Speaker 1: The weird Things happened in the Weird Weird. Hello, everybody,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Bledso said, so, I'm actually quite excited to
Speaker 1: discuss tonight's topic. This is a text I'll just go
Speaker 1: ahead and say it's called Zostriano's and I have had
Speaker 1: this one on the back burner for a few months
Speaker 1: now to kind of get around to talking about this.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, and we discussed this what was it,
Speaker 1: I guess last episode because Revelation was a two part
Speaker 1: But the the night that we began to record the
Speaker 1: two part Revelation series, I was going to do this
Speaker 1: one and I decided, Nah, Revelation kind of time sensitive.
Speaker 1: My son is coming. We're now two weeks away from
Speaker 1: the do dates. I was like, let me slide this back.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I've been meaning to talk about this for
Speaker 1: a while and it's very fascinating and I'm slowly working
Speaker 1: my way through the Nagamadi Codex and I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of picking up all these different texts along the way
Speaker 1: and finding how they fit into my life experiences and
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Speaker 1: It's great, and it's weird that my first conference, Alex
Speaker 1: couldn't be there, in then Alexis first conference I couldn't
Speaker 1: be there. Maybe the energy is too powerful, we can't
Speaker 1: both be there simultaneously for the first one. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but regardless, it's gonna be a good time, and I
Speaker 1: do regret that I can't go. All right, well, let
Speaker 1: me let me just get into Zostrianos. So admittedly, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give a disclaimer here that usually when I read
Speaker 1: any sort of text that I talk about on the show,
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm sort of imagining that the listener,
Speaker 1: if I'm doing a well enough job, which I'm like,
Speaker 1: how could I know, I'm imagining that the listener would
Speaker 1: somewhat become intrigued enough to check it out for themselves
Speaker 1: and would be moved to read, to research them, to
Speaker 1: look into them. Because I am personally a big believer
Speaker 1: in first hand sources. So if you want to learn
Speaker 1: about something, you need to go right to the source. Great,
Speaker 1: listen to me talk about it. That's wonderful. You may
Speaker 1: learn new stuff that you've never heard about. But ultimately,
Speaker 1: the best way to learn is to look at sources
Speaker 1: yourself with your own eyes. That's how I was trained
Speaker 1: in college. You know, we were like required to go
Speaker 1: and look at certain first hand sources and then read
Speaker 1: books where authors are discussing them and talking about them
Speaker 1: in modern times, so you have to learn about the
Speaker 1: difference between like first hand sources and second sources. So
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm always like, I'm sure they're checking
Speaker 1: these out at home, right, Someone's got to be now.
Speaker 1: The disclaimer is this text that I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: about tonight. Although it is profoundly interesting, I probably would
Speaker 1: not recommend it to my worst enemy. And it was
Speaker 1: a trudge to get through, and it is very repetitive,
Speaker 1: and when you google it it even speaks how out
Speaker 1: of the entire Nagamadi library, it is probably the most
Speaker 1: difficult one to get through, and of course I read
Speaker 1: that after I sat there for a few hours and
Speaker 1: read it today and again. It is very interesting and
Speaker 1: it's very valuable, and it's very important to the Gnostic cosmology.
Speaker 1: But it's not exactly an interesting read. The material is interesting.
Speaker 1: It's like Lord of the Rings. And I know people
Speaker 1: will get upset about this. I love Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1: I love the movies. I've seen them like a dozen
Speaker 1: times through every one of them since I was a kid.
Speaker 1: The book I've tried two or three times. Back when
Speaker 1: I was in high school. I was a big reader, dude.
Speaker 1: I would read books like that like days. I would
Speaker 1: consume seven hundred page books. Literally. One time I read
Speaker 1: one in one sitting. It was Harry Potter seven and
Speaker 1: it took me twelve hours. I was the kind of
Speaker 1: kid where if you gave me a book that was interesting,
Speaker 1: I would just blow through it. And I tried to
Speaker 1: read through The Fellowship of the Rings or The Fellowship
Speaker 1: of the Ring three times and the Hobbit, and I
Speaker 1: just I never could commit. And of course that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's a bad book or it's anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's just the way that it was written was not
Speaker 1: necessarily engaging. It didn't. It didn't keep me. It was
Speaker 1: very much over And this is just my opinion. I
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of people that'd be like boom,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people I do talk to who
Speaker 1: are diehard Lord of the Rings fans they say the
Speaker 1: same things. They're like, you know, watch the movies. The
Speaker 1: books are amazing. Read them, but that's for the super nerds.
Speaker 1: It's just the way it's written, right, the jargon. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of the case with Ostriano's here. It's not
Speaker 1: a bad text, it's very important, but the way that
Speaker 1: it was written was so hard to commit to. This
Speaker 1: is probably the first time that I'm going to come
Speaker 1: out and be like, eh, let's just talk about this one.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to be very like, ooh,
Speaker 1: this is riveting material when you're reading it, because it's
Speaker 1: just enormous, repetitious praises to ineffable beings and then little
Speaker 1: tiny bouts of exposition about the cosmology of the universe,
Speaker 1: and then it'll be like paragraphs and paragraphs of praise
Speaker 1: as of beings with a bunch of Greek names, and
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, if they slashed out all that and
Speaker 1: then just had all the combined parts talking about the
Speaker 1: cosmology and the nature of the soul and the ineffable.
Speaker 1: They could have slashed like sixty percent of it and
Speaker 1: it would have been like, Oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: mind blowing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Do you think in a sense that it might act
Speaker 2: as a barrier or like a built in sort of
Speaker 2: initiatic thing where you know that maybe it's written in
Speaker 2: that way to deter a lot of people.
Speaker 1: It could be that that's possible. It's definitely an initiatic text,
Speaker 1: because as we know, with all of the Gnostic texts,
Speaker 1: they are in some way initiatic, purportedly containing, you know,
Speaker 1: the secret teachings of Jesus, some of them literally they'll say,
Speaker 1: like the Secret Gospel of John, the Secret Gospel of
Speaker 1: you know, so on and so forth. There's there's several
Speaker 1: secret gospels known as the apocryphaons, right like the Apocryphon
Speaker 1: of John, the Apocaphon of James, the Apocaphon of Truth,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So, yeah, no doubt, And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: discuss that in the material because I did read it.
Speaker 1: I actually did trudge through the whole text. I down
Speaker 1: till like twenty minutes before Alex got here, I was
Speaker 1: reading it and trying to finish it, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, I just fried my brain.
Speaker 1: It was so much of a mental obstacle to stay
Speaker 1: focused on the text because of the jargon. But despite
Speaker 1: all that, it is amazing, and in the nature of
Speaker 1: what it is claiming, it is profound too, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to go into all that, but there are moments
Speaker 1: in the text that are very clearly speaking to the
Speaker 1: nature of the mysteries, and at one point it even
Speaker 1: mentions that. So we've discussed this before a long time ago,
Speaker 1: but in gnostic cosmology, particularly in Valentinian gnostic cosmology, but
Speaker 1: tonight the text that we're discussing is Sethian. There were
Speaker 1: different schools of Gnostic thought in the day, just like
Speaker 1: today you have Baptists, you have Pentecostal, you have Methodists.
Speaker 1: It's the same concept. They were a group of people
Speaker 1: who had a similar idea, but they had like different
Speaker 1: little caveats on how they believed it, and they clung
Speaker 1: to each other. And that's that. There's nothing more. So
Speaker 1: there are three versions of human incarnation in Gnostic cosmology,
Speaker 1: and then they have slightly slight disagreements in Valentinian and
Speaker 1: Gnostic I mean Sethi a gnosticism. So it's commonly known
Speaker 1: as the high licks, which are if you think of
Speaker 1: the NPCs of the world who have no measure of
Speaker 1: spiritual inclination or desire to connect to God or to
Speaker 1: be good or righteous or anything. They're completely material, They're
Speaker 1: completely trapped in the ignorance of the illusion, and they
Speaker 1: are you know, degenerate, and they shown absolutely no outward
Speaker 1: signs of being intrigued by the mysteries or wanting to
Speaker 1: connect to a higher power. That is the high lix.
Speaker 1: They are basically seen as being dead inside, that they
Speaker 1: are completely a material incarnation with no essence of spirit,
Speaker 1: and that they belong to the physical world, and that
Speaker 1: they are a part of the physical world. So that's
Speaker 1: the HIGHLYX. And then you have the psychics, which are
Speaker 1: people who are psychic literally psychic, and they are spiritual,
Speaker 1: but they are still not fully awakened, so they have
Speaker 1: the disposition to maybe they're connected to mainstream religions. Maybe
Speaker 1: they And again this is Gnostic thought. This isn't me
Speaker 1: making this up. This is several thousand year old writings, right,
Speaker 1: but maybe they're connected to mainstream religions and they still
Speaker 1: have attachment to the world, and they don't fully see
Speaker 1: through the illusion, but they are to a degree awakened,
Speaker 1: and they have psychic ability, and they have a soul.
Speaker 1: And then there are the pneumatics, which is the Greek
Speaker 1: word numa, which is soul, and they are like the
Speaker 1: fully realized or the fully awakened, or as the Seth.
Speaker 1: The Agnostics believed it was the descendants of Seth, who
Speaker 1: in biblical terms, was the son of Adam and Eve.
Speaker 1: After Cain enable you know, able to slaughter, and then
Speaker 1: Cain wanders. You know that story, right, He gets the
Speaker 1: the curse mark of God on his head and you know,
Speaker 1: you get the whole avenged sevenfold if any being would
Speaker 1: harm him, and his wrath is to roam the earth
Speaker 1: and terror and he can't die. That that whole story.
Speaker 1: So then after that thing happens with Canaan Abele Adam,
Speaker 1: and you have another son named Seth. So the Sethian
Speaker 1: Gnostics believed that they were the descendants of Seth, and
Speaker 1: that the divine revelation of these mysteries of God before
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ incarnated. They believe that an angel of revelation
Speaker 1: appeared to Seth, or even rather actually appeared to Adam
Speaker 1: and revealed to him the mysteries of his son in
Speaker 1: the lineage of his son Seth, and how they would
Speaker 1: go on to be connected to Christ somehow. I haven't
Speaker 1: read all the Sethian text, but it's it's interesting anyway.
