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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellawsikos. I am the prophetic dan Fa

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Valley coming at you with the equally prophetic more gentsen

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of the NBA podcast fame, of Jagua Sports Fame, of

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Forbes Fame, and of only Man celebrity. Here to record

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an emergency podcast where we're publishing it a day later,

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because as certified profits, we don't need to care about

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the timing of the news cycle, because whatever we say

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will manifest into reality anyway. We're gonna talk about the

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Denver Nuggets firing head coach Michael Malone and Calvin Booth

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while allowing the details to trickle out like the protections

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on a draft pick, where you did not know that

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both of them were going to be fired at once

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for at least a few minutes before we dive in

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here more, since we last talked like five seconds ago,

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and when we talked, we were discussing NBA coaches on

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the hot seat, How are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: So coincidentally not related to this bit of news, In

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the very very short time span since we last spoke,

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I have become sick as heck. That is just typical me.

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I see the sun is out, I see it's shining,

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and I'm like not looking at the temperature. So I'm

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walking around in shorts and T shirts going, oh yeah, baby,

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like I'm fat. Anyway, it'll absorb. I'll be warm regardless.

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And then Nate mother nature is gonna bitch slap me

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and go, what the fuck were you thinking about? Your idiot?

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And that means probably for the next two weeks, I'm

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gonna be a shadow of myself. But outside of that, sir,

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I'm doing well. How about yourself?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well too. Both of us, unlike Michael Malone

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and Cawvin Booth at this point, are employed. They might

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either bank accounts might read different statements here, let's get

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into it. This is they have three games left in

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the season and a fired Michael Alone. That was the

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first detail to come out by this way. Yeah, and

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then the Calvin Booth news dropped and Calvin Booth was

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on an aspiring contract, per reporting from the athlete. On

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the heels of this, there was an extension on the

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table and then the cron keys removed it. Like previously

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over the offseason. That seems a little tell tale. We've

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had noise on the record, off the record that the

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locker room vibes have not been great, and it seems

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like things reach their innadear after that loss to the

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Minnesota Timberwolves, like a week and whatever ago, at this

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point where the Nuggets win probability was pretty high, and

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then Russell Westbrook happens essentially towards the end of that game.

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This is just before we got to tackle this one

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by one, and so we'll get into Michael Malone first,

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but just your immediate reaction to the timing of both

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of the like, this is a you're cleaning house here.

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a lot of the assistant coaching staff. I believe the

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Nuggets is on expiring contract. This feels like it's set

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in the stage for just wholesale, like, let's gut at

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least the management structure of this team.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, you said this is a cleaning house protocol, right, Like,

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what was that coming? And then iron Man said in

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the third movie, right, was that housekeeping or something along

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Speaker 1: Protocol or maybe a protocols that.

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Speaker 2: Were blank slate, something along those lines. That's whatever he said.

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the end of the regular season. So to answer your question,

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about this, and you, being the prophet that you are,

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called this. I was. I was the hesitant guy, like

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you're so kind to call me a fellow prophet. I

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am certainly not. I was like, Dan, come on, that's ridiculous,

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like you are the prophet here, sir, and and like

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so obviously I DMed you immediately, and I think I

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quote quoted like the link to the pod and said

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this is timely so and after like the self promotion

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because I'm shameless. Then I started getting into like the

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analysis of it all, and it was just like what,

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like how? And I have so many questions Dan. One,

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we're thinking about blowing everything sky high three to game

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three games before we get into the playoffs? You cool

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just like you have more access or impressions of his demeanor.

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to Nicola Jokic, that's malpractice as ownership because you know

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that unless something has changed, Malone Jokis have a really

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good relationship. And just because Jokic is among the lowest

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maintenance superstars, that doesn't mean that you get to keep

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to US recording where it's this is the Nuggets admitting

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that they needed to clean house, and they decided why wait,

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like you're in the Nicola Jokic window, you need to

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maximize it. Why wait, like, okay, well, then you make

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this decision last offseason. Yeah, you don't make it now

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with three Like what is so Adaman comes in and

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but like, what are you gonna You're not op the

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first of all press releases post transaction trade firing. Press

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releases in the NBA are even more useless than the

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two minute reports. They tell us nothing and they're just

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these cookie cutter like vacuous statements, and this one was

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no different. We're just like, this is gonna put us

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in the best position possibly when the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: How so this is this is a decision. You should

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the the Calvin Booth of it all I can get

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we're just gonna make this change now. In which case, again,

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of the next what ten games? If you give him

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a playoff series to say oh, like yeah, he's like

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the guy. That's why I don't The only thing that

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locker room, completely lost it. And maybe Yokic is included.

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and so why wasn't this clearly it was on the

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table because you don't make it they I mean, they

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the time. Though for Michael Malone specifically, I think it's indefensible.

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last offseason, at worst earlier this season, or at this

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point like just wait, like that's just it makes it

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because you're not going to learn this. I cannot stress

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enough that I don't think that this increases the Nuggets

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odds of winning a title, even in Iota.

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a jolt within the team, which sure, Okay, guys. That's

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people thinking, oh, we know best without having really the

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necessary insight and understanding team construction, team cohesion personalities, like

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now threegs before the end of the regular season.

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Speaker 1: Game eighty right.

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just none of it. Like I again, I don't know

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if like I'm being a bit of a drama queen

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on this one, but like when I saw you got fired,

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Speaker 1: Were they kind of in the Josh Cronky's office and

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neither one of them would take blame for Russell Westbrook

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or something? And there it's like it's kind of a

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step brother situation where like they're they're bickering and Cronky's like, okay,

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or we could even just destroy them for doing this.

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Speaker 2: I mean again, maybe not like you know.

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Speaker 1: Well that let's destroy let's destroy them accordingly.

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fact that billionaire owners, they live in a different sphere

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of life than we do, they think differently, and not

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that's not meant us a compliment whatsoever, quite the opposite.

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little bit like untraditional, unorthodox of this day? Sure, but

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we'll be fine. Let me have more whatever rich people eat.

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Speaker 1: It's it seems like it's so in case you were just.

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Speaker 2: Right, but like it's just it's nuts to do this,

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understand the emotional strings of a basketball team, which is

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wild to considering this team, you actually won a championship, No,

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not even two years ago. So like for ownership to

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you would have known and you would have fired him earlier.

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just kind of say, look, we have to follow through

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for the rest of the season. Because think about this too.

