Speaker 1: You are listening to Video Games to the Max. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to another edition of Video Games to the Max.
Speaker 1: Is this episode four hundred and twelve. I am your
Speaker 1: host Sean Germer, who with me is wow. First time
Speaker 1: a few weeks. Mark Morrison is back. Yep, glad to
Speaker 1: have you back, and we will be talking about games
Speaker 1: column twenty twenty four, like our best games that we
Speaker 1: saw announcements for some news coming out of that. Of course,
Speaker 1: you know Mark wasn't here for three weeks. We didn't.
Speaker 1: We this couldn't have happened aforehand. But poor Mark has
Speaker 1: to come back to talking about Xbox and the third
Speaker 1: party stuff again. We'll get to that with the one
Speaker 1: more thing being an Indiana Jones release date reveal. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's good or bad that that's how
Speaker 1: low we've got out into one more thing being in
Speaker 1: reveal for a release date on another console. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about Black with Wukong, the waves that game has been making,
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Speaker 1: So with that out of the way, Mark, how's your
Speaker 1: your time away?
Speaker 2: And here it was hellish? So I'm going on back home.
Speaker 1: Well that's good.
Speaker 2: All I had this for seeing. It was a tablet
Speaker 2: that you know you can't really do much on.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm guessing you didn't take your laptop, but you
Speaker 1: didn't think you were going to be there that long, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was going to be there for
Speaker 2: four days, not fourteen, So right, lesson learn take a
Speaker 2: laptop next time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Mark's also seen Deadpool Wolverine, so I'll
Speaker 1: finally get to talk about that with him. Maybe at
Speaker 1: the end of the episode. But did you watch anything
Speaker 1: from games Colm Opening Night Live.
Speaker 2: Or what's the first one? The main show?
Speaker 1: The main show?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, sign I thought the girl was pretty bad. Uh,
Speaker 2: the you know, the co host they can never go ho.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I mean, there are obviously hosts
Speaker 2: that exist or that exist. It's like, why can't you
Speaker 2: just tire one of those people?
Speaker 1: Like Oh, I mean, I think he just tries to
Speaker 1: get different people, you know, So it's not I mean,
Speaker 1: he could easily just probably get Sidney Goodman or one
Speaker 1: of the Andrew Rene or anybody, and one of the
Speaker 1: ones that he's had on there doing the pre show before.
Speaker 1: Even Kyle Boston did the pre show this year for
Speaker 1: games Com. You know, he could get any of those people.
Speaker 1: But I think he tries to give somebody else a
Speaker 1: chance because they're in the streamer community, which draws other eyes.
Speaker 1: I kind of get it, you know, but like you said,
Speaker 1: it doesn't always work.
Speaker 2: Out, right. I guess, uh, yeah, that doesn't you know. Okay,
Speaker 2: And I was saying, I mean a lot of the
Speaker 2: chefs didn't hit well for me. Uh, but yeah, what
Speaker 2: do you think?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Same here. I don't think that this was Look,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, Games Calm, Opening Night Live is in
Speaker 1: the third tier when it comes to the kili things, right,
Speaker 1: Game Awards is number one, and then Summer Game Fests
Speaker 1: it's kind of right up there because it's you know,
Speaker 1: replaced the E three, even though this kind of feels
Speaker 1: more like what E three used to be because you
Speaker 1: have like everybody going and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But and you have the show floor stuff afterwards as well, right,
Speaker 1: But as far as the actual like thing, this is
Speaker 1: kind of like the kickoff to that. And yes, a
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that is in here is kind
Speaker 1: of the bigger stuff that gets announced during that. This
Speaker 1: the whole three or four days, I think, once you
Speaker 1: find out that people have to like pay to be
Speaker 1: included in here, it's not it doesn't feel as curated
Speaker 1: as maybe Game Awards or the Summer Game Fest stuff does.
Speaker 1: And it definitely does feel like, Okay, you got some
Speaker 1: you got some decent stuff in here, but you got
Speaker 1: some things in here where it's just kind of like
Speaker 1: all right, you know, just kind of feels like an ad.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I thought that that Dune game look pretty bad. Yeah, personally,
Speaker 2: especially like when they broke out like the whole base thing,
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, like this is very complicated and not great.
Speaker 2: And it was funny because I watched that Lost Records
Speaker 2: Bloom and Rage trailer, yes, and like this was before
Speaker 2: like the title card or whatever. But I was like,
Speaker 2: what is it? What does Life of Stranger can knock off?
Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh, okay, it don't not
Speaker 2: making it, but yeah, do.
Speaker 1: Not making their closest thing I think they've made to
Speaker 1: Life is Strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't work with the IP, so.
Speaker 2: Right since they can't make anything with it, so I mean.
Speaker 1: They we have a new Life is Strange coming out
Speaker 1: pretty soon, so I guess we'll see now that you know,
Speaker 1: don'tnut it's not working on it, even though was Dick
Speaker 1: deck Nines made other Life of Strange games at this
Speaker 1: point too, so it's not you know, like their first one.
Speaker 1: Anything that you did like from the show that stood
Speaker 1: out to you.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of curious about that secret level thing that
Speaker 2: TV show. Yeah, show what you're gonna do with that?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah? Got some big uh some kind of big names.
Speaker 1: And there's Sony shows that I mean, cradles got of
Speaker 1: Wars getting its own show one Amazon, so that kind
Speaker 1: of makes sense that you have cradles in there, but
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be like a kind of like a
Speaker 1: mixture of different Sony properties. And they also got Concord separately,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if I would have made a
Speaker 1: big deal about Concord.
Speaker 2: It's a big hit of the year, very.
Speaker 1: Unfortunate for those devs working on that game for eight
Speaker 1: years and for at the bomb like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but uh but yeah, everything else seemed fine, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was interested in the Secret Level show, you know,
Speaker 1: made by the you know, Leve War Robots that it
Speaker 1: kind of feels like their take on video games with that,
Speaker 1: which I like that the I watched the first season,
Speaker 1: I haven't watched the second one, and I liked it
Speaker 1: well enough, so looking to kind of what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do with that with games should be pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one that drawa drew my attention because I really liked
Speaker 1: Little Nightmares and Little Nimers three did show up in here,
Speaker 1: But of course that's not the original dev team that's
Speaker 1: making it. That's like now a kind of a dev
Speaker 1: team that helped Tarshier Studios on The Nightmares two and
Speaker 1: they've kind of taken that over for Van dy Namco
Speaker 1: now and aw Tarsher went and they're now a Embracer
Speaker 1: studio and they're making their own game called Reanimal. Definitely
Speaker 1: looks a lot like Little Nightmare, so you can see
Speaker 1: that the whole influence. Is there a lot of the
Speaker 1: same kind of art style whatever. But hey, I'm down
Speaker 1: for another one of those existing It looked really good
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know if that's your You.
Speaker 2: Don't want to talk about Borderlands four.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's Borderlands. I mean we really didn't
Speaker 1: get anything about the game other than hey, look as
Speaker 1: Borderlands be excited about it. We thought we were gonna
Speaker 1: have this amazing movie that it was gonna be hyped about,
Speaker 1: and that wasn't good.
Speaker 2: So you know, no, I didn't. I never found it'd
Speaker 2: be good.
Speaker 1: No, not us, I'm talking about them. I'm sure Randy
Speaker 1: Pritcher probably thought, oh, yeah, this is a great like
Speaker 1: one two punch, We're gonna get a big time selling
Speaker 1: Borderlands movie and then we're gonna get this announcement of
Speaker 1: Borderlands four and it's gonna be hyped out of the moon.
Speaker 1: And no, it didn't happen, like, yeah, I mean it was.
Speaker 1: It was definitely the biggest announcement of of course, I
Speaker 1: p wise probably from like the first half of that show.
Speaker 1: I guess you could argue also like the Batman Arkham
Speaker 1: Shadow game, but that's also being VR kind of I.
Speaker 2: Was bad actually thought like that looked.
Speaker 1: Interesting to me. I just hate that it's in VR.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go buy a medic Quest three
Speaker 1: for that, Like, I like, I like that, you know.
Speaker 1: The the one that they had at the beginning of
Speaker 1: was a PSVR one with the Batman where you just
Speaker 1: kind of uh like, do Batman stuff inside his where
Speaker 1: he lives or whatever. And then this one kind of
Speaker 1: like actually that you play as Batman, do the whole
Speaker 1: as if you're playing one of the games.
Speaker 2: Right. The first one I think was more of a
Speaker 2: detective game or more right exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, they showed more of that dragon Ball Sparking zero,
Speaker 1: so you know.
Speaker 2: They're like, we have a secret character, and it's like
Speaker 2: what the eighties first version of Goku, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: So okay, we've got to have another another version of
Speaker 1: Goku there. That's uh uh for sure. On that you
Speaker 1: weren't excited about the Dying Light the Beast.
Speaker 3: You I don really like Dying Like too that much, Okay,
Speaker 3: but yeah, the whole thing is being a DLC that
Speaker 3: got expanded thing always kind of worries me because either
Speaker 3: turns out really decent or it turns out kind of eh,
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's more on the decent to good side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we'll see on that more Monster Hunter Wild which
Speaker 1: that continues to look good. I know you're a big
Speaker 1: fan of Worlds.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but I haven't. I don't. I haven't liked
Speaker 2: any of the other ones, so.
