Speaker 1: Get ready.
Speaker 2: May one, twenty twenty five, allegedly, according to that thing
Speaker 2: we call a calendar. This is the O'Kelly effect because
Speaker 2: you heard the intro if you just tuned in, then again,
Speaker 2: who knows it's a podcast, it's a live stream. It
Speaker 2: repeats up from time to time. And May the fourth
Speaker 2: be with you. No, we're not at Star Wars Day
Speaker 2: just yet? Is it May Day? Are we going down?
Speaker 2: I guess we'll have to see. Look who do I
Speaker 2: got with me tonight? DJ Thermal Detonator, Yeah, might recognize
Speaker 2: that Twitter handle and we're gonna talk to him tonight
Speaker 2: and get his impressions on the latest in the clown
Speaker 2: show of news that is couple updates real fast. I
Speaker 2: think the guy who contacted me claiming to be Elon
Speaker 2: Musk is not Elon Musk. I've come to that conclusion,
Speaker 2: even though I played that audio pie you guys last
Speaker 2: night and it seemed almost legit. But he's a little
Speaker 2: too anxious for me to invest in Tesla stock. So
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, even though I did establish a signal app
Speaker 2: presence and all that, I got a count there, and
Speaker 2: I'll include that in the show notes. You guys will
Speaker 2: be able to get in touch with me on signal
Speaker 2: now because I figure if it's good enough for Pete Hegseth,
Speaker 2: it's good enough for me, and so it'll be there.
Speaker 2: I'm Ocelli dot o'helly effect dot thirteen or something because
Speaker 2: they have to give you a number on there along
Speaker 2: with your name. It's kind of like a government thing
Speaker 2: when they lock you in prison. Anyway, drawing no conclusions,
Speaker 2: but how about the news and before we go there,
Speaker 2: my man DJ Thermal Detonator, hell of a name. I've
Speaker 2: always said, loved the Twitter account alone. But you got
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff going on YouTube channel. You know,
Speaker 2: you're on Rumble, You're in a bunch of places. There
Speaker 2: will be links in the show notes guys for you
Speaker 2: to get a hold of this guy and see his work.
Speaker 2: But first of all, in case people forgot, because it's
Speaker 2: been a while since you've been on how you doing
Speaker 2: and reintroduce yourself, you don't mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, how you doing?
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, my name is Nelson. That's Nelson Martin's is
Speaker 4: my real name, but I go by I go by
Speaker 4: my DJ name because that's kind of like what I started. Well,
Speaker 4: I've always used it online, you know, as an actual
Speaker 4: goth industrial DJ from LA and I just kind of
Speaker 4: used it when I've became a nine to eleven truth activists,
Speaker 4: you know, mostly involved with We Are Change LA, like
Speaker 4: back starting like two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,
Speaker 4: and uh that's kind of like where I started as
Speaker 4: far as uh my, I guess political awakening activism, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean obviously, you know, I definitely was in very
Speaker 4: much into nine to eleven truth. You know, I still
Speaker 4: say am somewhat, but I kind of like more moved
Speaker 4: along the lines of being a nine to eleven skeptic,
Speaker 4: and I basically put out my own films now on
Speaker 4: my channel, and I also periodically write articles related to
Speaker 4: nine to eleven and you know, things within that nature.
Speaker 2: Hey, look an offer straight to you verbally right now.
Speaker 2: You know, I got this new thing I'm calling the
Speaker 2: Weekly Reader on the front page of my website, and
Speaker 2: various authors are going to contribute to it. If you
Speaker 2: ever feel like, you know, throwing me a couple of original,
Speaker 2: you know, paragraphs about nine to eleven, some photographs, whatever,
Speaker 2: you can link to your work your articles promote what
Speaker 2: you want on it. But if you ever feel like
Speaker 2: giving me a unique article that you figure nobody else
Speaker 2: in the world would publish outside of your own substack,
Speaker 2: by all means, send it my way and we'll see
Speaker 2: if we can publish it on the front page here,
Speaker 2: because I don't yet have a resident nine to eleven
Speaker 2: skeptic among the people that are going to or at
Speaker 2: least promising me to submit articles, and some that have already,
Speaker 2: and I've only just launched it as of what April
Speaker 2: thirty or April twenty nine, something like that, But I've
Speaker 2: got it in the works where a couple articles a
Speaker 2: week are going to come out of there, and it'll
Speaker 2: be stuff that you will not see elsewhere. So if
Speaker 2: you feel like contributing, let me know. And all anybody
Speaker 2: has to do, even you listening out there, I'm taking
Speaker 2: stuff from everybody. I'm not publishing everything. I've already rejected
Speaker 2: about seventy five percent of what's been sent to me.
Speaker 2: But if you send me something unique that has some
Speaker 2: rarefied information, more than happy to work with you on it.
Speaker 2: Info at ochelly dot com. That's the mail address for that,
Speaker 2: and I'll be more than happy to look it over
Speaker 2: work with you. And I'm still waiting on revisions from
Speaker 2: a couple of people. So as soon as you guys
Speaker 2: get those to me, we'll get those published. And looking
Speaker 2: forward to doing that. But just a personal offer to you,
Speaker 2: I'd love to have you even write one article for
Speaker 2: me along the way. But I'm hoping to keep this
Speaker 2: running for a while.
Speaker 4: Sure that sounds good, I mean, technically if you're bringing
Speaker 4: up authors, I mean, I am also working on a book.
Speaker 4: I've been I have been with my friend Sean Russell
Speaker 4: for about three years. We're writing a book about Nick Berg,
Speaker 4: the guy that was beheaded in Iraq back in two
Speaker 4: thousand and four.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there's a whole big mystery and there's actually
Speaker 4: links to nine to eleven related to him.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I have.
Speaker 2: Heard that before. And I'll tell you something else. The
Speaker 2: most fascinating story about beheadings ever on this show was
Speaker 2: Robbie Martin coming on here and talking about that. You
Speaker 2: ever heard that story?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was specifically doing something like mimicking more. He
Speaker 4: put out a beheading video and like, in response to
Speaker 4: Nick Bird's beheading, naturally, well.
Speaker 2: Here and his friends, Yeah, him and his friends put
Speaker 2: out a you know, before the age of deep fakes. Okay,
Speaker 2: put out a fake hip beheading video and they put
Speaker 2: it out there as a joke, and this thing got
Speaker 2: you know, passed along in the file sharing you know,
Speaker 2: the P two P file sharing era was then you
Speaker 2: know what was it Limelight And of course Napster had
Speaker 2: died in court, but there were plenty of bootleg sites
Speaker 2: out there where people were sharing things they shouldn't share,
Speaker 2: and also lots of information nine to eleven footage, you
Speaker 2: name it. Plus of course music was being shared on
Speaker 2: these file sharing sites and their stuff went so wide
Speaker 2: that the FEDS came and kicked in their door over.
Speaker 4: Video about it. Yeah, yeah, it was all over. I
Speaker 4: mean they got full blown mainstream news coverage over it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean look, and all I can do is
Speaker 2: a laugh and B congratulate them for doing that. I
Speaker 2: don't know what the headaches like afterwards. But you know,
Speaker 2: when you get the serious law enforcements attention over something
Speaker 2: that you're you know, doing in a theatrical way, you
Speaker 2: might have just made an interesting point, That's all I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: so any wait, look, make it interesting points is part
Speaker 2: of what we do on here. And oh, one last
Speaker 2: other note to catch people up is not only am
Speaker 2: I continuing that front page thing, but also want to
Speaker 2: let listeners know that, yes, indeed, I do have that
Speaker 2: signal app deal and I'm still looking into a nature
Speaker 2: boy's evil twin. But to be continued. And of course
Speaker 2: we'll talk about anything you want on the Friday night
Speaker 2: open mic tomorrow night. So but tonight I've got you
Speaker 2: with me, so I want to get your impressions on
Speaker 2: I don't know, some headlines, some happenings, and maybe some
Speaker 2: audio clips. Maybe we'll take a break after that and
Speaker 2: get deep into your work. Sound good to you?
Speaker 3: Sounds good to me?
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's start with the dance itself. Mike Waltz, No,
Speaker 2: I'm not being ironic, It's not a dad joke, but
Speaker 2: what the hell? Anyway, his national security advisor Trump, that
Speaker 2: is his national security advisor changing jobs. I guess now
Speaker 2: going to be theasst or to the UN. But what
Speaker 2: I find more fascinating is now Mark Rubio becomes Henry
Speaker 2: Kissinger two point zero because last person I knew that
Speaker 2: held those two jobs that Rubio is now going to
Speaker 2: have to hold down While Waltz dances on over to
Speaker 2: New York City. Anyway, Yeah, you know, here we go,
Speaker 2: He's going to have to go over there. He was
Speaker 2: part of the signal chat. I find the intrigue interesting
Speaker 2: that Trump didn't want to fire him in the first
Speaker 2: hundred days, to not give a victory to his critics.
Speaker 2: But then again, he spends a lot of time battling
Speaker 2: his critics. You got any thoughts on this or do
Speaker 2: you want to pass on this story?
Speaker 4: I mean, I will pass. You're probably no more more knowledgeable.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know, Rubio is I don't. I don't
Speaker 4: like a lot of the people that you know, Trump
Speaker 4: has appointed. You know, I have, you know, some serious
Speaker 4: problems with that. But no, it's not necessarily good.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, and look, you know, it's kind of fascinating
Speaker 2: because uh well look you know Trump. Trump is really
Speaker 2: I don't know, eternally fascinating as a figure who has
Speaker 2: somehow ended up in the White House. I mean, I
Speaker 2: find this to be a weird alternate reality because I
Speaker 2: grew up in New Jersey and New York, primarily New Jersey,
Speaker 2: but either way, had interactions with people in Trump in
Speaker 2: the Trumpet sphere quite often, even shook his hand at
Speaker 2: one point, you know, and this is pre presidential days,
Speaker 2: of course, sure, But the point is that, you know,
Speaker 2: because I got in. I had a friend A short story.
Speaker 2: I had a friend who worked security for everything on
Speaker 2: the Jersey short because he was that kind of tough guy,
Speaker 2: and he got me in when the WWE was doing
Speaker 2: like a Body World bodybuilding thing, and they did it
Speaker 2: at Trump Plaza. So I ended up in a special
Speaker 2: room with VIPs where no press was allowed, and Trump
Speaker 2: walked through the room shaking hands. I told the story
Speaker 2: in depth before, but that's about the long and the
Speaker 2: short of it. And I got to tell you, I
Speaker 2: have no use for this guy and can't figure out
Speaker 2: how it is they took the real estate hustler from
Speaker 2: Queens who was really after his own publicity constantly in
Speaker 2: the New York, New Jersey, you know, the tri state area.
Speaker 2: How he got taken seriously enough to now be the
Speaker 2: chief executive of the country. To me, it's astounding, just
Speaker 2: that alone. And I've been astounded for the past decade.
Speaker 4: Sorry, good, no, no, no, I mean I've been shocked.
Speaker 4: I mean I wasn't too wasn't so confident that he
Speaker 4: was going to win the second one. I mean I
Speaker 4: wasn't confident the first time that he won either. You know,
Speaker 4: it's just I know, it just to me, you know,
Speaker 4: it's just the capitalizing on conspiracy theories, and you know,
Speaker 4: you know, unfortunately, his appearance on Als Jones, you know,
Speaker 4: got him a lot of support, and I think, well.
Speaker 2: Not only his appearance there, but don't forget he had
Speaker 2: campaign management staff that was deeply entrenched in that world.
Speaker 2: Roger Stone, who was also been a guest on my show,
Speaker 2: who told me I'm a big fan of your show actually,
Speaker 2: which was funny to me because he wasn't a big fan,
Speaker 2: but he had people analyzing me back in twenty fourteen
Speaker 2: because he was doing projects for Trump. Anyway, The thing is,
Speaker 2: Roger Stone is the guy who says, you know, unequivocally,
Speaker 2: even though his evidence is bad, that LBJ is responsible
Speaker 2: for the assassination of JFK. Anyway, but that's one of
Speaker 2: his guys, and Roger Stone is one of his friends.