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the league or outside of the league who will like

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for this job?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I ever read the job?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I put that.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't know that it sends any different type

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of signal than we've seen. I kind of laughed when CG.

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McCollum talked about the dirty work of these coaches of

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successful teams getting fired, and I was like, hey, buddy,

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who helped negotiate the CBA, Like it's created, like it's

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laid the groundwork I think for this impulsivity. I'm not

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saying that CJ. McCollum is directly at fault for this.

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Speaker 2: But this is of course you are, of course you

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are you hating on CJ. You are going up against theociation.

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Speaker 1: I disagree that the players made out well in this

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at all, Like I just don't. I think I think

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it obliterated or it really hurt the middle class and

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lower of that player. I think so typical, like that's

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just like that's just pretty a typical society. But I

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do think it created this teams look at their franchises

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as like, look at what Nico Harrison said after the

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Daunche trade. We're thinking long term, like the next three years. Right,

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that's sad that that like it's the death of long

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it's it's anything that's over sixty seconds. And that's what

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to like continuity almost becomes prohibitive because if you're good,

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your team gets so expensive and let's you're willing to

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foot those expenses, the team building restrictions, and even I look,

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I'm not I didn't understand the full consequences. I killed

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the Nuggets for ducking the being afraid of the second

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apron with KCP. But you in retrospect you kind of

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look at it and the restrictions that even if you

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think KCP would have been better here than in Orlando,

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which by the way, is pretty much just the fact, right,

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you have to look at they wouldn't have been able

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to do anything. But then you go back to, well

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the Nuggets they did what with that flexibility, Like they

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brought in Dario Sharich. Awesome, How's that working out for them?

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this this is this isn't a sign of a of

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a team. I guess now I can't have called a

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front office since they just gutted it, but of a

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team that has its stuff together. At the same time,

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this does feel more normal than it ever should, like

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the you know, I'm caught off guard by its similar

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with the Jenkins higher but kind of look at the

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past six championship head coaches and like it's really the

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past five because Joe Mizzoola just won it. But Nick Nurse, Okay,

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he lasts a few more season after twenty nineteen, he

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ends up leaving I think a twenty twenty three. Then

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you go to Frank Vogel's fired less than two years later.

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Michael Malone didn't even make it a full three seasons

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after that, Mike Buttenholzer didn't make it a full three

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seasons after that. Steve Kerr still with the Warriors. But

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like this is becoming sort of the turnover of head coaches.

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It's always sort of existed, but it feels like the

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bar for job security or time and space even just

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to figure things out is higher than ever. And I

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think that in part is a direct byproduct of teams

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that are already good and already have had to reinvest

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and trade in players, then traded their draft most of

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their draft picks. This is the change that you would

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always make, but now you're I don't even know if

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your incentive incentivized might be the wrong word, where you

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just compelled to act more brashly. I agree with what

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you said about this feels like being out of touch

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with team building, the coaching things specifically, but it's also

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just is this just going to be a symptom of

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how the CBA istr rctured in how these teams are

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ultimately viewing the length of their windows.

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Speaker 2: If that is going to be the new new I'll

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tell you the teams that are going to have staying

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power and like going to be perennial contenders. It's going

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to be the teams that has that have a little

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bit ice in their stomachs, just in terms of like, yeah,

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we can we can go through a rough patch without

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having to get divorced by the way, or it will.

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Speaker 1: Just fire your head coach before the new year, like

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a proper organization such as the Sacramento Kings. Kudos to

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them for just being being the They didn't they didn't

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do it face to face, but you know what the

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timing of it banner banner stuff from them from there

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to Memphis.

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Speaker 2: There's uh an interesting tipbit from an article over at

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The Athletic by Tony Jones, Sam Ammick, and Sack Powell.

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Apparently Jalen Pickett is a good example of why this

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whole thing went wrong. I'm just gonna read this excerpt.

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Malone and Booth had been at odds over everything from

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roster construction to the way players were used, creating tension

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that started to bleed into the rest of the organization.

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Booth wanted Malone to use younger players that he drafted,

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and wanted Malone to stray away from using veterans for

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so many minutes. Jalen Pickett is a good example of this.

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According to league sources, Booth was dismayed that Malone went

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with Russell Westbrook over Picket down the stretch of multiple

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games last week. On a macro level, Booth and Malone

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disagreed on several things. So there we have it, Dan

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Jalen Pickett, Jalen Pickett, of all people, it's the reason

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that both guys are out of the organization. I get

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know who it.

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Speaker 1: Was Picket Cronky's pick Is Josh Cronky out here just

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masturbating the Jaalen Picket. I just I don't understand, Like,

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how is that that there's as an example of some

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of the disconnect that clearly existed where Malone was more

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reluctant to give latitude to the young players. I don't

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know why Jayalen Pickett is the example. I think Peyton

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Watson would be a more especially you're dating back to

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last season, that would be a more appropriate example. Maybe

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even Julian Strawther. I know he's dealt with some injuries

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since entering the league. It's like, I kind of reject

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the idea that this is all on Michael Malone, like, oh,

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we had to take Justin the Justin Holiday club out

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of his bag so that he would play Peyton Watson

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this season. That's part of the reason why KCP is gone,

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so he would lean on the youngsters, Like that's your

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coaches are Unless you're telling him he has job security.

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His job is then to win. I know they're in

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a slump, but like, winning fifty games isn't even gonna

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change that. Apparently contending for a top whatever spot in

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the West isn't gonna change that. I don't like, do

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you think that this could at all be like because

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both of them are gone, do you think that there's

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a chance that maybe the timing is all off? But

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ownership is right in saying that we do need this

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blank slate, and it's to have a front office and

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a head coach that are on the same page. And yes,

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you can just let Calvin Booth make the next higher

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but if you don't trust him because of how he's

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set up your roster, which, by the way, I would

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probably argue that came not with the blessing of but

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at the mandate of ownership. As a like, I just

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if you would have told me, yeah, you could pay

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you could pay kcpal whatever. I feel like he would.

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I don't think he was trying to be the smartest

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person in the room, like, no, I'm gonna feel the

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cheaper team and we're gonna be better somehow, because I

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mean maybe, but that's a special kind of ignorance that

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I feel like is reserved for the front office in

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Dallas at this point or something. I don't The situation

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is just so it's so bizarre and it's this is

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just like I don't I don't know how you properly spin.

