WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:12.679 Hell and welcome Mythic Mind, where we pursue wisdom on 2 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:15.960 the path between primary secondary world. I'm your host, Angrew Sneider, 3 00:00:16.120 --> 00:00:24.839 and I am always grateful for your company. Hey there, 4 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:27.320 welcome back, and today we're going to be continuing our 5 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:30.199 patron chat on the poetic Eda. But first I want 6 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:32.359 to go ahead and thank all of my patrons that 7 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:34.640 make this kind of thing possible, as well as all 8 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:37.159 the other various things that I do independently and the 9 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:40.600 things that we collaborate on as the fellowship. Right now, 10 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:43.679 we are just on the verge of having fifty paid patrons, 11 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:46.119 which is incredible. 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It gives you full access to the discord 23 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:23.239 and lets you participate in things like this, and I 24 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:25.400 want to highlight some of the really cool things that 25 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:27.799 are coming up this year. If you purchase an annual 26 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:30.280 Tier three membership, then I'm going to give you full 27 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:32.959 access to the courses that are currently on the books 28 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:36.319 and so coming up, that's a Brief History of Ideas, 29 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:39.000 which is kind of like intro to Philosophy, but it's 30 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:41.599 going to be better than I mean, as somebody who's 31 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:43.959 taught intro to Philosophy a number of times, I can 32 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:45.560 tell you it's going to be better than the vast 33 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:48.879 majority of intro to Philosophy university courses. And so only 34 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:52.599 covering six weeks, I include all of the pds for 35 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:56.719 the readings. I mean, I'll recommend probably some other translations 36 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:59.159 and some hard copies that you should get, but I'm 37 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:01.079 not going to mandate that you buy any text. And 38 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.359 so some version of the text that we will be 39 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:06.840 reading will be available through the Google Classrooms, the platform 40 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:09.560 that I'm using now. And so that's a Brief History 41 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:11.479 of Ideas. That's the next one that's coming up. And 42 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:15.080 then following that, we're going to do Plato Stoicism until 43 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:17.360 we have faces. That's the study that I'm really excited 44 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:20.080 about putting together. And then a little bit later around 45 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:23.360 September or so, we'll be doing the Elder Scrolls and philosophy, 46 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:26.240 which is kind of cool that, you know, I've mostly 47 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:28.599 been doing a literary focused but I think that there's 48 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:31.080 some potential here for dealing with the questions of like, 49 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:34.199 how does how do video games relate to literature as 50 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:37.719 an art form? What are its advantages, what are its disadvantages? 51 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:40.840 And then what are the philosophical and religious ideas that 52 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:43.520 we see in the Elder Scrolls in particular, and how 53 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:46.439 does that relate to kind of our primary world ideas? 54 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:47.919 And so I think that there are a lot of 55 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:50.319 different angles that we're going to use. There, a lot 56 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:52.360 of different lenses. I think it's can be really an 57 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:55.159 interesting study. And again, if you sign on with a 58 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:57.919 Tier three annual patronage, then you will get access to 59 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:01.560 all of that for one price. And furthermore, by becoming 60 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:03.800 a patron of Mythic Mind at any level, you're going 61 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:06.759 to get a discount on any courses that come from 62 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:09.000 other Mythic Mind creators. And so right now we've got 63 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:12.319 Hannah Gilmore. She's putting together an introductory of Latin course 64 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:15.520 that's coming up in May that it looks really good, 65 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:17.680 you know, I've looked over what she's posted to her 66 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:21.360 Google classroom. I look forward to participating personally. And so 67 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:23.680 if you want to get started with Latin as well 68 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:27.400 as to learn a little bit about Roman culture and history, 69 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:29.800 then you should enroll in her course, and I'll leave 70 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:32.039 a link to her patreon in the show notes as well. 71 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:34.479 But if you come a Mythic Mind patron at any level, 72 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:36.439 you get half off that course, and so that could 73 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:38.400 be a good way to go there if that interests you. 74 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:41.680 And you also get half off of any other courses 75 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:44.520 made by Fellowship members that may be coming up this year. 76 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:46.960 But for right now, I really want to thank all 77 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.919 of my current patrons, and especially those who are at 78 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.919 the Tier three or higher, and so many things to 79 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:57.159 Mark chaz Arin, Clinton, Evy, Jamie Justin, Kyle, Mariah, Paul 80 00:03:57.280 --> 00:03:59.639 Tyler and William and of course thanks to all the 81 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:02.840 other thirty five paid patrons as well. 