WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.279 Hi, my name is Tom Welling. I played Clark Kent 2 00:00:02.399 --> 00:00:05.360 on Smallville. And this is Michael Rosenbaum Lex Luthor. I'm 3 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:09.640 John Glover. I was Lionel Luthor on Smallville. 4 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:11.359 Hey, guys, this is Laura Vandervoord. 5 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.439 I played Kara Kent slash Supergirl on Smallville. 6 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:14.679 Hey. 7 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:18.480 This is samwit Where I played Davis Bloom aka Doomsday 8 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:19.559 on Smallville. 9 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:24.760 Hey, this is Alisander Giuliani doctor Emil Hamilton on Smallville. 10 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:24.960 Hi. 11 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:28.559 I'm Jeff John's writer of Legion, Absolute Justice and the 12 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:30.399 Booster Gold episodes of Smallville. 13 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:33.159 And you're listening to all. 14 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:20.920 Welcome to Always Hold On to Smallville. In this podcast, 15 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:23.159 we talk about each and every episode of the Young 16 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:25.680 Superman show that ran from two thousand and one to 17 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:30.480 twenty eleven on the WB and a CW. I'm your host, 18 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:34.519 Zach Moore, and this is a continuation of our series 19 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:39.280 finale coverage. I'm Future Zach, continuing on from my hosting 20 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:41.920 duties you heard in the beginning of the last episode. 21 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:47.640 And this is a special episode finale intermission. I'm calling 22 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:50.959 an intermission because I'm releasing it in between Finale Part 23 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:55.079 one and Finale Part two. And it consists entirely of 24 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:59.079 voice messages from previous guest hosts about their thoughts on 25 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:03.599 Smallville and spec the small Liville series finale. This idea 26 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.359 came about for me wanting to include as many previous 27 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:09.759 guest hosts as I could into this series finale podcast, 28 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:13.879 and initially I thought, oh, it's perfect. I'll play all 29 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:15.599 these when we get to the part of the episode 30 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:19.479 where Clark is reliving his trials right through the Fortress 31 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:23.120 crystals and the reflections of the flashbacks and clips from 32 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:28.400 previous episodes, and I thought that's a inappropriate, clever medalian. 33 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:34.479 But the response was so good from y'all that it 34 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:39.080 necessitated being its own thing, because if I edded this 35 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:44.080 into the finale part two podcasts, that podcast would be 36 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:49.000 no joke five hours long. So I really do appreciate 37 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.599 all the previous guest hosts who have sin in their 38 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:55.400 thoughts on this series finale. It's great to hear all 39 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:59.039 the different perspectives. If you've listened to our finale Part 40 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:02.479 one podcast, you kind of know the general consensus of 41 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:04.639 where we're coming from in the series finale, but there 42 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:07.759 is a wide range of opinions and thoughts and experiences 43 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:10.479 here where. If you're not exactly connecting with our take 44 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:13.360 on the series finale so far, you're definitely gonna find 45 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.520 some takes here you can latch onto and agree with. So, 46 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:21.599 without further ado, let's seize our destiny and revisit many 47 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.199 of our previous guest hosts here on Always Well I'm 48 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:28.439 a Smallville as they share their thoughts on the series finale. 49 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:34.319 Hey guys, this is Nick Ryan Magdoza. I am back 50 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:38.599 for a fresh new episode of The Mailbag. Oh wait, 51 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:42.159 this isn't the mail Bag. We're talking about the last 52 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:43.319 episode A Smallphone. 53 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:44.240 Oh. 54 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:48.840 I actually haven't watched that yet either, so maybe we 55 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:50.759 should just cut to somebody who has. 56 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:57.400 Hey, all, it's cross. I happen to see the finale 57 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:01.520 when it aired after having out watched the show for 58 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:05.240 three or four years. Didn't know what was going on, 59 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:11.599 and I still enjoyed it. Totally understand the no flights, 60 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:17.040 no tights rule kind of being still enforced at the 61 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:19.639 very end with not a full view of the suit 62 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:25.199 and more CGI stuff, but a little disappointed in that 63 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:27.319 even though I knew it was coming. But overall I 64 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:31.079 loved it. I loved the John Williams score. I loved 65 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:33.319 that Jonathan Kent was the one that gave him the suit. 66 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.560 Kind of wish it was a little bit more inclusive 67 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:42.480 of the Justice League, and maybe they could have brought 68 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:48.720 back everyone, like you know, good old Pete or Lana. 69 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:52.480 But overall, I thought it was just fitting end to 70 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:56.839 the series. It was a good representation of the character 71 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:02.000 and I enjoyed it. I'm going to miss that show, 72 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:05.040 and I'm bye. 73 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:10.120 Hi Zach might lay them here. I'm just here to 74 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:13.319 give you a few thoughts on the finale of Smallville. 75 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:16.160 Congratulations and getting that part. And I'm not going to 76 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:18.000 do add too long or ramble on for too much 77 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:20.079 because I'm pretty sure the panel is going to be 78 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:22.120 talking about a lot of stuff they're going to be 79 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:26.519 touched upon. But in terms of my kind of thoughts 80 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.920 and feelings about it, I am pretty much vocal in 81 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.199 terms that I really do not like the finale, to 82 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:35.560 the point where I think it's one of the weakest 83 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:38.439 finales I think I've ever watched, which I feel is 84 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:42.519 a bit of a downer to end the series. Aren't 85 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.720 as well as perhaps on the podcast, but there is 86 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.600 so much in this that I could mutter on for 87 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:52.480 hoes and as I'm not going to actually, but yeah, 88 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:54.920 there's a few things about it that just annoys me. 89 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:57.879 The main part of it is just the what was 90 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.800 the point of a lot of it? Because the finale 91 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:05.000 does so much to make you wonder what was the 92 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:07.079 point of a lot of stuff leading up to it? 93 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:11.160 For example, why would you spend so much time building 94 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:15.560 up towards a wedding between Lois and Clark that doesn't happen. 95 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:19.360 You spend half the finale leading up to this wedding 96 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.720 and it just doesn't happen because of reasons, because of 97 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.399 reasons that we just don't know, and it is a 98 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:32.199 bit annoy Then there's the whole kind of thing about 99 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:34.399 the costume, which I'm not going to go on to 100 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:36.680 because I'm pretty sure everyone's going to talk about the costume. 101 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:39.279 Everyone's going to mention about the fact that you just 102 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.759 build up to it. It keeps being shown, and I 103 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:44.959 am looking forward to the talk of an episode where 104 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.800 Tom william talks about this, But yeah, that's hard gettle fish. 105 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:52.600 I don't go then towards the only the only kind 106 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:55.439 of part of the finale that I quite like. The 107 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:58.199 parts of that Michael Rosen are involved in. For the 108 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:01.800 most part, the best scene out the whole finale is 109 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:06.720 the Lex and Clark scene, and Lex pretty much goes 110 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:12.279 on to a slighter ramble about he thought that men 111 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:16.079 were right, men were defined by family, then friends, but 112 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.759 eventually enemies, which I think is like a really good 113 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:22.519 line that kind of adds a nice kind of encapsulation 114 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:26.240 of Lexi's developments to the point to that point and 115 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:29.639 kind of maps and contextualizes a lot of his art 116 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:33.600 throughout the show and kind of is a nice payoff 117 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:36.480 and that he's developed, that he's remembered, that he kind 118 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.160 of remembers everything that's built up to that moment, and 119 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:44.480 it just works really well until they decide to wipe 120 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:51.120 his memory, and by all, well, from what I can imagine, 121 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.160 then you just automatically go all the way back to 122 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:58.560 god knows how long. I mean, if it erases all 123 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:01.279 of the ten years that he's had to that point, 124 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:04.240 and then technically it just be the kind of immature 125 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:07.959 playboy that we saw in the pilot and technically not evil. 126 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.360 So yeah, so I don't see what the point of 127 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:15.480 the whole that was. And it's again, what was the 128 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.000 whole point. The whole point just doesn't make sense. And 129 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:21.519 he jumped forward seven years and basically a lot of 130 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:25.399 the reck Conners just seemed to be placed just to 131 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:27.800 go to that seven year stuff. And it just it 132 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:33.879 just doesn't feel like it pays off anything. And ten 133 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.120 years of following the show, and okay, there's conversations about 134 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:40.159 whether about Tom willing willing to put on the suits 135 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:42.440 and stuff, but you've just been building up to it, 136 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:44.000 and it just doesn't. 137 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:46.360 It just it just doesn't. 138 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:50.440 And I don't know, I just I just I mean 139 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.159 I remember rewatching the finale and just thinking like, yeah, 140 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.879 it's it's still as bad as I thought it would be, 141 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:01.240 which I think is a shame just for ten years 142 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:07.919 worth of entertainment and storylines and character development to be that. 143 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:08.440 And I. 144 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:13.799 Yeah, and I just I just along forlorn sigh and 145 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:18.159 I just what could have been? It just flows through 146 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:21.840 the head and I'm just left a bit but if 147 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:25.759 a damps quib really, But yeah, I'm hoping some of them. 148 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:27.600 I'm helping other people who have got a lot of 149 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:29.919 more positive things to say about the FINALI or to 150 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:34.840 or can find things to thatch upon. But yeah, we 151 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:38.320 don On ten years, ten seasons, nine years, ten years, 152 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:42.200 I can't remember, but always hold on to always some Smallville. 153 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:44.600 So goodbye people. 154 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:55.480 Hey everybody, this is Tyler from the Crypton Report and 155 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:59.360 thinking about the Small Bill finale. I remember when I 156 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:03.440 first saw I was in my apartment. My wife and 157 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:10.080 I had just got married, and it was weird because 158 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:12.000 I was watching it and I was reflecting on just 159 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:14.279 how much of my life that show at all the 160 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:16.759 events that had happened in my life up to that point. 161 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:19.279 But I had yet to get like, we didn't have 162 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:22.879 TV hooked up or anything or streaming what it wasn't 163 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.080 what it was, so I had to watch it on 164 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:27.360 the old CW app where I just watching it on 165 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:36.080 my computer, and I remember watching it and thinking, Okay, 166 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:40.120 it wasn't what I wanted. I had hoped that there 167 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:45.919 would have been a bigger battle and bigger you know 168 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.360 imagery conclusion. As far as Clark becoming Superman, I wanted 169 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.279 to see him in an actual suit. I love, you know, 170 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:57.360 the shirt Rip was cool at the end, you know, 171 00:10:57.440 --> 00:11:01.399 but him having the you know, Superman return symbol just 172 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.320 didn't didn't really do it for me. And I remember 173 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.480 the way it starts with Chloe kind of reading the story. 174 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:12.679 I know that's kind of an ode to Superman the movie, 175 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:17.519 but I didn't really like it that much because it 176 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:19.840 just didn't feel like it was a continue on from 177 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:22.639 where we had left our characters in the previous episode. 178 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:25.799 But you know, time has passed. I mean, I did 179 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:28.080 like the idea of like the light versus Dark. 180 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:29.360 I like the. 181 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:32.519 Jonathan Kidd always hold on the small villain, gives him 182 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:34.159 the costume and he flies up. 183 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:36.080 But I. 184 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:42.080 But over time, I've come to like it more. And 185 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:46.000 I just remember feeling like it was over ten years. 186 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.799 I didn't feel like we got the big, like last 187 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:54.720 hurrah that I had hoped for out of the finale, 188 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:57.399 But over time and distance, I've come to appreciate it. It 189 00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:00.519 was more in the vein of what Smallville should have been. 190 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.600 I you know, had hope for maybe something along the 191 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:08.759 lines of like a big battle conclusion with Superman taking 192 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:13.200 charge and we had our other heroes. But in the end, 193 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:20.639 it is the finale, and I like it, and I 194 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:23.519 hope everyone else enjoys it for what it is, not 195 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:27.279 for what we wanted to be, and watching it now, 196 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:30.840 it's fine, But I think it could have. It could 197 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:34.039 have ended a little different, giving Tom more his own 198 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:40.639 send off than kind of placing him in a Superman movie, 199 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:44.120 And it could have ended with him getting the costume, 200 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:46.440 we're putting it on for the first time and going out, 201 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:50.480 so that we're not left feeling, okay, we didn't see 202 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:54.039 him in the costume. The way he flew was kind 203 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:57.480 of quick, so it was kind of like, oh, okay, 204 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:00.519 why can't we actually see him fly in the costume 205 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.399 and give us that big closing Superman moment. 206 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:05.080 You know. 207 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:08.080 It's kind of like with Gotham. You know, the finale 208 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:10.200 of Gotham is kind of like a reverse pilot where 209 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:12.279 it's like a pilot for a new show and the 210 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:15.320 final shot is them looking up and there's Batman and 211 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.399 it cuts off, so kind of like something similar like 212 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:20.360 with this where he's running he does the shirt rip. Well, 213 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.399 that have been great if we hadn't had the earlier 214 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:25.519 scene of him supposedly in the costume pushing a planet, 215 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:29.519 which was pretty crazy out of orbit. I think it 216 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:31.919 could have been something a little bit different for the 217 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:37.600 symbolism of just you know, pushing the darkness away, But 218 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.120 it is what it is. And I'll always hold on 219 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:43.639 a small Ville and thank you Zach for this podcast. 220 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:50.440 Hello Zach, Hello, always hold on to small Ville. This 221 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.720 is Daniel Bree. We used to podcast together back in 222 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:57.080 our Star Trek days. I don't have any podcasts to 223 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:01.080 plug or anything like that. Find me on the internet 224 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:05.720 anywhere at one of Dan and we can chat small View, 225 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:09.879 Star Trek or anything. Okay, my thoughts on finale, Well, 226 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:12.120 first off, this is only my second time ever watching 227 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:14.960 the episode, and I. 228 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:17.360 Thought it is good. 229 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:18.080 It's good. 230 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:21.720 It's not perfect, certainly, and there are some good things 231 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:24.200 and some bad things. Let's start with the things. I 232 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:27.639 really like the Lois and Clark of it all. Of course, 233 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:30.799 big fan of that relationship, and of course we get 234 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:33.639 to see them get married, which is you know, it 235 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:35.759 feels a little bit young in the timeline, but it's fine. 236 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:39.039 It made me happy to see that. And of course 237 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:45.480 Lois gets to become her famous award winning journalist self 238 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:49.240 in the episode, which is fantastic. I love that. And 239 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:51.600 then of course their sweet moment that was one of 240 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:54.840 my favorite scenes with them doing their vows. I thought 241 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.600 that was great. Next up in the good category for me, 242 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:00.600 it is great to see if Lex of course, I know, 243 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:02.320 you know, we haven't seen him in a few years. 244 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.960 Although I don't let love everything that happens with Lex, 245 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:12.960 the Tessa stuff, the memory wipe, I don't love, and 246 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:15.600 even having him there, like I like the scene of 247 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:19.080 course with him Clark in the mansion, the burned out mansion. 248 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:23.720 That was fantastic, but it was a little sloppy, and 249 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:25.639 I mean I just felt a little rushed, and I understand, 250 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:28.919 you know, with everything going on with Michael, but it 251 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.000 was great to see him. And of course he gets 252 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:34.519 to be president at the end too, so setting up 253 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:36.000 for future stuff that we don't get to see but 254 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:38.960 we can imagine, which is sometimes just as fun. And 255 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.720 speaking of the Luthers, of course we see what happens 256 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:46.360 with Lionel, which is you know, I don't know. Again, 257 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:48.559 that's one of those misses for me. Like I get 258 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:50.080 that they have to get rid of him, it's the 259 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:53.399 end of this series. But having him sort of voice 260 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:56.039 dark Side and be the body of dark Side. 261 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:56.840 Is I get it. 262 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:59.840 As TeV we only have so much budget, but it's 263 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:01.840 not exactly how I would have wanted to see it. 264 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:03.480 But that's okay. It was it was fine. 265 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:07.240 Of course, we have the big controversy with the suit 266 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:09.480 and you know, Tom not wanting to be in it, 267 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:11.399 and then of course us not really getting to see 268 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:13.519 it that much, which is still disappointing even to this day. 269 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:18.600 But you know, again, that's okay. Again, this is after 270 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.399 ten years of watching the show, and it can't wrap 271 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:24.840 every single little thing up, so the things sometimes in 272 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:26.039 the glosses over, I'm. 273 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:26.480 Okay with it. 274 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:29.360 Of Course, we get to see Chloe at the book ends, 275 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:31.519 which was which was sweet as well. I kind of 276 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:35.399 forgot about that, And and Green Arrow's little parts are 277 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:38.679 are great as well. I really like the whole thing. 278 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:41.720 One thing about the story that I really enjoyed too 279 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:45.320 is basically that it's you know, it's a story about 280 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:51.320 hope and with the whole the apocalypse and Clark becoming 281 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:54.759 a hero unlocking all of the darkness from these people 282 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:56.679 and all that sort of stuff. I really like that, 283 00:16:56.919 --> 00:16:58.679 even if it's a little hokey. But I'm you know, 284 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:01.759 Supermaran is kind of sometimes and so that's. 285 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:02.159 Okay with me. 286 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:08.000 And seeing John Snyder back again is as Papa Kent 287 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:12.799 was heartwarming. It was great just to see him and 288 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:15.880 then of course this has scenes with Martha our heart heartbreaking, 289 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:21.319 but it was it was good to see all of 290 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.240 them back together again. And of course Clark finally accepting 291 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:29.480 his destiny and becoming Superman. Obviously, they hit that nail 292 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:31.519 pretty hard a couple of times in the episode, but 293 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:32.960 I thought it was I thought it was a good 294 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:35.279 a good message, so a good way to go out 295 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:38.559 for sure. And then of course everything culminates with a 296 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:42.640 new power, a new power, the last new power of course, 297 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:45.160 that we get the new power that we've seen I 298 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:47.440 don't know fifty times, the new power that has been 299 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:50.359 teased and shown and every other character can do it. 300 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:52.599 But of course we finally get to see the flying, 301 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:56.920 very exciting stuff, very exciting. You know, I love new powers. 302 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.920 So we wish this Clark in this lowest all the 303 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:04.480 best in the future, whether you you know, take what's 304 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:08.920 seen on screen elsewhere or not. We hope for the 305 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:11.519 best for them. And of course I just want to 306 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.559 say thank you Zach for giving me the opportunity to 307 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:17.599 come on the show several times. I had great blast 308 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:20.440 revisiting Smallville, and you know what, I might just do 309 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:24.440 another rewatch now. So that's pretty much all I have 310 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:28.640 for the finale, but remember Always hold. 311 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:29.319 On to Smallville. 