Speaker 1: Yo, What is up? Boys? How's it going? And welcome
back to another episode of the Rant Cafe Anime Podcast.
Today it is just me and Jordan the anime dude.
What up, dude? How you doing?
Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? Happy to be here. Hope you guys
are doing well. Make sure to comment if you are there,
so that way we know, because as I was talking
with Briggs about earlier, otherwise you're just Shorten's viewer. Are
you there? Are you not? Like, we'll never know if
you don't comment, so it's true.
Speaker 1: And you can also comment on Spotify. Most of our
viewers for this podcast are on Spotify and you can
leave a comment, which is really cool. Let us know
what you think. Today's plan is kind of to go
through briefly the Bunny Girl SEMPI season one anime and
then get a little bit more into depth and focus
a little bit more on the three movies than me
and Jordan just watched for the first time very recently.
I did not watch the new season. My plan was
actually to suggest, you know how we do like the
little thing when we go in a circle and we
suggest shows. I was going to suggest the new season
a Bunny Girl, but Recon's not here. He's out touching grass.
Look at this dude touching grass. Who would have thought.
Speaker 2: Did? I can't even imagine. It's just last time I
touched grass. I don't know it was his forever ago. Dude.
Speaker 1: The only time I go outside is to play sports,
and that means I'm touching ice and sand. I played beach,
volleyball and hockey. So I go and touch ice and
sand and then I come home to my air conditioned
room and play games.
Speaker 2: I played basketball, so I feel you. I played the
indoor sport, non ac stuff, so I need a roof,
et cetera.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, starting with Bunny ro Sempi the first season,
it was quite a bit better than I remembered. I
remember liking the beginning and then just not having like
the I was just thinking the rest, which is kind
of okay, as they went into so many different like
plots and arcs and cover different syndromes for different characters.
I feel like my first time watching it, maybe weekly
or when I was a little bit younger, I liked it,
but I didn't love it. Upon rewatch, I feel like
I appreciated it way more. What were you with your
general thoughts there, you Ordano.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's always been one of those shows
I enjoyed a lot, and I enjoyed enough where I
definitely needed to rewatch it prior to going into the movies.
It's always been like a solid like seven seven point
five for me. Like, I enjoy it. It's not my
favorite thing, but it just reminds me of so many
other things that I've also seen done, and I like
those a little bit better. But have you ever seen
like our gyru or or Bakemonagatari or anything of that nature.
Speaker 1: I watched some Baka Monaga where I can't say that, Yeah,
I think I did watch some of that, and then
I watched I did not watchgu I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah. So Sakata is like one of those
main characters that you know, kind of blends in with
those shows as far as he's very self sacrificing and
he has the uh as a lot of people. He
puts kind of above himself. He doesn't really cherish himself
in the same way cares for others. And you know,
Bunny Girl Sipi is an interesting show because we see
that these things that kids go through and these coming
of age stories just kind of take physical manifestation, and
for him, you know, he has those scars on his
chest because he's always carrying like the emotional burdens of others, right,
So it's like a physical manifestation of that. So he's
an interesting character. He's a very wise Guy's got some
good one liners. Likable overall, but so definitely not I'm
not hating on the show. I enjoyed it enough to
rewatch it, So Yeah.
Speaker 1: Part of the reason why I like the movies is
they answered a lot of questions that I had off
the first season, Like in regards to those scars, we
dealt with so many other people's syndromes, and I just
assumed that his scars and him being in the hospital
at that time was related to his sister, and there
was just so much more to it, and it was
never covered the first season. Is our main character, our goat.
I love Sakuta, but he's helping my hel helping his sister,
he's helping Koga, he's helping Futaba the science girl. He's
helping everyone else get through their shit. Wow, he still
has deeper issues himself, and that's something that the movies
eventually dive into which I really appreciated.
Speaker 2: No, one hundred percent. He's a very multi dimensional character
in that way, and it's one of those where it's
like a stereotypical anime thing at surface level, so you
don't question it too much. You're like, oh, yeah, you know,
he's he's living alone. That makes sense. He's with his
little sister who's very attached to him. Yeah, that makes sense.
And you just kind of take these things at the
very beginning with a little bit of a grain of salt.
You're like, it's anime, but everything does come together and
makes sense, and it is well written in that regard.
So have you ever seen pet Girl or Sakuraso or no.
Speaker 1: No, I have not. Jordan, He's really the anime dude
over here.
Speaker 2: That was one of my favorite anime from a long
while back that I made a why you should watch
video on and it's by the same author as as
Bunny Girl Simpai, So it's a it's just, you know,
proves that the author has a track record, he knows
what he's doing. So it's setting up these kind of
classic cliches and tropes, but it is executing them really
well and sticking the landing as they carry from one
to the next.
Speaker 1: So you would think as ill as I get older
and as I watch more anime, I would become more
of an elitist. But I feel like as time has
went by, I have I nitpick less. Like before I
couldn't watch English dubs. Now I could watch a dub,
no problem. But also I remember when I first watched
the show. I remember the science stuff kind of pissed
me off. Like, I know, it's a physical the physical
manifestation of like their puberty syndrome things that they're going through,
and it's taking on like a weird supernatural form, right,
but you don't need to overthink it. That's just leave
it at that, right. But then the show tries to
be like, yes, science, let me give you a comparison,
and with the Shortener's cat one, I'm like, that's kind
of cool. And then things keeping on doing more and more,
and I just remember that kind of pissed me off before,
and I like this tile like, yeah, makes sense to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just gotta have fun with it, right, Like
at the very beginning of this episode, I had to
make a Schrodinger's reference just because of the bunny Girl
SIMPI right, it kind of gets in the mood, but
it is silly, right. It's they're throwing a bunch of
sciencey words out there, and you know everything makes sense
if you just throw quantum in front of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and entanglement quantum very Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like very high level views of like some science
y stuff and it's like it doesn't really matter at
the end of the day. No, it's more about like
the uh, the characters and kind of what they're actually
going through, right, like symbolically what it means.
Speaker 1: So it just gave the science girl purpose to be
in the friend group, like something for her to do.
It's like, yeah, I can give you, I can give
you some type of science explanation as what this could
like could be or a comparison to when in reality
it's like there's two futa buzz, there's like my turns invisible,
Like it's like some crazy supernatural shit. But I do
like how it's just so related to like their inner
fields and what's happening to them in their life. Because
the series starts off with the best clickbait of all time,
my in a bunny girl outfit, which she does not
wear for the remainder of the series. No one wears it.
Speaker 2: Really It's not true though, No, not every time study. Yeah,
He's like, all right, i'll study better if you put
on the bunny girl.
Speaker 1: I'm swear she did it like once in twelve episodes
on Yeah, and then in three movies also never or
maybe once. Just ultimate clickbait. They're like, do it in
the first episode and we could put it on the
title and thumbnail.
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate clickbait. You're not wrong? Do We
want to kind of go through each arc individually a
little bit and just can't give thoughts just because I
feel like it's one of those series where both the
first time through and recently I feel like I have
such different feelings on each arc, Like some I like
so much more than others, but like, you know, just
it's based kind of on the character they tackle, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, I do like some more than others,
but I like them all quite a bit. The first
one is still one of my favorites because it's is
really the beginning of the relationship between my and Sakuta,
who I am huge fans of. I just love the relationship.
I love the trust that they have and this like
Sakuta is just such like he just so blunt and
like says whatever he's thinking, and I just respect it
so much. But he's also just like actually a good
person and like a selfless individual. But yes, it starts
off with my being invisible and no one can see
her other than people initially from her school, right that
know her as a student. But for all her life
she's been on ads and she's an actress, right, Like
she's been photo shoots, movies, commercials, so on and so forth,
so everyone should recognize my, but her personal persona as herself.
For whatever reason, when like not being in those ads
turned invisible to people, she didn't exist. I think it
was a disconnect where like she started to really like
doing these actor or its actress's roles and like being
a person of interest. But when she was younger, she
was forced to do things that her or her mother
made her do, like bathing, suit shoes and stuff that
she didn't like, and she like she felt like she
was put into this world against like her own consent,
and she quits. So now she's in this point where
it's like she doesn't want to do what her mom says,
even though now she kind of enjoys it. It's like,
I was gonna do the dishes anyway, mom, but now
that you told me to do the dishes, I don't
want to do the dishes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm explaining as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's that. And then it's also just
like the breach of trust that was kind of had
there so like, especially with her being a child actor, right,
Child actors usually have a lot of problems as is.