Speaker 1: So back to the pneumatics. So the pneumatics were believed
Speaker 1: to be the fully awakened and Sethian versions. They believe
Speaker 1: they're the descendants of Seth, and that they are fully
Speaker 1: realized spirit, and that they completely see through the illusion
Speaker 1: of the physical world, and that they reduce their attachments,
Speaker 1: and that they are at their will. When they are ready,
Speaker 1: they can fully awaken, be on the physical world and
Speaker 1: no longer incarnate here. So that's the pneumatics. This whole
Speaker 1: soliloquy was about. At some point in the text, it
Speaker 1: refers to the awakened ones as neophytes of the mysteries,
Speaker 1: and if you know anything about that terminology, a neophyte
Speaker 1: is a candidate to receive the mysteries. So we're talking
Speaker 1: about a Sethian Christian gnostic text written in the two
Speaker 1: hundreds a d. That we know because of the writings
Speaker 1: of Platonists and Porphyry, that it was somehow this school
Speaker 1: of thought, the Sethian Gnostics were connected to the modern
Speaker 1: at the time Neoplatonists, who were the you know, Plato
Speaker 1: lived four hundred years BC. For years and years and years,
Speaker 1: there was still mystery schools and wisdom schools devoted to
Speaker 1: maintaining the teachings of Plato, and they were called the Neoplatonists.
Speaker 1: And we know because of these historical writers that the
Speaker 1: Neoplatonists and that the Gnostics in many cases were friends,
Speaker 1: and that they influenced each other. And what do we
Speaker 1: know about Plato? That he was an initiative of the
Speaker 1: mysteries which came from where Egypt, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: the author of this text Zostrianos, which is written in
Speaker 1: the first person, and it is from the man himself
Speaker 1: describing his mystical is sent through the heavenly realms up
Speaker 1: to the highest aon of the lady, which in this
Speaker 1: text is referred to as Barbello, the first emanated one.
Speaker 1: That Zostrianos even indicates that there may this is a
Speaker 1: big deal, that there may be a direct line of
Speaker 1: succession of his ancestry all the way back to Zoroaster.
Speaker 1: So we have an actual historical text here that is
Speaker 1: connecting so many different traditions at once. It's connecting the Greeks,
Speaker 1: it's connecting the Egyptians, it's connecting the Zoroastrian magi, and
Speaker 1: it's connecting the Christian sethi Agnostics. So that is a
Speaker 1: big deal because a modern day Remember what I say,
Speaker 1: the text is important, but it's boring to read. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it's not important. Right, leave this one
Speaker 1: to the scholars read it. I'm not I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: say like, don't read this. I'm just telling you it'll
Speaker 1: probably bore you. You know, I'm kind of like being
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek. But check it out if you're curious.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's a lot to glean from the
Speaker 1: importance of this text because it opens the door to
Speaker 1: the connection of all these mysteries. Whereas in the modern
Speaker 1: world we're supposed to believe they're separate because we're taught
Speaker 1: that they're separate. We're taught that Christianity has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with these and that they're pagan. But that's not
Speaker 1: the case, and that in this day and time there
Speaker 1: were people connected to genuine Christian schools of thought before
Speaker 1: they were ruled as heresy in the three hundreds and
Speaker 1: then brutally suppressed and killed, and they had to hide
Speaker 1: their texts in non commodity Egypt. And here we are
Speaker 1: today talking about it like it's such a mystery. But
Speaker 1: in the day they were genuine Christian schools of thoughts.
Speaker 1: So for them to even use a word such as
Speaker 1: neophyte in a text that is connected to a group
Speaker 1: of individuals who are maintaining teachings of Jesus Christ and
Speaker 1: the biblical tradition, to use a word such as neophyte,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions that unfold because neophyte, you know,
Speaker 1: for example, where can you find a neophyte in the
Speaker 1: Rosicrucian tradition when you go through the first degree, not
Speaker 1: degree of initiation, but that when you profess that you
Speaker 1: seek to become a Rosicrucian, you become I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that first title that you receive is neophyte. And this
Speaker 1: this word, this methodology of becoming a neo as someone
Speaker 1: who is seeking to become initiated into the inner mysteries
Speaker 1: and thus having to prove candidacy to receive the mysteries.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. So you asked, is it
Speaker 1: a barrier and is an initiatic text? Yes, it is
Speaker 1: an initiatic text. And you could be right. It could
Speaker 1: be having all of this dialogue about praises to the
Speaker 1: higher beings and all these random Greek names that you've
Speaker 1: never heard of. It could be that, or it could
Speaker 1: be that, you know, to the ancient thinker who's connected
Speaker 1: to these schools of thought, that if you read between
Speaker 1: the lines that they're they are showing you a level
Speaker 1: of ineffable cosmology through going through orders of magnitude, describing beings,
Speaker 1: saying things such as, you know, the invisible one, the
Speaker 1: triple powered one, the immaterial one, and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth. So they're creating an image in the mind
Speaker 1: of the reader of a cosmology and scale of being
Speaker 1: that is ineffable and undescribable that can only be understood
Speaker 1: through the assay of the soul from the body through
Speaker 1: these spiritual realms. So hopefully you could kind of see
Speaker 1: why I would want to talk about this text so badly,
Speaker 1: even though it was a trudge to read, you know,
Speaker 1: So Zostrianos when you read like the scholarly interpretations of
Speaker 1: the text is claimed to be, as I said before,
Speaker 1: a descendant of either Zoroaster or a descendant of like
Speaker 1: the grandfather of Zoroaster, whatever that means, right, And Zostrianos
Speaker 1: hisself is a Greek word for a Persian name. So
Speaker 1: the point of this text is Zostrianos is essentially out
Speaker 1: in the desert. He is destitute, he's alone, he's suffering,
Speaker 1: and he's trapped by his vices of the physical world,
Speaker 1: and he has not received the spiritual mysteries or the
Speaker 1: baptism of the light. So he wants to kill himself. Actually,
Speaker 1: he's on the verge of killing himself, and then an
Speaker 1: angel appears to him. And actually I had highlighted the quote.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure where it appeared to him. I highlighted
Speaker 1: a ton of quotes from this book, because you know,
Speaker 1: if you slashed out about sixty percent of it, there
Speaker 1: was some really interesting material here.
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Speaker 2: it speaks with It starts with Zostrianos describing how he's
Speaker 2: destitute and on the verge of killing himself, and then
Speaker 2: an angel of revelation appears to him the Book of
Speaker 2: the Glory of the eternally living words that I Zostrianos
Speaker 2: wrote and Yolaos. When I came into the world for
Speaker 2: the sake of those of my generation and those after me,
Speaker 2: the living elect, the God of truth lives in very
Speaker 2: truth and the knowledge and eternal light. After I mentally
Speaker 2: abandon my inner corporeal darkness, psychical chaos, and dark lustful
Speaker 2: femininity with which I was unconcerned, and after I had
Speaker 2: discovered the boundlessness of my materialism and reproved the dead
Speaker 2: creation within me as well as the perceptible divine world ruler,
Speaker 2: I powerfully proclaimed wholeness to those with unrelated parts. Although
Speaker 2: I had tried their ways for a little while, in
Speaker 2: so far as the necessity of birth brought me visibility,
Speaker 2: I was never satisfied with them. Instead, I always used
Speaker 2: to separate myself from them, because I had come into
Speaker 2: being through a holy although procreative birth. When I had
Speaker 2: improved my sinless soul, then I strengthened the intellectual spirit
Speaker 2: within me, and I was able to awaken from the
Speaker 2: dark sleep and find my paternal God. Although I had
Speaker 2: worked on this. In every way, I was strengthened by
Speaker 2: a holy spirit higher than God. It settled upon me
Speaker 2: alone as I was improving myself, and I saw the
Speaker 2: Perfect Child who he is as well as what he possesses.
Speaker 2: He often and variously appeared to me like a consenting unity,
Speaker 2: while I was seeking the male Father of all things,
Speaker 2: things that are conceptual and sensible, specific and generic, partial
Speaker 2: and whole, containing and contained, corporeal and incorporeal, essential and
Speaker 2: material and matters pertaining to all these, and the existence
Speaker 2: that is combined with them, and with the God of
Speaker 2: this perfect Child, the unengendered calyptos, the power in them all.
Speaker 2: So it has a ton of you know, Greek words
Speaker 2: that you've probably never heard of, describing ineffable beings that
Speaker 2: exist in higher levels of reality known as the AONs.
Speaker 2: And also it's important to know in this context when
Speaker 2: he says things like masculine, fine, feminine, what he's talking
Speaker 2: about is spiritual orders. So like, if you think of
Speaker 2: the myth of Sophia, how we talked about this in
Speaker 2: the Pista Sophia, she looks up and she believes that
Speaker 2: she sees the light of the Highest God, but in reality,
Speaker 2: she was looking down and she became ensnared by the
Speaker 2: false light of the arrogant one. In this context, the
Speaker 2: femininity is referring to the archetype of being trapped in
Speaker 2: the material and then in this this body of work,
Speaker 2: when they say masculine, what they mean is like the intellect,
Speaker 2: the higher intellect of having the knowledge of gnosis, the
Speaker 2: nosis of you know, understanding the higher worlds. So when
Speaker 2: he says things like I'm you know, my femininity, he's
Speaker 2: talking about how he's trapped in the material form and
Speaker 2: he hasn't awakened his higher intellect.
Speaker 1: And then when you go to other gnostic texts, like
Speaker 1: the Gospel of Thomas, which is a different school of Narsissism,
Speaker 1: this is Sethian. Thomas is not excuse me. It talks
Speaker 1: about making the two to one, the masculine and the
Speaker 1: feminine becoming one. So when you look at the complete
Speaker 1: view of the gnostic thought, it's taking the the feminine
Speaker 1: energy of experience and wisdom and receiving the mysteries directly.
Speaker 1: So that's the feminine, and then the masculine is like theo.
Speaker 1: You think of the logos and the sophia or knowledge
Speaker 1: and wisdom. So the masculine is like achieving the intellect
Speaker 1: of the paternal God, the mind that has awakened its faculties. Right,
Speaker 1: so you have knowledge and wisdom. So in text like
Speaker 1: the Gospel of Thomas, where Jesus is speaking to his
Speaker 1: disciples of how to awaken, he says, you make the
Speaker 1: two to one. You must become masculine and feminine. You
Speaker 1: must make the two to one. You must have knowledge
Speaker 1: and wisdom. So that context is important here. So throughout
Speaker 1: the text, this angel appears to him and then it
Speaker 1: takes him on an ascension journey through the different realms
Speaker 1: in what is known as illuminary, and it leaves angels
Speaker 1: behind to guard his physical body as his soul is
Speaker 1: pulled out of his physical form by this angel and
Speaker 1: takes him on this luminous cloud up through the higher realms,
Speaker 1: all the way up to the Barbello, who which is
Speaker 1: very cool. At the end of the text, it goes
Speaker 1: out of the way to speak of her as the
Speaker 1: first emanated form. So when you think about like the lady,
Speaker 1: the Barbello is another. So you have the sophia. But
Speaker 1: then you have another word for the lady, which is Barbello,
Speaker 1: and it's describing her as the mother of all, the
Speaker 1: mother of all universes, who is a truly real, existing,
Speaker 1: imminent being. That's what it describes in this text. He's like,
Speaker 1: and she's actually real. He kind of goes out of
Speaker 1: the way to distinguish that that she's actually real, whereas
Speaker 1: all these other ones, it's like, are they just concepts?
