my Turkish MP five works yet,

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and I'd at least like to get through one RMA

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cycle before that entire country's PREDU stashes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also, that's a special level of cope where you're not

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even arguing that you won't have to, you're just hoping

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to get the gun fixed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just exactly yeah, yeah, yeah, you need to

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send it back for finishing and the corrections and then

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then maybe it'll run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like this is the it's a much

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more honest version of politics, which is just setting aside

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any pretense at principles, really whatsoever, taking everything back to

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how does this affect me? And really, you know, I

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consider myself now heavily vested in the future of the

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Turkish government because of a singular consumer purchase.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jay Burdon, Turkey's number one guy.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to do with really any

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any foreign people at all is to learn just enough

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about their nation to make sweeping and offensive generalized statements

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with little to no backing. So hanging out with a

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bunch of guys right from various Balkans countries, I be

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honestly still don't understand. I'm with one of my buddies

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who's like, his family's been here forever, his farm is

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deeded by the king, right, like the most American person

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on the planet, and he doesn't know these guys. So

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he's like, hey, you know, just like be cool, don't

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say anything weird, Like yeah, sure, I'll introduce you to everyone.

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I walk in them like, hey, yeah, this is my buddy.

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He's an arch Albanian nationalist, and then just leave the room,

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just throw them into Yeah exactly. Do I know which

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one of them hate Albanians? No, are any of the

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Albanian Quite possibly, But I do know. I've used social

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media to know that someone will get mad about that,

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and that's funny.

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don't know. Man. The the timeline, The trouble with a

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lot of this is the timeline was on a pretty

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rapid decline really ever since the Charlie Kirk shooting and

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war in Iran, I mean, these things. The nature of

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and so you know, people just get out over their

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skis and they start, uh, you know, you get a

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fair mix of like, oh, well, there's no way this

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could go wrong. It's just gonna be no big deal.

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any type of discernment. And I know there's a you know,

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you know, that's kind of the mode of the Twitter account.

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account or something like that. And so it is annoying

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watching people who are generally posting better takes or otherwise

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intelligent just absolutely coming unglued one way or another over

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things that are by definition unfolding in real time and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you really have to. You have to

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give the Iranians credit because for seemingly no reason, like

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which is to uh send highly explosive ordinance into Dubai

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uh much much like the Iranian regime. I don't have

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a great reason either, but it just sort of offends

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me as a city. So you know, if we're we're

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assigning you know, who's who's you know, your team in

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this obviously like okay, yeah, my government's involved, So that's

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something you know, they're there are people like me who've

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part of it. But also, I mean, you know, if

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least that that kind of bias going into it.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and it's uh, you know, every time I

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stop to get a monster or you know, protein bar

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or something, the counter at every gas station in the

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fucking country has a little section of fake like Dubai chocolate,

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which I don't you know, euphemism aside, I don't really

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know what that means. Like I see the rapper and

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it's like, it looks like this is a small chocolate

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bar with like some green shit on the inside of it,

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and I don't like it at all. It's it's new.

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come from places like Dubai, and it makes my already

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bad gas station experience even worse. And so if they

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have to eat a couple of strays, you know they

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going to charge that one to the game.

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Speaker 1: Well in addition, because I actually you bring that up

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in complete agreements, I'm confused by the presence of this

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to buy chocolate, because I don't know if I've ever

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seen anyone buy it. It just seems to stay there forever.

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a TikTok trend Yester month or something like that. Uh,

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but for some reason, every seven eleven in America has

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just decided to take up like fifty percent of their

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counterspace with this one product.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it has the same like spiritual vibe as.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: How how a fair portion of like the American the

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African American community seems to really enjoy having food brought

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to them that is just extremely elaborate for no reason,

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like five hundred dollars to have a shitty steak brought

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to them because it's in like golden tinfoil or something.

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where it's like I don't think, like what was wrong

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I think the chocolate bar was fine. Now it's on

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the counter next to like CBD gummies and you know

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it's got a vegetable inside of it for some reason

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or whatever that is, and I don't like it. I

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could do without it. And so if Dubai you know,

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goes down, yeah, a fiery storm of fucking swarming death

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drones yeah, it's fair enough, fair enough that you know

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these things. Everything, everything has a price.

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Speaker 1: Well look, uh Lee, you're a gym goer, a fitnessman,

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so maybe you can explain this today. When and why

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did every kind of low rent fitness influencer decide to

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move to Dubai all at once? Because I don't pretend

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to really pay attention to that world, I find it, uh,

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sort of bizarre. It seems to me to be kind

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of solved science, and yet we are still creating new

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jacked guys and giving them millions of dollars for being

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jacked guys, and then you know, selling supplements or whatever.

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uh yeah sure yeah, looks maxers. I don't know what

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insights to offer early now?

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Speaker 1: Or maybe it's the same thing as the you know,

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the Instagram models getting the dubai jo will.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, uh, there there's some Yeah, it's like

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a mix. There's some some organic interest from the like

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wealthy faction of the Arab world to get into like

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more base uh Arabian desire to defecate on Caucasian females

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in exchange for what to them is tremendous amounts of

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money and what to the Arab guy is a tiny,

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you know, pittance. So I think that's basically it.

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Speaker 1: Which I mean, you know, you came up through the

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it's just an efficient market, right, we have uh you know,

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uh very wealthy men uh just you know, looking for

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a dissolution, and uh who are we to in any

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way object to that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I mean everyone needs a place to ship

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and uh, you know, the Anglo uses the toilet, the

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on Instagram, and so you know, it just kind of

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is what it is, but you know, it just makes

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it tough to cry over a couple of drones that go,

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of course, well and.

