WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:02.319 This is the part that I never forget, and every 2 00:00:02.399 --> 00:00:05.000 time I talk about it, I get the chills because 3 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:07.719 it was so crazy. We have a good two to 4 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:10.359 three blocks before we get back to the parking lot, 5 00:00:10.519 --> 00:00:13.800 and we start hearing this. It's a call, it's a scream, 6 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:17.079 it's a holler. I don't know what we're hearing, but 7 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:21.039 it is unlike any vocal I've ever heard up until 8 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:24.079 this point that I'm like, what is that? And she 9 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:26.320 looks at me and we're like, what is that? And 10 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:28.559 we heard it all the way back to the parking lot. 11 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:30.399 The hair on the back of your neck is up, 12 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:32.640 and you're like, I don't know what this is. I 13 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:36.560 started doing research animal calls, and it's now, I don't know, 14 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:39.280 one two o'clock in the morning, and I'm just trying 15 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:42.280 to find something that sounds similar to what we heard, 16 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:43.719 and I thought, you know, for the heck of it, 17 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:47.119 I'm just gonna I'm just going to google bigfoot calls 18 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:48.119 and see what comes up. 19 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:25.120 This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt and joining 20 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:31.239 me is Tammy. Tammy is from Michigan. I believe, yep, yep, okay. 21 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:35.239 I wanted to make sure I knew that you originally had, 22 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:38.680 you know, your encounter in Michigan, but I didn't know 23 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:39.680 if you were still there or not. 24 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:40.599 Yeah. 25 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.079 Yeah, let's just go back to that to kind of 26 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:49.000 get started. Twenty sixteen in Michigan, I believe you were hiking. 27 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:53.799 Yes, yes, the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. So a lot 28 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.879 of times when people say Michigan, they equate that with 29 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:01.040 Lower Michigan because that seems to be, you know, Michigan 30 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.200 to most people. But I live in the what they 31 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:08.080 call the UPE Upper Michigan. So that's where I still live. 32 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:12.599 I don't live in the same location where I had 33 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.039 my initial experience, but I'm only an hour and a 34 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:19.080 half west from there where I currently reside. But yeah, 35 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:21.000 I'm in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. 36 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:25.520 I mean, from what I understand is it's pretty remote 37 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:28.039 and still wild, isn't it. I mean, is there a 38 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:29.520 lot of modernization up there? 39 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:37.240 Yeah? There is. Well, Sue Saint Marie, Michigan is there. 40 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:40.039 I think the second see I don't even know my 41 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:43.599 history here. The second largest city in the up. I 42 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:48.319 could be wrong. Marquette, Michigan is hour and a half 43 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:52.439 north of me, which is a pretty large. It's college town, 44 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:57.159 pretty large, diverse of a lot of I mean it's diverse. 45 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.439 It reminds me of it's like a Chicago to New 46 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:04.080 York rolled into thirty thousand people. Oh okay, and then 47 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:06.759 with a lot of hiking and biking. There's there's a 48 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:08.800 little bit of everything in Marquette, Michigan, and the same 49 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:13.680 with Sue Saint Marie. But for the most part, it 50 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:19.080 is pretty remote. There's the Porcupine Mountains, There's Copper Harbor. 51 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:23.400 There has been there's been quite a few reports made, 52 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:30.199 Bigfoot sightings up here, dog man, alien encounters. So I 53 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:34.159 mean there's there's there's been a lot of reports all 54 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:36.800 over the map on different things, but it is it 55 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:39.560 is pretty remote. I mean, the town that I'm living 56 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:41.560 in right now, I think only has four thousand people 57 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:43.840 in it. Oh, but a lot of woods. 58 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:48.520 Was Bigfoot something on your mind or anything that you 59 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:50.360 gave thought to before all this started? 60 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:58.719 No, Actually, before I had my first encounter back in 61 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:04.439 twenty sixteen, I was well, I kind of you know, 62 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:10.000 single mom, working three jobs, one of them as a 63 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:15.240 psychic medium, working in the wedding industry, working in the 64 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:18.199 financial realm, you know, a little bit everything, going back 65 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:23.079 to college, got my social work degree. Very comfortable in 66 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:27.319 the paranormal world, regardless of all the normal, so called 67 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:29.759 normal things I was doing, like social work and stuff 68 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:33.279 like that, but very very comfortable in the paranormal field, 69 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:39.839 doing readings, getting called to come to people's property and 70 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:42.920 assess what kind of spirits they might have on their 71 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:48.639 property or entities. Very comfortable with that because I've been 72 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:52.160 communicating with those that have passed since i was a child, 73 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:55.920 so doing that kind of stuff, I was very comfortable. 