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, don't forget that he was
Speaker 2: also mentored by another guy who was sort of a muckrakers,
Speaker 2: sort of greasy character in the underworld. All the way
Speaker 2: back in the day, there was a lawyer you know
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about here. Yes, that's right,
Speaker 2: Citizen Cone. By the way, I advise if you can
Speaker 2: dig up that old HBO special and watch it. They
Speaker 2: made a movie about his life, which is pretty haunting
Speaker 2: and strange, but even stranger. Lately, I got another question
Speaker 2: for you, because again nine to eleven truth, watching it
Speaker 2: get hijacked and all that, it's definitely probably molded your
Speaker 2: views somewhat over the past few years. But I noticed
Speaker 2: a weirdness this week that I don't think a lot
Speaker 2: of people appreciate so much. The MS thirteen tattoos issue.
Speaker 2: Have you seen anything about this?
Speaker 4: No, just the one guy that they sent back, which
Speaker 4: I can't even I mean, I haven't been keeping up
Speaker 4: with everything. I'm busy with writing and doing my own
Speaker 4: these sorts of stuff, but I keep up somewhat with
Speaker 4: the news. But yeah, I only saw the like the hands,
Speaker 4: I guess the fingers were tattooed.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, See, part of my job is I got to
Speaker 2: keep track of news. So Albrao Garcia, right, this guy
Speaker 2: kill mar Albrao Garcia. That guy in his hand, and
Speaker 2: he's got MS thirteen on his hand, according to Trump.
Speaker 2: But here's what's not realized or acknowledged by this administration,
Speaker 2: which is funny. They basically meant to say that the
Speaker 2: symbols on his hand stand for MS thirteen, which is
Speaker 2: Morris Salvatrucca. It's a paramilitary organization then morphed into one
Speaker 2: of the most violent and dangerous street gangs in the world. Okay,
Speaker 2: they're saying that he's a member of that. They also
Speaker 2: said he was a member of another gang. He's never
Speaker 2: been found to be a member of that or anything,
Speaker 2: but they say these tattoos mean that. And then he
Speaker 2: did an interview this week and look, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: play some of the audio, but an ABC reporter confronts
Speaker 2: Trump on it, and I listen to how you won't
Speaker 2: let go of this idea that the guy literally had
Speaker 2: MS thirteen on his hand, when meanwhile, the MS thirteen
Speaker 2: was clearly photoshop added to state that, yeah, if you
Speaker 2: take a look at the picture, I mean, dude, I
Speaker 2: know I'm the blind JFK researcher and I'm legally blind
Speaker 2: at all, but I know what photoshop looks like. Dements. Look,
Speaker 2: it's on the wrong plane. It's clearly added. But the
Speaker 2: idea was. They were trying to say, it's meant to symbolize. Now,
Speaker 2: does Trump not realize that this was meant to be
Speaker 2: an illustration to say that these symbols below the letters
Speaker 2: and numbers mean this, or is he lying about it
Speaker 2: and he knows about it? Because there's only two conclusions
Speaker 2: you can come to. And it's a weird thing. Listen
Speaker 2: to this piece of this interview and see if it
Speaker 2: strikes you the same way it struck me talking about this.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a member of a gang. And then they
Speaker 3: looked and on his knuckles, he had.
Speaker 1: A minute, he had MS thirteen.
Speaker 2: We had some tattoos that are interpreted that way.
Speaker 1: But let's move on.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now this is I got this clip from the
Speaker 2: Daily Show where they played part of the ABC thing.
Speaker 2: It's really funny because the reporter is effectively trying to say, look,
Speaker 2: it's it's a little bit of a dispute here because
Speaker 2: some people are saying the tattoos mean this, because tattoos
Speaker 2: mean something, and I've got a few, you know, just
Speaker 2: saying and I know they mean something. And there are
Speaker 2: ways to interpret stuff. Certain people in certain gangs, certain subcultures,
Speaker 2: wear certain tattoos, and most of you don't know anything
Speaker 2: about it. You know, from the Asian tattoo language that's
Speaker 2: out there, you know, regarding the Triads and the Yakuza,
Speaker 2: all the way to various other underworld groups that have
Speaker 2: tattoos that have meaning that you know, gets you passes
Speaker 2: or get you killed depending on what prison you're in,
Speaker 2: and also you know, might be signals to certain outlaw bikers,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. There is a whole subculture and
Speaker 2: language to the ink on the flesh. Okay, but anyway,
Speaker 2: what's fascinating to me is Trump's saying no, literally there's
Speaker 2: an MS and a thirteen on his hand, and the
Speaker 2: reporters trying to say, look, let's agree to disagree and
Speaker 2: move on to something else because it's an interpretation, and
Speaker 2: he's like, no, it's literally there. But anyway, let's continue
Speaker 2: to listen to the clip real quick, and we also
Speaker 2: have the commentary of Desi Leiadak. Again. I'll give you
Speaker 2: guys the link to this so you can check out
Speaker 2: the whole segment if you want. But I'm only going
Speaker 2: to play another quick portion over here.
Speaker 5: Okay, let me just explain what's going on. Here, Garcia
Speaker 5: has tattoos on his hand, and someone labeled a photo
Speaker 5: of them, trying to prove that they're actually a code.
Speaker 5: The problem is Trump thinks that the labels are part
Speaker 5: of the tattoo, and he is very very insistent on it.
Speaker 3: Let's move on.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I will tear it terary. He did
Speaker 2: not have the letter MS one. It is this MS
Speaker 2: one three. That was photoshop.
Speaker 3: Do you want me to show you the picture?
Speaker 2: I saw the picture. We'll let you here, we go, here,
Speaker 2: we go photoshop, but go look at his hand.
Speaker 1: He amista.
Speaker 6: If you did have tattoos that can be interpreted that way,
Speaker 6: I'm not an expert on them.
Speaker 2: I want to turn to Ukraine, want.
Speaker 7: To get no, he ad ms as clear as you conveyed.
Speaker 3: I'm not interpreted.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is going on. The reporters going listen.
Speaker 2: We could argue about this, but let's not. Come on.
Speaker 2: It was photoshop, and Trump literally says to him during
Speaker 2: this exchange. Nobody picked up on this. You don't have
Speaker 2: to photoshop it, like as if that's an action you take,
Speaker 2: Like he's gonna photoshop it. No, he's telling you it's
Speaker 2: been photoshopped. As a verb like it's been manipulate. This
Speaker 2: whole exchange is so funny because it's it is the
Speaker 2: old man who doesn't necessarily know what he's talking about,
Speaker 2: but insists you knows somebody's talking about and this is
Speaker 2: the president of the United States, Jesus. So were we
Speaker 2: better off with the guy mumbling of a big green
Speaker 2: and I don't know and I'm gonna kill medicure? Were
Speaker 2: we better off with that guy or this guy? And
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter? Is my ultimate question. But let's listen
Speaker 2: to Desi Lightek for a couple more seconds, and maybe
Speaker 2: this exchange with the reporter because he won't let go
Speaker 2: of this. He's about ready to call this guy fake
Speaker 2: news and everything that you're doing terrible things. You know
Speaker 2: what you need to be illegal? You need because he
Speaker 2: says this about reporters and agencies, they need to have
Speaker 2: their license taken away. Even though there's no license for news,
Speaker 2: there's license for broadcasting. But anyway, it's a whole confusing
Speaker 2: thing when you try to unpack the specifics behind Trump.
Speaker 2: But the weird thing is, if you're a true believer,
Speaker 2: you don't care he's right anyway, even if he's wrong.
Speaker 2: He's right, yeah, which is hilarious. Anyway, let's just catch
Speaker 2: a little more. If he's wrong, he's right, and if
Speaker 2: he's right, he's wrong, and Trump is always right. Anyway,
Speaker 2: let's just do that for a couple more seconds before
Speaker 2: we move on to something else.
Speaker 5: Now I understand why he's so proud of that Golf
Speaker 5: of America poster. He thinks Golf of America has actually
Speaker 5: written on top of the water.
Speaker 2: See, it does make sense, Daisy, And I gotta tell
Speaker 2: you that's only how else do you interpret it? Either
Speaker 2: he doesn't know, and he's ignorant of the idea that
Speaker 2: somebody added that to the picture. Okay, because that's a
Speaker 2: miracle of photoshop that he doesn't understand. You understands, Sharpy,
Speaker 2: But he doesn't understand photoshop. And perhaps he does think
Speaker 2: that literally, you have to write on the water Gulf
Speaker 2: of American, big giant letters that you can see from space.
Speaker 2: So you know, maybe that that's it. Maybe that's how
Speaker 2: it all makes sense. You got any comments for me?
Speaker 3: No, I just haven't seen. I mean, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't doubt it that it's photoshop. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: just it'sis. Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty sad.
Speaker 2: You go ahead and take a look at the pictures
Speaker 2: afterwards if you like, I mean, anything you want to
Speaker 2: catch up on, will do that, because there's a lot
Speaker 2: more to get to when it comes to Trump and
Speaker 2: the rest of this stuff. I mean, indeed, this week
Speaker 2: they've talked about, you know, again with deportations and do
Speaker 2: you want to keep gang members in this country? I
Speaker 2: don't think so. What you want to keep these violent,
Speaker 2: terrible people here. You know what, if they're bad people
Speaker 2: and they're even here, will deport them. Now, people say
Speaker 2: he just says that stuff, but do you realize he's
Speaker 2: saying it doesn't matter if you're a citizen, will deport
Speaker 2: you too, because he wants to find a way to
Speaker 2: do that. And in Congress this week, they're literally edging
Speaker 2: toward that, you know, passing laws that are going to say,
Speaker 2: you know what, it's okay. And this goes back to
Speaker 2: an old problem when Bush started declaring, well, this person's
Speaker 2: a terrorist, and this person's a terrorist, and by the way,
Speaker 2: I'm not partisan here because Obama turned around and did
Speaker 2: what extra judicial execution, murdered a US citizen with a
Speaker 2: drone strike because he said he was a terrorist. Now
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he was or wasn't. All I'm saying
Speaker 2: is no due process for the US citizen. He's over there,
Speaker 2: enemy combatant, terrorist, therefore eligible to be what an enemy
Speaker 2: that is to be struck. I'm just trying to say,
Speaker 2: when you go along with these things, you never know
Speaker 2: how it might turn out. Don't forget. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of people that have the words domestic terrorists written somewhere
Speaker 2: in their FBI files, and me personally, I happen to
Speaker 2: know I have a subversive file with the FBI. So
Speaker 2: if a drone accidentally strikes my house one day, I
Speaker 2: hope somebody remembers that I wasn't an enemy of the state,
Speaker 2: even though I was a critic. But who knows, Maybe
Speaker 2: it'll all be okay, because screw him. He needed to
Speaker 2: die anyway, because he wasn't with us. He was with
Speaker 2: the terrorists, as they used to say. Anyway, that's my
Speaker 2: consideration on it. But let's move away from Trump and
Speaker 2: at least get to his what seemed like was his
Speaker 2: second in command, Elon Musk, and I talked about him earlier.
Speaker 2: You don't know the story yet, but a guy on
Speaker 2: X reach out to me and basically said, I'm actually
Speaker 2: Elon Musk with a secret ready for that, a secret account,
Speaker 2: and I talk to my fans now and then, and
Speaker 2: I'm giving you the privilege of contact with me. So
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting. And I know on occasion
Speaker 2: ultra rich people do stuff like this. But also I'm
Speaker 2: aware of all the fakery and all of the catfishing
Speaker 2: they used to call it, that people have done. You know, Oh,
Speaker 2: I think I'm talking to a hot chicken Montana and
Speaker 2: it's actually a dude in uh, you know, Uzbekistan trying
Speaker 2: to convince me to send him money. Yeah, we know
Speaker 2: those stories. And of course the prince from what country
Speaker 2: is that again where they always send Oh, the prince
Speaker 2: needs five grand to release millions of dollars. The prince
Speaker 2: of one of those African countries you know sends out
Speaker 2: Yeah badly, badly? Was it Zayir? I don't know, It
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. The point is a guy says I need
Speaker 2: five grand. If you send it to me, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: pay you back richly and hook me up. And it's
Speaker 2: in bad English and a lot of people have done
Speaker 2: it oddly enough over the years. But so I'm fully
Speaker 2: aware of those scams online hookers, you know that are
Speaker 2: out there and do their thing. You know what I
Speaker 2: mean by online hookers.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, Yeah, there's bots, whore bots or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 3: well they.