Speaker 1: But this one was definitely modeled after World so you'll
Speaker 1: probably like it.
Speaker 2: More than I don't know. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one got a big blowout between there, and
Speaker 1: then also the Future Games Show kind of revolved the
Speaker 1: Big Time around it as well. Uh So, I mean
Speaker 1: that's good for free access to kind of give that game.
Speaker 1: It's it's a big one.
Speaker 2: It needs to be a mid guar city though.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would buy it if they.
Speaker 2: Build the mid guard plate, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, if they they put that in his dlcink,
Speaker 4: they could get a lot of people in there for that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it would be interesting if they could make a deal
Speaker 4: with that, but I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Uh what do you think of seeing Peter Muliniu again
Speaker 1: with this Masters of Albion.
Speaker 2: I had to talk with Gens about it kind of
Speaker 2: because it's like, I don't like his games personally. The
Speaker 2: onely game I've ever liked from him was Table three. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's when everyone else hates or that, you know, right,
Speaker 2: I mean Gens correctly said, like everyone, you know, Fable
Speaker 2: one and two are like the better games. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I didn't like him, so they're you know, and
Speaker 2: I really didn't like his other work or you know,
Speaker 2: I guess I haven't played much of it, but yeah,
Speaker 2: he seems increasingly like a con artist. Ah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely got the griffs going on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that Master Albion one looks like, you know, Fable
Speaker 2: smashed with black and white. Yeah.
Speaker 1: With the games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, especially with the hand you can pick up
Speaker 2: your you know, your citizens and throw them around or
Speaker 2: do whatever you want. I'm like, yep, I see what
Speaker 2: you're doing with this. I mean, hey, if it's an
Speaker 2: actual game, good on them. But we'll see what screwball
Speaker 2: thing he tries to do with it.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, it's interesting that he said it's kind of
Speaker 1: in the Fable universe but not. And then he's like, well,
Speaker 1: technically they can't trademark Albion because it's an old city
Speaker 1: in the UK or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's like but the yeah, the Great Britain
Speaker 2: is like known or one of the other names for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I was like, well, I mean I just
Speaker 1: wouldn't go around being like, oh, yeah, it's part of
Speaker 1: Fable because then Macrosoft could technically go after you. So
Speaker 1: I would kind of shut up about that, let the
Speaker 1: game come out, and then if you want to talk
Speaker 1: about it, do it.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know if they necessarily once
Speaker 1: you associated with.
Speaker 2: He's just trying to get Microsoft to buy it from him.
Speaker 1: It probably be like, hey, coming off for me some
Speaker 1: of that game pass money or whatever, and see if
Speaker 1: that hits it for you. Another game that I'm sort
Speaker 1: of interested in as well from that, probably the last one.
Speaker 1: I think that it's a Mafia the Old Country. I
Speaker 1: like the Mafia games. So the fact that this is
Speaker 1: kind of at least they're hinting that they're going back
Speaker 1: to Italy and that there's another Mafia game. I'm down
Speaker 1: for that. So awesome to see that it is existing
Speaker 1: and happening. Everything else was kind of like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: know it exists. Cool that it got another trailer, like
Speaker 1: a lot of the Microsoft stuff. Microsoft came out big
Speaker 1: on this thing. They had all three days, so showing
Speaker 1: off games now you can kind of see why they're
Speaker 1: not going to be a Tokyo game show because they
Speaker 1: elected to basically just blow out everything here at games Come.
Speaker 1: It kind of makes no sense for them to show
Speaker 1: up in a month or two again in Japan, where
Speaker 1: they don't really have a big presence, and I don't
Speaker 1: think they have anything big to show outside of the
Speaker 1: fact that they have that marketing deal with Atlas for
Speaker 1: the I can't think of the name right now. Yeah
Speaker 1: the metaphor Refantasio. Yeah yeah, so yeah. Look, it was
Speaker 1: a decent show. At least Scheff didn't talk the whole time,
Speaker 1: which is good, and it felt like there wasn't as
Speaker 1: many ads, but again, this is because games Com pays
Speaker 1: for this thing, and yeah, so it's not it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, we're just running twenty minutes of ads.
Speaker 1: But yeah, cool. The rest of us. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like E three, you can go take your
Speaker 1: pick on stuff that you find on the that they
Speaker 1: showed up on the short floor that you liked. I
Speaker 1: didn't get to watch too much of other stuff because
Speaker 1: just it's like way too time consuming, and you know,
Speaker 1: after a while it kind of starts just running into
Speaker 1: like it feels like, starts feeling all the same after
Speaker 1: will yep. So the the kind of the biggest news
Speaker 1: out of this whole thing, which I know is not
Speaker 1: your favorite thing to talk about, Mark, is Microsoft basically
Speaker 1: on getting closer and closer to basically ripping off the
Speaker 1: band aid and just saying, hey, we're going to be
Speaker 1: third party. We're not going to ever tell you straight
Speaker 1: up that we are, but we are. And nothing was
Speaker 1: more prevalent than what they did here. As the one
Speaker 1: more thing for that Opening Night Live was indianed Doones
Speaker 1: in the Great Circle finally gets the release dated December ninth,
Speaker 1: which damn, lots of games are starting to come out
Speaker 1: in December now. For some reason, we all got to
Speaker 1: wait till the end to do the Game of the
Speaker 1: Year stuff. And then not only that, but oh we
Speaker 1: have one more thing and it's the fact that there's
Speaker 1: a PS five release state already. The game hasn't even
Speaker 1: come out yet, and already you know that about three
Speaker 1: months or so, four months at the most, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a PS five version yep. And then of course
Speaker 1: Phil had to go on. He had an interview with
Speaker 1: sarahbon where he this is with the Xbox on team,
Speaker 1: and he was basically asked the question about what do
Speaker 1: you what are we supposed to make of the Indiana
Speaker 1: Jones announcement that close.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, still doesn't know those answers.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, he knows those answers, but I mean
Speaker 1: he's gonna give the answer that he wants to give basically.
Speaker 1: So here's what he said. Going to the PlayStation announcement.
Speaker 1: You know they announced that stuff about the four games
Speaker 1: going to the other consoles. H And he said, when
Speaker 1: he sees what happened after that, they said they were
Speaker 1: gonna learn and all this, that he sees that the
Speaker 1: franchises are getting stronger. The Xbox console players this year
Speaker 1: or as high as they've ever been. So I look
Speaker 1: at it and say, our player numbers are going up
Speaker 1: for the console platform. Our franchises are strong as they've
Speaker 1: ever been, and we run a business, and he added,
Speaker 1: this is really the first time I feel like he's
Speaker 1: ever really talked about including Microsoft in this where it
Speaker 1: definitely feels like he's kind of just pretty much saying, listen,
Speaker 1: we now have to answer to people. We don't just
Speaker 1: get to be Xbox and be on the side over here.
Speaker 1: It's definitely true inside of Microsoft that the bar is
Speaker 1: high for us in terms of delivery, that we have
Speaker 1: to give back to the company because we get a
Speaker 1: level of support from the company that is just amazing
Speaker 1: what we're able to go do. So I look at this,
Speaker 1: how can we make our games as strong as possible
Speaker 1: and ensure that our platform He used to grow both
Speaker 1: on console, PC and cloud, and I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a struty that works for us. He once again
Speaker 1: mentions later that the business is changing, uh, and that
Speaker 1: we're going to see this happen, and then you know,
Speaker 1: people should expect changes and all this stuff. So he
Speaker 1: kind of at the end tries to turn it into
Speaker 1: we're not going to be the only one that does this.
Speaker 1: By the way, you're gonna start seeing this happen. Technically,
Speaker 1: I guess you could say that so many has done
Speaker 1: it now with the Horizon Lego game putting it on SWITCH,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's the same. And they put
Speaker 1: you know, they're putting a bunch of their games on
Speaker 1: PC until don remake is coming out day and day PC.
Speaker 1: The Concord just came out on PC.
Speaker 2: God of War rack in roccas according to Steam Charts.
Speaker 1: Well, it did, but are people playing it? That's two
Speaker 1: different things, right, And you know, is God of What
Speaker 1: Random Box coming out off PC? Obviously that's a delayed
Speaker 1: thing as they said they were going to do. So
Speaker 1: is he wrong in that? Yes, Sony is obviously feeling
Speaker 1: the hurt from they're paying too much to make their
Speaker 1: games and they're having to put some of them on PC.
Speaker 1: But they're not doing it like this. The way Microsoft
Speaker 1: is doing it is just basically like they've admitted that
Speaker 1: their console does not sell as well as they is
Speaker 1: it should you can blame whatever you want to blame
Speaker 1: on it, and that they need money from the other things.
Speaker 1: They also got to pay off this big debt from
Speaker 1: the Activision acquisition, and and be does the acquisition and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. He mentions that as well. So at
Speaker 1: this point and then they also announced three other xboxes
Speaker 1: at this thing, an All Digital Series X, another Series S,
Speaker 1: and I forgot what the other one is, yeah, White
Speaker 1: Series X.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh, the two Terrorbyte.
Speaker 1: Series X, which costs six hundred dollars, which that makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's another whole terrorbide of swordge Uh. That's basically what
Speaker 1: they do. They charge you one hundred dollars per terror
Speaker 1: by the storage that they put in these things. Whether
Speaker 1: it's correct or not, that's just what they do. So
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the ps prive pro I would be
Speaker 1: very surprised. PSI pro is less than five point fifty honestly.
