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<v Speaker 1>Today, I want to tell you about a journey that

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<v Speaker 1>I've been on for most of my life. Ever since

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and

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<v Speaker 1>wild men while spending time with my friends and family.

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<v Speaker 2>Open up to an hot asse. You are something in

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<v Speaker 2>the woods? Anato to you what you're about to see?

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<v Speaker 3>You or something in the woods?

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<v Speaker 4>Knock in the park con changer right, the oman said,

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<v Speaker 4>don't go outside, there's something near the woods tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I hear him knocking, shaking bushits.

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<v Speaker 4>Footprints, howland on my long Open up to an odyssey,

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<v Speaker 4>something in the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>I folks on, welcome my guest of the show. It

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<v Speaker 1>is Tom from Michigan. Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Sir, Oh, thank you, pleasure to meet your right.

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<v Speaker 2>I am glad to have you.

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 1>Think what guy you interested in the subject? To begin with,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll shay, I'm a child of the sixties.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where I was born. Going in the seventies, there

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<v Speaker 3>was a resurgence of interest in the whole Bigfoot phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 3>So as a child by just I hate that stuff

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<v Speaker 3>up every magazine, every book, or some horrible movies. Some

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<v Speaker 3>of the were good, most of them were not. Get

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<v Speaker 3>my parents to take me to those. They shot through them.

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<v Speaker 3>At least my dad did. My mom didn't want anything

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<v Speaker 3>to do with it. But as a child I had

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<v Speaker 3>this interest. Then I grew up, I went to college,

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<v Speaker 3>I got a job. Buried and also behind me went

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<v Speaker 3>to the White Side. Then my wife and I decided

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<v Speaker 3>that being married was the right thing for either of us,

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<v Speaker 3>and I got divorced. I thought, I have nothing old

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<v Speaker 3>of being back went on. I look up and see

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on in the Bigfoot community. I hit the

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<v Speaker 3>internet and I found this tiny little organization called the BFRO.

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<v Speaker 3>They had an expedition planned in my state, in northern Michigan,

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<v Speaker 3>and I thought, hey, here's an opportunity to get back

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<v Speaker 3>in and see what's going on, learn about what's going

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<v Speaker 3>on in the world of Bigfoot. I always had an

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<v Speaker 3>interest as a child, but as I got old, I thought,

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<v Speaker 3>here's an opportunity, let's get into it. That's where my

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<v Speaker 3>journey in the early two thousand started.

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<v Speaker 1>So I know you're here to talk about some experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>So why don't we just go back to your first experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Take us back to where you were, what you were doing,

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<v Speaker 1>and tell us what happened to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, thousand and eight, there's a town in the Upper Peninsula.

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<v Speaker 3>The largest town in the Upper Peninsula in Michigan call Marquette,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a fairly salivable college town in the heart

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<v Speaker 3>of the Upper Peninsula. You get that far out of

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<v Speaker 3>town and you're pretty much in the woods up there,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of forests, a lot of trees, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of swamps and rivers, very forested and being a part

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<v Speaker 3>of the thorn Is eighth And after I talked about

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<v Speaker 3>going on THISVFRO expedition after my divorce, after the first expedition,

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<v Speaker 3>I apparently was enthusiastic enough that they asked me to

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<v Speaker 3>become an investigator for that. So that's what it did.

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<v Speaker 3>In two thousand and eight, I and a group of

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<v Speaker 3>other investigators were doing it's a scouting party but the

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<v Speaker 3>BFRO at that time and I'm no longer a member,

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<v Speaker 3>but at that time and we used the BFRO would

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<v Speaker 3>go through reports, they'd look at data and they'd find

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<v Speaker 3>these places where activity was dam reported, where people were

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<v Speaker 3>telling them things were going on. So investigators would get

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<v Speaker 3>together and we do these private expeditions to scout these

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<v Speaker 3>places out and is there any activity going on? Is

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<v Speaker 3>there anything interesting? Would this make a good sight a

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<v Speaker 3>scouting act? I was one of the people who had

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<v Speaker 3>that probably travel the farthest to get there. Maybe not

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<v Speaker 3>the farthest, but one of the farthests. I had to

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<v Speaker 3>work that day. I lived in northern Lawer, Michigan. This

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<v Speaker 3>was about as six hour drive to get to the

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<v Speaker 3>camping location in the scouting location. Got out of work

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<v Speaker 3>later than I expected. I packed my stuff up and

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<v Speaker 3>I headed up along the way. But it's getting later,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a long drive. I don't know if you've

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<v Speaker 3>ever been to the Upper Peninsula, Michigan, but there are

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<v Speaker 3>miles and miles of nothing. Caffeine is the order of

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<v Speaker 3>the day. Drank a large amount of caffeine on my

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<v Speaker 3>trip on the way there. Even then, I got there

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<v Speaker 3>way later than everybody else. You know, I'd hoped to

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<v Speaker 3>get there leave worker only get there before dark. I

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<v Speaker 3>got there well after dark, knowing that location a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit already. I knew where the main campsite was, but

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<v Speaker 3>I decided that I would instead pull off into another location,

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<v Speaker 3>an apple orchard on that same road, and this is

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<v Speaker 3>a dirt road. I pulled off into the apple orchard

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<v Speaker 3>that might have been a mile from the main campsite,

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<v Speaker 3>and I thought I'll just I'll sleep in my car tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what I did as a little supers. They're

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<v Speaker 3>not that comfortable if you're sleeping in the driver's seat.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was a long work day in a long drive.