74 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:58.680 I was just kind of thinking, no, I'm gonna, you know, 75 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:00.160 be doing like three jobs the rest of them my 76 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:04.800 life and whatever. And then decided to do a night 77 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.879 hike in an area that I had been hiking for 78 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:12.600 probably a couple of years. But one of my friends, 79 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.959 who had been hiking in this area more than me 80 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:18.920 and knew the area really well, called me up and said, hey, 81 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:23.360 you want to go for a night hike. And I'm 82 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:25.360 pretty sure it was on Thanksgiving Day, And if I 83 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:29.319 look back at my BFROL report that was published, I 84 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:34.000 think it was like Thanksgiving Day, November twenty six, twenty sixteen. 85 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:37.639 If I believe, we went on a night hike to 86 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:43.959 this popular hiking trail nine Loops, about twenty minutes away 87 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:46.439 from where I was living at that time, and there 88 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:48.720 was no you know, what are we going to run into? 89 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:51.279 This is we're going to go on and we're going 90 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:52.600 to go on a night hike. I think there was 91 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:57.319 a full moon, and both of us really enjoyed being 92 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.480 on doors. So we get to this hiking trail, we 93 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:03.959 pull up into the parking lot and it's I want 94 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.959 to say, it had to be anywhere between seven and nine. 95 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:09.560 And like I said, if I look back at my report, 96 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:11.319 I'm going to know what time it was. But a 97 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:15.800 lot has happened in eight years. So we pull up 98 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:19.879 in the parking lot and get out of her vehicles. 99 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.600 Because I met her there, there was no one else. 100 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:24.480 This is and this is important, there was no one 101 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:26.879 else in the parking lot. Typically people do not hike 102 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:31.079 out there at night because it is extremely wooded. It's 103 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:35.000 a little spooky at night, and if you don't like 104 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:37.759 the night, or if you're afraid of the dark, it's 105 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:40.279 not a place you're going to go hike at night. 106 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:46.120 So we get out there and she actually made a 107 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:49.079 joke at the beginning of the trail, we started walking 108 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:52.639 about seeing Bigfoot, and I kind of just kind of 109 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:55.319 ignored that whole you know. I was just like, well, 110 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:58.759 maybe we'll see fairies, because at this point in the game, 111 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:02.639 I talked to people who had supposedly had faery interactions, 112 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:04.240 and I thought, well, maybe we'll see fairies. You know. 113 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:06.800 We were just kind of laughing as we started walking 114 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:09.839 down the trail, and then we get to an area 115 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:13.879 where the road, the trail itself goes across a bridge 116 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:18.079 and then it wies off and you can take different routes, 117 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:23.240 and we decided to take a right now. I grew up. 118 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:25.639 I got to back up a little bit here. I 119 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:31.160 grew up on eighty acres in a hunting family, so 120 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.000 I don't have a fear of the dark. I used 121 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:36.759 to night hike with my dad when he would hunt, 122 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:40.279 and so being out there at night didn't bother me. 123 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:47.120 And I also kind of know animal sounds. So as 124 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:52.079 we're walking along this trail, I hear something. We both 125 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:56.439 heard something walking, and I knew it was something that 126 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.439 was on two feet. I could just tell by the 127 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:01.720 way the way it was walking it was two feet. 128 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.199 It wasn't four. Growing up in a hunting family and 129 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.319 being out in the woods, and my friend was like, 130 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:08.000 I wonder what that is, and I'm like, oh, it's 131 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:09.759 probably just a deer. And I said that because I 132 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:11.759 didn't want her to freak out and run back to 133 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:14.040 the bark a lot. It was like I kind of 134 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:16.680 wanted to keep walking, you know, So I was like, well, 135 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:18.399 I think it's just a deer, but I knew in 136 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:21.519 the back of my mind it wasn't because I could 137 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:24.000 tell it was bipedal or on two feet. So then 138 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:28.279 we we keep walking on this one loop and we 139 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:32.559 both see this I guess you would call it eye shine. 