Speaker 1: But we'll see supposedly Tokyo Game shows when they might
Speaker 1: announce that thing. Of course, they've been saying that for
Speaker 1: a while every time we get to a certain point, Oh,
Speaker 1: it should be announced by now, and they don't announce it.
Speaker 1: So I would guess to the last time.
Speaker 2: I no longer believe any hardware rumors at this point.
Speaker 1: Well, we know that we know the Nintendo's coming. It's
Speaker 1: just whenever the heck Nintendo feels like actually announced it.
Speaker 2: That's an inevitability. But yeah, I remember that all the
Speaker 2: switch pro rumors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but we know the PS five pro is
Speaker 1: in development, they just and they've cut I think Sony
Speaker 1: has officially said there is a PSI Pro. They just don't.
Speaker 1: They've never actually said we're going to announce it on
Speaker 1: this day or whatever. But honestly, I feel like I
Speaker 1: kind of get what Phil's doing here, right. He can't
Speaker 1: he can't fully go listen, all of the stuff is
Speaker 1: gonna show up on PlayStation because then nobody will buy
Speaker 1: their next box, right, and they're gonna make a next box.
Speaker 1: They already said they were, they were already in development
Speaker 1: on it. I'm sure that's costing them millions, you know,
Speaker 1: to to be doing R and D four and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. But I've seen a lot of articles come
Speaker 1: out now that say that we needed, we did we deserve,
Speaker 1: or we should be getting a timeline from Microsoft of
Speaker 1: when these games are going to be coming to other systems,
Speaker 1: and and that they need to just kind of embrace
Speaker 1: the whole We're not third party, but we are going
Speaker 1: to release our more of our things on PlayStation. Do
Speaker 1: you kind of go that route of do you just
Speaker 1: brand it off?
Speaker 2: I mean a time, I mean I want them to personally,
Speaker 2: but I think like a timeline idea is also a
Speaker 2: bad idea because they say, like, hey, every Xbox game
Speaker 2: six months and I was gonna be in PS five.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, no one's gonna buy an Xbox game period,
Speaker 2: or you know, an Xbox after that. Uh So they
Speaker 2: kind of have to play Coyle a little with some
Speaker 2: of this stuff. I saw the rumor that like Halo
Speaker 2: went to come to PS five, which is hysterical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for for Horizon five was a big rumor as well.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind that because the PC versions kind of busted.
Speaker 2: H So I'd probably did that. But I think I
Speaker 2: think Halo came to PS five, that's it for Xbox
Speaker 2: as like a viable alter you know, console or you know,
Speaker 2: then it's just gonna be so many versus Nintendo. It's like,
Speaker 2: who's ever gonna buy this again?
Speaker 1: It's interesting because like they have that thing with Gears
Speaker 1: uh et d. Right of technically that's a Microsoft big
Speaker 1: time property, Like are you also releasing that in four
Speaker 1: months on PlayStation as well? Are you going to keep
Speaker 1: that one longer in the vest because they don't have
Speaker 1: access to the other Gears games, Like that's the thing,
Speaker 1: is this one you can kind of say, well, technically,
Speaker 1: it's not our decision, right, and to an extent, yes,
Speaker 1: it's not their decision. Disney could have come and said, listen,
Speaker 1: we don't care about how much money you paid to
Speaker 1: make it exclusive. We'll give you a certain window and
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have to put it on PlayStation five
Speaker 1: or on the other console because we need the most
Speaker 1: sales as possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that MLB game or you know the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, could it have always been that there was only
Speaker 1: a four or five month exclusivity window and Xbox just
Speaker 1: kind of did this because I guess it doesn't matter, right,
Speaker 1: it's not their game. It's weird, right, It is weird
Speaker 1: because it's an Xbox studio making it, and it's going
Speaker 1: to show up not day and day, but it's going
Speaker 1: to show up pretty quickly, and even before you don't
Speaker 1: even you didn't even let it release on Xbox and
Speaker 1: then kind of be out there and then say, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: it's also coming to PS five. You did it before
Speaker 1: it even came out, So like now people have the
Speaker 1: option to wait, nobody's buying an Xbox, Nobody's they may
Speaker 1: not even I mean, I guess it doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: somebody subscribes the game pass for a month and plays it,
Speaker 1: and then if they want to buy it on the
Speaker 1: PS five they can. I guess that's a win from
Speaker 1: Microsoft too. But I don't know, do you think that
Speaker 1: their hand was forced here or did they just go
Speaker 1: ahead and do it because they don't think that it's
Speaker 1: going to matter too much.
Speaker 2: I think it does matter to them quite a bit.
Speaker 2: But I think it's a problem of they haven't been
Speaker 2: good stewards of their franchises over the past ten years,
Speaker 2: so they're kind of you know, it's there all it's
Speaker 2: it's a problem with their own making. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: the sales haven't necessarily been there either. I mean, what
Speaker 2: was it, like Xbox is down thirty sent this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like their conference are like down yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's okay, I mean you can you can. Both
Speaker 2: consoles are comparable power wise. I mean, but you have
Speaker 2: to look at like Xbox's overall output, and you know,
Speaker 2: I think their problem is they exactly over paid for Activision.
Speaker 2: Well they didn't overpay, but they gotta have such an
Speaker 2: activision and it's like, yo, you have existing I that
Speaker 2: you fucked up, So why are you trying to go
Speaker 2: after this? You know, all these companies and you're not
Speaker 2: gonna I mean, all you're gonna care about is Call
Speaker 2: of Duty anyway.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're basically just trying to kind of be
Speaker 1: the ones that now we get the money from, well
Speaker 1: the Warcraft, candy Crush, Call of Duty and then whatever
Speaker 1: else it is that they had, Diablo, whatever else that
Speaker 1: they happen to make, right, which in a way I
Speaker 1: guess makes sense. Right, that's the biggest publisher in America,
Speaker 1: perhaps globally even.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't fault them for going after Activision,
Speaker 2: Like it's a good it's a theoretically good idea, but
Speaker 2: like they're you know, they're going after it because their
Speaker 2: own franchises. They're not bad franchises, but they've led to
Speaker 2: bad outcomes. Like the only franchise that's like viable is Forza.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yo, you had you know, Gears and Halo,
Speaker 2: and look what happened to those, Like Gears kind of
Speaker 2: fell away and people are supremely unhappy with Halo.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I started to come back a little bit, but
Speaker 1: again it's like one of those where it's too little,
Speaker 1: too late. You made the first impression, and then now
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like, okay, great, it's like the
Speaker 1: same thing as some other live service games where it's like, oh, great,
Speaker 1: you're still existing, but we no longer care whether you're
Speaker 1: still existing or not because you kind of screwed it
Speaker 1: up the first time. You know, my issue has always
Speaker 1: been they don't do it, and you know, even the
Speaker 1: European market came out and said that they don't. They're
Speaker 1: not given this huge amount of money on marketing, which
Speaker 1: is weird for somebody to come out and say, but
Speaker 1: I do think that they've done a really bad job
Speaker 1: of marketing game Pass. There are so many people that
Speaker 1: have no idea that thing exists, Like seriously, talking to
Speaker 1: my no, I'm just saying from a general, non hardcore
Speaker 1: gamer person. I was talking to my trainer the other day.
Speaker 1: He plays games. He had no idea about game Pass
Speaker 1: and that all he had to do was subscribe and
Speaker 1: he could play it wherever, even on his phone.
Speaker 2: Or does he have an Xbox.
Speaker 1: No, but you don't need an Xbox, that's the point.
Speaker 2: No, But it's it's still an intrinsic thing. Like you know,
Speaker 2: I would never get a game pass because I don't
Speaker 2: give a shit about playing games on a phone.
Speaker 1: Well, what you can play on your PC, you could
Speaker 1: play it on another thing, you could play it on
Speaker 1: you don't. But I'm just saying, you know, in a Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't have an Xbox, but I mean you have
Speaker 1: an Xbox one.
Speaker 2: You could see no one, No one is going to
Speaker 2: play like your trainer example. It's like you're not going
Speaker 2: to tell someone, hey, get game passed to play in
Speaker 2: a PC because a they wouldn't have a PC at all,
Speaker 2: or if they did, it'd be some Chromebook or something,
Speaker 2: they probably couldn't run the damn thing anyway. Like you
Speaker 2: need like that hardcore. You need a modicum of the
Speaker 2: hardcore mindset to get like to be interested in game pass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he has he has a switch and a
Speaker 1: PS five or whatever. You know. His thing was said.
Speaker 1: I think it was it was a Call of Duty, right,
Speaker 1: he was playing Call of Duty with a friend and
Speaker 1: I just kind of mentioned game pass. And then there
Speaker 1: was some other I can't e with some I think
Speaker 1: we were talking about Halo and I said, oh, you
Speaker 1: know there's a game pass.
Speaker 2: But right, yeah, but that's a that's a very bad proposition.
Speaker 2: For him, because it's like, why would I pay you know,
Speaker 2: twenty five for fifteen bucks a month for twelve months.
Speaker 2: I could just buy the game for seventy bucks and
Speaker 2: have it for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: No, I get it. I'm just saying in general, I
Speaker 1: feel like to the people outside of.