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<v Speaker 3>But going back to all that caffeinated beverage I drank

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of more than once during the night. Like

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<v Speaker 3>it's a book kip there and we're talking about dark

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<v Speaker 3>skys where this that you know, market of miles and

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<v Speaker 3>mouths from where this location is at. There's nothing but

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<v Speaker 3>dark skies there. You look up to see the stars.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just gorgeous. Is quiet. One of the times I

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<v Speaker 3>got up to wrote weave my shelf, I could hear

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<v Speaker 3>something large making noises down in the apple orchard. You

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<v Speaker 3>could hear something walking, could hear making noises, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I heard something shaking on an apple tree. It shook

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<v Speaker 3>it so hard. It was just you could just sounded

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<v Speaker 3>like a rainfall of apples coming out of the tree,

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<v Speaker 3>falling out of the tree. It was scary because just

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<v Speaker 3>the power that it would take to do what was

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<v Speaker 3>happening there. So finished to my business as quickly as

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<v Speaker 3>they could, and I quickly got back into the shoebrew

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<v Speaker 3>because we all know the third shave cars. Although it

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<v Speaker 3>was quite experience, I was still tired, even though with

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<v Speaker 3>the caffeine it doesn't affect like normal people because but

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<v Speaker 3>I did fall asleep, and then before dawn I woke up,

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<v Speaker 3>but I couldn't move parallous of sorts, and so I

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<v Speaker 3>would say, let's sleep paraos and hopefully we'll have an

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to talk about that as we get into my

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<v Speaker 3>other encounters. But basically I was in the driver's seat

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<v Speaker 3>looking back. I was awake, but I couldn't move, but

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't see enough of the driver's side window that

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<v Speaker 3>a creature walked past and it bent down and it

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<v Speaker 3>looked in the car while I was there unable to move,

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<v Speaker 3>and looked at me walking and it was gone. It

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<v Speaker 3>only lasted a couple of seconds, but I clearly shot

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<v Speaker 3>and then the parrels went away, so I quickly got

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<v Speaker 3>out of the car. Was still pre dawned, but like

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<v Speaker 3>I said, the dark sky's there. You can see the

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<v Speaker 3>by the star of any moonlight, so it was bright enough.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't see anything at that point, and it was gone,

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<v Speaker 3>very interesting, very disturbing. I would say, what I show

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<v Speaker 3>all was very similar to what Patterson Ginlan movie, very

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<v Speaker 3>stereotypical looking fast flatch. When I looked, there's an artist,

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<v Speaker 3>Sibylla Irwin. I found some of her sketches after the fact,

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<v Speaker 3>and I found one that was incredibly similar to what

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<v Speaker 3>I saw. Some of her stuff. It's based on eyewindness reports,

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<v Speaker 3>and she's an excellent sketch artist. Clearly, it was a creature,

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<v Speaker 3>not a bear. I do have a degree in biology,

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<v Speaker 3>and that didn't know the Michigan my whole life. I

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<v Speaker 3>know a paper when I see one, and this wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>a bear. Pretty frightening. That is my class A. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know that. I wouldn't say that I've ever had

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<v Speaker 3>anything other than that as a class A, but I've

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<v Speaker 3>had a few other experiences. We will hopefully have an

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to talk about this during this conversation that was

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and eight ten. Because it's such a fun area,

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<v Speaker 3>this area south of Markette a few miles, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>drive to get there busy. You have to go to

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<v Speaker 3>Markette if you want to get a sandwich shirt thing.

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<v Speaker 3>If you don't bring food, we would make that drive.

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<v Speaker 3>But a couple of years later, several of the investigators decided,

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<v Speaker 3>let's go back. Such an intriguing site because other people

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<v Speaker 3>had experiences in that area as well, half eaten screws

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<v Speaker 3>thrown at them from the woods, things like that, just

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<v Speaker 3>weird stuff. This was yet another time there. I had

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<v Speaker 3>a very large tree just laid down in front of

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<v Speaker 3>my tent while we were out on maneuvers. So very

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<v Speaker 3>exciting place. But in twenty ten I decided to have

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<v Speaker 3>another expedition there. I brought a friend with me, the

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<v Speaker 3>friend who's a skeptic. At that time he was a skeptic.

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<v Speaker 3>I decided he enjoys camping too, so let's go camp.

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<v Speaker 3>The main group decided that they would camp out it

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<v Speaker 3>at the same base camp that I had not gone

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<v Speaker 3>to for that first event. I instead said Patrick, I

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<v Speaker 3>had this great site. It's a wave from the other folks.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be really quiet and peaceful. Let's had

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<v Speaker 3>Apple or try when I have my Class A sighting.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a turnaround off the road a little bit not

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<v Speaker 3>far off the main dirt road. If you go further in,

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<v Speaker 3>you can drive down a little slope into the apple

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<v Speaker 3>orchard itself, and I said, let's drive down there. Those

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<v Speaker 3>people they're going to be boring and they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be doing stuffed out at May Camp. What's got this quiet?

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<v Speaker 3>A little place near a apple orchard, I know, So

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<v Speaker 3>we did. During the night, while we were sleeping, I

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<v Speaker 3>woke up and again I couldn't move. I was paralyzed again,

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<v Speaker 3>which was it's a very disturbing thing to have happened

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<v Speaker 3>to you. Again. A lot of people said you were

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<v Speaker 3>just having some sort of sleep proalysis, which it has

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<v Speaker 3>the characteristics of that, except I've never had sleep paralysis

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<v Speaker 3>in my life other than the prow that happened there.

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<v Speaker 3>At that time, I woke up in Might, sleeping back.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't move, I couldn't hear anything. It was very quiet,

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<v Speaker 3>very peaceful, but I couldn't move. And then suddenly this

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<v Speaker 3>feeling of calmness, relief, everything's going to be wonderful came

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<v Speaker 3>over me and I said, all asleep, like a serotonin

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<v Speaker 3>release of south short some sort of brain chemical saying

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<v Speaker 3>everything's going to be fine. I go back to sleep,

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<v Speaker 3>and I did. The next day, we went to Bay

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<v Speaker 3>what happened to me. But we finished up our breakfasts,

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<v Speaker 3>he told me the same thing happened to me last night.

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<v Speaker 3>So very interesting, very interesting phenomena, very different after the

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<v Speaker 3>fact other people that I knew. We left a friend

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<v Speaker 3>he later related to me the same thing happened to him.

