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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pecanana Show.

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Thomas is here. We're going to go into part two

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of Eric Hobsbaum. Are you doing Thomas, I know it

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pretty well. Thanks for hosting me, of course. So what

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are we going to look into today when it comes

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to mister Hobsbam.

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Speaker 2: I was going to expand upon his historical perspective and

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why in substance terms he opposed the schismatics, the schismatic

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tendency is, and the standard bearers of those things. After

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nineteen sixty eight, people have very superficial understanding of Mersus

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Leninism and of what Sovietism was generally. You know, That's

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why I object a lot of people banning the phrase

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cultural Marxism, like there's an appropriate context to apply that phraseology.

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I'm not going to say there's not, but generally people

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don't apply it in those contexts, and they seem to

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discern anything or identify anything that's at all like radical

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or you know, progressive and orientation or that's related to

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the ongoing social engineering regime and like the paradigm that

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he gives rise to in like discursive terms, that's identify

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that as Marxism. I mean, that's that's grossly incorrect, you know,

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And it's I'm not just playing word games or being

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like a pedant or something, you know, it's important to

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be clear about what we're talking about. Particularly we're dealing

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with something as kind of abstract and conceptual as political theory,

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you know, and a guy like Hobbs will almost a

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real Marxist, you know, and he actively disdained the standard

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bearers of the sorts of tendencies I just mentioned, you know,

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not because he was like a good guy, you're because

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he was correct in his assessment of historical phenomenon and

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the approximate causes of you know, these punctuated developments in

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the twentieth century. But he did have certain insights into

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historical processes. You know. He's the one who coined the phrase,

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the quote quote the short century to refer to the

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twentieth century. I mean, Nolty agreed with it, you know,

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the short century being the cycle of events that were

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emerged in nineteen fourteen and that ended on November ninth,

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nineteen eighty nine, you know, contra the long century, you

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know of after water after Waterloo until nineteen fourteen, I

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mean after Waterloo, other than the Crimean War and the

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Franco Prussian War, both of which were very localized conflicts

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and both of which were brief and neither of which

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really had some destructive impactfulness at scale on the continent.

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One of the reasons why so many mercenaries from Europe

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fought in the War between the States, and even you know,

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Henry Henry Werez, the commandant of Andersonville, who was unceremoniously hanged.

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That's a that's a really grim and macabre story, everything

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about Andersonville and his demise. But he was a Swiss

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national who found his way in the United States, you know,

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because that's where the action was, you know, don't get

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me wrong, Like all kinds of punctuated things were happening

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in Europe of a technological nature, of a developmental nature,

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but like power political affairs weren't really happening there, you know,

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I mean, and and if you take a long view, yes, okay,

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that kind of thing is always underway. But in Warren

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peace terms, there were not punctuated crises. There were not

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you know, crisis modalities that were emerging that you know,

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generated a need for men under arms and men of

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adjacent sorts of skill sets, you know, to participate in

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in those sorts of those sorts of uh happenings. But

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in America, obviously you better believe that was underway, and

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it's this is a tangent. I'll make it brief. But

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you know McLellan who was famously sex by Lincoln, you know,

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and he you know, Lincoln, I'm paraphrasing what you know.

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Lincoln famisly said, you know, I've got I've got a

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commanding general who refuses to assault, you know. And uh

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so his detractors and not just among not just among

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radical reformers and abolitionists, but even pretty moderate people either

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band they brand him some kind of coward who was

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like afraid of being under fire or this, or he

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was some kind of like secret copper head. He was

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in neither of those things. He'd been on the ground

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in primea because before the up in the States kicked off.

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Other than the Indian Wars, which were utterly savage, but

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we're not. But in scope and scale, we're very limited,

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you know, other than that like conventional combined ours what

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was then emerging combined arms, you know, indirect fire like

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the only way you really I mean liaising with foreign

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militaries was like something that was done in the Western

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world anyway. But it's also like if you wanted to,

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you know, if you wanted to if you wanted to

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cut your teeth in a combat zone. You know McClellan's generation, Well,

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you went to Europe, you know, you drilled with the Prussians,

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or you know, you you were ear liaison to the

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French or the British. And McClelland saw what was happening

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on the ground in Crimea, and you saw like master

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artillery and what it was doing to the human body.

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And he's like, this is horrific. So he's like, if

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we if we we started, if we start, if we

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start cavalry charging like masks, Confederate artillery, like, this is

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gonna be a slaughter. And that's what happened, you know.

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But uh, this is sort of an aside with any event,

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you know. Uh, to bring it back to where we

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should be at. I I did it right up years

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back of Paul Godfrey's talk and his paper. You know

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how the left won the Cold War? Because the left

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did win the Cold War. The people like Hobsbaum lost

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the Cold War, you know, the standard bearers of Sovietism

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and of Uh. I don't think Hosmam was a Stalinist

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in the sense that somebody like Dougan kind of is

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or in the way more and more properly. He's not

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a Stalinists in the way that guys like Jackson Hinkle are.

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But I mean he wasn't He wasn't opposed to that

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tendency either, you know. And like we got into he stated,

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and know un certain terms, you know, after after the

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Ennergerm and border came down, that you know, whatever happened

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in the Soviet Union, but it had the had the

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Communist revolution been realized, it would have been worth it

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in his opinion, you know. And that's so he was.

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He was honest about, you know, about that perspective. And

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I mean that's the way every that's the way every

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Marcist Leninists thought, you know, and and such that they

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still exist today. I don't think guys like Hankle when

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like the kind of reconstituted American Communist Party they've always

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got a presence on the East Coast. These days, they're

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distinct from like whatever this vestigial Communist Party USA, which

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are just like a bunch of liberals who don't know

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what the fuck they're talking about. But kind of like

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the reconstituted American Communist Party, I mean, they believe that too,

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dialectical offshoot of what was the Marcus Lennon's perspective. I

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think that they uh, I think they're big on guys

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like Emmanuel Wallerstein and like they they subscribed like global

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systems theory, which is serious stuff. But but they are

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like Stalinists, like they don't you know, they're they tolerate

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religious people these days, they're not they're not these like

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doctrinal atheists who view themselves as being at war with

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established churches and things like, they're tolerant to that, but

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they're they remain like atheistic. But what was it matter

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if you killed twenty million people to advance, uh, you

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know the realization of true communism, Like it doesn't matter

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because well you know that that that's that's just creative

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destruction and and human if humans are just so much

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mentioned material, admittedly more valuable than you know, animal livestock

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or material things that may be as they may be there,

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there's still just like so much you know, material, you know,

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and that uh, that's important to keep in mind. I mean,

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I'm not not just I'm not being you know, I'm

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not I'm not like moralizing her, saying like, and this

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is why the Communists are a bunch of slavery beast.

