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Speaker 2: Open up to an hot asse. You are something in
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Speaker 3: You or something in the woods?
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Speaker 4: don't go outside, there's something near the woods tonight.
Speaker 2: I hear him knocking, shaking bushits.
Speaker 4: Footprints, howland on my long Open up to an odyssey,
Speaker 4: something in the woods.
Speaker 1: I folks on, welcome my guest of the show. It
Speaker 1: is Tom from Michigan. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Sir, Oh, thank you, pleasure to meet your right.
Speaker 2: I am glad to have you.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: Let's get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Think what guy you interested in the subject? To begin with,
Speaker 1: I'll shay, I'm a child of the sixties.
Speaker 3: That's where I was born. Going in the seventies, there
Speaker 3: was a resurgence of interest in the whole Bigfoot phenomenon.
Speaker 3: So as a child by just I hate that stuff
Speaker 3: up every magazine, every book, or some horrible movies. Some
Speaker 3: of the were good, most of them were not. Get
Speaker 3: my parents to take me to those. They shot through them.
Speaker 3: At least my dad did. My mom didn't want anything
Speaker 3: to do with it. But as a child I had
Speaker 3: this interest. Then I grew up, I went to college,
Speaker 3: I got a job. Buried and also behind me went
Speaker 3: to the White Side. Then my wife and I decided
Speaker 3: that being married was the right thing for either of us,
Speaker 3: and I got divorced. I thought, I have nothing old
Speaker 3: of being back went on. I look up and see
Speaker 3: what's going on in the Bigfoot community. I hit the
Speaker 3: internet and I found this tiny little organization called the BFRO.
Speaker 3: They had an expedition planned in my state, in northern Michigan,
Speaker 3: and I thought, hey, here's an opportunity to get back
Speaker 3: in and see what's going on, learn about what's going
Speaker 3: on in the world of Bigfoot. I always had an
Speaker 3: interest as a child, but as I got old, I thought,
Speaker 3: here's an opportunity, let's get into it. That's where my
Speaker 3: journey in the early two thousand started.
Speaker 1: So I know you're here to talk about some experiences,
Speaker 1: So why don't we just go back to your first experience.
Speaker 1: Take us back to where you were, what you were doing,
Speaker 1: and tell us what happened to you.
Speaker 3: Okay, thousand and eight, there's a town in the Upper Peninsula.
Speaker 3: The largest town in the Upper Peninsula in Michigan call Marquette,
Speaker 3: which is a fairly salivable college town in the heart
Speaker 3: of the Upper Peninsula. You get that far out of
Speaker 3: town and you're pretty much in the woods up there,
Speaker 3: a lot of forests, a lot of trees, a lot
Speaker 3: of swamps and rivers, very forested and being a part
Speaker 3: of the thorn Is eighth And after I talked about
Speaker 3: going on THISVFRO expedition after my divorce, after the first expedition,
Speaker 3: I apparently was enthusiastic enough that they asked me to
Speaker 3: become an investigator for that. So that's what it did.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and eight, I and a group of
Speaker 3: other investigators were doing it's a scouting party but the
Speaker 3: BFRO at that time and I'm no longer a member,
Speaker 3: but at that time and we used the BFRO would
Speaker 3: go through reports, they'd look at data and they'd find
Speaker 3: these places where activity was dam reported, where people were
Speaker 3: telling them things were going on. So investigators would get
Speaker 3: together and we do these private expeditions to scout these
Speaker 3: places out and is there any activity going on? Is
Speaker 3: there anything interesting? Would this make a good sight a
Speaker 3: scouting act? I was one of the people who had
Speaker 3: that probably travel the farthest to get there. Maybe not
Speaker 3: the farthest, but one of the farthests. I had to
Speaker 3: work that day. I lived in northern Lawer, Michigan. This
Speaker 3: was about as six hour drive to get to the
Speaker 3: camping location in the scouting location. Got out of work
Speaker 3: later than I expected. I packed my stuff up and
Speaker 3: I headed up along the way. But it's getting later,
Speaker 3: and it's a long drive. I don't know if you've
Speaker 3: ever been to the Upper Peninsula, Michigan, but there are
Speaker 3: miles and miles of nothing. Caffeine is the order of
Speaker 3: the day. Drank a large amount of caffeine on my
Speaker 3: trip on the way there. Even then, I got there
Speaker 3: way later than everybody else. You know, I'd hoped to
Speaker 3: get there leave worker only get there before dark. I
Speaker 3: got there well after dark, knowing that location a little
Speaker 3: bit already. I knew where the main campsite was, but
Speaker 3: I decided that I would instead pull off into another location,
Speaker 3: an apple orchard on that same road, and this is
Speaker 3: a dirt road. I pulled off into the apple orchard
Speaker 3: that might have been a mile from the main campsite,
Speaker 3: and I thought I'll just I'll sleep in my car tonight.
Speaker 3: So that's what I did as a little supers. They're
Speaker 3: not that comfortable if you're sleeping in the driver's seat.
Speaker 3: But it was a long work day in a long drive.
Speaker 3: But going back to all that caffeinated beverage I drank
Speaker 3: I kind of more than once during the night. Like
Speaker 3: it's a book kip there and we're talking about dark
Speaker 3: skys where this that you know, market of miles and
Speaker 3: mouths from where this location is at. There's nothing but
Speaker 3: dark skies there. You look up to see the stars.
