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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Pathway Chili. I'm Robin, I'm Jules.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Ashley. Let's dive right into this week's case.

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<v Speaker 3>October fifteenth, nineteen seventy four, Overland Park, Kansas, thirty two

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<v Speaker 3>year old businessman Gary Simmons leaves his office in order

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<v Speaker 3>to purchase a horse from a man named Tom Dixon.

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<v Speaker 3>Later that day, Gary provides authorization for Dixon to cash

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<v Speaker 3>a thirty thousand dollars check, but he has never heard

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<v Speaker 3>from again, and Dixon also disappears after collecting the money.

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<v Speaker 3>Seventeen years later, gary skeletal remains are discovered inside a

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<v Speaker 3>cave and it turns out that he's been shot in

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<v Speaker 3>the head. Will Dixon is believed to be involved in

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<v Speaker 3>Gary's murder, He's never tracked down, and investigator suspect that

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<v Speaker 3>the whole thing was orchestrated by an unknown third party.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, the path went Chiley. So today we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be covering a very bizarre case which was once

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<v Speaker 1>featured on Unsolved Mysteries, the nineteen seventy four murder of

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Simmons. This story is essentially two mysteries rolled into one,

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<v Speaker 1>as not only does it involve an unsolved murder, but

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<v Speaker 1>an individual who is suspected of being responsible has not

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<v Speaker 1>been seen in over fifty years. Gary Simmons was a

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<v Speaker 1>prominent businessman who lived in Orbitland Park, Kansas, before he

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<v Speaker 1>vanished without a trace, and his skeletal remains would be

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<v Speaker 1>discovered across the state line seventeen years later inside a

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<v Speaker 1>cave in Independence, Missouri. On the day of his disappearance,

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<v Speaker 1>Gary had met up with a man named Tom Dixon

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<v Speaker 1>to supposedly purchase a horse from him, but it's been

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<v Speaker 1>theorized that the whole thing was a setup in order

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<v Speaker 1>to scan Gary out of thirty thousand dollars before he

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<v Speaker 1>was murdered. But what really complicates this case is that

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Dixon also vanished without a trace, and there have

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<v Speaker 1>been no confirmed sightings of him at all since nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four. While the most logical explanation is that Dixon

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<v Speaker 1>took the thirty thousand dollars and disappeared to start a

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<v Speaker 1>new life, this story's a lot more complicated than it

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<v Speaker 1>looks on the surface. There's a lot about this case

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<v Speaker 1>which does not make any sense, and one theory is

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<v Speaker 1>that Dixon was just a cog and an elaborate murder

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<v Speaker 1>plot orchestrated by an unknown third party who subsequently got

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<v Speaker 1>rid of Dixon after he outlived his usefulness. Indeed, the

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<v Speaker 1>original Unsolved Mystery segment left out some key details about

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<v Speaker 1>this story, some of which provide more confusion. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to perform our own in depth exploration on today's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>This is fascinating. I used to live actually right outside

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<v Speaker 2>of Overland Park, Kansas. It's not too far from Kansas City, Kansas,

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<v Speaker 2>in Kansas City, Missouri, so I know over in part

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<v Speaker 2>quite well. And when you look at this case, you

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<v Speaker 2>have thirty thousand dollars that's being exchanged, and that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>sound like a lot, but this was nineteen seventy four,

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<v Speaker 2>so today that would be somewhere between like one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and ninety and two hundred thousand dollars. So that's a

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<v Speaker 2>significant amount of money. Is it enough money to completely

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<v Speaker 2>vanish and disappear and create a new life in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy four, I mean maybe. So you got to keep

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<v Speaker 2>in mind, could Dixon have actually fled and gone somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>like Mexico or even over to Europe because you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to really leave a trail back in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>four to travel or to get to other places. So

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<v Speaker 2>with two hundred thousand dollars in his pocket, basically you

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<v Speaker 2>would think, hey, I mean, he really could have taken

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<v Speaker 2>off on his own. And there's also a second possibility,

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<v Speaker 2>which investigators actually believe that maybe he was actually set

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<v Speaker 2>up to do the execution and then himself got killed

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're absolutely correct that in today's money, thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars is a lot like between one hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 1>and two hundred thousand dollars, And that adds an extra

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<v Speaker 1>element of confusion because, as we're going to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>the cover story is that Gary was going to use

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<v Speaker 1>that money to buy a horse. But his family would say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's very out of the ordinary for him to spend

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<v Speaker 1>that amount of money just to buy a horse. So

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<v Speaker 1>some people have wondered if there's more to the story

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<v Speaker 1>and if he was planning to pay Dixon for other reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>Ashley, did you just know off the top of your

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<v Speaker 3>head that it was about two hundred thousand or did

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<v Speaker 3>you look that up?

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<v Speaker 2>I looked it up. I'm smart, but I'm not that smart.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, damn that is so impressive. But you

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<v Speaker 3>looked it up quickly. I'm impressed by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I wouldn't You said thirty thousand and seventy four.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, could that be enough for him to go

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<v Speaker 2>on the run? And then I looked it up. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean two hundred thousand dollars to flee and start over.

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<v Speaker 2>It could gets you pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>Far, especially somewhere like Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's very true.

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<v Speaker 3>Our story begins in nineteen seventy four in Overland Park, Kansas,

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<v Speaker 3>which is located in Johnson County right next to the

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<v Speaker 3>Missouri state line and is one of the suburbs of

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<v Speaker 3>the Kansas City metropolitan area. Our central figure is thirty

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<v Speaker 3>two year old Gary Simmons, who lives with his wife, Nancy,

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<v Speaker 3>and their son and daughter on a large ranch in

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<v Speaker 3>a rural area just outside Overland Park. Gary is the

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<v Speaker 3>president and owner of the Simmons Petroleum Corporation, which operates

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<v Speaker 3>a chain of independent gas stations in Kansas City, and

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<v Speaker 3>he has a reputation in the community for being a

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<v Speaker 3>hard working, self made man. Gary's biggest hobby is horse trading,

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<v Speaker 3>as he owns and raises twenty three horses on his

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<v Speaker 3>ranch and is a member of numerous local horse clubs.

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<v Speaker 3>On the morning of October fifteenth, Gary went to his

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<v Speaker 3>office in Overland Park and had a meeting with forty

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<v Speaker 3>two year old man named Tom Dixon, who he'd spoken

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<v Speaker 3>to on the phone the previous day. Dixon lived with

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<v Speaker 3>his family in a rural home in the un incorporated

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<v Speaker 3>community of Stillwell and was known for working various jobs

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<v Speaker 3>such as a painter, contractor, and carnival operator. He claimed

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<v Speaker 3>that he was acting as an agent for a man

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<v Speaker 3>who was selling a pure bread apple Lucia horse for

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<v Speaker 3>thirty thousand dollars and Gary was interested in purchasing it.