140 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.919 We see this orb or eye shine up in It 141 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:40.600 has to be up in a tree because we are, 142 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:44.559 you know, five feet tall each of us, and we're 143 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:48.240 seeing this thing that is so bright off to our 144 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:51.080 left because the noise was on the right and then 145 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:56.639 this orb was on the left and it was just 146 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:02.120 this big, bright, white light. And she was making comments 147 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:05.399 like maybe it's somebody with a headlamp. I'm like, up 148 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.679 in a tree, you know, it's making it's maybe it's 149 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:09.679 a three wheeler light. I'm like, up in a tree, 150 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:12.919 I don't know what that is. But it's kind of 151 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.080 up in the tree, and it's high up in a tree, 152 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:18.600 and we went next to the ridge yet, so I 153 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:21.519 mean it had to be at least twelve to fifteen 154 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:24.440 feet up in a tree, and it was stationary, it 155 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:29.080 wasn't moving, and I always just kind of like, I 156 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:34.000 just kept walking. So we just kept walking and we 157 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:36.799 get around to an area where there's a fire pit 158 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.879 back on like the second loop, and we're just sitting there. 159 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:46.559 There's a bench and we were sitting there just talking. 160 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:48.840 It's dark, and you'd think by this point, you know, 161 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:50.480 I'm in my back of my mind, I'm going, Okay, 162 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:52.080 whatever it was back there was on two feet and 163 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:55.240 then we see this orb thing. You'd think one of 164 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:57.440 us would have been thinking we should just get out 165 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:59.279 of here, but no, we're gonna go sit on this 166 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.559 bench and a fire pit and we're just gonna hang 167 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:06.399 out for like probably a good hour, maybe a little longer. 168 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:10.120 And then we decide we're going to head back to 169 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:13.799 the parking lot. And I didn't know any different route 170 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:16.120 to get back because I didn't know the trail back 171 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:18.279 there as well as she did, so I was kind 172 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:19.960 of like, well, which way do you want to go, 173 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:23.000 and so I'm kind of following her back and we 174 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:25.120 kind of made a big loop. So the way we 175 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:28.200 came in, when we came back out by the bridge, 176 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:33.679 we came on the on the left, so we came around, 177 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.679 so we went right instead of left, but then we 178 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:37.399 came back on the left, so it's like we made 179 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:42.639 this big circle and this is this is where. This 180 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:44.720 is the part that I never forget and every time 181 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:47.240 I talk about it, I get the chills because it 182 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:51.720 was so crazy. We walk across the bridge and now 183 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:56.200 we have a good two to three blocks before we 184 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:59.200 get back to the parking lot, and we start hearing 185 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:02.799 this and I don't I still do this day. What 186 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:05.240 do you call it. It's a call, it's a scream, 187 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.639 it's a holler. I don't know what we're hearing, but 188 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:16.519 it is unlike any vocal I've ever heard up until 189 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.200 this point that I'm like, what is that? And she 190 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:22.600 looks at me and we're like, what what is that? 191 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.559 And it was like at first I was like, Okay, 192 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:28.919 there's an animal hurt in the woods and it's dying. 