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<v Speaker 3>of behaviors that I do, one that I won't camp anymore,

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<v Speaker 3>among other things. It's scared me that much. So we

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<v Speaker 3>were again. It was a scouting expedition of investigators and

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<v Speaker 3>We got there. We did night maneuvers, one of the

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<v Speaker 3>in activity. We got maneuvers or patrol or whatever. Basically,

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<v Speaker 3>the woods seeing what you d wrestle up. Sometimes you knock,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes you vocalize that sort of thing. That evening, I

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<v Speaker 3>some howling. I do okay with it. I was able

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<v Speaker 3>type sounds. Did that number of times at one time.

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<v Speaker 3>I did that towards the end last we were heading

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<v Speaker 3>that camp. It kicked up quite a reaction from a

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<v Speaker 3>group of kios packs for short. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>you've been in the woods, when the coyos, they get excited,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was really close. It was really loud. It

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<v Speaker 3>was pretty impressive. That was towards the end. We got

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<v Speaker 3>back to our camp. We sat around the campfire a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit and it started to rain. It over seems

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<v Speaker 3>to rain when I camp. But what we did is

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<v Speaker 3>we all went to our separate tense and the two

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<v Speaker 3>other investigators. They were run one side of the camp.

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<v Speaker 3>I was on the other side. I would say seventy

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<v Speaker 3>five to one hundred feet separating us. I camped separately.

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<v Speaker 3>I laid down in the tent. There's an interesting thing

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<v Speaker 3>interested in because it's relatively inexpensive and you can collection

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<v Speaker 3>really interesting data. Is audio recording by I staid up

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<v Speaker 3>my audio recorder. It was a nice O Libus PCM

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<v Speaker 3>digital recorder. I could run nearly a whole night. Why

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<v Speaker 3>I shut that up. I had a stereo was set

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<v Speaker 3>up with two mics going into it, and I hung

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<v Speaker 3>it from the top of my tent and I went

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<v Speaker 3>to sleep. It rained very hard, Like I said, you

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<v Speaker 3>started raining, but it rained very hard, like torrential downfall

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<v Speaker 3>type rain all night. In the morning, towards morning, it stopped.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sleeping and suddenly I wake and I can't move,

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<v Speaker 3>the same paralysis that we described previously. I couldn't move.

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<v Speaker 3>It was different than the other times. It laughed. In

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<v Speaker 3>like seven minutes. I fought it. If I struggled, I

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<v Speaker 3>tried to yell for help. I could move a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>You could try to move my feet a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>I was yelling for all like I should have lasted

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<v Speaker 3>for about seven minutes, and then there was a knock

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<v Speaker 3>up the hill from where my tent was, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was released. I could move again. I didn't move. I

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<v Speaker 3>decided moving would not be a good idea right now,

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<v Speaker 3>this was right around dawn. Unlike the last time near Marquette.

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<v Speaker 3>When this event was over, I didn't have that feeling

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<v Speaker 3>before it. It didn't I feel like serotonin had been released.

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<v Speaker 3>I was still terrorized there, still felt helpless, and I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to be there that sort of thing. So

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<v Speaker 3>I have a couple of theories, and they're only theories.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't really say why it happened the way it

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<v Speaker 3>did or what was going on. But I felt like

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<v Speaker 3>we were tracing around in their backyard and they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want us there. I felt a message was delivered. The

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<v Speaker 3>message was don't come around here no more. After the fact,

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<v Speaker 3>I listened to the recording so and I captured the event,

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<v Speaker 3>the whole event of me being paralyzed, me trying to

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<v Speaker 3>yell for help. It comes. I was more like very disturbing.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like to listen to it. A lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people don't like to listen to it. You can hear

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<v Speaker 3>it if you listen to the recording, and it's a

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<v Speaker 3>high quality recording. It was a very good digital recorder.

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<v Speaker 3>Even though you can hear the rain drops hitting the tent,

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<v Speaker 3>it stopped raining, but the very wooded though that we

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<v Speaker 3>and the needles are still wet, and that they're dripping

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<v Speaker 3>and hitting the tent. Believe, if you listened closely enough

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<v Speaker 3>to the richl the hat set, you can hear a

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<v Speaker 3>twig snap, like something stepped on a twig outside of

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<v Speaker 3>my tent. That's right around the time that I can't paralyze,

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<v Speaker 3>and you can cheer during during that event, and you

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<v Speaker 3>hear me struggling as best I can, although I can

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<v Speaker 3>barely move, and trying to offer help all of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I can barely speak. And at the end of the recording,

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<v Speaker 3>you can hear what sounds like a wood knock or

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<v Speaker 3>a tree branch snap or something up the hill. That

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<v Speaker 3>was the end. No euphoria, no serotonin release, nothing, just

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<v Speaker 3>we don't want you here.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we go any further, I want to break in

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<v Speaker 1>here in the post edit and share with you the

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<v Speaker 1>clip that Tom was referring to, where he describes the

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<v Speaker 1>terrifying sensation of being paralyzed inside his tent, unable to

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<v Speaker 1>move as strange and unexplained sounds echoed around him. This

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<v Speaker 1>recording is approximately seven minutes long, and I highly recommend

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<v Speaker 1>listening with headphones to fully immerse yourself in the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>Pay close attention. You may even catch the distinct wood

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<v Speaker 1>knocks and snapping sounds that Tom later recounted. As Tom

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<v Speaker 1>himself warned, some listeners may find this audio unsettling, so

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<v Speaker 1>listener discretion is strongly advised. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch

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<v Speaker 1>out to see We'll be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 3>main experiences in the Sas squats realm Ditleased. Among the

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<v Speaker 3>people that I have always associated with and discussed this with,

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<v Speaker 3>we call dansapp. I think it's a pretty common term.

