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Speaker 1: We're Tom Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest.

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Hell look, and welcome back to another edition of the

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Pso I am the team. You're Daelo, Tom Fitzgerald, and

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I'm here with the Low and your Delo Lorenzo because

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my love, the husband. We are three days away from

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our Paris trip. We are Paris in parts in Paris,

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will send lots of pictures. We'll send well, we'll.

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Speaker 2: Post post lots of pictures. But we're excited because it's

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just going to be to relax and do nothing and

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eat and drink and yeah, do.

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Speaker 1: A little shopping, a little wine drinking, a little cheese.

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He's eating. That's about it. We're going to Notre Dame.

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We're going to Mucid' but not to the Louver right.

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Speaker 2: I do want to thank people who emailed us and

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told us about getting tickets ahead of time. So we

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did get the Dorsey ticket and the Notre Dame. We

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have to wait a little bit, as the email said,

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but thank you so much. You guys are so sweet

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for all the suggestions.

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Speaker 1: So yes, we're looking forward to that. It is Halloween Day.

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We have no plans for the evening and that's it

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for the news. I think, uh, Prince Andrew was no

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longer a prince. Lorenzo was like, do you want to

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talk about this? And I was like, not really, I

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just think it's.

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Speaker 2: A big deal for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just Lorenzo wants to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I just think it's great that you know

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that that woman went through hell, wrote the book now

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all that, And of course she didn't get to see this,

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but I was watching. I was listening to any pr

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this morning and her brother was Zobby, Yeah, her brother

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was it was hard to watch and talking about how

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you know, how important is this and he's story that

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she's no longer here to see what you know. But anyway,

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I think it's it's a major accomplishment. I think it is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think her family should be proud of what

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she's managed. But I don't know that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's it. I just think it's it's it's a little

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victory in a world falling apart, right right, so it

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you know, it's something to celebrate.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I did say on Blue Sky

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and I realized that a lot of this is happening

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because of Virginia Jeffrey's book and just the increased interest

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on the quote unquote Epstein files. Right, So this is

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an ongoing international story, and I think we can look

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at it that way and say, Okay, this is why Charles,

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you know, King Charles finally did this. But one of

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the things I said was that I really think this

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is an indication that Charles is near the end because

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reading various accounts over the years, it's well documented that

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Prince William loads Prince Andrew and hates the fact that

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he has tainted the family name so much and has

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been putting a lot of pressure on his father to

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find to do something about it. So I just feel

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like this was one of those instances where William said,

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either you take care of this now, or I'm going

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to take care of it in a much uglier way later.

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Because I do think if Charles hadn't done this, the

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second William was ascended to the throne, he was going

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to do everything he could to strip Andrew of everything

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that he possibly could. So, I mean, I'm not taking

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anything away from like Virginia Jaffray's advocacy and what she's

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and her bravery to get to this moment, but I suspect.

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Part of what fuels it is that I just don't

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think Charles is healthy. I don't think he's well, and

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I don't think he is expecting to live as long

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as his parents did. And that's really all I have

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to say about that. You're right, it was a good choice,

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it was the right thing. It took too long, they

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should probably there's a lot of calls about this isn't

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enough or whatever, but I do think that this is

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leaving Andrew wide open to some more investigations and he's

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not going to be protected by the crown anymore so.

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Speaker 2: And it's kind of a big deal because the whole

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family gets stripped right of all the titles, the daughters

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and everybody. No, no, no, they don't. Oh, okay, so

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just him, just him, okay, never mind.

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Speaker 1: They get to be princesses Eugenie and Beatrice, and they

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probably will wind up with a more elevated role in

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the family because of this, because they're losing people. And

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actually the princess are somewhat well liked, and I, you know,

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I don't know. That's all I have to say about that.

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I'm glad it happened, and yeah, it's good. All right,

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So we are going to talk about three movies today.

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They all dropped on streaming services, either Netflix or Prime

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Video this month. I think some of them dropped in

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the last week. So they're all available.

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Speaker 2: To view, people are talking about it.

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Speaker 1: And they're all movies people are talking about. They have

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a significant amount of buzz surrounding them. So we thought

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we would sit down and watch all three. And I

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found all three of them problematic in different ways. But

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two of them I found problematic in ways that actually

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challenged me, and one of them I found problematic in

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ways that actually insulted me. Yes, so we're going to

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talk about all three. The three movies are a House

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of Dynamite on Netflix, Heada on Prime Videos starring Tessa Thompson.

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House of Dynamite is Staring Everybody to starring Tessa Thompson,

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and Ballot of a small Player starring Colin Farrell, fall

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A Chen Until the Swinton, which is also also on Netflix. Yeah.

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to do Ballot of a Small Player last because there's

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a major twist halfway through the movie and we want

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to be able to talk about it, So we'll do

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that one last, and if you don't haven't seen the

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movie and don't want to know what the twist is,

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you can tap out about halfway through our discussion. The

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other two movies we're not going to like spoil spoil well,

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first off, the head of it, it's based on Gobbler,

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the Ibsen play, but even so it's not the kind

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of story that has that we can spoil, right, So

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we'll have a discussion about that movie and you don't

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have to worry about being spoiled. The first movie, we're

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going to talk about His House of Dynamite, and it's

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not so much that we're going to spoil things, but

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we are going to talk about the structure of it.

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And the director, Katherine Bigelow, chose to end the film.

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Speaker 2: Right, So the whole movie, the whole structure.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing. It's it's not that there are twists

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and turns and we're going to reveal something that you

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wouldn't have known. In fact, most of the reviews of

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the film do talk about what we're going to talk about,

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so you're all fully warned. And I will warn you

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in these discussions if we're guide you to the next one,

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if now, if we're about to talk about things that

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you might want to not know. I'll let you know,

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all right. So, A House of Dynamite is from director

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Katherine Bigelow, who you know did Zero Dark thirty and

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you know, Blue Steel and The hurt Locker and Near Dark.

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She's had a career in the last several years that

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centered around very sort of masculine coded, military themed films.

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So The House of Dynamite is in some ways very

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much up her Ally. It is a film about when

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a nuclear missile is launched at the United States, and

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it's about the various people and departments and how they

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all deal with this while that missile is in the air.

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It's got an incredible cast, almost all of whom are

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unbelievably wasted in this film because of the fact that

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b the structure of the film prevents any of those

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actors from basically having more than twenty minutes of screen

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Speaker 2: I know, I thought the movie was going to be

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about Rebecca and it wasn't. Character It wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's so played up in the in the beginning,

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in the marketing of the film, and all the in

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the trailer and in the you know, the art for

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the film, and then I get it because she I

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don't know if I would say she's the biggest star

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in it, but she's probably you know, she's in the

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Mission Impossible movies, and I guess they were trying to

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make that connection.

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Speaker 2: Were as you know, there.