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Speaker 2: It, right, you know what happened three games ago, by

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the way, which I'm guessing would have led to a

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lot of internal conversations. Jalen Pickett had a triple double

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on nailed three triples. I'm guessing that that acted as

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a catalyst for both to like, look, look, this is

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the guy he needs to play. Look at what this

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production level is. He's younger, he can do the same

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as for Russ. I could just see that manifesting because

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people are in this business are petty as fuck. They

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want to keep their guy, They want to make sure

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that everybody knows this is their guy anyway too. That's

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just me trying to go back a couple of days

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and seeing where all this came from. I think it

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went to a head. I think this went ugly. I

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agree with you on every level of this, Like I

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do think to answer your question, yes, the Nuggets are

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better off, basically saying, look, fresh slate both are gone.

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There aren't anything that Like let's say Mark Malone lost

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the locker room for whatever reason. Sure, okay, cool, Like

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then you can't stick with him, like probably should have

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done it at the end of the season or earlier

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this season. But that is what it is. If you

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don't trust the roster construction of Calvin Booth, if you

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think that his nose for talent or whatever you want

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to call it isn't high enough to the level of

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the franchise. Sure, but the timing of adult just sends

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such a bleak picture of how ownership operates to the

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point where I'm like, do you understand what it takes

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to run a franchise, like should you be fired too?

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That's that's where I'm at. But I do think overall, yes,

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it would behoove them to have a managerial team and

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a coaching staff where everyone's on the same page. Obviously,

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Like find me a situation where that isn't beneficial. So

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what's the next step though, That's what I want to know, Like, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Can I just asked, like how much? When you're kind

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of trying to assess the blame game here, who do

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you feel is more responsible for Denver's current predicament? Is

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it Michael Malone or is it Calvin Booth?

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Speaker 2: Booth Booth absolutely Booth from my perspective, because here's the thing,

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you know, he and when when you well, let me

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phrase it in the best possible way here, if you

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cannot wreck agnice the relationship that's in place between Mike

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Malone and NICOLEA. Jokicch as we've heard about so many

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times before, if you cannot also realize that Malone is

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a tremendous head coach and you are trying to like

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force him into a corner with your specific vision in mind,

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and you're not playing ball. And let's let's be real

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about this. Communication between the two, as has been reported

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numerous times over was broken, like there there was no

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level of communication. Then I also questioned your abilities as

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a leader, like a general manager is the one who

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has to be the mister personality. He has to be

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the one to get anyone on the same page. He

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has to be the one to talk to ownership, convince ownership.

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This is the path to convince your coach this is

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the right path, or find a plan in you know,

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in cohesion with the coach and with the with the

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ownership level. Calm Booth clearly failed to do so. And

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given that we know Mike Malone's trek record as a

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coach is much better than Calvin Booth's track record as

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a GM, I'm just inclined to say, look, I want

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to stick with Mike Malone over Calvin Booth every day

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of the week.

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Speaker 1: I just and you know what I hate about this too,

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is now it kind of puts us in this weird

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position where we're already looking ahead for the Nuggets when

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this is a season that's still going on. And yes,

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we talked about head coaching hot seats the other day,

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but that was in the context of with the teams

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that were headed to the playoffs, it's well, unless they

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go deep in the playoffs, like this will be a

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topic of discussion. And now it's doesn't like it doesn't

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matter what happens. They could win the title, they're still

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gonna go out and need to hire a head coach.

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Maybe it's David Adaman at that point if he leads

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them to a title, or and then of course you're

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always gonna need to like put together a new front

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office structure. And we have kind of proof of con

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by the way, it's funny the timing of this, with

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Tim Connolly having the executive's option in Minnesota, we have

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proof that the kron Keys have never they've paid the players.

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I would say that they've you can give them credit

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for that, but they've never really seemed willing to pay

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their execs. And so I'm not saying they go after

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Tim Connolly. It's just funny that he could technically be

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a free agent when their front office is vacant. I

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I just hate that. It's I don't know what to

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make of the rest of this season then, and like,

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of course, part of that is do you do you

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think there's anything to the idea. And I don't even

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know if this has been mentioned, but Michael Malone came

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out and said, like, yeah, we're hoping that Jamal Murray

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will be ready for the playoffs. And if you're now

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finding out or you think that Jamal Murray's not gonna

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be ready for the playoffs, IS's gonna be right for

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the playoffs? Is that why you then decide to do

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this well this season? Yeah, Jokic is great, but you're

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not gonna be you know, Okay, see the Lakers, the Warriors.

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You're not gonna be in a combination of these teams

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if you don't have your second most important player.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that would be a horrible perspective to have when

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arguably the best center of all time is having a

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career year.

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Speaker 1: I agree with it. I'm just like, does that fact

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and do it at all? Like not, No, Calvin Booth

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and Michael Olwon are not responsible for Jamal Murray's health,

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But like, are they looking at well this because I

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feel like to make this change. You can't, honestly, but

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maybe I'm underestimating the ignorance of ownership, But you can't

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honestly think that just that the upheaval is gonna light

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a fire. You've already first of all.

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Speaker 2: Where's the you can if you're a billionaire, you absolutely can't.

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Speaker 1: What is the thinking being? What that is? It just

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it's just shocked. Look look, okay, look right now, all

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these guys are already paid. It's like Christian Brown and

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Peyton Watson are trying to get who who, like Gordon

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Jokic Murray even like those guys have been paid, Who's

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Who's asked? Are you lighting a fire?

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Speaker 2: Under Look, I'm not saying it makes sense, but you

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live in you live in the United States. Your country

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right now is being run by billionaires. How well is

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that going?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: I mean no, no, I'm saying, are those logical could

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like decisions being made for the most part by billionaires

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or are billionaires living their own little fanc asy world

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00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,160
thinking oh yeah, if I only push this button, is

474
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,759
AP and C is gonna happen, It's gonna be great.

475
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:09,160
I don't think ownership are in any way smart enough

476
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,599
to comprehend the complex emotional systems that is required, like

477
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,039
throw my basketball team from top to bottom, being that

478
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,119
like general manager coaching staff, like front office coaching, staff, players,

479
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:27,400
player personnel, whatever like that is a very complicated web

480
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:33,519
of relationships, of routines, of status, of everything that has

481
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,119
to be managed. I don't think ownership. I don't think

482
00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:39,119
billionaires think of those things like that at all. I

483
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:44,359
don't think they understand fully what that comprehends. Like with

484
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,759
the exception of Mark Cuban, perhaps because he was around

485
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,759
all the freaking time, like he might be the one

486
00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:52,279
of the exceptions, or used to be one of the exceptions,

487
00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:57,079
he's no longer around for you know, owners who have

488
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,400
other interests where their field of business lies elsewhere or.

