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Speaker 1: a huge show for you tonight. It's a beautiful day outside.
Speaker 1: It was a nice drive on the way in, wasn't
Speaker 1: too much traffic. Let's get to it. How about you.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite grocery store?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: In fact, I will drive an extra five or six
Speaker 1: miles to get one of my preferred grocery locations. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but I'm not stopping at Food for Less. If that
Speaker 1: offends you, that's too bad. I'll go to Albertson's. There's
Speaker 1: not a pavilions around me. And I'll definitely stop at Ralph's,
Speaker 1: except for the one that's right by my house because
Speaker 1: that one has too many gunshots fired and according to
Speaker 1: Mark Ronner, might even have Ladies of the Evening in
Speaker 1: front of them.
Speaker 2: Depending on the location, that might just be my neighborhood.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Good evening, Mark, Hello, Mo, good evening, Stephan,
Speaker 2: How you doing, sir? Hello? How are you sir? All right?
Speaker 1: Just want to check in, make sure everyone was here.
Speaker 1: We got Carnacia here. She's going to be managing the
Speaker 1: chat on YouTube, on Facebook, on Instagram. So if you
Speaker 1: have an issue, be careful because Carnecia blocks more people
Speaker 1: than I do. Be on your best behavior, and she
Speaker 1: blocks them quicker than I would. She's like, my you
Speaker 1: have like the angel and the devil from your shoulder.
Speaker 2: She's the devil one. That's not true, no, she but
Speaker 2: I will say this. I watch it. She gives a
Speaker 2: quick warning right away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should call a foul next, and there's an
Speaker 1: ejecture one chance.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: After that you're in time out. She is a person
Speaker 1: after my heart because she just understands. There will be
Speaker 1: no foolishness allowed in the chat, but some of the
Speaker 1: subjects will be discussing. Tonight, Kroger is going to close
Speaker 1: sixty locations, and if you like me, that might impact
Speaker 1: you depending on where you like to shop, where you
Speaker 1: have to shop, because with me, there's certain foods I
Speaker 1: know that are only available at my rouse, the one
Speaker 1: that I want to go to, the one that has
Speaker 1: the least amount of bullet holes in the side of
Speaker 1: the building. No, seriously, I actually shop at the one
Speaker 1: on Redonal Beach Boulevard in Venice. So don't be surprised
Speaker 1: if you see me there. That's why I do all
Speaker 1: my grocery shopping. Well, what kind of foods are we
Speaker 1: talking about here that you must go there for? They
Speaker 1: don't have a Sonic out here. For example, Sonic has
Speaker 1: these tater tots which are so damn good, so good, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: They are so good, and they're not in a lot
Speaker 1: of grocery stores. But this particular rouse has frozen. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's such a bummer that we don't have a Sonic
Speaker 1: out here.
Speaker 2: We don't. I think what's the nearest one, maybe Fullertin
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not close, So I will get my son
Speaker 1: tater tots from there. They are head, head and shoulders
Speaker 1: above all the other tater tots?
Speaker 2: And then what do you air frame or put them
Speaker 2: in the oven?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, no air frier? Okay, all right, airfire ten minutes
Speaker 2: of three hundred and fifty degrees.
Speaker 3: This is important to know what. Everybody loves tots and
Speaker 3: this isn't even a Napoleon dynamite thing either.
Speaker 2: But not everyone can make them. Well, now's seasoned differently? No,
Speaker 2: because you don't want soggy tots. I'll tell you that
Speaker 2: right now. No, soggy tots.
Speaker 1: Look no disrespect to Orida, but they're just not as good.
Speaker 1: There's too much salt. It's seasoned differently. But thus one
Speaker 1: of the foods that I have to get from my
Speaker 1: particular rouse. And also there's some fake egg products It's
Speaker 1: called eggs from plants that I'll buy.
Speaker 2: They usually have their in stock.
Speaker 1: Long story short, I've found out that I have somewhat
Speaker 1: of an egg allergy and it makes it difficult on
Speaker 1: my arthritis. True story if I eat too many eggs,
Speaker 1: and so I've been eating some egg alternative products. But
Speaker 1: if you like, if I was eating egg whites and
Speaker 1: that product egg beaters, and egg Beaters has egg whites
Speaker 1: in them, and so you know, it was wreaking havoc
Speaker 1: on my body. So I had to find particular products
Speaker 1: and they always have it at that rouse.