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Speaker 1: I know, but I think she's kind of a bigger

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star than it, well because of the Mission Impossible Movies

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or nothing else. So you know what you go first,

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and I think you didn't, and I actually will talk

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about the ways on which it's flawed, but I I

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did like it. Go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about it, I mean a little

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because we posted on our site the preview and stuff.

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as I said, I was expecting a story about certain people.

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and working for the government, blah blah blah, and then

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so it's a whole environment, you know, everybody working for

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the government to take care of this issue, but I

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felt like it just took a long time, with a

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lot of dialogue, a lot of you know, right setting

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up everything, every department, every you know, branch of the

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government and so on. So I don't know, I was

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and this is where I'm going to explain how the

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really change my perception of the film. But if you

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to our next discussion. The film is told in three

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separate is it three? Yeah, three separate vignettes, starting with

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before the missile is detected, all the way up to

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the moment the missile hits right, and then it moves

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detected and it's at a missile you know, there's a

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missile defense base and the situation room in the White House,

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and that's where Rebecca Ferguson is right, And that's the

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first part of the story. And then the second part

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of the story is it's mostly just military guys. It's

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to handle this situation. And then the final sequence is

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with the President of the United States who has to

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why just his reactions in the way he behaves. I

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don't know. He wasn't too.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan of Indtersell, but now I

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Speaker 2: I'm the same, And I felt like he didn't I

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don't think he did a really good job as a president,

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but maybe it was just that he didn't have the

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material to work well.

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Speaker 1: He does a lot of this in a lot of

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his portrayals, and I'm like, I don't get why he

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does this, where he just his whole portrayal is like

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someone who's just exhausted and like wounded, like he walks

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around like and he did make some comment about how

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he has a limp or something like that. I can't

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remember it was said and passing. And I guess my

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thing with his portrayal was there was just nothing presidential

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about the guy. He just didn't come across like a

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president to me. He was he was too. Yeah, he

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just didn't have it. And I'm not crazy about his

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performing style. He always acts like he's over whatever he's doing,

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like I'm just over this. Can I just get through

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this scene and then get back to my trailer? That's

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what it always feels like with him.

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Speaker 2: So true, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It's like, can I just get through this scene and

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then can I go sit down? Exactly exactly what his

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this role because I'm like, you're the president in a crisis.

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Speaker 2: I think, especially in this case in this movie, because

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Speaker 1: Mean, there's a lot that you could unpack about the

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timing of this film. You know, it starts with the

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assumption that all of the people in these roles are

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essentially competent, decent people, all the way up the chain

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to the to the President, and that's kind of a

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hard sell into twenty twenty five to the idea that

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everybody in these in the White House situation room, in

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the Pentagon Missile Defense Command, they're all very calm, but

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in people who are just trying to do their best. Yeah,

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and that does I mean, that's kind of a naive

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view of our government at the moment.

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Speaker 2: I agree because I started watching the movie and you know,

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point I work for the government and I was in

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a situation that I was surrounded by people like that

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taking action. And it's funny because I remember thinking, Wow,

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these are just regular people, like they it's a job

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at the end of the day, it's a job with

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a lot of responsibility, but it's a job with ordinary people.

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Not ordinary but you know, I mean, just regular people

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taking part of it. So that's the first thing I

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thought when I started watching the movie when she go

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through all security and you know, and she's an employee,

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she's a worker, and these people are making major decisions

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every day for you and for the whole world. So

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that was interesting, I thought. So I thought it was

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going to be more like that about her. I don't

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know her family and so on.

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Speaker 1: Now, and I mean, that is something that I actually

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thought was interesting. It does work against the film that

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you spend you know, only about twenty minutes with each situation.

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hours long, but you only spend a short amount of

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time with these people. You're giving almost no information about them.

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You might see them with a kid or before this

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all starts, or on a phone call with a girlfriend

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or whatever, but you're really not given a lot of

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information about these people's lives, and you don't get to

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know them very well. And ultimately, that I think is

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a very deliberate choice on the part of Catherine Bigielow

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and Noah Oppenheim, the screenwriter, because this isn't a story

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about people. It's a story about systems and it's about

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it's not about the people in those systems trying to

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do their best work, which would be the traditional way

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of doing this story. It's about people in those systems

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watching those systems fail one after another, and to that.

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About halfway through the film, I was like, Wow, she

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is ringing an awful lot of tension out of people

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staring at computer screens and that is literally all anybody does.

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Speaker 2: How much longer can I stand this? Just watching that?

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Speaker 1: And I mean that may be that it does get

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to a point where it's like, Wow, Okay, this is

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really all that this movie is. It's just people on

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telephones or on I don't know why I keep saying telephone.

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That sounds so old fashioned. Telephone on the phone, or

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or on like zoom meetings or whatever. And it does

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get it does get sort of monotonous, and when you

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get to the third sequence, because it's sort of a

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Rassamon style thing where you're seeing certain conversations from different

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angles when you go through the various sequences, and actually

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that part does pay off at certain moments where you're like, oh, Okay,

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that's what that person was doing, That's why they couldn't

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get a hold of that person or whatever. But ultimately

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it means that you are repeating conversations right in a

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film that's already struggling to keep the interest up because

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it's all phone calls and zoom meetings, You're then repeating

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conversations that we've already seen from a different angle, and

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that is asking a lot of the audience. I do

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think I think a lot of people had problems with

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this film, and I understand that. I don't think it's

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a perfect film. I think the flaws are very evident,

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the structure of it is very evident. But I appreciated

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what she tried to do with this, and I also

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appreciated the fact that most of these actors were given

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almost nothing to work with, and a lot of them

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really gave a lot. Like I thought Rebecca Ferguson was

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really great. I thought Gretel Lee, who is in it

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for about three fucking minutes, perfect and she just gave

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you a fully realized human being. You could just see

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who that woman was, Yes, yes, and you yeah. Some

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of them really did an amazing job with that. I

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thought Tracy Letts, who played that one general, all he

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could do was be kind of annoyed, and which Tracy

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lets is very very good at playing annoyed, but he

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really gave you something to look at someone to wonder

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what they were going to do next, what they were thinking.

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Speaker 2: Back to Greta, I just loved her. As you said,

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it was very short, but it gave you that Ho

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gave you that woman with a kid, the wife and

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the mother with a kid.

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's a wife. She was an expert

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on Korea.

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Speaker 2: But my point is that also a brilliant woman with

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a great career and a lot of knowledge, and very intelligent.

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So I thought that she did a very good job

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in what five minutes. I thought Gabriel Bassell was also

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very good.

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Speaker 1: He's the young guy, right, he was probably given the

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most to do.

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Speaker 2: Was he's good. He was also on Netflix doing something else.

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I mean, he's And I.

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Speaker 1: Could not understand Moses Ingram, the woman who worked for FEMA.

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They did zero with her zero Later I was like,

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what was the point of that? That literally went no.

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I mean, none of their stories go anywhere. But she

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literally had no point to anything in the story. I

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except to illustrate that that certain high ranking people are

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going to be safe when the bombs dropped. She was

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one of them, and other people are not. As I noted,

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the film does not, and it doesn't end you don't.