312 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:35.079 Hey, this is Ian. I guess starred on Always hold 313 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:41.119 On to Smallville episodes Nocturn and Crisis. Smallville was a 314 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:44.839 show that I watched with my mom, and so it 315 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:53.079 was something special that we got to share together. And also, 316 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:58.559 aside from the Superpowers, I feel like my life, in 317 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:01.839 a lot of ways parallel lived Clark's life, so I 318 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:07.880 really related to his journey and as he was taking 319 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:14.319 his steps to becoming Superman, showing himself to the world, 320 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:19.079 showing his true colors, at the same time was moving 321 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:22.519 out of my house, you know, leaving the nest, and 322 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:28.640 also being more true to myself and sharing that with 323 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:34.559 the world. So just that these kind of both happened 324 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:38.319 around the same time with the finale, and that was 325 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:44.240 pretty special. And while I don't remember a lot about 326 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.160 the finale, I haven't watched it in quite a while, 327 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:54.440 I do remember being pretty happy with what they did 328 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:59.240 now the final season and the fact that we knew 329 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:01.720 it was the final season from the beginning. I feel 330 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:05.119 like it allowed them to push the boundaries of what 331 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:08.240 they had done before and also just to give a 332 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:13.160 really satisfying conclusion, And I have two things that really 333 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:16.880 stand out about the finale for myself. One of them 334 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:19.759 is I'll go with the negative verse because they want 335 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:23.079 to end on a positive. But the negative thing for 336 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:27.839 me was, I remember the episode was so much about 337 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:33.400 that Clark's journey and his memories, you know, all the 338 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:36.960 connections that he had made to find who he was. 339 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.359 You know, that's something that they really pushed for the episode. 340 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:48.160 And yet at the same time, Lex's memories are taken 341 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:52.440 from him, and yet he's supposed to be a villain. 342 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:55.240 You know, we'd gone through this journey with Lex as 343 00:20:55.240 --> 00:21:00.359 well of building him up, as you know, it wasn't 344 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:03.480 just a switch that happened that he became a villain, 345 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.759 you know. It was the same with Clark. It was 346 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:10.559 a process, and I feel we were kind of robbed 347 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:12.680 of that. I feel his character was robbed of that 348 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:17.839 in the end, that it just removes that idea for him. 349 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.720 And while I think the comic book that followed really 350 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:25.720 dealt with that in a nice way, I just felt 351 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:29.920 that for the finale of the show, you know, setting up, 352 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:34.200 I feel like they were trying to stick too close 353 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:41.000 to what the mythos is that Lex doesn't know who 354 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:45.960 Superman is. I feel like they could have done something 355 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:49.599 else because obviously they didn't go that way with Lois 356 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:55.480 and Clark, you know. So that was something that really 357 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:59.480 bothered me at the time. And also I really loved 358 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:03.400 the character of Tests, so what would happen? What happened 359 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:08.079 with her I was not very happy about. But then 360 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:12.880 on a good note, you know. Again, I can't remember 361 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:16.279 a lot of the episode, but the thing that just 362 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:21.160 really sticks with me is the wedding scene with Clark 363 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:26.240 and Lewis and she doesn't have her father there to 364 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:30.359 walk her down the aisle, and she gets to the 365 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.319 head of the aisle and she sees that Clark isn't there, 366 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:39.759 and then he takes her hand and they walk down 367 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:44.880 the aisle together, and I just thought that was such 368 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:51.599 a wonderful moment and just a wonderful portrayal of what 369 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:58.599 their relationship was. That it was two people on equal 370 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:06.920 footing working together, and that moment just made me cry. 371 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:12.119 So that was my favorite moment, and that's what I 372 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:17.240 take with me whenever I think about that finel. Thank 373 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:20.799 you to Zach for letting me be a small part 374 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:27.079 of his wonderful show. That he's dedicated such a great 375 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:32.559 amount of his life too. Obviously a wonderful passion project, 376 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:38.839 and I admire that dedication. Always hold on to Smallville. 377 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:42.359 Zach, Hi, Zach and crew. This is Billy from the 378 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:45.279 See You Next Summer podcast. Although when I recorded with 379 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:51.960 Zach back in twenty seventeen for the early days of Smallville, 380 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:55.920 I did two episodes, I did not have a podcast, 381 00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:59.799 and I was literally just a Smallville fan on Twitter 382 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.319 and Zach just reached out to me. So I am 383 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:08.160 always grateful for that opportunity, Zach. I No, I wasn't 384 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:12.160 exactly the greatest guest or anything like that, but I 385 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:13.519 appreciate that you had me on. 386 00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:14.000 Anyway. 387 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:20.880 So series finale of Smallville, we finally got here. I 388 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:24.359 have seen the series three times now, all the way through, 389 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:30.200 and I have to say, on a rewatch, yeah, this 390 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.839 finale still holds up. I mean, it's the wedding of 391 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:39.960 Lois and Clark. You have the amazing scene of Clark 392 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:44.079 and Lex and the return of Michael Rosenbaum, which is 393 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:47.359 never a bad thing, even though he is wearing a 394 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:51.119 bald cap and you see they put a lot of 395 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:53.759 makeup to give him the megamind Head, but it doesn't 396 00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:59.359 matter because Michael's chemistry with Tom is and always will 397 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:02.799 be the heart of this show. I think they rushed 398 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:06.240 dark Side just in general in season ten, so I'm 399 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:11.799 not a big fan of basically making him a big 400 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:17.720 smoky cloud, like it's the smoke Monster from Lost or 401 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:22.839 something like that. But I do like that it ends 402 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:29.160 with the iconic shirt rip and you guys chose the 403 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:32.279 perfect name for the podcast, because Always hold on to 404 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:39.279 Smallville basically sums up the entire show for us. I'm 405 00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:43.519 really happy that you guys got all the way through 406 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:49.039 and yeah, Always hold on to Smallville. 407 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:56.400 Hey, listeners, and Zach, this is your cousin, Corey Corey Moore. 408 00:25:58.440 --> 00:25:59.480 I don't always. 409 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:03.599 Calling the podcasts, but when I do is to give 410 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:10.680 my thoughts on the Smallville episode titled Finale. I wonder 411 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:15.640 what that's about. H Those those of you who have 412 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:20.599 listened or watched Talk Bill will get that reference. So 413 00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:22.400 first off, I apologize for all. 414 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:23.400 This animal noises. 415 00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:28.359 The when the animals see me, they know they're gonna 416 00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:31.200 get food. They think of me as the real life 417 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:40.440 Jonathan Kent. But when I first watched this finale episode 418 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:44.240 back in the day. It was recorded on a DVR, 419 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.880 and normally we'd watch with my wife, but that evening 420 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:54.559 I was too excited, couldn't wait for her, so I 421 00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:59.480 watched it while she was asleep and then watch it 422 00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:03.160 again next day with her. With that first watching was 423 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:07.880 pretty exciting, I remember having a lot of conflicting feelings. 424 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:14.559 There was the excitement of it being new episode, It's 425 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:18.039 gonna wrap up the end of small Bill, But then 426 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:23.319 there was a lot of feelings of sadness. I was like, oh, man, 427 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:27.039 this is the last episode of Smallville. What am I 428 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.799 gonna do now? Man? What am I going to watch? 429 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:37.039 But when I watched it, man, I mean overall, I 430 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:42.000 really really enjoyed it, and still do to this day. 431 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:46.240 But I'll get onto some dislikes about the episode. There 432 00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:50.240 wasn't a whole lot. I mean a few few, but 433 00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.799 I mean it one that stood out was it seemed 434 00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:58.920 too easy for slow arrow to kill Dark Sides minions, 435 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:03.000 you know, Granny and Gacade and whatever that other guy's 436 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:08.640 name was, I don't know. I don't remember if his 437 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.640 arrow was his arrows were some type of special magic 438 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:17.480 or what. But the minions died too quick, even though 439 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:23.359 it was a slow arrow and I also thought dark 440 00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:30.799 Side Lionel was kind of lame. He he his voice too, 441 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:34.359 He's like, all right, will annihilate you? That was that 442 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:41.599 was garbage. And you know, once Clark became Superman, you know, 443 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.240 he got on that fake suit and flew up and 444 00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:50.359 saved the airplane, which was kind of cool. But then 445 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:53.440 he pushed the apocalypse planet out of the way. That 446 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:56.680 was seemed a little unrealistic. Unrealistic. 447 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:01.720 He seemed a little gonna be a little too too 448 00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:04.960 much weight to push get out of get out of 449 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.079 our out of our solar system. 450 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:15.119 But and then another dislike was probably no real Superman 451 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.000 costume for our Clark or Tom Willing. 452 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:21.880 That was not cool. 453 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.839 But onto some of the things I liked. I did 454 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.599 like the Small Bill opening recap. 455 00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:29.599 I thought that was cool. 456 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:31.839 They did a good job of kind of going through 457 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:35.400 pilot all the way up till now, kind of showing 458 00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:39.039 a little bit of the some of the you know, 459 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.480 you know, some of the talking points in the just 460 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.400 kind of stuff that happened throughout the series. I liked that. 461 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:53.359 Another cool thing was when Martha came back to the 462 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:58.440 farm and she you know, talked to Clark about she 463 00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:01.759 gave him, gave him the not to sell the house, 464 00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:03.279 but to start a life there. 465 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:04.319 I like that. 466 00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:11.400 And another thing that was cool was Chloe talking to 467 00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:17.200 Lois convincing her that Mary and Clark was the right 468 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:19.720 thing for both of them, that you know, Clark needs 469 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:21.799 her and she needs him. 470 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:23.119 That was that. 471 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:30.119 Was that was pretty cool. I did like ghost Jonathan. 472 00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:35.240 He's is been in the comic books in the past, 473 00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:41.240 and when he pops up. I do like Ghosts Jonathan. 474 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:46.240 There has been some people who have talked about not 475 00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:47.759 liking it, but in this episode I. 476 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:48.680 Felt like it worked. 477 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:53.279 There was a part where Clark couldn't see Jonathan, and 478 00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:57.720 then after Martha talked to him about talk to Clark 479 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:02.640 about you know, looking deeper, and he eventually did get 480 00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:03.759 to where he could see. 481 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:05.400 He goes Jonathan and talk to him. I thought that 482 00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:07.480 was I did like that a lot. 483 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:14.240 And another thing that I really liked was, you know, 484 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:20.359 Tests ended up killing Earth two Lionel and then Darkseide 485 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:24.599 took his heart and gave it to the Frankenstein Lex, 486 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:29.319 and so that is pretty exciting to think about because 487 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:31.759 this evil heart is now in this Lex and it 488 00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:35.839 would explain how the future Lex is just despicable and 489 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:40.039 terrible and all that is pretty exciting to think about. 490 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:42.359 Was as a viewer you. 491 00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:45.920 Can kind of fill in those points and think about 492 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.640 the future Les how well the evil stuff he's gonna do. 493 00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:54.039 And the return of Michael Rosenbaum was a must. Even 494 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.160 though he was wearing a big, giant bald cap to 495 00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:59.920 cover up his head, it was great to have him by. 496 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:10.079 I did like also Clark's midair montage in the air 497 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:14.240 just frozen, going over all of his greatest hits, finally 498 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.240 realizing he can fly was pretty exciting, and then he 499 00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:24.279 just blasts through dark Side Slash Linyl And of course 500 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:30.200 one of the best parts of this episode is Ghost 501 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:37.240 Jonathan handing the costume to Clark and saying our favorite 502 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:39.400 word always. 503 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:40.480 Hold on to Smallville. 504 00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:46.599 That was one of my favorite parts, especially now after 505 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:52.279 Zach reviewing ten years of Smallville. That is pretty special. 506 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:58.359 That that is, uh, this is pretty special kind of 507 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.039 to wrap things up. I did like the end where 508 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:05.960 Clark did the shirt rip ran towards the camera in 509 00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:11.599 slow motion with the music in the background. Overall, the 510 00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.880 music in this episode was was pretty good. They had 511 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:21.279 you know, some some good music throughout this episode. My 512 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:26.559 original grade for this episode, I believe, was an A, 513 00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:32.319 and I feel like that's a little too generous. After 514 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.319 watching the episode multiple times over the years and then 515 00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:40.759 listening to, you know, just a lot of thoughts from 516 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:45.640 everybody and watching it the it probably is more like 517 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:52.119 a B plus episode. And so that's kind of where 518 00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:56.720 I stand now. I do I do get excited when 519 00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.279 it does come up on my rewatch. It's something that 520 00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:05.480 I and episode that I can watch. And it's not 521 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.440 as good as the Spell episode. Am I right? 522 00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:08.760 Zach? 523 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:14.000 Check it out season four Spell episode I was a 524 00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:20.239 guest host. But thanks for this, Zach, and always hold 525 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:22.599 on the small Bill later, guys. 526 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:29.559 Bye, Hi everyone. This is Lauren knakau Win. If my 527 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:31.960 voice sounds familiar, I used to be a pretty frequent 528 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:34.920 contributor to you Always hold on a Smallville. I took 529 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:36.800 a hard exit from DC a couple of years ago 530 00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:40.280 following the release of Zack Steiner's Testice League. But nothing 531 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:42.400 you Love is ever lost, and I think that's pretty 532 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:46.079 applicable to smallvill I rewatched the finale for the first 533 00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:49.480 time in nine or ten years this evening, and in 534 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:53.400 a post Araverse and Marvel Netflix World. A lot of 535 00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:56.639 it doesn't hold up in my opinion, but most of 536 00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.079 these things are things I think we're less gracefully done 537 00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.199 to begin with. It was never a perfect finale, from 538 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.119 having the huge responsibility of having to wrap a ten 539 00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:08.239 your show and close many plot points like erasing Lex's 540 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:10.920 memory and finally breaking the no flights, no tights rule, 541 00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:15.519 and of course shooting around Tom's unwillingness. 542 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:15.599 To wear the suit. 543 00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.239 But the heart of the show persists, and what does 544 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.639 hold up are the characters. They spent ten years developing, 545 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.039 characters who will always be loved. I think Smavels legacy 546 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:25.719 after all these years is the feat of being the 547 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:28.199 longest running superhero show and just how well they did 548 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.719 Lois and Clark in regardless of some of the less 549 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.599 rewarding writing, the final scene is perfect and we'll always 550 00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:33.920 have that. 551 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:36.880 This is Chris Klou and I just wanted to briefly 552 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.519 thank Zach Moore and the entire always hold on to 553 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.119 Smallville team for being so kind to me over the 554 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:44.480 years in bringing me on as a guest here and there. 555 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.480 It was always a lot of fun. I'm eternally grateful 556 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.480 to be a part of this whole impressive tapestry, and Zach, 557 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.559 well done, my friend. This is an incredible achievement, and 558 00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:00.519 I know it's probably bittersweet, but this is the domination 559 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.519 of a really impressive effort on your part, and I 560 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.800 really appreciate being a part of it. So thank you 561 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.599 very much. Now, As probably the only person in my 562 00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:14.239 own social circle that meets at the intersection of being 563 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.519 a student of narrative fiction, a TV enthusiast, a big 564 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:20.400 time comic book fan, and as the biggest Superman fan, 565 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:24.840 I know, the Smallville series finale made for an unusual 566 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.599 watching experience for me. For ten years, we've been watching 567 00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.800 a show that, at different times offered substantive nods and 568 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.679 homages to what we know Clark's ultimate destiny to be, 569 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:39.239 alongside some occasionally ham fisted attempts at winks and nods 570 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:43.000 that likely made even the most aweshuck Superman fan roll 571 00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:46.119 their eyes a little bit. We saw world class television 572 00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:50.880 performances easily overlooked in award shows performance categories, as well 573 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:55.840 as the occasional double take from spoken lines being mystifyingly bad. 574 00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:00.400 But the whole experience of watching the finale was akin 575 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.320 to an out of body experience for me. Truncating year's 576 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.440 worth of stories and trials into one two hour stretch 577 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:11.880 that forcibly crammed Jack Kirby's Fourth World mythology onto the 578 00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:15.679 top of a foundation laid by no Tights. No Flights 579 00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.480 made for an odd experience, especially as a Superman comics fan. 580 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.920 While the return of Michael Rosenbaum as Lex Luthor was 581 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.960 generally executed well, the way the finale resolves, which I'm 582 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:31.360 using with heavy air quotes, by the way, the knowledge 583 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:33.880 he has of Clark's identity was one of the most 584 00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.480 overly simplistic developments I've probably ever seen in a prequel 585 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:38.679 style superhero story. 586 00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:41.199 And yet, years. 587 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.800 Before the finale aired, maybe around the end of season five, 588 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.760 I remember envisioning the shirt rip as the final moment 589 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:48.880 of the series. It just seemed like such a clear 590 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.199 way to go out on a satisfying note. For a 591 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.800 brief stretch of time, we got to see what this 592 00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:58.599 show could have been by throwing all the pretense in mythology, 593 00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:02.360 minimizing pressure out the wind, by embracing the legend of 594 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:07.079 Superman fully despite the maneuvering of the visuals that never 595 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.119 actually gave us a real, fully framed look at the 596 00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:13.519 Man of Steel himself. Despite Qualm's I and others may 597 00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:16.679 have about its execution, the sentiment of embracing the Big 598 00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:22.440 Guy himself, albeit briefly, was appreciated Jimmy voiceover Perry and All. 599 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:25.880 I wish that the entire final season would have embraced 600 00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:28.679 the Superman legend as fully as the finale did. With 601 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:31.159 more time to line up and stick the landing, the 602 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.599 finale could have been a truly satisfying conclusion to a 603 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:38.119 substantive addition to the Superman mythology, as opposed to a 604 00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:42.440 footnote in the broader discussion of the series. Still, I'm 605 00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:44.440 extremely grateful to Smallville. 606 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.039 If ever, there. 607 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:48.679 Was an encapsulation of a belief in the importance of 608 00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:50.800 the journey as opposed to the destination. 609 00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:52.719 It's Smallville. 610 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:56.119 It introduced a whole new generation to Superman storytelling, despite 611 00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:59.320 choosing to be a half measure more often than I 612 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:03.039 have preferred. But it attracted terrific talent who have defined 613 00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.920 corners of Superman's share of the DC universe on both 614 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:09.079 sides of the camera, and the show connected me with 615 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:12.679 friends including Zach and Lance that have led to great 616 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:16.480 discussions about the episodes and the series implications for the 617 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.639 world's greatest hero. It was a weird feeling coming back 618 00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:23.239 the next fall realizing there was no more Smallville, but 619 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.960 the journey itself was a hell of a ride, and 620 00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:29.239 the show did an effective job keeping Superman alive during 621 00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.840 a time when his cultural relevance was being challenged, despite 622 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:34.679 the presence of a movie a few years into the 623 00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.639 show's life. But it's also because of the friends made 624 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.519 along the way that I feel such appreciation for the show, 625 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:44.159 something crystallized even more just prior to his impending return 626 00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.079 to movie theaters in just over a month's time. As 627 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:50.800 I record this, believing in something like Superman. Storytelling can 628 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:53.599 often be measured in the emotional highs and lows that 629 00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:54.480 come from. 630 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:55.199 Moment to moment. 