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<v Speaker 1>Hi. This is Michael olfand from Farlow, North Dakota. I

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<v Speaker 1>play at Rose Creek Golf Course.

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<v Speaker 2>This is golf Smarter number nine eight nine.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you play slow greens and you were going

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<v Speaker 1>to practice the proper approach speed, you would put a

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<v Speaker 1>club shaft behind the hole at exactly fifteen inches past

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<v Speaker 1>the back of the cup. You would cut to miss

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<v Speaker 1>on purpose. You would actually aim maybe a foot to

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<v Speaker 1>the right of the actual hole, and you would try

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<v Speaker 1>to get your balls to just gently stop right at

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<v Speaker 1>that fifteen inch mark up against the shaft. Because if

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<v Speaker 1>you play in really particularly on public horses in the South,

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<v Speaker 1>with Bermuda grass, which is very slow, it needs to

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<v Speaker 1>have more speed than that last foot of going into

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<v Speaker 1>the hole to improve your odds of lipping in versus

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<v Speaker 1>slipping out. There was just going to be more imperfections

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<v Speaker 1>in the green and more footprints, particularly if you play

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<v Speaker 1>it in a bermuda green golf course in the South

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<v Speaker 1>or like here in Hawaii. And if you play on

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<v Speaker 1>medium speed greens, you want that shaft to be at

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<v Speaker 1>eleven inches, And if you play on fast greens, which

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<v Speaker 1>almost exclusively private clubs, you would put it at seven inches.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was the ball would roll by seven inches

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<v Speaker 1>if you were trying to miss on purpose on fast greens,

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<v Speaker 1>it would roll by eleven inches on medium greens and

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen inches on slow greens.

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<v Speaker 2>Pudding and chipping around the green drills, tips and advice

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<v Speaker 2>with Jim Waldron from Balance Point Golf. This is golf Smurder,

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<v Speaker 2>sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to

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<v Speaker 2>help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf

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<v Speaker 2>s Murder podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Fred. I think this is my fifty thousand appearance.

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<v Speaker 2>Well guess what, Yeah, I went through the spreadsheet and

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<v Speaker 2>I looked it up this time. I couldn't fall asleep

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<v Speaker 2>last night going don't forget to look up Jim's how

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<v Speaker 2>many times Jim's been on the podcast. And here's some

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<v Speaker 2>statistics for you since you're a fan of as. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>your first your first appearance was on episode one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and five on December eighteenth, two thousand and seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it sounds about right.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you were on and then you were on once

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and eight, then you were on a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch and eleven in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>you did two episodes back to back. We were doing

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<v Speaker 2>the members only and they were on Putting, which you thought,

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<v Speaker 2>we've never done anything on Putting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, well I'm being treated for Alzheimer's right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Should I should let you know that in your audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Take what you're here with a grain of salt.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you're kidding person, kidding good, it's not funny.

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<v Speaker 2>And then so that twenty fourteen we did two episodes

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<v Speaker 2>in Putting. It was the only time you were on

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty fourteen. You were only on once in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen and once in twenty seventeen, m and once in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen. But you were on monumental episodes of four hundred,

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<v Speaker 2>number six hundred, number eight hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not going to be nine hundreds. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be one thousand. Sorry I don't know what that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be. But anyway, this is drum roll. Please,

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<v Speaker 2>this is Do I actually have a drum roll? Oh my,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I do.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait wait, look atm No, No that's not no, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>shut up, okay, yay, okay, stop okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So the only times I've ever used those buttons. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is your thirty sixth appearance. Wow at it far

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<v Speaker 2>far more than anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Else in the podcast. Well, it's almost honored, that is me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm honored and you were a one time with me.

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<v Speaker 1>So does it count when I'm hosting you? Does that?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you count as one of the thirty six? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course that was what was that eight hundred?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>But you've become a podcast slot, haven't you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shameless.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not the only podcast you're on anymore. Yeah, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting in for all kinds of bizarre podcasts. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny, is that right? Yeah? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well good good?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And how's business?

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<v Speaker 1>Fantash can't I mean, busiest I've ever been by.

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<v Speaker 2>Far, because you're a podcast star. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm in Hawaii on the beach like I have

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<v Speaker 1>been for the last thirty years and enjoying Hawaiian Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>just came up from my morning walk and swim in

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean.

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<v Speaker 2>You told me you turned your phone off.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not my phone, that's that's FaceTime computer.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked so many times about how difficult it is

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<v Speaker 2>for you to just log in to this, and we

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<v Speaker 2>logged in on the first try today right at the

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<v Speaker 2>schedule time. It's amazing. But of course we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have glitches somebody trying to get into.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, hopefully that'll be the only one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hopefully that'll be the only one. And we'll add

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of I promise to the audience that you're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to hear all of all of us trying

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out how to shut that up.

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<v Speaker 1>No's what's funny. We were talking about that because about

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<v Speaker 1>how busy so when people you know, that's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been doing so many webcam lessons, mainly for people

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<v Speaker 1>who suffer from yips or just poor mental game from

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<v Speaker 1>all over the planet. I'm still working with people on

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<v Speaker 1>their swing and their short game mechanics and obviously putting mechanics,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's sort of sort of blossom in the yips

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<v Speaker 1>and mental game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, there's a couple of things. I definitely want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about putting today since we haven't done it

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<v Speaker 2>in thirteen years. But I also want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>and God, I hope this isn't the yips, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really struggling around the edges of the green on I

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<v Speaker 2>chipping on. I have these great little I have a

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<v Speaker 2>great stroke. I have a great practice stroke and then

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<v Speaker 2>I go and I either chunk it, double hit it,

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<v Speaker 2>or fly it across the green just you know, scull

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<v Speaker 2>it and go and it goes and I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 2>is going on? I used to be really good at

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<v Speaker 2>this and get it right near.

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<v Speaker 1>The hall chipping or putting off the green.

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<v Speaker 2>Chipping, chipping chipping, you know, from like cause I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like to putt over rough. I want to get the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to you have to chip pitch for sure, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know that Tony Manzoni gave me this one tip that

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<v Speaker 2>works so well for so long of taking like an

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<v Speaker 2>eight iron and putting it more upright and putting it

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<v Speaker 2>on the toe and just do a little putting stroke

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<v Speaker 2>for it. But it's just it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that shot does not work if you're out of

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<v Speaker 1>the rough. That only works if you're basically on the

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<v Speaker 1>fringe with the ball sitting up in a really good line.

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<v Speaker 1>That's called chipping. Okay, Yeah, it's what's something that Paul Runyon,

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<v Speaker 1>famous touring pro back in the thirties, forties and fifties

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<v Speaker 1>advocated for, but it doesn't work unless the balls Basically

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<v Speaker 1>you have to be on the fringe with the ball

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<v Speaker 1>sitting up for that technique to work.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So if I'm another yard off the green and

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<v Speaker 2>im and I'm in rough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then you either have to do what's called modern shipping,

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<v Speaker 1>which is chipping with a little bit of riskcock and release,

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<v Speaker 1>or you got to do pitching, which is a half

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<v Speaker 1>to even a full wrist cock, so different, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>different technique than what you've been using. You you know

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<v Speaker 1>which whenever you're in the rough, you have to come

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<v Speaker 1>in on a steeper angle to get some club face

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<v Speaker 1>on the ball, right, you can't come in shallow and

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<v Speaker 1>classical chipping you come in pretty shallow, so you can't

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<v Speaker 1>use classical chipping, you know, old school chipping. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little harder shot because you have to time the

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<v Speaker 1>release anytime, anytime you're setting a wrist angle, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to release the angle on the downswing and that takes

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<v Speaker 1>obviously timing and skill, you know, more skill than if

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<v Speaker 1>you're using no risks. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>M hmm, Okay, are we solved? Is it is that

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<v Speaker 2>all I need to know?

