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Speaker 1: Welcome to the God's I View podcast. I am your host, Trevor.

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I wanted to get another episode in the books asap

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so that the most recent episode isn't my random theological screed,

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which was the last episode. You know, it's just been fun.

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I've been arguing with my friend. What's better. I think

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for me, a peak male friendship is somebody I can

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just argue with about science or theology. I argue with

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my boss at work about science, and I argue with

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my seventh day I'd be his friend about religion. It's

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kind of nice, you know. I feel like Plato or

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Socrates just out there arguing. Maybe with that all the

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young young male. Was it Socrates up to some shenanigans?

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I don't know, but yeah, just just just as nice

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to just intellectually joust. That's one of the things I'm

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into for some reason. Anyway, those arguments have been going strong,

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kind of flushing out what I think about stuff. It's interesting.

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I've been in communications with an Orthodox church by me,

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probably the most well known Orthodox priest in the internet

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space happens to have a church nearby. They've been super nice.

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You know what it is though, It's just something about

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I'm attracted to the seriousness of it, but it is

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kind of shocking for somebody like me, been an atheist

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nearly my whole life, never really been to church. I

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mean a few times here or there, you know, somebody's

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funeral and that's not really a service, or with a

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friend whose parents said we had to go a couple

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times as a kid. And then I have a few

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family members who are more on the evangelical side, so

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I've been a few times with them, and that's kind

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of just like going to like a concert. You know,

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it's not very serious. He can address the same but

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there's like protocol at an Orthodox church. There's like stuff

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you got to know, and it's very serious, and it

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makes me a little uncomfortable. So I don't know if

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I'll really work up the courage to go. I want

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to see it, you know, it looks beautiful in the

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pictures and it's again very serious, which I like, but

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I'm also afraid of does that make sense anyway? In

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kind of new format for the show, I think I

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might play two clips, one more scientific, one more theological,

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and kind of historical historically interesting in my opinion. But

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first personal anecdote I'm onto some good stuff at work

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right now, kind of exploring some really cool hypotheses. I

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won't get too into it because it's boring and it's

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not the topics we talk about, but just exploring some

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interesting side effects of certain types of blood pressure medications,

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because here's my thought process, right. You can learn a

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lot about a disease that's somewhat unrelated to the intended

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treatment effect of different medications just by virtue of what

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those medications do and how they work. You know, for example,

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there seems to be like certain blood pressure medications on

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the surface don't seem related at all, that keep amyloid

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and tao, the Alzheimer's disease biomarkers. They keep amyloid soluble,

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which is what you want, and they keep tao insoluble,

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which is what you want. You want tao in your

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neurons healthy and normal, and you want amyloid in your

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CSF healthy and normal. Should those twain? Should those two meet,

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you know, or whatever the expression is, that's not good.

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And there are certain blow pressure medications that prevent that

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from happening, but they're in different drug classes. You know.

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It's like a drug in this class a drug in

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that class, a drug in this class. So my thought

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process was, why not figure out what those drugs have

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in common? And there is this biological pathway that they

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all have in common. So to me, it's like, well,

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clearly that's an interesting biological pathway, you know, and no

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one's really studied it. And sure enough, I'm looking at

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like millions of health records. I'm looking at these big

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observational data sets where like five thousand people have had

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lumbar punctures and had cerebral spinal fluid pulled out, and

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I can go look at their meds, and sure enough,

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the ones taking these certain meds do better. And so

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it's like, well, if we figure out what that mechanism is,

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because clearly it's not like a well established thing that

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they do, you know, because the drugs all do different things,

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so they have some shared side effect that's beneficial. And

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so there's two implications there. One is, you know, all

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other things being equal, if the side effects of two

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drugs are the same, and it's an older person, especially

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if someone's genetically predisposed to Alzheimer's, give them the drug

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that will prevent Alzheimer's, you know, assuming they have hypertension,

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which most people do so, especially in that agridge. So

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so that that's pretty exciting. But then the more exciting

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thing is, well, if we figure out that specific pathway,

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you know, potentially you could come up with a better

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you know whatever drug or biomarker, you know something. It's

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something new for the billions and billions of dollars we've

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invested into Alzheimer's and come up with zilch. It's very

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exciting to have a new idea. And of course my

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grants are all linguishing. They all got good scores, but

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they're just sitting unpaid. It's an issue anyway. Moving on though,

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we're going to uh, we're gonna get into some stuff,

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starting with our friend Trent Horn. Now I've got some

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I like Trent. It's one of these things, you know,

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you become an Internet personality all of a sudden, everyone

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needs to have an opinion about you, right, and apparently

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I need to have an opinion about this guy. So

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I think he's very smart. I think he does a

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really good job articulating his positions. I do think he's

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kind of inconsistent, and I think one of the ways

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he's very good is that he can really kind of

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steamroll you. And he's a quick thinker, but he is fair.

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I'm not He's not a bully. I'm just saying he

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can kind of like ba up, bat up, bat up,

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but up. And as far as theology goes, I mean,

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it seems pretty cool. I'm not a Catholic, you know,

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but everything seems pretty cool that he says makes sense.

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But he wades into politics, and I'm okay with that.

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I'm okay with waiting into politics. But once you wade

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into politics, it's like, I don't know, like you can't

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the things you decide to talk about and not talk about.

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It's like of telling, you know. And he ownes in

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on really specific issues. And there's a lot of political

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issues that are that have religious significance, one of them

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being war. You know, he doesn't really talk about that

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as far as I know. One of them being you know,

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corruption and abuse and secret sexual abuse and all this stuff, right,

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he doesn't really talk about He he kind of talks

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about one thing, which is the trans stuff. And that's okay.

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I think I kind of agree with him, you know,

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I just I don't the selectivity is kind of odd

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to me. I don't know, a lot of people don't

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like him because he's not political enough, so you can't

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make everybody happy. And you know, I don't really like

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talking about politics at all for that reason. But I am.

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I am actually going to wait and this water ever

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so slightly. And this is more just a personal story

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than a political opinion. But it will probably turn into

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a political opinion at some point in the next five minutes.

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But the culture war trans stuff, you know, doesn't really

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affect me, you know, like I don't encounter it much.

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in the email or whatever. It's fine. I think it's

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kind of weird, you know, but you know, trying to

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be whatever, get along and and no one's making me

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do it, so that's fine, you know what I mean.

