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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Michael olfand from Farlow, North Dakota. I

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play at Rose Creek Golf Course.

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Speaker 2: This is golf Smarter number nine eight nine.

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Speaker 1: So if you play slow greens and you were going

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to practice the proper approach speed, you would put a

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club shaft behind the hole at exactly fifteen inches past

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the back of the cup. You would cut to miss

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on purpose. You would actually aim maybe a foot to

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the right of the actual hole, and you would try

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to get your balls to just gently stop right at

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that fifteen inch mark up against the shaft. Because if

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you play in really particularly on public horses in the South,

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with Bermuda grass, which is very slow, it needs to

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have more speed than that last foot of going into

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the hole to improve your odds of lipping in versus

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slipping out. There was just going to be more imperfections

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in the green and more footprints, particularly if you play

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it in a bermuda green golf course in the South

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or like here in Hawaii. And if you play on

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medium speed greens, you want that shaft to be at

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eleven inches, And if you play on fast greens, which

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almost exclusively private clubs, you would put it at seven inches.

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So there was the ball would roll by seven inches

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if you were trying to miss on purpose on fast greens,

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it would roll by eleven inches on medium greens and

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fifteen inches on slow greens.

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Speaker 2: Pudding and chipping around the green drills, tips and advice

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with Jim Waldron from Balance Point Golf. This is golf Smurder,

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sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to

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help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf

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s Murder podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Fred. I think this is my fifty thousand appearance.

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Speaker 2: Well guess what, Yeah, I went through the spreadsheet and

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I looked it up this time. I couldn't fall asleep

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last night going don't forget to look up Jim's how

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many times Jim's been on the podcast. And here's some

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statistics for you since you're a fan of as. Okay,

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your first your first appearance was on episode one hundred

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and five on December eighteenth, two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it sounds about right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you were on and then you were on once

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in two thousand and eight, then you were on a

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bunch and eleven in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen,

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you did two episodes back to back. We were doing

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the members only and they were on Putting, which you thought,

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we've never done anything on Putting.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well I'm being treated for Alzheimer's right now?

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Should I should let you know that in your audience.

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Take what you're here with a grain of salt.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're kidding person, kidding good, it's not funny.

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And then so that twenty fourteen we did two episodes

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in Putting. It was the only time you were on

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in twenty fourteen. You were only on once in twenty

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sixteen and once in twenty seventeen, m and once in

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twenty nineteen. But you were on monumental episodes of four hundred,

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number six hundred, number eight hundred.

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Speaker 1: Remember that.

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Speaker 2: But it's not going to be nine hundreds. It's not

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gonna be one thousand. Sorry I don't know what that's

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going to be. But anyway, this is drum roll. Please,

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this is Do I actually have a drum roll? Oh my,

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I think I do.

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Speaker 3: Wait wait, look atm No, No that's not no, all right,

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shut up, okay, yay, okay, stop okay.

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Speaker 2: So the only times I've ever used those buttons. So

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this is your thirty sixth appearance. Wow at it far

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far more than anybody.

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Speaker 1: Else in the podcast. Well, it's almost honored, that is me.

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I'm honored and you were a one time with me.

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So does it count when I'm hosting you? Does that?

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Did you count as one of the thirty six? Well?

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Speaker 2: Of course that was what was that eight hundred?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Cool.

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Speaker 2: But you've become a podcast slot, haven't you.

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Speaker 1: I'm shameless.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting in for all kinds of bizarre podcasts. It's

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it's funny, is that right? Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well good good?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And how's business?

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Speaker 1: Fantash can't I mean, busiest I've ever been by.

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Speaker 2: Far, because you're a podcast star. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I'm in Hawaii on the beach like I have

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been for the last thirty years and enjoying Hawaiian Yep,

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just came up from my morning walk and swim in

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Speaker 2: You told me you turned your phone off.

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Speaker 1: This is not my phone, that's that's FaceTime computer.

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Speaker 2: We've talked so many times about how difficult it is

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for you to just log in to this, and we

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logged in on the first try today right at the

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schedule time. It's amazing. But of course we're going to

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have glitches somebody trying to get into.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully that'll be the only one. And we'll add

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a lot of I promise to the audience that you're

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not going to hear all of all of us trying

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to figure out how to shut that up.

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Speaker 1: No's what's funny. We were talking about that because about

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how busy so when people you know, that's what I mean.

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I've been doing so many webcam lessons, mainly for people

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who suffer from yips or just poor mental game from

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all over the planet. I'm still working with people on

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their swing and their short game mechanics and obviously putting mechanics,

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but it's sort of sort of blossom in the yips

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to talk about putting today since we haven't done it

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in thirteen years. But I also want to talk about

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and God, I hope this isn't the yips, but I'm

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really struggling around the edges of the green on I

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chipping on. I have these great little I have a

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great stroke. I have a great practice stroke and then

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I go and I either chunk it, double hit it,

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or fly it across the green just you know, scull

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it and go and it goes and I'm like, what

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is going on? I used to be really good at

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this and get it right near.

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Speaker 1: The hall chipping or putting off the green.

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Speaker 2: Chipping, chipping chipping, you know, from like cause I don't

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like to putt over rough. I want to get the ball.

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Speaker 1: You have to you have to chip pitch for sure, right,

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Speaker 2: Know that Tony Manzoni gave me this one tip that

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works so well for so long of taking like an

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eight iron and putting it more upright and putting it

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on the toe and just do a little putting stroke

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for it. But it's just it's not.

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Speaker 1: Well, that shot does not work if you're out of

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the rough. That only works if you're basically on the

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fringe with the ball sitting up in a really good line.

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That's called chipping. Okay, Yeah, it's what's something that Paul Runyon,

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you have to be on the fringe with the ball

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sitting up for that technique to work.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if I'm another yard off the green and

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im and I'm in rough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, then you either have to do what's called modern shipping,

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which is chipping with a little bit of riskcock and release,

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or you got to do pitching, which is a half

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to even a full wrist cock, so different, you know,

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different technique than what you've been using. You you know

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which whenever you're in the rough, you have to come

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in on a steeper angle to get some club face

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on the ball, right, you can't come in shallow and

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classical chipping you come in pretty shallow, so you can't

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use classical chipping, you know, old school chipping. So it's

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a little harder shot because you have to time the

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release anytime, anytime you're setting a wrist angle, you have

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to release the angle on the downswing and that takes

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obviously timing and skill, you know, more skill than if

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you're using no risks. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: M hmm, Okay, are we solved? Is it is that

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all I need to know?

