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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host, Deb Bowen.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Samantha Fay.

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<v Speaker 1>We are so delighted that you have joined us this

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<v Speaker 1>week for part two of our discussion about the Gateway Process.

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<v Speaker 1>There was so much to talk about that we know you.

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<v Speaker 1>We couldn't get it all in last week, and I

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<v Speaker 1>bet that there were more questions you had, and we've

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<v Speaker 1>got some answers maybe and some discussion to follow up

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<v Speaker 1>on that for this week. So Samantha recap where we've

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<v Speaker 1>been for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I do want to reiterate that I meant

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<v Speaker 2>for this to be a one time and Deb was like, Samantha, girl,

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<v Speaker 2>like what are you doing to us? Because there is

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<v Speaker 2>so much in here. So just to recap what we

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<v Speaker 2>are discussing is the declassified CIA report called Analysis and

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<v Speaker 2>Assessment of the Gateway Process, which examined different methods for

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<v Speaker 2>achieving altered states of consciousness and going out of the

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<v Speaker 2>body and even remote viewing and accessing different dimensions and

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<v Speaker 2>and it even talks about time travel and so much.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's absolutely just a fascinating project to research. But

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<v Speaker 2>we also thought it would be a really important thing

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<v Speaker 2>to bring to you all because in my mind anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>deb and you can tell me if you agree or disagree,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like this gives so much credence to meditation

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<v Speaker 2>and the power of our mind and the magic that

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<v Speaker 2>lies within our quote unquote and imagination.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you wholeheartedly, Samantha. And you know one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that we as we were talking last week,

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<v Speaker 1>and as my head was about to explode, and I said, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to stop because I need time to process

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<v Speaker 1>where we are here with some of this information. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that one of the gifts that this discussion gives

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<v Speaker 1>us is the idea, once again reinforced that there's much

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<v Speaker 1>more out there that we don't know about and that

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<v Speaker 1>is available to us in some way and is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be shown to us.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yes, I do too. And so we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking last week about kind of the quantum physics behind

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<v Speaker 2>how by nourmal beats and listening to different tones in

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<v Speaker 2>both sides of your brain can help your brain to

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<v Speaker 2>align and really work together to enhance these experiences. And

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<v Speaker 2>then he was the writer of the report, was talking

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<v Speaker 2>about all the different stages that you were guided to

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<v Speaker 2>in the gateway process, which involves visualizing colors for healing,

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<v Speaker 2>and taking that really cool ray of light, that wand

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<v Speaker 2>of energy and spinning it to help create different goals

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<v Speaker 2>that you're working on, but also portals, which I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was really really cool. So you're taught how to use

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<v Speaker 2>that bar of energy as a tool for enhancing your goals,

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<v Speaker 2>for retrieving more energy for remote viewing, but you can

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<v Speaker 2>also learn how to visualize spinning that wand of energy

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<v Speaker 2>or that wand of light into a vortex through which

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<v Speaker 2>you can then project your consciousness out into other dimensions.

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<v Speaker 2>So from here, he says that if you make it

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<v Speaker 2>this far in the program, you're then asked to move

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<v Speaker 2>on to what's called Focused fifteen, and this is called

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<v Speaker 2>travel into the past. Would you want to travel into

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<v Speaker 2>the fast the past?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, I think I would too. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>would be really interesting. What about the future?

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<v Speaker 1>M only if I was sure I could get back

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<v Speaker 1>to now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's exactly how I feel. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>last week we talked a little bit about Focus fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>He said it was pretty difficult. About five percent of

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<v Speaker 2>students in the Gateway Experience actually achieved that. But one

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<v Speaker 2>thing I thought was interesting is he says you can

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<v Speaker 2>use the Focus fifteen technique to not only visit your

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<v Speaker 2>own past, but any aspect of the past from which

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<v Speaker 2>to which you have no connection. And the last and

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<v Speaker 2>most advanced stage of the program is called Focus twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>and it involves traveling into the future. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't say a whole lot about this stage except

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<v Speaker 2>to add that it's quote attainable only to those who

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<v Speaker 2>have conditioned themselves through long application of meditation for a

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<v Speaker 2>period of months, if not years. So I found that interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess a lot of what he was saying in

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<v Speaker 2>that report, and what I've read about the Gateway experience

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<v Speaker 2>or the Gateway process is that it really does involve

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<v Speaker 2>you being able to realistically visualize whatever it is you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do. Remember last week when we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about manifesting, and he was saying that if your left brain,

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<v Speaker 2>your rational, reasoning, logical mind, cannot picture yourself achieving whatever

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<v Speaker 2>your goal is, you know, if there's a part of

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<v Speaker 2>your mind that's saying, hmm, that's a little too big

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<v Speaker 2>for us, or I don't know if we're really ready

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<v Speaker 2>for that promotion. He was saying, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>manifest it. That it's got to be something that you

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<v Speaker 2>actually believe in. And I wonder if it's hard for

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<v Speaker 2>most people to project their consciousness into the future because

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know what it looks like, and so your

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<v Speaker 2>left brain is just going to block it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's true. And there, as you said, there

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<v Speaker 1>are many reasons that we naysay on ourselves, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a big part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do too, and I think it blocks us

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. And that's why I believe working with meditation

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<v Speaker 2>programs like this can be incredibly helpful. Now in regards

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<v Speaker 2>to traveling out of the body, he says that certain

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<v Speaker 2>states must be achieved. One, you have to get yourself

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<v Speaker 2>into a profound state of relaxation so that the bifurcation

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<v Speaker 2>echo fades and the resonance of seven herds is established.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you remember, he talked a lot about how

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<v Speaker 2>most of us have this bifurcation echo where just the rhythm,

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<v Speaker 2>the natural rhythm in our body isn't even but when

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<v Speaker 2>you meditate, or when you listen to these binaural beats,

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<v Speaker 2>the hemi sync meditations, it helps that bifurcation echo to

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<v Speaker 2>fade away and your resonance of the The motion in

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<v Speaker 2>your body is now even an aligned with the resonance

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<v Speaker 2>of the earth, which is also around seven hurts. The

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<v Speaker 2>second thing you have to achieve is the two sides

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<v Speaker 2>of your brain. Wave patterns must be synchronized, so your

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<v Speaker 2>left and right brain have to be synchronized, and working

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<v Speaker 2>with binural beats helps to do that. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>third state that must be achieved is the right hemisphere.

