Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host, Deb Bowen.
Speaker 2: And I'm Samantha Fay.
Speaker 1: We are so delighted that you have joined us this
Speaker 1: week for part two of our discussion about the Gateway Process.
Speaker 1: There was so much to talk about that we know you.
Speaker 1: We couldn't get it all in last week, and I
Speaker 1: bet that there were more questions you had, and we've
Speaker 1: got some answers maybe and some discussion to follow up
Speaker 1: on that for this week. So Samantha recap where we've
Speaker 1: been for them.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I do want to reiterate that I meant
Speaker 2: for this to be a one time and Deb was like, Samantha, girl,
Speaker 2: like what are you doing to us? Because there is
Speaker 2: so much in here. So just to recap what we
Speaker 2: are discussing is the declassified CIA report called Analysis and
Speaker 2: Assessment of the Gateway Process, which examined different methods for
Speaker 2: achieving altered states of consciousness and going out of the
Speaker 2: body and even remote viewing and accessing different dimensions and
Speaker 2: and it even talks about time travel and so much.
Speaker 2: So it's absolutely just a fascinating project to research. But
Speaker 2: we also thought it would be a really important thing
Speaker 2: to bring to you all because in my mind anyway,
Speaker 2: deb and you can tell me if you agree or disagree,
Speaker 2: I feel like this gives so much credence to meditation
Speaker 2: and the power of our mind and the magic that
Speaker 2: lies within our quote unquote and imagination.
Speaker 1: I agree with you wholeheartedly, Samantha. And you know one
Speaker 1: of the things that we as we were talking last week,
Speaker 1: and as my head was about to explode, and I said, wait,
Speaker 1: we got to stop because I need time to process
Speaker 1: where we are here with some of this information. I
Speaker 1: think that one of the gifts that this discussion gives
Speaker 1: us is the idea, once again reinforced that there's much
Speaker 1: more out there that we don't know about and that
Speaker 1: is available to us in some way and is going
Speaker 1: to be shown to us.
Speaker 2: I think, yes, I do too. And so we were
Speaker 2: talking last week about kind of the quantum physics behind
Speaker 2: how by nourmal beats and listening to different tones in
Speaker 2: both sides of your brain can help your brain to
Speaker 2: align and really work together to enhance these experiences. And
Speaker 2: then he was the writer of the report, was talking
Speaker 2: about all the different stages that you were guided to
Speaker 2: in the gateway process, which involves visualizing colors for healing,
Speaker 2: and taking that really cool ray of light, that wand
Speaker 2: of energy and spinning it to help create different goals
Speaker 2: that you're working on, but also portals, which I thought
Speaker 2: was really really cool. So you're taught how to use
Speaker 2: that bar of energy as a tool for enhancing your goals,
Speaker 2: for retrieving more energy for remote viewing, but you can
Speaker 2: also learn how to visualize spinning that wand of energy
Speaker 2: or that wand of light into a vortex through which
Speaker 2: you can then project your consciousness out into other dimensions.
Speaker 2: So from here, he says that if you make it
Speaker 2: this far in the program, you're then asked to move
Speaker 2: on to what's called Focused fifteen, and this is called
Speaker 2: travel into the past. Would you want to travel into
Speaker 2: the fast the past?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I think I would too. I think it
Speaker 2: would be really interesting. What about the future?
Speaker 1: M only if I was sure I could get back
Speaker 1: to now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly how I feel. So I think
Speaker 2: last week we talked a little bit about Focus fifteen.
Speaker 2: He said it was pretty difficult. About five percent of
Speaker 2: students in the Gateway Experience actually achieved that. But one
Speaker 2: thing I thought was interesting is he says you can
Speaker 2: use the Focus fifteen technique to not only visit your
Speaker 2: own past, but any aspect of the past from which
Speaker 2: to which you have no connection. And the last and
Speaker 2: most advanced stage of the program is called Focus twenty one,
Speaker 2: and it involves traveling into the future. And you know,
Speaker 2: he doesn't say a whole lot about this stage except
Speaker 2: to add that it's quote attainable only to those who
Speaker 2: have conditioned themselves through long application of meditation for a
Speaker 2: period of months, if not years. So I found that interesting.
Speaker 2: I guess a lot of what he was saying in
Speaker 2: that report, and what I've read about the Gateway experience
Speaker 2: or the Gateway process is that it really does involve
Speaker 2: you being able to realistically visualize whatever it is you're
Speaker 2: trying to do. Remember last week when we were talking
Speaker 2: about manifesting, and he was saying that if your left brain,
Speaker 2: your rational, reasoning, logical mind, cannot picture yourself achieving whatever
Speaker 2: your goal is, you know, if there's a part of
Speaker 2: your mind that's saying, hmm, that's a little too big
Speaker 2: for us, or I don't know if we're really ready
Speaker 2: for that promotion. He was saying, you're not going to
Speaker 2: manifest it. That it's got to be something that you
Speaker 2: actually believe in. And I wonder if it's hard for
Speaker 2: most people to project their consciousness into the future because
Speaker 2: we don't know what it looks like, and so your
Speaker 2: left brain is just going to block it out.
Speaker 1: I think that's true. And there, as you said, there
Speaker 1: are many reasons that we naysay on ourselves, and I
Speaker 1: think that's a big part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too, and I think it blocks us
Speaker 2: a lot. And that's why I believe working with meditation
Speaker 2: programs like this can be incredibly helpful. Now in regards
Speaker 2: to traveling out of the body, he says that certain
Speaker 2: states must be achieved. One, you have to get yourself
Speaker 2: into a profound state of relaxation so that the bifurcation
Speaker 2: echo fades and the resonance of seven herds is established.
Speaker 2: And if you remember, he talked a lot about how
Speaker 2: most of us have this bifurcation echo where just the rhythm,
Speaker 2: the natural rhythm in our body isn't even but when
Speaker 2: you meditate, or when you listen to these binaural beats,
Speaker 2: the hemi sync meditations, it helps that bifurcation echo to
Speaker 2: fade away and your resonance of the The motion in
Speaker 2: your body is now even an aligned with the resonance
Speaker 2: of the earth, which is also around seven hurts. The
Speaker 2: second thing you have to achieve is the two sides
Speaker 2: of your brain. Wave patterns must be synchronized, so your
Speaker 2: left and right brain have to be synchronized, and working
Speaker 2: with binural beats helps to do that. And then the
Speaker 2: third state that must be achieved is the right hemisphere.
