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Speaker 1: I'm with the one in Scottsdale, Arizona. There's a renovation
Speaker 1: going on in here, so if you come here in
Speaker 1: the near future, you'll be like, Wow, what do they
Speaker 1: do to that place? I hope, But it's a nice
Speaker 1: time you're here. It's the full Scott's Dazzle going on
Speaker 1: here in the valley. A lot of people come to us,
Speaker 1: or they listen to the show, or they come to
Speaker 1: our live shows, and they talk about, well, they haven't
Speaker 1: had a whole lot of success dating, or their first
Speaker 1: dates aren't turning into second dates, or they're not getting
Speaker 1: any hits on their online dating profile, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: At it infinite them. And a lot of that is
Speaker 1: just timing, and a lot of that is is bad luck,
Speaker 1: and a lot of that is you haven't been at
Speaker 1: it long enough, but way too much of it is
Speaker 1: you don't look your best. People. You don't look that good.
Speaker 1: I don't look that good. There's another level that you
Speaker 1: could take your game to that you probably haven't thought
Speaker 1: about it. So I brought in a pro here today.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna help me? And you guys try and look
Speaker 1: and feel our best because how you look and how
Speaker 1: you feel and your confidence level means everything. Jacqueline Murray,
Speaker 1: how are you? She's a estetis I want to get
Speaker 1: your qualifications right?
Speaker 2: Esthetician not an esthetician?
Speaker 1: Not an esthetician? Is that below? You take that?
Speaker 2: No? Or I can't take that.
Speaker 1: You're a SPA owner.
Speaker 2: Technically, yes, I'm a nurse injector, so I say, like
Speaker 2: an aesthetic nurse injector, but I'm not an esthetician. They
Speaker 2: go to like a little school and like go through
Speaker 2: all those things. I did not do that.
Speaker 1: Can you can be botox right now? Yes?
Speaker 2: I don't have it with me. But if I did?
Speaker 1: Do you have botox in your car?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Is botox a thing? Still? Is that still? Number one?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 1: So Filer's, well, we're gonna get in all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody comes to you generally what is the most popular
Speaker 1: thing you're looking to do just to shot between the
Speaker 1: eyes and it perks it all up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think it's kind of funny we do
Speaker 2: say neurotoxin is kind of how we're trying to say
Speaker 2: it because botox is brand name, So neurotoxin we kind
Speaker 2: of say is like a gateway drug, like a gateway medication.
Speaker 1: People start with that. Yeah, like let's start with a
Speaker 1: little a little botox, and.
Speaker 2: Then you get addicted and then you just want to
Speaker 2: do other things, like you don't have to go over
Speaker 2: the top, especially like the way I practice. I try
Speaker 2: to help people look very natural, but you know, just
Speaker 2: make those subtle tweaks to help them look more well
Speaker 2: rested or to help their skin. It's not just neurotoxin
Speaker 2: and filler. There's there's a huge world around aesthetics that
Speaker 2: can just help your overall skin and replenishables volume.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that because there's obviously sleep and
Speaker 1: hydration goes a long way, and we are in a
Speaker 1: place that is really tough. It's rough on the skin here, right,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people look really good and young here.
Speaker 1: Do we have you to thing for that?
Speaker 2: You and your colleagues, we probably have the most. I
Speaker 2: would not be surprised if we have the most medspas
Speaker 2: per capita in the US, or nurse injectors, just because
Speaker 2: the laws around owning a business in a medspot in
Speaker 2: Arizona different than a lot of other states.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned it. It's kind of a gateway dreg.
Speaker 1: So somebody comes in there and they do like, let's
Speaker 1: see what we can do to make you. People want
Speaker 1: to look younger, they want to look more refreshed, they
Speaker 1: want to they want to look better. Where do you start?
Speaker 1: Where do you start? How do you analyze somebody? Because
Speaker 1: you're not like taking blood here, you're basically you're using
Speaker 1: your eyeballs. Yeah, and you can't be offensive, or maybe
Speaker 1: you can. You can't just be like god that ship. Really.
Speaker 2: I try to ask, like, do you mind if I
Speaker 2: point out some other things we could work on, because
Speaker 2: some people just want to address the lines on their forehead.
Speaker 2: That's it. They do not want you to point out
Speaker 2: everything else, right, So I try to ask, but I
Speaker 2: would say, yeah, biggest thing is I have them tell
Speaker 2: me why they're in my chair, Like what bothers you?