631 00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:58.920 Smallville gave us many of those, and more, rivaling the 632 00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.920 best of Superman's story, retelling in some cases, despite the 633 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.400 annoyance people like me may have about its tepid embracing 634 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:09.480 of parts of his mythology. But again, the journey was singular, 635 00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:11.400 and I'm grateful that I got to grow up with 636 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:14.360 the show as a relative contemporary of Clark's. While it 637 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.079 was on, it offered a unique insight into one of 638 00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:20.880 my absolutely favorite characters in fiction and gave me great 639 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.920 friends along the way that, in my mind, makes for 640 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:26.000 a pretty good legacy. 641 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.960 Hey all, John Curcio here, I had the privilege of 642 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:32.400 joining Zach on a pair of episodes over the course 643 00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:34.519 of his journey, and it's been an honor and a 644 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:36.360 pleasure getting to know him and a little bit of 645 00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:39.400 all your personalities as well. It's been great being able 646 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:41.440 to feel as though I'm a part of a big 647 00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:44.280 conversation that I'm simply listening to as I make my 648 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.639 way to work or home for them a long evening. 649 00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:51.280 As for my feelings on the finale, to be quite honest, 650 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:54.960 I love it orts and all. This may sound backhanded 651 00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:58.400 or faint praise, but once I got to the tenth season, 652 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.320 my experience with small Ville sort of involved a kind 653 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:07.039 of baked in disappointment. Despite having a superpse even season nine, 654 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.920 even it was subject to some of the lesser quality 655 00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:15.320 of the series writing that usually includes dropping storylines, swerving 656 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:20.400 into unwanted directions forgetting important characters. That's prime suspect of 657 00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:24.599 that being Lucas Luther and sometimes a general misunderstanding of 658 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:28.000 their own product, but it just sort of became the 659 00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:31.559 norm for me. So going into the finale, I pretty 660 00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:34.400 much set a small tight list of things that I 661 00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.320 wanted to see, and I'd likely give it a break 662 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.760 for all the you know, not so great stuff looking 663 00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:42.039 at you mind wipe. 664 00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:43.679 And you know what. 665 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.599 From way back when in two thousand and one, I 666 00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:49.159 had always assumed that the last shot was probably going 667 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.320 to be him ripping the shirt open to reveal the 668 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.880 sh shield, and because of that, I was fifty to 669 00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:58.079 fifty on whether he'd wear the suit. So the whole 670 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:04.119 cutting around tom it was humorous to me, but admittedly 671 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.599 the last shot of Clark or Superman looking through the 672 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:11.679 window of the plane and smiling and nodding to Lois, 673 00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:13.800 I thought it was really sweet and that kind of 674 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:18.480 saved the whole bit for me. Darkseide felt like an afterthought, 675 00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:23.360 zombie Lionel was a choice, and the dispatching of the 676 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.239 minions felt like they totally forgot that they had to 677 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:28.800 do something with them and they just called everyone in 678 00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:33.320 last minute to wrap things up. And of course, being 679 00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:36.639 a massive Flex Luthor fan, rest In peace, Gene Heckman. 680 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.320 Michael's return was essentially the weight and measure of the 681 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.400 episode for me, whilst his last scene could have been 682 00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.559 handled a little bit better, maybe with Test getting back 683 00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:51.559 at Lex in a cleaner way, maybe only erasing a 684 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.760 few years of his life instead of the whole continuity 685 00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:59.079 of the series. Regardless, Michael and Cassidy felt as though 686 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.679 they had been doing these scenes together for years, like 687 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:04.360 such perfect chemistry and comfort with one another. 688 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:06.599 Would have really had loved to have seen more of that. 689 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:09.760 And I employed the work that they did with the 690 00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:13.000 bald cap. I know it's obvious and still photographs, but 691 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:14.760 with the way they cut around it, I think that 692 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.679 they actually did a pretty good job. And less we 693 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:22.360 forget the scene between Clark and Lex, which feels like 694 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.880 the most perfect bookend to all those conversations of fate 695 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:28.760 and destiny that they had back in the earlier seasons, 696 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.280 both men now acknowledging who they are and what's to come. 697 00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.519 Well for the moment anyway, I mean, at this point 698 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:38.800 the series was coming to an end, and much like 699 00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:42.480 the journey that we've all taken together on this podcast, 700 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.239 I mean I just couldn't hate it. The scene where 701 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:48.280 Clark is given his suit by Jorell and Jonathan I 702 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.679 thought was very touching and it also gave this podcast 703 00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:57.960 its namesake. Was the finale a mess? Yeah, but at 704 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.719 ten seasons, I wouldn't want to leave small without a 705 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:05.119 few things kind of sucking in the episode itself. The 706 00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:09.639 series is that's it had that charm. Episodes good, bad 707 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.360 or otherwise. You know, we never really want to leave, 708 00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.119 and the same thing here. Even though the podcast has 709 00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:20.679 reached its end, all of our hearts will remain in Smallville. 710 00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:24.280 So again, a big thank you to Zach and everybody 711 00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.800 involved with Always hold on to Smallville, and I look 712 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.280 forward to seeing whatever the next adventure may be. 713 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:38.239 See you all there, Hello, Always hold on to Smallville. 714 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:44.760 This is Matthew Rocca, frequent guests on the show. I 715 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.440 am trying not to get too emotional right now, knowing 716 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:49.079 that this is the grand finale. 717 00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:51.239 It has been just an. 718 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:59.400 Absolute joy to connect with fans who loved this show 719 00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:04.440 as much as I always have growing up. Just an incredible, 720 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:09.639 incredible opportunity that Zach has given us all. 721 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:11.000 To. 722 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:14.800 Really just had this wonderful walk down memory lane and 723 00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:18.719 wax nostalgic about all our favorite moments and characters, so 724 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:24.599 thank you, Zach, really appreciate it. Thoughts on a finale, Wow, 725 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.039 this is I'm going to try to truncate this because 726 00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:29.719 I have way too many and probably. 727 00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:31.400 Could go on for hours and hours. I mean, we 728 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:32.000 know I could. 729 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.599 I just want to say a few highlights and a 730 00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:37.880 few aspects of it that, all these years later really 731 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:40.840 stand out to me and make it a finale that 732 00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:44.840 I still love despite what you may think, Zach and 733 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:48.719 a few others may think. For me personally, I thought 734 00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:51.360 it was one of the best finales that I have 735 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:59.719 seen for a series in that it gave me almost 736 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:03.519 all of the emotional beats and character beats that I wanted. 737 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:12.480 And unlike some finales of TV shows, which go for 738 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:16.719 a very subversive approach, which can be amazing and I 739 00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:23.119 love that I'm looking at you, Sopranos, this finale instead 740 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:26.960 just gave us the goods. That's how I felt. It 741 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:31.360 gave us what we wanted. It was exciting, it was fun. 742 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:36.039 It was really just this amazing kind of love letter 743 00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:41.760 to the fans and the mythos and just reminding us 744 00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:44.639 all what the heart and soul of the show always 745 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:48.559 has been and was reconnecting us with those moments like 746 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.639 the Kents when we see you know, the ghost of Jonathan, 747 00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:55.639 how that's played that kind of pivotal role in the 748 00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:58.440 in this final season, and we see that moment in 749 00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:02.400 the barn where Clark is about to go off and 750 00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:07.320 uh and have this you know, this this epic this 751 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.320 epic fight, and we have that that really beautiful shot 752 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.159 where it's him and his father's ghosts and Martha in 753 00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:16.880 the barn together and it just kind of reminded me 754 00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:20.360 of you know, in season three when he comes back 755 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.400 having had bread kryptonite in his system and you know, 756 00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:27.159 and he's watching his parents from afar. Just that kind 757 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:32.400 of reminder of the Kents really are why Clark is Superman, 758 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.000 and they are the heart and soul of not only 759 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:36.119 in the show, but the character. 760 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:44.079 Love that moment so much. I love the just the lowest. 761 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.400 Moments, the whole aspect of that that shot as the 762 00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:51.559 camera is circulating around them when they're trying not when 763 00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:55.000 he's trying not to look at her. Before the wedding, 764 00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.440 I was on a wedding video shoot recently and was 765 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.639 actually telling the bride about that moment and She's like, oh, 766 00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:05.480 that's so cute. Just again, you know, the heart and 767 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:09.400 soul of the show. It's interesting because it's like we 768 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:12.239 had the heart and shoal of the original. 769 00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:16.920 Seasons was Lana, but you know, for. 770 00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.679 Better or worse, the way that that story are concluded 771 00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:24.880 where we're at now is like, this is now the 772 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:29.920 forging of the Lois and Clark that we know and love, 773 00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.880 and it's just wonderful. That's one of the things I 774 00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:36.280 love about Season ten in general is how much it 775 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:41.320 focused on that relationship. And then, of course, me being me, 776 00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.039 this would not be a review of the finale without 777 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:46.239 me mentioning. 778 00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:51.280 The Luthers. 779 00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:55.840 First of all, Lex Luthor returning, Michael Rosenbaum returning. I 780 00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.480 remember when the news of this came out, and I 781 00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:02.840 was so excited. We'd all been hoping this for so 782 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.199 long as fans, and I think a couple. 783 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:08.119 Of weeks before or a few weeks. 784 00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:09.800 Before the finale, I think there was like some sort 785 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:13.239 of statement that he was not coming back, and everyone 786 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:17.280 just felt this collective disappointment, and then it was like, no, whoops, 787 00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:21.119 actually he is, and everyone had this great sigh of 788 00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:26.880 relief in this jubilation and that moment with Lex and 789 00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:34.679 Clark talk about your iconic superhero supervillain moment. That was 790 00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:40.000 to me, that's up there with Joker and Batman interrogation 791 00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:42.480 room scene in Dark Knight, Like that is just top 792 00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:50.559 tier iconic comic book superhero super villain. It's it's a 793 00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:55.599 moment where it's all the more exciting and magical because 794 00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:59.320 we're so used to those characters being who they are 795 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.519 in that scene in terms of the comics and in terms 796 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.000 of all the other movies, but because we've been on 797 00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:08.679 this ten yere journey with them, it's like, wow, now 798 00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:11.320 we're here and we saw all of that build to 799 00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:17.920 this moment. I love Lex's line about every villain is 800 00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:22.400 only as great as his hero. It's it's it's a 801 00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:25.920 perfect way to sort of take that that common saying 802 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:28.840 about every hero is only good as his villain and 803 00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:30.880 turn that on its head. And and the fact that 804 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:34.599 Lex is embracing the fact that he is a villain 805 00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:38.599 now it really felt like a sort of mister Glass 806 00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.000 they called me mister Glass moment, you know, where he's 807 00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.239 he's realized his role in the story. He is the 808 00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:48.519 archetypal villain, but He's there to challenge Clark, and the 809 00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:53.360 two of them are meant to always be on this 810 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:58.239 epic battle, you know, destined to do this forever. So 811 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.079 I just adore that more moment, the way it shot, 812 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:04.719 the way it's lit. There's a line that Lex says 813 00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:06.559 that me and my family always so cooked to this 814 00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:10.519 day with you still say it the same way, astonishment 815 00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:14.000 mixed with a hint of dread, yet with a hopeful finish. 816 00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:18.079 It's just like, Wow, that moment just gets me every time, 817 00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:21.320 just like, Wow, Michael is back, and Michael and Tom 818 00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:25.000 are my only regret. 819 00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:26.440 With the whole Lex Luthor thing. 820 00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:28.840 And I'm sure, and we've talked about this before, is 821 00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:33.320 the memory wiping thing, and it really it really I 822 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:35.480 really didn't like it when it first happened the first 823 00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:37.559 time I watched the I mean when I first watched 824 00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.920 the episode, I really didn't like that moment when his 825 00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:45.400 minds get when his mind gets erased, when all these 826 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.280 memories of his time in Smallville at the moment, I 827 00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:53.079 felt very disappointed because I, as a fan, as a 828 00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:55.840 lot of fans, felt like, wow, well what does that mean? 829 00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:57.360 Right, Like, there's that a waste? 830 00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:01.159 Then his whole journey. Was that a waste that he 831 00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:06.840 doesn't remember it all? So, like, did why did we 832 00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.800 see it right? If it doesn't mean anything? Or how 833 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:12.400 is he still Lex Luthor then without those memories that 834 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:19.960 shaped him? But upon subsequent viewings, I did, you know, 835 00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:24.880 I did kind of notice in terms of the way 836 00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:28.639 that that was put together that there was that line 837 00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:31.280 of dialogue he says earlier about that's the thing about memories. 838 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:36.679 You can't forget them. And despite that moment where his 839 00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:39.920 memories are erased, we see the Luther Corpse sign turn 840 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:44.000 into Lex Corp obvious foreshadowing there, and then when we 841 00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:47.519 skip ahead seven years and he's President Lex, his destiny 842 00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:52.480 being fulfilled. So then my head canon was, Okay, well, yes, 843 00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:57.000 he doesn't remember why he feels this way about Superman. 844 00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:02.400 He doesn't remember the specifics of you know, his childhood 845 00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:04.480 and Lionel and this and. 846 00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:05.039 That, but. 847 00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.960 Those memories, those experiences still shaped him, right, So like 848 00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:13.920 he's still the same person that he was when we, 849 00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:17.639 you know, left off with his character. It's just that 850 00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:20.519 he doesn't know why he's that person, right, And knowing 851 00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:22.960 Lex the way we know him, he will go to 852 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.719 great lengths to figure out why. And the season eleven 853 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:29.960 comic really expounded on that a lot too, so, and 854 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:30.639 you know. 855 00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:36.000 That's that is true to actual psychology. 856 00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:40.440 There are examples of people with post traumatic stress who 857 00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:45.639 don't remember their trauma, but they are still experiencing trauma. 858 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:48.280 They just don't know they can't trace it, right like 859 00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:49.800 to those repressed memories. 860 00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:55.719 There are examples of people, you know. 861 00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:59.960 Like psychopaths, having specific hatreds of certain kinds of people 862 00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:03.199 or whatever it might be, and they don't know why, right. 863 00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.400 So I do think that it is. 864 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:09.199 It makes sense and it is true to psychology if 865 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.239 you kind of look at it in that kind of 866 00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.559 in that perspective. But it did take me a little 867 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:18.559 while to kind of appreciate that. I think that was 868 00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:24.559 one misstep in an otherwise nearly perfect finale. Another misstep, 869 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:28.480 of course, was the Superman costume itself on Clark. 870 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:32.079 But you know what, we will get back. 871 00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:34.119 To that, because I need to first just wrap up 872 00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:38.480 the Luther element by saying Lionel was fantastic in this episode. 873 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:39.719 It's so cool to see him. 874 00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:44.840 As just such a creepy Charles Manson esque psycho with 875 00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:49.400 this long, nasty hair and beard and his nails and stuff, 876 00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:55.880 his whole mad scientist moment, willing to sacrifice his own 877 00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:57.280 daughter's heart for Lex. 878 00:54:57.920 --> 00:54:59.880 It's just so cool and so evil and. 879 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:04.559 So so perfectly Linel, but in this really demented you know, 880 00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:10.360 Earth two Linel specific way. I just loved it, and 881 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:12.480 it was it was such a great device, you know, 882 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:17.599 like to have Linel be sort of the catalysts for 883 00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:22.599 how our og Lex comes back, for how Michael comes back. 884 00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:26.920 That's my other only regret is I would have in 885 00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:28.800 terms of the Luther thing, I would have loved to 886 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:31.039 have seen a final scene with the two of them. 887 00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:33.159 I get what, they probably couldn't schedule thing and blah 888 00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:37.280 blah blah, but it would have been amazing. But anyway, 889 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.840 what a brilliant sendoff for the magnificent Bastard. 890 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:40.760 So great. 891 00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:44.320 Yeah, So getting back to. 892 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:47.840 The Superman costume, Yeah, it's a little yeah, it's a 893 00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:49.239 little cheesy that. 894 00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:51.360 We don't get to see Tom in the costume. I 895 00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:52.280 get it, I get it. 896 00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.840 I get everyone's disappointment, But you know what, it really 897 00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:57.480 didn't bother me that much when I first watched it, 898 00:55:57.880 --> 00:55:59.199 and it doesn't bother me that much. 899 00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:00.480 All these years later, Like, I. 900 00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:07.480 Get the frustration, but I guess because I was always 901 00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:11.800 watching the show for the journey up to that moment, 902 00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:16.440 I never even really thought we would get that moment, 903 00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:18.639 if that makes sense. I kind of thought we might 904 00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:21.440 end with like the shirt rip and the s and 905 00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:22.400 boom that's it. 906 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:25.159 Like, so we got a little. 907 00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:27.639 Bit more than you know, I kind of honestly bargained for, 908 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.360 and so to me, I was like, Okay, you know, 909 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:32.320 could have been executed. 910 00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:32.840 A little better there, but. 911 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:37.519 We got a little more suit action than I really 912 00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:40.280 thought we would get. So for that reason, it didn't 913 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:44.039 really bother me. I get Tom has his creative reasons 914 00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:46.599 for not wanting to do it or whatever. It would 915 00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:48.760 have been awesome. You never know, there could still be 916 00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:53.960 a Smallville movie, but no, I think because the build 917 00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:56.559 up to it was so epic to me too, It's 918 00:56:56.599 --> 00:57:00.599 like everything we saw in the Fortress, Clark remembering all 919 00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:04.039 those memories in the crystals, the voice of Jorel combined 920 00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:05.920 with Jonathan, and the fact that it's the two of 921 00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:11.239 them finally as these two opposite fathers finally connected now, 922 00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:15.079 and Jonathan handing the suit off to Clark getting chills 923 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:19.679 thinking about it. Yeah, and we do get that really 924 00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:21.639 cool short rip moment at the very end, and the 925 00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:24.800 John Williams theme playing, and the fact that it turns 926 00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:27.039 into the S at the end and it's no longer 927 00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:29.239 S for Small though now it's S for Superman, just 928 00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:35.239 like perfect segue into the iconic movie Superman. 929 00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:39.000 So yeah, I could go on and on. 930 00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.840 I really would love to do so, but I'm just 931 00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:47.480 gonna leave it at that and just say it's been 932 00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:51.320 a journey. It's been a ride, not only being a 933 00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:54.239 fan of the show, but being a guest on the podcast. 934 00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:58.320 I've just loved every moment of it, and the friendships 935 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.920 that I've made through this podcast as well with everybody 936 00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:05.599 else who have I've gotten the chance to speak about 937 00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:07.719 the show together with has been amazing. 938 00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:10.760 Again. I am Matthew Roca. 939 00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:16.119 That's Rocca, and you can find me on Instagram. I 940 00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.679 am a filmmaker. You can follow my work. Right now, 941 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.880 I'm working on editing a feature that we just shot 942 00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.719 called Morte m o RTE. Can find the little temporary 943 00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:32.400 poster on IMDb if you look up Matthew Roca Rocca 944 00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:36.519 and then the title Morte And yeah, stay tuned for 945 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:38.960 more filmmaking stuff from me. 946 00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:41.360 I think the next one might be a superhero movie. 