Speaker 1: This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI
Speaker 1: AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be windy today. It's gonna be windy today
Speaker 2: and tomorrow. As a matter of fact, this suggestion is
Speaker 2: that we'll see gusts as high as forty five miles
Speaker 2: an hour in some places, stronger gusts if you're in
Speaker 2: the deserts or the mountains. So not and not warm
Speaker 2: at all. I mentioned last night went outside to go
Speaker 2: get the mail, of all things, and it was freezing. Okay,
Speaker 2: that was It was pants day. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: That's nice at my place last night. I got home
Speaker 1: like eight thirty at night, and it was nice. I
Speaker 1: was not cold at all.
Speaker 2: Well, you live in a very different neighborhood than I do.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that you're cold. The winter of your
Speaker 1: life is not. My circulation is starting to shut down.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. Compression socks are not always a bad move.
Speaker 2: Compression socks, Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: Actually, the really great for all ages compression socks, like
Speaker 1: if you're going to be standing a long time, if
Speaker 1: you ever find yourself standing a long time.
Speaker 2: Why would I do that?
Speaker 3: I don't know. You're doing something that's not this. What
Speaker 3: do you do? You just don't sit with your hands
Speaker 3: in your pants?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: I don't know?
Speaker 1: Well, what do you do? Don't you stand? At times
Speaker 1: of your life?
Speaker 2: There are times when I stand? That's good for the
Speaker 2: first hour of the show, did you yeah, the whole hour? Yes, Oh,
Speaker 2: but I didn't need compression socks.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stand for this hour.
Speaker 2: That's a good idea. What else is going on? Time four?
Speaker 2: What's happening? Well? I mention the windy weather here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were like it was cold last night. The
Speaker 3: wind blew.
Speaker 1: In the Midwest and the South, they have been bombarded
Speaker 1: with severe thunderstorms, hail, and tornadoes. At least seven people
Speaker 1: have been killed, four in Michigan, two in Indiana, one
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. Like I said, rainstrong winds, tornadoes. It is
Speaker 1: a mess. I feel like every week we talk about
Speaker 1: it being a mess, every week, every month, every year,
Speaker 1: everywhere else other than here.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also springtime, and that's when we get some
Speaker 2: of our most fluctuations, the largest fluctuations when it comes
Speaker 2: to weather, life threatening, destructive urban flash flooding, and river
Speaker 2: flooding are likely in some of those areas around Arkansas,
Speaker 2: Louisiana and Texas.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard the term arc Latex.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Arc Latex apparently is the thing where Arkansas, Louisiana, and
Speaker 1: Texas join together. That makes sense, Arclateex, we should take
Speaker 1: the show on the road, grab us an RV and
Speaker 1: go to Arclatex. Do the show from there in our RV.
Speaker 2: And live amongst the top twenty fattest cities in the
Speaker 2: entire country. Yes, which they got good food.
Speaker 3: You're damn right they do.
Speaker 1: Hello biscuits in gravy, Hello chicken fried steak.
Speaker 3: Hello America, it is US.
Speaker 2: A suspect wanted to shoot in a in connection with
Speaker 2: a shooting in Nevada was arrested after he left the
Speaker 2: state in Nevada and started shooting at people along the fifteen.
Speaker 2: San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department confirmed that the suspect in
Speaker 2: question shot a victim in Nevada and then fled south
Speaker 2: here into California. They haven't said much about the original shooting,
Speaker 2: including where it took place, but the suspect, while on
Speaker 2: the fifteen, started shooting at other people and additional victims
Speaker 2: were shot in Baker. They said. Eventually the suspect stopped
Speaker 2: and was taken into custody.
Speaker 1: Miniature toy guns have been seized at LAX. They've seized
Speaker 1: more than one thousand replica firearms and suppressors since the
Speaker 1: beginning of this year. These shipments are from China, and
Speaker 1: in an attempt to deceive the customs officials, the replica
Speaker 1: firearms were misdeclared as miniature toys. They can easily be
Speaker 1: mistaken for genuine weapons by the public and law enforcement.
