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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Astrology with Alice. I'm

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here with my good friend and fellow astrologer, Michelle Grodnick.

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She's an LA based astrologer and coach, and she also

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has her astrology business called Fourth House Astrology, which I

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want to talk about like why you chose that name

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in a second. But welcome Michelle, Thank you so much

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for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so happy here.

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Speaker 1: For everyone that doesn't know, what is your sun moon

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and rising?

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Speaker 2: So my son is Capricorn, but I have six planets

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a Capricorn, yeah, like super Capricorn son, and then I

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have a Gemini moon and Vigo rising.

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Speaker 1: Where also is your mercury Capricorn? Yeah, because that's another

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question I've been wanting to ask Gus. Where's the chart ruler?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's exactly conjunct Venus as well.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, in Capricorn. That's crazy. Yeah. I

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wanted to talk a little bit about how we met

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because I love making new astrologer friends and I feel

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like it's taken me. Like I've been in this profession

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for eight years now, and when I first started out,

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I had like one astrologer friend. So I love that

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we've connected in recent months. You literally just cold emailed

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me one day and you were like, hey, I'm in

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town because you you grew up in New York, right, Yeah,

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So I grew.

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Speaker 2: Up here in New York and I moved to LA

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during my sad and return so when I was coming

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back to New York, I was like, Okay, Like, how

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can I make this a little bit more fun?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I just like, I've always loved yourself, I've always

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loved your content, and you're literally the only astrology podcast

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I listened to. Okay love Okay, it's so good. And yeah,

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I just emailed you and you immediately responded so nice.

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Speaker 1: And we went out to coffee and it's like, I

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feel like when you connect with someone, it's very obvious.

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And we talked for three hours. Literally. It was such

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a nice conversation. That's what I love about Gemini Moon

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and Gemini placements. It's just easy to talk to. Yeah,

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it's the best. So why don't you give some background

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on like how you first got into astrology. Is this

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something you've always been into or did it come about randomly?

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Speaker 2: It was literally the most random thing. I'm not kidding,

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Like I had started my Saturn return and I was

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feeling and my Saturn's in the sixth house.

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Speaker 1: So Saturn Aquarius. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I was, you know, frustrated with work in

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the corporate world, and I'm just you know, like when

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you're just like at your desk, like, oh my god,

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what should I do?

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Speaker 1: Should I just be an astrologer?

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Speaker 2: You know? And it's just like poofed into my head

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and like maybe I like had some astrology content on

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my Instagram, like maybe i'd co star, but nothing like

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more than your average girl. Yeah, And I just started

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searching and then I found this great astrologery who had

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these classes and I was like.

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Speaker 1: Let me just do it.

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Speaker 2: And I was just like immediately obsessed.

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Speaker 1: What astrologer was this that you took?

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Speaker 2: Coss those from Rose Theodora.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I haven't heard of her. Yeah, she's cool.

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Speaker 2: She's American, but she's based in Madrid and she has

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these really great just like I just learned the fundamentals,

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you know what I mean. Like I didn't know I

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didn't even know I was in my Saturn return when

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this happened. And she was the one who told me that.

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I was like, wait what And then she told me

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and like, looking back, it's kind of crazy because there

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was a solar eclipse right on my natal Jupiter at

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that time.

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Speaker 1: Where's is your Jupiter Scorpio?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Scorpio and so it was like both my

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sat in return and like the hit of the solar

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eclips right just really so this was twenty twenty two, yeah,

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because clipses are in Scorpio in twenty twenty two and yes,

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and well we'll get into that, but yeah, that you

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met all of the crazy transits.

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Speaker 1: But how so when you first got into it, you

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were taking classes and then did I don't know, how

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did your interests evolve over time as an astrologer. Yeah,

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so I went.

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Speaker 2: Once I learned the fundamentals, I started to just like

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dive in do so much research. And it was interesting

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because I so I lost my mom when I was eighteen.

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I was learning astrology, I was like, I wonder if

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I could look at my mom's chart, and I found

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her birth certificate. I got the time and I saw

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it and I was like, oh my god, like there

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were so many connections between my chart and hers. Yeah,

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and I was like, that was the first time I

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knew that astrology could be like genetic and passed down,

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like my Jupiter was exactly on her ascendant.

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Speaker 1: I love my part of fortune.

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Speaker 2: So the midpoint between the sun moon and rising was

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exactly to the degree on my mom's moon.

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Speaker 1: Whoa.

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Speaker 2: I was just like what is this like? So I

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got really into family astrology. So I read like Aaron

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Sullivan's book Astrology of Family Dynamics Planetary Threads with Lynn Bell,

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and that's like really who I learned from, like more deeply,

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and so I was really into the family dynamics. And

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then that's kind of where like fourth hass astrology comes from, right,

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because that's like ruling the family. And then as I

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was doing more kind of research into family astrology and

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things like that, I was finding things like family constellations

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and then internal family systems, which is parts work more

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of like that psychological approach, and I was like, oh,

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I was like this is interesting because internal family systems

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is all about how we are made up of many parts, right,

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And when I learned about that, I was like, wait,

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I have many parts. I have many planets, And I

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was like, the planets are like parts. So I did

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like this six month course with the Center for Self Leadership,

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which is you know, ifs they're like school, and I

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went deeply into that, and then I started really getting

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into like this psychological approach with astrology and being able

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to kind of like dig deep, learn about yourself, learn

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about your patterns. And that's why I got a coaching

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certification because I was like, there's like and being a

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Kajulian Capricorn, how can I make this like useful for people?

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How can I make this, you know, help people better

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them with this incredible art and tool and symbolic language.

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So that's kind of been the progression so far.

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Speaker 1: I like the difference between our practices like yours with

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the theme of Fourth House of astrology, like digging into

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the past and like how you were raised and where

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you come from. Do you get into like ancestry stuff too,

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beyond just your like immediate parents.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so a lot of the time if

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there are strong Fourth House ties, I'll be like, okay,

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like we need to learn more about your ancestry or like,

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was there a certain way that you know, your father's

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side really felt toward the women in the family, and

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like these dynamics come up that people never really thought

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about super deeply because it's just like, oh, yeah, that's

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just like where I come from or like our culture

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or whatever. But like these stories shape how we behave

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so especially if there's like strong Fourth House placements or

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even any outer planets impacting the moon, that's when like

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really start to talk about like ancestry and family and

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all that.