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<v Speaker 2>The right side of your brain must then be stimulated

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<v Speaker 2>to achieve a state of alertness. So you have to

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<v Speaker 2>reduce the left side of your brain, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>hypervigilant filter that's always blocking out stuff that it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>agree with or doesn't resonate with your prior belief system.

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<v Speaker 2>That has to be diminished, and then the right has

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<v Speaker 2>to be amplified. Now he does add that we can

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<v Speaker 2>achieve this state naturally through sleep, and I found that

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<v Speaker 2>very validating for a lot of the stuff I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>in my first book, The Awake Dreamer, because I really

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<v Speaker 2>believe that most of us are traveling out of the

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<v Speaker 2>body when we sleep. You've had experiences with that, deb

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<v Speaker 2>I've had experiences with that. We've heard from hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>listeners who have had what they feel is an out

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<v Speaker 2>of body experience while they're sleeping. He points out that

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<v Speaker 2>during rem sleep, the left hemisphere is almost totally disengaged,

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<v Speaker 2>which allows the right hemisphere to have free rein to

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<v Speaker 2>leave the body and go exploring. But he adds, because

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<v Speaker 2>the left brain is so completely shut off, this also

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<v Speaker 2>suppresses memory retention, meaning we wake up with no knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>or memory of having traveled out of the body.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that why when you wake up and you just

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<v Speaker 1>start so clear about a dream that you've had, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the time you get out of bed and

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<v Speaker 1>make it to the coffee pot, it's gone, yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because that left brain, that left side of the

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<v Speaker 2>brain is diminished, and it's not it's not a wake

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<v Speaker 2>and alert to go ooh, time to go to work.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got to file this into memory. We got to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, shuck that it's not important. That's that's totally

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<v Speaker 2>shut off. And that's why that hypnogogic state that you

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<v Speaker 2>have between wake and sleep is so crucial for dream

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<v Speaker 2>recall and more in, people who meditate more, or engage

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<v Speaker 2>in creative outlets or practice day dreaming tend to have

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<v Speaker 2>better dream recall and then of course, we know that

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<v Speaker 2>just talking about your dreams, writing your dreams down, setting

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<v Speaker 2>the intent to remember your dreams definitely does help.

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<v Speaker 1>With this absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he says this, This is a really interesting quote.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, unlike yoga and other forms of Eastern mental discipline,

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<v Speaker 2>Gateway does not require the infinite patience and total personal

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<v Speaker 2>subservience too and faith in a system of discipline designed

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<v Speaker 2>to absorb all the individual's energies over most of a lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>The speed with which an individual may expect to progress

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<v Speaker 2>seems less a function of the number of hours spent

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<v Speaker 2>practicing than it is a question of the speed with

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<v Speaker 2>which he or she is able to use the insights

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<v Speaker 2>gained to release anxieties and stresses within both the body

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<v Speaker 2>and the mind. These points of energy blockage seem to

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<v Speaker 2>provide the principal barriers to achieving the enhanced energy states

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<v Speaker 2>and focus of mind needed for rapid progression. The more compulsive,

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<v Speaker 2>the more uptight the individual, the more barriers he or

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<v Speaker 2>she will encounter. So I think that's really important for

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<v Speaker 2>everyone to hear. He's saying. You know, yoga and other

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<v Speaker 2>forms of Eastern mental discipline are great, and they do work,

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<v Speaker 2>but they require a lot of patients and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of surrendering to a faith and a form of discipline

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<v Speaker 2>that's designed over a long, long, long long time to

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<v Speaker 2>absorb any of your stresses and anxieties. Whereas this program

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of you know, what did I tell you before?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a hack to being psychic?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Yeah? You did? You know? As you were

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<v Speaker 1>talking and explaining the Eastern thought in opposition to this process,

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<v Speaker 1>I was seeing remember those those scenes we've certainly watched

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<v Speaker 1>on videos and whatever of monks high up in the

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<v Speaker 1>Himalayas lowering themselves into freezing water and steam comes off

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<v Speaker 1>you other body, you know, and they're they're just fine,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're in that altered state of being. It takes

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<v Speaker 1>a long time to be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, Yeah, it really really does, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>a way to kind of bypass that. It also made

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<v Speaker 2>me think about those stories we have through the years

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<v Speaker 2>of people who had a head injury and were suddenly psychic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and it makes me wonder, did something happen

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<v Speaker 2>in their brain where the right hemisphere is now more

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<v Speaker 2>lit up than the left hemisphere and that's what allows

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<v Speaker 2>them to have these psychic insights. And then the second

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<v Speaker 2>part of his quote that I really wanted everyone to

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<v Speaker 2>focus on is how the biggest blocks to this progression

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<v Speaker 2>is anxiety and stress held within the body and the mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was very significant that he said the

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<v Speaker 2>body in the mind, because you can work on releasing

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety and stress from your mind, but often it gets

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<v Speaker 2>trapped in the body and you have to pay attention.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to pay attention to where you hold stress

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<v Speaker 2>in your body and where is that actually originating from?

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<v Speaker 2>Deb and I have talked to the years. If you

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<v Speaker 2>have a pain in your neck, well, who's being a

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<v Speaker 2>pain in your neck right now? If you have a

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<v Speaker 2>shoulder issue, who are you carrying in life right now?

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a hip issue, what next stage of

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<v Speaker 2>your life are you resistant to walk into? So you

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<v Speaker 2>always have to look to the body and think, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you trying to tell me? What am I suppressing

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<v Speaker 2>in my subconscious that I don't even know is blocking me?

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<v Speaker 2>And then of course anxieties and stressors within our mind

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<v Speaker 2>But that really is the block to everything in life,

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<v Speaker 1>We are our own works to aneme when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to being able to be who we're meant to be. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's true. I call it the yeah butt syndrome. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, And that just starts popping into your head.