Speaker 2: When you look in the mirror? What is the number
Speaker 2: one thing that you are displeased with? Or when you
Speaker 2: look at a photo of you, you know, like like
Speaker 2: anytime we look at a picture of ourselves, we always
Speaker 2: look at that one thing we hate about ourselves. So
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, what's that thing, and then let's
Speaker 2: start there, because if I don't help improve that, but
Speaker 2: I improve other things, you're still not going to be happy.
Speaker 2: You're still going to see that thing you hate. Aesthetics
Speaker 2: is not plastic surgery. So I am very honest. Sometimes
Speaker 2: if what you want is plastic surgery, I will tell
Speaker 2: you that. But first, a lot of people it's you know,
Speaker 2: these static lines in their forehead or the sundown image
Speaker 2: on their face, or the sagging in their face, their jowl, sagging.
Speaker 1: The neck, which I need. Yeah, nothing really fixes that.
Speaker 2: Butt surgery, yeah, I would suggest plastics.
Speaker 1: That's the dirty little secret. You can inject shit all
Speaker 1: you want, and it's you still look like a turkey. Yep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but people look at you, and so you know, botox
Speaker 1: does work. A lot of people wait too long to
Speaker 1: get it done and then they panic and uh, and
Speaker 1: they just overshoot themselves. But there's a way to do it.
Speaker 1: It looks natural. I had a a plastic surge because
Speaker 1: he's a plastic surgeon friend of mine, and I asked
Speaker 1: him about like all the overinflated lips, Yeah, especially in
Speaker 1: LA And I go, why do people do that? It
Speaker 1: never looks good? He goes, you only notice the bad ones.
Speaker 1: He's like, there's so many that are awesome, and you
Speaker 1: think they're perfectly natural. And that's the goal, right to
Speaker 1: make it look like somebody looks great without making it
Speaker 1: look like somebody got something done. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We always say a good injectable is undetectable, So I
Speaker 2: do get in that. I wouldn't call it an argument,
Speaker 2: but I try to just educate people, like when it
Speaker 2: is done right. I mean, we're spending thousands and thousands
Speaker 2: of dollars on training and being educated, and the aesthetic
Speaker 2: industry has come such a long way just in the
Speaker 2: past fifteen ten years on the type of fillers we have.
Speaker 2: So it's not like we're using the same filler all
Speaker 2: over your face. Well, now we have fillers that we
Speaker 2: would put around your smile lines, your lips.
Speaker 1: Is that wrestling that's a.
Speaker 2: Whole line like Loherama.
Speaker 1: So yeah, rest I'm uneducated exactly. But I'm a guy,
Speaker 1: so that brings that up. Are guys doing this now,
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 2: Say, And I'm sure they've been doing it for a
Speaker 2: very long time. I do think so many people have
Speaker 2: been doing aesthetics since Botox came out. But we didn't
Speaker 2: have Instagram the way we do, We didn't have Facebook.
Speaker 2: Nobody was talking about it.
Speaker 1: And botox has become more mainstream. Botox once it hits Ohio,
Speaker 1: it's everywhere. But for a while, you know, even yoga
Speaker 1: was like a Los Angeles, New York thing, yes was.
Speaker 1: You know, things get into the country now like it's
Speaker 1: very common to do. But botox now is the same
Speaker 1: as coloring your hair. For a lot of women, it's
Speaker 1: not something they hide. It's not that they're shamed of.
Speaker 1: And it's like I want to look good. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of women you hear them sort of brag
Speaker 1: about like, oh look, i've never had botox. Who cares? Like,
Speaker 1: who cares? As long as you look good? Look good?
Speaker 1: And a lot of I won't even just say women
Speaker 1: people are afraid that once they give in and they
Speaker 1: have to go see you, it's like a line they
Speaker 1: don't want to cross. No, pun intended, but really it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be any different I think from the people I
Speaker 1: know who do this than going to your hair salon.
Speaker 1: It's really just trying to touch the It's getting rid
Speaker 1: of your gray hair. Right. A wrinkle is essentially aging,
Speaker 1: which is essentially gray hair, and you have no problem
Speaker 1: touching that up. So I don't know why you would
Speaker 1: be reluctant to mess with the face.