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Speaker 1: To your to your point about the whole uh you know,

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kind of weird deck into the chocolate thing. It's you know,

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one of these things that you know, I feel like

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the kind of like bizarre excessive displays of wealth from

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from the kind of emirate states. You know, like you

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always see this of like oh, you know, all the

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police cars and Dubai are just you know, Gottis and Porschas,

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and you're like, well, I mean that's that's neat. I guess,

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like that's kind of cool. And then you you know,

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you dig into all of these kind of like you know,

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incredibly you know, over the top building projects which seem

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to be just sort of some elaborate kind of money

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laundering scheme, and then you realize like, oh wait, like

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eighty percent of the population just lives on welfare. It's

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like this is a very bizarre society. Yeah, obviously you

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have the kind of like obligatory like oh this you know,

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late stage, late stage capitalism type of type of you know,

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analysis on it. But I just do not understand it fundamentally.

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Speaker 2: I think it's funny. It's like I enjoy it because

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unlike and maybe this is you know, like a shitty

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thing to say, but I feel like from like very

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wealthy people in America, Like I look at people who

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you know, are just orders of magnitude better off financially

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that I am, and I think to myself, like, well,

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what do they do? Like what can I learn from

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their you know, their habits or their pattern of behavior,

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the way that they solve problems or consider things or

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that type of deal. But when I see, like, you know,

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some guy with like a fucking leopard in a Ferrari,

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just like I feel the same way about that guy

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as I do about seeing George Floyd driving around in

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a Nissan CenTra, and I feel like that's why they

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do it over there, because they think that it is

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like viewed with respect or admiration, and at least for me,

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it's not, you know, it's just like this is the

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is fucking retarded to have a for a police car

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like this is this is like the most hood rich,

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like the thing that you could ever you could ever

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dream up, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a good way to describe. It's sort of

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like you took an entire you basically took an entire

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country and just let them win the lottery. Yeah, yeah,

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somehow it's still going on, right, Yeah, there's some like

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yeah that the the like the the nation state version

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of winning the lottery.

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Speaker 2: Well that's why they call it black goal is because

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if you have a bunch of it, you just act

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like a black guy who want a bunch of scrash

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off tickets.

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Speaker 1: And the worst part is, at least allegedly, right, it's that,

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you know, the Arabs can't drink and can't smoke, so

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it's like all of that all that wealth with no

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you don't know Henny and Swishers, Right, it's like you

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don't what's the brother to do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just just play pimping, that's uh, you know,

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and it's a yeah, it's a weird. It's a weird thing,

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you know. And viewed through that lens, I think it's

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obvious that I ran was the wrong target. Uh, you know,

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like it would have been. It would have been way

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funnier if we had just randomly just really fucking hit

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Dubai just for like no real reason at all other

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than just they're they're like, uh, extreme opulence. Like if

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we just did it to just like knock them down

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a peg, like, it would be really funny to watch

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a tens doing gun runs on like rows of police ferraris.

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You know that would that would have been much better.

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I mean, and they, as far as I know, they

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have no real way of fighting that off like it

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at least as poorly as it has performed. At least

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Iran had the common sense to have some type of

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military posture. I don't even know that Debai has anything

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like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that this is, you know, because

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there's a lot of conversations going around like, oh, you know,

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why did this happen? I said, we know why, you know,

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really you know, gazing into the crystal ball. And I

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think that, you know, as our new strategic footing needs

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to just be the you know, to to really kind

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of bamboozle everyone by just doing things because they're funny.

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So yeah, you know, we have this strong precedent with

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the Maduro raid, you know, hitting him with with the

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goy beam, just reducing like forty Cuban guys to like

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a bowl full of spaghetti. Yeah, that's pretty funny. Yeah,

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but who else is on your doesn't make sense, but

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it would be funny. List I'm going to go out

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on a limb and say, Cherokee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We obviously there's some unfinished business there, but they've been

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complaining a lot or yeah, I don't know. Let's say

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that they have, you know, just you know, put up

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another easy win on the board.

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Speaker 2: It would be funny if they did. Who's the Who's

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the Twitter guy? Dakota Lakota Man? That would be a

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good one for the FBI. It's just him in person

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like Pere Uh yeah, I mean as far as Nation

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state actors. I don't know though.

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Speaker 1: We got to send like, you know, like a Delta

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Force or Seal Team six in but with like Sharp's

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car beams and swords, just to like, you know, world

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time sake, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be funny, uh to like hit France

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and capture Emmanuel Macrone and just give him like an

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atomic wedgie, you know, and just like live stream it

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and then just leave. You don't kill him or anything

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like that. You just really humane.

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Speaker 1: Pimply give him sex reassignment surgery just to make candas

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o One's right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know that would be that would be funny.

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I do think Turkey would make sense to attack just

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by merit of being Turkish. Like, think of it this way,

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if we had handled the Turkey problem fifty years ago,

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the young Turks never would have streamed like that show

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would not have happened.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and we could get all the all the

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millennial types on it or like on side, just by

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using the justification of Hassan Piker. It was sending his

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dog to like conversion therapy. God, it's for the dogs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like really no, but you know we needs Yeah,

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it would be funny to strap Hassan Piker to a missile.

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Can you say? I don't know if I don't he's

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that's I think.

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Speaker 1: What you're so, I don't know if this is true.

