WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see, something's going to happen? 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What? What's going to happen? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:15.519 What? 4 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:26.839 Help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects. 5 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:29.440 This episode, we got a very special guest, somebody I 6 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:33.960 happened to come across organically on mute on Instagram. I 7 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:36.200 was slipping through and I happened to see a real 8 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:38.240 or a story that I thought was rather kind of 9 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:40.399 weird and funny. So I went and followed in and 10 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:42.039 I was like, Oh, she's a witch as well. So 11 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:44.039 I had to check out her account and she had 12 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:46.479 a lot of things that piqued my interest. She's got books, 13 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:50.520 and she's into magic, and she's into shadow work and 14 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:52.679 I just found out she's into chaos magic too, so 15 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:56.560 even better. So I want to introduce it. Mandy, Mandy, 16 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:57.719 what is going on? How are you? 17 00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:00.000 And please let everybody know what your deal is. 18 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:01.719 Hi. 19 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:03.799 I'm Mandy. Thank you so much for having me Nick, 20 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:08.560 It's like such an honor. I'm super excited to be here. 21 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:14.400 My name is Mandy m I'm an author, and yeah, 22 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:18.000 I like magic. I'm a psychology nerd, so I like, 23 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:21.680 you know, psychology magic things nice. 24 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:22.239 Nice though. 25 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:24.000 I kind of got that from you as well, from 26 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:26.400 your account, So that was another thing that interested me. 27 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:27.599 Nice. 28 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:30.799 So I guess, you know, normally for every guest that 29 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:33.519 I get on that is into the occult. I know 30 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:36.079 it's kind of like it's repetitive, but I do like 31 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:38.319 to ask them all at the beginning, like what was 32 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:38.840 it that? 33 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:41.079 How did you end up getting into this stuff? 34 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:45.799 Man? It's so weird. I feel like, well, I mean, 35 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:48.079 first of all, I think, just to like rewind a 36 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:50.439 little bit, I think all humans in general are meant 37 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:53.120 to be have a spiritual dimension of life, and we 38 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:56.599 live in like a really fucking weird point in time 39 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:59.519 where that is kind of like shit on a little bit. 40 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:02.640 But I feel like, you know, just naturally, as kids, 41 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:06.359 you know, were drawn towards spiritual things, witchy things, making, 42 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:09.599 you know, doing things that are symbolic of other things. 43 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:11.680 And so ever, since I was a little kid, I 44 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:15.400 was really attracted to that sort of stuff, into like 45 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:17.879 the witchy end of things. And I dabbled a little 46 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:20.159 bit when I was a teenager, but I at that time, 47 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:24.319 like the only kind of frame of reference I had 48 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:26.960 was like Wika, and I was like, this is definitely 49 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:29.879 not for me. I'm like not a rules based person. 50 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.960 I'm not a person who like, if I don't vibe 51 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:34.639 with something, if I don't fuck with something, I'm not 52 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:36.759 going to do it. So then you just end up thinking, well, 53 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:38.599 I'm bad at this and moving on with your life. 54 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:42.319 And then as I got older, I kind of got 55 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:46.520 into When I was going to school getting my psychology degree, 56 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:51.159 I was really interested in like anthropology, like spirituality and 57 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:53.240 other cultures and things like that, which kind of led 58 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.719 me to a place of where I am now, which 59 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:58.319 is very much I look at like psychology and spirituality 60 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:00.400 is kind of like two sides of the same and 61 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:03.759 different ways to interpret life. And I kind of ended 62 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:06.360 up making my own mish mash of you know whatever, 63 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:07.240 and here I am. 64 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:08.560 That's awesome. 65 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:13.960 Uh So, like when uh, I did notice one thing 66 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:15.960 on your channel, and I think it's kind of like 67 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:18.479 when you focus on too a lot? Is uh you 68 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:21.199 mentioned shadow work earlier, like you have like you know, 69 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:24.159 it goes healing for hot messes. Yeah, so like did 70 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:26.080 you kind of like focus on like you know, I 71 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:28.199 guess you know, people in the witchcraft or the eco 72 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:30.919 community actually like getting their heads straight and working on themselves. 