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Welcome back as we continue with 102 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:07.959 our edit chats with the next series of texts here, 103 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:12.759 which mostly continue to deal with the Volsong Saga and 104 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:18.399 Cigaurd and Zigmund and whatnot. As a reminder to anyone 105 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:20.720 who's listening or who is tuning in for the first time, 106 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:23.959 none of us are at all experts on these texts. 107 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:26.720 I mean, we're all kind of interested in myths and 108 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:29.879 fantasy and the things that these texts have inspired. But 109 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:32.959 we're definitely just kind of amateurs going up the river 110 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:34.720 here and seeing what we can find along the way. 111 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:40.040 But before we get into the text, to just check 112 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:42.279 in with Thomas and Josh, I mean, do you guys 113 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:44.160 have anything going on, anything you want to plug any 114 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:45.399 updates to provide for us. 115 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:51.279 Thomas, Yeah, So, as of recording that, this is still February, 116 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:55.560 and earlier this month, my debut children's book finally came 117 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:59.360 out from the Great Folks that weren't on Fire Votive, 118 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.519 though if you go to bookstore dot word on fire 119 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:06.079 dot com you can see my new book, The Riddle 120 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:10.319 of the Tongue Stones, How Blessed Nicholas Steno Uncovered The 121 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:14.800 Hidden History of the Earth. It's children's nonfiction for ages 122 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:19.319 about eight through fourteen, and it's the story of Nicholas Steno, 123 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:23.480 who was a pioneering geologist and also a Catholic priest 124 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:26.399 and a very holy man. And I go through his 125 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:31.560 whole story of literally laying the groundwork for the science 126 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:35.839 of geology. And as of tomorrow, I'll be starting work 127 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:38.920 on what I hope will be the follow up book, 128 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:41.480 so we'll see good. 129 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:45.839 That's fantastic. So what in particular led you here? I mean, no, 130 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:47.879 obviously you're you know, you've got your science background, but 131 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:50.519 like will lead you to that focus or to write 132 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:51.519 about him? 133 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:54.680 Yeah, I've known about him for a long time. I 134 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:59.120 took a lot of geology classes in my early years 135 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:03.120 of college, and you know, he was always he was 136 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:07.120 always in the very early pages of every like geology textbook, 137 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:10.519 and I was always fascinated by him because those textbooks 138 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:15.480 always tended to downplay the fact that he that he 139 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:18.360 had this whole other side of his life, you know, 140 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.519 that that he was, you know, a religious person and 141 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:25.600 a clergyman. So I wanted to tell his story. And 142 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:29.199 even among you know, Christians and and and people who 143 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.759 are you know, interested in the whole science and faith, 144 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:36.680 you know, conversation, I feel like he's he's just not 145 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:40.360 as well known, and he's someone who if I was. 146 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:42.079 You know, if I had known about him when I 147 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:44.079 was ten years old, it would have really excited me 148 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:48.639 because like he's he's essentially like the patron saying of paleontology, 149 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:51.279 and so that that would have really excited me as 150 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:54.519 a kid. And my whole goal these days is to 151 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:56.959 write the kind of books that would have excited me 152 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:02.399 as a kid. So that's that's really what drew me 153 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:05.040 to this. I want to I want to write things 154 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:09.879 that are gonna inspire, educate, and entertain young minds. And 155 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:11.920 that's that's kind of what I'm all about right now. 156 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.319 It's kind of my new mission and I'm very excited 157 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:14.680 about it. 158 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:18.439 That's great, it's a very noble mission. Now, can you 159 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:20.319 tell us anything about what you're working on next? Or 160 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:21.800 is that under wraps at this point. 