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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be windy today. It's gonna be windy today

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<v Speaker 2>and tomorrow. As a matter of fact, this suggestion is

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<v Speaker 2>that we'll see gusts as high as forty five miles

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<v Speaker 2>an hour in some places, stronger gusts if you're in

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<v Speaker 2>the deserts or the mountains. So not and not warm

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<v Speaker 2>at all. I mentioned last night went outside to go

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<v Speaker 2>get the mail, of all things, and it was freezing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that was It was pants day. I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's nice at my place last night. I got home

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<v Speaker 1>like eight thirty at night, and it was nice. I

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<v Speaker 1>was not cold at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you live in a very different neighborhood than I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying that you're cold. The winter of your

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<v Speaker 1>life is not. My circulation is starting to shut down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying. Compression socks are not always a bad move.

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<v Speaker 2>Compression socks, Okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, the really great for all ages compression socks, like

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going to be standing a long time, if

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<v Speaker 1>you ever find yourself standing a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would I do that?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. You're doing something that's not this. What

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<v Speaker 3>do you do? You just don't sit with your hands

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<v Speaker 3>in your pants?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what do you do? Don't you stand? At times

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<v Speaker 1>of your life?

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<v Speaker 2>There are times when I stand? That's good for the

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<v Speaker 2>first hour of the show, did you yeah, the whole hour? Yes, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't need compression socks.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna stand for this hour.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good idea. What else is going on? Time four?

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<v Speaker 2>What's happening? Well? I mention the windy weather here?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you were like it was cold last night. The

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<v Speaker 3>wind blew.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Midwest and the South, they have been bombarded

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<v Speaker 1>with severe thunderstorms, hail, and tornadoes. At least seven people

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<v Speaker 1>have been killed, four in Michigan, two in Indiana, one

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<v Speaker 1>in Oklahoma. Like I said, rainstrong winds, tornadoes. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a mess. I feel like every week we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it being a mess, every week, every month, every year,

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere else other than here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's also springtime, and that's when we get some

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<v Speaker 2>of our most fluctuations, the largest fluctuations when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to weather, life threatening, destructive urban flash flooding, and river

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<v Speaker 2>flooding are likely in some of those areas around Arkansas,

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<v Speaker 2>Louisiana and Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever heard the term arc Latex.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Arc Latex apparently is the thing where Arkansas, Louisiana, and

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<v Speaker 1>Texas join together. That makes sense, Arclateex, we should take

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<v Speaker 1>the show on the road, grab us an RV and

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<v Speaker 1>go to Arclatex. Do the show from there in our RV.

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<v Speaker 2>And live amongst the top twenty fattest cities in the

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<v Speaker 2>entire country. Yes, which they got good food.

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<v Speaker 3>You're damn right they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello biscuits in gravy, Hello chicken fried steak.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello America, it is US.

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<v Speaker 2>A suspect wanted to shoot in a in connection with

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<v Speaker 2>a shooting in Nevada was arrested after he left the

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<v Speaker 2>state in Nevada and started shooting at people along the fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department confirmed that the suspect in

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<v Speaker 2>question shot a victim in Nevada and then fled south

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<v Speaker 2>here into California. They haven't said much about the original shooting,

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<v Speaker 2>including where it took place, but the suspect, while on

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<v Speaker 2>the fifteen, started shooting at other people and additional victims

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<v Speaker 2>were shot in Baker. They said. Eventually the suspect stopped

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<v Speaker 2>and was taken into custody.

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<v Speaker 1>Miniature toy guns have been seized at LAX. They've seized

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<v Speaker 1>more than one thousand replica firearms and suppressors since the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of this year. These shipments are from China, and

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<v Speaker 1>in an attempt to deceive the customs officials, the replica

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<v Speaker 1>firearms were misdeclared as miniature toys. They can easily be

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<v Speaker 1>mistaken for genuine weapons by the public and law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>So you just kind of flash your fake gun because

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<v Speaker 1>it's cheaper to make people think you have a real gun,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they leave you alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that it, I suppose? But then what happens if

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<v Speaker 2>you actually have to use your fe happens.