73 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:38.240 Yeah. So, I mean for me personally, practicing like is 74 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:41.039 very much in my own practice, very much about trying 75 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:45.039 to get my mental health right. So my personal history is, 76 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:46.919 you know, I was a teenage run away. I got 77 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:50.360 into a lot of shit, and self destruction was like 78 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.800 pretty much my passion, and so I ended up going 79 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:56.759 through a lot of issues with mental health and with 80 00:03:56.840 --> 00:04:01.159 really just like being my own uh you know, big op, right, 81 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:03.159 And so I kind of ended up in a place 82 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:06.319 where I ended up getting a degree in psychology just 83 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.759 in like an attempt to figure out more about myself. 84 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:14.000 And then it kind of led to synthesizing that with 85 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:16.639 spirituality in order to just get my mind right. So 86 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:20.399 I don't do deity work or anything like that. I 87 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:23.120 wouldn't say I'm full psychological model. I think there's a 88 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:26.079 bit of the spirit model there as well, but I 89 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.279 will say that for me, it's very much about just 90 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:31.720 trying to not lose my shit, like not go insane. 91 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:34.839 And so I think that that's why a lot of 92 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:38.639 people that kind of identifies more like misfit style witches 93 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:41.120 end up in my sphere because I believe we can 94 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.079 lead with our messiness, right, like if we all just 95 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.279 accept who we are kind of start from there instead 96 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:50.079 of trying to outrun it, then we'll be ahead. 97 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:51.839 I like it. I like it. 98 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:54.079 I even think doing all that is part of the 99 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:58.439 great work or that's part of like magic anyway, that's 100 00:04:58.480 --> 00:04:58.959 my opinion. 101 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:00.600 Absolutely. 102 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:02.600 Yeah. 103 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:04.920 Now, like what kind of like when it comes to 104 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.959 your like daily practice, just for the listeners to get 105 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:09.600 an idea. That's something I've been trying to ask other 106 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:12.160 people too well, Like what would be like a typical 107 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:14.639 daily I guess daily which which the stuff you do? 108 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:16.680 Like do you have stuff like that? You know what 109 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:18.920 I'm saying, like meditation or anything like that. 110 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:22.160 Yeah. Yeah, So I feel like my my practice is 111 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:26.680 very not dazzling or instagram kind of aesthetic, but I 112 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:28.240 think a lot of people that are deep in it 113 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:30.600 kind of get to that space. So for me, it's 114 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.120 a lot about empowerment and understanding, like if you set 115 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:38.240 an intention, try to like really lead with that. I 116 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:42.439 love doing like energy kind of stuff, energy work, energetics, 117 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.360 try and like sort of go through life with that 118 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.000 as a bit of a focus. Really understanding that the 119 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:51.079 energy that I have is going to be the energy 120 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:52.560 that I put out in the world and also what 121 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:56.240 I received back. But for me, in terms of like spells, rituals, 122 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:00.319 that sort of stuff like energy work and then baths off. 123 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:02.000 Like I'm obsessed with bath magic. 124 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:03.680 I noticed that. Yeah. 125 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:06.519 Fuck, it just kills two birds with one stone. It's 126 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:09.199 just so easy. You can, like, you can do protection 127 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:11.920 stuff in there, you can do glamour stuff in there. 128 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.560 You can do just like general you know, reflection, shadow 129 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:18.639 work type stuff there. So for me, I'm just and 130 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:20.759 it's the only time when my kids aren't gonna fucking 131 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:25.959 bug me. So I'm like, it's just like beautiful for that. 132 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:28.600 That's funny. You get away from the kids at the 133 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:31.040 same time, that's awesome. Well at least like you know that. Yeah, 134 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:32.519 like you said, they will leave you alone while you're 135 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:32.879 in there. 