947 00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:43.000 So here we go. 948 00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.400 Hey everyone, my name is Darren Kirsht and if you 949 00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:51.920 are not familiar with me or my work, I got 950 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:55.239 my start podcasting about five years ago with Zach on 951 00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:59.360 the Level thirty three point one Roundtable episodes above the 952 00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:03.440 Patreon had a lot of blast. I was actually lucky 953 00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:06.760 enough to be featured on the season six episode five 954 00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:11.280 reunion episode proper of the podcast, and that was Zach 955 00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:13.239 and Lance and that was a blast. It was a 956 00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:17.960 ton of fun. Yeah, it was awesome. And then I'm 957 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.800 also the host of Round two, the film sequel podcast, 958 00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:23.199 where Zach has been on a couple of different times, 959 00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:24.679 and that's been a lot of fun as well. 960 00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:28.679 And Zach Lance as well, i should say. And then 961 00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:30.119 I also wrote. 962 00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:33.280 A book called The Snyder Verse Saga, which covers the 963 00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:39.119 DCEU but mainly the Zach Snyder DC movies. There is 964 00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:42.480 actually a Snyder Cut special that Zach did where we 965 00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:44.440 talked a lot about the book with the making of 966 00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:46.000 the book, kind of the content of the book. 967 00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:48.440 It was a lot of fun. I recommend you check 968 00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:48.679 it out. 969 00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:54.119 As for my thoughts on Smallville the entire series itself. 970 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:57.639 I personally prefer the first half of the series because 971 00:59:58.000 --> 00:59:59.960 to me, it feels like more of the original PROMI 972 01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:03.159 of its conception, and personally I can relate to it more. 973 01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:05.719 You know, I grew up in a rural, small tone 974 01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:11.519 hobby farm, so I could just definitely relate to the 975 01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:15.480 Superman mythology as a whole as a writer and a 976 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:18.639 journalist per se two. So to me, I just I 977 01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:21.119 always resonated with the first half of the series more 978 01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:23.639 than the second half. But there are great episodes and 979 01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:27.719 moments throughout the entire series. I always tell people and Zach, 980 01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:32.800 I'm sure I always finds this really bizarre that one 981 01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:37.719 of my favorite episodes is season three, episode four, called Slumber. 982 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:39.360 I don't know why. 983 01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:42.400 It's just something that it's always been that way for me, 984 01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:48.039 and I just really loved that episode. So it's not 985 01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:51.000 the best episode, I should add, it's just one of 986 01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:54.559 my personal favorites. But you know, I think the content 987 01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:56.599 in the later seasons of the show, and to an extent, 988 01:00:56.719 --> 01:00:59.400 like the show in general, hasn't aged amazingly. 989 01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:00.760 Might be kind of. 990 01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:06.039 Sacrilegious to say in a way but to me, it 991 01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.480 just it becomes too fantastical and a little bit too 992 01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:11.559 comic bookie. For me, it kind of feels like the 993 01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:15.119 tone shifts when they go to Metropolis in the later seasons. 994 01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:19.599 But you know, in fun story in the moment, which 995 01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:23.199 for me was like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, when the 996 01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:27.400 was when this for the series finale, I was actually 997 01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:31.960 initially skeptical of this New Man of Steel movie because 998 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:34.599 I was such a big fan of Smallville and always 999 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:38.599 champion Tom Welling as like our generation Superman at that time. 1000 01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:41.079 And it's really funny now to look back on that 1001 01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:44.000 over a decade later and to see kind of like 1002 01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:47.360 how things have really changed, not only with that opinion, 1003 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:51.719 but like with our landscape as being Superman fans as 1004 01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:54.679 a whole. But I just I owe so much to 1005 01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:57.800 Tom Welling and his portrayal of Clark Kent for me 1006 01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:01.119 in my formative years. It's just something that it's kind 1007 01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:03.920 of been like a light to guide the way for 1008 01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:07.360 me and something that I'll always be grateful for. But 1009 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.039 as for my thoughts on the series finale, there are 1010 01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:12.480 moments that are really well done, and I think there 1011 01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:16.559 are moments that just really don't work for me, like 1012 01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:19.960 at all. So I guess overall it is a little 1013 01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:23.480 underwhelming in terms of, like how you're going to wrap 1014 01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:25.639 up this show of him becoming Superman, Like that's the 1015 01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:28.719 whole purpose of the show, is Clark Kent on the 1016 01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:32.440 journey to becoming Superman, the hero's journey, right, And I 1017 01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:35.280 just think, you know, and then there might be numerous 1018 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:39.199 reasons why it didn't, you know, end up being the 1019 01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:41.559 level of quality that I feel like it very well 1020 01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:45.039 could have been and should have been. But you know, 1021 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:47.039 it is what it is, and there's still some good 1022 01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:50.800 stuff in there too, some stand up moments. I love 1023 01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:53.800 everything with Clark and Lewis. The night before the wedding 1024 01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:56.079 and they're talking to each side of the door, I 1025 01:02:56.159 --> 01:03:00.440 thought was worked really well. The wedding itself, if I thought, 1026 01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:04.320 was done really well. The song Breathe Again by Sarah Morellis, 1027 01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:08.119 I thought that just fit perfectly. And then the line 1028 01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:10.559 also like everything all right, Smallville, and then like he 1029 01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:13.320 responds with you know perfect I think it's cool how 1030 01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:16.480 that ties back to the pilot with this conversation with 1031 01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:21.199 Lana and then and the quote from Clark's vow was 1032 01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:26.159 I actually used in my wedding as well, because it's 1033 01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:29.559 just I just thought it was perfect and loved it 1034 01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:33.000 so much. So I guess another moment for me that 1035 01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:37.519 I really liked from the finale, the Trials moment, you know, 1036 01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:40.320 with Jonathan handing in the suit saying the famous quote 1037 01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:44.639 you know always Alana Smallville and just and just seeing 1038 01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:48.760 the flashbacks is kind of like a cool way of showing, 1039 01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:52.800 you know, where we've come from, how far we've come, 1040 01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:57.960 hal far Clark has has gone on his journey, everything 1041 01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:00.519 was a trial, and it's kind of active of our 1042 01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:02.480 lives too, you know, in the trials we go through 1043 01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:04.679 to become the people that we want to be. We're 1044 01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:07.599 all Superman fans because of I feel like we try 1045 01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:10.079 to strive to be, you know, the best version of 1046 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:12.480 ourselves and try to live up to you know, our 1047 01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:15.480 love and fandom for this character. And I feel like 1048 01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:17.440 it's kind of reflective of that in our lives too, 1049 01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:20.280 and how we look back in that similar way, especially 1050 01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:24.679 when we're tested the most. So yeah, so I really 1051 01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:27.719 liked that the Trials moment, not really what comes before 1052 01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:29.519 or after with you know, you know, Got Dark Side, 1053 01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:34.480 Lionel and Uh, it's just yeah, anyway, well I'll come 1054 01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:37.159 back to that later. But the conversation in the barn 1055 01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:41.280 with Jonathan and Martha, it's always a treat to see 1056 01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:46.039 Anet O'Toole and John Schneider together as Jonathan and Martha Kent, 1057 01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:48.639 and it's just it was really great to kind of 1058 01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:50.920 bring it back because that was when the beginning of 1059 01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:52.639 the show, Like that was part of what made the 1060 01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:55.880 show is so great, was that family dynamic and seeing them, 1061 01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:59.360 you know, all back together like that, you know, even 1062 01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:03.000 though like see one of the characters isn't really wasn't 1063 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:09.800 really there physically speaking, but it goes for him. But yeah, 1064 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:13.039 I thought that was a great scene. Obviously, the Clark 1065 01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:15.360 and Lex scene is probably the most famous. I would 1066 01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:20.679 say having Michael Rosenbaum come back so awesome that he did. 1067 01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:23.360 I couldn't imagine what it would be like if he 1068 01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:27.199 wasn't back, and just seeing the two of them together 1069 01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:29.599 also brings it right back to how the show kind 1070 01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:31.440 of started and what was so great about it early on. 1071 01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:34.519 And then I also really liked how it ended on a. 1072 01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:38.639 Flash forward because it kind of mirrors the pilot opening 1073 01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:42.000 with a flashback, so I thought that was a really 1074 01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:45.079 fun twist that ties it back to the pilot as well. 1075 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:48.159 And it's kind of interesting because the Harry Potter movie 1076 01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:51.679 franchise literally and the books I guess too literally did 1077 01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:55.159 the same thing at that same point in time with 1078 01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:56.639 Deathie Hollow's Part two. 1079 01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:01.840 So just kind of a fun coincidence everything. 1080 01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:06.239 So when it comes to what doesn't work with the finale, 1081 01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:11.320 to me, pretty much everything involving dark Side, and a 1082 01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:13.079 lot of that I believe is due to the writing 1083 01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:16.400 and just like the the conceptual idea of it for 1084 01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:18.559 the not just the episode, but the end for the 1085 01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:22.000 whole season. Like there's some large scale issues like that 1086 01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:25.599 season planning, but there's also like on a smaller scale, 1087 01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:28.360 a lot of the dialogue just does not. 1088 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:31.920 Sit well with me. I guess it could have been 1089 01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:33.840 a lot stronger. It felt like maybe it was rushed, 1090 01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:39.639 And I get it, like it's probably hectic and trying to. 1091 01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:42.760 Come up with a finale, and I'm sure it's not 1092 01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:45.119 an easy thing, and not saying I would be any 1093 01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:47.800 better at it than they are, but I felt like 1094 01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:50.719 when you look at the earlier seasons of the show, 1095 01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:56.800 not even just with like you know, Miles and Miller, but. 1096 01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:01.159 I'll go on Miles more. But yeah, I don't know. 1097 01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:03.199 I just it wasn't quite as strong as it usually 1098 01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:07.320 was for me, test erasing Lex's memory. That also, to 1099 01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:14.719 me was unfortunate that that whole scene was kind of unfortunate. Also, 1100 01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:17.519 why the long time jump to do the wedding again? 1101 01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:19.400 Why not just do it a week later? 1102 01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:19.880 You know? 1103 01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:24.199 So I always thought that was kind of a strange choice, 1104 01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:29.519 creative story choice. I know a lot of people are 1105 01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:32.079 kind of frustrated with the whole cgi Superman, you know, 1106 01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:36.079 like we don't actually see him physically in the suit right, 1107 01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:41.159 which it is a bummer, But I totally understand the 1108 01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:43.440 why of it, you know, when you when you hear 1109 01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:47.119 Brian Peterson talk about why they chose not to because 1110 01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:51.079 they felt like it's every other Superman media does it, 1111 01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:55.079 and for their show, the short rip was like their 1112 01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:58.320 way of just giving you what you just just the 1113 01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:00.880 amount of what you need to understand it. 1114 01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:02.920 And I and I liked how it ended on that 1115 01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:05.039 as well. I think that was really great. 1116 01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:09.159 You know, it's kind of sort of how Zack Sander's 1117 01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:10.519 Justice League ended as well. 1118 01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:13.159 But we'll we'll we'll we'll not talk about that. 1119 01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:17.279 Uh, you know, to wrap up, uh, Smavel is my 1120 01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:20.720 favorite show ever, and that's solely based on nostalgia and 1121 01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:22.800 it will likely remain that way. 1122 01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:23.399 You know. 1123 01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:26.279 It added so much to the mythology, and it contained 1124 01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:29.119 some of my favorite aspects of the entire Superman mythos, 1125 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:33.800 including certain casting choices like Michael Rosenbaum, John Glover, John Schneider. 1126 01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:37.319 I think about some, you know, like the the way 1127 01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:40.520 the show started with the on the Kryptonite. 1128 01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:45.880 Falling and how it kind of and obviously with Lex 1129 01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:51.319 how that loses his hair. And I really love the 1130 01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:53.119 the Kent. 1131 01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:56.840 Farm in general, but the barn itself, the loft, I 1132 01:08:56.920 --> 01:08:59.720 think it was one of my favorite set pieces in 1133 01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:04.920 all Superman media. So so much great stuff came from Smallville, 1134 01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:08.560 and I just want to thank Zach Lance and all 1135 01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:11.399 y'all small villains for keeping the flame of this. 1136 01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:13.479 Amazing show alive and well. 1137 01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:17.479 And no matter what good seasons are bad, good episodes 1138 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:21.000 are bad, I will always hold on to Smallville. 1139 01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:26.159 Hey, always hold on to Smallville. Chris Fuchs here from 1140 01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:29.119 always hold on to Star Wars with my thoughts on 1141 01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:34.520 the Smallville season ten series finale. This show was one 1142 01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:37.399 of the first shows that I watched religiously start to finish. 1143 01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:41.079 It was appointment television for the first seven or eight years, 1144 01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:43.119 and then as I got older and had a job 1145 01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:44.640 and a little bit more of a life, it was 1146 01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:48.199 catch up on the DVR. But I made sure I 1147 01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:51.800 was there for the series finale, and I got to say, 1148 01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:54.239 when I first watched it, I walked away happy. I 1149 01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:57.119 walked away satisfied with the way that the show ended. 1150 01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:00.920 I know it's changed over the years with rewatches and 1151 01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:04.079 seeing how other superhero shows have done it since then, 1152 01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:07.560 but watching the first time through, I was definitely good 1153 01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:09.560 with the ending and all the way after that shirt 1154 01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:11.760 rip had me giddy and just happy to see our 1155 01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:13.479 Clark Kent become Superman. 1156 01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:17.119 Some of the things I really liked about the finale. 1157 01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:19.680 One of the biggest things for me was having them 1158 01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:23.840 incorporate a Lois Lane airplane save. I think that was 1159 01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:28.760 huge to have, and it's in almost every Superman story, 1160 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:30.840 so to have something like that was cool to see, 1161 01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:34.239 and it's a nice moment to see Lois have Lois 1162 01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:37.720 see her Clark become Superman, and we get to experience 1163 01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:39.000 that as well, and that's what a lot of what 1164 01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:41.760 the show is is her inspiring and pushing him. Some 1165 01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:44.920 of my least favorite parts of the series finale, I 1166 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:49.119 think it was definitely slow starting and then rushed finish, 1167 01:10:49.479 --> 01:10:50.720 so I think they could have done a little bit 1168 01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:56.199 better in that regard. Having Oliver disperse dark sides cronies 1169 01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:59.560 with one shot three arrows was a bit much for me. 1170 01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:03.399 And I also really didn't like that comic book story 1171 01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:09.000 intro where Chloe's reading the story of Clark in Smallville 1172 01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:11.359 to her son. I thought that was a bit that 1173 01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:13.560 and I just took me out of it a bit 1174 01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:15.600 for there, So it wasn't a fit of that. Looking 1175 01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:20.600 back now so many years later, definitely I see the 1176 01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:22.399 issues a little bit more. I see the areas that 1177 01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:24.359 I would have I wish they did that differently, or 1178 01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:27.439 that wasn't as satisfying. But coming out of it in 1179 01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:29.399 the beginning when I first watched it, I was definitely 1180 01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:33.600 happy and felt good about the ending. I think back 1181 01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:36.199 then I probably would have rated it around maybe like 1182 01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:40.319 a B plus a minus range, and thinking back now, 1183 01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:43.640 it's probably much lower, probably like a BB minus range 1184 01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:47.479 in terms of what they gave us but ending on 1185 01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:51.119 that shirt rip that was everything to me. So but 1186 01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:54.319 it's definitely been a fun ride rewatching the series, re 1187 01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:58.439 listening and meeting this group of people. Always hold on 1188 01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:01.680 to Smallville, that my favorite show is as much as 1189 01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:04.239 I do. So just like that journey came to the end, 1190 01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:07.079 now this one is coming to an end. Can't wait 1191 01:12:07.199 --> 01:12:09.560 to hear what you have to say about it, Zech 1192 01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:13.359 and your guests. Looking forward to that finale coverage and 1193 01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:14.960 always holding on to Smallville. 1194 01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:19.479 This is Casey Cochrane. You can find me on Twitter 1195 01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:22.920 or x as it's called nowadays at Casey Cochran fifty three. 1196 01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:27.840 I'm now also the livestream producer for Faith UCC and Dunnine, Florida. 1197 01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:29.359 I've got a. 1198 01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:33.720 Unique memory about when I watched the Smallville finale. I 1199 01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:36.279 was working at McDonald's at the time and I had 1200 01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:39.119 to work the night at the finale. I also had 1201 01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:41.119 a coworker who was a small Old fan and we 1202 01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:44.239 were both working that night, so I invited him to 1203 01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:48.159 my house after work to watch the finale. Well, after 1204 01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:52.159 work was about five am, not the time most people 1205 01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:55.840 watched it, and I don't remember how I felt at 1206 01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:59.479 the time when I watched the finale, but having rewatched 1207 01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:04.720 it again, it still gives me goosebumps. Another anecdote that 1208 01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:07.520 I'd like to share is that I recently met my 1209 01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:12.239 biological father in person for the first time. Shortly after that, 1210 01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:14.239 he got married to a lovely woman, and I have 1211 01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:19.239 visited them several times since they both love Smallville. They 1212 01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:22.279 also have a thing for the number thirteen. He proposed 1213 01:13:22.279 --> 01:13:24.960 to her on April thirteenth of last year, twenty twenty four, 1214 01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:28.000 and then they got married a month later on May thirteenth, 1215 01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:34.199 which was coincidentally the thirteenth anniversary of the Smallville finale. 1216 01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:38.319 They didn't realize it at the time, but I pointed 1217 01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:42.680 it out to them on their one year anniversary this year. 1218 01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:49.439 Hello, always hold on to Smallville, Luke Bug the Geek 1219 01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:52.960 of Steel here and you condy asked me to share 1220 01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:57.119 a few thoughts on the finale of Smallville, and I 1221 01:13:57.239 --> 01:14:00.760 hope you have a spare five to ten hours for 1222 01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:02.640 my rantings and ravings. 1223 01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:08.199 That show continues to be a huge part of my life. 1224 01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:13.279 After season one ended many many years ago, I wanted 1225 01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:17.119 to learn more about these characters, To learn more about 1226 01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:22.159 Superman and Clark and Lois and Lex and Smallville. From 1227 01:14:22.359 --> 01:14:26.600 that first encounter of that show, my love for Superman 1228 01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:30.760 grew and grew and grew to one day, I became 1229 01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:33.319 the Geek of Steel, and for many years I have 1230 01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:41.560 loved sharing everything about Superman. And when that show ended, 1231 01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:46.000 I was scared to watch that finally. I didn't want 1232 01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:49.119 it to end. I didn't want to say goodbye to 1233 01:14:49.239 --> 01:14:53.760 these characters and those stories and that town. But sadly 1234 01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:56.760 we had to because the time had come for Smallville 1235 01:14:56.800 --> 01:14:57.159 to end. 1236 01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:00.239 I was was. 1237 01:15:02.159 --> 01:15:06.039 Emotional, to say the least, when those final credits rolled. 1238 01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:10.800 But I'm grateful for that show. I'm grateful for the 1239 01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:16.279 characters and the memories and the way that that show 1240 01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:20.680 has helped create where we are now in the world 1241 01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:24.760 of pop culture and television. Just like without action comics, 1242 01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:28.159 we wouldn't have movies and TV shows like we have 1243 01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:32.720 now because of Smallville. We wouldn't have had Arrow, we 1244 01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:35.960 wouldn't have shows like Gotham, we wouldn't have so many 1245 01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:42.000 more TV shows about superheroes. So we must always hold 1246 01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:45.439 on to Smallville and the memories of that show, and 1247 01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:50.239 especially that finale. Smallville and Superman mean so much to 1248 01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:54.600 me and to thousands of people around the world, and 1249 01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:59.239 even though that show has sadly ended, it will continue 1250 01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:02.000 to live on in our memories and in our hats 1251 01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:05.920 and be a huge part of why we are fans 1252 01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:06.680 of Superman. 