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That's really my politics. You know. I won't make you

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do anything. You don't make me do anything. Once people

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start making me do stuff, it's like, all right, now

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I have an opinion. Now I'm upset, but you leave

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me alone. I'll leave you alone. All good. But I

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had a business. My wife had a business. She had

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a big warehouse, you know, like five thousand square feet,

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and then I was running a little business as well.

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We were roasting coffee and I was also working full time,

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and like healthcare, I think I've talked on the past

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episode all the businesses I've started, I forgot to mention

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that one. You know, that's how many there are. Anyway,

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So it was roasting coffee, making bottled beverages, and I

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needed help. So we decided to hire somebody, and so

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we did like the I don't know indeed or whatever,

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and someone applied and she did not really interview well,

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but she seemed nice. You know, I'm a subt dude.

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If you're nice, I'm a sucker. She seemed kind of sad.

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You know, she's pretty overweight, you know, just mind so

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am I you know, I'm getting better, I'm getting there.

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I'm getting back on track. But uh, anyway, man, if

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you could have seen me when I was twenty good lord,

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good lord. Anyway, anyway, that times change, times are changing. Anyway.

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So she's you know, kind of over which seems depressed.

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you know, kind of has a shorter haircut, but definitely

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a woman. You know, this is like a youngish woman,

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twenty two maybe something like that, we hire her. She's

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working in the warehouse alone, and I come by every

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once in a while, like in between zoom calls and

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stuff to do my own thing, like make a delivery

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or whatever. And so I come in and I noticed

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that she's falling her eyes out, she's crying. I'm leaving

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out one detail, which is the day prior I was

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training her on how to roast coffee. And I said

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to my friend, who was helping her because he's also

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a coffee roaster, Hey, why don't you show her how

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to do this? And she goes, oh, excuse me. I

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go by they them, and I was like, oh, I

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never had that experience in real life, you know, I've

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only ever heard about this. I was excited. I felt

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like an experience, you know. So I was like, of course,

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I'm sorry, you know, why don't you show them or whatever?

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Which is fine because like sometimes I even talk that

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way anyway, you know, like I think I feel like

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I've even been corrected as a kid, like anyway, I

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mean there's situations where the it doesn't make sense like dramatically,

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you know, but okay, whatever, So I say, sure, no problem.

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I was kind of caught off guard. I just want

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everybody to be happy. I'm that guy. You know. If

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you hate me for that, I'm sorry anyway. But as

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soon as someone tells me to put the them in

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my email or him, he man like, dude, that actually

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kind of upsets me. So I have a lot. It's

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more about autonomy. That's really my issue anyway. So I say, sure,

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no problems. So the next day she's they she I'm

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gonna say, she I all forgot, I'm gonna mess it up.

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She is crying her eyes out, and I'm like, hey,

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is everything going okay? She goes, yeah, I just I'm

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having a really hard time with my boyfriend. He's thinking

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of breaking up with me because his dad is just

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devastated that he came out as homosexual. And now I'm

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really confused because here is a woman, an adult woman,

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who boyfriend is thinking about breaking up with her because

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he came out as gay. So kind of my assumption

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is that he's realized he's gay and wants to break

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up with this woman to date a man, you know,

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but I don't know. These are treacherous waters. I'm like, okay, oh,

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I'm so sorry. She goes, yeah, he's never met me.

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Oh my god, this is real. You can't make this.

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I'm devastated that no one was there with me. I

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tell this story. No one else thinks that's as funny

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as I do. To me, it's like Seinfeld level, like

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just peak absurdity. She goes, yeah, he's never met me,

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but you know, his son told him that he's in

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a gay relationship. And I'm like, now, I don't understand. Anyway,

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I'm gonna cut to the chase because I didn't really

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confront her on the issue. I just said I'm so sorry.

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But here's what I was able to reverse engineer after

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the fact. Right, Okay, So here is a father, you know,

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normal father. His son comes to him and goes, Dad,

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I'm a gay man. I'm in a gay relationship and

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I'm gay. And the dad's like what what? He didn't

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handle it? Well, I can't believe it, like I've you've

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always been into you know, women. I don't understand. Here's

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the thing. He's gay because he's in a relationship with

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a non binary person. Do you understand. So here, when

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he says he's gay, what he means is he's having Uh,

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if there's kids in the car, you know, cover the years,

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this is gonna get biologically anatomical. But he's he's having

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vaginal sex with a woman, right of vaginal sex in

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the vagina, and a woman that came that way from

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the factory, right, Like, this is a born a woman

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anatomically is still that same, you know, you know, born

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a girl, still a woman, an adult woman. You know,

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am I'm making sense? Am I making sense? It's the

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most typical sexual relationship you can possibly imagine, right, it's

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an adult male and an adult woman engaging in consensual

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activities with one another. But because the adult woman identifies

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as that they them, the son confessed his homosexuality to

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his father. Upset. I'm like, you got to give me

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this guy's DAS number so I can just explain. Like, listen,

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here's what's going on. Your son is very confused. He's

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really looking to like have an issue, you know, because

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here's what's really going on, your son, an adult man

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is having consensual sex with an adult woman. This is

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what's actually happening right now, you know, Oh my god. Anyway,

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here's the only reason why am I telling this story.

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I have no idea why I'm telling this story anyway,

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But it does have an interesting ending. Our business closed

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down as it inevitably would, and I treated this individual

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with the utmost respect and dignity, Thank you very much.

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I actually kind of felt I don't know, I felt

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I was confused. I was confused by the situation because

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I think you could argue I'm not arguing this, so

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don't send me any emails. This is not me talking.

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argue that it isn't necessarily correct or good or even

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in the person's interest to a firm certain psychological issues.

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but let's use some other examples that are clearly psychological issues,

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like anorexia, okay, or multiple personality disorder. Right, if someone

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personality disorders? What what is the right thing to do? Morally, medically? Everything?

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It is? Okay, Hey, listen, this happens. But we need

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to deal with this. You know, we need to talk

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to a professional, and we need to we need to

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sort of incorporate these personalities. We need to get you

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back on track. You're one person with one personality, you know,

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or anorexia, like, hey, we understand you're struggling with this

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and you feel fat, but you're not. You're actually significantly

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underweight and you're doing long term damage to your body.

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would never affirm those things, like imagine, imagine an anorex

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that came to you and it's like, I feel fat,

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like I identify as fat. You'd be psychotic to say, yeah,

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you know what, I support that you are fat. You

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are fat, amen, sister, you know, and in fact, here's

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a pill that will further suppress your hunger so that

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you more closely resemble you know, the way you feel.

