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<v Speaker 1>Six thirty eight on a Friday, special time of the

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<v Speaker 1>week to be tuned into the fifty five CARC Morning

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<v Speaker 1>Show Tenfoil Dave Hat or Tech Friday with Dave Hatter,

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<v Speaker 1>for your business. You got problems with computers. Somebody's hacked

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<v Speaker 1>Dave and the team are there to help you out

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<v Speaker 1>at intrustit dot com. Welcome back, Dave Hatter. It's always

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<v Speaker 1>a pleasure to have you on my program.

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<v Speaker 2>Always my pleasure to be here, Brian, always pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I read about it yesterday in the Wall Street Journal.

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<v Speaker 1>I brought it up and real quick here before we

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<v Speaker 1>dive into the topics you gave us about. The Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>Communist Party has an ability to communicate with our green infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 1>The solar panels and all these other components have apparently

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<v Speaker 1>built in software and can be put to the various purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>They say, could hack into the systems and shut down grids.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's really alarming.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you wholeheartedly. All that break you may

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<v Speaker 2>recall Brian, it hasn't been that long. And we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about it multiple times about Chinese electric vehicles. And you

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<v Speaker 2>may know this if you spend any time looking empty

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<v Speaker 2>so called Internet of things or aka smart devices, this

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<v Speaker 2>has been a common theme we've talked about. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>these things all have software in them. That software and

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<v Speaker 2>you know hardware that the software runs on. These things

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<v Speaker 2>could have back doors. I think we talked about the

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<v Speaker 2>Unitary robot from China with the back doors they found

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<v Speaker 2>and in and you know, my bigger point is that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>anything that has software is potentially vulnerable, and when it's

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<v Speaker 2>coming from an adversarial country like China, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just upsy ante And then to see this story break

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, my one of my biggest concerns when

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<v Speaker 2>you think about critical infrastructure is the power grid because

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<v Speaker 2>it drives everything else right literally and if if you

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<v Speaker 2>can knock out the power grid, you potentially, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>shut down the whole country. So yeah, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>very concerning. I mean, I guess the good news is

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<v Speaker 2>at this point not an enormous amount of our power

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<v Speaker 2>is generated by Soul organ There are about one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent attendent on that, but the bad news is it's

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<v Speaker 2>an increasing component of the overall grid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Idea that there would be back doors built into these

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<v Speaker 2>things that would allow remote control, including shutting it down,

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<v Speaker 2>is that I'm pretty disturbing. And we'll just tell people

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<v Speaker 2>look no further than stuck sent and what we did

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<v Speaker 2>to the Ranians exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And the article also noted how much the European Union

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<v Speaker 1>is dependent upon the solar and wind power, all of

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<v Speaker 1>which are impacted by this or potentially impacted by this.

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<v Speaker 1>But if the power doesn't work, you can't trade in

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin either, and so we pivot over to bitcoin ATM

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<v Speaker 1>fraud in Arizona. What's the story on this one, Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, so one last quick point on that is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is a perfect example, Brian of a

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<v Speaker 2>why we need to be skeptical about so called smart

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<v Speaker 2>devices and they need to be thoroughly vivident. B We've

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<v Speaker 2>got to reshure and start making things here so we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to worry about these threats, right. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 2>this this is a scam, and you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>more of the same old thing of you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>get some kind of text, email, phone call, whatever. Scammers

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<v Speaker 2>will come at you in whatever medium they can find

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<v Speaker 2>you in and then tell you, you know, where the FBI,

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<v Speaker 2>where the I R S, where's your local sheriff's office, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know you've got to find a warrant fill

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<v Speaker 2>in the blank. And then they want to send you

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<v Speaker 2>to an ATM that can issue bitcoin so that you

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<v Speaker 2>can exchange your cash or credit for bitcoin and send

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<v Speaker 2>the bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people still fall for.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Apparently they do. Apparently there's you know, there a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of reporting out of Arizona. You know, there aren't

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<v Speaker 2>that many bitcoin based ATMs around, but there are out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not too hard to find.