Speaker 2: No, and that's actually one again, not argument, but something
Speaker 2: I kind of touch on a lot is like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're going to bash people for doing botox or filler
Speaker 2: to change their appearance, which we're not changing your appearance
Speaker 2: or just botox does not change your appearance. It just
Speaker 2: makes it to where you can't animate. But for the
Speaker 2: most part, right now I don't have any. But it's
Speaker 2: not like my face would look any different. You would
Speaker 2: maybe just think I'm not moving my eyebrows.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people expressive.
Speaker 2: There's so many people who are not expressive, So you
Speaker 2: might sit there or that.
Speaker 1: Someone else's at jokes or if someone else.
Speaker 2: Might judge them and think they have botox, right, because
Speaker 2: now that's in everyone's head, But like, no, maybe that
Speaker 2: person just doesn't raise her.
Speaker 1: She just didn't like me.
Speaker 2: I just had a client in her forties. She had
Speaker 2: no static lines and when I would ask her to
Speaker 2: raise she maybe had one line. She had no crows. Right,
Speaker 2: But I guarantee you sheets people every day who think
Speaker 2: she's getting botox. But that's just her genetics, that's her skin,
Speaker 2: that's her tissue. So but yeah, that's one thing I
Speaker 2: say is like people will say you're changing your appearance
Speaker 2: with botox or fillers, right, but but we're not bashing
Speaker 2: people for going and dyeing their hair bleach blond. That's
Speaker 2: changing your appearance. Nutting your nails done, changing your appearance.
Speaker 1: And there's there's less than less to do to sort
Speaker 1: of I guess the the uptick in Bravo viewership, there's
Speaker 1: a lot less stigma around it. There's a lot less
Speaker 1: I mean, people just do it. The number one thing
Speaker 1: that makes the biggest difference, though, for some reason is
Speaker 1: like I said before, it's the botox between the eyes.
Speaker 1: It's the forehead, and it's not around the mouth, around
Speaker 1: the eyes, the places where we think or that is
Speaker 1: sort of a trigger that affects the whole face. Why
Speaker 1: is that the area that tends to work versus you.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't pay it when when somebody looks older.
Speaker 1: We rarely focus on the forehead, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: that is the thing that changes the face the most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so typically we look full face right because it's
Speaker 2: all working together. But I will say that's the most
Speaker 2: commonplace people will start. That's the most commonplace that people
Speaker 2: focus on. It these really deep eleven lines or they're
Speaker 2: really deep lines on their forehead. And then some people
Speaker 2: are like, I'm fine with my crows. I'm fine with
Speaker 2: down here. You know who's fine with your crows site?
Speaker 2: I don't know some people. I actually haven't done mine
Speaker 2: in a while. I'm thirty one, though, so like they're
Speaker 2: not static. I'll probably do them once a year, but
Speaker 2: I don't need to have them gone.
Speaker 1: Can you do yourself time?
Speaker 2: I have before, but I'm going to have some A
Speaker 2: friend Jack.
Speaker 1: So you said you're thirty one, When did you first
Speaker 1: start doing it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So fun So first time I ever got botox, I
Speaker 2: want to say I was twenty six. I was in Quarterline,
Speaker 2: Idaho on a mountain biking trip with my best friend
Speaker 2: and it was her fortieth birthday and she was like,
Speaker 2: for my fortieth birthday, We're going to the medspot and
Speaker 2: I'll pay for your boatoks and we're gonna get botoks done.
Speaker 2: I was like cool, Like oh, you were like cool,
Speaker 2: You're not like I know I'm pre botok.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but at twenty six, are you like, what
Speaker 1: do I need botox?
Speaker 2: For sure? No? I didn't think that at all. I said,
Speaker 2: look at this forehead. It moves a lot I would
Speaker 2: love and it's free. Yes, Like, let's do it. It's temporary.
Speaker 2: If I hate it, it wears off in three months,
Speaker 2: no one would even know I had it done. Like
Speaker 2: after the three months, I'd be moving again. Who cares?
Speaker 1: Right, it's not permitted it last three it lasts a
Speaker 1: few months.
Speaker 2: Yep. I went for it and I was addicted. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And the cost of the botox it's measured in.
Speaker 2: Ccs units units.