193 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:31.960 Or so we kind of hurried our pace a little 194 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:33.960 bit because we've had a little ways to go to 195 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.919 get back to our cars, and we heard it all 196 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:39.320 the way back to the parking lot, and we knew 197 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:42.000 that we were moving away from it because the closer 198 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:45.279 we got to the cars, the less we could hear it. 199 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:49.240 But it was still I don't know what you know, 200 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:50.639 I don't know what you call it. I mean, it 201 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:54.200 was the hair in the back of your neck is up, 202 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:56.879 and you're like, I don't know what this is, but 203 00:11:56.919 --> 00:12:00.639 it's something. So we get back to our cars and 204 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:06.159 I'm going through animals in my head, you know, like kyote, mountain, lion, fox, 205 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:10.159 dear cow. I can't come up with it. I'm like, 206 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:14.399 I don't know what this is or what what? And 207 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:17.600 so we get in our cars and I mean, it 208 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:19.279 was weird because we were both kind of scared, but 209 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:21.320 not really because it's almost like when you hear something 210 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:25.279 that's so freaking strange, you kind of freeze, but yet 211 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:27.919 I don't know. It's like you'd think at this point, 212 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:29.879 even earlier in the night, we would have like not 213 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:33.360 even stayed out there, but we did. And then so 214 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:35.879 we get in our cars and I said to her, 215 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:38.320 I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna do some research. Because 216 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:41.440 I cannot like, should we go back? Is that animal dying? 217 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:42.799 Should we try and help it? I mean there was 218 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.159 even a point where I was like, is something hurt? 219 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:51.080 So about twenty minutes for me to get home? Ten 220 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:53.120 fifty twenty, about twenty minutes for me to get home. 221 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:58.559 And then I started doing research animal calls. And it's now, 222 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:02.240 I don't know, one two o'clock morning, and I'm just 223 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:05.799 trying to find something that sounds similar to what we heard. 224 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:07.240 And I thought, you know, for the heck of it, 225 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:10.639 I'm just gonna I'm just going to google bigfoot calls 226 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:11.639 and see what comes. 227 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:14.159 Up, just for fun, just for fun. 228 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:18.840 Yep, just gonna google bigfoot calls on my laptop and 229 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:25.399 see what happens. And I was listening to various calls 230 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:28.639 that were uploaded on YouTube, and now this is a 231 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:30.720 whole new world for me. I'm like thinking to myself, 232 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:36.320 I'm literally sitting here looking for bigfoot calls. It's just 233 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:41.159 to me, it was like, okay, and it came across 234 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:47.360 a vocalization that was captured. I think, I think Rainier, Washington. 235 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:51.679 There's a call that it sounded almost exactly like. And 236 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:55.799 when I clicked on that and I heard that. I 237 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:58.159 immediately texted my friend and I said, I'm going to 238 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:00.000 send you this and I want you to listen to it. 239 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:01.240 I want you to tell me is this what we 240 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:02.799 heard or is this what we not heard? I want 241 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.000 to know because I'm thinking this is pretty damn close 242 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:08.159 to what we heard out there. So she listened to it, 243 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:10.399 she said, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's I'm like, are 244 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:13.159 you kidding me? Did we did? Did we did we 245 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:18.039 hear bigfoot? Like? What? Really? So it took me a 246 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:21.840 while to wrap my head around the fact that we 247 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:28.559 were in company of bigfoot sasquatch that night. 248 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.600 In a place that you had been to numerous times before. 249 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:36.600 M never yeah, never anything. 250 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:40.039 No, and you'd think that, And of course my mind 251 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:43.039 is going, you know, I'm a psychic medium, I know energies. 252 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:45.840 Why why do I not know this energy? Why am 253 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.440 I not? And I mean, obviously now I understand why 254 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:49.879 I didn't. I mean, like I said, this has been 255 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:54.039 an eight year journey. I understand for the most part 256 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:57.879 why I wasn't able to pick up on what kind 257 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:01.759 of energy that was. But back then, I was like, 258 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:05.960 why is bigfoot jumping into my life? I mean, sure, 259 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:13.480 is this really bigfoot? What? It became a very confusing situation. 260 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:17.559 So then I don't know how long it was After that, 261 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:22.679 because it had to be pretty close, I started seeking 262 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.320 out people I could talk to about it. Jenny was 263 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:29.960 pretty much remaining I don't know if anonymous is the world. 