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like egg Beaters really missed a
Speaker 3: golden opportunity by not shooting any commercials with Ike Turner.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, come on food.
Speaker 1: That would have worked five years before the B two movie.
Speaker 1: Oh please, we can't cancel you, but we can cut
Speaker 1: off your mic. Mark said that Mark, Yes, send all
Speaker 1: hate mail to at Mark Runner.
Speaker 2: The real Mark Runners, how many gold It's going to
Speaker 2: be one of those nights.
Speaker 1: We're also going to talk about how the LAPD has
Speaker 1: been allowed to use drones as first responders under a
Speaker 1: new program. I don't know if I predicted this, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I called it, but I definitely set
Speaker 1: off the conversation surrounding the use of drones and what
Speaker 1: I think is going to be an uncomfortable conversation with
Speaker 1: the Constitution. That's how I like to think of it,
Speaker 1: because when it comes to privacy, search and seizure and
Speaker 1: you have drones out there basically mapping your house, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm comfortable with that, And we'll revisit
Speaker 1: that conversation.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that a little bit later. So much
Speaker 2: to do tonight.
Speaker 1: Of course, you can tune in on YouTube, you can
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about Croker when we come back.
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Speaker 1: I have my place where I got a shop as
Speaker 1: far as grocery shopping is.
Speaker 2: And I don't think I'm the only one.
Speaker 1: I think that you should recognize there's a difference in
Speaker 1: quality between grocery stores. And I'm pretty much brand loyal.
Speaker 1: Now there's an occasional Vaughan's I'll end up at if
Speaker 1: there's just nothing in my particular path, you know, a
Speaker 1: from on my way home and I need to stop somewhere.
Speaker 1: Vaughn's will do. But I'm not stopping at Food for Less,
Speaker 1: not doing it. And if you don't know, Food for
Speaker 1: Less is a subsidiary of Kroger, as is Ralph's. Like
Speaker 1: Ralphs is their lexus and Food for Less is there
Speaker 1: a Toyota? Think of it that way, except Food for
Speaker 1: Less is not even a Toyota. It's really really bad.
Speaker 1: It's their Oldsmobile Delta eighty eight.
Speaker 2: There we go. Do they have Food for lesson in Washington?
Speaker 2: I don't believe so.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen them outside of California. It may
Speaker 1: be just a California brand. But Food for is really
Speaker 1: really bad. And unfortunately, Food for Less always is near
Speaker 1: where I live, and the routs near where I Live
Speaker 1: is really bad as well. The reason I mentioned that
Speaker 1: is because Kroger Food for Less than Routes, the parent
Speaker 1: company Kroger, has said that it's going to close sixty
Speaker 1: US stores in the next eighteen months as a as
Speaker 1: a point of consolidation and hopefully improving products. Now, they
Speaker 1: don't list the prospective stores which are going to be closed.
Speaker 1: But if you're just to take the eyeball test and
Speaker 1: go through some of these stores. So the one I
Speaker 1: that's close to my house that I can't stand and
Speaker 1: refuse to go to because they're well put this way,
Speaker 1: if you walk into your Routs or Food for Less
Speaker 1: and they have armed security, that's probably not a place
Speaker 1: where you want to shop. And I mean I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about the old security guard. I'm talking about armed
Speaker 1: security because cause shots may ring out at any moment.
Speaker 1: That's my rous and it's that I want to say,
Speaker 1: Vermont and one hundred and twentieth Street.
Speaker 3: So what is the caliber of the security guards of years?
Speaker 3: Because mine they were a little liffy, You weren't You
Speaker 3: weren't confident that if stuff started going down that they'd
Speaker 3: be able to handle it.
Speaker 1: No, these were decent size, decent age youngish men.
Speaker 2: I want to say, maybe early thirties. Are we talking
Speaker 2: like gravy seals here? No? No, no, no, no, no
Speaker 2: serious guys. No, these seems like seem.
Speaker 1: Like guys who are probably trying to get into the
Speaker 1: police academy.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's how you do that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's looked like they they're maybe law
Speaker 1: enforcement adjacent. All I know is they got their you know,
Speaker 1: they got their gun. And it's not a revolver. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's probably like it's a glock. From what I could tell,
Speaker 1: I wasn't like, you know, putting my hand on it
Speaker 1: to sea, but it seemed like it.
