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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Gus up the duck boats. Let me tell you this

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<v Speaker 2>is a much better team than you might expect, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>gus up the duck boats. My name is Dan Ray,

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<v Speaker 2>the eternal Optimist. Here spring springs tomorrow. Bro. When is

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<v Speaker 2>the official start of spring? Do you have a time

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<v Speaker 2>on that? I think it's I think tonight's the last

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<v Speaker 2>night of spring. See if you can find me an

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<v Speaker 2>official time on that, because maybe if it happens during

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<v Speaker 2>our show, I want to introduce it to everybody and

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<v Speaker 2>welcome spring. Thank god, winter is finally over, although we

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<v Speaker 2>might get some snow this weekend. Good evening everyone. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Dan Ray, im the host of Nightside. We

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<v Speaker 2>get down in business now. Rob Brooks is back in

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<v Speaker 2>the control room. He's checking out exactly when spring arrives

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday tomorrow morning, five oh one am. So I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>basically take you to midnight and you run your own

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<v Speaker 2>after that and five hours in one minute tomorrow morning,

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<v Speaker 2>you will have spring. You'll wake up and you'll just

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<v Speaker 2>feel different. Tomorrow morning. Everything will be perfect. Everything will

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<v Speaker 2>be perfect. Winter's overspring is here. Okay, good got that

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<v Speaker 2>taken care of. We have some really good guests coming

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<v Speaker 2>up in the eight o'clock hour. No phone calls in

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<v Speaker 2>the eight o'clock hour. Already mentioned. Rob is back in

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<v Speaker 2>the control room at the Big Broadcast Center. He's all

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<v Speaker 2>set to make sure everything goes perfectly. I'm all set

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to four guests. We will talk at nine

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock tonight about the termination of Massachusetts State Police Trooper

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<v Speaker 2>Detective Michael Proctor. He was the lead investigator of the

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<v Speaker 2>Karen Reid case and he messed up, and as a consequence,

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<v Speaker 2>he has been terminated by the Massachusetts State Police for

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<v Speaker 2>a number of things. We'll get into all of those,

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<v Speaker 2>but it all involved his investigation of Karen Reid and

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<v Speaker 2>some texts that he sent and some things that were

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<v Speaker 2>in writing on his phone, and we'll get into all

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<v Speaker 2>of that. At ten o'clock tonight, we will have the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity and the privilege of talking with Israeli Consul General

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<v Speaker 2>to New England, Benny SHARONI. We're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>what is going on in the Middle East and specifically

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<v Speaker 2>between Israel and Gaza. And then if we get to it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope we do, I'm going to be pretty

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<v Speaker 2>critical of the Trump administration. And I may be off base,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think I'm on solid footing a wrongful deportation

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<v Speaker 2>out of Texas, which I'm still working on. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure we have this right. But I'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that. If not tonight, we'll talk about it tomorrow night.

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<v Speaker 2>First off, we're going to welcome Ellen Alden. Ellen deals

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<v Speaker 2>with managing long COVID. She was a victim of it herself.

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<v Speaker 2>She was recommended to us by one of our producers.

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<v Speaker 2>If you will down to the cape, my good friend

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<v Speaker 2>Larry and I want to welcome Ellen Alden, the founder

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<v Speaker 2>of Less Stress Studios. Ellen, welcome to Night Side.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>So how long did you deal or are you still

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with long COVID.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I've got COVID the initial infection in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 3>so it was almost three years before I really started

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<v Speaker 3>to feel you know, better, and you know, recovery. It's

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<v Speaker 3>hard to say just because there are really no biometrics

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<v Speaker 3>for it. But I know I can work, I know

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<v Speaker 3>I can travel, I know I can do the things

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<v Speaker 3>that I like to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, Okay, so were you in effect because long COVID

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<v Speaker 2>is a real thing, and it affects a lot of people. Seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked last week about it with Julie Sullivan from

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<v Speaker 2>the from Brigham Mass General, Brighams or Brigham Mass General.

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<v Speaker 2>They keep changing the names of that particular group. Julie

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<v Speaker 2>runs the recovery from Long Covid. There. You're doing this

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<v Speaker 2>a little differently on the cape. Tell us about because

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<v Speaker 2>of your experience you then took I guess the experience

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<v Speaker 2>that you had learned kind of learned as you went along,

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<v Speaker 2>and you now have found a studio called less stress studio.

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<v Speaker 2>And I assume applying some of the lessons you learned

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<v Speaker 2>to help others men and women who want to somehow

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<v Speaker 2>get out from underneath the shadow of Long COVID.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, when I couldn't find any.

