WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.200 The following presentation is it al Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:12.800 Tonight's program on Alternative Views is one which you may 3 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:17.199 quite frankly not want to watch. It's going to be 4 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:26.800 very disturbing. The subject is very controversial, even disgusting. The 5 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:30.280 language in some of them may be offensive to some people. 6 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:36.079 But we're going to find out tonight about the senior 7 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:39.960 side of the American power structure and maybe something about 8 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:45.399 male homo sapien. Because the subject of tonight's program is 9 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:51.159 boys for sale, boy prostitution. Where these kids come from, 10 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:56.079 how they use, how they're abused, tortured, killed, used sexually, 11 00:00:56.399 --> 00:01:01.359 and who is it that's doing it. We find some 12 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:07.200 very shocking things are happening. We have with us Tom Philpott, 13 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:10.239 the History Department of the University of Texas is a 14 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:14.840 special guest. In an addition, Mark McKinnon, former editor of 15 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:19.760 the Late of Texan at the university. Tom has been 16 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:22.000 doing a lot of research on the subject, and Mark 17 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:26.359 was involved with some articles, very controversial articles a couple 18 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:29.799 of years ago. But before we have our program on 19 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:34.280 boy prostitution, here are some news stories. Well, I guess 20 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:38.680 most of you saw the movie the day after William F. 21 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:46.040 Buckley in his Magnificent mind calls it sheer humbugery and 22 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:49.959 it was a result of junk thought. And then he 23 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:53.120 includes with this, Buckley, I don't know, he's just getting 24 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:59.280 senile or what. I remember a few months ago he 25 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:03.359 wrote an oracle saying that if Nicaragua continues to do 26 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:05.439 what they do, We're going to declare war on them 27 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:08.919 and their backers Cuba and the Soviet Union go to 28 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:12.000 World War three over Nicaragua. Well, anyway, he talks about 29 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:16.039 the nuclear war this way. Remember this, folks, A full 30 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:19.759 scale nuclear war would mean about one hundred million Americans dead. 31 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:21.919 Those hundred million are going to die one of these 32 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:25.199 days without nuclear anesthetic, and they will in almost any 33 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:28.199 case die more painfully. And well, let's have World War three. 34 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:32.599 Yeah, he is really obscene. I think his mind got 35 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:36.560 frozen in the nineteen fifties during the McCarthy period, where 36 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:40.199 he literally believed that there was a monolithic totalitarian evil 37 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:42.919 in the world, the Soviet Union, and everything they do 38 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.280 is bad. Everything we do to counter this is good, 39 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:52.240 including you know, war and militarism and even nuclear war 40 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:55.400 would be justified against this evil. It's almost sort of 41 00:02:55.439 --> 00:03:00.400 a very simplicity Christian view of this Manichean religious in 42 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.560 the fourth century that saw a battle between Satan and 43 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:07.159 the Lord as the primary forces of history. And that's 44 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:08.240 Buckley's mindset. 45 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:10.280 Well, there are a lot of religious nuts now who 46 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:13.400 are welcoming the nuclear holocaust because that would bring on 47 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:17.039 the second Coming of Jesus. So just don't have any 48 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:20.400 of this nuclear free stuff. Well, they're even trying to 49 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.879 say that nuclear war is okay in England. The Ministry 50 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:30.479 of Defense in England has a pr propaganda race going. 51 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:33.879 They're distributing pamphlets and for a while they were dickering 52 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:36.879 with J. Walter Thompson, the big American advertising firm, for 53 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:40.719 one point five million dollar contract to produce slick commercials 54 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:43.360 praising nuclear bombs and saying, hey, we can't let people 55 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:48.439 bullies around, we need these things. The Mother Jones quoted 56 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.240 somebody from the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament there when Senior 57 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.520 Bruce Kent he was saying, there's any factor that got 58 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:58.360 the people in England upset, it was our own government 59 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:02.319 civil defense program telling peopleeople to protect themselves against nuclear 60 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:06.560 war by staying at home, by hiding under kitchen tables 61 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:11.240 and whitewashing their windows. A recent poll, by the way, 62 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.680 indicates that one half of the British people are opposed 63 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:20.319 to these additional missiles being brought into the British isles. 64 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:22.600 As are a growing number of the Germans. There's been 65 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:26.560 several articles about the growing resistance in Germany to the 66 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:30.120 implemmation of these missiles and that yeah, go ahead. 