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I think that their worldview, in addition to being kind

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of laughably up to and it's there. Yeah, I I

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believe it's like highly crr up morally, But that's that's

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not at base. It's not really why people like me

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like object to their perspective, you know. But at the

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same time, you know, I uh, for some reason, the

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kinds of people people looks like Chompsky all the time.

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And don't get me wrong, like I think Chomsky wrote

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some pretty good stuff on linguistics and he he he uh,

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he'd be pretty handily treated people like Fuco who considered

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to be kind of un serious degenerates. But I mean Chompsky.

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Chompsky's basically like a moral lier and a polemicist, and

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I don't think he's got to really develop view of

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political theory. But I mean, I mean guys on the right,

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or at least guys kind of adjacent, they don't have

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to say Chomsky, but then they act like I'm some

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weirdo where like it's being like devy and my side

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hobbsbamb you know, like Howsong was a serious historian man

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like unlike Chompsky, he like drops polemic about like, you know,

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America is doing mean things, but the and like donomy wrong,

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like America is there to be savage but the day Chompsky,

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you know, he's he comes off like some handwringing old woman.

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real political theorist, you know, like it's I don't. It's

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not just me kind of guarding my own proverbial wheelhouse.

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I you know, at the level of deep analysis like

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nol Tine Hosbaum and like economy, political economs like Joseph Schumpeter,

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the sence of insights, they were cable of like in

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the moment, most people can't do that, you know. And

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I meet a lot of guys whoever this idea that

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you know, oh, you're like a mathematician or like you

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sell insurance, or like you're you know, some kind of

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molecular biologists, but oh, anybody you can have a take

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on political theory. It's like what the fuck are you

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talking about? You know? And that's these guys that went

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no insight. It's not even made like IQ man, Like

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these guys are like way smarter than I am, you know,

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and but they they're but they're like conceptually illiterates because

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they can't discern the relevant patterns and things, you know,

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like it's it's not like an intelligence thing. Yeah, I

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don't think you can.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I accuse of religion now on the right,

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on some parts of the right. I mean, if you

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mentioned IQ and you do anything to like take one

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step to say, well, you know, it really doesn't matter

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with this, they just oh, that's cope.

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Speaker 2: That's cope.

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Speaker 1: Bro, that's cope.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, they're retards and that's like outmoded thinking, you know,

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Like I always making the point like Bill Gates, I

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guarantee you as a higher IQ than Muhammad, Cromwell, Napoleon

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or Hitler. He's also like a total shithead. He's totally

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devoid of any creativity and in some ways as the

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fucking idiots and like nobody is gonna die for Bill Gates, Okay,

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I mean it's like, okay, great, Like there's some there's

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some Chinese guy who like faint have you ever saw

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like a girl naked and lives with his mommy, and

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he's got an IQ of like two hundred. Okay, that's awesome.

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If I need somebody to do like math problems nobody

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can do, I'll hire him to do that. But I

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don't understand why I should give a fuck, you know,

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like it's basically you know what IQ is, man, IQ

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is a it's like it's it's cold war managerialism, whereby

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it's like, look, we basically like like we need like

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widget makers, and we need guys who manage the widget factory,

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and we need some criteria where can identify people who

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below a certain threshold are basically subnormal and useless. That's

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what IQ is. It's not like you know, oh, if

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you're like Q was this high, you know you're you're

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you're gonna like lead like a revolution and conquer the

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Arabian Peninsula. Or if like your IQs like within these parameters,

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like you're Adoff Hitler or I mean it's fucking retarded,

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like it doesn't and I mean for people I even

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meaning some v measy and sort of like that, and

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it's like you're basically taking you're basically taking, uh, this

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kind of ridiculous sort of like bureaucrats fetis from the

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public school system and like deciding it's like some like

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holy criteria, like and they don't even realize that's what

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they're doing. So but yeah, we'll get into the substance

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of what we need to talk about today. I uh,

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I didn't mean to uh whip off about uh about tangents,

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but I made the point before. You know, Hobsbam, he

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talked a lot about the origins of nationalism. And to clarify,

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because I don't want people jumping over my shit. We're

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not talking about believing in one's ethnos, we're not talking

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about caring about your race, We're not talking about any

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of that. We're talking about this kind of like progressive

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modernist like political modality, like organizing modality called nationalism, which

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is a base of liberal idea. And it basically arbitrarily says,

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you know, kind of the classical view of sovereignty, whether

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it invests in like a royal dynasty or whether it

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invests in you know, you know, men who are kind

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of like you know, for all part, permsons an elected

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king by the police. In lieu with that, it says,

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like all these people in this geographic area who happen

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to have linguistic fluency, and like we've declared the national dialect.

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You're part of this nation now, you know, it doesn't

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matter what religion you are, It doesn't matter where your

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loyalties lie in terms of things that supersede you know,

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administrative politics. This is just like the French nation, or

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this is the Polish nation. And famously Hitler said that

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was about the biggest obstacle to Germany being able to

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project power on the world stage. It's people internalize this

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nonsense and it became this kind of like self defeating imperative,

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like whereby people mired in this kind of alienated circumstance

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wrought by industrial urban modernity, they kind of like clung

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to this idea of like a nationalist like political model.

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And again we're not talking about real belief in one's ethnos,

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We're talking about a contrivance, you know, and the and

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it's also Habswam made the point and we're so made

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the same point. Nationalism it based as individualistic. It emerged

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as a liberal idea and entailed the notion of okay,

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here's this nation based on these arbitrary criteria that generally

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have to do with the ability to communicate and mutual intelligibility.

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But it's made up in the estimation of people who

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contry tribe, of the cityology of individual citizens, and every

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individual is recognized by the nation, you know, as as

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some kind of like sovereign decision maker unto himself, like

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obviously rubber meets the road, and nobody abides that who's

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actually in power. But that's the theory, and that's kind

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of like the moral mythology of it. You know, this

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is extremely at odds with the past. You know, where

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your responsibility was to your monarch or to the local

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lord and above him and ultimately like to you know,

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your your faith and the representatives of your confessional heritage

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and your rights and privileges accrued from your profession or

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from you know, these social and collective or corporate corporative

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groups that you belong to. You know, the whole point

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in nationalism is it tears all that down, know, these

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kind of natural ancient communitarian bonds. No, no, no, that's

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the illegitimate. Now you're just an individual, but you're part

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of this body politic because you happen to speak French

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or you happen to speak Polish, or like, you know,

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you happen to be somebody who speaks like High German,

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but you live in Belgium. Like that's that's what we're

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talking about. That's what he was talking about, you know.

