WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:04.799 Find me to the moon. 2 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:11.880 Let me play among the stars. All right, here we 3 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:15.519 go live on site today. We're a little south, but 4 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:17.440 it's not that bad. Come on by and say hi, 5 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:23.120 it's Tim Dolly Nissan Southtown one five South Jordan Gateway. 6 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:26.199 Easiest thing to do is put Tim Dowly Nissan Southtown 7 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:29.239 in your GPS and follow it out. They've got vehicles 8 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:31.920 priced to move. It's there your end sale. But most importantly, 9 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:37.000 if you've never met the legend himself, Richard Smith, and 10 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:42.399 the actual legend himself, Coach Frank Laydon live on site. Coach. 11 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:44.399 Happy holidays, Merry Christmas. How are you, sir? 12 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:47.119 Same to you and your family and to everyone you know, 13 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:47.960 and you. 14 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:50.679 Hold it to you certainly deserve it. Thank you, sir. 15 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:53.240 It's smitty. Happy holidays, Merry Christmas. Great to see you. 16 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:57.000 Thanks mane we uh. We had a nice time driving 17 00:00:57.039 --> 00:00:59.560 out here. I went to uh Uh to see the 18 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:03.039 new Bob Dylan movie yesterday with some friends over here 19 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:05.760 at Jordan Commons and I have friends who live near 20 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:10.079 the University of Utah, and they came out and they said, gee, 21 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:13.159 I thought I was driving to California or something coming 22 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:16.560 out here, because they never go past twenty first, you know. 23 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:18.840 So I said, come on, I'm trying to expand your 24 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:22.000 world and trying to get you into a new realm. 25 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:25.280 And Coach and I came out here and beautiful place 26 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:28.920 here at tim Dally Nissan and they have a great 27 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:31.359 place here and great great folks you know, ready here 28 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:31.760 to help you. 29 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:33.519 I know, recommend the movie. 30 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:35.799 It was great. You enjoyed it, Okay, you know it's good. 31 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:39.680 The actor Timothy Shallomy, you know, young guy. He does 32 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:44.359 a great job with Bob Dylan. I had had gone 33 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:48.439 back and watched a few early Bob Dylan things conterviews 34 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:52.400 and stuff, and didn't realize how much this actor looked 35 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:55.040 like him back there in the early days when he 36 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:57.680 was in his early twenties in New York. And and 37 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:00.359 he did a fantastic job. And it was there's a 38 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:03.239 great storyline, you know, learning about the early years he 39 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:03.920 was in New York. 40 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:06.599 Cool, very nice. I'll have to check it out. Coach. 41 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:09.199 I wonder how much how much Jazz basketball are you 42 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:09.840 watching this year? 43 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:14.159 Well? I get on TV, okay, so I mean that's 44 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:15.360 a lot. I watch every game. 45 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:17.960 You watch every game? Yes, okay, how do you think 46 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.319 the progress is coming along with some of these younger 47 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:21.960 players we're trying to learn about. 48 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:25.759 I have to be honest with you in this respect, 49 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.960 and uh and all fans to everyone concerned. I don't 50 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:32.120 know what it was like from the beginning. Okay, I 51 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:34.719 don't intend their workouts. I don't know what they're looking 52 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:38.400 to do, all right. I think they've got some good 53 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:39.319 young talent. 54 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:45.719 Uh. Does it become the is it? Is it? Well? Eventually? 55 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.560 Be you a foundation or is it what you're what 56 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:51.360 you're building the house on. I don't know. 57 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:56.000 I I think there's sometimes I like them very much. 58 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:59.479 Sometimes I find it a little frustrating. 59 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:01.800 But I think that's what all of us. I don't know. 60 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:05.159 You know, it's interesting. I said to Smithy coming over. 61 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:09.360 I was watching the game by myself last night, watching 62 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:11.919 the game, and it could be anybody, right, it didn't 63 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:15.280 matter whether Jazz or somebody else. And I said to myself, 64 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:20.240 is this a game that I recognize what has happened? 