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Speaker 1: Because family in my chart is the most difficult part

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of my chart because I have my Pluto in the

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fourth House and I also have the fourth House ruler

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Mars Retrograde in the twelve. So like that's like an

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area I will become interested over time, like as I

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start my own family and things like that. I'm sure,

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but just like even before I got into astrology, family's

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usually something like to avoid because it's it wasn't like

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comfortable growing up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And how do you feel like once you face it,

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do you feel like you're able to like really open

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up your life in new ways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like healing and setting boundaries and family and not

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like engaging in the same patterns as like how I

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grow the most.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like it's like acknowledging all these stories

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and all of the pain and like being able to

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unblock yourself through that because again like very capricorn over here,

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like how can we achieve your highest self? How can

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you achieve your goals? And to me, like, it's really

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only through unblocking the stories, unblocking you know, those insecurities

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that come from the family that that really help us

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grow into the people we want to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So when someone comes to you for reading, is

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like the first thing you're zooming in on in a

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chart like that fourth house or there are other elements.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, the moon, the moon, ok one, like any aspects

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to the moon. And if I see a Saturn moon situation,

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a urinous moon, a neptune moon, I'm like, Okay, here

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we go. That's really what I look at. And then

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I really look at if Saturn is aspecting anything prominently.

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That's really important for me just because I feel like

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that's where a lot of our blocks come from. You

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have definitely a Saturn and that could be like our

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critic and you know so or that heaviness. So I

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do often look and see, okay, Saturn chatting with any

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of the other planets.

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Speaker 1: You being so caborn heavy. I'm so aquarious heavy in

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my chart, like Saturn is our guy. Yes, yeah, we

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love them.

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Speaker 2: No, Saturn is literally our higher power, yeah no, but

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I mean there's definitely a mixed relationship with Saturn. Yeah.

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In general, I feel like it does. It holds people

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back sometimes, don't you think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like even I have Saturn and Aquarius, it's not

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like conjunct my son or Mercury. But even just being

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in the same sign as like my chart ruler, which

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is my son and Mercury. As a child was very shy,

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like very self conscious, hard to speak up and like

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be my full self. So it's interesting seeing like the

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evolution of Saturn as you get older one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like the way that it changes post

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Saturn return is crazy, like because there are so many

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gifts that come with Saturn, but they take time, and

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a lot of the time they first manifest as like

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tough lessons and then you really grow into it and

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learn from those lessons and like, actually see like the

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power that comes from Saturn.

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Speaker 1: How did your Saturn return go as a naturally Saturnian person.

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Speaker 2: I feel like mine was easier for that reason, Like,

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and because you know it's in Aquarius, like in it's

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a mistyle and you know, It really was pretty expansive

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for me, Like I moved to LA, I met my husband,

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I found astrology, but at the same time I was

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super frustrated, you know, in my corporate job actually stopped

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being in neat because it was in my sixth house. Yeah,

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so there were these these things that came up, but

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it wasn't as tough as those who had Saturn and Pisces,

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which I think they really had it rough. Yeah, Like

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mine was more productive in that way too, one hundred percent.

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Like I also met my husband, wrote my first book,

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Like things like I wanted to have happened for a

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while finally got solidified. Yes, totally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like I wanted to talk about the

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pivot of when you decided to take astrology more seriously,

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like you went through this intense learning period in your

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Saturn return, which was started twenty twenty one but really

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picked up twenty twenty two, like we talked about. Yeah,

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then you mentioned to me, which I thought was so cool,

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you went to do a short astrology course at Oxford

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University in the UK. Yeah. Yeah, how I had found

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that like same program when you brought it up, I

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was like, wait, I follow them on Instagram. I had

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thought about doing it, but I never found the time. Yeah,

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is that how you found them? On Instagram?

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Speaker 2: Literally on Instagram? I follow the Faculty School of Astrology

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and they're the ones who host the course at Oxford,

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and I saw it on my Instagram and I was like,

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I think I'm just going to sign up for this.

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I love that, Yeah, because it was like after I

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had left my corporate tech job and to your point,

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like it took me a long time to find astrology community, astrology.

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Speaker 1: Friends, and I don't know why.

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to England to do that, even though I live in

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Los Angeles, which is like arguably the astrology capital. But

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really incredible. There were people there from like I think

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over thirty differents.

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at spatial awareness like that, but I think it was

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like over one hundred. And there were just super diverse

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age wise.

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are full time practices or they're just getting into it.

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But it was a really amazing way to open up

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my eyes to like the world of astrology and how

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like vast this practice really is and how prominent it

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is around the globe.

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Speaker 1: How many weeks was this course?

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The dogs were so beautiful, Like I felt like I

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was in Harry Potter and we're like literally just learning

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about astrology, and like this is literally wizardery, like as

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close as I can get. So like you checked in

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first day and then it's like you wake up the

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next morning it's like all day courses in astrology type

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of thing. Yeah, you're literally just taking classes from like

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the best astrologers in the world. Like I mean, I,

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you know, learned from Darby Costello, who's like someone who

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I really respect. Laurence Hillman was an incredible teacher at

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at Oxford. His classes were like particularly interesting for me

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because his approach is very archetypal, so very similar to

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like ifs and parts work. He like takes every planet

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and gives it an archetype and this really helps us

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like understand, Okay, what archetypes am I really leading with?

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Which ones do I kind of hide? And I loved

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his approach. He's actually kind of like an astrology nepo baby,

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which is kind of cool. Like his dad was James

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Hillman and who really founded.

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Speaker 1: Like archetypal psychology.

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Speaker 2: Cool, so it was really cool and to be able.

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was my jam.

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Speaker 1: So that was like the main theme across all the

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astrologers teaching.

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cool to take a different array. But the ones I

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kind of gravitated more toward were the psychological what were.

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Speaker 1: Like specific names of the courses, like did you get

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like a whole list and you could select, Okay, I

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want to take this one this day type of thing.

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Speaker 2: They were like the most like the hardest decisions I've

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had to make, because it's like, how am I supposed

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to choose between like this psychological astrology class and this

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like relationship astrology class all about mercury, or like this

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class on aspects versus like this deep dive on chiron,

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like because they would be at the same time and

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I'd really have to choose, and sometimes I would like

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run between. Like I literally felt like Hermione, you know

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how she would like take two lass as I was,

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and like clone herself.

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Speaker 1: It was that was the vibe.

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Speaker 2: So it was just like a lot of really interesting

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topics and really incredible astrologers.

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Speaker 1: That's how I felt at Norwalk, which is like a

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shortened version of this. Have you been to like those

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astrology conferences like Norwalk? But I think I'm going to

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go to Iraqis We talked about this, Yeah, yeah, I

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think I don't think I can go. I really want

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to know, but I hold in so many directions because

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it was like all of these classes and you could

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only take one, or you could only take two or

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three a day, but there were like ten you want

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to take, it's impossible. And I found going to like

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some like I'm sure you felt this going to Oxford.