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<v Speaker 3>I've talked to other people who have had similar experiences.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, I had a friend who camped after

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<v Speaker 3>the fact in the Apple Orchard experience the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I've talked to people who've described not being able to move,

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<v Speaker 3>but they could feel waves going over their body while

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<v Speaker 3>they're laying morseless. So one of the theories is that

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<v Speaker 3>these creatures can emit some sort of infrasound. Large creatures, elephants,

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<v Speaker 3>tigers have the ability to emit low frequency sounds ten

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<v Speaker 3>hurts or less. Whether or not that's what's happening, it's

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<v Speaker 3>hard to say. But the one guy that I talked to,

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<v Speaker 3>it certainly sounded like a low frequency something or other

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<v Speaker 3>was washing over him while he was paralyzed. Some people

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<v Speaker 3>described just hey, I feel like I'm being watched. Some

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<v Speaker 3>people discuss sudden fear coming over them for no reason.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw one investigator I was walking with fall to

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<v Speaker 3>the knees during a night maneuver. It's just a very

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<v Speaker 3>odd phenomenon. Those are the things that happened to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I've conducted countless interviews over the years with people just

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<v Speaker 1>like Tom who make of paralysis and other strange symptoms

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<v Speaker 1>while outlooking for sasquatch. Many like Tom, speculate that these

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<v Speaker 1>creatures may be using infrasound. But what is infrasound and

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<v Speaker 1>what animals use it and why? Well, I thought I

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<v Speaker 1>before we move on infrasound refers to sound waves that

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<v Speaker 1>occur at frequencies lower than twenty hertz, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>lower limit of human hearing. These low frequency sounds are

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<v Speaker 1>characterized by their long wavelengths, which allow them to travel

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<v Speaker 1>great distances and penetrate through various obstacles like trees, walls, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Infrasound can be naturally occurring, generated by earthquakes, ocean waves,

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<v Speaker 1>and volcanic activity. It can also be artificially created by machines, explosions,

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<v Speaker 1>or even some experimental weapons. But perhaps the most fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of infrasound is its use by certain animals to communicate, hunt,

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<v Speaker 1>and even incapacitate their prey. Despite being imperceptible to the

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<v Speaker 1>human ear, infrasound can have significant physiological and psychological effects.

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<v Speaker 1>People exposed to strong infrasound frequencies have reported feelings of unease, dizziness, nausea,

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<v Speaker 1>and even hallucinations. Some studies suggest that prolonged exposure to

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<v Speaker 1>infrasound may trigger anxiety or paranoia, making it a topic

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<v Speaker 1>of interest in psychological and paranormal research. This property of

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<v Speaker 1>infrasound has led to speculation that it could be used

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<v Speaker 1>as a biological tool by some animals and possibly even

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<v Speaker 1>cryptids like the sasquatch. Several large animals have evolved to

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<v Speaker 1>utilize infrasound as a means of communication, navigation, or even

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<v Speaker 1>as a possible weapon against prayer threats. Elephants are one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most well documented users of infrasound. African and

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<v Speaker 1>Asian elephants communicate over vast distances using infrasound frequencies as

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<v Speaker 1>low as five herts. Elephants emit low frequency rumbles that

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<v Speaker 1>track for miles, allowing distant herds to coordinate movements, worn

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<v Speaker 1>of dangers, and even find mates. These sounds can travel

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<v Speaker 1>through the ground as vibrations, which elephants can detect using

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<v Speaker 1>the sensitive nerves in their feet. During migrations, elephants use

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<v Speaker 1>infrasound to keep their herd together, especially in dense forests

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<v Speaker 1>where visual contact is difficult. Some researchers believe elephants may

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<v Speaker 1>use infrasound to deter predators or signal distress. Tigers are

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<v Speaker 1>another animal known to produce infrasound. Their roars contain frequencies

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<v Speaker 1>as low as eighteen herds, which can cause feelings of

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<v Speaker 1>paralysis and fear in prey animals and possibly even humans.

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<v Speaker 1>A tiger's infrasound enhanced roar can temporarily disorient prey, making

419
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<v Speaker 1>it easier to subdue them. Some zookeepers have reported feeling

420
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<v Speaker 1>vibrations in their chest when a tiger roars near them.

421
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<v Speaker 1>Tigers also use infrasound to mark their presence in an area,

422
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<v Speaker 1>warning other predators to stay. Some theories suggest that tigers

423
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>may be able to direct infrasound in a more focused manner,

424
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<v Speaker 1>especially in dense environments like forests, where sound waves can

425
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>reflect off trees and create an amplifying effect. Many whale species,

426
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<v Speaker 1>particularly blue whales, communicate using infrasound frequencies that can travel

427
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:25.200
<v Speaker 1>across entire ocean basins. Infrasound allows whales to communicate over

428
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:29.680
<v Speaker 1>thousands of miles. Some marine biologists believe whales may use

429
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:33.519
<v Speaker 1>infrasound to map their surroundings by bouncing sound waves off

430
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>the ocean floor. In theory, yes, some animals, like tigers,

431
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.480
<v Speaker 1>may have a limited ability to focus their infrasound waves,

432
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<v Speaker 1>especially in enclosed environments like dense forests or caves, where

433
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<v Speaker 1>sound waves can bounce off surfaces and amplify their effects. However,

434
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:55.079
<v Speaker 1>infrasound is typically omnidirectional, meaning it spreads out rather than

435
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>forming a concentrated beam. This means that while infrasound can

436
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<v Speaker 1>have powerful effects, it is unlikely to be used as

437
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>a precision weapon in a tight space. Instead, it would

438
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 1>more likely create a general feeling of unease or disorientation

439
00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>in a confined environment. In contrast, focused sound waves like

440
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>ultrasound can be concentrated into a beam, but this is

441
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:23.599
<v Speaker 1>an entirely different mechanism. Sasquatch is often described as an elusive,

442
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:27.759
<v Speaker 1>large primate like creature reported in various parts of North America.