Speaker 2: The right side of your brain must then be stimulated
Speaker 2: to achieve a state of alertness. So you have to
Speaker 2: reduce the left side of your brain, which is the
Speaker 2: hypervigilant filter that's always blocking out stuff that it doesn't
Speaker 2: agree with or doesn't resonate with your prior belief system.
Speaker 2: That has to be diminished, and then the right has
Speaker 2: to be amplified. Now he does add that we can
Speaker 2: achieve this state naturally through sleep, and I found that
Speaker 2: very validating for a lot of the stuff I mentioned
Speaker 2: in my first book, The Awake Dreamer, because I really
Speaker 2: believe that most of us are traveling out of the
Speaker 2: body when we sleep. You've had experiences with that, deb
Speaker 2: I've had experiences with that. We've heard from hundreds of
Speaker 2: listeners who have had what they feel is an out
Speaker 2: of body experience while they're sleeping. He points out that
Speaker 2: during rem sleep, the left hemisphere is almost totally disengaged,
Speaker 2: which allows the right hemisphere to have free rein to
Speaker 2: leave the body and go exploring. But he adds, because
Speaker 2: the left brain is so completely shut off, this also
Speaker 2: suppresses memory retention, meaning we wake up with no knowledge
Speaker 2: or memory of having traveled out of the body.
Speaker 1: Is that why when you wake up and you just
Speaker 1: start so clear about a dream that you've had, for example,
Speaker 1: and by the time you get out of bed and
Speaker 1: make it to the coffee pot, it's gone, yes, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that left brain, that left side of the
Speaker 2: brain is diminished, and it's not it's not a wake
Speaker 2: and alert to go ooh, time to go to work.
Speaker 2: We've got to file this into memory. We got to
Speaker 2: you know, shuck that it's not important. That's that's totally
Speaker 2: shut off. And that's why that hypnogogic state that you
Speaker 2: have between wake and sleep is so crucial for dream
Speaker 2: recall and more in, people who meditate more, or engage
Speaker 2: in creative outlets or practice day dreaming tend to have
Speaker 2: better dream recall and then of course, we know that
Speaker 2: just talking about your dreams, writing your dreams down, setting
Speaker 2: the intent to remember your dreams definitely does help.
Speaker 1: With this absolutely.
Speaker 2: Now he says this, This is a really interesting quote.
Speaker 2: He says, unlike yoga and other forms of Eastern mental discipline,
Speaker 2: Gateway does not require the infinite patience and total personal
Speaker 2: subservience too and faith in a system of discipline designed
Speaker 2: to absorb all the individual's energies over most of a lifetime.
Speaker 2: The speed with which an individual may expect to progress
Speaker 2: seems less a function of the number of hours spent
Speaker 2: practicing than it is a question of the speed with
Speaker 2: which he or she is able to use the insights
Speaker 2: gained to release anxieties and stresses within both the body
Speaker 2: and the mind. These points of energy blockage seem to
Speaker 2: provide the principal barriers to achieving the enhanced energy states
Speaker 2: and focus of mind needed for rapid progression. The more compulsive,
Speaker 2: the more uptight the individual, the more barriers he or
Speaker 2: she will encounter. So I think that's really important for
Speaker 2: everyone to hear. He's saying. You know, yoga and other
Speaker 2: forms of Eastern mental discipline are great, and they do work,
Speaker 2: but they require a lot of patients and a lot
Speaker 2: of surrendering to a faith and a form of discipline
Speaker 2: that's designed over a long, long, long long time to
Speaker 2: absorb any of your stresses and anxieties. Whereas this program
Speaker 2: is kind of you know, what did I tell you before?
Speaker 2: It was like a hack to being psychic?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah? You did? You know? As you were
Speaker 1: talking and explaining the Eastern thought in opposition to this process,
Speaker 1: I was seeing remember those those scenes we've certainly watched
Speaker 1: on videos and whatever of monks high up in the
Speaker 1: Himalayas lowering themselves into freezing water and steam comes off
Speaker 1: you other body, you know, and they're they're just fine,
Speaker 1: and they're in that altered state of being. It takes
Speaker 1: a long time to be able to do that.
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, it really really does, and this is
Speaker 2: a way to kind of bypass that. It also made
Speaker 2: me think about those stories we have through the years
Speaker 2: of people who had a head injury and were suddenly psychic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and it makes me wonder, did something happen
Speaker 2: in their brain where the right hemisphere is now more
Speaker 2: lit up than the left hemisphere and that's what allows
Speaker 2: them to have these psychic insights. And then the second
Speaker 2: part of his quote that I really wanted everyone to
Speaker 2: focus on is how the biggest blocks to this progression
Speaker 2: is anxiety and stress held within the body and the mind.
Speaker 2: I thought it was very significant that he said the
Speaker 2: body in the mind, because you can work on releasing
Speaker 2: anxiety and stress from your mind, but often it gets
Speaker 2: trapped in the body and you have to pay attention.
Speaker 2: You have to pay attention to where you hold stress
Speaker 2: in your body and where is that actually originating from?
Speaker 2: Deb and I have talked to the years. If you
Speaker 2: have a pain in your neck, well, who's being a
Speaker 2: pain in your neck right now? If you have a
Speaker 2: shoulder issue, who are you carrying in life right now?
Speaker 2: If you have a hip issue, what next stage of
Speaker 2: your life are you resistant to walk into? So you
Speaker 2: always have to look to the body and think, what
Speaker 2: are you trying to tell me? What am I suppressing
Speaker 2: in my subconscious that I don't even know is blocking me?
Speaker 2: And then of course anxieties and stressors within our mind
Speaker 2: we have to work on with a variety of tools, journaling, therapy, exercise, sunlight,
Speaker 2: raising our vibrations, healing the inner child, working to really
Speaker 2: focus on self love and surrender and trust, trusting in
Speaker 2: the universe and trusting that all the good the universe
Speaker 2: is trying to bring you is going to come to
Speaker 2: you once you're able to release these stressors and anxieties.