Speaker 1: So you just kind of flash your fake gun because
Speaker 1: it's cheaper to make people think you have a real gun,
Speaker 1: and then they leave you alone.
Speaker 2: Is that it, I suppose? But then what happens if
Speaker 2: you actually have to use your fe happens.
Speaker 1: If that guy has the real gun and you're still
Speaker 1: stuck there with your toy gun. I mean, like the
Speaker 1: police officer who asked you to stop, or the bad
Speaker 1: guy or the bad guy.
Speaker 2: A couple of Anaheim High schools have installed detectors to
Speaker 2: sense when vapes are being used restrooms and locker rooms.
Speaker 2: It's Cyprus High and Lara High School now equipped with
Speaker 2: vape sensing detectors. They'll be able to detect vape smoke.
Speaker 2: It's vapor or aerosols that would attempt to cover up
Speaker 2: the vapor. The staff would be alerted through an app
Speaker 2: and they don't have cameras apparently in the detectors, but
Speaker 2: they'd be able to tell when an argument or a
Speaker 2: fight occurs. Also because it would be able to mind
Speaker 2: under noise levels in the bathrooms.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Well, if you are going to be driving tonight in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, there's a lot going on. You've got the
Speaker 1: Dodgers first pitch at seven to ten, so that means
Speaker 1: the five is going to be a mess.
Speaker 3: You've got Crypto dot.
Speaker 1: Com the scene of the Kings that is going to
Speaker 1: be a mess for the one ten, and then you've
Speaker 1: got the Wee Heart La concert at the Hollywood Bowl
Speaker 1: tonight that's going to be a mess for the one
Speaker 1: oh one and the five, or as foxla dot Com
Speaker 1: wrote it up, expect traffic on the five ten, the
Speaker 1: one ten, and the one oh one five ten.
Speaker 2: An update out of Boston, by the way, the Selfolk
Speaker 2: County DA Kevin Hayden is saying that that truck crash
Speaker 2: where a Penske rental truck crashed onto a sidewalk and
Speaker 2: hit several people. Appears to be an accident. This was
Speaker 2: not an intentional act, so that's good.
Speaker 1: In the NFL, both teams will now possess the ball
Speaker 1: in overtime during the regular season, which matches the postseason rule.
Speaker 1: That's the way it should be, none of this. You
Speaker 1: score a touchdown and it's over. You score a field goal,
Speaker 1: the other team gets the ball. Both teams will possess
Speaker 1: the ball. So if a game is still tied after
Speaker 1: each team has position possessionscuse me, then the game becomes
Speaker 1: sudden death and the next score wins.
Speaker 2: They also change the touchback rule and a kickoff. For example,
Speaker 2: the ball spot on the touchbacks now goes to the
Speaker 2: thirty five yard thirty five yard line as opposed to this, this.
Speaker 1: Stupid dynamic kickoffs are sticking around as well.
Speaker 3: And then I don't like those either, nobody does.
Speaker 1: And then also they're still talking, they're going to be
Speaker 1: talking later in the spring about the length of the
Speaker 1: season eighteen games. I think they got to get rid
Speaker 1: of all the preseason games and then have like two
Speaker 1: bye weeks would be my guess on how that would
Speaker 1: work the best.
Speaker 2: But do they make a lot of money on the
Speaker 2: preseason games?
Speaker 1: No, I mean they charged the same, but there's no purpose.
Speaker 3: Nobody plays in the preseason.
Speaker 1: They've kind of there's no draw. There's no draw, nobody plays.
Speaker 1: It's a hassle, it's expensive. It's a lose lose for
Speaker 1: every single person, except for maybe the guys down roster
Speaker 1: that have a spot to shine.