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I felt this going to Norwalk. I was introduced to

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different fields of astrology I never would have uncovered before,

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Like fertility astrology was a huge one. I did, oh my.

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Speaker 2: God, I need to learn about that.

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Speaker 1: Judith Hill taught those. And then I also like found

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myself drawn to like health astrology workshops found really like

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interesting techniques for like the relationship between the sun and

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Venus sun in Mars and compatibility like very niche like

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things on relationships or health. It was so cool.

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Speaker 2: It is so cool where you really are able to

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dive deep and like as someone so I have a

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Gemini moon in the ninth house, so like super just

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like curious, like give me more information.

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Speaker 1: I need to know everything. Yeah. And you so you're

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you post across a lot of social media platforms and

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you kind of blew up on TikTok for posting about

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your experience at this Oxford Astrology week long course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like Baby's first viral video.

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Speaker 1: It was like in Oxford, which was really.

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Speaker 2: Cool and I think like it just goes to show

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how many people do want more, you know, astrology education

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and like to be at a place like Oxford with

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the faculty school and all these incredible teachers. I think

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people were really interested in that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny.

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Speaker 2: The video was about this insight from a class I

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took with an astrologer named Gloria Rocca who it was

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about aspects and the video was like when you have

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two planets that are conjunct, it's like coffee and milk.

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It's like once you put the milk in the coffee,

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you can't take it out, you know. So I often

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feel like that as someone who has a few exact

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conjunct planets, like it's hard to decipher between them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, like with your Capricorn stellium, do you because

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I always say people I get this question a lot,

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like what does it mean that I have a stellium?

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Like does it just mean that one house is where

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my full focus is? And I'm always like you kind

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of have to break it apart and look at like

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what planets were all these other houses in your chart?

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And how are they bringing those topics of those other

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houses to where the stellium is placed? Yes, how do you?

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Because you have like sun conjunct Mars exactly.

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Speaker 2: I have yeah, Mars Kasimi, Oh my god, which is

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cool and Capricorn. So that's like something that is great

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because I actually don't have any fire in my chart,

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so to have Mars Kazimi it does help me like

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advocate for myself and bring more confidence into my chart,

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Like when I am kind of lacking in that element

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of fire, Mars is like really bringing it for me

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with my son.

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Speaker 1: So that actually like helps a lot.

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Speaker 2: I think, like, yeah, you really to zoom in on

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those stelliums and be like, okay, like what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have venus also.

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Speaker 2: Exactly conjunct mercury.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So there's like Sun in Mars and then a

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little bit further away it's Venus mercury.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, opposite, it's like Venus mercury as zero okay, and

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then yes, Sun and Mars at five. Oh they're all

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very close though, And then really yeah, okay, I love

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the Venus mercury. I feel like that's why you're good

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with coming up with quick social media content. Oh my god,

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thank you. You know that actually makes a lot of sense.

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I always like think about my Gemini mom with that.

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But you're so right, like Venus mercury is really helpful

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with that, helpful with writing, like helpful with just yeah,

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those quick hits.

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 2: But I think, yeah, in terms of social media, like

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it really is interesting because with astrology, like ideally you're like,

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you know, talking about every single aspect of an astrological topic,

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and you're talking for like ten minutes, and you know,

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like I recently did a workshop and it was like

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an hour long like that to me felt like Okay,

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I got it all out, but I'm like, okay, I'm on, TikTok,

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I gotta go one minute, like let's go. So it

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really is like tough to really cook things down like

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that when this is such like a symbolic like nuanced language.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like the further I got into being

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an astrologer, the less the short form social media content

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made sense, yes, because it was just like people would

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misunderstand what I was trying to say, and it's like

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I need to explain this in a podcast. Yeah, this

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whole sub stock article of workshop, Like you're really I'm

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not scratching the surface enough in a thirty second reel

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one hundred percent. And I think like the best thing

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about doing social media as an astrologer is when those

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people book readings and I get to actually go into

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their chart, go into the nuances for a whole hour,

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and then we get to like work together on a

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longer basis, and like that's when you really reap the

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benefits of astrology and it becomes less confusing because there

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are so many different messages out there and different points

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of view, and it's just a matter of like finding

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your astrologer who you really jive with and just kind

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of going deep there. I always find I get clients

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that share chart placements with me because I'm Leo Aquarius.

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Pisces is my big three, and it's like I'm always

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getting a lot of like Leo Aquarius placements and yeah,

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ICE's Virgo to like your Virgo rising. My ices is

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so drawn to the Virgo. Yeah, totally right.

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Speaker 2: I'm Virgo rising and my husband is a Pisces, so

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that makes sense Offices attraction.

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Speaker 1: Seriously. Wait, so going back to you had that video

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at Oxford Go viral. Yes, you were mentioning to me

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how that was a turning point mentally for you, with like,

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oh I could do this astrology thing as a full

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time job because you weren't doing it full time before

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this past summer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so okay, this was the situation. So I left

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my corporate job and I was like, let me pursue astrology.

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And it was really interesting because I left my corporate

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job as Jupiter was approaching. I med heaven, I'm like,

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all right, this fails like a good time, And I

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ended up meeting a founder of an astrology dating app

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like two weeks later. So I ended up working at

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that startup for a long time, which was great because

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I was like, oh, I was there head of astrology,

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like I was doing all this astrological work, but I

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wasn't necessarily focusing on my own practice during that time.

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And then comes the springtime of twenty twenty five, which

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is when Saturn and Neptune came together for the first

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time in aries, and that was squaring my Mercury and Venus.

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So oh my god, I'm kind of like spinning out.

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I'm like, what am I doing, you know, be an

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entrepreneur so hard.

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Speaker 1: I'm a Capricorn.

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Speaker 2: I'm like a great employee, Like I love having a boss,

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you know what I mean, Like I love like structure,

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and you know, it just felt like what's going on?

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And I was like, maybe I just go back to

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the corporate world. And at this point I had already

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signed up for the Oxford program, thank god, because as

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that was kind of going on, I was like in

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the interview stages with this other corporate job, and literally

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there was a new moon and Virgo. And this new

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moon in Virgo is interesting because it came right before

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a clip season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is when we had two new moons

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in Virgo weirdly, so like double impact in the Virgo house.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and as a Virgo rising, I was like watch

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the space kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Huge life change, shifts in direction.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, the nodes were exactly on my

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ascendant descendant access to the degree.