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<v Speaker 1>The point being though, what no agency in government that

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<v Speaker 1>has that level of authority would ask you to go

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<v Speaker 1>over and get bitcoin out through an online transaction to

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<v Speaker 1>pay off this alleged fine. And that's the laughable part

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<v Speaker 1>about it. No, they won't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. I don't understand how it is

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<v Speaker 2>that people don't get that yet, and that I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just just the ridiculousness of the whole thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a problem fill in the blank of problem,

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<v Speaker 2>and some bad thing is going to happen, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fill in the blank. If you don't get bitcoin or

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<v Speaker 2>fill in the blank in this case bitcoin by a

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<v Speaker 2>certain time. Yeah, I'll just encourage everyone that can hear

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<v Speaker 2>us talking this morning, go to the IRS website i

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<v Speaker 2>RS dot gov and see what they say about how

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<v Speaker 2>they will contact you. They will not call you, they

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<v Speaker 2>will not email you, they will not text you and

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<v Speaker 2>tell you that you have back taxes. But hey, everything

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<v Speaker 2>will be fine if you just go get some bitcoins

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<v Speaker 2>and they won't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe it's a state of ignorance brought about

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<v Speaker 1>by our failing education system. Dave, I don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>left in I'm just left to wonder about that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel for most, most notably senior. You can't stay

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<v Speaker 1>up with technology and think that this may be a

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<v Speaker 1>real thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Yeah, it's it's hard to understand. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the best advice is always be skeptical and to the

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<v Speaker 2>extent you can stay aware of these scam The next

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<v Speaker 2>best advice is to understand, no legitimate government agency is

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<v Speaker 2>going to send you to an APM to get bitcoin

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<v Speaker 2>or paying gift cards or anything like that. And do

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<v Speaker 2>you have any doubt about that? Yeah, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you have any doubt about something like that, stop go

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<v Speaker 2>out of band, you go. Let's let's say it's the

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<v Speaker 2>Kenton County Chef's office that's telling you there's a warrant

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going to get arrested if you don't send

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<v Speaker 2>a big points you go.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not how you get out of it, for Rest.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got to be adjudicated in court. Red flags, red flags,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, just ignore them completely. If it's legitimate,

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<v Speaker 1>they will come knocking on your front door. If it's

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<v Speaker 1>a law enforcement related issue, or if it's the case

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<v Speaker 1>the irs, you will get a hard copy piece of

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<v Speaker 1>paper delivered in the mail. Pause we'll bring We'll bring

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<v Speaker 1>Dave back.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you go there and talk to him in person

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<v Speaker 2>or call him on a number you could verify right,

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<v Speaker 2>and they'll tell you it's a scam.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they will, so confirm your suspicions. Run with your suspicions.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll bring you back. Apple supporting brain control devices. This

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<v Speaker 1>is frightening stuff. Brave new world we are facing. That's

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<v Speaker 1>next with Tech Friday's Dave Hatter six. If you got

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<v Speaker 1>their city Talks station introt it dot com, that's where

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<v Speaker 1>you find Tech Friday's Dave Hatter. Dave I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a hard no on this one. There is no

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<v Speaker 1>way I'm getting a brain implant.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Brian, I'm going to be a hard right there

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys can count on you.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's uh, let's go back to the last story,

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<v Speaker 2>or really where we started with the Chinese Communist Party

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<v Speaker 2>backdoors in the solar panels. Okay, how long have we

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<v Speaker 2>been doing this show, Brian? A long time?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, very long? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And how many times have we talked about some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of software of vulnerability that creates a problem a lot

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<v Speaker 2>because hackers get exploited? Do you really think do you

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<v Speaker 2>really think where we're at today. I'm not saying there

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<v Speaker 2>might not come a time one hundred years from now

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<v Speaker 2>when something like this would be a lot more difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to hack. But if you think that some where we're

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<v Speaker 2>at today, you could have one hundred percent trust that

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of brain implant could not be hacked somehow