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<v Speaker 2>in me too, that I still have to work on overcoming.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think finding out what your primary block is

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<v Speaker 2>So is it an exaggerated ego? Is it a diminished ego?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it daily worries and stress like cleaning the bathroom

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<v Speaker 2>like dev was mentioning. Is it just a season of

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<v Speaker 2>be honest with myself and say, you are being pulled

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<v Speaker 2>simpler daily meditation and you can focus on this deeper

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<v Speaker 1>True. Absolutely, And I guess you know will I've certainly

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<v Speaker 1>think I want to or deserve to are capable of

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<v Speaker 1>doing that kind of travel outside the body. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>Shirley McLean gave me the gift of the awareness that

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<v Speaker 1>we all can do it. And you know, I've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this book a zillion times, but it really was,

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<v Speaker 1>in the early eighties one of the books that changed

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<v Speaker 1>so many people's perspective, a book called Out on a Limb.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact, I actually watched the movie recently. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>never seen the movie, and you know, she talks about

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<v Speaker 1>the civil cord, that we're all connected to our bodies,

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<v Speaker 1>and that makes a whole lot of sense. And we've

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<v Speaker 1>certainly had other people since surely talk about that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm still not sure I want to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I do? I mean, have you so, you and I

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<v Speaker 2>have both read Robert Monroe's book Journeys out of the Body.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you read his subsequent books?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Father, Journeys, I think is the last one he wrote.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember some of the scary stuff he encountered

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<v Speaker 2>in those astral dimensions? I do, Yeah, they were spooky,

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<v Speaker 2>they were okay. So he concludes the report by offering

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<v Speaker 2>an outline of the stuffs needed to participate in clicking

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<v Speaker 2>out of your reality. The first step is get your

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<v Speaker 2>Gateway Experience. Then you want to add strong rem sleep

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<v Speaker 2>and deepen relaxation. You want to also give yourself hypnotic

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<v Speaker 2>suggestions to help induce auto hypnotic states at will. And

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<v Speaker 2>I believe he doesn't state it, so I'm just interjecting this.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe you can do that throughout the day. You

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<v Speaker 2>know how, some people who are working on dream recall

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<v Speaker 2>will wear like a red string around their wrists. So

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<v Speaker 2>all day, when they look at the red string, they

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<v Speaker 2>can either say I'm awake, I'm not dreaming, or I

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<v Speaker 2>will remember my dreams tonight. That's kind of like having

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<v Speaker 2>that strong hypnotic suggestion throughout. So to help bolster your

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<v Speaker 2>abilities to actually leave the body. Then I want to

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<v Speaker 2>repeat these steps, he says, until you can experience astral travel.

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<v Speaker 2>Continue with this until you can learn how to go

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<v Speaker 2>out of the body while conscious. Now there are people

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<v Speaker 2>who can do that, Kashtab. You and I read about

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<v Speaker 2>lots of different people who have been able to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>You have, indeed, but it's not me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's well, we'll see that's what your left brain

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<v Speaker 2>is telling you right now. Right from here, he recommends

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<v Speaker 2>focusing on Focus fifteen and Focus twenty one, which is

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<v Speaker 2>designed to train you to escape time space and learn

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<v Speaker 2>to interact with new dimensions. Then he recommends using three

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<v Speaker 2>people to try this form of time travel and what

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<v Speaker 2>he calls information gathering trips. He said this involves three

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<v Speaker 2>people all in a state of being out of their body.

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<v Speaker 2>One is in the past, another in the present, and

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<v Speaker 2>a third in the few future. He writes, debrief all

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<v Speaker 2>three and compare data from these three different points of view.

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<v Speaker 2>If care is taken to ensure that the three all

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<v Speaker 2>go out of body together in the same environment, their

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<v Speaker 2>conscious energy system should resonate in sympathetic oscillation. They can

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<v Speaker 2>then tune into the same target on different places or

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<v Speaker 2>dimensions with great effectiveness. Now, I just want to remind

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<v Speaker 2>listeners that this report was written for the CIA, for

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<v Speaker 2>the government. Does that not make you underdeb if they

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<v Speaker 2>have trained people, like, let's say we're working on a

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<v Speaker 2>situation that's a hostile situation in another country, could they

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<v Speaker 2>train people one goes into the past to look at

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<v Speaker 2>how that hostile situation started. One goes out of the

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<v Speaker 2>body in the present to see what's happening now, and

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<v Speaker 2>one goes into the future to see the outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>When was this done?

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<v Speaker 2>This was done in nineteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that's an important piece to remember here.

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<v Speaker 2>But what it makes me wonder is this being employed.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, with some of the information that's come

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<v Speaker 2>that we weren't aware of to study UAPs, is there

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<v Speaker 2>a budget for this? And it makes me wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing this to observe things in the future, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>what future, because aren't there different options?

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<v Speaker 1>One would think?

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that how we get the Mandela effect, that there's

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<v Speaker 2>different dimensions, there's parallel realities.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Samantha, I don't know what we are talking about

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<v Speaker 1>this week, and what we talked about last week just

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<v Speaker 1>brought up a plethora of questions for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, me too. So then he says this,

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<v Speaker 2>He says, you should be intellectually prepared to react to

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<v Speaker 2>possible encounters with intelligent non corporeal energy forms when time

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<v Speaker 2>space boundaries are exceeded.

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<v Speaker 1>Non corporal energy forms.

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<v Speaker 2>That means not in a body.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Okay, keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So that just makes me wonder is he talking

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<v Speaker 2>about angels? Is he talking about extraterrestrials? Is he talking

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<v Speaker 1>Is he talking about something that isn't anywhere close to

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<v Speaker 2>True. He also recommends that participants continue on a path

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<v Speaker 2>of self knowledge, and I do think that would be

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<v Speaker 2>definitely important, especially if you're having all of these journeys.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, participants in Focus twelve, which is the time

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<v Speaker 2>travel stage, should learn to unite their altered consciousness to

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<v Speaker 1>So if I'm one of these people who's doing time

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<v Speaker 1>learning to do time travel, I need to be able

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<v Speaker 2>By man, I think that's all possible. But again, remember

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<v Speaker 2>who he's writing this report for. So I'm wondering if

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<v Speaker 2>that's about protecting our country. I don't know, but it

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<v Speaker 2>reminds me of some soul travel dreams I've had. I

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<v Speaker 2>have these dreams, not often, maybe once a year, where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just on the other side with my guide and

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<v Speaker 2>he's showing me some really cool stuff. And I remember

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<v Speaker 2>several years ago I had a dream and he was

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<v Speaker 2>the other side and they were all in a circle,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were holding an image, like a holographic image

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<v Speaker 2>of the Earth, and it was just hovering in the

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<v Speaker 2>to it, and he said, they you know, these people

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<v Speaker 2>are working on protecting the Earth right now from some

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<v Speaker 2>of the excess energy and stress going on. I had

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<v Speaker 2>and I was vibrating and I said, what are they doing?