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<v Speaker 2>About that, things happened. Don't worry about those. No no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no no no no no no no, no, you go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry for the interruption.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very good.

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<v Speaker 3>I was saying, you know, when I couldn't find answers

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<v Speaker 3>in the medical you know, I tried it at I

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<v Speaker 3>went down to Mount Sinai in a lot of different places.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there just aren't any right now. Treatments or cures,

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<v Speaker 3>although they're working on them.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>So I had to do things that I could do

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<v Speaker 3>for myself, you know, and luckily I was. I have

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<v Speaker 3>I'm certified in mindfulness based stress reduction. So I implemented

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<v Speaker 3>some breathing techniques, you know, I meditated every day, some

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<v Speaker 3>this thing called bagel toning. So I really calmed my

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<v Speaker 3>own nervous system down, because it affects every system in

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<v Speaker 3>our autonomic nervous system. But being able to control that control,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the thoughts that were coming in the uncertainty,

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<v Speaker 3>not to say that, you know, my metal health didn't

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<v Speaker 3>get affected, because when you're stuck with something and you're

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<v Speaker 3>in bed, and you know, your life changes so drastically

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<v Speaker 3>because I also the brain fog and you think, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>people are just probably a little you know, a little foggy,

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<v Speaker 3>but it turns out it's really debilitating. Like I couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>was a writer, So it was, you know, affected so

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<v Speaker 3>much of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>So would we say long covid Okay, I know you've

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<v Speaker 2>just described long COVID. Does long COVID come in a

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<v Speaker 2>variety of forms? Or is long COVID the same for

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<v Speaker 2>everyone who is impacted by it, or are there different

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<v Speaker 2>manifestations of long COVID in different people?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's you know, I work at the doing some

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<v Speaker 3>stuff for Brigham too with Julie, and there are five

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred people or so in that program. Everybody has

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<v Speaker 3>a different case. It's almost like the virus goes in

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<v Speaker 3>and it finds the vulnerabilities of the people and will

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<v Speaker 3>affect them. So I guess there are two hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two different symptoms that people can have. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>really but you know, they're but they're debilitating. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, reader, write for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>And I assume that when you when you think, you said,

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<v Speaker 2>what one hundred and two hundred and how many symptoms are.

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<v Speaker 3>There of COVID J and twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so if you take all sorts of permutations, mathematical

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<v Speaker 2>permutations of that, if if someone had symptom one sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty three, their experience might be different from the

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<v Speaker 2>person who had system one hundred and six, one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and twelve and two of two. So it's It's almost

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<v Speaker 2>astronomical the number of potential types of long COVID that

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<v Speaker 2>might exist if you have all the symptoms or just

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<v Speaker 2>some of the symptoms. So what do you do at

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<v Speaker 2>less stress studios? Do people come to you and say

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<v Speaker 2>help me? I assume that's what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, and it's called stressless studios, not that it's

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<v Speaker 3>that big a deal, but if anyone was trying to

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<v Speaker 3>look it up, that's what it stressed.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Okay, fine, I see it both ways on my

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<v Speaker 2>promotional sheet here, so no problem, that's we got to

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<v Speaker 2>write stress less studios. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And so when people want to work with me and

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<v Speaker 3>kind of do the things that I did to that

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<v Speaker 3>worked for me to get out of you know, long COVID,

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<v Speaker 3>which you know was the coming of nervous system and

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<v Speaker 3>also the brain training called in the processing therapy, then yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they call me up. I work remotely. I'm actually in

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<v Speaker 3>Manchester by the sea and on the cape, although I

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<v Speaker 3>do know Larry, no problem and yeah no and so

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<v Speaker 3>yeah so he so, so that's what they do. They

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<v Speaker 3>I do workshops with people on those particular things I

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<v Speaker 3>coach working one on one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you do group things, you do one on one.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously you're not doing this for your health, as I

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<v Speaker 2>assume cost involved. Let me ask you the tough question.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this sort of a therapy that you have developed

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<v Speaker 2>or do you have medical degrees into a training to

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<v Speaker 2>back it up? Or is this just this is what

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<v Speaker 2>worked for me. If you want me to share it

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<v Speaker 2>with you, I'll share it with you. Tell me which

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to make sure my audience understands.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh. Absolutely, So I use the you know, the different

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<v Speaker 3>they're mostly the Eastern techniques from my mindfulness based stress

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<v Speaker 3>reduction program which I took at Brown University. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>very hard program. And then the breath you know coaching.