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<v Speaker 1>If that guy has the real gun and you're still

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<v Speaker 1>stuck there with your toy gun. I mean, like the

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<v Speaker 1>police officer who asked you to stop, or the bad

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<v Speaker 1>guy or the bad guy.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of Anaheim High schools have installed detectors to

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<v Speaker 2>sense when vapes are being used restrooms and locker rooms.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Cyprus High and Lara High School now equipped with

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<v Speaker 2>vape sensing detectors. They'll be able to detect vape smoke.

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<v Speaker 2>It's vapor or aerosols that would attempt to cover up

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<v Speaker 2>the vapor. The staff would be alerted through an app

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't have cameras apparently in the detectors, but

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<v Speaker 2>they'd be able to tell when an argument or a

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<v Speaker 2>fight occurs. Also because it would be able to mind

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<v Speaker 2>under noise levels in the bathrooms.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you are going to be driving tonight in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, there's a lot going on. You've got the

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<v Speaker 1>Dodgers first pitch at seven to ten, so that means

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<v Speaker 1>the five is going to be a mess.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got Crypto dot.

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<v Speaker 1>Com the scene of the Kings that is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a mess for the one ten, and then you've

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<v Speaker 1>got the Wee Heart La concert at the Hollywood Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>tonight that's going to be a mess for the one

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<v Speaker 1>oh one and the five, or as foxla dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>wrote it up, expect traffic on the five ten, the

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<v Speaker 1>one ten, and the one oh one five ten.

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<v Speaker 2>An update out of Boston, by the way, the Selfolk

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<v Speaker 2>County DA Kevin Hayden is saying that that truck crash

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<v Speaker 2>where a Penske rental truck crashed onto a sidewalk and

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<v Speaker 2>hit several people. Appears to be an accident. This was

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<v Speaker 2>not an intentional act, so that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>In the NFL, both teams will now possess the ball

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<v Speaker 1>in overtime during the regular season, which matches the postseason rule.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way it should be, none of this. You

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<v Speaker 1>score a touchdown and it's over. You score a field goal,

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<v Speaker 1>the other team gets the ball. Both teams will possess

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. So if a game is still tied after

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<v Speaker 1>each team has position possessionscuse me, then the game becomes

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<v Speaker 1>sudden death and the next score wins.

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<v Speaker 2>They also change the touchback rule and a kickoff. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>the ball spot on the touchbacks now goes to the

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five yard thirty five yard line as opposed to this, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Stupid dynamic kickoffs are sticking around as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I don't like those either, nobody does.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also they're still talking, they're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>talking later in the spring about the length of the

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<v Speaker 1>season eighteen games. I think they got to get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of all the preseason games and then have like two

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<v Speaker 1>bye weeks would be my guess on how that would

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<v Speaker 1>work the best.

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<v Speaker 2>But do they make a lot of money on the

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<v Speaker 2>preseason games?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean they charged the same, but there's no purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody plays in the preseason.

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<v Speaker 1>They've kind of there's no draw. There's no draw, nobody plays.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a hassle, it's expensive. It's a lose lose for

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<v Speaker 1>every single person, except for maybe the guys down roster

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<v Speaker 1>that have a spot to shine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very rare that that happens. And the new torpedo

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<v Speaker 2>bat of the NFL, the Tush Push. They haven't made

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<v Speaker 2>a decision on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, Coming up next, the Karen Reid trial. This

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<v Speaker 1>captivated Boston. We didn't spend a lot of time on it,

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<v Speaker 1>but the few things that I did hear about it

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<v Speaker 1>piqued my interest enough for me to watch the documentary

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<v Speaker 1>on HBO Max. I had friends that are true crime

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<v Speaker 1>levers that were super into this case. In real time.