Speaker 3: It's just gorgeous. Is quiet. One of the times I
Speaker 3: got up to wrote weave my shelf, I could hear
Speaker 3: something large making noises down in the apple orchard. You
Speaker 3: could hear something walking, could hear making noises, and then
Speaker 3: I heard something shaking on an apple tree. It shook
Speaker 3: it so hard. It was just you could just sounded
Speaker 3: like a rainfall of apples coming out of the tree,
Speaker 3: falling out of the tree. It was scary because just
Speaker 3: the power that it would take to do what was
Speaker 3: happening there. So finished to my business as quickly as
Speaker 3: they could, and I quickly got back into the shoebrew
Speaker 3: because we all know the third shave cars. Although it
Speaker 3: was quite experience, I was still tired, even though with
Speaker 3: the caffeine it doesn't affect like normal people because but
Speaker 3: I did fall asleep, and then before dawn I woke up,
Speaker 3: but I couldn't move parallous of sorts, and so I
Speaker 3: would say, let's sleep paraos and hopefully we'll have an
Speaker 3: opportunity to talk about that as we get into my
Speaker 3: other encounters. But basically I was in the driver's seat
Speaker 3: looking back. I was awake, but I couldn't move, but
Speaker 3: I couldn't see enough of the driver's side window that
Speaker 3: a creature walked past and it bent down and it
Speaker 3: looked in the car while I was there unable to move,
Speaker 3: and looked at me walking and it was gone. It
Speaker 3: only lasted a couple of seconds, but I clearly shot
Speaker 3: and then the parrels went away, so I quickly got
Speaker 3: out of the car. Was still pre dawned, but like
Speaker 3: I said, the dark sky's there. You can see the
Speaker 3: by the star of any moonlight, so it was bright enough.
Speaker 3: I didn't see anything at that point, and it was gone,
Speaker 3: very interesting, very disturbing. I would say, what I show
Speaker 3: all was very similar to what Patterson Ginlan movie, very
Speaker 3: stereotypical looking fast flatch. When I looked, there's an artist,
Speaker 3: Sibylla Irwin. I found some of her sketches after the fact,
Speaker 3: and I found one that was incredibly similar to what
Speaker 3: I saw. Some of her stuff. It's based on eyewindness reports,
Speaker 3: and she's an excellent sketch artist. Clearly, it was a creature,
Speaker 3: not a bear. I do have a degree in biology,
Speaker 3: and that didn't know the Michigan my whole life. I
Speaker 3: know a paper when I see one, and this wasn't
Speaker 3: a bear. Pretty frightening. That is my class A. I
Speaker 3: don't know that. I wouldn't say that I've ever had
Speaker 3: anything other than that as a class A, but I've
Speaker 3: had a few other experiences. We will hopefully have an
Speaker 3: opportunity to talk about this during this conversation that was
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight ten. Because it's such a fun area,
Speaker 3: this area south of Markette a few miles, it's a
Speaker 3: drive to get there busy. You have to go to
Speaker 3: Markette if you want to get a sandwich shirt thing.
Speaker 3: If you don't bring food, we would make that drive.
Speaker 3: But a couple of years later, several of the investigators decided,
Speaker 3: let's go back. Such an intriguing site because other people
Speaker 3: had experiences in that area as well, half eaten screws
Speaker 3: thrown at them from the woods, things like that, just
Speaker 3: weird stuff. This was yet another time there. I had
Speaker 3: a very large tree just laid down in front of
Speaker 3: my tent while we were out on maneuvers. So very
Speaker 3: exciting place. But in twenty ten I decided to have
Speaker 3: another expedition there. I brought a friend with me, the
Speaker 3: friend who's a skeptic. At that time he was a skeptic.
Speaker 3: I decided he enjoys camping too, so let's go camp.
Speaker 3: The main group decided that they would camp out it
Speaker 3: at the same base camp that I had not gone
Speaker 3: to for that first event. I instead said Patrick, I
Speaker 3: had this great site. It's a wave from the other folks.
Speaker 3: It's going to be really quiet and peaceful. Let's had
Speaker 3: our tent up there. So I went back to the
Speaker 3: Apple or try when I have my Class A sighting.
Speaker 3: There's a turnaround off the road a little bit not
Speaker 3: far off the main dirt road. If you go further in,
Speaker 3: you can drive down a little slope into the apple
Speaker 3: orchard itself, and I said, let's drive down there. Those
Speaker 3: people they're going to be boring and they're going to
Speaker 3: be doing stuffed out at May Camp. What's got this quiet?
Speaker 3: A little place near a apple orchard, I know, So
Speaker 3: we did. During the night, while we were sleeping, I
Speaker 3: woke up and again I couldn't move. I was paralyzed again,
Speaker 3: which was it's a very disturbing thing to have happened
Speaker 3: to you. Again. A lot of people said you were
Speaker 3: just having some sort of sleep proalysis, which it has
Speaker 3: the characteristics of that, except I've never had sleep paralysis
Speaker 3: in my life other than the prow that happened there.
Speaker 3: At that time, I woke up in Might, sleeping back.