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Speaker 1: No, there's always more than that.

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Speaker 2: That's why I brought you one. Of course, well more

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I need more. Fix it, fix it.

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Speaker 1: Well, you got to keep your way forward, right, because

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if you want to, if you want to increase the

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angle of attack, you have to One way to do

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that is to put your weight more forward, lean your

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hands forward more so you have more forward chaffleen. Open

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the face of your lob wedge or your sand wedge,

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which are the two primary tools you're going to use

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in a shot like that. When you open the face,

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you expose more bounce, and the bounce slides through the

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rough better than the leading edge. The leading edge if

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it presents first, it'll it'll it'll encounter too much resistance

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Speaker 2: And do I want like on my my the wedge

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that I use for my lob is a fifty six

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degree and and then there's a second number on these wedges,

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and that's basically what the bounce is, right, I think

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mine is a ten. So what are the numbers? Not

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much bounce? What the higher number is less bounce and

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the low number is more bounce.

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Speaker 1: Now the higher number, the higher number if it's the

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bounced number, because it could also be the loft some

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of these wedges have the loft angle imprinted, like fifty

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six degree would be the loft for example, right, And

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the most common bounce degree of bounce with a fifty

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six degrees sand wedge is fourteen degrees of bounce, but

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you can get them with twelve or even as little

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as ten. But I mean, to me, having only ten

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degrees bounce out of sand wedge is crazy. It kind

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of defeats the whole purpose. So, I mean, I've got

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one that has sixteen degrees of bounce. So you want

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you want to you know, bounce as your friend. You

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want to have a fair amount of bounce on your

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sandwich for sure.

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Speaker 2: Right, and that's for softer sand I mean, we really

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discussed this a little bit more. I think it's enlightening

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for a lot of people to understand what what bounce

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Speaker 1: In their way, Yeah, what the way bounce works? Well, Well,

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the best way to understand is to know the story

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of of uh uh Am. I'm having a senior moment,

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who was the Italian tour pro who invented the sandwich,

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whom I thinking of back in the nineteen thirties of

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the British Open. I don't know, I'm having a senior moment.

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But anyhow, he invented the same, but he invented the

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sandwidge Toeppe sandwich, Yeah, exactly, just Gisepe, my friend Giuseppe.

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of metal I forgot what it was on the bottom

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of his U pitching wedge, and he had the club

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fitter bend the pitching wedged like a lot, so there

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was a more loft. I think it was lead if

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I remember I so had this gobs of lead on

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the bottom and that works the way a keel on

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a boat works, so it can go through the water faster.

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a wedge, it's it slides through the turf better and

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it slides through the sand better. But if you don't

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have bounced, then the leading edge tends to dig in

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the grass or dig in the sand. So that's the

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whole idea. To provide some some more speed, more zip

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through the ground with a more stable club face angle,

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you need bounce.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And for those folks who are playing jee.

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Speaker 1: Jeans Sarason there you go.

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Speaker 2: I knew it was going to pop into your head and.

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Speaker 1: Made those Alzheimer drugs are really helping today. I say.

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Speaker 2: So for those folks who live in areas that have

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more uh packed sand, it's not fluffy.

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Speaker 1: You want lower bounce, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Want lower bounds. And then what about if you're playing

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a hard pan and you you know you're going to

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use a pitching wedge out there, and you're playing and

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that's not a lot of grass and it's the ground

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was. The harder the pan, you know, the

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less fluffy the lie is, so to speak, whether it's

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in sand or on the on the fairway or in

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the rough. Uh, the firmer the lie, the less bounce

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you need they want, okay, because if you have too

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much bounce, then that bounce will keep the leading edge

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too high during the impact, just before, during and after impact.

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And in fact that you can even you can literally

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even bounce off the ground. You can skull the ball

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over the green if you have too much bounce, it

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literally bounce off the ground. Yeah. So like in the

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Pacific Northwest where I live, and you know in Oregon

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and Washington, we get a lot of rain most of

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the year except for a couple of months in the

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middle of summer. And so generally the better players here

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have like a if they have a fifty six degree

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sand wedge, they may only have twelve degrees of bounce

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eleven something like that. But if you look play in

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South Florida where they have those those almost talcum powder

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greenside bunkers where it's really light, powdery sand, you might

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have sixteen degrees of bounce on your sandwich. Yeah, So

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generally what I recommend is fourteen degrees on your sandwich

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and ten nine or ten degrees on your love which

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that seems to be the best combination for most people.

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So a little a little less bounce on the on

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the love witch.

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Speaker 2: So actually I use my fifty three degree as my

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sand wedge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's probably a fifty four that was bent

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to fifty three, probably, I'm guessing, okay, yeah, because I

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don't really know nobody. I really find that a fifty

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three degree.

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Speaker 2: And I spread my legs wide and I crouched down,

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I get down and I'm able to you know, I've

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had more success doing that in the sand than using

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unless of course I'm on a green side bunker that

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the pin is very close, then I'll go with a

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higher lofted my fifty six and try to just get

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under it and let it pop up. Is that right?

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Speaker 1: You never really want to try to get under it.

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That you want to try and get under it is

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your your conscious mind using language expressing what's called in

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your unconscious mind scooping impulse. Okay, even on a flop shot,

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you should not try to get under it, right, because

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that that'll almost certainly make you either hit it really

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thin and skull it or maybe hit it really fat.

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Speaker 2: M Yeah, but there's that there's that common myth I

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guess or notion of you want to you want to

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in the bunker, you want to get like under the ball. Yeah,

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that's just hitting behind it.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're you're hitting behind it on purpose, you're hitting

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it heavy fat on purpose. But you never want to

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feel like you're trying to get under it. Remember, you're

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think of it from the standpoint of your wrists, and

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your wrists on cocking is what creates most of the

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downward force into the clubbed on all golf shots where

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you're cocking your wrists, which lifts the clubb up towards

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the sky on the backswing. Your bus basically reversing chorus

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on the forward swing, so you're always hitting down the

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clubed's going down from your wrists and any where you

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set your wristcock angle on the backswing. So what what's

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getting getting under is when people go sideways with their rest,

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which is called flipping, which is a bad, bad flaw

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that almost all golfers have unless they're really good. Yeah.