Speaker 2: Might be bots, But it used to be that a
Speaker 2: woman would actually be on the other side of an
Speaker 2: account somewhere and a cam, you know, a webcam, and
Speaker 2: be like, what do you want to see me do
Speaker 2: for one hundred dollars? Send me the one hundred dollars
Speaker 2: and I'll do it. And people would do that stuff,
Speaker 2: and then they'd build relationships with these girls and next
Speaker 2: thing you know is you're furnishing their apartment and whatever
Speaker 2: in whatever country they live in, allegedly, but it turns
Speaker 2: out it's not really the girl, and she's, you know,
Speaker 2: somebody who made videos for somebody else, and the guy
Speaker 2: has a library and he's reselling them to you, and
Speaker 2: he accidentally calls you Bill or she does actually during
Speaker 2: the video because he forgot to cut that out. You
Speaker 2: know that happens. And even Skype Horse used to approach me. Hello,
Speaker 2: I'm twenty four years old female, I just finished university.
Speaker 2: They always started with I'm lonely. You look like a
Speaker 2: nice guy, Yeah, and I never engaged with him. I
Speaker 2: had a friend once that engaged with him just to
Speaker 2: be funny, and we did a whole show on it
Speaker 2: where he described how to get rid of a corpse
Speaker 2: and also how to cook eggs, and the whatever was
Speaker 2: on the other side of that account kind of went
Speaker 2: along with the whole thing. Very weird. Anyway, Now, in
Speaker 2: the age of AI, I guess they can automate this
Speaker 2: stuff and deep bake it, so you know, and maybe
Speaker 2: they could before and we just didn't have that technology
Speaker 2: in our toys in America, and a lot of guys
Speaker 2: have gotten had. Anyway, my point is that this guy
Speaker 2: claims to be Elon Musk and seemed like he was,
Speaker 2: and then sent me a voicemail basically saying, look, I
Speaker 2: don't have time to really chat but because you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a busy man and this and that, but if
Speaker 2: you have Signal or if you have a Telegram, I'll
Speaker 2: talk to you on there. So I signed up for
Speaker 2: Signal and went over there, and I got mixed feelings
Speaker 2: about it. But I almost thought for a second I
Speaker 2: might be talking to Elon Musk, but I don't think
Speaker 2: I am now anyway, I find his whole story interesting
Speaker 2: because of the you know, weird sort of chaos that's
Speaker 2: gone on in the Trump administration. People vandalizing Tesla's, the
Speaker 2: stock dropping, all that weirdness, and oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: one more piece of chaos here. Just the audio wise,
Speaker 2: this is kind of an interesting moment where a States
Speaker 2: Department spokesperson Tammy Bruce learns from a reporter that Trump
Speaker 2: announced the on social media that Mike Waltz has a
Speaker 2: new job, and Marco is now, you know Kissinger two
Speaker 2: point zero. I found this exchange interesting and the way
Speaker 2: she rolls with the whole thing kind of comical as well.
Speaker 2: Here we go if it plays.
Speaker 8: In the first row, has just come out from the President? Yeah,
Speaker 8: all right, great, the President has just written on truth
Speaker 8: social that Mike Waltz is going to become the new
Speaker 8: US Ambassador to the United Nations.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go national fabulous.
Speaker 8: And in addition to that, she says that in the
Speaker 8: interim Secretary of State Market Rubio will serve as National
Speaker 8: Security Advisor while continuing his strong leadership at the State Department.
Speaker 8: Do you know how long he's going to be serving
Speaker 8: in both?
Speaker 2: For I love this because visually she's got this like
Speaker 2: tight angry grin on where she's trying to maintain the smile.
Speaker 2: In the past, the State's Department, you know, a State
Speaker 2: Department spokeswoman, person whatever, would have snapback of this reporter, Look,
Speaker 2: you don't know what you're talking about, because I'm in
Speaker 2: the know. Here. Half of these cabinet officials and subcontractors
Speaker 2: among the cabinet officials don't know what's going on until
Speaker 2: they see it on truth Social. Jeez, I love this.
Speaker 2: I find this comical. But her response is even better here.
Speaker 2: The reporters like, hey, you just said it on truth Social,
Speaker 2: So what do you have to say about that? And
Speaker 2: here's how she responds.
Speaker 9: Well, it is clear that I just heard this from you.
Speaker 7: I had this is.
Speaker 2: The magic heads up that well, I.
Speaker 9: Have some insights as to the potential of certain things
Speaker 9: that might happen, but when the president and this of
Speaker 9: course is all presidential decisions, right, so I'm with State Department.
Speaker 9: It is, as I think would be clear to all
Speaker 9: of you, you don't want to get ahead of your
Speaker 9: skis in drawing conclusions or speculating about what may occur,
Speaker 9: and you can have a general sense of what's possible
Speaker 9: and then you see that manifest usually. But I think
Speaker 9: one thing I certainly that I've learned is that things
Speaker 9: don't happen until the president says they're going to happen.
Speaker 9: So the fact that that is, which was obviously truth
Speaker 9: social Yeah, so that is the miracle of modern technology
Speaker 9: and the social media.
Speaker 2: This is government by truth social at the moment, which
Speaker 2: is hilarious. I don't care if you're for Trumper against him,
Speaker 2: tell me this is not comical in some way. And
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm pulling this not from some partisan website.
Speaker 2: This is on c SPAN where they show you our
Speaker 2: government in action. So anyway, look, I know I'm overwhelming
Speaker 2: you with political stuff, my man, I mean, Martin, I
Speaker 2: know it's you know, but I believe me it won't
Speaker 2: all be political. Indeed, I told you guys the story
Speaker 2: ahead of time about that tremendous forest fire in New Jersey, Okay,
Speaker 2: that you know, burned a whole bunch of acres. And
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, even though it looks small here to California,
Speaker 2: New Jersey's a very small state. But I told everybody
Speaker 2: exactly what the investigators were going to find before they
Speaker 2: found it, because I'm familiar with that area. There are
Speaker 2: logical ways to break things down and find out about
Speaker 2: them ahead of time, but not when it comes to
Speaker 2: our government at the moment and our presidential circumstances, and
Speaker 2: one begins to wonder exactly how much power does the
Speaker 2: president wield at all times in all places when we
Speaker 2: see what's happening here. So I ask you to consider
Speaker 2: that when I get to my favorite presidential quote of
Speaker 2: the day, and then I promise you we're not going
Speaker 2: to play anymore Trump clips, but just really fast, one
Speaker 2: more clip, couple more headlines, and then I want to
Speaker 2: talk about your work, because all of this stuff that
Speaker 2: we're talking about right now is part of the equation
Speaker 2: with hijacking and warping, the truth movements, the calls for
Speaker 2: transparency and all of that, and that's now going to
Speaker 2: touch on your work. So hang on just real quick.
Speaker 2: And this is I got this clip from the AP
Speaker 2: very short but interesting to me, one of the.
Speaker 1: Speech to President She of China.
Speaker 10: And we still have as we look right now, and
Speaker 10: I told you before, they're having tremendous difficulty because their
Speaker 10: factories are not doing business.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, first of all, the way you know retail
Speaker 2: and supply chains actually work. Despite the paranoia and the
Speaker 2: weird instantaneous self gratification that the MSM has tried to
Speaker 2: explain to you, we have not indeed encountered the problems
Speaker 2: from supply chains being disrupted from the tariffs and all
Speaker 2: that nonsense. And the first quarter of the year is
Speaker 2: really not even in Trump's control. That's the reports on
Speaker 2: the results from things that were put in place ahead
Speaker 2: of time. But it's been a fascinating journey to watch
Speaker 2: this argument over the implementation of tariffs, the pulling back
Speaker 2: of tariffs, and for the most part, outside of the
Speaker 2: market bouncing around because people are uncertain about the future.
Speaker 2: Not much has actually changed in the supply chain and
Speaker 2: in the supplies that remain here on the shore and
Speaker 2: in transit. But they're about to And the funny thing
Speaker 2: to me is they're asking them about the deal. Have
Speaker 2: you made any deals with China? Everybody's begging to make
Speaker 2: a deal. We're all gonna have deals. I've got the
Speaker 2: best deals. It's the art of the deal. That's what
Speaker 2: we're doing right now. And we're even taking on Canada
Speaker 2: if they don't want to become our fifty first state,
Speaker 2: they're going to become our bitch, so get ready. But
Speaker 2: I love Trump's response to this because again, it begs
Speaker 2: a lot of questions, and I'm not going to ask them.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you guys out there ask them in
Speaker 2: your own minds. And I'm gonna ask Dj Thermal Detonator
Speaker 2: to comment. And I'm using your DJ name on purpose
Speaker 2: here because you need it here anyway. Just listen to
Speaker 2: this with an open mind as he responds to what's
Speaker 2: going on with China, what's happening with the tariff and
Speaker 2: trade war, et cetera. Mister President, they.
Speaker 11: Made a trillion dollars, by the trillion dollars, even a trillion.
Speaker 1: One with Biden selling.
Speaker 3: Us much of a wader. Need you know, somebody said, oh,
Speaker 3: the shelves are going to be open.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe the children will have two dollars instead of
Speaker 2: thirty dollars, you know, and maybe the two dolls.
Speaker 1: Will closet a couple of bucks more than they went normally.
Speaker 2: But okay, that's how he boils down what's about to happen.
Speaker 2: I assure you that is not the long or the
Speaker 2: short of it, and a lot of people would go
Speaker 2: along with the idea. Listen We've been buying cheap Chinese
Speaker 2: crap for years. Why are we doing that? We don't
Speaker 2: make it in the US. I don't know how many
Speaker 2: of you want to work at paper plate factories, even
Speaker 2: if there are jobs there that are not taken by
Speaker 2: automation or AI. But I got it. I tell you,
Speaker 2: there is a lot of junk that a lot of
Speaker 2: you people want, and I don't think everybody's factored into this.
Speaker 2: And this guy who somehow things children have thirty dollars,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't recall even little girls with
Speaker 2: thirty Barbie dolls. When I was a kid, and Barbie
Speaker 2: dolls were only five bucks and they were too expensive
Speaker 2: for my poor ass neighborhood. So believe me, I never
Speaker 2: saw that. And little girls with two or three Barbies
Speaker 2: were pretty much seen as rich. But thirty dollars, I
Speaker 2: don't know what to say. So instead of thirty dollars,
Speaker 2: they'll have two. It's almost like explaining to your children
Speaker 2: that they can't have as much and it's gonna cost
Speaker 2: more because now they've gotten older and reality needs to
Speaker 2: set in. There is no Santa Claus. But this is
Speaker 2: our president explaining this to you. Because guess what you're
Speaker 2: the children? Anyway, Any thoughts on this, my friend? Uh?
Speaker 4: You know, it's I mean, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's just like, what's he talking about dolls? I mean
Speaker 4: it's is he referring to like, you know, dollar store
Speaker 4: like discount stuff? You know, because you know kids, girls,
Speaker 4: you know, they don't they're not eight easily able.
Speaker 3: To get thirty dollars.
Speaker 4: I mean unless it's some something really really you know,
Speaker 4: retardedly cheap, right. You know it doesn't sound good, it
Speaker 4: doesn't sound very good. But you know, I I don't.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like I don't know what's what's really
Speaker 4: gonna happen. I mean, it's just like you were saying,
Speaker 4: you know, he already imposed these tariffs and then he
Speaker 4: pulled them back. You know, it's like, you know, wait
Speaker 4: and see. I guess you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the whole thing is wait and see, right,
Speaker 2: And look my overall point here in case you're missing it, guys,
Speaker 2: and I know you're not, but somebody listening might be
Speaker 2: missing it and saying, oh, he's just bitching about Trump.
Speaker 2: I got a lot more lightning headlines to get here too.
Speaker 2: And and believe me, I'm.
Speaker 12: Going to do it.
Speaker 2: And I want you to understand. If you try and
Speaker 2: read a transcript to what Trump says half the time
Speaker 2: and you're literate, you will go insane trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what the hell he's really saying. Look, a lot
Speaker 2: of things are happening simultaneously, okay, And I think that
Speaker 2: people don't recognize what they all mean altogether, and it's
Speaker 2: because they have chosen to disconnect themselves from the reality
Speaker 2: around them. This has been a trend for quite a while.
Speaker 2: And here's the fun part. The leaders that you think
Speaker 2: know what's going on in the whole world, the smartest
Speaker 2: guys in the room, the smartest guys in DC, the
Speaker 2: smartest guys at the companies, et cetera, et cetera. They're
Speaker 2: not connected to your reality either. I get statements from
Speaker 2: people about like, well, just give up your daily Starbucks
Speaker 2: and you can do this, And I go, yeah, I
Speaker 2: can't afford a daily Starbucks. Okay, it's too expensive. They
Speaker 2: say to me, well, instead of taking your family out
Speaker 2: to eat a couple of times a week, do this,
Speaker 2: And I go, take my family out to eat. I
Speaker 2: haven't done that in years. I can't afford that. Look,
Speaker 2: I don't have one hundred bucks to throw away. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to afford the overpriced groceries. Yeah, okay, and I
Speaker 2: also got to do things like I don't know, pay
Speaker 2: the electric bill, which I worry about, and housing cost,
Speaker 2: which if you're rich you don't worry about so much.
