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Speaker 1: at intrustit dot com. Welcome back, Dave Hatter. It's always
Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on my program.
Speaker 2: Always my pleasure to be here, Brian, always pleasure.
Speaker 1: Hey, I read about it yesterday in the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 1: I brought it up and real quick here before we
Speaker 1: dive into the topics you gave us about. The Chinese
Speaker 1: Communist Party has an ability to communicate with our green infrastructure.
Speaker 1: The solar panels and all these other components have apparently
Speaker 1: built in software and can be put to the various purposes.
Speaker 1: They say, could hack into the systems and shut down grids.
Speaker 1: I mean it's really alarming.
Speaker 2: I agree with you wholeheartedly. All that break you may
Speaker 2: recall Brian, it hasn't been that long. And we've talked
Speaker 2: about it multiple times about Chinese electric vehicles. And you
Speaker 2: may know this if you spend any time looking empty
Speaker 2: so called Internet of things or aka smart devices, this
Speaker 2: has been a common theme we've talked about. You know,
Speaker 2: these things all have software in them. That software and
Speaker 2: you know hardware that the software runs on. These things
Speaker 2: could have back doors. I think we talked about the
Speaker 2: Unitary robot from China with the back doors they found
Speaker 2: and in and you know, my bigger point is that, yeah,
Speaker 2: anything that has software is potentially vulnerable, and when it's
Speaker 2: coming from an adversarial country like China, you know, that's
Speaker 2: just upsy ante And then to see this story break
Speaker 2: and you know, my one of my biggest concerns when
Speaker 2: you think about critical infrastructure is the power grid because
Speaker 2: it drives everything else right literally and if if you
Speaker 2: can knock out the power grid, you potentially, you know,
Speaker 2: shut down the whole country. So yeah, I think it's
Speaker 2: very concerning. I mean, I guess the good news is
Speaker 2: at this point not an enormous amount of our power
Speaker 2: is generated by Soul organ There are about one hundred
Speaker 2: percent attendent on that, but the bad news is it's
Speaker 2: an increasing component of the overall grid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the.
Speaker 2: Idea that there would be back doors built into these
Speaker 2: things that would allow remote control, including shutting it down,
Speaker 2: is that I'm pretty disturbing. And we'll just tell people
Speaker 2: look no further than stuck sent and what we did
Speaker 2: to the Ranians exactly.
Speaker 1: And the article also noted how much the European Union
Speaker 1: is dependent upon the solar and wind power, all of
Speaker 1: which are impacted by this or potentially impacted by this.
Speaker 1: But if the power doesn't work, you can't trade in
Speaker 1: bitcoin either, and so we pivot over to bitcoin ATM
Speaker 1: fraud in Arizona. What's the story on this one, Dave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, so one last quick point on that is,
Speaker 2: you know, this is a perfect example, Brian of a
Speaker 2: why we need to be skeptical about so called smart
Speaker 2: devices and they need to be thoroughly vivident. B We've
Speaker 2: got to reshure and start making things here so we
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about these threats, right. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: this this is a scam, and you know, it's just
Speaker 2: more of the same old thing of you know, you
Speaker 2: get some kind of text, email, phone call, whatever. Scammers
Speaker 2: will come at you in whatever medium they can find
Speaker 2: you in and then tell you, you know, where the FBI,
Speaker 2: where the I R S, where's your local sheriff's office, whatever,
Speaker 2: and you know you've got to find a warrant fill
Speaker 2: in the blank. And then they want to send you
Speaker 2: to an ATM that can issue bitcoin so that you
Speaker 2: can exchange your cash or credit for bitcoin and send
Speaker 2: the bitcoin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people still fall for.
Speaker 2: That, Apparently they do. Apparently there's you know, there a
Speaker 2: lot of reporting out of Arizona. You know, there aren't
Speaker 2: that many bitcoin based ATMs around, but there are out there,
Speaker 2: and they're not too hard to find.