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<v Speaker 1>No, there's always more than that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I brought you one. Of course, well more

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<v Speaker 2>I need more. Fix it, fix it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you got to keep your way forward, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to, if you want to increase the

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<v Speaker 1>angle of attack, you have to One way to do

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<v Speaker 1>that is to put your weight more forward, lean your

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<v Speaker 1>hands forward more so you have more forward chaffleen. Open

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<v Speaker 1>the face of your lob wedge or your sand wedge,

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<v Speaker 1>which are the two primary tools you're going to use

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<v Speaker 1>in a shot like that. When you open the face,

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<v Speaker 1>you expose more bounce, and the bounce slides through the

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<v Speaker 1>rough better than the leading edge. The leading edge if

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<v Speaker 1>it presents first, it'll it'll it'll encounter too much resistance

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<v Speaker 1>from the grass.

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<v Speaker 2>And do I want like on my my the wedge

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<v Speaker 2>that I use for my lob is a fifty six

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<v Speaker 2>degree and and then there's a second number on these wedges,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's basically what the bounce is, right, I think

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<v Speaker 2>mine is a ten. So what are the numbers? Not

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<v Speaker 2>much bounce? What the higher number is less bounce and

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<v Speaker 2>the low number is more bounce.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the higher number, the higher number if it's the

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<v Speaker 1>bounced number, because it could also be the loft some

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<v Speaker 1>of these wedges have the loft angle imprinted, like fifty

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<v Speaker 1>six degree would be the loft for example, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>the most common bounce degree of bounce with a fifty

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<v Speaker 1>six degrees sand wedge is fourteen degrees of bounce, but

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<v Speaker 1>you can get them with twelve or even as little

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<v Speaker 1>as ten. But I mean, to me, having only ten

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<v Speaker 1>degrees bounce out of sand wedge is crazy. It kind

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<v Speaker 1>of defeats the whole purpose. So, I mean, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>one that has sixteen degrees of bounce. So you want

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<v Speaker 1>you want to you know, bounce as your friend. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to have a fair amount of bounce on your

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<v Speaker 1>sandwich for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and that's for softer sand I mean, we really

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<v Speaker 2>discussed this a little bit more. I think it's enlightening

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of people to understand what what bounce

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<v Speaker 2>means in their.

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<v Speaker 1>In their way, Yeah, what the way bounce works? Well, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the best way to understand is to know the story

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<v Speaker 1>of of uh uh Am. I'm having a senior moment,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the Italian tour pro who invented the sandwich,

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<v Speaker 1>whom I thinking of back in the nineteen thirties of

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<v Speaker 1>the British Open. I don't know, I'm having a senior moment.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyhow, he invented the same, but he invented the

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<v Speaker 1>sandwidge Toeppe sandwich, Yeah, exactly, just Gisepe, my friend Giuseppe.

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<v Speaker 1>But he kept it was such a powerful weapon because

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<v Speaker 1>he added he basically had a welder weld some type

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<v Speaker 1>of metal I forgot what it was on the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of his U pitching wedge, and he had the club

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<v Speaker 1>fitter bend the pitching wedged like a lot, so there

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, when you have bounce on the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>it slides through the sand better. But if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And for those folks who are playing jee.

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<v Speaker 1>Made those Alzheimer drugs are really helping today. I say.

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<v Speaker 2>So for those folks who live in areas that have

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<v Speaker 2>Want lower bounds. And then what about if you're playing

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<v Speaker 2>that's not a lot of grass and it's the ground

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was. The harder the pan, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>you need they want, okay, because if you have too

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<v Speaker 1>too high during the impact, just before, during and after impact.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact that you can even you can literally

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<v Speaker 1>over the green if you have too much bounce, it

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<v Speaker 1>literally bounce off the ground. Yeah. So like in the

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<v Speaker 1>the year except for a couple of months in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of summer. And so generally the better players here

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<v Speaker 1>have like a if they have a fifty six degree

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<v Speaker 1>sand wedge, they may only have twelve degrees of bounce

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<v Speaker 1>eleven something like that. But if you look play in

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<v Speaker 1>South Florida where they have those those almost talcum powder

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<v Speaker 1>greenside bunkers where it's really light, powdery sand, you might

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<v Speaker 1>have sixteen degrees of bounce on your sandwich. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>generally what I recommend is fourteen degrees on your sandwich

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<v Speaker 1>and ten nine or ten degrees on your love which

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<v Speaker 1>that seems to be the best combination for most people.

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<v Speaker 1>So a little a little less bounce on the on

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<v Speaker 2>So actually I use my fifty three degree as my

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it's probably a fifty four that was bent

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<v Speaker 1>to fifty three, probably, I'm guessing, okay, yeah, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know nobody. I really find that a fifty

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<v Speaker 2>And I spread my legs wide and I crouched down,

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<v Speaker 2>I get down and I'm able to you know, I've

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<v Speaker 2>had more success doing that in the sand than using

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<v Speaker 2>unless of course I'm on a green side bunker that

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<v Speaker 2>the pin is very close, then I'll go with a

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<v Speaker 2>higher lofted my fifty six and try to just get

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<v Speaker 2>under it and let it pop up. Is that right?

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<v Speaker 1>You never really want to try to get under it.

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<v Speaker 1>That you want to try and get under it is

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<v Speaker 1>your your conscious mind using language expressing what's called in

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<v Speaker 1>your unconscious mind scooping impulse. Okay, even on a flop shot,

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<v Speaker 1>you should not try to get under it, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>that that'll almost certainly make you either hit it really

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<v Speaker 2>M Yeah, but there's that there's that common myth I

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<v Speaker 2>guess or notion of you want to you want to

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<v Speaker 2>in the bunker, you want to get like under the ball. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just hitting behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're you're hitting behind it on purpose, you're hitting

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<v Speaker 1>it heavy fat on purpose. But you never want to

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you're trying to get under it. Remember, you're

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<v Speaker 1>think of it from the standpoint of your wrists, and

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<v Speaker 1>your wrists on cocking is what creates most of the

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<v Speaker 1>downward force into the clubbed on all golf shots where

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<v Speaker 1>you're cocking your wrists, which lifts the clubb up towards

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<v Speaker 1>the sky on the backswing. Your bus basically reversing chorus

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<v Speaker 1>on the forward swing, so you're always hitting down the

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<v Speaker 1>clubed's going down from your wrists and any where you

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<v Speaker 1>set your wristcock angle on the backswing. So what what's

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<v Speaker 1>getting getting under is when people go sideways with their rest,

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<v Speaker 1>which is called flipping, which is a bad, bad flaw

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<v Speaker 1>that almost all golfers have unless they're really good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The loft built into the club makes the ball get airborne.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't need to help out by trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>underneath it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so then I don't necessarily need a higher lofty

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<v Speaker 2>club when I'm yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Do need a lot. Everybody should have a lob wedge

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<v Speaker 1>in their bag, which is generally sixty, but it could

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<v Speaker 1>be a fifty eight degree.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's really hard to hit.

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<v Speaker 1>If your technique sucks. Yeah, yeah, but you can.

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<v Speaker 2>You can take a handicap or as a sixty degree. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not necessarily.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, if your handicap is roughly twenty or higher,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably don't have the skill to hit a lob wodge.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, okay with that, Yeah, I use mine all

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<v Speaker 1>the time all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I do too. I mean my fifty six. I

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<v Speaker 2>used to use a sixty bit, but I was not

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<v Speaker 2>getting Sometimes I would need it for like a fifty

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<v Speaker 2>yard shot, and with my sixty I couldn't reach it.

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<v Speaker 2>But with this fifty my fifty six, I'm pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>up to sixty five yards and I can go different

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<v Speaker 2>distances on it. Yeah, it's just when I get in

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<v Speaker 2>the rough around the green, that's when I I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to make the choke sound, so I just made

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<v Speaker 2>the vomiting vomit sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly. We all know that sound.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Should we talking about putting?