Speaker 2: It's very rare that that happens. And the new torpedo
Speaker 2: bat of the NFL, the Tush Push. They haven't made
Speaker 2: a decision on that.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, Coming up next, the Karen Reid trial. This
Speaker 1: captivated Boston. We didn't spend a lot of time on it,
Speaker 1: but the few things that I did hear about it
Speaker 1: piqued my interest enough for me to watch the documentary
Speaker 1: on HBO Max. I had friends that are true crime
Speaker 1: levers that were super into this case. In real time.
Speaker 1: It was as it was going on. Karen Reed, young
Speaker 1: single woman, not young really, she's my age, so she's
Speaker 1: like forty forty years old or whatever. She dating this
Speaker 1: Boston cop. The two go out drinking with friends. They
Speaker 1: get into a little bit of an argument. She says,
Speaker 1: she leaves a friend's house they claim that she hit
Speaker 1: this guy with her car before she took off. She
Speaker 1: claimed she took off and something must have happened inside
Speaker 1: the house, and they're the reason that he ended up
Speaker 1: dead in the front yard because there was an ice
Speaker 1: storm that night. It was a hung jury the first
Speaker 1: time around. She is not a likable defendant. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of problems with the prosecution's case. The prosecutor the
Speaker 1: first time around was a total dullard. He was awful.
Speaker 1: But she is not the most likable character either. So
Speaker 1: we'll talk about what has changed since her first trial,
Speaker 1: because there have been some big changes, including with that dullard.
Speaker 3: Since you liked it, I used to crank word.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand's from KFI
Speaker 4: AM six forty.
Speaker 2: Another shaky day on Wall Street. Most of the morning,
Speaker 2: the Dow Jones Industrial average was in pretty significantly negative territory.
Speaker 2: It's now back positive by about fifteen points. S and
Speaker 2: P five hundred is also up nineteen. Nasdaq is up
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty eight. All of this has to
Speaker 2: do with the uncertainties surrounding tariffs. Wall Street Journal reported
Speaker 2: today that President Trump says he has settled on a
Speaker 2: plan for the latest batch of tariffs expected this week,
Speaker 2: but isn't telling anybody what he's decided his economic team.
Speaker 2: This is again the Wall Street Journal. His economic team
Speaker 2: struggled to coalesce around a remade trade strategy.
Speaker 1: That's a nice way to say nobody knows what they're
Speaker 1: talking or less. Coming up in True Crime Tuesday, it's
Speaker 1: called a bone case.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of that?
Speaker 1: That's what law enforcement refers to as a bone case,
Speaker 1: a case where the remains are skeletal, years interred, evidence eroded,
Speaker 1: disappeared altogether with the passage of time. That is the
Speaker 1: case that they uncovered in two thousand and three when
Speaker 1: a building was being demolished in New York. They found
Speaker 1: a skull that rolled out as the workers were demolishing
Speaker 1: that building, and it led to the Jane Doe of
Speaker 1: Midtown Manhattan. How this young girl ended up killed in
Speaker 1: a popular nightclub that was finally demolished in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three.
Speaker 3: We will tell you that story coming up next.
Speaker 2: So the story of Karen Reid is now the subject
Speaker 2: of at least a couple of different shows documentaries, and
Speaker 2: it's an interesting case. She was accused of killing her
Speaker 2: boyfriend John O'Keefe with her vehicle outside of a home
Speaker 2: in Canton, Massachusetts, during a snowstorm in January of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, following a night of drinking. She's already pleaded
Speaker 2: not guilty to second to re murder the first. The
Speaker 2: first trial actually ended in a mistrial, and the defense
Speaker 2: has argued from the beginning someone else was responsible for
Speaker 2: killing John O'Keefe, and through a series of cover ups
Speaker 2: and inside jobs, cops protecting cops, they pinned this thing
Speaker 2: on the girlfriend, Karen Reid, when in fact the guilty
Speaker 2: party maybe somebody who wears a badge.