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There's no bomb drop it all. Each sequence ends before

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the actual bomb drop. Some of them end right just

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before the bomb drops, and none of them are set

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in the city where the bomb So none of the

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actual characters that you're watching are indirect except for one.

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There is one character that's in the city again, Caitlin Deaver.

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You got to see she literally had three lines. Yeah,

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I think we saw more of her in photographs on

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her father's desk than we actually saw of her. Actually,

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am I wrong?

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Speaker 2: No, Yetta, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Final two final critiques. Like I said, I did find

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this thought provoking and I did not mind watching it.

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It does get tedious near the end, but I would

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recommend it. But two final critiques. The first is that actually,

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I'll just settle on this one. I did a little

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research on the setup for this thing, because the setup

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is like, okay, is that real? Is that really? How

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that would work out? Part of the problem and everyone's

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debating in this movie is that nobody knows where the

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missile came from, right, And I was like, really, is

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that a thing? And so they did know who to

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retaliate against, and the question for the president was do

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you just retaliate against all our enemies or do you

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pick whichever one you think is the one that sent

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this missile? And it turns out that's not really a thing.

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Like that's first off, the Pentagon came out today this

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week and denounce the film. But of course, anything that

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comes out of the Pentagon right now any leestionable as hell.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: But uh. I did read some other experts and they

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were like, it's there's really not a believable scenario where

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people would not know where the missile was fired from.

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That's not believable. And the entire movie hangs on that question.

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So I found that kind of annoying because there's this

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whole conundrum about what are we supposed to do? How

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are we supposed to do this next? And the film

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has this sheene of legitimacy over it. It feels like, oh, wow,

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this must be what it's really like in the situation room.

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And I don't know is it. I have no booking clue,

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but it has that like veneer of everybody did their research,

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this is what it's really like. And then you present

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this scenario that is most of the experts are like, now,

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that probably wouldn't happen that way. So it's a thought

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prevaking film. It's a scary film because it's very clear

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that all of our systems are manned by human people

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who are prone to mistakes and confusion.

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Speaker 2: I think, if nothing else, and.

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Speaker 1: Also that the systems themselves don't work right.

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Speaker 2: I think, if nothing else, that you walk away knowing

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that voting for the right people is the right thing

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to do, because you know these people are in charge

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of your life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that's it. So I don't think I

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have anything else to say about the movie, do you No?

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Speaker 2: That's it?

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Speaker 1: All right, We'll take a break here and we'll be

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right back where are back? And now we're going to

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talk about Head up Uh, starring Tessa Thompson, directed by

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Nia DaCosta, based on the Henrik Ibsen play Head of Gobbler.

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I did not know what to expect of this because

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I did not know. I didn't know the play very well.

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I just knew that Head of Gobbler was one of

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those nineteenth century portrayals of difficult women who are probably

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suffering from a mental illness. And that's all I knew

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going into it, and I actually after I watched this,

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I went and looked up the play just to see

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how much of this was changed from the actual play,

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because the play is, you know, eighteen nineties in you know,

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I think Sweden, and this is set in the nineteen

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fifties in England, and you know, the lead character is

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a black woman, so obviously there were changes. There were changes.

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And not only that, but she's a lesbian because one

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of the male characters and had a goblet, was one

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of her lovers, was changed to a woman played by

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Nina Hawes. So it is oh, interesting, Yeah, you didn't

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know that. I don't know that that character was a man.

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And the wow, And to be honest, I will get

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into that later. That is one of my criticisms of

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the film is that some of this stuff does not

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translate from the eighteen nineties to the nineteen fifties, or

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from white people to black people or straight people to

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gay people. Wow, it doesn't map exactly right. So there

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are times during the film where it just it feels

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a little off.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it makes sense now in my head entirely.

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Speaker 1: Now it makes sense. Yeah, that that was I mean,

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the lesbianism.

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Speaker 2: Was not only not on that the male character, but

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the time and the place right.

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Speaker 1: Because doesn't it make more sense about why she would

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be considered her husband's rival professionally, Like yeah, okay, let's

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let's backtrack here.

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Speaker 2: So, uh.

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Speaker 1: Nia DaCosta is a black woman director, and I think

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that's worth pointing out here because well, first off, in

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the past, she has said that she wants to tell

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stories of black women who were difficult or interesting or

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not easy to love or whatever that sort of thing,

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and she definitely got her chance to do that with this.

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And I kind of struggled sometimes, as I said, because

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I didn't feel like her blackness was referenced in a

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way that made sense, nor did I think her lesbianism was.

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Let me just say this. So it's set during a

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party in nineteen fifty eight. She is heada and she's

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married to a professor, and they have none of this

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is particularly clear, and this is why it's like, well,

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if this was set in the eighteen nineties, this would

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all make a little bit more sense, but it's the

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nineteen fifties and it doesn't quite make sense. They don't

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have a lot of money, but they apparently borrowed a

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ton of money to buy essentially Downton Abbey. It is

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this massive country house. But we are told a couple

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of times that neither one that they don't really have

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money in their letterage.

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Speaker 2: Ah, that makes much more sense than in eighteen nineties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm sitting there going, how can they what

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kind of loan did they take out? Not only that,

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but the house. The house is stunning.

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Speaker 2: It is everything about it, Duhn amazing.

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Speaker 1: And it is not just stunningly stunning architecturally, it is

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the furnishings. It is luxuriously every furnished in every single room,

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And I'm like, this is not the house of a

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nineteen fifties couple who had to take out a loan.

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This doesn't really make any sense to me. If it's

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eighteen nineties Sweden, that actually does make us some sense.

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So it's things like that where it's like, I mean,

476
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,960
the house is everything dinner, I think I might have understood.

477
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:48,079
I think the story might have worked a little bit

478
00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:52,559
better if they had just a mansion instead of not.

479
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,559
I mean, it was a fucking castle. They were living

480
00:26:54,599 --> 00:26:57,759
in a castle, and it didn't make any sense why

481
00:26:57,799 --> 00:26:59,559
they would if they couldn't afford.

482
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: It, and it all the secrets and everything make more

483
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,079
sense in eighteen ninety ninety one.

484
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. Yeah, it's all. So they have

485
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:12,079
this party, this massive nineteen fifty eight party, and their

486
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,519
servants and everything like that, and it's it's fairly formal,

487
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:19,079
although they're not wearing ball gowns or anything like that.

488
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,200
And then the party, in the manner of like you know,

489
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,319
the idle wealthy, the party turns. It goes on all night,

490
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,359
people get really really drunk, people wind up skinny dipping

491
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,359
in the lake and all that sort of thing. There's

492
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,200
people you know, fucking in the in the hedge maze

493
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,920
and all that sort of thing. So what fucking It's

494
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,920
not the first time I've said it on this podcast.