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<v Speaker 3>I just became a breath coach. And then also the

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<v Speaker 3>pain reprocessing therapy. I am certified in that. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>why I can teach that I want.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I want people to know and you know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what they're getting into. Now. The best way that

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<v Speaker 2>Manchestered by the Sea. This is all done you said remotely,

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<v Speaker 2>So you're talking about Zoom one on ones or group

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, yes, that is all on zoom call calls. And

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<v Speaker 3>also I have a free support group as well, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they can just catch it. And it's not for everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>It's definitely an alternative. But what I liked is in

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<v Speaker 3>how I originally started, is something that you can do

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<v Speaker 3>for yourself even while you're being treated by the medical system,

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<v Speaker 3>just because you know, it's hard to manage all of

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<v Speaker 2>And it's probably hard for people to get into the

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<v Speaker 2>that you can do it remotely, that's great. Let's have

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<v Speaker 2>the website. How can people most easily get in touch

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well it is stress dash Less dash studio dot.

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<v Speaker 2>Com, stress dash less dash Studios, Puerile.

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<v Speaker 3>Dot com studio No just no s just singular.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so stress dash less or I guess dash could

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<v Speaker 2>also be a hyphen studio dot com stress less studio

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<v Speaker 2>dot com with a couple of hyphens in there between

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<v Speaker 2>stress and less between less a studio. You could have

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<v Speaker 2>probably just put it all together there and it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>cause me any.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, that was ful. You did a great job with

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying. Ellen. Thanks very much for what you do,

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<v Speaker 2>and we want to thank Larry for directing her you

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<v Speaker 2>to us. We really do appreciate it. And I understand

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<v Speaker 2>what the last name Alden. You might have had some

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<v Speaker 2>four bears who came over in the Mayflower? Is that true?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, my husband did. Twelfth great grandfather.

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<v Speaker 2>What well, congratulations on that. Okay, we should talk to

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<v Speaker 2>him some night about the genealogy. Thank you, Ellen. Ellen

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<v Speaker 2>stress less studio dot com with a couple of hyphens

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<v Speaker 2>in there. Everyone, You'll find it. You'll find it. Thanks Ellen.

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<v Speaker 2>We get back. We're going to talk with a Washington

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<v Speaker 2>Post technical writer. Here's something that's really creepy, Alexa. Alexa

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<v Speaker 2>is getting creepier because Alexa will now tell Amazon everything

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back. We are going to talk with

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Post tech writer Shira. Welcome back to Nightside. How

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<v Speaker 4>I'm well, and it's Shira Shira.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was focused on the last name. I figured

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very second imagine. Sure, yes, thanks. So, look, I've

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<v Speaker 2>problem that you've taught, that you've written about in the

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, well, all of the voice activated assistance as they're called,

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<v Speaker 4>are changing a bit now with artificial intelligence, but the

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<v Speaker 4>way they worked for many years is you summon the

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<v Speaker 4>hey Alexa, and then there's a snippet of voice of

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<v Speaker 4>your voice that is sent to the cloud of that company,

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<v Speaker 4>and it kind of processes whatever you've asked it to do,

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<v Speaker 4>check the weather, play tailor Swiss songs, and then it

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<v Speaker 4>triggers that action. That's the very basic way. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>It looks a little bit like a phone tree, like

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<v Speaker 4>when you call customer service line, right, and then there's

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<v Speaker 4>this kind of escalating series of annoying, annoying, canned messages.

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<v Speaker 4>So Alex and Siri work a little bit like that

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<v Speaker 2>to play Taylor Swift songs. Is that possible as well?

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<v Speaker 2>So what now has happened is and I've heard this before,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think you've done some research on this. It

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, that is sometimes correct. So there's two things that

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<v Speaker 4>are happening. One is that you were right. Occasionally these

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<v Speaker 4>intend to activate them. There's not in the active mode

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<v Speaker 4>of activation. That's kind of a known problem. I will

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<v Speaker 2>That so there's no suggestion here, just so I to say,

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<v Speaker 2>there's really no suggestion here that it's not something that

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<v Speaker 4>I am not in a position to tell people what

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<v Speaker 4>But yes, I mean, look, the point of these voice

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<v Speaker 4>that may make people uncomfortable. And again, depending on how

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<v Speaker 4>the voice assistance, may record you without you intending to

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<v Speaker 4>be recorded, basically accidental activations. So again, whether that freaks

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<v Speaker 5>A person right right.