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The loft built into the club makes the ball get airborne.

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You don't need to help out by trying to get

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underneath it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so then I don't necessarily need a higher lofty

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club when I'm yeah, you.

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Speaker 1: Do need a lot. Everybody should have a lob wedge

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in their bag, which is generally sixty, but it could

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be a fifty eight degree.

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Speaker 2: But he's really hard to hit.

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Speaker 1: If your technique sucks. Yeah, yeah, but you can.

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Speaker 2: You can take a handicap or as a sixty degree. Yeah,

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you're not necessarily.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if your handicap is roughly twenty or higher,

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you probably don't have the skill to hit a lob wodge.

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Well yeah, okay with that, Yeah, I use mine all

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the time all the time.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I do too. I mean my fifty six. I

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used to use a sixty bit, but I was not

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getting Sometimes I would need it for like a fifty

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yard shot, and with my sixty I couldn't reach it.

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But with this fifty my fifty six, I'm pretty good

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up to sixty five yards and I can go different

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distances on it. Yeah, it's just when I get in

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the rough around the green, that's when I I didn't

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want to make the choke sound, so I just made

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the vomiting vomit sound.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. We all know that sound.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right. Should we talking about putting?

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Speaker 2: You want to talk about pudding? I would love to

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talk about.

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Speaker 1: Putting, Okay, So here's my story. I'm putting. I was

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never very good at it until about twelve years ago

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my dad.

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Speaker 2: What happened then?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you. My dad was really good. He was.

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He only got down to about a ten handicap, but

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he was like a plus three at putting. He practiced

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putting every night, like like in commercials back in the

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day when you couldn't you know, before there were TV

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remotes and you had to wait for the commercial. He

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would just practice putting. For three minutes all the commercials

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were running, and he got really good at it. But

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I never liked it. I always thought it was kind

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of boring. And I had this round of golf here

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in the north shore of Oahu at Turtle Bay, at

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the Palmer Course, which is probably the best course in

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Hawaii and one of the hardest courses for sure, and

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I shot by ball striking that day was really good.

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I think I hit fifteen greens or something like that

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in like twenty mile an hour trade winds.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: But I missed like four putts, four birdie putts, I

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think three birdie putts and one par saving putt within say,

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four to six feet, and they were makeable putts. I

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ended up shooting like, I think seventy four for the day,

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something like that could have been if I had made

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all those potts, it would have been you know, like

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sixty nine or something. And so that kind of was

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a wake up call. So I decided this was like

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twelve years ago. I said, you know, I really don't

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know what I'm doing, what I'm doing with a putter,

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and I better figure this out. So I spent the

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next year really intensely investigating putting instantly learned a lot

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of stuff that most people, most amateurs, have never heard of,

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and even most teaching pros, I think, still don't understand

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about putting really and I totally changed my system of

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how to teach it, and I've had absolutely incredible results

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teaching it since then to people. Yeah, but it's it's

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a very different approach. I'll just give you a quick

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sort of overview and then you can feel free to

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throw some questions at me. But the first principle of

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the Waldron putting system is the fact that your ball

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is on the putting surface doesn't mean you should always

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use the same grip. And you know, you shouldn't always

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think of every putt as being basically the same. It's

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not so. In my system, there's four different types of

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putts you could encounter in a typical round of golf,

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and it's based on the distance the ball is from

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the hole number one and number two. How much the

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distance the ball is from the hole involves line control

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versus distance control. So here's what it is. So if

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you're if you have a short put what I call

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a short putt, and I'm talking about for the vast

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majority of golf courses today, they're between nine and eleven

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on the stint meter. Probably ten is average today of

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a decent, you know, well maintained golf course. There obviously

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are faster ones that the tour guys play on, and

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there are slower ones here in the un courses in

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Hawhi where they're like seven or eight, you know, but

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vast majority of courses are nine, ten, eleven. Yeah, So

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when you're putting within seven feet of the hole, that's

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what I call a short putt. And you should think

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of that putt as ninety percent about line control only

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ten percent distance control, because most of the time when

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you miss a short putt like that, it's mostly not

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always it's because you're ball veered left or right of

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the intended line. And I'm assuming you know you can

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read the line properly right. In other words, you you

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didn't hit it on the line you inten So you

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miss left or right only ten percent of the time.

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If you're halfway decent at putting, do you miss those

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putts because you blew it by the hole with too

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much speed or you didn't get it to the hole right.

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So you got to think of that as a putt

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that's mostly about having good line control. Yeah, so that

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means it's possible to use a different grip on that

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short putt than you would use on say a sixty

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five foot putt. And I'm loving the timing of this

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podcast because I was watching the PJ event Tory Pines

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the last couple of days and the number one player

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in the world, Scotti Scheffler, has been doing this for

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a while now, I think for the last year or so.

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He puts with what some people call I like to

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call it the paintbrush grip, kind of like this. Some

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people call that the saw grip. When he's within fifteen

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to twenty feet and when he's outside fifteen to twenty feet,

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he does a conventional putting grip. And I've been teaching that.

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That part I've been teaching for a long time, over

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twenty years.

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Speaker 2: And what's the what's the value of that?

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Speaker 1: The value is the conventional grip, which is sometimes called

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the reverse overlap palms neutral where your palms are basically

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parallel to the club face. You do a reverse Yeah. Yeah,

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that is really good for feeling the weight of the

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club head and the speed that your hands and clubhead

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are moving. So it's really good for distance control, but

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it's not so good for line control because it allows

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too much risk action and risk and forearm rotation. When

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you when you rotate your wrists and forearms, you're altering

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the face angle. The club face will either will roll

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shut or roll open.

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Speaker 2: And you know, interestingly, that's kind of why I moved

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to a broomstick or now a sweeper. You can't use

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the word broomstick anywhere where you're talking about lab golf, Yeah, yeah,

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because some company now owns that word.

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Speaker 1: Oh is that right? I had no idea.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, broomstick you can use broom handle is okay?

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Speaker 1: And sleeper it's a yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how they anyway, But I switched over

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to a broomstick. I'll call it that for now because

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we all know what I'm talking about. I did that

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for about because my hands were getting in the way

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with my normal length thirty three and a half inch putter.