Speaker 2: I have I have the mindset that everyone who has
Speaker 2: an Xbox already has game Pass.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean now they do, right, because if
Speaker 1: you had gold before they transferred you over.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that it can't be an infinitely
Speaker 2: growing thing.
Speaker 1: No, no, it can't. But that that's also why this
Speaker 1: whole idea about the console is going to go away
Speaker 1: is not going to happen because they need the console
Speaker 1: in order for game Pass toward right, going on their
Speaker 1: own game Pass, have it on the console, not on
Speaker 1: something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly like them going, I always put game Pass
Speaker 2: on the firestick four K or whatever. It's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd like to see a breakdown of users from each
Speaker 2: you know, Samsung TVs PC, con So and fire Stakes, Like,
Speaker 2: what's the breakdown going to be? Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even the the thing is you have to
Speaker 1: be somebody that's a total casual gamer. That doesn't play
Speaker 1: something like Call of Duty because even when you compare
Speaker 1: it to like the TV app, the firestick is so
Speaker 1: much slower at doing everything. So that's the problem is
Speaker 1: and I think that's you know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: if Microsoft's ever going to come out with their own
Speaker 1: at their own thing that they're just going to release
Speaker 1: themselves that's called Microsoft, it's called Xbox, or they're just
Speaker 1: going to keep partnering with all these people, uh you know,
Speaker 1: different TV companies that eventually get it growing that way,
Speaker 1: but that it's not it's not great the options that
Speaker 1: you have if you don't own uh PC or have
Speaker 1: a device that runs cloud well, you know, so that
Speaker 1: that thing about you don't have to have a box
Speaker 1: is true, but are you really giving people the best
Speaker 1: experience with the I don't have to have a box
Speaker 1: thing either? So no, I think the technology is nowhere
Speaker 1: near there at least for this next generation. Now after
Speaker 1: that generation, who knows what consoles are going to be
Speaker 1: doing at that point, after the sinction, But for this
Speaker 1: generation coming, there's at least going to be a box
Speaker 1: because there's not enough technology around for cloud gaming to
Speaker 1: work for everybody, for even PC gaming to where even
Speaker 1: though it feels like a lot more people are buying
Speaker 1: PCs now than in the past, it feels like every
Speaker 1: time I turn around, somebody's going, oh, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: buy a PC.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess Microsoft wins that way too, because you know
Speaker 1: Windows and all that jump my I think my thought
Speaker 1: of this, and I don't know that this is kind
Speaker 1: of what I look at it as. I feel like
Speaker 1: Microsoft just looks at the Xbox now as another product
Speaker 1: that they make, just like their surface tablets they're or
Speaker 1: whatever laptop or other thing that they make. We're not
Speaker 1: the market leader there, but we don't care because you're
Speaker 1: buying our products. So as long as you buy our games,
Speaker 1: whether that's call of duty avowed whatever, Indiana Jones, we
Speaker 1: don't care. As long as you're buying our products, and
Speaker 1: the box is just the thing that you're gonna use
Speaker 1: to play those games on, and we don't care whether
Speaker 1: you buy that box or not either. And as long
Speaker 1: as you keep buying those games, we'll make enough money
Speaker 1: to keep making your box that you want. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That was the only conclusion I could think of that
Speaker 1: this makes sense for them, is that they think that
Speaker 1: they'll sell it, just like they do with every other thing.
Speaker 1: Microsoft is mainly a software maker that they will make
Speaker 1: enough money off software that they can take the loss
Speaker 1: on the hardware.
Speaker 2: I think that can happen. They have to have good software, no,
Speaker 2: or let's just say it's been shaky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think Indiana Jones is going to
Speaker 1: be good. I think A Vowed is going to be good.
Speaker 1: Is it going to be a amazing No? Probably not. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think that's the problem is that everybody wants every
Speaker 1: game that they make now to be amazing, and Starfield
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the first amazing one and it
Speaker 1: wasn't that.
Speaker 2: I mean, aside from four, I'm going to discount Forest
Speaker 2: out of this equation because that's always you know, decently good.
Speaker 2: What's their what's their last big Triple A game that
Speaker 2: was like legitimately great?
Speaker 1: Was the last like geh, Probably the Gears four was
Speaker 1: the last one that I remember getting universally praised like
Speaker 1: that at you know, bonkers.
Speaker 2: If you're saying Gears four that was you know, eight
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like all the Bethesda stuff was before they
Speaker 1: bought be doesA, so that doesn't really count. And Death
Speaker 1: Loop was Death Loop was wonderfully praised, but that was
Speaker 1: Bethesda before they bought be does the two, right, So
Speaker 1: since they bought Bethesda, if we're gonna start there, because
Speaker 1: that's basically when Microsoft really changed. I can't really think
Speaker 1: of like this game that everybody goes, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you have to play this outside of like small stuff
Speaker 1: like Penson wonderfully loved High Fire Rush again, but it's
Speaker 1: not something that's gonna sell your console. It's it's wonderfully
Speaker 1: loved by all of us hardcore gamers.
Speaker 2: But right, you know, I mean that's like the biggest
Speaker 2: problem is they need five to ten hits. They need
Speaker 2: like they need a Halo Infinite to like actually be
Speaker 2: good and hit as hard as Halo three did, and
Speaker 2: that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: And I think they see that. I mean again, Indiana
Speaker 1: Jones is probably out of there. It's they weren't just
Speaker 1: the one. They weren't the only ones that have a
Speaker 1: say in that. Again, Disney can have a say and
Speaker 1: tell you, look, this is what you agreed on. We're
Speaker 1: going to shorten this window or it was always six months,
Speaker 1: and then that's it. It goes to PlayStation after that
Speaker 1: whatever that is. I don't think Indiana Jones is going
Speaker 1: to be that critical hit either. It looks pretty good. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you know, the more I see of it, the more
Speaker 1: I'm interested in playing it. But again, I don't have to.
Speaker 1: I can just put it on. I can. I already
Speaker 1: have game Pass. I can just put it on. Try
Speaker 1: it there if I don't like a big deal. But
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything like coming down the line
Speaker 1: that makes me go because you know, a valve got
Speaker 1: delayed again. Again. It looks good, but I you know,
Speaker 1: I think they're delaying it because they know it's not
Speaker 1: something that's gonna sell consoles or whatever. It's just a
Speaker 1: game that that's gonna be on. It's great for game Pass, right,
Speaker 1: It's a thing that you can put on the thing
Speaker 1: for game pass. As hell, here's another one of our
Speaker 1: really great games, you know, really good games that you
Speaker 1: can enjoy. Even Tower Bourne is gonna go on Steam
Speaker 1: Early Access first. It's not even gonna go on the
Speaker 1: game preview thing, which is weird, but I understand because
Speaker 1: Steam Early Access is like more tried and true. We
Speaker 1: saw what happened with Power World where it took them.
Speaker 1: I think it was like it took three weeks for
Speaker 1: them to make one paths for the game preview, whereas
Speaker 1: they could do it instantly with Steam. So they feel
Speaker 1: like it's not ready for such a big audience. Like
Speaker 1: that was what the developers, So this is why Microsoft
Speaker 1: is letting them do it after that Clockwork revolution. We
Speaker 1: kind of don't know enough about what that is, like
Speaker 1: maybe stated the K three, Maybe Gears of Gears, Uh
Speaker 1: you know that that game. Aside from that, I really
Speaker 1: Fable Gable could.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well so so many of those still are like unknowns,
Speaker 2: Like you know, Perfect Dark for example, It's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: that trail looked kind of cool, but like when is
Speaker 2: that thing coming out?
Speaker 1: Oh, that thing's probably that thing is farther away. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised they said, what Fable is twenty twenty five?
Speaker 1: Uh for sure, avowed twenty five.
Speaker 2: That goes back to my point though. They're bad stewards
Speaker 2: of even their existing franchise, So yeah.
Speaker 1: They just that. And that's another thing too, is like
Speaker 1: you said, it's not just bad stewards, it's how many
Speaker 1: years during the not only Xbox One, but even the
Speaker 1: beginning of this generation did they just have nothing come
Speaker 1: out like, so you're paying for game Pass to have
Speaker 1: third party games and indie games. And again, that's cool
Speaker 1: for somebody like me that we're playing games because we
Speaker 1: have things to talk about on the podcast or reviewing
Speaker 1: games or whatever. But the you know, casual gamer out
Speaker 1: there looks the game faster goes. What am I supposed
Speaker 1: to do with this? There's not really anything new for
Speaker 1: me to play. I don't really care about these older games,
Speaker 1: or I may have played them already or whatever, so
Speaker 1: there's nothing there for them to to really necessitate them
Speaker 1: buying that. So, you know, Xbox, as you said, they
Speaker 1: led themselves here, and then when they started buying publishers
Speaker 1: and especially buy one as big as Athvisial Lizard, Microsoft
Speaker 1: starts paying attention. You got to start making and Microsoft says, hey, yo,
Speaker 1: And I think this is where Xbox kind of hurts
Speaker 1: itself too. Phil keeps being the public face of everything,
Speaker 1: Sarah Bond as well, and then they end up talking
Speaker 1: in circles, saying one thing and then going around and
Speaker 1: saying something else, and then going to the next interview
Speaker 1: and saying something else and now fill this like a
Speaker 1: liar yep, so not helping yourself there. I don't think
Speaker 1: Xbox's strategy is wrong necessarily. I think they might be
Speaker 1: right in a way. I think we are going to
Speaker 1: start seeing Nintendo might start giving out their IP to
Speaker 1: other people to make those games come out faster. Maybe
Speaker 1: especially switch To is as big a assess as the
Speaker 1: Switch one was. Tony's albody putting stuff on PC. They
Speaker 1: might do a little bit more with switch To, especially
Speaker 1: again at switch to is the big money maker that
Speaker 1: everybody thinks. It's going to be a lot of rumors
Speaker 1: going around right now. Tom Henderson said it that it
Speaker 1: game's come a lot of people talking about possibly a
Speaker 1: Sony if not also Microsoft handheld happening. That's not the portal.