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<v Speaker 2>So what we're saying is this is not Big Brother

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<v Speaker 2>watching you. We have This is not another chapter of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four or all this Huxley or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It just shows that sometimes when we have these great conveniences,

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, for sure, for sure, with every with every convenience,

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<v Speaker 4>there comes a cost, and the cost of these voice

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<v Speaker 4>assistants is yes, sometimes they inadvertently record you without your knowledge.

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<v Speaker 4>And then the other, you know, larger, larger issue is

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<v Speaker 4>that by it is standard that is written into Alexa,

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<v Speaker 4>which is kind of the most aggressive of the voice assistance.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything you say, all the things that are recorded from

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<v Speaker 4>your home, from you asking for Taylor Swift songs or to.

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<v Speaker 2>Remind you Tailor Swift songs right.

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<v Speaker 4>Or not, yes, forgiving, that is all retained in Amazon's

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<v Speaker 4>cloud computer system forever. That is the standard approach that

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<v Speaker 2>Taken well, which gets to the point of then can

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<v Speaker 2>your voice, which you would like to think you own,

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<v Speaker 2>which we talked about a couple of nights ago, then

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<v Speaker 2>can be expertsropriated by some organization that could then use

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<v Speaker 2>your voice either for bad purposes or you might hear

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<v Speaker 2>your voice being used unknowingly on a commercial someday five

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<v Speaker 2>or ten years from now, and you say, my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I never did that commercial. But they were the snippets

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<v Speaker 2>of your voice, and if they felt it was the

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<v Speaker 2>unfriendly female voice, or a friendly male voice whatever. So, yeah, boy,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a lot to think about. Share I hear you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Look, I mean I think it's fun to think

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<v Speaker 4>that that Amazon is not going to like sell your

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<v Speaker 4>voice to some sort of con artist, right, who's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>tend to be your grandchild. But I think the risk here,

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<v Speaker 4>and then this is a standard risk for all these

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<v Speaker 4>technology companies, is that they collect as much data as

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<v Speaker 4>they possibly can, because nothing stops them from doing so. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>and whenever there is large amounts of data, it is

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<v Speaker 4>a honeypot for someone. It could be stolen by hackers.

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<v Speaker 4>It could be you know, either requested with a valid

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<v Speaker 4>legal warrant or maybe not by a government authority. It

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<v Speaker 4>could be used in ways that you cannot imagine. It

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<v Speaker 4>is also standard at these companies that they sometimes have

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<v Speaker 4>human beings listen to those recordings in order to see

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<v Speaker 4>if you know, transcription and things like that are accurate.

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<v Speaker 4>That is something else that when that's been reported on,

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<v Speaker 4>people freak out about that, and then I get.

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<v Speaker 2>That, well, that's okay. I think people should freak out

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<v Speaker 2>about more things, because look, I think it's fair to

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<v Speaker 2>will make sure that that's and in fact, the government

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<v Speaker 2>can't stop those six o'clock phone calls when people calling

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<v Speaker 2>your plumbing. I mean it's like those those those those

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<v Speaker 2>auto dialed calls when you say hello, and it takes

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen seconds for the person from where somewhere in the

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<v Speaker 2>Philippines to say, oh, well, good evening, Hello, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>And the government can't stop those either, so.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, well, I think the reality is again, the more

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<v Speaker 4>the Internet for people to steal or purchase or trade

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<v Speaker 4>in order to tailor scams right that that seem sophisticated

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<v Speaker 4>and that make us fall for them, or to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>persuade us to buy stuff. I mean, you know, again,

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<v Speaker 4>I agree with you. People should be more freaked out,

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<v Speaker 4>and that is the thing that they should freak out about,

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<v Speaker 4>is again this mass collection of our personal data, including

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<v Speaker 4>bits of our voices without really I mean like we

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<v Speaker 4>have no possible way to anticipate how that might be

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<v Speaker 4>used or misused today or in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet you, you bet you sare it overday? Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much. As always, we will talk again. I

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<v Speaker 2>very much appreciate your time with us tonight, very informing. Thanks, thanks,

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<v Speaker 2>my pleasure. Thank you. All Right, we're a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>late here for the eight thirty news. That's fine, that's

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<v Speaker 2>coming right up. We're gonna hold on that. We come

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<v Speaker 2>back on and talk about process meets don't just affect

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<v Speaker 2>your heart, they may worsen your cognition too, that's good news.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we'll talk about gambling, March's National Problem Gambling

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<v Speaker 2>Awareness Month. Of course it is. You've heard of March madness.

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<v Speaker 2>You thought it was about basketball. It's about basketball and gambling.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back on Nightside with two very two more

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting guests.