161 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:25.319 It's not really under wraps, because you know, I have 162 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:28.199 sort of soft pitched it to my editors, but nothing's 163 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:31.839 official yet. Next, I would like to tell the story 164 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:35.879 of Henri Breuil. He was a French priest and an 165 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:41.120 archaeologist from the twentieth century. He was involved in studying 166 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:46.440 the famous painted caves at Lasco in southern France and 167 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:49.360 if if you look up cave paintings on the internet, 168 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:52.519 they're the ones that come up and it and it's 169 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:55.000 it's also a very neat story that I think kids 170 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:58.799 will be interested in because those caves were initially discovered 171 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:03.399 by kids who were looking for their lost dog and 172 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.360 would turned out to find this hole in the ground 173 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:09.559 that led to this whole cavern system and these cave 174 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:12.879 paintings that nobody had ever seen before. So I've just 175 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:16.320 done a lot of preliminary research about the caves at 176 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:19.279 Lasco and about Henri Burrell's life, and it's a really 177 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.879 fascinating story and I'm really excited to get down to 178 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:24.519 this week start drafting. 179 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:27.720 So that is exciting, and it is just so crazy 180 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:30.000 how we can still just like find things like this, 181 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:32.879 like yeah, you know, think like the you know, Dead 182 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:35.080 Sea scrolls and you know how these things get discovered 183 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:35.600 by accident. 184 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:38.279 Yeah, oh, the Dead Sea Scrolls. I may have to 185 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:42.480 tackle that sometime because they have an interesting story too. 186 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:47.519 I just love archaeology and paleontology so and the thrill 187 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:50.240 of discovery. That was always something that you know, I 188 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:54.360 loved reading books about explorers and scientists when I was 189 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:57.679 a kid, you know. So that's that's really what I 190 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:00.840 want to write about these days. 191 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:04.399 That's great, and it definitely sounds like you are doing 192 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:07.960 your part two, you know, re enchant science fight putting 193 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:09.360 it in proper context. 194 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.960 Yes, yeah, and to make a story out of it, 195 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:15.200 you know as well. You know, they're you know, to 196 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.840 like in our kind of hyper stem culture, we focus 197 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.080 on facts and figures and numbers and not enough on 198 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:25.879 the whole narrative and thrill of discovery and that there 199 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:30.039 were people behind these great discoveries, and people with lives 200 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:33.919 and with a faith in God. And I just think that, Yeah, 201 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:37.759 I like that idea, re enchanting science. That's great. 202 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:42.279 Good good Josh. Do you have anything going on. 203 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:47.039 Other than hoping that along with these discoveries that keep 204 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:49.519 happening that on one day they discover Cthulhu at the 205 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:53.399 bottom of the other than that, no, not a whole lot. 206 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.240 I mean, my sub stack is still just consisting of 207 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:59.240 weekly posts right now. They're pretty much just all on 208 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:04.240 the Divine Comedy, so just doing one canto a week, 209 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:10.799 basically doing three cantos from each basically each section of 210 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.840 the comedy. So there'll be eventually be nine move there's 211 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:17.960 five out right now, just finishing up purgatorio, so that's 212 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.759 part of my graduate school program. But other than that, 213 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:24.159 just working and preparing for my next child to be born. 214 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.759 So try not to commit to anything else. 215 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:31.799 Basically, Yeah, I'm not very good at that, not committing 216 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:32.320 to things. 