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I'm not editing it out anyway. I think that you're

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safe with cartoonish, like wily coyote esque threats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So if you're like I, I you know, I want to

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drop like an acb uh and on his head. Yeah,

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you know, like paint to paint a vista onto a

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you know, a cliff face outside his house and have

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a run into it, or you know, pull out a

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bridge underneath him and and you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah fall until he looks down and and that would

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stuff like that would make like think about how much

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more popular Massad would be if instead of doing ship

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like blowing up people's pagers or you know all the

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other stuff, if they just did like funny pranks like

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like what if they like it's just like Jim from

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the Office style pranks like Israel Stock would go way up,

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especially with with with young people. Like if if Massad

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agents went into like Iran or you know whatever and

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just like strategically placed like I don't know, like a

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rake outside of Comane's front door so that he stepped

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on it and just like smacked him in the face,

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and then like every time a bodyguard ran out to

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save him, there was another rake smacking you know, and

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it just kept happening just like a cartoon. That would

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be much better for Massade. The whole conflict would be over,

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everyone would get along, they'd all be friends.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean maybe that's why they they you know,

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the footage of Epstein didn't sell. It's gone missing. This

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is because he did a you know Jim Helper stare

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at the camera and then Dooj's like he's just too charismatic.

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Speaker 2: We could Yeah, yeah, Massade comes in. They sneak into

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the prison, They slide him his food and it's just

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a noose that's fully fully encased in jello.

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Speaker 1: It cuts back to jeff to Jeffrey Epstein talking to

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the camera.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he just looks up at the prison camera with

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the Jim Halpert look, you know, he's like, it's just

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fucking news to doing. It was a giant thing of jello.

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Speaker 1: Just laying back full walks in with an entire pot

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or like a full of chili just drops. I mean,

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who knows. Maybe that's how the koib actually works, right,

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is that the Delta forest just walked in with the

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thing full of chili and then they have to play

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the little urns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, after it, they say you're either coming with us

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or we're gonna publish the video of you falling into

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this giant puddle of chili struggling to get out of it.

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Speaker 1: Was like I had no choice. Now I'm getting getting

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paraded through New York like it's a Roman cry up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, it's uh, I don't know it is.

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It is kind of an interesting, uh situation. I mean,

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I don't I don't know when you're planning on releasing this.

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Things could have taken it.

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Speaker 1: Well. I am planning on releasing this almost immediately, okay, yeah,

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because I severely behind on content.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if this comes out more than probably two hours

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after re record it, all of this information you know

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well expired.

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Speaker 1: But you know, how awful are we gonna feel if

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like I go to bed, you know, and I set

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this to come out, you know, tomorrow at eight and

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at like seven thirty, I get on the computer and

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I see du Bai reduced to ashes hit by Iranian duke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, like like like we're here talking about how

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this whole thing would be better if it was just funny.

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You know. You schedule it for eight am, and at

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like four am, like seven nukes go off around the country,

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just like massive dirty bomb attacks.

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Speaker 1: It's just a horrible radiation poisoning. And the last thing

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I think before I you know, gray out, my hair

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falls out, is like, should have hit released just a

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few minutes early.

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Speaker 2: You know, right, you know it should have been more whimsical. Yeah, no,

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it is. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Actually, if we're speaking about the real consequences of you know,

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this war or whatever, you've spoken about the very real

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timeline informations. But uh, I think our leaders really need

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to be much more considerate of how much of a

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bummer this could be for the podcast Americans, which like,

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look like, I don't know, Donald, I've only got but

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so much material on this If you could wrap it

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up quickly, I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, A protracted engagement is of course difficult for

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content producers, you know, which which is war as hell.

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That's uh, you know how it goes.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh boo hoo, my my legs got blown off.

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I'll never walk again. Yeah, well I had to think

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of what to say for several weeks on end, So

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let's let's keep your problems in perspective.

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Speaker 2: Well, I do think, uh, I don't know, I mean

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in terms of like actual stuff. I think it's kind

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of interesting that Marco Rubio came out what a few

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hours ago and basically said, yeah, we had to do

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this because of Israel like that.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty anti Semitic of him to say.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's kind of intriguing in a way because

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it's like, on one hand, a lot of people like

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going into it. It's just like a yeah, it's kind

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of like, uh, you know, I don't know, kind of

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an unspoken or at least a something that only gets

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discussed in like a roundabout manner. So it is interesting

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for someone to just come out and be like, yeah,

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we did this because Israel like they were going to

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do it, because I mean, he basically made comments to

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the effect that Israel was going to attack I ran regardless,

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and if they carry that out while we were not

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in the current posture that we're in, Uh, our casualties

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would have been significant, our ability to you know, defend

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would have been less than what it is. Uh. I

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don't really I don't know, I don't really know. Uh why.

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I guess like that just seems like one of those

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one of those comments that maybe you save for like

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a hot mic moment or something like that, Like that's

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an interesting public comment to make, I guess, uh, because

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it's obviously going to be extremely unpopular and for good reason.

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But you know, it's it's kind of like well, this

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is I guess it's the first very clear rift too,

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and like messaging, because the messaging on this has been

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pretty tight where it's just like, Okay, we're doing a

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limited engagement, you know whatever, regime change war because this

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is like an imminent threat to the United States, and

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then like two or three days later in the Secondary

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States like, oh, you know Israel like the and uh,

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I don't know, you know, that's that's an interesting shift.

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On one hand, it's like I don't think we're used

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to that level of just candor about the nature of

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our relationship in the Middle East with Israel people. Of course,

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it's not like an unpopular topic in our circles on Twitter,

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but I am I don't know. I mean, can you

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think of the time we're like an actual, you know,

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cabinet level official was just like, yeah, Israel's going to

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do this either way, so we kind of had to

472
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:04,519
I mean, I think.

473
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:15,359
Speaker 1: Especially from Marco Rubio, right, who's not exactly an.