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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back. We join now by our guest,

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<v Speaker 2>you had O'Connor. Uh. He is a Washington Post health columnist,

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<v Speaker 2>a new Hut. Welcome to Night's Side. How are you.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing great? Thanks, it's Anahad. Great to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Anahad okay, I got it. I've never seen that name before.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry that I mispronounced it. It's Anahad Anahad okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, no problem, a problem, it's not there's not

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<v Speaker 5>many of us out there, I guess not.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a family name. I see O'Connor at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>I was, what is that happened to be Gaelic by

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<v Speaker 5>Ah, that's a good guess. It's well, it's actually from

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<v Speaker 5>Sanskrit and it means celestial. It means celestial music. And

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<v Speaker 5>my my, the short story behind it is that my

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<v Speaker 5>parents were hippies and so they gave my siblings and

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<v Speaker 5>I names from Sanskrit. But O'Connor is the Irish part.

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<v Speaker 2>No, clearly that one I'm very familiar with. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>weren't hippies. They were a little they were World War

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<v Speaker 2>two generation, so hippies had. So we're talking about processed meats, okay, which,

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<v Speaker 2>of course processed meats could be what anything, cold cuts,

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<v Speaker 2>hot dogs give us the scope of I'm sure there

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<v Speaker 2>are other things that fit under the umbrella or the

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<v Speaker 2>category processed meats that I haven't mentioned. What else are

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<v Speaker 2>we talking about when we talk about processed meats?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so they're usually the really highly processed, cured salted meats,

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<v Speaker 5>those kinds of like preserved meats typically.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and so these are known to affect your heart.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really want to ask, because I had a

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<v Speaker 2>ham sandwich tonight, But how did they affect your heart?

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<v Speaker 2>What do they do to your heart? And then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to what they do to your cognition.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So, health authorities have long discouraged people from consuming

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of processed and red meats because they know

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<v Speaker 5>that these foods contain a lot of saturated fat and

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<v Speaker 5>that can raise your LDL cholesterol, which is the kind

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<v Speaker 5>associated with heart disease. Typically, the higher your LDL cholesterol,

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<v Speaker 5>the higher your risk of heart disease and heart attacks

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<v Speaker 5>and strokes. So that's primarily the reason doctors and health

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<v Speaker 5>authorities have discouraged people from eating processed and red meats.

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<v Speaker 5>But now, in this news research, they looked at whether

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<v Speaker 5>there was a relationship between how much processed and red

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<v Speaker 5>meat people ate and their risk of developing cognitive issues

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<v Speaker 5>as they got older, such as dementia, Alzheimer's, memory decline,

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<v Speaker 5>and loss. And they found that the more process meats

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<v Speaker 5>people ate, the higher their likelihood of developing these cognitive

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<v Speaker 5>issues as they got older.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I assumed that This is consumption that starts

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<v Speaker 2>when kids are bringing boloney sandwiches to school, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they don't bring boloney sandwiches to school were like we did.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, I assume it starts when when people when

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<v Speaker 2>when you know, infants start to eat real food. Is

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<v Speaker 2>there any I mean are they saying there's no safe level?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know I I, for example, I use myself

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes as a guinea pig on this show. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>big Boar's Head fan. I think that boys and Telly

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<v Speaker 2>meats are really good, and now I like Boy's head turkey,

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<v Speaker 2>and I occasionally get a couple of slices of thinly

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<v Speaker 2>sliced ham maple honey ham to throw into a salad.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not somebody who's who's eating a lot of subs

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<v Speaker 2>every day, But how how concerned should I be about

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that over my lifetime I've probably eaten a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of sandwiches, a lot of a lot of hot

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<v Speaker 2>dogs at baseball games, and uh, you know the typical

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<v Speaker 2>diet that many Americans look back in the rear view

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<v Speaker 2>mirror and say that's the way I'm lived for thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years or forty years or fifty years or more.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, that's a great question. And so, I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>the first thing to know about the study is that

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<v Speaker 5>it was quite large. It looked at like almost one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred and fifty thousand people followed for over four years,

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<v Speaker 5>and it was observational in nature. So they didn't take

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<v Speaker 5>they didn't do a randomized control trial. They took people

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<v Speaker 5>and split them into groups and said, Okay, this group,

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<v Speaker 5>you're gonna eat salami and you know, ham sandwiches every day,

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<v Speaker 5>and this group, you're not gonna eat any processed meats.