Speaker 1: The point being though, what no agency in government that
Speaker 1: has that level of authority would ask you to go
Speaker 1: over and get bitcoin out through an online transaction to
Speaker 1: pay off this alleged fine. And that's the laughable part
Speaker 1: about it. No, they won't do that.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I don't understand how it is
Speaker 2: that people don't get that yet, and that I mean,
Speaker 2: just just the ridiculousness of the whole thing. You know,
Speaker 2: you have a problem fill in the blank of problem,
Speaker 2: and some bad thing is going to happen, you know,
Speaker 2: fill in the blank. If you don't get bitcoin or
Speaker 2: fill in the blank in this case bitcoin by a
Speaker 2: certain time. Yeah, I'll just encourage everyone that can hear
Speaker 2: us talking this morning, go to the IRS website i
Speaker 2: RS dot gov and see what they say about how
Speaker 2: they will contact you. They will not call you, they
Speaker 2: will not email you, they will not text you and
Speaker 2: tell you that you have back taxes. But hey, everything
Speaker 2: will be fine if you just go get some bitcoins
Speaker 2: and they won't do that.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe it's a state of ignorance brought about
Speaker 1: by our failing education system. Dave, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: left in I'm just left to wonder about that. You know,
Speaker 1: I feel for most, most notably senior. You can't stay
Speaker 1: up with technology and think that this may be a
Speaker 1: real thing.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, it's it's hard to understand. And you know,
Speaker 2: the best advice is always be skeptical and to the
Speaker 2: extent you can stay aware of these scam The next
Speaker 2: best advice is to understand, no legitimate government agency is
Speaker 2: going to send you to an APM to get bitcoin
Speaker 2: or paying gift cards or anything like that. And do
Speaker 2: you have any doubt about that? Yeah, you know, if
Speaker 2: you have any doubt about something like that, stop go
Speaker 2: out of band, you go. Let's let's say it's the
Speaker 2: Kenton County Chef's office that's telling you there's a warrant
Speaker 2: and you're going to get arrested if you don't send
Speaker 2: a big points you go.
Speaker 1: It's not how you get out of it, for Rest.
Speaker 1: It's got to be adjudicated in court. Red flags, red flags,
Speaker 1: you know what, just ignore them completely. If it's legitimate,
Speaker 1: they will come knocking on your front door. If it's
Speaker 1: a law enforcement related issue, or if it's the case
Speaker 1: the irs, you will get a hard copy piece of
Speaker 1: paper delivered in the mail. Pause we'll bring We'll bring
Speaker 1: Dave back.
Speaker 2: Then you go there and talk to him in person
Speaker 2: or call him on a number you could verify right,
Speaker 2: and they'll tell you it's a scam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they will, so confirm your suspicions. Run with your suspicions.
Speaker 1: We'll bring you back. Apple supporting brain control devices. This
Speaker 1: is frightening stuff. Brave new world we are facing. That's
Speaker 1: next with Tech Friday's Dave Hatter six. If you got
Speaker 1: their city Talks station introt it dot com, that's where
Speaker 1: you find Tech Friday's Dave Hatter. Dave I'm going to
Speaker 1: be a hard no on this one. There is no
Speaker 1: way I'm getting a brain implant.
Speaker 2: Well, Brian, I'm going to be a hard right there
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: Hey, guys can count on you.
Speaker 2: So let's uh, let's go back to the last story,
Speaker 2: or really where we started with the Chinese Communist Party
Speaker 2: backdoors in the solar panels. Okay, how long have we
Speaker 2: been doing this show, Brian? A long time?
Speaker 1: Right, very long? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And how many times have we talked about some kind
Speaker 2: of software of vulnerability that creates a problem a lot
Speaker 2: because hackers get exploited? Do you really think do you
Speaker 2: really think where we're at today. I'm not saying there
Speaker 2: might not come a time one hundred years from now
Speaker 2: when something like this would be a lot more difficult
Speaker 2: to hack. But if you think that some where we're
Speaker 2: at today, you could have one hundred percent trust that
Speaker 2: some sort of brain implant could not be hacked somehow
Speaker 2: to either make you do things you don't want to do.
Speaker 2: And again, I'm not a neuroscientist. I don't know that
Speaker 2: much about exactly what they're doing other than they're trying
Speaker 2: to build an interface between you know, directly between your
Speaker 2: brain and external devices like neuralink, and in this case,
Speaker 2: Apple is working with a company called synchron But yeah,
Speaker 2: with this, I just I have to keep reiterating to
Speaker 2: people all the time. One of the reasons why we're
Speaker 2: in the mess we're in with all this technology is
Speaker 2: because this stuff is still fairly immature in the history
Speaker 2: of the human race, right. I mean, it's really only
Speaker 2: been maybe fifty years since you've had widespread use of technology,
Speaker 2: and really, you know, thirty years since the Internet and
Speaker 2: everything has turned digital. All of the technology that makes
Speaker 2: everything work and it's Internet related is all really old.
Speaker 2: It was designed in the late sixties and early seventies
Speaker 2: for the most part. And security, privacy, all these things
Speaker 2: we care about today because everything is digital and because
Speaker 2: these tech people want to connect directly to your brain,
Speaker 2: we're designed without security in mind, and thus we have
Speaker 2: inherently insecure underlying technologies. You've got to do all this
Speaker 2: stuff to try to secure it. And you know, I
Speaker 2: could we could do hours of talking about vulnerabilities found
Speaker 2: in various products and the Internet of Things in particular.