Speaker 3: I couldn't move, I couldn't hear anything. It was very quiet,
Speaker 3: very peaceful, but I couldn't move. And then suddenly this
Speaker 3: feeling of calmness, relief, everything's going to be wonderful came
Speaker 3: over me and I said, all asleep, like a serotonin
Speaker 3: release of south short some sort of brain chemical saying
Speaker 3: everything's going to be fine. I go back to sleep,
Speaker 3: and I did. The next day, we went to Bay
Speaker 3: Camp before hanging out coffee breakfast that sort of thing,
Speaker 3: and we brought up to the other investigators. Hey, here's
Speaker 3: what happened to me last night. And I woke up
Speaker 3: the middle of night frozen, couldn't move like the time
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, and this time, I just
Speaker 3: after it was over everything with fool, I wanted to
Speaker 3: go back to sleep, and I did, and my buddy
Speaker 3: Patrick keeler at me. You didn't say anything in front
Speaker 3: of the group, didn't say a word as I described
Speaker 3: what happened to me. But we finished up our breakfasts,
Speaker 3: are hanging out at base camp, and we decided that
Speaker 3: we would go back to our tent our campsite get
Speaker 3: some gears so we could do some hiking and scouting
Speaker 3: around for the rest of the day. On the way back,
Speaker 3: he told me the same thing happened to me last night.
Speaker 3: So very interesting, very interesting phenomena, very different after the
Speaker 3: fact other people that I knew. We left a friend
Speaker 3: of mine who was part of the group at the
Speaker 3: main camp site the last night that he was on
Speaker 3: the expedition. I left before he did. He staid another
Speaker 3: day the last night he decided to camp in the
Speaker 3: Apple Orchard as well, where we had been camped and
Speaker 3: he later related to me the same thing happened to him.
Speaker 3: It's very interesting last experience, and this was I would
Speaker 3: call life chacking in that it changed ultimately a number
Speaker 3: of behaviors that I do, one that I won't camp anymore,
Speaker 3: among other things. It's scared me that much. So we
Speaker 3: were again. It was a scouting expedition of investigators and
Speaker 3: we went further west in the Upper Peninsula. We are
Speaker 3: going near a time called I believe it's Kenton. You
Speaker 3: go further west, even farther from people. We decided we
Speaker 3: were in a camp. First night we camped near a
Speaker 3: lake boring. Nothing happened, So we decided, let's go further
Speaker 3: and we're going to go to a different site and
Speaker 3: even further away from the people. So we did that.
Speaker 3: We got there. We did night maneuvers, one of the
Speaker 3: things that investigators I don't know if they still do
Speaker 3: and are not an ace so because it can result
Speaker 3: in activity. We got maneuvers or patrol or whatever. Basically,
Speaker 3: you just put on your headlamps, set it to red light,
Speaker 3: you walk through the woods. You don't want to ruin
Speaker 3: your night vision, and small groups of people go through
Speaker 3: the woods seeing what you d wrestle up. Sometimes you knock,
Speaker 3: sometimes you vocalize that sort of thing. That evening, I
Speaker 3: was the designated vocalizer. That meant I got to do
Speaker 3: some howling. I do okay with it. I was able
Speaker 3: to make some pretty convincing human sounding like another animal
Speaker 3: type sounds. Did that number of times at one time.
Speaker 3: I did that towards the end last we were heading
Speaker 3: that camp. It kicked up quite a reaction from a
Speaker 3: group of kios packs for short. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you've been in the woods, when the coyos, they get excited,
Speaker 3: and it was really close. It was really loud. It
Speaker 3: was pretty impressive. That was towards the end. We got
Speaker 3: back to our camp. We sat around the campfire a
Speaker 3: little bit and it started to rain. It over seems
Speaker 3: to rain when I camp. But what we did is
Speaker 3: we all went to our separate tense and the two
Speaker 3: other investigators. They were run one side of the camp.
Speaker 3: I was on the other side. I would say seventy
Speaker 3: five to one hundred feet separating us. I camped separately.
Speaker 3: I laid down in the tent. There's an interesting thing
Speaker 3: I like to do. One of the things I'm most
Speaker 3: interested in because it's relatively inexpensive and you can collection
Speaker 3: really interesting data. Is audio recording by I staid up
Speaker 3: my audio recorder. It was a nice O Libus PCM
Speaker 3: digital recorder. I could run nearly a whole night. Why
Speaker 3: I shut that up. I had a stereo was set
Speaker 3: up with two mics going into it, and I hung
Speaker 3: it from the top of my tent and I went
Speaker 3: to sleep. It rained very hard, Like I said, you
Speaker 3: started raining, but it rained very hard, like torrential downfall
Speaker 3: type rain all night. In the morning, towards morning, it stopped.
Speaker 3: I'm sleeping and suddenly I wake and I can't move,
Speaker 3: the same paralysis that we described previously. I couldn't move.
Speaker 3: It was different than the other times. It laughed. In
Speaker 3: like seven minutes. I fought it. If I struggled, I
Speaker 3: tried to yell for help. I could move a little bit.
Speaker 3: You could try to move my feet a little bit.
Speaker 3: I was yelling for all like I should have lasted
Speaker 3: for about seven minutes, and then there was a knock
Speaker 3: up the hill from where my tent was, and I
Speaker 3: was released. I could move again. I didn't move. I
Speaker 3: decided moving would not be a good idea right now,
Speaker 3: this was right around dawn. Unlike the last time near Marquette.