217 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:36.039 I know. When my first daughter was born, I was like, 218 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:38.799 you know what, I've slept like three hours a night 219 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:40.559 the past three nights, and it would be a great 220 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:43.159 time to start learning how to read the Bible and Greek, 221 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:45.159 because you know what, this is a normal thing that 222 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:45.679 people do. 223 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:51.080 Yeah, I just I got messed up by running my 224 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:56.120 dissertation while working and having our twins because at that point, 225 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:00.399 just out of necessity, I learned how to just do 226 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:03.200 stuff without sleeping, and then I never learned how to 227 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:06.039 turn it off. So it's just I just haven't really 228 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:08.360 slept for years. I'm mostly okay with that, but I 229 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:13.039 know that eventually it's gonna hit me. But yeah, you know, 230 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.000 I've we've got our next is sometime with the next 231 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.879 couple of weeks, and here I am planning out a 232 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:24.200 three more courses lead and all sorts of stuff. So 233 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:25.960 but it's fine, it'll be fine. 234 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.159 I have been learning to sort of wake up automatically 235 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:33.080 at four in the morning, So there's that. You know, 236 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.639 I don't have kids, but you know, like I am 237 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.320 learning to do without less sleep. But I'm sure, like 238 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.480 you say, it will eventually bite me later. Yeah. 239 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:47.840 I think of that episode of Seinfeld where he's talking 240 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:52.320 about how, you know, night Jerry or morning Jerry hates 241 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:56.200 night Jerry. It's like, that's that's how I feel a 242 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:59.080 odd times, like I'm fine at nighttime, morning's not always 243 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:05.840 quite so. Uh thrilling. Uh Well, let's cool. Well, I 244 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:07.840 guess we can go ahead and start to work through 245 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:10.399 some of these texts. See what we're able to pull 246 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:14.399 out here. Now. The first one we're starting off on 247 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:17.840 was the Death of Sinfioti, which doesn't really have a 248 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:20.159 whole lot too. It's just a short little prose about 249 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:24.279 the death of Sinfieli, who was the son of Zigmund 250 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:32.240 of the vol songs and Borg killed or it's Borg 251 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:37.679 Kill's uh not not biological, right, Yeah, because I'm trying 252 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:39.799 to remember all this sets to work it together. Uh, 253 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.879 sim Fiot was the son of Zigmund and actually his sister, 254 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:46.679 if I recall correctly, we get in the vol song 255 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:52.279 saga kind of a children if You're in situation going on, No, yeah, 256 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:55.279 where there's some deception and it's you know, it's it's 257 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:59.600 it's kind of kind of strange, but definitely the inspiration 258 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.519 I think for talking in that Children if You're in Situation. 259 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:07.000 So yeah, so that's where Sinfioti comes from. So stepchild 260 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:08.879 of borg Kield who is now the wife of Zigmund 261 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:13.799 and Sinfiltlee, and I think it's like his uncle are 262 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:18.320 both going after, you know, trying to woo the same woman, 263 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:23.039 and sim Filetle ends up killing the uncle. So then 264 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:29.440 Borg killed essentially poisoned since Fieltle. Yeah, so it's like 265 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:33.799 nor soap opera stuff here. I don't know. I don'tally 266 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:35.360 don't have anything insightful to pull from this. I don't 267 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:36.399 know if you have any of the comments. 268 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:40.720 Was Sigmund the one who all of his brothers and 269 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:44.039 him were pinned under a trunk of wood and devoured 270 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:46.720 night by night by like one by one by the 271 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:48.759 she wolf and he was the only one that escaped. 272 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:51.279 Yes, that's correct, And okay, I'm just trying to. 273 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:53.639 Make sure I'm getting my names and orders mixed yes, 274 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:57.039 but really profitable to read like some of the whole 275 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:00.600 songs saga along with this and take notes that, so 276 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:01.759 note for next time. 277 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:04.559 Yes, that would be helpful. And the Volksong saga it's 278 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:05.879 not terribly long. It is interesting. 