Speaker 1: And do you tell the person up front, like you're
Speaker 1: gonna need a lot or how do you know how
Speaker 1: much it's going to take? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Totally. Every everybody is different, right, So with a neurotoxin,
Speaker 2: especially Allergan who owns Botox, They've done a lot of
Speaker 2: FDA research, So the FDA approved dosing for your glabella
Speaker 2: forehead and your crows is sixty four units. Now they
Speaker 2: just got another cosmetic FDA approval actually for your platisma bands,
Speaker 2: so now they actually have FDA approval up to one
Speaker 2: hundred units.
Speaker 1: For those responds.
Speaker 2: Your platisma is this giant muscle right here that attaches
Speaker 2: down here and then right here on your face and
Speaker 2: that pulls your face down. Mm hmm. And so when
Speaker 2: you go like this, these bands, yeah, those are platisma bands.
Speaker 2: Oh so yeah, you can get the platisma right here
Speaker 2: and then your bands, and then it kind of relaxes, right,
Speaker 2: because most of our muscles are pulling down on our face.
Speaker 2: And that's why our face sinks down is because those
Speaker 2: muscles are constantly pulling.
Speaker 1: Gravity is not our friend. I used to have a
Speaker 1: girlfriend for a long long time who she wouldn't do botox,
Speaker 1: but she would just drown herself in mountain dew and
Speaker 1: Twinkies and Big Max And I'm like, why do you
Speaker 1: eat that crap? And she goes cause it's filled with preservatives,
Speaker 1: and she goes, I want to be almost mummified from
Speaker 1: the preservatives. And she looked fantastic. She might have been.
Speaker 1: She might have been right. I'm not sure how good
Speaker 1: it was for her overall health, but she's like, the
Speaker 1: preservatives in the food will preserve my body. So I
Speaker 1: don't know how that. I don't know how she looks now,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, oh, it seems to work. Okay, I
Speaker 1: gotta take a quick break because I think we can
Speaker 1: to pay for botox around here. I'm with Jacqueline Murray.
Speaker 1: We're talking about all things that you guys are going
Speaker 1: to do better to look better. We will be back
Speaker 1: right after this, and we are back how often? How
Speaker 1: let me ask this, So somebody's got a wedding coming
Speaker 1: up in a week, botox will how long does it
Speaker 1: take to kick in?
Speaker 2: Two weeks?
Speaker 1: Two weeks? Okay, two weeks and then you're good for
Speaker 1: so three months.
Speaker 2: Dosage equals duration, So ideally, if we're doing that FDA
Speaker 2: approved dosing. Again, everybody is different, but when we dose
Speaker 2: you appropriately, sometimes it'll take us a while to get
Speaker 2: to know you specifically, because all of our anatomy is different.
Speaker 2: Males typically need more units than females. Super Active people
Speaker 2: typically need more. If you're in the sauna.
Speaker 1: Long because you sweat it out.
Speaker 2: You have a high metabolism. So when we have your dosage, great, yeah,
Speaker 2: up to three months. Ideally you're not back at baseline
Speaker 2: at three months, but you will have movement probably at
Speaker 2: three months. Some people will hold on to it longer.
Speaker 2: Some people will burn it and they're doing it every
Speaker 2: three months, but they're still not back at their baseline movement.
Speaker 2: So if you were to compare their before photos, they're
Speaker 2: moving more in that first before that first treatment, first
Speaker 2: they're other ones.
Speaker 1: Does the body get used to it though? And then
Speaker 1: you have to do more? Is it like any other drugs?
Speaker 2: Some people are saying you can build a resistance. Probably
Speaker 2: over time, you can kind of build resistance to most
Speaker 2: medications we have. But I mean I do see more
Speaker 2: often though that we people are being undertreated. So they're saying, oh,
Speaker 2: it doesn't work, it wore off. It's six weeks for me.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, how much are you getting? And
Speaker 2: like this just happened. I asked the gal how much
Speaker 2: are you getting? And she said twenty five units for
Speaker 2: here and here, and I'm like that's crazy, Like FDA
Speaker 2: approved dose is four units for hearing here, So that's
Speaker 2: why your talks is wearing off. It's because you're not
Speaker 2: getting enough and you're doing hot plates every single day
Speaker 2: and you're thirty, right, so like you were under dosed.