Speaker 2: So this becomes the ultimate Internet of things, right, because
Speaker 2: you become an object in the Internet things if you
Speaker 2: have some sort of brain implant that allows you to
Speaker 2: interface directly with these external devices. And yeah, I'm like you,
Speaker 2: I'm a hard knowing this. I understand what they purportedly claim.
Speaker 2: The rationale for this is, you know, it's it's going
Speaker 2: to let people who have some sort of disability interact
Speaker 2: with their devices live in more normal life. See again
Speaker 2: here again, et cetera. Right, But yeah, we're just out
Speaker 2: of place where there is no way I would trust
Speaker 2: something like this. And if you every day here in
Speaker 2: the recent past, as we become more and more dependent
Speaker 2: on this stuff, you see more and more examples where
Speaker 2: researchers find a flaw on this. There's a problem with that.
Speaker 2: Oh look, here's another thing that came from China that
Speaker 2: seems to have some sort of vulnerability or back door
Speaker 2: in it. Not a chance I would do something like this.
Speaker 1: Yet the brain chip would convince you that the Chinese
Speaker 1: Communist Party philosophy of politics is a good thing.
Speaker 2: Well maybe again, I'm no neuroscientists. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: if I would just say this, I mean, again, not
Speaker 2: a scientist operating at this level. I'm just a dumb
Speaker 2: programmer that tries to tell people to protect their assets
Speaker 2: and be aware of and take these things seriously. But
Speaker 2: you know, if I can send a signal to the
Speaker 2: device and make it do something, and it does something, well,
Speaker 2: it has to send that feedback to me. Now, I
Speaker 2: guess if I have fight, I could see that and
Speaker 2: potentially act accordingly. But if I'm blind, it would have
Speaker 2: to be able to send some kind of signal back
Speaker 2: to my brain to tell me that it did it,
Speaker 2: and they wait for the next step, right, So there
Speaker 2: would have to be at least some sort of two
Speaker 2: way communication and knowing that, yeah, not a chance I
Speaker 2: would do that.
Speaker 1: No, you know, they think about it. They have to
Speaker 1: get volunteers to try this stuff out. If it works.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can. You could put a neuro chip
Speaker 1: in a mouse, but I don't know how they would
Speaker 1: test the performance of any given measure by that mouse
Speaker 1: to do something by just thinking about it. But at
Speaker 1: one point, you know, there's always some idiot that's willing
Speaker 1: to say I'll do it. I'll do it. There's a
Speaker 1: first for everything that would not be the y let's uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will be here the last.
Speaker 1: On that list when they order you at point of
Speaker 1: a gun to do it. Six forty six right now
Speaker 1: will bring Dave back one more Meta's new artificial intelligence app.
Speaker 1: That's what we're going to talk about next app six
Speaker 1: fifty one. If you've have KERCD talk station Bryan Thomas
Speaker 1: along with Dave Hatter and thanks to his company in
Speaker 1: trust I for sponsoring a segment of passling all this information.
Speaker 1: And I note the article that you attached to this
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg Surreal New AI app author Adam ST's I think
Speaker 1: he shares your view of Meta generally speaking.
Speaker 2: Well a dim one at best. But I want to
Speaker 2: back into this because of the sort of ridiculousness of
Speaker 2: all And again, Brian, I can only level set here
Speaker 2: by sayings, there may come a time at some future
Speaker 2: point when all of this stuff is much more mature,
Speaker 2: and I would have a lot more confidence in it
Speaker 2: because all the security flaws are fixed and the privacy
Speaker 2: concerns were addressed, And we live in a beautiful world
Speaker 2: like Star Trek where you can just talk to the
Speaker 2: computer and everything as swell right. That is not our
Speaker 2: world today. So let me here's the headline. The disturbing
Speaker 2: message is shared between AI chatbot and teen who took
Speaker 2: his own life, and again I'll post all this in
Speaker 2: my notes. If you read through this, here's just I
Speaker 2: want to just touch on this and then get back
Speaker 2: to the met thing. So when I started using Character
Speaker 2: AI in April twenty twenty three, shortly after he turned fourteen.
Speaker 2: In the months to follow, the team became noticeably withdrawn
Speaker 2: with grow from school and extracurriculars and started spending more
Speaker 2: and more time online. His time on Character AI grew
Speaker 2: to harmful dependency, to suit states, So there's a lawsuit
Speaker 2: because this kid was talking to Danaris target or I
Speaker 2: don't know, some character from Game of Thrones, which I
Speaker 2: did not watch. He's in love with this thing. You
Speaker 2: can read all of this feedback between him and this
Speaker 2: AI bot that's telling him that it loves him and
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. It's really super disturbing if you dig
Speaker 2: into this a bit. Here's another headline related to it.