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And but I used the broomstick for about four months

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and I could barely get under thirty six putts, where

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before I was in the thirty two thirty three range

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and sometimes thirty you know, so I went back to

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my thirty three inch thirty three and a half inch,

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talking about four months with the broomstick's work.

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Speaker 1: Anyhow, So in my putting system, you use two grips.

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Use what I call a short putt grip around fifteen

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to twenty feet or less wow, because it creates better

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face angle stability, So left hand low would be the

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most popular of those. Then there's the saw grip, the

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one that Scotti Scheffler's using. Then there's a Christ Marco

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clawgrip up, there's a Paul Runyon grip. There's split hand

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left hand low, which is what I do. I separate

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my hands by about an inch left hand low, and

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I rotate my left hand about forty five degrees to

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face the sky. So that's a form of an armlock grip.

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So the knuckles on my right hand are pressing against

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the inside of my left wrist with equal sideways pressure.

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So the universal aspect of a short putt grip is

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it creates massive club face angle stability, and it also

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tends to almost totally inhibit any tendency to flip your wrists.

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And you know, mid to high handicap amateurs often will

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flip their wrist sideways during right before impact, which is

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a bad flaw to have in your putting stroke. So anyhow,

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so that's part of it. So you use the standard

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putting grip that can so called conventional putting grip roughly

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outside fifteen to twenty feet and one of the short

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putt grips inside it. Then there's four types of potts.

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Again to mention, the short winners are seven feet and

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in from eight feet to about fifteen to twenty feet

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our medium distance putts. And then from twenty one feet

478
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,200
to about forty four feet our long our medium long putts.

479
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,400
And then anything outside forty five feet I call a

480
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:20,480
long putt. And what I teach is differing amounts of

481
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:24,519
grip pressure, four differing amounts of grip pressure. What's called

482
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,279
sideways triangle pressure, one of Hogan's concepts, which applies to

483
00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:32,240
all golf shots, including putting. That means you squeeze your

484
00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:36,160
upper arms, your elbows, your forearms, and your hands toward

485
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,799
each other sideways with equal pressure. And the more stability

486
00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:43,839
you want in the club head and you want a lot,

487
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:46,920
you want a ton of stability in the club, particularly

488
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,640
in the face angle on a super short putt, the

489
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,599
more triangle pressure you apply and the more grip pressure.

490
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:55,359
So when I'm working with a student, I'm teaching him

491
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,319
how to be much better at putting, at making putts

492
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:02,160
within seven feet, he has very firm ret pressure. Overall,

493
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:09,160
he has high intensity sideways pressure, and he also has

494
00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:12,720
high intensity connection pressure. Connection pressure means the pressure of

495
00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:17,960
your tricep against your pectoral muscles going behind you. And

496
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:21,559
if you watch Tiger Woods, who's insanely great and very

497
00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:23,880
short putts within seven feet, you can see him do

498
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,559
that and how he doesn't do it on longer putts.

499
00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:28,799
He actually you can see him kind of fit his

500
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,480
particularly his left tricep against his left peck and press

501
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,200
it there when he's putting within roughly seven feet. So

502
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,519
in that type of a pot, there is no there

503
00:25:39,559 --> 00:25:42,599
should be no slack in the system at all, meaning

504
00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:46,119
your upper arms should stay glued deer pecks anytime you're

505
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,240
putting within seven feet. Yeah, Whereas on a putt that's

506
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:53,440
outside forty five feet, you need to have some sideways

507
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,680
motion of your upper arms brushing, brushing against your pecks,

508
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,480
moving against sideways against your pecks, still still touching your pecks,

509
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,559
but they're brushing, they're moving. Yeah, because you have to

510
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:07,480
make a bigger stroke. So you can't. You can't. You

511
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,200
couldn't use a connection pressure stroke on a longer putt

512
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,079
because you wouldn't. You wouldn't move the putter hardly at

513
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,759
any distance in space. Right, So we've got four different

514
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,680
amounts of sideways pressure, connection pressure, grip pressure, and then

515
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,759
the fourth one is called ring the flannel. Have you

516
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:26,960
ever heard Hogan talk about ring the flannel pressure?

517
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,559
Speaker 2: You know that is never talk to Hogan.

518
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: Oh, well, you should talk to him. He's fantastic. He's

519
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,799
really good at parties. He's very entertaining.

520
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 2: If I have one, Yeah, you should invite him over.

521
00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:43,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just just you're gonna watch the martinis. Too

522
00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:43,920
many martini.

523
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,759
Speaker 2: We'll get it. We'll get them for episode one thousand,

524
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,000
the Ghost of Smarter. That would be no, no, we'll

525
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:52,640
just get Hogan. I'm not going on even the.

526
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:57,279
Speaker 1: Ghost Okay, no no. But anyhow, he learned this from

527
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,440
h Scottish touring probe and he applied it to all

528
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,799
his golf shots, full shots, short game shots and putts.

529
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,400
But what you do is you, once you take the

530
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,599
proper grip, you gently squeeze each hand toward each other

531
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,799
in a twisting motion, So your left hand on the

532
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:16,640
putting grip twists like an eighth of an inch to

533
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,799
the right, and your right hand twists an eighth of

534
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:22,240
an inch to the left with equal pressure. So it's

535
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:25,680
almost like ring the flannels the Scottish term for ringing

536
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,960
a wet towel dry. So it's like you're you're not

537
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:31,599
physically moving your fingers on the handle, that would be

538
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,920
a mistake, but you're only doing it with your muscles

539
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,440
without actually moving your fingers. So I'm talking really really

540
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,920
really subtle pressure. Right, But when I'm doing a very

541
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,720
short pot, I have a higher intensity ring the flannel

542
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,839
pressure than I do on a sixty five foot putt. Right,

543
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,920
I basically have almost none on a long pot, and

544
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,279
I have a lot on a short putt. That's the idea.

545
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,319
And again, because we need more club face stability on

546
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,680
a s and we need more feel awareness for how

547
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,279
big emotion and how fast emotion on longer putts for

548
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,319
distance control, because long puts are mostly about distance control,

549
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,079
not line control.

550
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,559
Speaker 2: Okay, I am such a lab rat. I am so

551
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,400
enamored with with lab golf, and I know not everybody's

552
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,839
bought into it yet, because probably because of price. But

553
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,000
one of the things that they talk about and that

554
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:39,880
they're trying to they have scientifically cured is torque, right,

555
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:42,839
is take the torque out. And you I hear you

556
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:46,480
saying a lot of things about twisting and avoiding the

557
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,240
tist and that's what we're talking about. We're talking about

558
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:52,000
that's why wouldn't you have a putter that just now

559
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:54,440
that they're available, what put that prevents that?