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so the right thing to do is affirm you here's

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a GLP one agonist semaglue tide ozempic and uh yeah,

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we got to get you scale. You need to lose

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some weight. You know, it would just be crazy anyway,

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some people, not me, Absolutely not me. How dare you

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even insinuate this is what I'm saying because I'm not.

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you know, if you're confused, you feel certain way you

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could say, well, really, the only appropriate thing to do

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is to kind of coach this person like, well, no,

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you know that's that's not the case. You know, this

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is this is how you're born. And you know, it

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is true that within each gender there is sort of

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a spectrum, right, there are more masculine and more feminine men.

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They're even gay men, which is a separate topic. But

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there is sort of the spectrum. But that spectrum does

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not transcend anatomy, right, And we would never try to

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change your physiology or actually change your anatomical structure surgically

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to to make that happen, unless unless there really is

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some kind of like sexual dimorphism thing going on. Some

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people are born with unclear genitalia, you know, so that

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would be a different thing. But the vast majority that's

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not the case. Wow, we're really going into it. I

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wasn't expecting to do this. Why am I doing this? Oh?

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I think just to finish the story, which is I

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ran into her recently beautiful adult woman, long hair, you know,

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wearing female clothes instead of male clothes, saying she and

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her and me and my boyfriend, you know, like complete

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just complete resolution, you know what I mean, Just so

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much happier, so happy, and it's like, well, yeah, it's

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clearly like you were going through something, you know, and

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it's sad and you should be comforted. That's why I

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don't believe in being mean. I see a lot of

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people who are mean to this group of people. I

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don't think that's the way to go. I think these

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people are you know, they're suffering. Now. They can't upset

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people to hear that, right, So I generally try to

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avoid the topic. But here we are, here we are.

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Why am I talking about this? Oh? Just because this

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is a topic. Trent also like, so I do agree

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with him. I just think it's weird to only talk

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about like but here, I just did it. I just

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did it. Oh am, I'm a hypocrite, you know the

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you know the this is the line. I've said this before.

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But the reason I don't go to church is because

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it's filled with hypocrites. And then the rejoinder is, yes,

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but there's room for one more. Okay, that will be

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the segue too. Talking about today's clip, did you guys

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think the story was funny at least? Like do you

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see the absurd humor in it? Like the boy crying

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telling his boomer dad like, Dad, I'm a gay man.

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And the dad's like, oh, son, why you know, I

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just wanted a grandson. And what's his name? Oh? Well

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his name is Tiffany. And and he's like, Tiffany, is

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that his stay your name? No, no, that's their name. Okay?

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they don't go by he Actually, you know, they were

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assigned female at birth and they go by they assigned

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female at birth, you say, and so they've they've had

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a like a transition surgery. No, no, no, totally you know,

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biologically female, but identifies it. Okay, Okay, So what you're

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telling me, son, is you are in a gay relationship

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with a woman. No, Dad, I'm in a gay relationship

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with a non binary person. Good Lord, No wonder the boomers.

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The boomers hate my generation, so confusing. Anyway, today's episode

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is what is God's Name? Unrelated to what I've been

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talking about for the last twenty minutes, here we go.

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Speaker 2: Did you know that God's name is so sacred that

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Catholics aren't allowed to say it in certain contexts? So

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in today's episode, we'll examine the three thousand year old

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mystery of God's name, when it can and can't be said,

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and which religious groups still misunderstand God's name and identity today. Now,

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right off the bat, you should know God's personal name

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isn't God, just as the President's personal name isn't mister President.

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The word God comes from an Old German word meaning

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the invoked one. Now, a believer can use the title

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God as a kind of name and refer to God

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in that way, such as in the Liturgy of the

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Hours when we pray, Oh God, come to my assistance,

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Oh Lord, make haste to help me. But scripture reveals

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God's personal name in Exodus chapter three, when it describes

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Moses encountering God in the burning bush. It says, then

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Moses said to God, if I come to the people

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of Israel and say to them, the God of your

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father's has sent me to you, and they ask me,

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what is his name, what shall I say to them?

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God said to Moses, I am who I am, And

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he said, say this to the people of Israel, I

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am has sent me to you.

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Speaker 1: The Friend. So I think that is kind of interesting,

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because we had that those two episodes we did on

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whether or not Jesus claim to be God. So the

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actual name that's given to Moses by God is I Am.

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I Am, And so I think that's fascinating. I can't

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explain why exactly, but to me that is fascinating. He says,

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what is your name? And the name is Bean, like

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Bean is what I am. I do notice a lot

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of like kind of new age collective consciousness. People sort

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of use this like the Kingdom of Heaven is within

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you that Jesus talks about, and to kind of say

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like that we are all a peace of God. And

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I don't think that's totally wrong, right, because God breathes

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his breath into dust to make us in the Garden story,

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so it kind of implies there is something from God

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in us, and that's reiterated throughout the Bible. When you die,

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you give up the ghosts and it goes back to

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God until the resurrection. Now this is a theological hot

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topic actually what I just said, but believe it there.

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But I didn't realize that the name Yahweh, which is

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kind of traditionally thought of as the name of the

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of God in the Old Testament, might actually come We'll

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let Trent explain it, but might actually come from the

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same word. So it could be that God's name really

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is just I am being itself. Right. It's possible. Now

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we don't know that for sure, but we'll let's let trin.

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Speaker 2: Exwain he ay as I am who I am is

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aah aa and Hebrew. In verse fifteen, the word rendered

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i am comes from four consonants rendered yh wh in English.

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Speaker 1: So the word that means I am is the word

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that we what's it called the something a graham yhwh.

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There's a name for it, but you know there's no vowels,

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but we think you pronounce it yahweh. It's the name

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is actually just I am, you know. And it's okay

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to say names in your language like in English, you know,

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because I am is Hebrew. You know yhwh ancient Hebrew.

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But you know it has a different, different name in Greek,

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you know. Or what? Actually, no, I don't I think

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yahweh never gets I think it always is just. I

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don't know. We'll let try and explain. But but the

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point is, like, you know, we don't say here in America,

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we don't say at an eye, which means lord. We

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say lord. You know, we don't say dios we say God,

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and so I think it is kind of just cool

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to just say I am, like like that's God's name,

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you know, like God's name is just the act of being,

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like just ah, I need a better word for it,

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you know, because his name, because I am is that's

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like a statement, that's a I'm sure there's a better

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literary term for it. Is that a preposition? No, I

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don't know, but it doesn't. It's not a moniker, like,

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it's not like sarah, you know. It Actually it means something.