Speaker 3: The investigation right out of the gate was shoddy.
Speaker 1: It was a night where there was a snowstorm. This
Speaker 1: was a couple that had gone out drinking with other couples,
Speaker 1: a lot of police department employees in the mix, Boston
Speaker 1: p D.
Speaker 3: The other the town where he was found, what is
Speaker 3: it called, Canton, Canton p D.
Speaker 1: A bunch of cops and their wives, all going out
Speaker 1: drinking the way that they always did, same haunt, same place, says,
Speaker 1: end up back at one of their homes and this woman,
Speaker 1: Karen Reid, and her boyfriend at the time they pull
Speaker 1: up there, and he goes into the house first, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't come back, and she's like, what the heck,
Speaker 1: where are you? And so she's texting him, where are you?
Speaker 3: Where are you? She's pissed off.
Speaker 1: You could already tell that the two had kind of
Speaker 1: gotten into it earlier in the night.
Speaker 3: They're both hot heads, you know.
Speaker 1: You know couples like that where they're given to fights
Speaker 1: and then they pour alcohol on it, and it's more
Speaker 1: apt to be prone to fights, right, And that was
Speaker 1: a love feel better that way. No, that was this
Speaker 1: couple where they were already chippy to each other and
Speaker 1: then you have a few drinks or sixteen and it
Speaker 1: gets worse. Anyway, that's what this couple was, apparently. And
Speaker 1: he goes in the house. She gets pissed off that
Speaker 1: he's not coming back out quick enough, so she takes
Speaker 1: a car and she goes home, and she goes back
Speaker 1: to his house. Now, his sister had died of disease.
Speaker 1: I want to say cancer. I'm not completely sure. I
Speaker 1: don't remember. But he is the custodian of the two kids.
Speaker 1: And so she goes back to the house where the
Speaker 1: kids are sleeping and she's texting him, and she's calling,
Speaker 1: where the hell are you? Where the f are you
Speaker 1: are you? She thinks he's with another woman. I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm taking care of your kids. Where the hell are you?
Speaker 1: The whole thing, and she starts calling around. She's calling him.
Speaker 1: Two in the morning, four in the morning, six in
Speaker 1: the morning, she's calling the wives.
Speaker 3: Have you seen him? Have you seen him?
Speaker 2: Where is he?
Speaker 1: And she goes back, Where's John? Where's John? She goes
Speaker 1: back to the house. They're driving around looking for the guy,
Speaker 1: and then at some point in the morning, his body
Speaker 1: turns up on the front lawn or what was the
Speaker 1: front lawn, but it's covered in snow because of the snowstorm.
Speaker 1: So the the investigation goes on to be completely shoddy.
Speaker 1: The evidence that was collected from the scene was off
Speaker 1: because of the snow, but also so the way it
Speaker 1: was collected. Some of the cops that responded did not
Speaker 1: go inside the home.
Speaker 3: Ever.
Speaker 1: Inside the home who which happened to belong to a
Speaker 1: high ranking official in the Boston Police Department, never went
Speaker 1: inside there to see if anything had happened. The marks
Speaker 1: on John O'Keefe's body were not consistent with if she
Speaker 1: ran into him with her car, just completely inconsistent.
Speaker 3: They were scratches at weird angles.
Speaker 1: Turns out the couple inside with the high ranking police
Speaker 1: guy with the Boston PD, they've got a dog that
Speaker 1: they since re homed because this dog was such a liability.
Speaker 1: So part of the defense was she didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: This was a couple. They got drunk, they got into
Speaker 1: a fight. She left all of his cop but he
Speaker 1: said no, no, she ran into him her with her car,
Speaker 1: and that's how he ended up there on the front
Speaker 1: lawn and the snow there. But they collected evidence using
Speaker 1: red solo cups. The responding officers did. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of wink wink nod, non cop type camaraderie things
Speaker 1: that were missed.