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<v Speaker 2>You want to talk about pudding? I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Putting, Okay, So here's my story. I'm putting. I was

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<v Speaker 1>never very good at it until about twelve years ago

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<v Speaker 1>my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened then?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll tell you. My dad was really good. He was.

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<v Speaker 1>He only got down to about a ten handicap, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was like a plus three at putting. He practiced

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<v Speaker 1>putting every night, like like in commercials back in the

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<v Speaker 1>day when you couldn't you know, before there were TV

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<v Speaker 1>remotes and you had to wait for the commercial. He

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<v Speaker 1>would just practice putting. For three minutes all the commercials

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<v Speaker 1>were running, and he got really good at it. But

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<v Speaker 1>I never liked it. I always thought it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of boring. And I had this round of golf here

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<v Speaker 1>in the north shore of Oahu at Turtle Bay, at

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<v Speaker 1>the Palmer Course, which is probably the best course in

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<v Speaker 1>Hawaii and one of the hardest courses for sure, and

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<v Speaker 1>I shot by ball striking that day was really good.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I hit fifteen greens or something like that

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<v Speaker 1>in like twenty mile an hour trade winds.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>But I missed like four putts, four birdie putts, I

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<v Speaker 1>think three birdie putts and one par saving putt within say,

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<v Speaker 1>four to six feet, and they were makeable putts. I

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<v Speaker 1>ended up shooting like, I think seventy four for the day,

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<v Speaker 1>something like that could have been if I had made

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<v Speaker 1>all those potts, it would have been you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine or something. And so that kind of was

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<v Speaker 1>a wake up call. So I decided this was like

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<v Speaker 1>twelve years ago. I said, you know, I really don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm doing, what I'm doing with a putter,

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<v Speaker 1>and I better figure this out. So I spent the

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<v Speaker 1>next year really intensely investigating putting instantly learned a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff that most people, most amateurs, have never heard of,

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<v Speaker 1>and even most teaching pros, I think, still don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>about putting really and I totally changed my system of

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<v Speaker 1>how to teach it, and I've had absolutely incredible results

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<v Speaker 1>teaching it since then to people. Yeah, but it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very different approach. I'll just give you a quick

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<v Speaker 1>throw some questions at me. But the first principle of

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<v Speaker 1>the Waldron putting system is the fact that your ball

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<v Speaker 1>is on the putting surface doesn't mean you should always

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<v Speaker 1>use the same grip. And you know, you shouldn't always

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<v Speaker 1>think of every putt as being basically the same. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not so. In my system, there's four different types of

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<v Speaker 1>putts you could encounter in a typical round of golf,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's based on the distance the ball is from

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<v Speaker 1>the hole number one and number two. How much the

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<v Speaker 1>distance the ball is from the hole involves line control

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<v Speaker 1>versus distance control. So here's what it is. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you're if you have a short put what I call

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<v Speaker 1>a short putt, and I'm talking about for the vast

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<v Speaker 1>majority of golf courses today, they're between nine and eleven

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<v Speaker 1>on the stint meter. Probably ten is average today of

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<v Speaker 1>a decent, you know, well maintained golf course. There obviously

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<v Speaker 1>are faster ones that the tour guys play on, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are slower ones here in the un courses in

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<v Speaker 1>Hawhi where they're like seven or eight, you know, but

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<v Speaker 1>vast majority of courses are nine, ten, eleven. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>when you're putting within seven feet of the hole, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I call a short putt. And you should think

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<v Speaker 1>of that putt as ninety percent about line control only

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<v Speaker 1>ten percent distance control, because most of the time when

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<v Speaker 1>you miss a short putt like that, it's mostly not

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<v Speaker 1>always it's because you're ball veered left or right of

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<v Speaker 1>the intended line. And I'm assuming you know you can

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<v Speaker 1>read the line properly right. In other words, you you

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<v Speaker 1>miss left or right only ten percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're halfway decent at putting, do you miss those

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<v Speaker 1>much speed or you didn't get it to the hole right.

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<v Speaker 1>So you got to think of that as a putt

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<v Speaker 1>that's mostly about having good line control. Yeah, so that

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<v Speaker 1>means it's possible to use a different grip on that

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<v Speaker 1>short putt than you would use on say a sixty

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<v Speaker 1>five foot putt. And I'm loving the timing of this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast because I was watching the PJ event Tory Pines

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of days and the number one player

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, Scotti Scheffler, has been doing this for

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<v Speaker 1>a while now, I think for the last year or so.

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<v Speaker 1>He puts with what some people call I like to

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<v Speaker 1>call it the paintbrush grip, kind of like this. Some

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<v Speaker 1>people call that the saw grip. When he's within fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty feet and when he's outside fifteen to twenty feet,

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<v Speaker 1>he does a conventional putting grip. And I've been teaching that.

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<v Speaker 1>That part I've been teaching for a long time, over

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<v Speaker 2>And what's the what's the value of that?

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<v Speaker 1>The value is the conventional grip, which is sometimes called

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<v Speaker 1>the reverse overlap palms neutral where your palms are basically

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<v Speaker 1>parallel to the club face. You do a reverse Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is really good for feeling the weight of the

427
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<v Speaker 1>club head and the speed that your hands and clubhead

428
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<v Speaker 1>are moving. So it's really good for distance control, but

429
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<v Speaker 1>it's not so good for line control because it allows

430
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<v Speaker 1>too much risk action and risk and forearm rotation. When

431
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<v Speaker 1>you when you rotate your wrists and forearms, you're altering

432
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<v Speaker 1>the face angle. The club face will either will roll

433
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<v Speaker 1>shut or roll open.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, interestingly, that's kind of why I moved

435
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<v Speaker 2>to a broomstick or now a sweeper. You can't use

436
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<v Speaker 2>the word broomstick anywhere where you're talking about lab golf, Yeah, yeah,

437
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<v Speaker 2>because some company now owns that word.

438
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<v Speaker 1>Oh is that right? I had no idea.

439
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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, broomstick you can use broom handle is okay?

440
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<v Speaker 1>And sleeper it's a yeah, yeah.

441
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how they anyway, But I switched over

442
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<v Speaker 2>to a broomstick. I'll call it that for now because

443
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<v Speaker 2>we all know what I'm talking about. I did that

444
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<v Speaker 2>for about because my hands were getting in the way

445
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<v Speaker 2>with my normal length thirty three and a half inch putter.

446
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<v Speaker 2>And but I used the broomstick for about four months

447
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<v Speaker 2>and I could barely get under thirty six putts, where

448
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<v Speaker 2>before I was in the thirty two thirty three range

449
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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes thirty you know, so I went back to

450
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<v Speaker 2>my thirty three inch thirty three and a half inch,

451
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<v Speaker 2>talking about four months with the broomstick's work.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyhow, So in my putting system, you use two grips.

453
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<v Speaker 1>Use what I call a short putt grip around fifteen

454
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<v Speaker 1>to twenty feet or less wow, because it creates better

455
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<v Speaker 1>face angle stability, So left hand low would be the

456
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<v Speaker 1>most popular of those. Then there's the saw grip, the

457
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<v Speaker 1>one that Scotti Scheffler's using. Then there's a Christ Marco

458
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<v Speaker 1>clawgrip up, there's a Paul Runyon grip. There's split hand

459
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<v Speaker 1>left hand low, which is what I do. I separate

460
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<v Speaker 1>my hands by about an inch left hand low, and

461
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<v Speaker 1>I rotate my left hand about forty five degrees to

462
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<v Speaker 1>face the sky. So that's a form of an armlock grip.

463
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<v Speaker 1>So the knuckles on my right hand are pressing against

464
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<v Speaker 1>the inside of my left wrist with equal sideways pressure.

465
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<v Speaker 1>So the universal aspect of a short putt grip is

466
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<v Speaker 1>it creates massive club face angle stability, and it also

467
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<v Speaker 1>tends to almost totally inhibit any tendency to flip your wrists.