495
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:52,799
So so there's this this central relationship between tests between

496
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:59,680
Head and this author writer professor Eileen, who was at

497
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:06,039
one time a professional rival of Heda's husband, and now

498
00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:09,640
they're both sort of gunning for the same professorship. And again,

499
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,440
none of this, none of us reads like the problems

500
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,119
of people who would live in that kind of house,

501
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:20,880
Like it just doesn't. And not only that, I think

502
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,160
Nina has is amazing, as I lean in this movie.

503
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,240
I mean charismatic, beyond charismatic. She actually looks stunning, but

504
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,759
not in a traditionally gorgeous way. She looks stunning because

505
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:34,799
she's so imposing to look at.

506
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,359
Speaker 2: But in general, I know, and.

507
00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: But you know, I kept sitting there going in nineteen

508
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:48,319
fifty eight, would a man really be in danger of

509
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,119
not getting a job because a lesbian was up for

510
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,559
the same job, because that's not how that works, Like

511
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,759
he's so worried that this lesbian is going to take

512
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:01,880
his job. This, I mean, she's pretty much an out

513
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,680
lesbian in the nineteen fifties.

514
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: Everything about it.

515
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: When and I'm just like, no, he's in notice, like

516
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,079
she's not going to get the job because she's a lesbian.

517
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:10,519
And it's the nineteen fifties, right.

518
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,359
Speaker 2: The same thing with the book when she talks about

519
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:15,880
her book and how scandalous you know, everything is in

520
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,079
the book, and then that's going to change history in

521
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:20,960
the world. Well, yeah, in eighteen ninety one, that makes sense,

522
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:24,279
not in the fifties. Yeah, now that you pointed that out,

523
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:26,960
I can't. Yeah, the whole thing just changed in my head.

524
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Having started out I silely did like the film. It's

525
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,839
frustrating at times, because again, if you don't know the

526
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,359
story going into it. Honestly, the first forty minutes I

527
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,759
even said to you, I'm like, I really don't know

528
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,119
what the hell's going on, right, there's just a lot

529
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,640
of very rapid talk and people moving quickly through scenes,

530
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,599
and I'm just like, and it really took an hour

531
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,559
and a half of watching the film, Like I was

532
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:53,400
almost near the end of the film before I could

533
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,039
figure out what everybody's relationship was to everybody else. I mean,

534
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:04,759
I actually had to go look up the the guy

535
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,039
who did the attack near the end of the film.

536
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:09,079
That's all I'll say. In the last few minutes of

537
00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:11,440
the film, I had to go look up that character

538
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,319
because I was like, what, who is this guy? What

539
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:16,400
does he have in relationship? Well, it turns out he's

540
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,920
the guy that lent them all the money he and

541
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,480
he knows all their secrets. But that is not entirely

542
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:24,319
clear in the beginning of the film because they throw

543
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,079
so much information at you.

544
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,079
Speaker 2: Well minempression, go ahead, Yeah, because I knew, again, very

545
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,200
little about it. My impression was that, Okay, well, this

546
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,240
is a story about a rich family and this woman,

547
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,960
complicated woman, fabulous woman, and we're going to find out things,

548
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:45,920
and then we find out that her Max Lover is coming,

549
00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:47,440
you know. So I was like, all right, it's going

550
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,480
to be about that. I but as you say, so,

551
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:53,799
I just went along with that and looking at beautiful things,

552
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:57,839
to houses, gorgeous, the table, the dishes, the fashion.

553
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: They had, big band singer. It was just amazing. I

554
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,799
almost I'm like, I would buy the soundtrack to this film.

555
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:06,359
Speaker 2: The music.

556
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: The music is really I mean, it is a treat

557
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:09,920
to look at.

558
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,799
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I went with in the beginning. Yeah,

559
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,599
but then I was a little shocked with Tessa Tumpton's

560
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,400
choice of voice. I hated her voice, and I think

561
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,079
she was way over the top with everything performance.

562
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: I agree with you on this. I think that shocked

563
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,000
me a little. It was I don't think. I'm pretty

564
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:34,960
convinced it was deliberate because Heda is supposed to be

565
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:39,720
a big phony who is too much and everybody thinks so, right.

566
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: But but but there's a difference between a character being

567
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,480
too much and a performance being too much. And I

568
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:46,559
think she did.

569
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,359
Speaker 1: Think I think there are times where I think she

570
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,359
takes it too far. There are times where I think

571
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,279
the the because she's playing an English character, and she

572
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:02,039
has played English character in the past, and I do

573
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:04,920
think her accent work is good for the most part.

574
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,400
Oh that's something I wanted to say about House Full

575
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,359
of Dynamite. Our House of Dynamite. Half the cast are

576
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,160
either Swedish or English, and they're all playing Americans. And

577
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,559
about halfway through the film, I turned to you and said,

578
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:20,279
I'm really getting a headache from all of these people straining.

579
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:23,359
I mean, Jared Harris plays the Secretary of Defense, and

580
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:25,920
that is literally the most English looking man you could

581
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,680
ever find. And it's just I was like, all right,

582
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,279
I guess I'll believe that he's an American, but it's

583
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:34,279
it was kind of hard to get through. Anyway. Back

584
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,359
to this Tessa Thompson, her her accent work is normally good.

585
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,759
I found it a little precious. This time. It was

586
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:43,599
like veering into a parody. And I mean, in the

587
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,759
beginning of the film, I have wondered because it seemed

588
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:48,920
like she was a phony with a lot of secrets,

589
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,200
and I have wondered, is the secret that she's American?

590
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,920
Like I really thought that might be one of her secrets.

591
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,640
But no, that wasn't one of those just the choice

592
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,039
now in the original play, in any place, in any

593
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:04,279
play or story that tells a woman's story in the

594
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:08,200
nineteenth century, there's you know, it almost always deals with

595
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,279
her lack of options in society, and a woman in

596
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:16,519
the nineteenth century had no options, and subsequently a character

597
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,880
like hett A Gobbler would make sense. But her actions

598
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,720
make sense in a situation where she has no power,

599
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:27,000
so she fucks with people and she ruins lives, and

600
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:31,680
she's manipulative, And that makes sense when you put it

601
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,240
in the nineteen fifties. You're sitting there. I'm sitting there

602
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:36,359
wondering why the hell is she acting like this? Like

603
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,839
why is she being this way? And I do think

604
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:47,359
that was sort of the hook for why Nadcosta made

605
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,039
her a black lesbian, because if she was a white

606
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,559
woman in nineteen fifty eight and her lover was a man,

607
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,319
then this story actually probably wouldn't make sense. Then the

608
00:33:57,359 --> 00:33:59,079
story would be just to woor's your husband and go

609
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:00,319
live with that Man's the.

610
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: Problem in comparison to Carol the movie, right, like you

611
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,319
can see a white woman lesbian.

612
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,079
Speaker 1: Well even they were shamed, I know, but it's.