Speaker 1: Is it esoteric? You know, allegorical concepts to try to
Speaker 1: personify the nature of reality. But he makes a point
Speaker 1: at the end of the text to say the Barbelo
Speaker 1: is real and she and she is a manifest being,
Speaker 1: that she's the first manifest being from the mind of
Speaker 1: the invisible spirit. Right, So that's very interesting. People are like,
Speaker 1: how are the lady and religion or Jesus connected? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's right here. It's all right here in
Speaker 1: the Gnostic system. And even the Catholics, they say, Mary,
Speaker 1: they took this concept that we have to use our
Speaker 1: lens here and think about history. Do we want to
Speaker 1: always just be good sheep and believe the power that
Speaker 1: it be? No, I don't. I am curious and I
Speaker 1: want to look for myself and I want to explore
Speaker 1: all of these mysteries and use not only my mind
Speaker 1: but my heart to decide for myself what I know
Speaker 1: and believe to be real. I don't need people in
Speaker 1: power to tell me what I'm allowed to think, and
Speaker 1: what I'm allowed to read, and what I'm allowed to believe.
Speaker 1: So if we study history and you look at things
Speaker 1: like the Holy Bible and its sixty six texts, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they're fake. But then if you look at
Speaker 1: you know, things like the Naghammadi Library, and you look
Speaker 1: at the history of them, you can come to the
Speaker 1: understanding that these other texts speaking of Jesus, although shockingly
Speaker 1: they may not agree with the doctrine that the Powers
Speaker 1: that b gave you, they are just as historically genuine
Speaker 1: as the ones that the Powers that be gave you.
Speaker 1: So there are two narratives of and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make this as simple as possible, there are two narratives
Speaker 1: of Jesus that exist. There is this historical movement, the
Speaker 1: Gnostics that we know for a fact they were brutally
Speaker 1: killed and oppressed by the Church, the same church that
Speaker 1: killed Jesus and slaughtered his people for three hundred years.
Speaker 1: So we have this version here the speaking of you know,
Speaker 1: this lady and the soul going on ascension journey through
Speaker 1: the higher realms and eventually becoming one with God and
Speaker 1: dissolving into the original you know, all this really cool
Speaker 1: mystical stuff. And then we have the version that the
Speaker 1: authorities gave us, which is like, by the way, you
Speaker 1: look at that other version, we're gonna kill you back
Speaker 1: then we will kill you if you look at the
Speaker 1: other version. You only believe this version, So pay up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's kind of where
Speaker 1: I'm at. I want to look at the mysteries for myself,
Speaker 1: and I encourage everyone to do so. And just because
Speaker 1: this powerful, multi trillion dollar institution that's two thousand years
Speaker 1: old tells us we have to believe in, you know,
Speaker 1: religion and Jesus in the Bible a certain way, doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that this other way doesn't exist and isn't a
Speaker 1: real part of history a very well, probably have been
Speaker 1: the actual original tradition, probably was the original tradition. So
Speaker 1: anyway back to it. So he says, there stood before
Speaker 1: me the Angel of the Knowledge of eternal Light, and
Speaker 1: he said to me, Zostrianos, why have you gone mad?
Speaker 1: As if you were ignorant of the great eternal beings
Speaker 1: who are above. Don't you know that you are a
Speaker 1: chosen person, and therefore you were informed about what you
Speaker 1: are to do, so that you might now be saved.
Speaker 1: Never ever become destructive, nor pay attention to those you
Speaker 1: are familiar with, in order to save others whom the
Speaker 1: Father on High will choose. Do you suppose that you
Speaker 1: are the father of your kind or that Eulaus is
Speaker 1: your father? You have a divine angel that has shown
Speaker 1: you the way. Through holy persons come and transcend these realms.
Speaker 1: You will return to them another time to proclaim a
Speaker 1: living race, to save those who are worthy, and to
Speaker 1: empower the chosen. For great is the struggle of this age,
Speaker 1: But the time in this world is short. When he
Speaker 1: had said this to me, I very eagerly and gladly
Speaker 1: embarked with him upon a great luminous cloud, and left
Speaker 1: my molded bodily form upon the earth. Guarded by glories,
Speaker 1: we eluded the entire world and the thirteen AONs in it,
Speaker 1: as well as their angelic host. We were not seen,
Speaker 1: but their chief was disturbed at our passage, since our
Speaker 1: luminous cloud a substance superior to everything in the cosmos,
Speaker 1: was ineffable, which means you can't comprehend it with the
Speaker 1: human mind. Its beauty shone brightly. It has an ability
Speaker 1: to guide pure spirits, since it is a vitalizing spirit
Speaker 1: and an intelligent reason, not like those things in the
Speaker 1: world that are made of pliable matter and persuasive reason.
Speaker 1: Then I knew that my inner power had overcome the
Speaker 1: darkness because it contained total light. I was baptized there
Speaker 1: and receive the images of the glories there and became
Speaker 1: like one of them. So a luminous being, an angel
Speaker 1: of the eternal light, comes to him and says, come
Speaker 1: with me. I want to take you on a journey
Speaker 1: to Heaven through the higher realm, so that you can
Speaker 1: see the mysteries for yourself, and that you can wake
Speaker 1: up an aluminous cloud, well, an orb, because we know
Speaker 1: from the ancient texts that cloud was in this context
Speaker 1: referring to off funding, which is a race of angelic being. Right,
Speaker 1: so we could we could. It could be a stretch,
Speaker 1: but you know, I like the stretch. It feels really good.
Speaker 1: We could an envision that an orb, a divine angelic
Speaker 1: being gently pulls his soul out of his body, like
Speaker 1: has happened to me, like has happened to my father
Speaker 1: and many people in this world today. This is not
Speaker 1: an untouchable phenomenon. That's why I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: this episode. So in my head, when I hear aluminous cloud,
Speaker 1: you know it takes you on this journey, I think
Speaker 1: an ORB, right, I mean it's on my hat it
Speaker 1: says orbs. I'm all about him, you know. So I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna assume it was an ORB. And if you
Speaker 1: have a problem with that, you know, you go come
Speaker 1: up with your own assumption about what it means. So
Speaker 1: an ORB pulls his soul out of his body and
Speaker 1: takes him through the higher worlds and baptizes him in
Speaker 1: the mysteries at every level, and the arcontic beings who
Speaker 1: it even talks about, how he passes through the atmospheric realm,
Speaker 1: going beyond the planets and then leaving the boundary of
Speaker 1: the physical world and into the spirit world, and at
Speaker 1: every level is he goes through these higher gates of being,
Speaker 1: the arcontic entities there cannot perceive him because his light
Speaker 1: is ineffable from this angelic being of eternal light and
Speaker 1: truth who is bringing him on this sensionary journey. That
Speaker 1: brings me to another concept, something that I think is
Speaker 1: very profound, and it's what Rudolph Steiner called the guardian
Speaker 1: of the Threshele. And that's probably the real reason I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about this episode because of the ascent
Speaker 1: from the soul from the body through higher worlds, but
Speaker 1: also the guardian of the threshold. So in the Egyptian
Speaker 1: Book of the Dead they speak of this, that when
Speaker 1: you die. But as we know, consciousness is immortal and
Speaker 1: it is eternal, so there are many levels of transitory
Speaker 1: states of being. Whether your physical body is still alive
Speaker 1: and the heart is still beating or not, your consciousness
Speaker 1: can go to higher worlds. I've seen it myself, experienced
Speaker 1: it even so in Okay. So in the state of death,
Speaker 1: the Egyptian Book of the Dead and the Tibetan Book
Speaker 1: of the Dead speak of a similar thing, which is
Speaker 1: that once you leave the body and you enter the
Speaker 1: realm of the dead, that there are challenges that present
Speaker 1: themselves to you in the form of gods and entities,
Speaker 1: and the Egyptian Book of the Dead it's more literal.
Speaker 1: In the sense that they say that the gods actually
Speaker 1: oppose you, or if you were good and if you
Speaker 1: were holy, that you know it's angelic beings that guide
Speaker 1: you because you in their myth, you have the idea
Speaker 1: of the heart being weighed against the feather. And then
Speaker 1: you either go to the field of reads and you
Speaker 1: move on to heaven and you stop this eternal cycle
Speaker 1: of life and death, or if you were evil, demonic
Speaker 1: entities stand guard at the gates of the higher realities
Speaker 1: to prevent you from moving forward, and then it starts
Speaker 1: over again and you come back to Earth. We did
Speaker 1: a whole episode on the Tibetan Book of the Dead
Speaker 1: Egyptian one pending because I have a guy who was
Speaker 1: actually supposed to be here tonight but we've had to
Speaker 1: delay it. He's a good friend of mine and he's
Speaker 1: literally one of the world's most profound experts on Egypt.
Speaker 1: So we're going to do a longer discussion about Egypt later.
Speaker 1: But when you read the Egyptian Book of the Dead,
Speaker 1: you know it says all that about the beings trying
Speaker 1: to to prevent you from going to higher world, and
Speaker 1: the Tibetan Book of the Dead, they're projections of your mind,
Speaker 1: of your karma. So if you were a negative person
Speaker 1: on earth, from the guilt and from the layers deep
Speaker 1: in your psyche, you're gonna project demonic beings to challenge you.
Speaker 1: And at every one of these levels of being and
Speaker 1: these layers of Bardo, you're supposed to awaken or in
Speaker 1: the West and gnostic thought, we would say gnosis because
Speaker 1: that's the Greek word for the awakened or the illumined.