Speaker 1: That's probably more akin to like a PSB or a PSBTA.
Speaker 1: What do you think about So do you think that
Speaker 1: that would help those two companies if say they came
Speaker 1: out with their own version of the switch.
Speaker 2: I mean, Tony already has that stupid portal thing.
Speaker 1: Right, but that's not a switch. That is a you
Speaker 1: can only go in your house, have to connect it
Speaker 1: to the PS five and hopefully it works for you.
Speaker 2: It would depend highly on if it could run Steam games.
Speaker 2: That's probably the number one thing. Yeah, and then how
Speaker 2: much of a degradation would like running gotta will Ragnaroki
Speaker 2: in that thing? Or I mean how compressed can they
Speaker 2: make it? You know? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And just to get to the last thing on this
Speaker 1: is the other big kind of thing people have talked
Speaker 1: about that would help Xbox, especially with their new box,
Speaker 1: is what if they made it like a PC completely
Speaker 1: a PC. It's open to everything. You can play Steam
Speaker 1: games on it. It's basically like you can use it
Speaker 1: as a Steam Box or whatever. Do you think that
Speaker 1: that would perhaps kind of like the Steam Deck. It
Speaker 1: hasn't sold a gazillion cop you know, units, but it
Speaker 1: sells decently enough. And then Steam and val keeps doing
Speaker 1: what they do. Do you think that helps Xbox? I say,
Speaker 1: they just open it up to let you play everything.
Speaker 2: Now because I'm allowed to play Xbox games.
Speaker 1: Right, But okay, if I can use my Steam library
Speaker 1: and I can just use an Xbox and I don't
Speaker 1: have to have like the big picture mode, I don't
Speaker 1: have to go buy a Steam Deck. I just have
Speaker 1: my Xbox and I get to use it as the
Speaker 1: thing that I put on my TV.
Speaker 2: But then why you why would you pay for game
Speaker 2: pass then either no, yeah, a regular person, not you specifically,
Speaker 2: but like I mean, if it's a choice between like
Speaker 2: an Xbox or you know, a home PC, the home
Speaker 2: PC is more technically burdensome, or you know, most people
Speaker 2: have people to figure it out. If it doesn't down
Speaker 2: enough for people to understand Steam, but then once to
Speaker 2: get into the Steam they well, I would ever go
Speaker 2: back to Xbox again.
Speaker 1: Right, No, you're right about that. Yeah, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: seeing people play, uh because right now you can do
Speaker 1: the g force now thing on it where you bought
Speaker 1: the game on Steam. If people are playing Black Best
Speaker 1: Wukong on the Xbox through the g fource now thing, right, so,
Speaker 1: I guess they just want a portal to where you
Speaker 1: can just directly play your Steam games to do there.
Speaker 2: Besides, if you're gonna, if're gonna talk about that, you
Speaker 2: need to bring up the Infinium Labs Phantom console.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But we'll, uh, we'll see how this progresses. I'm
Speaker 1: sure we will get more stuff with Xbox before we
Speaker 1: even get to Indiana Jones coming out, still a lot
Speaker 1: of months to come. Who knows that we do get
Speaker 1: that timeline at some point. But moving on from that
Speaker 1: to talk about Blackman for a second, Black with Lukong
Speaker 1: is doing so in China that is selling out PS
Speaker 1: fives and also had Ha sold till million copies, which
Speaker 1: is a ridiculous amount, even more than I think the
Speaker 1: record was a Scarlet and Violet for the switch with
Speaker 1: how fast this thing sold in three days. Obviously when
Speaker 1: you look at the Steam numbers, most of that is
Speaker 1: in China and then the rest of the world is
Speaker 1: like a much much smaller number. What like, do you
Speaker 1: have any interest in this game? Number one? And the
Speaker 1: number two? Like what do you make of this? Do
Speaker 1: you think this is a huge deal?
Speaker 2: Like, well, a, it's a Chinese game, so it's going
Speaker 2: in China, not exactly a huge prize, right, And.
Speaker 1: It feels like it went over to like being not
Speaker 1: just gamers, right, you got people that aren't necessary, like
Speaker 1: the casuals in China bought this thing. I think they
Speaker 1: gave a lot of people the day off in China
Speaker 1: as well to be able to kind of experience this.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just they made it a big deal. They
Speaker 1: made it a big deal.
Speaker 2: They gotta support the party somehow, So yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I have no I guess it looks okay, No, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't like turn it down if I got it, but
Speaker 2: I'm not going like a World red shut and buy it.
Speaker 2: I've already played Dragon Balls, I know how the story ends.
Speaker 1: Right for me, It's one of those I'll definitely like
Speaker 1: look at it on a sale because it's not a
Speaker 1: soul's game. It's a more of an action game. I
Speaker 1: like those. It's not something I'm going to go run
Speaker 1: out and pay sixty bucks for right now, right so,
Speaker 1: especially because it runs like absolute crap on the PS
Speaker 1: five Apparently.
Speaker 2: In what we played, I got a good game for that.
Speaker 1: Also, like that's the thing too, right is again PC
Speaker 1: is winning here because it's running it's almost like Cyberpunk.
Speaker 1: It's running really well or decently enough on PC, and
Speaker 1: then on pscy it's running badly, not even not even
Speaker 1: in like quality mode. It's running well. I think it
Speaker 1: has like three modes and either any of them are
Speaker 1: running that great. But even despite that, it's selling p
Speaker 1: S fives well enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah to buy PS five than to buy a console
Speaker 2: and the mean to buy a computer. Yeah, And again
Speaker 2: it's it's technical hiccups of you know, like you don't
Speaker 2: know a computer that well.
Speaker 1: Right, I do think this bodes well for other Chinese devs.
Speaker 1: Is it Phantom Blades coming out also this year? That
Speaker 1: looks good. That's more of a souls like I think
Speaker 1: than this game is. But hey, that's good. That's good
Speaker 1: for the market. China is trying to, you know, be
Speaker 1: a big player in this market. Aside from just being like, oh,
Speaker 1: we own publishers and stuff with and and and dev
Speaker 1: studios like Tencent, we want to be able to make
Speaker 1: our own games and kind of do like what we
Speaker 1: were seeing Korea do, South Korea do, and uh, kind
Speaker 1: of start making a name for themselves in it not
Speaker 1: just be Japan kind of ruling all of Asia. So
Speaker 1: I'm down with that. I think that that's good for
Speaker 1: a black and ukon. Look, understandably, there are some issues
Speaker 1: with the game, and they did, you know, Randy and
Speaker 1: I talked about last week, the whole thing that they
Speaker 1: sent out to influencers about don't talk about this, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that kind of thing. And I think the
Speaker 1: game is getting a bit over hyped. Seems to be
Speaker 1: like it's it's not the you know, next great amazing game.
Speaker 1: It's also some people be like, oh if this wasn't
Speaker 1: win Game of the Year, then everything's kind of rigged
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, then we're getting a little bit
Speaker 1: too far here with that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it has an average Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: But speaking of a game that I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people had high hopes for and did not do
Speaker 1: that well, at least from early reviews. It has not
Speaker 1: come out in early access yet. That's going to be tomorrow,
Speaker 1: But I'm going to say these Star Wars Outlaws reviews
Speaker 1: have made it to where I don't think I'm going
Speaker 1: to spend the eighteen bucks for you Soft plus.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was kind of very excited for this, and it
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, this seems like it's an okay game.
Speaker 1: It's not even a great game.
Speaker 2: A lot of the sevens, yeah, sevens and eights, I mean, well, and.
Speaker 1: Then I'm seeing a lot of people, just individual people
Speaker 1: writing it even lower, so that's not good either. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what were your I know
Speaker 1: you said you weren't necessarily it's not it's your kind
Speaker 1: of game, but you weren't interested in buying it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not interested in the Star Wars part of it.
Speaker 2: That's my problem.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it looks fine in this gameplay
Speaker 2: and stuff, but a Star Wars so.
Speaker 1: At least they didn't set it. But like you know,
Speaker 1: between three and four they said it, like between five
Speaker 1: and six, I think doesn't make it that much better,
Speaker 1: I guess, right, Like I was still kind of distinct
Speaker 1: that it's a different type of gameplay. It's not not
Speaker 1: the Jedi stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's still I mean, yes, it's not this
Speaker 2: typical Star Wars stuff. The problem is not it's just
Speaker 2: typical pose of stuff. Yeah, that's you know, you're training
Speaker 2: one one problem over another.
Speaker 1: I've I've watched kind of funny and I've watched a
Speaker 1: few others review the game, and I've heard a lot
Speaker 1: of comparisons to Assassin's Creed one with the gameplay.
Speaker 2: Oh that's not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not good.