279 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:09.000 Oh yeah, I have read that before. It was a 280 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.000 while ago, but I remember I was starting to remember 281 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:17.639 things going through some of these shorter ETA texts. I 282 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:20.399 was like, oh, yeah, that I remember that from the 283 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:23.759 Volsung saga. Yeah, it's not long at all. So yeah, 284 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:25.480 I'm gonna read that as a companion. 285 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:27.960 You probably would be a good idea. I probably need 286 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.039 to read through it again before next time. I read 287 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:33.759 it several months ago by this point, in the midst 288 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.639 of my My Baywolf studies. Kind of as a side note, 289 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:40.679 I went off to read the Volsom saga. But I mean, 290 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.879 all the specific details haven't exactly stayed in my head here. 291 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:54.720 But yeah, and so Zigmund's wife or killed poisons and Fioti. 292 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:56.879 But at first in Fieldle it kind of recognized that 293 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:59.480 something's amiss, and so he goes and tells his father 294 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:02.879 Zigmund that my drink is kind of cloudy. And then 295 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:07.360 Zigbin because you know, he's like this uber warrior kind 296 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:10.559 of guy. He just drinks it because poison can't hurt him. 297 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:14.879 And this happens like repeatedly, where Borkill keeps giving sin 298 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.440 field Y this poison drink that then Zigman keeps drinking 299 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:23.759 until finally, for whatever reason I because he's worn down, 300 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:29.799 sin Fieldle decides to finally just drink it and he dies. Yeah. 301 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:35.639 I don't really have any great insight to pull from this. Yeah, Yeah, 302 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:39.360 so I content just moving on to the next section, 303 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:40.600 which has a little bit more to it. 304 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:43.000 That would be a great opportunity to kind of introduce, 305 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:46.600 like sinfili in the concept of like the parallels and 306 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:49.960 maybe even some non parallels with like the whole sung saga, 307 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:52.840 since that's going to be a running theme through all 308 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.600 of these uh fragmentary texts. Right, So I think that's 309 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:58.519 I think that's good enough personally. 310 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:02.000 Yeah. And then from this point we're really moving on 311 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:04.559 from Zigmund, and now we're going to be focusing mostly 312 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:10.480 on Ziggurd, who is his son, and so well, I 313 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:12.359 guess some of that story will sort of come out 314 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:16.680 as we go, but I'll read the introduction here provided 315 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:19.720 in the Larrington text, and so this is going to 316 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:27.160 be concerning Gripier's prophecy or gripispas it says. It's clearly 317 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:29.640 a late poem, depended upon the other poems which follow 318 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:32.400 it in the Ziggurd cycle, and possibly upon an early 319 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:35.880 version of the Volksong saga. It's function is to summarize 320 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:38.599 the story of Ziggurd for telling everything which will happen 321 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:40.880 to him. And so that's really the gist of it. 322 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:43.680 So Ziggurd is going to be talking to this guy Gripier, 323 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:47.400 who's described as being incredibly wise. He has some foresight, 324 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:50.720 he's able to look down the path of fate and 325 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:53.559 tell Ziggurd various things are going to happen to him. 326 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:56.240 And so that's really the context for what's happening here. 327 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:00.440 And so it's it's part prophecy revealing his fate. And 328 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:05.319 also there's some like wisdom literature, like Norse wisdom literature 329 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:10.519 type of stuff in here, some like proverbial wisdom. Yeah, 330 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:11.799 I don't know, I mean, what are what are some 331 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:13.039 things that stood out to you? 332 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:16.839 Just a note what they're relational here? But on the 333 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:22.039 sixth standza, assuming it's the h this edition, but it says, 334 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:25.200 tell me if you know, like comma uncle, as if 335 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:28.240 there's like addressing him his uncle. So I'm guessing I 336 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:29.960 don't know if it's said it in the introduction or not, 337 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:31.960 but just like for like the listener's sake and all 338 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:36.480 that this this is his uncle, correct, like that this 339 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:39.279 is there is like a familiar relation here of some sort. 340 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:43.920 