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<v Speaker 5>They follow people and ask them about their diets, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, found that they're the more of these processed

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<v Speaker 5>meats people ate, the higher they're likelihood of developing cognitive

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<v Speaker 5>issues as they got older. But that doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 5>everyone got cognitive issues or that if you you know,

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<v Speaker 5>if you eat some processed meat, you know that you're

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<v Speaker 5>definitely going to get mentioned Alzheimer's or cognitive issues. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>and there are so many other parts of your diet

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<v Speaker 5>that also play a role as well, how much sugar

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<v Speaker 5>you're consuming, how many ultra processed foods you're consuming. So

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<v Speaker 5>the key takeaway was just that you know, there are

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<v Speaker 5>reasons to believe that processed meats could play a role

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<v Speaker 5>in your likelihood of developing you know, dementia, Alzheimer's, cognitive decline,

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<v Speaker 5>because we know they can increase your saturated fat or sorry,

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<v Speaker 5>they can increase your LDL cholesterol levels because of their

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<v Speaker 5>saturated fat and a higher LDL itself. You know, it

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<v Speaker 5>seems like it could potentially, you know, be causal. Also,

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<v Speaker 5>these process meats tend to have high levels of sodium

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<v Speaker 5>and preservatives such as nitrates and nitrites that can potentially

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<v Speaker 5>increase your blood pressure. And we know that if you

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<v Speaker 5>have higher blood pressure, that can lead to more vascular issues,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's you know, obviously can play a role in

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<v Speaker 5>your brain health. You know, these preservatives can also increase

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<v Speaker 5>oxidative stress and inflammation. So you know, doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 5>you can't eat any processed meat ever, just that if

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<v Speaker 5>you're eating, if you're eating, you know, if you're eating

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<v Speaker 5>ham sandwiches every single day, then that certainly is not

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<v Speaker 5>everything in moderation.

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<v Speaker 2>But they say that, but if this isn't everything in moderation,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm okay. If this is the surge of

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<v Speaker 2>general telling us in nineteen sixty four, throw the cigarettes away.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is not quite at that level, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's something people should.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely not okay. And the other thing to know is that,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, if you're someone who likes processed meats like myself,

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<v Speaker 5>I like, you know, I had a turkey sandwich today.

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<v Speaker 5>But you can go to the grocery store and buy,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, deli meats that say night write and night

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<v Speaker 5>trate free, which are those potentially harmful preservatives. You can

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<v Speaker 5>buy the deli meats that don't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>sodium added to them. So one that I like, for example,

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<v Speaker 5>is applegates. They use they don't use the nitrites and

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<v Speaker 5>nitrate preservatives. You can buy one that sold in most

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<v Speaker 5>grocery stores and I think it's made by Wegmans. It's

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<v Speaker 5>called just Turkey, where it's literally just the sliced turkey

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<v Speaker 5>without a bunch of additives. So if you are going

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<v Speaker 5>to eat the process meats, then try to get the

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<v Speaker 5>ones that have fewer additives, you know, just the turkey

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<v Speaker 5>meat without the additives, or the you know, sliced roasted

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<v Speaker 5>chicken without the additives. You know, so you can choose

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<v Speaker 5>the ones that are have.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to be a smart What you're saying is you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to be a smart consumer. With the warning that

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<v Speaker 2>you've issued, it's never too late to get back on track.

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<v Speaker 2>I think everybody tomorrow could take some of this advice.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh A new thank you very much. I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>A new on O'Connor Washington Post Health column. Get it right,

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<v Speaker 2>get the first name right that time.

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<v Speaker 5>A new hut cloth on a hut.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not that's okay. I gotta get because you

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<v Speaker 2>know I'll have you back. I want to work on

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<v Speaker 2>it between now and then. Anaha, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it very much.

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<v Speaker 5>My pleas are great to talk to you. Have a

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<v Speaker 5>good evening, Great you too, you as well?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, when we come back, March's National Problem Gambling

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<v Speaker 2>Awareness Month. Isn't it funny that March is also March Madness?

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<v Speaker 2>With the Sweet sixteen NCAA. You're going to talk with

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<v Speaker 2>Marlene Warner. She's the CEO of the Massachusett Council on

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<v Speaker 2>Gaming and Health. Coming back on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here to tell you March is National Problem Gambling

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<v Speaker 2>Awareness Month. It's also the month of March madness. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's appropriate with me is Marlene Warner. She's the CEO

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<v Speaker 2>of the Massachusetts Council on Gaming and Health. Marlene, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even realize we had a Council on Gaming and Health.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us about is that a state agency or is

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<v Speaker 2>that a private agency?