67 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:36.000 Well in Germany, there was back in September. First thing 68 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:38.879 I've heard about it, the US soldiers had conducted a 69 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:45.720 mass mock burial exercise called well, I'll save the name 70 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:48.800 until later, anyway, The exercise trained soldiers how to use 71 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:51.800 bulldozers to prepare for mass graves in the case of 72 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:54.680 nuclear war in Europe. It's the first time, according to the 73 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.879 Army Stars and Stripes, that this occurred. This came from 74 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:02.959 Counterspy magazine and the code name for this exercise it 75 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:04.639 was Confident Enterprise. 76 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:09.360 Wow, I'm seeing there's a very interesting article in these 77 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:11.879 times that puts all of the new Cold War and 78 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:14.839 a very good perspective, and that is that the Reagan 79 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:20.120 administration has claimed that it's tremendous spending on defense, it's 80 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:23.680 building up of the nuclear Arsenal. The spending on these 81 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:27.319 military weapons, putting these weapons systems in Europe is all 82 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:31.959 necessary because Reagan claims over the last five or six years, 83 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.519 the Russians have been increasing their spending on weapons or 84 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:39.240 developments of new weapons, whereas we've been decreasing our spending 85 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:42.480 and a falling behind the Soviet Union. Well, this article 86 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.959 and in these Times indicates that this is total nonsense, 87 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.920 based on complete myths and lies. First of all, they 88 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:52.399 point out that military spending under the Carter years did 89 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:56.800 not decrease as Reagan claimed, but increased two point ninety 90 00:05:56.839 --> 00:06:01.680 five percent from nineteen seventy seven through nine eighteen eighty one. Moreover, 91 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:05.120 the CIA has just come out with a report on 92 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:09.800 Soviet Economic Trends and Policy Development that claims that Soviet 93 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:15.240 spending for military weapons, etc. Has declined over the last 94 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:20.199 years since nineteen seventy six, and that they're spending for 95 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:23.639 new weapons and their development of systems has been much 96 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:28.040 lower than the increases in American spending and the CIA 97 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:32.560 and their report has documented this in great detail. Moreover, 98 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:36.079 Reagan administration has been claiming that one of the priorities 99 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:39.600 of the end dropoff administration in the Soviet Union is 100 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:43.720 also to develop new weapons systems to increase military spending, 101 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:47.160 et cetera, whereas the CIA report also indicate that that 102 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:51.279 is complete nonsense, that there has been a drop of 103 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:55.680 spending for military means under end dropoff, who has been 104 00:06:55.720 --> 00:07:00.279 dedicating the majority of his new spending programs to non 105 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:05.560 military civilian expenditures, etc. So that it's total nonsense that 106 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:09.480 the Soviets are spending more on money on weapon systems, 107 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.920 we're spending less. In fact, during the same period, the 108 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:19.160 Reagan administration has increased military spending sixteen point seven percent annually, 109 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.040 which is the biggest buildup of military defense spending in 110 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:26.959 American history, and in fact, the defense budget that was 111 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.279 passed by the Reagan administration for the coming year is 112 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.439 the highest that has ever been spent in US history. 113 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:37.040 No less than two hundred and forty nine point eight 114 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:41.040 billion dollars will be spent on military spending by the 115 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:45.399 Reagan administration next year, which will include new weapon systems 116 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:49.319 such as the MX nuclear missile, the B one bombers, 117 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:52.800 and other billion dollar programs. For all of these new 118 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:58.519 missiles systems, In fact, the only systems that military systems 119 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:02.600 that the Reagan administration didn't get from Congress was a 120 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:07.439 nerve gas program twice. The Congress voted it down twice. 121 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.160 The Senate approved it on a tie vote, with George 122 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.680 Bush casting the tie breaking vote in both cases, but 123 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.120 the Senate House Conference Committee killed the nerve gas program 124 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:23.680 both times. But otherwise Reagan got all the defense spend 125 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:24.600 he wanted. 126 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:27.680 It's curious that this CIA report came out because two 127 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:31.240 years ago from the alternative press, you remember, we carried 128 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:34.919 stories with just this such analysis. And the fact that 129 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:38.200 the CIA seems to rediscover this two years later is 130 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:40.039 rather curious, and the fact that they would come out 131 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:41.759 with this right now is even more curious. 