136 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:37.279 Yeah, yeah, which it's it's like hard to get you know, 137 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:40.199 it's hard to run kids sometimes, but if you're like 138 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:41.800 I'm meditating, they don't give a shot. 139 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:45.160 Okay, Yeah I noticed, Yeah, I noticed. 140 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:47.120 I think I had posted something about bath magic and 141 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:50.319 candle magic, because you're you're in the candle magic as well. 142 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:55.519 Yeah. I do bath magic. I do candle magic. I 143 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:58.000 like doing like some written stuff. I do a lot 144 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:03.360 of work with like narrative, like personal narrative because you know, 145 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.600 because I kind of vibe with like the whole chaos 146 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:09.480 magic perspective. I think the stories we tell ourselves really 147 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.279 become our reality. And I have lived a different reality 148 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:14.040 than I have now. Like if you could go back 149 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.000 ten years and be like you're gonna write a whole 150 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:18.639 bunch of books and you're gonna actually be on podcasts 151 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:22.000 and things like that, I would have been like, shut up, no, 152 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:25.319 there's no fucking way. And so I like to do 153 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:28.120 a lot of that kind of stuff as well, like 154 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:31.639 just like journaling type stuff, but like deep deep diving 155 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.199 into like the shadow stuff and the narrative, right, like 156 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:37.680 what reality am I living? What am I speaking? Into existence? 157 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:42.839 Not to start like putting you on the spots, just 158 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:45.040 I want to the listeners to get an idea. 159 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:47.759 Just like what it entails for you. I can even 160 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:48.600 go on for myself. 161 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:52.759 Like for me, I never really did I guess bath magic, 162 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.680 but whenever I would do a ritual, I would. 163 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.120 Always do a goy, what are those things cool? 164 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:01.680 I take a bath? A ritual bath, I guess I 165 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.199 And I would sometimes like include incense or so to 166 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:07.360 believe it or not, Sometimes it sounds crazy. I would 167 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:10.120 get cheese cloth and make some sort of like kind 168 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:12.000 of like sachet out of stuff and then like hang 169 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:13.839 it like around the thing and kind of let the 170 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:17.439 hot water, almost making a tea bag really, And sometimes 171 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:19.519 I would do that with the water. Sometimes I would 172 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:23.240 include crystals or candles, you know, when I would just 173 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.079 kind of like sit there and kind of meditate like 174 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:27.160 on like is this what I want to do? Like 175 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:31.040 my intention is the reasons why I'm doing this? What 176 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:32.759 is it like for you when you go when you 177 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:34.440 happen to do your bath magic? 178 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.279 Pretty much the same as everything you just said there, 179 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:39.600 Like it's like setting the whole place up. I think 180 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.200 the vibe of the space is really important because if 181 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.000 you're looking at it as like a how do you say, 182 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.679 like a transformational vessel, like going in as one way 183 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:51.159 and then coming out as another, you have to kind 184 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:54.039 of set up sacred space. So for me, music super important, 185 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.559 Like if there's music that will get my energy into 186 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:59.799 a certain place. I really like cybient music because then 187 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:02.120 kind of like chill, but it's also like a little 188 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:05.639 bit you know, you can feel it in your body. 189 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:09.480 Using I do like a lot of basalt mixtures and 190 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.360 like herbalism with that sort of stuff I love. I 191 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:16.120 actually at one point there's an account called Silly Witch 192 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:18.360 Herbals and that's me because I was going to start 193 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:20.440 like a bath thing and then I looked into the 194 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:22.840 like logistics of it and I was like, I don't 195 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:26.120 know about this, but I really like making basalt mixtures 196 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:29.279 using different rbs that are you have correspondences with whatever 197 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:31.879 it is I'm trying to achieve. And then also mirror work. 198 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:36.480 I think mirror work is really important, so which uh, 199 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:38.960 you know, you feel silly doing it, but it can 200 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.679 be really transformational for self esteem, which is something I 201 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:44.600 struggled with for a really long time. So I like, 202 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:46.960 I love doing mirror work. Then having a. 203 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:49.279 Bath what does if you don't want me to ask you, 204 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:51.320 I've never heard of the mirror work before. 