Speaker 2: Was a glock. Yeah, that's discouraging. Yeah, so I'm not
Speaker 2: going to shop there.
Speaker 1: And I say that to say, uh, the rouse by
Speaker 1: my house, please lease close it, Please just take it away,
Speaker 1: because when you walk in, and I've walked in it before,
Speaker 1: not only is there a likelihood of violence breaking out,
Speaker 1: but it smells rantidd there. It's like how can people
Speaker 1: shop here? But then you remember, yeah, where I live
Speaker 1: there's pretty much a food desert. You don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of grocery items. That's a serious point. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of not a lot of places to shop
Speaker 1: as far as grocery options, and so you get what
Speaker 1: you get, and you're stuck with with what you're stuck with.
Speaker 1: And I'm quite sure that's one of the lowest performing stores.
Speaker 1: If you ever go by one twentieth in Vermont, you'll
Speaker 1: see it's really, really bad. But for many people it's
Speaker 1: the only option. And if Kroger's going to be closing stores,
Speaker 1: I earnestly beg of them, please close that one, but
Speaker 1: put up something better.
Speaker 2: Oh, raise it to the ground. Yeah, there's no good
Speaker 2: coming out of that store.
Speaker 3: Now, you're not the same kind of degenerate vampire late
Speaker 3: night person I am. And I go to the store
Speaker 3: after work a lot of the time. And I don't
Speaker 3: know if you know how Harriet gets at Ralphs when
Speaker 3: they're trying to shut the doors at one and people
Speaker 3: still want in. They think they're gonna get some booze
Speaker 3: or something, and the security guards like, nope, you got
Speaker 3: to come back tomorrow, and people they don't take no
Speaker 3: for an answer all the time.
Speaker 1: They do not, and the routs by being I think
Speaker 1: they close at eleven just because it gets too dangerous.
Speaker 1: After that I don't stop at that one. Like I'll say,
Speaker 1: I'll stop at the occasional Vaughans. Going home from work,
Speaker 1: I'll stop at that vaughns On Pass, I think it
Speaker 1: is it pass that's where I go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the And I say, I go to Vaughn's.
Speaker 2: Not choosing Vaughn's.
Speaker 1: It's just the nearest grocery store because I'd rather stop
Speaker 1: on this side of town than mine, especially if you
Speaker 1: have like something last minute.
Speaker 2: It's literally a four minute drive from the studio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I don't know what there's a
Speaker 1: rouse around here, so I just go to von Well,
Speaker 1: I'll say the routes that's nearest us is. Oh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's what I'm talking about. Oh yeah, No, it's not
Speaker 1: a little sketchy. It's a lot of sketchy. Yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of illegal things happening in that parking lot.
Speaker 1: And I didn't expect it in Burbank. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess hood areas exist out here too, Oh.
Speaker 2: There are there are.
Speaker 1: It's just you you know when you when you're in
Speaker 1: a hood, you know that you're in a hood.
Speaker 3: Also, it's a long standing joke. I don't even know
Speaker 3: if you remember when we were kids, Johnny Carson would
Speaker 3: never fail to get a laugh when he mentioned shopping
Speaker 3: at Ralphs because it was so unthinkable that Johnny Carson
Speaker 3: would set foot in the Ralph's.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you say that because in like Studio City,
Speaker 1: they have some very good Ralphs markets.
Speaker 2: I think it's at Vineland.
Speaker 1: And when I used to live in Studio City, I
Speaker 1: would go in that Ralph's and you would see quote
Speaker 1: unquote celebrities Hollywood figures all the time, all the time.
Speaker 1: I mean it did be character actors that be movie stars.
Speaker 1: I can't remember all the people. Like I walked in
Speaker 1: one day and there was like Wayne Knight walk in.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think all the people. It's various people
Speaker 1: from TV shows. You recognize him by faith, Oh Adam Saylor.
Speaker 1: One night, you will see people and then you realize, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they do go grocery shopping too.
Speaker 3: I had no idea. I wouldn't think Ralphs is for
Speaker 3: the A listers Wayne Knight, I believe.