65 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.800 I'm thinking, I know there's going to be changes, you know, 66 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:28.240 whether it's baseball, football or anything else. You know, if 67 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:31.599 I look at say baseball, has there been great changes? Yeah? 68 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:36.319 In the equipment size, of the athlete training perspectives. So 69 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:40.120 like that the athletes better, but the records keep going up. 70 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:42.199 I mean, guys are still hitting home runs and what 71 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:47.360 have you. So in football, you know, linebackers when I 72 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:51.400 was playing, they were one sixty eight, not at two 73 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.120 eighty yet, right, so you know the game changes that 74 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:58.039 the physical Cybernar and I watched basketball, and I say, 75 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:02.479 is this a game? I don't recognize. It's not the 76 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:06.400 game I started out playing. And I think somewhat, if 77 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:09.039 I had to say, and if I had sum it 78 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:12.240 up in one word, what is different? I'm not saying, 79 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.479 but I mean, it's not better. The athletes are better. 80 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:18.920 The game is probably better, I mean as the referee 81 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:22.560 and is better. Uh, and certainly the players from from 82 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:25.079 one to twelve or better. But I do say this 83 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:29.120 that I don't know what it's about. Is it about 84 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:31.959 just trying to outscore the other guys? I'll play them, 85 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.120 out run them. Is it a foot racer? Is a 86 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:35.519 is it a marathon? 87 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:37.199 You know, I don't know. 88 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:40.480 I I'd really have to sit down, maybe with a 89 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:44.600 couple of old timers and a couple of new people 90 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.199 in the game and see what they're what they're trying 91 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:49.399 to obtain. I don't know what their goals are. I 92 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:51.680 have to be honest with you. I think you used 93 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:54.720 to be able to put say, say on a team, 94 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.360 on a coach and the staff or an organization. This 95 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:02.439 is a team that plays control bad. Red Holsman held 96 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:07.079 the ball, you know, And the fans used to holler defense, 97 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:10.680 defense in the garden. But it wasn't defense. It was 98 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:15.079 how selfish they were. They never turned the ball over. 99 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:17.879 They always took good shots, and they were good shot 100 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:20.759 They were good players obviously. You know, I'm going back 101 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:23.879 to the championship teams of Bill Bradley, those guys. 102 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:25.720 By any way, Yeah, And I don't know. 103 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:28.759 I found a very hard to do that with teams today. 104 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:32.120 Is there some coach out there or some team out 105 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:34.439 that I can say, Wow, you're going to have your 106 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:38.959 hands full because Jerry Sloan is coaching, and then they're 107 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.000 going to be a tough defensive team and he's going 108 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:43.000 to make great demands of them, of. 109 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:44.439 Their bodies and what have you. 110 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:50.120 Frankly, and without without interjecting Jerry Sloan, there is I 111 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:53.079 don't I can't put my finger on it. 112 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:54.199 Is that crazy? I don't know. 113 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:56.639 No, it's it's interesting because I wondered what you're and 114 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:58.600 I was going to ask you about the actual product, 115 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:01.720 because there's in Smitty and I've talked about this. There's 116 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:04.680 this debate that's going on right now about why people 117 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:07.399 aren't watching the NBA the way they used to. 118 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:07.560 Now. 119 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:11.079 The Christmas Day games pulled some good numbers. They were 120 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:13.800 also awesome games, and they featured some of the biggest 121 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:16.240 stars that we have in the league. But Smittie, when 122 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:18.959 you hear Frank talk about the product and not being 123 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:22.240 better or worse, just but just being different, is it 124 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:26.240 the analytical effect where everyone's trying to hunt threes? Is 125 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:28.240 everyone trying to play like Boston? Like, what are your 126 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:29.680 thoughts on the different product? 127 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.439 Yeah? I think I think a couple of things, Spence. 128 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:36.240 One is that the NBA has set up the defensive 129 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:40.839 rules over the last ten years to encourage more open play. More. 130 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:43.160 You know, you can't hand check, you can't get guys 131 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.920 out out in front, you can't keep them, you know, 132 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:48.639 with your hand or with an arm bar, and so 133 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:51.800 guys have a free reign to the basket. So and 134 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:56.360 then you couple that with the analytics that everybody's into now, 135 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:00.519 and some teams do it way overboard, and my opinion, 136 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.160 other teams use it to you know, to their advantage. 