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<v Speaker 3>At ten fifteen am, Gary told his secretary, Jody Miller,

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<v Speaker 3>that he would be back within an hour or so

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<v Speaker 3>before he and Dixon left the office together. Gary never

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<v Speaker 3>told Jody where he was going, but fifteen minutes after

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<v Speaker 3>he left, Jody received a phone call from him. Gary

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<v Speaker 3>instructed her to make out a thirty thousand dollars check

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<v Speaker 3>to Tom Dixon, which he would be picking up shortly.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure enough, Dixon returned to the office a half hour

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<v Speaker 3>later in order to receive the check and told Jody

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<v Speaker 3>that he would be meeting up with Gary again in

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<v Speaker 3>order to get his signature on it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, question for you, do we know if there

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<v Speaker 2>was already a signature on it? So if I leave

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<v Speaker 2>a check for let's say rebel to pay somebody coming

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<v Speaker 2>to paint, right, I'll write out the person it's too,

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<v Speaker 2>or even leave that blank, and I'll always sign my

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<v Speaker 2>name and write who it's for in the memo line.

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<v Speaker 2>So does Jody remember if it was actually signed and

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<v Speaker 2>if it would make sense for Dixon to need to

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<v Speaker 2>meet up with Gary again.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I'm guessing I thought it wasn't signed, because

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise Dixon never would have said that that I'm specifically

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<v Speaker 1>meeting up with Gary again to get a signature on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, a lot of mysterious things would happen, but

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<v Speaker 1>there would be confirmation that for the next couple hours,

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<v Speaker 1>Gary was confirmed to be alive, So it doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>that far fetched he would send Dixon back to pick

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<v Speaker 1>up the check that was unsigned, and then go back

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<v Speaker 1>to get him to sign it after the transaction is completed.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously, if you just picked up this sign check,

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<v Speaker 1>then Dixon could very well just go cash it and

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<v Speaker 1>then not go up with meet up with Gary again

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<v Speaker 1>to complete the transaction. So I think they were under

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<v Speaker 1>the assumption that they were going to meet up together

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<v Speaker 1>again and that once the transaction was completed, he would

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<v Speaker 1>finally sign it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so he's not basically leaving a check for him

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<v Speaker 2>to grab. He's actually making him go grab something so

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<v Speaker 2>they can complete a transaction together.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it seems like.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that makes more sense. I was like, why

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<v Speaker 2>do we need to go get another signature? He left

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<v Speaker 2>a check for you, But okay. Another thing that's really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting here is that when you look at Dixon, Dixon

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't sound like he would be brokering a deal for

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<v Speaker 2>a two hundred thousand dollars horse. He's somebody who does

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<v Speaker 2>odd jobs and doesn't seem like somebody who fits the bill.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a carnival operator. So when you think about is

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<v Speaker 2>it true that he's actually brokering a deal, or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is he somebody who's being used as, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>a cog in the wheel to get Gary executed. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems much more likely that he's that role, that he's

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<v Speaker 2>been hired as somebody who's kind of a throwaway person

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<v Speaker 2>in the system and he's going to be used to

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<v Speaker 2>kill him because he's kind of this, like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>just more disposable person. Right when you're talking about buying

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<v Speaker 2>a two hundred thousand dollars horse and today's money, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal. You would think this was a very

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<v Speaker 2>esteemed person. This is someone who's in the horse field

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<v Speaker 2>and in you know, actually in that kind of lifestyle,

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<v Speaker 2>and he is anything but that.

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<v Speaker 3>Do we remember the horse Syndicate.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, yeah, we talked about that on previous episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>about like this mafia organization that operated in Chicago in

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<v Speaker 1>the fifties and sixties and used horse racing as their

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<v Speaker 1>cover for money laundering and murdered a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>The horses can go for millions upon millions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>it's insane. So that whole competition and the way people

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<v Speaker 2>will you know, kill horses for insurance and for revenge

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<v Speaker 2>and steal things from each other. It's a it's a mess.

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<v Speaker 3>And don't we think it's a bit wild that if

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<v Speaker 3>Dixon's plan was to secure this thirty thousand dollars from

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<v Speaker 3>Gary and then at the behest of somebody else to

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<v Speaker 3>kill him, that there's this major paper trail. There's people

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<v Speaker 3>that have met d there's Jody, the assistant, and then

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<v Speaker 3>you also have checks. There's people at the banks who've

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<v Speaker 3>seen him. Wouldn't it be better if your objective was

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<v Speaker 3>to run away with the money, to just leave with

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<v Speaker 3>the money and not deliver on the horse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, And you would also think that you would

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<v Speaker 2>have Gary bring you a check that you can go

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<v Speaker 2>deposit or something, or cash like, hey man, you know

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<v Speaker 2>my guy doesn't work in check You're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>bring cash to me. But you're right, they end up

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming going to a bank.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. That's what we're going to talk about right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So around the same time he phoned his secretary, Gary

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<v Speaker 1>placed another call to J. Thomas Bircham, the president of

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<v Speaker 1>the Santa Fe Trail Bank in the suburb of Merriam.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary was scheduled to have a meeting there at ten

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<v Speaker 1>thirty with representative from the McKee Oil Company, who had

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<v Speaker 1>made a business deal with the Simmons Petroleum Corporation. Gary

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<v Speaker 1>would receive a payment of over one hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for the deal, but he asked Bertram if they could

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<v Speaker 1>postpone the meeting until one PM and the McKee represented

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to this. Shortly before noon, Bertram received another phone

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<v Speaker 1>call from Gary, who informed him that a man named

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Dixon would be arriving shortly with a thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars check he had received for the purchase of a horse.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary said he would not be present, but he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to grant his approval for Dixon to cash the check.

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<v Speaker 1>Since Bertram was a personal friend who considered Gary to

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<v Speaker 1>be one of the bank's top customers, he had no

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<v Speaker 1>issues with this. Bertram would later say that he recognized

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<v Speaker 1>Gary's voice on the phone and did not detect anything

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<v Speaker 1>unusual from him. It wasn't long before Dixon showed up

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<v Speaker 1>at the bank with a signed thirty thousand dollars check,

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<v Speaker 1>and since Bertram had seen Gary's signature on several previous occasions,

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<v Speaker 1>he had no reason to believe it wasn't legitimate. Bertram

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<v Speaker 1>asked Dixon if he would be interested in opening up

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<v Speaker 1>an account with them, but Dixon declined, claiming that he

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<v Speaker 1>bank did not have the entire thirty thousand dollars in cash,

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<v Speaker 1>Berchram gave Dixon five thousand dollars in one hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>bills and the rest of the balance in the form

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<v Speaker 1>of a cashier's check. Dixon subsequently took the check to

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<v Speaker 1>the Commercial National Bank of Kansas City and received the

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<v Speaker 1>remaining twenty five thousand dollars in one hundred dollars bills.