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, these people are spending their dream time

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<v Speaker 2>working on their anger issues. So they're trying to project

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<v Speaker 2>releasing and healing it. And I don't know, just reading

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<v Speaker 2>should all learn to unite our altered conscious to build

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<v Speaker 2>holographic patterns around sensitive areas. It just reminded me of

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<v Speaker 1>You know what it reminds me of is haven't actually

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this in a long time. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>that I've been consistent in practicing it. But when we

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<v Speaker 1>were first introduced to the term light worker, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I found remember was an organization that

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<v Speaker 1>exact name of it, and they invited participants to hold

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<v Speaker 1>their fingers together, their thumbs pointing to each other and

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<v Speaker 1>their index fingers pointing to each other, so that they

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<v Speaker 1>formed a triangle with their fingers, and that you were

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<v Speaker 1>to do this every morning, and that people all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world were making the same motion, the same configuration

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<v Speaker 1>with their fingers, so that we would hold the planet

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<v Speaker 1>in a grid of light with our hands. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>I do remember you doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's time to revisit that, because that's when you

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<v Speaker 1>talked about people joining together to do things. Well, one

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, and how that might be something that we could

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<v Speaker 1>expand beyond what we do for each other. And although

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe with even more dedicated intention and this idea

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<v Speaker 1>of their anger and angst and whatever into a red

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<v Speaker 1>ball and do something with it, surely if other people

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<v Speaker 1>way to build a holographic pattern, as he calls it,

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<v Speaker 1>where we are bringing light and positive energy into the

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<v Speaker 1>planet exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember in those dream visitations my guide saying

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<v Speaker 2>anyone can do this. It requires nothing more than positive

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<v Speaker 2>intent and can assistant flow of strong, concentrated thought energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So then he says that the government should train participants

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<v Speaker 2>to build holographic patterns of successful attainment and progress to

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<v Speaker 2>assist them in progressing through the Gateway system. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of fancy words that are saying, I

435
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<v Speaker 2>don't know what basically that the government should train, you know,

436
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<v Speaker 2>people in this program to build these holographic patterns of

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<v Speaker 2>success of victory.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, you know, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, do you read something different in that sentence?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I found that really interesting. And again, yes,

442
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<v Speaker 2>this is for the CIA, but this is also for us.

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<v Speaker 2>And what if we trained ourselves to build holographic patterns

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<v Speaker 2>of successful attainment for ourselves. I mean, whether whether you

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<v Speaker 2>want to astral travel or see the past or see

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<v Speaker 2>the future or not. The main thing I took away

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<v Speaker 2>from this is that this is a great tool for

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<v Speaker 2>self knowledge, as he said, but also for problem solving

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<v Speaker 2>and manifesting.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, just I don't want to belabor this,

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<v Speaker 1>but one of the things that we are also taught

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<v Speaker 1>that is that there is no past, present, and future.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is all happening in the now. Yes, And so

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<v Speaker 1>where are we really going if we travel into the

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<v Speaker 1>pastor into the future. What does that really mean? And

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<v Speaker 1>that's a whole other layer that I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>we can go into, but something to ponder. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, something I found interesting on page twenty four of

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<v Speaker 2>the report, he quotes from Alexandra David Neil. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if longtime listeners will remember we did a show

462
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<v Speaker 2>on her. I think I did it with my daughter Olivia,

463
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<v Speaker 2>I'm told, and she actually went to Tibet I believe

464
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<v Speaker 2>it was in the nineteen twenties, and she wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>book about how she was taught by the Tibetans to

466
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<v Speaker 2>use the power of her mind, her imagination, and her

467
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<v Speaker 2>thoughts to create a tulpa, which is a self created

468
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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to create. And she created that little monk,

469
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<v Speaker 2>remember I do, And then he got kind of mean

470
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<v Speaker 2>and she had to learn to reincorporate her into her

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<v Speaker 2>conscience to dissolve him. Right, That's a fascinating book. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought it was so wild that in this

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<v Speaker 2>CIA report Alexander David Neil came up. So he quotes

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<v Speaker 2>from her. He also quotes from Hindu sutras in other

475
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<v Speaker 2>sacred texts, all in an effort to show that this

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge does not go against any teachings from any religion.

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<v Speaker 2>But just as he's doing that, the last line of

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<v Speaker 2>the page reads, the eternal thought or concept of self,

479
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<v Speaker 2>which results from this self consciousness serves the and then

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<v Speaker 2>the next page of the report is missing. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I found that interesting that as he's talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>this technique of meditating and balancing and synchronizing both parts

483
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<v Speaker 2>of your brain and learning to connect deeper within for

484
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<v Speaker 2>manifesting problem solving, but also contacting higher beings. He's using

485
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<v Speaker 2>all these sacred texts from all these different religions to

486
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<v Speaker 2>show that it really does not go against any of

487
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<v Speaker 2>their core teachings. That page was removed.

488
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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there's always been pushback. I mean, in all the

490
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<v Speaker 2>episodes we've researched for, you know, disclosure of what's happening

491
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<v Speaker 2>with these UFOs, you WAPs, you will often see it's

492
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<v Speaker 2>there's a strong, strong majority in Congress and Senate who

493
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<v Speaker 2>use religion as a as a reason to squelch disclosure.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if you read this report front to back,

495
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<v Speaker 2>as deb and I have done, you'll see that he

496
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<v Speaker 2>talks about how the uh, the misconceptions about religions and

497
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<v Speaker 2>how all of this stuff that's involved in the Gateway

498
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<v Speaker 2>experience has been considered a cultish is really incorrect, that

499
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<v Speaker 2>it's that it's just ancient truths.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think that kind of suppression has been

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen it many times in many places. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>surprise me that it would be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's about it's about control and and so if

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<v Speaker 2>if we have all the truth and all the knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>then then who can control us? That's right, So let's

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<v Speaker 2>take a quick break and when we come back we

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<v Speaker 2>will talk about the missing page and how it was

508
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<v Speaker 2>eventually discovered.