474
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: Outsider, right, yeah, yeah, right, So you know that's interesting

475
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:27,880
at least that definitely changes because you know, there's like

476
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:34,960
there's a lot of complexity you know, to the situation,

477
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:39,640
Like it is true, like you could make. So I

478
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,079
think you can make a pretty reasonable case that it

479
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:49,799
is in the US interests to change through the regime

480
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:57,359
and Iran, like I think given their history in the

481
00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:00,799
Middle East post revolution, like that, that they have consistently

482
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:05,319
been hostile to America. They have had several notable incidents

483
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:09,680
where that they've killed American service members, disrupted the entire region,

484
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,920
supplied people who have tried to kill and succeeded killing

485
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:21,319
American service members. You know, they're they're basic basic premise

486
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,400
of of like you know, uh, statehood is death to America.

487
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,480
So from a purely like empire standpoint, like if if

488
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:37,440
you if this were something that you read about, uh

489
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,480
you know, from from like like Imperial Rome or something

490
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:45,720
like if if you you know, crack a history book

491
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:49,440
and it's like, yeah, well the goals position was death

492
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,400
to Rome, and uh, you know, they've been launching a

493
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,759
number of attacks and so Rome finally went in and

494
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:58,079
like you know said, you know, fuck it, we ball.

495
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,640
You know, from that standpoint, it's it's reasonable. I don't

496
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,400
I don't know that there's a case to be made

497
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,920
for this being urgent, Like I think you, like I said,

498
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,799
you could make the case, like, yeah, these guys are

499
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:16,680
just open enemies of the United States. They're openly hostile,

500
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:22,960
and uh, you know, so there's just objectively like, if

501
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:26,160
if your fucking next door neighbors stated goal is I'm

502
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,000
going to fucking kill you the next time I see you,

503
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,920
you would have to be concerned about that. Uh. And

504
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,359
so if you have a country who is you know,

505
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:36,920
overtly hostile, you have to be concerned with that as well.

506
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:42,839
But I don't know that there is any real urgency

507
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:47,440
to merit this type of build up, and then responds

508
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,359
I caveat that with of course, I don't have access

509
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:58,839
to the same information that Donald Trump does, so who knows.

510
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,880
You know, maybe there's an off chance that there was

511
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,279
actually some type of eminent threat. It seems more likely

512
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:12,480
that the imminent threat was Iran's inevitable retaliatory response after

513
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:19,240
an Israeli strike, you know, So that again, from like

514
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:24,759
a like a realistic standpoint, you do have to account

515
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:27,519
for that, Like if you know that you're going to

516
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:33,960
have US personnel in harm's way and you're in charge

517
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,000
of the military, like, you do have to choose a

518
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:40,720
course of action on that. You cannot ignore that and

519
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:45,119
so you do have to do something. Now, whether that

520
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,720
something is like you know, a large build up followed

521
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:53,359
by you know, massive air campaigns or that kind of thing,

522
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,480
the time will tell whether that bears out as being

523
00:33:56,519 --> 00:34:00,440
like a wise thing. But it is interesting and a

524
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:06,279
little i don't know, almost risky for Rubio to come

525
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:10,519
out and just blatantly just say like, yeah, this this

526
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,119
was some of the circumstances involving this is that we

527
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:17,199
kind of got roped into this because a regional uh

528
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,360
you know, partner that that we have like you know,

529
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,760
security agreements with was going to do this unilaterally and

530
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,360
that was going to put us at risk, and so

531
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:32,239
we had to basically absorb that risk by overwhelming force

532
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,920
to to mitigate the risk of that post. Because then

533
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,920
you you obviously run into the question of like, well,

534
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:47,000
it is the US military's activity, uh, you know, or

535
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,400
why would that be downstream of consequences at Israel imposes

536
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:56,360
rather uh than self determined by you know, by US.

537
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,760
That's you know, like no ships. That's the obvious problem.

538
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,480
And so I don't see I don't see the upshot

539
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,039
to Rubio just coming round out and saying that basically

540
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:12,559
because that's obviously going to be very unpopular, and he

541
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,760
could have just easily, you know, kept up the facade

542
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,480
of just like, oh, well, you know, we had information

543
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:19,440
there was going to be an attack or something to

544
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:23,679
maintain some degree of like deniability there.

545
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, one of the other things that I

546
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:35,119
I'm thinking about a lot with this is that, compared

547
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:38,840
to the kind of general electorately, you and I are

548
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:46,199
in a pretty ferociously anti bore An, anti Israel bubble.

549
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,280
And look, those positions are more mainstream than they have

550
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,960
historically been, and just because their minority opinions doesn't mean

551
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,400
they're wrong are from it. But one of the things

552
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,159
that I think about a lot is that for a

553
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:08,639
lot of kind of normal people, this stuff is not

554
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:12,239
as big of an issue in and of itself as

555
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,960
it is to us. And so you know, you saw

556
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,519
this with the you know, the Operation mid Night Hammer.

557
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:21,840
You know that a bunch of people were saying like, oh,

558
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,960
you know, this will be the thing that supplits MAGA,

559
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:26,320
this will be the thing that you know, since the

560
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,639
Trump administration that didn't happen, that still may happen in

561
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:34,199
the future. But I think one of the important things

562
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,880
to look at with this is that you know, oftentimes

563
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:43,400
something that is you know neutral to slightly unpopular can

564
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:49,320
become a big problem due to opportunity cost. Right, this

565
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,440
is what you chose to do instead of X, Y

566
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:56,400
or Z right. And you know, really the narrative of

567
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:59,760
in my mind the last year to year and a half,

568
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,239
like really, you know, kind of after the point at

569
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,159
which Dot with elon left and Doge kind of petered out,

570
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,719
is they like, hey, look like nothing's happening, and you

571
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,880
know I and you can look into this.

572
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: Uh.