Speaker 2: I mean, it cracked me up when the Hedge one
Speaker 2: manager was on TV going, well, my ninety year old
Speaker 2: mother in law doesn't worry about her Social Security check.
Speaker 2: She wouldn't complain if she didn't get one yet because
Speaker 2: she lives in the side part of your fifteen million
Speaker 2: dollar apartment in you know, Manhattan rent free. An old
Speaker 2: lady who's ninety who depends on her Social Security check
Speaker 2: is going to be upset if her Social Security check
Speaker 2: doesn't show up unless she has a big stash of
Speaker 2: savings to absorb that. And trust me, old ladies who
Speaker 2: don't get their second napkin at a restaurant when they
Speaker 2: go get upset. So believe me, that's solid security check
Speaker 2: is going to cause a ruckus if you decide not
Speaker 2: to send it to people. Oh, by the way, if
Speaker 2: you're somebody who does collect SSI apparently something weird is
Speaker 2: going on in Congress, and you're gonna receive three checks
Speaker 2: in May, which is weird. But a little caution out there.
Speaker 2: You might want to read up some news stories. I
Speaker 2: got it from Yahoo News. I'm gonna put it in
Speaker 2: the chatroom at Ochelli dot com because I think it's
Speaker 2: a public service thing for those that live on SSI.
Speaker 2: Here's the deal. You're not going to get another check
Speaker 2: until July. Once you turn around and get this extra
Speaker 2: three checks somehow in May. I don't know why, May, June, July.
Speaker 2: They're gonna skip June and give you three checks at once,
Speaker 2: so you know the old expression, don't spend it all
Speaker 2: in one place, and there will be some bonus couple
Speaker 2: hundred extra dollars or something. I don't even necessarily understand
Speaker 2: the shuffling, but that's happening along with Elon Musk allegedly
Speaker 2: now stepping back from his Doze duties, and since I'm
Speaker 2: not speaking to him directly, I can't quite get straight
Speaker 2: at him, but I love the discussions there. The alleged
Speaker 2: warning shot fired to him by the board of directors
Speaker 2: there at DOGE, I mean not at Doze, excuse me,
Speaker 2: at TESLA, because they were publicly allegedly looking for a
Speaker 2: brand new CEO at Tesla, okay, which means they were
Speaker 2: about ready to fire Musk from his company. A quarter
Speaker 2: of US consumers are now financing groceries with buy now,
Speaker 2: pay later options. That's in Fortune magazine ironically. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: just telling you this is what's going on. Okay. These
Speaker 2: are the headlines, and I'm gonna ask your opinion on
Speaker 2: a couple of them after I get through a few more.
Speaker 2: But yeah, elon Musk and Doge promised two trillion in saving.
Speaker 2: In reality, government spending is actually up currently, according to
Speaker 2: a report from The Independent. And again I'll put that
Speaker 2: link in the chatroom Mitochelli dot com and also include
Speaker 2: it with the show notes along with a few other
Speaker 2: things that we're about to get to, because again I
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about this strange thing that's going on.
Speaker 2: But before we get away from tech people, Meta claims
Speaker 2: that it's new tech is redefining advertising as an AI agent.
Speaker 2: And you know, our friend Zuckerberg over there at Facebook,
Speaker 2: Meta all that after kissing Trump's ass and coming on
Speaker 2: in and saying that he cares about free speech again
Speaker 2: and changing the rules once more for Facebook jail and beyond,
Speaker 2: just saying it's what's happening. Yeah, they're claiming that this
Speaker 2: launch of their new AI service is going to be personalized.
Speaker 2: And I covered that partially last night, but also in
Speaker 2: the strange, kind of weird world of tech. Want to
Speaker 2: let you know that a judge just ruled against Apple's
Speaker 2: control of the Apple Store, of the App store. Excuse me.
Speaker 2: The judge in Epic versus Apple is banned Apple from
Speaker 2: charging a commission on purchases made outside the App Store
Speaker 2: because if it's ongoing in competitive anti competitive behavior. What's
Speaker 2: happening is they're charging people extra money for things they're buying.
Speaker 2: They're not giving that money to the app creator or
Speaker 2: the website or whatever. They're just collecting extra fees on
Speaker 2: you because you're an Apple user and a judge just
Speaker 2: slammed down on them. I'm sure they'll appeal, but if
Speaker 2: you're an Apple user, you might want to look for
Speaker 2: some rebates and refunds coming soon. Just saying if the
Speaker 2: court's decision holds. All right. A couple other things going
Speaker 2: on is Dems joined Republicans to boost defense spending in
Speaker 2: the Trump Pagenda bill. Yeah, you know that big beautiful Bill.
Speaker 2: One of the things that's guaranteed and always guaranteed in
Speaker 2: the false left right paradigm is that nobody ever wants
Speaker 2: to cut defense spending, not really, even if they give
Speaker 2: lift service to it. The one thing they can agree
Speaker 2: on is that we should have the absolute largest, strongest,
Speaker 2: biggest military in the world. They'll claim once in a
Speaker 2: while that you're undercutting it. No, you're undercutting it. No
Speaker 2: you don't support the troops. No, you don't support the troops.
Speaker 2: And I think of our good friend Bill Hicks, who said,
Speaker 2: I like to put it on the left. I like
Speaker 2: to put it on the right. Wait, it's one guy
Speaker 2: controlling both puppets. Shut up. There's my quick retelling of
Speaker 2: a joke. And now you know why. I'm not a
Speaker 2: stand up comedian, but I'm telling you now. It really
Speaker 2: does concisely and accurately make the salient point about the
Speaker 2: false left right paradigm. It's the truth when it comes
Speaker 2: down to defense spending. You can find him agreeing on
Speaker 2: that at all times. So even though people hate the
Speaker 2: Post Office and the USPS they are looking to privatize
Speaker 2: and UPS is cutting twenty thousand jobs. They're claiming that
Speaker 2: people are spending less at Amazon, and therefore they don't
Speaker 2: need all of the staff that they did in the
Speaker 2: past few years. So they're about to do some dozing.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, but it's not a government program. Yeah, these
Speaker 2: are the ripple effects that come out of the government
Speaker 2: program cuts and also when inflation really kicks in. One
Speaker 2: more thing from the American Spectator, a headline I appreciate
Speaker 2: more than most. An entire generation has turned feral. The
Speaker 2: teenagers of yesteryear are not like the feral kids of today.
Speaker 2: And just to give you a quick synopsis, they talk
Speaker 2: about these different kids who have taken over parts of
Speaker 2: cities with literal takeovers where they storm in and take
Speaker 2: over areas, knock over police stations, whole business areas, and
Speaker 2: just do it because they've gotten nothing else going and
Speaker 2: they spend all their time in apps and online doing nothing.
Speaker 2: So we have a feral generation of sorts according to
Speaker 2: the American Spectator. But that's not the weirdest thing going on.
Speaker 2: Once again, back to these odd black sites, and we're
Speaker 2: gonna have to talk about Libya coming up here, because
Speaker 2: that's going to be one of the places where we
Speaker 2: might send people next. Screw el Salvador. We might get
Speaker 2: a better deal out of Libya. After all, that country's
Speaker 2: been completely out of control ever since the overthrow of
Speaker 2: Kadafi and the literal screwing over of the guy pun intended.
Speaker 2: You know, it just happened that way. Funny how he
Speaker 2: was telling us a lot of interesting truths in public
Speaker 2: statements though, and pointing fingers and US intelligence agencies when
Speaker 2: it came to a great many narratives. But was that
Speaker 2: his worst crime? I don't think so. I think the
Speaker 2: biggest problem was how about interest free loans to other
Speaker 2: African nations without me taking you over or trying to
Speaker 2: colonize or doing the new Chinese colonization dance, which is
Speaker 2: happening all across Africa. Yeah, if it's not an oil
Speaker 2: rich country, you don't figure that they're going in there
Speaker 2: blood for oil. But blood for diamonds and blood for
Speaker 2: lithium is a thing. Anyway, All of that might be
Speaker 2: connected to nine to eleven, the hijacking of the truth
Speaker 2: movement and all that, And maybe we should take a
Speaker 2: quick break and delve into that subject. What do you think?
Speaker 3: Sure sounds like it all right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm all talked out, so guess what. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be your turn. So we're gonna have fun with that.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about his YouTube channel. We're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about Martin's music a little bit. I got a couple
Speaker 2: of questions, and I'm gonna give you the links to
Speaker 2: his work, including By the way, I wanted to ask
Speaker 2: your opinion about that link site you use, because I'm
Speaker 2: still using link tree and you have something called what
Speaker 2: is it all my links or somewhere? Is it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think it's all my links. I was using link
Speaker 4: tree before, but then I would for some reason it
Speaker 4: was wouldn't it just like lost it for some reason.
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened, but.
Speaker 2: You lost your password or did you look for something?
Speaker 4: I think I think you just wouldn't allow me to
Speaker 4: do it anymore or something. I don't know what the
Speaker 4: hell what it was, but they all my links. I
Speaker 4: think I picked it up from another recording artist that
Speaker 4: I know uses it, uses it, but I don't check
Speaker 4: it very much. I just have it, you know, updated,
Speaker 4: and you know, with whatever sites I have, and that's
Speaker 4: about it. I totally share it much, you know, no.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, but it's a great thing to have you know,
Speaker 2: these these interesting sites. They've done a Patriot Lynch thing.
Speaker 2: They've done link Tree, which was popular because it was
Speaker 2: connected to Instagram, I think, or one of those. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I get confused myself because every time I
Speaker 2: turn around, there's one hundred things you can go to.
Speaker 2: Even YouTube, which has you know, banned and kicked me
Speaker 2: off and totally banned me for life now and now
Speaker 2: I'm back on it with a very you know, low
Speaker 2: key kind of channel. But all my major work that
Speaker 2: I had there and I joined that in two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven or eight, they got rid of me, you know,
Speaker 2: and certain platforms will just you know, deep platform you
Speaker 2: kick you off. Matter of fact, I was on rock
Speaker 2: Fin for a while and I was among that group
Speaker 2: of people that were you know, cast out from the
Speaker 2: Rock Fin you know what.
Speaker 4: They were going to give me a profile. I did
Speaker 4: an interview with them and all that. But you know,
Speaker 4: once they noticed that I was that I was making
Speaker 4: stuff like very anti loose change and you know, criticizing
Speaker 4: Jason Burmis, they were like, man, Major told me like, no,
Speaker 4: we're not going to give you and it Mike, that's fine.
Speaker 2: Well whatever, you know what I don't feel so bad
Speaker 2: when I got banned around the same time as what
Speaker 2: James Corbitt and a whole bunch of other people whose
Speaker 2: names I know and have been guests on this show.
Speaker 2: I just kind of went, well, that makes sense, but
Speaker 2: I'm always surprised when I see anybody surviving on YouTube.
Speaker 2: So maybe you can tell me that's because I got
Speaker 2: the from there.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we'll come back with that, definitely.
Speaker 2: And I even went through all the trouble of the appeals,
Speaker 2: and I had a process. I even had there was
Speaker 2: at one time an outsider program where they had independent
Speaker 2: people that they hired on the side that were supposed
Speaker 2: to be not working for the company, that would arbitrate
Speaker 2: disputes right. I even got one of those people involved
Speaker 2: and had my channel restored after it was removed in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty or twenty nineteen, entirely had it restored, and
Speaker 2: then they took it away again in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing was it was such nonsense for
Speaker 2: why they got rid of me. It wasn't like, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, they got me for medical disinformation because I
Speaker 2: dared say I don't trust the companies that are making
Speaker 2: the vaccine, so that was a bad thing. But in
Speaker 2: addition to that, you know, because I'm pointing out Johnson
Speaker 2: and Johnson was one of those companies. Everybody forgets that,
Speaker 2: but those are the same people who couldn't figure out
Speaker 2: how to not put a carcinage in talcum powder, you know,
Speaker 2: just saying uh, And you know, there were other problems
Speaker 2: with these other issues, and I was medical disinformation. But
Speaker 2: then I got the creepiest thing ever. The Google team
Speaker 2: sent me a letter basically asking me if I was suicidal.