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<v Speaker 2>So now this is two banks that he's actually gone

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<v Speaker 2>to and had to be physically present to get access

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<v Speaker 2>to the complete thirty thousand dollars. So Jeles, you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only is Jody the one who's interacted with him,

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<v Speaker 2>but now you have two bankers, one who really knows

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<v Speaker 2>Gary and another bank who's fulfilling the rest of the obligation.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a lot of individuals putting eyes on Dixon

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<v Speaker 2>if he was going to be this hit man for hire, And.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to be pretty memorable when it's thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 3>dollars that you're getting like two hundred thousand dollars in

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<v Speaker 3>today's money, everyone is going to remember you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's why it makes sense to me that

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<v Speaker 1>this whole deal could have been orchestrated by a third

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<v Speaker 1>party and was having Dixon do all the leg work

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<v Speaker 1>and be seen by all the people, so that if

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<v Speaker 1>he was killed later on, this criminal mass mind who

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<v Speaker 1>orchestrated the whole thing could say, well, nobody's seen in

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<v Speaker 1>my face, so there's no evidence that I'm involved.

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<v Speaker 3>At twelve forty five pm, Bircham's secretary received a phone

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<v Speaker 3>call from Gary, who told her that he would be

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<v Speaker 3>a little late for his one pm meeting with the

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<v Speaker 3>McKee oil representative. However, Gary did not show up for

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<v Speaker 3>the meeting at all and was never heard from again.

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<v Speaker 3>He also did not return to his office, and when

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<v Speaker 3>he failed to come home by the following morning, his wife, Nancy,

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<v Speaker 3>contacted the Overland Park Police Department and reported Gary missing.

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<v Speaker 3>At the time of his disappearance, Gary had been driving

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<v Speaker 3>his silver Linking Continental Mark four, but the vehicle could

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<v Speaker 3>also not be found. While Gary's phone call to Birchram's

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<v Speaker 3>secretary was the last time he was confirmed to be alive,

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<v Speaker 3>the last reported eyewitness sighting of Gary was from the

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<v Speaker 3>owner of a truck stop located ten miles from Gary's office.

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<v Speaker 3>The sighting occurred at eleven thirty am on the morning

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<v Speaker 3>of October fifteenth, just over an hour before his final

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<v Speaker 3>phone call, and the truck stop owner claimed that Gary

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<v Speaker 3>was pacing back and forth between the counter and the window,

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<v Speaker 3>and he appeared to be waiting for someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, remember he had actually called and had postponed that

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<v Speaker 2>meeting till one o'clock, and then he ends up calling

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<v Speaker 2>the bank what around twelve thirty or a little bit afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>to say, hey, this guy's coming in with a check.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know for a fact that he called his

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<v Speaker 2>secretary at twelve forty five, but he doesn't show up

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<v Speaker 2>for that one o'clock meeting. So really there's this fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>minute window that something could have happened, and it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>as if he's delaying that meeting because he knows there's

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<v Speaker 2>something else he needs to do before he sits down

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<v Speaker 2>with those individuals. So if one of the things is

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<v Speaker 2>securing that thirty thousand dollars check, is he then waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for someone for quote the horse he's getting? Is he,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pacing back and forth because the people keep

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<v Speaker 2>being late and delayed, which is why his whole day

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<v Speaker 2>has been put off. What's happening? Who is that quote

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<v Speaker 2>third party? And is it directly tied to Dixon?

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<v Speaker 1>What's so weird about the whole thing is that this

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<v Speaker 1>was a pretty important meeting where Gary would have been

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<v Speaker 1>receiving one hundred thousand dollars from the McKee Oil company representative.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're thinking to yourself, even though Gary really loves horses,

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<v Speaker 1>would he really be willing to delay this meeting and

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<v Speaker 1>potentially not make this money just to buy a horse.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what makes no sense about this whole thing,

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<v Speaker 1>is that he just suddenly decides, on this particular morning,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to pay thirty thousand dollars to get this horse,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I have a big business deal coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why people have speculated that there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more to this story and that he wasn't just buying

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<v Speaker 1>a horse. Police spoke to Tom Dixon's wife, Shirley, but

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<v Speaker 1>they learned he had also not returned home on the

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<v Speaker 1>evening of October the fifteenth, and no one knew where

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<v Speaker 1>he was. It turned out that earlier that morning, during

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<v Speaker 1>the time period, he met with Gary Dixon and May

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<v Speaker 1>plans to meet up at the owners of Bob's salvage

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<v Speaker 1>yard in Independence, Missouri, as they happened to be friends

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<v Speaker 1>of his. According to one of the owners, Bob Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>Dixon told him that he had recently purchased some junked

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<v Speaker 1>cars in Waverley, and they were planning to go pick

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<v Speaker 1>them up in order to bring them to the salvage yard.

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<v Speaker 1>Dixon finally arrived at the yard between five and five

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<v Speaker 1>thirty PM, and after apologizing for not showing up that morning,

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<v Speaker 1>he spent the next several hours hanging around there and

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<v Speaker 1>helping out the employees. At around eleven PM, Dixon told

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<v Speaker 1>Williams that he was going to use the phone to

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<v Speaker 1>call home, but they never saw him again, as he

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<v Speaker 1>presumably left without telling them. Dixon's abandoned pickup truck would

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<v Speaker 1>soon be discovered at the Quality Oil Company truck stop

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<v Speaker 1>on US Route sixty nine with the keys in the ignition.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, remember, his wife is saying that, hey, he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>come home that night, and no one knew where he was.

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<v Speaker 2>He tells the guys at the salvage yard at eleven o'clock, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I should check in. Was it normal that eleven

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock wouldn't have been an alarm in and of itself

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<v Speaker 2>for his wife that Hey, you've been gone all day,

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<v Speaker 2>You're hanging out at the salvage yard, and by a

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<v Speaker 2>eleven PM I still haven't heard from you. Was that

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<v Speaker 2>odd in his wife's viewpoint.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not entirely sure. I don't know if it was

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<v Speaker 1>standard practice for him to be out late, but she

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<v Speaker 1>did later tell the police that, no, he never did

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<v Speaker 1>call me at eleven pms, So it seems like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he was just using this as an excuse to leave,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe he got intercepted or something before he got

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<v Speaker 1>the chance to call his wife. But she just thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was very out of the ordinary that he would

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<v Speaker 1>just not show up at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Police eventually spoke to a friend of Dixon's named Tom Callahan,

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<v Speaker 3>who claimed that on the morning of October sixteenth, Dixon

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<v Speaker 3>called him at home and to ask for assistance because