573
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: You know Mark Mitchell Resmusin's done a great deal of

574
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,599
reporting on this, is that there's you know, growing dissatisfaction

575
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,199
with you know, any number of issues, whether it's you know, affordability,

576
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,880
you know, the judiciary, the fact that the Save or

577
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,920
the Save America Act whatever they're calling it now is

578
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,159
kind of you know stuck. Is basically this feeling of like,

579
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:39,239
hey guys, uh one, it is kind of weird. As

580
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,400
you've said that, Rubo was like, yeah, this wasn't really

581
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,719
our call. We were kind of forced into this because

582
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,840
of you know, another group. But also it's like wait

583
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,519
a minute, okay, So it's like the the thing you

584
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,840
can get done. Is this right? Like what about what

585
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,039
about all the stuff for us? And you know, like

586
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,679
I said, I'm not a huge electoral politics guy, but

587
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,159
I think that that sentiment is growing. You see it

588
00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:07,400
in the you know, the data, and this is something

589
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,679
that came up, you know, before the you know, the

590
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,760
attacks kicked off with the you know, Huckabee's appearance on

591
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,400
Tucker where he you know, asked him the very simple

592
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,400
question was like, look like, you know, do do we

593
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,800
live in a democracy? He's like, yeah, of course we do.

594
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,960
It's like, all right, well, I mean, you know, eighty

595
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,400
percent of people oppose you know, strikes on O rant

596
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,400
and you know, the response is sort of this disciance genue,

597
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,760
Oh well, we can't, let you know, polls make policy.

598
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,920
It's like, yeah, okay, sure, guys. But seemingly this is

599
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,880
the one issue for which there is the political will

600
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,840
to get something done. And I'm not entirely sure how

601
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,000
you get out of that narrative when everything on the

602
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,400
domestic front seems to be just like gummed up forever.

603
00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's complicated by the fact that, uh, you know,

604
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,239
you see you see this commentary about oh well, we

605
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:07,360
better get the save Act out of this. And while

606
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,000
I think that the Save Act should pass, like I

607
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:14,880
think that the voting system in the United States is

608
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:18,480
you know, horrible, like it's it's I think it's very

609
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:24,079
obviously compromised, and I think at a minimum, it absolutely

610
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:27,039
makes sense to have in person voting with proof of

611
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:31,599
citizenship and photo id uh and and much of that

612
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,239
is is provisioned SAVE Act. So I want that to pass.

613
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:46,119
But the problem is if if the only way for

614
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:52,559
American politicians to like begrudgingly agree to stop letting illegal

615
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:57,840
aliens vote for their own infinite free money is to

616
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:04,360
like do is all this huge solid of uh, you know,

617
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:10,559
wiping out the regime in Iran, that only exacerbates the

618
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:14,039
situation in my assessment, where it's like, yeah, the only

619
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:17,840
way you can actually even like have a secure voting like,

620
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,559
we will trade you this this is this is a

621
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:25,519
quid pro quo where you're going to have to kill

622
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:32,000
you know, a small but growing number of American service members, uh,

623
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,559
in order to do Israel like this you know, favor

624
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,320
and in exchange, they will let the politicians in the

625
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,519
in the Senate, in the House that they have a

626
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:49,840
disproportioned amount of influence over they will let them actually

627
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,440
give you like a crumb of your own national self

628
00:40:54,440 --> 00:41:00,280
interest like that is that is concerning to me to

629
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:06,800
put it mildly, like Okay, why can't you know, why

630
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,920
why can't the American Senate like we really can't get

631
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,079
more than fifty percent support for just making sure that

632
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,159
only Americans vote, Like you know, this is not controversial

633
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:23,199
at all, you know, to your point, like the I

634
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:25,000
mean that that's an eighty twenty issue. That's more than

635
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,400
an eighty twenty issue. But you know, not randomly attacking

636
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,039
Iran is also very unpopular. So you have you have

637
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:38,199
two things that have very clear like polling preferences that

638
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,639
you're contraposed. And it's like, well, the only way you

639
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:44,639
can you can have a treat is if you undertake

640
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:51,039
this military action. Now, Like I that to me, like

641
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:53,960
from where I'm sitting, as just being a random guy

642
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:58,199
who stays up on politics, that seems to be the case.

643
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,119
I'm open to being wrong on that. I don't know

644
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,039
that I am I hope that I am wrong. I

645
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,039
don't want that to be the case, you know, but

646
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:10,559
that does seem to be the case. It's it's difficult

647
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:18,119
to lay that out, especially because much of the uh,

648
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,920
much of the like social media anti Semitism at this

649
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:30,280
point is just like very cringe third world like conspiracy TRD,

650
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,559
like real low budget, low IQ stuff that is just

651
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:41,639
it's just not serious. But this the situation as it

652
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:43,760
is developing right now, like as what we saw with

653
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:49,400
you know, Marco Rubio's comments earlier today, this does of

654
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,679
course continue, It doesn't doesn't do anything to like uh,

655
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,199
as the kids would say, beat the allegations, I guess,

656
00:42:59,039 --> 00:42:59,440
And so.

657
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: It is.