443
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:33.319
<v Speaker 1>While scientific evidence for its existence remains unverified, some anecdotal

444
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:38.000
<v Speaker 1>reports suggest that witnesses experience strange physiological effects in its presence,

445
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:43.079
<v Speaker 1>including a sense of being watched or stalked, sudden waves

446
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>of fear or panic without visible cause, temporary dizziness or nausea.

447
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>If sasquatch were to exist and use.

448
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Infrasound, it would not be unique among animals, but it

449
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<v Speaker 1>would be quite unusual for a primate. No known primates,

450
00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:02.319
<v Speaker 1>including great apes like gorillas or chimpanzees, produce infrasound. If

451
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.319
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch could generate infrasound, it would suggest a level of

452
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:09.480
<v Speaker 1>vocal capability or chest resonance significantly different from that of

453
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:10.519
<v Speaker 1>known primates.

454
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<v Speaker 3>Since the inside event near Kenson, I won't keep what's campanymore.

455
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.400
<v Speaker 3>It was be frightening, and I sometimes wonder if I

456
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<v Speaker 3>had been there by myself, if I would have become

457
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<v Speaker 3>less statistic.

458
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a scary thing to think about. This is

459
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:26.119
<v Speaker 2>something that's come up over and over.

460
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I've probably done a thousand interviews at this point, between

461
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:33.119
<v Speaker 1>the show and meeting people at conferences and doing speaking

462
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>engagements and those kind of things. It comes up often

463
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>with people having this experience where they think they have

464
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>been zapped or they've experienced infrasound. It's interesting to me.

465
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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the things. I love this phenomenon because

466
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.839
<v Speaker 1>I go in so many different directions. I'm a big

467
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:52.799
<v Speaker 1>audio guy. Obviously, I love audio. I deal with audio

468
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.319
<v Speaker 1>as a content creator all the time. I just announced

469
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:58.319
<v Speaker 1>it recently. I'm actually going up to Ron Moorhead's house

470
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>on the twenty fifth of the month. Ron is going

471
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.640
<v Speaker 1>to play some of these unreleased sounds. Because I've always

472
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.799
<v Speaker 1>been fascinated with the Sierra sounds and things that people

473
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.079
<v Speaker 1>can hear. I've heard vocalizations. That's what started everything here

474
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.720
<v Speaker 1>on our property in North Carolina for us was hearing

475
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 1>vocalizations first. Then there was gifting that it's progressed from there.

476
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:20.119
<v Speaker 1>I heard what sounded like samurai chatter when I was

477
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:24.079
<v Speaker 1>up in RADIUMBC back in twenty twenty three. Ideo has

478
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.039
<v Speaker 1>always been this fascination for me, But infrasound is one

479
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.200
<v Speaker 1>of those things that you can't record. Infrasound, you can't

480
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>hear it. It's only the person who experiences it. Abe

481
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>del Rio comes to mind. Abe was out on expedition

482
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.759
<v Speaker 1>with some other folks. He was the biggest guy in

483
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:44.039
<v Speaker 1>the group. He's a pretty imposing figure right the threat

484
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.319
<v Speaker 1>he's the threat figure, and he was completely crippled. And

485
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:52.119
<v Speaker 1>nobody else experienced anything like Abe experience during that moment.

486
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.799
<v Speaker 1>So it seems to be very directed, at least in

487
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>most of the cases that I've documented, it's a very

488
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.119
<v Speaker 1>directed thing that one person versus other peoples. Let's crack

489
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.319
<v Speaker 1>this open and get into some of your theories about infrasound.

490
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Because you mentioned lions, you mentioned tigers, you mentioned elephants,

491
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:16.319
<v Speaker 1>some of these bigger animals have the ability to emit infrasound,

492
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.519
<v Speaker 1>but that would be a unique thing amongst primates. That's

493
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.119
<v Speaker 1>a whole nother ball of wax. Whether these things are

494
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:26.720
<v Speaker 1>possibly primates, people think they're closer to human beings, but

495
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:31.359
<v Speaker 1>ultimately I feel they're some sort of a primate. That

496
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:34.279
<v Speaker 1>would be something that's very unique to primates. As far

497
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.279
<v Speaker 1>as my understanding, do you have theories about Do you

498
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>think it's straight up infrasound? Do you think it's some

499
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:41.759
<v Speaker 1>other kind of ability that these things have. What are

500
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:46.119
<v Speaker 1>your theories on what you experienced versus Again, that's the

501
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>common thing for skeptics to go to is to say, oh,

502
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.039
<v Speaker 1>you're experiencing sleep paralysis.

503
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:51.680
<v Speaker 3>That's what it was.

504
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.519
<v Speaker 2>So what are your theories on one versus the other?

505
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:57.799
<v Speaker 2>And what do you think you ultimately experienced?

506
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<v Speaker 3>Well, I always thought sound was likely the best candidate

507
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:05.119
<v Speaker 3>because it's something that we already know occurs in nature

508
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:07.480
<v Speaker 3>among other mammals. We know that they are mammals who

509
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.720
<v Speaker 3>can emit. The thing that's very confusing for me, and

510
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:12.960
<v Speaker 3>one of the things that makes me wonder if it's

511
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:16.440
<v Speaker 3>something else, is low frequency sound is non directional. It

512
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:19.240
<v Speaker 3>goes everywhere. It's hard for it to be directional, but

513
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:21.720
<v Speaker 3>I too have experienced where like I said, the one

514
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:25.640
<v Speaker 3>guy stumbled to his knees. He was just ten feet

515
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:27.400
<v Speaker 3>away from me when he went to his knees, and

516
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:29.680
<v Speaker 3>I didn't hear anything at that time. He was the

517
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.119
<v Speaker 3>bigger of the two of us on that walk, so

518
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.240
<v Speaker 3>he was in my mind he was the threat figure

519
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.000
<v Speaker 3>to them, the one that they wanted to get the

520
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:39.680
<v Speaker 3>message to. It is very interesting if it is infrasound

521
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:42.400
<v Speaker 3>one like we talked about, you and I don't. We

522
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.960
<v Speaker 3>can't afford the equipment record that sort of thing. We

523
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 3>can't afford the equipment to collect reasonable data, and the

524
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 3>people who can are putting it towards a big perch.