Speaker 3: When this event was over, I didn't have that feeling
Speaker 3: before it. It didn't I feel like serotonin had been released.
Speaker 3: I was still terrorized there, still felt helpless, and I
Speaker 3: didn't want to be there that sort of thing. So
Speaker 3: I have a couple of theories, and they're only theories.
Speaker 3: I can't really say why it happened the way it
Speaker 3: did or what was going on. But I felt like
Speaker 3: we were tracing around in their backyard and they didn't
Speaker 3: want us there. I felt a message was delivered. The
Speaker 3: message was don't come around here no more. After the fact,
Speaker 3: I listened to the recording so and I captured the event,
Speaker 3: the whole event of me being paralyzed, me trying to
Speaker 3: yell for help. It comes. I was more like very disturbing.
Speaker 3: I don't like to listen to it. A lot of
Speaker 3: people don't like to listen to it. You can hear
Speaker 3: it if you listen to the recording, and it's a
Speaker 3: high quality recording. It was a very good digital recorder.
Speaker 3: Even though you can hear the rain drops hitting the tent,
Speaker 3: it stopped raining, but the very wooded though that we
Speaker 3: and the needles are still wet, and that they're dripping
Speaker 3: and hitting the tent. Believe, if you listened closely enough
Speaker 3: to the richl the hat set, you can hear a
Speaker 3: twig snap, like something stepped on a twig outside of
Speaker 3: my tent. That's right around the time that I can't paralyze,
Speaker 3: and you can cheer during during that event, and you
Speaker 3: hear me struggling as best I can, although I can
Speaker 3: barely move, and trying to offer help all of it.
Speaker 3: I can barely speak. And at the end of the recording,
Speaker 3: you can hear what sounds like a wood knock or
Speaker 3: a tree branch snap or something up the hill. That
Speaker 3: was the end. No euphoria, no serotonin release, nothing, just
Speaker 3: we don't want you here.
Speaker 1: Before we go any further, I want to break in
Speaker 1: here in the post edit and share with you the
Speaker 1: clip that Tom was referring to, where he describes the
Speaker 1: terrifying sensation of being paralyzed inside his tent, unable to
Speaker 1: move as strange and unexplained sounds echoed around him. This
Speaker 1: recording is approximately seven minutes long, and I highly recommend
Speaker 1: listening with headphones to fully immerse yourself in the atmosphere.
Speaker 1: Pay close attention. You may even catch the distinct wood
Speaker 1: knocks and snapping sounds that Tom later recounted. As Tom
Speaker 1: himself warned, some listeners may find this audio unsettling, so
Speaker 1: listener discretion is strongly advised. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch
Speaker 1: out to see We'll be right back after these messages.
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Speaker 3: main experiences in the Sas squats realm Ditleased. Among the
Speaker 3: people that I have always associated with and discussed this with,
Speaker 3: we call dansapp. I think it's a pretty common term.
Speaker 3: I've talked to other people who have had similar experiences.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I had a friend who camped after
Speaker 3: the fact in the Apple Orchard experience the same thing.
Speaker 3: I've talked to people who've described not being able to move,
Speaker 3: but they could feel waves going over their body while
Speaker 3: they're laying morseless. So one of the theories is that
Speaker 3: these creatures can emit some sort of infrasound. Large creatures, elephants,
Speaker 3: tigers have the ability to emit low frequency sounds ten
Speaker 3: hurts or less. Whether or not that's what's happening, it's
Speaker 3: hard to say. But the one guy that I talked to,
Speaker 3: it certainly sounded like a low frequency something or other
Speaker 3: was washing over him while he was paralyzed. Some people
Speaker 3: described just hey, I feel like I'm being watched. Some
Speaker 3: people discuss sudden fear coming over them for no reason.
Speaker 3: I saw one investigator I was walking with fall to
Speaker 3: the knees during a night maneuver. It's just a very
Speaker 3: odd phenomenon. Those are the things that happened to me.
Speaker 1: I've conducted countless interviews over the years with people just
Speaker 1: like Tom who make of paralysis and other strange symptoms
Speaker 1: while outlooking for sasquatch. Many like Tom, speculate that these
Speaker 1: creatures may be using infrasound. But what is infrasound and
Speaker 1: what animals use it and why? Well, I thought I
Speaker 1: would take a few minutes and answer those very questions
Speaker 1: before we move on infrasound refers to sound waves that
Speaker 1: occur at frequencies lower than twenty hertz, which is the
Speaker 1: lower limit of human hearing. These low frequency sounds are
Speaker 1: characterized by their long wavelengths, which allow them to travel
Speaker 1: great distances and penetrate through various obstacles like trees, walls, and.
Speaker 2: Even the ground.
Speaker 1: Infrasound can be naturally occurring, generated by earthquakes, ocean waves,
Speaker 1: and volcanic activity. It can also be artificially created by machines, explosions,
Speaker 1: or even some experimental weapons. But perhaps the most fascinating
Speaker 1: aspect of infrasound is its use by certain animals to communicate, hunt,
Speaker 1: and even incapacitate their prey. Despite being imperceptible to the
Speaker 1: human ear, infrasound can have significant physiological and psychological effects.