I believe that's even in the in the end notes 341 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:50.440 they mentioned that, yeah, that h Gripier, that Sigurd is 342 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:54.839 Grippier's sister son, and there was like a very in 343 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:59.920 Norse societies, there's a very important relationship between a man 344 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:03.400 and specifically his sister's son. I mean, we see that 345 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:07.640 in the Lord of the Rings with Faydin and Aleen 346 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:12.480 I mean I am and and also with Alen as 347 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:15.559 his as both his niece and nephew, because they're his 348 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:19.720 sister's children. He has very close bond with them. 349 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:20.200 Hm hmm. 350 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:22.759 That's a great connection, I would I would think I've 351 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:24.880 already thought of that one. See, I'm just here for 352 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:27.240 the on the no stuff like faf near and smoke. 353 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:36.480 So I am most curious in any sort of prophetic 354 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:41.599 sort of literature from any culture, what sort of the 355 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:47.400 relationship is between like the word of the prophet and 356 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:50.119 how the word of the prophet can or cannot be 357 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:54.400 undone by like the free will of the person who 358 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:57.240 the prophet, who's like the main subject of the prophecy, right, 359 00:19:57.240 --> 00:19:59.000 Like I think this is a lot with like this 360 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:00.759 like comes up all the time with like the uh, 361 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:05.319 like the dramatists of like the classical Athens period. I think, like, 362 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:08.200 you know, first thought would be like Tyresius, like the 363 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:11.839 profit of Apollo and like Thebes, especially in like Oedipus wrecks, 364 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:14.440 there's like that. It's kind of like that tension where 365 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:17.519 it's like can Oedipis like escape his fate or is 366 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:22.400 he completely you know, fettered to exactly what Tyresi has 367 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:24.200 told him? And was there any way he could have 368 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.599 undone any of that? And I don't know how they 369 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:28.799 would think of that in this culture. I don't know 370 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:31.240 if they of view all of any insight to that. 371 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:33.559 But that's usually like a question I always thinking of 372 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:35.640 with these kinds of texts. 373 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:40.720 Yeah, I'm not super well read in Greek drama. Do 374 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:45.680 they come down like do they unravel that tension at all? 375 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:50.160 In your experience, it doesn't seem like I mean just 376 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:55.079 thinking of like, you know, Sophocles Euripides and Aesculus, Uh, specifically, 377 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:57.799 I don't think of any time where they specifically like 378 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:00.839 really give like a clear cut you know how it 379 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:03.160 is with like scholarship, where it's like you have like 380 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:07.000 these you know, to twenty five hundred year long scholarly 381 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:11.599 traditions where people are debating on whether you know, Sophocles 382 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.440 was like a hard determinist or a compatibilist or people 383 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:18.079 even like libertarian free will or what exactly his message 384 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.079 was with that right, So that's obviously like up for debate, 385 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:25.319 and I don't feel qualified to give an opinion either way, 386 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:28.000 that's for sure. But I'm curious how that works out 387 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:30.359 in this in this specific culture, in this text. 388 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:34.759 Yeah, in my reading, it definitely seemed like the northern 389 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:40.559 cultures take a pretty hard line fatalistic perspective of you know, 390 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:45.359 he Ziggurt isn't asking what's likely to happen, what might happen. 391 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.039 He says what's going to happen, And then he's told 392 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:51.720 here's what's going to happen, and Ziggert says, okay, And 393 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:54.480 it's like, you know, when things you know it seems 394 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:57.599 like he's going to get some some misfortune of various kinds. 395 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:01.279 Even like his death. He never is about trying to 396 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:04.640 avoid it or like questioning it. He just said accept it, 397 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:07.400 like Okay, this is what's going to happen. And I 398 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:10.359 think that's pretty common in the Northern literature. We get 399 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:13.480 the strong emphasis on like the norns, the fates of 400 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:18.200 Norse mythology, the fact that they not only lay out 401 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:20.240