Speaker 4: Uh, because I've had those from YouTube videos now, yeah,
Speaker 4: because it's like just because of particular documentaries I posted,
Speaker 4: just like like one that was on like Kavorkian and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but see, mine had nothing to do with suicide.
Speaker 2: The funniest thing was I had a video just real
Speaker 2: fast and then we'll go to break. I had a
Speaker 2: video explaining, this is JFK making a public statement about Vietnam.
Speaker 2: Then I played a dictor belt recording audio of him
Speaker 2: making a different statement dictated in a letter for somebody
Speaker 2: else that was meant to be private at the time.
Speaker 2: The two statements completely contradicted each other, even though they
Speaker 2: were made at almost exactly the same day, right, So
Speaker 2: all I said in the video after showing pictures of
Speaker 2: him and playing the audio, I said in the video
Speaker 2: in a text, doesn't this seem strange to you that
Speaker 2: these things contradict one another? Now? It was a twenty
Speaker 2: like like an eight minute video altogether, and it was
Speaker 2: up there from two thousand and nine, I think, all
Speaker 2: the way up to twenty twenty two. Nobody noticed it
Speaker 2: and had a few thousand views on it, even though
Speaker 2: I had five thousand subscribers and well over you know,
Speaker 2: a million views on millions of views on the videos
Speaker 2: I had I don't know a thousand videos up there
Speaker 2: over the years. And the thing was, they banned that
Speaker 2: video for me promoting self harm and then started sending
Speaker 2: me things like, you know, if you need to talk
Speaker 2: to somebody, you can call the suicide Prevention hotline, and
Speaker 2: we had the Google team wanted to check in with you.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I wasn't suicidal. I appealed this, and
Speaker 2: you guys wouldn't listen to me. And I don't even
Speaker 2: know how the hell to fight something. It makes absolutely
Speaker 2: no sense. It's not even insulted. You have to be honest.
Speaker 2: That's what I told them.
Speaker 3: Back. I'm like, this is insulting for you to send
Speaker 3: me this.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I said, is I said, there is
Speaker 2: no there is no point of reference bring me to
Speaker 2: even begin to have a discussion here. This makes no sense.
Speaker 2: And they sent me back with you know, after my
Speaker 2: appeal that basically said this makes no sense. Nope, we
Speaker 2: stand by our decision. You were you were encouraging self harm,
Speaker 2: and that was the final straw for finally destroying my
Speaker 2: YouTube legacy that had been there from like I say,
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight to twenty twenty two. So what
Speaker 2: is that fourteen almost fifteen years two thousand and seven
Speaker 2: or eight to twenty twenty two, fifteen years and they
Speaker 2: just disappear me. I don't care that they demonetize me
Speaker 2: over and over again. I didn't care about that anymore,
Speaker 2: because you know, it takes forever to earn fractions of
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Speaker 2: But my videos all gone just like that. Anyway, we'll
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Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 2: Anyways, man, you are a nine to eleven guy. Okay,
Speaker 2: That's how I would categorize you. Basically. You're also independent,
Speaker 2: you know as far as music goes, You like your
Speaker 2: DJ name, You're you know, you sort of described that earlier,
Speaker 2: and you have a YouTube channel. But what is the
Speaker 2: latest work from you? What are you on besides that?
Speaker 2: Book you were talking about. Uh, Let's talk about you
Speaker 2: for a bit, man and what you're doing.
Speaker 21: Well.
Speaker 4: The last thing I put out was hold On is
Speaker 4: the UH. I made a film about UH, basically kind
Speaker 4: of about Mohammed Atta, you know, the uh mange hijacker.
Speaker 4: It's called The Double Life of Mohammed Atta. Were the
Speaker 4: nine to eleven ring leaders and other al Qaida operatives
Speaker 4: Gay Wow, Well it was it's it's just it's only
Speaker 4: a fifty minute filmy two minutes. And I put that
Speaker 4: out last year on the nine to eleven anniversary, and
Speaker 4: it was just it was a lot of written stuff
Speaker 4: that I've been kind of covering and I wanted to
Speaker 4: put something, you know, I just wanted to get something
Speaker 4: out finally, and you know, I just I put a
Speaker 4: pretty good, a pretty good case that you know, it
Speaker 4: is very likely he was you know, gay or him
Speaker 4: by or whatever, which you know, It's like I'm not
Speaker 4: trying to get on people's you know, sexual preference, trying
Speaker 4: to make an issue of it. But it's just the
Speaker 4: whole thing of like, you know, the the Islamic you
Speaker 4: know terrorist, you know, the fundamentalist you know, narrative at
Speaker 4: all all that it isn't completely is what people think.
Speaker 2: It's one more weird twist or turn in the strange
Speaker 2: narrative that has you know, a bunch of angry Islamists,
Speaker 2: you know, deciding that they're going to take over planes
Speaker 2: with box cutters. I mean, that's just a crazy story
Speaker 2: to begin with. The official stories insane and a lot
Speaker 2: of this other stuff that has come out, it's gotten
Speaker 2: into a weird world. But let me ask you a
Speaker 2: blunt and it's going to seem like a nasty question,
Speaker 2: but I think it's valid. Did anybody bother to pay attention?
Speaker 2: Because we now live in a circumstance where, first of all,
Speaker 2: you know, certain that they keep talking about Laura Lumer
Speaker 2: and she's a conspiracy theorist and she said nine to
Speaker 2: eleven was a side job, and oh my god, she's
Speaker 2: telling Trump who to hire and fire in the NSA,
Speaker 2: and my god, Okay, we're in a weird time where
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory isn't what it used to be. In fact,
Speaker 2: they even changed the word conspiracist because to me, the
Speaker 2: word conspiracist was somebody who was actually directly involved in
Speaker 2: a conspiracy. Nowadays they slap that word on you if
Speaker 2: you advocate for a theory or the possibility of a
Speaker 2: theory that there might have been people working together that
Speaker 2: contradicts the official conspiracy theory, and you become a conspiracist.
Speaker 2: But what's weird is there are some people that think
Speaker 2: Trump legitimized it. His whole MAGA movement has legitimized it.
Speaker 3: We had the.
Speaker 2: Experience with Q and the weirdness I experienced last year.
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm in Dallas, Texas, and you saw
Speaker 2: the clips the year before of hey, JFK Junior is
Speaker 2: going to you know, re emerge from his death. He
Speaker 2: faked and he's going to become you know, Trump's vice president, right.
Speaker 2: We end up with Jade Vance instead. And there were
Speaker 2: cute people on the Grassy Knoll a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago walking around waiting for JFK Junior to show up
Speaker 2: there on the anniversary right now, Okay, fine, Fast forward
Speaker 2: another year and I'm there kind of on and off
Speaker 2: year at the Lancer conference. I'm being the MC. But
Speaker 2: I went down to Dealey Plaza because some friends wanted
Speaker 2: me to go down there and kind of give him
Speaker 2: a personal tour, and I said sure. I went down there,
Speaker 2: and they're doing their thing a moment of silence, which
Speaker 2: happens every November twenty second on the Grassy Knoll. Literally,
Speaker 2: people get together and have a moment of silence, just
Speaker 2: recognizing that America changed that day on November twenty second,
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three. I agree with that. I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: agree with all the people involved with the moment of side,
Speaker 2: but I happened to be there at exactly the time
Speaker 2: of day on the anniversary, and there's a small group
Speaker 2: of Q people. They stretched across Elm Street, which, if
Speaker 2: you don't know, by the way, Martin Elm Street is
Speaker 2: where it's the original nightmare on Elm Street, that's where
Speaker 2: Kennedy was killed. They stretched across that street Indialy Plaza
Speaker 2: and stopped traffic. The Q people, I have no idea why.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what their point was. They just
Speaker 2: disrupted traffic, temporarily, got photographed by the Dallas Morning News,
Speaker 2: and then disappeared. Which is weird because we live in
Speaker 2: an age now where there's a lot of performative protests,
Speaker 2: and you and I have been alive long enough to
Speaker 2: have known that there were real grassroots protests, people demanding
Speaker 2: truth for real, not looking for people to come back
Speaker 2: from their fake deaths and show up and re emerge
Speaker 2: as presidential candidates or excuse me, vice presidential candidates. But
Speaker 2: you and I have been around long enough to remember
Speaker 2: that there were, you know, gatherings in New York City
Speaker 2: demanding disclosure regarding nine to eleven, et cetera. And I've
Speaker 2: been involved in the JFK community for like thirty years,
Speaker 2: but it's gotten very weird. And I note that the
Speaker 2: nine to eleven community, which was very vocal, very diverse,
Speaker 2: very interesting for a while and had a lot of
Speaker 2: traction not only in social media but in the podcast
Speaker 2: Realm et cetera, et cetera, has now become and you
Speaker 2: hear the dogs getting wild in the back now somebody
Speaker 2: must be at my door. Has gotten really strange. And
Speaker 2: is it just me as sort of a interested outsider
Speaker 2: who does know something about nine to eleven because I
Speaker 2: was in proximity of New York City that day and
Speaker 2: experienced some weird things that day and tried to literally
Speaker 2: in the moments after get into New York City and
Speaker 2: wanted to help people, if we could dig people out
Speaker 2: of that rubble to survive. They had locked down the Island.
Speaker 2: But I was right there and I watched the debris
Speaker 2: cloud travel over into New Jersey. It literally left a
Speaker 2: coating all up and down the Jersey shore. In places
Speaker 2: like Bayonne, Jersey City. You could literally wipe this weird
Speaker 2: crap off of your windows, either your apartment or your
Speaker 2: car in Jersey City, Bayonne. Like I said, all of
Speaker 2: those northern Jersey places just across the river and New
Speaker 2: York took a hit on a local level. That was
Speaker 2: one thing we went into the war on terror, etc.
Speaker 2: But point is, it seems to me as though they hijacked, derailed,
Speaker 2: and co opted all of what was legitimate in the
Speaker 2: nine to eleven truth movement. And now it's pretty quiet.
Speaker 3: Is it just me?
Speaker 2: Or am I seeing something.
Speaker 3: That you see? No, no, it's not you.
Speaker 4: But but first I will say that, yes, I have
Speaker 4: actually been to the ground, you knowl be into the
Speaker 4: d lee plaza. I went there in twenty twelve. Uh
Speaker 4: went on a family trip. I went to visit my
Speaker 4: niece to live in Oklahoma, and I actually went to
Speaker 4: the Oklahoma bombing site a couple of days before that.
Speaker 4: So I I can say, yeah, I totally can see
Speaker 4: what you're saying. About the Q people. I can imagine
Speaker 4: that I've stood behind the fence, you know, all of that,
Speaker 4: seen the spot where you know, Abraham Supruder stood at
Speaker 4: all that. Yeah, and that's that's amazing. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're you were into this thirty years, so you're you're
Speaker 4: you were already into this stuff before nine to eleven happened, apparently,
Speaker 4: you know, you know, for my for myself, you know,
Speaker 4: I I was actually in the Army, didn't even do
Speaker 4: my full three full three years. I got out. It
Speaker 4: was a long story, but I got out early. And
Speaker 4: you know, one of the first movies I saw was
Speaker 4: you know, the JFK movie from you know, Oliver Stone
Speaker 4: when was on VHS, and that had a profound fact
Speaker 4: you know, uh you know effect on me. You know,
Speaker 4: it made me really miss miss mistrust my government more
Speaker 4: so than already what I had already experienced in the army.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So I mean that's that. Kudos to you man. You're
Speaker 4: you know, being on top of being you know, you know,
Speaker 4: on the ball with you know, with things I you know,
Speaker 4: I hadn't you know, I was never motivated to do
Speaker 4: anything political or activist wise until you know, nine to
Speaker 4: eleven or nine to eleven truth, you know.