137 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:07.000 But it's but all the analytics show that you have 138 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:10.800 a greater chance of winning an individual game if you 139 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:14.160 either get all your shots at the rim, which means 140 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:16.800 you know, driving the ball one on one, getting in 141 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:19.480 a lane, getting a scene, getting to the rim, or 142 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:23.199 getting there the defense collapses and then you kick it 143 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.240 out to a three point shooter. So everybody is trying 144 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:28.439 to get If you look at their shot charts in 145 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:32.720 recent years, most teams are really overweighted where you have 146 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:37.160 all these attempts at the rim or all these attempts 147 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:40.240 from three point land. Last night, for example, the Jazz 148 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:44.439 shot forty two threes, which is which is a big number. Now. 149 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:47.839 They had it rolling. They shot fifty percent. You know, 150 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:50.240 if you can shoot fifty percent from three, then you 151 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:53.480 should be taking that that number. Three's right. But they 152 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:56.279 had a great night. It fell short because you know, 153 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:58.240 it plays at the end of the game and they 154 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:00.759 got beat on a buzzer beater. But but that's what 155 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:05.279 all the coaches are coaching now. And then the coaches point, 156 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:09.319 you know, the guys are more athletic that they're they're quicker, 157 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:13.720 they're uh, they they get they get their first step 158 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:19.480 quicker off the bounce because the defense is is is 159 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:22.399 in a tough position because unless you're a really good 160 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:26.639 reactionary player and you can really uh stay in front 161 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:29.639 of a guy, you're usually playing a step or two 162 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:31.839 off because you know he's trying to get an advantage 163 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:34.480 putting the ball on the floor and getting to the rim. 164 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:36.919 So if you if you play off him too much, 165 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:40.559 then he's he's coached to just shoot over the top, 166 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:43.720 Just take the three step back, whatever you've got to do, 167 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:46.240 and shoot it over the top. And if you come 168 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.679 up on him and you think you're a good defensive player, 169 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:51.039 he's going to put it down and he's going to 170 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:52.919 try and get in that lane. And that's what they 171 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:56.440 coach him. There's no more screening. Uh. They they're all 172 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:00.159 fake screens. Everybody plays scripts, slip screens. They don't they 173 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:03.000 don't actually screen a guy like John Stockton used to do. 174 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:07.720 There's no weak side action to screen to get a 175 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.559 guy open, to get a guy cut baseline, anything like that. 176 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:16.000 Everything's five out that nobody plays through the post anymore. 177 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:20.039 And that's because of the drive of analytics now, and 178 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:22.720 the coach is believing that that they have a better 179 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.679 chance to win the game when they play that kind 180 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:28.399 of ball, either at the rim or three point shooting. 181 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:32.919 I wonder is there any way to zig when everybody's zagging? Like, Okay, 182 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:35.679 everybody's playing like this, and everybody looks at what Joe 183 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:39.639 Mazzoo has done in Boston, but not everybody has that roster, right, 184 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.039 So it's like when everybody said, okay, well Steph is 185 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:44.039 doing this, can we do what? No, you can't do 186 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:47.120 that because he's one of one. So I wonder if 187 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:50.879 there's a way to coach like coach it differently, to 188 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:53.559 come up with a different game plan to counter what 189 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:56.159 everybody's doing because not everybody has that talent. Does that 190 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:56.600 make sense? 191 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:59.720 Oh yes, but I think you have to be who 192 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:00.000 you are. 193 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:02.799 He have a coach? Would you know? Okay, and would 194 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:03.440 you believe it? 195 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:05.000 All right? Uh? 196 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.840 You know is come out of spread the floor? All right? 