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<v Speaker 3>his pickup truck had broken down at a Quality Oil

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<v Speaker 3>company truck stop. When Callahan drove there to pick him up,

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<v Speaker 3>Dixon asked if he could borrow Callahan's own pickup truck

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<v Speaker 3>for a few hours in order to conduct some quote

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<v Speaker 3>personal business. Callahan agreed to the request, and after he

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<v Speaker 3>was dropped off at his home, Dixon left in Callahan's

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<v Speaker 3>truck and returned about two hours later. Dixon told Callahan

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<v Speaker 3>that he'd just been hired to be the driver of

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<v Speaker 3>a cross country rig and asked for a ride to

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<v Speaker 3>the Heart of America Truck Plaza, located near Interstate thirty

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<v Speaker 3>five in the suburb of Oleitha. Callahan said that he

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<v Speaker 3>drove Dixon to the truck Plaza and dropped him off

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<v Speaker 3>at around one thirty PM, but this was the last

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<v Speaker 3>time anyone ever saw him. However, Shirley Dixon claimed that

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<v Speaker 3>she received a call from her husband at around three

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<v Speaker 3>pm that same afternoon. By this point, Nancy Simmons had

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<v Speaker 3>already reported Gary missing, and the police had asked Shirley

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<v Speaker 3>about her husband's potential involvement. When Shirley asked Tom who

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<v Speaker 3>Gary Simmons was, he confirmed that he did meet up

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<v Speaker 3>with him, but he had not seen Gary since the

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<v Speaker 3>previous day. Before he ended the call, Dixon told his

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<v Speaker 3>wife that he was calling from Arkansas and would return

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<v Speaker 3>home that evening, but he never did, and this would

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<v Speaker 3>turn out to be the last time he was confirmed

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<v Speaker 3>to be alive.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a little confusing to me. Help me break

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<v Speaker 2>this down. So we know that Dixon is borrowing his

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<v Speaker 2>friend Tom Callahan's truck. Do we know if Tom's truck

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<v Speaker 2>was nicer like a newer nicer model.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea. It's just I think he's just

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<v Speaker 1>saying that I need to borrow it just because my

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<v Speaker 1>other truck broke down and was having problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I call a lie. Possibly it could be one

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<v Speaker 2>of two things. He's remember going to broke her a

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred thousand dollars deal in today's money. So if

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<v Speaker 2>he's driving up in some credit truck, right, does that

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<v Speaker 2>raise alarm bells? And or could he also be trying

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<v Speaker 2>to move a body with blood and he doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to get that blood in his truck because it would

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<v Speaker 2>be directly tied to him. That's my first thought. Next,

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at the fact that Dixon's going to

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<v Speaker 2>the truck plaza, isn't that where people saw him saw

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<v Speaker 2>Gary pacing back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>This is actually the day after his meeting with Gary.

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<v Speaker 1>So Gary was seen the previous day, and Dixon wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>boring to truck to see Gary because once again, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the day after. So I mean, your theory about

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<v Speaker 1>him using it to move a body, that would make sense,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think we can discount the idea that he

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted a nicer truck to make a better impression.

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<v Speaker 1>For making a horse deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he was moving a body. Then that's his

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<v Speaker 2>quote personal business. I'm sorry I misunderstood that it was

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<v Speaker 2>the next day. Yeah, I think his personal business was

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<v Speaker 2>making sure that forensic evidence was in his friend Tom's

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<v Speaker 2>truck and not his.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that theory. That sounds accurate, That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And to clarify the timeline, he didn't come home the

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<v Speaker 1>previous evening and failed to call his wife, and he

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<v Speaker 1>did call her till three pm the day after, on

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<v Speaker 1>October the sixteenth, which was, of course, the last time

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<v Speaker 1>he was confirmed to be alive. So it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>that was very out of the ordinary. So it makes

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<v Speaker 1>you wonder where was Dixon during the night. Was he

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<v Speaker 1>disposing of a body or something, or was he hiding out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just nothing about his actions that make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So the investigation revealed that Gary and Tom Dixon were

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<v Speaker 1>both members of the Heart of America Horse Association, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was no indication the two men knew each other

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<v Speaker 1>before they met at Gary's office on the morning of

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<v Speaker 1>October fifteenth. Garys secretary Jody Miller, also said that she

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<v Speaker 1>overheard part of the conversation where Gary told Dixon quote

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember you. Even though Gary owned twenty three horses,

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<v Speaker 1>most of them were inexpensive Appalooza brood mares, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had never paid a price as high as thirty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy found it odd that her husband would have agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to such a large purchase without consulting her first, and

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<v Speaker 1>she claimed to have no idea who Tom Dixon was.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary had also written to check at Dixon on a

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<v Speaker 1>rarely used general business account. He added a bank which

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<v Speaker 1>contained exactly thirty thousand dollars. As for Dixon, he was

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<v Speaker 1>in serious debt at the time of his disappearance, as

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<v Speaker 1>two houses he had been constructing around finished and the

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<v Speaker 1>firms holding the mortgages on them were granted judgments totaling

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<v Speaker 1>about one hundred and fifty thousand dollars in foreclosure proceedings

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<v Speaker 1>which would force Dixon family to move out of their home.

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<v Speaker 1>On April twenty second, nineteen seventy five, six months after

423
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<v Speaker 1>Gary's disappearance, the Least Summit underwater Recovery unit arrived at

424
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<v Speaker 1>Lebanite Park in the suburb of Sugar Creek after a

425
00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:17.000
<v Speaker 1>confidential tip was phoned in about a Cadillac that had

426
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<v Speaker 1>recently been dumped in the Missouri River. While searching the water,

427
00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:24.720
<v Speaker 1>the recovery unit wound up discovering a submerged Lincoln Continental,

428
00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:28.319
<v Speaker 1>which turned out to be Gary Simmons missing vehicle. It

429
00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:30.799
<v Speaker 1>was found about one hundred yards from a boat ramp,

430
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<v Speaker 1>and it appeared that someone placed a rock on the

431
00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:37.240
<v Speaker 1>accelerator to intentionally drive the car into the river. The

432
00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:40.599
<v Speaker 1>aforementioned Cadillac was also found, but it turned out to

433
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<v Speaker 1>have no connection to this case, and it was just

434
00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:45.279
<v Speaker 1>an odd coincidence that had happened to be in the

435
00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:49.640
<v Speaker 1>water so close to Gary's Lincoln Continental. Even though Gary

436
00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.559
<v Speaker 1>had gone missing from Kansas, the discovery of the car

437
00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:55.519
<v Speaker 1>over the state line in Missouri technically made it a

438
00:22:55.559 --> 00:23:00.519
<v Speaker 1>federal case, so the FBI became involved in the investigation. However,

439
00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:03.119
<v Speaker 1>they add no success turning up any trace of Gary

440
00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:07.160
<v Speaker 1>or Tom Dixon, and after officially being missing for seven years,

441
00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Gary was legally declared dead in October of nineteen eighty one,

442
00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:15.720
<v Speaker 1>but one decade later the investigation would be rejuvenated in

443
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<v Speaker 1>a most unexpected fashion.