Speaker 2: And uh strange thing is, by the way, it took
Speaker 2: me until two thousand and eight to really begin to
Speaker 2: question and examine nine to eleven from a skeptical point
Speaker 2: of view, because I was actually all sold in on
Speaker 2: the we got to go get them, screw them, the
Speaker 2: terrorists hurt us. You know, I was all for the
Speaker 2: official narrative, even though I knew about the government line
Speaker 2: to us. Even though I knew, I just thought that
Speaker 2: it couldn't go that far. And you know that JFK
Speaker 2: movie is still having effects today. The truth is that
Speaker 2: those files that Trump dumped out there recently that you know,
Speaker 2: everybody's going, oh, it's a nothing burger. Oh wait a minute,
Speaker 2: there's something in it. That stuff was all done as
Speaker 2: part of the reaction to the Oliver Stone movie, that
Speaker 2: final slide where they tell you the HSCA files are
Speaker 2: not going to get seen until twenty twenty nine. People
Speaker 2: protested against that, and there was already a let the
Speaker 2: files loose movement that was happening politically, and people in
Speaker 2: Jersey like myself and Bill oh Man I can't even
Speaker 2: think of his name, but a bunch of guys who
Speaker 2: were in Jersey, New York, Dallas, Texas, all across the
Speaker 2: country were haranguing Congress and bothering them, and Oliver Stone's
Speaker 2: movie became a catalyst to create the Assassination Record's review
Speaker 2: Board in the mid nineties. Most of the stuff that
Speaker 2: was supposed to be released in twenty seventeen finally was
Speaker 2: stuff that was already vetted in the mid nineties because
Speaker 2: of that movement, and people don't even realize that. And Trump,
Speaker 2: you know, kicked the can down the road, and Biden
Speaker 2: tried to take the can off the road. Trump finally
Speaker 2: gave to you what you should have gotten in the
Speaker 2: mid nineties in these files. And then we've gone through
Speaker 2: this thing with Epstein and he said something about, you know,
Speaker 2: RFK and MLK, and now he's dropped some RFK stuff
Speaker 2: that really isn't all that significant or revolutionary, but he's
Speaker 2: promising MLK and there's even whispers that he's going to
Speaker 2: get to some nine to eleven truth. But to me,
Speaker 2: it's a bait and switch and it always has been.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that way about nine to eleven or
Speaker 2: do you have any thoughts on this at all?
Speaker 3: You know, as far as that.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, it's like go back to like looking
Speaker 4: what you know, what Trump said, you know, in his
Speaker 4: first term, you know, you know, and he was already
Speaker 4: being ridiculed for playing on that golf course with which
Speaker 4: was Saudi owner that tournament, you know, and the nine
Speaker 4: to eleven victims families. You know, we're speaking out because
Speaker 4: he'd even you know, he'd even said before you know that, well,
Speaker 4: Iraq didn't do it, you know, you may you know,
Speaker 4: he was just kind of, you know, basically saying, you know,
Speaker 4: if you you know, if you get me elected, we'll
Speaker 4: get down to the bottom of nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It may be Saudi Arabia, it may be something else,
Speaker 4: you know, but obviously that nothing really nothing manifested. And
Speaker 4: now I don't I mean, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going to happen the Epstein thing.
Speaker 4: I'll be flat honest with you. It's I don't really
Speaker 4: get into the Epstein thing. I know so many people do,
Speaker 4: and I and I think that's kind of even you know,
Speaker 4: when you're when you were talking about the truth movement
Speaker 4: losing its focus, you know, or whatever was left of it.
Speaker 4: You know, I see that it's you know, more focused
Speaker 4: on that, and it's like they're trying to trying to
Speaker 4: dig out, you know, trying to make a nine to
Speaker 4: eleven link out of that, because you know, Epstein was
Speaker 4: Jewish and they're the you know, the assumption that he
Speaker 4: was Masad or he was an asset of the Massad,
Speaker 4: you know, and they're just always trying to, you know,
Speaker 4: figure out they're trying to you know, it's kind of
Speaker 4: over it's it's overdone on jew counting. I'm sorry to
Speaker 4: say that, but it really is. But you know, going
Speaker 4: back to nine to eleven, like now, you were also saying,
Speaker 4: you know, it's kind of dead. Yeah, it's it's you know,
Speaker 4: even on mainstream media, it's only CBS that's only covering,
Speaker 4: you know, anything new and at least it's the Saudi role.
Speaker 4: And that just happened, you know, this past Sunday. They
Speaker 4: put out the sixty minute piece you know a little
Speaker 4: bit more about Omar Bayoumi. And the thing about that
Speaker 4: is is that, well it was supposed to come out
Speaker 4: in January and obviously Biden was still in office. But
Speaker 4: the theory that I've heard out there is maybe that
Speaker 4: they waited this long because if it would have come
Speaker 4: out during Biden, nothing would have would have happened. But
Speaker 4: now that it's comes out during now, when Trump now
Speaker 4: is totally in office, and there's this idea that maybe,
Speaker 4: you know, something will we'll transpire out of it, I
Speaker 4: don't know, you know, it's like I'm kind of you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not optimistic about it either.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 21: Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, I see a sophisticated operation to literally kick the
Speaker 2: legs out from under every single and I do mean
Speaker 2: every single possible truth movement that was out there has
Speaker 2: all been you know, basically mecapped. Here. Yeah, this circumstance,
Speaker 2: and that's the wildest thing in the world to me.
Speaker 2: And I'm not even trying to point a finger at
Speaker 2: who decided to do it. I can just see the Uh,
Speaker 2: I can see the blueprints here. I can't see who
Speaker 2: the architect is. And it's just wild to me that
Speaker 2: this has happened, uh, you know, And I never expected
Speaker 2: it to go all this way. And here we are
Speaker 2: now with basically between flat Earth and the Maga movement
Speaker 2: and all that and QAnon, it's all it's all been
Speaker 2: undermined and destroyed, and you know, basically, uh, disfigured one
Speaker 2: way or another. I mean, discounted absolutely, you know, mind
Speaker 2: buy all of these things. And I don't know how
Speaker 2: you feel about flat earth, but I mean I've had
Speaker 2: people switch from nine to eleven to flat earth.
Speaker 4: You know, I've seen it. I've seen it too. It's ridiculous,
Speaker 4: you know. I think the thing, the thing that I've
Speaker 4: seen that was the most wasted, focused, biggest distraction that happened.
Speaker 4: You know, while nine to eleven truth was still there
Speaker 4: was really the Sandy Hook nonsense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and you know, uh and look what
Speaker 4: happened there. I mean, there were a few of us
Speaker 4: out there trying to tell you, you know, tell these
Speaker 4: other truthers. You know, look, you're you're going, you're doing
Speaker 4: the wrong thing. You're you're you're you're you're going you're wrong.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just like come back to nine to eleven, folks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was one of those guys too. And the
Speaker 2: sad thing is, you know, I'm trying to even calm
Speaker 2: down a guy like Jim Fetzer and tell him, look,
Speaker 2: stop man, you're you're going the wrong way. And the
Speaker 2: weird thing is even when they turn around and they
Speaker 2: you know, Alex Jones sued for a billion dollars. He
Speaker 2: doesn't wind up paying it. The Onion had his website
Speaker 2: for a couple of days, and now he's got two networks,
Speaker 2: you know, and Elon Musk support. See here we go
Speaker 2: back around, and it's weird how the technocracy steps in
Speaker 2: and assists in.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I got I have I have this
Speaker 4: meme that says that shows a flight one seventy five
Speaker 4: of you know about the crash into the South Tower,
Speaker 4: and you know, and it's a it's a response, and
Speaker 4: it's a true response to the no planers because they're
Speaker 4: just they're they're obviously they're just repugnant people. I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: but you know, it's I just can't stand the no
Speaker 4: planers people. But but and it says, if you don't
Speaker 4: believe this plane is real, do us all a favor
Speaker 4: and kill yourself.
Speaker 2: Well, here's here's the bad thing about this, right is
Speaker 2: I was in New Jersey, as I said before, but
Speaker 2: I knew people in New York. I used to live
Speaker 2: in New York. Yeah, And the funny thing is they
Speaker 2: have certain refrains that are just not true. You know,
Speaker 2: nobody saw any planes. And I go Okay, listen, I
Speaker 2: can tell you this firsthand from people I spoke to
Speaker 2: over the course of that week that I knew that
Speaker 2: were there, people that I knew personally. They're not government agents,
Speaker 2: they weren't on TV. They were just people. And here's
Speaker 2: the thing. I don't know anybody that saw the first plane, true,
Speaker 2: but I knew people who saw, not on TV, but
Speaker 2: in person the second plane because they were looking at
Speaker 2: the burning building already. Yeah, and they go, no, that's
Speaker 2: not true, nobody, You can't bring them up. No, they're
Speaker 2: not public figures. They were regular people who told me
Speaker 2: they saw it. And guess what, their cable was out.
Speaker 2: They couldn't watch TV that night because it wasn't working
Speaker 2: in the area. See, that's the thing. Credit cards stopped
Speaker 2: working in the whole Tri state area, a lot of
Speaker 2: banks went down because there was a network of connection
Speaker 2: that wasn't through the internet entirely at that point. Okay,
Speaker 2: and a lot of those electronic services were disrupted, including cable.
Speaker 2: So they say, no, people saw it on TV, only
Speaker 2: they saw it live on TV. No, I'm like they
Speaker 2: saw it with their own eyes.
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ. I mean, there is like seventy different home
Speaker 4: video recordings of it separate from the news coverage. Yeah,
Speaker 4: a flat one seventy five.
Speaker 2: But they tell you it's false, and I tell them, listen,
Speaker 2: I don't care about the videotapes, you know what. Let's
Speaker 2: just say they're all false. I'm telling you that I
Speaker 2: knew like ten people easily that saw the second plate.
Speaker 15: True.
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody who saw the first I do
Speaker 2: not personally and did not. Some of those people are dead.
Speaker 2: And one of the people that I knew, who had
Speaker 2: been working in the tower and had to retire, was
Speaker 2: an electrician literally had a heart attack watching it on TV. Okay,
Speaker 2: and he was one of my stepfathers. That's a true story.
Speaker 2: I knew people who witnessed it from all over the
Speaker 2: Tri state area and experience. And the sad thing is
Speaker 2: I knew people in New York who saw that second plane.
Speaker 2: So when people tell me there were absolutely no planes,
Speaker 2: there were no passengers, Nobody actually died, you know, it
Speaker 2: just it became a thing. But look, I don't want
Speaker 2: to delve into that. I want to talk about the
Speaker 2: focus of your work. It's wild. You got a fifty
Speaker 2: minute piece on Mohammed Anna being gay and I definitely
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to find the link to that and
Speaker 2: point people to it, just because that is so different.
Speaker 2: I've never heard that before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I use some of like like you know,
Speaker 4: some of the good researcher like you know, Daniel Hopsicker
Speaker 4: just because of the stuff that he uncovered in Florida.
Speaker 4: I think he was one of the few uh you know,
Speaker 4: uh good researchers out there. You know, there's not very
Speaker 4: many of them, but I but I will say, like,
Speaker 4: you know, you know, just just to answer your question,
Speaker 4: you know, uh, you know from the movement, you know,
Speaker 4: just drifting and you know, the bottom the bottom line
Speaker 4: is is like it's just it's just just from its
Speaker 4: inception that was it was wrong, I mean just because
Speaker 4: I mean it all it all boils down back to
Speaker 4: Alex Jones unfortunately, and I put a lot of blame
Speaker 4: and fault on him. And then how things are transpired
Speaker 4: to what we're dealing with now. You know, now you
Speaker 4: got all these people, you know, you're you're pointing out
Speaker 4: with Alon Musk and all this, Like I said, I
Speaker 4: made that meme and then all of a sudden, I'm
Speaker 4: like was banned off Twitter, like forever, like for like
Speaker 4: a year, and you know, but then I see pictures
Speaker 4: of Alon Musk, you know, with with all these Saudi
Speaker 4: royalties and all that. So to me, all this, all
Speaker 4: these hoax theories, and that's what they all are. You know,
Speaker 4: in the long run, it's basically has helped to protect
Speaker 4: you know, some of the Arab States sponsors.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the thing. The longer people perpetrate the bs,
Speaker 2: the more they're protecting the actual perpetrators. And that's the
Speaker 2: saddest part to me. One other quick question about this though,
Speaker 2: just because look, I only have one friend the way
Speaker 2: I see it, from the original nine to eleven movement anymore.
Speaker 2: I mean, I could consider myself friendly with you, but
Speaker 2: you and I don't talk much.
Speaker 15: Uh.
Speaker 2: The only guy I know that I still consider a
Speaker 2: friend is John Gold.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I acquaints with John Gold, and he's like one of
Speaker 4: the few reputable researchers and you know activists out there,
Speaker 4: you know, right, I wish it would be a lot
Speaker 4: more more involved, but I understand he's been dealing with
Speaker 4: medical problems with his back and all that.