Speaker 1: Nosis in the specific context refers to a type of
Speaker 1: knowledge that is illuminating. If you think of the word love,
Speaker 1: they always say, well, love has four meanings. You have
Speaker 1: like I don't know all the Greek words, but it's
Speaker 1: like agape love of God. And then there's something like
Speaker 1: philos and you know there's four words. I'm not a
Speaker 1: Greek speaker, but they always say there's the four meanings
Speaker 1: of love, and it's the love from God, the love romantically,
Speaker 1: the love from a friend, and then there's another love.
Speaker 1: Alice's point at me about the love from a friend
Speaker 1: or romantically. I'm not sure which one you were pointing
Speaker 1: at about. So g nosis with that in mind, how
Speaker 1: Greek has very specific meanings of certain words and they're
Speaker 1: indistinguishable that they mean that exact thing. Nosis means a
Speaker 1: kind of illuminating knowledge, that is like a profound epiphany,
Speaker 1: that you are essentially awakened to reality, to the higher wisdom.
Speaker 1: So in this context, as you're traversing through the higher worlds,
Speaker 1: you are systematically being baptized. In the mysteries and the
Speaker 1: Sethian version of gnosism gnostissism, there there are five baptisms.
Speaker 1: But as we talked about in the Pisto Sophia, which
Speaker 1: is not a Sethian text, and by the way, I
Speaker 1: do recommend that one. It's extremely interesting. I think everybody
Speaker 1: should read. Pisto Sophia is profound. Yes it's long, but
Speaker 1: it's worth every second and it's not boring whatsoever. And
Speaker 1: I believe it will it will stimulate something within the
Speaker 1: higher faculties of the reader as it was designed. In
Speaker 1: that text, it speaks of the thirteen repentances and the
Speaker 1: baptisms of the twenty four mysteries, right, and then that
Speaker 1: each higher mystery, one being the highest being the ineffable God,
Speaker 1: and then the lowest being twenty four. But also the
Speaker 1: first is the last because it's an eternal self repeating cycle.
Speaker 1: The first is the last, the alpha and the omega,
Speaker 1: for I'm the beginning in the end, right, But the
Speaker 1: first mystery being the highest level, and if you go
Speaker 1: straight there then you don't need the other mysteries. It's
Speaker 1: the highest level of raising the light of your soul,
Speaker 1: or you could be initiated into a lower mystery, which
Speaker 1: you know, what are these mysteries in this context, they
Speaker 1: are repentances. They are you reaching levels of realization saying, ah, man,
Speaker 1: I feel really bad that I told my neighbor to
Speaker 1: go f himself when he knocked on my door and
Speaker 1: asked for sugar. I shouldn't have done that. In fact,
Speaker 1: you know what, I shouldn't do that anymore. Period. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That is repentance. That is having
Speaker 1: a level of epiphany where you realize something you're doing
Speaker 1: is wrong and you shed that behavior from your being.
Speaker 1: So in this context of purification of the soul and
Speaker 1: being baptized in the higher mysteries, it's like your consciousness
Speaker 1: blooming from its crude state being an animal existing in
Speaker 1: material reality, where that you could say, rose like a
Speaker 1: resecrusion thought or lotus in the east or the flower
Speaker 1: in the Toll Tech Mexico, that flower blooms, which is
Speaker 1: your consciousness from the center of your being, and many
Speaker 1: more psychic layers of understanding of the higher mysteries unfold,
Speaker 1: where you become more heart centered, more loving, more kind,
Speaker 1: more peaceful. This is what happens as you go through
Speaker 1: this purification process and receive these higher mysteries, and as
Speaker 1: it speaks about in the Way of Initiation by Rudolph Steiner,
Speaker 1: a profound text also highly recommend. You can listen to
Speaker 1: it on YouTube for free. It's like two hours. It's
Speaker 1: very short. You know. It speaks multiple times about how
Speaker 1: the doorway to the secret Temple of Knowledge is only
Speaker 1: opened when you begin the first level of purification, which
Speaker 1: is to begin to be aware of your thoughts and
Speaker 1: the thoughts that you send towards other people. Are they harsh?
Speaker 1: Are they mean? Are they critical and judgmental? Well, you're
Speaker 1: not ready, then you're not ready for the higher mysteries.
Speaker 1: And it goes over and over to talk about how
Speaker 1: the highest level of magic, I'm kind of paraphrasing the
Speaker 1: whole crux of the text, but the highest level of
Speaker 1: magic is mental. So how can God give you magical power,
Speaker 1: which is the ability to exert influence on the world
Speaker 1: with your thoughts. How could you be entrusted with the
Speaker 1: highest power of the mysteries If you can't even be
Speaker 1: aware of and policing your own thoughts, you don't deserve it.
Speaker 1: So it's like Thor wielding the hammer. Right, Thor can
Speaker 1: wield the hammer because he's worthy, because he's pure. But
Speaker 1: could you imagine if like the whole wield that hammer,
Speaker 1: it'd be the end of the world. Or if you know,
Speaker 1: God forbid, like Loki or anyone else for that matter,
Speaker 1: doctor Doom, anyone, if literally anyone could pull Excalibur from
Speaker 1: the stone, they could be king. And what if they're
Speaker 1: not pure? What if they're evil? So that's kind of
Speaker 1: the point of the mysteries, Like you have to be
Speaker 1: worthy of the mysteries, but that starts here in your thoughts.
Speaker 1: So you begin the process of purification, which is what
Speaker 1: neophytes are entrusted to participate in, which is the inner
Speaker 1: purification of the soul. So they would do things like
Speaker 1: swear vows of silence, or they would do ritual fasting
Speaker 1: and purification, things of that nature. Because in these times
Speaker 1: when the ancients were literally pursuing the mysteries. They were
Speaker 1: preparing themselves for what eventually. This text Zostrianos is what
Speaker 1: would kind of considered be like the final level, which
Speaker 1: is when you work through all of these mystery schools
Speaker 1: and you get to the bottom of it and you
Speaker 1: realize that it's about purifying your soul and living from
Speaker 1: the heart and being Christ like that, the final level
Speaker 1: of initiation is angelic contact. The ancient Templar Knights, the Rosicrucians,
Speaker 1: even Freemasonry has elements of this. They have of course,
Speaker 1: I couldn't forget the biggest one Christianity the Bible, where
Speaker 1: Jesus has transfigured on the mountain, or like the apostle
Speaker 1: Paul for example. You know he speaks of Christ appearing
Speaker 1: as a flash of white light and speaking to him
Speaker 1: on the road to Damascus and making him go I
Speaker 1: think it made him blind. Is either blind or he
Speaker 1: was mute. I'm pretty sure he's blind. And then you
Speaker 1: know so many examples in the Bible of angels appearing
Speaker 1: to being So this isn't this is not just a
Speaker 1: secret thing, This is universal truth of the human condition.
Speaker 1: This is unavoidable. That the final level of opening your
Speaker 1: heart to receive the mysteries is what in ancient times
Speaker 1: they called hec a lot mysticism or merkaba mysticism, which
Speaker 1: is the actual ascent of the soul through heavenly realms,
Speaker 1: through angelic contact thrones ofanine saraphine cherubim literal the ancients Zostrianos,
Speaker 1: for example, Which is why I wanted to talk about this.
Speaker 1: These beings the I mean, these people were telling you
Speaker 1: that when they received the mysteries that it was through
Speaker 1: angelic contact orbs, beings of light, ascended entities from other realities,
Speaker 1: which they all agree. The ladies, the boss, she's the queen,
Speaker 1: she's the mother, and she's real too. That's what it
Speaker 1: says in this text.
Speaker 2: That could be I could be misremembering here, but this
Speaker 2: feels like, you know, out of all the texts we covered,
Speaker 2: texts that we have covered, this feels like the only
Speaker 2: one that was like very in your face about of
Speaker 2: essentially being an abducted Yeah, he was basically abducted by
Speaker 2: these angels took me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The rest is kind of like for you to figure out, right,
Speaker 2: And this is just like no angels took me and
Speaker 2: showed me this literally, like, cite your sources.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's exactly why I wanted to talk about this.
Speaker 1: That's why I said I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I don't
Speaker 1: think most people would find it riveting to read. But
Speaker 1: it is equally important. It's all the other ones, and
Speaker 1: and for for many reasons. You know, the connection of
Speaker 1: the Christian system to the mysteries. Because if I'm like, Alex,
Speaker 1: what's a Christian? You're you don't have to answer, it's rhetorical,
Speaker 1: You're like, but you know, why not? What's a Christian
Speaker 1: someone who believes in Jesus. It's kind of my that's
Speaker 1: kind of my thought. Okay, well that's one answer, But
Speaker 1: then another answer maybe, oh, I don't know a Methodist,
Speaker 1: a Baptist, a Catholic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might be a little biased after coming to
Speaker 2: this show.
Speaker 1: Every but do you see what I mean? In modern times,
Speaker 1: it's difficult to define a Christian because there are so
Speaker 1: many sects of Christianity. Okay, but every one of them
Speaker 1: believe they are true. Right. And then you have, of course,
Speaker 1: the Protestant versus Catholic thing that started really big time
Speaker 1: in the fifteen hundreds with Martin Luther. So today it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well you have a million Protestant sects and then you
Speaker 1: have don't I'm not very well versed in Catholic. You
Speaker 1: have all these Catholic sects, every single one of them
Speaker 1: individually is like, we're true, but they're cool too. They're
Speaker 1: they're you know, kind of on the same stream as us,
Speaker 1: but they have different ideas about it. It was no
Speaker 1: different back in this day.
Speaker 2: I kind of think Catholics just Catholic.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's because I've been to there's Roman Catholic.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm no expert. Yeah, I mean, but yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you're right. It's more just like I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: The main thing is Catholics believe that the the Eucharist
Speaker 1: or the the you know, the the wafer and the
Speaker 1: wine are the literal body in blood of Christ. Wow.
Speaker 2: And that's the separation of Like when you take that
Speaker 2: as part of the mass, you are in full belief
Speaker 2: that this is the body in blood.
Speaker 1: So and then you have things like Anglican, which is
Speaker 1: like the closest, one of the closest Protestant forms of
Speaker 1: like it's Catholic but not really. And then you have
Speaker 1: stuff like Orthodox, you know, so it's muddy. It's like,
Speaker 1: what's a Christian? I don't know. I could give you
Speaker 1: one hundred answers, but that's.
Speaker 2: Kind of like the follow up question for me, Like
Speaker 2: I had to. I had to kind of frame it
Speaker 2: like if you're trying to get to know somebody and
Speaker 2: you're like, are you Christian? And then they're like yeah,
Speaker 2: and then it's like okay, what kind Yeah. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: back in this day, it was no different. And we
Speaker 2: have to understand Christ was not Christian, God is not Christian.