Speaker 1: It's very heavy stealth. And then the stealth is not
Speaker 1: good because the AI is not great and it's either
Speaker 1: you fail or you just walk right by and nobody
Speaker 1: sees you. And then and the apparently the game the
Speaker 1: actual like shooting is not great either.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like you're going for like the Star Wars
Speaker 1: vibes and stuff like that, but the gameplay aspect of
Speaker 1: it is not good, and that doesn't make me want
Speaker 1: to show out seventy dollars, let alone twenty. And when
Speaker 1: you have a what we expect is probably going to
Speaker 1: be a great game in Astrobot coming out in a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, I think I'm just gonna go with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if I had, if I was reviewing it, and
Speaker 1: I'm not going out and spending money on it again,
Speaker 1: like I think, like you said about Black with Lukong,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna turn it down, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: go out and and I think just they spend money
Speaker 1: and look for y'all folks that are big Star Wars fans,
Speaker 1: and you are gonna spend money on or you're gonna
Speaker 1: do Gibisoft Plus basically like a thirty day trial with it,
Speaker 1: and I hope you have fun to help you enjoy it.
Speaker 1: But I was expecting, like bigger fan care too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was expecting, you know, it's gonna be a better game.
Speaker 1: And I think when you're getting into the fall season
Speaker 1: where there's gonna be a lot of games that we're
Speaker 1: gonna be interested in you're not gonna have as much time,
Speaker 1: and deciding what you're gonna spend your money on is important. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's not like these last three or four months where
Speaker 1: we've kind of had a lot of dead time and
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of games coming out, so you're
Speaker 1: kind of like, all right, college football s prolla me
Speaker 1: be the biggest game coming out. Anyway, if I didn't
Speaker 1: review it, I would have bought it, you know, same
Speaker 1: thing like Okay, Black with Wukong, there's really not a
Speaker 1: lot and like this that's the thing is like Star
Speaker 1: Wars is coming out, like this is the perfect time
Speaker 1: to come out because it's right before these big games
Speaker 1: start coming out, and then it just it doesn't do
Speaker 1: well and it's not good. I think, I'm sure it'll
Speaker 1: do fine because it's a Star Wars game, but I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure you expecting a lot better scores and a
Speaker 1: lot better praise for this game than it's been getting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but at this point, so does this worry you?
Speaker 1: For Assassin's Creed Shadows.
Speaker 2: No particular that's going to get tep interviews.
Speaker 1: You think, So it's Assassin's Creed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but those are a little dicey.
Speaker 1: I mean, Vala was like beloved for the most part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then I also played the last one.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you didn't like Marage that much.
Speaker 2: And they typically, I mean, it'd be nice. It was good,
Speaker 2: but that franchise is son even so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, uh, I mean, we knew about Star Wars,
Speaker 1: but Valve has been kind of like trying to be
Speaker 1: hush hushed about Deadlock, even to the extent of banning
Speaker 1: people's accounts that talked about the game very openly. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, including the Verge that they kind of made
Speaker 1: a mockery of the whole This wasn't an actual NDA.
Speaker 1: You just kind of had to sign something that's you know,
Speaker 1: before you started playing the game that said please don't
Speaker 1: talk about it. But Deadlock is officially a six to
Speaker 1: six third person hero shooter. The game is another moment
Speaker 1: and you know, there's a lot of tempt stuff in
Speaker 1: the game right now. Of course you can go play
Speaker 1: it if you get invited with the friends and family
Speaker 1: close beta. Are you interested in this and what do
Speaker 1: you you know you think this will be good? I mean,
Speaker 1: and whilso, what's the point of it if they have
Speaker 1: Team Fortress too, Like, is there.
Speaker 2: A Team forkss too isn't six on six and they
Speaker 2: would relate to over overhaul Team Fortress too. As far
Speaker 2: as a unit like you know, abilities and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It's probably it actually probably as easier for them to say, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm reckon something new. I thought it was extremely bad
Speaker 2: timing that they, like the day I think they announced
Speaker 2: this Concord came out or the day after or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then see out you saw that as they overwatched
Speaker 2: too versus Battle Born thing from years ago, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: one of these games did well and one of these
Speaker 2: games bonded horribly, but now both those games bond horribly.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess we'll let's see what happens. I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't have an interest, but I'm really
Speaker 2: done at the genre. So that's kind of why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't blame you on that. It is interesting
Speaker 1: that this is kind of coming out of a time
Speaker 1: where Okay, we have another hero game, Marble Rivals, that
Speaker 1: people kind of seem to be interested in, another game
Speaker 1: that's coming out in December, by the way, And but
Speaker 1: that's also because it has the Marvel Right characters on it, right,
Speaker 1: how much we already saw like, Okay, Concord basically took
Speaker 1: Gardens of the Galaxy, made characters, and then did overwatch
Speaker 1: of it or whatever, and then now you have Deadlock,
Speaker 1: which we assume is going to have like no known
Speaker 1: other valve.
Speaker 2: It's not like that Poker Night game where they had like,
Speaker 2: you know, the heavy and strong bead and shit like that.
Speaker 2: Like this is a good Ton of Town thing. I mean,
Speaker 2: here's the telling thing is there are currently seventy three
Speaker 2: thousand people playing that game right now, right, and it's
Speaker 2: not out, like you know, it's not you can just
Speaker 2: go install it yourself, you know.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, but that's not good. That's not bad to
Speaker 1: be in like a sort of like closed beta kind
Speaker 1: of thing for a while.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's amazing to be in that. Like it's like
Speaker 2: you know, fucking Redfall or Concord or whatever, which is
Speaker 2: they have these numbers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they couldn't even get enough people to
Speaker 1: play it on PS plus when it was on there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then when Steam, if you pre ordered you got
Speaker 1: like five codes to give out the friends, and they
Speaker 1: still couldn't get more than like what two thousand people
Speaker 1: at once?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? People just I don't necessarily think it's burnt out
Speaker 1: with the genre for everybody. I think it's just like
Speaker 1: it's too many.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I think the problem is like not not
Speaker 2: a not enough of these people innovate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of the same and.
Speaker 2: People people are hoping are wasting that, you know that
Speaker 2: that's a new game from Valve will do something different?
Speaker 2: Does We'll see, But that's the hope anyway, because it's
Speaker 2: not like I'll watch two do anything different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely not. But staying on this thing with Steam, uh,
Speaker 1: you know. Randy Pittsford obviously has had a mixed week
Speaker 1: with the Borderlands movie bombing, and then of course he
Speaker 1: got to at least save it a little bit with
Speaker 1: the announcement of Borderlands four. But he also kind of
Speaker 1: took to social media to talk about his comments that
Speaker 1: he made many years ago when Borderlands three was coming
Speaker 1: out about you know, at that time, Tina Tiny Tina
Speaker 1: and Borderlinds three were both excused to the Epic Game Store,
Speaker 1: and he was talking about how, oh, this is going
Speaker 1: to be the next big store. Steam is going to
Speaker 1: die all of that stuff. It's this is gonna be
Speaker 1: this is a big, viable competitor, and then he kind
Speaker 1: of like he kind of says that basically like Epic
Speaker 1: ship the bed on their opportunity to overtake Steam, and
Speaker 1: now it's like, well, Steam is still existing, and so
Speaker 1: you know, he believes in Steam. Now he's a Steam
Speaker 1: developer and a customer.
Speaker 2: But I mean that's because it's not like, I mean,
Speaker 2: Borderlines one and two came out on Steam. They did
Speaker 2: way better than Borderlines three. Dad.
Speaker 1: I guess my my point in this is that you know,
Speaker 1: we all we all know ific game stores. The only
Speaker 1: reason people even talk about it is because there's free
Speaker 1: games on it all the time.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And if you have a good enough PC, I think
Speaker 1: you're going out there, you're just pressing down, You're pressing
Speaker 1: add to library on them, and then you just shut
Speaker 1: off the store. I was doing that for a while,
Speaker 1: but I just didn't even bother because.
Speaker 2: My point about this is Randy Pitchford need to shut
Speaker 2: the fuck up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I guess my question was to even have
Speaker 1: this on here is do you think that there's what
Speaker 1: would a store have to do to be a viable
Speaker 1: competitor to Steam? And did Epic what could have Epic
Speaker 1: have done differently if to try you know, harder or
Speaker 1: like where do they go wrong?
Speaker 2: Epic's problem is like people still I think they have
Speaker 2: Epic games on there or you know, it doesn't help
Speaker 2: that it's named after the company. H And I don't
Speaker 2: think there is a like a vibe. Like the only
Speaker 2: viable alternative to me really is a Good Old Games
Speaker 2: because they have a bunch of games on there that
Speaker 2: you can't get anywhere else, and they try to modernize
Speaker 2: them if they can, like I think, oh there's some
Speaker 2: real or alpha protocols just can't like re released on
Speaker 2: Good Old Games and that was unstained by the way
Speaker 2: I mean they delisted it, I think, but like the
Speaker 2: Good Old Games version is like more modernized and can
Speaker 2: like run like Windows eleven and has a better game pad,
Speaker 2: sport and stuff like that. Epic didn't have like the
Speaker 2: social features that even Steam had. It went like at
Speaker 2: the time, and then I think Steam is still seen
Speaker 2: as like this huge rightly, so it is this huge
Speaker 2: you know monolith because they offer good service and Epic doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's security issues that were happened with Epic as well.