489
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: In the premier league, maybe that.

490
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,279
Speaker 2: That too, Like they have a lot of franchises, they

491
00:25:05,519 --> 00:25:09,519
they can't dedicate themselves entirely to the Nuggets. So I

492
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,480
just I think this could easily be billionaire fuck up. Absolutely.

493
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to frame it like this, but I don't, like,

494
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,559
I don't know what it changes we're expecting to see

495
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,039
from the Nuggets for the rest of this season.

496
00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:24,759
Speaker 2: Oh, the jolt, Dan the jolt apparently.

497
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: So if they don't make it to the conference finals,

498
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:28,680
then do you have to trade Nicole Jokic because the

499
00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:33,960
jolt then accept the jolt like I don't jolt.

500
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,279
Speaker 2: I love your segue. I love your segue on that one.

501
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:43,400
Because Mark Jones of ESPN said something. He said something interesting. Uh,

502
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,759
he said, I cut wind of this last night. I

503
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:50,039
believe it now Joker is extension eligible. I'll leave that

504
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,680
right there to marinate.

505
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:55,039
Speaker 1: I would like to interject on quo fronts here yea

506
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,119
the details of his contract. He has three years and

507
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,400
one hundred and every three point two million dollars remaining.

508
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,000
There's a player option on that final season. He can

509
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:04,759
decline the player option and sign a three year, two

510
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,119
hundred and twelve million dollars extension this summer. That's the background.

511
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,559
Now my second point, we're throwing a pack you. Yes,

512
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,160
I'm trying to read between the lines on what the

513
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,640
Mark joneskee is saying. I still don't know what it's saying.

514
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:21,359
It's no hard are you trying to, like from the

515
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,279
different angles would be? Are they not planning on extending him?

516
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,160
Was he not planning on something? By the way, he

517
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,440
might not sign the extension because it just let another

518
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:32,240
year trickle out. Sign a longer extension, you know in

519
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:35,079
the summer of twenty twenty six. Is I just what

520
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,920
is this, He'll leave it, He'll leave it there. I

521
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,440
look Mark Jones a trustworthy source. And no, by the way,

522
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:43,880
if this was any other team right, probably literally there's

523
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,839
you could count on one hand the number of superstars

524
00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:48,839
where something like this would happen and the immediate reaction

525
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,319
wouldn't have been let's go through the Nicola Jokis trade

526
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,519
destinations is probably Jokic and Curry. And that's what it like.

527
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,240
I so, I like, what are what do you make

528
00:26:59,279 --> 00:26:59,599
of this?

529
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,279
Speaker 2: So I look, regardless of what he means, just whether

530
00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:07,160
he means, oh, the Nucis won't want to pay him

531
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,039
like the Supermax like the similar situation as in Dallas

532
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:13,799
with Luca, or if he means that Jokich you know,

533
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,839
will be who will be extendingion eligible this summer looks

534
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:19,119
at this whole thing and goes, you know what f this,

535
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:22,839
I'm out of here as soon as possible. That I'm

536
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,359
not gonna comment on either or, but both scenarios would

537
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,440
lead to him being out the door. Like and that's

538
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:31,200
what's interesting to this, Like, are we looking at a

539
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:37,920
situation now where Nikola jokicch might look at in the

540
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,960
future where he's not wearing eight Denver Nuggets uniform for

541
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,680
the rest of his career. And I'm just going to

542
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,680
add some fuel to this fire by saying both he

543
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,759
and Luka Doncic can be free agents at the same

544
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,640
time in twenty twenty seven, just putting that out there.

545
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: Look, you're gonna have to make me believe that free

546
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,680
agency becomes cool again for that to ever be because

547
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,799
as of right now, the Lakers at like the could

548
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:08,519
they have cap space for Yokic? Sure, they're not going

549
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:11,720
to have the trade assets for Jokic. Like if and

550
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,640
I would ask, what do you think is more likely

551
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:19,839
that Jokic would ask for out leaving free agency, or

552
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,640
the front office would I'm sorry, the ownership the team

553
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,000
would take it upon themselves to hey, we're setting the

554
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:30,400
stage for a rebuild here. Actually, like, what of those

555
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,559
three scenarios, what do you think is most would be

556
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:33,200
most likely?

557
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:36,519
Speaker 2: So I don't think Jokic is a guy who like

558
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,839
complains like, don't don't mistake this as him not being interested,

559
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,319
like he will let people know his opinion. But I

560
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:46,759
don't see him as a trade meet type of guy.

561
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:47,759
I never have not.

562
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:50,359
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, like threatening to leave every other year.

563
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:54,759
Speaker 2: Right exactly, like and I don't think that changes now either. Like, look,

564
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:58,200
we can also ask some pretty big questions about Dallas.

565
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,839
Even though they got better and they just went to

566
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,359
the finals, there were some pretty big questions like down

567
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,000
the line, Kerry was getting older with Jason Kidd the

568
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,680
right head coach. But you've never heard anything from Luca.

569
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,480
I will say a lot of Europeans are just wired

570
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,279
differently that way, where it's not like get me out

571
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:16,039
of here, like some will go into that, like Evan

572
00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:21,799
Fournier has requested trades beforehand, but you know Horkmas too

573
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:25,240
every single year. Yes, he really leaned into like his

574
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,720
American newfound life of living over there. Absolutely, But like

575
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,400
Jokic and Luca, I don't think are that type of

576
00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:38,279
player or that type of person. I don't think they

577
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:41,359
look at it as oh, free agency is dead, so

578
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,359
let's use a different way to get together. No, I

579
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:46,640
think they'll just talk and like do the stars align?

580
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,720
The stars align? Cool, let's do it, like I think

581
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,799
it's that. So to answer your question, I think ownership

582
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:58,000
thinking hey we might be able to get sounds preposterous,

583
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,920
but like you can probably get like couple of good

584
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,720
junk players and like ten draft picks for for Jokics

585
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:10,039
at this point, like, oh my god, I'm just thinking here,

586
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,920
what's interesting under the thunder could make one hell of

587
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,119
a trade offer this summer.