613
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,199
Speaker 2: A different She had she acted a little more, you know,

614
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,679
she took more actions. But and here it's sort of like,

615
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,440
as you said, especially in the beginning when the husband

616
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,159
starts talking about, you know, behave and all that. Yeah,

617
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:26,000
this is not the time. It felt more eighteenth century,

618
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,760
nineteenth centtru I'm sorry, eighteen ninety one nineteenth century. It

619
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,480
felt more like the way you talk to not that

620
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,440
in the fifty quiet map.

621
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: And I think making her black and making her a

622
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:40,480
lesbian was an attempt to set it in a more

623
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:45,079
modern era while while imposing greater restrictions on her because

624
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:48,559
of the era that she lived in. It almost works. However,

625
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,960
I honestly, for the first half of the film, I

626
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:56,960
was she's not the only black character in this film

627
00:34:57,079 --> 00:34:59,679
or in this party. It's a very upper class party,

628
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,119
and is like, you know, it's racially mixed, and I

629
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,000
was like, is this like a Bridgerton thing where it's

630
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:08,920
just like color blind and we're not really going to

631
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,679
acknowledge the realities of the day.

632
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: I thought that I was, That's how I read it

633
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,000
in the beginning.

634
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:17,559
Speaker 1: But then they bring up her being black, being a bastard,

635
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:21,119
her being a lesbian, and I'm like, oh, so it's

636
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:25,000
just this unusually racially integrated, Like I mean, her husband

637
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:31,880
is like this upper class white professor. A first question

638
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,840
you got to ask is what a guy like that

639
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,239
mary a black woman in nineteen fifty eight in England, Like,

640
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,559
I don't even know if that scans.

641
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:41,119
Speaker 2: But they do talk about her upbringing or her family

642
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:42,559
that they're rich, right, But.

643
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:44,199
Speaker 1: Then they said she was a bastard at the end

644
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:46,039
of the film, and I was like, I don't understand

645
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:49,599
the makeup here, and I'm spending a little bit too

646
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:52,960
much time trying to figure all of the social and

647
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,119
sexual and romantic there's just a little bit. Yeah, But

648
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,280
like I said, she liked Tessa Thompson's performance you cannot

649
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,239
take your eyes off a fantasty and Nina Haas, I

650
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,199
mean she just gets in there with her and the

651
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,400
two of them. Yes, just I mean Nina I actually

652
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,440
think gives a better performance because she falls apart. She

653
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,440
just is destroyed during the course of the movie.

654
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 2: Her monologue and the whole thing, like you cannot take

655
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,480
your if you don't know Nina Haas. And Nana Has

656
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:30,079
is a very famous German actor. She started doing German movies.

657
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:33,199
Of course there's a fantastic movie called A Woman in Berlin.

658
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,239
I highly recommend.

659
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,159
Speaker 1: She was on Homeland.

660
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then she started doing more American stuff and

661
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:40,119
you know, more stuff in English. She did Tar.

662
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: She did tar, right.

663
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:46,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's another fantastic movie called Barbara in German. She

664
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,000
is an amazing actor and as you say it, she

665
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:51,400
has no problem looking a certain way. She doesn't care

666
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,760
about her appearance when.

667
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: She actually thought. When she first walked in, I was like, wow,

668
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,960
she looks stunning because she's such an imposing fake. And

669
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,119
I remember thinking what an odd dress to put her in,

670
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:07,079
because that's a strangely unflattering dress. But it actually made

671
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,480
sense as the movie went on, because as she became

672
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:13,440
more degraded, the dress became uglier and uglier on her,

673
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:18,199
and it was just it was interesting. So the other

674
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,239
thing that I thought was interesting was costume wise. The

675
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,280
minute she put it on, I was like, no one,

676
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:26,840
no woman would have worn that dress. In nineteen fifty eight,

677
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,239
Tessa Thompson's dress same, Yeah, it was gorgeous, but the

678
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,039
plunging neckline barely covering her nipples, and I'm like, I

679
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:36,440
don't think so. I mean, the the general shape of

680
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:41,239
it is correct, but uh, that became a motif for

681
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:45,960
both of their breasts. Actually, there's sets of breasts became

682
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,159
a motif. Eileen Nina Haass's character. I won't get into how,

683
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,000
but well, I mean at one point her dress gets

684
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,159
wet so you can see her her nipples and it

685
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:59,320
becomes a moment of embarrassment for her. And with and

686
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,800
the way he dresses, I mean, I kept going, my god,

687
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,840
she's got a spectacular rat on her. She really really does.

688
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:06,639
Speaker 2: Uh.

689
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: And then Tessa Thompson, she has this very plunging neckline

690
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,840
and she wears a key on a chain that locks

691
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:19,280
the gun, and people kept reaching into her dress to

692
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,639
pull that out, like literally coming very close to fondling

693
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,639
her breasts, just to make up a story point. So

694
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,719
I think both of those costumes are kind of interesting

695
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,000
because and they were lovers. So you have these two

696
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:34,880
and they're sweaty or wet halfway through most of the films.

697
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,679
So yeah, in their scenes and I'm as gay as

698
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:41,039
a pink Christmas tree full of parrots. I'm staring at

699
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:45,760
their boobs the entire time. And again that's not a

700
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,599
male gaze thing because it's a female director. It's a

701
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:53,400
female director very smartly using their breasts right for story

702
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,000
points and character points and for the visual and you know,

703
00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:58,639
I don't think a male director would have been able

704
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:00,000
to do that because they would have been more like

705
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,119
look at their boobs.

706
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: I think if you focus on parts and you know, scenes,

707
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,519
I think it works. I mean, in as it's fantastic.

708
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:10,519
Would be the whole thing about being a woman and

709
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:13,719
and and you know fighting for for a job, a position,

710
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,800
and and and and power when you know you're fighting

711
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,000
against another a man. So that also, that is incredible.

712
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,000
She does a fantastic job Tessa also as a woman,

713
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:26,440
you know, married to a man, and an unhappy woman,

714
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,639
and the whole thing about you know, not not being

715
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:31,559
able to do what she wants to do.

716
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:34,559
Speaker 1: Although it's never clear what is it you want to do? Right,

717
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,199
And I do think that was a problem in the story.

718
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: I think she's just a miserable, uh woman and not

719
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:42,880
happy with her marriage and probably wanted to just run

720
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,880
away within the haus. But again the real story that

721
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:49,360
was a man and now she's another woman. It's interesting

722
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:53,599
and and yeah, the whole thing also when in a

723
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:56,719
house has a girlfriend, right, she brings a girlfriend a

724
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:02,079
lover or some forget me. Yeah. Yeah, and she's actually

725
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:05,840
very good bright in the movie and so also interesting character.

726
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:08,760
But again, that's it.

727
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,639
Speaker 1: I think we'll leave it there.

728
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: Yes, you said you recommend it, and me too, I.

729
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:19,599
Speaker 1: Would totally recommend it. Yeah, that's it. We'll leave it there.