658
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,599
Speaker 2: You know, this is what I'm saying. I don't consider

659
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:09,760
it to be a nuanced take. I consider that to

660
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,960
be just the flat reality. And I've seen a lot

661
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,960
of people trying to you know, both under and under

662
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:25,599
and overstate that on the timeline. I if but if

663
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:28,679
it does bear out, if it is true that like

664
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:37,239
this massive engagement which has caused American lives was undertaken

665
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,079
primarily because Israel was going to do it regardless, and

666
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,360
we needed to step in to make sure it was

667
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,760
successful otherwise face graver risk to our own personnel that

668
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,000
would be very bad. And it further raises the question

669
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:01,000
of like what I mean, why even fucking bother having

670
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:04,639
like a government, why bother having a Republican party, why

671
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:07,480
bother with any of this stuff? I mean, these are

672
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:11,280
common critiques in our circles. Like obviously the GOP is

673
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,320
you know, it needs to be defeated, Like there's no

674
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,679
point in having a GOP when stuff like this is

675
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,679
you know, what's going to happen. So uh, you know,

676
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,960
if there is uh like the other side of the

677
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,400
coin on that, of course, is it Israel is uh

678
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:33,960
like a regional ally, we do have security agreements in

679
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,239
place with Israel, uh, and it is possible for Israeli

680
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,480
interests in American interest to genuinely overlap. And so from

681
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,159
like a state craft standpoint, you know, and again not

682
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,559
having access to all of the information that you know,

683
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,320
the people who make decisions presumably have access to, uh,

684
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,599
you know, perhaps there there is like a non zero

685
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:03,920
chance that in a long view, this serves both of

686
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,320
our interests and so maybe it just makes sense to

687
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,320
get it done even if it's unpopular, and so, you know,

688
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,079
God willing, the engagement will be as short as it

689
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,800
can be to have any type of meaningful long term

690
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:23,840
effect on things. But I don't know, it's it's unclear

691
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,280
that you know that is the case. So it's not

692
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,000
that there are situations where American and Israeli interests can

693
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:35,280
never align and we're just like, I don't know, you know,

694
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,239
people say, oh, you know, America is Israel's lap dog

695
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,199
and stuff like that, and I understand, I see how

696
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:47,559
people come to that conclusion. I don't know that that

697
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,760
is is like the fully like the best way to

698
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,159
characterize the relationship. But there's obviously some some undoe influence

699
00:45:56,159 --> 00:46:02,559
in Marco Rubio's comments definitely may make that that pretty obvious,

700
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:06,000
I guess, So we'll kind of see what goes on,

701
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:09,679
uh from there, because if anything, that will be what

702
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:12,639
you know, kind of kind of causes more of a

703
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:14,679
fracture on the right, just just coming right out and

704
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:16,480
plain English and saying that. And then I don't know

705
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,519
if there's any any calculation behind his choice in doing

706
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:22,280
that too. Rubio is not like a careless speaker, He's

707
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,880
not a flippant guy, and so part of me wonders

708
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,920
if if that there is if he's saying that specifically

709
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,559
for a for a reason, with with other goals in mind.

710
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, honestly, like I think one of

711
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,199
the irritating things about this is that it is sort

712
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:46,880
of completely and totally opaque, I mean not really right,

713
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,719
not not to people like us. But if there there

714
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,719
was just the like, all right, guys, look, this is

715
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,199
how it works. You have to you have to do

716
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,880
something for us to get what you want. It's like, okay, well,

717
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,039
you know it's not a great situation. You know, you

718
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,920
like to live in a country where you know, the

719
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,519
purpose of your military and your you know, elected government

720
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:09,519
was to actually do things for you. But at least

721
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:12,119
then it'd be like, all right, like, okay, uh, you

722
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:14,960
know how many give many children do I have to

723
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:19,599
kill personally before you guys let me, I don't know,

724
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:22,079
uh import a Toyota high lux or something like that.

725
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,159
And you know, I'm not saying I do it, but

726
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:28,320
it would put things into perspective, right, You could sort

727
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,800
of form some sort of economy around this. You know what,

728
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,159
what kind of gifts are you know, worth a certain

729
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:38,960
amount because the you hear the allegation of shill thrown around,

730
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,039
and you know there's something to that. But there's almost

731
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,599
something more galling about the fact that, like a lot

732
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:47,639
of these guys seem to just be doing it for free,

733
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:50,519
you know, just for for love of the game. Sure,

734
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:53,760
and uh, you know, if you if you're going to

735
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,800
be in a you know what what some should I say,

736
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,800
critics would call it a kind of like occupied government,

737
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,480
if you will. Guys like it just you know, pull

738
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:11,000
the Jim Carrey masks off already, and just to be

739
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:13,800
honest about it, you know, it at least make a

740
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,920
little more sense, you know, because the kind of current

741
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,320
situation just turning everyone insane. Yeah, and I get it, right,

742
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,880
Like I've read the Epstein files. I've come to the

743
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,880
conclusion that effectively everything is just the work of you know,

744
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,280
the lizard people, the rothschilds that. Yeah, I don't know

745
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,480
whoever else you want. It's like, I get it. But

746
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:35,559
at the same time, I'd appreciate a little bit of honesty,

747
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:36,239
I guess.

748
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And you know, uh, the other concern, I guess,

749
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:54,400
like there's there's a lot of freetards who, uh you

750
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,079
hear the criticism of like third worldism and stuff like

751
00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:02,760
that come up, and it sometimes it's very valid. I

752
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,800
think it's very annoying to go on the timeline and

753
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:13,519
see you know, like a first generation black sick and teenager,

754
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,639
you know, saying that like I don't know, like you're

755
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:25,920
a goy slave something like that, because you know, I

756
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,079
don't know, you ate like a hamburger or something. You know,

757
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:33,519
Like there's there is that like in the in the

758
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:37,440
longer term, we're gonna have to figure something out here

759
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,960
with this where it's like, yeah, let's let's kind of

760
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,360
I don't know, get a little bit serious here, uh

761
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,559
and not not fully go off the deep end into

762
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:57,599
being like fully detached from reality, because that's that's the

763
00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:01,440
difficult thing. It seems like, uh, for a lot of

764
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:06,119
much of like the internet space and our our part

765
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:12,039
of the Internet has you know, I think the the

766
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:19,360
you know, the best thinkers you know, and I certainly

767
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:24,360
don't count myself in there. I'm stupid, but they're like

768
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,800
like the people in our sphere that are have influence

769
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,119
usually have things to say that are at least thoughtful.