560
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:58,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? So the lab putters will make will absolutely create

561
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,400
a more stable face angle during the stroke, but it

562
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,000
still doesn't eliminate uh, instability.

563
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: Okay.

564
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:09,279
Speaker 1: That you have to do as a skilled athlete. You

565
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:13,880
have to learn how to maintain a neutral putter face

566
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,160
angle to your path throughout the stroke.

567
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, And that's this.

568
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: Gets to something else I mentioned Tiger. There's there's a

569
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:25,599
there's a I think mistaken view that Tiger is sort

570
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:28,920
of promulgated called releasing the putter, which is the idea

571
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,279
when you talk about releasing the club face in a

572
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:34,960
long game shot, in a few short game shots, it

573
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:38,599
means that just before impact and just after the toe

574
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,960
is moving faster than the heel, So there's independent face

575
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,079
angle rotation independent of the path. That's not really a

576
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:48,799
thing in putting in my based on my research, right,

577
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,400
it doesn't. It doesn't actually release. Now, you can do it,

578
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,720
and Tiger does do it. He does rotate the toe

579
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:58,000
a little faster than the heel. He uses his wrists.

580
00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:03,759
He's using very old school putting methods that he learned

581
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:06,720
as a child. Right, And you can certainly do it

582
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,440
that way. And so I'm saying, if you can do

583
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,720
it that way, but why would you. Most amateurs basically

584
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:16,759
suck at keeping the face angle stable. I mean people

585
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:19,319
that I will play golf with who are average, average players.

586
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,880
They miss a lot of makeable putts within eight seven

587
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,440
or eight feet because their face angle was rotating either

588
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:30,000
too much to pass the heel, which means they miss

589
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,559
it left if they're right handed, or they go the

590
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:34,599
other way and they roll the face open and they

591
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:37,680
miss to the right. So what I teach, which goes

592
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,880
along with the lab thing, is I want, even on

593
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,559
long putts, I want the face angle to be stable

594
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,720
throughout that I don't want. I don't want any club

595
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,079
face rotation at all. I think I think that's just

596
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:49,799
a myth that you need to have that you know.

597
00:30:53,720 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh there you done. Usually no I was waiting

598
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,240
for you going please okay, no, no, no, please keep going.

599
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the idea is when you have connection pressure,

600
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,400
which again is the upper arm pressing against your pecks

601
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:15,680
in the in the behind you direction, and when you

602
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,119
have sideways pressure, and when you have ring the flannel pressure,

603
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,880
and when you have firmer grip pressure, the combination of

604
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,039
those four things to the highest extent that I advocate,

605
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:30,839
which again is nowhere near maximum, it's still pretty subtle,

606
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,680
that does something I call it takes the slack out

607
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,039
of the system. And the reason why I was a

608
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:40,119
poor putter until twelve years ago is I had way

609
00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,440
too much slack in the system. And I can guarantee

610
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,039
anybody who's listening this ninety nine point ninety nine nine

611
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:48,279
percent of people listening to this podcast have way too

612
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,039
much slack in the system. The system is the so

613
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,839
called triangle of your shoulder girdle and your two arms.

614
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:58,359
And when you have slack in the system, and it

615
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,640
could be anywhere from your fingertips all the way up

616
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,240
into your armpits, the very fact that there's give or

617
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:07,519
slack or not, you know, not being taught enough. No

618
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:12,079
tautness allows the face angle to rotate open or shut

619
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:15,839
and allows your path to be inconsistent. And you want

620
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,160
a neutral path, and you want a stable club face

621
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,200
that stays neutral to the path, and you can't have

622
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,880
that when you have a lot of slack in the system.

623
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:26,720
So removing the slack is why we do those four things,

624
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,359
especially on a very short put and having a little

625
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:32,720
bit of slack on a really long putt is good

626
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:35,799
because a little bit of slack in the system on

627
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,160
a longer put gives you better distance control.

628
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:45,759
Speaker 2: Does that make sense, yes, because distance control is critical.

629
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,079
So what kind of drills? What kind of drills can

630
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:52,039
we do so that we can ingrain this and make

631
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:56,759
this you know, unconscious competence.

632
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,319
Speaker 1: Well, there's a there's a there's various training aids in

633
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:01,960
the market. There often called the putting tripod. It's one

634
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,640
of them, and it's two fiberglass poles that are about

635
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,119
maybe I guess they're about four feet long that connect

636
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,000
with a clamp on the shaft of your putter below

637
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:18,799
the grip, and the poles themselves go underneath your armpits.

638
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,519
So it looks like this V shaped device that's underneath

639
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:26,119
your armpits, and then you simply squeeze your your upper

640
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,759
arms and your forearms and elbows toward each other again

641
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:31,519
with the sideways pressure. So basically this really works. This

642
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:35,519
gives you the sideways pressure almost automatically. I highly recommend

643
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:38,400
some type of a putting tripod aid like that for

644
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,880
people who learn to take the slack out.

645
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:45,119
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I've never heard you, you know, talk

646
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,079
about aids that offer value.

647
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one. The

648
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,200
other way you can think of it, it's just strategically

649
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:57,400
is anytime you're putting, and again I'm not talking about uphill,

650
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,319
I'm talking about level pot obviously got to adjust for

651
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,519
uphill downhill, but anytime you're putting around forty five feet

652
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:05,960
or more, you have to think of that putt as

653
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:08,239
first of all, your odds of making it are close

654
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,480
to zero percent, right, So you're what you're really trying

655
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:14,199
to do is not three putt from there, yeah right,

656
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,280
And that means your first putt has to be reasonably

657
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,199
close to the hole withther than a three foot circle.

658
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,320
And again, most people when they three putt, it's not

659
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,639
because they're like eight feet left or right of the hole.