There's a lot of pressure that goes with that. You're
constantly busy, you're constantly working, and with that like comes
like a bit of a feeling of like social isolation
from your peers and whatnot. Right, you can't don't really
have those those friends groups and uh and in a
situation like that, her mom, you know, being there with
her all the time would be that pill of support
that she kind of has to lean on. And you know,
when she says, I don't want to do like a
swimsuit any swimsuit stuff as like a middle schooler, and
then her mom made her do it anyway, the breach
of trust there was so severe that it just kind
of pushed her further down that uh path of like isolation, right,
like isolation, and then I think, like as an actor
and as somebody that has that is like their entire life,
there's also like a fear of like being forgotten, right,
like what are you leaving behind? So so it's like
all that stuff. That was one of my favorite arcs
was uh was that first introduction of those first three episodes.
The series started out so strong, So yeah, I think
it was.
Speaker 1: A strong start. I liked the idea, especially because like
my being observed so much, but like personally, she doesn't,
I feel observed. And then that now just turning invisible
to everyone. But there was that whole thing where like
she was still remembered as a student, but slowly as
people fell asleep and woke up and fell asleep and
woke up, she forgot my as well for Sakuta, and
then that brings up that brings up this thing where
like he stayed up for multiple days at a time
so that he wouldn't fall asleep, so that he wouldn't
forget her because he didn't want to forget this amazing girl.
And it ends with such a cute, wholesome, awkward and
cringe moment where he confesses his love. It's a highlight
of the series. In front of the whole school doing
something so embarrassing, so over the top to make it
people snap her back into reality. It's like, oh yeah,
that's like, how can someone be confessing their love? Like
this issue person doesn't exist, you know, and they all
remember her.
Speaker 2: I feel like those first three episodes are such a
good introduction to Soakata as a character as well, for
that reason you just outlined. He is such a character
that doesn't really care what most people think. He doesn't.
There's you know, there's a certain flow in certain social
settings and situations and stuff, and if he doesn't like
flow along with that, or he's kind of going against it,
you know, he doesn't let that face him too much.
He's kind of blocked it out. And it takes somebody
kind of like that to to really reach out and
pull my out of her funk, right, which is why
she ends up kind of falling for him. And the
banner is fun and stuff too, But I think that
they just kind of each found each other in a
moment where they needed somebody like the other person, right,
So they have a very very good relationship.
Speaker 1: And like, uh, Soko is so blunt, and he was
able to just say, like, go back and do what
you love, go back into the industry, like you enjoy it.
Fuck your mom basically.
Speaker 2: Yea, and you got to do what makes you happy,
right like. Uh, he kind of set her back on
that path that you know she needed to be set
on at that point in their life. Yeah, that she
wanted to be on. Yeah. That and weird little tangent here.
Can I give you one of my biggest pet peeves
in anime? Yeah, So this is a thing that, uh,
you know, if a guy ever did this to a girl,
we would would call him scuming, rightfully. So, but for
some reason, anime, there's this thing where girls always end
up drugging guys, all right, like, and we just kind
of let it happen. Mi just drugged him in that
first episode. You just slip stuff into his drink to
make him fall asleep. Yeah, she did it because she can.
Speaker 1: But that's why would you do that again?
Speaker 2: And I only bring that up because you made me
rewatch the movie and like, well as I was watching
the movie so close together, he also got drugged in
that movie, And I'm like, why do people keep drugging
this man.
Speaker 1: We'll keep on boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so sad, so weird, little side tangent from
my boy Sokata.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we move on to the next arc, which
I do think is not as good, but it still
has an amazing ending to the arc. I believe this
is where we get into Cooga, the classmate who they
he like our main character pretends to date for a
little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Kohai oh man by letting him go through
with that. Yeah. So Coga is I feel like the
exact opposite of Sokata in a lot of ways. Where
he doesn't really care about the flow and what other
people think, she really cares about what other people think.
And she has like like that fear of not fitting
in and because that like she kind of avoid It's
she like avoids tough topics and tough decisions and and
things that would have consequences.
Speaker 1: Right. It was so crazy, like she'd have to stop
mid sentence to like reply to people as quickly as possible.
She didn't want to make it look like she wasn't
like replying. She would literally do homework to watch all
the memes and videos that our friends are talking about,
so she could stay in the loop that she was
so doing so much to fit in and care about
what other people are thinking, which is so I'm glad
you pointed that out so opposite to our main character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's one of those things where like
there probably are a lot of kids like that, right,
they feel that need to fit in, and we kind
of see that manifest via the time loop, right, Like
if she doesn't, she kind of fears the repercussions of
things going wrong, you know, she doesn't want to face that.
She's never going to write it has like a little
simulation type thing of none of that really happened. It
was all just like a what it right? So yeah, yeah,
it's it's an interesting arc. I actually enjoyed it quite
a bit, although I wouldn't say she's like one of
my favorite characters by any means. She's just kind of
there a lot of the time.
Speaker 1: But I feel like I wasn't super in I wasn't
super infested in this one. It was repeating day, Like
I just I really after going through something with our
main character. In my our main character and this girl
who like they're doing a pretend relationship for like the
appeasement of like others in a way, and for her
it just had a little bit of a disconnect. But
the ending where she was she was making it seem
like she didn't remember that they were looping and tomorrow
Groundhog Day was not coming. Also groundhound like the days
is a cool supernatural thing as well, but like she
made it seem like it wasn't happening, but she really
did know. She was just hoping that after like a
dozen dates, twenty dates, fifty dates, one hundred dates of
repeating the same day, that he would eventually fall for
her the way that she had fallen for him, because
she really did have feelings for him, and she was
hoping after eight thousand repeating days that he would eventually
fall for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an unquidded love and she just didn't
really want to face that right, Like she just like
maybe if I try enough times or buy enough lottery tickets,
maybe uh, something will change. But you know, it just
was not meant to be.
Speaker 1: So I think my favorite he was Lazarus Demon or whatever,
Lapslist's demon or whatever, where he kept unrolling the dice
repeating days over and over again, trying to get the
optimal all come, but something was really cute and beautiful
about it but also fucked up. I don't know, I
liked it.
Speaker 2: I think my favorite part about this arc is kind
of how it started, and you know, by the end
you kind of right back to where it started because
it was like nothing none of it ever happened. But
uh it's just him actually asking out my and like
her saying yes, and then it's like, oh, shoot, that
didn't happen. So he has to have those steps over
and over again. So even in this arc, mine was
the one that shined right love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, My favorite was definitely the ending, but that was
that was everything, like, oh no, they finally dated. How's
he going to fuck this up now that he has
another chance?
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, and luckily he did it.
Speaker 1: Let's keep it moving, can we do? We need a
couple of devies. So going into the next arc, I
believe here going into foota buzz arc.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. So this is one I didn't really like
the most whenever I first watched it, and even now,
like it's probably still my least favorite, but uh, I
think it does a good job of like tackling her,
like she seems like a very genuine person helping out
her friends throughout those first two arcs. But even with
that and stuff like, she has a bit of an
identity crisis as far as she's growing up, she's going
through puberty, boys are kind of looking at her a
little bit differently, and like trying to balance those two,
like the authentic self part of herself and then the
part that kind of wants attention, and trying to kind
of balance those apart, it causes that rift that like
basically splits her into two. Right, So, yeah, I wasn't
really a big fan of this arc. You know, she
has a crush on a guy as a girlfriend, and
I felt like somehow they tackled that was a bit rough.
Like I was like, now, she shouldn't be confessing in
a situation like that.
Speaker 1: But I'm just such a character driven person where like,
arguably this arc should be worse than the one with Coga,
But because I like more than Coga, I like this
arc better. Like if I like the characters, I pay
attention more and I'm more invested, and just the way
it is.