525
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:56.960
<v Speaker 3>I think it's the best option. When we talk about elephants,

526
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:58.920
<v Speaker 3>they're not predators, but I think they can use it

527
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.920
<v Speaker 3>for a long distance. A very intelligent animal, they probably

528
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.839
<v Speaker 3>use it communication. But when we talk about predators, if

529
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:08.599
<v Speaker 3>a predator can have some sort of tool that makes

530
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.519
<v Speaker 3>hunting just a little bit easier to startle a prey

531
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:14.840
<v Speaker 3>animal some sort, it seems like it's a reasonable tool.

532
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:17.920
<v Speaker 3>When I think about a saslatch, it's a very large animal.

533
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:21.440
<v Speaker 3>It needs a lot of calories. If they adapted or evolved,

534
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm an aper. If they evolved, one there are a

535
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:27.599
<v Speaker 3>large enough animal, they have the lung capacity, they would

536
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.679
<v Speaker 3>be a candidate for being able to emit or produce

537
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:33.000
<v Speaker 3>some sort of infra sound. If they can use that

538
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:37.280
<v Speaker 3>as part of their predation activity. I think that it

539
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 3>becomes very beneficial to them. Why burn all of your

540
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:42.559
<v Speaker 3>calories chasing deer if all you have to do is

541
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.719
<v Speaker 3>sneak up on them and paralyze them with some sort

542
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:47.400
<v Speaker 3>of infra sound, then you just you walk up and

543
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:50.119
<v Speaker 3>beat them down, you twist their neck or whatever. You

544
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:51.800
<v Speaker 3>don't have to run as fast as as a deer

545
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:56.360
<v Speaker 3>for any distance. It becomes very calorie efficient if you've

546
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.559
<v Speaker 3>got this technique. Is the different sound. I can't think

547
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.960
<v Speaker 3>of anything other than like electric gals. I can't think

548
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:05.599
<v Speaker 3>of any manvels that can produce an electrical charge that

549
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.559
<v Speaker 3>would interrupt your brain activity, and for sound is the

550
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 3>best candidate.

551
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:13.440
<v Speaker 1>And stay tuned for more sasquatch otyesy, we'll be right

552
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:15.000
<v Speaker 1>back after these messages.

553
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:22.840
<v Speaker 3>I think too that if it does indeed as a

554
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:27.519
<v Speaker 3>physiological capability, they use it, probably more frequently than people realize,

555
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.639
<v Speaker 3>investigate people that are camping. It'd be the perfect tool

556
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:32.840
<v Speaker 3>if you want to walk into somebody's campsite in the

557
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:35.800
<v Speaker 3>woods without disturbing them, if you can paralyze them and

558
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.280
<v Speaker 3>keep them from waking up. I wake up very easily.

559
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:41.639
<v Speaker 3>I've got cats. I can hear a cad vomiting from

560
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:43.760
<v Speaker 3>a dead sweep to a cad vomiting on the other

561
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.840
<v Speaker 3>side of the room like that. I think a lot

562
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 3>of people don't wake up, and this is all theory.

563
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 3>I can't prove any of this. But if these creatures

564
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:56.239
<v Speaker 3>want to investigate campers or campsites, come in at three

565
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:58.559
<v Speaker 3>four am when people are already deep asleep and use

566
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.119
<v Speaker 3>that to make that they don't wake up so that

567
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:03.840
<v Speaker 3>they can investigate, maybe go through the core, whatever they

568
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:07.400
<v Speaker 3>want to do. Interesting, I believe less Stroud he did

569
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 3>a fast Watch series, if you'd ever had a chance

570
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.079
<v Speaker 3>to listen to those, and he was involved. He did

571
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:16.000
<v Speaker 3>some word with Todd as well, and in one of

572
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 3>his videos where he's camping by himself, I think he

573
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 3>goes to a higher elevation into some foothills or even

574
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 3>mountainous area by himself. He's camping, he said, during the

575
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.519
<v Speaker 3>middle of the night, and this weird dream and it

576
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.519
<v Speaker 3>felt like something was sitting on my chest. And right

577
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:36.519
<v Speaker 3>away I'm thinking, I think maybe whatever happened to me

578
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 3>was happening to him and he didn't wake up. It's

579
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:42.679
<v Speaker 3>these things that really piqued my interest and made me

580
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.920
<v Speaker 3>at least tractually that they come around human's more frequent

581
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.119
<v Speaker 3>than we think in the middle of the woods, and

582
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.719
<v Speaker 3>the humans are in a state where they can't wake

583
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.000
<v Speaker 3>up and they don't know what's going on because of this,

584
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.119
<v Speaker 3>and I'm trying to find it again, which is very interesting.

585
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:01.239
<v Speaker 3>I read some sort of Native American story at what

586
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 3>point where they described some Native Americans were having some

587
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.320
<v Speaker 3>sort of feud with these they called them the red

588
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.719
<v Speaker 3>haired giants. Some of the Native Americans would described waking

589
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:12.639
<v Speaker 3>up they would both think them. They would wake up

590
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.519
<v Speaker 3>not in their camp, not in their home. They would

591
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:17.800
<v Speaker 3>wake up somewhere else, not knowing where they were at.

592
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:21.719
<v Speaker 3>Were they fat, were they paralyzed, were they picked up

593
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.559
<v Speaker 3>and hauled off? I don't know. It's a very intrigning story. Again,

594
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:27.719
<v Speaker 3>those stories, they're not documented, their hand down. What you

595
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.360
<v Speaker 3>read on the Internet, a lot of it's whoy you

596
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:33.239
<v Speaker 3>us never know, but there are these scraps of stories

597
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.599
<v Speaker 3>and tales about the sort of phenomenon that are really

598
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.719
<v Speaker 3>hard to explain. I don't know if I got into

599
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.840
<v Speaker 3>my theories so deeply enough or fine so like I'm

600
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:42.920
<v Speaker 3>a ranting kook.