660
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,199
When the ball stops, it's because they're eight feet short

661
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,639
or eight feet long of the hole. True, right. So

662
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,800
distance control is really so I always say think of

663
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,840
that as ninety percent. That putt is ninety percent about

664
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,880
distance control, only ten percent about line control. And when

665
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,800
you're putting from about twenty one feet to about forty

666
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,079
four feet what I call medium long, it's like seventy

667
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,719
percent distance control, thirty percent line control. And when you're

668
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,280
putting from around eight feet to about fifteen twenty feet,

669
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:55,119
it's like fifty to fifty line control distance control. And

670
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,119
when you're putting seven feet or less, it's ninety percent

671
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:03,199
line control only ten percent distance. Yeah, And so that's

672
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,559
partly why I want people to use two putting grips,

673
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,480
a putting grip for sure outside fifteen twenty feet that

674
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:13,199
promotes good distance control, and a different putting grip within

675
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,880
fifteen twenty feet that promotes better line control. And then

676
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,480
along with what I mentioned earlier, having varying amounts of

677
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,519
ring during the flannel pressure connection pressure, sideways pressure grip pressure.

678
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,960
I mean most of my students when I show them

679
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,519
my grip pressure on a putt within seven feet they're

680
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:32,360
shocked how firm it is, because there's this myth that

681
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,039
as the putts get shorter, you could hold on lighter.

682
00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:36,840
And all I can say is, if you want to

683
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,880
get the putting yips, do that. In fact, so many

684
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,760
of the students I work with who have putting yips,

685
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,039
they mistakenly think I got to hold on really light

686
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,000
with pressure. That's like inviting the yip in, right, because

687
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:51,480
you're starting out with so much slack in your fingers

688
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,800
that it invites the fingers tightening up. Whereas if you

689
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,119
start out tight, they're already tight. There's no more room

690
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:57,320
for the yip to come in, right.

691
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:01,639
Speaker 2: Sure, Sure, Yeah, I don't know if I've ever played

692
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:05,840
with anybody who had two different grips.

693
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: Well, well, apparently I haven't been playing with Scotti lately then, yeah?

694
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:13,039
Speaker 2: Or Phil, No, I've not.

695
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Phil started doing that about four or five years ago.

696
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:17,800
There are about, I guess about ten percent of the

697
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,199
guys on tour I would guess are using two grips,

698
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,800
and have been from the last starting about five years ago.

699
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,800
It's gotten to be a thing, though. Yeah. I think

700
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:29,000
I think twenty years from now everybody will be doing it.

701
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,119
There's no there's no reason not to do it. There

702
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,719
really isn't. There's such an advantage, you know.

703
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:43,159
Speaker 2: So, uh, well, I'm fascinated by if you're short or

704
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,440
long and you're ten feet you have a less chance

705
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,320
of putting it in is if you're seven or eight

706
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,039
feet wide left or right.

707
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: On long putts, I'm talking about very long putts.

708
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, on long putts, yeah. Yeah. And that's interesting to

709
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,880
me because it kind of rings true. I'd like, oh, yeah,

710
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,440
I think the ones that I missed the read, but

711
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:09,519
if I missed the distance sometimes I'll be three putting. Yeah.

712
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:14,440
Why is it then that apparently the tour average the

713
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,880
best players in the world from ten feet are at

714
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:17,639
fifty percent.

715
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,679
Speaker 1: I don't even think it's ten feet. Fred. Last I

716
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,920
looked was about a year ago. The fifty percent mark

717
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:25,679
was like at seven feet. I think from ten feet

718
00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:29,199
they're only making like forty percent. Wow, they're making fifteen

719
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,760
percent roughly a little bit more from fifteen feet. Back

720
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,280
in the day, when Pels first wrote his book put

721
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,639
Like the Pros, I think it was the name of

722
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,679
the book. It came out in the early nineties. He

723
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:43,519
had done a test at Westchester Country Club. Back then,

724
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:46,920
the Westchester Greens were the best on tour, and he

725
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,840
took the top ten putters on tour and they made

726
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:57,079
exactly from six feet. Their make percentage was sixty percent

727
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,639
from six feet straight in putt that had no break

728
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:03,119
in it, And of course there's going to be less

729
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:05,599
on a putt that has a break, right, which most

730
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:10,000
of the time they will like the pros.

731
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, he also has the putting Bible right right.

732
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: The other thing in my system, which is kind of cool,

733
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:22,760
is that for distance control, it's really important to understand

734
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,840
what's called Have you ever heard the term approach speed

735
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,920
and putting approach speed?

736
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: No, but let's uh, let's let's talk about that right

737
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:40,800
after this. Okay, okay, I interrupted you and you wanted

738
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,639
to talk about something that I've not heard about, and

739
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:44,400
that's called approach speed on the putt.

740
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:48,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So this this relates to both how how

741
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:51,360
you master the skill of distance control and putting, but

742
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,039
it also has to do with critically important Yeah. Yeah,

743
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:57,079
it has to do with improving your odds of of

744
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:00,119
a of a putt that actually hits the hole it

745
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,480
being in versus lipping out. That's the whole that's the

746
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:06,519
key to understanding approach sped. What it means is the

747
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:09,639
last foot or so that the putt's traveling before it

748
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:16,159
hits the hole. There's often invisible footprints that Pels discovered

749
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,079
years ago, and you called it the lumpy donut or

750
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:20,760
the volcano because people are standing there and bending over

751
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,679
to get their ball out of the cup, particularly if

752
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:24,400
you play in the public golf course late in the

753
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,920
afternoon in the summer, there's all these there's like an

754
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,719
invisible depression there. And you know, even though we have

755
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,719
soft spikes to say, they still can make little marks

756
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,360
in the green. So there can be little invisible imperfections

757
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,719
in the putting surface that you might not even see

758
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,679
with your naked eye. Because the ball is moving its

759
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:44,079
slowest right before it falls into the hole, those invisible

760
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:47,159
imperfections and the footprints can knot get offline.

761
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 2: So it happened to me last week.

762
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.

763
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: So you want the putting right to the Yeah, what

764
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:58,559
what was that? Exactly? What that?

765
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: So you need to know, oh, that you have to

766
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:05,840
have the proper speed so that the ball will go

767
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,039
up the volcano, over the lumpy donut and will not

768
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:12,280
get knocked offline. Very often by the invisible imperfections, but

769
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,079
also not be moving so fast that it actually lips out.