132 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:45.320 Reagan just plays fast and loose with his statistics and facts. 133 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:48.120 He's literally the biggest liar that we've ever seen in 134 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:49.279 the White House. And it's been. 135 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:56.840 Well along this same line. The Reagan administration, of course, 136 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:00.600 still clings to the zero option for your meaning that 137 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:04.600 Soviets have to dismantle all or most of their existing 138 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:09.919 intermediate range nuclear missiles and then return we will not 139 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:14.519 deploy or use the Pershing two or cruise missiles. Well, 140 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:22.639 the Counterspy quoted a new Congressional Research Service study which 141 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:27.039 showed that the bases for the Reagan administration's claims that 142 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:29.879 they needed to do this were all false, mainly the 143 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:33.360 fact they were saying. The Soviets course say, well, we 144 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.759 got to include the British and French missiles in here, 145 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:38.519 and the Reagan says, now, we don't need to do 146 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:42.279 this because the French and British forces are insignificant when 147 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:45.480 compared to the Soviet arsenal. But this new congressional study 148 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.559 says that isn't true. Britain has four submarines with sixteen 149 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:54.399 six warhead missiles each. France has five nuclear sub marines 150 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:58.200 with sixteen multiple warheads each and eighteen land based missiles 151 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:00.960 and thirty four Mirage planes which can drop a load 152 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.799 on the Soviet Union. And they're working up to fifteen 153 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:06.720 hundred warheads and since it only takes a handful to 154 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:10.840 destroy the country, well that's a plenty. No, it's not 155 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:15.159 to Well, it's understandable the Soviets would be a bit 156 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:18.279 upset about that. Reagan also says that the British and 157 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.960 French forces are independent and uncommitted, the US doesn't have 158 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.399 any control over it. But this congressional study says, no, 159 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:26.240 that's not true. The British forces are going right along 160 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:28.679 with and planned in with those of the US and 161 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:32.600 even the French, although they do have their own control 162 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:36.960 of it. They are signatory to some packs which indicate 163 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:42.039 that they will coordinate their military power with those of 164 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:46.080 the other European countries in the US. Reagan also says 165 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:50.200 the British and French arms are strategic andnot theater nuclear weapons. Well, 166 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:52.559 when they had the Salt negotiations, the US was saying 167 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:54.799 it was just the opposite. So it depends on what 168 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:58.440 negotiations are using they label them the other way. And 169 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:01.200 that's our new segment this evening. Now let's turn to 170 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:10.039 our main focus, boy prostitution. Well, I'm drained already after 171 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:13.320 talking to you people for a couple of days about 172 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:19.559 this subject. I'm absolutely shocked and I feel degraded too 173 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:22.240 as a member of the human race. Tom, can you 174 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.879 first give a case history, just kind of a typical 175 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:28.519 case history, and then we'll talk in greater detail about 176 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:29.600 what happens. 177 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:32.600 All right, I can tell you the biography of a 178 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:38.799 little kid from a hollow in West Virginia whose mom 179 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:41.679 and dad went to Houston to find work. He thought 180 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:46.840 that Houston was the capital of opportunity in America. The 181 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:49.480 dad went out there to get a job, a low 182 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:53.000 level job with an oil company brought. The mother then 183 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:57.919 sent for little Jimmy and his little brother. Jimmy and 184 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:04.000 his brother got to Houston on a greyhound bus and 185 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:06.080 his dad mom failed to pick him up. 186 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:07.519 How old were they. 187 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:09.879 Jimmy at that time was twelve and his little brother 188 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:16.159 was six. They spent the night in the terminal, Jimmy 189 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:20.279 fending off the advances of a number of men, and 190 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:22.360 then the dad came to pick him up. The next morning, 191 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:25.600 the parents had both gotten drunk and forgotten to pick 192 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:30.480 up the kids. The boys went to live with their parents. 193 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:34.799 The parents both had severe drinking problems. The dad lost 194 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:38.039 his job, the mother got killed in a car wreck. 