Speaker 2: I know that makes sense, as are about the characters,
right right exactly.
Speaker 1: Then, So like, because I liked her as a character.
I'm more invested in her version of puberty syndrome, where
she had one version that was being a little bit
more reserved and one version that was like doing anything
for attention, And it was because like what would you
say the reason, like what was her existential thing? Like
obviously she liked speak, she had a crush on a
guy who had a who has a girlfriend, But I
think it was also there was also more than that
to it. I just wish I could remember. I haven't
watched it as as recently as you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was one where she like kind
of wanted his attention a little bit, like she was
seeking a little bit of validation there, but also you know,
she also wants authenticity and be her true self, and yeah,
that's not that's kind of a I don't know, there's
parts of growing up right there and stuff where she
wasn't really quite even recognizing herself with like some of
the things she had the temptation to do, right, So
she just kind of had to eventually accept all those
aspects of herself there by the end, and even if
even if they were kind of in conflict, was my
was my takeaway.
Speaker 1: And also yeah, at the same time, it's like, Sokuta
just got my as a girlfriend, and yeah, our other
guy has a girlfriend. So now she probably feels like,
oh shit, I don't have a partner or I'm gonna
lose my friends along the way as well. I'm like
the girl third wheeling. That's like, yeah, but that's a
girl welcome anymore anymore?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, another aspect of like, you know, a little
bit of social social or isolation a little bit in
that regard as far as she didn't really have very
many other friends, right and whenever.
Speaker 1: Her parents were around either, like she just felt alone.
Yeah anything, Yeah, this art better than I remember after.
Speaker 2: Talking attention to that one a little bit more than
I did.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I just not as I didn't watch it
as recently.
Speaker 2: It's no good. I enjoyed it more this most recent
time than I did the first time around it right,
first time, I didn't quite understand it.
Speaker 1: I don't know entire type of doge that I read
when I was dude or something when this first came out,
because I remembered Futabau wearing a bunny girl outfit and
as I was rewatching it, I'm like he never put
it on What the hell? I must have read something
ten years maybe maybe came out. What did this just come
out five years ago?
Speaker 2: It came out back in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
something like that. I mean glance, Yeah, twenty eighteen for.
Speaker 1: The first season, six or seven years ago.
Speaker 2: So I was in college whenever this came out, and
I remember, like I remember enjoying it. But I feel
like there's something about growing up and actually being an
adult where you go back and rewatch something like this
and you kind of appreciate it on a different level, right, Yeah,
Like you kind of see what these kids are going through,
and you're like able to look down and like observe
it better or more objectively, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that's why I was able
to maybe appreciate because I also I'm at a point
where like a lot of my friends are getting married
and having kids and just not being even like me, Lauren,
like love to have fun and do things. But I'm
starting to get to an age where like eleven o'clock
rolls around and all my buddies are time to go.
I'm like, it's a Saturday, you could stay till twelve.
So I just also starting to feel like a people
are getting girlfriends and lives are getting changing, Like you
start to like feel a little bit more isolated from people.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Worre's Rico on he's out touching grass, Marcus, this.
Speaker 2: Dude, it will become unrelatable. Can you imagine touching grass
or at least I can't. Right, Like me and Jordan Byer,
I feel recognize anymore.
Speaker 1: Feeling isolated while other people are touching grass. We are
food to that. All right, Let's move on to Noko
Noka Nodica, which is my sister, and they have a
swap of bodies and they had to live in each
other's lives. I appreciated that my it didn't come easy
to her. She had to work her ass off to
do what Nodica was able to do and Notdoka, who
was struggling in the end, was able to pull off
what my was doing as well, just showing that, like
they both have potential in their own different ways. But
really it kind of resolved to a similar thing of
emotions where I feel like Nodoka felt like her sister
hated her, and she kind of hated her sister and
was like resentful because her mom always viewed her as
being like the older sister that's so good and notaicup
wasn't living to her level. And I feel like through
the bond of my and Nodoica and like their friendship
and sisterhood coming closer together, she they were able to
resolve their issue. So it was a combination of a
couple of things, like her proving to herself that she
could do something that mine did, but also realizing that
like they actually love each other and don't hate each other,
I think with a good step.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd never really quite opened up to each other
on that level, or she didn't quite know what my
thoughts were on her. So, you know, as as we
set up the art after this and whatnot, we see
like a lot of different you know, siblings kind of
exploring their relationships, and the one between her and my
is one where she's always been a little bit she
She loves my, she adores her, she looks up to her,
admires her, but she's also a little bit envious, right
just because of the resentment of like their parents putting
those comparisons on them. And uh, I think that's kind
of the driving force of it, right is whenever you're
a younger sibling or something, and your your parents always
expect you to act like your other sibling or that.
You know, those expectations can kind of drive a little
bit of a wedge of her resentment, even if it
wasn't their prior. So yeah, seeing that kind of takes
shape and then seeing that my you know, at the
at the beginning, she was kind of lying saying yeah,
like I hate you too and stuff like that. But
by the end she sees my really does cherish her
like as a sister, and it's not really their relationship
doesn't have to be defined by like how their parents
compare them, right or anything like that. She's like, I'll
just stay with you for a bit, give it some
time to you know, give some time to boil over
with my mom, and we'll each tackle kind of what
we have, what we have our own goals and aspirations for.
Speaker 1: So, I think what could have made this arc a
little bit better is while Nodoka was in my body,
when she finally achieved like saying the lines properly, getting
some type of positive reinforcement from the mother. Even this,
she to work a text message like good job or something
I think would have been like because she got her
own self fulfillment by doing it, but I think it
would have also added to it if she was able
to get some praise while being my. I think that
would have taken it a step further.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's part of what really hurt and
stuff was that she never really heard very much praise
from her mom. But after they switched, and you know,
my was able to do what she does but does
but better you know her mom was praising her, and uh,
I think seeing that from the outside that really hurt Noica,
Like she felt like she wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1: For exactly and that's why it's like, I think a
good ending to it would have been like obviously like
the the healing of the sisters and their friendship, but
also I think like just like a text message from
the mom saying like, good job on something while Notica
is being my. Yeah. Well, even though even though it
took her ten attempts, what do you think they have?
Speaker 2: They have different so they have different moms and stuff, right,
so it's like it'd be weird to reach out to
my and and things like that. But that's that's the
thing that their half sisters a right, Like they didn't
grow up together. It was one where she, uh, she
suddenly had a new sister, and it was once she
already admired and she was kind of living in her shadow.
Is like being compared to her all the time, getting
roles that she like they're both.
Speaker 1: But I feel that that step mom or whatever used
to praise my to Nodica all the time, like she
would talk, yeah, why can't you be more like my?
My so amazing exactly she's doing this, She's up to
date on a hall all her things. So I don't
think it would have been like that out of the
ordinary for like her to send her a text message.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like mom had a little bit of a competition
type thing going and they kind of use their daughters
to kind of pushed that. And I will say a
little bit of an olive branch. I think you're describing
it towards the very end is since Nodoka, did you
know she did run away to go start living with
my like whenever this happened, because you know, they one,
there was the turmoil with the mom but too, like
you know, you can't really necessarily go about your life
with the whole body swap thing. Going. I think the
mom was genuinely just worried about her as a parent
would be right if your daughter suddenly, you know, is
not home, she's you know, staying with her half sister,
like you don't know where she's at, what she's doing.
I think there was concern from the mom, and seeing
that her mom actually was concerned about her was that
it was something that helped there at the end of
the arc as well. Right like she she just assumed
like she wouldn't really care or be worried or anything
because she hadn't seen that that from her yet.
Speaker 1: Got it? Okay? Okay? Moving on to the final little arc.
This is with Kaide, the little sister of our main character,
and it doesn't like fully cover it. Can we get
a whole movie on Kayde, But it's just her trying
to like because she got bullied as a kid and
then she lost her memories through some puberty syndrome to
kay I just forget what happened, and she became a
hit kamori who doesn't leave her house, and she was
scared of the outside, scared of social interaction. Basically, her
big brother kind of ended up be coming like her
dad in a way because with this new version of
Kyde and her memories, she really only talked and associated
with with Sakuta for like two years until my and
Nodoka and other people started to enter the picture. Slowly
she started to talk with others, but she didn't leave
her house. So you have cute scenes like her hugging
her brother's back and slowly walking outside and the little
things like that. But I did have a few. Only
at the end of this season. The two things kind
of didn't get concluded. One was Kaide We got a
little bit of thing, and I want you to talk
about that because he probably a better better memory than me.