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Speaker 1: I love that you bring that up because out of

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the whole nodal transit of a house, the month or

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even like the few weeks it comes into direct contact

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with an angle or a planet is usually the most impactful.

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Speaker 2: It's so interesting because you think it's like, oh, is

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the lumination on my ascendant. It's like, yes, that's important,

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but the nodes being there is a huge, huge impact point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so there's this new moon in Virgo. Nodes were

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exactly on my ascendant descendant. And that was the day

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that video went viral. That was like the first time

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I ever went you know, quote unquote viral online and

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I got rejected from that corporate job and the same day.

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Speaker 1: This was a major sign.

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Speaker 2: It was a clear pull in one direction, right, it said.

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00:23:01,319 --> 00:23:03,079
And it's interesting because the south note was on my

477
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,359
Virgo assentate, so it was like, let go of this fear,

478
00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:08,799
let go of the need to have everything figured out.

479
00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:11,400
Right as Virgo loves to have the plan, It's like,

480
00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:14,079
it is okay not to have a plan, and like

481
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,559
go toward more of these spiritual pursuits. Right with that

482
00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:20,279
North node in Pisces, and that was a clear nod

483
00:23:20,279 --> 00:23:22,599
from the universe. I just had an amazing week at

484
00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:26,640
Oxford and beating all these astrologers and this video goes

485
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,799
viral and I get rejected from the corporate world and

486
00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:32,279
I said, okay, I see you. I got it, And

487
00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:35,359
that's when I decided to go for it. So pretty recently,

488
00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:36,160
Oh my god.

489
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Speaker 1: Also, just you're in us making its way into Gemini,

490
00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:42,759
your tenth house, like now, it's only just beginning there.

491
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,640
I can't imagine what's to come for you in your career,

492
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,359
like all the changes because I became an astrologer full time.

493
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,759
When you're in a enter my tenth house, get out.

494
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,839
It first started to go in twenty eighteen. That was

495
00:23:54,839 --> 00:23:56,759
when the initial injurs came up, and then when it

496
00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:59,680
re entered in twenty nineteen after it's retrograde, that's when

497
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I quit entirely and took this full time Oh my god.

498
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 2: And that makes so much sense because yeah, we're you're

499
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,079
leoising them for arising.

500
00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: So I'm just like getting the eight years later. Yeah,

501
00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:12,839
I get like a transit's a little ahead of you. Yeah.

502
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,440
But it was interesting because it's like I stayed in

503
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,799
astrologer that whole eight year period. Urinus was in the tenth,

504
00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:20,359
but it was like the trajectory of that career and

505
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,960
what I was doing day to day changed so much

506
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,640
like every single year totally. And I find that that's

507
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,079
going to be the case for me a lot with

508
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,160
things changing, and I think I just need just really

509
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,079
opening myself up to change as a very earthy person.

510
00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: That's been like a big lesson for me.

511
00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

512
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

513
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Speaker 1: So you like, as part of your astrology business, I

514
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,119
want to talk about like how you structure your business

515
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,440
and like the many facets of your work that you have.

516
00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:51,400
You give readings to people obviously and do like kind

517
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,200
of this like mentoring or coaching, like ongoing looking at

518
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,480
their chart. What else do you do as part of

519
00:24:57,519 --> 00:24:58,559
your astrology business?

520
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the astrology business, fourth house, astrology, one on

521
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,759
one readings, coaching, longer term support. I'm really focused on,

522
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,559
like Saturn return support right now, So like for people

523
00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:12,279
who are going through their Saturn return and going through

524
00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:15,160
these tough times, like being able to give them longer

525
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,480
term support, which has been amazing. And then I do

526
00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:24,000
also work for this really interesting startup called Laura.

527
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about that.

528
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's it's been really great having both of

529
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,400
these things as GEM and I'm at Heaven.

530
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,759
Speaker 1: I feel like I always had to have two things going. Yeah,

531
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:37,640
you have to have many different identities in your career.

532
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: And it's hard because the Virgo rising is like stay

533
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,079
the course, you know, the Capricorn is like what's happening?

534
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,720
We had a plan, but I just, you know, I

535
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:49,200
gotta be doing a couple things at once. And Laura

536
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,240
is amazing. This is incredible women run New York based startup.

537
00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:58,319
The former chief product officer of Hinge, Michelle Parsons, she

538
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,759
started this company and she had like a really life

539
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:04,519
changing experience with astrology, and you know, she's like, let's

540
00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:06,640
bring this to more people, Let's make this more accessible.

541
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,440
And what's really amazing is that you know, they're starting

542
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,799
this kind of like self discovery app platform and it

543
00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:18,400
hasn't you know, we haven't built it yet. It should

544
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,480
come toward the end of the summer. But really, I mean,

545
00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:24,200
it's about being able to more deeply connect with yourself

546
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,160
and then the people who are closest to you in

547
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,119
your life. So right now we're just building our community

548
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,799
of people who are wont to do this work. We

549
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,319
have over one hundred thousand people on a wait list,

550
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,720
We have over ten thousand people in a discord who

551
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:42,160
are just You're talking about astrology all day, like it's amazing.

552
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,079
Speaker 1: So is this an app or a website you go

553
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,599
to and you get services from. Is it just astrologers

554
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,519
or all types of spiritual practitioners?

555
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the really cool thing about this platform is

556
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,599
that our marketplace is like a huge part of it,

557
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,400
and it's a marketplace of astrologers, terror reader's, psychics, human

558
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,920
design experts, akashak records experts. So you can really book

559
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,920
any kind of spiritual practitioner through Laura right now. It's

560
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,839
on a website and we are actually you know, people

561
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,640
can apply it to be practitioners, which is really amazing.

562
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,319
I just love to be able to give spiritual practitioners

563
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,759
like more of a presence, more of a platform, and

564
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,319
you can book that now on your web on our website,

565
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,799
but it will eventually be bookable and the app, which

566
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:29,440
is going to be really cool because I feel like

567
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,680
it'll be a cool companion to your readings and being

568
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,920
able to actually integrate your learnings on an everyday basis.

569
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,160
I love that, you know, because sometimes they feel like

570
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,519
people get readings and then it's like in one you're

571
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at the other.

572
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: And it's like here what you want to hear?

573
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like let's like remember remember our lessons at

574
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,160
the timing and all of that. So I feel like

575
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,480
it's a really cool way to integrate astrology into like

576
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,680
everyday spirituality, you know. Yeah.