Speaker 2: Christ was teaching the way.
Speaker 1: To God, and after he left, they all are arguing, well,
Speaker 1: it's this way, No, it's this way. No, it's this way, No,
Speaker 1: it's this way. And then at this time you had Orthodox,
Speaker 1: you had Gnostic, you had all these different ideas, but
Speaker 1: they're all they were all there. They're all historical parts
Speaker 1: of this movement, and they're all saying the same thing,
Speaker 1: which is we're connected to Christ. Here are the teachings,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's kind of my
Speaker 1: point with this. But yeah, so I thought this text
Speaker 1: was important enough to talk about, like you said, as
Speaker 1: basically he was abducted by an angel and his soul
Speaker 1: was removed from his body guarded on earth. And you know,
Speaker 1: that's kind of like it reminds me of the Cape
Speaker 1: fit River when my dad and my brother were having
Speaker 1: their experience. My dad physically gone and then my brother
Speaker 1: had these little luminous beings watching a rim. That's exactly Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I thought of when you described the
Speaker 1: angels staying to watch over the physical body. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: first thought for your brother. And they told that to
Speaker 1: my dad, they said, we're watching him. And then there
Speaker 1: were other times they've told my dad things like, we
Speaker 1: can take your soul out of your body and we
Speaker 1: can bring you on a journey wherever we want you
Speaker 1: to go, and your wife and children will think that
Speaker 1: you're asleep right there on the couch and you're with
Speaker 1: us in the spirit world. So they've told him that
Speaker 1: the beings when they took him in oh seven, they've
Speaker 1: told him all kinds of things like that. So I
Speaker 1: know that this is real and I've experienced this, and
Speaker 1: I had experienced three nights ago that freaked me out,
Speaker 1: and not that it was scary or evil, but it
Speaker 1: raised the bar for what I thought that I was
Speaker 1: able to experience. So, you know, I have a lot
Speaker 1: of friends from a lot of places. I know people
Speaker 1: who are from like nearly every background, really Eastern Mysticism,
Speaker 1: I know Freemasons, I know Rosicrucians, I know uh, Templar Knights.
Speaker 1: I know I've met people connected to Hermetic Dawn. Not
Speaker 1: that I still talk to them, but I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I've met you name it, someone has reached out to me.
Speaker 1: People who are Tibetan Buddhists, people who are everything really
Speaker 1: And I have a really good friend a few of
Speaker 1: them really who are Templar Knights. And of course I'm
Speaker 1: just asking questions. I'm trying to, you know, learn more
Speaker 1: about that and pick up methodologies that could help me
Speaker 1: in my practice, because especially, you know, I think that
Speaker 1: becoming someone who is in pursuit of truth means that
Speaker 1: you are in search of what is real, and you
Speaker 1: know that that includes a lot of things. That includes
Speaker 1: things that are Christian, that includes things that are Buddhists,
Speaker 1: that includes things that are Catholic, that includes things that
Speaker 1: are whatever. There's elements of truth and so many different
Speaker 1: systems that you can It's kind of like a science
Speaker 1: or as Rudolph Steiner called the occult science. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, going through and you're finding what truly works.
Speaker 1: And as you know with being a scientist, it's Okham's razor, right.
Speaker 1: You want to reduce things to make it the most simple.
Speaker 1: To get results, and to be effective, you need to
Speaker 1: make any process as simple as possible. So, long story short,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to the templars. I'm like, you know, what
Speaker 1: can I do to up my game? And obviously you too,
Speaker 1: you're a part of those conversations, and they're like prayer
Speaker 1: meditation every day minimum five minutes. You don't know what
Speaker 1: to pray? Pray the rosary. I'm like, well, what's the rosary?
Speaker 1: I'm not Catholic. It's the Lord's prayer. Oh okay. So
Speaker 1: I did the math and I realized that, and I
Speaker 1: know there's caveats to that, but I don't know all
Speaker 1: the specific Catholic caveats like the Ave Maria and the
Speaker 1: Three Mysteries and all that. I just don't know all that,
Speaker 1: So I'd stick with what I know, and that's the
Speaker 1: Lord's Prayer because that's a Protestant thing too, And I
Speaker 1: used to say it once a night as a kid,
Speaker 1: So it's kind of nostalgic to me. So he's explaining
Speaker 1: to me that there's a memetic precedence to this that
Speaker 1: you know, you have to imagine that there are billions
Speaker 1: of souls who have kind of like juiced this prayer
Speaker 1: through reciting the words of it in all these various languages,
Speaker 1: but also reinforcing it through belief. So you're like, if
Speaker 1: you think of all these belief systems as a cloud,
Speaker 1: like you think of like Wi Fi, like there's cloud storage.
Speaker 1: Prayers are like a cloud storage of divine energy. So
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this in an episode recently,
Speaker 1: but it's like, you know, the the idea of you know,
Speaker 1: opening the psychic aperture in the mind and then achieving
Speaker 1: coherence of the mind and the heart and then maintaining
Speaker 1: that state daily. So like minimum five minutes a day
Speaker 1: of prayer meditation, Okay, cool. So I've started doing the
Speaker 1: Lord's Prayer every day and then Alex made me a rosary.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is really cool, but it's not stretchy.
Speaker 1: I can't wear it. So I'm like, well, this is
Speaker 1: a decoration piece. I should bring it up into the studio. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's on my computer desk. So Alex inspired me. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I want to make a rosary then, because I got,
Speaker 1: you know, really fascinated about it and wearing it is
Speaker 1: a reminder as how it was explained to me. So
Speaker 1: I made my own rosary, this little bracelet rosary with
Speaker 1: a charm of a Catholic medal of the Lady. And
Speaker 1: but the night before I made it, I had a
Speaker 1: dream and in that dream, I was wearing an angelic medallion,
Speaker 1: which I actually have. I've purchased an actual medallion that
Speaker 1: has the name of all of the seven classical archangels
Speaker 1: and Hebrew. So it's like a a metal little coin
Speaker 1: basically or medallion that has the names of these archangels,
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to wear it to you know, invoke
Speaker 1: the angels. So I don't really wear it because I'm
Speaker 1: not big on jewelry, and to me, it's like clamp
Speaker 1: Clasping it over and over is annoying to me, so
Speaker 1: I keep it by my bed. So the day before
Speaker 1: I made my rosary, I had a dream that I
Speaker 1: was wearing that medallion and I had to take it
Speaker 1: off because it was burning me, not because I was evil,
Speaker 1: or it was evil, but in my dream specifically, it
Speaker 1: was burning me because there was so much power from it.
Speaker 1: There was so much angelic energy that I couldn't even
Speaker 1: handle it. I had to I had to remove it
Speaker 1: because my flesh in my dream was being burned red,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't I couldn't handle the power. So then
Speaker 1: I woke up and that morning, it was a Saturday,
Speaker 1: I started making my rosary. I'm like, dang, that dream
Speaker 1: is bire me. I noticed about this rosary. So I
Speaker 1: made my little rosary and it was kind ofative, and
Speaker 1: I made my rosary. I've been wearing it every day.
Speaker 1: So I started praying one decade of the rosary, which
Speaker 1: was five minutes a day of you know, the Lord's
Speaker 1: prayer for me, my practice. But what I've been doing
Speaker 1: because I'm like the State, well that's easy. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm monrostitute guy. I've been there many times. I'm a
Speaker 1: trainer with them, an outreach trainer, and I'm very like
Speaker 1: well versed in their system and have done graduate level
Speaker 1: programs even and I'm a big believer in their work.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, so you're telling me the psychic aperture
Speaker 1: is opened within the brain by synchronizing the hemispheres. Easy.
Speaker 1: I've been taught how to do that just by thinking
Speaker 1: a certain thought. All right, cool. So what I started
Speaker 1: doing was going into focus fifteen at night as I'm
Speaker 1: laying in bed and doing the Rosary in the focus
Speaker 1: fifteen state. Now, of course, the ancients, like the Templar Knights,
Speaker 1: are people of the Egyptian Mysteries or the Grecian Mysteries
Speaker 1: or Tibetan Buddhists. They have certain kinesthetic anchors such as
Speaker 1: mudras and things, and certain mental imaging practices to achieve
Speaker 1: the hemispheric synchronization without headphones and modern time, because they
Speaker 1: didn't have that back then. So they had all kinds
Speaker 1: of of kinesthetic anchors and mudras and and uh spiritual
Speaker 1: technologies and modalities to achieve the same effect. I've come
Speaker 1: to realize from talking to them that there's a huge
Speaker 1: correlation between what the Monrostitute figured out spontaneously through through
Speaker 1: Robert Monroe's incredible you know vision and experiences, and what
Speaker 1: the ancients were doing. It's it's one and the same.
Speaker 1: And if you guys are really paying attention and you've
Speaker 1: heard every episode, you know that a year ago I
Speaker 1: had on Alan Evans, the CEO of the Monrositute, a
Speaker 1: wonderful human being, and she's a friend of mine and
Speaker 1: we still regularly stay in touch. It was texting her
Speaker 1: today even and I told her about this. I told
Speaker 1: her that when I was at the Monrostitute two years
Speaker 1: ago for the first time, I had an out of
Speaker 1: body experience where I was in ancient Egypt and I
Speaker 1: was inside of a temple. It might have been a pyramid,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was inside of a temple and
Speaker 1: I was in a sarcophagus and I was doing the
Speaker 1: hand placement of Osiris. But it wasn't for death. I
Speaker 1: wasn't being killed or anything like that. I wasn't being buried.
Speaker 1: It was a ritual and at the foot of the
Speaker 1: sarcophagus was a being of light standing there. And in
Speaker 1: this outer body experience where I was living in this
Speaker 1: past life, there was a second level of information above me,
Speaker 1: where it was my modern mind watching this unfold receiving
Speaker 1: information while I was also first hand seeing it through
Speaker 1: my eyes that I was in this coffin past life.