601
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 2>But no, no, not at all. Let's actually shared that story.

602
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:49.320
<v Speaker 1>The first time I had him on the podcast, probably

603
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 1>three years ago, he shared that story about feeling like

604
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.199
<v Speaker 1>something was sitting on him while he was in the

605
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:58.440
<v Speaker 1>sleeping bag. We're going out an expedition together later this year,

606
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.280
<v Speaker 1>probably September October. I'm definitely going to ask him about

607
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:03.840
<v Speaker 1>that when we hang out, get some further details, because

608
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<v Speaker 1>I never considered the fact that it might have been

609
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:10.280
<v Speaker 1>some sort of an infrasound situation.

610
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:10.480
<v Speaker 2>That he was in.

611
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Very much like you said, maybe he was being bombarded

612
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.599
<v Speaker 1>with infrasound and wasn't able to wake up. He's had

613
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.400
<v Speaker 1>a couple of mind speak things. We're going to get

614
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.599
<v Speaker 1>a little deeper and talk a little bit about that

615
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:21.519
<v Speaker 1>while we're hanging out.

616
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:22.199
<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this.

617
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.639
<v Speaker 1>This is one of the things that surprised me about

618
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:26.760
<v Speaker 1>the BFRO. I know tons of folks that are in

619
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:30.840
<v Speaker 1>the BFRO, laur Wade, I know Rick Rayless, I've had

620
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.400
<v Speaker 1>on the podcast in the past. Matt Moneymaker obviously probably

621
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>the most famous Bigfoot in the BFRO because he started it.

622
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:41.599
<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing that stuck out to me, particularly

623
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:44.800
<v Speaker 1>having conversations with folks like Rick and Lorie Wade, is

624
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:48.320
<v Speaker 1>people think, or at least I thought, I'll stick to me.

625
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<v Speaker 1>I thought the BFRO was more of an apor type

626
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.639
<v Speaker 1>organization where people were pretty much flesh and blood. They

627
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<v Speaker 1>went about it at a certain way. But that's not

628
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<v Speaker 1>entirely at curate, because I know Laurie has had some

629
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<v Speaker 1>really weird situations happened to her that she can't explain

630
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<v Speaker 1>that would be far beyond, in my opinion, a flesh

631
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:10.760
<v Speaker 1>and blood creature. Same thing with Rick and some other

632
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:14.519
<v Speaker 1>folks that have experienced things. Have you had anything that

633
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>stuck out to you as beyond outside of obviously infrasam,

634
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<v Speaker 1>which is we know it happens in other mammals, So

635
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that's not something that really sticks out to me. Did

636
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<v Speaker 1>you find that during your time in the BFRO that

637
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<v Speaker 1>there were more strange and weird occurrences that people were

638
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:34.800
<v Speaker 1>dealing with when they were out looking for bigfoot, and

639
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<v Speaker 1>if so, how did you deal with that as a

640
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<v Speaker 1>researcher and investigator, How did you check those boxes and

641
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<v Speaker 1>where did you file that away in your research.

642
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<v Speaker 3>That's a good question, and I was at a BRFRO

643
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:49.519
<v Speaker 3>trying to think I've been out of the BFO maybe

644
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.920
<v Speaker 3>ten or twelve years. It's been a little while, maybe fifteen.

645
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Speaker 3>The years go by, we were very aproback then. We

646
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.400
<v Speaker 3>had the apers lose with my background, my degree is biology,

647
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:03.000
<v Speaker 3>been in aper. Other than for sound, I never saw

648
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<v Speaker 3>orgs or lights or anything like that. I never had

649
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.960
<v Speaker 3>any sort of mind speaker anything. But I talked with people,

650
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<v Speaker 3>not just investigators, but they talked about attendees. Because the

651
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 3>expeditions are the larger expeditions, you have the non investigators,

652
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:19.440
<v Speaker 3>so it's part of the process. You bring them into

653
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<v Speaker 3>the woods. We tried to get some activity to happen,

654
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:23.519
<v Speaker 3>and they had things happen to them that were a

655
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.000
<v Speaker 3>little bit more difficult to explain in the back chat channels.

656
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<v Speaker 3>At least at the time we had our separate emails

657
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<v Speaker 3>going having the invert investigation conversations going on. There were

658
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:35.960
<v Speaker 3>always the WU and the apes. There are a lot

659
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<v Speaker 3>of divides between believes sets, but there are things that

660
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<v Speaker 3>happened that that are still difficult to explain in that

661
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<v Speaker 3>very same apple orchard. At other times we had people

662
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<v Speaker 3>say that they saw blue lights while they were there

663
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:51.039
<v Speaker 3>when I wasn't there, and they were there because we

664
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<v Speaker 3>used that site a number of times because it was

665
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.239
<v Speaker 3>so exciting, we would put other people there. We did

666
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<v Speaker 3>one maneuver where we sluck a person into a tent

667
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:02.079
<v Speaker 3>in the apple. Well, you all clustered up, walked to

668
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:05.000
<v Speaker 3>the tent flexione in we're trying to fool somebody, and

669
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:06.760
<v Speaker 3>then we all took off and left that person in

670
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.159
<v Speaker 3>the tent by herself, probably one of the bravest. Actually.

671
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<v Speaker 3>First she described some things that happened when she was

672
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:16.440
<v Speaker 3>in there by herself that were a little odd, including

673
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:19.159
<v Speaker 3>some blue lines and things like that. But I never

674
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.400
<v Speaker 3>saw things like that. I don't want to being an aber.

675
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:24.559
<v Speaker 3>I still want to keep an open mind about what

676
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.079
<v Speaker 3>other people have experienced and go from there.

677
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<v Speaker 1>I've been on the fence about these things forever. I've

678
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 1>always been arrested in the subject. I was fifty to

679
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:36.000
<v Speaker 1>fifty on their existence until last year when I had

680
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.039
<v Speaker 1>my experiences where I actually got to.