Speaker 3: Situation, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: The investigation was not done by the book, but there's
Speaker 1: enough doubt in there to where this thing went to
Speaker 1: a hung jury because it was never really formed.
Speaker 3: If it was a cover up. If these were there was.
Speaker 1: No motive uncovered of why his cop friends would have
Speaker 1: won him dead other than maybe their dog and him
Speaker 1: got into it and the dog killed him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that would have been one of those that
Speaker 2: would have been an obvious wounds.
Speaker 1: Well, why wouldn't you just say he was drunk, got
Speaker 1: into it with our dog, fell down a flight of
Speaker 1: stairs and died, you know what I mean, Like, that's
Speaker 1: what happened, but it's his. But his injuries also are
Speaker 1: not consistent with whatever damage to her car, which was
Speaker 1: just a broken tail light, right, not consistent with killing
Speaker 1: somebody and the impact.
Speaker 2: They said that one of the questions she suggested that
Speaker 2: in her shock and grief, she uttered to panic question
Speaker 2: the morning that he was found and that they picked
Speaker 2: him up or they picked her up. She uttered this
Speaker 2: panicked question, did I hit him?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: And their prosecution wants to say that that was a
Speaker 2: confession when it I mean just probably blacked out drunk
Speaker 2: situation of I don't remember if I hit him or not.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So there's a couple of interesting things about this. The
Speaker 2: first one, of course, ends hopelessly deadlocked. Was the jury,
Speaker 2: so a mistrial was declared. That allows the state to
Speaker 2: bring the case a second time.
Speaker 1: He hired Alan Jackson, who's from LA. He was a
Speaker 1: prosecutor here. He did the Mickey Thompson case, he did
Speaker 1: the Phil Spector case. He is he crossed over to
Speaker 1: the defense attorney side and has done high profile cases.
Speaker 1: He's he's wonderful in the courtroom. He's a very good lawyer.
Speaker 1: The prosecutor in this case was awful, I mean just awful,
Speaker 1: so they they've swapped him out.
Speaker 2: They swapped him out for a guy who was on
Speaker 2: Whitey Bulger's defense team who was now acting as the
Speaker 2: prostitut prosecutor in this case. The other thing is one
Speaker 2: of the jurors from the original trial happened to be
Speaker 2: an attorney. That attorney happened to be licensed in the
Speaker 2: state of Massachusetts, is now on her defense team. So
Speaker 2: there's a lot of weird twists in that.
Speaker 1: And again she is like the most one of the
Speaker 1: most unsympathetic defendants. I mean everything in my body's like that.
Speaker 1: I don't think she did it, but she's such a
Speaker 1: kind of an a hole that you're just like.
Speaker 2: With the jury I think they're questioning ninety something jurors
Speaker 2: today to start this thing up again. Does the jury
Speaker 2: get to see much of that? I mean outside of
Speaker 2: the witness testimony. They may they may paint a bad
Speaker 2: picture of her, but they don't get to see her.
Speaker 3: They see her in the courtroom. Yeah, that's enough.
Speaker 2: Her behavior is not saying anything.
Speaker 1: No, but her behavior in the courtroom, and this was
Speaker 1: a major part of the documentary of people like the
Speaker 1: way she behaved, like smiling, taking pictures of the people.
Speaker 1: All of that was very much like me, me me,
Speaker 1: I'm a celebrity.
Speaker 2: Now, well, you can guarantee that everybody on the defense
Speaker 2: team has seen that documentary and they're going to tell
Speaker 2: her we're going to cut that s out. You do
Speaker 2: not get ste it.
Speaker 3: Hope they would have done that in real time.
Speaker 1: But defense attorneys are also publicity horrors, So good word,
Speaker 1: what horror publicity?
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Speaker 2: Gary and Shannon kfi AM six forty live everywhere on
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Speaker 2: trying to figure out what's going on with these terrorifts.