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<v Speaker 1>It was as it was going on. Karen Reed, young

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<v Speaker 1>like forty forty years old or whatever. She dating this

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<v Speaker 1>Boston cop. The two go out drinking with friends. They

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<v Speaker 1>dead in the front yard because there was an ice

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<v Speaker 1>storm that night. It was a hung jury the first

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<v Speaker 1>time around. She is not a likable defendant. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of problems with the prosecution's case. The prosecutor the

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<v Speaker 1>first time around was a total dullard. He was awful.

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<v Speaker 1>But she is not the most likable character either. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about what has changed since her first trial,

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<v Speaker 1>because there have been some big changes, including with that dullard.

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<v Speaker 3>Since you liked it, I used to crank word.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand's from KFI

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<v Speaker 4>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Another shaky day on Wall Street. Most of the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>the Dow Jones Industrial average was in pretty significantly negative territory.

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<v Speaker 2>It's now back positive by about fifteen points. S and

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<v Speaker 2>P five hundred is also up nineteen. Nasdaq is up

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty eight. All of this has to

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<v Speaker 2>do with the uncertainties surrounding tariffs. Wall Street Journal reported

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<v Speaker 2>today that President Trump says he has settled on a

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<v Speaker 2>plan for the latest batch of tariffs expected this week,

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<v Speaker 2>but isn't telling anybody what he's decided his economic team.

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<v Speaker 2>This is again the Wall Street Journal. His economic team

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<v Speaker 2>struggled to coalesce around a remade trade strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a nice way to say nobody knows what they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking or less. Coming up in True Crime Tuesday, it's

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<v Speaker 1>called a bone case.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever heard of that?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what law enforcement refers to as a bone case,

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<v Speaker 1>a case where the remains are skeletal, years interred, evidence eroded,

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<v Speaker 1>disappeared altogether with the passage of time. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>case that they uncovered in two thousand and three when

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<v Speaker 1>a building was being demolished in New York. They found

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<v Speaker 1>a skull that rolled out as the workers were demolishing

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<v Speaker 1>that building, and it led to the Jane Doe of

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<v Speaker 1>Midtown Manhattan. How this young girl ended up killed in

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<v Speaker 1>a popular nightclub that was finally demolished in two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>We will tell you that story coming up next.

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<v Speaker 2>So the story of Karen Reid is now the subject

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<v Speaker 2>of at least a couple of different shows documentaries, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's an interesting case. She was accused of killing her

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<v Speaker 2>boyfriend John O'Keefe with her vehicle outside of a home

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<v Speaker 2>in Canton, Massachusetts, during a snowstorm in January of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, following a night of drinking. She's already pleaded

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<v Speaker 2>not guilty to second to re murder the first. The

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<v Speaker 2>first trial actually ended in a mistrial, and the defense

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<v Speaker 2>has argued from the beginning someone else was responsible for

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<v Speaker 2>killing John O'Keefe, and through a series of cover ups

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<v Speaker 2>and inside jobs, cops protecting cops, they pinned this thing

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<v Speaker 2>on the girlfriend, Karen Reid, when in fact the guilty

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<v Speaker 2>party maybe somebody who wears a badge.

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<v Speaker 3>The investigation right out of the gate was shoddy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a night where there was a snowstorm. This

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<v Speaker 1>was a couple that had gone out drinking with other couples,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of police department employees in the mix, Boston

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<v Speaker 1>A bunch of cops and their wives, all going out

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<v Speaker 1>drinking the way that they always did, same haunt, same place, says,

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<v Speaker 3>Where are you? She's pissed off.

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<v Speaker 1>You could already tell that the two had kind of

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<v Speaker 1>You know couples like that where they're given to fights

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<v Speaker 1>The whole thing, and she starts calling around. She's calling him.

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<v Speaker 1>Two in the morning, four in the morning, six in

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<v Speaker 3>Have you seen him? Have you seen him?

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<v Speaker 2>Where is he?

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<v Speaker 1>And she goes back, Where's John? Where's John? She goes

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<v Speaker 1>back to the house. They're driving around looking for the guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and then at some point in the morning, his body

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<v Speaker 1>So the the investigation goes on to be completely shoddy.