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And so I think it would be totally acceptable to

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just think of God's name as I am, which I

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think is really really cool.

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Speaker 2: Most scholars believe this word naa come from the same

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root haya, which means to be. In John A fifty eight,

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Jesus uses the divine name to describe himself because he says, truly, truly,

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I say to you. Before Abraham was I am or

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in Greek ago ame. In earlier parts of the Old Testament,

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God's personal name was spoken frequently, but after the Babylonian Captivity,

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Jewish people became much more hesitant to say God's name

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for fear of breaking the second commandment, you shall not

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take the name of the Lord, your God in vain,

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for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes

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his name in vain. The Talmud records a tradition that

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the high priest only uttered God's name once a year

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during Yam Kapor, the day of Atonement. When the Hebrew

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Bible was translated into Greek, the word curios or lord

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was often used in place of the divine name. By

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the time of Jesus Ministry, this was a widespread practice,

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with the Hebrew word for Lord, Adonai, replacing God's name

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when scripture was read aloud. This became universal practice among

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Jews after the destruction of the Temple in eighty seventy,

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and in the medieval period, Jewish scribes added the vowel

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points for Adonai to yh wh to remind readers to

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say Adonai and not God's name. Christian scholars, who weren't

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familiar with this notation, thought the consonants and vowels belong together,

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so when they translated it into Latin, we would get

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God's name as yhwh, the vowels ah oh i, leading

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to the word Yahovah or Jehovah. Though the spelling gets interesting,

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as you may remember in this scene from Indiana Jones

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in the Last Crusade where Indy has to step on

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stones to spell God's name to get to the Holy Grail, Jovah.

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Speaker 1: But in the latinow for a bit, Jehovah begins with

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an eye. Oh, we gotta help the YouTube by answering

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one question, and we're not gonna do it.

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Speaker 2: Indian ends up correcting his error and spells Jehovah with

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an eye because, as is Dad correctly noted, Latin used

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an eye because the letter J did not exist until

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the seventeenth.

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Speaker 1: I think this is kind of wild that Jehovah is

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actually not see this is I to me, this makes

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sense because it's always struck me as odd that God

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would have a personal name. I mean, he's this incomprehensible,

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unfathomable force that just brought order out of chaos, and

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he spoke time and space into existence, and he's got

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a name like he's got a moniker, he's got a

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Hebrew moniker that can be translated to English. I mean no,

466
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he's like the essence itself. He is the act of being.

467
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So I think this is cool, Like I kind of

468
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,240
like learning that his name might just be I am.

469
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And it's kind of interesting if you read the passage,

470
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because it's like Moses is like, what do I call you?

471
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And he just goes, I am what I am? You know,

472
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,400
I'm God. He doesn't say God, but that's how we

473
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,720
would describe what he's saying, right, God is a symbol

474
00:31:51,759 --> 00:32:00,599
we would use for like incomprehensible, unlike ineffable, what I means, right,

475
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:03,240
And so he just goes, I am what I am?

476
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,839
And then it like almost like just appealing to the

477
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:07,880
fact that there's this little human in front of him

478
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,920
looking for like a Matt or a Steve, you know

479
00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:14,480
whatever the Hebrew version is of that name, like what

480
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,319
you know what, he's just looking for a moniker. He goes,

481
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:20,240
you know what, tell him, tell him I am sent

482
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:25,599
to you, And it just sounds like just some mysterious

483
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:33,720
like timeless ancient power is just like condescending to Moses,

484
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:38,599
like just tell him I'm being itself, you know, like

485
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,720
how else how else would you describe it? And I

486
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,880
just think it's cool. And then I think it's funny

487
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,279
that Jehovah is maybe just like a misinterpretation of Yahweh

488
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,279
or yhwh In century before that time, Latin used an I,

489
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,720
even for names like Julius Caesar. In fifteen twenty four,

490
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:03,920
Gian Giorgio Trasina proposed an elongated eye to represent jay sounds,

491
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though it took a while for his idea to catch on,

492
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,759
as can be seen in the first fifteen ninety seven

493
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,720
edition of Romeo and Juliet being spelled with an I,

494
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:14,720
and the sixteen eleven edition of the King James Bible

495
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,240
spelled Jehovah with an I, but by sixteen twenty nine

496
00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:20,880
the KJV rendered Jehovah with a jay as we know

497
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,119
it today, but most Bibles in Church history followed the

498
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,240
Jewish tradition of not translating God's name and instead used

499
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the word Lord or Dominus in Latin. After the Reformation,

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Protestant scholars attempted to go back to the sources for

501
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,359
their biblical studies and believed Jehovah was the correct pronunciation

502
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:42,200
of the divine name. However, by the late eighteen hundred,

503
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:46,599
scholars like Wilhelm Gesenius used archaeology, textual study, and early

504
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,000
Christian sources to show the divine name sounded more like

505
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,240
Yahweh than Jehovah, and now scholars have settled on Yahweh

506
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,640
being closer to the original pronunciation. But in the late

507
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,680
nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, one group group was still

508
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:04,559
firmly committed to God's name being pronounced Jehovah, and you

509
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,680
can probably guess which group I'm talking about. In eighteen

510
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,840
seventy four, Charles Tays Russell, a self described Bible student,

511
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taught that several Christian doctrines on hell and the soul

512
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,159
were wrong and that Christ had invisibly returned to Earth

513
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,159
in eighteen seventy four. By eighteen eighty two, Russell had

514
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,800
published Zion's Watchtower, which openly denied the Trinity, saying the

515
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,039
incomprehensible doctrine of Trinity was of papal decree, now without

516
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:32,760
any foundation in scripture. Russell's text also frequently refers to

517
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,239
the true God as Jehovah, who exists apart from Christ,

518
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:38,960
who is not the one true God but merely a

519
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,280
God or an exalted creature. In nineteen thirty one, the

520
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,039
organization's president, Joseph Rutherford, changed the group's name to the

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Jehovah's Witnesses. In order to distinguish them from other competing

522
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,119
Bible student groups. According to the Jovah's Witnesses, it is

523
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important not only to know but also to use that name.