Speaker 2: But that really is the block to everything in life,
Speaker 2: don't you agree?
Speaker 1: We are our own works to aneme when it comes
Speaker 1: to being able to be who we're meant to be. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I think that's true. I call it the yeah butt syndrome. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm going to sit and meditate and try to practice
Speaker 1: some of these concepts that we're talking about today. And
Speaker 1: the minute I sit down and say, okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to close my eyes and just own and breathe for
Speaker 1: a second, all of a sudden, the world is coming
Speaker 1: to an end if I don't get up Glen bathroom.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, And that just starts popping into your head.
Speaker 2: I think one of my biggest blocks with something like
Speaker 2: this traveling out of the body is fear of what
Speaker 2: will I encounter. But also I have that little voice
Speaker 2: in my head that says who me? Like, who am
Speaker 2: I to think I can astral project or travel to
Speaker 2: the past or the future. There's a bit of that
Speaker 2: in me too, that I still have to work on overcoming.
Speaker 2: And I think finding out what your primary block is
Speaker 2: is really really important because then you can work on that.
Speaker 2: So is it an exaggerated ego? Is it a diminished ego?
Speaker 2: Is it daily worries and stress like cleaning the bathroom
Speaker 2: like dev was mentioning. Is it just a season of
Speaker 2: your life is too stressful and chaotic and busy right
Speaker 2: now and it's not time for you to really practice
Speaker 2: and focus on this. I think we have to be
Speaker 2: honest with whatever stage we are in our life. You know,
Speaker 2: when I was, when I was going through my health diagnosis,
Speaker 2: when I was going through my divorce, when I was
Speaker 2: going through taking care of my parents, There's no way
Speaker 2: I could have tried this program. But I had to
Speaker 2: be honest with myself and say, you are being pulled
Speaker 2: in different directions and you need to focus on you know,
Speaker 2: simpler daily meditation and you can focus on this deeper
Speaker 2: level of progress at a different season of your life.
Speaker 1: True. Absolutely, And I guess you know will I've certainly
Speaker 1: have some trepidation and don't really, if I'm honest, really
Speaker 1: think I want to or deserve to are capable of
Speaker 1: doing that kind of travel outside the body. And yet
Speaker 1: Shirley McLean gave me the gift of the awareness that
Speaker 1: we all can do it. And you know, I've talked
Speaker 1: about this book a zillion times, but it really was,
Speaker 1: in the early eighties one of the books that changed
Speaker 1: so many people's perspective, a book called Out on a Limb.
Speaker 1: And in fact, I actually watched the movie recently. I'd
Speaker 1: never seen the movie, and you know, she talks about
Speaker 1: the civil cord, that we're all connected to our bodies,
Speaker 1: and that makes a whole lot of sense. And we've
Speaker 1: certainly had other people since surely talk about that. I'm
Speaker 1: not as scared of it as I used to be,
Speaker 1: but I'm still not sure I want to do it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I do? I mean, have you so, you and I
Speaker 2: have both read Robert Monroe's book Journeys out of the Body.
Speaker 2: Have you read his subsequent books?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Father, Journeys, I think is the last one he wrote.
Speaker 2: Do you remember some of the scary stuff he encountered
Speaker 2: in those astral dimensions? I do, Yeah, they were spooky,
Speaker 2: they were okay. So he concludes the report by offering
Speaker 2: an outline of the stuffs needed to participate in clicking
Speaker 2: out of your reality. The first step is get your
Speaker 2: headphones and listen to the HEMI sync meditations called the
Speaker 2: Gateway Experience. Then you want to add strong rem sleep
Speaker 2: frequencies to reduce the filtering capabilities of your left brain
Speaker 2: and deepen relaxation. You want to also give yourself hypnotic
Speaker 2: suggestions to help induce auto hypnotic states at will. And
Speaker 2: I believe he doesn't state it, so I'm just interjecting this.
Speaker 2: I believe you can do that throughout the day. You
Speaker 2: know how, some people who are working on dream recall
Speaker 2: will wear like a red string around their wrists. So
Speaker 2: all day, when they look at the red string, they
Speaker 2: can either say I'm awake, I'm not dreaming, or I
Speaker 2: will remember my dreams tonight. That's kind of like having
Speaker 2: that strong hypnotic suggestion throughout. So to help bolster your
Speaker 2: abilities to actually leave the body. Then I want to
Speaker 2: repeat these steps, he says, until you can experience astral travel.
Speaker 2: Continue with this until you can learn how to go
Speaker 2: out of the body while conscious. Now there are people
Speaker 2: who can do that, Kashtab. You and I read about
Speaker 2: lots of different people who have been able to do that.
Speaker 1: You have, indeed, but it's not me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well, we'll see that's what your left brain
Speaker 2: is telling you right now. Right from here, he recommends
Speaker 2: focusing on Focus fifteen and Focus twenty one, which is
Speaker 2: designed to train you to escape time space and learn
Speaker 2: to interact with new dimensions. Then he recommends using three
Speaker 2: people to try this form of time travel and what
Speaker 2: he calls information gathering trips. He said this involves three
Speaker 2: people all in a state of being out of their body.
Speaker 2: One is in the past, another in the present, and
Speaker 2: a third in the few future. He writes, debrief all
Speaker 2: three and compare data from these three different points of view.
Speaker 2: If care is taken to ensure that the three all
Speaker 2: go out of body together in the same environment, their
Speaker 2: conscious energy system should resonate in sympathetic oscillation. They can
Speaker 2: then tune into the same target on different places or
Speaker 2: dimensions with great effectiveness. Now, I just want to remind
Speaker 2: listeners that this report was written for the CIA, for
Speaker 2: the government. Does that not make you underdeb if they
Speaker 2: have trained people, like, let's say we're working on a
Speaker 2: situation that's a hostile situation in another country, could they
Speaker 2: train people one goes into the past to look at
Speaker 2: how that hostile situation started. One goes out of the
Speaker 2: body in the present to see what's happening now, and
Speaker 2: one goes into the future to see the outcome.
Speaker 1: When was this done?
Speaker 2: This was done in nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's an important piece to remember here.