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<v Speaker 1>The evidence that was collected from the scene was off

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<v Speaker 1>because of the snow, but also so the way it

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<v Speaker 3>Ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Inside the home who which happened to belong to a

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<v Speaker 1>inside there to see if anything had happened. The marks

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<v Speaker 1>on John O'Keefe's body were not consistent with if she

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<v Speaker 1>ran into him with her car, just completely inconsistent.

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<v Speaker 3>They were scratches at weird angles.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out the couple inside with the high ranking police

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<v Speaker 1>guy with the Boston PD, they've got a dog that

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<v Speaker 1>they since re homed because this dog was such a liability.

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<v Speaker 1>So part of the defense was she didn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a couple. They got drunk, they got into

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<v Speaker 1>said no, no, she ran into him her with her car,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's how he ended up there on the front

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<v Speaker 1>lawn and the snow there. But they collected evidence using

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<v Speaker 1>red solo cups. The responding officers did. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of wink wink nod, non cop type camaraderie things

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<v Speaker 1>that were missed.

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<v Speaker 3>Situation, there's no doubt about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The investigation was not done by the book, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>enough doubt in there to where this thing went to

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<v Speaker 1>a hung jury because it was never really formed.

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<v Speaker 3>If it was a cover up. If these were there was.

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<v Speaker 1>No motive uncovered of why his cop friends would have

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<v Speaker 1>won him dead other than maybe their dog and him

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<v Speaker 1>got into it and the dog killed him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that would have been one of those that

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<v Speaker 2>would have been an obvious wounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, why wouldn't you just say he was drunk, got

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<v Speaker 1>into it with our dog, fell down a flight of

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<v Speaker 1>stairs and died, you know what I mean, Like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what happened, but it's his. But his injuries also are

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<v Speaker 1>not consistent with whatever damage to her car, which was

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<v Speaker 1>just a broken tail light, right, not consistent with killing

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<v Speaker 1>somebody and the impact.

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<v Speaker 2>They said that one of the questions she suggested that

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<v Speaker 2>in her shock and grief, she uttered to panic question

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<v Speaker 2>the morning that he was found and that they picked

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<v Speaker 2>him up or they picked her up. She uttered this

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<v Speaker 2>panicked question, did I hit him?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And their prosecution wants to say that that was a

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<v Speaker 2>confession when it I mean just probably blacked out drunk

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<v Speaker 2>situation of I don't remember if I hit him or not.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a couple of interesting things about this. The

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<v Speaker 2>first one, of course, ends hopelessly deadlocked. Was the jury,

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<v Speaker 2>so a mistrial was declared. That allows the state to

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<v Speaker 1>He hired Alan Jackson, who's from LA. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor here. He did the Mickey Thompson case, he did

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<v Speaker 1>the Phil Spector case. He is he crossed over to

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<v Speaker 1>the defense attorney side and has done high profile cases.

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<v Speaker 1>He's he's wonderful in the courtroom. He's a very good lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecutor in this case was awful, I mean just awful,

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<v Speaker 1>so they they've swapped him out.

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<v Speaker 2>They swapped him out for a guy who was on

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<v Speaker 2>Whitey Bulger's defense team who was now acting as the

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<v Speaker 2>prostitut prosecutor in this case. The other thing is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the jurors from the original trial happened to be

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<v Speaker 2>an attorney. That attorney happened to be licensed in the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Massachusetts, is now on her defense team. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of weird twists in that.

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<v Speaker 1>And again she is like the most one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most unsympathetic defendants. I mean everything in my body's like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think she did it, but she's such a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of an a hole that you're just like.

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<v Speaker 2>With the jury I think they're questioning ninety something jurors

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<v Speaker 2>today to start this thing up again. Does the jury

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<v Speaker 2>get to see much of that? I mean outside of

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<v Speaker 2>the witness testimony. They may they may paint a bad

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<v Speaker 2>picture of her, but they don't get to see her.