444
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<v Speaker 2>That's wild. We know for a fact that clearly he

445
00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:25.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't drive, or I mean, he wasn't in the vehicle

446
00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:27.359
<v Speaker 2>when he drove it in, because there was a rock

447
00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:30.960
<v Speaker 2>put on the accelerator. I'm assuming people who found it said, well,

448
00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:33.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, if Gary wanted to disappear, he could have

449
00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.599
<v Speaker 2>put his own car in that area. We know later

450
00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:39.759
<v Speaker 2>we're going to find out that that likely is not

451
00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:44.640
<v Speaker 2>the case. But oh man, you would think that. You

452
00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.240
<v Speaker 2>look at this, and Dixon has a reason to be

453
00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:52.000
<v Speaker 2>desperate for money. I just don't understand why Gary has

454
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<v Speaker 2>that like urgent desperation as well, because he's even coming

455
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<v Speaker 2>into one hundred thousand dollars later that afternoon. So while

456
00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:01.920
<v Speaker 2>it makes sense that Dixon would basically do anything if

457
00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:04.519
<v Speaker 2>he was promised money, why Gary.

458
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is the big mystery of this case. And

459
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<v Speaker 1>later on in the episode, we're going to talk about

460
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<v Speaker 1>the fact that his chain of gas stations were having

461
00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:15.599
<v Speaker 1>financial problems because of the oil embargo during the nineteen seventies.

462
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:17.920
<v Speaker 1>But like you just said, he was scheduled to receive

463
00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:20.480
<v Speaker 1>one hundred thousand dollars payment at the bank that day,

464
00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:23.759
<v Speaker 1>and he flat out decided to postpone the meeting just

465
00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:26.799
<v Speaker 1>so he could make this horse deal for thirty thousand dollars.

466
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<v Speaker 1>And it just makes you wonder why was it so

467
00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:32.880
<v Speaker 1>important to potentially jeopardize a business deal that's pretty much

468
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:33.960
<v Speaker 1>going to save your company.

469
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<v Speaker 3>And it's odd that he didn't tell his wife too.

470
00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:41.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's a pretty large purchase, Like Ashley said,

471
00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:45.079
<v Speaker 3>it's around two hundred thousand dollars in today's money, and

472
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:46.960
<v Speaker 3>I guess what he would be receiving would be like

473
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:50.319
<v Speaker 3>around seven or seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And

474
00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:53.160
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't mean the same thing. If your gas stations

475
00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:57.519
<v Speaker 3>are in financial they're having financial difficulties, you would maybe

476
00:24:57.519 --> 00:24:59.319
<v Speaker 3>want to be pumping some of that money back into

477
00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:02.240
<v Speaker 3>the gas station than not buying a horse that's worth

478
00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:07.480
<v Speaker 3>like two hundred thousand dollars. It seems very strange. On

479
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<v Speaker 3>October sixteenth, nineteen ninety one, one day after the seventeen

480
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<v Speaker 3>year anniversary of Gary's disappearance, a school bus driver named

481
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<v Speaker 3>Tyrone Rawlins was working at his company's bus yard in Independence, Missouri.

482
00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:24.079
<v Speaker 3>Tyrone claimed he'd always had an eerie feeling about the

483
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:27.759
<v Speaker 3>rocky outcroppings located behind the bus yard, and on this

484
00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:30.960
<v Speaker 3>particular day, he decided to climb them and go exploring.

485
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:34.720
<v Speaker 3>After being overcome with what he described as a weird premonition.

486
00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:38.400
<v Speaker 3>When Tyrone reached the north side of the hill, he

487
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.359
<v Speaker 3>noticed a hidden cave and went inside it with a flashlight.

488
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<v Speaker 3>To his shock, he soon discovered a pair of cowboy

489
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<v Speaker 3>boots alongside a human skeleton which was clad in decaying clothing.

490
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<v Speaker 3>After the police were summoned to the scene, they found

491
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:56.680
<v Speaker 3>Gary Simmons driver's license in the victim's pants pocket. Dental

492
00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:00.319
<v Speaker 3>records would eventually be used to positively identify him, and

493
00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:02.599
<v Speaker 3>it turned out that he'd been shot once in the head.

494
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.359
<v Speaker 3>Since the Countess cloth was discovered inside the cave, this

495
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:09.359
<v Speaker 3>seemed to indicate that Gary had been murdered elsewhere before

496
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:12.440
<v Speaker 3>his body was placed there. This type of cloth was

497
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:15.279
<v Speaker 3>commonly used by painters, which had been one of Tom

498
00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:19.279
<v Speaker 3>Dixon's jobs before he disappeared. So that was another piece

499
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:22.559
<v Speaker 3>of evidence which seemed to point towards Dixon being the perpetrator.

500
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<v Speaker 2>So you're saying there was basically like a painter's tarp

501
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:27.960
<v Speaker 2>almost that was found with him.

502
00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that he was wrapped up in. So that's what

503
00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:32.119
<v Speaker 1>they probably moved to move the That's what they probably

504
00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:33.079
<v Speaker 1>used to move the body.

505
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.599
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that makes sense, and therefore it doesn't really matter

506
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:39.000
<v Speaker 2>the rest of it. No one's going to complete suicide

507
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:41.279
<v Speaker 2>by wrapping themselves in a tarp and then attempting to

508
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:46.200
<v Speaker 2>shoot themselves. So that's so bizarre. And you look at Tyrone,

509
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:47.960
<v Speaker 2>he says, Hey, I just had this kind of Inklan

510
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:51.440
<v Speaker 2>that something's not right. I'm going to go explore. I

511
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:54.319
<v Speaker 2>believe that people have that ability, or that you have

512
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:57.079
<v Speaker 2>this gut kind of premonition once in a while where

513
00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you would ever anticipate finding a human

514
00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>body wrapped up in a tarp. But it's always so

515
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:08.200
<v Speaker 2>crazy to me when something like what Tyrone had happened

516
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:11.240
<v Speaker 2>actually occurs. Clearly, this man doesn't have anything to do

517
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:13.640
<v Speaker 2>with it, but your first thought would be like, well,

518
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.359
<v Speaker 2>how would he know. I just think it's one of

519
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:17.359
<v Speaker 2>those kind of sixth sense kind of things. It's really

520
00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:18.200
<v Speaker 2>fascinating to me.