588
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: My whole thing is so, but I do think you're

589
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,839
right where this doesn't feel. I mean, if you wind

590
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,960
up pushing Jokics to a point where he wants to leave,

591
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,400
whether it's in free agency, he requests a trade, I

592
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,759
hope Nuggets fans storm the castle and give the cron

593
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:31,559
keys atomic wedgies, because this is just like that's this

594
00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:34,119
is not someone who is people mistaken for him not

595
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:36,079
caring about basketball. That's not the case. It's just he's

596
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:38,400
low like him and Steph Curry or just I mean

597
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,359
even Shake Gildes Alexander is just like like this is

598
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,039
these are just not stars that you've ever questioned whether

599
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:47,640
they want to be where they are, And so I

600
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:49,920
like to do something like this. That's why I assume

601
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,839
they have to have at least let him know. But

602
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,000
it's also why I keep coming back to, like, are

603
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:58,920
they kind of gearing up to like do this themselves?

604
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,839
Like that? So my answer to my own question was

605
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,920
it feels more likely that this Denver ownership would take

606
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,759
it upon themselves to, hey, we want to start over

607
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,799
for some reason, and I like that seems unfathomable, but

608
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,200
so does the logic that firing your head coach and

609
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,519
general manager with three games remaining in the regular season

610
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,400
is going to give you a jolt that will help

611
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,279
you in the playoffs. And so it's sort of It's

612
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:26,039
not on the same level as the Lucas stuff, to

613
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:30,200
be clear, but it's it kind of reinforces the I

614
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,440
guess anything as possible mindset here, because it would actually

615
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,240
be insane to think that you need to rebuild. I know,

616
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:38,759
Jokic is in his thirties, it would be actually in

617
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,759
this is someone who's been ultra durable, plays a style

618
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,880
that should age just fine. Is the best basketball player

619
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,960
in the world right now. I just man. And they

620
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,960
could say this is done in service of that, and

621
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,119
I just I call it bullshit because if it was

622
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,359
done in service from Nicole Jokic, it would have been

623
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,079
done sooner, at like, at a more opportune time, or

624
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,319
at least in a more decisive fashion. And so your

625
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:06,480
solution was, well, let's let this broken dynamic fester for

626
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:09,480
seventy nine plus games and it's like, now we're gonna

627
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,759
step in and it's like, were you not aware? Were

628
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,480
they so not aware of what's happening? The Kronkey's only

629
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,839
just learned about this, like they just chopp her in

630
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,519
for March. It was like, oh, all right, Like the

631
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,400
stuff here isn't good. We're around the team a little

632
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,519
bit more. This isn't okay. That's also bad.

633
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:29,319
Speaker 2: Yep, it's all bad, Dan, this None of this is great,

634
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,920
none of if this is great.

635
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: I do want to take like a final thing to

636
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,359
talk about for Knuckets fans that are still watching listening

637
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,559
as to what they can do roster wise, like moving

638
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:41,680
like okay, finding the right coach and the GM the

639
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,039
thing that I firmly believe who is the coach unless

640
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,240
you believe that there's a coach out there that would

641
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,319
have taken this roster with some of the injuries that

642
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,519
dealt with and brought it to higher highs this year, right,

643
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:55,680
you have to make changes to the roster then around

644
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:58,119
Yokich like I'm gonna operate. I wanna make it clear

645
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:00,799
I'm gonna operate under the assumption that we are trying

646
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:03,839
to optimize the Nakoli jokicch window. They clearly don't know

647
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,079
how to do it, but they're at least going to

648
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:08,000
attempt to continue to do it. And so this summer

649
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,039
they could trade up to one first round pick. They

650
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:12,160
are going to enter about seven point one million dollars

651
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,039
beneath the second apron eleven point eight million dollars over

652
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:17,519
the tax. I will say, if we get to a

653
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:19,200
point where they figure out a way to dump Dario

654
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:22,680
Sharch and Zeke Naji without taking anything back, that's when

655
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,720
the alarm bell should be sounding. Where's oh, they tried

656
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,000
to duct the tax This isn't going to end poorly.

657
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,680
Christian Brown and Peyton Watson are both extension eligible this summer.

658
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,880
Jamal Murray's max extension kicks in this summer, the four

659
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,720
year thirty percent max. Aaron Gordon's extension does that kick

660
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:41,000
in next year or the year after? I think it's

661
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:43,720
six Yeah, because he's only twenty two and a half

662
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,880
percent of the salary cap next year. What is the

663
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,119
path forward for this team when looking at its personnel

664
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,119
unlessen Look, you could say this and it's fine that

665
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,920
you just think it's you run it back and hope

666
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,279
that new voice is at the head coaching spot in particular.

667
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,839
Speaker 2: But that's not realistic. That's not realistic you're getting in.

668
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:04,599
Speaker 1: I do want to leave open up. You don't think

669
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:08,159
that it's possible that like a Peyton Watson or a

670
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,679
Julian Strawther or jail and Pickett could pop with a

671
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,039
different head coach, Like you're just not.

672
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I believe that that's not. What I'm

673
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,400
saying is unreally like, what I'm saying is unrealistic is

674
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:20,559
getting a new GM in who doesn't want to shape

675
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:22,760
a team in its own image. When have we seen

676
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,519
a general manager come in and say, oh, gee, guys,

677
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:28,719
I'm so glad to be here, Let's stick with ninety

678
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,159
percent of the same roster, which means I didn't do

679
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,760
anything like That's not a way to stick out. That's

680
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,880
not a way to like impress your boss by not

681
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,400
doing anything like. That's just coming into the job and saying,

682
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,360
oh yeah, like I'm just gonna benefit off the job

683
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,400
of others. I'm not gonna do anything. So whoever is

684
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,239
brought in as the new general manager is going to

685
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,920
have a vision. And that vision I'm like, you're getting

686
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,920
way ahead of it. I think in terms of like, oh,

687
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,360
I should it be Aaron Gordon, should it be Jamal Murray?

688
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,639
Should they be open to training the kids? Like I

689
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:06,039
think the big question is Nikola Jokic first and foremost,

690
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:08,320
and that is the biggest chip there is, Like they

691
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,519
are gonna go out there and find a general manager.