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<v Speaker 1>So, folks, Samantha and I really do here, as we

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<v Speaker 1>are heading towards our fifteenth anniversary, say a deep thank

511
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<v Speaker 1>you to all of you for being a part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Psychic Teacher's family. We just want to remind you

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<v Speaker 1>that there are many ways in which you can connect

514
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<v Speaker 1>with us our websites or individuals. So Samantha is Samantha

515
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<v Speaker 1>Fay dot com, mineus Debbowen dot com. We have a

516
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<v Speaker 1>Psychic Teacher's Facebook page. We both put out free newsletters,

517
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<v Speaker 1>We teach a lot of different classes. Samantha has wonderful

518
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<v Speaker 1>products and services on her website as well, and we

519
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>both have e booklets and so forth. So there are

520
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<v Speaker 1>lots of ways in which you can learn even more

521
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.240
<v Speaker 1>about your psychic self and the world around you from

522
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<v Speaker 1>connecting with us in two or three different ways. So again,

523
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<v Speaker 1>our websites are Samantha Fay dot com and Debbowen dot com.

524
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<v Speaker 2>And we're so excited to celebrate our anniversary show because

525
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<v Speaker 2>our dear friend Joel is coming on. He's going to

526
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<v Speaker 2>be talking about crystals and how he and dev met

527
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<v Speaker 2>and it's going to be a blast. I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Me too, Me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's get back to the show. So the page

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<v Speaker 2>where he's just getting into how all of this is

531
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<v Speaker 2>really in line with what religion teaches went missing. For years.

532
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<v Speaker 2>People were filing foyer request asking for the missing page,

533
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<v Speaker 2>all to no avail until four years ago when a

534
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<v Speaker 2>writer for Vice received the missing page. So, this writer

535
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<v Speaker 2>for Vice Online had written this great article about the

536
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<v Speaker 2>Gateway process about this report, and had talked at length

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<v Speaker 2>towards the end to the article about this missing page,

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<v Speaker 2>and it got a lot of feedback, and the Monroe

539
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<v Speaker 2>Institute reached out to him and said it been that

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<v Speaker 2>missing page had been at the Monroe Institute all these years.

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<v Speaker 2>People have been asking the CIA to release it, but

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<v Speaker 2>never thought to check with the Monroe Institute. Wow, I know,

543
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<v Speaker 2>but it makes me wonder why was it missing in

544
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<v Speaker 2>the first place. You know, there is that. Yeah, the

545
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<v Speaker 2>missing page continues about this suppression of this information because

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<v Speaker 2>of religious stuff, to say, the eternal thought or concept

547
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<v Speaker 2>of self, which results from this self consciousness serves the absolute,

548
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<v Speaker 2>which is his word for infinity or all that is,

549
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<v Speaker 2>as the model around which evolution of time space revolves

550
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<v Speaker 2>to ultimately attain reflection of and union with God. This model,

551
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<v Speaker 2>he explains, fits the Christian description of the Holy Spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes on to say that this figure of the

553
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<v Speaker 2>universe of creation developing an evolution is found in virtually

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<v Speaker 2>every religious system of antiquity, whether Western or Eastern. Whether

555
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<v Speaker 2>it's the stylized labyrinth once popular in the Hellenistic world,

556
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<v Speaker 2>the spiralized version of the Hebrew Tree of Life or

557
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<v Speaker 2>its Hindu counterpart, or the Chinese spirl through the fourfold Powers,

558
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<v Speaker 2>the ultimate meaning is the same. Mystics throughout the world

559
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<v Speaker 2>and down through the ages have perceived the Universal Hologram

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<v Speaker 2>in the same spiral form. The missing Page goes on

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<v Speaker 2>to explain that even though these ideas other are the same,

562
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<v Speaker 2>modern thought today is filtering these explanations of the universe

563
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<v Speaker 2>through our left brain linear quantitative style of reasoning, whereas

564
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<v Speaker 2>religions have always filtered this information through the right brain intuitive,

565
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<v Speaker 2>holistic side. He then says that when we can explore

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<v Speaker 2>the universal Hologram and this way we release ourselves from

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<v Speaker 2>the prison of subjectivity.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what came to mind as you were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the connection among the different beliefs is that that

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<v Speaker 1>we have so many different ways of connecting rather than separating.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody who has taken my to rogue class knows that

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<v Speaker 1>I talk ad nauseum about the connection and the similarities

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<v Speaker 1>amongst so many world beliefs, cultures, and mythologies. And here

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<v Speaker 1>it is again, Yeah, here it is again.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this made me think of the Labyrinth. It

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<v Speaker 2>made me think of reiki with the choku ra symbol.

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<v Speaker 2>It made me think of one of my favorite books,

578
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<v Speaker 2>The Interior Castle, where she describes this spiral castle formation

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<v Speaker 2>of the different rooms you have to go to, spiraling

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<v Speaker 2>into the center of the core of.

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<v Speaker 1>Who you are, on and on and on it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really really does. And it also made me

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<v Speaker 2>think about how we have gone from this industrial age

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<v Speaker 2>to this age of reasoning, to this age of AI

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<v Speaker 2>and all this tech stuff that we're in now. Where

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<v Speaker 2>is the room for our right brain? Where is the

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<v Speaker 2>the honoring and celebrating of holistic, creative ways of seeing

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<v Speaker 2>the world. Science really has dictated so much of how

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<v Speaker 2>we see ourselves in the world around us for the

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<v Speaker 2>last century or so, wouldn't you agree?

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<v Speaker 1>I would agree with that. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I have been doing lately is writing in longhand on

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<v Speaker 1>an old factioned yellow legal pand And I'm doing that

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<v Speaker 1>partly partly in rebellion against the modern world of technology,

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<v Speaker 1>and also partly because that's one of the ways your

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<v Speaker 1>brain remembers. Is your hand works with your brain to

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<v Speaker 1>help you remember things and to work together, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a creative connection there that is different than sitting and

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<v Speaker 1>typing on a computer. I think that if we can

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<v Speaker 1>can find ways in which we can live outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the technology world, we do better at that deep connection.