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And that's Cobsbomb's take, which is well placed, was that

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conservatism is just it's just like it's just like liberal individualism.

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That's basically a kind of class war against aristocracy by

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like a thirsty and kind of covetist like capitalist class

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go on to like discredit everything that came before, say no, no, no,

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all these things that are important, you know, relating to

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national identity, like we're the ones who are the managers

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those things, and you know, everybody's an individual, but you

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need us to like guard these individ dual rights. Like

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that's what nationalism is in the capital in sense it's

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not saying I don't want to live in multiculturalism. It's

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not saying I'm proud to be white. It's not saying,

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you know, I want my country to be owners and Catholic.

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There has nothing to do with it. Nothing, And that's

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one of the reasons why these quote unquote nationalist governments

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they like never lead anything, you know, and the moment

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they go away, you know what little kind of concessions

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there were, the kind of preserving normalcy, just like evapellites,

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because it's a it's a house, it's a paper house,

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you know. And Hobsbaum was very big on what he

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called the Dual Revolution, I mean, my stay was big

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on it. I mean he identified he identified the dual

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Revolution as a historical phenomenon that came to shape governmental

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imperatives and came to kind of frame everything related to,

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you know, the political sphere of activity, both you know,

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in theoretical capacities as well as in terms of praxis

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and what actually developed. Like what do you mean by

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the Dual Revolution specifically? And as we got into it

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before last time, and we're talking about Hobbsbom's kind of

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like four value magnum opus, you know, dealing with the

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age of the Age of revolution between seventeen eighty nine

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eighteen forty eight, House Slump's take is that, okay, you know,

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the Jacob Revolution and all this kind of radicalism and

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all this all this abhieval you know, He's like that

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was inextricably bound up with like technological and economic changes

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that they constituted this kind of grand future shock, you know,

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really like the first industry revolution. So is that you

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can't extricate these things. You know that they're very Marxist

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lenin this view of it, but they're not wrong. You

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can't really you can't really identify like what came first

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or what was the prime move on. It was both

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of these things, you know, kind of like inextricably tethered

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doing another a combination of like dialectical process and conceptual

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activity as well as you know, kind of the the

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binding up of of economic imperatives with political life in

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a way that hadn't happened before. So you know, these

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enlightenment ideas, which on the one hand are kind of

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hollow ideological phraseology, these kinds of you know, democracy like

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but not real democracy like you know, procedural procedural democracy

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like nationalism and liberalism. This kind of stuff gained traction

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because people were getting crushed by these new economic modalities

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that nobody knew how to manage, you know, and old

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wealth was being wiped out hand over fists. Know, so

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there was charaistropic effects to this. So like people looking

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for remedies, you know, they were uniquely susceptible to this

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kind of thought. But they also people develop these kinds

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of ideas based on these disruptions, you know, because they

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were kind of ripped out of environs where they had

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meaningful reference points beyond their own lives, you know, and uh,

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people's lives were comparatively short then, you know, and so

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this this this kind of taken together, this developed its

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own momentum. It was like going the process and an

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animating principle as well as uh, you know, like uh

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a key, like framing a key, framing device of of

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of the zeitgeist, you know. Now, when the French Revolution

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was defeated, you know, and and particularly after you know, Waterloo,

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I because Napoleon, Uh, Napoleon was a lot like Cromwell

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and a lot like Hitler. I agree with Russell Stoffley.

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I think Hitler was more like Mohammed than he was anybody.

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But and Napoleon didn't have that messianic uh sensibility. I'm

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talking in political terms, not in like theological ones. But

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what happened in the I mean, what happened in the

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Reign of Terror and what happened in the aftermath when

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Napoleon literally trying to conquer the continent and you know,

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become Emperor of Europa. The view from what remained like

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the royal courts in Europe, and the view from kind

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of like the nascent political managerial class was this can

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never ever happen again. Okay, So the Congress of Vienna

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Metternich kind of first and foremost among this type, you know,

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kind of like the whole raison deetra of state craft

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became like balance of power, you know e. Michael Jones

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makes the point that all rationalist perspectives partake in some

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way of like Newtonian physics, you know, this kind of

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like perfect balance of like dynamic but totally controlled motion.

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It's more complicated than that, and Jones is its own

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as a very like punitive view of like Newton. I

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don't want to get into that, but he's right about

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what I just indicated, okay. And balance of power politics,

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that's where it comes from, okay, And that's why it's

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misguided when a lot of these people it's kind of

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like the mantra of the midwidth that oh, Churchill wasn't crazy,

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and Churchill wasn't totally corrupted you know by alien interests.

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He was just trying to maintain the balance of power

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and no European power can become too strong. That's not

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at all what he was doing, and that was obsolete

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anyway by the twentieth century. That got shot to pieces

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in nineteen fourteen, and nobody thought that way anymore, okay,

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And that's why the reason why it was apocalyptic thinking

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came about in the twentieth century because what had been

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the return to like rationalist normalcy. That died in the

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trenches along with millions of guys who got blown to bits.

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It died like buried beneath like the mud and shit

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and all of their body parts. Nobody thought that way,

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And that's not what Churchill was doing. And even if

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it was, that's that that be a ridiculous mission to

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take on in nineteen thirty nine, It would make no sense.

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But that's the uh that's the source of this kind

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of like reactionary stance, and Haslam calls it reactionary equals

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the Metrinage perspective reactionary because it's not truly conservative. It's

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literally a reaction it's saying, how do we deal with

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future shock? How do we deal with the disruption of

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this kind of like rational balancing of furies. How do

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we restore something manageable and something that is primarily governed

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by reason? You know, here is how we do it.

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We do it by like managing power, you know, like

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it's some kind of like it like it's some kind

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of quantity of energy. You know, they can be like

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redirected or kind of purpose towards this or you know,

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almost like an engineering problem. Okay, that's that's what is

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meant by reactionary. Because it was a nobody, not Metterniche,

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not the people at the Congress of Vienna, not not

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you know, not the people who later opposed the eighteen

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forty eight revolutions. Nobody was saying, we're gonna go back

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to having you know, like a king holds absolute sovereignty.