Speaker 2: But what it makes me wonder is this being employed.
Speaker 2: I don't know, with some of the information that's come
Speaker 2: out about you know, the just the budgets we've had
Speaker 2: that we weren't aware of to study UAPs, is there
Speaker 2: a budget for this? And it makes me wonder if
Speaker 2: they're doing this to observe things in the future, Well,
Speaker 2: what future, because aren't there different options?
Speaker 1: One would think?
Speaker 2: Isn't that how we get the Mandela effect, that there's
Speaker 2: different dimensions, there's parallel realities.
Speaker 1: Right, Samantha, I don't know what we are talking about
Speaker 1: this week, and what we talked about last week just
Speaker 1: brought up a plethora of questions for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, me too. So then he says this,
Speaker 2: He says, you should be intellectually prepared to react to
Speaker 2: possible encounters with intelligent non corporeal energy forms when time
Speaker 2: space boundaries are exceeded.
Speaker 1: Non corporal energy forms.
Speaker 2: That means not in a body.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, keep going.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that just makes me wonder is he talking
Speaker 2: about angels? Is he talking about extraterrestrials? Is he talking
Speaker 2: about ghost.
Speaker 1: Is he talking about something that isn't anywhere close to
Speaker 1: human and it's just energy forms? I mean, it may
Speaker 1: be like a big blob of ecto something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: True. He also recommends that participants continue on a path
Speaker 2: of self knowledge, and I do think that would be
Speaker 2: definitely important, especially if you're having all of these journeys.
Speaker 2: He says, participants in Focus twelve, which is the time
Speaker 2: travel stage, should learn to unite their altered consciousness to
Speaker 2: build holographic patterns around sensitive areas to repulse possible unwanted
Speaker 2: did out of body presences.
Speaker 1: So if I'm one of these people who's doing time
Speaker 1: learning to do time travel, I need to be able
Speaker 1: to build holographic patterns around sensitive areas, around my body
Speaker 1: or around the landscape.
Speaker 2: By man, I think that's all possible. But again, remember
Speaker 2: who he's writing this report for. So I'm wondering if
Speaker 2: that's about protecting our country. I don't know, but it
Speaker 2: reminds me of some soul travel dreams I've had. I
Speaker 2: have these dreams, not often, maybe once a year, where
Speaker 2: I'm just on the other side with my guide and
Speaker 2: he's showing me some really cool stuff. And I remember
Speaker 2: several years ago I had a dream and he was
Speaker 2: showing me there were all these people outside and they
Speaker 2: were in this beautiful clearing in a forest, but I
Speaker 2: knew we weren't on Earth. I knew I was on
Speaker 2: the other side and they were all in a circle,
Speaker 2: and they were holding an image, like a holographic image
Speaker 2: of the Earth, and it was just hovering in the
Speaker 2: center of the circle and they were all sending light
Speaker 2: to it, and he said, they you know, these people
Speaker 2: are working on protecting the Earth right now from some
Speaker 2: of the excess energy and stress going on. I had
Speaker 2: another dream where there were a bunch of people in
Speaker 2: a circle and there was there was a red ball
Speaker 2: and I was vibrating and I said, what are they doing?
Speaker 2: And he said, these people are spending their dream time
Speaker 2: working on their anger issues. So they're trying to project
Speaker 2: all their anger into this ball as a way of
Speaker 2: releasing and healing it. And I don't know, just reading
Speaker 2: that sentence that he wrote in the report that we
Speaker 2: should all learn to unite our altered conscious to build
Speaker 2: holographic patterns around sensitive areas. It just reminded me of
Speaker 2: those dream experiences I had.
Speaker 1: You know what it reminds me of is haven't actually
Speaker 1: talked about this in a long time. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that I've been consistent in practicing it. But when we
Speaker 1: were first introduced to the term light worker, one of
Speaker 1: the things that I found remember was an organization that
Speaker 1: called itself light Work or something, I don't remember the
Speaker 1: exact name of it, and they invited participants to hold
Speaker 1: their fingers together, their thumbs pointing to each other and
Speaker 1: their index fingers pointing to each other, so that they
Speaker 1: formed a triangle with their fingers, and that you were
Speaker 1: to do this every morning, and that people all over
Speaker 1: the world were making the same motion, the same configuration
Speaker 1: with their fingers, so that we would hold the planet
Speaker 1: in a grid of light with our hands. Do you
Speaker 1: remember that.
Speaker 2: I do remember you doing that.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's time to revisit that, because that's when you
Speaker 1: talked about people joining together to do things. Well, one
Speaker 1: thing I heard, the power of three that you and
Speaker 1: Joel and I do together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it reminded me of that too.
Speaker 1: Sure, and how that might be something that we could
Speaker 1: expand beyond what we do for each other. And although
Speaker 1: I think we do, we all have intentions for the
Speaker 1: broader society around us with our power of three grid,
Speaker 1: but maybe with even more dedicated intention and this idea
Speaker 1: of that if a group of people can put all
Speaker 1: of their anger and angst and whatever into a red
Speaker 1: ball and do something with it, surely if other people
Speaker 1: can do something with loving kindness and whatever in a
Speaker 1: way to build a holographic pattern, as he calls it,
Speaker 1: where we are bringing light and positive energy into the
Speaker 1: planet exactly.
Speaker 2: And I remember in those dream visitations my guide saying
Speaker 2: anyone can do this. It requires nothing more than positive
Speaker 2: intent and can assistant flow of strong, concentrated thought energy.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So then he says that the government should train participants
Speaker 2: to build holographic patterns of successful attainment and progress to
Speaker 2: assist them in progressing through the Gateway system. So that's
Speaker 2: a whole lot of fancy words that are saying, I
Speaker 2: don't know what basically that the government should train, you know,
Speaker 2: people in this program to build these holographic patterns of
Speaker 2: success of victory.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, do you read something different in that sentence?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I found that really interesting. And again, yes,
Speaker 2: this is for the CIA, but this is also for us.