524
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,119
Why because the Bible tells us everyone who calls the

525
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,199
name of Jehovah will be saved. But Romans ten thirteen,

526
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the verse this author references, does not say everyone who

527
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calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved. It

528
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says everyone who calls on the name of the Lord

529
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,199
will be saved, or in Greek, everyone who calls on

530
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,039
the name of the courier will be saved. The name

531
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Jehovah or any variation of that name like Yahweh, is

532
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,639
not found in any New Testament manuscripts, which brings us

533
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:27,039
to one of the oddest features of the Jehovah's Witnesses

534
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,719
New World Translation of the Bible. Whenever the word Lord

535
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,639
or curios is found in the New Testament, the New

536
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:37,760
World Translation renders it Jehovah, with a few curious exceptions.

537
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,880
Look how the New World Translation renders Romans ten. For

538
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,079
if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus's Lord,

539
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,880
and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him

540
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,679
up from the dead. You will be saved. For everyone

541
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,559
who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.

542
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,280
If the New World translation were consistent, it would render

543
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,159
Romans ten nine this way. For if you publicly declare

544
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:01,679
with your mouth that Jesus is Jehovah, and exercise faith

545
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,760
in your heart that God raised him up from the dead,

546
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,360
you will be saved. But the Jehovah's witnesses translation can't do.

547
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,159
I was having a conversation with my friend today about like,

548
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,719
the way you translate things there is I'm not one

549
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,519
of these people who thinks, like, oh, the Bible has

550
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:21,360
been translated a million different times and it's not reliable.

551
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,280
I don't think that at all. I think that's silly.

552
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:27,679
I think that's uh. You know, as far as two

553
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,920
thousand year old books for the New Testament go, there

554
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:38,679
is no more reliable document than the New Testament in

555
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:44,480
that category of ancient ancient books. However, the interpretation, the

556
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:49,679
way that certain words are chosen to be translated it

557
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,519
it does mean a lot, especially when the same word

558
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:57,159
is translated differently, sometimes even in the same sentence, like that,

559
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,719
you know, lord or whatever. The original Greek is is

560
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,920
Lord in one spot and Jehovah and another spot? And

561
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:09,480
it's because the translators go, well earlier, this is clearly

562
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:13,159
a title. So let's say Lord, whereas here to name,

563
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:17,280
so let's say Jehovah. But this is sort of this

564
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,280
is only implied. You know, this is sort of editorializing.

565
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,280
And I had a long conversation because there's probably the

566
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:32,480
most controversial sentence in the Bible for inter denominational debate.

567
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,119
Is I got to google the full thing? Do you

568
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:42,239
know what it is? Can you guess? Can you guess?

569
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:48,800
It has to do with Peter? It has to do

570
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,239
with Peter. Sorry, I'm just stalling for time. Okay, let's

571
00:37:54,239 --> 00:38:01,239
do Matthew sixteen seventeen. Is that it? Yes? Okay, this

572
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,559
isn't right though, this is NIV, which should be good. Right.

573
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:07,159
Oh no, no, this is it? This is it? Okay,

574
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:09,280
I was on the wrong passage. Okay, So we're gonna

575
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:15,079
start with Matthew sixteen seventeen. Jesus replied, Simon is just declared.

576
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You know that he is who he says he is. Right,

577
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So Jesus replies, blessed are you, Simon, son of Jonah?

578
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,280
For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood,

579
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but but my Father in Heaven. And then Matthew sixteen eighteen,

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00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:38,079
what is this website doing? Okay? And I tell you

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that you are Peter, and on this rock I will

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00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:44,559
build my church, and the gates of Hades will not

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00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,400
overcome it. I will give you the keys of the

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00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,599
Kingdom of Heaven. So Catholics and Orthodox see this as

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00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:56,719
like a declaration. And the reason is because Peter, or

586
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,440
the Greek Petros or the Aramaics, I think it's Kephis

587
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:08,360
means rock. And so oh, there's a little footnote here.

588
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:14,079
What controversial thing does this say? Yeah, oh, it says

589
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:17,079
the Greek word for Peter means rock. So what's interesting

590
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:23,119
is is Peter it was not like Peter is today, right,

591
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:27,039
Like there's not ten Peters in your town. It is.

592
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,599
It's a name that literally means rock. So you could

593
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,440
read the sentence two other ways. You could read it.

594
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,079
And I tell so Jesus is changing his name from Simon,

595
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:42,239
and he goes. I tell you that you are Peter,

596
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,239
and on this rock or sorry, and on this Peter,

597
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,280
I will build my church. It's the same word. This

598
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,199
is the point. And so if you call it, you

599
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,119
can do it as a moniker in one spot and

600
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:56,360
as an actual object in another spot. But it's the

601
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,519
same word. So you could say I, and I tell

602
00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:01,639
you that you are Rock, and on this rock I

603
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:03,320
will build my church. Or you can say, and I

604
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,239
tell you that you are Peter, and on this Peter,

605
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,880
I will build my church. Or you can say, and

606
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,079
I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock,

607
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:14,360
I will build my church. And so Catholics and Orthodox

608
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:20,400
understandably see this as like Jesus saying, Peter, I'm giving

609
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,119
you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and you

610
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,119
are forming my church on earth, and the gates of

611
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:28,360
Hell will not prevail against it. And because Catholics and

612
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,159
Orthodox can sort of trace their Apostolic secession back to

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00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:37,639
these this group of disciples, they feel like one of

614
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:43,480
them is the church that Jesus established on earth. Every

615
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:47,840
other Christian group feels like, no, that's not right. You know,

616
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,519
this is just like an expression or And it's funny

617
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:54,360
because it is the group who like literally, you know,

618
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,920
they they care much more deeply about the literal words

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of the Bible than that would be the claim that

620
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,199
the Catholics do, but they say, no, he's talking about

621
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,599
Peter's Declaration of Faith, because the sentence prior Peter says

622
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,239
you are the Messiah, the son of the Living God,

623
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and Jesus says, it's that type of it's that type

624
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:18,519
of thinking, you know, it's that type of thought upon

625
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:22,079
which I will build my church. But I think the

626
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:26,440
more natural reading is blessed are you, Simon, son of Jonah.

627
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:29,000
For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood,

628
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,119
but but my Father in Heaven, and I tell you

629
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:36,920
that you are Peter Rock. And on this rock I

630
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,840
will build my church, and the gates of Hades will

631
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:45,320
not overcome it. And I will give you, Peter, not

632
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:53,000
some like non descript spiritual energy or like a vibe.