Speaker 2: Well, he's had a lot of problems being in the
Speaker 2: wheelchair and everything else. And I mean and at one
Speaker 2: point he lost his place to live. I mean, this
Speaker 2: guy has gone through a lot and nowadays, I mean,
Speaker 2: I even find it fascinating that he does that uh
Speaker 2: you know that blog where he talks to the uh
Speaker 2: he talks to chat GPT at that nine to eleven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: those are interesting and I find that work interesting. And
Speaker 2: I think the the idea that he's even the guy
Speaker 2: who coined the phrase truther, you know, accidentally. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's amazing.
Speaker 4: He kind of regrets it too, because I talked to
Speaker 4: him a lot, actually quite a bit, exchange with him
Speaker 4: a lot, and he's changed his positions a lot over
Speaker 4: the years. You know, even even in even in you know,
Speaker 4: critiquing the whole controlled demolition theory and stuff, and you know,
Speaker 4: he says, you know, nine to eleven Truth is not
Speaker 4: a controlled demolition movement, and yeah, I agree with that,
Speaker 4: but unfortunately that's how most of the nine to eleven
Speaker 4: Truth movement look at it is, and that's all they
Speaker 4: focus on, you know, and it's yeah, they don't even
Speaker 4: acknowledge the hijackings. They don't know none of that stuff.
Speaker 4: And that's I guess that's what's different with my work
Speaker 4: is yeah, I uh, you know, yeah, I cover the
Speaker 4: most odd stuff. I cover urban moving systems a lot.
Speaker 4: I do a lot of focus on that, but I
Speaker 4: focus a lot also on the on the hijackers and
Speaker 4: the whole idea, the whole concept of whatever al Qaeda is,
Speaker 4: because you know, I have my doubts that you know,
Speaker 4: it was just this one monolithic, you know, organization. I
Speaker 4: mean I can, I can expand a lot more on
Speaker 4: all that. But you know, in my theory, because because
Speaker 4: ISIS is a separate group or organization or movement whatever,
Speaker 4: I believe that they were actually involved in nine to eleven,
Speaker 4: I think we've been. We've been basically BSD. As far
Speaker 4: as this whole idea of centralizing it, well.
Speaker 2: The misunderstanding is the misunderstanding is in the branding, okay,
Speaker 2: because here's the problem. People don't understand how intelligence operations work.
Speaker 2: You're not under one particular flag, okay, and then that's it.
Speaker 2: You can only work for the one company. Believe it,
Speaker 2: you know, the idea that it's not a theory that
Speaker 2: this bin laden character was at one point an asset
Speaker 2: for the US government, and so was Saddam Hussein at
Speaker 2: one point they were assets for the US government. That
Speaker 2: doesn't mean necessarily they were getting a paycheck, but maybe
Speaker 2: they were. Okay, you don't necessarily know, because there is
Speaker 2: a whole nexus of organizations that work together. And I mean,
Speaker 2: if you don't leave me, think about how it is
Speaker 2: you can combine drug traffickers into arm shipments to Iran, okay,
Speaker 2: and create an entire operation that worked at the behest
Speaker 2: of the Vice president for Christ's sake. And if you
Speaker 2: don't believe me about that, it's something called the Iran contra.
Speaker 15: Fair.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's public record. How do people not understand? Yeah,
Speaker 2: go ahead, no, no, But that's a good you know.
Speaker 4: That's also that will be a good segue when we
Speaker 4: kind of talk about Libya because that there's a very important,
Speaker 4: very important thing about that as well as you know,
Speaker 4: what was going on as far as what were terrorist
Speaker 4: threat threats in the eighties and stuff, because you know,
Speaker 4: Al Qaeda didn't exist back then, you know, but you
Speaker 4: know Libya, you know, momark ARDOFFI was this this new
Speaker 4: Arab or our original Arab villain basically you know for
Speaker 4: a long time, and uh, back when we're I don't
Speaker 4: want to drive into that yet. But no, you're making it,
Speaker 4: you know, you're yeah, you're making a good point, you know,
Speaker 4: bringing up something relevant.
Speaker 2: So let's so let's get through this, okay, and tell
Speaker 2: people what's really different about you besides the fact that
Speaker 2: you're not a no plane guy. You're not an outrageous
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory guy. But there is a conspiracy to be
Speaker 2: had here, and who is actually holding the reins is
Speaker 2: still an open question to you or not.
Speaker 4: It is an open question. But my research has gotten
Speaker 4: a little bit more deeper back into the eighties because
Speaker 4: I've not been satisfied with you know, basically even like
Speaker 4: the you know, the FBI wanted poster for obl you know,
Speaker 4: they never had him wanted for nine to eleven. They
Speaker 4: only had him wanted for you know, the the US's
Speaker 4: coal the embassy bombings, and you know in East Africa
Speaker 4: and you know, other terrorist acts around the world.
Speaker 3: They never pin him on nine to eleven.
Speaker 4: And because they didn't even pin him on nine to eleven,
Speaker 4: they had no really no way even to the pin
Speaker 4: him to blame on the first attack on the World
Speaker 4: Trade Center in nineteen ninety three. And you know, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of misleading bs with that too, and of
Speaker 4: course goes back to Alex Jones once more. You know,
Speaker 4: he always he's always telling people that the FBI was involved,
Speaker 4: or the FBI had their informant involved in the plot. Nope,
Speaker 4: none of that is true. I've you know, I've put
Speaker 4: out a very extensive film on the nineteen ninety three
Speaker 4: World Trade Center bombing. It's in four parts, two hours each, yes,
Speaker 4: eight hours worth of material, and it also covers quite
Speaker 4: a bit of nine to eleven. But it goes back into,
Speaker 4: you know, things in retrospect with nineteen ninety three. But
Speaker 4: you know, bottom line is, yeah, you know who was
Speaker 4: behind You know, if you can figure out who was
Speaker 4: really behind the nineteen ninety three bombing, then you can
Speaker 4: figure out really was behind nine to eleven, because you know,
Speaker 4: the bottom line is, you know that they they caught people,
Speaker 4: they charged people for nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 3: They made it seem like.
Speaker 4: Well we got everybody, Well no, they didn't. We had
Speaker 4: nine to eleven happen, you know, And there's and there's
Speaker 4: a nephew and link between you know, Ramsey Yusif and
Speaker 4: Khalid Sheik Mohammad. But there is more to that story
Speaker 4: because it's you know who was the cell in the
Speaker 4: United States because Ramsey Yusef only came into the country
Speaker 4: and he was only here for like six months, but
Speaker 4: he was working with a whole you know, network.
Speaker 3: Of other Arabs. You know a lot of them Palestinians.
Speaker 4: You know that we're living here and and you know,
Speaker 4: part of that official narrative, it tries to make it
Speaker 4: appear like, well, these guys were living here, but they
Speaker 4: fought in the Afghan War.
Speaker 3: N they didn't.
Speaker 4: There's only one of them that did, and he was Egyptian.
Speaker 4: All the other guys that are Palestinians, No, they didn't.
Speaker 2: And they held the case of Zacharias Mussali, which I
Speaker 2: think you covered in one of your videos as well,
Speaker 2: didn't you.
Speaker 4: Well, zacharaiz Massali. I did cover a little bit in
Speaker 4: my Boston Logan film. But but zachariaz Massali is something
Speaker 4: I am including in my Nick Berg book because nick
Speaker 4: Berg had well apparently that Zachar Massali had his password
Speaker 4: to use to his laptop or to his computer at
Speaker 4: the college in Oklahoma. But it's a little bit more backwards.
Speaker 4: I've actually done a lot more research and it's kind
Speaker 4: of vice versa. It's I don't want to spoil that,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I've covered Massali pretty in depth written wise
Speaker 4: so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I just wanted to bring it up because
Speaker 2: I know that it's It's always been a curious thing
Speaker 2: for me how this guy gets involved, because he's like
Speaker 2: almost like that old Sesame Street thing, like which one
Speaker 2: of these things doesn't belong with the other. He always
Speaker 2: came up, you know, the twentieth hijacker. Here he is,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, how does this guy even fit in?
Speaker 2: I'd never understood that, So, yeah.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Well, well one of my other you know
Speaker 4: what you were saying, asking like, you know, what's the
Speaker 4: difference even with my research. Well, you know, the difference
Speaker 4: with my research is that, you know, Zacharis Massali, you know,
Speaker 4: he may have been the twentieth hijacker, but there was
Speaker 4: a twenty first, a twenty second, a twenty third, a
Speaker 4: twenty fourth, a twenty fifth. I could keep going on
Speaker 4: and on, because the reality of the cover up, you know,
Speaker 4: besides everything else, but besides, if you just want to
Speaker 4: focus on the Twin Towers, the reality of the cover
Speaker 4: up is that there were supposed to be numerous other
Speaker 4: flights that were supposed to be hijacked on nine to eleven,
Speaker 4: and for whatever reason, there's plenty of plenty of plenty
Speaker 4: of scenarios why they didn't happen, but they did not happen.
Speaker 4: But when the airports reopened up two days later on
Speaker 4: September thirteenth, they tried to hijack planes again. And this
Speaker 4: was completely covered up throughout all the media. They were
Speaker 4: reporting it. They were reporting it from the afternoon all
Speaker 4: the way until the next morning. Early morning September fourteenth,
Speaker 4: they were saying that there were arrests at JFK Airport
Speaker 4: and LaGuardia Airport with people with weapons, you know, airplane
Speaker 4: uniform you know, I'm sorry, pilot uniforms or you know,
Speaker 4: airline uniforms and stuff like that. And then it just
Speaker 4: like went away, and then they made up all these
Speaker 4: excuses or said that they you know that was there
Speaker 4: was miss it was all misreporting.
Speaker 2: Well it wasn't, yeah, but on some level, you do
Speaker 2: know that there was some misreporting. Like for instance, I
Speaker 2: remember the day of they had absolutely confirmed that there
Speaker 2: was a bombing on the ground at the US Capitol
Speaker 2: and that was after you know, the strike on the Pentagon,
Speaker 2: and they were saying, and there's also been a bomb
Speaker 2: at the US Capitol and there may be more car
Speaker 2: bombs in the area and they're evacuating, and I went, whoa, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, I was, I was, you know, getting this
Speaker 2: information in real time on that day and I remember stuff.
Speaker 2: And then they were like, okay, sorry, there wasn't a
Speaker 2: bombing on the ground.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, but that they squashed that with it
Speaker 4: and that only lasted for about an hour. I actually
Speaker 4: covered that pretty much in depth with my uh uh
Speaker 4: explosives on the George Washington Bridge. That was another one,
Speaker 4: which is which is one that people really need to
Speaker 4: see because what I do is I debunk Ryan Dawson's
Speaker 4: one of his big claims, which he's put out on
Speaker 4: his film's Empire Unmasked and especially War by Deception, is
Speaker 4: that he tries to make this appearance that there were
Speaker 4: all these numerous Israeli moving vans and one with explosives
Speaker 4: on the George Washington Bridge. No, No, there wasn't, There
Speaker 4: was no van. What it was it's misreporting on the
Speaker 4: dancing Israelis they were, and it's it takes a lot
Speaker 4: for me to like pull it apart and explain how
Speaker 4: the misreporting happens. But when you when you realize when
Speaker 4: you go to the source of the first reporter who
Speaker 4: started that which all the other mainstream networks started repeating,
Speaker 4: it starts with Marsha Kramer from CBS two when she
Speaker 4: said that got this report she was she was basically
Speaker 4: getting it through secondhand sources, probably likely from a police
Speaker 4: because she was stationed at the Police Academy in Manhattan,
Speaker 4: you know where they were doing all the city press
Speaker 4: conferences from the afternoon.
Speaker 2: Well and back then. A lot of reporters definitely used
Speaker 2: the police scanners to try and follow what was going
Speaker 2: on on the ground because there was a lot of
Speaker 2: chaos and that was in real time. Matter of fact,
Speaker 2: one of your members' only videos is called what Happened
Speaker 2: to the Urban Moving Systems hard Drives? Which I just
Speaker 2: posted the link to in the chat over at Ocelli
Speaker 2: dot com and I'll put it in with the links
Speaker 2: over on the on the show notes. But you have
Speaker 2: a members section, can you tell people about that real
Speaker 2: quick too, because I want people to explore your stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sorry, you've been going through a lot of
Speaker 4: struggles and stuff with YouTube, Like you were saying, and stuff,
Speaker 4: you know, And yeah, I mean, I don't know how,
Speaker 4: Like I had monetization a long time ago, and then
Speaker 4: it went away for like, I don't know, five years,
Speaker 4: but then this past year they gave it to me.
Speaker 4: And I took a lot of videos off because I
Speaker 4: had a lot of things that were just news archives.