Speaker 1: Well you think of the it's not who the A
Speaker 1: listers are, it's the location. And on Ventura Boulevard. You
Speaker 1: see like two or three different Ralphs. Now, I think
Speaker 1: they have a Whole Foods. Yeah, they do, but it's
Speaker 1: going towards Sherman Oaks, So you have one or two choices.
Speaker 1: It's either Whole Foods or Ralphs on Ventura Boulevard.
Speaker 3: You know, in six or seven years living here, I've
Speaker 3: still never run into a celebrity at a grocery store.
Speaker 1: You see me every single day time for the news.
Speaker 1: I knew you'd appreciate that. But Kroger is going to
Speaker 1: be closing sixty of their stores, which means a lot
Speaker 1: of Ralphs. Please close the one nearest to my house
Speaker 1: for Stephan's sake and mine as well. It's Later with
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Speaker 1: we have to talk about LAP and their use of
Speaker 1: drones going forward for first responders. That is probably going
Speaker 1: to end up as a constitutional issue, but we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about it when we come back.
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Speaker 2: And this is an ongoing conversation.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be very transparent with you and open
Speaker 1: about how I think about these issues. And I think
Speaker 1: about not how they're presented, but how not only an
Speaker 1: intended consequences, but how they are likely to evolve. And
Speaker 1: when we talk about drone technology and law enforcement, of
Speaker 1: course everyone wants to be safe. Of course everyone wants
Speaker 1: law enforcement to be safe. Let's make that acknowledgment that
Speaker 1: we agree on. We agree on all that, hopefully we do,
Speaker 1: but then let's see where it goes from there. And
Speaker 1: I am uncomfortable with the idea of the use of
Speaker 1: drones in certain situations. We've talked about how drones will
Speaker 1: be used as far as finding out who is responsible
Speaker 1: for the use of illegal fireworks, and I complain about
Speaker 1: fireworks all the time.
Speaker 2: I would like the people who are.
Speaker 1: Using them, selling them, purchasing them to be found and arrested.
Speaker 2: Accordingly, it is a crime.
Speaker 1: But I also know that a drone flying over people's
Speaker 1: houses in over backyards to discern who is doing something
Speaker 1: illegal makes me feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: That was just fireworks. Now the LAPD is.
Speaker 1: They have been approved by a civilian oversight body to
Speaker 1: an update to their policy which would allow drones to
Speaker 1: be used in more situations, including calls for service like
Speaker 1: you call nine to one one. Depending on the nature
Speaker 1: of the call, they'll send out a drone in advance,
Speaker 1: like an advanced scout, to know what police will be
Speaker 1: happening upon.
Speaker 2: And I get it. You want to keep law enforcement
Speaker 2: officers safe. I get it.
Speaker 1: And according to the new guidelines, they'll be used for
Speaker 1: high risk incident, investigative purpose, large scale event, natural disaster,
Speaker 1: and so forth. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: If you talk about how they're going to.
Speaker 1: Be used, you can also discern who most likely they'll
Speaker 1: be used in conjunction with. For example, they'll be sending
Speaker 1: out drones ahead of officers to help with dangerous standoffs,
Speaker 1: crowd control monitoring of mass protests for safety reasons wink wink,
Speaker 1: But department official stress that it will not be used
Speaker 1: to track or monitor demonstrators who aren't engaged in criminal activities. Well,
Speaker 1: if you're monitoring a demonstration, you're monitoring everyone. That's inclusive
Speaker 1: of the people who might be an agitator. That's inclusive
Speaker 1: of the people who are genuinely protesting and it's not
Speaker 1: about me trying to say that there is no good
Speaker 1: use for drones and surveillance and law enforcement. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that at all. I'm just very very careful and
Speaker 1: particular when you talk about the use of drones for
Speaker 1: mass surveillance, because when you're sending out the drones, it's
Speaker 1: not to protect people, it's to surveil people.
Speaker 2: Let's be clear.
Speaker 1: When we're using it for first responders, you're sending out
Speaker 1: the drones, and there's nothing wrong with this, but let's
Speaker 1: be clear on what it is and what it isn't.