633
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:56,039
I will give you, Peter, the keys to the Kingdom

634
00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:59,519
of Heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound

635
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:04,079
in heaven. So anyway, so that is like the big

636
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:07,559
that's the big Catholic Protestant Orthodox divide for those who

637
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:15,119
don't know my opinion. My opinion is that it's hard

638
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:20,880
for me to believe that Jesus's church popped up in

639
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:26,679
the sixteenth century, right because clearly Jesus is establishing a

640
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,320
church right here in thirty AD in this passage, right,

641
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:34,800
if you take this all literally, he's establishing a church

642
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,880
right here in this moment. In those apostles, they go

643
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,639
out and they found churches all over the Roman Empire,

644
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:49,599
and the religion spreads, and that church continues today. It

645
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:54,119
didn't go away, right, It's still here. And so there's

646
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,320
only two organizations that technically fit that description that went

647
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,639
from this moment to today, and that's the Catholic and

648
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,519
Orthodox Church, because they have Apostolic secession all the way

649
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:11,639
back to the first Apostles, and they were there, they

650
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:15,960
were the churches during this time, and then the Protestants came,

651
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:18,639
you know, much later in the sixteenth century, I think,

652
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,559
and so I think it makes sense like the Catholic

653
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:26,639
Church was doing the wrong thing. I think we all agree, right,

654
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,360
a lot of problems, and so they wanted to reform it.

655
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:32,440
That's why it was called the Protestant Reformation. But I

656
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,239
think the point is they didn't reform it. They started

657
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,840
their own church. So therefore it's not the church that

658
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:41,760
goes back anyway, not that man, is there anyone. I'm

659
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,239
not offending tonight. I just think it's interesting, it's cool.

660
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,840
It's history. This is where we come from, man, this

661
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,519
is where the Western world comes from. A paragraph right here.

662
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,880
It's pretty cool, all right. Anyway, back to our cool

663
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:03,400
clip from Drendham. Sorry too that because Jehovah's witnesses deny

664
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:06,320
Jesus is the true God. Oh my God, that whole

665
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,880
story just came from the fact that that Jehovah witness

666
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,239
translation translates Jehovah inconsistently.

667
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,519
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry God, or that he is Jehovah, even

668
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:19,320
though the New Testament identifies Jesus with the god called

669
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,559
Yahweh in the Old Testament. In John chapter twelve, John

670
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:26,480
describes how some of the people's unbelief fulfilled the prophecy

671
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:29,639
of the suffering servant in Isaiah fifty three, Lord who

672
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:32,320
has believed our report? And to whom has the arm

673
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,119
of the Lord been revealed? John twelve forty one then

674
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:39,440
says Isaiah said this because he saw his glory and

675
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:43,119
spoke of him. The pronouns his and him ow too

676
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:46,960
in Greek refer to Jesus, but the incident John is

677
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,480
referring to is found in Isaiah chapter six, where Isaiah

678
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:53,880
has a vision of God of Yahweh on his throne.

679
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,159
That means John is saying that Jesus is the enthroned

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00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:01,400
God that Isaiah saw, and so Jesus is fully God

681
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,199
and fully man. Another non Christian group that makes a

682
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,719
mistake about Jehovah are Mormons. In the Book of Mormon,

683
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,000
Nephi is an Israelite who emigrates to the Americas and

684
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:15,880
delivers various teachings in a text called Second Nephi. About

685
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,880
one third of the text, or thirteen chapters, are direct

686
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,000
copying of Isaiah and what appears to be the translation

687
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:25,000
of Isaiah found in the King James Bible, which was

688
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:28,840
published almost two thousand years after Nephi allegedly lived. In

689
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,400
the original Hebrew, Isaiah twelve to two says yah or

690
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,719
Yahweh is my strength, while Second Phi twenty two to

691
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,400
two says Jehovah is my strength, matching the King James version.

692
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:43,920
I'll let you decide if this is because Joseph Smith

693
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,280
just wanted his translation to sound like the vernacular of

694
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,199
his time, so he chose not to use yah Yahweh

695
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,559
as some Mormons claim, or if he just borrowed straight

696
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:56,639
from Isaiah and didn't translate anything as.

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Speaker 1: This is like the first version of forgetting to delete

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00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:04,480
your prompt response from chat GPT on your fake essay,

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Like you have this beautiful essay about you know, the

700
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great war, World War One, and then at the end

701
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,719
it says, let me know if you'd like a slightly

702
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,079
more elaborate approach, maybe with some bullet points highlighting the

703
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:21,039
key events of the war, you leave it in. You know,

704
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:25,639
this is Joseph Smith getting caught, getting caught doing that

705
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:28,119
much much earlier.

706
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Speaker 2: Non Mormon scholars claim in nineteen sixteen, the Mormon Presidency

707
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:35,679
officially taught that quote among the spirit children of Elohem,

708
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,559
the firstborn was and is Jehovah or Jesus Christ, to

709
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,880
whom all others are juniors. Mormons are correct that Jesus

710
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,480
Christ is Jehovah or Yahweh. Where they air is that

711
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:49,360
they do not believe Yahweh is the only divine being.

712
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,039
They believe the Hebrew term Elohem, which also means God,

713
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,079
refers to a different being than Jehovah. As I noted

714
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:59,960
in my episode on whether Mormons are atheists, Mormonism can

715
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:03,440
best described as a kind of heno theism that recognizes

716
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:07,159
multiple divine beings exist, but only one of them deserves

717
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:12,920
the highest form of worship. In contrast, Christian Monothy the whole.

718
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,639
Speaker 1: Yahweh maybe just meaning to be or being itself or

719
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,159
I am. It might kind of clarify some of the

720
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:24,920
confusion about the Trinity. And as a recently religious person,

721
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:29,599
I'm probably not in the position to like dispense the

722
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,559
Trinitarian theology. So you know, take this with a grain

723
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,280
of salt. But if you think about the Father in

724
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,519
Heaven as being this like kind of like formless, just

725
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,800
raw being itself, you know, just completely incomprehensible to us,

726
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:54,400
and then Jesus being that same spirit but incarnate in

727
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,400
a human body. So it is it is just like truth.

728
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:02,639
It is the essence of true and being and logic.

729
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:08,280
That's so. John describes it as the logos in human form,

730
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,119
so fully God yes, fully human yes, and you know,

731
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:19,639
coexistent eternal being. And then the Holy Spirit being like

732
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,039
the aspect of being itself that animates humans or at

733
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:29,239
least humans that are have been blessed with the Holy Spirit.

734
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,360
I guess I don't know, Man, Trinity stuff gets a

735
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,639
little confusing, But I don't know if it were really simple,

736
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:38,280
i'd sort of be suspicious of it. But I don't know.