195 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:42.200 The little boy was severely injured. Jimmy dropped out of 196 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:46.399 school to try to hustle was his word, money to 197 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:49.320 help keep the family what was left of it together. 198 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:54.480 The dad died choking in his own vomit after a 199 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.840 drinking bout, and Jimmy was the sole support of himself 200 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:03.679 and his little brother. The rent was coming round and 201 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:06.559 Jimmy had no money. And then a neighbor kid said 202 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:10.200 to him, you can get ten dollars just for watching 203 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:15.000 me play with a man. And Jimmy said, that's queer, 204 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:17.879 and his friend said, it's not queer if the guy 205 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.200 does it to you, if you just let it happen, 206 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:25.080 and all you have to do is watch, Jimmy did it. 207 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:29.519 Then the man offered Jimmy twenty five dollars to let 208 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:32.720 the man play with Jimmy, and Jimmy took it, so 209 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:36.480 he had thirty five dollars, and then he got introduced 210 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:40.200 into the routine. Jimmy was little, only twelve, and he 211 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:43.120 was small for his age, and the circuit he went 212 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.720 on in Houston was not the main one, which is Montrose. 213 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:51.679 He went to a place nearby, an arcade called fun Land. 214 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:54.879 The way that worked was the boys would stand by 215 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:57.600 the machines and a man would come by. If the 216 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:00.200 man offered quarters, the boy would take him, and then 217 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:04.120 the man the boy would go off. Jimmy became a 218 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:08.960 professional prostitute at the age of twelve. He survived in 219 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.200 that capacity until he was fourteen. 220 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.480 Was he working on his own or was he part 221 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:14.360 of an organization? 222 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:16.240 He was not part of an organization. He was what 223 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:19.360 they called the farm League, and he was taking care 224 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:25.840 of his little brother. His brother got killed in a 225 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:28.759 car wreck when he was driving with some people, and 226 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:34.639 Jimmy then was a desolate and almost destitute. He used 227 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:38.919 the last money he had to bury his brother. He 228 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:41.240 did not want to let his last surviving relative, his 229 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:46.440 grandpa in West Virginia, know the way things had gone. 230 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:52.440 A reporter in Houston last saw Jimmy across the street 231 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:57.440 from fun Land, and a man who used to pay 232 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:03.000 boys for sex then told this reporter, I know that boy. 233 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:06.240 He told the man who's a friend of mine, that 234 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:09.559 one time he was having sex with that little boy, 235 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:13.360 and then he realized that the boy was crying, and 236 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:15.480 he looked up and saw that the boy was sucking 237 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:18.639 his own thumb, and at that point he had to 238 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:22.799 break off the encounter. The journalist believes that this reformed 239 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:27.159 man who used to use boys was his own best friend. 240 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:31.440 The boy who had been having sex with Jimmy. Jimmy disappeared. 241 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:38.320 His body was later found mutilated, and his grandfather was notified. 242 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:45.399 The police then told the grandpa in a very cruel way, 243 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:49.320 that the grandpa shouldn't try to get a loan from 244 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:51.679 the city of Houston. It would cost five hundred dollars 245 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:54.120 to ship the body. To ship the body to West 246 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.799 Virginia because the boy was nothing but a harbor whore 247 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:06.200 or worse. Grandpa died shortly thereafter. The whole family is dead. Now. 248 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.720 Jimmy was a typical kid. He wasn't looking for this life. 249 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:15.000 He found it. He needed some means of support. He 250 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:17.320 took what he could get, and he came to grief 251 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:23.000 and met his death. Houston is possibly the worst city 252 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:28.080 in the United States for the misuse of lost and 253 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:34.159 runaway boys or homeless defenseless boys. Probably three hundred and 254 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:37.799 fifty or more boys are killed every year in Houston. 255 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:41.879 About Houston, I would say I hear about Houston, but 256 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:46.000 it is the worst. That children are brought to Houston 257 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:49.000 from places such as New Orleans or from other parts 258 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:50.480 of the Southwest. 