Speaker 1: So it was like I was bilocating and my modern
Speaker 1: mind was there watching, but I was also presently inside
Speaker 1: the body of this person. It's very complicated to unless
Speaker 1: you've experienced it. It's going to sound like what is
Speaker 1: he talking about? But I was there and this being
Speaker 1: was speaking to me, and it was giving me knowledge,
Speaker 1: but I didn't hear it. What I heard was that
Speaker 1: second me above the modern me, receiving the information that
Speaker 1: what I was doing right now in the Monroe Institute
Speaker 1: going out of my body was the same as what
Speaker 1: I was doing. Not only me, but the ancients were
Speaker 1: doing in the ancient past and the mystery schools that
Speaker 1: they were achieving out of body travel and all kinds
Speaker 1: of things to receive the mysteries. There was a connection
Speaker 1: between what the ancients were doing and that what they
Speaker 1: were doing at the Minrostitute. That more or less was
Speaker 1: explained to me that the Monrostitute today is like like
Speaker 1: if you think of how stalagmites and stalagtites are in
Speaker 1: caves and they just kind of spawn into being from
Speaker 1: the cave, that you think of the cave as the mystery,
Speaker 1: and you think of all these different what is the mystery?
Speaker 1: It's God, It's the soul is immortal, and that it
Speaker 1: comes from another place, another world, and that we can
Speaker 1: leave it at will if we want to. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a whole bunch of things. The mystery is enormous,
Speaker 1: but it's one thing, right, So if we think of
Speaker 1: the mystery or God the truth as this cave, you
Speaker 1: have stuff like the Rosicrucians, Christianity, Hermeticism. It's another one
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention earlier, Templar Knights, Gnosticism, the Esscenes
Speaker 1: that they're a pewte of Egypt, the Celtic Druids, the
Speaker 1: Brahmins of India, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I already said the scenes, but these
Speaker 1: are all stalagmites and stalagtites in this cave of mysteries.
Speaker 1: They're all just offshoots from the original thing emerging into
Speaker 1: physical being as a part of this one thing. But
Speaker 1: they're all connected to this one thing. And I just
Speaker 1: made that whole cave. You know. Stlag might think up
Speaker 1: right now. But what came to me in the vision
Speaker 1: was that that's what Monroe's student is, that it was
Speaker 1: like a modern emergence from the spiritual world into the
Speaker 1: physical world in modern times with the scientific method of
Speaker 1: the West in technology that it's all one thing. It's
Speaker 1: not about having a religious dogma, but it's about being
Speaker 1: connected to the truth. To it's about experiencing truth, which
Speaker 1: is that our consciousness is immortal and eternal and it
Speaker 1: could travel worlds by thought if you know the right techniques,
Speaker 1: which is synchronizing the hemispheres of the brain. So what's
Speaker 1: even more mind blowing to this is a few months
Speaker 1: ago my friend who is a templar, and I told
Speaker 1: me that when you have your hands on each shoulder
Speaker 1: like they show you with Osirius, that it is a mudra.
Speaker 1: It's a secret mudra to synchronize the hemispheres of the brain.
Speaker 1: So I didn't know that two years ago, and I
Speaker 1: had that out of body experience and the information was
Speaker 1: being revealed to me that what I was doing now
Speaker 1: in my check unit at the Monroe'situte was the same
Speaker 1: as what I was doing then in ancient Egypt leaving
Speaker 1: I wasn't actually leaving the body. A being was speaking
Speaker 1: to me, a being of light, but I was connected
Speaker 1: across time and space. This was a real life of
Speaker 1: mine in the past, and what I was doing currently
Speaker 1: we connected in consciousness and in thought and became aware
Speaker 1: of each other, and there was a being of light present,
Speaker 1: a luminous being, you know what I mean. I didn't
Speaker 1: know then that it was a hemispheric synchronization technique to
Speaker 1: have the hands on each shoulder, so I added another
Speaker 1: layer of complexity to this that just blew my mind.
Speaker 1: So my friend's telling me preymeditate every day going to
Speaker 1: that psychic aperture state. He's never done the Monroe things.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, okay, I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: So I did my Focus fifteen and I do my
Speaker 1: Lord's prayer, So I combine the two and I've been
Speaker 1: doing them daily, and weird things are starting to happen
Speaker 1: because I'm doing them before I go to sleep. I
Speaker 1: know that was a long winded exposition, but now I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you what happened to me the other night.
Speaker 1: So as I've been doing this, I'm starting to realize.
Speaker 1: At first I could do all ten Lords' prayers. I
Speaker 1: can't anymore without fail. Now after doing this for like
Speaker 1: a solid month or two straight every night, and I
Speaker 1: can't go to sleep anymore unless I do it. There's
Speaker 1: been one night that I went to sleep and it's
Speaker 1: because I stayed up till four in the morning with
Speaker 1: a friend who was in town, and I was too
Speaker 1: tired of I'll do tomorrow. Otherwise, if I don't start
Speaker 1: this process, when I lay on the pillow, I cannot
Speaker 1: go to sleep. It has become cemented into my being.
Speaker 1: What has started to happen is round about like the
Speaker 1: third one. He told me that beginning to say this
Speaker 1: prayer and reinforcing this memetic precedent is going to establish,
Speaker 1: or rather it's going to anchor this psychic state to
Speaker 1: the prayer. So not only are you associating with this
Speaker 1: actual prayer of the Rosary to this psychic state, but
Speaker 1: you're also sort of tapping into that spiritual cloud of
Speaker 1: information from all of this Christian prayer and temple our
Speaker 1: prayer and Catholic prayer, from thousands of years of billions
Speaker 1: of souls charging this energy. So it's it's a multiple
Speaker 1: layer benefit to this. So I've started to notice that
Speaker 1: round about the third or the fourth time I say
Speaker 1: the Lord's Prayer, my mind begins to fade away, and
Speaker 1: I begin to lose perception of that moment and drift
Speaker 1: to other places, like I'm in between being awaken of sleep,
Speaker 1: but I'm not fully asleep because and the more I'm
Speaker 1: doing it, I'm getting like it's it's starting to become
Speaker 1: so seamless that like some of those things would I
Speaker 1: would know that they were a vision, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not a body, or you know, like if you're
Speaker 1: really well versed in the monrostitute experience, you know, if
Speaker 1: you've like clicked out, or if you've more or less
Speaker 1: had a lapse in consciousness but you're not asleep, that
Speaker 1: has occurred. But it's getting to a point now to
Speaker 1: where the transition into these experiences has become so seamless
Speaker 1: that it's like being awake in a dream fully and
Speaker 1: you don't know that you're you don't know the difference
Speaker 1: between awaken asleep. So it's progressed to where three nights ago,
Speaker 1: I'm laying there saying the prayer, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it was like I started levitating on the bed.
Speaker 1: I know this sounds weird, but following me, I started
Speaker 1: levitating on the bed, and then a light shone down
Speaker 1: onto me. It was like an orb appeared and it
Speaker 1: shined into my third eye, and then all I could
Speaker 1: see was light, and I was being surrounded by light,
Speaker 1: and there was a being of light standing by me.
Speaker 1: Like I'm on my bed, on the left side of
Speaker 1: my bed and there's a being standing there. And I've
Speaker 1: begun levitating and I'm like, oh my god, something's happening.
Speaker 1: And I just kept saying Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, like,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of guide me through this. And the
Speaker 1: it was like I woke up and I was back
Speaker 1: in the bed and I'm freaking out, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that wasn't real. It was so seamless that I thought
Speaker 1: it was really happening. It wasn't a dream. It was
Speaker 1: so completely lucid and so like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: really thought that was happening. And I even touched my
Speaker 1: wife's hands she's right beside me, and she twitched and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm I'm not this isn't a dream.
Speaker 1: Like but I didn't really just do that either. I'm
Speaker 1: just that was like a vision, but it felt so real.
Speaker 1: I was frightened as if it was really happening. There
Speaker 1: was you know, you can tell a dream and when
Speaker 1: you're awake, and there was no boundary here. It was
Speaker 1: so seamless, as if it just really happened. It was like,
Speaker 1: you know what you see in a movie, like like
Speaker 1: a false awakening experience of a lucid dream where you
Speaker 1: think you woke up, but then you're really you're in
Speaker 1: a dream, and they call that false awakening and lucid
Speaker 1: dreams where you keep having this series of oh, I'm awake, now,
Speaker 1: oh crap, I'm not awake. It was like that, you know.
Speaker 1: And then I'm talking to me and Alex are talking
Speaker 1: to a friend last night, the guy that we shouted
Speaker 1: out at the beginning of the show, and it was,
Speaker 1: you know, anonymous. He didn't want his name shared, and
Speaker 1: I told him that story and he was like, well,
Speaker 1: it sounds like your soul left your body. And I
Speaker 1: was so spooked by the initial experience I didn't even
Speaker 1: consider that. I just considered, oh my god. I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell if it was real or not real. But then
Speaker 1: it was like, wait a minute, Yeah, I guess my
Speaker 1: soul was raising out of my body. That's what may
Speaker 1: have been happening that Maybe I don't know, because I saw.
Speaker 1: What I saw was like there was a light that
Speaker 1: was shining on my third eye. It was like light
Speaker 1: was consuming my vision. But I could see out of
Speaker 1: the corner of my I guess you could say my
Speaker 1: soul's eye, that there was a being standing there, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking at it. I was looking up and
Speaker 1: there was a light shining down on my third eye,
Speaker 1: and I was lifting and lifting and lifting and raising
Speaker 1: towards the ceiling. So who knows. I mean, maybe my
Speaker 1: physical body was really laying there simultaneously. It's like Sostrianos,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So again, it wasn't a negative,
Speaker 1: frightful experience. What freaked me out was how seamless it was,
Speaker 1: as it really felt like it was happening. There was
Speaker 1: no lapse in my thoughts because a lot of times,
Speaker 1: like when I have out of body experiences, it's like
Speaker 1: you kind of drift away for a moment and then
Speaker 1: it just happens. This wasn't like that. It was like
Speaker 1: it just happened. It felt like being abducted. Honestly, it
Speaker 1: felt like being abducted. I'm beginning to wonder did some
Speaker 1: sort of angelic entity straight up start to pull my
Speaker 1: soul out of my body? I don't know. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about Zostriano's tonight because it's about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was wild man wild Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was spooked, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, the text is good, and the fact that
Speaker 2: you're telling me not to read it just makes me
Speaker 2: want to read it.
Speaker 1: Oh, read it. I'm just telling you it might be
Speaker 1: hard to it's just the it's the style of writing
Speaker 1: is not very engaging. But it's it's a great text.
Speaker 1: I mean, the information and I had. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: so much more about it. I might have to check
Speaker 1: it out. Wow. Wow, that's a callback. Let me see.
Speaker 1: Let me see if there's other let me go to
Speaker 1: the end. I think I highlighted the part where he
Speaker 1: talks about Burbello. God, I got so many highlights out
Speaker 1: of this. I am not about to read them all.