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Nobody was saying, we're gonna go back to you know,

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the pope being the true like Emperor of Europe is

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God's emissari. Nobody was saying that It wasn't even they

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would have like scoffed at that prospect, but it wasn't

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even within their contemplation. You know, it was a reaction okay,

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and the fact that it had some trappings of what

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came before that really had more to do with an

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interest in stability moving forward and like Enlightenment ideology, conceptual

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biases than it did with any like, oh, we gotta

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guard tradition and we got to guard like the organic

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basis of national life or so this is really important. Okay,

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This is one of the reasons I cite Hosbo because

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conservatives are not aditionalists. They're not trying to like preserve

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like the integrity of your race, if that's important to

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you or whatever. They're not trying to that. They're not

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they're not trying to undo modernity. They're not trying to

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I mean, I'm not even saying that's good, but that

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they're not doing that. You know, they're they're they're they're

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arch modernists. They're arch modernist liberals who are trying to

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manage revolutionary imperatives and stop them from happening. Whether they're

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from the left or whether they're from the right, you know,

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no matter where they come from, that is their notion.

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That's why conservatism is bullshit, you know. And this is uh,

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you know again, that's if people, I know, not everybody

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wants to sit around reading political theory like I do.

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But it's like Okay. This is why you should read

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Hobsbaum just as like an educated partisan, Okay, because he's

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right about those things, like his conclusions in terms of

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like applied UH efforts and his his conclusion in terms

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of what's desirable are wrong, but his diagnostic process isn't wrong,

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and his observations aren't wrong. They're generally correct, you know.

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And again the Marxist over emphasize this. But you know,

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the degree and the degree to which suddenly production got

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taken out of like a communitarian shop or like your household,

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to go from being like I'm a farmer and you know,

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I'm a subsistence farmer, but I have enough surplus to

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trade with other farmers, or going from being like a

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blacksmith where you're part of some collective with like three

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other guys and you like make stuff people need. Getting

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ripped out of that and going to work in a

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factory where you're literally pulling a lever or like manhandling

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some dangerous machine for ten hours a day. That's probably

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that's about the most disrupted thing that's ever happened to

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people at scale, you know. And it's and on top

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of that too, the introduction of money at scale like anything,

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all all indicators of wealth that for forty thousand years

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quite literally, like people were habituated to no, no, no, no no.

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Now you get a paper certificate and it's fungible, and

468
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,880
you can find somebody who like has stuff you need,

469
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,799
they'll accept that this is this is insane. This is

470
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:36,720
totally insane, you know. And it took decades for people

471
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,200
to adapt to that, you know, And it really wasn't

472
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:43,000
until people born in the nineteen twenties and thirties were

473
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:46,640
totally habituated to that. But it took that long, you know.

474
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,599
So the degree to which this disrupted everything that everybody

475
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:59,519
had taken for granted and you know, just created unmanageable conditions,

476
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,839
you know, I mean think about too, like trying to

477
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,839
manage economic imperatives. I'm not even talking about a planned economy.

478
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,400
I'm saying just being able to balance the proverbial like

479
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,200
a Ledger Bucks. There's a factory that employs twenty thousand people.

480
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:17,119
I'm using a pencil and paper and an advocates to

481
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,480
try and figure out like what our outlays are, like

482
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:24,359
what we need to produce to be profitable, like what

483
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,599
we need, how much we need to earn to like

484
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,680
stay afloat like what debts we owe to who? At

485
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,880
some point that's going to collapse on itself and people

486
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,720
are gonna starve. And then happened over and over and

487
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:42,960
over again, and most punctuatedly, it happened in a great depression.

488
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,839
And it wasn't because of like bankers or whatever like

489
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,240
von Mesian's think. It was because of what I just said.

490
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:54,400
That could never happen now because it's been rubberized, because

491
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:57,559
data management now it's as simple as turning on a machine.

492
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,359
Now that's incredibly corrupt. People make half with that wealth

493
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,440
is wiped out owing to malfeasans in greed. But there's

494
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,440
not gonna be like the stock market is not going

495
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,279
to plummet five thousand points because of some like air

496
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,920
because of like some accounting error at scale, or because

497
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,480
of like a lack of situational awareness that has like

498
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:24,000
a catastrophic impact that could never happen again. Okay, so

499
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:27,839
when people talk about that, that's stupid. But this was

500
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:32,839
like an everyday reality really from like the close of

501
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:36,359
the eighteenth century until like like really until like the

502
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,079
nineteen seventies, you know what I mean. It's so basically

503
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:42,319
people were like costing on the precipice of some kind

504
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:47,640
of like disaster, you know, and that's why people became communists,

505
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,440
like the man in the street, And that's why guys

506
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,400
like Ernest Tollman, who's kind of the consummate like like

507
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,799
uh like aryan German like Burger type, Like that's why

508
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,400
those guys like fact like like like Factory Floridas beinging

509
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,960
communists like communist iyology and it's it's foundation and like

510
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,599
a Jewish revolutionary spirit or like sectarian antipathy or like

511
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:19,199
ethnosectarian hostility, like yes, that at at scale of at

512
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,360
dialectical scale and process, like yes, that is where it

513
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,039
comes from. But where the rubber meets the road. What

514
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:29,159
I just said is why it became this. There's there's

515
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:33,000
animating imperative that swept up millions and millions of people.

516
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:36,159
Like that's why you know, now it's a bit different.

517
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,239
There's other reasons why. I mean, it would never become

518
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,519
a mass movement again, you know, even though when I

519
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:46,760
say that, like Marxist Leninism or like it's it's dialectically

520
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,039
altered variant. When I say that, it's like enjoy something

521
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:53,920
of resurgence. I mean like in terms of like fringe elements, okay,

522
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,280
and there's like a small, very small and absolute terms

523
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,239
like vanguard of those guys or somewhat in us. They

524
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,800
haven't kind of had their shit together and moving forward

525
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,760
like this century. They were probably able to carve out

526
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,199
some semi sovereign spaces locally, but were small and scale.

527
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,119
But that's what I mean. I don't mean that like, oh,

528
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:13,840
this is resurgent and there'd be like some sort of

529
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,840
highly scaled variant of this again, but one a second,

530
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,960
but Hosbo, I'm also like moving on a bit. You know,

531
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:33,599
all these things, this basic of storicism, this is kind

532
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:38,039
of what there's kind of what separated Hosmon from the schismatics,

533
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:41,599
like initially, okay, because they were always schismatics. I mean,

534
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:45,679
the sixty eight ers were basically the ideological descendants and

535
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,760
Trotsky even I who a lot of them were just

536
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,440
kind of bandwagoning. I didn't realize that's what they were,

537
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:56,840
you know, at the cadre level of of the leadership element.