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<v Speaker 2>to either make you do things you don't want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, I'm not a neuroscientist. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>much about exactly what they're doing other than they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to build an interface between you know, directly between your

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<v Speaker 2>brain and external devices like neuralink, and in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>Apple is working with a company called synchron But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>with this, I just I have to keep reiterating to

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<v Speaker 2>people all the time. One of the reasons why we're

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<v Speaker 2>in the mess we're in with all this technology is

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<v Speaker 2>because this stuff is still fairly immature in the history

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<v Speaker 2>of the human race, right. I mean, it's really only

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<v Speaker 2>been maybe fifty years since you've had widespread use of technology,

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<v Speaker 2>and really, you know, thirty years since the Internet and

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<v Speaker 2>everything has turned digital. All of the technology that makes

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<v Speaker 2>everything work and it's Internet related is all really old.

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<v Speaker 2>It was designed in the late sixties and early seventies

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<v Speaker 2>for the most part. And security, privacy, all these things

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<v Speaker 2>we care about today because everything is digital and because

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<v Speaker 2>these tech people want to connect directly to your brain,

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<v Speaker 2>we're designed without security in mind, and thus we have

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<v Speaker 2>inherently insecure underlying technologies. You've got to do all this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff to try to secure it. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>could we could do hours of talking about vulnerabilities found

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<v Speaker 2>in various products and the Internet of Things in particular.

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<v Speaker 2>So this becomes the ultimate Internet of things, right, because

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<v Speaker 2>you become an object in the Internet things if you

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<v Speaker 2>interface directly with these external devices. And yeah, I'm like you,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a hard knowing this. I understand what they purportedly claim.

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<v Speaker 2>The rationale for this is, you know, it's it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to let people who have some sort of disability interact

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<v Speaker 2>with their devices live in more normal life. See again

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<v Speaker 2>here again, et cetera. Right, But yeah, we're just out

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<v Speaker 2>of place where there is no way I would trust

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<v Speaker 2>something like this. And if you every day here in

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<v Speaker 2>the recent past, as we become more and more dependent

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<v Speaker 2>on this stuff, you see more and more examples where

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<v Speaker 2>researchers find a flaw on this. There's a problem with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh look, here's another thing that came from China that

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<v Speaker 2>seems to have some sort of vulnerability or back door

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<v Speaker 2>in it. Not a chance I would do something like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet the brain chip would convince you that the Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>Communist Party philosophy of politics is a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well maybe again, I'm no neuroscientists. I don't know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if I would just say this, I mean, again, not

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<v Speaker 2>a scientist operating at this level. I'm just a dumb

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<v Speaker 2>programmer that tries to tell people to protect their assets

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<v Speaker 2>and be aware of and take these things seriously. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if I can send a signal to the

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<v Speaker 2>device and make it do something, and it does something, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it has to send that feedback to me. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess if I have fight, I could see that and

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<v Speaker 2>potentially act accordingly. But if I'm blind, it would have

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to send some kind of signal back

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<v Speaker 2>to my brain to tell me that it did it,

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<v Speaker 2>and they wait for the next step, right, So there

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<v Speaker 2>would have to be at least some sort of two

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<v Speaker 2>way communication and knowing that, yeah, not a chance I

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<v Speaker 1>No, you know, they think about it. They have to

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<v Speaker 1>to do something by just thinking about it. But at

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I will be here the last.

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<v Speaker 1>On that list when they order you at point of

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we're going to talk about next app six

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<v Speaker 1>And I note the article that you attached to this

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<v Speaker 2>Well a dim one at best. But I want to

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<v Speaker 2>all And again, Brian, I can only level set here

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<v Speaker 2>and I would have a lot more confidence in it

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<v Speaker 2>because all the security flaws are fixed and the privacy

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<v Speaker 2>like Star Trek where you can just talk to the

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<v Speaker 2>computer and everything as swell right. That is not our

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<v Speaker 2>world today. So let me here's the headline. The disturbing

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<v Speaker 2>message is shared between AI chatbot and teen who took

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<v Speaker 2>his own life, and again I'll post all this in