737
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:38,920
What do you think.

738
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: Gism believes there is only one divine being who exists

739
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,239
as three distinct persons, each of whom is worthy of

740
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,079
the highest form of worship. That's why the Mormon Book

741
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:52,639
of Abraham describes the Gods plural organizing the world. Whereas

742
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:56,440
genis one to one, says God Eloheim created the world.

743
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,519
The verse uses the singular verb barrah to note that

744
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:04,559
only one being engages in this creation, even though Eloheim

745
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:07,920
has plural elements to it, similar to the plural of

746
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:11,280
majesty given to ancient kings who would speak of themselves

747
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,599
with plural pronouns, also known as the royal wei. This

748
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:18,239
whole area is technically closed while we're trimming we candy

749
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:18,880
tree department.

750
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Speaker 1: See, there is a reason I brought up pronouns earlier.

751
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:30,440
It was all an elaborate segue to this video. Oh gosh, no,

752
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:35,360
we have an air conditioning commercial. Guys. I'm excited to report.

753
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,559
I haven't talked about this on this show, but I've

754
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:42,519
been building. Fuck, I've been building. What I've been telling

755
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:46,880
my wife is an office for her. It's really actually beautiful.

756
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,760
It's just like kit building. It's an outbuilding and we

757
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,760
live on a hill and there's retaining walls. So I

758
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,440
had to dig this insane trench to get power and

759
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,559
internet out there. But I did it because I just

760
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,880
want my wife to keep loving me. And this is

761
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,079
what I've found. This is this is a little bit

762
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:10,719
of advice for the young men out there. If you

763
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,559
would like to be with a woman that's out of

764
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,440
your leak like I am, you should try to be

765
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:20,280
like incredibly useful. I've determined that this is a big

766
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,599
thing for women. I didn't I didn't know this, so

767
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:27,800
I just became useful by accident. But if you could

768
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,199
be like incredibly useful, which can take many different forms,

769
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:34,760
you know, can this can manifest itself in many different arenas.

770
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,760
But if you can figure out a way to be

771
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:42,679
of use, it's quite quite helpful. So anyway, built a

772
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:45,000
office for her. But I think you know what I

773
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:48,559
think it's it's this air conditioned, is dark, it's got

774
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:51,559
cool art on the wall. It's very it's very it's

775
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:55,239
got the vibes. You know. Sure would be a good

776
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,599
little recording studio for a YouTube channel, you know, what

777
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:00,679
I mean. You know what I mean. I can't do

778
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,360
YouTube right now because I got this lame little MacBook

779
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,239
camera and it's a mess. I'm sitting like in a

780
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,039
nook off my kitchen right now. You'd be able to

781
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:13,599
see my dishes stacked up behind me, so would not work.

782
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,679
But but the little outbuilding that I told my wife

783
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,719
is her office is looking pretty good. I can see

784
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,519
it out my window right now. Podcast Studio Alpha is

785
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:30,280
calling my name anyway. Sorry, that segue or that little

786
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,880
way of killing time. All the commercial plade was unnecessarily long.

787
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,639
Here we go, just meet today, So you just meant

788
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:41,280
like the royally. Yep, that's right.

789
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: However, the division of Eloheim and Yahweh into separate beings

790
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,480
does not explain how the Hebrew Bible treats them as

791
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,440
being interchangeable. This includes Exous twenty verse two, which says

792
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,880
I am Yahweh your eloheka a form of Elohem, and

793
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,679
Deuteronomy four thirty five, which says yahwehj Elohim or Yahweh

794
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,559
is Elohim. Now, it is true that early in Biblical history,

795
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,039
the term Yahweh referred to the God who rescued as

796
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:11,880
people from Egypt, while El or Elohim referred to the

797
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,079
supreme deity of the Canaanites. So in that sense they

798
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:18,880
were considered separate beings. But eventually God's people recognize that

799
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,639
these different names referred to the same being, the one

800
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:26,320
supreme creator of all things. What the Canaanites called El,

801
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,119
the Israelites knew is Yahweh. In fact, the name Israel

802
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,960
means El rules. This is like when Saint Paul said

803
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,719
the God he preached was what the Athenians called the

804
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,920
unknown God. It also helps explain how Christians can say

805
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,840
Muslims worship God even though Muslims don't completely understand God.

806
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:47,079
According to Old Testaments scholar Mark Smith, although the Bible

807
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:51,320
fiercely criticizes other pagan deities like ball Quote, there are

808
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,199
no biblical polemics against El. At an early point, Israelite

809
00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:00,360
tradition identified L with Yahweh, or presupposed this equation. In

810
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,000
his book, Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan, writes,

811
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,920
it is interesting that the Old Testament has no qualms

812
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,119
in equating Yahweh with L, something which stands in market

813
00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:12,800
contrast to its vehement opposition to ball Let alone the

814
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,000
equation of Yahweh with ball This must reflect a favorable

815
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:21,840
judgment on L's characteristic attributes as supreme deity, creator, God,

816
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:25,719
and one possessed of wisdom. L was deemed wholly fit

817
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,880
to be equated with Yahweh. Day goes on to say

818
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,400
that Yahweh was not a Canaanite deity, but was introduced

819
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,920
to the land of Canaan and originally came from the

820
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,320
region of Media, which corresponds to Moses learning God's name

821
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,000
in Media, since he fled there after killing the Egyptian.

822
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,119
So to summarize, in scripture, words like Elohem refer to God.

823
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,760
But the name God revealed to Moses sounded more like

824
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,000
Yahweh than Jehovah, which was the result of misunderstanding medieval

825
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:56,639
Hebrew renderings of the divine name. But in knowing God's name,

826
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,719
we also have a sacred responsibility to treat that name

827
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,039
with the utmost respect. The Catechism says this, among all

828
00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:05,559
the words of revelation, there is one which is unique,

829
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:08,800
the revealed name of God. God confides his name to

830
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,320
those who believe in him. He reveals himself to them

831
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,360
in his personal mystery. The gift of a name belongs

832
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,400
to the order of trust and intimacy. The Lord's name

833
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,920
is holy for this reason, man must not abuse it.

834
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:24,159
Catholics aren't always prohibited from referring to God as Yahweh.