538
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:05,039
That's what they were about, you know, And uh, this

539
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:13,599
is important and you Hosbom his later his later output,

540
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,079
especially and you know, after people are about forty or fifty,

541
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,159
they don't like really radically change their viewpoint guess what

542
00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:25,800
I mean in a moment in condext But hosbom Uh

543
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,440
his later output in like especially in the nineteen nineties,

544
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,559
it dealt a lot with what he perceived is like

545
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:37,400
cultural decadence, like the kind of corruption is social democracy,

546
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,559
the intellectual and moral poverty of the new left, you know,

547
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:47,039
the ability of capitalism as he perceived it to resist

548
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:53,519
historical processes and endoor beyond in his estimation, it's what

549
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,760
should have been. It's kind of viable, it's sort of

550
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,719
viable life as a conceptual bottle. So people kind of said, like, oh,

551
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,360
haswak again this second bittered old guy after the Cold

552
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,320
War and saying, no, I don't. I don't believe that

553
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,280
he always thought this, But it would have been pointless

554
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,639
to kind of bandy that like during the Cold War,

555
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,320
there was just there just would have been a context

556
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,599
and it would have gone without saying. And also even

557
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:22,800
much as uh like the orthodox left, you know, the

558
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,760
pro Soviet left, much as they kind of despised the schismatics,

559
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,280
I mean they they were they were literally at war

560
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,079
with America and NATO, and it's a Jason Elements. They weren't.

561
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:36,920
They weren't gonna pick like some sectarian fight with a

562
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,320
bunch of sixty eight ers who were like voting in

563
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,840
like the sweetest Green Party. When you know there's there's

564
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,719
a good possibility at some point there's gonna be a

565
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,079
nuclear war with their ops. They're not. That was just

566
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:53,320
was not even within their contemplation. But in uh in

567
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,559
the early nineties, Hosbon dropped a book that's I think

568
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:57,960
this might have been his last. I should know this.

569
00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:00,679
I think this was his last. He wrote say something only,

570
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,400
but I think this is his last, like like published book.

571
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,880
It was called The Age of Extremes, The Short Century.

572
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:14,400
The Short Century nineteen fourteen to nineteen ninety one identify

573
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,159
at the end of the Short Century as nineteen eighty

574
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:18,800
nine Hobbswall nineteen ninety one with the formal dissolution of

575
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,480
the Soviet Union. So over clarity, that's what he meant.

576
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:28,280
But he kind of on popular culture a lot, you know,

577
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,639
and he said, look, he's like in the sixties popular

578
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:35,320
culture totally changed. You were like before that. He's like

579
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,400
the kind of pop culture icons where they were talking

580
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,679
about like pet Boone, or they were talking about John Wayne,

581
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,079
or whether they were talking about somebody like even even

582
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:51,719
somebody like Steve McQueen or or some of these guys,

583
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,079
you know, they they they might have represented kind of

584
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:59,400
adalized vision of Americana. But he's like just and he's

585
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,360
like those very deliberate and there's something very corporate about that.

586
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,159
But at the same time, these kinds of figures and

587
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:09,000
these motifs, they basically mirrored the way that like people

588
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:11,599
had always kind of thought, you know, like simple minds

589
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:14,559
that may be to some people, you know, in the

590
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:21,320
nineteen sixties, the kind of like rock star identity, which

591
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,960
don't get me wrong, had always you know, uh, the

592
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:27,199
reason a lot of like old rock and blues guys

593
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,480
would always talk about selling your soul to the devil

594
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,280
because guys in that life did die young and they

595
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,280
ended up and totally fucked up circumstances. But kind of

596
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,920
like the mass murdering of this to like Bougie's and

597
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,599
like and Lanes, you know, he had tonified like Janis Joppelin,

598
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:47,559
Brian Jones, Bob Marley, you know, and all and all

599
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:51,400
this kind of hippie garbage. You know, he's like, Okay,

600
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,559
these people weren't just viewed as pop culture figures, Like

601
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:58,199
people decided these these people stood in for like literal

602
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,840
cultural icons, you know, the you have, like the kind

603
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,119
of like stereotypical like boomer idiot or things like the

604
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:06,639
Beatles that are like uttering like like sacred truths or something,

605
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:12,119
you know, like and this idea that being old is bad.

606
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,360
You know, life is horrible after you're like twenty eight

607
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:21,199
or thirty, you know, Uh, there's something glorious about not

608
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,880
getting beyond that stage and like dying from partying. You know.

609
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,199
Cosmon View was like, Okay, first of all, this is

610
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,880
a way of kind of like dumbing people down, and

611
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,920
it's it's it's a way of kind of like capitalism

612
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,000
artificially sustaining itself by selling this kind of like lifestyle

613
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:40,159
image that's pretending to be radical or pretending to be

614
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,719
like at odds of what came before, and it is

615
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:47,159
but not in you know, the post seventeen eighty nine sense,

616
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,280
you know. And he said that like this basically, this

617
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,840
kind of passive nihilism turns anybody, turns everybody you know,

618
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,880
basically into sort of like a comatose like consumer, you know,

619
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:02,840
and this kind of contempt for older people. He's like,

620
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,480
you know, if you're gonna say that like everything is

621
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:08,679
shit basically after not ruled by your hormones, and I

622
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,039
don't I don't have content for young people, and I

623
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:13,440
don't think Osmon did either. But he's saying this kind

624
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,480
of caricature of youth I was presented you know by

625
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:21,360
like capitalist media in his estimation. You know, he's like, basically,

626
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,880
you're saying that anyone who has lived long enough and

627
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,559
gonna develop like an evolved in view of what of

628
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:32,559
the system we live under a scale they're bad or

629
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,800
they're like the police, or they're trying to tell you

630
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,599
to do things you don't want to do. So it's

631
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:41,119
kind of just like deliberate dumbing down under auspices of rebellion.

632
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,079
And that's insightful because that really is true and this

633
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,920
kind of weird preaching. You know, these like Rocketbelly guys

634
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:57,599
like Eddie Cochrane, like Elvis, like Buddy Holly, like uh

635
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:01,519
you know, like like like like Richie Valen, these guys

636
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:04,440
weren't trying to sell people on some lifestyle. You know,

637
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,800
they were like poor, They were poor redneck guys in

638
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,760
balance case you know, you're poor, like East La Spanish guys,

639
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,199
you know, and there was a real like energy there.