Speaker 2: And what if we trained ourselves to build holographic patterns
Speaker 2: of successful attainment for ourselves. I mean, whether whether you
Speaker 2: want to astral travel or see the past or see
Speaker 2: the future or not. The main thing I took away
Speaker 2: from this is that this is a great tool for
Speaker 2: self knowledge, as he said, but also for problem solving
Speaker 2: and manifesting.
Speaker 1: And you know, just I don't want to belabor this,
Speaker 1: but one of the things that we are also taught
Speaker 1: that is that there is no past, present, and future.
Speaker 1: Everything is all happening in the now. Yes, And so
Speaker 1: where are we really going if we travel into the
Speaker 1: pastor into the future. What does that really mean? And
Speaker 1: that's a whole other layer that I don't know that
Speaker 1: we can go into, but something to ponder. I think
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: Now, something I found interesting on page twenty four of
Speaker 2: the report, he quotes from Alexandra David Neil. I don't
Speaker 2: know if longtime listeners will remember we did a show
Speaker 2: on her. I think I did it with my daughter Olivia,
Speaker 2: I'm told, and she actually went to Tibet I believe
Speaker 2: it was in the nineteen twenties, and she wrote a
Speaker 2: book about how she was taught by the Tibetans to
Speaker 2: use the power of her mind, her imagination, and her
Speaker 2: thoughts to create a tulpa, which is a self created
Speaker 2: whatever you want to create. And she created that little monk,
Speaker 2: remember I do, And then he got kind of mean
Speaker 2: and she had to learn to reincorporate her into her
Speaker 2: conscience to dissolve him. Right, That's a fascinating book. So
Speaker 2: I just thought it was so wild that in this
Speaker 2: CIA report Alexander David Neil came up. So he quotes
Speaker 2: from her. He also quotes from Hindu sutras in other
Speaker 2: sacred texts, all in an effort to show that this
Speaker 2: knowledge does not go against any teachings from any religion.
Speaker 2: But just as he's doing that, the last line of
Speaker 2: the page reads, the eternal thought or concept of self,
Speaker 2: which results from this self consciousness serves the and then
Speaker 2: the next page of the report is missing. I thought
Speaker 2: I found that interesting that as he's talking about how
Speaker 2: this technique of meditating and balancing and synchronizing both parts
Speaker 2: of your brain and learning to connect deeper within for
Speaker 2: manifesting problem solving, but also contacting higher beings. He's using
Speaker 2: all these sacred texts from all these different religions to
Speaker 2: show that it really does not go against any of
Speaker 2: their core teachings. That page was removed.
Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting.
Speaker 2: Because there's always been pushback. I mean, in all the
Speaker 2: episodes we've researched for, you know, disclosure of what's happening
Speaker 2: with these UFOs, you WAPs, you will often see it's
Speaker 2: there's a strong, strong majority in Congress and Senate who
Speaker 2: use religion as a as a reason to squelch disclosure.
Speaker 2: And so if you read this report front to back,
Speaker 2: as deb and I have done, you'll see that he
Speaker 2: talks about how the uh, the misconceptions about religions and
Speaker 2: how all of this stuff that's involved in the Gateway
Speaker 2: experience has been considered a cultish is really incorrect, that
Speaker 2: it's that it's just ancient truths.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that kind of suppression has been
Speaker 1: We've seen it many times in many places. It doesn't
Speaker 1: surprise me that it would be here.
Speaker 2: Because it's about it's about control and and so if
Speaker 2: if we have all the truth and all the knowledge,
Speaker 2: then then who can control us? That's right, So let's
Speaker 2: take a quick break and when we come back we
Speaker 2: will talk about the missing page and how it was
Speaker 2: eventually discovered.
Speaker 1: So, folks, Samantha and I really do here, as we
Speaker 1: are heading towards our fifteenth anniversary, say a deep thank
Speaker 1: you to all of you for being a part of
Speaker 1: the Psychic Teacher's family. We just want to remind you
Speaker 1: that there are many ways in which you can connect
Speaker 1: with us our websites or individuals. So Samantha is Samantha
Speaker 1: Fay dot com, mineus Debbowen dot com. We have a
Speaker 1: Psychic Teacher's Facebook page. We both put out free newsletters,
Speaker 1: We teach a lot of different classes. Samantha has wonderful
Speaker 1: products and services on her website as well, and we
Speaker 1: both have e booklets and so forth. So there are
Speaker 1: lots of ways in which you can learn even more
Speaker 1: about your psychic self and the world around you from
Speaker 1: connecting with us in two or three different ways. So again,
Speaker 1: our websites are Samantha Fay dot com and Debbowen dot com.
Speaker 2: And we're so excited to celebrate our anniversary show because
Speaker 2: our dear friend Joel is coming on. He's going to
Speaker 2: be talking about crystals and how he and dev met
Speaker 2: and it's going to be a blast. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Me too, Me too.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get back to the show. So the page
Speaker 2: where he's just getting into how all of this is
Speaker 2: really in line with what religion teaches went missing. For years.
Speaker 2: People were filing foyer request asking for the missing page,
Speaker 2: all to no avail until four years ago when a
Speaker 2: writer for Vice received the missing page. So, this writer
Speaker 2: for Vice Online had written this great article about the
Speaker 2: Gateway process about this report, and had talked at length
Speaker 2: towards the end to the article about this missing page,
Speaker 2: and it got a lot of feedback, and the Monroe
Speaker 2: Institute reached out to him and said it been that
Speaker 2: missing page had been at the Monroe Institute all these years.
Speaker 2: People have been asking the CIA to release it, but
Speaker 2: never thought to check with the Monroe Institute. Wow, I know,
Speaker 2: but it makes me wonder why was it missing in
Speaker 2: the first place. You know, there is that. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: missing page continues about this suppression of this information because
Speaker 2: of religious stuff, to say, the eternal thought or concept
Speaker 2: of self, which results from this self consciousness serves the absolute,
Speaker 2: which is his word for infinity or all that is,
Speaker 2: as the model around which evolution of time space revolves
Speaker 2: to ultimately attain reflection of and union with God. This model,
Speaker 2: he explains, fits the Christian description of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2: He goes on to say that this figure of the
Speaker 2: universe of creation developing an evolution is found in virtually
Speaker 2: every religious system of antiquity, whether Western or Eastern. Whether
Speaker 2: it's the stylized labyrinth once popular in the Hellenistic world,
Speaker 2: the spiralized version of the Hebrew Tree of Life or
Speaker 2: its Hindu counterpart, or the Chinese spirl through the fourfold Powers,
Speaker 2: the ultimate meaning is the same. Mystics throughout the world
Speaker 2: and down through the ages have perceived the Universal Hologram
Speaker 2: in the same spiral form. The missing Page goes on
Speaker 2: to explain that even though these ideas other are the same,
Speaker 2: modern thought today is filtering these explanations of the universe
Speaker 2: through our left brain linear quantitative style of reasoning, whereas
Speaker 2: religions have always filtered this information through the right brain intuitive,
Speaker 2: holistic side. He then says that when we can explore
Speaker 2: the universal Hologram and this way we release ourselves from
Speaker 2: the prison of subjectivity.