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<v Speaker 3>They see her in the courtroom. Yeah, that's enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Her behavior is not saying anything.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but her behavior in the courtroom, and this was

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<v Speaker 1>a major part of the documentary of people like the

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<v Speaker 1>way she behaved, like smiling, taking pictures of the people.

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<v Speaker 1>All of that was very much like me, me me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a celebrity.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, well, you can guarantee that everybody on the defense

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<v Speaker 2>team has seen that documentary and they're going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>her we're going to cut that s out. You do

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<v Speaker 2>not get ste it.

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<v Speaker 3>Hope they would have done that in real time.

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<v Speaker 1>But defense attorneys are also publicity horrors, So good word,

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<v Speaker 1>what horror publicity?

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kfi

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<v Speaker 4>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Gary and Shannon kfi AM six forty live everywhere on

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<v Speaker 2>the iHeartRadio app Tomorrow, we're going to spend some time

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what's going on with these terrorifts.

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<v Speaker 2>White House aides have drafted a proposal to impose tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>of about twenty percent on most imports to the US,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the Washington Post, but White House advisors are

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<v Speaker 2>saying that there are still several options on the table.

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<v Speaker 2>No final decision has may been made. Last night, the

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<v Speaker 2>President repeatedly suggested that Trump's would be reciprocal and indicated

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<v Speaker 2>that many countries would not be included in the duties.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, worries about the tariffs and the economy have

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<v Speaker 2>caused the S and P five hundred, Nasdaq, and the

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<v Speaker 2>all three of them are in positive territory, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>And then, finally, a revamped anti homelessness funding measure approved

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<v Speaker 2>which means your sales tax just went up and you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even feel it. The county sales tax goes up

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<v Speaker 2>by at least a quarter of ascent, depending on where

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<v Speaker 1>You ever heard of the scene in midtown Manhattan, quite

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<v Speaker 1>the happening place in the sixties, I mean, Jim Morrison,

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Hendricks a Fleetwood Mac, I mean this was.

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<v Speaker 3>The place to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, it was a flash in the pan most

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<v Speaker 1>great clubs are. But it was when this space was

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<v Speaker 1>being demolished in two thousand and three, when the workers

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<v Speaker 1>demolishing the joint started hammering into a section of the

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<v Speaker 1>basement and a skull rolled out.

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<v Speaker 3>That is where we kick off True Crime Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>The story is true, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it sounds made up.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Parry and Shannon present True Crime. Man. If you are

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<v Speaker 2>a fan of those one thousand piece puzzles, this story

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<v Speaker 2>feels like a five thousand piece puzzle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and a lot of different roads that would take

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<v Speaker 1>you in different places.

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<v Speaker 2>The pieces that fit in the wrong spots. Yeah, one

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<v Speaker 2>of those kinds of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, a lot of sky pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of sky and clouds. Well, the scene, that club

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<v Speaker 2>that you're talking about had been many things since the

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<v Speaker 2>sixties when it was shut down. There three h one

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<v Speaker 2>West forty sixth Street had several tenants. In some cases

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<v Speaker 2>it was after the scene had closed and turned into

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<v Speaker 2>a porn shop, a dive bar, and then a restaurant,

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<v Speaker 2>And a restaurant was sort of the key that led

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<v Speaker 2>to the discovery of a body. They were trying to

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<v Speaker 2>put together a walk in freezer in the basement of

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<v Speaker 2>this building, in February of two thousand and three, and

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<v Speaker 2>demolition was the whole thing. The construction workers noticed a

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<v Speaker 2>raised concrete slab behind an aging coal furnace in the

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<v Speaker 2>basement of this building. Six feet wide, five feet long

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<v Speaker 2>a foot high. Didn't make any sense, Why would it

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<v Speaker 2>be there. One of the workers takes out a sledgehammer

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<v Speaker 2>and smashes through the concrete and a human skull falls out.

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<v Speaker 3>The cops arrive. They dig in.