640
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:15,880
They had kind of a dark side that was exemplified

641
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,559
by people like stark Weather, I mean, unfortunately, but these

642
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:22,840
guys were never going out like preaching some weird sociology

643
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,119
of people that wouldn't even occurred to them, because that's

644
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,880
that's not what musicians do. Like the fact that this

645
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,239
became part of the package in Hobswham's view, that was

646
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,800
totally ideological. You know, that was not some accident. That

647
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,760
wasn't just people in the thing with the zeitgeist. It

648
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,000
wasn't just some kind of weird feedback loop owing to

649
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:47,760
sort of like the integration and narratives because of TV. No,

650
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,199
this was very deliberate, you know. And so in his view,

651
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,920
in his view, like basically American pop culture from about

652
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,480
nineteen sixty four or sixty five to like the then president,

653
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,800
which was like nineteen ninety three when he wrote this,

654
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,559
He's like, this is basically capitalist propaganda, you know. And

655
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:11,079
you obviously in our view it's social engineering. At Hobbs,

656
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:14,039
they picually care about that on its own terms. But

657
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:17,119
again he opposed that stuff because he's like, this is

658
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:19,599
basically trying to get you drunk on sex or taking

659
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:23,920
drugs or like cloud chasing, so that you basically never

660
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,760
mature in like a rational adult and you never contemplate

661
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,880
like why you're in the condition you're in, and you

662
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,719
never contemplate like why there's not like any economic justice

663
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,719
in his view, you know. And again it's these conclusions

664
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,480
really have nothing to do with our perspective. But the

665
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:46,119
process he describes and what these what this sort of

666
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:51,559
like pop cultural uh product represents, Like he is right

667
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,679
about that or he wasn't right about that, you know,

668
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,280
and he and he said this stuff had like real

669
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,400
he said, he said that the true like he said

670
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,480
that was truly different about this this sort of this

671
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:10,280
sort of propaganda as pop culture is threefold. You know.

672
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,599
He's like, first, he's like, youth was always seen, even

673
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,960
even in cultures that like revered youth, if you're talking

674
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,519
about like classical Greece or the Third Reich or even

675
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:21,000
like doing so a Union, it was still vis like

676
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:24,920
a preparatory stage for adulthood in some sense. As you know,

677
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,840
youth is important, the youth are vigorous. We need them

678
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,599
to protect us, to fight our wars, to you know,

679
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,000
develop passionate ideas that they can later build upon and innovate.

680
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,760
But you know, this is important because it's a critical

681
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,400
stage towards the final phase of full human development, that

682
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:45,880
that all was like done away with. It's like, no,

683
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:48,559
youth is some end in itself being old as shit,

684
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:52,719
you know, being a young being a teenager or a

685
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,000
young person, that is the zenith of life, and your

686
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:59,280
life is miserable after that. So you've got to try

687
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,840
and hang out those aspects as much as you can,

688
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,440
whether it's through taking drugs or like you know, including hormones,

689
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,039
whether it's like refusing to get married so you can

690
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:10,800
like have sex a lot of girls, whether it's you know,

691
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:16,440
refusing to behave in a responsible way, whether it's you know,

692
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:20,159
refusing to take on a real political perspective because that's like, oh,

693
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:24,119
that's like, you know, that's that square stuff. This all

694
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,679
is very deliberate, and this is very This is that

695
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,679
odds basy with every human culture that ever existed. Secondly,

696
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,440
it became dominant in market economy. It's like every single

697
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,760
one of them. It's not just like in America or

698
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,280
in the UK, there's this weird kind of youth obsessed

699
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,159
tendency owing to kind of the population boom of World

700
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:48,480
War two. No, this happened like everywhere that America like

701
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:51,440
was able to like plant its footprint. You know, they're

702
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,760
talking about Japan with you know, India, whether you're talking

703
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,880
about you know, France, whether you're talking about you know

704
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,559
that then you know East Block former his block that

705
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:03,840
was like opening up, but you're talking about Finland, where

706
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,280
you're talking about you know, Latin America. That they can't

707
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:14,599
just be like some spontaneous homogenization, okay, like uh, pop

708
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:17,800
colog doesn't just developed this kind of like homogenous ideological

709
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,159
imperative just by complete accidents, especially like pre internet that

710
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:28,199
was that was laughable. And the third thing you identified

711
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,079
was that it became truly international in a way that

712
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:33,559
didn't really make sense. You know. He's like if you

713
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:36,360
take stuff like the Beatles, or if you take stuff

714
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,320
uh you know, like some of these movies that like

715
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:43,320
pop so much on the production code got done away with,

716
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,920
like the graduate. A lot of times stuff will even translated,

717
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:48,719
like people don't even understand like what they were hearing

718
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,280
because it was you know, and it wasn't. It's not

719
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,280
there was some program where you could upload subtitles to

720
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,239
release a movie in India or China. But nevertheless, there

721
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,519
was this constant stream of mostly radio then but also

722
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:08,039
TV and like the richer developing world that said like

723
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:11,599
this is cool, this is how you should be. So

724
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,679
people kind of like ate up the visual aspect and

725
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:20,159
you know, kind of in congress with you know, the

726
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:24,000
the overtly ideological kind of like radio media stuff. There's

727
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,880
all model in radio for Europe of course. You know,

728
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,360
it's like this became this international kind of this became

729
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:40,400
this uniform, ideologically motivated international subculture without even being linguistically diverse,

730
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:46,920
you know. And it was a it's not like no,

731
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:49,599
it's not like this was happening a gunpoint. You know,

732
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:53,480
like it's not like, uh, it's not like American soldiers

733
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,639
were going into like Angola and like blowing away the

734
00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:59,440
guy who ran like the local radio station and saying,

735
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,360
you're gonna listen to this, You're gonna play this. You know,

736
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:06,599
its ability to like insinuate itself kind of along with

737
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,880
you know, the the illusion of wealth. He's like, that's

738
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:16,400
rare in terms of trying to insinuate a social sensibility

739
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:19,320
within people or try to get them to develop sort

740
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,920
of like a covenist sense of self and how they

741
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,159
want their life to be. You know, He's like, that's

742
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,760
kind of strength of capitalism. Capitalism is really, really, really good.