577
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Speaker 1: My friend Maxine Twig who you're connected with, Yes, I

578
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,119
love Vaccine, like trying to get her astrology business up

579
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,680
and running and that's been super helpful for her. She

580
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,160
taught a workshop for you guys last week. Oh my god,

581
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:06,680
she killed it.

582
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,039
Speaker 2: Vaccine did like a whole year ahead workshop for everyone,

583
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,559
so like the astrological New Year. So we have a

584
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:17,720
really great community and really great community of practitioners and

585
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,839
it's just like so nice to be in this group

586
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,440
of people who are into astrology and are into their

587
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,519
spirituality and want to grow in that way.

588
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: So in addition to your own thing, you're working to

589
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,480
build this too. Ayes side.

590
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, working as their head of astrology, which is so

591
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:35,160
cool because like for a tech company startup to like

592
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,680
as one of their first hires to actually be an

593
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,920
astrologer speaks volumes and they really do like center the

594
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,039
people who are doing this work, which is really cool.

595
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: And you come from a tech background, I did you

596
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:48,079
were a snapshot?

597
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was in the tech world and that really,

598
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,559
honestly is the perfect kind of way to get into

599
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:59,079
this because it gives me this extra like kind of

600
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:01,079
scale set beyond just astrology.

601
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,799
Speaker 1: So to be able to work.

602
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,039
Speaker 2: At a startup and like understand how apps work and

603
00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:06,480
all of that, it's really cool.

604
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is I need to check this out. I'm

605
00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:11,799
just like recommend it to people because I feel like

606
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:13,400
so many people are kind of like, how do I

607
00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:16,720
make this into a business. Totally nice that you're giving

608
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:18,279
them a place one hundred percent.

609
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, get Laura on Instagram and then our website,

610
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,559
get Laura so oh yeah lr lrive and if you

611
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:27,160
can't find it, just reach out to me and DM

612
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,559
me and I'll get you. I'll get you on Laura.

613
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: Okay, now I want to pivot to the elephant in

614
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:38,279
the room. Two elephants. Yeah, yeah, we are both pregnant

615
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:41,440
at the same time. Yeah, which is crazy because when

616
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,920
we first met each other back in October twenty twenty five,

617
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,079
I think I had mentioned like, yeah, I'm going to

618
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,000
start trying to get pregnant soon, that's like what I'm

619
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:52,519
really wanting for twenty twenty six, and I think you

620
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,519
were still undecided. But I took one look at your

621
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:55,799
chart and I was like, I think you're going to

622
00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:56,480
be pregnant too.

623
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: It was so funny because I've always known that I

624
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,759
wanted to have kids and a mom, but I just,

625
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,039
you know, I hadn't started trying yet, and I feel

626
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:05,480
like twenty twenty six was like when I was going

627
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to start trying. And in my mind, I mean, I

628
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,519
was like, this is could take a year, like this

629
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:12,759
could take a long time, you know, And I'm like

630
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,359
totally aware of that. And you took one look at

631
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:16,880
my chart and you're like, you're going to get pregnant

632
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,440
in January and you're going to tell everyone at March.

633
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:22,400
I was like, outice that's impossible. I hadn't even started trying.

634
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,920
I was like, there's no way that's going to happen,

635
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,079
and and you were.

636
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: Like, no, it's going to happen. Like I want to

637
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,319
do a podcast. We're going to talk about being pregnant together.

638
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:30,839
I was like, what are you saying?

639
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: And then literally it was it was my premonition. No,

640
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:36,480
you are just an expert at what you do. It

641
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:37,240
was amazing.

642
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of amazed at how close were we

643
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,440
ended up being in those pregnancy Like you were do

644
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:46,119
eleven days after me. Yeah, we're both having virgo girls.

645
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,039
It's crazy.

646
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,279
Speaker 2: I feel like they're like twins in another lifetime or something.

647
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wanted to talk a little about a bit

648
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:59,240
about that, like the timing of when you decided you

649
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,200
were ready to have this major life shift, because I

650
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,440
know for me, it was something that had been in

651
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,759
the back of my mind for the last couple of years.

652
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:10,680
I'd say since more seriously maybe since the end of

653
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,480
twenty twenty three into twenty twenty four. But it wasn't

654
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:16,160
like the time is now, and I was kind of

655
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,880
waiting for that moment to appear where it was like

656
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,039
the time is now, like, I'm not scared anymore. I

657
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:23,160
want to do this, And that really came for me

658
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:27,680
at the September twenty twenty five Pisce's lunar eclipse, which

659
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,880
was like I think it was within three degrees of

660
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,000
my Pisce's moon. So having that eclipse on the moon

661
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,200
really brought up this desire to make a change and

662
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:41,359
become a mom. Was it what went on for you?

663
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting because similarly for me, in December,

664
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:51,759
I had a full moon exactly on my moon. There

665
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:54,720
was a full moon at thirteen degrees DM I same degree, yes,

666
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,920
And that was literally well, backing up a little bit

667
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,960
because I'm a vergorizing, everything is very like health conscious,

668
00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:04,440
so I basically was like detoxing for all of twenty

669
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,640
twenty five with a functional medicine doctor to prepare for pregnancy,

670
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,279
off birth control and all of that. So I'd been

671
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:14,839
doing like all these crazy herbs and you know, cutting

672
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:18,279
out all these crazy foods and really just detoxing and

673
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:23,119
cleaning out my body. And then it wasn't until December

674
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,880
of that full moon. I said to my doctor, I

675
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,960
was like, okay, like let's switch over the plan, Like

676
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,799
let's go to like the prenatals. Let's like I'm going

677
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:33,640
to I'm gonna start trying at the end of this month,

678
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,440
like I'm ready to go. And it was that full moon.

679
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:41,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that led into like I think the new

680
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,200
moon in your fifth house that came up when you

681
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,079
like actually were finding out was that around the time

682
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:50,200
the new moon was a little after but yes, fifth

683
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,279
house activations were really key for you right now.

684
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: Yes, well, so it was the Mars Kasimi, yes, with Capricorn,

685
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,720
and the full sign was my fifth house. So yes,

686
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:04,480
that was the repeat. It was when I found out

687
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,559
it was a Virgo moon, which is my sentien.

688
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,079
Speaker 1: And then we had we had that triple Kasimi.

689
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,519
Speaker 2: It was like Venus Mars with the sun and this

690
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:13,799
is what.

691
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:15,799
Speaker 1: I was looking at when we met in October for

692
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:18,039
the first time and we were like, don't really see that.

693
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:22,759
I was like, No, Jupiter's in cancer in late December January.