Speaker 2: White House aides have drafted a proposal to impose tariffs
Speaker 2: of about twenty percent on most imports to the US,
Speaker 2: according to the Washington Post, but White House advisors are
Speaker 2: saying that there are still several options on the table.
Speaker 2: No final decision has may been made. Last night, the
Speaker 2: President repeatedly suggested that Trump's would be reciprocal and indicated
Speaker 2: that many countries would not be included in the duties.
Speaker 2: Of course, worries about the tariffs and the economy have
Speaker 2: caused the S and P five hundred, Nasdaq, and the
Speaker 2: Dow all to have some pretty bad days recently. Right now,
Speaker 2: all three of them are in positive territory, and we'll
Speaker 2: see how it goes for the rest of the trading day.
Speaker 2: And then, finally, a revamped anti homelessness funding measure approved
Speaker 2: by La County voters last November. It takes effect today,
Speaker 2: which means your sales tax just went up and you
Speaker 2: didn't even feel it. The county sales tax goes up
Speaker 2: by at least a quarter of ascent, depending on where
Speaker 2: you are. The La County voters approved Measure A to
Speaker 2: help maintain existing programs and provide more revenue to address
Speaker 2: homelessness throughout La County.
Speaker 1: You ever heard of the scene in midtown Manhattan, quite
Speaker 1: the happening place in the sixties, I mean, Jim Morrison,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendricks a Fleetwood Mac, I mean this was.
Speaker 3: The place to be.
Speaker 1: Of course, it was a flash in the pan most
Speaker 1: great clubs are. But it was when this space was
Speaker 1: being demolished in two thousand and three, when the workers
Speaker 1: demolishing the joint started hammering into a section of the
Speaker 1: basement and a skull rolled out.
Speaker 3: That is where we kick off True Crime Tuesday.
Speaker 2: The story is true, that's true.
Speaker 1: No, it sounds made up.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Parry and Shannon present True Crime. Man. If you are
Speaker 2: a fan of those one thousand piece puzzles, this story
Speaker 2: feels like a five thousand piece puzzle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of different roads that would take
Speaker 1: you in different places.
Speaker 2: The pieces that fit in the wrong spots. Yeah, one
Speaker 2: of those kinds of thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, a lot of sky pieces.
Speaker 2: Lots of sky and clouds. Well, the scene, that club
Speaker 2: that you're talking about had been many things since the
Speaker 2: sixties when it was shut down. There three h one
Speaker 2: West forty sixth Street had several tenants. In some cases
Speaker 2: it was after the scene had closed and turned into
Speaker 2: a porn shop, a dive bar, and then a restaurant,
Speaker 2: And a restaurant was sort of the key that led
Speaker 2: to the discovery of a body. They were trying to
Speaker 2: put together a walk in freezer in the basement of
Speaker 2: this building, in February of two thousand and three, and
Speaker 2: demolition was the whole thing. The construction workers noticed a
Speaker 2: raised concrete slab behind an aging coal furnace in the
Speaker 2: basement of this building. Six feet wide, five feet long
Speaker 2: a foot high. Didn't make any sense, Why would it
Speaker 2: be there. One of the workers takes out a sledgehammer
Speaker 2: and smashes through the concrete and a human skull falls out.
Speaker 3: The cops arrive. They dig in.
Speaker 1: They find the bones of a girl lying in a
Speaker 1: fetal position, hands and feet bound together by an extension
Speaker 1: cord wrapped around her neck as well. She'd been wrapped
Speaker 1: up in a rust colored rug. At some point cement
Speaker 1: was poured on top of her. They knew she wore
Speaker 1: a size thirty two, a bra, clear pantyhose, a glittery frock.
Speaker 1: They recovered a ring with the initials p McK G,
Speaker 1: a watch issued in nineteen sixty six, a dime dated
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, and a plastic toy soldier.
Speaker 3: What a wild.