We have Kaida's art that didn't feel concluded to me.
And we had Choko Chan, which was just like person
that our main character said saved him, right, it was
this girl who saved him. And then he sees her
again in this season as a child, and then he
rescues a cat and said, you could come visit whatever
whenever to visit the cat because your parents won't let
you take the cat in whatever. And he keeps on
saying like there's a child version and an adult version,
but he's the only one who's seen the adult version
or like the high school version or whatever. And it
just it seems like both times that he was in
need back then and even towards the end of the season,
this older choko chan appeared. Both times that he was
in need of some type of comfort, he needed a
person to console him, she appeared. So at this point,
I'm like, this should even fucking exist. Is it a
figment of his imagination? Is it some type of syndrome? A.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's confusing too, because he like he meets
her as like a middle schooler. Yeah, and like the
middle school her and the high school her are obviously
like very they're they're different, but they're the same name,
same Yeah, Like they're the same person, but they're also different,
and like trying to figure that out is a weird thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't have each other's memories, like the Little One
had no recollection of that, right, or.
Speaker 2: At least they didn't let on if they did, right exactly,
And uh, yeah, it's it's setting all. That's the thing
about this series is every arc we've discussed, it might
focus one character, but it's always setting up kind of
what comes after m m. Yeah. And so this art
did a good job of setting that up and then honestly,
I love I love it tackling what happened with Kaye.
I think it's one of my favorite arcs. But I
will have a I have a little bit of a
not a correction, but like some food for thought on
how to approach it, because while this art does focus
on Kayaka, I think does the series does a good
job of treating like the kaya Da from this arc
and the kaya Da from the movie as like two
different people, right yeah, because they are like they have
different quirks and mannerisms, they have different memories, like the
Kayada that he's known for like these past two years
of living together that that's like, you know, she came
to be from like having no memories. She she was
just kind of woke up in the hospital and like,
I don't know what's wrong. It kind of drove her
mom crazy. Like she's been going through a lot, and
she still has that like fear of the outside world
and everything going on there. She has that like U
in some way, but she doesn't have like any direct
memories for that, right, So it's it's like she's like
her own little person and she's technically fifteen at the
start of the series when we when we meet her,
But like if you just got your memories from uh
you know, like just started having the memories like two
years ago. Like there's a reason she acts so much
younger than that, right, Like she acts like a little
kid a lot of the time. So yeah, seeing her, like,
you know, she has like a she's like basically a
physical man if a state of like psychological trauma just
from all this cyber bullying and things like that. Right,
Like she just completely shuts herself off and just uh
it just isn't really able to face it, right, so
that that that manifests through her just being her own.
Speaker 1: I just I'm a different person. I have a bad memory,
and I can't remember what was covered in this little
arc at the end, these last two episodes or last
three episodes, versus what is covered in the movie. Like
I know what's covered the movie for the most part,
but I don't know if I gotta want to spoil
things that happened in this ending arc, you know, No, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You're the movie would mainly focus the first movie would
mainly focus on Shoko. But yeah, the second movie, the
first season, now, the first movie, the Dreaming of a
dreaming girl.
Speaker 1: I know, did you did you watch the second movie?
Speaker 2: I watched all the movies. Yeah, there's three of them.
Speaker 1: Just three of them. One of them focuses on Kyo and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the second one focuses on Kyade. But that's
the that would be like the sister that basically lost
a two year gap in memory, right, that like he
kind of grew up with, so I would I would
view that as like a different Kayte.
Speaker 1: I know, but yeah, it does. Her memories come back
like right away.
Speaker 2: So it comes back. It comes back at the end
of the first season.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, is that Like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has that like traumatic response of like running
through the rain and stuff, because on one hand he's
happy that, you know, his his sister's back, but on
the other hand, he's been like the emotional support for
this new sister essentially for like two years now, right,
and he's gotten to know her and spend a lot
of time with her over the years, like they've been
really close because they were all each other had. So
he basically lost a sibling basically at the end of
the first season, as he tried to Yeah, it was
the death of that character and it was him trying
to process that loss, right and try to try to
deal with that grief. And it is a weird grief too,
because it's not just a loss so like it it's
mixed with like the happiness of also having his other
sister back, and it's a weird emotion to try to process. Right.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was being so vague. I thought
that happened at the beginning of the movie for some reason.
So it happened. So what ends up happening is he
works with his sister to help her get over, Like
he spent two years with his sister or whatever, doing things,
slowly building her up, whatever, spending having all these different
moments and doing all these things with her. Toward the
end of the season, they're going to the zoo. They're
trying to get to school for the first time to
like so she could experience that because she hasn't been
to school in so long, and they were working on things,
and finally when they kind of made a step forward
where Kaide was ready to go back to her old
life in a way, boom, old Kaide returns. All those
two years of memories and relationship building gone that Kaide
is essentially dead, right, yea, and our main character has
this mental breakdown, running in the rain crying depressed, and
Choko chn the middle school now in middle school, the
high school version appears to comfort him, and she doesn't
really age from the last time we saw her at
this point in the sort series. In this season, we
still have a high school version of Choco, and that's
the same version from many years ago when he needed
her last which was an interesting little catch. I do
believe we get a college version of Choco John later
on in the movie, but right now it's like the
same version. And it was just a wild ending. I
thought it happened in the movies. I didn't want to
spoil it, but this was one of my favorite arts,
I'd say, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's a weird thing too because I didn't
catch this the first time. But I think it's one
of those things where she kind of aged at like
the same rate as him from like acut To first
seen her in like in high school, and then like
two years or whatever passes by, and I think she's
like technically like two years older looking whenever we see
her again. But yeah, the whole Shoko thing is is uh,
it's a little bit confusing. Yeah, but that's the whole
first movie.
Speaker 1: Well, they described her I believe it the the middle
school version of the high school version, and like the
college version. And yeah, the first time I remember them
saying the college version was in the movie. But then again,
my memory is all messed up. So like at the
end of the season, it's like it didn't seem like
she aged.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, she basically looks the same. Yeah. I like
to think of it as like past, present and future
her right, But again, the Sciancy stuff isn't too important.
It's just well you kind of conclude that first season
with her seeing him helping him through that tough time
with Kayatee because he's having to process all that grief,
and then him and my kind of having a bit
of a moment where she wants to be that crutch
that he leans on because she cares for him and
they're in a relationship, and you know, she wants to
she wants to be there for him, and then that
whole conflict is kind of where we end that first
season if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: And then we start off with the first show Covi
Shoku Machin O'Hara arc. It's something something something Rascal dreaming Girl.
This is the dreaming Girl.
Speaker 2: One Rascal does not dream of, but dreaming Girl or
something to that effect.
Speaker 1: So this covers volume six and seven of the Light Novels.
I think this is probably the best movie of the three.
Speaker 2: I think the When We Got over Here, like cause
I remember it was in theaters and everybody loved it. Right,
it was a little bit longer than the other ones
as well.
Speaker 1: Seemed like this one made sense to make into a movie. Wow.
Don't get me wrong. The other two were also good.
I like them both, but they just felt like three
episodes of an anime like this, Yet Rascal does not
dream of Dreaming Girl, Sister venturing out and knapsa kid.
They could have just made a twelve episode series.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the thing is the author does a does
an interesting job of like titling the Light Novels where
it's never titled like volume one, volume two, it's like
literally the name of each arc or whatever. Like Rascal
does not dream of Funny Girl, SIMPI, Rascal does not
dream of X. Like that's the Those are each like
their own volume, right, like their own book, and we
kind of see those adapted into arcs in the first
season and then adapted into movies in those like middle three. Right, So.
Speaker 1: The Dreaming Girl one took up two novels that.
Speaker 2: That would make sense to me. I haven't read them myself.