197 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:11.799 There's a lot of coaches who don't realize that. You know, the. 198 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:17.519 Offense starts the strong side, the width of the floor 199 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:21.039 is being started. The minuature retain possession of the wall, 200 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:24.639 whether that be a steal or a rebound. Everybody should 201 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:27.759 start to get ready to form that infield when they 202 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:31.440 get down into the shooting area. I don't see enough 203 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.360 of that, I think, And that has to be by design. 204 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:38.360 It has to be practiced and has to be preached. 205 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:42.519 But whether you hire I don't know Pat Riley all 206 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:44.679 right to come back into the game and say, alright, 207 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:45.240 go coach. 208 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:47.240 Would he be stumbling by this? 209 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:47.679 No. 210 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:52.240 I think Pat would probably recruit or sign players that 211 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:55.919 fit into his pattern and then he would coach them accordingly, 212 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:58.639 you know. But I think the game is still one 213 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.919 from the inside out, counting what you're going to get 214 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:02.639 on fast. 215 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:05.960 Breaks and whatever. If forty eight what they shoot last 216 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:06.480 night said. 217 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:10.240 Forty eight forty two threes, and how many of those 218 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:11.960 threes were good shots? 219 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.000 Right, we don't know, you know, common. 220 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:18.120 Those led to baskets down the other end giving the 221 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:18.720 ball up. 222 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:20.720 So I mean, you have to you have to see 223 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:21.120 the game. 224 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:23.679 But I think you've got to have a philosophy and 225 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:25.639 you've got to live within that philosophy. 226 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:26.279 You know. 227 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:29.039 It was like Jerry Sloan and I we never had 228 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:29.600 an argument. 229 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:34.200 I mean we never discussed something about players or or 230 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:37.080 what we're what we're going to do at a certain 231 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:40.240 time in the game or in the season. We seem 232 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:43.399 to agree all the time, but one time we did everything. 233 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.000 Is that I used to like to see the defensive 234 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:47.320 slide within each other. 235 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.879 And Jerry Sloan was always over the top. You've got 236 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:52.720 to play a man, get in as Jock, stay on 237 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:53.240 top of him. 238 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:57.080 And overall his philosophy was correct. We fouled a little 239 00:11:57.120 --> 00:11:58.360 bit more and. 240 00:11:58.399 --> 00:11:59.799 But we got it. We start to get up. You 241 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:02.200 take being a pretty good defensive date. 242 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:05.679 You know, Samity, I wonder what your thoughts are on 243 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.039 the dynamic of because the coach's point, you have to 244 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:12.799 be who you are, and you know, analyze your personnel. 245 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.279 And as I said, I mean maybe Joe Mazzola is 246 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:18.600 a genius, or maybe he has the best roster in 247 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:21.919 pro basketball. And you know, you can't replicate what other 248 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:24.440 teams are doing when you don't have that personnel. So 249 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.720 is there some way that because you have to adapt 250 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.200 and adjust, and if what you're doing is not as 251 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:33.039 good as what the other guy's doing, maybe there's a 252 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:36.039 different way you can approach playing the game or have 253 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:38.080 analytics just seeped in. Because the other thing I hear 254 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:39.799 a lot of people say is they feel like most 255 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:42.440 teams play the same. Does that make sense? 256 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.639 Yeah? I think, well, I think you know, everybody's you know, 257 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:50.840 has some kind of a weighted usage of the analytics stuff. 258 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:54.159 Sometimes it's the head coach. Sometimes it comes from the 259 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:57.159 front office, from a general manager or play a personnel, 260 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:00.879 a guy you know who's an analytics driven person. Hey. 261 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:03.840 Sometimes in this day and age spence, it even goes 262 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:06.480 all the way to the owner because several of the 263 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:09.360 owners now are tech guys, you know, whether it's the 264 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:12.720 Jazz owner Ryan Smith, who comes from the tech background, 265 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:15.919 or or Steve Balmer and with the Clippers, or Mark 266 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:20.240 Cuban with Dallas, you know, and Vivick Renadev who's who's 267 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:26.159 the owner of the Sacramento Kings. You know, they all 268 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:29.080 have tech backgrounds, so they wait. Also they think that 269 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:31.600 that kind of stuff, you know, makes a lot of sense. 