Speaker 1: You know, what do you call those tubes that you
Speaker 1: plant from years gone by?
Speaker 2: My capsule?
Speaker 1: What a time capsule of a crime scene? Right like
Speaker 1: the fact that all of this was intact is wild.
Speaker 1: There was also DNA from an unknown source, possibly a
Speaker 1: white male, from a hair found in that rug.
Speaker 2: There were some red herrings. They now know they were
Speaker 2: red herrings. In terms of the time your time cap analogy,
Speaker 2: there there was a bag of rat poison that was
Speaker 2: found in that concrete slab that was believed to have
Speaker 2: been manufactured in nineteen seventy nine. There was a clothing
Speaker 2: label which wouldn't have appeared to exist before nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2: So they're trying to kind of backtime this and if
Speaker 2: they know the approximate age of this girl somewhere between
Speaker 2: sixteen and twenty one years old, they go back and
Speaker 2: kind of backdate and try to figure out when are
Speaker 2: they going to start looking through the missing persons reports.
Speaker 2: So they go back to nineteen fifty eight. That's where
Speaker 2: they started. Eventually they realized that that was going to
Speaker 2: be five years too late because those other later things
Speaker 2: that were discovered were just not actually part of the
Speaker 2: case that they were looking at.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, this is all discovered in two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: but still technology had not caught up nearly to how
Speaker 1: well it has caught up now, right. They did a
Speaker 1: lot of different tests on the DNA. The bones were
Speaker 1: too degragated at that time, degradated to go through and
Speaker 1: get any and for answers from there. But the Cold
Speaker 1: Case unit took a look at this in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: and in twenty twenty three the unit ran the DNA
Speaker 1: profile through COTIS, the National DNA database, and then they
Speaker 1: started using the familial genetic data. This is what we've
Speaker 1: talked about numerous times unt how they tracked down the
Speaker 1: Golden State killer it has been used for iding. Jane
Speaker 1: Does as well, a veteran genetic genealogist who joined the
Speaker 1: NYPD on contract, was one of the ones who really
Speaker 1: sat down and poured through all of the DNA. She
Speaker 1: was the one who found the name in an obituary
Speaker 1: for a man named Bernard mccloone. This was after she
Speaker 1: kind of went through the profiles and intersected them her
Speaker 1: the familial DNA and found that there was one there
Speaker 1: was a first cousin, and then there was a second
Speaker 1: cousin on there was a first cousin on the maternal side,
Speaker 1: second cousin on the paternal side. They kind of intersected
Speaker 1: all the data and found out the name Patricia Mclone
Speaker 1: and that was the one that kind of the only
Speaker 1: one that had both of those two people in their tree.
Speaker 1: And then they found the obituary for the guy, Bernard maclone.
Speaker 2: Okay, So once they get to that point and they've
Speaker 2: got a name for Patricia and they know who she was,
Speaker 2: they know what basically that she was born in nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty three, they then have to figure out how did
Speaker 2: she end up in that concrete slab.
Speaker 1: Again, she's sixteen at the time of her death murder,
Speaker 1: you would assume.
Speaker 3: Turns out she had a husband.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very weird.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
Speaker 4: AM six forty.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this dead girl for True Crime Tuesday.
Speaker 1: This young girl that was entombed basically in a concrete
Speaker 1: slab for decades, a hot club in the sixties that
Speaker 1: closed down. It was being demolished in two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: and they recover the bones of this girl and we're trying.
Speaker 3: To figure it out who was she.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until a couple of years ago when they're
Speaker 1: running the familial DNA that they get this hit and
Speaker 1: they finally get a name on this girl.
Speaker 3: Now, was it a young.
Speaker 1: Girl who decided to go to one of the hot
Speaker 1: clubs in midtown, maybe where there was the mafia involved.