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<v Speaker 2>my notes. If you read through this, here's just I

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<v Speaker 2>to the met thing. So when I started using Character

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<v Speaker 2>AI in April twenty twenty three, shortly after he turned fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>to harmful dependency, to suit states, So there's a lawsuit

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<v Speaker 2>because this kid was talking to Danaris target or I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, some character from Game of Thrones, which I

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. It's really super disturbing if you dig

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<v Speaker 2>into this a bit. Here's another headline related to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy fourteen sell in love with Game of Thrones chatbots

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<v Speaker 2>come home to her. And there's screenshots of all this stuff. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah again, I'll put this in the notes and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we dig into this particular thing. It's super disturbing,

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<v Speaker 2>and people really need to talk to their kids. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a machine. It's not your friend. Now. That gets this

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<v Speaker 2>back there where we started. Mark Zuckerberg envisions the future

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<v Speaker 2>where your friends are AI chatbots. Here's another related headline.

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<v Speaker 2>Once Zuckerberg is missing on AI and loneliness, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>several interviews recently he's talked about this. He's wearing these

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<v Speaker 2>which they've conveniently built so that you know, while you're

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<v Speaker 2>of dystopian proelian thing you could possibly imagine. But it

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<v Speaker 2>gets into this idea that Americans only have three friends.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm going to read a direct note to

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<v Speaker 2>demand for meaningly more. I think it's like fifteen friends.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the idea is here that the meta AI,

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<v Speaker 2>become your friend. You know, don't reinvest in communities, don't

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<v Speaker 2>build things for human beings can interact with each other. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>just get on the line and talk to Denarius, car

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<v Speaker 2>Gun or whatever, and you know then eventually you'll kill yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, you know, allegedly purportedly. It's I don't know, man,

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<v Speaker 2>this this stuff is so insane, And I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>takeaway for me is, you know a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>AI tools can be very helpful in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're not your friend. And you know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>Amen. You know, I suppose that this this is more

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean, I spring from the proposition that I

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<v Speaker 1>know that this is not that character from Gain Thrones,

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<v Speaker 1>with something that is computer generated. So how could I

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<v Speaker 1>possibly go down the rabbit hole of taking what that

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<v Speaker 1>particular generated text or communication is serious or in some way,

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<v Speaker 1>shape or form actually real. I just I could never

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<v Speaker 1>get over that. I mean, I'm talking to a robot. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what I'm talking with. This isn't a human

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<v Speaker 1>being capable of emotion or you know, being honest with

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<v Speaker 1>You got to you got to take into a step

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<v Speaker 2>So let me hit you with another quote here real quick,

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<v Speaker 2>for aunt of time. Quote for people who don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a therapist. I think everyone will have an AI, Zuckerberg

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<v Speaker 2>said in a separate podcast. You know they already want

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<v Speaker 2>to know everything there is to know about you to

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<v Speaker 2>manipulate you, at least from a marketing purpose, to forget

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<v Speaker 2>whatever else. Yeah, whatever else has been ledged. We already

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<v Speaker 2>know your data is leaked and stolen all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine. I mean, at least when you talk

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<v Speaker 2>to a live therapist, right, there are rules around what

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<v Speaker 2>they can disclose. Now you're telling your deepest, darkest secrets,

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<v Speaker 2>and this AI that's capturing all that and stintly sharing

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<v Speaker 2>it with any unknown third parties. Crazy asual, We are

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<v Speaker 2>not not ready for this. The technology is not ready for.

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<v Speaker 2>People are not ready for We really need to as

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<v Speaker 2>people slow roll this, it's getting out of hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Amen. Brother, appreciate all that you do for the listening

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<v Speaker 1>audience keeping them aware of this and the most notably,

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<v Speaker 1>the dangers associated with this tech world we live in.

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<v Speaker 1>Tune in next Friday for another edition to Tech Friday

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<v Speaker 1>with Dave Hodder. Thanks again to intrust it Online at

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<v Speaker 1>intrust dot com. Dave, you have a wonderful weekend, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks brying you to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, yes, sir,