264 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:32.399 I was more, I need to talk to somebody. I 265 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:39.840 need to get confirmation that I'm not nuts. So I 266 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:44.279 want to say I was watching news, a news thing 267 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:47.919 on TV or probably on my phone or something. I 268 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:52.919 was watching like a news clip of a local bigfoot 269 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:57.440 researcher that runs a group up in the Upper Peninsula, 270 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:02.799 and he was doing a clip on the local news 271 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:06.000 about bigfoot calls and that he runs an organization. So 272 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:11.080 I reached out to him and we arranged a time 273 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:14.919 to get together so I could tell him the story, 274 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.879 and he decided that he was going to get it 275 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.480 published through the bfr old and so it ended up 276 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:25.480 getting published in the following year, in twenty seventeen. It 277 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:27.559 ended up getting published, so it's on the database. It's 278 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:30.840 in the database. So then I ended up joining the 279 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:37.080 Upper Peninsula Bigfoot Research Sasquatch organization. I ended up joining 280 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:38.879 that group for a while and going on a couple 281 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:43.879 of expeditions when I was obviously very new to the 282 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:47.960 whole Bigfoot world. And there's obviously there's a lot of fear. 283 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:51.480 There's also a lot of compassion and loving. I mean, 284 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:56.679 I've over the eight years I've witnessed in people who 285 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:59.919 are involved in this field everything from oh my god, 286 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:02.200 they are bad to oh my god, they are the 287 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:04.960 most loving creature on the planet. Yeah, And at this 288 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.440 point in my life, I'm over here and they are 289 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:09.960 the most loving being on the planet. And I feel 290 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:13.200 protected when I'm in the woods. So I started out 291 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.359 with I don't know what this is, and then some 292 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:19.519 of the gifting that went on early on freaked me out. 293 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:22.640 But now I'm over in the other camp. 294 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:25.759 Well, first off, I want to go back to the 295 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:31.359 call that you heard, Okay, Was it the same call 296 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:34.759 being repeated over and over? Was it one kind of 297 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:35.519 long call? 298 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:39.519 It was the same call being repeated over and over. 299 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:46.319 It would it would be like that screaming howly it 300 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:49.960 sounded like a dying cow. I don't know how else 301 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:54.400 to say it. And then it would start over. It 302 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:58.720 would be like this long call. But then it would 303 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:03.079 start over and it did that until we left. I mean, 304 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:05.279 I don't know if it was continuing after we left, 305 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:08.160 of course, but all the way to from where we 306 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:11.240 started hearing it to when we got to the parking lot. 307 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:14.279 When you first heard it, about how far away would 308 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:14.960 you think it was? 309 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.960 It was probably not too far from where we were 310 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:21.880 when we were at the fire pit. It just waited 311 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:25.279 because it felt from when we were at the bridge 312 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:29.599 point and we started hearing it, it sounded a good 313 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:33.319 I don't know, maybe a quarter of a mile away, No, no, 314 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.319 maybe half I'm not really good with lengths, and like 315 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:39.279 maybe it had to be closer to where the fire 316 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:43.119 pit was, and it took us. It took us about 317 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:46.279 ten minutes to get from the fire pit to the bridge. Okay, 318 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:49.680 so it was a ways back, I mean loud. 319 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:52.480 Do you think the one that you heard was the 320 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:55.519 same one that was walking around earlier? 321 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:02.039 No, okay, no, I think it was separate, two separate. 322 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:06.440 I think the one on the one walking next to 323 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:08.920 the river because of this trail on the right would 324 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:11.960 have been a ravine and a river. When we crossed 325 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.440 the bridge and we took a right, there'd be the left, 326 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:17.400 which would be wooded and on the right there would 327 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:19.680 be a little bit like a ravine and a river, 328 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:22.279 So the one on two feet was on the right, 329 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:25.279 and then when we made our trek back to that 330 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:30.559 fire pit, that would have been far. Yeah, I feel 331 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:34.759 like it was two separate and I look back now, 332 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:38.680 and I mean, I've had other experiences before we moved. 