521
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 1>It's true, like some people hear this part of the

522
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:23.119
<v Speaker 1>story and they get suspicious of Tyron and think that

523
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.039
<v Speaker 1>he might be involved with the murder. But he was

524
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:27.440
<v Speaker 1>in his early to mid twenties at the time, meaning

525
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:29.720
<v Speaker 1>that he would have been like six or seven years

526
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.200
<v Speaker 1>old by the time that Gary went missing, So He's

527
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:35.039
<v Speaker 1>obviously not involved in what happened, so it could just

528
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:37.319
<v Speaker 1>be one of those things where he just had this

529
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.279
<v Speaker 1>weird premonition and lo and behold that actually paid off

530
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and he did find someone.

531
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<v Speaker 3>And I think we've all been to places where the

532
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.920
<v Speaker 3>vibes are off. You can just feel it in the air.

533
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.240
<v Speaker 3>There's something ominous or nefarious about the place that you're

534
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:53.279
<v Speaker 3>in and you just want to get out. You hear

535
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:55.680
<v Speaker 3>people talk about that when they go to the catacombs

536
00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:00.319
<v Speaker 3>in Paris, for example. Right, it's like oppressed, absolutely, And

537
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.279
<v Speaker 3>so this doesn't surprise me. I think if you've got

538
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:06.599
<v Speaker 3>these rocky oat croppings close by, if there's some kind

539
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.640
<v Speaker 3>of energy imprinted that could have been from the murder

540
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.480
<v Speaker 3>or the disposal of the body, the fact that human

541
00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:14.839
<v Speaker 3>beings could pick up on it, I don't think is

542
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.279
<v Speaker 3>so far fetched, and I do believe that human beings

543
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:19.400
<v Speaker 3>all have that ability to different degrees.

544
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:23.519
<v Speaker 1>The whole situation compelled Tyrone Rawlins to send a letter

545
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to Unsolved Mysteries requesting them to feature Gary's case on

546
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:30.079
<v Speaker 1>their show. They decided to cover this story on an

547
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:32.759
<v Speaker 1>episode which aired on April the eighth, nineteen ninety two.

548
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:35.799
<v Speaker 1>But while they were filming this segment, a local rancher

549
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.720
<v Speaker 1>named Roy Hilton came forward and shared some surprising new information.

550
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.920
<v Speaker 1>For years, the authorities assumed that dixon so called horse

551
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:46.599
<v Speaker 1>deal was bogus and used as a ruse to scam

552
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Gary out of thirty thousand dollars before he was murdered. However,

553
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Hilton knew both men personally and claimed that he saw

554
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Gary at the Whispering Downs Horse ranch on the same

555
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>day he went missing. Hilton said that Gary personally showed

556
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:02.480
<v Speaker 1>him the horse he was planning to buy, and he

557
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>also witnessed Gary make two phone calls from the ranch,

558
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:08.359
<v Speaker 1>the call to his secretary asking her to make out

559
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>a thirty thousand dollars check for Dixon, and his call

560
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.079
<v Speaker 1>to the bank authorizing Dixon to cash it. In addition

561
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.839
<v Speaker 1>to Hilton's new information, investigators were taken by surprise when

562
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.079
<v Speaker 1>they decided to reinterview Bob Williams, the co owner of

563
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Bob's Salvagyard, who revised his original story about his interactions

564
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.240
<v Speaker 1>with Tom Dixon that day. Williams now claimed that Dixon

565
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>arrived at the salvage yard in the Lincoln Continental and

566
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.559
<v Speaker 1>inquired about the possibility of using the yard's car crusher

567
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:39.440
<v Speaker 1>to get rid of it. Williams said this would attract

568
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of attention and advised Dixon that the easiest

569
00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:44.799
<v Speaker 1>way to make the car disappear would be to put

570
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>a brick on the accelerator and drive it off a

571
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:50.599
<v Speaker 1>boat ramp into the Missouri River. Well, sure enough, the

572
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.359
<v Speaker 1>spot where Gary's Lincoln Continental was found in the river

573
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:56.920
<v Speaker 1>six months later was only five miles from the salvage yard.

574
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.279
<v Speaker 1>As a result of William's new story, police He's were

575
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>able to issue a new arrest warrant charging Dixon with

576
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:05.799
<v Speaker 1>auto theft, though they lack the evidence to charge him

577
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:06.359
<v Speaker 1>with murder.

578
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to give props to Bob Williams. Clearly

579
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:12.960
<v Speaker 2>he's a CD individual who has no problem being like,

580
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.400
<v Speaker 2>oh wait a minute, let me help you get rid

581
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.440
<v Speaker 2>of that vehicle a different way, right. But he does

582
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.559
<v Speaker 2>eventually tell the truth, and without that we kind of

583
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.039
<v Speaker 2>would have lost track of what happened with Dixon. He

584
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:30.799
<v Speaker 2>arrives in what we would allude to is Gary's Lincoln,

585
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:34.519
<v Speaker 2>and then that same Lincoln is found with exactly what

586
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Bob told him to do, put a brick on the

587
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.519
<v Speaker 2>accelerator and put it down into the Missouri River. And

588
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:42.559
<v Speaker 2>that's exactly what he did. I mean, he did eventually

589
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>come forward, so props to Bob Williams.

590
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:48.319
<v Speaker 1>But I do think it's weird that he didn't put

591
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.559
<v Speaker 1>two and two together at the time, because Gary's disappearance

592
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.359
<v Speaker 1>made the news back in nineteen seventy four, and I'm

593
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:57.079
<v Speaker 1>guessing maybe Williams didn't read about the discovery of the

594
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Continental in the river six months later, because otherwise

595
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.480
<v Speaker 1>he should have put two and two together and realized, Hey,

596
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the same car that Dixon told me to dispose of.

597
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>But who knows, maybe he forgot about it. And then

598
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>when he read about the discovery of Gary's body in

599
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.119
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety one, just a light bulb went off over

600
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:13.559
<v Speaker 1>his head.

601
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Or did he not say something because it was like,

602
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.319
<v Speaker 2>holy crap, I'm now part of a murder, you know?

603
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.759
<v Speaker 2>At first? Was he too worried about being caught in

604
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>the middle of it?

605
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Might be. I mean, obviously he's a shady person if

606
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>he's telling people to like run cars off into the river,

607
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.559
<v Speaker 1>which is not just average advice you give to a customer.

608
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's kind of weird these people coming forward

609
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.799
<v Speaker 1>because Roy Hilton's story about seeing Gary at the Horse Ranch.

610
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.319
<v Speaker 1>I keep thinking, why didn't he come forward with this

611
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:41.599
<v Speaker 1>with his back in nineteen seventy four, or did he

612
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:43.759
<v Speaker 1>just not realize the significance at the time.