730
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:23,840
If I were giving it a grade, I would put

731
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,519
this at like eighty somewhere around there. It is a

732
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:32,039
recommended film. I think the story is interesting. I think

733
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:35,599
the two lead actresses are amazing, and it looks it looks,

734
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,840
it looks and it sounds incredible. Yes, So for the

735
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:41,119
I mean, I read one review that called it Dalton

736
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:45,360
Abbey by way of Baz Luhrman, who directed a mulung Ruge,

737
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,440
And I think that's about right.

738
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:47,199
Speaker 2: That makes sense.

739
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: All right, let's leave it there and we'll be right

740
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:56,039
back with a Ballot of a small Player. Where back,

741
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:57,679
and now we're going to talk about Ballad of a

742
00:40:57,679 --> 00:40:59,679
small Player, which I freaking.

743
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: Hate it and I freaking loved it.

744
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: It was directed by Edward Berger, who directed last year's Conclave,

745
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:13,480
the Pope Voting Movie, And there was something I noticed.

746
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,440
I really enjoyed Conclave. I thought it was fun and

747
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,480
well acted. It had that sort of airport paperback quality

748
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:25,639
to it that I liked. But there was a single

749
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:27,599
moment in that film where I was like, that is

750
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:31,079
the cheesiest goddamn thing. And I mean, it's the moment

751
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:36,480
where you know, essentially he you know, that whole movie

752
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:40,559
was about politics and secrets and it was about very

753
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:43,519
earthly concerns. And then there's this moment where they're all

754
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,320
voting for the pope and he kind of implies that

755
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,599
God is looking down upon them, and I just found

756
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:52,760
it so cheesy. And I'm bringing that up because wow,

757
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:58,840
this whole film is made out of that. So Colin

758
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:05,440
Farrell as a high rolling gambler who calls himself Lord Doyle,

759
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:10,440
and he is in Macau, where he is well known

760
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,480
in the casinos there, and he is down on his luck.

761
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,239
He's being hounded to pay a hotel bill that's like

762
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,760
three hundred thousand dollars and he can't get buy ins

763
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,000
to these games.

764
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,639
Speaker 2: And there's more to the story. He was a lawyer

765
00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:28,960
and he had to run away because he took somebody.

766
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:30,199
Well that comes out much much.

767
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're spoiling.

768
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,159
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's fine.

769
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: We said we were going to spoil things here. Lord

770
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,400
Doyle is in his real name. We find all this

771
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,519
out very early because Till the Swinton plays an insurance

772
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,880
investigator who was sent from England to go track him

773
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,599
down because he had stolen nine hundred and fifty thou

774
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,920
pounds from a woman that was one of his clients

775
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,519
or something like that, and so that's where he is.

776
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:01,159
He's a loser, he's a gambler, he's an addict, and

777
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,000
people are hounding him because he owes millions of dollars

778
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:13,239
to people. So I'll say this Colin Farrell, charm, charm, charm,

779
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:17,000
charm out the wazoo. That guy is so easy to watch.

780
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: Yes, so.

781
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't think this character is likable at all, But

782
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:26,199
you know, likable is an overrated concept anyway, and it's

783
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:32,559
an over disgusted concept in most narratives. But in this sense,

784
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:34,960
I mean I like watching him. It's not it's not

785
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,159
that I admire this guy or want to be friends

786
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:39,239
with this guy. I just like watching this guy. And

787
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,639
in that sense, he's very much an old school movie star.

788
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:46,440
He understands that he understands that people are paying to

789
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:49,840
watch me, and I have to give them something.

790
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:54,199
Speaker 2: Because you could hate this character easily, right. But because

791
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,519
it's Colin Farah, you pay attention to him. You know

792
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,440
his struggles and and and you know everything.

793
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: And along the way he meets Fala Chen, who plays

794
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,519
like a broker for these games or whatever, and she

795
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:14,239
arranges things like buy ins and loans and that sort

796
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,119
of thing. She is also someone who's a bit of

797
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:20,880
a loser and on a dark path. But and here's

798
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:26,360
one of my major criticisms of the film is she

799
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:31,119
is presented as someone who understands Colin Farrell's character because

800
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:36,360
they're both have these dark and depressing pass and secrets

801
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,920
that they're running from. But she is so clearly not

802
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,800
important to the narrative like she is like.

803
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: I felt.

804
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:48,119
Speaker 1: One of the criticians I have of this film is

805
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:51,320
that I felt that it had some rather annoying orientalism

806
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,440
in it, which I at first I thought the film

807
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:57,639
was sort of buying into a critique of orientalism, and

808
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:02,480
then I was like, oh, no, you're actually indulging in it.

809
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:05,320
She's not a full character. None of the Asian characters

810
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,480
are as full a character as he is. And I

811
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:10,440
get it, you are the lead character. I understand that,

812
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:14,960
But he's a white man surrounded by Asians, and she

813
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,519
is his counterpart, and in fact, she is, you know, spoiler,

814
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,440
a romantic counterpart to him, and her story is given

815
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:27,159
very short shrip. She's treated as this mysterious, you know,

816
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,119
mysterious Asian woman. You know, she's got secrets and she's

817
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:33,159
maybe even a little mystical. And at one point she's

818
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:36,000
like when I was growing up in my village, and

819
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:38,039
I was like, oh, okay, that's the kind of character

820
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:41,400
going there. This is what we're doing in twenty twenty five. Like,

821
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,039
I really thought the story was going to have more

822
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:44,960
of a hook to it. And it's like, no, let

823
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,360
me teach you about Buddhism and let me teach you

824
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,000
about the ghosts from my village. And I'm like, all right.

825
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:52,119
I mean, I'm not Asian. I don't have a leg

826
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:54,880
to stand on complaining about this. But I did feel

827
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,599
like every bit of that was a cliche.

828
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,599
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, we'll talk about it.

829
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,599
Speaker 1: I'll just finish a few and then I'll I think

830
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:08,679
the film looks stunning, Yes McCall is, she's and I

831
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:11,400
think it's probably difficult to shoot macau and make it

832
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:17,920
look bad. Although there I really enjoyed. Uh, I really

833
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,599
enjoyed how it looked when it got away from the

834
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,480
casinos and the and the neon lights and everything. Her

835
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,679
apartment block. The way that was shot, I was just

836
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:29,320
and it's not a pretty building, but the way it

837
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,119
was shot, it's just so beautiful.

838
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: But I think that's the whole point of showing the

839
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:33,519
two worlds.

840
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like there's a point where he wakes

841
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,960
up at a bee on a beach early in the morning,

842
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,480
and the cinematography is just so beautiful. Costume design is

843
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:50,519
also great, lighting everything, the sets are stunning. All of

844
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:56,159
that's great. His performance, I don't know if it'll get

845
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:59,320
any awards consideration because I think this film is pretty

846
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,039
flawed and I don't think I don't think the film

847
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:06,039
is going to get much attention. But he's definitely gunning

848
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:08,079
for an award. It's an award level performance. Let me

849
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:13,119
put it that way. He plays this guy and this

850
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,559
and I'll get into it later, but this, this sets up.