468
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<v Speaker 1>And you know, mid to high handicap amateurs often will

469
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<v Speaker 1>flip their wrist sideways during right before impact, which is

470
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<v Speaker 1>a bad flaw to have in your putting stroke. So anyhow,

471
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<v Speaker 1>so that's part of it. So you use the standard

472
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<v Speaker 1>putting grip that can so called conventional putting grip roughly

473
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<v Speaker 1>outside fifteen to twenty feet and one of the short

474
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<v Speaker 1>putt grips inside it. Then there's four types of potts.

475
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<v Speaker 1>Again to mention, the short winners are seven feet and

476
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<v Speaker 1>in from eight feet to about fifteen to twenty feet

477
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<v Speaker 1>our medium distance putts. And then from twenty one feet

478
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<v Speaker 1>to about forty four feet our long our medium long putts.

479
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<v Speaker 1>And then anything outside forty five feet I call a

480
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<v Speaker 1>long putt. And what I teach is differing amounts of

481
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<v Speaker 1>grip pressure, four differing amounts of grip pressure. What's called

482
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<v Speaker 1>sideways triangle pressure, one of Hogan's concepts, which applies to

483
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<v Speaker 1>all golf shots, including putting. That means you squeeze your

484
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<v Speaker 1>upper arms, your elbows, your forearms, and your hands toward

485
00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:41.799
<v Speaker 1>each other sideways with equal pressure. And the more stability

486
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<v Speaker 1>you want in the club head and you want a lot,

487
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<v Speaker 1>you want a ton of stability in the club, particularly

488
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<v Speaker 1>in the face angle on a super short putt, the

489
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<v Speaker 1>more triangle pressure you apply and the more grip pressure.

490
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<v Speaker 1>So when I'm working with a student, I'm teaching him

491
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<v Speaker 1>how to be much better at putting, at making putts

492
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<v Speaker 1>within seven feet, he has very firm ret pressure. Overall,

493
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<v Speaker 1>he has high intensity sideways pressure, and he also has

494
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<v Speaker 1>high intensity connection pressure. Connection pressure means the pressure of

495
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<v Speaker 1>your tricep against your pectoral muscles going behind you. And

496
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<v Speaker 1>if you watch Tiger Woods, who's insanely great and very

497
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<v Speaker 1>short putts within seven feet, you can see him do

498
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<v Speaker 1>that and how he doesn't do it on longer putts.

499
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<v Speaker 1>He actually you can see him kind of fit his

500
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<v Speaker 1>particularly his left tricep against his left peck and press

501
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.200
<v Speaker 1>it there when he's putting within roughly seven feet. So

502
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<v Speaker 1>in that type of a pot, there is no there

503
00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:42.599
<v Speaker 1>should be no slack in the system at all, meaning

504
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:46.119
<v Speaker 1>your upper arms should stay glued deer pecks anytime you're

505
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<v Speaker 1>putting within seven feet. Yeah, Whereas on a putt that's

506
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<v Speaker 1>outside forty five feet, you need to have some sideways

507
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<v Speaker 1>motion of your upper arms brushing, brushing against your pecks,

508
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<v Speaker 1>moving against sideways against your pecks, still still touching your pecks,

509
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<v Speaker 1>but they're brushing, they're moving. Yeah, because you have to

510
00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:07.480
<v Speaker 1>make a bigger stroke. So you can't. You can't. You

511
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<v Speaker 1>couldn't use a connection pressure stroke on a longer putt

512
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<v Speaker 1>because you wouldn't. You wouldn't move the putter hardly at

513
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<v Speaker 1>any distance in space. Right, So we've got four different

514
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<v Speaker 1>amounts of sideways pressure, connection pressure, grip pressure, and then

515
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<v Speaker 1>the fourth one is called ring the flannel. Have you

516
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<v Speaker 1>ever heard Hogan talk about ring the flannel pressure?

517
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<v Speaker 2>You know that is never talk to Hogan.

518
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<v Speaker 1>Oh, well, you should talk to him. He's fantastic. He's

519
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:33.799
<v Speaker 1>really good at parties. He's very entertaining.

520
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:39.160
<v Speaker 2>If I have one, Yeah, you should invite him over.

521
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, just just you're gonna watch the martinis. Too

522
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:43.920
<v Speaker 1>many martini.

523
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<v Speaker 2>We'll get it. We'll get them for episode one thousand,

524
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<v Speaker 2>the Ghost of Smarter. That would be no, no, we'll

525
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<v Speaker 2>just get Hogan. I'm not going on even the.

526
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<v Speaker 1>Ghost Okay, no no. But anyhow, he learned this from

527
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<v Speaker 1>h Scottish touring probe and he applied it to all

528
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:04.799
<v Speaker 1>his golf shots, full shots, short game shots and putts.

529
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<v Speaker 1>But what you do is you, once you take the

530
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<v Speaker 1>proper grip, you gently squeeze each hand toward each other

531
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<v Speaker 1>in a twisting motion, So your left hand on the

532
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:16.640
<v Speaker 1>putting grip twists like an eighth of an inch to

533
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<v Speaker 1>the right, and your right hand twists an eighth of

534
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<v Speaker 1>an inch to the left with equal pressure. So it's

535
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<v Speaker 1>almost like ring the flannels the Scottish term for ringing

536
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.960
<v Speaker 1>a wet towel dry. So it's like you're you're not

537
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:31.599
<v Speaker 1>physically moving your fingers on the handle, that would be

538
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:33.920
<v Speaker 1>a mistake, but you're only doing it with your muscles

539
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.440
<v Speaker 1>without actually moving your fingers. So I'm talking really really

540
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:41.920
<v Speaker 1>really subtle pressure. Right, But when I'm doing a very

541
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>short pot, I have a higher intensity ring the flannel

542
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.839
<v Speaker 1>pressure than I do on a sixty five foot putt. Right,

543
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I basically have almost none on a long pot, and

544
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.279
<v Speaker 1>I have a lot on a short putt. That's the idea.

545
00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:59.319
<v Speaker 1>And again, because we need more club face stability on

546
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:03.680
<v Speaker 1>a s and we need more feel awareness for how

547
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.279
<v Speaker 1>big emotion and how fast emotion on longer putts for

548
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.319
<v Speaker 1>distance control, because long puts are mostly about distance control,

549
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:11.079
<v Speaker 1>not line control.

550
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I am such a lab rat. I am so

551
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.400
<v Speaker 2>enamored with with lab golf, and I know not everybody's

552
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:28.839
<v Speaker 2>bought into it yet, because probably because of price. But

553
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:32.000
<v Speaker 2>one of the things that they talk about and that

554
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:39.880
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to they have scientifically cured is torque, right,

555
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.839
<v Speaker 2>is take the torque out. And you I hear you

556
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:46.480
<v Speaker 2>saying a lot of things about twisting and avoiding the

557
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:49.240
<v Speaker 2>tist and that's what we're talking about. We're talking about

558
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:52.000
<v Speaker 2>that's why wouldn't you have a putter that just now

559
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.440
<v Speaker 2>that they're available, what put that prevents that?

560
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:58.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? So the lab putters will make will absolutely create

561
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>a more stable face angle during the stroke, but it

562
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>still doesn't eliminate uh, instability.

563
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

564
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.279
<v Speaker 1>That you have to do as a skilled athlete. You

565
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>have to learn how to maintain a neutral putter face

566
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:16.160
<v Speaker 1>angle to your path throughout the stroke.

567
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, okay, And that's this.

568
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Gets to something else I mentioned Tiger. There's there's a

569
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 1>there's a I think mistaken view that Tiger is sort

570
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<v Speaker 1>of promulgated called releasing the putter, which is the idea

571
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:32.279
<v Speaker 1>when you talk about releasing the club face in a

572
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:34.960
<v Speaker 1>long game shot, in a few short game shots, it

573
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:38.599
<v Speaker 1>means that just before impact and just after the toe

574
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>is moving faster than the heel, So there's independent face

575
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:46.079
<v Speaker 1>angle rotation independent of the path. That's not really a

576
00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:48.799
<v Speaker 1>thing in putting in my based on my research, right,

577
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.400
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't. It doesn't actually release. Now, you can do it,

578
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.720
<v Speaker 1>and Tiger does do it. He does rotate the toe

579
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>a little faster than the heel. He uses his wrists.