Speaker 1: People exposed to strong infrasound frequencies have reported feelings of unease, dizziness, nausea,
Speaker 1: and even hallucinations. Some studies suggest that prolonged exposure to
Speaker 1: infrasound may trigger anxiety or paranoia, making it a topic
Speaker 1: of interest in psychological and paranormal research. This property of
Speaker 1: infrasound has led to speculation that it could be used
Speaker 1: as a biological tool by some animals and possibly even
Speaker 1: cryptids like the sasquatch. Several large animals have evolved to
Speaker 1: utilize infrasound as a means of communication, navigation, or even
Speaker 1: as a possible weapon against prayer threats. Elephants are one
Speaker 1: of the most well documented users of infrasound. African and
Speaker 1: Asian elephants communicate over vast distances using infrasound frequencies as
Speaker 1: low as five herts. Elephants emit low frequency rumbles that
Speaker 1: track for miles, allowing distant herds to coordinate movements, worn
Speaker 1: of dangers, and even find mates. These sounds can travel
Speaker 1: through the ground as vibrations, which elephants can detect using
Speaker 1: the sensitive nerves in their feet. During migrations, elephants use
Speaker 1: infrasound to keep their herd together, especially in dense forests
Speaker 1: where visual contact is difficult. Some researchers believe elephants may
Speaker 1: use infrasound to deter predators or signal distress. Tigers are
Speaker 1: another animal known to produce infrasound. Their roars contain frequencies
Speaker 1: as low as eighteen herds, which can cause feelings of
Speaker 1: paralysis and fear in prey animals and possibly even humans.
Speaker 1: A tiger's infrasound enhanced roar can temporarily disorient prey, making
Speaker 1: it easier to subdue them. Some zookeepers have reported feeling
Speaker 1: vibrations in their chest when a tiger roars near them.
Speaker 1: Tigers also use infrasound to mark their presence in an area,
Speaker 1: warning other predators to stay. Some theories suggest that tigers
Speaker 1: may be able to direct infrasound in a more focused manner,
Speaker 1: especially in dense environments like forests, where sound waves can
Speaker 1: reflect off trees and create an amplifying effect. Many whale species,
Speaker 1: particularly blue whales, communicate using infrasound frequencies that can travel
Speaker 1: across entire ocean basins. Infrasound allows whales to communicate over
Speaker 1: thousands of miles. Some marine biologists believe whales may use
Speaker 1: infrasound to map their surroundings by bouncing sound waves off
Speaker 1: the ocean floor. In theory, yes, some animals, like tigers,
Speaker 1: may have a limited ability to focus their infrasound waves,
Speaker 1: especially in enclosed environments like dense forests or caves, where
Speaker 1: sound waves can bounce off surfaces and amplify their effects. However,
Speaker 1: infrasound is typically omnidirectional, meaning it spreads out rather than
Speaker 1: forming a concentrated beam. This means that while infrasound can
Speaker 1: have powerful effects, it is unlikely to be used as
Speaker 1: a precision weapon in a tight space. Instead, it would
Speaker 1: more likely create a general feeling of unease or disorientation
Speaker 1: in a confined environment. In contrast, focused sound waves like
Speaker 1: ultrasound can be concentrated into a beam, but this is
Speaker 1: an entirely different mechanism. Sasquatch is often described as an elusive,
Speaker 1: large primate like creature reported in various parts of North America.
Speaker 1: While scientific evidence for its existence remains unverified, some anecdotal
Speaker 1: reports suggest that witnesses experience strange physiological effects in its presence,
Speaker 1: including a sense of being watched or stalked, sudden waves
Speaker 1: of fear or panic without visible cause, temporary dizziness or nausea.
Speaker 2: If sasquatch were to exist and use.
Speaker 1: Infrasound, it would not be unique among animals, but it
Speaker 1: would be quite unusual for a primate. No known primates,
Speaker 1: including great apes like gorillas or chimpanzees, produce infrasound. If
Speaker 1: sasquatch could generate infrasound, it would suggest a level of
Speaker 1: vocal capability or chest resonance significantly different from that of
Speaker 1: known primates.
Speaker 3: Since the inside event near Kenson, I won't keep what's campanymore.
Speaker 3: It was be frightening, and I sometimes wonder if I
Speaker 3: had been there by myself, if I would have become
Speaker 3: less statistic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a scary thing to think about. This is
Speaker 2: something that's come up over and over.
Speaker 1: I've probably done a thousand interviews at this point, between
Speaker 1: the show and meeting people at conferences and doing speaking
Speaker 1: engagements and those kind of things. It comes up often
Speaker 1: with people having this experience where they think they have
Speaker 1: been zapped or they've experienced infrasound. It's interesting to me.
Speaker 1: It's one of the things. I love this phenomenon because
Speaker 1: I go in so many different directions. I'm a big
Speaker 1: audio guy. Obviously, I love audio. I deal with audio
Speaker 1: as a content creator all the time. I just announced
Speaker 1: it recently. I'm actually going up to Ron Moorhead's house
Speaker 1: on the twenty fifth of the month. Ron is going
Speaker 1: to play some of these unreleased sounds. Because I've always
Speaker 1: been fascinated with the Sierra sounds and things that people
Speaker 1: can hear. I've heard vocalizations. That's what started everything here
Speaker 1: on our property in North Carolina for us was hearing
Speaker 1: vocalizations first. Then there was gifting that it's progressed from there.