Speaker 1: I remember it's the beginning. I'm sure they they might have,
Speaker 1: But yeah, do you think that anybody could come along
Speaker 1: and maybe not you search Steam, but actually be a competitor,
Speaker 1: whether it's actually feels like it's a story you want
Speaker 1: to use.
Speaker 2: Or i it's it's the thing of like I mean,
Speaker 2: there are a bunch of other like you know, good
Speaker 2: Old Games or Itch EO or and then, but they
Speaker 2: all had their own special uh you know, special specialties
Speaker 2: or you know, like it is way more better for
Speaker 2: indie games and stuff like that. There isn't a way
Speaker 2: to compete. But that's not I mean people say it's
Speaker 2: a monopoly, but it's like, well, you can still get
Speaker 2: games somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Steam doesn't, see it doesn't prevent you.
Speaker 1: But you could even sell your Steam keys on other
Speaker 1: websites and buy them cheaper and then still play them
Speaker 1: on Steam. I mean right, so you knowngle you could
Speaker 1: buy them on there for a while.
Speaker 2: So people always say monopoly is bad, but it's like,
Speaker 2: well bad for I mean bad for who? Because if
Speaker 2: the consumer's happy and the developers reasonably happy, who's it
Speaker 2: bad for?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's like those the facto monopolies that
Speaker 1: they're a monopoly because they are the best at what
Speaker 1: they do. And then there's the Google monopoly that they
Speaker 1: you know, the court just basically said that Google paid
Speaker 1: people to make sure they were number one, not necessarily
Speaker 1: that they were the best or whatever. And then of
Speaker 1: course we know what Google is doing to SEO and
Speaker 1: basically screwing websites left and right now. So not to mention,
Speaker 1: you know that that also affects YouTube as well. You
Speaker 1: know how you're seen on YouTube. So I think, look,
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna cry abot the monopoly thing
Speaker 1: for forever. But Steam does sales. Steam does things. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're not the sales that they used to be, but
Speaker 1: I think that's more because of the developers can't really
Speaker 1: afford to put their games that low anymore because gaming
Speaker 1: is in such a different way than it is now.
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't think. You know, Randy Fisher
Speaker 1: had a point. I think back then that Steam did
Speaker 1: need a competitor, but Epic kind of screwed that themselves
Speaker 1: by not only that, but the studios they purchased. They're
Speaker 1: purchasing like big multiplayer games that need to be everywhere,
Speaker 1: like Rocket League and Fall Guys and things like that,
Speaker 1: Like you don't want to go make you try to
Speaker 1: go make those exclusive on that epig game store, but
Speaker 1: there's still every where else, so you're not you're not
Speaker 1: getting you're not driving people to the store. You're driving people.
Speaker 1: There's no reason to really have a big games for
Speaker 1: other than the free games. And then sometimes they'll do exclusives,
Speaker 1: like you know when they put Keendom Hearts on there
Speaker 1: or allen Wick two or whatever, and then it's like
Speaker 1: what happened. Ketam Mar's collection just releases on Steam not
Speaker 1: too long ago, and it was it felt like a
Speaker 1: huge deal, whereas the epic games when it was like
Speaker 1: a wet fart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. I like to ask Grandy or
Speaker 2: an actual legitimate developer who's an epic exclusive. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: game was an epic for a year, what were the
Speaker 2: sales like either first day or even like for the
Speaker 2: first year versus your first dance team.
Speaker 1: Like at least they you know, at least they're going
Speaker 1: to you get the whole Oh I only got to
Speaker 1: take twelve percent thing, But I mean, how much are
Speaker 1: you really getting because you don't have any not even
Speaker 1: close to the number of people that are buying.
Speaker 2: Out against even like you know game pass. So yeah,
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 1: You're right about that, because there's a lot of PC
Speaker 1: players are just they're different, they're just bred differently that way.
Speaker 1: Like you know, you guys are just good about I
Speaker 1: want to go buy my game, have my game on Steam.
Speaker 1: I own it now, it's in the library. I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, Steam people don't even want to go on
Speaker 1: another another store that you're not paying any more or
Speaker 1: less for it. You just want it to be on
Speaker 1: on Steam. Uh. And I think that's what makes some
Speaker 1: of those other stores work is you can also just
Speaker 1: put your game into the Steam library from there, whereas
Speaker 1: Epic you know, for the longest time because they were competing,
Speaker 1: they didn't want to do that. So I think now
Speaker 1: you can though. Right now you can put your you go,
Speaker 1: you can get it from your from your computer and
Speaker 1: at least it'll still load the the Epic games thing,
Speaker 1: but you can you can have it in the Steam library.
Speaker 2: Right maybe I don't know, as you know, so.
Speaker 1: Hyper Life Breaker has been delayed again to at sometime
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, which isn't great. Sucks to hear
Speaker 1: that this game gets getting delayed again. It feels like
Speaker 1: it's constantly been delayed, but you know, I'd rather it
Speaker 1: come out in early access and be good and not
Speaker 1: come out early access and you're having to spend time
Speaker 1: fixing it. So I don't know, were you interested in
Speaker 1: this because I know they made a different than the
Speaker 1: hyper Light Drifter.
Speaker 2: I didn't play the first one, so yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Like Typerlight Drifter a lot, so I was kind of
Speaker 1: always interested in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess.
Speaker 1: What is that the way?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Been? And then also announced is the Atari seventy eight hundred,
Speaker 1: which you could play twenty six hundred and seventy one
Speaker 1: hundred carts. There are new games being made for this thing.
Speaker 1: There's one game that's included called Bentley Bear's Crystal Quest.
Speaker 1: It does have HDMI for modern TVs and it has
Speaker 1: a wireless game pad. I don't know why you wouldn't
Speaker 1: just put Blue two Is in it, But okay, I
Speaker 1: know you you like your retro stuff. Have you seen that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But I got the line in Atari. I never I
Speaker 2: had one once, but I couldn't eve figure out how
Speaker 2: to TV. So I've never actually like played a Natari
Speaker 2: game or Atari system.
Speaker 1: Well, you know they have that you have that VCS thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't play, you know, I think you know,
Speaker 2: I dropped, Like like with old movies, past a certain point,
Speaker 2: I'd pretty much check out unless it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: like a really big classic or something right right, aside
Speaker 2: from like Pitfall and Barnstorm, And I can't think of
Speaker 2: too many as Atari twenty six hundred games or No
Speaker 2: fifty eight hundred games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Satari was way past my generation as well.
Speaker 1: I only played it one time because my dad had
Speaker 1: one that he never used and my grandparents still had it.
Speaker 1: I hooked it up one time and played a few
Speaker 1: games on it. I was like, Okay, this is way
Speaker 1: beyond yep. So I don't have any nosalgia for this thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's cool for the people who do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the thing this is, I don't think
Speaker 1: this is going to sell amazing. Well, this is like
Speaker 1: we're talking about old school collectors. I don't even know
Speaker 1: that Randy would go after this thing. And he likes
Speaker 1: having everything. You know, you're you're also collected too. You're
Speaker 1: saying that you wouldn't go by this either.
Speaker 2: Right, So I mean I think for collectors they have
Speaker 2: to add some nostalgia for the system, right, I guess
Speaker 2: are the collectors would just buy everything.
Speaker 1: But and then also it's like, what are you going
Speaker 1: to charge for this thing? Plus it's like one hundred Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: That's fair, but yeah, I can charge like four.
Speaker 1: No, I mean you definitely can't, especially when, okay, you're
Speaker 1: only including one game. It's not even like you're including
Speaker 1: like a bunch of games. All this other stuff is
Speaker 1: going to be separate for you to buy, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, I think that's pretty much
Speaker 1: it for the episode here, unless you have anything else
Speaker 1: you wanted to Oh, I'm sorry, the games you're playing
Speaker 1: go ahead, yep.
Speaker 2: I started playing out Shadow Ring or Shadow the Tree
Speaker 2: with the end Alden Ring. But the big one is
Speaker 2: I got Rogue. I got Robocoperroakee City on PS five. Okay,
Speaker 2: I got his account because and it was funny because
Speaker 2: when I was downloading it, he only had put like
Speaker 2: thirty minutes into it before I said, oh fuck this, yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, so and he didn't like count played at all.
Speaker 2: I liked the game in theory, but if I was
Speaker 2: gonna give it a score, I would like score it
Speaker 2: two different ways i'd score, Like as a game, he'd
Speaker 2: probably be like seven or eight. On PS five, I'd
Speaker 2: scored like a four or five.
Speaker 1: Why is it that bad on a one?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It has a lot of technical problems. The big
Speaker 2: three I noticed were and this is a common thing,
Speaker 2: by the way, during cinematics, every time the camera shifts
Speaker 2: or the camera cut the actor or you know, the
Speaker 2: the NPC or whatever, character checkerboards for like a split second. Amazing,
Speaker 2: every single every single time. And the scheme has been
Speaker 2: out nine months and didn't fix it. Because I was
Speaker 2: looking up. I was like, am I going crazy? And
Speaker 2: I googled it and I'm like, no, everyone you know
Speaker 2: this reddit third is from nine months ago. And they
Speaker 2: even brought it at PENS and he was like, wow,
Speaker 2: they still didn't fix that, like because he noticed it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember this was like it was a
Speaker 1: really like well liked game when.