613
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.000
<v Speaker 3>For years, an alternate theory presented for Gary's disappearance was

614
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.519
<v Speaker 3>that he'd been murdered over black market gasoline. In October

615
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.119
<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy three, the United States and several other nations

616
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.000
<v Speaker 3>were hit with an oil crisis when members of the

617
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries proclaimed in oil embargo.

618
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.480
<v Speaker 3>By the time the embargo ended five months later, the

619
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.519
<v Speaker 3>price of oil had increased by nearly three hundred percent,

620
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:14.559
<v Speaker 3>which had serious financial impact on many people in the business.

621
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.400
<v Speaker 3>This included the Simmons Petroleum Corporation, as the embargo caused

622
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.480
<v Speaker 3>Gary's regular suppliers to be cut off and he was

623
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.920
<v Speaker 3>forced to buy gasoline from other suppliers that inflated prices.

624
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:29.079
<v Speaker 3>At the time, Gary had been operating a chain of

625
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.799
<v Speaker 3>sixteen gas stations, but was unable to purchase enough fuel

626
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.759
<v Speaker 3>to keep them all supplied, forcing him to close many

627
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.440
<v Speaker 3>of the stations. Indeed, the oil crisis forced a number

628
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 3>of independent operators to purchase gasoline from legal vendors at

629
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:47.519
<v Speaker 3>inflated prices in order to keep their businesses afloat. At

630
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:51.160
<v Speaker 3>one point, Gary's family hired a private investigator who uncovered

631
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.720
<v Speaker 3>information which made him suspect that Gary was killed because

632
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:57.599
<v Speaker 3>he was scheduled to testify as part of a federal

633
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<v Speaker 3>US Department of Energy investigation into black marke gasoline fails.

634
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<v Speaker 3>Gary could have purchased gasoline from a source from a

635
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<v Speaker 3>source without knowing it was black market, but once he

636
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<v Speaker 3>found out and spoke out about it, his life was

637
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<v Speaker 3>put in danger. However, investigators never found any evidence to

638
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:19.160
<v Speaker 3>suggest that Gary was involved in anything illegal, and his

639
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.599
<v Speaker 3>family did not believe that he ever would have purchased

640
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:26.640
<v Speaker 3>black market gasoline. Even though Gary had experienced economic hardship,

641
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<v Speaker 3>business had started picking up for him again in nineteen

642
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<v Speaker 3>seventy four. He was able to reopen some of his

643
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:35.119
<v Speaker 3>gas stations, and at the time he went missing, ten

644
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.039
<v Speaker 3>of them were in operation. One theory which investigators did

645
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<v Speaker 3>believe was that Tom Dixon was not the sole mastermind

646
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<v Speaker 3>behind Gary's disappearance, as he did not think that he

647
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<v Speaker 3>had the smarts to orchestrate an elaborate murder plot on

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00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.480
<v Speaker 3>his own. They suspected that Dixon might have been hired

649
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<v Speaker 3>by an unknown third party who subsequently double crossed Dixon

650
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:59.039
<v Speaker 3>and killed him as well before disposing of his body,

651
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<v Speaker 3>though it was never conclusively proven. If Dixon is alive

652
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.640
<v Speaker 3>or dead, there's been no paper trail for him since

653
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.519
<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy four. He's technically still a wanted fugitive for

654
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.920
<v Speaker 3>the auto theft charges, and if Dixon is still alive today,

655
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<v Speaker 3>he would currently be ninety three years old. But until

656
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Tom Dixon or any other evidence can be found, the

657
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.960
<v Speaker 3>murder of Gary Simmons will continue to remain unsolved.

658
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<v Speaker 1>So I guess you could say the path went chili.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to completely agree. I don't think that Dixon. Remember,

660
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.760
<v Speaker 2>he's somebody who struggles to keep a job. He has

661
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:36.360
<v Speaker 2>odd jobs, he works carnivals. He just doesn't seem like

662
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.639
<v Speaker 2>the person. Like I said earlier, they would even be

663
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<v Speaker 2>involved in the horse industry at the level of trading

664
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.960
<v Speaker 2>and buying and selling, but also who would be able

665
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:49.039
<v Speaker 2>to orchestrate an entire murder plot to steal money with

666
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.440
<v Speaker 2>the cover of the horse farm. But a question if

667
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:56.559
<v Speaker 2>Gary was truly at the horse farm. Is it possible

668
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<v Speaker 2>that the man telling him, hey, I saw him, Could

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<v Speaker 2>he oh more than he's saying? Could he be like

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<v Speaker 2>part of the plot, or could it be someone at

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<v Speaker 2>the horse firm.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so, because I know that Roy Hilton

673
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<v Speaker 1>was interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries after he came forward because

674
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.559
<v Speaker 1>they were in the middle of filming the segment in

675
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.400
<v Speaker 1>the town, and that he learned about it in the

676
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:18.599
<v Speaker 1>newspaper and says, oh, by the way, I have this

677
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:20.880
<v Speaker 1>new information and I'm going to come forward and share

678
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>it on National TV. And I'd like to think that

679
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<v Speaker 1>if he knew something, or if he was involved in

680
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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing, he probably would have kept his mouth

681
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<v Speaker 1>shut and not gone on National TV. So, like I

682
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<v Speaker 1>mentioned in the intro, I was only familiar with the

683
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>case from Unsolved Mysteries, but once I started researching it,

684
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<v Speaker 1>it wound up being a lot more convoluted than I

685
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.519
<v Speaker 1>was expecting. The original Unsolved Mystery segment is structured in

686
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<v Speaker 1>an odd way, as the first few minutes focus on

687
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<v Speaker 1>Tyrone Rollins's so called premonition, which led to him discovering

688
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<v Speaker 1>Gary Simmonson's skeleton, inside a cave. You initially get the

689
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 1>impression that it's going to be some sort of paranormal

690
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:01.039
<v Speaker 1>theme segment about people's alleged psychic ability, But then the

691
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<v Speaker 1>entire side story about Tyrone Rollins is dropped and the

692
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:08.559
<v Speaker 1>segment morphs into a pretty compelling story about an unsolved murder.

693
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<v Speaker 1>But the section with Tyrone is still pretty bizarre, because,

694
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.159
<v Speaker 1>seemingly on a whim, he just decided to explore a

695
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.039
<v Speaker 1>hidden cave and stumbled upon the remains of a person

696
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:21.400
<v Speaker 1>who had been missing for seventeen years. I can see

697
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.199
<v Speaker 1>how that might come across as suspicious, but given that

698
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Tyrone would have been a young kid at the time

699
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Gary was murdered, there's no reason to believe he was involved,

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<v Speaker 1>though I'm sure it still must have been awkward for

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00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:35.880
<v Speaker 1>him to explain the situation to the police. However, when

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<v Speaker 1>I read the original newspaper articles about Tyrone's discovery, they

703
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:43.039
<v Speaker 1>reported that exploring random caves was one of his hobbies,

704
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<v Speaker 1>and this is why he just happened to find the skeleton.