I'm just uh yeah, going based on the titles. But
but yeah, that that would make sense. It was a
big arc, right. It was definitely the one that feels
most like a movie for sure.
Speaker 1: Especially like with the ending and everything. It just it
really did feel like a movie. There's so much stuff
that happens, and I'm trying to remember here and I
don't know if you want to take the take the range, yeah, Jordan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like in this movie and stuff, we we
find out that show Goo has been hospitalized. She has
a hard issue. She's in middle school. This is the
middle school version of her, right, and uh, and we
see her puberty syndrome kind of take place based on
like a thing on the future she filled out back
in elementary school. It's like where do you what do
you want to do in the future? Right?
Speaker 1: What do you?
Speaker 2: Where do you see yourself? And for her having this
illness and disease that she's been going through, where she
might not mean like a heart transplant and stuff. It
was hard for her to like even picture her future, right,
so you know, this thing keeps getting filled out a
little bit, and uh, she's like hospitalized as like a
middle school version, but also her her high school version
keeps having all these high school slash college with the
future version keeps having all these interactions with a with Soakuta,
right as uh as the things that they do end
up getting filled out on that elementary like wish list
if you will, like the plans for the future. So yeah,
it's a it's a bit of an interesting art in
that regard where I don't know if you want to
chime in a little bit more before we go on,
like the big twist or whatever. But there's a reason
his scar that he has on his chest only really
reacts whenever thatail that.
Speaker 1: I really like that detail because in the beginning of
the series, we knew that Kaydie was going through something
with her syndrome. Also he had the scars when it
happened and then shown appeared, and then the same thing
happened at the end of this year at the end
of the first season as well, and you think it
has something to do with him, and it does, but
it's also directly connected to Chocotron, which is why she appears.
She appears when he was in need. But also Dwighton
wanted to say the twist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like his heart from from dying and stuff
is uh, got transferred to her, and that's why there's
a future version of her that exists, right, So it's
like they have the same part existing in that in
that time period, with her being the one that kind
of kind of came back, right. So yeah, it's it's
a very interesting concept because a lot of times when
a series has like time travel or something, they try
to tie it in like a neat little bow or
try to you know, and a lot of times it's
hard to do, right. Time travel stuff is hard to do.
But in this case, it's basically saying that everything we've
seen in the series up to this point is a
like like a like a simulation kind of by the
elementary school her of like possibilities, right, So it's like
not really happening, but it's like this is that's why
they're able to kind of go back and forth and
change things a little bit willy nilly. But yeah, basically
she's trying she doesn't want him to die for her,
right like she she cares for him too. She's she's
trying to be selfless and so she tries to lead
him away from that to go about his life. And uh,
and then he wants he wants to sacrifice himself for her.
So everybody's being very self sacrificial and.
Speaker 1: Uh, literally everybody in this one, yeah, because.
Speaker 2: Some people around them are going to get hurt as
a result, right.
Speaker 1: Literally everyone. Sokuta is being such a good friend to
Choko because Shoko was there for him as her future self,
but she was he was there for her in the hospital.
He ends up giving his heart when he ends up
getting hit by a car or something one day. His
heart was used to save her, but she wanted to
continue living. But she also didn't want her friend to die,
which complicated things. And then Sakuta is like, fuck it anyway,
I'm gonna jump in from like I'm gonna still go
to where I shouldn't be going. So I still get
hit by that car to make sure reality does happen
the way that it did happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he doesn't want to change things, right, but
I do love that. There's like there's that conflict in
him because he loves my and you know, my sitting
there begging him like, don't do this. Don't talk to
everybody like you're saying goodbye, like even if you think
you're supposed to die, and stuff like, don't do this
to me, like I'll bear this burden with you. And uh,
there is a part of him that like has those
doubts of like I don't want to die, like I
don't like I'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna have
to tell her no, and then you know, eventually he
does give in. He is that self sacrificing.
Speaker 1: He has that characteristic I do want to say them.
So someone in chat Marcus said, I hate that he
cared more for Choco than my and that's just not true.
He didn't care more for Choco than my. It's one
of those things where he he felt like they're changing
reality and like if he's choosing to not do what
already was supposed to happen, in a way, he's making
a kid that he cares for die. Yeah, it's like
he was supposed to die and save this girl in
the process, and now she's being like, no, save yourself instead.
That's a hard thing. You're essentially killing a child in
a way, or choosing to live over a child, which
he's not choosing, saying he cares more for her than my.
He's just choosing to do what was kind of already
supposed to happen and not cause a child that he
cares for to die. But what's fucked up is he
has this beautiful relationship with my and mine wants him
to care for himself and love himself and not die
because you love each other. Now you lost me, Okay,
He's like, I'm just saying, it's like, it is confusing technically,
technically what was supposed to happen was he was supposed
to get hit by a car. But then future version
of Shoko says, don't do it. I don't want you
to die, and he's just like, it's a tough situation,
Like it's a moral dilemma where he he loves my,
he cares, he wants to keep on living. He struggles
with it, but he also doesn't want to be responsible
for this kid dying in a way.
Speaker 2: H Yeah, that's the that's the tough thing that a
lot of archetype characters in this archetype usually end up
facing is whenever they're very self sacrificing and have this
bit of a hero complex of like putting everybody else
above themselves, they don't cherish themselves enough to realize, Hey,
the people around you also care about you, right, yeah,
and they would they would care if you die. And
it's Mine tries to kind of pull put that into him, like, hey,
I probably love you way more than you love me. Yes,
And she shows that via like she's literally willing to
give her life for him, and speaking she's so good
ones on the other foot, right, like, it's not fun
to be that guy that that had somebody sacrifice themselves
for you, and then you have to go on living
with that, right.
Speaker 1: So, speaking of self sacrifice, Mine literally pushes him out
of the way, sacrifices herself and like you said, now
he gets to live in a world without my right,
which he was essentially going to do to her when
he sacrifices himself, right. And everyone has so much self
sacrifice in this movie. I think this movie was the
best out of the three, but I do wish so
I don't think we got like a really final solid
explanation for the ending. What ends up happening is Sokuta
upon upon my sacrificing yourself gets one more attempt, I guess,
and both my and him survive. They both live. But
then in the end we see a young Choco chron
by the sea, which was a little We get an
explanation for it later, but I don't think we get
it in this movie, which I wish we got a
little bit of it in this movie.
Speaker 2: I think it explained it in the movie. So it uh,
it's it's kind of like I said, it's kind of
a weird, confusing thing where everything was based off of
like the elementary schoolers, uh, her.
Speaker 1: List of what she wanted to do, and like, yeah.
Speaker 2: They basically undid everything with like the belief that even
without Showcochon being like a active influence on their life,
that like they still would have met and still would
have had all these other experiences. And basically that's kind
of what happens, right, is none of that stuff that
we saw throughout the series happened, but then it still
did just without the show co Chun stuff, like she
wasn't a part of it. Everything. Basically everything we've seen
was like a simulation of the future, but.
Speaker 1: They did they keep the right because I know My
was able to somehow be influenced enough and care enough
to choose to do a movie that raised a bunch
of money for like her exact situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a subconscious thing where they don't have those
specific memories. And I think that that's kind of what's
typed a little bit later and stuff is uh, Shoko,
you know, Choko's the only one that really remembers that.
She remembers it. They don't, but he like he has
this like inkling and like probably like tidbits of like
like I know her and and whatnot things like that. Right,
they still feel close. They were still influenced and impacted
by it. Everybody had those dreams of like what that
experience was like. But uh but yeah, but yeah, it
didn't actually happen or did something to.
Speaker 1: See her like like she she felt like My felt
like she needed to star on this movie, right, and
then they made doncasions and stuff. Did that happen in
this movie or was it like teased in the next.
Speaker 2: One very end? And then I think it also uh
kind of trailed into a lot of them, like the
ending credit scene or like the very last scene that
you see will trail and be like the very start
of the next movies. Like, it all does flow together
pretty well.