259 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:53.120 Their life is sad. It's one hundred percent sad. 260 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:55.240 They get up, you know, one or two or three 261 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:57.679 during the day and they go out and they have to. 262 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:00.000 Earn money, and they're treated bad. 263 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:04.240 They eat only when they're fed by somebody else, and 264 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:05.680 they never get anything for anything. 265 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.079 They always have to return sexual favors for it. 266 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:11.119 They sometimes get beaten, they get robbed, they get pushed, 267 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:12.720 you know, the police abuse them. 268 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:14.839 Everybody abuses them. One young man got out of a. 269 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:16.599 Car by young man, I mean the agent of probably 270 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:19.039 fifteen maybe sixteen, and then he got out of the 271 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.319 car and he was just badly beaten, I mean his 272 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:23.000 note to his bit. He looked right out of his 273 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:25.680 face was black and blue, and blood coming out of 274 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:28.200 his nose, and his lip was fat, and he couldn't 275 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:30.759 walk very well, and he was sick to his stomach 276 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:34.759 and the bushes and he was just very badly beaten evidently, 277 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:37.359 and got either a bad trip or the man was 278 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:39.599 on astinam or something, and just kind of like shoved 279 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:40.240 them out of the cars. 280 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:42.599 He went round the corner, opened the door for him, 281 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:43.160 said get out. 282 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:47.680 Any abem ever want to hurt you. That's why I 283 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:48.640 watch out for him. 284 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:49.920 Do you watch out for them? 285 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:53.480 How do you tell no when they started to jump 286 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:56.759 now want to jump on you? Yeah, if they didn't, 287 00:17:57.880 --> 00:17:59.799 I'll be ready. I'll be watching other time. 288 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:02.039 What do you be doing then. 289 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:04.640 Laying down bed letting just watching? 290 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:06.240 What if they start to jump on you? 291 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:06.799 What can you do. 292 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:09.759 I always care pocketnized somebody that I don't know if 293 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:11.440 they hurt me or not. You know, I just watch 294 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:15.200 out for him just in case they do start out 295 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:15.400 of ten. 296 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:16.279 I'm weird. 297 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:18.680 I mean, they get you know. 298 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:21.200 There was one guy that picked me up in Atlanta 299 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:25.000 and he just said that, you know, he wanted somebody 300 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:26.519 to go out and have a few beers when he 301 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:31.000 was smoking joint. And we got over there and I 302 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:33.079 was drinking his beer and all of a sudden, you know, 303 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:36.119 doing like that, and I couldn't even see straight. My 304 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:39.440 eyes were rolling back, and then the room started spinning 305 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:40.640 and I was out of it. 306 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:42.519 When I came around, he had me tied. 307 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:45.960 Up in the basement, no less way up like this, 308 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:48.240 you know, and I couldn't even move. 309 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:50.200 Yeah, I stretched. 310 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:51.960 What was he doing to you? 311 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:52.400 Nothing? 312 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:54.640 He was just sitting there with this whip looking like 313 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:56.880 he's gonna hit me with it. He just threatened me 314 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:58.559 a lot, and I was sitting there crying and scared 315 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:00.960 to death, you know, because well the worst I could 316 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:01.480 do is kill me. 317 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:05.559 That interview was conducted several months ago in Houston, Texas. 318 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:08.720 Investigators now fear that the fifteen year old is dead. 319 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:12.279 The body of a young man found ritualistically dismembered and 320 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:13.920 Missouri is thought to be his. 321 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:14.799 Oh. 322 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:17.960 Oh, he was clamping handcuffs on me. 323 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:19.839 I was laying on my stomach. 324 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:22.240 The other two were on their stomach. 325 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:23.599 And they were handcuffing. Their feet were tired. 326 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:26.720 The most shocking and horrifying result of older men having 327 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:29.599 sex with young boys is the story of Dean Coral 328 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:32.680 in Houston, Texas, and more recently John Gasey in Chicago. 329 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:35.759 In Houston, Carl lord Or had brought to his home 330 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:39.000 at least twenty seven young boys, all under the age 331 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:44.119 of seventeen. The boys were sexually assaulted then killed in Houston. 