Speaker 1: You're sending out the drones as a look ahead for police,
Speaker 1: not as a response to help you, the lay person,
Speaker 1: the civilian. If you call nine one one, and let's
Speaker 1: say it's a domestic call, and this is all hypothetical,
Speaker 1: but I try to reason this all the way through
Speaker 1: and see it to its logical conclusion. You call nine
Speaker 1: one one for a domestic dispute and the drone goes out,
Speaker 1: The drone is not going to get there and help you.
Speaker 1: The drone is going to get there and give the
Speaker 1: lay of the land for law enforcement so they know
Speaker 1: what they're walking into. And I'm okay with that, because
Speaker 1: police should not have to walk in and get broadsided
Speaker 1: or blindsided by something, because everybody should be able to
Speaker 1: go home at the end of the night. But I
Speaker 1: am careful in my support because I don't want drones
Speaker 1: just hovering in my neighborhood because they are look looking
Speaker 1: for quote unquote, say it with me, criminals. I know
Speaker 1: what it's like to fit the description quote unquote. I
Speaker 1: know what it's like when you are profiled. I know
Speaker 1: what that's like to walk through a store, for example,
Speaker 1: and the assumption is that you're going to steal something.
Speaker 1: I know how that then translates to treatment. It may
Speaker 1: be a drone, it may be an actual law enforcement officer,
Speaker 1: but I know, even under the best circumstances and intentions,
Speaker 1: it can and historically has disproportionately negatively impacted certain communities.
Speaker 1: I know what it's like to be driving through Venice
Speaker 1: and be stopped and asked, how did you get this car?
Speaker 1: How did you afford this car? And my answer is
Speaker 1: always respectful and the same is my license and or
Speaker 1: registration not in order. I remember I was in Venice
Speaker 1: by Venice Beach driving a convertible as two thousand, relatively
Speaker 1: new got pulled over.
Speaker 2: Officer just went straight forward, how did you get this car?
Speaker 2: So what I.
Speaker 1: Think about law enforcement techniques and even though they may
Speaker 1: be designed to protect the community, I do think about
Speaker 1: how they may be misused because humans are fallible, Humans
Speaker 1: have biases. Humans under the best circumstances don't always have
Speaker 1: great judgment. And this concerns me when you have these
Speaker 1: first responders going out and monitoring, because we just had
Speaker 1: an array of protests here in Los Angeles, and if
Speaker 1: you have crowd control, a crowd mon and mass monitoring
Speaker 1: of people, and say, well, what do you have to
Speaker 1: worry about if you're not doing anything criminal? That's not
Speaker 1: the point. That's not the point. And I've made this
Speaker 1: statement before. It's like, look, I don't have anything stuffed
Speaker 1: up my behind, but it doesn't mean that I want
Speaker 1: to submit to a cavity search. Some things are about
Speaker 1: the principle of it all and if you're okay with it,
Speaker 1: and well, let me rephrase, I find that the people
Speaker 1: who have absolutely no complaint or concerned are the people
Speaker 1: who it does not impact and probably won't impact. If
Speaker 1: you've never had to worry about fitting the description, then
Speaker 1: this probably won't bother you at all. If you've never
Speaker 1: been assumed to be doing something criminal, then this won't
Speaker 1: have any reference point for you. If you've never worried
Speaker 1: about walking somewhere and being followed and monitored, then this
Speaker 1: probably won't resonate with you. We all have a different
Speaker 1: prison in which we look at life, and we are
Speaker 1: the sum total of our experiences. And I can tell
Speaker 1: you things and you probably say, nah, that didn't happen, MO,
Speaker 1: And yes, my experiences are real, and I can recount
Speaker 1: them to you each and every time. And I can
Speaker 1: tell you specifically, line item by line item, the times
Speaker 1: that I know that I was profiled and pulled over,
Speaker 1: that I will stopped and question told to get out
Speaker 1: and put my hands on the hood of a police car.
Speaker 1: If you don't know hot hands what those are, then
Speaker 1: you don't know what I'm talking about. If you've never
Speaker 1: been sat down on the curb ask where you're going,
Speaker 1: you won't know what I'm talking about. So I'm always
Speaker 1: always suspicious, I think that's the right word suspicious when
Speaker 1: we're talking about another layer of surveillance being used for
Speaker 1: not even criminal purposes. That's what it is. When you're
Speaker 1: telling me that you're going to be using these drones
Speaker 1: to monitor crowds. You're you're not talking about a a
Speaker 1: criminal call. You're just talking about a social mass monitoring.