692
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,679
That general mentor is gonna come in and it's gonna

693
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,760
have one of two opinions, one being Nikola Jokic is

694
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,840
the greatest player in the world right now, and yes,

695
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,519
we'd be absolutely moron start to utilize that. Or he

696
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:26,360
will say, Nikola Jokic is the best basketball player in

697
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,599
the world right now, look at what we can get

698
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:31,199
for him. That's gonna be one of the two things.

699
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:35,639
So until we know that, I just can't be bothered

700
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,199
sitting there talking about like what the ELL's gonna happen

701
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,920
with Darrio Sarich, Like fuck that.

702
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:43,559
Speaker 1: So I strongly disagree. I think that's a terrible way

703
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,280
to look at it, just because Oh, isn't the limitations

704
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,599
of what they can do part of what's going to

705
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:52,719
inform how they go about this next phase Because it's

706
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,519
I'm not asking who should you move I'm asking, can

707
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:58,519
this team reasonably make any sort of move where if

708
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:01,039
you can reorient things around? OK, I would even push

709
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:04,280
not pushed back, but say, like, I know some people

710
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,920
think that Jamal Murray deal is terrible. It's probably not

711
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:09,320
the best. It's not anywhere near the best contract in

712
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,679
the NBA. It's tradable, it's tradable the dude, and the

713
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,000
dude's been balling for more than half the season, or

714
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,880
at least half the season at this point. So I

715
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:21,920
just where I'm I'm wondering is that if I was

716
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,599
someone who was pitching myself for this job, right, I

717
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:27,400
am going to say, well, like, maybe we shouldn't be

718
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:30,519
as married because we're working within short windows anyway, Maybe

719
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:34,320
we shouldn't be as married to the Peyton Watson experience.

720
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,280
And if we start to attach him with Zeke Nagy

721
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,679
and Darius Sarch or Peyton Watson in an mpjes that

722
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,440
gout for Peyton Watson. Like it's just I think I'm

723
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,119
looking at pro just because I don't think you can

724
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:48,440
move Jamal Murray for positive value, Like someone will move him,

725
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,679
but you're not gonna get a haul. I'm looking at

726
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,599
every other player on this roster, including Christian Brown just

727
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:56,400
because he's extension eligible. He's super plug and play though,

728
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,880
and saying, right, here's what the moves that we could

729
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,159
do to make the team better. And there are different

730
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:03,800
player archetypes that I think would serve them well. But

731
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,000
you could also just get into the like you could

732
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:07,760
argue that is there a chance that if you keep

733
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,119
kind of their starting five together and if you're able

734
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:14,559
to use Peyton Watson as a sweetener to something like, well,

735
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:17,000
if we can use him and Nausey and Charge and

736
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:19,440
we turn that into like two players who are going

737
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:21,679
to round out the middle of our rotation at the

738
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,719
six and seven spots, that's what my focus would be

739
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,239
is the job. I just don't know, Like that seems

740
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,079
pretty modest, I would say, And I think it's fair

741
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:35,400
to push back if I'm you and argue like they

742
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,840
don't even have the ability.

743
00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:39,519
Speaker 2: To do that. No, I mean, look, that's something they

744
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:44,079
could have asked Calvin Booth to do. Like that's kind

745
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,079
of my point here, Like what you're saying, there is

746
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:47,960
something that Calvin Booth could be in charge of, Like

747
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,079
that could be an ownership mandate, saying, look, you tried,

748
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,800
like Peyton, what's in this good? He's nice, He's not

749
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,559
all that like whatever you've built it up to be

750
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:01,039
in your head. That's not who he is. So now

751
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,480
is the time to pivot off of him or pivot

752
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:06,119
off of someone else. And then what would Calvin Booth do?

753
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,880
He would have to do it because that's what the

754
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,280
mandate his boss has given him. So I think what

755
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,880
is going to be the biggest indicator of what type

756
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,719
of team this this team is going to be in

757
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:27,800
about what six months? That is going to be the games? No,

758
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,679
but it's going to be the type of GM they

759
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,320
pull in off the street, Like we'll see what happens.

760
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,119
Like again, I just think, first and foremost that's the

761
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,440
big question, like do you want to remain competitive or

762
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,119
do you want to take a big fat sledgehammer to

763
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:40,599
the whole thing?

764
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: And you know, I want to talk about something you

765
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,360
said before because I feel like I might have dismissed

766
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,639
it too easily. Do you think that this job is

767
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,119
less attractive now than maybe other perspective positions because of

768
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:53,880
how this unfolded? Do you think it's more.

769
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 2: About like the job, like the GM or coach.

770
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: That's a good point. I think the GM job just

771
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:04,360
because I'm looking at it and saying it would be

772
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,239
amazing to have the opportunity to try and build a

773
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,679
team around a cool Jokic.

774
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: Yes, so would you say, yes, absolutely that I think

775
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,800
it's in that I can say both jobs are attractive.

776
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:16,960
Like if I'm a general manager and I can a

777
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:19,320
chance to build around Nikola Jokic, Oh my god, that's

778
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,519
the part of my legacy. If I'm a head coach

779
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:23,920
and I get to coach arguably the greatest center of

780
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,679
all time, that adds to my legacy too, Like that

781
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,039
these are good jobs. The only thing I hesitate about,

782
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:34,320
like the job were all is ownership. Like if they

783
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,760
made this type of decision this late in the year,

784
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,039
I'm sitting there thinking, oh, okay, so I can be

785
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:45,159
out at any time, Like we're seventy nine games into

786
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:48,679
the season, I could be in the hot seat. That's wild,

787
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,840
Like that's not something that would benefit me as a

788
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,760
coach or a GM, Like I would be sitting there

789
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,400
going with the fun.

790
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,679
Speaker 1: See I just because coaches, I do feel like if

791
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,960
you end up tearing it down trading stars, there is

792
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,320
a chance that some coaches do stick around, Like for that.

793
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,039
But when it comes to like the GM, if you're

794
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,519
tasked with coming in and building a winner around Yokic,

795
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,239
I wonder how attractive this position specifically is because you

796
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,960
don't have a lot of wiggle room with which to

797
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:19,880
work when it comes to assets or just salary cap flexibility.

798
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, look, that's the challenge. But I

799
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,440
would overlook that. I would basically say, look, I got

800
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,159
a chance to work with jokichin if I can't build

801
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:31,679
something around him, if I can't figure out to just

802
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,280
move a couple pieces around that makes this better, that's

803
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,199
on me. Like that. You have to have that level

804
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:39,440
of humility as well going into this, because if you

805
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:43,320
fail to build around Nicola Jokic, it's pretty much on you.