1253 01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:11.600 Hey there, this is Anthony Politic from the grun podcast. 1254 01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:15.560 We finally made it to the Smallville series finale, and 1255 01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:19.000 I guess the always hold on the Smallville series finale 1256 01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:22.199 as well been hell of a ride. But for the finale, 1257 01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:26.600 the finale of this Tom Welding led series, I actually 1258 01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:29.520 tuned in. I was not a regular viewer of Smallville 1259 01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:31.159 at this point, and I'm sure a lot of people 1260 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:34.319 also weren't a regular viewer of Smallville compared to the 1261 01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:37.960 earlier years. But it was impossible to not be a 1262 01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:41.199 compbook fan around this time period, whether it was because 1263 01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:44.239 of the movies or whatever, and not be aware that Smallville, 1264 01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:48.560 this giant Superman show, was reaching its finale. So I 1265 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:51.479 did what any good Samaritan would do, and I tuned in. 1266 01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:54.960 I watched the show. I had no context for half 1267 01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:56.880 the stuff that was going on. I just knew that 1268 01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:01.159 I was watching a Superman show with all these wonderful characters, 1269 01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:05.239 and you know, to say that it's bad, or say 1270 01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:07.279 that it's awful, or say that it's this worst thing 1271 01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:09.920 ever has been said before. So I won't be saying 1272 01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:14.399 that here. I'll simply say that it ended. No, I 1273 01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:16.000 didn't cut out. That's just all I have to say. 1274 01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:16.479 It ended. 1275 01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:19.800 So thank you so much, Zach for having me on 1276 01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:22.600 the show the multiple times that you had me. Thanks 1277 01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:25.239 for reaching out and having me record this little voice memo. 1278 01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:28.079 Just like thousands, I don't know that. Maybe not thousands, 1279 01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:30.960 that's not right. However, many people are here with me 1280 01:17:31.199 --> 01:17:34.279 talking about the Smallville finale and how it happened. 1281 01:17:35.079 --> 01:17:41.720 Great Hey, Zach Eddie here from New York, New York. 1282 01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:45.159 It has been a pleasure to listen to you guys, 1283 01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:47.359 and I can't believe we're at the final. 1284 01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:50.119 Really, always hold on to Smallville. 1285 01:17:49.640 --> 01:17:55.319 Man, I gotta tell you. I know the finale had 1286 01:17:55.479 --> 01:18:01.439 its disappointing moments, but really I remember watching it and 1287 01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:07.319 being so excited for it. Watching him fly, that was 1288 01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:12.279 just a real epic moment. I have a different take 1289 01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:16.399 on what it meant for our Clark Kent being the 1290 01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:20.720 most powerful because he pushed away a planet. I believe 1291 01:18:21.079 --> 01:18:26.760 that that was more about the collective group of people 1292 01:18:27.279 --> 01:18:33.359 on planet Earth rejecting the dark side, combined with Clark 1293 01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:40.159 slash Superman pushing the planet. The rejection of the darkness 1294 01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:44.119 is what enabled the planet to be rejected from Earth. 1295 01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:47.960 So it wasn't just about Clark being the most powerful. 1296 01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:52.399 It was about the overall rejection of the darkness and 1297 01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:57.479 the real theme of season ten with darkness. It's had 1298 01:18:57.760 --> 01:19:00.920 its up and downs season ten, but at the end 1299 01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:05.119 of the day, you know, we got Michael back for Lex, 1300 01:19:05.479 --> 01:19:11.920 we got their confrontation. It wasn't perfect, but we certainly 1301 01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:14.680 got a good enough ending. I give it an A. 1302 01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:19.680 And you know, listening to this show has been special, 1303 01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:23.079 being part of it, being on it, and it's really 1304 01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:27.279 gonna be tough to you know, not have any new episodes. 1305 01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:30.319 I gotta tell you, always hold on to Smallville. This 1306 01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:33.960 podcast best one for the best show. Thank you guys, 1307 01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:35.199 really appreciate it. 1308 01:19:36.399 --> 01:19:36.640 Bye. 1309 01:19:38.600 --> 01:19:38.760 Hi. 1310 01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:42.560 This is Meredith Borders calling in from Bavaria, Germany. I've 1311 01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:45.159 been lucky to join zacun Always hold on to Smallville 1312 01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:47.840 three times in the final three seasons and each time 1313 01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:50.520 has been a joy. Sex done such great work with 1314 01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:53.159 us podcast, and I can't wait to hear the final episode. 1315 01:19:53.960 --> 01:19:56.439 I love the series finale. I know that's not always 1316 01:19:56.479 --> 01:19:59.039 a popular opinion, but knowing what we did about Tom 1317 01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:01.479 Wellen's feelings about the suit, I think they came as 1318 01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:04.800 close to that Superman in Metropolis magic as this high school, 1319 01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:08.319 small town show was ever going to get. I remember 1320 01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:11.039 spending months on the boards and TV gossip columns trying 1321 01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:13.039 to learn if we'd see Rosie in the final app 1322 01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:15.439 and I think, like in Lex's last scene. 1323 01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:16.039 Is truly earned. 1324 01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:20.760 I love Tessa's triumphant goodbye and Clark's final ascension revisiting 1325 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:22.840 all of his most important saves and taking to the 1326 01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:26.600 skies gives me chills every time. I know the CGA 1327 01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:29.159 suit bugs folks, and that's fair, but I'm too busy 1328 01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:31.920 watching Erica durronson that scene, who gives the performance of 1329 01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:35.000 a lifetime. And at long, long last, we've reached the 1330 01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:37.880 origin story of this podcast's. 1331 01:20:37.319 --> 01:20:41.359 Name for me, no notes, Hi, everyone, Alan Burke here 1332 01:20:41.359 --> 01:20:44.279 from All Star Fan podcast. You know, I stock with 1333 01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:47.439 smallvill for nearly seven full seasons, and those early years 1334 01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:49.560 really meant a lot to me. There was something powerful 1335 01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:51.880 about watching young Clark Kente come into his own not 1336 01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:54.039 as Superman, but as a person learning to carry the 1337 01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:56.520 weight of who he was meant to become. The relationships 1338 01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:59.079 to heart, the emotional grounding, it all works so well, 1339 01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:01.560 and even as my faded in the later seasons, I 1340 01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:03.800 never stopped respecting what small Will set out to do, 1341 01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:07.560 because honestly, Smallville mattered. It kept the Superman mit us 1342 01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:09.960 alive during a time when no one else was touching it. 1343 01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:12.920 It reintroduced core elements of the character to a new generation, 1344 01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:15.239 and it laid the groundwork for the golden age of 1345 01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:18.920 superhero television we see today. Without Smallville, there's no Arrowverse, 1346 01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:22.359 no Superman and Lowest Maybe. Even though MCUTV in the form, 1347 01:21:22.439 --> 01:21:25.880 we note the show helped redefine what long form superhero 1348 01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:28.520 storytelling could look like, and that's a legacy to be 1349 01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:30.439 very proud of. But when it comes to the finale, 1350 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:32.720 it's hard not to feel let down. After ten years 1351 01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:34.920 of build up, we were promised the moment Clark would 1352 01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:37.800 finally become Superman, and it just didn't deliver. The way 1353 01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:40.880 the show handled Darkseide and the entire apocalypse plotline felt 1354 01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:43.800 rushed and toothless. One of DC's biggest villains reduced to 1355 01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:46.319 a puff of smoke and vague symbolism. It felt more 1356 01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:48.640 like a technicality than a triumph. And the fact that 1357 01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:50.680 we never really got to see Tom Welling wherre the 1358 01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:54.000 k properly it still stings all these years later. I 1359 01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:57.199 understand the behind the scenes reasons, but from a fan's perspective, 1360 01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:00.399 it was a giant misstep. That was the payoff we 1361 01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:03.039 waited for, not just the idea of Superman, but Clark 1362 01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:06.560 becoming him. We were ready, the moment just never truly came. 1363 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:09.520 All that said, I'm incredibly grateful to Zach Moore from 1364 01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:11.399 inviting me to be part of They Always went On 1365 01:22:11.479 --> 01:22:13.439 to Small Bill Journey. It's been a real honor to 1366 01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:15.840 revisit what the show got right, what its struggled with, 1367 01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:18.159 and why he continues to mean so much to so 1368 01:22:18.319 --> 01:22:21.039 many people. Zach, thank you for the invitation, and I 1369 01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:23.640 wish you nothing but success in all your future projects. 1370 01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:26.079 You've done something really special with this community, and I'm 1371 01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:27.319 proud to have been a small part of it. 1372 01:22:27.359 --> 01:22:28.000 Was along the way. 1373 01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:32.159 Hey, Zach, this is Joey Deenberg from Always hold On 1374 01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:34.239 to Star Wars. Just give you some of my thoughts 1375 01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:38.159 on these Smallville finale. So back in twenty eleven, I 1376 01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:41.560 was finishing up my junior year of high school, and 1377 01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:43.880 I remember that the day the finale came out, I 1378 01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:46.960 was actually away working at a boy Scout camp, and 1379 01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:49.680 I was I remember being bummed that I did not 1380 01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:50.520 get to see it live. 1381 01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:52.039 But the good thing about. 1382 01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:54.000 Twenty eleven was I did not have a smartphone, I 1383 01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:55.880 didn't have social media in my fingertips, so I was 1384 01:22:55.920 --> 01:22:57.920 able to make it out of camp and back home 1385 01:22:58.039 --> 01:22:59.720 unscathed from any kind of spoilers. 1386 01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:03.239 And I made it home and I went straight. 1387 01:23:03.039 --> 01:23:03.560 For the DVR. 1388 01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:06.119 Normally, after a long week of camp, I'm probably heading 1389 01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:10.279 straight to bed, but this show had me ignoring, being 1390 01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:12.399 you know, as tired as I was. I remember my 1391 01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:14.359 parents giving me a hard time, trying to tease me 1392 01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:16.880 and throw some spoilers out there, like oh, yeah, you 1393 01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:18.920 get to see Tom Welling in the Superman costume, and 1394 01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:23.560 thinking that that they had spoiled it there, and clearly 1395 01:23:23.640 --> 01:23:25.560 they did not, and they did not actually watch it. 1396 01:23:25.640 --> 01:23:29.079 So I was able to sit down with my parents 1397 01:23:29.319 --> 01:23:31.119 and watch it. It wasn't never a family show in 1398 01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:32.079 our house, but they. 1399 01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:33.880 Always knew what was going on. And for this one, 1400 01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:38.000 I remember them tuning in with me to watch. I 1401 01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:39.600 loved it in the moment when it came out. 1402 01:23:39.640 --> 01:23:42.399 I remember being obsessed with it after the fact, rewatching 1403 01:23:42.439 --> 01:23:46.279 it on the DVR. I remember buying the individual episodes 1404 01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:49.359 on my iPod and rewatching them over and over on 1405 01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:53.760 bus rides to track meets over the next year, and 1406 01:23:53.960 --> 01:23:56.680 just always going back to it. For me, it's still 1407 01:23:56.720 --> 01:23:59.399 held up. It was a huge part of my Superman fandom, just. 1408 01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:02.199 You know the age I was. 1409 01:24:02.239 --> 01:24:05.079 I was too young when Lois and Clark came out, 1410 01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:08.319 and we're still a few were years away from Man 1411 01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:10.279 of Steel, so this kind of was it for me. 1412 01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:14.840 I mean, there was Superman Returns, but Smallville obviously was 1413 01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:17.760 just a much more key piece to my fandom. So 1414 01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:21.880 I really enjoyed the finale in the moment when it 1415 01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:25.720 came out. It's still I still enjoy looking back at it, 1416 01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:29.479 but I now appreciate Smallville for more of what the 1417 01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:32.199 journey it was, and I can find myself, you know, 1418 01:24:32.479 --> 01:24:35.479 rewatching you know, all of season one or some of 1419 01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:38.319 those earlier episodes before I go back to the finale. 1420 01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:40.960 So it's not always my favorite part, but it's still 1421 01:24:41.479 --> 01:24:44.560 hold a special place in my heart. I'm really looking 1422 01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:46.600 forward to hearing your thoughts on the finale throughout this 1423 01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:50.039 journey of listening to you rewatch the show over over years. 1424 01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:53.960 Really excited to hear about your guys' discussion about it, 1425 01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:56.880 and also just want to say thank you again for 1426 01:24:57.119 --> 01:24:58.600 the community that you've created. 1427 01:24:58.680 --> 01:24:58.920 This is. 1428 01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:03.039 This podcast has really meant a lot to me. It's 1429 01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:04.960 always there whether you have a good day at work 1430 01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:06.239 and you just need to pass the time, or you 1431 01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:07.680 have a bad day and you need to escape this. 1432 01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:11.800 You know, your show, not so much Smallville, but your 1433 01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:16.239 show has really created a community and a place for 1434 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:20.159 people like me to come enjoy. And you know, even 1435 01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:23.760 before our first thirty three point one roundtable that I 1436 01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:26.560 got to actually talk to you felt like I knew 1437 01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:29.319 you and Lance and Kevin, Chris and you know you 1438 01:25:29.359 --> 01:25:32.359 all felt like friends just listening to you, and I 1439 01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:34.760 can really tell you guys just are yourselves here on 1440 01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:37.920 this podcast. So just appreciated you guys sharing this experience 1441 01:25:37.960 --> 01:25:40.399 with us. And again I'm looking forward to it and 1442 01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:43.039 because of your show, I know I will always hold 1443 01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:43.880 on to Smallville. 1444 01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:47.960 Hey, Zach Anthony Desiotto here from digging for Kryptonite. I 1445 01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:49.880 don't know that I've ever been as excited for a 1446 01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:52.479 television viewing event as I was to watch the series 1447 01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:55.520 finale of Smallville back in twenty eleven, and it ultimately 1448 01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:58.560 ended up being a pretty bittersweet affair. There were moments 1449 01:25:58.600 --> 01:26:01.520 I absolutely loved, clark reuniting with his parents in the 1450 01:26:01.560 --> 01:26:04.520 barn Lois and Clark's walk down the aisle, Lex and 1451 01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:07.399 Clark's first seen together in years, and of course Clark's 1452 01:26:07.399 --> 01:26:09.479 seeing all of his trials laid out before him. These 1453 01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:12.840 are some of my favorite moments of the series. Fantastic. Yet, 1454 01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:15.359 of course, on the other hand, we have things like 1455 01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:19.520 Lex's mind wipe, an unforgivable offense that undermines the entire 1456 01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:21.560 journey he's been on over the course of the series, 1457 01:26:22.119 --> 01:26:24.920 and of course the lack of a proper costume. And 1458 01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:28.199 I don't know that I can adequately capture the dissonance 1459 01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:30.319 I felt as I was watching this live back in 1460 01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:34.600 the day, the slow realization that not only is it cgi, 1461 01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:36.840 but that's all we're ever going to get to see. 1462 01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:40.560 For that reason, there's always going to be a bit 1463 01:26:40.640 --> 01:26:43.159 of an asterisk next to the Smallville series finale in 1464 01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:45.880 my book. However, I have made a fair measure of 1465 01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:48.279 peace with it over the years, and I think one 1466 01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:49.800 of the main things I've come to is that I 1467 01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:52.279 think the finale is a microcosm of the series as 1468 01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:56.119 a whole, moments of greatness and moments that frustrate as well. 1469 01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:58.760 Yet despite it all, we love it. So thank you 1470 01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:01.600 for this opportunity, Congress that's on concluding your series coverage, 1471 01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:04.039 and of course I will always hold on to Smallville. 1472 01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:08.279 Good a Zach, buddy, it's your mate, Ryan Yuniican from 1473 01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:10.399 across the ocean, out the side of the world. Even 1474 01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:14.359 first and foremost, just want to send huge congratulations on 1475 01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:20.039 finishing up the show. Extraordinary effort, ungodly effort. To be honest, 1476 01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:22.960 you know, I'm sure you had plenty of people in 1477 01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:24.920 your life to you that you were mad at the 1478 01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:26.680 beginning of this journey, and here you are, all these 1479 01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:30.880 years later about to wrap it up. So congratulations. You 1480 01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:33.039 know how I feel about the podcast, my favorite of 1481 01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:35.199 all time. I was stoked to come on board and 1482 01:27:35.359 --> 01:27:37.319 talk to you about one of my favorite episodes, But 1483 01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:39.680 to be fair, I probably could have chosen the finale 1484 01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:41.199 to come on and talk about as well, because I 1485 01:27:41.399 --> 01:27:44.319 love the finale. I felt like Welling was really up 1486 01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:48.319 to the task, really staked a claim as a definitive 1487 01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:52.479 Superman for a lot of people. And you know, I 1488 01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:55.560 felt like it really delivered on the promise of setting 1489 01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:57.840 the stage for what was to come in the comic 1490 01:27:57.880 --> 01:28:01.680 book pages or whatever you personally side to be the 1491 01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:05.359 continuity after the ending of the show. You know, I 1492 01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:07.119 felt like it really set the stage for you to 1493 01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:10.680 kind of pick where Soups went from there, whether it 1494 01:28:10.760 --> 01:28:13.239 was into comics, whether it was into another form of media. 1495 01:28:14.319 --> 01:28:19.000 I felt like it delivered on that initial premise and thematically, 1496 01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:21.640 I thought it was a really beautiful ending. Like I said, 1497 01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:24.000 I thought Tom was fantastic, It was great to see 1498 01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:27.159 Rosie back. All the supporting casts were fantastic, as they 1499 01:28:27.199 --> 01:28:29.720 always were, a real highlight of the show. 1500 01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:31.800 And obviously Erica Durance. 1501 01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:35.800 You know, what, can you say, the entire playing sequence 1502 01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:39.239 is absolutely extraordinary, And yeah, I just thought it was 1503 01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:42.319 a really beautiful, fantastic, strong. 1504 01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:46.319 Ending to the show. I felt felt definitive to me. 1505 01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:49.760 It felt like, you know, we're putting Clark in the 1506 01:28:49.800 --> 01:28:51.880 rear view and this is this is you know, the 1507 01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:55.159 trials and tribulations are done, destiny fulfilled, and we know 1508 01:28:55.239 --> 01:28:56.119 where he goes from here. 1509 01:28:56.920 --> 01:28:58.399 And I've had a lot of arguments over. 1510 01:28:58.279 --> 01:29:00.800 The years about whether that's a an accurate raid on 1511 01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:04.479 it or not, but that's my stance and and that 1512 01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:06.359 was my raid on it. And I really really loved 1513 01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:11.640 that that was my raid on it. And yeah, fantastic, 1514 01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:14.439 Always hold on the small Ville man. Congratulations, I'm super 1515 01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:15.560 super super styched for you. 1516 01:29:16.399 --> 01:29:16.880 Hi, guys. 1517 01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:20.199 Rob O'Connor here from the All Stars super Fan podcast 1518 01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:24.560 to give my thoughts on the Smallville finale. The finale 1519 01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:27.439 brings up a lot of memories for me. I remember 1520 01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:29.880 when it came out. I had recently started dating my 1521 01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:34.319 now fiance, and I remember watching it on my tiny 1522 01:29:34.399 --> 01:29:38.000 little netbook laptop on the bus on the way back 1523 01:29:38.039 --> 01:29:40.399 from my internship, which was on the other side of Ireland. 1524 01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:44.760 At the time, I was feverishly anticipating this finale, and 1525 01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:48.800 I think at the time I was mostly okay with it, 1526 01:29:48.920 --> 01:29:52.520 with a couple of caveats. I thought the first the 1527 01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:56.159 first forty minutes or so dragged a bit setting up 1528 01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:59.359 the wedding that was not to be. The back end 1529 01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:01.159 was was really the meat of the whole thing, though, 1530 01:30:02.399 --> 01:30:05.560 we see Legs come back, we see Clark, you know, 1531 01:30:06.399 --> 01:30:09.359 finally face down the darkness in the form of Lionel 1532 01:30:10.279 --> 01:30:12.680 finally learns how to fly, and then he flies to 1533 01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:19.199 the fortress and we see him finally become Superman in 1534 01:30:19.319 --> 01:30:23.079 a manner of speaking. I think at the time, I 1535 01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:26.520 was obviously frustrated by the lack of Tom Welling actually 1536 01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:33.399 clearly visibly wearing the Superman costume. I do admire the 1537 01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:36.560 lengths the director and the editor and the producers went 1538 01:30:37.039 --> 01:30:39.720 to working around the problem that Tom Welling wouldn't wear 1539 01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:42.399 the suit. I have a lot of respect for how 1540 01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:47.600 they handled it. It is still sloppy and shaky and 1541 01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:49.960 messy and weird to look at when they do these 1542 01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:52.960 tight shots of his face. It's just very, very odd, 1543 01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:56.039 and I am always just frustrated, like why when the 1544 01:30:56.119 --> 01:30:58.359 Internet was so a washed with images of him wearing 1545 01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:02.199 the costume in photo shots and stuff like, how would 1546 01:31:02.199 --> 01:31:04.560 it have made any difference for him to actually wear 1547 01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:08.119 the costume for five minutes of a TV episode. It 1548 01:31:08.159 --> 01:31:11.399 will never make sense to me. I'm sorry, but everyone 1549 01:31:11.439 --> 01:31:13.079 who had to work around that problem, I have a 1550 01:31:13.119 --> 01:31:15.880 lot of respect for what they did. What I don't respect, however, 1551 01:31:16.640 --> 01:31:20.119 is the baffling decision to wipe Lex's memories. It didn't 1552 01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:22.560 make sense then, it doesn't make sense now. I guess 1553 01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:25.399 maybe they just wanted to clean up the status quo 1554 01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:29.560 and have it be your standard Superman comic book situation 1555 01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:31.840 where he doesn't know the clerk is Superman. I guess 1556 01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:33.880 that's what it was. Maybe it was a DC comic 1557 01:31:34.000 --> 01:31:35.760 thing that they were told they had to end the 1558 01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:38.840 series that way, and there was no wiggle room for 1559 01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:41.960 Lex to know. I think they could have. They could 1560 01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:45.039 have come up with a scenario or lexis, don't worry, Clark, 1561 01:31:45.079 --> 01:31:48.239 I won't reveal your secret yet, or something just end 1562 01:31:48.279 --> 01:31:50.239 the show on a cliff anger like that. That would 1563 01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:50.920 have been interesting. 1564 01:31:51.319 --> 01:31:52.520 But this is what we got. 1565 01:31:53.439 --> 01:31:55.640 Is it the finale? I would have I would have 1566 01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:59.840 liked to have seen kind of I think what we've 1567 01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:03.640 and subsequent years that the plans Alan Miles had where 1568 01:32:03.720 --> 01:32:06.279 it was going to be Clark Kent the journalist interviewing 1569 01:32:06.359 --> 01:32:09.359 lexlot at the president with kind of flashbacks to a 1570 01:32:09.439 --> 01:32:12.319 finale situation that would have been really, really cool, And 1571 01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:15.399 I kind of wish we'd gotten that but this does 1572 01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:18.439 a respectable, if messy job. It's a mixed bag, and 1573 01:32:18.640 --> 01:32:20.600 you know what, most of small vill is a mixed bag. 1574 01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:24.439 I think they leave the characters in a good place. 1575 01:32:24.600 --> 01:32:27.239 Lex Aside, they leave the characters in a pretty good place. 