Speaker 4: But I kept most of the stuff that was my material,
Speaker 4: and I kept a few things that just have too
Speaker 4: many views, like I have. I don't know why it
Speaker 4: got this many views, but I've got the news clip
Speaker 4: of Trump, you know, three days after nine to eleven,
Speaker 4: He's being interviewed by MSNBC on on Ground zero and
Speaker 4: for some reason, it's got five million views. And I
Speaker 4: think it was because a Trump campaign must have posted
Speaker 4: it back when he was running, right because and so
Speaker 4: I leave that there, and I you know, and I
Speaker 4: leave you know, I even have a PBS documentary on
Speaker 4: on on Andrew Jackson, and it's got three million views,
Speaker 4: you know, and because I'm the only one that has it,
Speaker 4: and PBS doesn't really do any copyright issues and stuff.
Speaker 4: So you know, yeah, I've got that, and I took
Speaker 4: I took down a lot of stuff, and you know,
Speaker 4: I was playing by the rules. And since you know,
Speaker 4: since I'm only covering nine to eleven and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: you know I don't I don't cover other events, you know,
Speaker 4: other other stories, and you know, other topics you know
Speaker 4: I'm not covering you know, COVID. I wasn't covering any
Speaker 4: of that kind of stuff. And yeah, you know a
Speaker 4: lot of people lost their channels over that. I mean
Speaker 4: they even, you know, they if you even talk about it,
Speaker 4: they've already got some program on YouTube, you know, filtering out.
Speaker 4: If they you know, you know they hear you even
Speaker 4: say that, say it, don't flag it. You know, they
Speaker 4: won't allow you to have it, or they give you
Speaker 4: a strike.
Speaker 2: Absolutely that Absolutely, that happens all the time. Matter of fact,
Speaker 2: You've got a couple of sections. While you did take
Speaker 2: care of that phone real fast, no no problem. Urban
Speaker 2: Truth or nine to eleven myth film series is one
Speaker 2: of the sections there. You also have the hidden path
Speaker 2: to nine eleven World Trade Center bombing of nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 2: which we talked about a little earlier, false flag terrorism
Speaker 2: cover ups, and missing links. A few other sections in here,
Speaker 2: just to highlight them real fast. Let's see, you have
Speaker 2: debunking hoax and junk science theories of the nine eleven truth. Yeah,
Speaker 2: these playlists. I'm just pointing out a couple of things
Speaker 2: on your channel for people that are interested. But so
Speaker 2: you have a members section now where people can sign
Speaker 2: up in that way, you're gonna cut down.
Speaker 3: They gave me. They they offered it to me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, I try it because I'm you know,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty content with you know, with Patreon to me,
Speaker 4: to be honest, I only got maybe six or seven
Speaker 4: member YouTube memberships. But some people don't want to bother
Speaker 4: and join Patreon, you know, so they just pay because
Speaker 4: of whatever they're paying for their regular YouTube or whatever
Speaker 4: whatever account that whatever you subscription they have or whatever.
Speaker 4: But they gave it to me, and I'm you know,
Speaker 4: I post some of my stuff that's on Patreon, but
Speaker 4: they still have the copyright issues, so there's still you know,
Speaker 4: for people. You know, yeah, I would still recommend to
Speaker 4: be my Patreon versus paying YouTube membership, because yeah, I
Speaker 4: have more stuff on Patreon because YouTube's still giving you
Speaker 4: the copyright stuff even if you do membership.
Speaker 2: Right, So you know, I'm like, no, fair enough, and
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna also post a link to your Patreon
Speaker 2: in with the show notes here, because people should go
Speaker 2: ahead and support your work if they want to see
Speaker 2: this really interesting, in depth stuff that's not being you know,
Speaker 2: handled and censored all over the place. This is where
Speaker 2: you go and get it. So I just want to
Speaker 2: let people know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well, but the point being is that, you know,
Speaker 4: why why isn't my channel tooken down? You know, because
Speaker 4: there's a lot of nine to eleven ones taken down. Well,
Speaker 4: the simple answer is is that I don't advocate hoaxes,
Speaker 4: you know, because it's the whole thing with Sandy Hook.
Speaker 4: You know, they they take everything down that that tries
Speaker 4: to say it was a conspiracy or it was a
Speaker 4: hoax or whatever, and they pretty much play the same
Speaker 4: rules when it comes to nine to eleven. Now, I
Speaker 4: think there's some acceptances like, yeah they may. I think
Speaker 4: they still allow you to still allow lose change on there,
Speaker 4: which you know, they advocate hoaxes too. But I think
Speaker 4: it's the whole popular thing, and I think it's because
Speaker 4: you got to pay now to watch it, because they
Speaker 4: got that rental thing going on on YouTube as well.
Speaker 2: Exactly. That's the thing is if they can actually monetize
Speaker 2: it for gotube, okay, because it's Google. If they can
Speaker 2: monetize it for gotube, or you can monetize it separately,
Speaker 2: they lay off. It's that simple, So you know that's
Speaker 2: the way to go. I just didn't know that at
Speaker 2: the time when I was getting hit with everything, and
Speaker 2: every time I posted a show, I was getting hit
Speaker 2: for things that didn't even make sense. But look, I
Speaker 2: don't want to keep you all day, So let's try
Speaker 2: and tie a bow around all this and give people
Speaker 2: an idea. We're giving them some very interesting ways that
Speaker 2: you're very different from the average nine to eleven percenter.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you taking the time to do this
Speaker 2: and putting up with me going through the news too.
Speaker 2: But hey, look, I'm trying to have a little fun
Speaker 2: with this, right, But let's kind of tie a bow
Speaker 2: on it. What would you say to people like if
Speaker 2: they've never seen your stuff or you know, why is
Speaker 2: it that I should dive back into this? I'm still
Speaker 2: interesting nine to eleven. I want to see new and
Speaker 2: different information. What is it that gets you, you know,
Speaker 2: get them from here to there? How is it that
Speaker 2: they want to come in and check out your stuff?
Speaker 2: Tell us.
Speaker 4: Why because it's uh, you know, because I'm you know,
Speaker 4: I'm offering something that still does not it does not
Speaker 4: comply with the official story.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: There might be some things that are true within the
Speaker 4: nine to eleven Commission report, but there's a lot of
Speaker 4: things that are just absolutely wrong, and and they're just
Speaker 4: it's just, you know, they covered it up for a
Speaker 4: numerous reasons, right, Uh, you know, my work, I guess
Speaker 4: it's just well, look, I do focus a lot on
Speaker 4: the mozadd I do, like I said before, but you know,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to you know, and trying to reveal to
Speaker 4: people that, yeah, this was a bigger you know, this
Speaker 4: was a bigger operation, and they you know, yeah, and
Speaker 4: of course the war on terror was bogus, you know,
Speaker 4: they we went all the way to Afghanistan, you know,
Speaker 4: and yet while we had all these people in prison
Speaker 4: here and unfortunately a lot of them were very likely guilty,
Speaker 4: you know, Uh, and uh, they let them go. And
Speaker 4: you know, they our investigation was basically bombing Afghanistan and
Speaker 4: not even investigating the people were that were here arrested,
Speaker 4: and some of them were let go, you know, within
Speaker 4: two or three years because they had they had also
Speaker 4: convictions for other crimes.
Speaker 3: They were doing other you know, legal things. Right.
Speaker 4: So now those people went to Guantanel Mobay. But these
Speaker 4: people they they picked out out of Afghanistan, sure did.
Speaker 4: And they had, you know, they had another FBI dragnet
Speaker 4: going on in Europe because of the Hamburg cell, you know.
Speaker 3: So, uh, what happened with all of that?
Speaker 4: Everybody just you know, it just went away and then
Speaker 4: I don't know, it just all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 4: we're in Iraq, you know, a year later, and that's
Speaker 4: that's proven not to be a link at all, Right,
Speaker 4: and uh, it's you know, it's I can get I
Speaker 4: can keep going on and on about this.
Speaker 2: Oh, I got you. And look there's the whole weapons
Speaker 2: mass destruction thing you know, that went on. And quite frankly,
Speaker 2: I've had people on this show that you know, wound
Speaker 2: up getting basically getting railroaded. I had, you know, former
Speaker 2: General Janis Karpinsky on this show. I had witnesses that
Speaker 2: claimed that, you know, there were chemical weapons in Iraq. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's just that they were hidden because guess what it
Speaker 2: would have traced back to too many important people in
Speaker 2: the US. And of course that was all as sham
Speaker 2: and you know, meant to be held out there as
Speaker 2: the new need to attack these people over there was
Speaker 2: their reason to you know, consider them guilty of certain
Speaker 2: things maybe, but not the crimes you were told about,
Speaker 2: you know. And here we go. So there's still people
Speaker 2: to be held accountable, and there's still agencies and governments
Speaker 2: to be held accountable quite literally for this which was
Speaker 2: no matter any way you slice it, a crime, uh,
Speaker 2: and many many crimes indeed that occurred on Stember eleventh,
Speaker 2: two thousand and one.
Speaker 4: Would you agree with that absolutely? Absolutely? Yes, yes, we
Speaker 4: never Yeah, there's there's a lot of blame with our
Speaker 4: government the way they handle it. That's for damn sure.
Speaker 2: Well our government be held Yes, our government and some others,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Some others maybe it does.
Speaker 4: They have had a deeper role and may have knew
Speaker 4: exactly what was going to happen, or we're counting on it.
Speaker 2: Right, And all bucks don't necessarily stop with Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 2: although some might, some might, but do they all stop there?
Speaker 2: Not necessarily, So there you go. So I leave it
Speaker 2: at that for tonight. And I think we've given people
Speaker 2: a good reason to go check out your work, and
Speaker 2: hopefully you'll get a couple of new signups and Patreon
Speaker 2: out of this at least. And look, anytime you want
Speaker 2: to come on and talk about a specific issue, we
Speaker 2: can focus on it. But I thought this would be
Speaker 2: good to just reintroduce you to people because you were
Speaker 2: on a long time ago, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so I was on. I think one
Speaker 4: of your affiliates. I think, wasn't I one of the
Speaker 4: other guys that you might have been.
Speaker 2: Might have been that, or it might have been I
Speaker 2: produced a couple of shows had you. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but either way, I know that I definitely found your
Speaker 2: work interesting because it wasn't you know, one of two things,
Speaker 2: which was either let me go for the craziest thing
Speaker 2: nobody died there were no planes, or hey, let me
Speaker 2: just scream about the Jews for an hour, you know.
Speaker 2: And I just I can't do it, man, I just
Speaker 2: I can't do it.
Speaker 19: You know.
Speaker 2: Come come to me with evidence, come to me with research,
Speaker 2: Come to me with something unique, and don't just tell
Speaker 2: me that you know, you saw news reports and you
Speaker 2: heard the same phrase repeated and that's your evidence. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: it's not good enough. You got to go past that
Speaker 2: could it be indicators? Yes, but that's not the end
Speaker 2: of the trail. Just like I said, there's still people
Speaker 2: to be held accountable for this. And even though it's
Speaker 2: been almost god almost twenty five years now, I mean,
Speaker 2: we're gonna come up on twenty fourth anniversary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, oh, I mean tomorrow. You know what tomorrow is,
Speaker 4: Go ahead, tell us it's it's it's gonna be the
Speaker 4: anniversary of the killing of Osama bin Laden.
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, yep, we got it. We got him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: did we?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Look, and I'm not even used to we didn't, but
Speaker 4: I think we did. But it but it tells you
Speaker 4: a lot about what the Bush administration was focused on.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: See, here's the scary thing is, I'm also not one
Speaker 2: of these guys who screams automatically everything is fake, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because everything isn't. You can't propagandize people with absolute fiction.
Speaker 2: It doesn't work. You have to have some reality mixed
Speaker 2: in there so they can lie to you some of
Speaker 2: the time in order to lie to you all of
Speaker 2: the time. You know, they keep you away from the
Speaker 2: truth absolutely, But they can't do it with cartoons always.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't work. So anyway, that's the way I
Speaker 2: see it. DJ Thermal Detonator, So you know, I advise
Speaker 2: you to follow him on Twitter, check out his channel,
Speaker 2: sign up, get into his work, and you also take
Speaker 2: feedback about your work, I'm sure as well, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely leave comments, we know if Yeah, I
Speaker 4: definitely respond to all my Patreon messages and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you have any how much even Twitter?
Speaker 2: How much does it cost to sign up at Patreon?
Speaker 3: By the way, Uh, you can get in for three bucks.
Speaker 2: Three bucks? Okay, so for three bucks a month you
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