580
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:03.759
<v Speaker 1>He's using very old school putting methods that he learned

581
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:06.720
<v Speaker 1>as a child. Right, And you can certainly do it

582
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>that way. And so I'm saying, if you can do

583
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>it that way, but why would you. Most amateurs basically

584
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:16.759
<v Speaker 1>suck at keeping the face angle stable. I mean people

585
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:19.319
<v Speaker 1>that I will play golf with who are average, average players.

586
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>They miss a lot of makeable putts within eight seven

587
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.440
<v Speaker 1>or eight feet because their face angle was rotating either

588
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>too much to pass the heel, which means they miss

589
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.559
<v Speaker 1>it left if they're right handed, or they go the

590
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:34.599
<v Speaker 1>other way and they roll the face open and they

591
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>miss to the right. So what I teach, which goes

592
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:39.880
<v Speaker 1>along with the lab thing, is I want, even on

593
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.559
<v Speaker 1>long putts, I want the face angle to be stable

594
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:44.720
<v Speaker 1>throughout that I don't want. I don't want any club

595
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:48.079
<v Speaker 1>face rotation at all. I think I think that's just

596
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:49.799
<v Speaker 1>a myth that you need to have that you know.

597
00:30:53.720 --> 00:31:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh there you done. Usually no I was waiting

598
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>for you going please okay, no, no, no, please keep going.

599
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the idea is when you have connection pressure,

600
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<v Speaker 1>which again is the upper arm pressing against your pecks

601
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>in the in the behind you direction, and when you

602
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:20.119
<v Speaker 1>have sideways pressure, and when you have ring the flannel pressure,

603
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and when you have firmer grip pressure, the combination of

604
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<v Speaker 1>those four things to the highest extent that I advocate,

605
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:30.839
<v Speaker 1>which again is nowhere near maximum, it's still pretty subtle,

606
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>that does something I call it takes the slack out

607
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 1>of the system. And the reason why I was a

608
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.119
<v Speaker 1>poor putter until twelve years ago is I had way

609
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.440
<v Speaker 1>too much slack in the system. And I can guarantee

610
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:46.039
<v Speaker 1>anybody who's listening this ninety nine point ninety nine nine

611
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 1>percent of people listening to this podcast have way too

612
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 1>much slack in the system. The system is the so

613
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:54.839
<v Speaker 1>called triangle of your shoulder girdle and your two arms.

614
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:58.359
<v Speaker 1>And when you have slack in the system, and it

615
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>could be anywhere from your fingertips all the way up

616
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.240
<v Speaker 1>into your armpits, the very fact that there's give or

617
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.519
<v Speaker 1>slack or not, you know, not being taught enough. No

618
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:12.079
<v Speaker 1>tautness allows the face angle to rotate open or shut

619
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.839
<v Speaker 1>and allows your path to be inconsistent. And you want

620
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>a neutral path, and you want a stable club face

621
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.200
<v Speaker 1>that stays neutral to the path, and you can't have

622
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>that when you have a lot of slack in the system.

623
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<v Speaker 1>So removing the slack is why we do those four things,

624
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.359
<v Speaker 1>especially on a very short put and having a little

625
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:32.720
<v Speaker 1>bit of slack on a really long putt is good

626
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:35.799
<v Speaker 1>because a little bit of slack in the system on

627
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>a longer put gives you better distance control.

628
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Does that make sense, yes, because distance control is critical.

629
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 2>So what kind of drills? What kind of drills can

630
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<v Speaker 2>we do so that we can ingrain this and make

631
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:56.759
<v Speaker 2>this you know, unconscious competence.

632
00:32:56.920 --> 00:32:59.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's a there's a there's various training aids in

633
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the market. There often called the putting tripod. It's one

634
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.640
<v Speaker 1>of them, and it's two fiberglass poles that are about

635
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:10.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe I guess they're about four feet long that connect

636
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>with a clamp on the shaft of your putter below

637
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:18.799
<v Speaker 1>the grip, and the poles themselves go underneath your armpits.

638
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.519
<v Speaker 1>So it looks like this V shaped device that's underneath

639
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:26.119
<v Speaker 1>your armpits, and then you simply squeeze your your upper

640
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.759
<v Speaker 1>arms and your forearms and elbows toward each other again

641
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.519
<v Speaker 1>with the sideways pressure. So basically this really works. This

642
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:35.519
<v Speaker 1>gives you the sideways pressure almost automatically. I highly recommend

643
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>some type of a putting tripod aid like that for

644
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:39.880
<v Speaker 1>people who learn to take the slack out.

645
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, I've never heard you, you know, talk

646
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.079
<v Speaker 2>about aids that offer value.

647
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:51.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one. The

648
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:53.200
<v Speaker 1>other way you can think of it, it's just strategically

649
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.400
<v Speaker 1>is anytime you're putting, and again I'm not talking about uphill,

650
00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:59.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about level pot obviously got to adjust for

651
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.519
<v Speaker 1>uphill downhill, but anytime you're putting around forty five feet

652
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:05.960
<v Speaker 1>or more, you have to think of that putt as

653
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.239
<v Speaker 1>first of all, your odds of making it are close

654
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.480
<v Speaker 1>to zero percent, right, So you're what you're really trying

655
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:14.199
<v Speaker 1>to do is not three putt from there, yeah right,

656
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:16.280
<v Speaker 1>And that means your first putt has to be reasonably

657
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:18.199
<v Speaker 1>close to the hole withther than a three foot circle.

658
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>And again, most people when they three putt, it's not

659
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.639
<v Speaker 1>because they're like eight feet left or right of the hole.

660
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:26.199
<v Speaker 1>When the ball stops, it's because they're eight feet short

661
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:29.639
<v Speaker 1>or eight feet long of the hole. True, right. So

662
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.800
<v Speaker 1>distance control is really so I always say think of

663
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:33.840
<v Speaker 1>that as ninety percent. That putt is ninety percent about

664
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:37.880
<v Speaker 1>distance control, only ten percent about line control. And when

665
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you're putting from about twenty one feet to about forty

666
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.079
<v Speaker 1>four feet what I call medium long, it's like seventy

667
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:47.719
<v Speaker 1>percent distance control, thirty percent line control. And when you're

668
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:51.280
<v Speaker 1>putting from around eight feet to about fifteen twenty feet,

669
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:55.119
<v Speaker 1>it's like fifty to fifty line control distance control. And

670
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:58.119
<v Speaker 1>when you're putting seven feet or less, it's ninety percent

671
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:03.199
<v Speaker 1>line control only ten percent distance. Yeah, And so that's

672
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:05.559
<v Speaker 1>partly why I want people to use two putting grips,

673
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 1>a putting grip for sure outside fifteen twenty feet that

674
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.199
<v Speaker 1>promotes good distance control, and a different putting grip within

675
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.880
<v Speaker 1>fifteen twenty feet that promotes better line control. And then

676
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:19.480
<v Speaker 1>along with what I mentioned earlier, having varying amounts of

677
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.519
<v Speaker 1>ring during the flannel pressure connection pressure, sideways pressure grip pressure.

678
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean most of my students when I show them

679
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.519
<v Speaker 1>my grip pressure on a putt within seven feet they're

680
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:32.360
<v Speaker 1>shocked how firm it is, because there's this myth that

681
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 1>as the putts get shorter, you could hold on lighter.