851
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:18,800
My major disappointment with the film is that he plays

852
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,679
this guy as just someone in the throws and in

853
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,559
the end stages of addiction, his addiction being gambling, and

854
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:31,079
you will just watch how much he cannot control himself,

855
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,400
he cannot stay away from it, he cannot get off

856
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,639
of this self destructive path where he winds up exploiting

857
00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:40,840
everyone around him. I'll leave it there.

858
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:44,199
Speaker 2: No, I think. I think that's that's the key here.

859
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,000
It's it's because it's about him. It's about his what

860
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,199
what's going on in his head? And I think that's

861
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:52,920
why the other characters are not that important, because it's

862
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,760
all about his fantasies and he's you know, because it's

863
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,320
very clear. And I went online and I checked to

864
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,320
see what the director was saying about the movie, and

865
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,800
you know that that's because I was like, what's going

866
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,559
on here? Is this really happening?

867
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:07,119
Speaker 1: Or can I explain?

868
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

869
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:10,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay, So we're getting into the twist now.

870
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,159
So about halfway through the film, I don't even know

871
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,679
what point this was in the film.

872
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 2: Right from the people has a heart attack.

873
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: He has a heart attack on the stress of all

874
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:27,760
of this causes a heart attack. And the next and

875
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,519
it's such a strange scene like he's in a he's

876
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:33,639
in a hotel, he's about to he's in a restaurant,

877
00:48:33,639 --> 00:48:36,199
he's about to get arrested, and he's running up this

878
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,280
massive bill, just ordering all this stuff, and I'm not

879
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,760
even sure what the plan was there, what he was

880
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:42,320
going to do.

881
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:46,519
Speaker 2: I think he was trying to kill himself. That's probably, yeah, I.

882
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:51,039
Speaker 1: Guess he was. And then and then fall A Chin

883
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,920
shows up in this restaurant. Now they had a previous

884
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:59,239
in several interactions in fact, and then she disappeared, and

885
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,880
that she told him about how dark her past was

886
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,159
and that she understood his own darkness and blah blah blah,

887
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:06,679
and she explained like Buddhism and ghosts and all this

888
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,400
other stuff to him, and then she disappears from the story.

889
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,519
And then she shows up in this scene where he's

890
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:14,840
about to fucking die and he has a heart attack

891
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,960
right in front of her, and the whole scene is

892
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:22,119
so oddly staged that I was like, oh, oh, he died.

893
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,239
So everything that happens after this, because it just seemed

894
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,840
so off killed. So he has this heart attack and

895
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,599
then he wakes up on a houseboat. Yeah, and she's

896
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:34,880
there with all her makeup off, and she's in very

897
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,199
like humble clothing all of a sudden, and she saved him.

898
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,440
But none of that is made clear, No.

899
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 2: I agree, and I think from that point on it's

900
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,239
kind of the fantasy part. But just to bring something up,

901
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,639
you said while we were watching the movie that she

902
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,679
shows up gorgeous. Yeah, like dressed.

903
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: That's why I was like, this is a hallucination.

904
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, she looks incredible, kind of like not what we

905
00:49:56,639 --> 00:50:00,679
saw before. And then and then after that, they're in

906
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:01,199
the village.

907
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:04,639
Speaker 1: They're in her houseboat and she's not wearing any makeup

908
00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:07,440
and she's in very humble clothing and she's nursing him

909
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,400
back to health and they're kissing and they whatever. But

910
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,480
the whole time, I'm like, Okay, so this this isn't

911
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:18,880
really happening, Like this is all him in the last

912
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,119
moments of his life and he's dying on the floor

913
00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:24,800
of that of that restaurant. Uh, but that's not where

914
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:25,559
the film goes.

915
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:26,599
Speaker 2: Uh.

916
00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: And then the and then you know, he through all

917
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,119
these mass and he finds a shit ton of money

918
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:39,199
that essentially belongs to her, and he steals it, and

919
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,719
she implies that she was putting him through some sort

920
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,679
of test where it's not too late for you. I

921
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:45,400
can you know, I can save you, but I'll both

922
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,639
So you're thinking okay, whatever, this is some sort of test.

923
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,559
And then he takes the money and he's going to

924
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:57,119
he's going to use it to gamble to win all

925
00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:59,719
the money he needs to pay off his debts. Right,

926
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,480
and then he goes on this massive, massive winning streak

927
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:07,159
where he just keeps winning and winning and winning. Right,

928
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:12,239
And there's a story that another character tells him about

929
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,639
what hell is like for gamblers, and it's essentially you

930
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,320
you just never stop winning. That's hell for gamblers. So

931
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,199
again it's implying, oh, he's dead, none of this is

932
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,519
really happening. But then he actually does pay off his debts,

933
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:27,519
pays off till the Swinton. But that could be all

934
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:31,400
in his head. But the film doesn't make that clear. Yes,

935
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,679
I would go further than that. It's one thing to

936
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,719
not make it clear that to give it a sense

937
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,280
of ambiguity, and it had ambiguity up till I'll tell

938
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,679
you exactly what happened. I'm sitting there going, okay, none

939
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,280
of this is real. None of this is happening. And

940
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,119
he's playing back a route with that guy Alex Jennings

941
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:53,199
to win the big money that he's going to pay

942
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:59,320
everybody off. And they cut to a security feed and

943
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,519
they show people in the casino watching this game and

944
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:04,280
talking and I'm like, all right, so this isn't his

945
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,400
fantasy because now we've this. That's the thing about filmmaking.

946
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,400
If you're in someone's delusion, you cannot cut away to

947
00:52:12,519 --> 00:52:15,800
someone else, because then that's no longer a delusion. You're

948
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,000
telling the audience that that's actually happening, right, And then

949
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:21,960
he goes, yeah, the way the film ends it does

950
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,519
not imply anything. It does not imply that what we're

951
00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:29,280
seeing isn't true. It actually works very hard to make

952
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,079
it seem like what we are seeing is true. And

953
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:35,480
I did read at Burger he said a couple of times.

954
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,440
He's like, it's you know, he actually leaned on the

955
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,440
idea that no, I think it's a redemption story. He

956
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:48,280
redeemed himself. And to me, forget the annoyance of literally

957
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,760
half of the movie, I'm sitting there and going, I

958
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,920
cannot tell it this is real or not. And the

959
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,920
film is not being you know, it's it's not being

960
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,960
ambiguous enough for me to enjoy it. It keeps contradict

961
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,880
itself and it's annoying me. But what really annoyed me

962
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,719
about it was that it was a story. Relentlessly told

963
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,880
you that this guy was an addict, relentlessly told you this,

964
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:18,360
and then he overcomes his addiction and becomes a better person.

965
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:25,079
How by gambling. That's like someone conquering Heroin by having

966
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:27,880
a huge binge just before. I mean, it doesn't work

967
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,000
that way. And if you're going to talk, spend the

968
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:33,920
whole movie saying, you know, gambling is his addiction and

969
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,840
it has destroyed his life, and it's destroyed all his relationships,

970
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,519
and it's a bad thing. You cannot make it then

971
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,280
the ticket to his salvation without contradicting your entire film.