806
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:45,199
I'm sorry like that, it is.

807
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, And look there's also the element of and it's

808
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:50,280
the same way for head coaches. There's only thirty of

809
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,079
these jobs, right and as of right now, you know,

810
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:56,519
we can point that we pointed to coaching situations that

811
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:59,119
might open up and one, well he's one of those, correct,

812
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:01,679
But like, there's not as many front office gigs that

813
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,800
seem like they're gonna open up. And so if you're

814
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,960
just like you're gonna have to take it. So I

815
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:07,719
am man, and that is.

816
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,039
Speaker 2: Why I am throwing my name into the hat.

817
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you've been as the foremost Nuggets insider who predicted

818
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,000
this firing twenty four hours before it happened. I'm gonna

819
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,039
reject your candidacy. They listen to what I say, clearly

820
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,159
that was I have. I'm still just like at a

821
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:29,079
loss for words with this. This is I mean, and

822
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:31,000
the fact that it's now happened kind of twice, like

823
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:33,840
just two playoff teams and they've got and with you

824
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,159
could talk about the writing on the wall. There was

825
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,480
less writing on the wall, not less writing on the wall,

826
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:40,119
but like at least in Memphis there was kind of

827
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:43,239
the breadcrumb level. They gutted his assistant coaching staff before

828
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,440
the season. But the timing is still inexplicable for both.

829
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,119
Speaker 2: So who's gonna get fire tonight? Can? Can I just

830
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:51,119
put money down on Rick Carlisle just for the hell

831
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:53,000
of it, because apparently that's how we do things now.

832
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's been the best coach over the past like

833
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:01,000
two months that they're gone? Well, you know what, I

834
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:03,960
was trolling you because you mentioned JB. Bickerstaff's name in

835
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,599
that podcast. I know it's not an infinate candidate, but look,

836
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:08,960
the Pistons are They're not gonna win fifty games this year.

837
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:12,159
More like, what is is he even safe? I think

838
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:15,079
we did get a lot of pushback for mentioning Tibbs.

839
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:16,639
They said he just signed. A lot of it was

840
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:19,360
he just signed an extension, his job is safe. I

841
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,079
don't know how you watch what happened with Taylor Jenkins

842
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,199
and Denver most recently, how these championship coaches have been

843
00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:29,079
dismissed and think that Tibbs just getting consecutive fifty win

844
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:32,840
seasons if they if they don't have a convincing second

845
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,159
round playoff Berth, I like, anything's on the tip you wait.

846
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, hang on, hang on, hang on. So the

847
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,519
argument was because he signed an extension, he's safe.

848
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,039
Speaker 1: There was other like, this is the prevailing just the

849
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,960
I'll give you the bullet points off. So there's that

850
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,119
there was this is kind of the first year that

851
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:51,719
this roster it was remade, that they were together, and

852
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,280
I would agree it's like all the points are fair

853
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,199
in an NBA that is taking into account windows that

854
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,480
are longer than two years and I'm just not so

855
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,920
sure that nless you're rebuilding, Like rebuilding teams just have

856
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:06,840
more of a runway now than these contenders. It's just, yeah, there,

857
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,559
there's going to be anomalies everywhere. Oklahoma City being one

858
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,400
golden state, they've undergone some turnover, but like the Crux

859
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,480
having Steph there, having Draymond there. But I just I'm

860
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:20,599
not even predicting that Tims we get fired, but you

861
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:23,920
could just you can between the Luka Dancics trade, Taylor

862
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,320
Jenkins and Michael Malone's is the timing of those dismissals.

863
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,199
I think you could convince me on just about any

864
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,199
type of transaction happening in the NBA.

865
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 2: The reason I'm asking is because I don't think I

866
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,280
don't take that into consideration, like coach signing a big

867
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,559
deal like his start off, a new extension, whatever, like

868
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,599
Monti Williams side signed for what seventy eight million, like

869
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,840
the coach for one year. I swallowed his deal.

870
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,159
Speaker 1: I do agree, but I am one, And maybe it's

871
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:52,320
like you're in that case, you knew that he probably

872
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,400
wasn't going to find another job that would offset it.

873
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,559
But like Eric's Baulstra at eight years one hundred and

874
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,159
twenty million might be the line right where it's a hey,

875
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:01,800
we're not gonna get rid of this guy yet, but

876
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:02,519
maybe maybe not.

877
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't I don't think NBA teams look

878
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,760
at that as being like, oh, that's that's a lot

879
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,920
of money. I mean again, we're talking about billionaires, a

880
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,280
half of them. When it comes to like administrative stuff,

881
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,559
unless you're the bulls, you just don't really care about

882
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:21,199
what you're paying guys not on the roster. So like,

883
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:24,920
I just don't think that factors in a whole lot.

884
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,679
The other points I agree with those are fair, Like

885
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,559
the contractual stuff, I just don't think teams put as

886
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:31,679
much value into it.

887
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: And as in Tims's case, I actually think the most

888
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,800
salient argument would be it really does feel like the

889
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,559
front office and the coaching staff are on the same

890
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:42,719
page unless we find out that Leon Rose has been

891
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,400
pleading with him to like cut minutes or play more

892
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,159
members of the rotation and he just has it. But yeah, so.

893
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: Remember when you could trade coaches, I think you still can.

894
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,760
Needs to see someone do that a little bit more.

895
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,199
I need I need a coach trade. I really needs

896
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:00,599
to see that.

897
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: Do you think there'd be any coach that would right

898
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,280
now just leave his job for the chance to coach

899
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,559
Nicola jokicch in Denver.

900
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: I mean there should be. There should be several like

901
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,559
Jamal Mostly. I know he's got a good thing going

902
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:21,840
in Orlando. Yeah, like that might be the guy who, like,

903
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,960
if Jamal Mostly has enough like insight into his own

904
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:28,119
like strengths and weaknesses, he might look at Denver and go, oh,

905
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,599
there's the guy who could save my ass. Because I'm

906
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:33,400
really bad at drawing up offense. But here, here I

907
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,960
go to this genius of basketball savant who might save

908
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:39,440
my ass that I can focus on defense, Like I

909
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,239
could just be a defensive coordinator and Jokic will take

910
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,519
care of the rest offensively. That's fine, dream job.