682
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:36.840
<v Speaker 1>And all I can say is, if you want to

683
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.880
<v Speaker 1>get the putting yips, do that. In fact, so many

684
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:41.760
<v Speaker 1>of the students I work with who have putting yips,

685
00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:44.039
<v Speaker 1>they mistakenly think I got to hold on really light

686
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:49.000
<v Speaker 1>with pressure. That's like inviting the yip in, right, because

687
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.480
<v Speaker 1>you're starting out with so much slack in your fingers

688
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.800
<v Speaker 1>that it invites the fingers tightening up. Whereas if you

689
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.119
<v Speaker 1>start out tight, they're already tight. There's no more room

690
00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 1>for the yip to come in, right.

691
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:01.639
<v Speaker 2>Sure, Sure, Yeah, I don't know if I've ever played

692
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:05.840
<v Speaker 2>with anybody who had two different grips.

693
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, well, apparently I haven't been playing with Scotti lately then, yeah?

694
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Or Phil, No, I've not.

695
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Phil started doing that about four or five years ago.

696
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:17.800
<v Speaker 1>There are about, I guess about ten percent of the

697
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:21.199
<v Speaker 1>guys on tour I would guess are using two grips,

698
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.800
<v Speaker 1>and have been from the last starting about five years ago.

699
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.800
<v Speaker 1>It's gotten to be a thing, though. Yeah. I think

700
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>I think twenty years from now everybody will be doing it.

701
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:31.119
<v Speaker 1>There's no there's no reason not to do it. There

702
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:33.719
<v Speaker 1>really isn't. There's such an advantage, you know.

703
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:43.159
<v Speaker 2>So, uh, well, I'm fascinated by if you're short or

704
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:47.440
<v Speaker 2>long and you're ten feet you have a less chance

705
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:50.320
<v Speaker 2>of putting it in is if you're seven or eight

706
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.039
<v Speaker 2>feet wide left or right.

707
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>On long putts, I'm talking about very long putts.

708
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, on long putts, yeah. Yeah. And that's interesting to

709
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.880
<v Speaker 2>me because it kind of rings true. I'd like, oh, yeah,

710
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I think the ones that I missed the read, but

711
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:09.519
<v Speaker 2>if I missed the distance sometimes I'll be three putting. Yeah.

712
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Why is it then that apparently the tour average the

713
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.880
<v Speaker 2>best players in the world from ten feet are at

714
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 2>fifty percent.

715
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:19.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't even think it's ten feet. Fred. Last I

716
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 1>looked was about a year ago. The fifty percent mark

717
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:25.679
<v Speaker 1>was like at seven feet. I think from ten feet

718
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:29.199
<v Speaker 1>they're only making like forty percent. Wow, they're making fifteen

719
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:33.760
<v Speaker 1>percent roughly a little bit more from fifteen feet. Back

720
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 1>in the day, when Pels first wrote his book put

721
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Like the Pros, I think it was the name of

722
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:40.679
<v Speaker 1>the book. It came out in the early nineties. He

723
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 1>had done a test at Westchester Country Club. Back then,

724
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the Westchester Greens were the best on tour, and he

725
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:50.840
<v Speaker 1>took the top ten putters on tour and they made

726
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:57.079
<v Speaker 1>exactly from six feet. Their make percentage was sixty percent

727
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:01.639
<v Speaker 1>from six feet straight in putt that had no break

728
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:03.119
<v Speaker 1>in it, And of course there's going to be less

729
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.599
<v Speaker 1>on a putt that has a break, right, which most

730
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>of the time they will like the pros.

731
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he also has the putting Bible right right.

732
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.480
<v Speaker 1>The other thing in my system, which is kind of cool,

733
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:22.760
<v Speaker 1>is that for distance control, it's really important to understand

734
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:24.840
<v Speaker 1>what's called Have you ever heard the term approach speed

735
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and putting approach speed?

736
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.920
<v Speaker 2>No, but let's uh, let's let's talk about that right

737
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:40.800
<v Speaker 2>after this. Okay, okay, I interrupted you and you wanted

738
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:42.639
<v Speaker 2>to talk about something that I've not heard about, and

739
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:44.400
<v Speaker 2>that's called approach speed on the putt.

740
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, So this this relates to both how how

741
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.360
<v Speaker 1>you master the skill of distance control and putting, but

742
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.039
<v Speaker 1>it also has to do with critically important Yeah. Yeah,

743
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.079
<v Speaker 1>it has to do with improving your odds of of

744
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.119
<v Speaker 1>a of a putt that actually hits the hole it

745
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.480
<v Speaker 1>being in versus lipping out. That's the whole that's the

746
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:06.519
<v Speaker 1>key to understanding approach sped. What it means is the

747
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.639
<v Speaker 1>last foot or so that the putt's traveling before it

748
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:16.159
<v Speaker 1>hits the hole. There's often invisible footprints that Pels discovered

749
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:18.079
<v Speaker 1>years ago, and you called it the lumpy donut or

750
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the volcano because people are standing there and bending over

751
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.679
<v Speaker 1>to get their ball out of the cup, particularly if

752
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:24.400
<v Speaker 1>you play in the public golf course late in the

753
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>afternoon in the summer, there's all these there's like an

754
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:30.719
<v Speaker 1>invisible depression there. And you know, even though we have

755
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:32.719
<v Speaker 1>soft spikes to say, they still can make little marks

756
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:35.360
<v Speaker 1>in the green. So there can be little invisible imperfections

757
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.719
<v Speaker 1>in the putting surface that you might not even see

758
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.679
<v Speaker 1>with your naked eye. Because the ball is moving its

759
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 1>slowest right before it falls into the hole, those invisible

760
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 1>imperfections and the footprints can knot get offline.

761
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:49.280
<v Speaker 2>So it happened to me last week.

762
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go.

763
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:56.239
<v Speaker 2>So you want the putting right to the Yeah, what

764
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:58.559
<v Speaker 2>what was that? Exactly? What that?

765
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.480
<v Speaker 1>So you need to know, oh, that you have to

766
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:05.840
<v Speaker 1>have the proper speed so that the ball will go

767
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.039
<v Speaker 1>up the volcano, over the lumpy donut and will not

768
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:12.280
<v Speaker 1>get knocked offline. Very often by the invisible imperfections, but

769
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:16.079
<v Speaker 1>also not be moving so fast that it actually lips out.

770
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:20.840
<v Speaker 1>And that speed is dependent on the speed of the

771
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:23.199
<v Speaker 1>average the average green speed of the courses you play

772
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:26.519
<v Speaker 1>most often. So in my research I've come up with

773
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 1>a way of measuring it and then a drill to

774
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:33.159
<v Speaker 1>practice it. And here's what it is. If you're playing

775
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:35.440
<v Speaker 1>on fast and I'm not talking about super fast greens

776
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:37.280
<v Speaker 1>like they play at the US Open or maybe the

777
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.519
<v Speaker 1>PGA or sometimes the British Open, I'm talking about which

778
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:43.559
<v Speaker 1>are usually you know, thirteen or higher. I'm talking about

779
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:47.800
<v Speaker 1>more realistic horses the average people play. So medium speed

780
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 1>greens are ten to eleven and a half. Fast greens

781
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.599
<v Speaker 1>are eleven and a half to thirteen, and then slow greens,

782
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:55.960
<v Speaker 1>which we have here in Hawaii with the old Hawaiian bermuda,

783
00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:58.760
<v Speaker 1>are eight and a half to ten. Right, So if

784
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:02.480
<v Speaker 1>you play slow green and you were going to practice

785
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the proper approach speed, you would put your club shaft

786
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:09.519
<v Speaker 1>eight club shaft behind the hole at exactly fifteen inches

787
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:13.559
<v Speaker 1>past the hole, past the back of the cup, and

788
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.119
<v Speaker 1>you would you would put to miss on purpose. You

789
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:18.119
<v Speaker 1>would actually aim maybe a foot to the right of

790
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:20.559
<v Speaker 1>the actual hole, and you would try to get your

791
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.719
<v Speaker 1>balls to just gently stop right at that fifteen inch