770
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:20,840
And that speed is dependent on the speed of the

771
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,199
average the average green speed of the courses you play

772
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,519
most often. So in my research I've come up with

773
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,760
a way of measuring it and then a drill to

774
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,159
practice it. And here's what it is. If you're playing

775
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:35,440
on fast and I'm not talking about super fast greens

776
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,280
like they play at the US Open or maybe the

777
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,519
PGA or sometimes the British Open, I'm talking about which

778
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:43,559
are usually you know, thirteen or higher. I'm talking about

779
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:47,800
more realistic horses the average people play. So medium speed

780
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,039
greens are ten to eleven and a half. Fast greens

781
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,599
are eleven and a half to thirteen, and then slow greens,

782
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:55,960
which we have here in Hawaii with the old Hawaiian bermuda,

783
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:58,760
are eight and a half to ten. Right, So if

784
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,480
you play slow green and you were going to practice

785
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,960
the proper approach speed, you would put your club shaft

786
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:09,519
eight club shaft behind the hole at exactly fifteen inches

787
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,559
past the hole, past the back of the cup, and

788
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,119
you would you would put to miss on purpose. You

789
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:18,119
would actually aim maybe a foot to the right of

790
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:20,559
the actual hole, and you would try to get your

791
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:23,719
balls to just gently stop right at that fifteen inch

792
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,679
mark up against the shaft, because if you play on

793
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,119
really particularly on public horses in the South, with Bermuda grass,

794
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,559
which is very slow, it needs to have more speed

795
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:40,679
than that last foot of going into the hole to

796
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,760
improve your odds of lipping in versus slipping out. There

797
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,840
was just going to be more imperfections in the green

798
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,880
and more footprints, particularly if you play in a Bermuda

799
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,199
green golf course in the South or like here in Hawaii. Yeah,

800
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,239
and if you play on medium speed greens, you want

801
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,360
that shaft to be at eleven inches, And if you

802
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,280
play on fat greens, which is almost exclusively you know,

803
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,280
private clubs, you would put it at seven inches. So

804
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,599
there was it. The ball would would roll by seven

805
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:10,880
inches if you were trying to miss on purpose on

806
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,519
fast greens. It would roll by eleven inches on medium

807
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:16,079
greens and fifteen inches on slow greens.

808
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 2: Well, I've always been under the impression that you want

809
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,920
to get your speed so that it goes past the hole.

810
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,159
I want to have enough because everyone everyone comes up

811
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:31,360
short most of the time because they're just trying to

812
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:34,880
let it just drake, you know, just dribble into the

813
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,039
dribbles not the right word, just drop right into the

814
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:41,800
front edge of the hole versus hitting the back rim

815
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:42,840
of the hole. Right.

816
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of my point of saying this. So

817
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,320
this is another way I've explained. When I working with

818
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,320
a student, I have the student, he and I kneel

819
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,079
down on the green. We put a cushion down so

820
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,159
we don't make a hole on the green, but we're

821
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,960
nailing on a cushion, right. The greenskeeper on nuts. If

822
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,760
you see this without a cushion, And I say, if

823
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,440
you play on really fastens, then you want the ball

824
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,159
to roll in, to roll over the front edge and

825
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:07,960
then drop into the front edge of the bottom of

826
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,719
the cup. And medium speeds it rolls to the middle

827
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,519
of the cup and then drops, and on fast greens

828
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:15,239
it rolls to the back edge or even hits the

829
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,000
back edge before it hits the bottom pops down. So

830
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,000
you need to practice again depending on what kind of

831
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,079
greens you play.

832
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: Either, and also it's dependent on if you're going uphill

833
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:24,960
or downhill.

834
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: Well you have to go for that of course.

835
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, right uphill you're gonna want it to go to

836
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:32,840
the back of the hole right and downhill you wanted

837
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,800
to just kind of like fall in correct.

838
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have to practice that. I mean, that's

839
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,159
a skill to make the ball go. The other thing

840
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,920
is that when people have bad distance control. Of the

841
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,400
people who suffer from poor distance control, it's it's like

842
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,480
seventy percent they're short and only thirty percent are long

843
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:54,159
in my experience, so the vast majority of people don't

844
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:56,360
get the ball to the hole. You know, when I've

845
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,519
asked people who were liked it, I go, where do

846
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:00,679
you see the target? They go the I go, No,

847
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:04,360
the cup's not the target, right, and they look at

848
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,960
me like I'm nuts. I go, they go, what are

849
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,480
you talking about? I'm trying to make the ball go

850
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,400
to the hole. No, you have to putt it to

851
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,480
go past the hole to have decent you do right,

852
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,480
for all the reasons we just mentioned earlier, the hole

853
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:17,320
can't be the target. You have to always think a

854
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,159
little bit past the hole should be the should be

855
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,199
the for distance control, especially.

856
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,119
Speaker 2: Right good yes, yeah, good. Now. There's been a lot

857
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:29,360
of controversy in the last few weeks about aim point yea.

858
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:33,159
Lucas Glover has come out on his on his uh

859
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,800
Serious XM show, and he was lambassing. Even Jim Nantz

860
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:43,000
was complaining about that game point because of what it

861
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,159
does to the pace of play, and does it work

862
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,199
or does it not tell tell us your feelings about

863
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:48,719
aame point.

864
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: You know, I've worked with a lot of people, good

865
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,480
players who use it, and the general consensus seems to

866
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,760
be if you suck at reading greens, and sometimes good

867
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,719
players do suck at it, it can really help you

868
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,039
to read the green better. There's no question about that.

869
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:07,079
It helps people come up with more accurate reads. The

870
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:12,039
problem is it can put you in a non athletic mindset, which,

871
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:14,079
if you know how you know what I teach, I'm

872
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,960
so big, I'm not doing that what I call contamination,

873
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,000
you know, thinking too much, right, paralysis from over analysis.

874
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,280
And it does take time, so it does tend to

875
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:30,079
make a slow play issue, and it tends to make

876
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:33,719
you thinking too much instead of being more reactive. Yeah,

877
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,840
So I think if there was a way maybe to

878
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,800
speed it up, I'm not sure there is, but if

879
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,960
there was a way to do it quickly and then

880
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:44,880
switch over to an athletic mindset once you've done the

881
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:50,079
read then I don't see a problem with it. No.

882
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:56,159
Speaker 2: We We had someone on recently who was talking about

883
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:02,320
he's a surveyor, I trade right, So to him, it's

884
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,800
all math. Yeah, and he says, if you use his system,

885
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:11,280
you know you can't misread a putt because it's all math.