770
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:34,800
So I'm not really trying to throw shade, you know,

771
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:38,880
is it any one in particular? I'm more talking about, like,

772
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,239
you know, the TikTok slop that you see on the timeline,

773
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:47,199
Like there there is a whole world of like elder

774
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,360
millennials there are women with purple hair who are making

775
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,559
videos about uh, you know, Jim Carrey is a shape

776
00:50:54,559 --> 00:51:04,119
shifter and Israel controls the fl at Earth, and you know, uh,

777
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,519
Donald Trump is has this, you know as barbecuing babies

778
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:12,960
and stuff like that, where there there are a lot

779
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,119
of people who are just kind of its kind of

780
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:18,119
checked out, where it's just like, well, I don't know,

781
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,320
I'm just not really going to engage with reality anymore.

782
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,239
I'm just going to engage with whatever, whatever produces clicks

783
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:31,800
and attention and you know, things like that. Uh. And

784
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,000
so that's that's a weird thing to exist, Like, that's

785
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,519
a weird social layer to exist in a war because

786
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:41,400
if if you think about think of the think about

787
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:46,599
this particular conflict thus far in a historical context, we've

788
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:51,159
uh so we're recording this on a Monday evening and

789
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:56,639
this started what Friday morning, all right, so something like that.

790
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,119
So we're like four days into it basically, and in

791
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:08,639
those four days, according to what the publicly available information

792
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,320
is at the time of this recording, the leader of

793
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,679
Iran has been killed, most of the Iranian military leadership

794
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:24,280
has been killed. The you know, Kamane's successor was killed.

795
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:28,239
The previous president was killed. I think his successor's successor

796
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:33,159
was killed. Their military has engaged now, I guess, and

797
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,079
what has been coined the Mosaic defense, which is where

798
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,440
they're just letting mid level commanders just kind of choose

799
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,480
their own adventure as far as what they're going to do.

800
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:48,280
So there's no central command structure guiding the Iranian military

801
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:54,599
that is known publicly right now. The Iranian navy, at

802
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:58,239
least as far as what was present in the Straits

803
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,360
of Oremus, has been destroyed. So that's eleven surface ships

804
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:09,320
that have been sung. You know, a very large portion

805
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:16,800
of their ability to wage war has been effectively neutralized. Uh.

806
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,000
You know this this is very one sided right now.

807
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,159
And as the United States, like, time is our enemy

808
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,719
in conflict, right like that's that is the relationship that

809
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,400
we have with with success is that the longer it takes,

810
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,199
the less successful it will be. So Time is obviously

811
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:41,880
our enemy. But four days into it, you know, this

812
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:47,639
war is pretty unpopular because of this social layer of

813
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:52,039
social media, much of which is operated by people who

814
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:56,400
are stupid and who are not engaging with reality whatsoever,

815
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,480
but do have the ability to shape social consensus and

816
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:08,880
political outcomes at the ballot box. Uh. So you know, obviously,

817
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,320
like you, you are not a democracy enjoyer. Neither am

818
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,679
I I think this This is just showing that you know,

819
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:22,519
there there are some serious flaws with this system. Uh. However,

820
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:26,239
you know, by all historical accounts, this is this is

821
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,760
an overwhelming tactical military victory. Like there's no question of

822
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,559
who who has been winning this engagement right now? The

823
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:38,320
US military at this time. Uh, there are six known

824
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:44,760
American personnel killed in action and three F fifteens that

825
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,760
were shot down over Kuwait where the crew survived. So

826
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,960
we've lost you know, three you know, big ticket items

827
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,519
as far as hardware and you know, six personnel, which

828
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,360
this is a tragedy, but by the cold metric of

829
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,719
just you know, tactical success, like Iran is on the

830
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:12,280
very very very shit end of this stick, and at

831
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,679
any other time in history like this probably would have

832
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:19,039
been been a winning thing to do. Like if if

833
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:23,360
you you know, take it back two thousand years, if

834
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,039
the king was like, oh yeah, we waged a war,

835
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:27,960
we knocked all their shit out in four days, we

836
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,639
lost six guys, we're coming home. You know, that would

837
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:38,039
have been very popular domestically in you know, like Roman

838
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:43,400
society or Spartan society or something like that, But in

839
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,440
twenty twenty six, it's very you know, not popular. And

840
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:51,800
not only that, but people who are otherwise intelligent are

841
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,960
actively panicking about how it's all over where it's it's

842
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:56,519
you know, there are people who are like, oh, this

843
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:59,840
is this is the end, and I I love these

844
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:03,679
counts where there's people's this that that's it for America.

845
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:08,880
You know, the the meme posts about fill up your tanks,

846
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,360
like the fucking it's the end of America. The dollars

847
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:15,599
it's going to collapse tomorrow and no one's gonna be

848
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:18,079
able to get fuel and there's going to be massive

849
00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:22,000
civil unrest and that's the end of the administration. And

850
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,320
none of that, you know, is happening right now, Like

851
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:30,159
that's not even close to happening. Like and you see

852
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:32,679
this kind of stuff and it's like, dude, there are

853
00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:36,639
some real problems, it seems like in in the fundamental

854
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:44,960
incentives that that precipitated this military action. However, you know,

855
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:51,199
we don't source uh, you know, like like much of

856
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:55,280
our fucking oil from the hostile Iranian regime. You know,

857
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,280
I don't like this is not a realistic assessment of

858
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,000
what's going to happen. And uh, Further, Iran poses no

859
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:07,559
existential threat to the United States at all. They don't

860
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:10,760
have an expeditionary military, like they have no ability to

861
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,519
project force on our country, like they cannot do anything

862
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,079
like this. This is, you know, a country that's largely

863
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:23,199
walled in by God to stop them from fucking spreading.