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<v Speaker 1>The spring is coming. What better way than to get

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<v Speaker 1>your hands in the dirt, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, Yeah, that's so true. No, but they've proven that

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<v Speaker 2>writing you with your actual hand instead of typing really

606
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<v Speaker 2>does help strengthen your right brain absolutely. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>that because when I was in school, that's the only

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<v Speaker 2>way I could study. I would take my class notes

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<v Speaker 2>and the notes I took from textbook reading, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would rewrite those notes over and over again, and then

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<v Speaker 2>when I got to the test, I would remember where

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<v Speaker 2>those words were on the paper. Do you remember doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>You could close your eyes and see your notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And that's because it was getting stored into my

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<v Speaker 2>right brain, the creative visualization side, just from the act

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<v Speaker 2>of writing it down too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly how I studied.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really appreciate where he says we release ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>from the prison of subjectivity, because what he's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>say in this whole report is that our left brain

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<v Speaker 2>is so subjective, and it is constantly comparing anything, any stimuli,

622
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<v Speaker 2>any experience, any opportunity, any person that is coming at us.

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<v Speaker 2>It compares it to previous knowledge, to previous people, to

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<v Speaker 2>previous experiences. That's the only way the left brain knows

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<v Speaker 2>how to filter and make sense of the different things

626
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<v Speaker 2>we're encountering. It is completely subjective to our past experiences,

627
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<v Speaker 2>whereas the right brain is totally objective. And so that's

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<v Speaker 2>why he's seeing. When you live primarily from a left

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<v Speaker 2>brain way of seeing the world, you are subjugated to it,

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<v Speaker 2>to your past, to your beliefs, to your thoughts. Whereas

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<v Speaker 2>when you allow your right brain more free reiin, you

632
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<v Speaker 2>open yourselves up to so much more, so much more healing,

633
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<v Speaker 2>so much more possibility, so much more problem solving, so

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<v Speaker 2>much more insight and inspiration and intuition, and you allow

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<v Speaker 2>yourself to connect with the absolute, to God, to the universe,

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<v Speaker 2>however you want to say that, so that you can

637
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<v Speaker 2>get that love and comfort and help that you're seeking.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Samantha, there are topics and concepts in the

639
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<v Speaker 1>world that I can't began to grasp in my cognitive mind.

640
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<v Speaker 1>And there are concepts that I'm not sure I believe

641
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<v Speaker 1>even if I did sort of understand them, And that's okay.

642
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<v Speaker 1>What's important is that there is within me this ability

643
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<v Speaker 1>I'm grateful for where I can say I don't know

644
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<v Speaker 1>what I think about that or how I feel about that,

645
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<v Speaker 1>but I'm open to learning and hearing about it. And

646
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.599
<v Speaker 1>that's and that's what your right brain does, is it

647
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.920
<v Speaker 1>helps you to be open the ideas that are foreign

648
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<v Speaker 1>to you. And you may not your left brain may say,

649
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:26.960
<v Speaker 1>oh no, you're not going to accept that or whatever,

650
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:28.719
<v Speaker 1>and there may be this discussion going on in your

651
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.679
<v Speaker 1>brain about that, but at least you have an awareness

652
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:34.280
<v Speaker 1>that there's more than one way of looking at the world.

653
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<v Speaker 2>That's key to everything.

654
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:37.119
<v Speaker 1>You know.

655
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.559
<v Speaker 2>I was stopped by a neighbor a couple of weeks

656
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<v Speaker 2>ago who said, I saw your book in Barnes Noble.

657
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.079
<v Speaker 2>I was going to get it, but I'm afraid.

658
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, I'm sorry.

659
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:50.000
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, what do you mean you're afraid

660
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.760
<v Speaker 2>and she was like, well, I'm afraid to encounter my

661
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:57.679
<v Speaker 2>guides and angels. Oh boy, yeah. And I thought, wow,

662
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:01.880
<v Speaker 2>if you're afraid of angels, what else are you afraid of?

663
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.840
<v Speaker 1>You know? I mean, I want to call me up.

664
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.519
<v Speaker 1>I could talk talk to about talking to the ark angel, Michael,

665
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:08.400
<v Speaker 1>come on.

666
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.599
<v Speaker 2>So then he says that the old adage to first

667
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:18.679
<v Speaker 2>know thyself really is the ultimate truth. He says that

668
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:21.679
<v Speaker 2>in our modern world we tend to look to personality

669
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.719
<v Speaker 2>test and personal psychology to commune with our true self,

670
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:30.599
<v Speaker 2>but he says these won't work. No personality test will

671
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:34.840
<v Speaker 2>ever replace the depth and fullness of the perception of self,

672
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:39.079
<v Speaker 2>which can be achieved through these altered states of consciousness.

673
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<v Speaker 2>I just found that really interesting because we have so

674
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<v Speaker 2>many personality tests. You know, what's your human design, what's

675
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:51.159
<v Speaker 2>your love language, what's your what's the I n f

676
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:52.360
<v Speaker 2>D score or.

677
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Whatever that originally actually it's the Myers Briggs Myers Brigg,

678
00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.039
<v Speaker 1>but it came from young Actually.

679
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.280
<v Speaker 2>We do have all of these tests and they're fun

680
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:04.639
<v Speaker 2>and interesting to take and look at and examine. But

681
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:08.199
<v Speaker 2>I think he's right that the only way you can

682
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:12.000
<v Speaker 2>really really know yourself is not I don't know if

683
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:15.519
<v Speaker 2>it's through altered states of consciousness, but I do think

684
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:19.519
<v Speaker 2>it's through taking serious time outs in your life to

685
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 2>really be honest with yourself, to look within, to not

686
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.239
<v Speaker 2>be afraid to face what are your successes and what

687
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:35.960
<v Speaker 2>are your failures? What makes you amazing and what maybe

688
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:39.519
<v Speaker 2>makes you not so amazing, And when we can really

689
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:43.800
<v Speaker 2>look at ourselves with all the beauty and all the

690
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:47.280
<v Speaker 2>faults as well, I really do think that's when we

691
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:51.639
<v Speaker 2>start to understand not only who we are, but what

692
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.679
<v Speaker 2>our place is in this beautiful world as well.

693
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<v Speaker 1>Just be open to the possibilities of what you may

694
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 1>have never thought of felt of before.

695
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, and really think about what it is that

696
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 2>you want and how can you get there, Because if

697
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:16.119
<v Speaker 2>you do want to be more intuitive, this is a

698
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:21.159
<v Speaker 2>way to get there. This is one path to achieve that.