886
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:15,440
Once it's math, how can you go wrong? Right? It's

887
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:21,400
like x's and o's are ones and zeros. Why why

888
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,360
do why do some of the greats suck at reading greens?

889
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,800
There's so many ways to well.

890
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it. At a point, I mean,

891
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,960
obviously an a point, you're using your external visual channel, your eyeballs.

892
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,480
That's why that's why you do the plumbbob thing and

893
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,800
you do the finger thing. But you're also using your

894
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,119
kinesthetic sense in your feet. You're doing kind of a

895
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:45,079
combination of both. I mean, I've been okay, I've never

896
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:47,360
been great at reading greens, but you know, decent my

897
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,880
whole life. I think pretty good at it. But some

898
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,840
of the students I work with are terrible at it.

899
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,280
I mean, I had a guy the other day who

900
00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:00,280
was on a long putt uh at the very end

901
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,599
of a two and a half day school and I

902
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:05,719
do this as a ritual at the end of a

903
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,320
putting school. So I already knew what the break was,

904
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,280
so I was sort of cheated, but I said, well,

905
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,760
what do you think it does? And he says, he says,

906
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:19,920
I think he said like eight inches outside the left edge,

907
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,559
and I said, no, eight feet. It was eight feet

908
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:25,400
of break and he only saw eight inches and that's

909
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:28,719
not unusual. So I think some of it. You have

910
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,559
to to really see it. You have to get down

911
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:33,320
really low. I remember Camille vi Jagas years ago used

912
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,840
to get down on his belly. You have to get

913
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,679
low to see it. And then you know, Pels and

914
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,639
his Putting Bible talked about his research was that it's

915
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:43,920
just human nature to underread the break. And he said

916
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,239
that high handicappers underread it by three hundred percent, and

917
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,199
mid handicaps by two hundred percent, and low handicaps and

918
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,880
tour prosy by close to one hundred percent, which is,

919
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:59,360
you know, still, that's that's a lot significant. Yeah, And

920
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:02,239
you know his explanation, which I happen to agree with,

921
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,639
is that because people think there's a point in time

922
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:07,519
where the break starts, which is he called the apex

923
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:11,480
illusion and he's one hundred percent right. Putts are breaking

924
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:15,559
before your eye can pick it up. Right. It doesn't

925
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:17,639
suddenly have a point where it suddenly starts to break

926
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:19,679
toward the hole. It's that's it looks like it for

927
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,239
some people, but that's an optical illusion. It's breaking way

928
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,119
before that, which is why when I ask people, do

929
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:28,920
you do you use the cup as a reference point

930
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,440
for your start line? You know, so it'd be center

931
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,079
of the cup, left edge or right edge basically right,

932
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,679
And people say, no, I never used the cup. I

933
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:40,400
use I use the apex where the break is. They're

934
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,360
they're terrible at reading greens. That's part of it.

935
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about using the cup as a clock?

936
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

937
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:51,559
Speaker 2: What right? And yeah, I want I want the ball

938
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,159
to go you know, like looking right at the cup,

939
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,840
that's six six o'clock. And for young people, sorry we're

940
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,400
not going digital here, but if you're looking at the

941
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,320
cup and you want the ball to go in, say

942
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,719
at four o'clock, right.

943
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right inside that's when it breaks inside the cup.

944
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,159
You have to do that for sure. You have to

945
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,039
use the clung system. Yeah, okay, or you could just

946
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:17,840
help you can see control too, right, Oh yeah, for sure, definitely.

947
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,400
But you could rather than use the clock, you could

948
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,400
just say I want I see my start line as

949
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,719
a quarter inch inside the left edge, right, because it's

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breaking to the right, so that's where you want to

951
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you want to start at the cour Or you could

952
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say I want to be an inch and half inside

953
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the left edge, yeah, which is basically the same thing

954
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as using the clock system.

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Speaker 2: I I ask friends frequently it's like, how many puts

956
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did you have today? They're like, I don't know. It's like, well,

957
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wait a minute. They give you two putts for every

958
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hole on the score card, so you know, are you

959
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one petting at all? Are you You know you're getting

960
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,639
close on your chip ends obviously, But but what what

961
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are the numbers for the various handicap, low, mid, high

962
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handicappers they should be Should they be keeping track of

963
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how many putts and what is the number they should

964
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be trying to achieve?

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't even think it should because to me,

966
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putting is so much easier in terms of the mechanics

967
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of the stroke compared to the full swing and a

968
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lot of the short game strokes. There's just no excuse.

969
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Although to ask the average teaching pro how many people

970
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in a year ask for a putting lesson, like one

971
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or two? Nobody takes putting.

972
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Speaker 2: Lessons, Nobody, I want more distance.

973
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if they did, and those you can, I

974
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actually can teach people to do as good a putting

975
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stroke as the tour pros and four or five hours. Wow,

976
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and what would be a habit after? No, they still

977
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have to practice when they go home, but I mean,

978
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you know, within a very short period of time they

979
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can learn because there's not much going on and you're

980
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basically all you're doing is rocking your shoulder girl like that,

981
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using your abs, your low back muscles, so there's not

982
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much to it. But you know, if you if you're

983
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halfway decent, if you can break one hundred, let's say,

984
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you know, you don't want to have more than thirty

985
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two putts around? Wow. Yeah again, if you want to

986
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be decent, thirty two is a good number to go for.

987
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I mean the tour pros, I think average is average

988
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closer to twenty eight to twenty nine something like that.

989
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And also when I'm in the thirty, when

990
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I'm in the thirty thirty one range, yeah, thirty two thirty,

991
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that's pretty good. That's when I'm shooting in the seventies.

992
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it also depends on how good

993
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your ball striking is, because if you if you're missing

994
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a lot of greens, and because of that, you had

995
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:38,960
to rely on your short game to score. Meaning you're

996
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,599
good at the short game, you're going to have fewer

997
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,320
putts than someone who hits a lot of greens. Yeah, right,

998
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So you have to kind of facor that into it too.

999
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Speaker 2: But absolutely absolutely, Oh good job, Jimmy, thank you, thank you.

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That was awesome. I appreciate that. And again, Episode thirty

1001
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six with Jim Waldron of the Golf Smarter podcast is

1002
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now complete. Thank you, Jim, always great to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks do it again.

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Speaker 2: M HM.