Speaker 2: So your nurse injector did you a disservice, probably to
Speaker 2: stay in your budget. However, if you can't afford it, well,
Speaker 2: let's save up till you can't afford the dose. That
Speaker 2: way you actually feel like you're getting what you're paying
Speaker 2: for instead of trying to stay in your dose. It's
Speaker 2: just gonna like within your budget, it's gonna wear off
Speaker 2: so much faster.
Speaker 1: And the older you get, like anything else, the skin
Speaker 1: becomes less palable, whatever the word is.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's really that, and that's when it pays
Speaker 2: to have an educated injector, because you know, you can't
Speaker 2: treat a thirty year old the same way you're treating
Speaker 2: someone in their fifties and sixties. I have a lot
Speaker 2: of elasticity and collagen still in my skin that holds
Speaker 2: me taut. As you lose that elastin, if we completely
Speaker 2: freeze your muscles, you don't have anything to hold you
Speaker 2: taught anymore because your skin sagging. So what we do
Speaker 2: is a lot of time is back off a little bit,
Speaker 2: change our placement and sometimes you'll be left with a
Speaker 2: little bit of movement, but you'll still have that muscle
Speaker 2: to hold you taught. So a good injector is not
Speaker 2: going to inject someone with loose, looser skin more like
Speaker 2: lost velacity the same way they treat a twenty year
Speaker 2: old or a thirty year old.
Speaker 1: Do people come in with a picture and they're like,
Speaker 1: I want to have that Nicole Kidman frozen face?
Speaker 2: No, not really. I've had one person like send me
Speaker 2: a photo like of them like fifteen years ago, and
Speaker 2: they're like, I want to look like this with botox.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm not a magician.
Speaker 2: I can't do that with boat talks.
Speaker 1: I can't do that with botox. Well now, so somebody
Speaker 1: I brought up the dating thing. So somebody's you know, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 1: they meet somebody either online or whatever, and that person
Speaker 1: wants to go out with them Saturday. There's nothing. What
Speaker 1: can they do in two three day I mean a
Speaker 1: facial What.
Speaker 2: Can they do in two facials?
Speaker 1: Does a facial leave you red for several days or no?
Speaker 2: There's different ones. Hydro facials. I just got two laser
Speaker 2: treatments before I came here, like literally.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, we appreciate you doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I got an IPLA treatment in a Hollywood
Speaker 2: facial treatment and that's to help stimulate collagen treat sun damage.
Speaker 2: So I really don't have that much, but it's because
Speaker 2: I wear sunscreen. But I have a couple spots here
Speaker 2: that we're trying to lift. And then I've had cystic
Speaker 2: acne for a long time, so I'm really trying to
Speaker 2: like finish clearing this up. I have some redness, some
Speaker 2: scarring that we're after, but that doesn't really have crazy downtime.
Speaker 2: Like I could go on a date, Well, I am
Speaker 2: going to dinner tonight and my skin looks.
Speaker 1: Fine, and you got something done today. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hydro facials, you can get those done within two to
Speaker 2: three days of like your wedding or a really important event.
Speaker 2: Gives you a nice shine to your skin. As far
Speaker 2: as injectables go, I actually had a goal book and
Speaker 2: appointment and in her note she booked and said I'm
Speaker 2: getting married two weeks from this date and I've never
Speaker 2: had botox before. And I was like called her and
Speaker 2: I was like, you need to come in before. Sorry
Speaker 2: this bug, I said, you need to come in before that.
Speaker 2: Two weeks.
Speaker 1: You need to practice, you need to see how the
Speaker 1: body takes it.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, let me assess you first. Let me see
Speaker 2: how anxious of a human you are. Yeah, let me
Speaker 2: see if you even need it. Well, turned out she
Speaker 2: didn't need it. She actually had no static lines. What
Speaker 2: she wanted was a little bit of volume replacement in
Speaker 2: her cheeks because she had lost some fat in her cheeks.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was like, actually, you don't want neuro
Speaker 2: talks and you want filler. But one thing that can
Speaker 2: be risky is let's say your talks kicks in slightly
Speaker 2: uneven or maybe you need touch ups at that two
Speaker 2: weeks because you've never had it before. I don't know
Speaker 2: you two weeks. It's your wedding day, right, so if
Speaker 2: you have an eyebrow that slightly moves more, or maybe
Speaker 2: you just hate it, right, right, it's your wedding day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you've already hired everyone. Like it can be risky, So
Speaker 2: especially around your wedding, you should start working with your aesthetic,
Speaker 2: your estheticians, your nurses. I would say a year before.