Speaker 1: You know what came to mind as you were talking
Speaker 1: about the connection among the different beliefs is that that
Speaker 1: we have so many different ways of connecting rather than separating.
Speaker 1: Anybody who has taken my to rogue class knows that
Speaker 1: I talk ad nauseum about the connection and the similarities
Speaker 1: amongst so many world beliefs, cultures, and mythologies. And here
Speaker 1: it is again, Yeah, here it is again.
Speaker 2: I mean, this made me think of the Labyrinth. It
Speaker 2: made me think of reiki with the choku ra symbol.
Speaker 2: It made me think of one of my favorite books,
Speaker 2: The Interior Castle, where she describes this spiral castle formation
Speaker 2: of the different rooms you have to go to, spiraling
Speaker 2: into the center of the core of.
Speaker 1: Who you are, on and on and on it goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really really does. And it also made me
Speaker 2: think about how we have gone from this industrial age
Speaker 2: to this age of reasoning, to this age of AI
Speaker 2: and all this tech stuff that we're in now. Where
Speaker 2: is the room for our right brain? Where is the
Speaker 2: the honoring and celebrating of holistic, creative ways of seeing
Speaker 2: the world. Science really has dictated so much of how
Speaker 2: we see ourselves in the world around us for the
Speaker 2: last century or so, wouldn't you agree?
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. One of the things that
Speaker 1: I have been doing lately is writing in longhand on
Speaker 1: an old factioned yellow legal pand And I'm doing that
Speaker 1: partly partly in rebellion against the modern world of technology,
Speaker 1: and also partly because that's one of the ways your
Speaker 1: brain remembers. Is your hand works with your brain to
Speaker 1: help you remember things and to work together, and there's
Speaker 1: a creative connection there that is different than sitting and
Speaker 1: typing on a computer. I think that if we can
Speaker 1: can find ways in which we can live outside of
Speaker 1: the technology world, we do better at that deep connection.
Speaker 1: The spring is coming. What better way than to get
Speaker 1: your hands in the dirt, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, that's so true. No, but they've proven that
Speaker 2: writing you with your actual hand instead of typing really
Speaker 2: does help strengthen your right brain absolutely. And I know
Speaker 2: that because when I was in school, that's the only
Speaker 2: way I could study. I would take my class notes
Speaker 2: and the notes I took from textbook reading, and I
Speaker 2: would rewrite those notes over and over again, and then
Speaker 2: when I got to the test, I would remember where
Speaker 2: those words were on the paper. Do you remember doing that?
Speaker 1: You could close your eyes and see your notes.
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's because it was getting stored into my
Speaker 2: right brain, the creative visualization side, just from the act
Speaker 2: of writing it down too.
Speaker 1: That's exactly how I studied.
Speaker 2: And I really appreciate where he says we release ourselves
Speaker 2: from the prison of subjectivity, because what he's trying to
Speaker 2: say in this whole report is that our left brain
Speaker 2: is so subjective, and it is constantly comparing anything, any stimuli,
Speaker 2: any experience, any opportunity, any person that is coming at us.
Speaker 2: It compares it to previous knowledge, to previous people, to
Speaker 2: previous experiences. That's the only way the left brain knows
Speaker 2: how to filter and make sense of the different things
Speaker 2: we're encountering. It is completely subjective to our past experiences,
Speaker 2: whereas the right brain is totally objective. And so that's
Speaker 2: why he's seeing. When you live primarily from a left
Speaker 2: brain way of seeing the world, you are subjugated to it,
Speaker 2: to your past, to your beliefs, to your thoughts. Whereas
Speaker 2: when you allow your right brain more free reiin, you
Speaker 2: open yourselves up to so much more, so much more healing,
Speaker 2: so much more possibility, so much more problem solving, so
Speaker 2: much more insight and inspiration and intuition, and you allow
Speaker 2: yourself to connect with the absolute, to God, to the universe,
Speaker 2: however you want to say that, so that you can
Speaker 2: get that love and comfort and help that you're seeking.
Speaker 1: You know, Samantha, there are topics and concepts in the
Speaker 1: world that I can't began to grasp in my cognitive mind.
Speaker 1: And there are concepts that I'm not sure I believe
Speaker 1: even if I did sort of understand them, And that's okay.
Speaker 1: What's important is that there is within me this ability
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for where I can say I don't know
Speaker 1: what I think about that or how I feel about that,
Speaker 1: but I'm open to learning and hearing about it. And
Speaker 1: that's and that's what your right brain does, is it
Speaker 1: helps you to be open the ideas that are foreign
Speaker 1: to you. And you may not your left brain may say,
Speaker 1: oh no, you're not going to accept that or whatever,
Speaker 1: and there may be this discussion going on in your
Speaker 1: brain about that, but at least you have an awareness
Speaker 1: that there's more than one way of looking at the world.
Speaker 2: That's key to everything.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I was stopped by a neighbor a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: ago who said, I saw your book in Barnes Noble.
Speaker 2: I was going to get it, but I'm afraid.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: And I was like, what do you mean you're afraid
Speaker 2: and she was like, well, I'm afraid to encounter my
Speaker 2: guides and angels. Oh boy, yeah. And I thought, wow,
Speaker 2: if you're afraid of angels, what else are you afraid of?
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, I want to call me up.