835
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,920
Since I've said God's name numerous times in this video

836
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:32,480
and nothing bad has happened. Hilarious, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

837
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,800
But the Church has sought to preserve the reverence of

838
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,639
the divine name when it's used in the liturgy, and

839
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:41,679
to maintain continuity with the tradition of how it is

840
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,199
treated in that context. In two thousand and eight, the

841
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,920
Vatican's Congregation for Divine Worship gave an instruction for how

842
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,239
the name of God should be used in the public

843
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,320
worship of God. It recounted how Christian Biblical tradition, going

844
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,199
all the way through the contemporary Latin Vulgate, did not

845
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,320
translate the divine name, but rendered it some equival of

846
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,239
the word Lord. The letter says this practice was related

847
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,719
to remaining faithful to the Church's tradition from the beginning

848
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,840
that the sacred tetragrammaton was never pronounced in the Christian context.

849
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,639
Speaker 1: Tetragrammaton. That's what I was trying to remember tetra for

850
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:20,760
grammaton tetra grammaton next.

851
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: Nor translated into any of the languages into which the

852
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,559
Bible was translated. The congregation then said, in liturgical celebrations,

853
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,239
in songs and prayers, the name of God in the

854
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,559
form of the tetragramraton yhwh is neither to be used

855
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,920
or pronounced. It then instructs it alternatives like God or

856
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,719
Lord be used instead. Now it's important to remember that

857
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,639
it's not intrinsically wrong to utter God's name. God never

858
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:47,400
said his name can't be uttered, only that it can't

859
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,599
be uttered in vain. Moreover, a person can utter the

860
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:53,320
name Lord in vain if their heart is set on

861
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,519
doing that. But the people of God can develop customs

862
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:59,480
to encourage holy behavior, and one of those customs was

863
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,400
to not treat God's personal name like any other name

864
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:09,119
we might proclaim in the contexts of the literary Other

865
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,679
commentaries have noticed what is.

866
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: Happening, All right, I think that's good. I was going

867
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,599
to play another clip, but I'm kind of tired. I

868
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:19,320
told too many stories tonight. Hopefully I didn't offend everyone.

869
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:28,280
You know, it's funny, sane pro Catholic stuff. I will say,

870
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:32,519
I'm kind of more attracted to Orthodoxy because I think

871
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:37,079
the pope thing is a little weird, and I think

872
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:40,840
celibate priests is a little bit weird. And both churches

873
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:45,719
have an equal apostolic claim. So one of them is

874
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,480
the church that Jesus established. I think. I think that's

875
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:53,679
pretty clear. Obviously, you know, half the Christian world disagrees,

876
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,320
but it seems like one of them is probably the

877
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,639
true Church that Jesus established. But I will I will

878
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:06,920
say nothing pisss off. I've learned. This is new to me.

879
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,679
I'm learning this in real time. Nothing upsets Christians more

880
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:16,000
than you being Catholic, because I'm not Catholic. I'm not.

881
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:19,480
But I have been talking to my friend, and I've

882
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:21,480
been an atheist the whole time I've been friends with him.

883
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:26,559
He's a convicted Seventh day Adventist, which is technically a Protestant,

884
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:30,480
although he doesn't really identify that way. Anyone anyone in

885
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:33,599
rebellion to the one true Roman Church. The Catholics would

886
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:37,159
say is in protest and therefore as a Protestant, but

887
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:41,199
he doesn't see that way anyway. He's been an Adventist

888
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,199
I've been an atheist the whole time we've known each other,

889
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:51,360
and then I've I've I've changed changed my ways. He's

890
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,079
very supportive, but now I'm starting to talk to him

891
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:58,280
about Catholic and Orthodox stuff, and he's so mad. He

892
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,360
is so mad at me. He's way madder at me

893
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:04,880
for that than he ever was about may be an atheist.

894
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,079
So it is just kind of funny. I don't know,

895
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,519
what do I know? You know, a year from now,

896
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:14,599
I might be singing a different tune. But we'll see.

897
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:20,119
I just to me, it seems like the natural reading.

898
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:23,679
But anyway, we'll leave it there. But so hopefully I

899
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:28,159
haven't alienated you all. I'm convinced there's probably only five

900
00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:30,199
people in the world who could listen to the show

901
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:33,920
and actually not be offended by something. So if you're

902
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,119
not offended, give yourself a pat on the back. That's

903
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:44,800
very impressive. You're a resilient, open minded spirit. All right, everybody.

904
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:49,000
Hopefully soon I'll be podcasting from the studio. Oh, it

905
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,920
looks good out there. It's got his own air conditioning

906
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:57,679
and heater. I could crank it down to sixty very

907
00:58:57,679 --> 00:59:04,199
exciting fast internet Ethernet all the way out there, could happen,

908
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,559
could be doing YouTube soon. I have to clean up

909
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:09,480
my act a little bit. If you can see my face,

910
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:13,159
I have to be a little bit nicer. Last disclaimer,

911
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:16,559
sorry to be annoying. I hope this isn't annoying, but

912
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:20,639
I you know, the trans stuff is very controversial. I

913
00:59:20,639 --> 00:59:23,199
don't know, man, I don't know. I'm not a hater.

914
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,320
I think I kind of shared. You probably can guess

915
00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:33,440
kind of my sense of things, but you know, I'm

916
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,280
not a hater. It's a relatively new phenomenon. Can we

917
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,480
admit that, at least at the scale that it's at.

918
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,840
And technically, if you really really wanted to confuse a

919
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:52,119
person who is very supportive of like medically and surgically

920
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,719
transitioning people, I think you could say that they are

921
00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:59,679
and this is I think is true. They're actually potentially

922
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:07,800
systematically performing a genocide against homosexual individuals. And the reason is,

923
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,639
what little evidence there is on this topic is that

924
01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:15,920
most people who experience gender dys for you as a child,

925
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:21,920
will grow into a gay adult. And so if you,

926
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:28,440
if you were to systematically affirm these impulses and children,

927
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,239
you would technically eradicate eradicate homosexuality. So what you say is,

928
01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:35,199
are you trying to give those Republicans what they want?

929
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:41,599
Is that what you're trying to do? Monster? I love

930
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:45,039
arguments like that that kind of give you a new

931
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:47,119
perspective on things. I don't know why I brought this up.

932
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:51,280
I shouldn't have anyway. Email me, tell me where I've

933
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:57,440
gone wrong. Send your hate mail directly to me. I

934
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,000
I enjoy it. I'll take it seriously. I'll read it.

935
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:08,760
I'll respond, I'll say sorry, it's okay, go ahead, talk

936
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,840
to you later. Stay safe out there. God bless