1576 01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:31.119 We see Lewis and Clark, you know, happily engaged at 1577 01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:33.960 the Daily Planet. We see Jimmy two point zero. We 1578 01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:38.840 hear Perry's voice. It's a recognizable Superman status quo. And 1579 01:32:39.399 --> 01:32:42.640 while it was clumsy getting there, you know it'll do. 1580 01:32:43.279 --> 01:32:45.079 And I think my favorite thing about the finale now 1581 01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:46.960 is because we have it and we can look back 1582 01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:48.600 at it. We can debate about whether it's good or not. 1583 01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:52.279 That's one thing. But for me watching Smallville growing up, 1584 01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:54.159 it was all about the destination. How is he going 1585 01:32:54.199 --> 01:32:56.680 to become Superman? How is that going to happen? When 1586 01:32:56.760 --> 01:32:58.640 is that going to happen? Why can't we get to 1587 01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:01.439 that point now? It's just constant frustration, And I think 1588 01:33:01.439 --> 01:33:02.920 that's why I left it for a number of years 1589 01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:05.520 and then came back to it when the endgame was 1590 01:33:05.560 --> 01:33:09.239 finally in sight. But now because we know how it ends, 1591 01:33:09.439 --> 01:33:12.279 it's way easier to go back and just truly enjoy 1592 01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:14.319 the journey, and there is a lot to enjoy the 1593 01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:17.039 in that ten years, you know, so I'm very grateful 1594 01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:19.039 to be able to do that now. And I want 1595 01:33:19.079 --> 01:33:22.079 to thank you again, Zach for doing such a great 1596 01:33:22.439 --> 01:33:24.760 rewatch show all these years, and you've set the standard 1597 01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:29.119 for other Superman rewatch podcasts, and I tip my fedora 1598 01:33:29.439 --> 01:33:29.720 to you. 1599 01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:30.800 God bless. 1600 01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:36.159 Hey there, Michael Bailey. Here of it all comes back 1601 01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:39.479 to Superman chining in with my thoughts on the Smallville 1602 01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:43.159 series finale, which I did watch the night it aired, 1603 01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:46.119 not as it aired, because I had to work that night. Normally, 1604 01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:48.760 this wouldn't be a problem because you've been back in 1605 01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:51.560 twenty eleven. We lived in a day and age that 1606 01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:55.000 you had DVRs hooked into your TV, usually through your 1607 01:33:55.039 --> 01:33:59.960 cable system. But ours wasn't working so much like a neanderthought. 1608 01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:04.159 I had to take out a VHS tape and actually 1609 01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:07.199 physically I had to set the VCR in anything. I 1610 01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:10.319 was rocking it like it was nineteen ninety two. And 1611 01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:14.319 when I got home, I watched it, and then my 1612 01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:18.920 feelings were I enjoyed this. I didn't understand certain things 1613 01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:21.560 because I hadn't been following the show since season five, 1614 01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:25.760 but I felt, in terms of seeing Clark finally become 1615 01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:31.680 Superman and take that next big step literally that it 1616 01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:37.319 worked really well. I especially liked the scene where he's 1617 01:34:37.399 --> 01:34:39.680 in the fortress and all the images of everything that's 1618 01:34:39.680 --> 01:34:41.920 happened to him or swirling around him with that great 1619 01:34:41.960 --> 01:34:45.720 piece of music, because I think for finales like this, 1620 01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:49.600 especially a show that runs ten years, I always love 1621 01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:52.479 those moments in the finales where you get to watch 1622 01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:56.439 like scenes from earlier that makes you feel like you've 1623 01:34:56.520 --> 01:35:00.439 really been on a journey. I appreciate it the fact 1624 01:35:00.439 --> 01:35:03.359 that they tried a shirt rip. I do not appreciate 1625 01:35:03.439 --> 01:35:05.479 the fact that, like you guys have banged on about 1626 01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:09.119 on numerous occasions, that it feels like they just took 1627 01:35:09.159 --> 01:35:12.960 out their CD to Superman the Movie and just played 1628 01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:16.640 the first track. All these years later, I still feel 1629 01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:17.720 like the finale works. 1630 01:35:18.439 --> 01:35:20.079 I enjoy it. 1631 01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:23.680 When I finally did watch all of season ten, I 1632 01:35:23.840 --> 01:35:27.800 felt like it was a good payoff to the plot 1633 01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:30.399 lines that have been running through that season. But more 1634 01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:34.000 than anything, what the finale did for me then and 1635 01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:39.600 now is just make me appreciate what position Smallville occupies 1636 01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:43.159 in the history of Superman. This is a version of 1637 01:35:43.199 --> 01:35:48.399 Superman that brought in a whole new generation of people. 1638 01:35:48.520 --> 01:35:51.119 He is the It is the Christopher Ye of Superman films. 1639 01:35:51.199 --> 01:35:53.520 It is the Dan Kin, Lewis and Clark's. It is 1640 01:35:53.640 --> 01:35:57.319 the Henry Cavill Superman, and hopefully the David corn Sweat Superman. 1641 01:35:57.760 --> 01:36:02.439 It is that moment that existed beyond just a single 1642 01:36:02.600 --> 01:36:09.960 thing and created a new status quo for a certain 1643 01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:13.560 number of people who had just discovered the character. Anyways, 1644 01:36:13.640 --> 01:36:17.279 congratulations on getting to the finale and I'm out. 1645 01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:23.600 This is Nicole from the Wall of Weird on YouTube. 1646 01:36:24.359 --> 01:36:26.600 Thank you Zach for having me back on to share 1647 01:36:26.680 --> 01:36:31.119 my thoughts on the Smallville finale. I Binge watched the 1648 01:36:31.359 --> 01:36:35.319 entire series in two weeks during the COVID shutdowns. It 1649 01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:38.960 was a perfect escape from the dystopian reality we were 1650 01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:44.079 all living through. Helped me regain a sense of normalcy, sanity. 1651 01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:47.600 The heart of the show is what drew me in 1652 01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:51.560 the most. As a mother, I deeply connected with the 1653 01:36:51.640 --> 01:36:55.399 Kent family. I also loved the Clark and Laana relationship 1654 01:36:55.600 --> 01:37:00.960 and later Clark and Lois. However, Clark and lexteynamic truly 1655 01:37:01.079 --> 01:37:04.520 hoped me. It gave the show maturity beyond a typical 1656 01:37:04.600 --> 01:37:09.239 teen drama in the early seasons. Season nine remains my favorite, 1657 01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:14.000 but the series finale is my top episode. The more 1658 01:37:14.079 --> 01:37:17.439 I rewatch it, the more I love it. The Clark 1659 01:37:17.520 --> 01:37:20.600 and Lowe's moments, the Clark and Jonathan scenes, and the 1660 01:37:20.760 --> 01:37:26.600 Clark and Lex confrontation were perfect. The finale tied up 1661 01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:31.800 the storylines beautifully, delivering a classic good versus evil story 1662 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:37.079 with compelling theological undertones, and ended perfectly with Clark's soaring 1663 01:37:37.159 --> 01:37:41.159 into the skies in the suit. Despite my love for 1664 01:37:41.279 --> 01:37:46.720 the finale has a few blows. My biggest disappointment was 1665 01:37:46.800 --> 01:37:50.720 the scene where Clark pushes the planet away. It felt 1666 01:37:51.079 --> 01:37:56.640 underwhelming in both execution and drama, almost too easy. The 1667 01:37:56.760 --> 01:38:00.520 action sequence seemed low budget, especially since didn't get a 1668 01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:03.199 close up with Clark in the suit just a cgi 1669 01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:07.600 Avatar was also disappointed that the ten years later flash 1670 01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:11.760 forward show Clark and Lowis still not married. A town 1671 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:16.279 hall wedding doesn't take that long. Come on, Choosing a 1672 01:38:16.359 --> 01:38:20.720 favorite scene is really tough, but I picked the Clark 1673 01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:24.039 and Lowis wedding scene for the win. It's been an 1674 01:38:24.079 --> 01:38:28.039 incredible journey and I'll always hold on to Smallville. Get 1675 01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:28.640 you all later. 1676 01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:35.119 Hey, Zach, Hey the always Malville crew. 1677 01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:40.640 This is JJ from the Spider Man Book Club and 1678 01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:46.680 four comic junkies here to talk about the Smallville series finale. 1679 01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:51.520 You know, I'll be perfectly honest with you. I freaking 1680 01:38:51.640 --> 01:38:55.039 loved it when it first came out. I was just 1681 01:38:55.199 --> 01:39:00.399 over the moon. I don't know, and even to day, 1682 01:39:00.520 --> 01:39:03.399 you know, what is it now, fourteen years later? 1683 01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:06.119 Jeez? I still love it. 1684 01:39:06.560 --> 01:39:06.720 You know. 1685 01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:11.159 It's it's cheesy as heck, and you know, we don't 1686 01:39:11.159 --> 01:39:13.159 get to see Tom in the suit, and that's a bummer. 1687 01:39:13.279 --> 01:39:21.000 But I honestly think that the positives, the the the 1688 01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:23.279 always hold onto small little bit, you. 1689 01:39:23.319 --> 01:39:29.199 Know, ironically, uh lex coming back, the flash forward scene, 1690 01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:33.920 you know, all all that stuff. It just it makes 1691 01:39:34.039 --> 01:39:38.199 up for kind of some of the not so great stuff. 1692 01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:39.880 But in all honesty, I don't want to focus on that. 1693 01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:40.199 You know. 1694 01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:46.119 I love where the where the story went and and 1695 01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:48.640 kind of how it tied together a little bit, you know, 1696 01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:52.199 with you know, these are my trials, and then you 1697 01:39:52.239 --> 01:39:54.520 know when he finally flies at the end, you know, 1698 01:39:54.600 --> 01:39:55.960 when he fights dark Side. 1699 01:39:57.319 --> 01:39:59.840 You know, it just it did it for me. You know, 1700 01:40:00.239 --> 01:40:04.399 and I think that that feeling of like wow, this 1701 01:40:04.600 --> 01:40:05.239 is great. 1702 01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:08.680 That I had all those years ago just just never 1703 01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:11.399 really went away, you know, like the show. 1704 01:40:11.640 --> 01:40:13.680 It may have disappointed me from time to time, but 1705 01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:15.680 I never gave up on it. 1706 01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:19.840 You know, always hold on too, Smallville, right, guys, you know, 1707 01:40:19.960 --> 01:40:23.640 thanks again, this has been an amazing journey and wow, 1708 01:40:23.920 --> 01:40:25.119 this it's the end. 1709 01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:27.880 Now it's crazy. Look forward to see what you all 1710 01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:28.319 do next. 1711 01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:32.960 Hello, this is Luke deckerd from Mean Streets the Film 1712 01:40:33.000 --> 01:40:33.880 Noir Podcast. 1713 01:40:34.359 --> 01:40:34.560 Zach. 1714 01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:36.439 Thank you so much for the opportunity to come on 1715 01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:40.279 and share some final thoughts about the Smallville finale and 1716 01:40:40.720 --> 01:40:46.199 be a part of this epic conclusion. Like so many others, 1717 01:40:46.319 --> 01:40:48.560 Smallville was a show that I grew up with. It 1718 01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:51.640 instantly resonated with me, not just because I lived in 1719 01:40:51.720 --> 01:40:56.239 a similarly small town, but because Clark's very human struggles 1720 01:40:56.319 --> 01:40:58.439 mirrored a lot of things that I went through as 1721 01:40:58.479 --> 01:41:00.560 a teenager. I think this was the first time that 1722 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:05.279 I felt a real connection with Superman as a character 1723 01:41:05.640 --> 01:41:08.079 other than just sort of enjoying the films and the 1724 01:41:08.119 --> 01:41:10.479 cartoons and stuff like that. This really was the first 1725 01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:13.399 time I felt like, Ah, I get this guy in 1726 01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:17.880 a way that I just hadn't before. You Know, though 1727 01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:20.760 my love of the show waned a little bit around 1728 01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:25.159 season eight, I still remained loyal to the show. You know, 1729 01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:28.680 I had left, I'd moved countries around season eight, and 1730 01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:32.520 so going back and continuing to watch Smallville felt like, 1731 01:41:32.640 --> 01:41:34.680 you know, holding onto a piece of home. I was 1732 01:41:35.039 --> 01:41:38.800 always holding on too Smallville in a way. But you know, 1733 01:41:39.039 --> 01:41:42.680 by the time you know, the show aired, I was 1734 01:41:42.720 --> 01:41:45.279 finished university, Clark was about to step into his role 1735 01:41:45.359 --> 01:41:47.439 as Superman, and I was about to go out into. 1736 01:41:47.279 --> 01:41:50.239 The real world. And I a sort of always felt 1737 01:41:50.399 --> 01:41:51.800 that I. 1738 01:41:51.960 --> 01:41:54.960 Shared a parallel journey with Clark, you know, or our 1739 01:41:55.079 --> 01:41:58.439 lives sort of, you know, we're going in that same 1740 01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:00.880 sort of you know, we were were dealing with it 1741 01:42:01.039 --> 01:42:03.199 with similar things along the way, where it was high 1742 01:42:03.199 --> 01:42:06.159 school stuff, while that was finishing up high school, not 1743 01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:08.359 knowing what she wanted to do, and then it was 1744 01:42:08.680 --> 01:42:10.479 going out into the real world. I just sort of 1745 01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:17.439 always felt connected to the show from that perspective. Now, 1746 01:42:17.800 --> 01:42:22.600 when it came time to watch the finale, to say 1747 01:42:22.760 --> 01:42:26.880 I was disappointed would be an understatement. Expectations were so 1748 01:42:27.319 --> 01:42:30.840 freaking high, you know, Michael was coming back, Clark was 1749 01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:33.640 finally going to be Superman, and the season had teased 1750 01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:38.800 that suit, that bloody, bloody suit, so hard, and I 1751 01:42:39.079 --> 01:42:45.119 was ready. I was ready to see Superman actualized. Instead, 1752 01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:48.920 we got a forty minute melodrama about whether Lows and 1753 01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:53.600 Clerk would get married or not. You know, they bring 1754 01:42:53.720 --> 01:42:58.319 back Lex to erase his entire memory and reset him, 1755 01:42:58.840 --> 01:43:02.640 and then we only a microscopic cgi Superman who pushes 1756 01:43:02.680 --> 01:43:08.199 a planet away, and that's somehow eradicates this big darkness. Okay, 1757 01:43:08.720 --> 01:43:12.680 oh yeah, and dark Side is a cloud of ravens 1758 01:43:12.880 --> 01:43:13.319 or something. 1759 01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:16.479 I don't know. It was just all a bit silly, uh. 1760 01:43:17.640 --> 01:43:20.439 I think the finale bit off far more than it 1761 01:43:20.520 --> 01:43:24.159 could chew, and it really could have benefited from some restraint. 1762 01:43:25.560 --> 01:43:29.159 But there were things I liked about the finale, one 1763 01:43:29.239 --> 01:43:33.399 of those being Clark's journey. You know, I think we 1764 01:43:33.600 --> 01:43:36.439 got to remember that Clark is only meant to be 1765 01:43:36.560 --> 01:43:39.159 twenty five in this finale. He's he's always been a 1766 01:43:39.239 --> 01:43:42.000 bit slow to learn and slow to come around, and 1767 01:43:43.279 --> 01:43:46.960 I think from from or from the audience perspective, sometimes 1768 01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:49.600 it was it was easy to forget that he he 1769 01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:52.840 was he really is a kid most of the time. 1770 01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:57.079 Uh and even in the finale, you know. 1771 01:43:57.239 --> 01:43:58.840 He he is still very young. 1772 01:43:58.920 --> 01:44:02.920 He's still very naive and immature and has growing up 1773 01:44:02.960 --> 01:44:05.600 that he needs to do. And the finale needed to 1774 01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:09.680 wrap up essentially ten years of Clark's apprehension about who 1775 01:44:09.800 --> 01:44:13.479 he is, wrap up his ten year long or lifelong 1776 01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:16.840 twenty five year long identity crisis, and I think for 1777 01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:21.760 the most part it landed that. I love Clark's eventual 1778 01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:25.319 realization that he needed to physically move on from Smallville, 1779 01:44:25.439 --> 01:44:27.560 something that as an audience member I was waiting for 1780 01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:32.399 since season four. But also his last lesson was, you know, 1781 01:44:32.479 --> 01:44:36.079 to understand that there is value in accepting his past 1782 01:44:36.159 --> 01:44:39.399 experiences that you know, you know, his time in Small Villain. 1783 01:44:39.479 --> 01:44:42.520 Embracing that very human part of his life is important 1784 01:44:42.600 --> 01:44:45.279 and you know, he should not be running away from it, 1785 01:44:45.319 --> 01:44:46.920 and he should not be ignoring it. You know that 1786 01:44:47.079 --> 01:44:49.319 that's a really important message. I think Martha makes very 1787 01:44:49.439 --> 01:44:51.560 clear in that very first opening scene. 1788 01:44:52.520 --> 01:44:52.600 And. 1789 01:44:54.439 --> 01:44:57.640 I think it's quite important that he finally becomes whole 1790 01:44:58.359 --> 01:45:03.279 when he finds his strength and balancing his human experience 1791 01:45:03.399 --> 01:45:06.199 is his human life with his Kryptonian side, you know, 1792 01:45:06.359 --> 01:45:09.680 Lana asks Clark in the pilot, what are you Clark 1793 01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:12.640 Man or Superman? And I think, well, for him to 1794 01:45:12.880 --> 01:45:18.880 become the Superman, he needs to be both man and 1795 01:45:19.079 --> 01:45:22.600 super And you know, while I don't think we needed 1796 01:45:22.800 --> 01:45:26.119 the long flashbacks of him just kind of floating in air, 1797 01:45:26.359 --> 01:45:28.800 you know, and you know, I think his acceptance of 1798 01:45:29.039 --> 01:45:31.760 who and what he is and what he can be 1799 01:45:34.079 --> 01:45:38.600 was a very satisfying conclusion to Clark's ultimate journey on 1800 01:45:38.720 --> 01:45:42.279 the show and the show's ultimate journey, and so I 1801 01:45:42.399 --> 01:45:47.399 really appreciate the finale for accomplishing that. I think it 1802 01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:52.560 landed Clark's ultimate ultimate journey in a way that you know, 1803 01:45:52.640 --> 01:45:56.199 I thought was satisfying. There are other little elements that 1804 01:45:56.279 --> 01:45:58.680 I enjoyed about the finale here and there. You know, 1805 01:45:58.760 --> 01:46:01.960 there's obviously a wonderful chemist between Clark and Lois, and 1806 01:46:02.359 --> 01:46:05.399 I'm always here for Tom and Erica's you know romance 1807 01:46:05.439 --> 01:46:05.840 on screen. 1808 01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:08.880 It's wonderful. And you know, hey, I. 1809 01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:11.880 Can't not mention the Lex and Clark final scene. I 1810 01:46:11.960 --> 01:46:14.840 thought that was fantastic. You know, that was the thing 1811 01:46:14.920 --> 01:46:17.640 I'd been desperately waiting for since season seven, and I 1812 01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:21.000 was I think that scene was absolute Golds. It was special, 1813 01:46:21.479 --> 01:46:24.279 truly special to witness the chemistry between Tom and Michael 1814 01:46:24.319 --> 01:46:28.159 one last time, and I you know, that one scene 1815 01:46:29.039 --> 01:46:33.600 between those two highlights the spark that I think was 1816 01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:36.359 missing from the you know, the rest of the show 1817 01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:42.840 post season seven. Now onto things I maybe didn't like 1818 01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:43.560 so much. 1819 01:46:43.439 --> 01:46:44.359 Short or bugged me. 1820 01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:47.600 I've tried to keep this as short as possible because 1821 01:46:47.640 --> 01:46:49.439 I you know, I could go through this with a 1822 01:46:49.479 --> 01:46:51.479 fine tooth comb, but I'm not going to do that. 1823 01:46:52.279 --> 01:46:54.600 A couple of things that I think bothered me the 1824 01:46:54.800 --> 01:46:59.920 most about the finale and maybe still sort of bugged 1825 01:46:59.920 --> 01:47:04.279 me today is one big thing is the donnerifying of 1826 01:47:04.439 --> 01:47:08.119 the finale. I think Chloe reading that small vill comic 1827 01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:12.560 at the beginning was just a bit stupid. It made 1828 01:47:12.640 --> 01:47:14.680 no sense for there to be a small Vial comic 1829 01:47:14.880 --> 01:47:17.159 unless the whole world knows that Clark is Superman. And 1830 01:47:17.199 --> 01:47:21.000 if they don't know, well, that comic book is going 1831 01:47:21.079 --> 01:47:25.399 to make it very very clear who Clark is and 1832 01:47:25.479 --> 01:47:28.359 who Superman is. You know, I know they were going 1833 01:47:28.439 --> 01:47:31.319 for a meta thing, but it just landed like a 1834 01:47:31.359 --> 01:47:34.840 wet far. It's clearly a reference to the comic book 1835 01:47:34.920 --> 01:47:38.279 scene at the beginning of Superman seventy eight and it 1836 01:47:38.439 --> 01:47:41.479 just really felt out of place. But I think kind 1837 01:47:41.479 --> 01:47:46.640 of continuing with the donnerification of the finale, the ending 1838 01:47:46.800 --> 01:47:49.399 leading up to the shirt rip, well, you know, the 1839 01:47:49.520 --> 01:47:52.359 shirt rip is a great ending scene for the show, 1840 01:47:52.439 --> 01:47:54.439 and it was you know, when I was a kid watching, 1841 01:47:54.520 --> 01:47:56.079 I thought, the way they're going to end this show 1842 01:47:56.159 --> 01:47:58.239 is the shirt rip. That's a perfect ending for this, 1843 01:47:58.439 --> 01:48:01.600 you know, and actually thinking we don't need to see 1844 01:48:01.680 --> 01:48:04.159 him in a full blown shirt Like I I was 1845 01:48:04.239 --> 01:48:06.880 fine with him having some sort of finale and then 1846 01:48:07.159 --> 01:48:09.680 that being the the final scene and just letting our 1847 01:48:09.720 --> 01:48:12.479 imagination run, you know, but I said, obviously we got 1848 01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:18.840 teased with CGI miniature microscopic CGI Superman. Anyway, the shirt 1849 01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:21.239 leading up to the shirt rip stuff, the whole Clark 1850 01:48:21.319 --> 01:48:23.680 and lowis Misslaye, there's a bomb, the YadA, YadA, YadA. 1851 01:48:25.079 --> 01:48:30.079 It really demonstrated the identity crisis that the show had 1852 01:48:30.560 --> 01:48:35.319 had been in for several years and was still facing 1853 01:48:35.479 --> 01:48:39.039 right up to its final moments. And I think the finale, 1854 01:48:39.199 --> 01:48:43.079 trying to marry the Donner film with Smallville, it just 1855 01:48:43.159 --> 01:48:46.199 felt unnecessary. Small vill didn't need to be turned into 1856 01:48:46.279 --> 01:48:50.840 a quasi Reeve esque prequel. It just needed to be 1857 01:48:51.000 --> 01:48:53.079 its own thing, and it was almost like the show 1858 01:48:53.319 --> 01:48:59.600 was afraid at the end of you know, concluding without 1859 01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:03.600 putting all of these DC characters in their traditional places, 1860 01:49:04.520 --> 01:49:09.000 despite it making zero sense given the show's history and 1861 01:49:09.079 --> 01:49:11.760 what the show had been doing. I mean, Lois Lane 1862 01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:13.600 had been there since his senior year of high school, 1863 01:49:13.680 --> 01:49:16.920 like you know, the playbook has been thrown out already, 1864 01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:18.920 So I don't know why they worked so hard to 1865 01:49:19.159 --> 01:49:23.800 do this sort of yeah, this this weird reset of 1866 01:49:23.960 --> 01:49:29.039 the of the pieces. In addition to that reset, the 1867 01:49:29.199 --> 01:49:35.359 other thing that I just found inexcusable was Lex mindwipe. 1868 01:49:35.920 --> 01:49:39.279 I have no doubt this will be a hot topic 1869 01:49:39.439 --> 01:49:42.720 in the finale discussion, but I just remember being absolutely 1870 01:49:42.840 --> 01:49:45.239 crushed that they brought Lex back only to wipe his 1871 01:49:45.359 --> 01:49:50.479 memory to eradicate everything that was important about him becoming 1872 01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:54.079 the Lex Luthor that we you know, love to hate. 1873 01:49:54.920 --> 01:50:00.319 I think the hard reset was egregious and frank leave 1874 01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:04.520 lazy on the show's part and on the writer's part, 1875 01:50:04.720 --> 01:50:07.239 And I don't know why they felt they needed to 1876 01:50:07.279 --> 01:50:08.680 do it. I don't know if there's some sort of 1877 01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:10.920 mandate somewhere if someone out there has that, you know, 1878 01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:14.520 I would love to know. But I absolutely hated it, 1879 01:50:14.840 --> 01:50:17.920 and you know, it bummed me out because we had 1880 01:50:17.960 --> 01:50:23.680 seen Lex go so far and you know, taking all 1881 01:50:23.720 --> 01:50:25.520 of those experiences away from him just. 1882 01:50:27.319 --> 01:50:28.000 It was. 1883 01:50:28.119 --> 01:50:30.920 It did a massive disservice to the show and the character. 1884 01:50:31.319 --> 01:50:34.239 And I liked the idea of Lex finally knowing the end, 1885 01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:39.359 but also knowing and both Clark and Lex knowing that 1886 01:50:40.079 --> 01:50:43.039 there's no way back to their friendships. It's done. They 1887 01:50:43.199 --> 01:50:47.520 are now enemies, and you know, I think that was 1888 01:50:48.359 --> 01:50:51.880 an interesting way to leave the characters and a missed opportunity. 1889 01:50:51.960 --> 01:50:54.840 But you know, whatever the show felt it needed to 1890 01:50:54.880 --> 01:50:57.239 do a very hard resets and that was just a 1891 01:50:57.399 --> 01:51:02.680 little bit, a little bit disappointing. My overall thoughts though 1892 01:51:02.880 --> 01:51:05.520 on the finale. You know, when I when I look 1893 01:51:05.680 --> 01:51:08.640 back on it now, I think I generally accept it 1894 01:51:08.760 --> 01:51:10.920 for what it is, you know, for what we got. Yes, 1895 01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:13.000 it is absolutely a bomber. We didn't see Tom in 1896 01:51:13.039 --> 01:51:18.760 the suit. I think the finale is quite flabby. You know, 1897 01:51:18.880 --> 01:51:21.439 that first forty minutes of the will they Won't They 1898 01:51:21.439 --> 01:51:24.800 stuff get married just felt superfluous. It's Clark and lowis 1899 01:51:24.800 --> 01:51:26.880 they're going to get married at some point. It didn't 1900 01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:28.560 need to be now, it didn't need to be the 1901 01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:31.199 focus of the finale. It just didn't need to be. 1902 01:51:32.760 --> 01:51:34.560 But at the same time, you know, it's not easy 1903 01:51:34.640 --> 01:51:38.920 sticking the landing. I think the show probably thought that 1904 01:51:39.039 --> 01:51:42.079 it needed some big bad for its ending, you know, 1905 01:51:42.239 --> 01:51:45.159 in the way it used dark Side, but in the 1906 01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:47.560 way that it was unable to use dark Side was 1907 01:51:47.600 --> 01:51:50.199 should have been the tell that they shouldn't go that way, 1908 01:51:50.920 --> 01:51:56.159 because really, you know, all Smallville really needed was something 1909 01:51:56.159 --> 01:51:58.279 as simple as Clark stopping a bomb or catching a 1910 01:51:58.319 --> 01:52:00.840 falling plane to reveal to the world that he is 1911 01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:07.520 Superman and you know, become that that beacon of hope. However, 1912 01:52:07.600 --> 01:52:10.800 for me, the most important part of the finale wasn't 1913 01:52:10.840 --> 01:52:13.720 whether Clark and Lois got married, or you know, whether 1914 01:52:13.800 --> 01:52:16.159 he defeated dark Side or any anything like that. But 1915 01:52:16.640 --> 01:52:19.560 you know, you know, it was really about getting Clark 1916 01:52:19.600 --> 01:52:22.239 to the point where he can fully become Superman and 1917 01:52:22.319 --> 01:52:25.560 of course bring Lex back after all her Oliver uh 1918 01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:29.800 murdered him. And I think the show achieved those you know, 1919 01:52:30.079 --> 01:52:33.560 last two points with with success, and of course had 1920 01:52:33.600 --> 01:52:36.159 Cannon tells me that Lex he just got his memories back, 1921 01:52:36.159 --> 01:52:39.159 which I think happens in the Smallville season eleven comics. 1922 01:52:39.239 --> 01:52:42.800 But you know, so for all my issues, you know, 1923 01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:46.479 I I do think the show landed Clark's journey and 1924 01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:51.479 and I appreciate it for that alone. You know, small 1925 01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:53.720 But will always be a hugely important to show to me, 1926 01:52:53.960 --> 01:52:59.000 and I appreciate, you know, I appreciate that the it's complicated, 1927 01:53:01.199 --> 01:53:03.479 you know, I appresue the complicated, you know, nature of 1928 01:53:03.600 --> 01:53:05.560 trying to end a show and trying to conclude this 1929 01:53:05.960 --> 01:53:08.960 epic Superman journey in a way that was satisfying. And 1930 01:53:09.199 --> 01:53:13.760 you know, who knows, I maybe had some corporate shenanigans 1931 01:53:13.800 --> 01:53:16.399 and inputs and you know, we all know how producers 1932 01:53:16.439 --> 01:53:19.760 can be. So yeah, anyway, Zach, thanks for having me 1933 01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:21.960 on one last time. This was great fun. 1934 01:53:25.600 --> 01:53:28.640 Hey everyone, this is Mary Kukowski from the Kowski Cast 1935 01:53:28.760 --> 01:53:31.279 and Rob has a podcast. And I can't believe we've 1936 01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:35.000 reached the end already. Series finales are almost impossible to 1937 01:53:35.119 --> 01:53:38.119 master perfectly. We've all seen some really bad ones over 1938 01:53:38.159 --> 01:53:41.239 the years, looking at you Game of Thrones, but where 1939 01:53:41.319 --> 01:53:43.760 Smallville is concerned, I think there's a lot to like. 1940 01:53:44.319 --> 01:53:45.920 Many of us would have loved the show to go 1941 01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:48.960 on for another several years, get rebooted, or even spin 1942 01:53:49.079 --> 01:53:52.279 off in some way, but what we did receive had 1943 01:53:52.319 --> 01:53:54.720 a good amount of closure and fan service to those 1944 01:53:54.760 --> 01:53:57.840 who had been watching since the beginning. I personally loved 1945 01:53:57.920 --> 01:54:00.119 all of the cameos from characters who'd been off the 1946 01:54:00.199 --> 01:54:02.479 show for a while. I know I definitely shed a 1947 01:54:02.560 --> 01:54:05.359 few tears seeing John Schneider back as Jonathan Kent one 1948 01:54:05.439 --> 01:54:08.920 last time. I'll admit Season ten isn't my favorite of 1949 01:54:09.039 --> 01:54:12.319 the show, but it does give that nostalgic feeling to 1950 01:54:12.680 --> 01:54:15.079 want to start at the beginning all over again, And 1951 01:54:15.239 --> 01:54:17.640 isn't that really the best a great TV show can 1952 01:54:17.720 --> 01:54:20.239 hope for. Thanks to Zach and everyone else who has 1953 01:54:20.279 --> 01:54:22.680 contributed to the podcast over the years for keeping the 1954 01:54:22.760 --> 01:54:23.479 fandom alive. 