694
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,880
All these planets are going to move into Capricorn in

695
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,640
your fifth house and conjunct all of these natal planets

696
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,359
and be amplified by Jupiter. Like that is the moment.

697
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: It's just so wild because like my like practical brain

698
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,279
was like no, no, like that's too soon, like it

699
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:41,200
couldn't be, like you know. And the crazy thing about

700
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,440
that kazimi was that the last time there was a

701
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:48,880
Mars Kasimi in Capricorn was when I was born.

702
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,559
Speaker 1: Whoa, So it was a repeat that took thirty two years. Yes,

703
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:54,720
oh my god.

704
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there are Mars kazimis once every two years,

705
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,000
but the last time it was in Capricorn was literally

706
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:00,920
nineteen ninety three.

707
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,799
Speaker 1: It was this repeat at the same degree marker two.

708
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't the same degree mine's at five, and I

709
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,679
think it was at like seventeen years, okay, so like

710
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,320
very significant though, yeah, oh my god, it was like

711
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:16,239
it's it was a really interesting repeat. And to see

712
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,159
that repetition from thirty two years was wild and for me,

713
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,039
like being born to then like finding out I'm going

714
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:23,760
to be a mom.

715
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: Really so wild. Yeah, I would say, yeah, the moon,

716
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,360
the ascendant in the fifth house are like all of

717
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,000
those were key in your timing mine too, Like those

718
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:37,360
parts of the chart are just so important when it

719
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,599
comes to pregnancy and the identity shift that comes up

720
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:41,920
at this time. M hm.

721
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: And that's well, and also our solar returns for this year.

722
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,559
Speaker 1: We both have moon on the mid hoven on the

723
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:51,320
mid heaven, and I always say moon on the ascendant

724
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,559
or moon on the mid heaven or moon in the

725
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:55,440
fifth House like fifth house planet's and a solar return

726
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,800
would also indicate. But moon on the ascendant or mid

727
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,239
heaven is something's happening with like a shift in how

728
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,480
you're perceived literally being seen as a maternal like figure.

729
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:09,679
I would also say, like body going through changes to

730
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,840
like fluctuating appearance as you gain weight and like step

731
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,920
into this pregnant body. Oh my god. Totally yeah, totally,

732
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,400
it's so crazy. It really is. It really is. And

733
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,719
we both found out two like right around the time

734
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,280
of our solar returns.

735
00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: Literally right around that time. I mean I think it

736
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,360
was like a week after my birth there or something

737
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,079
two weeks after.

738
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,559
Speaker 1: My birth, yeah, and I found out like a month

739
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:32,559
before my birthday.

740
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was like really like the prominent on

741
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,199
those solar return themes they were going into effect. Yeah.

742
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,800
And I also think it's interesting that Uranus is heading

743
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,920
toward my mid heaven too, when you know our due

744
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,039
dates are, and that really just kind of change changes

745
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:51,880
my purpose. I think it'll change my practice a lot

746
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,519
in my career, Like right now, I love working with

747
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:57,159
people going through their sad in return, and I always will,

748
00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:00,840
but it's like, who knows how becoming a mom will impact,

749
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:04,440
you know, my personal practice with Fourthhouse Astrology and really

750
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,880
like supporting moms in that way, And that's what I'm

751
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,679
most excited for because I feel like a lot of

752
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:14,000
my astrology practice is guided by like my current interests

753
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,760
and changes I'm going through in my own life. So

754
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:18,559
I was kind of like, I want a bigger shake

755
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:22,360
up to happen, and I feel like it'll open up

756
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,400
all these different interests that come about as a result.

757
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:27,400
Like I'm so excited to talk more about like the

758
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,880
astrology of pregnancy than being an actual mom, And because

759
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,480
I get so many questions about this and I'm like,

760
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,840
I can't, like I can help you, but I don't

761
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,960
have that direct experience with it yet. Yes, there's something

762
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,159
about the life experience. And also from my perspective, I

763
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,880
cannot wait to now see the family dynamics and how

764
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:48,400
you know, mine and my husband's astrology feed into this

765
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,119
new person.

766
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,039
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see the rising sign, like what

767
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:56,079
the moon sign ends up being. It's going to be

768
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:57,360
so interesting.

769
00:36:57,039 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: I know, and it's going to be really hard not

770
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,239
to like judge it. Like, you know, I was looking

771
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,639
and seeing around my du date. It's like, oh, you know,

772
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:09,760
there's a libramon that's around that time opposing Saturn. I

773
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,559
don't want her to have Moon imposing Saturn, like you know,

774
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:14,880
and it's like, okay, you know, not everything's about me.

775
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:17,519
Speaker 1: But so it's like whatever is meant to be will be.

776
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: But as an astrologer, we're you know, we're just like

777
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,920
so attuned to like what these placements can mean and

778
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,679
not like judging that it is important.

779
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but I was going to say, like the

780
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,159
same how you were having this major repeat transit at

781
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,840
the time that you found out you were pregnant, Like

782
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,880
I have major repeat transits at the time of giving birth,

783
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,159
oh around your due date. Yeah, yes, Like I think

784
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,960
I have Jupiter trying Saturn in my chart. Uh right

785
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,039
at the exactly due date. Jupiter is trying Saturn, and

786
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,360
I also have a couple others. I'm going to go

787
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,480
through it because it's just so interesting. I have Sun

788
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,360
conjunct Mercury in my chart, like with Mercury just one

789
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,840
degree ahead of the sun. Yep, that's going on at

790
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,199
the do date. Wow. And then also right around the

791
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,800
due date is moon and Pisces at eleven degrees, trying

792
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,159
Mars and cancer at eleven degrees, and I have that

793
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,239
same exact degree and trying in those signs in my chart.

794
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,639
Speaker 2: Like I just like I have chills thinking about that,

795
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,039
Like it's such an incredible connection point.

796
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just shows it's like it's not random,

797
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:21,960
like these bigger shifts that go on in your life.

798
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,320
It's it all happens like when it's meant to. It

799
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:25,920
really is.

800
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: And I think like that's the biggest thing that I

801
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,079
see with my clients. It's like wanting to find their

802
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:32,920
love or wanting to get the thing or you know,

803
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,320
you know, and just feeling like they're behind. It's like

804
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:37,960
the one thing that astrology has taught me, it's like.

805
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: You're never behind. You're never behind. And also you never

806
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,440
took a wrong turn. That's what I would say, Like

807
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,480
people beating themselves up, like oh I kind of messed

808
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:50,480
up that transit. I should have done that. I'm like, no,

809
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:52,599
you actually didn't. It was meant to play out like that.