205 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:54.279 So there's a few different ways to do mirror work 206 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.879 for me. Sometimes it's just like a dialogue with the mirror. 207 00:09:56.879 --> 00:09:59.960 But often, like for example, if you struggle with self 208 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:02.799 self esteem or lack of self confidence, which like really 209 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:04.600 plagued my life for a lot of my life and 210 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:08.720 is why I was so self destructive even looking in 211 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:10.600 the mirror to get dressed in the morning is like 212 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:13.159 you kind of look away, like you're just like, I 213 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:15.399 don't want to. So it's what it is is really 214 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.440 kind of forming a relationship with yourself by spending time 215 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:22.320 gazing at yourself, giving your self affirmations or different sort 216 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.320 of words. You can do like dance kind of stuff, 217 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:28.240 but I try and get to a place of trance 218 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.960 with it before doing bath rituals because then it helps 219 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:33.399 anger that stuff in a little better. 220 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:35.200 That is really cool. 221 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:38.360 Yeah, and you feel stupid doing it at first, but 222 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:40.799 the more you do it, the more that energy bleeds 223 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:44.080 out into your like regular everyday life, Like low self 224 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:48.440 esteem was my biggest life problem, like until I kind 225 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:52.519 of started doing that work. And it's actually it's crazy 226 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:54.600 to me how fast it can shift things if you 227 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.159 really are dedicated with it. 228 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:00.120 It's funny how you're like, it may sound silly. It 229 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.960 probably took me like two months to finally do a 230 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:03.200 ritual when I was like, all right, I'm going to 231 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:05.039 do it, but it's just like, am I really going 232 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:06.879 to stand up and start saying all this ship and 233 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:07.799 making this circle? 234 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.879 You know, you're like, wow, am I really gonna do this? 235 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:14.320 One day I was like fuck it, let's do it. Yeah. 236 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:16.360 Well it's kind of like I feel like we have 237 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:18.120 this like level of embarrassment. 238 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:20.320 Yeah, like my whole block was gonna see me, even 239 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:21.399 though I was inside my house. 240 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:25.600 Yeah, so then you're like embarrassed and ashamed when it's like, bitch, 241 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:28.559 it's just you, like you get out of your own 242 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:29.080 head for five. 243 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:29.559 Yeah. 244 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:31.360 My cat don't care as long as I feed it 245 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:34.159 empty a little box. Like you know, you don't give 246 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:35.200 a fuck when I'm doing either. 247 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.919 Yeah, You're like doing your your rituals and there's spider 248 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:41.679 in the corners like you're doing a good job. 249 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:45.840 Yeah yeah, but yeah, I know that's so funny how like, uh, 250 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:47.960 I think that happens to a lot of us. 251 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.600 Uh, I don't know, like feeling silly and. 252 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:52.799 Then it'll hold you back from doing something that actually 253 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:55.799 can really help you, Like a. 254 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:59.200 Really good baby step to deprogramming in that way is 255 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:01.440 do the fucking read nobody's gonna see you. 256 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:03.879 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. 257 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:05.960 Now when you mentioned candle magic too, I know for me, 258 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:09.960 if I would do candle magic, sometimes I would get 259 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:11.960 even like a color that was like appropriate for whatever 260 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:13.720 I was trying to work with or I would like 261 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.759 throw sigils on there and like oils or you did 262 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:18.279 all that too, and like herbs and shit. 263 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:22.759 Yeah. I gotta be careful with candle magic though, because 264 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:24.879 I'm kind of like a fire hazard. I've got like 265 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:27.960 a scorching case of ADHD. So if I put herbs 266 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:29.559 and shit, I have to put it in the base. 267 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:31.919 I usually do a base of salt and herbs and 268 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:34.799 then oils and stuff on the candle with the sigel, 269 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.720 But then I have to put it like a big 270 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:40.480 base just in case it falls over, because it wouldn't 271 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:41.320 be unheard of with me. 272 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:44.600 Have you used oils in your bath? 273 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:49.320 Yes? Yeah, well usually when I do basalts, you mix 274 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:51.519 the oils and stuff in there, mix in and do 275 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:52.120 the whole thing. 