270 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:34.519 I one of the things I see in the game is, 271 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:38.720 you know, to coaches point is that I don't think, uh, 272 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:43.039 there are enough players who play defense aggressively enough to 273 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:45.720 force the action of what they want, in other words, 274 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:47.879 to be, you know, to to to be the one 275 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:51.159 who dictates the action. You know, there's too many players 276 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:55.399 and too many teams in the NBA who are reactionary defenders. 277 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.120 In other words, they sit back and they wait to 278 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.279 see what the offensive guy is gonna do, and then 279 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:05.080 they try to catch up or they try to stop 280 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:06.720 them when it's too late. You know. One of the 281 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:11.039 Jazz's issues all last year and so far to this 282 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:13.759 point this year is that they have a problem with 283 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:17.080 their transition defense, in particular, because they don't get out 284 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:19.559 and stop the ball when it gets over half court, 285 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:22.120 and they don't make the dribbler pick up the ball 286 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:24.399 and and and get it in his hand for a 287 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:27.200 second or two, you know, make them pass it east 288 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:29.879 to west so that then the defense can get back 289 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.720 to coaches point and set up that defense, you know, 290 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:36.759 that tier of defense and play inside out defensively. Nobody 291 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:40.200 does that and and the Jazz don't do it now defensively. 292 00:14:40.279 --> 00:14:43.720 So that's that's either because they can't do it, or 293 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:47.399 because they're they're they're too lazy to do it as 294 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:53.000 individual players, or it's because they're not they don't have 295 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:57.000 the physical ability to get up and stop guys early, 296 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:00.120 you know, in their track and and that's but that's 297 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:02.679 not just them, that's a lot of the NBA. You know, 298 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:05.840 Oklahoma City's getting a lot of credit so far this 299 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.240 year for being a top defensive team. And that's one 300 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:11.639 of the things I see them when I watch them play, 301 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:15.120 is that they get up in you early, and they 302 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:19.039 they dictate the action. In other words, they're trying to 303 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:20.960 tell the offense no, no, no, we're not going to 304 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:23.480 let you run your play and get the ball to 305 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:25.679 the guy you're trying to get it to. We're going 306 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:29.080 to get up in you. We're gonna get under you 307 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:32.720 with the ball. We're gonna deny the guy who's trying 308 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:35.480 to get up over a screen to get the pass. 309 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:38.919 And now we're making you do something you don't want 310 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:42.879 to do. From a defensive standpoint. Not enough teams do 311 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:46.120 that in the NBA. Most teams sit back and try 312 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:49.879 and recover, you know, you know, when it's too late. 313 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:52.000 I mean, how many times you see guys coming over 314 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:55.240 a half court and transition and the defensive players back up, 315 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:57.879 back up, back up, and then all of a sudden 316 00:15:57.919 --> 00:15:59.399 they're at the rim and it's all over. 317 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:02.240 See in her quarter We let the guy out there 318 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:05.399 keep his it be likely saying to the quarterback, or 319 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:07.320 there's only a few seconds left, so you got back 320 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:09.440 there and look around and see what you want to do, 321 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:13.120 rather than being the aggressor and taking that away from them. 322 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.440 You know, I thought there was I learned something I 323 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:16.720 thought was important. 324 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:17.720 Early in my career in the pros. 325 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.679 Hubie Brown was the coach at the with Atlanta, and 326 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.679 he used to say, tell me three things that I 327 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:28.240 can take away from the other team. What three things 328 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:30.559 do they do the best stuff? And those are three 329 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:34.080 things I want to go after and I want to change. 330 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:38.159 The other thing I thought was interesting was sense of responsibility. 