972
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,519
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. But I feel like he

973
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,480
was feeling guilty, you know, because he fucked up all

974
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:52,760
these people and he wanted to pay them back. And

975
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,880
I think he thought that that was the only way

976
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,159
to do it, to gamble and make money so that

977
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:00,360
he could pay people.

978
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: I think, which was a more honest film. He would

979
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,840
have lost all that money and died, right And I

980
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,679
honestly thought that's where the film was going.

981
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 2: But I think again it's in his head. The defanity

982
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,280
of always winning that you have. That's a gambler. You

983
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:18,800
know your fantasies, it's always win and which doesn't happen.

984
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,360
That's why these people, you know, lose everything. But I

985
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,880
think that's in his head. That's why he was playing

986
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,880
against that guy, because he knew that guy could be

987
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:29,679
you know, could have been thought too.

988
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,039
Speaker 1: But again they cut away to security watching it, and

989
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,960
he paid off till the Swinton's character.

990
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 2: Right because he also felt bad for her. And I

991
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:39,320
think I.

992
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: Think all of that happened in his head that I

993
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,599
don't think so see, and he went and found Oh

994
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,800
I missed the other big twist. We didn't mention this.

995
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,800
He he wins all this money and he goes to

996
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,639
the casino where fala Chen used to work because he

997
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:55,519
wants to pay her back for the money he stole

998
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:57,599
from her. And he finds out that she's been dead

999
00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:00,920
this whole time, Right, she's been dead since the first

1000
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,599
night he met her. She killed herself. So this was

1001
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:06,519
a ghost or something.

1002
00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: Or some sort of of I don't know, ghost or protector.

1003
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. It's it's a story about addiction.

1004
00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:14,880
It's a story about a man with a demon and

1005
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,599
a monkey on his back and then suddenly becomes this

1006
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:20,039
mystical ghost story where you cannot tell what's real and

1007
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:22,960
what's not, and you got to decide which film you're

1008
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,360
going to be. And then it ends on this sort

1009
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,880
of uplifting note where he has become a better person

1010
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:31,119
by burning all the money.

1011
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1012
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,639
Speaker 1: That made no sense, Well it did, because she said

1013
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:36,960
the Buddhist monks burn money. That's right.

1014
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 2: Earlier she said, I get why he did it, but

1015
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,960
that's that's stupid. I think here's how I feel about

1016
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,840
movies and TV shows in town. If they don't have

1017
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,280
to make sense to me sometimes if I agree with that,

1018
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,000
if they take me on a journey and I and

1019
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,719
this movie did that to me. I was with him.

1020
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,639
I was just following his struggles and he's gilled and

1021
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:04,760
and everything around him falling apart in a beautiful, gorgeous

1022
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:10,519
city which is Macau. The restaurants, everything, my god, absolutely gorgeous.

1023
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:12,440
So I went with that, a lot of color, a

1024
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,440
lot of I don't know, beautiful lighting and all that,

1025
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:19,079
and following him, and it goes back to Colin Farrow's performance.

1026
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:22,760
I think he did such a good job because he

1027
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:28,039
is mad in the entire movie. So that and follow

1028
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:29,400
Chan I thought she was fantastic.

1029
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: I thought she was good, but again, I just was

1030
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,360
so disappointed in how much of an Asian cliche she was.

1031
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:40,639
Speaker 2: But I halfway through I gave up trying to understand.

1032
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:42,199
I was like, all right, I'm just gonna go with

1033
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,280
this because I said.

1034
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:47,679
Speaker 1: I don't mind films that are ambiguous, but this wasn't.

1035
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:51,639
It kept contradicting itself, and that's the part. And I

1036
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:54,519
do think that if you are going to tell a

1037
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:58,440
story with a mystical bent to it, you can't just

1038
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,519
decide right more than halfway through it. Okay, now's where

1039
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:04,920
we introduce the ghost, because up to that point you've

1040
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,760
been telling a fairly story set in the real world.

1041
00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:11,639
If you want to do some mystical journey for this character,

1042
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,960
I think you need to establish a more surreal sort

1043
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,960
of setting for him, and I just don't think the

1044
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,239
film does that. So I think he's great. I don't

1045
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:24,880
think the filmmaking is very good.

1046
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: I think the director was trying to keep you always

1047
00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:32,119
guessing is this real or not real the entire time,

1048
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:35,400
So the director would give you something that looked like

1049
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:37,880
real and then would switch to a fantasy, and then

1050
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:44,639
it doesn't job differentiating that's mighty. The whole village thing

1051
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:47,440
with her in her house or whatever. I absolutely loved

1052
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,440
all of that. I don't know, I just loved scenes

1053
00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:55,320
and moments. Yeah, because they were great together. I thought.

1054
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,119
I thought she was phenomenal Tela Fin.

1055
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: Doing Oh my god, what a waste of her. I

1056
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:04,079
just put her in a goofy wig and some funky glasses.

1057
00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: And yeah, she worked with the director before, right, I

1058
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,719
think so. I think he just wanted her in the

1059
00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:10,239
movie and give her something.

1060
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you had any actress in there, there was

1061
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:19,119
no need for her. So I actively disliked this movie,

1062
00:58:19,159 --> 00:58:21,039
and I would not recommend it because I found it

1063
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:24,159
uneven and it didn't know what it wanted to say

1064
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,679
or what it wanted to be. House of Dynamite. I

1065
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:32,760
actually do recommend, although I will warn you that it's

1066
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,440
going to get tedious and had a I highly recommend

1067
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:39,360
even with its flaws. It's very watchable and I can't

1068
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,280
stop thinking about it. Those are my thoughts.

1069
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: I agree. I think you made a very good point

1070
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,559
in the beginning that they're all problematic, they're all flawed.

1071
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:48,320
I think, yeah, but I think you should try and

1072
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,400
watch them. I absolutely loved a ballad of a small player.

1073
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,480
I did. I just went with it. It's so pretty,

1074
00:58:56,519 --> 00:59:00,000
it's so beautiful, and I don't know, vibrant. I felt

1075
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:04,920
that I loved it. Uh had up, Yes, especially because

1076
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:09,400
of Nina haunts. I absolutely love her. She is a

1077
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:14,039
goddess to me. And what's the other one, the dynamite

1078
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:16,920
one house, No, I'd pass it.

1079
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:21,119
Speaker 1: So you are getting a full range of table opinions today.

1080
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:25,119
So that's it for this week. We'll be back next No,

1081
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,360
we won't. We'll be in Paris, in Paris, but we'll

1082
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,519
be back early in the week after that to tell

1083
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:34,280
you all about Paris. Until then, take care of yourself.

1084
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:35,000
Love you mean it.

1085
00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:35,519
Speaker 2: Bye bye by