864
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,679
So you know, it's like, let's like there are some

865
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,880
very valid criticism of this, but you know, there's no

866
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,000
reason to be like shitting your pants, pissing your pants

867
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:39,440
and crying about how it's the it's all over, because

868
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,440
there's no indicationion of this like that that you know,

869
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,679
at least not as as of this time. You know,

870
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,159
this would this would really be the part that that

871
00:57:48,239 --> 00:57:54,800
schedule podcast release button could fuck up. But you know,

872
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:59,559
there's really not all that much that could happen in

873
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:04,480
terms of like direct military outcomes. Now we've been very

874
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:08,559
lucky so far, like like the the there's not been

875
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:12,599
an element of like quagmire at this time. Knock on wood,

876
00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:17,639
anything can happen. What's going on is a very complex

877
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:23,320
operation involving several countries over hostile skies, Like it is

878
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,480
entirely possible that some shit really goes off the rails,

879
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:32,280
and you know, I hope that doesn't happen because I

880
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,400
want my country to win. That's the other thing that

881
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,840
not everyone seems to be able to mentally handle is

882
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,119
that it's like, yeah, man, you can disagree with this

883
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,800
going on and like still want it to work out.

884
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,880
You know, there's a there's a term for that. It's

885
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:58,039
it's called loyalty. Like that that's what that means. You know,

886
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,719
like you should be rooting for your own and side.

887
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,320
You know, it's like if you you know, like if

888
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,079
your wife is going to do something fucking dumb and

889
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:10,000
you're like, hey, look I don't think you should do that.

890
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:12,159
I think it's a bad idea, and she's like, well,

891
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:14,559
look it's really important to me, you know, let me

892
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:17,880
ride this out. Well, you know, sometimes you got to

893
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:23,000
back that up. And you know, being loyal to something,

894
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,800
it can only apply under duress and when you're not

895
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,119
entirely comfortable with the situation, you know what I mean, Like,

896
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:38,559
it's not possible to show loyalty under convenient circumstances. So

897
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,360
there's a bunch of fucking retards on Twitter, who's like,

898
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,280
you know, what do you get Jackson Hinkle, who I

899
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:50,440
long live Iran, we support Iran. And there's a bunch

900
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:56,840
of recent immigrants who are just you know, posting NonStop

901
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,519
about well, if we lose, you know, that's fun. We've

902
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:03,280
we've got to come in. I hope whatever all these

903
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,519
soldiers or whatever retards and I hope they die. That

904
01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:12,519
would be better than fucking doing something to help Israel,

905
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:18,760
you know, YadA, YadA. There's the whole thing. And that's

906
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,119
also you know, indicative of a problem. It's like, yeah, man,

907
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,000
it's like that is also a perspective that is divorced

908
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,480
from from reality, Like you should not want your country

909
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,840
to fail, like just point blank like that that's fucking stupid,

910
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,199
Like you shouldn't want people from your country to die,

911
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:38,880
Like why do you think that would be good? You

912
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,440
know what I mean? Like, so, so what you're telling

913
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,880
me is that it would be bad, uh and good

914
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:49,920
simultaneously to die for Israel. Like you know, Uh, it's

915
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,760
not a coherent position that a lot of these accounts

916
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,639
have have managed to like convince themselves to adopt, and

917
01:00:57,639 --> 01:00:59,599
that that's an annoying aspect of this as well.

918
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:06,119
Speaker 1: No, certainly, And it's one of those things. Well where

919
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:16,519
and this is sort of the danger of anything as

920
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:22,039
it becomes popular, right, is your sort of become you're

921
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:27,880
always at the mercy of that bottom quintile. And would

922
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,079
we talk about you know, an awareness of what meer

923
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:33,559
Scheimer would have called, like the Israel lobby or anything.

924
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:37,960
When that was a minority position, it was easier to

925
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:43,119
have an intelligent conversation. But as you know, due to

926
01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:46,880
is it has become more and more plain, you know,

927
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,280
it has become more and more a part of you know,

928
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,239
everyday conversation on both the left and the right. It

929
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:58,559
is sort of you've become a stupider conversation and there's

930
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:02,760
no way around that, right that, there's no way around

931
01:02:03,039 --> 01:02:05,800
you know that that kind of negative side of you know, popularization.

932
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:10,239
But it still is incredibly irritating because to your point,

933
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,880
you know, the idea that you should you know, root

934
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,719
against your own nation or you know, hope for people

935
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,760
like you to die because you disagree with executive policy.

936
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,119
It's like, well, okay, no, like I don't agree with that,

937
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,119
and does that mean that I, you know, like our

938
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,840
government's allegiances. Far from it. But at a certain point

939
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,800
it seems as if many people are allowing themselves to

940
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,199
be driven crazy by this, and I understand it, like

941
01:02:39,239 --> 01:02:42,480
it's crazy making. But uh, I don't know. I think

942
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it's a step too far. But Lee, it's it's getting late, man.

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This has been honestly a much more educational conversation than

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I think I was expecting. But dude, where could people

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find you?

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Speaker 2: Mostly on Twitter? Right now? It's that short mag sml E. Yeah,

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it's basically for now. I haven't laid it on a

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name for a substack. I'm still trying to figure something out,

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you know. But you just follow me on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: As far as my stuff Ja Burdan Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

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throw me a few bucks a month the episodes early

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and ad free, Patreon, substack, and gum Road. I think

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it's a ton of fun, man, I appreciate it. I'll

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be in touch, dude,