810
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,679
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think that's why, like for me, the

811
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,400
reflection points of astrology are the most important. Like just

812
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:03,880
living your transit is one thing, but then like journaling

813
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,639
about it, talking about it, you know, really reflecting on

814
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:09,039
what that is, because that's how you reap the benefits

815
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:11,360
of these transits. And like the idea of like you know,

816
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,039
life's happening, you know, not to you, but for you,

817
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,599
and like really owning those moments I think is the

818
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:21,679
most important thing. But those kind of like when you

819
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,280
see those exact degree moments, that's what kills me because

820
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,719
it's like there's three hundred and sixty degrees in an

821
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,719
atle chart and for there to be two planets making

822
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,280
an exact like in the same signs and the same

823
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,000
degree like.

824
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: That you have in your birth chart, repeating randomly again.

825
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,639
Speaker 2: Like this is magic, it's so cool. And I similarly

826
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,760
around my du date, so my ascendant point is eighteen

827
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,719
degrees of Virgo, and three days before my do date,

828
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,639
there's a new moon at eighteen degrees of Virgo.

829
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,079
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I want to talk about this because I

830
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,920
also have another example too of just people giving birth

831
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:02,880
right after own new moon in their sign of their rising.

832
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:07,360
So I'm giving birth a couple weeks after a solar

833
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,320
eclipse in Leo, which is about six degrees away from

834
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,760
my fourteen degree Leo rising. You're giving birth right after

835
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:18,079
a new moon in your rising sign. Just had someone

836
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:21,400
yesterday tell me they're pregnant. They're a Scorpio rising. Their

837
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,119
due dates right after a Scorpio new moon. Oh my god,

838
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,519
my mom gave birth to me. She's an Aquarius rising

839
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:29,639
a couple of days after a new moon and Aquarius.

840
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,239
It's very common, and I think it's all tied into

841
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,320
like this is a major shift in like how you

842
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,719
think about yourself and your priorities and how you're seen

843
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,719
by the world. It's a total like shake up to

844
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,480
your identity.

845
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: Yes, that's why the ascendant is so important, and it

846
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:49,320
can really mean so many things because like it is

847
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,599
your identity, so like anything can be shifting about your identity,

848
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:56,679
your job, your career, your relationship, you know, becoming a mom,

849
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,000
all these things. And that's why the ascendant I always

850
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:01,920
I just think any transits to that are like the

851
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,719
most important.

852
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm so excited to have Jupiter and the

853
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,599
eclipses in my ascendant sign. As you're I'm just going

854
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:11,440
to be so nice and I'm like always known that

855
00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:13,920
something major like this would come up at this time.

856
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,440
Like it's just it's a total shake up.

857
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, completely, and in like such a positive way too.

858
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean.

859
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:24,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just like really owning who you are and

860
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,320
your confidence and I feel like you coming out of

861
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,880
the Twelfth House. Oh my god, I've hit it. I

862
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,960
know when I'm about to go into right now, which

863
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:33,719
is so crazy.

864
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm curious because I've had Twelfth House Jupiter during pregnancy,

865
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:40,760
and this has felt like a twelve House time. Like

866
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,280
I was very sick during the first trimester. I was

867
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,320
very isolated because I was so sick, Whereas like you

868
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,519
didn't have that rough of a time because you didn't

869
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:51,320
have the Twelfth House transit. Yeah, but you're going to

870
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,960
have it postpartum, right, and I'm not. So it's interesting

871
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:57,119
how like that is a common transit I see, like

872
00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:00,320
Jupiter through the twelfth for these postpartum order and pregnant See,

873
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,440
I'm excited to trade notes on like how you experience

874
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,039
it differently versus like how I did.

875
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: Totally, and like when I saw that, I was like, oh,

876
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,039
that makes perfect sense. I'm going to be a hermit

877
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:13,079
and like literally, my body's going to be in shambles.

878
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:16,639
Speaker 1: Like yeah, you got it. We don't need astrology to.

879
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,679
Speaker 2: Tell us that, but that you know again, and it

880
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,280
kind of hopefully will make it a bit better, just

881
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,000
like knowing that like this is the moment, this is

882
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:29,159
the transit. It lasts one year. Yeah, and like what

883
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,039
can I learn from this?

884
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,679
Speaker 1: You know, I will say, like my mental health, even

885
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:35,079
though I've had those feelings of isolation, like with Jupiter

886
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:37,360
in the twelfth, my mental health has been a lot better.

887
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:39,760
It like brings this optimism to mental health.

888
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, that makes a lot of sense. And like

889
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,239
I think, like with Jupiter, you know, being associated with

890
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,760
you know, things like philosophy and religion, and with the

891
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,880
twelve House being this like spiritual place, Like I feel

892
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,960
like while there is that shadow of like you know,

893
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:57,719
the focus on mental health and being in more solitude

894
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,480
or maybe not feeling well, there are kind of those

895
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:04,920
gifts of connection to spirituality and.

896
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: Like the greater purpose and like the bigger, the bigger picture.

897
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so that's what I hope at least

898
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,280
I feel like with these transits, it's always helpful to

899
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,119
be like Okay, this is going to be the challenge,

900
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:19,360
and then this is going to be what's going to

901
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,719
get me through it, you know. And it's not about

902
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,400
like bypassing the challenge, right like I'm going to be

903
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:27,880
in it and feeling it and acknowledging it. But in

904
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,119
those moments when I just get to look at my

905
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:31,920
astrology or look at my chart, it's like that great

906
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,679
reminder of like, oh right, like let me do a

907
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,400
meditation or like you know what I mean, let me

908
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,920
like see if I can get like a cranio sacrole session.

909
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and maybe like giving birth like that

910
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:45,480
is something that feels very spiritual to you and opens

911
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,159
you up to a bigger connection definitely, where like I've

912
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,280
naturally noticed it just being pregnant, like I feel connected

913
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,840
to something like inside like the little soul inside me.

914
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well you know I'm a huge fan of

915
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:58,599
Spirit Babies.

916
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that book. I mean, I cannot recommend this enough.

917
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: Like if you are trying to conceive, get yourself a

918
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:06,719
copy of Spirit Babies.

919
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm like so into it. I see a Spirit of

920
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,440
Baby Psychic and she's coming on this podcast a few

921
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,519
way software this comes out, So oh I can't wait

922
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:17,760
for stay tuned for an amazing episode. I can't wait.

923
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,559
Speaker 2: But it's true like these like you know, there are

924
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:23,400
these great ways to connect with the spirit that will

925
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,840
be your baby, and it's it really does make you

926
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,639
feel powerful and connected in that way.