911
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:50,159
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fascinated to see who winds up on

912
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,400
their list over the offseason of coaches that there could

913
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,239
perspectively higher. That's like, I'm sure Taylor Taylor Jenkins will

914
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,679
get an interview, but I'm just wondering, imagine if he

915
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,239
got hired. That's what this was. Taylor Jenkins becomes available

916
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,159
that to the Cronky's wanted, and they just hire Taylor

917
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,480
Jenkins right before the playoffs. That'd be funny.

918
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: Imagine if it's someone like Mark Jackson or something, I would.

919
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: Just yo, gets better demand to trade.

920
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 2: Like immediately if they make one of those deals, like

921
00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:21,639
or if if Doc Rivers shakes Loots in Milwaukee and

922
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:23,280
he signs there, like it's.

923
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:26,599
Speaker 1: Just I would allow an interview for Jeff Van Gundy

924
00:46:26,639 --> 00:46:28,840
after his body of work with the Clippers. I would allow.

925
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah, no, no, no, that's fair. I think

926
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:31,320
that's fair.

927
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else or are you able to

928
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,480
inform I Hour subscribers so they could find you in

929
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,559
all the fantastic work that you do.

930
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, first and foremost, I would implore you

931
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,960
not to get too inspired by what happened and not

932
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:49,159
fire Grant right before the playoffs.

933
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,639
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're gonna have to take his jolt

934
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,920
pulse and where that lands on the spectrum, because I

935
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,480
want to make sure that he's headed into the playoffs

936
00:46:57,519 --> 00:46:58,440
with that with that.

937
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: J yeah, yeah, exactly. So you really need to just

938
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:05,360
make sure he's he's for it, because if not, he

939
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,599
could be a first round exit. That's that's also tough,

940
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:11,360
Like do you fire him mid first round, I fire myself.

941
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Speaker 1: If I don't have the jolts, I think mission critical. Yeah,

942
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,480
I don't think I'll have no choice but to step down.

943
00:47:18,639 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: You know what? He could also just be something out

944
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,039
of thor was like maybe you're not wearing a cap.

945
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,239
That would be a jolt, that would be weird, Like

946
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,119
that's something that would that would throw me off, Like

947
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that's that's.

948
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Speaker 1: A that's funny because I feel like whenever I've been

949
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:32,840
podcast with Grant, I have not had a hat on

950
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,960
the past years. Get you, I put a hat on.

951
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,159
Speaker 2: I don't think I podcast little without Uh. Well, so

952
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:40,800
so where you can find my work, you can find

953
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,440
on work at Yahoo Sports. I have just come out

954
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,159
with two major pieces. One on the Blazers, well it

955
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:50,880
seemed that I'm very high on and I think they

956
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,079
might have found their star potentially if we buy into

957
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:57,960
Dannieofoos second half of the season. And I also came

958
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,199
out with an enormous NBA You're a piece where I

959
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,320
was allowed to write in the first person, So thank you,

960
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,199
boss man for allowing me to do that.

961
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: Such a narcissist that you said, I really.

962
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I mean, I'm usually not a

963
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,880
first person type of guy. But given the fact that

964
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,519
I'm European and NBA is kind of my job, I was.

965
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,920
It was like, yep, this makes sense on this one.

966
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,920
I actually, you know, how big of a narcissist I

967
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:25,360
wasn't that piece. I actually gave the NBA advice on

968
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:28,800
how to create a league in Europe that might actually

969
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,199
be sustainable.

970
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: Like you provided it within the piece, or you informed

971
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:35,280
NBA officials of it before you published.

972
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 2: After I published. I actually did send it to the league.

973
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:44,480
Yes I did. I mean, I'm not even kidding. I

974
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:49,320
actually did. Look, I have a good relationship with the league.

975
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,079
I'll send this send them stuff when it's about like being.

976
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: If you don't have the jolt heading into the postseason,

977
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,840
that relationship might mean nothing.

978
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about that right now. I don't have the

979
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:04,760
g I haven't heard the reaction they Like I might

980
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,559
wake up tomorrow to like a WhatsApp message just going more.

981
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,400
You missed the jolt on that one, like you, Well,

982
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:12,679
we can't work with you anymore. Done?

983
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,119
Speaker 1: Sure? Adam Silver listens to every single one of our

984
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,400
episodes twice, so I'm sure you'll hear from him.

985
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, for sure, Like he actually subscribes to my

986
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:22,559
only fans. Is great.

987
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: He's actually your most generous donor too.

988
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,519
Speaker 2: All right, well, I just catapulted every single chance I

989
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,559
had to getting at the interview with him one on

990
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:36,679
one one day. Uh No, but you can try my

991
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,360
work over at Blue Sky, where I share my links

992
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,559
for Yahoo and and for Forbes, and I do the

993
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:46,079
Danish podcast, I do the NBA podcast. So yeah, that

994
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:47,559
is what I'm doing these days.

995
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Speaker 1: Shout out to more, Shout out to you. I hope everybody,

996
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:53,639
as we head into the final couple games of the season,

997
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:57,360
into the playoffs, just has that jolt yes inside, just

998
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,320
come up from within them and travel through their veins

999
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,679
and through their brain and they're just so amped up

1000
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:06,519
and ready to like watch.

1001
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 2: What if everyone has the jolt? Though? Is that too

1002
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:10,599
much jolt?

1003
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Speaker 1: I don't think there is such a thing as too

1004
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,760
much jolt, but I'll ask. I'll email the Kronkeys after

1005
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:16,760
this and see.

1006
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I could just see fans be like really

1007
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,559
pissed that everyone is starting to have jolts, because it's

1008
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:24,280
it's like kind of like the three point thing. Oh

1009
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,000
everyone is shooting threes, not oh everyone else jolts now?

1010
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: It's not the you know, fans, spectators. They step on

1011
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,400
the court mid game and now they're draining logo jumpers like,

1012
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,599
but they just feel the jolt. They can't stop. They're

1013
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:38,480
gonna have to stop running those those like those events

1014
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:40,559
at the middle of halftime where those half court shots

1015
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:44,320
for whatever money they're gonna ensure, Like companies aren't gonna

1016
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,440
want to sponsor those anymore because all these people that

1017
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:49,400
have the jolts on those, I.

1018
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: Know, I know, it's it's crazy. Well, I hope you

1019
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,480
have a good rest of the day with a lot

1020
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of jolts, sir you as well.

1021
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Speaker 1: Until next time, and as always, with the shout out

1022
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,719
to the one, the only, the dab the job