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<v Speaker 6>We're a private, nonprofit organization. Previously, we were named up

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<v Speaker 6>until twenty twenty where the Massachusetts Council and compulsive gambling

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<v Speaker 6>and actually we've been in the commonwealth since nineteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well the compulsive gambling one. Did it compulso become

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<v Speaker 2>a bad word? And did we changed as a result

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<v Speaker 2>of that?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, compulsive is certainly a little bit stigmatizing or a

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<v Speaker 6>lot stigmatizing. I think the other thing is that we

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<v Speaker 6>recognize that we can help people prior to them getting

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<v Speaker 6>to the point of addiction or disorder, which would be

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<v Speaker 6>the more appropriate terms to use now. So really identifying

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<v Speaker 6>that folks are in need of services and support from

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<v Speaker 6>the moment they make the decision to gambling, all the

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<v Speaker 6>way through long term recovery.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I get it, and you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>always I look at a lot of that stuff as euphemisms,

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<v Speaker 2>but if it works better this way. The Massachusetts Council

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<v Speaker 2>on Gaming and Health, we have just legalized sports betting

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts in the last year or so.

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<v Speaker 6>Correct, Yes, it's been especially we're coming upon two years

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<v Speaker 6>of legalized sports wagering.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fine, Now again you use the word wagering, which

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<v Speaker 2>I guess is a softer word in betting. When when

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little kid, I mean when I was

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<v Speaker 2>ten or twelve, used to get those those cards from

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<v Speaker 2>the bookies. You've had to pick three games on NFL

565
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<v Speaker 2>Sunday and you bet a bucket. If you got all

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<v Speaker 2>three games right on the spread, you got five bucks back.

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<v Speaker 2>I never turned out to be a big gambler or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. I'm actually the I knew that the

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<v Speaker 2>thing was all that the house always won. Okay, So,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't like to go into situations where where

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<v Speaker 2>my chances of losing money are worse than my chances

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<v Speaker 2>of winning money. But a lot of people have this problem.

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<v Speaker 2>My question is, do you think we made a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a tough question because I'm noticing that the

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<v Speaker 2>lottery revenues are coming down, and I have to assume

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<v Speaker 2>there's a relationship that as the football and sports betting

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<v Speaker 2>goes up, that has to impact the Massachusetts State lottery.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct or No, So I you know.

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<v Speaker 6>I really can't comment on that piece. I guess what

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<v Speaker 6>I would say is that our Massachusets State Lottery continues

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<v Speaker 6>to be the most profitable lottery per capita in the world.

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<v Speaker 6>So you know, we still are doing just fine in

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<v Speaker 6>the Commonwealth in terms of lottery sales. You know, I

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<v Speaker 6>certainly you know it would be a good question for

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<v Speaker 6>the treasure for the lottery director.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well, treasure treasurer Uh Goldberg is a great friend.

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<v Speaker 2>And I heard the numbers last week, and I assume that,

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<v Speaker 2>like anything else, if you open up more you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever options for people who who are who are gamblers,

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<v Speaker 2>that they the mass Lottery, which is a wonderful lottery

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, it's everyone knows it's all on luck.

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<v Speaker 2>So you you buy a ticket on impulse, but you're

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully you're not spending a lot of money the kids

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<v Speaker 2>shoes shoe money. However, I think it's different when you

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<v Speaker 2>bet in football in sports, and I'll tell you why,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're probably going to disagree with me. I think

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<v Speaker 2>most people realize Yeah, they buy a lottery ticket. It's

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<v Speaker 2>pure luck. So there's no onus on losing My numbers

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<v Speaker 2>didn't come up big deal. But there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people who bet football games, basketball games, bet they're spread beer,

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<v Speaker 2>convinced that they know more than the bookies do about

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<v Speaker 2>wh who's injured and all of that. And I would

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<v Speaker 2>bet that compulsive gambling. There's more compulsive gamblers who are

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<v Speaker 2>involved in sports betting than there are in the lottery.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you comment on that, Yes, I can comment on that.

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<v Speaker 6>So I think one of the things that's really interesting

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<v Speaker 6>about Massachusetts is that we have a pretty robust research

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<v Speaker 6>agenda here in the Commonwealth, and that was part of

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<v Speaker 6>the twenty eleven Expand of Gaming Act that brought casinos

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<v Speaker 6>to Massachusetts under Governor daval Patrick and he and the

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<v Speaker 6>legislatory at the foresight to make sure that there were

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<v Speaker 6>significant dollars set aside to study a lot of this.