743
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,679
And again I don't use terms of capitalism to describe

744
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:35,159
what he's describing, but we're talking about Hobsbaum, so I'm

745
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,840
using his vernacular. In his view, he said, other ideologies,

746
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,800
whether you're talking about state socialism, you know, whether you're

747
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,679
talking about some kind of a you know, some kind

748
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:50,519
of anti modernist, but at the same time, like futurist fascism,

749
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:56,599
nothing is as effective as this and like insinuating itself globally. Now,

750
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:58,960
this is a buddle of that. Obviously. It's like, well,

751
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,400
you know, if you're dealing with like poor mentioned material,

752
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,039
or you know, if the rest of the world's laying

753
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,320
in ruins and all that exists is of America in

754
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,079
the Soviet Union, as producers of you know, mass culture,

755
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:14,599
you're gonna have perverse outcomes. Yeah, that's true, but that's

756
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:16,639
not really what he's talking about. He's saying, like, in

757
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,679
absolute terms, you wouldn't think that this stuff would have

758
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,960
like gone what we consider it by the face terms

759
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,920
like viral, but he did. And in Hobswong's view, that's

760
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,840
what keeps capitalism alive because it's not like it's not

761
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,360
like there's like great outcomes from people like yeah, if

762
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:39,599
you're in America, you're basically rubberized. If you're like if

763
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:42,639
you're rich comparatively you're middle class or amazing middle class,

764
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,599
you're basically rubberized against like true catastrophes. Now there are

765
00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:48,639
people in America who really struggle, and they are not

766
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,079
but they're not the majority. Hobsam is talking more in

767
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:55,840
terms of like planetary scale most people in the world,

768
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,280
they're not. Really there's nothing to offer you from like

769
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,199
what he called the capitalist system. I mean, yeah, you

770
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,239
can you know, shortages as you may have known in

771
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,000
your lifetime have been largely mitigated. But that probably would

772
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,400
happen in any way. That doesn't explain like why in

773
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:17,559
like in brass Tacks terms, like white people in Africa,

774
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:20,840
white people in Latin America, white people in Asia have

775
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,480
just like internalized this perspective. It doesn't explain why some

776
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,559
like Jackass in Liberia like decided in nineteen ninety five.

777
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:31,039
He wants to be a gangster rapper like that. That

778
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:32,880
doesn't make any sense in terms of kind of most

779
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,280
precedented sociology. I think it makes a lot of sense

780
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,079
according to certain criteria that we're not present before that

781
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:44,800
are a bit outside the scope. But that's kind of

782
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,679
hops On's point, okay. And there were not many true

783
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,119
sociologists on the left. There was Seawright. Mills wasn't really

784
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:56,280
a leftist. I mean he he was viewed as like

785
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,239
a progressive by like by you know, by like Eisenhower,

786
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:04,920
ara standard, but he was an He was more kind

787
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,119
of like an economic sociologist who was like hostled uh like,

788
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,800
was consideredly a cabalist perspective. He but Hoswaon was a

789
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,280
genuine you know again it's I this is not an

790
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,039
absolute signifier that in Capsulate twenty was. But he was

791
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:25,920
like a Stalinist of its height, and very few of

792
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,840
those guys were like real sociologists. He was Christopher Lash

793
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,360
ironically hime in a lot of the conclusions Hoswaan did,

794
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,239
and his final book it was called progress that true

795
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,760
only Heaven. It dropped in like nineteen ninety four. So

796
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,639
over last died. Now, of course, Lash had been some

797
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,840
kind of peculiar frighto Marxist in his younger days, like

798
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,559
the kind of guy who'd been on a gism drawn mark.

799
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,000
He'd been very much influenced by marcusa in that school

800
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:59,679
I thought. And then Lash gradually became like one more

801
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:06,039
kind of conservative in his thought, like literally conservative. So

802
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:08,079
I'm not sure if you really count so Hoswem kind

803
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:12,960
of stands not quite alone, but it's there was a

804
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:20,320
very small fraternity of revolutionary Marxist Leninist who who had,

805
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:24,519
you know, like a sociologist that that was both methodologically

806
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:29,119
as well as intellectually rigorous in terms of you know,

807
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:36,079
in terms of UH output. So that's another reason why

808
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,760
UH people should take him seriously if I haven't convinced

809
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,639
the subs and other people who like what we do.

810
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,360
Hosbon did say, though, with a big shortcoming of of

811
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,480
capitalism or the capitalist perspective, is he says that owing

812
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:58,159
to this inherently conservative tendency. Now again, we're talking about

813
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:00,800
conservatism in the post seventeen eighty nine sense. We're not

814
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,599
talking about belief and tradition. We're not talking about you know,

815
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,559
reverence for for for customs. We're not talking about people

816
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:11,000
want to preserve old ways or preserve Harry, We're not

817
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:14,639
talking that at all. We're talking about ideological conservatism, which

818
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,559
again is UH is a product of Enlightenment liberalism. One

819
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:21,639
hundred percent. Cosm says that the thing that these that

820
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:25,559
these capitalists ideologues are really, really, really bad at is

821
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:28,400
predicting the future, not putting the future like a gypsy

822
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,199
the crystal ball, but kind of diagnosing the trajectory of

823
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,960
politics and UH an economic phenomenon. You know. That's why

824
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,199
he said that, Like he said that, like people like

825
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,360
Fukiyama are laughable, you know what they're like theories of everything,

826
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,559
like oh, you know they'll be they'll be no more

827
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,079
armed conflict because you know, they'll be prosperity, and you know,

828
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:55,159
people will will naturally like reject religion because they'll they'll

829
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:58,079
have all these like hedonistic outlets that no longer force

830
00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:01,440
them to sublimate. And like Hobson's like that's ridiculous, that's nonsense,

831
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,119
you know, And he's like, basically, nobody has a worst

832
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,239
track record speaking in the nineteen nineties. He's like, nobody

833
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,159
had the worst nobody has the worst track record of

834
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:12,639
the preceding forty years, so basically probably a post war

835
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:16,039
era in like the nineties than like, you know, the capitalists.

836
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,320
You know, He's like, they're spectacularly bad at predicting what's

837
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,719
going to happen, and that's also why they got utterly

838
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,719
blindsided by like the implosion of the Soviet Union. You know.