Speaker 2: Boy fourteen sell in love with Game of Thrones chatbots
Speaker 2: and kill himself after AI app told him to quote
Speaker 2: come home to her. And there's screenshots of all this stuff. Okay,
Speaker 2: but yeah again, I'll put this in the notes and
Speaker 2: maybe we dig into this particular thing. It's super disturbing,
Speaker 2: and people really need to talk to their kids. It's
Speaker 2: a machine. It's not your friend. Now. That gets this
Speaker 2: back there where we started. Mark Zuckerberg envisions the future
Speaker 2: where your friends are AI chatbots. Here's another related headline.
Speaker 2: Once Zuckerberg is missing on AI and loneliness, and you know,
Speaker 2: several interviews recently he's talked about this. He's wearing these
Speaker 2: crazy glasses, which I think are the new ray band glasses,
Speaker 2: which they've conveniently built so that you know, while you're
Speaker 2: talking to someone that can scan your face and learn
Speaker 2: about you and report your conversations and every other sort
Speaker 2: of dystopian proelian thing you could possibly imagine. But it
Speaker 2: gets into this idea that Americans only have three friends.
Speaker 2: And so I'm going to read a direct note to
Speaker 2: the average American I think has fewer than three friends,
Speaker 2: three people they consider friends, and the average person has
Speaker 2: demand for meaningly more. I think it's like fifteen friends.
Speaker 2: And you know, the idea is here that the meta AI,
Speaker 2: as opposed to the open AI AI or Google or
Speaker 2: fill in the blank rock from X, it's going to
Speaker 2: become your friend. You know, don't reinvest in communities, don't
Speaker 2: build things for human beings can interact with each other. Now,
Speaker 2: just get on the line and talk to Denarius, car
Speaker 2: Gun or whatever, and you know then eventually you'll kill yourself.
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, allegedly purportedly. It's I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: this this stuff is so insane, And I guess the
Speaker 2: takeaway for me is, you know a lot of these
Speaker 2: AI tools can be very helpful in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: but they're not your friend. And you know, if you
Speaker 2: think you have a meaningful relationship with some AI you're
Speaker 2: talking to online, I would ask you to step back
Speaker 2: and question that you know, and we really need to
Speaker 2: be talking to our kids about this.
Speaker 1: Amen. You know, I suppose that this this is more
Speaker 1: of a problem for folks who are already struggling with
Speaker 1: some sort of I don't know, diagnosable mental health problem,
Speaker 1: because I mean, I spring from the proposition that I
Speaker 1: know that this is not that character from Gain Thrones,
Speaker 1: because that is a fictional character. And then I'm dealing
Speaker 1: with something that is computer generated. So how could I
Speaker 1: possibly go down the rabbit hole of taking what that
Speaker 1: particular generated text or communication is serious or in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form actually real. I just I could never
Speaker 1: get over that. I mean, I'm talking to a robot. Basically,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm talking with. This isn't a human
Speaker 1: being capable of emotion or you know, being honest with
Speaker 1: me or anything like that. It's just I don't know.
Speaker 1: You got to you got to take into a step
Speaker 1: into a different realm to to fall into the belief
Speaker 1: that you're actually talking with something that is substantive and genuine.
Speaker 2: So let me hit you with another quote here real quick,
Speaker 2: for aunt of time. Quote for people who don't have
Speaker 2: a therapist. I think everyone will have an AI, Zuckerberg
Speaker 2: said in a separate podcast. You know they already want
Speaker 2: to know everything there is to know about you to
Speaker 2: manipulate you, at least from a marketing purpose, to forget
Speaker 2: whatever else. Yeah, whatever else has been ledged. We already
Speaker 2: know your data is leaked and stolen all the time.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine. I mean, at least when you talk
Speaker 2: to a live therapist, right, there are rules around what
Speaker 2: they can disclose. Now you're telling your deepest, darkest secrets,
Speaker 2: and this AI that's capturing all that and stintly sharing
Speaker 2: it with any unknown third parties. Crazy asual, We are
Speaker 2: not not ready for this. The technology is not ready for.
Speaker 2: People are not ready for We really need to as
Speaker 2: people slow roll this, it's getting out of hand.
Speaker 1: Amen. Brother, appreciate all that you do for the listening
Speaker 1: audience keeping them aware of this and the most notably,
Speaker 1: the dangers associated with this tech world we live in.
Speaker 1: Tune in next Friday for another edition to Tech Friday
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Speaker 2: Thanks brying you to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Then, yes, sir,