Speaker 1: I heard what sounded like samurai chatter when I was
Speaker 1: up in RADIUMBC back in twenty twenty three. Ideo has
Speaker 1: always been this fascination for me, But infrasound is one
Speaker 1: of those things that you can't record. Infrasound, you can't
Speaker 1: hear it. It's only the person who experiences it. Abe
Speaker 1: del Rio comes to mind. Abe was out on expedition
Speaker 1: with some other folks. He was the biggest guy in
Speaker 1: the group. He's a pretty imposing figure right the threat
Speaker 1: he's the threat figure, and he was completely crippled. And
Speaker 1: nobody else experienced anything like Abe experience during that moment.
Speaker 1: So it seems to be very directed, at least in
Speaker 1: most of the cases that I've documented, it's a very
Speaker 1: directed thing that one person versus other peoples. Let's crack
Speaker 1: this open and get into some of your theories about infrasound.
Speaker 1: Because you mentioned lions, you mentioned tigers, you mentioned elephants,
Speaker 1: some of these bigger animals have the ability to emit infrasound,
Speaker 1: but that would be a unique thing amongst primates. That's
Speaker 1: a whole nother ball of wax. Whether these things are
Speaker 1: possibly primates, people think they're closer to human beings, but
Speaker 1: ultimately I feel they're some sort of a primate. That
Speaker 1: would be something that's very unique to primates. As far
Speaker 1: as my understanding, do you have theories about Do you
Speaker 1: think it's straight up infrasound? Do you think it's some
Speaker 1: other kind of ability that these things have. What are
Speaker 1: your theories on what you experienced versus Again, that's the
Speaker 1: common thing for skeptics to go to is to say, oh,
Speaker 1: you're experiencing sleep paralysis.
Speaker 3: That's what it was.
Speaker 2: So what are your theories on one versus the other?
Speaker 2: And what do you think you ultimately experienced?
Speaker 3: Well, I always thought sound was likely the best candidate
Speaker 3: because it's something that we already know occurs in nature
Speaker 3: among other mammals. We know that they are mammals who
Speaker 3: can emit. The thing that's very confusing for me, and
Speaker 3: one of the things that makes me wonder if it's
Speaker 3: something else, is low frequency sound is non directional. It
Speaker 3: goes everywhere. It's hard for it to be directional, but
Speaker 3: I too have experienced where like I said, the one
Speaker 3: guy stumbled to his knees. He was just ten feet
Speaker 3: away from me when he went to his knees, and
Speaker 3: I didn't hear anything at that time. He was the
Speaker 3: bigger of the two of us on that walk, so
Speaker 3: he was in my mind he was the threat figure
Speaker 3: to them, the one that they wanted to get the
Speaker 3: message to. It is very interesting if it is infrasound
Speaker 3: one like we talked about, you and I don't. We
Speaker 3: can't afford the equipment record that sort of thing. We
Speaker 3: can't afford the equipment to collect reasonable data, and the
Speaker 3: people who can are putting it towards a big perch.
Speaker 3: I think it's the best option. When we talk about elephants,
Speaker 3: they're not predators, but I think they can use it
Speaker 3: for a long distance. A very intelligent animal, they probably
Speaker 3: use it communication. But when we talk about predators, if
Speaker 3: a predator can have some sort of tool that makes
Speaker 3: hunting just a little bit easier to startle a prey
Speaker 3: animal some sort, it seems like it's a reasonable tool.
Speaker 3: When I think about a saslatch, it's a very large animal.
Speaker 3: It needs a lot of calories. If they adapted or evolved,
Speaker 3: I'm an aper. If they evolved, one there are a
Speaker 3: large enough animal, they have the lung capacity, they would
Speaker 3: be a candidate for being able to emit or produce
Speaker 3: some sort of infra sound. If they can use that
Speaker 3: as part of their predation activity. I think that it
Speaker 3: becomes very beneficial to them. Why burn all of your
Speaker 3: calories chasing deer if all you have to do is
Speaker 3: sneak up on them and paralyze them with some sort
Speaker 3: of infra sound, then you just you walk up and
Speaker 3: beat them down, you twist their neck or whatever. You
Speaker 3: don't have to run as fast as as a deer
Speaker 3: for any distance. It becomes very calorie efficient if you've
Speaker 3: got this technique. Is the different sound. I can't think
Speaker 3: of anything other than like electric gals. I can't think
Speaker 3: of any manvels that can produce an electrical charge that
Speaker 3: would interrupt your brain activity, and for sound is the
Speaker 3: best candidate.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch otyesy, we'll be right
Speaker 1: back after these messages.
Speaker 3: I think too that if it does indeed as a
Speaker 3: physiological capability, they use it, probably more frequently than people realize,
Speaker 3: investigate people that are camping. It'd be the perfect tool
Speaker 3: if you want to walk into somebody's campsite in the
Speaker 3: woods without disturbing them, if you can paralyze them and
Speaker 3: keep them from waking up. I wake up very easily.
Speaker 3: I've got cats. I can hear a cad vomiting from
Speaker 3: a dead sweep to a cad vomiting on the other
Speaker 3: side of the room like that. I think a lot
Speaker 3: of people don't wake up, and this is all theory.