331 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:39.679 Let's take for inst I'll take it. 332 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:41.519 I'll take him because he happened to be one of 333 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:45.639 my favorite players was Bobby Hanson. Bobby Hanson would have 334 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.080 the tough job of taking on Michael Jordan or Magic, 335 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:51.879 right o Magic. But you can't stop Michael Jordan nor Magic. Yep, 336 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:54.840 all right, So I'd say, well, what's the AFTERRAWA just 337 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.759 from I don't know, Let's say Michael Jordan's averaging twenty 338 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:00.200 eight points a game. I'd say, all right, can you 339 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:02.679 hold them? The twenty four. Can you hold them to 340 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:06.920 twenty six? That's hold them is they keep them within range. 341 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.279 If we can keep this team, if everybody does that 342 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.599 down the line and we have them off, what their 343 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:14.960 production is gonna be? 344 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:15.880 All right? 345 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:19.480 And we see a sense of responsibility. Someone jumps over 346 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:21.480 you a couple of times, beat you, then someone else 347 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:22.640 is coming in to do the job. 348 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:24.839 And the players should all know. 349 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:28.160 That they're going to get this opportunity, and if they do, 350 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:29.720 then challenge them to do that. 351 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.759 But you know, we were our analytics are a little different, 352 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:35.359 but I thought we could. 353 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:39.960 Win if we gave up nine offensive rebounds and a half. 354 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:42.200 That's eighteen in the game. That seems like a lot. 355 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:43.720 But we're not gonna go above it. 356 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:45.839 And the chance is that we're gonna fight to stay 357 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:47.759 down below it. All right. 358 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:50.759 We're gonna so many fast breaks, We're gonna make so 359 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:53.519 many free throws. We're gonna get to the free throw line. 360 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:57.799 Anybody gets an offensive rebound automatically has the option to 361 00:17:57.799 --> 00:17:59.920 get the next shot, to take it right back up. 362 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:01.599 I'm not going to fool around with it. You get 363 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.279 an offensive rebound, great, So you get guys like John 364 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:07.200 Drew who just eat up the offensive board to get 365 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:08.839 the ball back so they could get back to the 366 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.000 board and take it, maybe get a three point play 367 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:11.200 out of. 368 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:11.599 It, you know. 369 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:12.759 Yeah. 370 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:14.160 Uh, And I think there's a time and you have 371 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:16.759 to shut it down. And they say that's enough. Three 372 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:20.599 points today, three point shots to today, you know, except 373 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:22.920 for you know, if it's one or second or something. 374 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:26.200 But everyone knows that's it. But I mean they pump 375 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:28.440 them up there and and I don't know, like I say, 376 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:31.400 it's a different game. It's a different game than I remember. 377 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:35.440 And I'm not sure that if everybody buys this game, 378 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:38.519 you know, it's it's a little it's a little too uh, 379 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:40.200 it's a little wild sometimes. 380 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:43.079 Yeah, And that might be to your point. It's about 381 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:45.880 the ratings and stuff. You know. I think that we've 382 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:48.759 talked before about a lot of different other options of 383 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:52.119 entertainment and how to spend your time, you know, nowadays 384 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:56.039 with the access to the internet and the younger generation 385 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:58.880 having other options that they prefer to go to. But 386 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:02.160 but I think the coaches, if you're uh, if you're 387 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:04.559 playing a sloppy game, if you're playing just you know, 388 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.279 chuck them up, like you know, some games look like 389 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:09.880 a version of the All Star Game where guys just 390 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:12.599 come over half court and one pass and shoot, one 391 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:15.440 pass and shoot, or no, no pass and shoot, whatever 392 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.720 it is. And I think sometimes at the fans at 393 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:21.599 some point they go, well, you know, are they really 394 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:23.799 trying or is it just kind of a you know, 395 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:25.759 we're just freewheeling out here. Yeah. 396 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:29.480 No, it might be owners, owners and coaches were afraid 397 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:30.119 of the players. 398 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:31.880 Yeah, what do you mean, I'm not going to take 399 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:33.640 a shot. I'm not going to get a shot. Yes, 400 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:36.440 then you won't be around long for me. So I 401 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:39.079