1955 01:54:25.600 --> 01:54:29.119 Hey, this is Eric Folk from Smallville Papers. I really 1956 01:54:29.199 --> 01:54:30.439 loved the show's early years. 1957 01:54:30.600 --> 01:54:30.720 Then. 1958 01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:32.720 It seemed to have some you know, decent highs and 1959 01:54:33.079 --> 01:54:36.399 major lows, especially you know things like the Laanna pregnancy, 1960 01:54:37.199 --> 01:54:39.520 but it had enough good moments sprinkled throughout to keep 1961 01:54:39.560 --> 01:54:42.239 me going. I was eagerly waiting for Tom to become 1962 01:54:42.319 --> 01:54:44.760 the Superman that I feel like we all wanted to see, 1963 01:54:46.000 --> 01:54:47.800 so watching the tenth season, I thought we were going 1964 01:54:47.880 --> 01:54:50.600 to get like a budget friendly Superman movie for the 1965 01:54:50.640 --> 01:54:53.960 final episode, since that seemed to be what it was 1966 01:54:54.000 --> 01:54:57.000 alluding to, and also since my friends and I had 1967 01:54:57.039 --> 01:54:59.560 worn Superman T shirts every week that the show was 1968 01:54:59.600 --> 01:55:02.079 on there the first four seasons, I thought it was 1969 01:55:02.119 --> 01:55:04.079 only fitting that we would wear it one more time 1970 01:55:04.159 --> 01:55:07.960 for the finale. I laugh now that I realized that 1971 01:55:08.039 --> 01:55:09.720 we wore as much as the suit as Tom did, 1972 01:55:10.079 --> 01:55:13.640 and still feel robbed about not really seeing him become Superman. 1973 01:55:14.399 --> 01:55:17.039 I remember thinking, and still do, come on, Man, could 1974 01:55:17.039 --> 01:55:20.119 you at least wear the suit? Bringing Lex back was 1975 01:55:20.119 --> 01:55:23.279 a must, so I'm really glad that he came back. 1976 01:55:23.359 --> 01:55:26.359 Seeing him back was fantastic. I thought that having him 1977 01:55:27.119 --> 01:55:30.720 back and him also knowing Clark's secret was an excellent 1978 01:55:30.800 --> 01:55:34.079 take on this version of Superman, but then they decided 1979 01:55:34.079 --> 01:55:36.119 to get rid of his memories, so I thought that 1980 01:55:36.199 --> 01:55:39.000 was pretty lame. I'm still a bit torn on the ending. 1981 01:55:39.399 --> 01:55:42.199 I love the cast, I love the show, but I 1982 01:55:42.319 --> 01:55:45.319 do think that this is something that was just almost good. 1983 01:55:46.840 --> 01:55:49.720 But yeah, thanks again for doing this podcast. 1984 01:55:50.319 --> 01:55:51.039 I love the show. 1985 01:55:51.760 --> 01:55:55.199 Thanks again, Hey, Zach Getts. 1986 01:55:55.239 --> 01:56:00.079 Forrest, congratulations on reaching the finale in your podcast. I 1987 01:56:00.159 --> 01:56:02.399 know I speak for a ton of your listeners when 1988 01:56:02.439 --> 01:56:04.960 I say how grateful we are that you've held the 1989 01:56:05.039 --> 01:56:09.359 Smallville torch, so to speak, and just kept the love 1990 01:56:09.560 --> 01:56:13.159 and the spark going for Smallville for so many years later. 1991 01:56:13.359 --> 01:56:15.920 So thank you, thank you, and thanks for letting me 1992 01:56:16.439 --> 01:56:18.520 share some thoughts on the finale. I'm going to tell you, 1993 01:56:18.680 --> 01:56:21.760 having not heard your full thoughts yet, I like it 1994 01:56:21.960 --> 01:56:24.920 a lot more than you do. I'm excited to hear 1995 01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:27.720 what you like, and, of course, since like the pilot, 1996 01:56:27.920 --> 01:56:30.439 to hear once again some of the things that don't 1997 01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:33.960 work for you. But here my rambled list of things. 1998 01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:38.079 I think the previously on is incredible, always good. As 1999 01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:40.439 you've mentioned how incredible those are. I think that's a 2000 01:56:40.479 --> 01:56:43.359 great previously on, maybe not the best one, but one 2001 01:56:43.399 --> 01:56:47.159 of the top ones. I imagine that you and the 2002 01:56:47.239 --> 01:56:50.600 folks talking about the finale are critiquing the comic book 2003 01:56:50.680 --> 01:56:52.800 of it all and how that could possibly be real 2004 01:56:53.039 --> 01:56:56.279 in a world of keeping Clark's identity. So my head 2005 01:56:56.319 --> 01:56:59.840 canon is that obviously Chloe, in all of her previously journalistics, 2006 01:57:00.039 --> 01:57:03.960 Gills just you know, made her son a comic, but 2007 01:57:04.039 --> 01:57:06.680 that is certainly not sold on the streets of Metropolis. 2008 01:57:08.279 --> 01:57:10.199 In general, I feel like it's such a good finale 2009 01:57:10.279 --> 01:57:12.520 in terms of the people that come back. I know 2010 01:57:12.640 --> 01:57:16.039 you have feelings about ghost Dad. I think it's not 2011 01:57:16.199 --> 01:57:18.760 so much that Jonathan's there. I think that Clark is 2012 01:57:18.880 --> 01:57:22.159 seeing his dad and having conversations, much like maybe anybody 2013 01:57:22.199 --> 01:57:23.319 would if somebody died. 2014 01:57:23.800 --> 01:57:25.239 So I go with it. 2015 01:57:25.520 --> 01:57:27.760 I totally hear you on it, and I like to 2016 01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:31.720 think that it's just Clark imagining many conversations with his dad. 2017 01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:33.600 I know that doesn't totally hold up, but that's my 2018 01:57:33.680 --> 01:57:37.520 head canon. But I think having Jonathan back, Martha back, 2019 01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:40.680 Lionel back, and not just Lionel, but like the evil 2020 01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:44.439 Lionel is obviously the one that we all came to 2021 01:57:44.600 --> 01:57:47.039 know out of the gate, so I think that is 2022 01:57:47.079 --> 01:57:52.119 actually really much preferred over the genuine, you know, reformed 2023 01:57:52.399 --> 01:57:54.520 Lionel of later seasons. 2024 01:57:54.520 --> 01:57:55.439 So I think that's a lot of fun. 2025 01:57:55.520 --> 01:57:58.359 So yeah, great, great sort of bookends with with our 2026 01:57:58.399 --> 01:58:01.199 beloved people coming back. I kind of wish that Lana 2027 01:58:01.359 --> 01:58:04.399 was in it, but I understand why she isn't It 2028 01:58:04.520 --> 01:58:06.760 makes sense in terms of moving on and fully focusing 2029 01:58:06.800 --> 01:58:09.520 on Lois, but I felt her absence just a little bit. 2030 01:58:11.840 --> 01:58:14.880 I think the moving on speech from Martha is a 2031 01:58:14.960 --> 01:58:18.479 little inconsistent and uncharacteristic of her. She seems kind of 2032 01:58:18.560 --> 01:58:22.680 angry when she's talking to Clark in the house, and 2033 01:58:22.760 --> 01:58:23.800 I don't ever really know. 2034 01:58:23.880 --> 01:58:25.439 What to do with that, but it feels odd. 2035 01:58:26.960 --> 01:58:29.720 I think the vows and the scene of not just 2036 01:58:29.800 --> 01:58:32.319 the wedding but Lois and Clark reading their different vows 2037 01:58:32.359 --> 01:58:36.560 to each other is immaculate. I mean, how could you 2038 01:58:36.640 --> 01:58:39.239 not be inspired to write your own vows from something 2039 01:58:39.359 --> 01:58:42.560 like that? But Lois reading them in the Daily Planet 2040 01:58:42.640 --> 01:58:48.199 when Chloe gives them to her, just that moment of 2041 01:58:48.279 --> 01:58:51.439 realization on Lois's face that Clark needs her to do 2042 01:58:51.560 --> 01:58:53.760 what he does instead of, you know what she felt 2043 01:58:53.840 --> 01:58:56.520 from the previous episode of her weighing him down. 2044 01:58:56.600 --> 01:58:59.119 I just think is incredible. And I do think that. 2045 01:58:59.199 --> 01:59:02.359 Chloe paid plays a pretty soft role in the finale, 2046 01:59:02.439 --> 01:59:06.119 which I think is a little difficult, but it also 2047 01:59:06.159 --> 01:59:08.319 again makes sense because we're really trying to focus on, 2048 01:59:08.840 --> 01:59:11.720 you know, Clark, Lois, and lex So I get it. 2049 01:59:12.880 --> 01:59:15.920 Let's talk about the inconsistency of the wedding guests I'm 2050 01:59:15.960 --> 01:59:20.199 sure you've already you all have already gone there, But yes, 2051 01:59:20.399 --> 01:59:22.680 I don't know to be more upset about the people 2052 01:59:22.680 --> 01:59:25.399 who aren't in the room or upset about the people 2053 01:59:25.399 --> 01:59:27.800 who are in the room who we've never seen. And 2054 01:59:28.279 --> 01:59:31.039 I'm sure you've covered already how many people in that 2055 01:59:31.159 --> 01:59:34.359 room have seen Clark Kent without glasses, So I'm not 2056 01:59:34.439 --> 01:59:37.479 gonna waste your time on that. I think the aisle 2057 01:59:38.359 --> 01:59:41.479 scene in the wedding is probably a top tier scene 2058 01:59:41.680 --> 01:59:45.119 of any wedding done on TV. The song and bringing 2059 01:59:45.159 --> 01:59:47.239 the song back from when Lois was reading the vows 2060 01:59:47.279 --> 01:59:49.119 before is great. Obviously, I've listened to that song a 2061 01:59:49.199 --> 01:59:53.560 thousand times since then. The fact that Clark walked with her, 2062 01:59:53.640 --> 01:59:55.279 I know, it's a little weird that her dad's around, 2063 01:59:55.319 --> 01:59:56.840 although I think we can all write that off that 2064 01:59:56.920 --> 02:00:00.039 he's busy with what's going on in the world. I 2065 02:00:00.079 --> 02:00:03.720 think Clark walking her down is just was a masterful decision. 2066 02:00:04.680 --> 02:00:05.640 Again, ghost Dad. 2067 02:00:05.720 --> 02:00:07.640 I just think Clark is imagining his dad there. 2068 02:00:07.680 --> 02:00:11.119 It does not bother me and Lois calling him Smallville 2069 02:00:12.640 --> 02:00:14.399 in the you know, walking down the aisle, I think 2070 02:00:14.479 --> 02:00:16.920 is a great final moment to hear that maybe she 2071 02:00:17.000 --> 02:00:19.600 does it later, but I think it's great. Even at 2072 02:00:19.840 --> 02:00:25.439 the wedding, she's still busting his chops. Last couple of things, 2073 02:00:25.760 --> 02:00:28.239 Jonathan and Martha in the loft at the end of 2074 02:00:28.520 --> 02:00:30.840 part one, I think is really great. I just like 2075 02:00:30.920 --> 02:00:32.760 the visuals of it, and they both look older, and 2076 02:00:32.840 --> 02:00:37.479 I just think it works. I think Lois on Air 2077 02:00:37.560 --> 02:00:40.399 Force one is just the right amount of like a 2078 02:00:40.520 --> 02:00:44.600 comic book bizarreness that we can suspend our disbelief and 2079 02:00:44.720 --> 02:00:46.520 believe that she would get there. It seems like a 2080 02:00:46.600 --> 02:00:49.399 very lowest thing. I think, while Clark is ascending to 2081 02:00:49.520 --> 02:00:52.960 being Superman, finally, it makes sense that Lois is also 2082 02:00:53.000 --> 02:00:57.119 ascending to be this known journalist. So it's goofy, but 2083 02:00:57.239 --> 02:00:59.880 I do think it works. And we all know that 2084 02:01:00.039 --> 02:01:04.399 this Lois especially would easily confront the president, so totally 2085 02:01:04.439 --> 02:01:07.880 with her on that. Last things, Clark and Lex, you 2086 02:01:07.960 --> 02:01:09.159 guys are probably covering it. 2087 02:01:10.039 --> 02:01:11.239 I think it's excellent. 2088 02:01:11.399 --> 02:01:14.560 You know, no notes, I know that Lex's bald you know, 2089 02:01:14.640 --> 02:01:18.560 Michael's baldcap is a little distracting, but for if it 2090 02:01:18.640 --> 02:01:21.920 meant we got him back, I'm sure nobody has any complaints. 2091 02:01:24.119 --> 02:01:24.840 Tess's death. 2092 02:01:25.079 --> 02:01:27.439 You know, I know You're not a season eleven comic 2093 02:01:27.479 --> 02:01:31.399 book canon believer, but I do think that I'm okay 2094 02:01:31.479 --> 02:01:33.640 with Test coming back, and I'm also okay with her 2095 02:01:34.560 --> 02:01:37.479 sacrifice there. I think she has an incredible one of 2096 02:01:37.520 --> 02:01:41.439 her final lines about how Lex is doing this to 2097 02:01:41.520 --> 02:01:45.279 her because he wants to prevent her from becoming like him, 2098 02:01:45.319 --> 02:01:49.960 and Tests responding Clark already did that. Brilliant, so good. 2099 02:01:50.720 --> 02:01:52.680 And then the last thing is I just think it 2100 02:01:52.800 --> 02:01:58.039 was a really smart move. The juxtaposition between Clark's flashbacks 2101 02:01:58.199 --> 02:02:01.960 through ten seasons and all of his lessons that he learned, 2102 02:02:02.239 --> 02:02:05.600 and then also getting Lex's seven seasons of memories wiped, 2103 02:02:05.680 --> 02:02:07.840 I just think was a brilliant move in terms of 2104 02:02:08.520 --> 02:02:10.520 honoring the fans who have been here all along to 2105 02:02:10.600 --> 02:02:13.439 see both of them come to where they are. And also, 2106 02:02:14.119 --> 02:02:18.479 you know, Clark's rising up and being you know, memories 2107 02:02:18.520 --> 02:02:21.119 that fuel him, and Lex's you know, telling a story 2108 02:02:21.439 --> 02:02:26.760 of downfall, even if he is forgetting. Yeah. So I'm 2109 02:02:26.760 --> 02:02:31.399 a huge finale fan. Emotions all across the board, fist pumping, crying, 2110 02:02:31.840 --> 02:02:35.319 everything in between, Super excited to hear what you all think. 2111 02:02:36.720 --> 02:02:39.319 Much love to you and Lance and everybody over there, 2112 02:02:39.439 --> 02:02:42.880 and congratulations, really really grateful for everything you've done and 2113 02:02:43.039 --> 02:02:44.279 looking forward to seeing what's next. 2114 02:02:47.159 --> 02:02:51.800 Hey, this is Leah from Minneapolis. Zach, Congratulations on finishing 2115 02:02:51.880 --> 02:02:56.039 the podcast. This is an insane achievement. You have done 2116 02:02:56.159 --> 02:02:59.680 such a service for the Smallville community. I think I 2117 02:02:59.760 --> 02:03:01.920 tell you this when I recorded my episode last year, 2118 02:03:02.359 --> 02:03:05.840 but none of my friends or family watched Smallville with 2119 02:03:05.960 --> 02:03:09.279 me growing up. So when I found the podcast, I 2120 02:03:09.560 --> 02:03:13.399 was delighted to listen to other people talk about a 2121 02:03:13.479 --> 02:03:16.760 show who loved it as much as I did. I 2122 02:03:16.840 --> 02:03:19.479 think at that point you were on season two or three, 2123 02:03:20.039 --> 02:03:22.720 and I just binged your entire catalog for a couple 2124 02:03:22.800 --> 02:03:27.439 weeks straight and have been caught up ever since. My 2125 02:03:27.680 --> 02:03:32.840 thoughts on the finale. First of all, I think for 2126 02:03:33.000 --> 02:03:35.640 all of the deserved critiques that we all have about 2127 02:03:35.680 --> 02:03:38.920 it as fans, which I'm sure you've thoroughly discussed on 2128 02:03:39.000 --> 02:03:42.439 the show, the finale does actually have one of my 2129 02:03:42.680 --> 02:03:47.399 top five favorite Smallville scenes ever, which is that Kent 2130 02:03:47.560 --> 02:03:51.079 family hug in the barn loft. I don't remember a 2131 02:03:51.159 --> 02:03:54.960 lot about watching the finale live except for that scene. 2132 02:03:55.560 --> 02:03:58.239 That scene in the barn, and I remember just suddenly 2133 02:03:58.359 --> 02:04:01.399 being a wreck catching up and just being a wreck, 2134 02:04:01.439 --> 02:04:05.880 a sobbing wreck, and the lighting and the score. It 2135 02:04:06.199 --> 02:04:09.560 was so classically Smallville in a way that the series 2136 02:04:09.680 --> 02:04:12.640 hadn't called back to in a long time, which makes 2137 02:04:12.680 --> 02:04:17.079 sense in those Metropolis years. And I think seeing Clark 2138 02:04:17.399 --> 02:04:19.600 being able to take comfort in his parents in that 2139 02:04:19.760 --> 02:04:23.960 moment could have felt contrived or obligatory by the series, 2140 02:04:24.039 --> 02:04:26.800 but it didn't at all, and it felt so well 2141 02:04:26.920 --> 02:04:29.520 earned by the series and the journey that we've been 2142 02:04:29.600 --> 02:04:31.880 on with Clark. It was just perfect ten out of ten, 2143 02:04:32.880 --> 02:04:36.239 and I will leave it at that. Thank you so 2144 02:04:36.479 --> 02:04:38.279 much for all the work you put into the pod 2145 02:04:38.439 --> 02:04:41.600 and for inviting me on and building this network of 2146 02:04:41.800 --> 02:04:42.439 fans on. 2147 02:04:42.640 --> 02:04:43.600 Behalf of all of us. 2148 02:04:43.720 --> 02:04:44.560 I'm so grateful. 2149 02:04:44.680 --> 02:04:47.159 I can't wait to see what you work on next. 2150 02:04:47.680 --> 02:04:50.039 And if anyone wants to interact with me out on 2151 02:04:50.119 --> 02:04:53.079 the internet, I'm on Blue Sky and x as ha 2152 02:04:53.399 --> 02:04:57.760 E l v V. Of course, I will always hold 2153 02:04:57.800 --> 02:04:58.520 on to Smallville. 2154 02:04:58.920 --> 02:04:59.279 Cheerious. 2155 02:05:00.319 --> 02:05:03.199 It's Craig mcgenzie from Nie Befour blog slash Nail before Pod, 2156 02:05:03.319 --> 02:05:05.439 I was on Always hold On at Smallville. For season 2157 02:05:05.600 --> 02:05:08.520 nine's upgrade, where we had the return of Metallo red 2158 02:05:08.600 --> 02:05:11.920 Crypt Tonight and all that good stuff. Congratulations on making 2159 02:05:12.000 --> 02:05:13.800 it to the end of the small Ville journey. That 2160 02:05:14.039 --> 02:05:16.520 is no main feat. You've recorded at least as many 2161 02:05:16.600 --> 02:05:19.239 episodes as Smallville had. So well done for that. Well 2162 02:05:19.279 --> 02:05:22.039 done for persevering right until the ends. He asked me 2163 02:05:22.119 --> 02:05:24.399 to reach out and give you some thoughts on the finale, 2164 02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:27.279 which is also called finale. My experience of viewing the 2165 02:05:27.319 --> 02:05:29.159 finale for the first time is I actually had a 2166 02:05:29.239 --> 02:05:31.439 viewing party where I had a few people over. We 2167 02:05:31.520 --> 02:05:34.600 had pizza, snacks and watched the episode. I enjoyed it 2168 02:05:34.720 --> 02:05:37.000 in the main There was a mixed reaction in the room, 2169 02:05:37.159 --> 02:05:39.159 but I had a good time. I'm not ignorant to 2170 02:05:39.199 --> 02:05:41.720 the flaws, of course, I think there are many, but 2171 02:05:41.840 --> 02:05:43.800 broadly I think it delivers on what it sets out 2172 02:05:43.840 --> 02:05:45.800 to do. I'll get the negative stuff out the way. 2173 02:05:45.960 --> 02:05:48.640 Things like bringing back Lex and setting up a credible 2174 02:05:48.680 --> 02:05:51.039 reason for him to know Clark's secret but never reveal 2175 02:05:51.079 --> 02:05:53.560 it only to erase his memory was a bad choice. 2176 02:05:53.800 --> 02:05:56.279 It was a waste of Michael Rosenbaum's return. Although it 2177 02:05:56.319 --> 02:05:58.039 was great to see him one last time, it's just 2178 02:05:58.119 --> 02:05:59.800 a shame that he didn't get to keep all of 2179 02:05:59.840 --> 02:06:03.279 his character development. In the end, we're poor tests never 2180 02:06:03.319 --> 02:06:05.840 sharing any screen time with the main cast that did 2181 02:06:05.880 --> 02:06:08.600 her dirty. I think she has a scene with Lex 2182 02:06:08.960 --> 02:06:11.000 she knows about the threat that's coming, but she never 2183 02:06:11.079 --> 02:06:13.439 actually gets to say goodbye to any of the cast, 2184 02:06:13.520 --> 02:06:16.159 and then she's somewhat unceremoniously killed off. That's a bit 2185 02:06:16.199 --> 02:06:16.600 of a shame. 2186 02:06:16.680 --> 02:06:17.159 The Big One. 2187 02:06:17.319 --> 02:06:19.119 We never see Clark in the suit, even though I 2188 02:06:19.159 --> 02:06:21.199 knew in my heart of hearts it had never happened. 2189 02:06:21.239 --> 02:06:23.800 Tom Welling was very vocal about never wanting to do that, 2190 02:06:23.960 --> 02:06:26.159 and I didn't expect that he would change his mind 2191 02:06:26.279 --> 02:06:29.560 for the finale. It's still disappointing considering we saw almost 2192 02:06:29.600 --> 02:06:33.119 every other DC superhero in a version of their costume 2193 02:06:33.279 --> 02:06:35.439 when they appeared. Not getting to see the Big Guy 2194 02:06:35.479 --> 02:06:39.319 himself in his iconic costume a missed opportunity. I think 2195 02:06:39.560 --> 02:06:41.840 also dark Side, he was never done well, but the 2196 02:06:41.960 --> 02:06:44.560 defeat was weak even by those standards. I do think 2197 02:06:44.600 --> 02:06:46.760 there wasn't much else they could do considering what they'd 2198 02:06:46.840 --> 02:06:49.560 set up for that version of the character, but still 2199 02:06:49.720 --> 02:06:51.840 it's weak. It's probably something that should never have been 2200 02:06:51.880 --> 02:06:54.960 attempted on something like Smallville. With its more limited resources. 2201 02:06:55.119 --> 02:06:57.199 Like I said, despite my misgivings, at a good time. 2202 02:06:57.560 --> 02:07:00.399 And here's some of my favorite moments. I love themtage 2203 02:07:00.479 --> 02:07:02.600 of all the good Clark had done over the years, 2204 02:07:02.680 --> 02:07:04.600 and let's face at a celebration of all the money 2205 02:07:04.600 --> 02:07:07.560 they spent over the years making some pretty awesome looking visuals. 2206 02:07:07.600 --> 02:07:09.760 I know the creator said that there was no real 2207 02:07:09.840 --> 02:07:13.800 precedent for realizing Superman's powers in this way, in a 2208 02:07:13.880 --> 02:07:16.640 modern way, so they set the standard. They were figuring 2209 02:07:16.640 --> 02:07:18.880 it all out and they did a fantastic job. But 2210 02:07:18.880 --> 02:07:21.640 it was great to see a montage of all of 2211 02:07:21.680 --> 02:07:24.359 that in the final episode. Another standout moment is Clark 2212 02:07:24.479 --> 02:07:27.680 finally flying. That actually got a round of applause in 2213 02:07:27.760 --> 02:07:30.479 the room at my viewing party. Great to finally see it. 2214 02:07:30.600 --> 02:07:33.439 Since it's the final episode, the no flight's rule is 2215 02:07:33.800 --> 02:07:36.079 spent a bit, even though the no tights rule states 2216 02:07:36.159 --> 02:07:38.439 firmly in place. And of course, how can we not 2217 02:07:38.600 --> 02:07:41.960 mention John Glover's magnificent beard. It was delightfully out of 2218 02:07:42.039 --> 02:07:45.039 control and it's just there for us all to see. 2219 02:07:45.199 --> 02:07:47.560 Other great moments Lois saying I'm an idiot when she 2220 02:07:47.640 --> 02:07:50.359 decides to go through with the wedding that was pitch perfect. 2221 02:07:50.520 --> 02:07:53.319 Jonathan's ghost was a great inclusion, gave the finale much 2222 02:07:53.479 --> 02:07:55.800 needed emotional theft. I think it was great to see 2223 02:07:55.840 --> 02:07:58.560 John Schneider one last time and in the final episode 2224 02:07:58.640 --> 02:08:01.399 also the final scene I'm perfectly to the music and 2225 02:08:01.560 --> 02:08:03.960 closed the show on a high ending on the shirt rep. 2226 02:08:04.039 --> 02:08:05.680 I'm pretty sure that would have been conceived as a 2227 02:08:05.720 --> 02:08:08.520 final shot of the show even before it aired, and 2228 02:08:08.600 --> 02:08:10.439 that gave me everything I wanted, and not ending with 2229 02:08:10.560 --> 02:08:13.840 the John Williams music, the shirt rip just fantastic, Just 2230 02:08:13.920 --> 02:08:15.880 a great way to close out the show. So overall 2231 02:08:15.960 --> 02:08:18.880 mixed emotions, but generally I'm satisfied and look fondly back 2232 02:08:18.920 --> 02:08:20.640 on it. In a way, it's the best possible finale 2233 02:08:20.680 --> 02:08:23.399 after a very uneven season of television. I grew up 2234 02:08:23.439 --> 02:08:25.399 with Smallville. I was in high school when it started, 2235 02:08:25.439 --> 02:08:27.359 and I was not in high school when it ended 2236 02:08:27.399 --> 02:08:29.760 ten years later. But I always loved the show and 2237 02:08:30.239 --> 02:08:32.520 stuck with it till the end and always enjoyed it 2238 02:08:32.600 --> 02:08:35.279 to some degree. Congratulations again on getting to the end. 2239 02:08:35.479 --> 02:08:36.439 What will you do next? 2240 02:08:36.800 --> 02:08:37.439 Thanks for having me. 2241 02:08:37.479 --> 02:08:40.079 On, Isaac. 2242 02:08:40.239 --> 02:08:44.159 This is Matthew Santiago, also known as Matteo just wanted 2243 02:08:44.199 --> 02:08:48.359 to chime in for my thoughts on the Smallville series finale. 2244 02:08:49.199 --> 02:08:51.720 So I remember the first time I saw this, I 2245 02:08:51.920 --> 02:08:55.680 was very much pretty young at the time. I was like, 2246 02:08:55.760 --> 02:08:59.840 I believe thirteen, I think, and I was young and impressionable. 2247 02:09:00.560 --> 02:09:04.720 I remember really loving it, specifically just the montage of 2248 02:09:05.880 --> 02:09:09.680 Clark saving all the people, him flying, finally, him finally 2249 02:09:09.720 --> 02:09:13.760 putting on the suit. The closed wedding was great, the 2250 02:09:14.720 --> 02:09:20.239 Lex reunion, and everything in between. I think that over time, though, 2251 02:09:20.920 --> 02:09:25.720 my thoughts on it have seriously changed. Overall, I think 2252 02:09:25.840 --> 02:09:30.079 that it's a solid series finale, but it's a bad 2253 02:09:30.159 --> 02:09:34.960 season finale. I think that this season had way too 2254 02:09:35.079 --> 02:09:37.680 much going on, as you've previous said in the past 2255 02:09:38.199 --> 02:09:39.560 in the pod, this past. 2256 02:09:39.399 --> 02:09:44.479 Year, and ultimately there's this season. 2257 02:09:44.680 --> 02:09:49.479 This series finale just feels like everything that they wanted 2258 02:09:49.520 --> 02:09:53.239 to do really could not meet the expectations that they 2259 02:09:53.359 --> 02:09:55.760 set out for themselves. And what's even strange to me 2260 02:09:55.880 --> 02:09:59.239 is that they spend half the finale on a will 2261 02:09:59.319 --> 02:10:02.960 they won't then of Clark and Lois, and it just 2262 02:10:03.199 --> 02:10:06.960 it doesn't make sense considering that we as super Superhman fans, 2263 02:10:07.119 --> 02:10:09.680 we all know they're gonna end up together. So the 2264 02:10:09.840 --> 02:10:14.159 idea that you spend half the finale on whether or 2265 02:10:14.159 --> 02:10:18.479 not they're going to get married, and not spending enough 2266 02:10:18.600 --> 02:10:22.079 time on the dark side storyline, it just really left 2267 02:10:22.159 --> 02:10:23.239 a lot to be desired. 2268 02:10:23.680 --> 02:10:25.680 I think that the highlights of the. 2269 02:10:25.720 --> 02:10:28.920 Episode are obviously with the Lex. 2270 02:10:29.000 --> 02:10:34.760 Return, we see the Kent's come back and ghost out aside, 2271 02:10:34.800 --> 02:10:36.720 I actually really like the scenes with the three of 2272 02:10:36.760 --> 02:10:40.680 them together, and I think the final scene with the 2273 02:10:41.319 --> 02:10:45.439 Daily Planet staff, Clark and Lois assuming their roles in 2274 02:10:46.039 --> 02:10:49.840 the Natural Superman Cannon, I think that it was a 2275 02:10:50.000 --> 02:10:52.520 really good sign up. I think that that scene is 2276 02:10:52.760 --> 02:10:57.039 that scene and the Clark and Lex scene, I think 2277 02:10:57.199 --> 02:11:01.880 are all timer scenes. I think that this series left 2278 02:11:01.960 --> 02:11:06.680 off exactly where it should, even though the episode that 2279 02:11:07.840 --> 02:11:12.520 led up to it was a much complicated a much 2280 02:11:12.560 --> 02:11:14.399 more complicated misstep. 2281 02:11:14.159 --> 02:11:14.880 If you ask me. 2282 02:11:15.600 --> 02:11:20.399 But overall, I think that this series is still going 2283 02:11:20.439 --> 02:11:24.640 to be remembered very fondly even though this episode these 2284 02:11:24.680 --> 02:11:28.960 episodes were not the highest ste praise. But one more 2285 02:11:29.039 --> 02:11:31.720 thing I want to say before I log out is 2286 02:11:31.840 --> 02:11:34.239 I want to say thanks to Zach and all the 2287 02:11:34.319 --> 02:11:37.079 work that he's done over the last many years. 2288 02:11:37.159 --> 02:11:38.520 I stopped counting a while back. 2289 02:11:38.600 --> 02:11:42.039 Honestly, I think that he's done a great job in 2290 02:11:42.640 --> 02:11:45.479 building a community that so many of us can chime 2291 02:11:45.600 --> 02:11:49.960 in talking about Superman and all of other superhero fandom. 2292 02:11:50.000 --> 02:11:53.079 Of course, it's kind of crazy because I remember sending 2293 02:11:53.159 --> 02:11:56.760 a mail back estimating that he'd be done by twenty 2294 02:11:56.840 --> 02:11:58.920 twenty three, and here we are in twenty twenty five. 2295 02:11:59.039 --> 02:12:03.600 But yeah, it's crazy things how things play out. But yeah, 2296 02:12:03.600 --> 02:12:05.520 I'm glad to have been a part of the journey, 2297 02:12:05.760 --> 02:12:08.359 and yeah, I will always be holding on to small Bill. 2298 02:12:10.000 --> 02:12:12.079 This is Mike Demante, author of Punk Rocket and Here 2299 02:12:12.079 --> 02:12:14.920 FoST Rangers in Fiction, Hey, Suburbian other titles, and also 2300 02:12:14.960 --> 02:12:18.119 a longtime friend of Zach and Lance. I've been a 2301 02:12:18.199 --> 02:12:20.960 guest on some of the sub shows before. I just 2302 02:12:21.119 --> 02:12:23.640 want to say, guys, congratulations on getting to the finale 2303 02:12:23.680 --> 02:12:26.279 and all y'all's great work you guys done through the years. 2304 02:12:26.960 --> 02:12:29.640 My vague childhood remembers the series finale is obviously that 2305 02:12:29.840 --> 02:12:31.960 iconic shot at the end, you know, he's on the 2306 02:12:32.039 --> 02:12:34.199 rooftop and he rips open a shirt and see the s. 2307 02:12:34.359 --> 02:12:37.520 But outside of that, that was really cool. How dark 2308 02:12:37.560 --> 02:12:40.840 side and this is kind of like this unseen force, 2309 02:12:41.000 --> 02:12:44.359 almost like this gin like negative energy. 2310 02:12:45.960 --> 02:12:48.479 Hello Zach and friends, this is Tom Elliott from the 2311 02:12:48.560 --> 02:12:51.960 Twilight Zone podcast with a few words about the small 2312 02:12:52.039 --> 02:12:55.760 Ville finale. Now, I'm probably the only person sends and 2313 02:12:55.840 --> 02:12:58.800 an eclip to the show that hasn't actually seen this before. 2314 02:12:59.640 --> 02:13:01.960 I was a small Villa watcher back in the day, 2315 02:13:02.520 --> 02:13:05.520 and I didn't stop watching because I wasn't enjoying the show. 2316 02:13:06.399 --> 02:13:10.159 But in the pre streaming days, it was appointment television 2317 02:13:10.239 --> 02:13:14.199 over here and easy to lose track of which unfortunately 2318 02:13:14.319 --> 02:13:17.600 I did so. I don't know what the general fan 2319 02:13:17.760 --> 02:13:21.239 reaction is to this finale, and I thought it would 2320 02:13:21.279 --> 02:13:25.720 be quite interesting to come to this cold, but unfortunately, 2321 02:13:26.000 --> 02:13:29.640 I think cold is probably the theme of my review here. 2322 02:13:30.880 --> 02:13:33.960 My first criticism is that I think there's so much 2323 02:13:34.079 --> 02:13:36.920 going on and so many things competing for our time, 2324 02:13:37.880 --> 02:13:40.680 that it was difficult to feel anything about any of this. 2325 02:13:41.880 --> 02:13:44.640 Characters that I know had so much heart and soul 2326 02:13:44.720 --> 02:13:48.359 in them in the past just felt like pieces being 2327 02:13:48.439 --> 02:13:52.520 moved around a chessboard, and it felt like they were 2328 02:13:52.640 --> 02:13:57.279 just doing what they needed to do to save us, 2329 02:13:57.359 --> 02:14:00.720 what they were trying to do in the finale, rather 2330 02:14:00.840 --> 02:14:06.359 than this being a good and natural conclusion for these characters. 2331 02:14:07.520 --> 02:14:09.439 And it's a bit of a weird comparison, but I 2332 02:14:09.560 --> 02:14:13.439 remember watching the finale of the sitcom Friends, and I 2333 02:14:13.560 --> 02:14:17.600 felt that I wasn't really watching the characters anymore. I 2334 02:14:17.760 --> 02:14:20.239 was watching the actors just going through a bunch of 2335 02:14:20.359 --> 02:14:25.199 scenarios that were needed for what they thought was necessary 2336 02:14:25.319 --> 02:14:30.039 for a finale, again, rather than if feeling like anything natural. 2337 02:14:31.199 --> 02:14:34.359 And unfortunately, nothing in this felt natural to me. You know. 2338 02:14:34.479 --> 02:14:37.000 All the stuff with Lois and Clark talking to each 2339 02:14:37.039 --> 02:14:40.600 other through the door just felt like a conversation with 2340 02:14:40.840 --> 02:14:46.079 no authenticity to it. Michael Rosenbaum coming back really felt 2341 02:14:46.199 --> 02:14:49.199 like nothing at all, And they tried to pull on 2342 02:14:49.279 --> 02:14:52.159 the heartstrings with the Jonathan Kent stuff, but I just 2343 02:14:52.359 --> 02:14:56.079 didn't really care about that much either. I think I 2344 02:14:56.119 --> 02:14:59.279 would rather have had a story that was smaller in 2345 02:14:59.439 --> 02:15:03.840 scope without all of the dark side stuff, because that 2346 02:15:04.000 --> 02:15:07.640 all felt very undercooked to me as well. I don't 2347 02:15:07.680 --> 02:15:10.640 know whether it had been leading up to that all season. 2348 02:15:11.279 --> 02:15:14.039 Maybe that's just me and I've missed all that, but 2349 02:15:14.199 --> 02:15:17.520 it all felt very insubstantial, and I would rather have 2350 02:15:17.720 --> 02:15:21.960 had more meaning to rosen Barn coming back, like more 2351 02:15:22.039 --> 02:15:25.880 of a showdown between them, and yeah, I know we 2352 02:15:26.039 --> 02:15:29.920 needed something big for Clark to kind of interact with 2353 02:15:30.800 --> 02:15:34.880 as Superman, I guess, but I don't know. It just 2354 02:15:35.000 --> 02:15:39.199 all felt very out of place, but also very undercooked. 2355 02:15:40.239 --> 02:15:41.960 And then there's the end, and you know, what do 2356 02:15:42.119 --> 02:15:44.520 you do with Clark and the Superseeds at the end. 2357 02:15:45.520 --> 02:15:47.760 I think there are pros and cons as to whether 2358 02:15:47.920 --> 02:15:51.039 to show them in it or not, and valid arguments 2359 02:15:51.119 --> 02:15:54.439 on both sides. But for me, you either don't show 2360 02:15:54.479 --> 02:15:56.840 them in it at all and just do the shaite 2361 02:15:56.920 --> 02:16:00.479 open at the end, or you go all in, because 2362 02:16:00.520 --> 02:16:02.199 if you're ever going to do it in this show, 2363 02:16:02.359 --> 02:16:04.640 now is the time to do it. After ten years. 