Speaker 3: I can't prove any of this. But if these creatures
Speaker 3: want to investigate campers or campsites, come in at three
Speaker 3: four am when people are already deep asleep and use
Speaker 3: that to make that they don't wake up so that
Speaker 3: they can investigate, maybe go through the core, whatever they
Speaker 3: want to do. Interesting, I believe less Stroud he did
Speaker 3: a fast Watch series, if you'd ever had a chance
Speaker 3: to listen to those, and he was involved. He did
Speaker 3: some word with Todd as well, and in one of
Speaker 3: his videos where he's camping by himself, I think he
Speaker 3: goes to a higher elevation into some foothills or even
Speaker 3: mountainous area by himself. He's camping, he said, during the
Speaker 3: middle of the night, and this weird dream and it
Speaker 3: felt like something was sitting on my chest. And right
Speaker 3: away I'm thinking, I think maybe whatever happened to me
Speaker 3: was happening to him and he didn't wake up. It's
Speaker 3: these things that really piqued my interest and made me
Speaker 3: at least tractually that they come around human's more frequent
Speaker 3: than we think in the middle of the woods, and
Speaker 3: the humans are in a state where they can't wake
Speaker 3: up and they don't know what's going on because of this,
Speaker 3: and I'm trying to find it again, which is very interesting.
Speaker 3: I read some sort of Native American story at what
Speaker 3: point where they described some Native Americans were having some
Speaker 3: sort of feud with these they called them the red
Speaker 3: haired giants. Some of the Native Americans would described waking
Speaker 3: up they would both think them. They would wake up
Speaker 3: not in their camp, not in their home. They would
Speaker 3: wake up somewhere else, not knowing where they were at.
Speaker 3: Were they fat, were they paralyzed, were they picked up
Speaker 3: and hauled off? I don't know. It's a very intrigning story. Again,
Speaker 3: those stories, they're not documented, their hand down. What you
Speaker 3: read on the Internet, a lot of it's whoy you
Speaker 3: us never know, but there are these scraps of stories
Speaker 3: and tales about the sort of phenomenon that are really
Speaker 3: hard to explain. I don't know if I got into
Speaker 3: my theories so deeply enough or fine so like I'm
Speaker 3: a ranting kook.
Speaker 2: But no, no, not at all. Let's actually shared that story.
Speaker 1: The first time I had him on the podcast, probably
Speaker 1: three years ago, he shared that story about feeling like
Speaker 1: something was sitting on him while he was in the
Speaker 1: sleeping bag. We're going out an expedition together later this year,
Speaker 1: probably September October. I'm definitely going to ask him about
Speaker 1: that when we hang out, get some further details, because
Speaker 1: I never considered the fact that it might have been
Speaker 1: some sort of an infrasound situation.
Speaker 2: That he was in.
Speaker 1: Very much like you said, maybe he was being bombarded
Speaker 1: with infrasound and wasn't able to wake up. He's had
Speaker 1: a couple of mind speak things. We're going to get
Speaker 1: a little deeper and talk a little bit about that
Speaker 1: while we're hanging out.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: This is one of the things that surprised me about
Speaker 1: the BFRO. I know tons of folks that are in
Speaker 1: the BFRO, laur Wade, I know Rick Rayless, I've had
Speaker 1: on the podcast in the past. Matt Moneymaker obviously probably
Speaker 1: the most famous Bigfoot in the BFRO because he started it.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing that stuck out to me, particularly
Speaker 1: having conversations with folks like Rick and Lorie Wade, is
Speaker 1: people think, or at least I thought, I'll stick to me.
Speaker 1: I thought the BFRO was more of an apor type
Speaker 1: organization where people were pretty much flesh and blood. They
Speaker 1: went about it at a certain way. But that's not
Speaker 1: entirely at curate, because I know Laurie has had some
Speaker 1: really weird situations happened to her that she can't explain
Speaker 1: that would be far beyond, in my opinion, a flesh
Speaker 1: and blood creature. Same thing with Rick and some other
Speaker 1: folks that have experienced things. Have you had anything that
Speaker 1: stuck out to you as beyond outside of obviously infrasam,
Speaker 1: which is we know it happens in other mammals, So
Speaker 1: that's not something that really sticks out to me. Did
Speaker 1: you find that during your time in the BFRO that
Speaker 1: there were more strange and weird occurrences that people were
Speaker 1: dealing with when they were out looking for bigfoot, and
Speaker 1: if so, how did you deal with that as a
Speaker 1: researcher and investigator, How did you check those boxes and
Speaker 1: where did you file that away in your research.
Speaker 3: That's a good question, and I was at a BRFRO
Speaker 3: trying to think I've been out of the BFO maybe
Speaker 3: ten or twelve years. It's been a little while, maybe fifteen.
Speaker 3: The years go by, we were very aproback then. We
Speaker 3: had the apers lose with my background, my degree is biology,
Speaker 3: been in aper. Other than for sound, I never saw
Speaker 3: orgs or lights or anything like that. I never had
Speaker 3: any sort of mind speaker anything. But I talked with people,
Speaker 3: not just investigators, but they talked about attendees. Because the
Speaker 3: expeditions are the larger expeditions, you have the non investigators,
Speaker 3: so it's part of the process. You bring them into
Speaker 3: the woods. We tried to get some activity to happen,
Speaker 3: and they had things happen to them that were a
Speaker 3: little bit more difficult to explain in the back chat channels.