Speaker 1: Do not baptize yourself. Oh that's when he comes back
Speaker 1: to his body, and he starts preaching to the physical world.
Speaker 1: I came forth to the perfect Yeah, that's the physical world.
Speaker 1: I could have sworn that. I got the part about
Speaker 1: the Barbello, the emergence of the Barbelo, aon from the
Speaker 1: triple powered spirit. Okay, the Barbelo appears. Oh, and you
Speaker 1: have to understand that because this was a scroll that
Speaker 1: was written in Coptic and that was found in Egypt
Speaker 1: literally thousands of years after it was hidden. So parts
Speaker 1: of it are damaged, parts of it are lost, so
Speaker 1: there are some indiscernible parts with just like you know.
Speaker 1: They put like dot dot dot dot, and then there's
Speaker 1: footnotes saying like this part of the text couldn't be recovered.
Speaker 1: But it's usually just fragments, but it says his dot
Speaker 1: dot dot within the dot dot dot dot dot dot,
Speaker 1: like a fragrance, it reaches the light interior to their aon.
Speaker 1: It is a power that inhabits a part of the unengenderedness,
Speaker 1: for it always exists. It sought after him, seeing him
Speaker 1: there and existing as a simple unity, since he is
Speaker 1: blessedness and perfection. He was a perfect and blessed unity.
Speaker 1: She lacks his unity because she lacked him. It's talking
Speaker 1: about if you remember the myth of the Fall of
Speaker 1: Sophia and Pista Sophia. His unity is God, the ineffable, transcendent,
Speaker 1: invisible spirit. He is perfection. He is unity. The lady
Speaker 1: will just call her the lady. She sees God and
Speaker 1: can't comprehend the mystery, and she seeks to not like Lucifer,
Speaker 1: like Oh, I'm God. But she seeks to be one
Speaker 1: with him. She's faithful, she's loyal, but she can't comprehend
Speaker 1: even his mystery. Does that make sense, That's what he's
Speaker 1: talking about. It sought after him, seeing him there and
Speaker 1: existing as a simple unity, since he is blessedness and perfection.
Speaker 1: He was a perfect and blessed unity. She lacks his
Speaker 1: unity because she lacked him, since he would supplement her
Speaker 1: with knowledge, and his knowledge dwells outside of him, with that,
Speaker 1: with that which contemplates him inwardly, a reflection and an
Speaker 1: image that lacks dot dot and dot dot, it would
Speaker 1: have fallen down. Therefore, she came to exist outside his fullness.
Speaker 1: It was not for herself that she desired this aspect
Speaker 1: of her that she established outside the perfection. She became
Speaker 1: distinct because she is an all perfect instance of perfection,
Speaker 1: existing as contemplation. With respect to that one, she is
Speaker 1: an offspring that supplements him, even that which derives from
Speaker 1: his ineffable power. She is a pre potency, even the
Speaker 1: primal unengenderedness, succeeding that one. Because with respect to all
Speaker 1: the rest, she is a first aon or. In other words,
Speaker 1: she is the first created being from the highest God,
Speaker 1: all who are pure because of the unsubstantial existence. It
Speaker 1: is she who grants rest. It is she who knows
Speaker 1: and who foreknows herself truly existing as a single aon
Speaker 1: in act and potency and existence. It is not in
Speaker 1: time that she originated, but she appeared eternally. Having eternally
Speaker 1: stood in his presence, she was overshadowed by the majesty
Speaker 1: of his goodness. She stood looking at him and rejoicing,
Speaker 1: being filled with kindness. She did not become separate, but
Speaker 1: when she was filled dot dot dot dot dot dot
Speaker 1: of the glories. And she is in an unsub insubstantial
Speaker 1: existence and a power that truly exists. Remember I was
Speaker 1: telling you, he's like she's real that. It does say
Speaker 1: all that for all the other ones, but it's like
Speaker 1: she truly exists. There's no allegory about this. There is
Speaker 1: a mother of the universe, and another part of the
Speaker 1: book of Zostranos, it calls her the Mother of all,
Speaker 1: the Mother, the Mother the Mother. She is a power
Speaker 1: that truly exists. She is the first insubstantial existence after
Speaker 1: that one. So in other words, again, when God thought
Speaker 1: reality into being, the first thought was her. The first
Speaker 1: creation of the ineffable mind is the Goddess, the Lady
Speaker 1: the whereas this text calls her the Barbello. She's also
Speaker 1: known as the Sophia. The Goddess is everything. She's the
Speaker 1: highest created being. And she told my father that the
Speaker 1: UFOs or her host, they're her army. When you hear
Speaker 1: of the heavenly host, when you think of God, it's
Speaker 1: like Shiva and shokt. The masculine is the mind. What
Speaker 1: is the mind? You can't see it, you can't touch it,
Speaker 1: you can't feel it. You can only you can only
Speaker 1: receive it. You can only experience it. You cannot comprehend it.
Speaker 1: You can't take a little device and measure it. It's invisible.
Speaker 1: A mind is invisible to the human senses. So God
Speaker 1: the Father is the invisible one. It is the ineffable,
Speaker 1: invisible spirit. When God projects into the physical world and
Speaker 1: interacts with created beings, it's through her, the first created being.
Speaker 1: So she's the Goddess. So there's God the Father, and
Speaker 1: there's God the Mother. This is how the universe works.
Speaker 1: In our material world, when we come face to face
Speaker 1: with the presence of God, it's as the Mother. Because
Speaker 1: we can't come face to face with the Father. It's
Speaker 1: ineffable to the human comprehension. Even the higher spiritual beings
Speaker 1: can't comprehend it. They can't figure it out. It's a mystery.
Speaker 1: It's the first mystery. Right. So people have to understand
Speaker 1: the importance of the lady. This is not just some
Speaker 1: alien being. This is so much more than that. This
Speaker 1: is the queen of the universe. This is the highest
Speaker 1: manifested being. And then there is one higher than that,
Speaker 1: which is the eternity, immortality, the unmanifested being, the thing
Speaker 1: that has no cause, and has no creation and has
Speaker 1: no ending. It is bigger than all of that. All
Speaker 1: of those concepts exist within this ineffable being. Everything comes
Speaker 1: from this being. The source of all thought, all reality,
Speaker 1: all existence is just streams of manifestation of God, the
Speaker 1: ineffable one. So when you think of the lady, you
Speaker 1: put some respect on her name, because that is the
Speaker 1: first thought that he conceived. She's the queen of heaven
Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes. So anyway, let me pick
Speaker 1: back up. She did not become separate when she is. Oh,
Speaker 1: I said, I skipped back a little bit. Let me
Speaker 1: go back to where I was, and she is an
Speaker 1: insubstanti existence and the power that truly exists. She is
Speaker 1: the first insubstantial existence after that one, and from the
Speaker 1: undivided one toward existence. An act moved the intellectual perfection
Speaker 1: and the intellectual life that were blessedness and divinity. The
Speaker 1: entire spirit, perfect, simple and invisible, has become a unity
Speaker 1: in existence and act, even a simple triple powered one,
Speaker 1: an invisible spirit, an image of the one that truly exists,
Speaker 1: the one it is impossible to comprehend true existence, since
Speaker 1: it is her source, while she is an image, so
Speaker 1: it speaks of God, the One, the one that cannot
Speaker 1: even be comprehended, the invisible One. She is just an
Speaker 1: image that projects from it, and even she cannot comprehend it,
Speaker 1: the mystery God. She began to strive since it was
Speaker 1: impossible to unite with his image. She saw its privation
Speaker 1: while it was next to his all perfection, since he
Speaker 1: pre exists and is situated over all these pre existing
Speaker 1: being known as three powered the Trinity, and it speaks
Speaker 1: of the triple powered being who is like the They
Speaker 1: also call him the Orthogenes, which is just a Greek
Speaker 1: word which is basically this text's way of saying the
Speaker 1: spirit of Christ, the child of the Mother and the
Speaker 1: Father that manifest into our world as awakened beings. So
Speaker 1: the triple powered one or the perfected Child is what
Speaker 1: we would say Christ, the consciousness of Christ. And you
Speaker 1: know edgar Casey talks about that and has this theory
Speaker 1: that Christ is this immortal spirit that has incarnated on earth.
Speaker 1: Many times I tend to believe that, and I think
Speaker 1: it is not only immortal, but it's unlimited, and that
Speaker 1: it can be reflected in each one of us. And
Speaker 1: that I I think that Jesus Christ is so important
Speaker 1: because he was the one in our real human Earth
Speaker 1: history who fully realized this spirit on earth, and he
Speaker 1: encouraged us. You can do this too, just follow me.
Speaker 1: The invisible spirit has never been incognizant. He did not
Speaker 1: merely make an act of knowing, but he was instead
Speaker 1: abiding in perfection and blessedness. Now when she the Barbello
Speaker 1: the Mother became incognizant and she body after dot dot
Speaker 1: the text is fragmented here in another way dot dot
Speaker 1: dot enlighten dot dot dot. She was existing individually as
Speaker 1: cause of the declination, unlest she come forth anymore or
Speaker 1: get further away from perfection. She knew herself and him,
Speaker 1: and she stood at rest and spread forth on his behalf.
Speaker 1: Since she was from true existence. She was from true existence,
Speaker 1: was from what truly exists in common with all things,
Speaker 1: to know herself and the one that pre exists. Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, let's scratch that back. She was from true existence.
Speaker 1: She was from what truly exists in common with all things,
Speaker 1: to know herself, or know thyself right and know the
Speaker 1: one that pre exists. So what she, even the mother
Speaker 1: of the universe, has in common, what it says right
Speaker 1: here with all beings, is that she knows herself and
Speaker 1: knows the one that pre exists. What does it say
Speaker 1: in the Bible? Love the Lord thy God with all
Speaker 1: thy heart, mind and soul, and love thy neighbor as thyself.
Speaker 1: That's what Jesus said, the new law, the new commandment,
Speaker 1: that the old laws fulfilled, and that there was a
Speaker 1: new law. To love God with all your heart, mindus strength,
Speaker 1: and to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Or
Speaker 1: in ancient Greece they would say, know thyself, for you
Speaker 1: are God. Right. That's the mystery they're telling you the
Speaker 1: mysteries know thyself. That was very popular in ancient Greece.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I had thought about there was a couple
Speaker 1: of other interesting parts about the highlights, the pneumatics and
Speaker 1: the psychics, but I can't they were earlier in the text.