Speaker 1: I could talk talk to about talking to the ark angel, Michael,
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 2: So then he says that the old adage to first
Speaker 2: know thyself really is the ultimate truth. He says that
Speaker 2: in our modern world we tend to look to personality
Speaker 2: test and personal psychology to commune with our true self,
Speaker 2: but he says these won't work. No personality test will
Speaker 2: ever replace the depth and fullness of the perception of self,
Speaker 2: which can be achieved through these altered states of consciousness.
Speaker 2: I just found that really interesting because we have so
Speaker 2: many personality tests. You know, what's your human design, what's
Speaker 2: your love language, what's your what's the I n f
Speaker 2: D score or.
Speaker 1: Whatever that originally actually it's the Myers Briggs Myers Brigg,
Speaker 1: but it came from young Actually.
Speaker 2: We do have all of these tests and they're fun
Speaker 2: and interesting to take and look at and examine. But
Speaker 2: I think he's right that the only way you can
Speaker 2: really really know yourself is not I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's through altered states of consciousness, but I do think
Speaker 2: it's through taking serious time outs in your life to
Speaker 2: really be honest with yourself, to look within, to not
Speaker 2: be afraid to face what are your successes and what
Speaker 2: are your failures? What makes you amazing and what maybe
Speaker 2: makes you not so amazing, And when we can really
Speaker 2: look at ourselves with all the beauty and all the
Speaker 2: faults as well, I really do think that's when we
Speaker 2: start to understand not only who we are, but what
Speaker 2: our place is in this beautiful world as well.
Speaker 1: Just be open to the possibilities of what you may
Speaker 1: have never thought of felt of before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and really think about what it is that
Speaker 2: you want and how can you get there, Because if
Speaker 2: you do want to be more intuitive, this is a
Speaker 2: way to get there. This is one path to achieve that.
Speaker 2: It's not the only path, it's just one we wanted
Speaker 2: to introduce to you. You know, when I was thinking
Speaker 2: about doing the show, I called you, deb and I
Speaker 2: was like, I think listeners would really appreciate this because
Speaker 2: it's a different way to look at meditation. And you
Speaker 2: and I started talking about other forms of meditation we
Speaker 2: haven't covered on the show very much, and one of
Speaker 2: those was the Silva Mind method. It's a way to
Speaker 2: help you get into that alpha brain wave state that
Speaker 2: is needed for a lot of intuition and inner thinking.
Speaker 2: Where did that go? Remember when that was everywhere in
Speaker 2: the seventies, eighties and nineties.
Speaker 1: Well, do I remember? That was one of the things
Speaker 1: that the first psychic I saw, since she was big
Speaker 1: and a silver mine work, and really recommended that I
Speaker 1: do some research on it. And of course at that time,
Speaker 1: there was no such thing as that being available where
Speaker 1: we live. But I think eventually it did come and
Speaker 1: I think it was used as a maybe a tutorial
Speaker 1: program for kids in school. I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, and they were trained, like you could
Speaker 2: get trained in the silver Mine method. I remember there
Speaker 2: was someone up in about two hours up the road
Speaker 2: from us who was trained and was teaching seminars on it.
Speaker 2: I got the cassette tapes back then had. I remember
Speaker 2: listening to them Jose Silva, I got his book. It
Speaker 2: never really resonated with me the way Hemisinc Does. But
Speaker 2: I still explored it and found it interesting and helpful.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, you don't have to believe everything
Speaker 1: you check on. I mean, you just still but it's
Speaker 1: nice to know about it. And I still think that
Speaker 1: it would be an interesting for nothing else for my
Speaker 1: historical perspective, because I don't know whether or not it's
Speaker 1: still functioning. But at some point we will do a
Speaker 1: show on the silver mind control process.
Speaker 2: Is it similar to is it NLP?
Speaker 1: I don't now. I know about NLP because I have
Speaker 1: some training in LP. That's neural linguistic programming, and that's
Speaker 1: a different mind, different process.
Speaker 2: What does that involve?
Speaker 1: Neural Linguistic programming is basically the concept that we come
Speaker 1: into a lifetime already kind of pre wired to communicate
Speaker 1: in certain ways, and that there are physical movements, there
Speaker 1: are eye movements, there are languages that we speak that
Speaker 1: clue us into the best way to communicate with someone else.
Speaker 1: For example, how many times have you heard me say,
Speaker 1: if you really have something important to tell me, sing it?
Speaker 1: I mean, how many times have I said that on
Speaker 1: the show a lot. That's because my primary communication tool
Speaker 1: is auditory. I hear far better than I see. They're
Speaker 1: three or four basic parts of NLP, and mine is auditory.
Speaker 1: I probably could not tell somebody what you look like. Physically,
Speaker 1: I could not describe you, But you put me in
Speaker 1: a room with one hundred people and let me listen
Speaker 1: to a tape of a voice that I could pick
Speaker 1: you out in a second.
Speaker 2: So does NLP work on that skill and then enhances it.
Speaker 1: It does. For example, if you and I and one
Speaker 1: of the ways that was used in business. And I
Speaker 1: won't labor this for long, but if you and I
Speaker 1: were working together in a business and I'm primarily an
Speaker 1: auditory communicator and you're a visual communicator, and we're trying
Speaker 1: to come up with a plan for something, and I
Speaker 1: keep saying to you, Samantha, listened to me, can you
Speaker 1: hear this? From my perspective? It sounds to me like
Speaker 1: I'm using my language. But if I say to you,
Speaker 1: if you're a visual person, and I say to you, Samantha,
Speaker 1: can you look at it this way? It appears to
Speaker 1: me that where we're going here is watch this. Now.
Speaker 1: I've spoken in it entirely, I've said the same thing,
Speaker 1: but in two different languages.
Speaker 2: Oh that is interesting.
Speaker 1: It is. It really works. I used to use it
Speaker 1: with my students a lot.