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<v Speaker 6>Of things that we know is that the biggest predictor

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<v Speaker 6>of someone having a gambling problem is that they are

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<v Speaker 6>a regular lottery player. But that doesn't mean that their

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<v Speaker 6>unhealthy play is coming from lottery play. Only. We typically

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<v Speaker 6>see that they play the lottery and other things. We

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<v Speaker 6>did not see with the introduction of casino gambling here

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<v Speaker 6>at least thus far over the last ten years, any

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<v Speaker 6>significant increases in terms of gambling problems. We're still obviously, like,

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<v Speaker 6>like we said, not even two years into sports wagering.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, anecdotally, people will certainly say, and there's some

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<v Speaker 6>early research results here in mass choos to say that

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<v Speaker 6>there are some more significant problems happening as relates to

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<v Speaker 6>sports wagerings. But I think the segments of the population

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<v Speaker 6>are really different when we talk about that, and whether

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<v Speaker 6>they also are you know, at baseline also lottery players,

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<v Speaker 6>I think is another thing that we're trying to determine.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, all this research is happening through you, matt Amherst.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I could do I could do the research for

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<v Speaker 2>you right now. I can tell you that. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to be a wise guy when I say this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guarantee you that the lottery players skew older,

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<v Speaker 2>and the and the sports betting players skew younger, and

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<v Speaker 2>they will go to casino's probably somewhere in the middle,

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<v Speaker 2>right or wrong.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it depends. I think you know, again, these

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<v Speaker 6>are all nuanced pieces I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about I'm talking about you're paying research to you, Mass.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you right now that a lottery players because

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<v Speaker 2>because I go into variety source and I see who's

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<v Speaker 2>playing the lottery, young people aren't playing the lottery. That's

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<v Speaker 2>part of the problem the lottery has, the dev Goldberg

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<v Speaker 2>is trying to address. And the people who are betting

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<v Speaker 2>on football games and on college basketball games, they're not

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<v Speaker 2>people in their sixties and seventies. The more people in

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<v Speaker 2>their twenties and thirties. And you know, you can spend

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money if you you Mass are doing research.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what the research in my opinion, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>just from observations. I mean, talk probably talk to a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of bookies and be able to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>So what can we do here? What is the solution

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<v Speaker 2>to this dilemma that you have sketched out for us?

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<v Speaker 6>I think the solution is to do a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 6>One is, before you introduce new forms of gambling or

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<v Speaker 6>even expand upon the ones that we currently have, is

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<v Speaker 6>to continue to offer a lot of safety nets. And

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<v Speaker 6>so safety nets look different in different forms of gambling,

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<v Speaker 6>and regulatory efforts and certainly in general public awareness. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>we have been around since nineteen eighty three, and yet

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of folks still don't realize that you can

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<v Speaker 6>have a gambling problem. So just constantly promoting the existence

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<v Speaker 6>of the issue and some of the signs and symptoms,

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<v Speaker 6>but also just making sure people know to call one

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<v Speaker 6>eight hundred gambler so that they can get the help

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<v Speaker 6>and resources they need that we do have here in

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<v Speaker 6>the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. The other thing I guess I

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<v Speaker 6>would say is that there are many opportunities to make

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<v Speaker 6>products safer safer, excuse me, and also how they are

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<v Speaker 6>advertised and how they are promoted safer, and I think

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<v Speaker 6>there's a lot of a lot of room for opportunity there,

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<v Speaker 6>whether that be with the operators, whether that be the

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<v Speaker 6>state through the lottery, or through the individual companies which

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<v Speaker 6>are licensees of the commonwealth, or through the regulatory actions.

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<v Speaker 2>I would just add one final comment, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you can agree with me or not, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is my belief that once you let the genie

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<v Speaker 2>out of the bottle, it's tough to put the genie

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<v Speaker 2>back in the bottle.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we certainly see that, seeing that in a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of states and folks just continue to expand but don't

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<v Speaker 6>actually correct some of the problems that they've kind of

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<v Speaker 6>created and solved.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, our tribe, give us the website where people

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<v Speaker 2>can seek some help if they if they're able to

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<v Speaker 2>realize they need some help, where can they go?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so they can. They can go to game sencema

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<v Speaker 6>dot com if they want some help in terms of

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<v Speaker 6>keeping their game states. And then if they definitely need

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<v Speaker 6>treatment twelve step programs, they can go to Gambling Helplinema

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<v Speaker 6>dot org, which is a website put out by dph.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sounds great, Thanks very much, appreciate your time, Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you much, and happy March Madness. Thanks very much. March

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<v Speaker 2>National Problem Gambling Awareness Month. That's all we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>see for the next two or three weeks for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're a gambler, it's it's tough to resist.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got to coming back on night's I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the termination of Massachusetts State Police trooper Michael Procter.