839
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,119
Hobshm reserve a particular contempt for Calvin Coolidge. He did,

840
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:38,000
Coolie's kind of like a Reagan figure, which isn't I mean,

841
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:43,159
Reagan himself like lionized the Coolidge, but I think Reagan

842
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:48,119
is more like Eisenhower. Frankly, but uh interestingly, George Kennan

843
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:50,199
had a similar contempt for Reagan. He thought he was

844
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:54,480
an idiots. I mean, I got love for Kennon old day,

845
00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:56,800
but I think he had some blind spots in his

846
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,880
own right. But what what hos I'm said in one

847
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:06,480
of his later books, Coolidge in nineteen twenty eight, I

848
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,000
think it was his is like a holiday message. You know,

849
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:10,960
there is nothing even a great depression. They had not

850
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,920
the kind of terrors in Ainty twenty nine obviously had

851
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,719
not sit in yet, but there was there was there

852
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,440
was an ominous air about things. So Coolidge's message, like

853
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,360
in Holiday Season nineteen twenty eight was quote the country

854
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,199
he can regard the present with satisfaction and anticipate the

855
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:34,480
future with optimism. That's fucking meaningless. That's like saying like,

856
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:40,159
things are great because my McDonald's lunch today, you know,

857
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:45,880
cheeseburgers taste good and it's Friday, and you know, I

858
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,239
like pussy Like it's I think a Cranser version of

859
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:54,519
what Coolidge dropped. Okay, I mean that's that's like almost

860
00:55:54,559 --> 00:56:04,400
Clintonian and it's superficial, supervisually moronic, you know, uh essence,

861
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:12,280
you know. So like that's why Hobswom says that like capitalism,

862
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:18,440
it's got a permanent alibi for its failures because it

863
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,599
creates this climate. It basically just this dumb down climate

864
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:27,559
of cloud chasers and people thirsty and desperate for youth

865
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:31,519
and the kind of pleasures that supposedly attend youth. And

866
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:34,159
they're told that the experts, And you're always supposed to

867
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:36,760
trust experts, you know, like no Ball's wall says we

868
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,920
trust doctors. You're always supposed to trust the experts, whether

869
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,760
they're an economist, whether they're you know some Pentagon whiz kid.

870
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,199
I'm beating myself with that phraseology, I realize, or whether

871
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,400
they're you know, some medical doctor like doctor Fauci, and

872
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,880
the experts always say, you know something in the same

873
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,320
thing as what Coolidge said, there's just nothing but progress ahead.

874
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,760
There's nothing a prosperity, aad so oh when there's natural

875
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,880
when there's natural hiccups so to speak, you know, in markets,

876
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:12,320
or when there's problems or when a combination of malfeasance

877
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,440
and badly coded inputs lead to something like the two

878
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,360
thousand and eight crisis where billions of dollars are wiped out,

879
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,400
like oh the alibi the capitalists and who in a

880
00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:24,400
at hop view is like, oh, this was an unforeseen crisis,

881
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,960
almost like a terrorist attack, you know, but darn it,

882
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:29,000
like we got the gumption to get through it. And

883
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:31,840
these things just can't be predicted, you know. It's a

884
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,239
hosba on this nonsense. This is absolutely foreseeable, you know, Like, granted,

885
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,239
there's always something of a there's always something of a

886
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:47,159
mystics belief in augury to Marxist Lenin is it's like

887
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:50,760
dressed up as like oh no, we're just diagnosing, you know,

888
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,079
through through a scientific method, the world historical process. But

889
00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:58,039
they do they are right when they say, like, no,

890
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:00,920
history does not repeat itself. That some thing moron say.

891
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:05,239
But there are patterns two advents, particularly crises of like

892
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,159
an economic or military nature, and this idea like we're

893
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:11,639
just being blindsighted because this this can't be predicted, you know,

894
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,000
like that he's right about that, and that that is

895
00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:18,079
the ongoing alibi of capitalism. Again, this is his phrase ology,

896
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:23,599
what he calls capitalism. I think I'm wanna take part

897
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:25,440
three in it somewhach different direction. And I think we're

898
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,159
coming up in the hour, So I'm gonna cease, if

899
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:31,239
that's okay, because if I if I start in on

900
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,800
what I want to start in on it, we're just

901
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,840
gonna have to abrogate it. And I don't want to

902
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:37,079
do that.

903
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,719
Speaker 1: No problem, Midt, all, no problem. Middle And you're getting

904
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,920
ready for a trip and everything, so yeah, yeah, you

905
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,079
don't want to don't want to keep you here forever. Yeah,

906
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:48,480
two plugs, we'll get out of here.

907
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:51,199
Speaker 2: Yeah no, my my, my good buddy. I don't want

908
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:53,320
to name check him because he's a very private person.

909
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,760
But like my homie, and my erstwhile like tech Frog,

910
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,960
who maintains my website, it's back up and running. Tyler

911
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:03,360
seven seventh seven dot com number seven h seven seventh

912
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,480
seven dot com. It's up to date, it's current. You

913
00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:08,840
can find the archives and everything I do, and like

914
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,840
the alerts automatically kick on, like when this gets uploaded,

915
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,360
it'll automatically pop up, so it's current. I know it

916
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,719
was down for a few days. I'm gonna retool some stuff,

917
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,039
or rather my guy is gonna retool it. I've no

918
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:22,559
idea how to do that, but there's some things I

919
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:25,000
want to change. I'm not gonna I can't do that

920
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:27,559
until I get back from this trip. I'm going to

921
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:31,880
Portland tomorrow tomorrow being Halloween, a happy Halloween. I'll be

922
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,480
back on November seventh. I'm gonna need a few days

923
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:38,320
to recover, so realistically, it's probably gonna be like November

924
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,360
tenth before like I'm i'll be, I'll be streaming and

925
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,920
stuff from the road. But I this stuff's not gonna

926
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,480
get done other than that, so there's good. It's gonna

927
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,400
be about three weeks before a new POT episode is

928
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:55,519
is is uploaded. But speaking of the pod, you can,

929
00:59:55,719 --> 00:59:59,280
and I'm gonna retool the website around mid month of November,

930
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,280
so the it'll be a lot easier to use and navigate.

931
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:04,599
They'll be I want that to be like at archival

932
01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:07,960
library where you everybody can find everything for free, of course,

933
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:12,519
and that's that. But you can find the pod at

934
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:16,119
real Thomas seven seven seven at subsec dot com. It's

935
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:20,360
the mind Phaser podcast. We've also got a pretty active forum.

936
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,679
There's also like there's a combination like short and medium

937
01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:27,159
forum stuff, and that's the best way to keep up

938
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:29,719
with me, like hit me up there or hit me

939
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,360
up on t Gram. I got a t gram channel.

940
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,440
I don't fuck with dms on Twitter and stuff. I

941
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,239
had too many bad experiences and I I cannot keep

942
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,440
up with like Halpit dos and DM systems. But about

943
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:49,519
social media at Capital r EA l Underscore number seven

944
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:52,679
him as seven seven seven on Instagram, on t Gram,

945
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,840
I got a merse shop and yeah, man, if you

946
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,199
plug like the merse shop and the description, that would

947
01:00:57,199 --> 01:00:59,519
be tremendous. I'd appreciate it very much, man.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's all set up and just copy and paste

949
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,320
it over safe travels man.

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01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:27,159
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, than anybody