333 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:43.640 I had five years of experience in that because once 334 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:48.720 I had the initial experience and I started to feel 335 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:55.400 comfortable exploring the Sasquatch realm, I would spend lots of 336 00:19:55.440 --> 00:20:02.480 time out there alone, gathering my own evidence, collecting pictures, 337 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:07.960 doing gifting stuff to see what would happen. A couple 338 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:14.799 of really crazy gifting stories. And then at some point 339 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.759 before we moved to where we live now, my son 340 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:21.599 and I the telepathic communication stuff started. 341 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:26.440 So you were very well versed, as you said, in 342 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:32.160 the paranormal, very experienced whenever it came to those sort 343 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:38.559 of things. So you see this orb it was different 344 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:43.559 than anything paranormal you had experienced. What kind of feelings 345 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:45.200 did you get from it? Anything? 346 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.319 It was different in the sense that it was more solid, 347 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:53.960 and it was bright, and it was it had that 348 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:57.960 feeling of I don't know what This is versus if 349 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:01.440 I someone was to so back then, if someone was 350 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:04.160 to hand me a picture and say, tell me what 351 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:06.240 you think. Do you think these are orbs in this picture? 352 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:10.319 Or do you think this is dust? And I'd say 353 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:14.279 ninety nine percent of the time, I'm pretty good at 354 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:17.960 saying that's dust, that's just a bug. No, that is 355 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:22.359 an orb, that is some spiritual energy. So seeing this 356 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:29.160 bright shining orb or light in the up in the air, 357 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:33.759 stationary or in a tree, it had an unknown feeling 358 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:35.480 to it. I was like, I don't know what. 359 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:38.680 This is, all right, So let's fast forward. Now you're 360 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:44.359 feeling comfortable in the Sasquatch realm, you're going out there. 361 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:50.039 Did you immediately start gifting or how did that come about? 362 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:57.480 First expedition was just getting in the flow of being 363 00:21:57.519 --> 00:21:59.640 around other people who are in the Sasquatch field that 364 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:05.400 I'll do and all agree, well, right, And another reason 365 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:09.400 why I don't do expeditions anymore because of the I like, 366 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:12.319 it's a matter of you know, I need to be 367 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:14.759 I think, you know, it's like finding your tribe, right. 368 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:20.200 Being with people that have the same opinions kind of 369 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:24.799 helps the cause versus everybody having a different opinion. Second 370 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:28.119 expedition I went on. There was a group of us 371 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:31.000 walking down and this would be the second expedition that 372 00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:36.440 similar at a location that three hours west of where 373 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:40.880 I live right now, No East, a popular expedition area 374 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:48.759 in the Upper Peninsula. Second time there, a few of 375 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:52.839 us were walking down the road. It's a very remote campground, 376 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:56.200 it's rustic, and I noticed this rock on the ground 377 00:22:56.359 --> 00:22:58.480 and I was going to pass it up, and I 378 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:00.240 backed up and I looked at it and I said, oh, 379 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:02.279 there's some etching on this rock. And I'm making a 380 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:04.880 long story kind of shortened up because it was an 381 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:08.079 interesting weekend. And I picked it up and I was like, 382 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:13.119 there's etching on this rock, and it just I'm going 383 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:15.319 to keep it. And there was a few people in 384 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.039 the group that was like, yeah, I should probably keep that. 385 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:21.319 It was probably meant for you to keep. And so 386 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:25.880 later on that evening I passed it around. Everybody at 387 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:27.720 the campground was taking a look at the rock and 388 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:29.359 coming up with their opinions on what they thought the 389 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:33.240 etching was, because it did look like a dragonfly, and 390 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:35.640 that resonates with this whole journey I'm on. And then 391 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:39.079 there's Most people were like, it's a dragonfly. It looks 392 00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:41.079 like somebody etched a dragonfly on it. And of course 393 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:44.519 my curiosity curiosity was like, well, why would I get 394 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:46.720 a rock with an etching on it? Why did I 395 00:23:46.759 --> 00:23:49.480 see this? All these questions, you know, And then I thought, well, 396 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:51.880 when I get done with this expedition, I'm going to 397 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:54.960 touch base with the Native American couple that gave me 398 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:57.400 my Native American name. And I had been in touch 399 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:00.759 with them off and on once the big Foot stuff started, 400 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:05.440 because it seems that Native Americans have a really good 401 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:10.759