Speaker 1: So I remember seeing it in another movie and in
my head, I'm was like, especially after watching The Sister
Venturing Out and Knapsack, Yeah, I kind of think it
would have been better as a season of anime than
as three movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it all flows together so well with some stuff
setting up other things that it's one of those reasons, uh,
like I could see it being all movies. But at
the same time, it does flow fort pretty well together
as a as a season, right, Like, I think that
all could have very well been a season and probably
best to just treat it as one, right like, just
let it carry into the next because at the very
beginning of the Sister movie that we see that conversation
with Schocou kind of in the in the restaurant right
where they're kind of exploring that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, I also want to point out to the
boys in chat who were they made the Marcus made
the comment that he wasn't he cared more for struggle
than my and I just don't think that's anyway a reality.
We could remember our main protagonist. It also has his
own struggles. I feel like he does this thing of
self sacrifice for himself as well. And we haven't had
his arc I thine.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people like that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have little little bits of his development and
like his story, but for the most part, the first
season covered all these different girls and him helping them,
and the first movie stays on that note with Choco Tron,
and we his stuff within it, like his depression, his
like when he is my We got a bunch of
stuff that he goes through. Even when Kayde goes back
and gets her memories back, we get him going through things,
but we didn't get him actually dealing with his own syndrome,
his own development yet. So I think it's still a
very Obviously all these characters are flawed, but he hasn't
gotten to the point where I feel like he's at
that level to like make these bright choices, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you haven't watched the movies yet, that's
why when we're going to talk about here in a bit,
Knapsack Kid, I'd say that's the first one that kind
of focuses on him, probably more than anybody, right, Yeah,
So we could get a lot of that kind of
explained on his mentality and stuff. But yeah, it's it's
weird because it's not he doesn't really I do hear
that complain a lot throughout the entirety of the first season,
right he there's times where it doesn't feel like he's
prioritizing mine and the way that he should, and that's
definitely a character flaw. Like, you know, even helping out
his co high, he he does so in a way
that kind of puts mine in like a tough situation,
right like where I'm having to pretend to go out
with this girl, et cetera. All these things are gonna
be tough on her. Yeah, she's for powering through it,
but uh, at the same time, it's just him trying
to He doesn't care about himself enough, but he like,
if you see somebody that needs help, there's that type
of character that's going to try to make things better
for them, even at their own even with sacrificing themselves.
Speaker 1: Right. I see that it works though, because I feel
like the reason my fell in love with him to
begin with is that he is such a good person,
a self sacrificing person, putting other people first. I think
that's one of the reasons Mane loves him, So it'd
be victory and hypocritical for her to like once she's
going when he's going to help someone. Obviously, she has
her little bit of jealousy, she has her little like
emotional moments, but for the most part, she's okay with
so many things. She has this trust in him because
she knows, she knows he loves him, loves her, but
also she knows that he is doing this because he's
that's the type of person he is. He will pretend
to be in a relationship with a girl to help
her get over not just like just all to make
her look good, whatever, to help her get over her
own puberty syndrome that all of them went through. His
little sister has went through. I just and I think
that's part of the reason why she loves him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's part of the contradiction that usually embodies
a lot of stories like this, right, whether it's Momcitari
or gu or whatever. Is like, they're the type of
person that's nice enough to want to help out people,
and that's a charming feature in and of itself that
usually causes that attraction. But also they usually have to
end up kind of learning to love themselves a little
bit and cherish themselves and balance that, right, Like it's
all about balance.
Speaker 1: I do think that's what The Dreaming Girl and also
nats Up Kid is about, right.
Speaker 2: But I guess speaking about the Sister movie real quick,
because I don't know if we've yeah, I don't know
if we've talked about that one too, or did you
want to keep talking about.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm down to talk about Sister Venturing Out,
although we I feel like this one's only an hour
long and we kind of hopped about it a little
bit at the end of the series. It's really connected
with the end of the anime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is. For the most part. It's
kind of a boring movie, like a lot set up
as far as uh, just you know, her wanting to
kind of go to school and whatnot and having to
kind of deal with the psychological trauma of having been
bullied in those scars and whatnot and trying to overcome
that gradually bit by bit, step by step. I would
just say that this movie is a little bit different
and that it focuses on the different Kyata right where
she's suddenly has that two year gap in memory, right,
like mentally, like her last stuff that she like remembers
remembers was she was like thirteen and now she's fifteen,
having to apply to high school. She's two years behind,
like having to try to make up for that gap,
and then also just just having that social anxiety that
of not really being able to face certain social situations.
So we could see all that tackled here in that
in that second Sister movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so one big thing about this movie. This
is after she gets her her memories back, as you mentioned,
and our main character Sakuta has that mental breakdown. This
is after that happens. Obviously, the dreaming Girl stuff does
happen before this, but it's after the ending of that.
So it is the new Kayde like you mentioned. And
I think one big note here is at first she
wants to go to the school that her big brother
went to, but in the end she was able to
find like the self confidence and like to choose the
path that she wants and that's best for her that
no one else is making this decision for her, and
that's something that I did enjoy the actual character building.
She still struggled to go out. She struggled to do
all these things. She overcame these things. She studied so
hard she passed out in school. Like it was still
reminded me of the old Kaide where like her like
trauma was happening as she was trying to go to school,
this and that, and in the end she was able
to choose the best thing for her and and rebuild
her confidence. I don't know, I really liked it as
it was an hour right, Like it wasn't yeah.
Speaker 2: Something like that. Yeah, yeah, I think the biggest thing
for her and stuff was not only having to face
the past and like deal with those two years that
went missing and whatnot. But now she has those like
internalized self doubts of she has this diary from a
version of her that she doesn't remember, you know, and
you know, her brother kind of ran out and broke
down whenever that version disappeared. There's a part of her
that like wonders, did he love that version more? Did?
Like she's like almost trying to live through the dreams
of that Kayada by trying to get into his school.
And then it's only towards the end of the movie
that like she realizes, you know, there's no point like
trying to live out her dream, the other Kayde's dream,
like you got to do what's best for you and
what you were actually wanting to do. Right, So she
gets accepted into that school and she chooses, you know,
not to go right, like, she chooses to follow her
own path.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, she was able to accomplish getting into the
high school that they didn't think she was going to
be able to get into because she was not at
school for two years indoors. And then she chooses her
own thing, which I really liked. Yeah, and it does
kind of connect into the next movie as well, where
somehow something involving her, like her bruises, causes shifts in
timeline unless I'm completely misunderstanding it. And in this timeline,
her brother rescued her from being bullied at all. It
was like the ideal timeline where she was never bullied.
Where fucking like, I feel like I can't remember the
other things. There was just so many things that were
just like perfect about this time, Yeah, where like a
lot of trauma and Peberdy syndrome just never occurred.
Speaker 2: Talking about Napsack kid or whatever, it's like that kid. Yeah, Yeah,
So it's like certain things still occurred in a relatively
similar way as far as like he still was dating
my Like, yeah, you had to figure out like he
still had those connections with Noto and the Kohai and
Futaba and like, so certain things are the same. But yeah,
everything related to his sister and how his family situation
was handled went very very differently in that alternate reality, right,
Like he kind of explored those what ifs, and I
guess moving a little bit back to the start of
the movie, is it's one of those things where he's
never really quite faced that, right, And then he had
to grow up really quick. He had to kind of
be the man of the house that took care of
not only himself but his sister as well, and he
had to do that for two years, and his parents
weren't really in the picture. And then towards the start
of the movie, the thing that changes that is his mom,
who's been sick. You know, she had like a psychological
breakdown at like the at what the sister went through.
She wasn't early around. She was having to try to
get her stuff together, and she wants to see the sister.
Right at the start of the movie, and they go
to see the mom and that kind of launches the
hole the movie in a place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this new Kaida doesn't remember anything over those two years,
and now her and her mom are able to like
re kindle and get back to how things used to be.
And it just what type of emotions do you think
Sakuta was feeling?