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<v Speaker 1>They find the bones of a girl lying in a

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<v Speaker 1>fetal position, hands and feet bound together by an extension

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<v Speaker 1>cord wrapped around her neck as well. She'd been wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>up in a rust colored rug. At some point cement

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<v Speaker 1>was poured on top of her. They knew she wore

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<v Speaker 1>a size thirty two, a bra, clear pantyhose, a glittery frock.

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<v Speaker 1>They recovered a ring with the initials p McK G,

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<v Speaker 1>a watch issued in nineteen sixty six, a dime dated

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, and a plastic toy soldier.

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<v Speaker 3>What a wild.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what do you call those tubes that you

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<v Speaker 1>plant from years gone by?

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<v Speaker 2>My capsule?

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<v Speaker 1>What a time capsule of a crime scene? Right like

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that all of this was intact is wild.

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<v Speaker 1>There was also DNA from an unknown source, possibly a

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<v Speaker 1>white male, from a hair found in that rug.

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<v Speaker 2>There were some red herrings. They now know they were

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<v Speaker 2>red herrings. In terms of the time your time cap analogy,

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<v Speaker 2>there there was a bag of rat poison that was

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<v Speaker 2>found in that concrete slab that was believed to have

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<v Speaker 2>been manufactured in nineteen seventy nine. There was a clothing

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<v Speaker 2>label which wouldn't have appeared to exist before nineteen eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're trying to kind of backtime this and if

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<v Speaker 2>they know the approximate age of this girl somewhere between

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen and twenty one years old, they go back and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of backdate and try to figure out when are

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<v Speaker 2>they going to start looking through the missing persons reports.

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<v Speaker 2>So they go back to nineteen fifty eight. That's where

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<v Speaker 2>they started. Eventually they realized that that was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be five years too late because those other later things

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<v Speaker 2>that were discovered were just not actually part of the

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<v Speaker 2>case that they were looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, this is all discovered in two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 1>but still technology had not caught up nearly to how

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<v Speaker 1>well it has caught up now, right. They did a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different tests on the DNA. The bones were

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<v Speaker 1>too degragated at that time, degradated to go through and

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<v Speaker 1>get any and for answers from there. But the Cold

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<v Speaker 1>Case unit took a look at this in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>and in twenty twenty three the unit ran the DNA

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<v Speaker 1>profile through COTIS, the National DNA database, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>started using the familial genetic data. This is what we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about numerous times unt how they tracked down the

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<v Speaker 1>Golden State killer it has been used for iding. Jane

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<v Speaker 1>Does as well, a veteran genetic genealogist who joined the

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<v Speaker 1>NYPD on contract, was one of the ones who really

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<v Speaker 1>sat down and poured through all of the DNA. She

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<v Speaker 1>was the one who found the name in an obituary

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<v Speaker 1>for a man named Bernard mccloone. This was after she

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<v Speaker 1>kind of went through the profiles and intersected them her

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<v Speaker 1>the familial DNA and found that there was one there

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<v Speaker 1>was a first cousin, and then there was a second

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<v Speaker 1>cousin on there was a first cousin on the maternal side,

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<v Speaker 1>second cousin on the paternal side. They kind of intersected

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<v Speaker 1>all the data and found out the name Patricia Mclone

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<v Speaker 1>and that was the one that kind of the only

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<v Speaker 1>one that had both of those two people in their tree.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they found the obituary for the guy, Bernard maclone.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So once they get to that point and they've

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<v Speaker 2>got a name for Patricia and they know who she was,

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<v Speaker 2>they know what basically that she was born in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty three, they then have to figure out how did

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<v Speaker 2>she end up in that concrete slab.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, she's sixteen at the time of her death murder,

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<v Speaker 1>you would assume.

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<v Speaker 3>Turns out she had a husband.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very weird.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 4>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about this dead girl for True Crime Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>This young girl that was entombed basically in a concrete

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<v Speaker 1>slab for decades, a hot club in the sixties that

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<v Speaker 1>closed down. It was being demolished in two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 1>and they recover the bones of this girl and we're trying.