276 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.639 Yeah. It used to use a pink Kimlain. Yeah. 277 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.799 One thing I will tell you I was stupid enough 278 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:00.960 to do it to myself and are really bad. There 279 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:02.840 was parts of my body I did not know what burn. 280 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:04.679 Don't put cinnamon oil in the end. 281 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:05.080 Of the water. 282 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:09.000 No, yeah, I use I use that for Friday because 283 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:10.440 I was like, oh you know it clothes with venus 284 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:10.799 and love. 285 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:12.480 Oh my god. 286 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.120 Yeah, it was whoa there you go. 287 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:19.200 There was no loving for me that day. 288 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.240 I'll tell you that one refreshing in the worst way. 289 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.200 Oh yeah, I remember telling somebody else that I was like, 290 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:27.360 just so it doesn't happen to you. 291 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:29.480 I don't, I don't know. I just didn't think about it, 292 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:30.360 like I guess, I don't know. 293 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:35.639 Yeah, all right, so yeah you did the candles, uh, 294 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:37.799 the mirror stuff in the meditating. 295 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:39.840 I'm trying to remember everything that you had said. 296 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:43.360 I mean, it kind of depends on what you're doing, right, Yeah, 297 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:46.879 Some like full moons are really good for I call 298 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.960 them like bathing in reflection rituals where you set yourself 299 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.080 up and then you kind of just think it because 300 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:54.679 we often are always going to the next thing, and 301 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.360 I think it's really important sometime to take stock of 302 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:01.399 like where you're at, you've been, how you got there, 303 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.519 and if you're chasing the same if you really want 304 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:06.240 the same things you're chasing, right, we often don't stop 305 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:10.080 and take like inventory. So that's a type of bath 306 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.600 that I do that would be different than say a 307 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:16.039 shadow work bath, which might be it's still very reflective, 308 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:21.200 but like with an intended kind of focal point or purpose. 309 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:24.960 And then if you're doing that versus say like a 310 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:27.840 protection bath or like a glamour bath. Those are going 311 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:29.759 to look a lot different, and there's different things you 312 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:33.759 can use. Like for example, I actually have like I had. 313 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:36.279 I don't think I have it up anymore, but I 314 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:39.360 had two bath magic courses that I did because I'm 315 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:41.799 literally so obsessed with this stuff. But if you wanted 316 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:44.399 to use the bath for scrying, if you use like 317 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:46.759 I may, if you make a milk mixture with like 318 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.559 powdered milk, oils, herbs, it will leave like a film 319 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:53.840 on the water that you can use for divination or scrying. 320 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.639 So there's you can do literally anything in the bath. 321 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:57.639 It's like wild. 322 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:03.720 Nice, Oh yeah, would you do? Uh? 323 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:05.799 I guess like if you do a candle magic and 324 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:08.519 stuff sometimes like would you do you ever tie stuff 325 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:10.840 to like elements of planetary stuff or are you not 326 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:12.480 like into that that type? 327 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:16.360 Yeah? Actually I have Koshi chimes up here. It's like 328 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:18.799 a sound healing thing and they're in uh, they're in 329 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:21.159 the four elements. So there's so many different things you 330 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:25.440 can do with the elements. I do find For me, 331 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:28.679 usually what I'm I'm kind of needing is the more 332 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:32.000 grounding energy like that that earth energy. I feel like 333 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:34.759 there's too much. I get too emotional, so I don't 334 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:39.080 usually fuck with water too much. But uh, but definitely 335 