792
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:27.679
<v Speaker 1>mark up against the shaft, because if you play on

793
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:32.119
<v Speaker 1>really particularly on public horses in the South, with Bermuda grass,

794
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:37.559
<v Speaker 1>which is very slow, it needs to have more speed

795
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:40.679
<v Speaker 1>than that last foot of going into the hole to

796
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:43.760
<v Speaker 1>improve your odds of lipping in versus slipping out. There

797
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:45.840
<v Speaker 1>was just going to be more imperfections in the green

798
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:49.880
<v Speaker 1>and more footprints, particularly if you play in a Bermuda

799
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:53.199
<v Speaker 1>green golf course in the South or like here in Hawaii. Yeah,

800
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.239
<v Speaker 1>and if you play on medium speed greens, you want

801
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.360
<v Speaker 1>that shaft to be at eleven inches, And if you

802
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:02.280
<v Speaker 1>play on fat greens, which is almost exclusively you know,

803
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:06.280
<v Speaker 1>private clubs, you would put it at seven inches. So

804
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:08.599
<v Speaker 1>there was it. The ball would would roll by seven

805
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.880
<v Speaker 1>inches if you were trying to miss on purpose on

806
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:13.519
<v Speaker 1>fast greens. It would roll by eleven inches on medium

807
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.079
<v Speaker 1>greens and fifteen inches on slow greens.

808
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, I've always been under the impression that you want

809
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 2>to get your speed so that it goes past the hole.

810
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:28.159
<v Speaker 2>I want to have enough because everyone everyone comes up

811
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 2>short most of the time because they're just trying to

812
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:34.880
<v Speaker 2>let it just drake, you know, just dribble into the

813
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:38.039
<v Speaker 2>dribbles not the right word, just drop right into the

814
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:41.800
<v Speaker 2>front edge of the hole versus hitting the back rim

815
00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:42.840
<v Speaker 2>of the hole. Right.

816
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's kind of my point of saying this. So

817
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:46.320
<v Speaker 1>this is another way I've explained. When I working with

818
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.320
<v Speaker 1>a student, I have the student, he and I kneel

819
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:51.079
<v Speaker 1>down on the green. We put a cushion down so

820
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.159
<v Speaker 1>we don't make a hole on the green, but we're

821
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:55.960
<v Speaker 1>nailing on a cushion, right. The greenskeeper on nuts. If

822
00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.760
<v Speaker 1>you see this without a cushion, And I say, if

823
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.440
<v Speaker 1>you play on really fastens, then you want the ball

824
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:05.159
<v Speaker 1>to roll in, to roll over the front edge and

825
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:07.960
<v Speaker 1>then drop into the front edge of the bottom of

826
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.719
<v Speaker 1>the cup. And medium speeds it rolls to the middle

827
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:13.519
<v Speaker 1>of the cup and then drops, and on fast greens

828
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:15.239
<v Speaker 1>it rolls to the back edge or even hits the

829
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:18.000
<v Speaker 1>back edge before it hits the bottom pops down. So

830
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>you need to practice again depending on what kind of

831
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:21.079
<v Speaker 1>greens you play.

832
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Either, and also it's dependent on if you're going uphill

833
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:24.960
<v Speaker 2>or downhill.

834
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Well you have to go for that of course.

835
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right uphill you're gonna want it to go to

836
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.840
<v Speaker 2>the back of the hole right and downhill you wanted

837
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.800
<v Speaker 2>to just kind of like fall in correct.

838
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you have to practice that. I mean, that's

839
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.159
<v Speaker 1>a skill to make the ball go. The other thing

840
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:44.920
<v Speaker 1>is that when people have bad distance control. Of the

841
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>people who suffer from poor distance control, it's it's like

842
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.480
<v Speaker 1>seventy percent they're short and only thirty percent are long

843
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:54.159
<v Speaker 1>in my experience, so the vast majority of people don't

844
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 1>get the ball to the hole. You know, when I've

845
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:58.519
<v Speaker 1>asked people who were liked it, I go, where do

846
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:00.679
<v Speaker 1>you see the target? They go the I go, No,

847
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.360
<v Speaker 1>the cup's not the target, right, and they look at

848
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:05.960
<v Speaker 1>me like I'm nuts. I go, they go, what are

849
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:07.480
<v Speaker 1>you talking about? I'm trying to make the ball go

850
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:09.400
<v Speaker 1>to the hole. No, you have to putt it to

851
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.480
<v Speaker 1>go past the hole to have decent you do right,

852
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.480
<v Speaker 1>for all the reasons we just mentioned earlier, the hole

853
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:17.320
<v Speaker 1>can't be the target. You have to always think a

854
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 1>little bit past the hole should be the should be

855
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:21.199
<v Speaker 1>the for distance control, especially.

856
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Right good yes, yeah, good. Now. There's been a lot

857
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:29.360
<v Speaker 2>of controversy in the last few weeks about aim point yea.

858
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Lucas Glover has come out on his on his uh

859
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Serious XM show, and he was lambassing. Even Jim Nantz

860
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.000
<v Speaker 2>was complaining about that game point because of what it

861
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.159
<v Speaker 2>does to the pace of play, and does it work

862
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:48.199
<v Speaker 2>or does it not tell tell us your feelings about

863
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:48.719
<v Speaker 2>aame point.

864
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:50.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, I've worked with a lot of people, good

865
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.480
<v Speaker 1>players who use it, and the general consensus seems to

866
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:57.760
<v Speaker 1>be if you suck at reading greens, and sometimes good

867
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.719
<v Speaker 1>players do suck at it, it can really help you

868
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.039
<v Speaker 1>to read the green better. There's no question about that.

869
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.079
<v Speaker 1>It helps people come up with more accurate reads. The

870
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:12.039
<v Speaker 1>problem is it can put you in a non athletic mindset, which,

871
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.079
<v Speaker 1>if you know how you know what I teach, I'm

872
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>so big, I'm not doing that what I call contamination,

873
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:22.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, thinking too much, right, paralysis from over analysis.

874
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.280
<v Speaker 1>And it does take time, so it does tend to

875
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:30.079
<v Speaker 1>make a slow play issue, and it tends to make

876
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:33.719
<v Speaker 1>you thinking too much instead of being more reactive. Yeah,

877
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:36.840
<v Speaker 1>So I think if there was a way maybe to

878
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:38.800
<v Speaker 1>speed it up, I'm not sure there is, but if

879
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:41.960
<v Speaker 1>there was a way to do it quickly and then

880
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:44.880
<v Speaker 1>switch over to an athletic mindset once you've done the

881
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:50.079
<v Speaker 1>read then I don't see a problem with it. No.

882
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:56.159
<v Speaker 2>We We had someone on recently who was talking about

883
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:02.320
<v Speaker 2>he's a surveyor, I trade right, So to him, it's

884
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.800
<v Speaker 2>all math. Yeah, and he says, if you use his system,

885
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:11.280
<v Speaker 2>you know you can't misread a putt because it's all math.

886
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Once it's math, how can you go wrong? Right? It's

887
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:21.400
<v Speaker 2>like x's and o's are ones and zeros. Why why

888
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:25.360
<v Speaker 2>do why do some of the greats suck at reading greens?

889
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:28.800
<v Speaker 2>There's so many ways to well.

890
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean a lot of it. At a point, I mean,

891
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:33.960
<v Speaker 1>obviously an a point, you're using your external visual channel, your eyeballs.

892
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.480
<v Speaker 1>That's why that's why you do the plumbbob thing and

893
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:38.800
<v Speaker 1>you do the finger thing. But you're also using your

894
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.119
<v Speaker 1>kinesthetic sense in your feet. You're doing kind of a

895
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:45.079
<v Speaker 1>combination of both. I mean, I've been okay, I've never

896
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.360
<v Speaker 1>been great at reading greens, but you know, decent my

897
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.880
<v Speaker 1>whole life. I think pretty good at it. But some

898
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:52.840
<v Speaker 1>of the students I work with are terrible at it.