Speaker 2: It came, not a PS five. The other two problems
Speaker 2: actually three problems. Uh. One time it crashed my PS
Speaker 2: five hard, and I mean like an air I never
Speaker 2: saw before because normally, like when a game crashes, it's like,
Speaker 2: oh this the game software has reached an air or
Speaker 2: you know, an unexpected air this thing. I got to
Speaker 2: a point and I wanted to minimize the game for
Speaker 2: a seconds, so I hit the PS button and nothing happened,
Speaker 2: and I was like that's new. And I even hit
Speaker 2: the microphone button and that didn't like light up or anything,
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, I closed a game. I
Speaker 2: went to the main menu of the game, and then
Speaker 2: it closed itself and then it was like your system
Speaker 2: software has encountered an error. Wow, okay. It was like
Speaker 2: you need to reset, and I'm all right fine. Uh.
Speaker 2: During one cinematic one recent one, it was I'm watching
Speaker 2: like a newscast on the screen with this news reporter.
Speaker 2: It played halfway through and then I'm supposed to cut
Speaker 2: to like this mayor candidate talking, but instead of cutting,
Speaker 2: it just played as audio and the cut scene like
Speaker 2: basically like restarted itself or like you know, looked backer
Speaker 2: on and this new reporter talking again, and I was
Speaker 2: like yep, quality. And the last one was big. The
Speaker 2: big one. Actually, one of the big ones is the
Speaker 2: third level you're in. It's like really big like steel
Speaker 2: like Corey or steel factory or something like that, but
Speaker 2: it's like a really big environment. It's not like a
Speaker 2: corridor or anything like. It's like pretty out outdoors, And
Speaker 2: after ten minutes of plane the frame rate dropped to
Speaker 2: about twelve frames per second. Wow, which makes the mandatory
Speaker 2: sniping sequences in the game a whole lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm god.
Speaker 2: But the second you back out, are you going to
Speaker 2: like a building or something, because it loads into like
Speaker 2: another indoor building or environment sixty frames a second. Then
Speaker 2: it was just per right back up. I'd go outside
Speaker 2: and it would be fine for a little bit, but
Speaker 2: then drop down again.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's only the PS five version because the
Speaker 2: Xbox version seem's okay, or that's what I've read, and
Speaker 2: you know, it's been nine months and they're obviously not
Speaker 2: going to fix it, so that's cool. Yeah. I like it.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and reminds me of it reminds me of
Speaker 2: the first uh Dark City, the.
Speaker 1: Darkness okay, the darkness all right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Which is cool. And I like Proba cop so that helps.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess it is a PS five longcause I
Speaker 1: remember a lot of people on PC Xbox likeening a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't have that many problems. I guess psive just
Speaker 1: some reason got the that's a mess borked version there. Yep,
Speaker 1: I haven't really been. This is the first week that
Speaker 1: the other three weeks I've been playing at least something,
Speaker 1: this one I really haven't, so I'm gonna get back
Speaker 1: on that. But since we have a little bit of
Speaker 1: time before Astrobot comes and consumes my life until then, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, next week I'll definitely at least have one
Speaker 1: game to talk about here, yep. And yeah, speaking of
Speaker 1: games that are still coming though, of course, if you
Speaker 1: want to spend them going, sorry.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about Deadpool, didn't you?
Speaker 1: Oh well, we can do it quickly here. What do
Speaker 1: you think of the movie?
Speaker 2: It is good. I thought it's better than the second
Speaker 2: one personally, but it requires a lot of insider knowledge
Speaker 2: or like a lot of backup knowledge that if you
Speaker 2: don't have, is kind of screwed.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why you would watch this
Speaker 1: movie if you didn't at least have a cursory knowledge of.
Speaker 2: These it's the biggest movie, or you know, like, I'm
Speaker 2: sure there are a fair amount of people who saw
Speaker 2: it that like my mom, who somehow like Deadpool for
Speaker 2: like some ungobly known reason.
Speaker 1: Right, But I think if you watch the three Deadpool movies,
Speaker 1: I think you get most of it.
Speaker 2: You don't not at all, like because you're missing like
Speaker 2: Logan or you know, all the you know, right, but
Speaker 2: anciary characters that show up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're not getting the cameos and things like that.
Speaker 1: But I mean like you're getting most of the stuff.
Speaker 1: And then but yes they are putting in like the
Speaker 1: you know stuff with the TVA and other things. You know,
Speaker 1: there is uh that kind of stuff. There's shouts to
Speaker 1: the old you know, even older MCU films. You know.
Speaker 1: It is kind of like a sort of like them saying, oh,
Speaker 1: all this stuff is part of the MCU. Now it's
Speaker 1: not just the stuff that we name is the MCU,
Speaker 1: which is cool. Good that they're like canonizing all that
Speaker 1: stuff now that they own it. Obviously it helps. They
Speaker 1: probably into them that if they didn't own Fox. Let's
Speaker 1: be honest. I enjoyed it. It maybe laugh a lot.
Speaker 1: It has some good action. That's what you want out
Speaker 1: of a Deadpool movie. Hugh Jaffam to me, you know,
Speaker 1: great as Wolverine. Loved the joke about We're gonna make
Speaker 1: you do this to your ninety thing, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's probably like signed up for quite a few more movies.
Speaker 2: I doubt it. I think this kind of was it
Speaker 2: for him, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think he'll he'll make an appearance in one of
Speaker 1: the other MCUs and then I think they'll pass it off.
Speaker 1: I think that'll kind of be the point of one
Speaker 1: of these Avengers movies is they'll they'll pass it off
Speaker 1: to a younger generation before we get to like that
Speaker 1: last Avengers six or whatever, because I mean they have
Speaker 1: to if they want to keep it going. Like these
Speaker 1: people cannot possibly keep going.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, like yeah, more Wolverine movies in his future.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you and Robert Downey Junior, like he
Speaker 1: cannot keep just being in these movies. Like a some
Speaker 1: point they're gonna have to like let a new generation.
Speaker 1: I mean they're trying to do that already with all
Speaker 1: these other ones. But I mean, now you're gonna have
Speaker 1: Chris Evans show up again, whether it's whichever form he's
Speaker 1: gonna take, You're gonna have all these other people come in.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that we're in the other movies that now
Speaker 1: they've kind of tried to move past of so I
Speaker 1: mean even Tom Holland is starting to get to the
Speaker 1: point where he's like, Okay, I'm not gonna do Spider
Speaker 1: Man for the rest of my life either, So you know,
Speaker 1: they got to figure out something. But I think as
Speaker 1: a as a kind of like a this is it
Speaker 1: kind of thing to the Fox movies and like the
Speaker 1: original Deadpool stuff, I thought that was that was great,
Speaker 1: Like that was fun. It deserves the big money that
Speaker 1: it got or whatever, you know. So yeah, I'm happy
Speaker 1: that it didn't, you know, because everybody was worried about it.
Speaker 1: If this movie doesn't do well, where's the MCU gonna
Speaker 1: be at now? And thankfully it it did do well.
Speaker 1: It seems like that they can kind of be okay
Speaker 1: with what's going forward.
Speaker 2: So we'll see next next week when it hits digital,
Speaker 2: we can talk about the border Lines movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's just ridiculous that I think it's already
Speaker 1: hitting digital. Absolutely insane. No, it's it is just from
Speaker 1: the fact of like, wow, it was that bad. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it was that bad that it didn't even last more
Speaker 1: than like a week until it just bombed and when
Speaker 1: only made like fifty million world wide or something.
Speaker 2: Ridiculous, crazy, mad you know.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, start really quick because I gotta start working again.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 1: For the stuff that's coming out this week, already mentioned it.
Speaker 1: If you want to go get Star Wars Outlaws early,
Speaker 1: you can, or you can just wait till the thirtieth
Speaker 1: when it comes out. For everybody, I would recommend don't
Speaker 1: spend that extra thirty dollars. It's just your wasting money. Well,
Speaker 1: the Warcraft also comes out, the new expansion I'm hoping
Speaker 1: to get a cub that's coming out. Corekeeper also coming
Speaker 1: out that looks pretty interesting in the game there as well.
Speaker 1: Risk of Brain two is coming to console.
Speaker 2: And they also on there is already on console, honestly.
Speaker 1: Well, it shows that there's coming out to PS five.
Speaker 2: And modern console. Okay, yeah, and then then.
Speaker 1: The DLC will come out after with that as well.
Speaker 1: The EMMO Smiling Man Famicom story thing for Switch also
Speaker 1: comes out. Gundam Breaker four also comes out as well
Speaker 1: on the twenty ninth. That looks cool. If you like
Speaker 1: Gundam's definitely go check that out. A Vampire Survivors comes
Speaker 1: to PS four and PS five. You haven't played that yet,
Speaker 1: definitely go do this. Terrific game and business of Mana
Speaker 1: also comes out this week, a game that I feel
Speaker 1: like we people have not talked about enough. It's like
Speaker 1: really going under the radar here. I wonder how well
Speaker 1: it's gonna do sales wise, right on that front. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I hope it does well, because you know, I don't
Speaker 1: like seeing those games just kind of like come out
Speaker 1: and do nothing. But we'll see, uh yeah, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna be hitting September. It's gonna be some big
Speaker 1: games coming out for them, but uh, that'll be for
Speaker 1: next week. Until then, everybody, see you later later,