Speaker 1: Your wedding to town what does collagen do? Because I
Speaker 1: know you could take it as a pill like you
Speaker 1: take like vegetarians have trouble getting into collagen because it
Speaker 1: comes from bovine, Right, Yeah, Can I just rub collagen
Speaker 1: on my face or that's not a thing.
Speaker 2: Collagen is a very large molecule. So there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people who will argue whether it's worth your time
Speaker 2: to take oral collagen. What I do is treatments like
Speaker 2: micro needling that three treatments in a year produces three
Speaker 2: to four hundred percent more collagen. Once we turn mid
Speaker 2: twenties thirties, we lose one percent of collagen a year.
Speaker 2: That's just that baseline. UV rays break your collagen down
Speaker 2: as well. Smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, your diet all those things.
Speaker 2: Your hormones, all those things affect that as well, your genetics,
Speaker 2: all those things. So we have certain treatments that can
Speaker 2: help stimulate your collagen. We can also kind of call
Speaker 2: it biohacking in a way, so we're tricking your body
Speaker 2: into producing more collagen and elastin. So Sculpture is one
Speaker 2: of those. Sculpture as a biostimulator created for HIV AIDS
Speaker 2: patients who had all that fat loss in their face,
Speaker 2: so they were injecting that to try and give them
Speaker 2: their volume back, and they actually saw that it had
Speaker 2: a very esthetic outcome and people were getting more volume
Speaker 2: and then their skin was looking a lot better. So
Speaker 2: it actually made its way into the esthetic industry because
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: Does botox do wrinkles show up more on fair skinned
Speaker 1: people or dark skinned people?
Speaker 2: Question?
Speaker 1: I have Mediterranean olive skin, is am I more likely
Speaker 1: to wrinkle? Because it just doesn't make it? Because here,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot of people come here
Speaker 1: from other places in the world here in Arizona, but
Speaker 1: it is three hundred and fifty days of sunshine here
Speaker 1: and strong sunshine, and so you obviously have to wear
Speaker 1: sunscreen to that, but a lot of people didn't. You're
Speaker 1: not quite old enough to remember, like close tanning beds.
Speaker 1: It's all spray tan now, but back in the day,
Speaker 1: people used to just fry the shit out of themselves.
Speaker 1: And that damage keeps you in business. Right, Yes, you
Speaker 1: can tell right away how much. It's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they spend a lot of time in the sun when
Speaker 1: they were nineteen right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it affects the quality of your skin too,
Speaker 2: can almost make it more leathery and saggy. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we have things to help fix that. And good skincare.
Speaker 2: I do think my generation got real lucky there too.
Speaker 2: You know, every day there's someone on their Instagram or
Speaker 2: TikTok talking about wearing sunscreen and applying it several times
Speaker 2: throughout the day, No just once, several times. We have
Speaker 2: makeup now with SPF in it, and then you know,
Speaker 2: using retinols active ingredients like every day or every other
Speaker 2: day that turn our skin cells over. I mean that's
Speaker 2: talked about all the time, depending on what algorithm you're on.
Speaker 2: But you know, now there's like twenty year olds doing
Speaker 2: really good skincare.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I mean there's an you know, what is
Speaker 1: the ingredient and a moisturizer that somebody should want look
Speaker 1: for because moistrezes are all ninety percent water anyway. But
Speaker 1: is there something that if you're looking through the whole,
Speaker 1: I don't know, counter you're like many ingredients, so many
Speaker 1: different things, right, Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I typically use skincare that you can't buy in the store,
Speaker 2: that you have to buy through someone who has made
Speaker 2: an account with these skincare companies. So like skin Better
Speaker 2: Science is one of them. I really like Epicutus a
Speaker 2: lot Zo is one, and that kind of because in
Speaker 2: a way, it's kind of like a medication, Right, You're
Speaker 2: not going to walk into a doctor and be like,
Speaker 2: I want this specific antibiotic. So if you don't know
Speaker 2: anything about skin, like, why should you walk in off
Speaker 2: the shelf and grab something? Because half the time it
Speaker 2: might not be what you need, But also it might
Speaker 2: not be what you actually think it is. And then
Speaker 2: a lot of certain things we like to use in
Speaker 2: skincare are not stable, so they need to be packaged
Speaker 2: a certain way or manufactured a certain way.