927
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I wanted to, like lastly talk about how

928
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:36,840
because a big fear of mine going into pregnancy was like,

929
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,519
how am I going to still run my own business

930
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,199
while being a mom. Have you had those same fears,

931
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,679
like what are how are you preparing for like splitting

932
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,559
your time in that way or even taking like a

933
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:47,440
maternity leave.

934
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I don't know.

935
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still something where I'm like, we're gonna play

936
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,280
this right year. I'm going to try to batch like

937
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,480
two to three months of content, Yeah, just so I

938
00:44:57,639 --> 00:44:59,880
don't have to be doing stuff if I don't fe

939
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:02,800
like it. But it's kind of scary to step away.

940
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's not scary to step away, especially like

941
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,679
you know, being very Saturnian in that way, I always

942
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,480
wanting to be productive and always feeling like I should

943
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,320
be doing this or I should be doing that. But

944
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,960
I just know that this time is so brief, and

945
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,679
like my connection with this baby is literally the only

946
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,119
thing that matters to me, and I'm just like nothing

947
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:27,159
will get in my way of that. I feel like

948
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:29,000
that's very much like my mars because me being like,

949
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:32,440
oh no, I have like this intense need and like

950
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,079
I'm that's going to be my biggest priority. But I think,

951
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:37,760
you know, hopefully my gem and I'm mid Heaven and

952
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,159
Moon kind of helps me balance some things in terms

953
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:42,159
of like making content.

954
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, if I can FaceTime a friend, i can

955
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,360
make a TikTok. That's my point of view, So I'll

956
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:48,840
see if.

957
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,599
Speaker 2: That's really they I think like I'm not holding onto

958
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:56,920
anything too tightly, you know, and I think being able

959
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:02,360
to rest is incredibly important. We both have really supportive partners,

960
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,480
which is incredible. Like yeah, I mean my husband literally

961
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,760
his birthday was in March, and like it was like

962
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:08,920
months ago, asked, Hi'm like, what do.

963
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: You want for your birthday? He's like a baby.

964
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,519
Speaker 2: He's like, that's like all he wants is a baby.

965
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:14,280
So I feel like he's going to be super into

966
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,800
it too, and hopefully, you know, as much as a

967
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:17,440
man can help.

968
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you can plan for it being one way,

969
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,719
but until you're in it. It's kind of just like

970
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,360
see play up by a year almost. Yeah, have the

971
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,760
structures in place, but then I feel like my mindset

972
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:33,920
and my priorities will shift naturally completely.

973
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: And I also think right especially with my yarness, you know,

974
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:38,840
heading over the mid Heaven, I'm like things are changing,

975
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,960
purpose is changing, and I feel like with September du dates,

976
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,960
it's like I kind of guarant towards the holidays at

977
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,760
that point, Like I feel like it's kind of a

978
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,840
good time of year to like slow down.

979
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: We're also building up to a Mars retrograde. Mm hmm,

980
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,800
I'm not going to get that much done during a

981
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,400
Mars retrograde. Yeah, Like, once that retrograde ends in the

982
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,480
spring of twenty twenty seven, I feel I'll have so

983
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:04,119
many new ideas for my business, and hopefully eight months

984
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:08,239
out after giving birth, hopefully it's like, Okay, I'm kind

985
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,320
of used to this now, and now I have more

986
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,079
attention to put back into my career by starting up

987
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:15,400
new like ventures again.

988
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred and I think just like sometimes the

989
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:23,559
best ideas really do come in times of rest and

990
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,239
just like reflection and not doing all of the things.

991
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:29,880
So I do feel like, hopefully we're going to take

992
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,159
this time and do what we can and like on

993
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,440
the other side of it, like come out of it

994
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:36,159
with like a totally new perspective.

995
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and like new new like wind beneath

996
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:41,800
our wings or whatever.

997
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: You know, Like there's going to be like a really

998
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,519
big purpose for Rest, like get out there and keep

999
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:47,920
doing it.

1000
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: We're going to come out of the Mars retrograde more

1001
00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:52,599
sure of ourselves, I think. So it's a first house

1002
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:54,840
retrograde for both of us. Yeah, it's going to be.

1003
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 2: I mean, Mars retrograde is never easy for me, but

1004
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,920
it's definitely going to be a rough one.

1005
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,519
Speaker 1: But hopefully it's just.

1006
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: About how my reflection and it's like it's okay, it's

1007
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:08,320
okay if you don't get anything done, but just surviving

1008
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,320
the day, you know, one other thing, Like you would

1009
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,159
kept mentioning Urinus moving into like your mid heaven sign.

1010
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,119
Speaker 1: I have Pluto squaring my mid heaven at this time,

1011
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:21,599
so it's like we both have these huge outer planet transits.

1012
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:26,920
Oh yeah, totally changing up like life, purpose, identity status

1013
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,360
in the world.

1014
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god. The squares cannot be undervalued. And when

1015
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,800
I left the corporate world. Saturn was squaring my mid

1016
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,039
heaven as well.

1017
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:37,639
Speaker 1: The squares, because it's like Pluto will never reach my

1018
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,639
mid heaven in my lifetime. Neptune will. But it's like

1019
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:45,119
sometimes you don't get the outer planet's conjunct like an angle,

1020
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,480
but they'll be square at one of those angles at

1021
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:49,840
some point. So that's also important to pay attention to.

1022
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:52,639
Speaker 2: Oh completely, I'm so happy you're getting Pluto on the

1023
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:54,360
descendant before me because you can tell.

1024
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,199
Speaker 1: Me how it goes. Oh my god, I will.

1025
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pluto is always this that's that one kind of scary.

1026
00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:03,559
Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of Pluto in the next few years. Yeah,

1027
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:06,440
but you got this. Yeah. Well, it's so good to

1028
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:08,880
have you on. This was like an amazing conversation. I'm

1029
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:09,800
love talking to you.

1030
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: I can talk to you for hours, honestly literally, No,

1031
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:13,679
it's my favorite.

1032
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you so much. Yeah, where can people find

1033
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,960
you and like book you for reading and find your

1034
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:18,840
services all of that.

1035
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. So my website is fourth House astrology dot com

1036
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,719
and then my socials are all slightly Spiraling, so that's

1037
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:33,800
Instagram and TikTok and also substack, So slightly Spiraling loves reel.

1038
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,159
Get all the content and things.

1039
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll be sure link those the show notes too.

1040
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:39,480
Thank you so much, Yeah, thank you