Speaker 1: And that makes me uncomfortable because I know how it
Speaker 1: can be misused and abused, and we don't know, and
Speaker 1: and and in the story in the La Times, the
Speaker 1: question is articulated. You know what happens to all this
Speaker 1: video later on?
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it?
Speaker 1: You know, the facial recognition, And I know Mark, you
Speaker 1: agree with some of this. The facial recognition, the mass
Speaker 1: surveillance of all these cameras everywhere is used in ways
Speaker 1: that most of us don't even know.
Speaker 3: And it's just going to keep moving in that direction.
Speaker 3: If you've read anything about a company called Pallanteer run
Speaker 3: by Bigger teal uh, and if you haven't look it up,
Speaker 3: you're going to be shocked. This is some dystopian stuff
Speaker 3: and it will affect everybody, no matter what color you are.
Speaker 1: We're talking about a singular database of everyone, everyone, I mean,
Speaker 1: Gary Oldman, everyone, except it's not funny. No, it's not funny,
Speaker 1: but it is actually real.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't know know if you saw this because
Speaker 3: it was viral yesterday and last night I saw some
Speaker 3: video of a guy in a field who was kind
Speaker 3: of being stalked by a drone and he took it
Speaker 3: out with a broom handle. No, I wanted to stand
Speaker 3: up and clap in the room I was in, and
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be mad. No, you know, I wouldn't be mad.
Speaker 1: And now there's a constitutional issue of where your right
Speaker 1: to privacy begins. You know, there's a constitutional issue of
Speaker 1: the reasonable expectation of privacy when you are supposedly in
Speaker 1: the public and we are not in public in the
Speaker 1: way that you would not allow someone to just get
Speaker 1: up on your fence and look over into your backyard.
Speaker 1: I would liken this to that, because we're talking about
Speaker 1: monitoring in some instances, we're not actually talking about crime
Speaker 1: stopping or crime addressing. Now this story is talking about
Speaker 1: allowing the drones to be used as first responders. I
Speaker 1: would say it's like the away team, where they go
Speaker 1: ahead and see it advance what law enforcement may be encountering.
Speaker 2: And I absolutely agree that there is a use for it.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying we should always consider the possible misuse
Speaker 1: of it in the way that Mark Ronner used, says
Speaker 1: que Bono.
Speaker 2: Who benefits.
Speaker 1: I always think about the other end of the spectrum,
Speaker 1: who might be victimized because of it, who might be
Speaker 1: penalized because of it? And if we don't have that discussion,
Speaker 1: then I think we're not having a full discussion. It's
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Speaker 1: And we're having a good, respectful, thoughtful conversation in the
Speaker 1: motown chat by the Momigos talking about the use of drones,
Speaker 1: talking about how they can be used, how can they
Speaker 1: be misused. We all have our biases when it comes
Speaker 1: to law enforcement and the tactics which are used.
Speaker 2: I think we should be honest in that regard. We
Speaker 2: all have our biases.
Speaker 1: And it's usually an accumulation of our experiences. There's things
Speaker 1: that I've experienced that Tauwala hasn't experienced, and vice versa.
Speaker 1: And I think about the unintended consequences, not what you
Speaker 1: tell me is going to be. It's like, well, it
Speaker 1: could be this, and if it does that, Like, for example,
Speaker 1: I may mention a facial recognition that's kind of a
Speaker 1: neutral topic, facial recognition. There are a lot of people
Speaker 1: will think that, well, it's good, we'll know where everyone is.
Speaker 1: And there's some people that I'm just paraphrasing people's argums.
Speaker 1: Some people will say, like, hey, I don't feel comfortable
Speaker 1: with that, you know, because facial recognition is not super
Speaker 1: duper accurate. I mean, there have been a number of
Speaker 1: studies where it has shown that it has been inaccurate.
Speaker 1: There's I think it's the city of San Francisco, Mark,
Speaker 1: please correct me. I think it was San Francisco that
Speaker 1: opted out of facial recognition. I don't remember. I'm going
Speaker 1: off my memory. But not everyone is in a municipal census.