332 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:50.200 I give the figure based on I think prudent calculations 333 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:52.559 that upwards of three hundred and fifty boys a year 334 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:57.319 are killed deliberately because of this. Many more die of 335 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:03.720 drug over use, nutrition of suicide. The national toll per 336 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:09.319 year is in the thousands. Every year kids die violently 337 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:14.160 because of this. In the first three months of this 338 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:19.799 year nineteen eighty one, thirty boys were found dead in Houston. 339 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:25.119 None of them was called a homicide. They were found 340 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:29.480 to be dead of exposure. Debt of cause is undetermined 341 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:35.119 debt of massive internal bleeding, as in the case of 342 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:37.680 one child under ten who was found naked in a 343 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:42.119 Dempsey dumpster with his colon and his rectum torn apart. 344 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:45.039 He was called not a homicide but a victim of 345 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:47.319 massive internal injury. 346 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:48.559 He was fist raped. 347 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.920 Yes, what is the sort of psychic roots or the 348 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:54.480 nature of this phenomenon. 349 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.000 I've been studying this phenomenon since the spring of nineteen 350 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:05.440 and to the best of my knowledge, most men who 351 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:11.319 seek sex from boys are not homosexuals to the extent 352 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:14.799 that they have active sex lives at the peer level. 353 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:19.279 They are heterosexual. Many of them have no peer sex 354 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:24.359 at all. There are gay people who are what we 355 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:28.799 call petteris, that is, men who lust after children, especially boys. 356 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:32.440 But it appears to be the case that most such 357 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:39.480 men are not gay. That their attraction is for young, 358 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:45.880 defenseless children, especially boys, because they're more exotic and more forbidden. 359 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:54.759 But it is not a matter of gay rights as 360 00:21:54.799 --> 00:22:00.759 advocated by practically anybody. This is a much different phenomenon. 361 00:22:01.160 --> 00:22:07.799 The reason that the gay community usually scorns any investigation 362 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:11.720 of the subject is that they know that the average 363 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:16.000 person in the public will blame homosexuals and homosexuality for 364 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:19.079 the phenomenon, regardless of what facts are presented. 365 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:22.480 Well, this is not just a sexual thing in the 366 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:25.039 way we talk about it. It's a power trip and 367 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:29.759 it's also a sadistic thing because these kids are tortured 368 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:30.200 and killed. 369 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:33.799 Kind of individuals involved are down the line almost in 370 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:37.119 every instance. In the cases I've investigated, men who are 371 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:41.720 very powerful, usually very wealthy, and usually administrate control over 372 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:42.799 a large number of people. 373 00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:46.960 Wealthy Houstonians can and do obtain boys in a most 374 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:47.920 discreet manner. 375 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:50.759 It's gotten a little more sophisticated now, it's gotten more, 376 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:57.920 it's gotten more expensive prices, higher prices are paid, and 377 00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:03.799 it's it's gotten a little more whisticated in terms of Oh, 378 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:06.559 I think the types of people who are who are 379 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:10.359 into it, types of adults who are into it, professional. 380 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:15.640 People Houston professional people. Yeah, yeah, soliciting boys, oh. 381 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:19.480 Sure, you know, I mean a millionaire. 382 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:23.839 And you have people here that are so wealthy that 383 00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:25.880 they can't let anybody know what they're doing, that they're 384 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:28.440 willing to pay two three four hundred dollars a night, 385 00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:31.240 you know, for one of these boys not to say 386 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:40.119 anything about them, you know, you got judges, doctors, lawyers, politicians, advertising. 387 00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:42.720 People involved in. 388 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:44.599 In buying young people, if it's for an hour, for 389 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:46.319 a night, or for a month or per year. 390 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:49.119 They actually have white slavery in this country. 391 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:53.400 So facts, and then in Houston right now it's going on, Tom. 392 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:58.039 Is there any evidence that there's any connection with organized crime? 393 00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:01.920 Obviously with other forms of prostitution that we know about, 394 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:06.480 they're close connections. The mafia has always utilized prostitution as 395 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:09.839 one of the pillars of its organizations and sources of 396 00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:13.240 its income. Is there any connection here that has been 397 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:15.799 revealed with organized crime. 398 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:19.640 Yes, when we're talking about four hundred kids on the 399 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:21.839 street between two and four in the morning and a 400 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:25.880 city like Houston, there's very little organization. There may be 401 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:28.920