699
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.880
<v Speaker 2>It's not the only path, it's just one we wanted

700
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.320
<v Speaker 2>to introduce to you. You know, when I was thinking

701
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.239
<v Speaker 2>about doing the show, I called you, deb and I

702
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:32.519
<v Speaker 2>was like, I think listeners would really appreciate this because

703
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:35.440
<v Speaker 2>it's a different way to look at meditation. And you

704
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 2>and I started talking about other forms of meditation we

705
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.840
<v Speaker 2>haven't covered on the show very much, and one of

706
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:46.039
<v Speaker 2>those was the Silva Mind method. It's a way to

707
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.800
<v Speaker 2>help you get into that alpha brain wave state that

708
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Speaker 2>is needed for a lot of intuition and inner thinking.

709
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.639
<v Speaker 2>Where did that go? Remember when that was everywhere in

710
00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 2>the seventies, eighties and nineties.

711
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<v Speaker 1>Well, do I remember? That was one of the things

712
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:05.320
<v Speaker 1>that the first psychic I saw, since she was big

713
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 1>and a silver mine work, and really recommended that I

714
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:10.840
<v Speaker 1>do some research on it. And of course at that time,

715
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:13.320
<v Speaker 1>there was no such thing as that being available where

716
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.840
<v Speaker 1>we live. But I think eventually it did come and

717
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it was used as a maybe a tutorial

718
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:21.719
<v Speaker 1>program for kids in school. I'm not quite sure.

719
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was, and they were trained, like you could

720
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:27.559
<v Speaker 2>get trained in the silver Mine method. I remember there

721
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.280
<v Speaker 2>was someone up in about two hours up the road

722
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.960
<v Speaker 2>from us who was trained and was teaching seminars on it.

723
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I got the cassette tapes back then had. I remember

724
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:42.159
<v Speaker 2>listening to them Jose Silva, I got his book. It

725
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:46.519
<v Speaker 2>never really resonated with me the way Hemisinc Does. But

726
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:49.360
<v Speaker 2>I still explored it and found it interesting and helpful.

727
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And you know, you don't have to believe everything

728
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:53.760
<v Speaker 1>you check on. I mean, you just still but it's

729
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:56.480
<v Speaker 1>nice to know about it. And I still think that

730
00:44:56.599 --> 00:44:59.320
<v Speaker 1>it would be an interesting for nothing else for my

731
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:02.119
<v Speaker 1>historical perspective, because I don't know whether or not it's

732
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:05.599
<v Speaker 1>still functioning. But at some point we will do a

733
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.400
<v Speaker 1>show on the silver mind control process.

734
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Is it similar to is it NLP?

735
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't now. I know about NLP because I have

736
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:19.079
<v Speaker 1>some training in LP. That's neural linguistic programming, and that's

737
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.760
<v Speaker 1>a different mind, different process.

738
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 2>What does that involve?

739
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Neural Linguistic programming is basically the concept that we come

740
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:35.920
<v Speaker 1>into a lifetime already kind of pre wired to communicate

741
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 1>in certain ways, and that there are physical movements, there

742
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:48.440
<v Speaker 1>are eye movements, there are languages that we speak that

743
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:54.039
<v Speaker 1>clue us into the best way to communicate with someone else.

744
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:57.320
<v Speaker 1>For example, how many times have you heard me say,

745
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.119
<v Speaker 1>if you really have something important to tell me, sing it?

746
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:03.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how many times have I said that on

747
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:07.840
<v Speaker 1>the show a lot. That's because my primary communication tool

748
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>is auditory. I hear far better than I see. They're

749
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:17.880
<v Speaker 1>three or four basic parts of NLP, and mine is auditory.

750
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I probably could not tell somebody what you look like. Physically,

751
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I could not describe you, But you put me in

752
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:27.280
<v Speaker 1>a room with one hundred people and let me listen

753
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:28.719
<v Speaker 1>to a tape of a voice that I could pick

754
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:29.480
<v Speaker 1>you out in a second.

755
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:35.039
<v Speaker 2>So does NLP work on that skill and then enhances it.

756
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 1>It does. For example, if you and I and one

757
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:40.239
<v Speaker 1>of the ways that was used in business. And I

758
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:42.639
<v Speaker 1>won't labor this for long, but if you and I

759
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:46.119
<v Speaker 1>were working together in a business and I'm primarily an

760
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.159
<v Speaker 1>auditory communicator and you're a visual communicator, and we're trying

761
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.840
<v Speaker 1>to come up with a plan for something, and I

762
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:56.440
<v Speaker 1>keep saying to you, Samantha, listened to me, can you

763
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:58.920
<v Speaker 1>hear this? From my perspective? It sounds to me like

764
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm using my language. But if I say to you,

765
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>if you're a visual person, and I say to you, Samantha,

766
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.199
<v Speaker 1>can you look at it this way? It appears to

767
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.840
<v Speaker 1>me that where we're going here is watch this. Now.

768
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:13.239
<v Speaker 1>I've spoken in it entirely, I've said the same thing,

769
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:15.000
<v Speaker 1>but in two different languages.

770
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh that is interesting.

771
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:20.000
<v Speaker 1>It is. It really works. I used to use it

772
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:20.960
<v Speaker 1>with my students a lot.

773
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I want to read my favorite line from this

774
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 2>whole long report, and I want to hear what you

775
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:29.840
<v Speaker 2>think about it.

776
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

777
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.920
<v Speaker 2>He says, when a person experiences the out of body's state,

778
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:40.559
<v Speaker 2>he is in fact projecting that eternal spark of consciousness

779
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:45.280
<v Speaker 2>and memory, which constitutes the ultimate source of her identity,

780
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:50.440
<v Speaker 2>to let it play and learn from dimensions both inside

781
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:54.599
<v Speaker 2>and outside the time space world in which our physical

782
00:47:54.639 --> 00:48:01.280
<v Speaker 2>component currently enjoys a short period of reality. So I

783
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:05.079
<v Speaker 2>love that because it's talking about how this lifetime that

784
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:09.000
<v Speaker 2>we're existing in right now is just a short period

785
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:13.280
<v Speaker 2>of reality and then we go back to infinity. I

786
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.880
<v Speaker 2>also love that he refers to us all as eternal

787
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:22.639
<v Speaker 2>sparks of consciousness and that really this is about playing

788
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:27.320
<v Speaker 2>and learning, And I think I think sometimes we forget

789
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.000
<v Speaker 2>that that we're here to learn, but we're also here

790
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:31.559
<v Speaker 2>to play and have fun.