Speaker 3: At least at the time we had our separate emails
Speaker 3: going having the invert investigation conversations going on. There were
Speaker 3: always the WU and the apes. There are a lot
Speaker 3: of divides between believes sets, but there are things that
Speaker 3: happened that that are still difficult to explain in that
Speaker 3: very same apple orchard. At other times we had people
Speaker 3: say that they saw blue lights while they were there
Speaker 3: when I wasn't there, and they were there because we
Speaker 3: used that site a number of times because it was
Speaker 3: so exciting, we would put other people there. We did
Speaker 3: one maneuver where we sluck a person into a tent
Speaker 3: in the apple. Well, you all clustered up, walked to
Speaker 3: the tent flexione in we're trying to fool somebody, and
Speaker 3: then we all took off and left that person in
Speaker 3: the tent by herself, probably one of the bravest. Actually.
Speaker 3: First she described some things that happened when she was
Speaker 3: in there by herself that were a little odd, including
Speaker 3: some blue lines and things like that. But I never
Speaker 3: saw things like that. I don't want to being an aber.
Speaker 3: I still want to keep an open mind about what
Speaker 3: other people have experienced and go from there.
Speaker 1: I've been on the fence about these things forever. I've
Speaker 1: always been arrested in the subject. I was fifty to
Speaker 1: fifty on their existence until last year when I had
Speaker 1: my experiences where I actually got to.
Speaker 2: See these things, so I know they're real.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Now I'm on a different path. I am less about evidence, honestly,
Speaker 1: and more about what these things are. This is something
Speaker 1: I've just gotten into recently. I love Matt Preutz book
Speaker 1: The Phenomenal Sasquatch, and I was going back and reading
Speaker 1: it yesterday. I'm reading one of John bender Nagl's books,
Speaker 1: The Discovery of the Sasquatch by On bender Nagel. I'm
Speaker 1: way beyond if they're real now I want to know
Speaker 1: what they are. I'm torn with a couple of different
Speaker 1: theories on my personal theories, some sort of leftover possibly relative.
Speaker 1: I don't think Gigantopithecus still exists. I think maybe some
Speaker 1: sort of offshoot of Gigantopithecus, maybe some sort of australopithe scene.
Speaker 2: So I have my theories.
Speaker 1: Do you have or have you developed a theory as
Speaker 1: a quote unquote ape or what do you think these
Speaker 1: things might be. Do you think they're closer to some
Speaker 1: sort of a great ape, maybe a Gigantopithecus, some sort
Speaker 1: of australopithe scene, or do you think they're closer related
Speaker 1: to human.
Speaker 2: Beings like some other folks do.
Speaker 1: And frankly, some of the Native Americans First Nations people
Speaker 1: describe them as a people.
Speaker 3: Just looking at the Paris and Gimlin film, and when
Speaker 3: we hear other people describe what they saw morphologically, they
Speaker 3: don't seem to be closer to humans than to judge
Speaker 3: an epithecus or other primates. They don't seem to be
Speaker 3: quite on the same tree as we are. They're different
Speaker 3: their math. When we look at human evolution in human history,
Speaker 3: we're larger now than we've ever been. When you look
Speaker 3: at arm length, that's a pretty common description, is their
Speaker 3: arms the way longer when you look at how the
Speaker 3: feet work in the Patterson Gibbon and I believe Patterson
Speaker 3: Gibbons shown is authentic despite all of the efforts to
Speaker 3: send it through software to make it look sharper. That
Speaker 3: only adds artifacts, that adds data that's not really there.
Speaker 3: But I think it's an outhetic. So when I look
Speaker 3: at that, I don't see a human or a near
Speaker 3: human creature. I see something that evolved on a different
Speaker 3: part of the primate tree. Morphologically, it's just too different,
Speaker 3: and it's developed these things the whole question of eyeshine
Speaker 3: or eye glow, we don't have anything like that. But
Speaker 3: I've seen it, you know, I've seen those those lights.
Speaker 3: I've seen the red eyes. Those are the ones in
Speaker 3: the darkness. Your eyes can see blue spots and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. But if you see glowing red out of
Speaker 3: the woods looking at you down at trut, we're seeing
Speaker 3: something that's destin. It's just too morphologically different than us
Speaker 3: for me to feel like it's any sort of human.
Speaker 3: The Native Americans, as far as they are about the
Speaker 3: natural world at that time, they didn't know what a
Speaker 3: chimpanzee was. All they knew was humans, and they saw
Speaker 3: a biped that was roughly the same shape as they
Speaker 3: were in their mind. That is that's my cousin or
Speaker 3: its offshoot of humans. That when we look at the
Speaker 3: greater world and with the experience that we have in
Speaker 3: the modern era, we know that there are our primates
Speaker 3: out there with hands the posable thumbs that are not humans.
Speaker 3: So that's my take on it.
Speaker 1: It's all subjective, man. I appreciate you answering the question,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences.
Speaker 1: I've had a blast talking to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my pleasure, glad to let to share my story.
Speaker 3: And I encourage people if you've had similar experiences, and
Speaker 3: you've been paralyzed or suddenly near in the woods and
Speaker 3: you follow your knees with fear for no reason, but
Speaker 3: people don't get your story out. The only way we
Speaker 3: can build a more solid hypothesis or a theory of
Speaker 3: what's going on this if we collect data. And I
Speaker 3: really asked people to tell your stories. Tell what happened
Speaker 3: to you, don't what you've seen, what you saw when
Speaker 3: you heard.
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