705
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Given that Tyrone was the one who brought this case

706
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.000
<v Speaker 1>to the attention of unsolved mysteries in the first place

707
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.639
<v Speaker 1>by writing them a letter. You have to wonder if

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00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>he might have decided to exaggerate this premonition stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>help ensure the case would be featured on the pro

710
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:04.280
<v Speaker 1>and he would get interviewed on national television. But Unsolved

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00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Mysteries was not the only media outlet to attempted to

712
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.800
<v Speaker 1>sensationalize this part of the story. If you do a

713
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:13.679
<v Speaker 1>search online, you'll find an article about this case in

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00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:17.280
<v Speaker 1>the January fourteenth, nineteen ninety two edition of the infamous

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<v Speaker 1>tabloid The Weekly World News. They mentioned that when Gary

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00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:24.159
<v Speaker 1>originally went missing, a psychic apparently said that he would

717
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>be found in a quote unquote cold dark place, and well,

718
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:31.360
<v Speaker 1>he was found in a cold dark place. However, I

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<v Speaker 1>might have to question the credibility of this story considering

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<v Speaker 1>that the main headline of this particular edition of The

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<v Speaker 1>Weekly World News was Lockness Monster captured and well, as

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<v Speaker 1>far as I can tell, the lock Nest Monster has

723
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.840
<v Speaker 1>not been captured. So from now on, I think we

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00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:49.440
<v Speaker 1>could move away from the psychic premonition angle of this

725
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.079
<v Speaker 1>case and start focusing on the actual crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, And think about this a cold dark place

727
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.639
<v Speaker 2>that's not that specific. It could be a crawl space

728
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.039
<v Speaker 2>it could be a cave, it could be a million

729
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 2>different things right a basement somewhere. I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't really shock me. Now, I will say Tyrone's experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I think even things like the Holy Spirit, I think

732
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.880
<v Speaker 2>there's influences of like spiritual force and where you can

733
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:19.840
<v Speaker 2>feel energies and things like that. But I know, I

734
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:21.840
<v Speaker 2>mean in my own life, it's happened to me where

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00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.360
<v Speaker 2>I see something that is gonna happen or I woke

736
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<v Speaker 2>up about I don't know about six months ago and

737
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.320
<v Speaker 2>I knew in my gut my store was on fire downtown.

738
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<v Speaker 2>And I woke Rebel up and I was like, Rebel,

739
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<v Speaker 2>did you blow the candles out at the store? And

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, yeah, I'm ninety eight percent sure that I

741
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.480
<v Speaker 2>blew them out. And I was so mad, and I

742
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:42.039
<v Speaker 2>was like, ninety eight percent is not gonna cut it

743
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:45.000
<v Speaker 2>right if our store's on fire. I got in my car,

744
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.119
<v Speaker 2>drove downtown and as I pulled around the corner, there's

745
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<v Speaker 2>flames in front of my store. Someone had put their

746
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.360
<v Speaker 2>cigarettes out in my planner and it was on fire

747
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.400
<v Speaker 2>but crawling up the front of my store. Legit. I

748
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:00.960
<v Speaker 2>woke up out of a dead sleep. My store was

749
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.880
<v Speaker 2>on fire. Something happened right there, do you know what

750
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean? We're like you see and know something. So

751
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.280
<v Speaker 2>I think Tyrone very well could have been like something's

752
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:12.239
<v Speaker 2>wrong in that cave, I'm going up there, or something's

753
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:13.639
<v Speaker 2>wrong in that area, I'm going up there.

754
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<v Speaker 3>I think you're just like so connected to your store

755
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.079
<v Speaker 3>and everything in it that you've like imprinted on it.

756
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.400
<v Speaker 3>There's this quantum entanglement that like it is part of you,

757
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.480
<v Speaker 3>so that you can feel when something bad is happening.

758
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:28.280
<v Speaker 3>And I just think that maybe you're more perceptive to that,

759
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:31.519
<v Speaker 3>and I've had similar experiences, but I think some people

760
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.199
<v Speaker 3>will get a feeling like that, but then they'll just

761
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.079
<v Speaker 3>be like the logical part of their brain will say,

762
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:38.760
<v Speaker 3>oh no, that can't be real, Like I'm not a psychic.

763
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:42.360
<v Speaker 3>And I think that Tyrone said a very vague thing,

764
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.079
<v Speaker 3>like I had a premonition, Like maybe you were just

765
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:47.960
<v Speaker 3>called towards that area because you thought that there was

766
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:51.360
<v Speaker 3>just really strange vibes there, and so you thought that

767
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.440
<v Speaker 3>you'd explore the caves. But like premonition, he doesn't go

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<v Speaker 3>into what that premonition is.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And another thing that makes you. I know

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<v Speaker 1>some people have wondered, well, maybe if he wasn't personally

771
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>involved in the murder, that maybe he knew someone who

772
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.840
<v Speaker 1>was or somebody told them something. But let's not forget

773
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<v Speaker 1>that this is an independence Missouri and Gary originally went

774
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:14.559
<v Speaker 1>missing in Overland Park, Kansas, across the state line. So

775
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Tyrone I don't think would have had any connection to

776
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:19.239
<v Speaker 1>this case or anyone that he knew, and it probably

777
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.320
<v Speaker 1>was just a coincidence and a genuine premonition that he

778
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:23.960
<v Speaker 1>happened to find Gary's remains.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was a child, right, I mean he was

780
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<v Speaker 2>a child when Gary went missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's correct, So that's why he was ruled out

782
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<v Speaker 1>as a suspect. Though I always wonder though, if he

783
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<v Speaker 1>was around the age where he would have been an

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<v Speaker 1>adult at the time Gary went missing. I wonder if

785
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 1>you would have been more hesitant to go to the police, thinking, well,

786
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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna blame me for this because I'm the one

787
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:42.760
<v Speaker 1>who led them to the body.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that always is one of the first thoughts, Right,

789
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<v Speaker 2>it's either someone they know or the person that found them.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen so many cases where people put themselves into

791
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:54.800
<v Speaker 2>the case when the last thing they should be doing

792
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:58.000
<v Speaker 2>is drawing attention to themselves. But not every criminal is smart,

793
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<v Speaker 2>and hey, I'm really interested in the longness month being captured.

794
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what Part two is going to be about.

795
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<v Speaker 1>We're just going to focus on that angle.

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<v Speaker 2>We're so excited.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that about brings an end to part

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<v Speaker 1>one of our series. Join us next week as we

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<v Speaker 1>present part two of our series on the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Simmons.

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<v Speaker 3>Robin, do you want to tell us a little bit

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