2364 02:16:05.680 --> 02:16:08.359 I think my personal preference would have been to have 2365 02:16:08.760 --> 02:16:13.279 a final show down with him fully realized as Superman 2366 02:16:13.399 --> 02:16:16.800 in the suit. But what we get is this weird 2367 02:16:17.039 --> 02:16:20.600 kind of half ars in it where we see this 2368 02:16:21.119 --> 02:16:26.319 kind of special effect version or animated version or whatever 2369 02:16:26.479 --> 02:16:29.680 that was in the distance, and I just thought it 2370 02:16:29.840 --> 02:16:33.239 was the waste of all worlds do one thing or 2371 02:16:33.319 --> 02:16:35.879 the other, but just down half Arson in this way. 2372 02:16:36.639 --> 02:16:38.799 And I'm not sure Chloe reading the comic book of 2373 02:16:38.879 --> 02:16:41.920 all this to her kid makes any sense either. But 2374 02:16:42.559 --> 02:16:45.479 you know, that's the least of its problems. So you know, 2375 02:16:45.639 --> 02:16:47.440 there's a lot more I can say. But I've been 2376 02:16:47.520 --> 02:16:52.079 pretty negative about this. But what I'm not negative about 2377 02:16:52.559 --> 02:16:57.680 is you reaching this milestone. It's been great to kind 2378 02:16:57.719 --> 02:17:03.360 of see you become one of the foremost Superman commentators 2379 02:17:03.399 --> 02:17:07.159 and certainly Smallville commentators on the web. And you have 2380 02:17:07.280 --> 02:17:10.319 truly in that place, Zach. And I know you'll be 2381 02:17:10.399 --> 02:17:13.040 going forward and doing other stuff on this. This isn't 2382 02:17:13.040 --> 02:17:17.120 the end, but it is certainly a great achievement. And 2383 02:17:17.239 --> 02:17:20.000 you know what, maybe one day I'll go back and 2384 02:17:20.200 --> 02:17:24.280 watch Smallville all over again and listen along to the podcast. 2385 02:17:24.440 --> 02:17:29.200 It would be quite a good thing to do. So congratulations, Zach, 2386 02:17:29.559 --> 02:17:32.399 and I'm glad I'm one of the people who has 2387 02:17:32.520 --> 02:17:35.680 become your friend as you've been doing this. Take care, 2388 02:17:35.760 --> 02:17:36.840 I'll speak to you later. 2389 02:17:39.479 --> 02:17:43.639 And everyone at the always Hold On a Smallville podcast family. 2390 02:17:44.479 --> 02:17:48.440 This is be Ken Marion here, DC comics artist, and yeah, 2391 02:17:48.479 --> 02:17:52.840 I'm just chimming in on the Smallville finale. Yeah, I 2392 02:17:52.920 --> 02:17:56.079 remember watching this when I was right out of college. 2393 02:17:56.159 --> 02:17:58.040 So I was right out of college, went like the 2394 02:17:58.559 --> 02:18:01.639 all after graduated college and this show had been a 2395 02:18:01.719 --> 02:18:05.159 constant in my life from the from eighth grade. 2396 02:18:05.079 --> 02:18:06.280 All the way up through then. 2397 02:18:07.520 --> 02:18:10.200 So yeah, I remember watching it. I watched with my 2398 02:18:10.440 --> 02:18:14.000 dad every week, and we used to like when I was, 2399 02:18:14.159 --> 02:18:16.879 you know, older, when we weren't living in the same I. 2400 02:18:16.959 --> 02:18:17.479 Was saying more. 2401 02:18:17.600 --> 02:18:20.000 I would call him on the phone afterwards every time 2402 02:18:20.040 --> 02:18:22.399 an episode were there. And I think that's the thing 2403 02:18:22.399 --> 02:18:24.239 I missed the most about Small Villain in general, is 2404 02:18:24.280 --> 02:18:26.280 that kind of like thing that I do with my 2405 02:18:26.399 --> 02:18:28.840 dad and my mom and like just watch walks of show. 2406 02:18:29.200 --> 02:18:31.319 And it was a really good, good memories, good family 2407 02:18:31.399 --> 02:18:34.360 times and yeah, and every episode me and my dad 2408 02:18:34.399 --> 02:18:36.639 would have the discussion like when do you think he's 2409 02:18:36.639 --> 02:18:38.239 gonna put the costume on? When's he gonna put the 2410 02:18:38.280 --> 02:18:42.520 Superman suit on? So the last episode, while we didn't 2411 02:18:42.520 --> 02:18:44.479 get a ton of him in the suit, we actually 2412 02:18:44.600 --> 02:18:47.360 got more than I was anticipating. So we got into 2413 02:18:47.559 --> 02:18:50.319 the Superman shirt rip and I consider that a huge win. 2414 02:18:50.520 --> 02:18:53.920 So yeah, I remember, I really liked the episode, really 2415 02:18:54.000 --> 02:18:56.399 liked the finale. That was a really good wrap up 2416 02:18:56.479 --> 02:18:58.799 to the show, and it had me pumped for Superman 2417 02:18:58.879 --> 02:19:02.000 in general. And the show in the whole way was 2418 02:19:02.040 --> 02:19:05.200 like that for me. So yeah, a really fun show, 2419 02:19:05.440 --> 02:19:08.280 really good finale. I know some people wanted him the 2420 02:19:08.319 --> 02:19:10.399 suit more, but like, let's be realistic. I think we're 2421 02:19:10.920 --> 02:19:13.760 happy with what we got. And yeah, and Zach, thank 2422 02:19:13.799 --> 02:19:15.840 you so much for doing the show for so long. 2423 02:19:16.000 --> 02:19:19.040 It's been really cool to get to know you and 2424 02:19:19.319 --> 02:19:22.040 listening to the show and you know, and just hear 2425 02:19:22.200 --> 02:19:25.639 all these fun, entertaining thoughts on Smallville, this show that 2426 02:19:25.639 --> 02:19:28.040 I grew up with. So yeah, thanks again for having 2427 02:19:28.079 --> 02:19:30.040 me and I'll always hold on Smallville. 2428 02:19:31.440 --> 02:19:34.879 What's going on, everybody? This is David Kocher. I'm an 2429 02:19:34.920 --> 02:19:40.399 actor and I am a producer, prominently known for Superman Reborn, 2430 02:19:41.479 --> 02:19:44.719 a live action script reading performance of what would have 2431 02:19:44.840 --> 02:19:50.079 been Christopher Eve's fifth Superman movie. I just want to 2432 02:19:50.120 --> 02:19:54.280 give a special thanks to Zach Moore and always hold 2433 02:19:54.319 --> 02:19:58.639 on a Smallville. Zach, thank you so much for taking 2434 02:19:58.719 --> 02:20:03.040 a time to shine a light and raise awareness of 2435 02:20:03.239 --> 02:20:08.000 our production. It's because of people like you that our 2436 02:20:10.000 --> 02:20:14.600 production had a voice that could be heard, and I 2437 02:20:14.719 --> 02:20:17.559 really do appreciate that and I don't ever forget stuff 2438 02:20:17.639 --> 02:20:21.440 like that, So I'll always check in with you from 2439 02:20:21.479 --> 02:20:24.840 time to time. And I have no doubt that you're 2440 02:20:24.879 --> 02:20:29.680 going to move on to other successful ventures, and I 2441 02:20:30.040 --> 02:20:36.159 wish you nothing but the best and as always, always 2442 02:20:36.600 --> 02:20:37.760 hold on to Smallville. 2443 02:20:38.600 --> 02:20:38.719 Hi. 2444 02:20:39.040 --> 02:20:42.639 This is Russ Demino. I write the Many Faces columns 2445 02:20:42.680 --> 02:20:45.840 for krypton Site. Biggest issue I had with the finale 2446 02:20:45.959 --> 02:20:49.879 actually wasn't not getting to see Tom Welling in the costume. 2447 02:20:50.840 --> 02:20:55.479 It was that they erased LAX's memories, basically bringing Michael 2448 02:20:55.559 --> 02:20:59.959 Rosenmam back just to undo a decade of character develop 2449 02:21:00.200 --> 02:21:03.120 meant with the best Lex Luthor we'd ever had. I 2450 02:21:03.239 --> 02:21:07.079 know the argument can be made that, oh, Lex can't 2451 02:21:07.239 --> 02:21:09.639 know that Clark is Superman in this version. 2452 02:21:09.680 --> 02:21:12.840 I think he absolutely could. It was very much earned. 2453 02:21:14.200 --> 02:21:20.079 And also, think about it, if Lex saw Clark walking 2454 02:21:20.159 --> 02:21:24.200 around wearing glasses, in a suit and tie and acting 2455 02:21:24.280 --> 02:21:27.319 all clumsy, he would be like, dude, what the hell 2456 02:21:27.360 --> 02:21:31.840 are you doing? Lex would not care about secret identity 2457 02:21:31.920 --> 02:21:33.879 Clark Ken. He wouldn't give him the time of day. 2458 02:21:34.159 --> 02:21:37.520 He would care about Superman because the Clark he grew 2459 02:21:37.639 --> 02:21:41.840 up with was Superman, So I think the secret identity 2460 02:21:41.879 --> 02:21:48.479 would actually be completely irrelevant to this Lex Luther. But seriously, folks, 2461 02:21:49.479 --> 02:21:55.719 we got ten years of Superman stories, and yes, I 2462 02:21:55.840 --> 02:22:00.959 say Superman stories, because even without the tights or the flights, 2463 02:22:02.200 --> 02:22:09.879 Tom Welling absolutely embodied the qualities and characteristics of Superman 2464 02:22:10.319 --> 02:22:15.520 for ten years. And the fact that Michael Rosenbaum did 2465 02:22:15.600 --> 02:22:20.559 come back for the finale, John Schneider came back, a 2466 02:22:20.639 --> 02:22:25.479 nett O'tool came back, John Glover came back, Aaron Ashmore 2467 02:22:25.600 --> 02:22:30.840 came back. We got to see many familiar faces one 2468 02:22:30.879 --> 02:22:35.600 more time to help send off one of the greatest 2469 02:22:35.719 --> 02:22:41.879 runs that any superhero series ever had, And that is 2470 02:22:41.959 --> 02:22:44.639 something that I'll always hold on to. 2471 02:22:46.559 --> 02:22:49.319 There's Nike Mackenzie from Superman that I might a podcast. 2472 02:22:49.600 --> 02:22:55.000 I just want to congratulate Zach on complaining Smallville ten sasons. 2473 02:22:55.079 --> 02:22:58.719 My friend, I can't believe you finally mighte it. I 2474 02:22:59.040 --> 02:23:02.799 was just thinking about when first listen to your podcast 2475 02:23:02.920 --> 02:23:05.239 back in the back in the day. I can't believe 2476 02:23:05.239 --> 02:23:07.600 you can say it now. Back in the day, I 2477 02:23:07.639 --> 02:23:09.360 remember first listening to it. I think I was about 2478 02:23:09.360 --> 02:23:13.239 midway through season one, I might have been season two, 2479 02:23:13.399 --> 02:23:16.520 and you spoke about doing a mail bag episode, and 2480 02:23:17.319 --> 02:23:18.799 I thought, oh, this would be a good opportunity to 2481 02:23:18.840 --> 02:23:22.959 reach out. You know, a fellow Superman fan, and so 2482 02:23:23.120 --> 02:23:25.799 I did, and it was just so great to listen, 2483 02:23:26.239 --> 02:23:28.680 you know, listen to your read out everybody's email or 2484 02:23:29.479 --> 02:23:34.799 you know review, especially taking the time to you know, 2485 02:23:34.959 --> 02:23:38.319 do that, and you read out my letter or email 2486 02:23:38.360 --> 02:23:43.120 that I sent you, and yeah, it was just I 2487 02:23:43.159 --> 02:23:45.120 think that was our first interaction, so to speak, like 2488 02:23:45.159 --> 02:23:47.879 obviously you didn't know me other than just reading words 2489 02:23:47.920 --> 02:23:50.680 on a piece of paper. And then not long after that, 2490 02:23:51.799 --> 02:23:56.000 you started doing up a Patreon and you know, I 2491 02:23:56.280 --> 02:24:00.200 was really quick off the march to join and he 2492 02:24:00.319 --> 02:24:03.159 started going into a thirty three point one. I thought, okay, 2493 02:24:03.280 --> 02:24:06.920 this is this is interesting. And I know I wasn't 2494 02:24:06.959 --> 02:24:09.639 the first, even though I was so grateful and lucky 2495 02:24:09.680 --> 02:24:12.399 to be the first one that we actually you know recorded, 2496 02:24:12.879 --> 02:24:16.000 but you know, being on there for the first day 2497 02:24:16.079 --> 02:24:18.719 three point one episode with you. I think we did 2498 02:24:18.760 --> 02:24:21.200 three episodes together. It was great to finally meet you, 2499 02:24:23.159 --> 02:24:26.000 you know, doing the video recording. Yeah, it was just 2500 02:24:26.120 --> 02:24:28.040 a shame I wasn't able to do a lot more 2501 02:24:28.479 --> 02:24:30.840 episodes with you. Obviously with the time differences. Me being 2502 02:24:30.840 --> 02:24:33.760 in Australia made it very difficult. But I'm just grateful 2503 02:24:33.799 --> 02:24:36.840 for giving me the opportunity to join you on the podcast, 2504 02:24:37.040 --> 02:24:39.000 which made so much fun over the years listening to 2505 02:24:41.159 --> 02:24:44.520 and you know, just and also the yeah, the many 2506 02:24:44.639 --> 02:24:49.479 friends that I've actually gained over the years from not 2507 02:24:49.639 --> 02:24:52.159 just your podcast, but from other sick Men podcasts around 2508 02:24:52.239 --> 02:24:55.680 the place. And you know, I'm just so grateful and 2509 02:24:55.840 --> 02:24:59.280 thankful for what you've done and what do you continue 2510 02:24:59.319 --> 02:25:02.879 to do. Leading into the finale of Smallville, you know, 2511 02:25:03.040 --> 02:25:06.159 so many people have got so many different ideals on 2512 02:25:06.280 --> 02:25:10.639 this episode. Obviously we're all upset with regards to the 2513 02:25:11.600 --> 02:25:16.239 not really wearing the suit with Tom Welling, but I 2514 02:25:16.319 --> 02:25:19.360 think it was a feeling finale, Like you know, season 2515 02:25:19.479 --> 02:25:21.479 tens not everyone's cup of tea. It's not the best 2516 02:25:22.680 --> 02:25:27.280 season of Smallville, you know a lot. I'm sure a 2517 02:25:27.280 --> 02:25:28.959 lot of people have got their own different opinions, but 2518 02:25:30.280 --> 02:25:32.360 you know, I think it finished on a good note. 2519 02:25:32.879 --> 02:25:37.040 It finished with you know, some yeah, you know, some thought. 2520 02:25:37.799 --> 02:25:41.319 I've seen seeing Tom in the suit, even if it 2521 02:25:41.399 --> 02:25:43.520 is for a short time, even if it is cgi, 2522 02:25:43.760 --> 02:25:46.479 but we get to see it and on this journey 2523 02:25:46.879 --> 02:25:49.319 not just with Tom and the other characters throughout the shape, 2524 02:25:49.319 --> 02:25:52.760 but also with yourself, Zach and the many guests. You know, 2525 02:25:52.920 --> 02:25:56.840 Land's been the top there, you know, and so much more. 2526 02:25:56.959 --> 02:25:59.159 Like I said, you've gained so many friends over the 2527 02:25:59.319 --> 02:26:02.360 years that we've all listened to gone on to create 2528 02:26:02.440 --> 02:26:05.959 out the podcast, and it can be now to continue 2529 02:26:06.000 --> 02:26:10.920 this Superman legacy, which I'm so grateful for. So again, Zach, Congratulations, 2530 02:26:11.559 --> 02:26:15.079 I'm completing ten years of Smallville. I can't wait to 2531 02:26:15.079 --> 02:26:17.559 say what comes up next? For yourself and to all 2532 02:26:17.600 --> 02:26:20.159 those other Superman fans out there, let's all put our 2533 02:26:20.200 --> 02:26:24.559 hands together and congratulate Zach on ten years of Smallville. 2534 02:26:26.959 --> 02:26:29.680 All right, well done, buddy, take care and I wish 2535 02:26:29.719 --> 02:26:30.280 you all the best. 2536 02:26:30.719 --> 02:26:35.559 All right, bye, Hello, Zach, this is Lex Ledger from 2537 02:26:35.959 --> 02:26:40.200 thirty three point one Roundtable back in the day. Congratulations 2538 02:26:40.239 --> 02:26:42.719 on finally making it to the end of this nine 2539 02:26:42.799 --> 02:26:43.799 to ten year journey. 2540 02:26:44.239 --> 02:26:48.159 Fantastic. So thoughts about the final. 2541 02:26:49.040 --> 02:26:50.319 There are a lot of them. 2542 02:26:52.319 --> 02:26:55.440 At the time when I was going into it, of course, 2543 02:26:55.520 --> 02:26:58.959 super excited, just like everybody else, being like, We're finally 2544 02:26:59.000 --> 02:26:59.920 going to see him in the suit. 2545 02:27:00.040 --> 02:27:01.799 It's going to be like a little Superman movie. It's 2546 02:27:01.840 --> 02:27:02.559 been building to this. 2547 02:27:03.959 --> 02:27:07.280 I got halfway through the two parter, so the end 2548 02:27:07.319 --> 02:27:09.280 of the first episode and I was like, Okay, that 2549 02:27:09.920 --> 02:27:14.280 was a waste. Nothing happened, just the marriage back and forth, 2550 02:27:14.360 --> 02:27:21.600 completely forced. Very disappointed in that, and yeah, that was 2551 02:27:21.680 --> 02:27:23.760 not a good part. The second half I did quite 2552 02:27:23.959 --> 02:27:27.959 enjoy as it was building up to Superman, and I 2553 02:27:28.000 --> 02:27:30.040 didn't think we'd get a full episode of Superman, but 2554 02:27:30.079 --> 02:27:33.520 I figured the last five ten minutes we would. I 2555 02:27:33.639 --> 02:27:36.120 was still wrong with that. We had like maybe a 2556 02:27:36.239 --> 02:27:39.399 minute of him in a CG Superman suit. But over 2557 02:27:39.479 --> 02:27:46.879 the years I've softened a little bit on it because now, 2558 02:27:47.399 --> 02:27:51.399 like in the Zack Snyder movies, his cape is CG. 2559 02:27:51.799 --> 02:27:54.479 A lot better CG, mind you, but still CG. So 2560 02:27:54.600 --> 02:27:56.600 maybe Smallville was just a little bit ahead of its 2561 02:27:56.639 --> 02:28:00.920 time with the CG suit. At the end of the day, 2562 02:28:01.040 --> 02:28:05.399 it's still him in what would what would he look. 2563 02:28:05.360 --> 02:28:06.159 Like in that suit? 2564 02:28:07.440 --> 02:28:09.799 So I've kind of softened on that a little bit. 2565 02:28:10.719 --> 02:28:12.959 I still wish he wore the suit, of course, I 2566 02:28:13.000 --> 02:28:15.399 still wish we had more time with him in the suit, 2567 02:28:16.440 --> 02:28:18.920 but I've softened a little bit on it being in 2568 02:28:19.040 --> 02:28:23.920 actual suit. Dark Side was a complete, complete fail. They'd 2569 02:28:24.000 --> 02:28:26.319 stucked way too much into season ten, but they didn't 2570 02:28:26.479 --> 02:28:31.600 execute any of it that well, so that was an 2571 02:28:31.680 --> 02:28:36.799 unfortunate drop. Lois Lane was fantastic. I love her line 2572 02:28:36.879 --> 02:28:39.639 in the finale where she's talking to the President and 2573 02:28:40.399 --> 02:28:42.959 he's saying, this is not the time for your hero's 2574 02:28:43.040 --> 02:28:45.440 miss and then she says, Lane, and this is exactly 2575 02:28:45.520 --> 02:28:48.120 the time they will come. They will save us. That 2576 02:28:48.239 --> 02:28:53.719 is very Lowis Lane is fantastic. Overall, I can still 2577 02:28:54.799 --> 02:29:00.959 watch it. I don't think it's super satis as an ending, 2578 02:29:01.520 --> 02:29:03.639 but I'm not as disappointed as I once was. But 2579 02:29:03.719 --> 02:29:07.319 of course, over time you get used to it and 2580 02:29:07.440 --> 02:29:09.239 expect to know what's coming because you've seen it before, 2581 02:29:09.399 --> 02:29:12.840 so ups and downs with it. I think it should 2582 02:29:12.840 --> 02:29:13.600 have been better. 2583 02:29:13.440 --> 02:29:14.440 But it's not the worst. 2584 02:29:14.639 --> 02:29:17.680 And I do not count crisis at all in continuity 2585 02:29:17.760 --> 02:29:22.200 that completely did not happen. Finally, that mind wipe of 2586 02:29:22.319 --> 02:29:26.600 Lex Luthor is atrocious. That will never be forgiven or 2587 02:29:26.680 --> 02:29:32.719 forgotten by this les So that really could ruin the majority. 2588 02:29:32.760 --> 02:29:36.319 That ruins, like the entire series almost with me, But overall, 2589 02:29:36.399 --> 02:29:40.600 congratulations Again, I'm curious to hear your thoughts that you 2590 02:29:40.719 --> 02:29:42.920 haven't already spoiled over the ten years of talking about 2591 02:29:42.920 --> 02:29:46.959 the final But I'm curious to see everybody else's thoughts 2592 02:29:47.000 --> 02:29:50.559 and how things go and who agrees with me and 2593 02:29:50.639 --> 02:29:55.120 who doesn't. So congratulations again. Curious to see what you 2594 02:29:55.200 --> 02:29:55.639 do next. 2595 02:29:57.280 --> 02:29:58.159 Up up in a way. 2596 02:30:00.559 --> 02:30:04.319 Hi, This is Craig Burn from Krypton site. Zach asked 2597 02:30:04.360 --> 02:30:07.280 me to speak about my thoughts of the smavel the 2598 02:30:07.399 --> 02:30:10.959 series finale, and now that it's been almost fifteen years, 2599 02:30:11.040 --> 02:30:13.479 of course I view it differently than I did then. 2600 02:30:13.559 --> 02:30:19.479 At least. The funny thing about that finale is the 2601 02:30:19.639 --> 02:30:24.639 most emotional I got was not necessarily the ending, but 2602 02:30:24.879 --> 02:30:28.799 rather there was a pre episode montage that the CW 2603 02:30:29.120 --> 02:30:32.159 showed some press a couple days before the finale aired, 2604 02:30:33.040 --> 02:30:35.479 and it was what we got in the episode, but 2605 02:30:35.559 --> 02:30:38.760 it was like fifteen minutes long, and I'm just going 2606 02:30:38.840 --> 02:30:43.840 through the entire journey all over again, and that was 2607 02:30:43.920 --> 02:30:47.639 just so rewarding to see that we started one place 2608 02:30:48.399 --> 02:30:51.840 ended there. It was a long journey and I think 2609 02:30:51.879 --> 02:30:56.680 that was really cool. I'm gonna start with the elephant 2610 02:30:56.719 --> 02:30:58.879 in the room. No, I'm not going to complain about 2611 02:30:58.920 --> 02:31:02.840 Tom not wearing the costs him yet, but I just 2612 02:31:02.920 --> 02:31:05.479 want to know if all it took to stop Dark 2613 02:31:05.600 --> 02:31:09.719 Side was to inspire people, why did Oliver go all 2614 02:31:09.760 --> 02:31:12.840 the way out into space or whatever to try to 2615 02:31:12.879 --> 02:31:17.239 fix his mark of Oriyan or whatever it was? Also, 2616 02:31:17.319 --> 02:31:21.200 where were Pete and Lana at the wedding unless you 2617 02:31:21.280 --> 02:31:23.920 know they had a falling out or something. I mean, 2618 02:31:24.000 --> 02:31:27.959 even if Sam and Kristen weren't available, surely you could 2619 02:31:28.000 --> 02:31:30.399 have had the two people who looked like them in 2620 02:31:30.440 --> 02:31:33.040 the audience. I still don't know who all those people are. 2621 02:31:33.079 --> 02:31:35.639 And I also don't know why Clark failed to wear 2622 02:31:35.680 --> 02:31:39.799 his glasses at the wedding. Obviously, it was so great 2623 02:31:39.840 --> 02:31:43.479 to have Rosenbaum back. I was becoming convinced that it 2624 02:31:43.639 --> 02:31:46.600 was definitely not going to happen, and then you know, 2625 02:31:46.680 --> 02:31:49.559 about two months beforehand, as a Yellow revealed the good news, 2626 02:31:49.760 --> 02:31:52.680 and you know, his scenes with Clark are great. I 2627 02:31:53.000 --> 02:31:55.159 love that we got to see a scene between Lex 2628 02:31:55.200 --> 02:31:59.079 and Tests. Tests was probably one of my favorite parts 2629 02:31:59.159 --> 02:32:02.120 of the final scene, and they finally figured out what 2630 02:32:02.200 --> 02:32:06.680 to do with her character and she was great. You know, 2631 02:32:06.840 --> 02:32:11.879 I appreciate the cloest shippy stuff from this episode more 2632 02:32:11.920 --> 02:32:14.680 as an adult than I did at the time. At 2633 02:32:14.760 --> 02:32:17.440 the time, it seemed like it was just padded out 2634 02:32:17.520 --> 02:32:21.200 to get to that second hour, especially since they didn't 2635 02:32:21.280 --> 02:32:26.840 up getting married anyway, Smallville's dark side was really terrible, 2636 02:32:27.159 --> 02:32:31.399 like the giant cloud Galactus or something like that. And 2637 02:32:31.520 --> 02:32:33.399 also what they did to John Glover's hair in this 2638 02:32:33.520 --> 02:32:36.239 episode may have a served Batman and Robin is the 2639 02:32:36.280 --> 02:32:41.040 worst treatment he has gotten on a DC project. One 2640 02:32:41.079 --> 02:32:43.879 of my favorite scenes in the episode, though, despite involving 2641 02:32:43.959 --> 02:32:48.600 dark side, was the montage right before Clark could fly, which, again, 2642 02:32:48.719 --> 02:32:50.399 you know, it's kind of like that montage I said 2643 02:32:50.399 --> 02:32:53.959 in the beginning that I loved, just you know, it 2644 02:32:54.000 --> 02:32:56.840 took a while to get here. We're here and we're 2645 02:32:56.879 --> 02:33:02.319 moving to the future, and I think that's great. Jonathan 2646 02:33:02.680 --> 02:33:05.920 handing Clark the cape and saying always hold on to 2647 02:33:06.040 --> 02:33:09.479 Smallville may seem a bit silly, and I still don't 2648 02:33:09.600 --> 02:33:13.159 totally understand the ghost thing from season ten, but you know, 2649 02:33:13.280 --> 02:33:15.840 it would be kind of fitting if Jorrel made Clark 2650 02:33:15.920 --> 02:33:18.639 feel as though that Jonathan was the one giving him 2651 02:33:18.680 --> 02:33:21.600 the suit and it was a heartfelt moment, So I'm 2652 02:33:21.639 --> 02:33:25.079 gonna give that one a pass. I do remember when 2653 02:33:25.120 --> 02:33:28.360 I was watching when Lois was on Air Force one 2654 02:33:29.239 --> 02:33:33.479 and she turns around to interview someone I did half 2655 02:33:33.600 --> 02:33:38.760 expect to see full frontal Superman. I know, you know, 2656 02:33:38.879 --> 02:33:41.079 I'm sure I was told beforehand that no, we're not 2657 02:33:41.200 --> 02:33:43.559 getting it, but I just kind of held out hope. 2658 02:33:43.600 --> 02:33:45.040 I was like, oh, we're gonna see her talk to 2659 02:33:45.239 --> 02:33:51.520 an interview Superman. We didn't elas, but oh well. I 2660 02:33:52.079 --> 02:33:54.879 was very disappointed and annoyed for a while that we 2661 02:33:54.959 --> 02:33:56.840 didn't get Clark in the full costume at the end 2662 02:33:56.840 --> 02:34:00.399 of the series, especially without characters like Booster Gold hyped 2663 02:34:00.440 --> 02:34:03.879 up his arrival. I've softened on that now because hey, 2664 02:34:03.959 --> 02:34:06.200 that's not the journey that we were invited to go on. 2665 02:34:07.200 --> 02:34:10.200 And b if the final shot of the series had 2666 02:34:10.280 --> 02:34:13.600 been Clark forming the Fortress way back in season four, 2667 02:34:14.239 --> 02:34:16.479 we would have accepted it. I mean, it's weird that, 2668 02:34:16.719 --> 02:34:19.239 you know, somebody like Booster Gold would be like, oh, 2669 02:34:19.479 --> 02:34:21.120 the day you revealed to the world, and then we 2670 02:34:21.200 --> 02:34:22.200 don't actually see it. 2671 02:34:23.200 --> 02:34:23.879 But whatever. 2672 02:34:24.639 --> 02:34:27.079 I know that some of my annoyance was aimed at 2673 02:34:27.159 --> 02:34:31.239 Tom at the time, but that feeling has softened as well. 2674 02:34:31.280 --> 02:34:34.000 I don't know if it's you know, spending time around 2675 02:34:34.079 --> 02:34:36.920 Tom at different events or hearing him talk and talk 2676 02:34:37.000 --> 02:34:40.000 Pill podcast, but I kind of get it, you know, 2677 02:34:40.159 --> 02:34:43.280 he did ten seasons in two hundred and eighteen episodes. 2678 02:34:44.040 --> 02:34:46.079 He should be the master of his own destiny of 2679 02:34:46.120 --> 02:34:49.200 what he does or doesn't want to do. Plus, now 2680 02:34:49.280 --> 02:34:51.760 we know, in this time period of revivals and reunions 2681 02:34:51.799 --> 02:34:53.639 and stuff, that there's still time to get him in 2682 02:34:53.680 --> 02:34:59.559 the tights, right Tom. I touched upon this before, but 2683 02:34:59.719 --> 02:35:02.440 I you wish we had seen Lana, even if it 2684 02:35:02.559 --> 02:35:05.360 was just her reacting to the arrival of Superman and 2685 02:35:05.840 --> 02:35:08.799 watching TV or something like Kristen could have filmed it 2686 02:35:08.840 --> 02:35:14.639 wherever she was. I do like the finale a lot 2687 02:35:14.719 --> 02:35:17.799 more than I'm older. It's still definitely not perfect, but 2688 02:35:17.879 --> 02:35:21.479 I've seen much worse. Hello Heroes are Born finale or 2689 02:35:21.600 --> 02:35:24.399 the finale of The Flash where Cecil was the hero 2690 02:35:24.559 --> 02:35:29.879 of the episode still doesn't make sense to me. After 2691 02:35:30.040 --> 02:35:33.000 the finale aired, I admit I had such a feeling 2692 02:35:33.079 --> 02:35:38.200 of relief. The day after May fourteenth was a friend's birthday, 2693 02:35:38.360 --> 02:35:42.159 and we went to Six Flags, and I just felt 2694 02:35:42.479 --> 02:35:45.399 like I had been able to finally take off in Fly, 2695 02:35:45.680 --> 02:35:46.440 kind of like Clark. 2696 02:35:46.520 --> 02:35:47.760 I guess you know. 2697 02:35:47.840 --> 02:35:50.360 It was like no more ship or wars any of 2698 02:35:50.479 --> 02:35:54.120 that kind of nonsense. And then a couple of years later, 2699 02:35:54.440 --> 02:35:56.120 you know I had to deal with things like Elicity, 2700 02:35:56.200 --> 02:36:02.159 which make them all seem tame. I do love that now, 2701 02:36:02.600 --> 02:36:05.559 the different fan groups of the show seemed to mingle 2702 02:36:05.639 --> 02:36:09.120 and appreciate the show for what it was. One thing 2703 02:36:09.159 --> 02:36:12.920 I noticed at the Smallville Convention small vill Convention last 2704 02:36:13.000 --> 02:36:16.760 year was when you ask people who they supported. There 2705 02:36:16.879 --> 02:36:19.280 was cheering, but there was no like stink eye to 2706 02:36:19.399 --> 02:36:21.879 each other or anything like that. It's like, we all 2707 02:36:22.000 --> 02:36:24.959 loved this show, and I think that's great. Personally, I 2708 02:36:25.040 --> 02:36:28.559 shipped Clark in his cape, so I was a little disappointed. 2709 02:36:30.479 --> 02:36:33.040 I would I have wanted to see in Alan Miles 2710 02:36:33.200 --> 02:36:36.879 version of the finale, absolutely, but you know, it is 2711 02:36:36.959 --> 02:36:40.639 what it is, and it's also funny. I never expected 2712 02:36:40.760 --> 02:36:43.360 to see these versions of the characters and live action again, 2713 02:36:44.159 --> 02:36:47.280 imagine my surprise. You know, eight years later when Tom 2714 02:36:47.520 --> 02:36:51.399 Erica showed up in Crisis, which is an ending that 2715 02:36:51.959 --> 02:36:54.000 I have no problem with. I know that's kind of 2716 02:36:54.079 --> 02:36:57.040 contentious and people are like, that's not the real Clark 2717 02:36:57.079 --> 02:37:02.799 and Lois, but in my heart it is. The final 2718 02:37:02.840 --> 02:37:06.079 episode of Smallville was the end of a fantastic journey, 2719 02:37:06.719 --> 02:37:08.719 and that's a journey that I'm glad to revisit at 2720 02:37:08.719 --> 02:37:12.120 any time. I'm also glad that new generations of yours 2721 02:37:12.159 --> 02:37:16.280 are catching the show for the first time. Smallville definitely 2722 02:37:16.440 --> 02:37:19.799 changed my life, and I'm grateful for it. Obviously, I 2723 02:37:19.840 --> 02:37:23.319 had some great opportunities, and I also made some great friends. 2724 02:37:24.079 --> 02:37:28.360 Hoping to see everyone at Slut's Smallville in September. I'm 2725 02:37:28.399 --> 02:37:30.760 going to end not with always Held in a Smallville, 2726 02:37:30.799 --> 02:37:32.719 but a quote from the final issue of Brian Q. 2727 02:37:32.879 --> 02:37:36.440 Miller's Batgirl comic book run, It's only the end if 2728 02:37:36.479 --> 02:37:38.920 you want it to be. As long as we keep 2729 02:37:38.959 --> 02:37:40.639 the show in our hearts and talk about it and 2730 02:37:40.760 --> 02:37:46.239 continue to enjoy it, the story will continue indefinitely. Thank you, 2731 02:37:46.440 --> 02:37:50.280 Zach for all your years doing this podcast. I love 2732 02:37:50.360 --> 02:37:52.440 that we're still talking about Smallville in New Year twenty 2733 02:37:52.520 --> 02:37:53.000 twenty five. 2734 02:38:04.719 --> 02:38:06.520 All right, we're back here in the far future of 2735 02:38:06.760 --> 02:38:09.440 twenty eighteen. Lex Luthor has just been an elected president, 2736 02:38:09.920 --> 02:38:14.360 and uh, I just want to say thank you again 2737 02:38:14.440 --> 02:38:16.760 to all the many previous guests hosts so sit in 2738 02:38:16.840 --> 02:38:19.520 their thoughts about the series finale. I hope you guys 2739 02:38:19.680 --> 02:38:21.799 enjoyed that. You know, I really enjoyed it too. I 2740 02:38:21.959 --> 02:38:24.159 know I'm pretty down on the series finale, but we're 2741 02:38:24.239 --> 02:38:26.040 listening to a lot of these takes is kind of 2742 02:38:26.079 --> 02:38:27.479 softened me on it, and I feel like I might 2743 02:38:27.520 --> 02:38:30.200 be being too harsh on the series finale, especially listening 2744 02:38:30.280 --> 02:38:33.319 back to our conversations in the finale Part one and 2745 02:38:33.360 --> 02:38:35.680 Finale Part two podcasts here, because a lot of things 2746 02:38:35.760 --> 02:38:38.079 really connected with people. Things I didn't like at all, 2747 02:38:38.200 --> 02:38:40.319 people love. I mean, I think there's a lot of 2748 02:38:40.399 --> 02:38:45.040 consensus about certain things like the lex Amesia and the 2749 02:38:45.120 --> 02:38:48.639 interpretation of Dark Side. But that's the beautiful thing here. 2750 02:38:49.079 --> 02:38:51.440 This is why I loved having rotating guest hosts on 2751 02:38:51.520 --> 02:38:54.000 the podcast, so everyone could get different points of view. 2752 02:38:54.000 --> 02:38:56.799 Because so many different people from so many backgrounds and 2753 02:38:56.879 --> 02:38:59.399 so many walks of life and so many different demographics 2754 02:38:59.639 --> 02:39:02.399 have this show and still love this show and experience 2755 02:39:02.479 --> 02:39:04.319 this show in their own way. We could just talk 2756 02:39:04.360 --> 02:39:07.239 about and compare our experiences and thoughts and theories and 2757 02:39:07.520 --> 02:39:09.479 what connected with us and what spoke to us and 2758 02:39:09.559 --> 02:39:12.040 what didn't and what worked and what didn't. It's really 2759 02:39:12.079 --> 02:39:15.239 wide range, and it's so interesting to hear these passion 2760 02:39:15.360 --> 02:39:17.719 takes about things that I completely disagree with on some 2761 02:39:18.120 --> 02:39:20.680 and completely agree with on others, And you know, I've 2762 02:39:20.799 --> 02:39:22.520 kind of changed my opinion about maybe a couple of 2763 02:39:22.559 --> 02:39:25.479 things here listening back. I especially liked some of the 2764 02:39:25.559 --> 02:39:30.120 theories about the darkness right, and how the people's belief 2765 02:39:30.319 --> 02:39:33.079 and the rejection of the darkness is what helped Superman 2766 02:39:33.200 --> 02:39:36.239 push away Apocalypse. I really love that theory. Shout out 2767 02:39:36.280 --> 02:39:39.040 to Eddie Bissell for that, and a lot of people 2768 02:39:39.120 --> 02:39:43.079 connected with the wedding stuff, which I you know, all 2769 02:39:43.120 --> 02:39:45.760 of us really on finale part one, we were pretty 2770 02:39:46.040 --> 02:39:49.600 we were pretty rough on the wedding, but you know, 2771 02:39:50.200 --> 02:39:52.120 a lot of people really really worked for them. So 2772 02:39:52.600 --> 02:39:54.760 I really am happy for those that the finale works 2773 02:39:54.840 --> 02:39:56.760 so well for, and I wish. 2774 02:39:56.639 --> 02:39:57.040 I was you. 2775 02:39:57.239 --> 02:39:59.920 But stay tuned, y'all, because this write and over yet 2776 02:40:00.360 --> 02:40:05.520 we have finale Part two coverage coming up next with me, 2777 02:40:06.239 --> 02:40:10.520 Lance Laster, Matt Truix, and Cavante Chillis, So stay tuned 2778 02:40:10.959 --> 02:40:36.399 and Always hold on to Smallville. 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