Speaker 1: Maybe was her shady thirty two year old husband. What
Speaker 1: sixteen years old and she's got a thirty two year
Speaker 1: old husband. Yeah, there's a lot of ways this girl
Speaker 1: could have turned up dead, is all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Well, her mom and dad finger quotes had a pretty
Speaker 2: interesting life in that Dad actually had two other families
Speaker 2: by the time he married mom.
Speaker 3: I love a secret family and.
Speaker 2: Try two of them. So there's a lot of mystery
Speaker 2: going into this girl's life. Early on the club itself,
Speaker 2: like we said the scene, the last days were not great.
Speaker 2: Steve Paul was the owner. The bunch of people, including
Speaker 2: the mob, were coming in and demanding money for protection, etc.
Speaker 2: You know, we've seen that in multiple movies over the
Speaker 2: course of years. He predicted in nineteen sixty seven that
Speaker 2: the club was probably not going to last. And this
Speaker 2: again is after the Doors had a regular residency there.
Speaker 2: Jimmy Hendrix would show up, Leonard Bernstein would walk through
Speaker 2: the halls. Every once in a while, record executives like
Speaker 2: Clive Davis would be there to try to catch a
Speaker 2: musical act before anybody else really saw it. Now, it's
Speaker 2: not clear if nineteen seventy three is about when the
Speaker 2: scene closed down, if Steve Paul, the owner, knew anything
Speaker 2: about the teenage girl that was buried in the basement,
Speaker 2: and if he didn't.
Speaker 3: Somebody knew something.
Speaker 1: I mean, this girl was obviously coming from a troubled home.
Speaker 1: She may have had a teenage pregnancy. There was a
Speaker 1: fight over money between her dead father and the mother
Speaker 1: that remained. There was a brother involved trying to get
Speaker 1: his hands on the money, and so they still have
Speaker 1: no idea how this girl was killed, but still so
Speaker 1: many avenues.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you think you hear these stories and you think, oh.
Speaker 1: So it was the older husband or whatever that impregnated
Speaker 1: her when she was still in high school.
Speaker 3: Maybe not.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a girl who went out to the
Speaker 1: hot club and fell in with the wrong crowd. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was the guy who ran the club that was
Speaker 1: in trouble with the mafia and they said, hey, we
Speaker 1: need you to hide a body and we're going to
Speaker 1: put it in this concrete in the basement of your club.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a number of things that could have
Speaker 3: gone wrong.
Speaker 2: Now, needless to say, the guy that she had married
Speaker 2: is the guy that the NYPD wants more information on.
Speaker 3: Means still with us.
Speaker 2: That's what they think. His name is Donald Grant. At
Speaker 2: least they believe his name is Donald Grant. They're very
Speaker 2: interested in learning more information about him, whether he's still alive,
Speaker 2: whoever it might be. What other names did the guy
Speaker 2: actually use, because I mean, it would be obvious. The
Speaker 2: closest person to a missing or murdered person in this
Speaker 2: case is going to be the one that's going to
Speaker 2: have the most information about it.
Speaker 3: That's the obvious one.
Speaker 1: But again, there's so much going around around a hot
Speaker 1: club like this with big names, that it's an easy
Speaker 1: place to hide a mistake. Yeah, unfortunately, all right, John
Speaker 1: kencho But if you know Donald Grant, John Kenshaw, how
Speaker 1: about the John Cobalchow?
Speaker 2: Did I say John and Kenshaw?
Speaker 3: Where is Ken?
Speaker 2: You have his number? He doesn't. He never gave me
Speaker 2: a name.
Speaker 3: You Let's see the last time Ken wrote.
Speaker 2: I'm new here, so you have to forgive me. The
Speaker 2: John Cobelt Show's coming up next tomorrow, Our Liberation Day show.
Speaker 3: Hi, miss you. That's what I'm writing to. Ken? Is
Speaker 3: that weird? Yes, that's weird.
Speaker 2: Noel said, tomorrow, stay drive, everybody.
Speaker 3: Blessings.
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