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<v Speaker 3>To figure it out who was she.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until a couple of years ago when they're

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<v Speaker 1>running the familial DNA that they get this hit and

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<v Speaker 1>they finally get a name on this girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, was it a young.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl who decided to go to one of the hot

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<v Speaker 1>clubs in midtown, maybe where there was the mafia involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe was her shady thirty two year old husband. What

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen years old and she's got a thirty two year

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<v Speaker 1>old husband. Yeah, there's a lot of ways this girl

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<v Speaker 1>could have turned up dead, is all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, her mom and dad finger quotes had a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>interesting life in that Dad actually had two other families

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<v Speaker 2>by the time he married mom.

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<v Speaker 3>I love a secret family and.

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<v Speaker 2>Try two of them. So there's a lot of mystery

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<v Speaker 2>going into this girl's life. Early on the club itself,

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<v Speaker 2>like we said the scene, the last days were not great.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Paul was the owner. The bunch of people, including

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<v Speaker 2>the mob, were coming in and demanding money for protection, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we've seen that in multiple movies over the

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<v Speaker 2>course of years. He predicted in nineteen sixty seven that

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<v Speaker 2>the club was probably not going to last. And this

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<v Speaker 2>again is after the Doors had a regular residency there.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Hendrix would show up, Leonard Bernstein would walk through

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<v Speaker 2>the halls. Every once in a while, record executives like

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<v Speaker 2>Clive Davis would be there to try to catch a

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<v Speaker 2>musical act before anybody else really saw it. Now, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not clear if nineteen seventy three is about when the

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<v Speaker 2>scene closed down, if Steve Paul, the owner, knew anything

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<v Speaker 2>about the teenage girl that was buried in the basement,

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<v Speaker 2>and if he didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody knew something.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this girl was obviously coming from a troubled home.

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<v Speaker 1>She may have had a teenage pregnancy. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>fight over money between her dead father and the mother

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<v Speaker 1>that remained. There was a brother involved trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>his hands on the money, and so they still have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea how this girl was killed, but still so

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<v Speaker 1>many avenues.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you think you hear these stories and you think, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was the older husband or whatever that impregnated

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<v Speaker 1>her when she was still in high school.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe not.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was a girl who went out to the

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<v Speaker 1>hot club and fell in with the wrong crowd. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was the guy who ran the club that was

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble with the mafia and they said, hey, we

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<v Speaker 1>need you to hide a body and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>put it in this concrete in the basement of your club.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's a number of things that could have

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<v Speaker 3>gone wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, needless to say, the guy that she had married

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<v Speaker 2>is the guy that the NYPD wants more information on.

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<v Speaker 3>Means still with us.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they think. His name is Donald Grant. At

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<v Speaker 2>least they believe his name is Donald Grant. They're very

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<v Speaker 2>interested in learning more information about him, whether he's still alive,

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<v Speaker 2>whoever it might be. What other names did the guy

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<v Speaker 2>actually use, because I mean, it would be obvious. The

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<v Speaker 2>closest person to a missing or murdered person in this

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<v Speaker 2>case is going to be the one that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>have the most information about it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the obvious one.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, there's so much going around around a hot

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<v Speaker 1>club like this with big names, that it's an easy

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<v Speaker 1>place to hide a mistake. Yeah, unfortunately, all right, John

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<v Speaker 1>kencho But if you know Donald Grant, John Kenshaw, how

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<v Speaker 1>about the John Cobalchow?

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<v Speaker 2>Did I say John and Kenshaw?

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<v Speaker 3>Where is Ken?

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<v Speaker 2>You have his number? He doesn't. He never gave me

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<v Speaker 2>a name.

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<v Speaker 3>You Let's see the last time Ken wrote.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm new here, so you have to forgive me. The

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<v Speaker 2>John Cobelt Show's coming up next tomorrow, Our Liberation Day show.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, miss you. That's what I'm writing to. Ken? Is

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<v Speaker 3>that weird? Yes, that's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Noel said, tomorrow, stay drive, everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Blessings.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show. You

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