791
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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the most important thing you've said. I

792
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:38.119
<v Speaker 1>think that's the most important thing in this whole thing

793
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:42.719
<v Speaker 1>is learning to find joy in the world. That when

794
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 1>when we have a sense of play and we approach

795
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:49.719
<v Speaker 1>the world from a joyous perspective, regardless of whether we're

796
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:53.239
<v Speaker 1>in the past, the present, of the future, the whatever

797
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:57.719
<v Speaker 1>we're doing, play really is a wonderful, wonderful gift.

798
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know you've heard that for beginner's luck. Yeah,

799
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:06.760
<v Speaker 2>the research they've done on that is absolutely intriguing. One

800
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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why you have beginner's luck is because

801
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:14.239
<v Speaker 2>you're approaching it from an attitude of play. So if

802
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:16.880
<v Speaker 2>you've never picked up a tennis racket, you're like, oh,

803
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:20.199
<v Speaker 2>this could be fun, and you pick it up, and

804
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.239
<v Speaker 2>you toss the ball and you strike it beautifully. Maybe

805
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:26.679
<v Speaker 2>your backhand is amazing and you're like, oh wow. And

806
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.920
<v Speaker 2>then that's when the left bring kicks in and you're like, okay,

807
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.000
<v Speaker 2>how can I repeat that? I need to do that again,

808
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:33.639
<v Speaker 2>and I need to learn this and I need to

809
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:36.840
<v Speaker 2>improve that, and then the beginner's luck ends. The other

810
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<v Speaker 2>reason they say that beginner's luck works is because you

811
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:43.440
<v Speaker 2>don't have a point of reference to compare it to.

812
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:46.719
<v Speaker 2>So it's not like your left brain is saying, oh,

813
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not good at tennis. You don't know if you're

814
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:49.920
<v Speaker 2>good at tennis or not.

815
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, see for somebody who once played tennis one time

816
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.079
<v Speaker 1>and I had no concept whatsoever. I still don't. Tennis

817
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:00.599
<v Speaker 1>makes no sense to me, But my did. I appreciate

818
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<v Speaker 1>the fact that when the quote game it wasn't much

819
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:07.119
<v Speaker 1>of a game was over, my score was love and

820
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:09.719
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was really nice.

821
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<v Speaker 2>That is very nice. You know, I really have gotten

822
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<v Speaker 2>in the last I don't know, five years, I've really

823
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<v Speaker 2>really gotten back into yoga and it's just been a

824
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:24.880
<v Speaker 2>beautiful outlet for me for my body mind. Ansel and

825
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:26.960
<v Speaker 2>a couple of people have said to me, Oh, you

826
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 2>should get your yoga teacher training. You'd be really good

827
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.440
<v Speaker 2>at that. And I was like, no, because they want

828
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:36.239
<v Speaker 2>to always be a student of yoga. That's just my

829
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 2>personal feeling, because that allows me to play right, whereas

830
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:46.519
<v Speaker 2>when I'm the teacher, that energy of play goes away.

831
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<v Speaker 2>And I think you would have to bring that same

832
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<v Speaker 2>attitude and energy of play and trust and self knowledge

833
00:50:58.159 --> 00:50:59.840
<v Speaker 2>to this form of meditation.

834
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I think you would have to to.

835
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:04.679
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying like play with it, like, oh,

836
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:07.559
<v Speaker 2>let me play with projecting my consciousness out of my body.

837
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't mean it that way, but I mean how

838
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<v Speaker 2>that that word play to me implies trust, openness, and

839
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:17.800
<v Speaker 2>fun and.

840
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I in a sense of wonder.

841
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly. So I think that no matter you know,

842
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:30.559
<v Speaker 2>what religion or belief system that you ascribe to, the

843
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Gateway experience is a really really valuable tool to help

844
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:39.800
<v Speaker 2>you understand yourself, the collective conscious, and how to learn

845
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:43.039
<v Speaker 2>from one another and then take that wisdom back to

846
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:47.039
<v Speaker 2>the absolute, allowing us, all of us to break free

847
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:49.599
<v Speaker 2>from our self induced prisons.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice summation, Thank you for that. You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think you're going to try some of this

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<v Speaker 2>Hemi Sink stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would be happy to try it. I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I think it might might take my meditation

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<v Speaker 1>practice to another level.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I do too. I bought these new headbands.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a headband that has the built in

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<v Speaker 2>headphones so you can listen to the Hemi Sink while

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<v Speaker 2>you're falling asleep, because some of the meditations are designed

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<v Speaker 2>for you to listen to while you're falling asleep. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm definitely gonna do that. And then I think I

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<v Speaker 2>am going to try to go up to Virginia and

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<v Speaker 2>do one of the week long programs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I might have to wait till my youngest graduates college,

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<v Speaker 2>because let me tell you, they're not cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>Noo.

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<v Speaker 2>If you could achieve all of that in seven days.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, and I say, you're turning it into work. How

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<v Speaker 1>so achieve do this in seven days?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't well what he said that only five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of graduates achieve Focus fifteen, which is time traveled to

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<v Speaker 2>the past in the seven day pro Graham, and he

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<v Speaker 2>acted like only seven percent or five percent. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>five percent in seven days learning out of time travel.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. Indeed, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>What else, Sabatha, I think that's everything. Do you feel less?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the word is. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>last time we discussed this, you were feeling a little

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelmed by all the information, all the quantum physics.

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I mean, Samantha's telling you all the truth

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<v Speaker 1>when she said, I said, Smatha, you've got stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't do this and this needs to be two parts.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was because I was on such overload with

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<v Speaker 1>trying to absorb the material and the intent of the material,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know I'm not always excited about talking about

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that has to do with spooky government stuff, so

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<v Speaker 1>I was pretty resistant to the idea of so much

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<v Speaker 1>overload last week. This week, you've done a beautiful job

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<v Speaker 1>of taking me into something that seems fun and realistic

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<v Speaker 1>and probable and possible.

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<v Speaker 2>So thanks Magical We need to remember the magic that

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<v Speaker 2>exists within us and all around us.

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<v Speaker 1>This true good point.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you guys so much for listening. We hope

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<v Speaker 2>you have a wonderful week in your body or out

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<v Speaker 2>of your body. Remember as always, to be the light

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<v Speaker 2>for yourself and others.

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<v Speaker 1>Take care everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for listening to Psychic Teachers, your podcast for seekers,

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