Speaker 1: And but what are those things? What is the Is
Speaker 1: there an ingredient that people want in a skincare it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that contains that, or it's just random. It depends on
Speaker 1: whatever works for you. Because you do have to experiment,
Speaker 1: right sporta.
Speaker 2: You should make sure that you tolerate it or don't
Speaker 2: have any sort of like allergies or intolerances to things.
Speaker 2: But I can I can tell you don't know a
Speaker 2: whole lot about skincare because.
Speaker 1: I don't because because of my face, I know you
Speaker 1: buy a whole stuff. Trust me. The girlfriend has a
Speaker 1: cabinet's cream up.
Speaker 2: You know, we have good cleansers. There's oil based cleansers.
Speaker 2: There's hydrating cleansers. There's cleansers that have more active ingredients
Speaker 2: that help turn your skin cells over. I would say,
Speaker 2: you know, if you have a broken down skin barrier,
Speaker 2: we want to use more gentle stuff on your skin,
Speaker 2: more hydrating things. Hyaluronic acids gray epicutis patented an ingredient
Speaker 2: called hyavia that's really hydrating. I mean there's just so
Speaker 2: many So I do think it's wise, Like if you're
Speaker 2: genuinely in ut in getting quality skincare that works great
Speaker 2: for you and your concerns, it's worth booking a consult
Speaker 2: with like an esthetician and like finding a regimen that
Speaker 2: works for you and that's sustainable that like you can
Speaker 2: do every morning and every night.
Speaker 1: Almost everybody can turn the clock back ten years.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know, that's everybody's different again.
Speaker 1: But I mean people come in and they're like, here's
Speaker 1: what you know. Like I said with the picture, but
Speaker 1: somebody comes in at fifty, you probably can't make them
Speaker 1: look twenty five, but there's a good chance you can
Speaker 1: make them look a better version of they probably even
Speaker 1: were at forty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more refreshed. So I know we're really trying to
Speaker 2: like not use the word anti aging as much, or
Speaker 2: maybe we're trying to say aging gracefully.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A lot of companies are. They think it's a negative, right, aging, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because that's a huge thing. Like we're all aging and
Speaker 2: it is a beautiful thing. Right as we age.
Speaker 1: We come a thirty one year old like this is fun.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're all going to age. So to age
Speaker 2: more gracefully, yeah, and look more refreshed, look less tired.
Speaker 2: But a lot of that really does come from loss
Speaker 2: of collagen, loss of elasticity, and then losing the fat
Speaker 2: pads in your face. We have deep and superficial fat
Speaker 2: pads as does go away, and our bone also recedes.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It's like one way they describe it is a tablecloth
Speaker 2: over a table, and then picture your table getting smaller, right,
Speaker 2: so you're gonna have excess tablecloth. So it's kind of
Speaker 2: like that you're losing that fat and that bone that
Speaker 2: holds your skin up, so then it's all just gonna sag.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of what we use. Biostimulators in collagen
Speaker 2: stimulators like micro needling laser.
Speaker 1: Which is blood flow, right, I mean micro needling stimulates
Speaker 1: blood flow, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: One of the many things that stimulates you.
Speaker 1: Know, Ozree and Ali Larder, the actress, she's on Landman
Speaker 1: now and she's like, you know, she has to play
Speaker 1: a hot ex wife. And one of the things she
Speaker 1: does all the things you'd hear about, but one of
Speaker 1: the things she does is she sticks her face in
Speaker 1: a bucket of ice water for sixty seconds and that
Speaker 1: stimulates blood flow, right, is that what that will do?
Speaker 2: Beaso constricts ice paso constricts. Yeah, really helps with inflammation.
Speaker 2: Inflammation is the root cause of all things evil in
Speaker 2: this world.
Speaker 1: I say, and that and the biggest cause of inflamation
Speaker 1: besides stress, is diet. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean there are so many different things that cause inflammation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: diet is huge.
Speaker 1: And how do we get rid of inflammation overnight?
Speaker 2: You don't get rid of it overnight?
Speaker 1: Is it a full life?
Speaker 2: Sty Is that easy? We all do it?