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to read my favorite line from this
Speaker 2: whole long report, and I want to hear what you
Speaker 2: think about it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: He says, when a person experiences the out of body's state,
Speaker 2: he is in fact projecting that eternal spark of consciousness
Speaker 2: and memory, which constitutes the ultimate source of her identity,
Speaker 2: to let it play and learn from dimensions both inside
Speaker 2: and outside the time space world in which our physical
Speaker 2: component currently enjoys a short period of reality. So I
Speaker 2: love that because it's talking about how this lifetime that
Speaker 2: we're existing in right now is just a short period
Speaker 2: of reality and then we go back to infinity. I
Speaker 2: also love that he refers to us all as eternal
Speaker 2: sparks of consciousness and that really this is about playing
Speaker 2: and learning, And I think I think sometimes we forget
Speaker 2: that that we're here to learn, but we're also here
Speaker 2: to play and have fun.
Speaker 1: I think that's the most important thing you've said. I
Speaker 1: think that's the most important thing in this whole thing
Speaker 1: is learning to find joy in the world. That when
Speaker 1: when we have a sense of play and we approach
Speaker 1: the world from a joyous perspective, regardless of whether we're
Speaker 1: in the past, the present, of the future, the whatever
Speaker 1: we're doing, play really is a wonderful, wonderful gift.
Speaker 2: Well, you know you've heard that for beginner's luck. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the research they've done on that is absolutely intriguing. One
Speaker 2: of the reasons why you have beginner's luck is because
Speaker 2: you're approaching it from an attitude of play. So if
Speaker 2: you've never picked up a tennis racket, you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: this could be fun, and you pick it up, and
Speaker 2: you toss the ball and you strike it beautifully. Maybe
Speaker 2: your backhand is amazing and you're like, oh wow. And
Speaker 2: then that's when the left bring kicks in and you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: how can I repeat that? I need to do that again,
Speaker 2: and I need to learn this and I need to
Speaker 2: improve that, and then the beginner's luck ends. The other
Speaker 2: reason they say that beginner's luck works is because you
Speaker 2: don't have a point of reference to compare it to.
Speaker 2: So it's not like your left brain is saying, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm not good at tennis. You don't know if you're
Speaker 2: good at tennis or not.
Speaker 1: Well, see for somebody who once played tennis one time
Speaker 1: and I had no concept whatsoever. I still don't. Tennis
Speaker 1: makes no sense to me, But my did. I appreciate
Speaker 1: the fact that when the quote game it wasn't much
Speaker 1: of a game was over, my score was love and
Speaker 1: I thought that was really nice.
Speaker 2: That is very nice. You know, I really have gotten
Speaker 2: in the last I don't know, five years, I've really
Speaker 2: really gotten back into yoga and it's just been a
Speaker 2: beautiful outlet for me for my body mind. Ansel and
Speaker 2: a couple of people have said to me, Oh, you
Speaker 2: should get your yoga teacher training. You'd be really good
Speaker 2: at that. And I was like, no, because they want
Speaker 2: to always be a student of yoga. That's just my
Speaker 2: personal feeling, because that allows me to play right, whereas
Speaker 2: when I'm the teacher, that energy of play goes away.
Speaker 2: And I think you would have to bring that same
Speaker 2: attitude and energy of play and trust and self knowledge
Speaker 2: to this form of meditation.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think you would have to to.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying like play with it, like, oh,
Speaker 2: let me play with projecting my consciousness out of my body.
Speaker 2: I don't mean it that way, but I mean how
Speaker 2: that that word play to me implies trust, openness, and
Speaker 2: fun and.
Speaker 1: I in a sense of wonder.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. So I think that no matter you know,
Speaker 2: what religion or belief system that you ascribe to, the
Speaker 2: Gateway experience is a really really valuable tool to help
Speaker 2: you understand yourself, the collective conscious, and how to learn
Speaker 2: from one another and then take that wisdom back to
Speaker 2: the absolute, allowing us, all of us to break free
Speaker 2: from our self induced prisons.
Speaker 1: Nice summation, Thank you for that. You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Do you think you're going to try some of this
Speaker 2: Hemi Sink stuff?
Speaker 1: I think I would be happy to try it. I do.
Speaker 1: I do. I think it might might take my meditation
Speaker 1: practice to another level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I do too. I bought these new headbands.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a headband that has the built in
Speaker 2: headphones so you can listen to the Hemi Sink while
Speaker 2: you're falling asleep, because some of the meditations are designed
Speaker 2: for you to listen to while you're falling asleep. So
Speaker 2: I'm definitely gonna do that. And then I think I
Speaker 2: am going to try to go up to Virginia and
Speaker 2: do one of the week long programs.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea.
Speaker 2: I might have to wait till my youngest graduates college,
Speaker 2: because let me tell you, they're not cheap.
Speaker 1: Noo.
Speaker 2: If you could achieve all of that in seven days.
Speaker 1: Oh, and I say, you're turning it into work. How
Speaker 1: so achieve do this in seven days?
Speaker 2: I don't well what he said that only five percent
Speaker 2: of graduates achieve Focus fifteen, which is time traveled to
Speaker 2: the past in the seven day pro Graham, and he
Speaker 2: acted like only seven percent or five percent. I was like,
Speaker 2: five percent in seven days learning out of time travel.
Speaker 2: That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: It is. Indeed, it is.
Speaker 2: What else, Sabatha, I think that's everything. Do you feel less?
Speaker 2: I don't know what the word is. I feel like
Speaker 2: last time we discussed this, you were feeling a little
Speaker 2: overwhelmed by all the information, all the quantum physics.
Speaker 1: I was. I mean, Samantha's telling you all the truth
Speaker 1: when she said, I said, Smatha, you've got stuff. I
Speaker 1: can't do this and this needs to be two parts.
Speaker 1: And it was because I was on such overload with
Speaker 1: trying to absorb the material and the intent of the material,
Speaker 1: and you know I'm not always excited about talking about
Speaker 1: stuff that has to do with spooky government stuff, so
Speaker 1: I was pretty resistant to the idea of so much
Speaker 1: overload last week. This week, you've done a beautiful job
Speaker 1: of taking me into something that seems fun and realistic
Speaker 1: and probable and possible.
Speaker 2: So thanks Magical We need to remember the magic that
Speaker 2: exists within us and all around us.
Speaker 1: This true good point.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you guys so much for listening. We hope
Speaker 2: you have a wonderful week in your body or out
Speaker 2: of your body. Remember as always, to be the light
Speaker 2: for yourself and others.
Speaker 1: Take care everyone.
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