Speaker 1: It bought in on facial recognition, partially because of the
Speaker 1: unintended consequences of getting it wrong. This is why I
Speaker 1: worry when it comes to drones about what happens if
Speaker 1: and when they get it wrong, because we know that
Speaker 1: it's only going to be used in certain places under
Speaker 1: certain circumstances. That's not my read, I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: the story says it's going to be used for certain
Speaker 1: types of crimes. So that means it's going to be
Speaker 1: in a higher crime area that's gonna be used. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be used for demonstrations. So what does that mean. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's going to be used in mostly urban areas. I
Speaker 1: wonder what that leads to, you know, because when you
Speaker 1: have the drones going out first looking for fireworks and
Speaker 1: you can't see me unless you're watching the show Fireworks
Speaker 1: air Quotes, or they're going out on a nine to
Speaker 1: one one domestic violence call, I have questions about what
Speaker 1: happens to that video, you know if if they show me.
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1: Let's say there's a nine to one one call and
Speaker 1: someone saying, uh to walla sharp, this guy who lives
Speaker 1: next to me is using illegal fireworks and by law,
Speaker 1: they're allowed to send out the drone for that.
Speaker 2: But along the way they.
Speaker 1: Notice that Stefan is doing something else in his backyard
Speaker 1: which may or may not be illegal. How does that work?
Speaker 1: How does that work? Or they find out something about
Speaker 1: me and my backyard? Are just me going about you know,
Speaker 1: like Google Earth, you see how people's lives end up
Speaker 1: on Google Earth. I wonder about the unintended consequences. And
Speaker 1: it's not that I'm worried about the doing something illegal. No,
Speaker 1: I just want to believe, or least think that there's
Speaker 1: some level of privacy having nothing to do with a
Speaker 1: nine to one to one call for someone else.
Speaker 5: I just marvel at how, within a week's time, we
Speaker 5: went from talking about police departments using drones to detect
Speaker 5: illegal use of fireworks to drones being rolled out all
Speaker 5: together for all types of different reasons. This is what
Speaker 5: they're telling us as the public story, but they can
Speaker 5: alter this the reasons why. This is the forward facing
Speaker 5: press release. Yes, we don't know what is inside, the details,
Speaker 5: the minutia of why they can and will use them. Next,
Speaker 5: you know, there's a drone going out, I don't know,
Speaker 5: catching me jaywalking, and it's like jaywalking. It's well, you know,
Speaker 5: I mean ran the area and they were looking for
Speaker 5: protesters or they were looking for, you know, a nine
Speaker 5: to one WOD call. They were just waiting and they
Speaker 5: saw you jaywalking and we got your face, so we're
Speaker 5: sending you this ticket.
Speaker 1: It's funny, but it's not funny because we do have
Speaker 1: the not necessarily drones, but the cameras on the buses
Speaker 1: who just read your license plate. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: to believe that all this works together is and it's
Speaker 1: in the same database.
Speaker 2: It just makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I can't say legally constitutionally where it is run a foul,
Speaker 1: But as sure as I'm sitting here, I promise you
Speaker 1: within the next three hundred and sixty five days. I
Speaker 1: don't like making predictions, but I am on this one.
Speaker 1: There will be a constitutional challenge on this on Fourth
Speaker 1: Amendment grounds as far as illegal search and seizure, right
Speaker 1: to privacy, and the expectations because.
Speaker 2: It's invariably going to happen.
Speaker 5: But but that's only going to happen when one of
Speaker 5: the drones happens to drift into a neighborhood where the
Speaker 5: intended use of the drone has not been permitted if
Speaker 5: you read what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I do, I do, or if there's some sort of
Speaker 1: unintended consequences where someone else gets caught up in something,
Speaker 1: because in other words, like if the drone is looking
Speaker 1: out looking for fireworks, I don't know if the drone
Speaker 1: can claim exitent circumstances for something that's going on three
Speaker 1: yards over a three backyards over right. I say, in
Speaker 1: the next three hundred and sixty five days, I expect
Speaker 1: there to be a constitutional challenge to this because you
Speaker 1: can't control all of the data, which it's a massing,
Speaker 1: and all of people's lives, which is a massing in
Speaker 1: real time. We have not had that discussion yet here
Speaker 1: in America, North Korea, China, even South Korea.
Speaker 2: Yes, they've had that conversation. We have it yet, and
Speaker 2: I don't think we're ready for it. I also don't
Speaker 2: remember voting on this, No, we didn't.
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