Speaker 2: So the thing about him is I think he was
kind of had mixed emotions on it. He was a
lot less blaming of the parents than I think I
probably would have been in his shoes, because he did
have to grow up quick, right, he did have to
handle a lot of burdens. Yeah, Like he he was
the only thing that kind of that was like the
rock of like his sister's life that kind of kept
everything kind of remotely. Uh, I don't know that kid
had to grow up way too fast.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: He's sitting there working to to try to help get by. He's,
i said, taking care of both himself and her and
he's still in high school doing all this right, and
the parents that just kind of dipped out, You know,
they feel guilt for that, as they probably should, right,
But then there's also from his perspective, he he has
that mindset of like almost blaming himself and looking at
what he did wrong, and that he kind of disassociated
a little bit, like he knew he had to do
all this stuff without them, so he did. And then
like it was almost easier to pretend like they didn't exist, right,
that his mom wasn't also through stuff that he uh
like he kind of just pushed that aside and put
it like out of mind. And it's why it wasn't
a big, very big focus at the series up to
that point, because he just didn't really want to face
it or deal with it or or have that confrontation.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so even the first time he sees her stuff,
he doesn't really look her in the eye. He doesn't
it's been like two years, and he never went to
visit her once, right, like on what she was going
through or any any of that song.
Speaker 1: I think it was almost easy, easier for him to
think that they weren't the parents, weren't struggling and weren't trying,
and kind of just like isolate himself and do his
own thing. And then when he comes back to the
reality of his mom was hospitalized because he couldn't have
into what was going on, she was trying to like
better herself and like she was doing things, and I
feel like this created a little bit of a disconnect.
And then he went to that ideal life where everything
was like perfect, and then when he came back to
this reality, no one could see him with another thing.
He was going through the the the invisible my treatment.
Speaker 2: There's That's the sciencey thing, is that there's all these
different dimensions, you know, morty stuff, and it exists for
him because he was able to go go there, go back.
But but beyond all that, I think it all kind
of boils down to him being way too hard on himself.
You know, his hands were kind of full over the
course of the series, not only trying to help other people,
but like said, the kid had to grow up way
too fast. He was just kind of not really addressing
these things that were going on in his life, but
they were still happening and he was still having to
deal with it and it and the fact that his
mentality in that movie is what could I have done better?
What could I have like? How could how could I
have fixed this? Right?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: How that That's kind of what I feel like was
almost being addressed, was he was being hard on himself
there even at the start, and just uh, I don't
know he was he was looking to blame less externally,
and it's just.
Speaker 1: All I wish I understand. I feel like, out of
all the movies and all the episodes, I understood this
movie the least because there was internal stuff with Saputa,
But I didn't I feel I don't know if I
got confused with the timelines because he went to the
ideal timeline. I don't fully understand what he was struggling
with in that moment. Once things started to return to normal,
like once Kayde got her memories back, I understand that.
But once Kyde went to go reunite with her mother
and things were getting back to normal in a way,
what do you think he was struggling with there?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that there's some times where people find
solace and like maybe relying on others and the opposite
inverse can also be true. Right Like he you know,
he had to grow up quick, he had to be
that rock for his sister, and then I think there's
a part of him that like built his identity around
being that that rock of her life. Right like that,
he uh, he had these things that relied on him.
He felt like that was his place, like it gave
him purpose, A sense of purpose would be a good
way to put it. And then his parents are back
and Kayda's living with his parents and everything's kind of
dandy again, It's like, what purpose does he have now?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Well, where does he fit into the picture?
Speaker 1: I also think that what they were going for. I
think I just had like a little conneption with what
you were explaining. Yeah, so he isolated himself, like you said, right,
where like he kind of just took care of his sister,
did his own thing, and he didn't want to go
back to I feel like by going back to like
what's currently happening, like reality of like the mother and
the father and like dealing with his parents, it was
like almost like running to that alternate reality that was
like ideal was easier.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, exactly, avoid being.
Speaker 1: Mad at your parents, are confronting the situation or or
healing what happened in the past and moving forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I guess, just to add to that a
little bit, he he's done such are over the course
of the series. He's always been externally trying to help
other people more than he helped himself and not really
addressing his own issues. So it's as soon as those
other people, you know, mainly his sister, Like his sisters
relied on him a lot, and he's been that bedrock
and then suddenly whenever she doesn't have to rely on
him anymore. The I think there's a little bit there
as well of just trying to find his own place
in the world, because he hasn't addressed it for a
few years. Right, He's been so focused on helping other
people that he hasn't really looked at like what he
wants to do in the future where he wants to, yeah,
where he fits into the whole thing, right, Like to
do these other people need him? If not, what's the point, right,
So he has to kind of find that own reason
to move forward with may by the end, So.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, like he was word of whatever else,
he's not worried about himself or his own emotional healing
like his like you mentioned, like he would be like
we would be pissed at our parents if that happened
with us, right, Yeah, And I feel like he wasn't,
even though it's like okay for him to be mad.
I feel like he didn't. He wasn't dealing with his
own like emotional healing in a way, and he wasn't
even worried about his future, as he mentioned as well.
But one thing that I love is that in every timeline,
I feel like my was kind of his anchor, right,
Like she remembered him every time, but like the same
way he remembered her in those first three episodes, with
a nice little connection there. And then we move forward
with him and her kind of like working on their futures,
working on like what university they're going to go do,
which was nice as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's their relationships so sweet, and yeah, I guess
it's almost like there's two things going on in parallel there, right,
because I guess what I said and what you said
maybe don't go completely hand in hand, but I think
they were both happening. Like he's dealing with all that
about needing to be the anchor, and then also you know,
actually just escaping from like the reality of the situation
by imagining if everything was perfect right, and it cracked
me up, like the other version of himself, I guess
also swapped. He's like, get your shit together, man, what
is going on over here?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, crazy, You're absolutely right. I feel like he
was the anchor for so many people. But now that
he's going through something and he went to that ideal
timeline and a bunch of things. I like the fact
that my still was able to be there.
Speaker 2: He was able to kind of lean on as well. Right,
we all need to lean on at.
Speaker 1: Times, right, I think both can be true. Jordan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a It was a good movie. I
like Napsack Kid way better than I thought I would
because so every every arc does a good job of
building up to the next, but like this one was
just a long time coming, right with him being the
main character, like us getting tippets and snid bits uh
throughout the series up to this point and then finally
like it's just kind of addressing some of the stuff
going on with him psychologically, emotionally, et cetera. Right, good movie, solid.
Speaker 1: I think the Sister Venturing Out movie was my least favorite,
but it was still good.
Speaker 2: It was just how dare you all? Kaye is a gym? Okay,
she's I.
Speaker 1: Saw the last the first season with Kaye. The last
three gap of the first season great because that's the
Kaydi that we got to meet for twelve episodes versus
just like with Sakuta, this new Kayde didn't feel like Kayde.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I will say the Sister movie was one I
enjoyed the ending and conclusion of, probably more than the
journey of the movie itself, because it is kind of
a almost like, I don't want to say, a nothing movie,
but there is just a lot of montages things are happening,
but it's not really anything too crazy, right, Like it's
just her trying to prepare for school and try to
improve herself and stuff. So it's not really like an
exciting movie in the same way like Dreaming of dreaming
of a dreaming girl would be or or naps out Kids.
Speaker 1: Man, there's too many different like timelines and stuff going
on that it's hard for me to remember talking about that.
We're talking about that last movie, and I was saying
a bunch of things that I remember having these like
feelings of, but I feel like it wasn't like meshing.
I literally is super quick red a synopsis of the
third movie, and I'm like, oh my god, I remember
it all now, and I was able to give like
my actual opinions on like and then connect things properly.
I couldn't remember the order of events. There's too many
fucking future show coach on and two different Kay days,
and he goes to a perfect reality, and then there's
this reality and then that reality. Nothing feels linear in
any way, and nothing really is linear in the show
because there's so many things that technically happened that never happened.
Speaker 2: It never happened. Yeah, and that's why I feel like
it's one of my biggest critiques of the show. But
I feel like I enjoy it more having fun with it,
not overthinking that stuff, and just looking at more of
what it's supposed to represent, right or like what they're
trying to say, because at the end of the day,
this whole series is about symbolism with like uh or
in metaphors as far as like there things they're going
through or taking that physical manifestation, and right, like those
things that are happening are representative of the character's emotions.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's true. I like the fact that I
think I appreciate it more this time because I didn't
care about the science and I didn't I just try
to enjoy what was happening for what was happening, But
it's not one of those series upon rewatch that it
makes more sense because it doesn't, like you want Steinsgate
and you realize every single thing that happened influences and
has the butterfly effect, and it's all laid out like
you could, like like everything connects so perfectly because when
he works the way backwards throughout time, it's like, actually,
thought of versus this is not linear. It makes no sense,
but it's still good in its own way because it's supernatural,
so you can just say whatever the fuck you want,
and that's reality.