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:41.559 if I'm trying to do something with like creativity, I'll 336 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:44.960 work with air. So yeah. 337 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:46.399 Nice. 338 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.840 Yeah, So I guess like now for you on candle magic, 339 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:50.879 if you were I guess working with the elemental, would 340 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:53.159 that decide what calor candle you're gonna use? 341 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.240 Well, I guess it would depend. I try and like 342 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:01.519 stack my spells and ritual It'll be like use this color, 343 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:06.759 this herb, this element, this archetype is something. So like 344 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:10.120 I try and like get as much potency as I 345 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:12.799 can by stacking those different elements because I do my 346 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:15.639 spells intuitively. So it's like, if I'm going for this, 347 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:19.360 you know, what are the different themes and elements that 348 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:21.120 I can add to it? And that's like something that 349 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:24.000 I think, again, we naturally do since we're kids, right, 350 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:26.399 like if we're hoping to have something, even if we're 351 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:29.279 you know, you're twelve years old and you're hoping for 352 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:31.559 the boy you like to like you back, you know, 353 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:35.159 making a little older like little you know, there's these 354 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.480 weird things that we kind of intuitively do and we 355 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:40.360 don't really think of as magic until you get older 356 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:42.000 and then you fuck with magic and you're like, oh, 357 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:42.720 that's what I was doing. 358 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:47.519 Yeah, right, and that's too far from the same thing. Yeah, 359 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:50.519 you have an altar? Do you use an ultra space you? 360 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:53.879 I have my dresser, which OK, yeah, oh. 361 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:55.559 I know so many I know so many women use that, 362 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.279 though I don't think that's but. 363 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:59.360 It's like mine is oh my god, it's just covered 364 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:02.440 in it's finny because my husband's dressers right beside mine, 365 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:04.720 and he's like a neat freaking so it's like mine 366 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:08.319 is this like crazy, and then it's it's like so nice. 367 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:09.759 Just look at it, like oh my god. 368 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:14.759 Yeah, he's like, but yeah, that's like my altar. But 369 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:17.279 I wouldn't say I do a ton of work at 370 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:20.359 that altar unless it's like very basic. I'm lucky someone 371 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:24.440 made me a little clay figuring of me holding like 372 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:27.440 a crystal mushroom, and I use that for like self 373 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:29.839 love work because it's like a little mean soul like 374 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:31.799 put herbs and like things on it. 375 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:32.599 Nice. 376 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:36.880 Yeah, yeah, because uh, yeah, there's something I was going 377 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:40.039 to ask. I guess you can kind of set it yourself, 378 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:42.880 like I know for me, like I've I've mentioned before 379 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:44.880 to other people, and I do, uh, I try to 380 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.240 get others to see, you know, I guess other people 381 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:49.720 who do it to say it themselves. 382 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:51.039 Some people don't think I was like. 383 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:53.960 Extra with the shit, but like it would be common 384 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:56.119 sometimes for people, depending I guess on how in depth 385 00:17:56.119 --> 00:17:57.839 they want the ritual to be, Like they could use 386 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:00.000 a candle, then they could also use herbs for something 387 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.799 than the crystal. See, I would gray, I would bring 388 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:05.400 all that stuff. I would have like herbs or an incense. 389 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:07.160 I would match what I'm trying to do and have 390 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:09.000 the crystal that kind of goes along with what I'm 391 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:11.680 trying to do. Maybe a sigil as well, if I 392 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:13.920 was getting into like a little bit of chaos magic in. 393 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:18.559 The Yes, good is a big thing for you. Sorry, 394 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:19.759 sigil is a big thing for you. 395 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:23.359 Yeah, yeah, Because I also like doing a lot of 396 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:27.880 like artistic based magic and so actually I ran a 397 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:30.599 membership last year and one of the one of the 398 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.680 cool things we did that I loved is I ran 399 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:38.640 a session on hemispheric painting, so basically painting with your 400 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:42.319 non dominant creating something with your non dominant hand, and 401 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:45.559