Speaker 1: But anyway, just a little bit more about the Barbello
Speaker 1: having supplemented him, they came into existence, and they are
Speaker 1: manifest through those who pre exist and through the dot
Speaker 1: since they had appeared as a second mentality, and they
Speaker 1: appeared through the one who foreknows him, being an eternal
Speaker 1: having become a secondary form of his knowledge, even the
Speaker 1: duplication of his knowledge, the unengendered calyptos. And it's just
Speaker 1: a being that's like supposedly a really high aon who
Speaker 1: stands guard over the realities below him. Oh remember I
Speaker 1: talked about towards the beginning of the episode, the Guardian
Speaker 1: of the Threshold. This is the concept from Rudolf Steiner
Speaker 1: Well in this text, the angel of the eternal Truth
Speaker 1: of the Light pulls him with a luminous cloud through
Speaker 1: the higher worlds, and the guardian at each reality basically,
Speaker 1: or as they would say in this text, AONs, because
Speaker 1: an aon is a plane of reality, but it's also
Speaker 1: there's a being that is like the chief of this reality,
Speaker 1: and it's like they all look down beneath them and
Speaker 1: they're in charge of the realities beneath them, but they
Speaker 1: can't even comprehend what's above them. So so Ostriano's got
Speaker 1: to pass. He was pulled all the way through by
Speaker 1: a high level being and he got to pass through undetected.
Speaker 1: But there are other texts where you know, it speaks
Speaker 1: of trying to ascend through these higher levels of reality
Speaker 1: and you come face to face with these aon's and
Speaker 1: ar cons, and their job is to maintain the realities
Speaker 1: beneath them and prevent you from ascending until you're ready
Speaker 1: to receive the mysteries. So I think that's a real concept.
Speaker 1: I think we could think of that as the ego
Speaker 1: or I don't know, it's a mystery. But you know,
Speaker 1: as I was saying earlier, they talk about that in
Speaker 1: Tibetan Buddhism. Rudolf Steiner talks about it as sick as
Speaker 1: he was. Even Alister Crawley talks about it. Rudolf Steiner
Speaker 1: talked about it, and psychology, they talk about it with
Speaker 1: the ego, you know. So there's something to this notion
Speaker 1: that again, we can't receive the mysteries until we begin
Speaker 1: the process of inner purification and enlightening the soul to
Speaker 1: become lighter and more free and full of joy and
Speaker 1: righteousness and kind and gentleness, and not having harsh thoughts
Speaker 1: towards people, which translates into what words and then actions
Speaker 1: or a zoroaster. The ancestor of the author of this
Speaker 1: gnostic text set good thoughts, good words, good deeds, as
Speaker 1: it was revealed to him by the God of truth
Speaker 1: and light. So there's a connection here, right anyway, I
Speaker 1: think that about sums it up. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: a ton of highlighted material. I don't need to stay
Speaker 1: here and read it all. I did have some really
Speaker 1: cool parts about the three kinds of souls. I don't
Speaker 1: remember what color I highlighted them, though, and i'd have to. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think I found them that easy. Okay, that was
Speaker 1: pretty simple. Now, the one who repents, and the sojourner
Speaker 1: and the one inhabiting the perceptible world live with what
Speaker 1: is dead. They all resemble a single thing. They attain
Speaker 1: self apart from the dead. Now, none of them is
Speaker 1: needed salvation initially, but salvation is needed more now that
Speaker 1: they are degraded. As for the type of person that
Speaker 1: is dead, its soul, its mind, and its body are
Speaker 1: all dead sufferings of the subtle fathers of material men.
Speaker 1: They are demons that the fire consumes. They are worldly
Speaker 1: that is transformed. So it's talking about the Highlys, the
Speaker 1: people who are like MPCs and they have no spirit
Speaker 1: and they're just materialistic animals who they're never going to
Speaker 1: get it. They're never gonna figure it out, and that's
Speaker 1: a shocking concept. But then something I don't think you
Speaker 1: were to hear from the recording of this with me,
Speaker 1: but when I had Dahlia on her daughter, Ledu said
Speaker 1: a similar thing. Her daughter's not read gnosticism. You know,
Speaker 1: she's a fourteen nonverbal, autistic genius who her you know,
Speaker 1: learning to spell, and she's hearing people's thoughts. She's not
Speaker 1: sitting here reading gnostic texts, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And second, like what fourteen year old child was reading
Speaker 1: that stuff? Anyway? But unless you see angels and then
Speaker 1: you become obsessed with it like I was. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so something that that Daulia told me on that episode
Speaker 1: was that her daughter tells her that, because I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what does she tell you? I don't want you to
Speaker 1: sit here and do the blindfold thing on the show
Speaker 1: and you know, dance for me and do a parlor trick,
Speaker 1: like I want to learn your perspectives that you've come
Speaker 1: to after living this life, dealing with her, hearing her
Speaker 1: thoughts all that stuff, and she was like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: and then she goes on to tell me, if you
Speaker 1: haven't heard it, stuff that Leedu hears from angels, and
Speaker 1: one of them is like something like some percentage of
Speaker 1: the world doesn't have souls, and immediately I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's what it says in the Gnostic tradition.
Speaker 1: Interesting also, if we really want to, you know, throw
Speaker 1: shots out there kind of like the cosmology of the
Speaker 1: universe that Robert Munroe experienced on his visionary journeys from
Speaker 1: a complete lens of non dogma. He wasn't even religious,
Speaker 1: he was basically atheist, and he started going out of
Speaker 1: body and traveling through higher world. It pretty much is
Speaker 1: in line with this kind of Gnostic model of the
Speaker 1: universe that there's higher levels of beings, not necessarily that
Speaker 1: they're evil because they're not they're not all evil, and
Speaker 1: that they are like kind of guarding realities beneath them,
Speaker 1: and that they come to you and they pull you
Speaker 1: along through lives to help you learn lessons, and that
Speaker 1: you know, essentially we all come from one source. And
Speaker 1: he created the term looche. People misunderstand that term, and
Speaker 1: what he meant by that was that for better or
Speaker 1: for worse, there are entities in the higher worlds that
Speaker 1: are charged by our emotional energy. Yes, there are negative
Speaker 1: beings who harvest our fear, the satanic dark force, but
Speaker 1: there's also positive beings too that when we give them
Speaker 1: our love and our joy and our gratitude, it charges
Speaker 1: you know, the angels, and they get excited and they
Speaker 1: do dances in the sky and they shoot around and
Speaker 1: you know, they connect to your heart. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: there's something too, this whole Gnosta cosmology thing. So back
Speaker 1: to the HIGHLYX or past the HIGHLYX. Now we're on
Speaker 1: the psychics. The second type of person is the immortal
Speaker 1: soul that inhabits dead things, concerning itself with them, for
Speaker 1: it then undertakes a search for particular benefits, and it
Speaker 1: experiences bodily suffering. The soul is treated corporeally, and it
Speaker 1: forgets that it has an eternal god. It associates with demons,
Speaker 1: now the humanity, and the sojourn. If it inwardly possesses
Speaker 1: the discovery of the truth, it is far away from
Speaker 1: the deeds of others who lives wickedly and stumbled. And
Speaker 1: then we're onto the third type, the pneumatics, the fully
Speaker 1: awakened human incarnations, the people who have a deep need
Speaker 1: to seek the mysteries. As for the type of person
Speaker 1: that repents, if it renounces dead things and desires real things,
Speaker 1: immortal mind and immortal soul, it is going to be
Speaker 1: zealous about them by first undertaking for itself an inquiry
Speaker 1: not just about action, but of the results. Remember I
Speaker 1: talked about being someone who's in search of the truth.
Speaker 1: It's like being a scientist. I don't care about all
Speaker 1: that fluffy crap. I want what's real. I want what
Speaker 1: has results. I want what truly connects me to the
Speaker 1: other side. Cut Cut the crap. You know, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm getting at here. It becomes more or less a
Speaker 1: science in the search of truth. From this he receives
Speaker 1: another way of thinking. The entire place in every attainment
Speaker 1: will be his. Now. The type of person that can
Speaker 1: be saved is the one that seeks itself and its
Speaker 1: intellect and finds each of them, and how much power
Speaker 1: this type has. The person that has been saved is
Speaker 1: one who has not known about these things merely as
Speaker 1: they seem to exist, but one who is personally involved
Speaker 1: with the rational faculty as it exists in him. He
Speaker 1: has grasped their image that changes in every situation, as
Speaker 1: though they had become simple and one. For then this
Speaker 1: type is saved, who can pass through them all, he
Speaker 1: becomes them all. Whenever he wishes, he again parts from
Speaker 1: all these matters and withdraws into himself, for he becomes divine,
Speaker 1: having withdrawn into God. So, in other words, you separate
Speaker 1: yourself from the trap of the material world. You begin
Speaker 1: to purify yourself and retreat into the mysteries and desperately
Speaker 1: walk the path of seeking God. You don't care about
Speaker 1: all this crap out here anymore because you're in pursuit
Speaker 1: of the truth and connecting to the other side, which
Speaker 1: is where you come from. So that's a wrap. Any
Speaker 1: thoughts on that one. You asked me not to throw
Speaker 1: you to the freaking wolves, so and just kind of.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I didn't know what to expect, and
Speaker 2: I enjoyed listening to you talk about the Ctriana's writings.
Speaker 1: Awesome. I had to check my notes make sure I
Speaker 1: got it right before we started. Alex was like, don't
Speaker 1: just hang me out to dry and just like catch
Speaker 1: me off guard and be like, what do you think
Speaker 1: about that? And I don't have time to think about it,
Speaker 1: So this time I waited till the end. Well, I
Speaker 1: did ask you a couple things, like what is Christianity?
Speaker 1: But that's different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little more familiar with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, good job. Awesome, Thank you. Say your prayers,
Speaker 1: do your meditations, Stay connected to the spirit, and continue
Speaker 1: to be positive, and continue to be a lie. Remember
Speaker 1: that we are called not only to be monks, but
Speaker 1: to be warriors, and we are in spiritual warfare right now,
Speaker 1: So we have to remember to charge ourselves with the
Speaker 1: presence of the divine. We have to constantly stay connected
Speaker 1: to the presence. So you need to be doing your
Speaker 1: things in your daily life that keep you connected to
Speaker 1: this presence. So try it. Uh, you know, do your prayers,
Speaker 1: do do your meditations, and If you don't want to
Speaker 1: do Christian prayer, that's fine. Do mantras, do do do something,
Speaker 1: but do something that's real. So anyway, love you guys,
Speaker 1: have a great week, and uh you know, we'll see.
Speaker 2: An excise.
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