Speaker 2: Time travel stuff is hard to do, and I feel
like usually I'm a big critic of it. I don't
really usually like it. And the only series I can
really think of anime wise that I love our Steinsgate
and like HARROVII Suzumiya that that tackles similar type stuff, right,
I can't think of any others off the top of
my head that do it well. This is one where
it kind of tackles it in its own way where
it doesn't even try to make it doesn't even try it.
It's like, yeah, it's uh. It doesn't try to tie
it together. It's kind of explains it with some of
those over broad scientific theories, right, so you just.
Speaker 1: Gonna I think they also try to explain it in
a way where it's like, because future Kayite is like this,
all those things won't have happened, but they still end
up happening. In relationships will happen in a different way
like my end Soka end up getting together regardless of
some whatever.
Speaker 2: Right, some things are to be.
Speaker 1: I feel like they made it make sense without having
to have everything line up perfectly, just through like a
small supernatural explanation. It's like, because this is the future version,
blah blah blah blah blah blah, there's your answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't say the series doesn't make sense like
it makes sense. It's it makes it very well, but
it's uh, it's one where it's like it's not worth
giving yourself a headache trying to over understand every scientific thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't like draw you can't draw out the
different timelines and see where it connects and things like
that perfectly because they give explanations for things and then
that's just the way it is in this world with
these supernatural syndromes happening.
Speaker 2: Speaking of how it connects, have you tried out the
Santa Claus anime at all yet or have you gone?
Speaker 1: I was gonna suggest that for next week as my
pick because I think there's three episodes out.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. We can do. We could just
do two picks and give them the the recon if
you want.
Speaker 1: So, continue watching Brazik where he's gonna watch Bunny Girls
and Pie three episodes and then one more thing.
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna spoil the the new season of
bunny Girl for you because I'm only two episodes in myself,
but I will say the Sister movie, I hope you
paid attention to it because it does end up being important. Right,
everything carries on into the.
Speaker 1: Next I have such a bad memory, I need to
like use another like dude. I rewatch shows, rewatch shows,
rewatch shows. And I still need to read a synopsis
before doing these podcasts because my brain is all over
the place. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: We cover a lot of different media, right, so like
it's under more so than med Right, it's understandable. That's
what I said. I could not have jumped into these
movies without rewatching bunny Girl, SEMPI the first season, and
that's why I felt like we needed to maybe at
least cover that first season a little bit, like jostle
people's memories a bit if they feel they need it.
Speaker 1: To the people in chat that complain, and I don't
get through all the shows that I'm supposed to get through,
You've got to realize that I'm watching sometimes three different
three episode shows for RANKFA, I'm watching a whole season
of something for anime virgin usually, and I'm watching usually
an arc of one Piece every two weeks for the
anime for the one Piece Virgin, while reading the manga,
while staying up to date with seasonals for the streams,
while watching your picks. Like, dude, I'm watching fifty plus
episodes of anime a week. My brain's everywhere, and there's
no week I could get it all done all the time.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a lot. It's a lot. And then meanwhile,
this man will be like, hey, can you watch Bunny
Girl SIMPI like those movies, and I'll be like, I
need two weeks for that. Like it's a lot.
Speaker 1: So it's very usually schedule. On top of that, like,
I'm a full time content creator for like the most part,
but I'm also like, do side jobs just to keep
being able to be a focal content creator. So I'm
doing like hockey training and tutoring and this, and then
and summer I'm touching ice and sand.
Speaker 2: You know, That's what when people keep up with every
seasonal show and stuff. I'm like, I don't know how
you do it. I guess it's like you, I work
full time and whatnot, And afterwards, like I can watch
a few shows, but all of them, that's all. It's
a lot.
Speaker 1: And then I get addicted to Apex again, and it's
all over. The second I started playing Apex, like more
than once a week, I fall behind on everything in
my life.
Speaker 2: I feel you there, I feel you. It's so easy
to fall into that rabbit hole. I haven't touched Apex
in a few months, and granted I've been watching anime instead,
so it's not like I've had more free times. But
like trying to do a switch.
Speaker 1: Up, yeah, it's hard to do both. It really is
hard to do both. So what do we want to
do for our third anime choice?
Speaker 2: So what I had in mind was a seasonal that
you didn't get to try that I'm only going to
have a few episode or it's only gonna have like
six episodes total, but it's been one of the most
popular series coming out recently. It's very high quality. Yeah,
so it's gonna be six episodes. By the end of
next week, it'll it'll be finished. And it's called Takopi's
Original Sin. So it's one I I brought up. It's
uh six episodes, very uh emotionally taxing at times. I've
been trying to dodge spoilers, like I have observation on
hot on Twitter, but it's been a hot topic. So
this is the one I want to make sure I
actually finished before for the end of season sick.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm done. What's it called to Kope's Original Sin?
Speaker 2: Yeah, to Kopy's Original Sin.
Speaker 1: To watch that, we're to watch the new three upode
of the Bunny Gill Sampi and I don't know, maybe
we don't do berserk. I think I need to request
something from my long list of anime that I need
to watch, like a double dip. Maybe here a little
bit for me.
Speaker 2: You need to send me that list because I might
have a few things I've been dying to recommend that
that overlap with it.
Speaker 1: But hmmm, I don't have to.
Speaker 2: I just want to finish. I gotta make the time.
Speaker 1: I don't know which one to cover. What should we do?
There's so many options, so I started reading them. When
you choose Jordan, Yeah, yeah, okay. We have Don Mantree
season five, which I don't know if you guys are
caught up, so maybe we won't do that. Uh. Eight
episodes of Shinseka Yori uh Boucie Geary episode one Sue
Bossa Chronicle. Don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: I like chronicle. I never finished that one, but I
saw at least the first couple episodes like way back when,
like as a teenager.
Speaker 1: So I say we Doubossa Chronicles.
Speaker 2: Chronicles, Okay, sounds good to me because other ones I'm
not familiar with. They sound familiar, but I'm awful with
sometimes these newer anime Japanese names, I'm just sick.
Speaker 1: Going together sounds good to me. My friend. On that note,
we're all over an hour fifteen of the podcast. I
think we call it there, all right, Yeah, we're good.
Ideally I would like to do them for an hour.
They just often end up being forty five minutes.
Speaker 2: But this was a lot of kind of perfect right.
Speaker 1: We didn't even cover panteon stalking. I just realized that, yeah, happened,
but we can't. But it is just a Bunny Girl
SEMPI episode. We could throw our opinion of panteon stalking
into the next episode.
Speaker 2: Sounds good, we need extra time.
Speaker 1: We definitely don't need extra time here. We're at an
hour fifteen.
Speaker 2: That sounds good. An hour fifteen with only two people's
impressed them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did a good job. We yapped it up.
We yapped it up, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, soo much of times.
Speaker 1: I love buddy. I hope that we made sense. Guys,
we were a little all over the place. Jordan was
more concise with what he was saying. I feel like
my brain was all over the place a little bit,
as is Bunny Girls. I was dealing with my own
puberty syndrome at twenty eight. God damn it, it was fitting.
Speaker 2: It was. I will say the thing about the newer
season in college, right, So it's like we're dealing with
puberty syndrome. I think, I say, I haven't seen it
again yet, But they grow up, right, This series is
about growing up and we're seeing that happen.
Speaker 1: So it's always cool having a series grow up with
you in a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love it when series do that. It's one
of my guilty pleasures.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I hope you guys enjoyed. Remember to check out
the Anime Dude. He does his watch parties on Twitch
for the anime we cover every week. I do that
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listening in and what your thoughts are and what you
guys want us to cover next. Stuff like that. Shimpoku
and I'll see you guys all next time.
Speaker 2: Later