899
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:54.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I had a guy the other day who

900
00:46:54.400 --> 00:47:00.280
<v Speaker 1>was on a long putt uh at the very end

901
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:03.599
<v Speaker 1>of a two and a half day school and I

902
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:05.719
<v Speaker 1>do this as a ritual at the end of a

903
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:09.320
<v Speaker 1>putting school. So I already knew what the break was,

904
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.280
<v Speaker 1>so I was sort of cheated, but I said, well,

905
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:14.760
<v Speaker 1>what do you think it does? And he says, he says,

906
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I think he said like eight inches outside the left edge,

907
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.559
<v Speaker 1>and I said, no, eight feet. It was eight feet

908
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.400
<v Speaker 1>of break and he only saw eight inches and that's

909
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.719
<v Speaker 1>not unusual. So I think some of it. You have

910
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:30.559
<v Speaker 1>to to really see it. You have to get down

911
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:33.320
<v Speaker 1>really low. I remember Camille vi Jagas years ago used

912
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:35.840
<v Speaker 1>to get down on his belly. You have to get

913
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.679
<v Speaker 1>low to see it. And then you know, Pels and

914
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:41.639
<v Speaker 1>his Putting Bible talked about his research was that it's

915
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:43.920
<v Speaker 1>just human nature to underread the break. And he said

916
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>that high handicappers underread it by three hundred percent, and

917
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:52.199
<v Speaker 1>mid handicaps by two hundred percent, and low handicaps and

918
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.880
<v Speaker 1>tour prosy by close to one hundred percent, which is,

919
00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:59.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, still, that's that's a lot significant. Yeah, And

920
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.239
<v Speaker 1>you know his explanation, which I happen to agree with,

921
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 1>is that because people think there's a point in time

922
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:07.519
<v Speaker 1>where the break starts, which is he called the apex

923
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:11.480
<v Speaker 1>illusion and he's one hundred percent right. Putts are breaking

924
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:15.559
<v Speaker 1>before your eye can pick it up. Right. It doesn't

925
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:17.639
<v Speaker 1>suddenly have a point where it suddenly starts to break

926
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:19.679
<v Speaker 1>toward the hole. It's that's it looks like it for

927
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:22.239
<v Speaker 1>some people, but that's an optical illusion. It's breaking way

928
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:26.119
<v Speaker 1>before that, which is why when I ask people, do

929
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.920
<v Speaker 1>you do you use the cup as a reference point

930
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>for your start line? You know, so it'd be center

931
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:35.079
<v Speaker 1>of the cup, left edge or right edge basically right,

932
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.679
<v Speaker 1>And people say, no, I never used the cup. I

933
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.400
<v Speaker 1>use I use the apex where the break is. They're

934
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 1>they're terrible at reading greens. That's part of it.

935
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what about using the cup as a clock?

936
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

937
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:51.559
<v Speaker 2>What right? And yeah, I want I want the ball

938
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:54.159
<v Speaker 2>to go you know, like looking right at the cup,

939
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:58.840
<v Speaker 2>that's six six o'clock. And for young people, sorry we're

940
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:02.400
<v Speaker 2>not going digital here, but if you're looking at the

941
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:04.320
<v Speaker 2>cup and you want the ball to go in, say

942
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 2>at four o'clock, right.

943
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right inside that's when it breaks inside the cup.

944
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:11.159
<v Speaker 1>You have to do that for sure. You have to

945
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:14.039
<v Speaker 1>use the clung system. Yeah, okay, or you could just

946
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:17.840
<v Speaker 1>help you can see control too, right, Oh yeah, for sure, definitely.

947
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:20.400
<v Speaker 1>But you could rather than use the clock, you could

948
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:22.400
<v Speaker 1>just say I want I see my start line as

949
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:26.719
<v Speaker 1>a quarter inch inside the left edge, right, because it's

950
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:28.880
<v Speaker 1>breaking to the right, so that's where you want to

951
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:30.159
<v Speaker 1>you want to start at the cour Or you could

952
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 1>say I want to be an inch and half inside

953
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:36.239
<v Speaker 1>the left edge, yeah, which is basically the same thing

954
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:37.840
<v Speaker 1>as using the clock system.

955
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:41.039
<v Speaker 2>I I ask friends frequently it's like, how many puts

956
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:43.840
<v Speaker 2>did you have today? They're like, I don't know. It's like, well,

957
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.159
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute. They give you two putts for every

958
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:51.480
<v Speaker 2>hole on the score card, so you know, are you

959
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.719
<v Speaker 2>one petting at all? Are you You know you're getting

960
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:57.639
<v Speaker 2>close on your chip ends obviously, But but what what

961
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:02.320
<v Speaker 2>are the numbers for the various handicap, low, mid, high

962
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:06.519
<v Speaker 2>handicappers they should be Should they be keeping track of

963
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:08.639
<v Speaker 2>how many putts and what is the number they should

964
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:09.599
<v Speaker 2>be trying to achieve?

965
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't even think it should because to me,

966
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:15.440
<v Speaker 1>putting is so much easier in terms of the mechanics

967
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.119
<v Speaker 1>of the stroke compared to the full swing and a

968
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of the short game strokes. There's just no excuse.

969
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Although to ask the average teaching pro how many people

970
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:26.679
<v Speaker 1>in a year ask for a putting lesson, like one

971
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:28.960
<v Speaker 1>or two? Nobody takes putting.

972
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Lessons, Nobody, I want more distance.

973
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but if they did, and those you can, I

974
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:39.400
<v Speaker 1>actually can teach people to do as good a putting

975
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:46.159
<v Speaker 1>stroke as the tour pros and four or five hours. Wow,

976
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:48.360
<v Speaker 1>and what would be a habit after? No, they still

977
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:49.960
<v Speaker 1>have to practice when they go home, but I mean,

978
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:51.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, within a very short period of time they

979
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.199
<v Speaker 1>can learn because there's not much going on and you're

980
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.320
<v Speaker 1>basically all you're doing is rocking your shoulder girl like that,

981
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 1>using your abs, your low back muscles, so there's not

982
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:03.159
<v Speaker 1>much to it. But you know, if you if you're

983
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 1>halfway decent, if you can break one hundred, let's say,

984
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:08.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, you don't want to have more than thirty

985
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:13.079
<v Speaker 1>two putts around? Wow. Yeah again, if you want to

986
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:15.000
<v Speaker 1>be decent, thirty two is a good number to go for.

987
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean the tour pros, I think average is average

988
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:19.559
<v Speaker 1>closer to twenty eight to twenty nine something like that.

989
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. And also when I'm in the thirty, when

990
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm in the thirty thirty one range, yeah, thirty two thirty,

991
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:27.920
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty good. That's when I'm shooting in the seventies.

992
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it also depends on how good

993
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:33.519
<v Speaker 1>your ball striking is, because if you if you're missing

994
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.519
<v Speaker 1>a lot of greens, and because of that, you had

995
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:38.960
<v Speaker 1>to rely on your short game to score. Meaning you're

996
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:40.599
<v Speaker 1>good at the short game, you're going to have fewer

997
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:43.320
<v Speaker 1>putts than someone who hits a lot of greens. Yeah, right,

998
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:45.559
<v Speaker 1>So you have to kind of facor that into it too.

999
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:51.199
<v Speaker 2>But absolutely absolutely, Oh good job, Jimmy, thank you, thank you.

1000
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:56.880
<v Speaker 2>That was awesome. I appreciate that. And again, Episode thirty

1001
00:51:56.920 --> 00:52:00.280
<v Speaker 2>six with Jim Waldron of the Golf Smarter podcast is

1002
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.480
<v Speaker 2>now complete. Thank you, Jim, always great to talk to you.

1003
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:04.679
<v Speaker 1>Thanks do it again.

1004
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:12.159
<v Speaker 2>M HM.