Speaker 1: I know A lot of it is diets and a
Speaker 1: lot of it is stress. Sleep. Yeah, sleeping in the
Speaker 1: cold room helps.
Speaker 2: I have an eight sleep. So my mattress. I control
Speaker 2: the temperatures of my mattress. You have it cold when
Speaker 2: I go to bed, it drops when I'm in rem
Speaker 2: and then when it comes time to wake up, it'll
Speaker 2: slowly get warmer.
Speaker 1: What do you put the air conditioning on here in Arizona?
Speaker 2: It depends in the summer, but we kind of have
Speaker 2: an older house so we can't like blast they see. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we do like seventy eight in the summer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's too hot.
Speaker 2: See, And I know it's too hot, Like I grew
Speaker 2: up in Colorado, right, so like I know it sounds hot,
Speaker 2: but like when it's hot outside, yeah, that feels fine.
Speaker 1: And I agree, But you know, the Swedes, and I
Speaker 1: was reading about John Stamos, who's sixty four, and he
Speaker 1: looks good. He sleeps at like fifty eight.
Speaker 2: I'd love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what my bed's at, but I
Speaker 2: typically have it at negative four negative five, so i'd
Speaker 2: have to look up what that exact is. But I
Speaker 2: actually get cold, so I will have to turn it
Speaker 2: down sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your bed is we turn it up fully. You're
Speaker 1: fully capable as human beings of warming yourself. Put a
Speaker 1: sweater on if you need to.
Speaker 2: In the middle of the night, my bed will get
Speaker 2: cold and then it wakes me up. But no, I'm
Speaker 2: not I love being cold.
Speaker 1: The one mistake that most people make or think when
Speaker 1: it comes to this stuff, when it comes to either
Speaker 1: botox or skincare, what is the one thing that people
Speaker 1: are like, stop doing that? Or is there one thing
Speaker 1: that you see people doing or people talking about, like,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is not the answer. Is it masks?
Speaker 2: Really good masks out there. There's really good mass out there.
Speaker 2: I guess one thing people do a lot is they
Speaker 2: switch up their skincare way too fast. Some things you
Speaker 2: need to give time to see if it works and
Speaker 2: be patient and see if there's results. Some things work
Speaker 2: faster than others. But people who are constantly I'm gonna
Speaker 2: buy this, I'm gonna buy this, I'm gonna buy this
Speaker 2: like you're not giving your skin any time to adjust
Speaker 2: or to actually see if there's results. So people do
Speaker 2: just go buy random stuff, but and.
Speaker 1: Do that with your dates too. Stop switching it up.
Speaker 1: Give it a chance, give your body a chance to
Speaker 1: absorb who they are, what you can be. It's a
Speaker 1: confidence thing, all right. Clearly I don't know anything about this,
Speaker 1: and I do feel little more. Educate. Tell everybody where
Speaker 1: they can find you, or or one one thing you
Speaker 1: want them to know. On the positive side.
Speaker 2: My Instagram is at injector Underscore in Bloom. I guess
Speaker 2: I didn't talk about that. My business is called in
Speaker 2: Bloom Aesthetics, and then I'm also working at another mets
Speaker 2: BA called Solara Health and Beauty. But I chose in
Speaker 2: Bloom Aesthetics because I feel like we're always in Bloom,
Speaker 2: We're never perfect, like we should never settle, So we're yeah,
Speaker 2: constantly getting better and if you feel like you've made it,
Speaker 2: we'll find something else to push yourself at.
Speaker 1: Wilt it is a bad name for a METSPA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in Bloom is good.
Speaker 2: But I guess if there's one thing I want people
Speaker 2: to take away is yes, I like I like to
Speaker 2: see I like to see what I see in the mirror.
Speaker 2: I guess, like I don't need to look like a model,
Speaker 2: but I want to be confident and that when I
Speaker 2: am meeting people that I am confident enough to come
Speaker 2: shake your hand and do all that. So it's not
Speaker 2: like you guys need to look like these models or whatever,
Speaker 2: but like, just you should like what you see in
Speaker 2: the mirror, and whether that comes from aesthetics or maybe
Speaker 2: you need to go see a therapist. But you should
Speaker 2: love yourself outside and inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're never gonna be your best self because you
Speaker 1: could always be a work in progress, but you could
Speaker 1: work start while being a better version of yourself. And
Speaker 1: this starts there. Sometimes it is outside in you know
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