681
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 2>See these things, so I know they're real.

682
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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

683
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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm on a different path. I am less about evidence, honestly,

684
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:50.719
<v Speaker 1>and more about what these things are. This is something

685
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.559
<v Speaker 1>I've just gotten into recently. I love Matt Preutz book

686
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:55.599
<v Speaker 1>The Phenomenal Sasquatch, and I was going back and reading

687
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 1>it yesterday. I'm reading one of John bender Nagl's books,

688
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:01.760
<v Speaker 1>The Discovery of the Sasquatch by On bender Nagel. I'm

689
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:03.800
<v Speaker 1>way beyond if they're real now I want to know

690
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:07.079
<v Speaker 1>what they are. I'm torn with a couple of different

691
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:13.679
<v Speaker 1>theories on my personal theories, some sort of leftover possibly relative.

692
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:17.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't think Gigantopithecus still exists. I think maybe some

693
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<v Speaker 1>sort of offshoot of Gigantopithecus, maybe some sort of australopithe scene.

694
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<v Speaker 2>So I have my theories.

695
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<v Speaker 1>Do you have or have you developed a theory as

696
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<v Speaker 1>a quote unquote ape or what do you think these

697
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<v Speaker 1>things might be. Do you think they're closer to some

698
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<v Speaker 1>sort of a great ape, maybe a Gigantopithecus, some sort

699
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:39.599
<v Speaker 1>of australopithe scene, or do you think they're closer related

700
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<v Speaker 1>to human.

701
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<v Speaker 2>Beings like some other folks do.

702
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<v Speaker 1>And frankly, some of the Native Americans First Nations people

703
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.239
<v Speaker 1>describe them as a people.

704
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<v Speaker 3>Just looking at the Paris and Gimlin film, and when

705
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:54.440
<v Speaker 3>we hear other people describe what they saw morphologically, they

706
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.920
<v Speaker 3>don't seem to be closer to humans than to judge

707
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:01.239
<v Speaker 3>an epithecus or other primates. They don't seem to be

708
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:04.280
<v Speaker 3>quite on the same tree as we are. They're different

709
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:09.159
<v Speaker 3>their math. When we look at human evolution in human history,

710
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:11.719
<v Speaker 3>we're larger now than we've ever been. When you look

711
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:14.159
<v Speaker 3>at arm length, that's a pretty common description, is their

712
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:16.679
<v Speaker 3>arms the way longer when you look at how the

713
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:19.920
<v Speaker 3>feet work in the Patterson Gibbon and I believe Patterson

714
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:23.519
<v Speaker 3>Gibbons shown is authentic despite all of the efforts to

715
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:27.679
<v Speaker 3>send it through software to make it look sharper. That

716
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:30.239
<v Speaker 3>only adds artifacts, that adds data that's not really there.

717
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.599
<v Speaker 3>But I think it's an outhetic. So when I look

718
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<v Speaker 3>at that, I don't see a human or a near

719
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:38.599
<v Speaker 3>human creature. I see something that evolved on a different

720
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:42.559
<v Speaker 3>part of the primate tree. Morphologically, it's just too different,

721
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.960
<v Speaker 3>and it's developed these things the whole question of eyeshine

722
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:48.599
<v Speaker 3>or eye glow, we don't have anything like that. But

723
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:50.800
<v Speaker 3>I've seen it, you know, I've seen those those lights.

724
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.480
<v Speaker 3>I've seen the red eyes. Those are the ones in

725
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 3>the darkness. Your eyes can see blue spots and stuff

726
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:58.679
<v Speaker 3>like that. But if you see glowing red out of

727
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:00.880
<v Speaker 3>the woods looking at you down at trut, we're seeing

728
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.440
<v Speaker 3>something that's destin. It's just too morphologically different than us

729
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:07.400
<v Speaker 3>for me to feel like it's any sort of human.

730
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<v Speaker 3>The Native Americans, as far as they are about the

731
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:13.719
<v Speaker 3>natural world at that time, they didn't know what a

732
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<v Speaker 3>chimpanzee was. All they knew was humans, and they saw

733
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:19.880
<v Speaker 3>a biped that was roughly the same shape as they

734
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.079
<v Speaker 3>were in their mind. That is that's my cousin or

735
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.920
<v Speaker 3>its offshoot of humans. That when we look at the

736
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<v Speaker 3>greater world and with the experience that we have in

737
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:29.920
<v Speaker 3>the modern era, we know that there are our primates

738
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:33.320
<v Speaker 3>out there with hands the posable thumbs that are not humans.

739
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<v Speaker 3>So that's my take on it.

740
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<v Speaker 1>It's all subjective, man. I appreciate you answering the question,

741
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:40.079
<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences.

742
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I've had a blast talking to you.

743
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my pleasure, glad to let to share my story.

744
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.199
<v Speaker 3>And I encourage people if you've had similar experiences, and

745
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:50.199
<v Speaker 3>you've been paralyzed or suddenly near in the woods and

746
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.719
<v Speaker 3>you follow your knees with fear for no reason, but

747
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:56.119
<v Speaker 3>people don't get your story out. The only way we

748
00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:59.360
<v Speaker 3>can build a more solid hypothesis or a theory of

749
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.719
<v Speaker 3>what's going on this if we collect data. And I

750
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:04.360
<v Speaker 3>really asked people to tell your stories. Tell what happened

751
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:06.360
<v Speaker 3>to you, don't what you've seen, what you saw when

752
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:07.039
<v Speaker 3>you heard.

753
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Very wise words my friend.

754
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<v Speaker 4>They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.

755
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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to feel.

756
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:24.039
<v Speaker 4>The world happened.

757
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<v Speaker 6>Joy, this job, chid, everything come.

758
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<v Speaker 4>Back, Joy for me, Joy, staying right, I'm coming Bright Wits.

759
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<v Speaker 6>Dons, side steps as side Still started to say start

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