Speaker 1: This is the part that I never forget, and every
Speaker 1: time I talk about it, I get the chills because
Speaker 1: it was so crazy. We have a good two to
Speaker 1: three blocks before we get back to the parking lot,
Speaker 1: and we start hearing this. It's a call, it's a scream,
Speaker 1: it's a holler. I don't know what we're hearing, but
Speaker 1: it is unlike any vocal I've ever heard up until
Speaker 1: this point that I'm like, what is that? And she
Speaker 1: looks at me and we're like, what is that? And
Speaker 1: we heard it all the way back to the parking lot.
Speaker 1: The hair on the back of your neck is up,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't know what this is. I
Speaker 1: started doing research animal calls, and it's now, I don't know,
Speaker 1: one two o'clock in the morning, and I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to find something that sounds similar to what we heard,
Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, for the heck of it,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just going to google bigfoot calls
Speaker 1: and see what comes up.
Speaker 2: This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt and joining
Speaker 2: me is Tammy. Tammy is from Michigan. I believe, yep, yep, okay.
Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure I knew that you originally had,
Speaker 2: you know, your encounter in Michigan, but I didn't know
Speaker 2: if you were still there or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just go back to that to kind of
Speaker 2: get started. Twenty sixteen in Michigan, I believe you were hiking.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. So a lot
Speaker 1: of times when people say Michigan, they equate that with
Speaker 1: Lower Michigan because that seems to be, you know, Michigan
Speaker 1: to most people. But I live in the what they
Speaker 1: call the UPE Upper Michigan. So that's where I still live.
Speaker 1: I don't live in the same location where I had
Speaker 1: my initial experience, but I'm only an hour and a
Speaker 1: half west from there where I currently reside. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
Speaker 2: I mean, from what I understand is it's pretty remote
Speaker 2: and still wild, isn't it. I mean, is there a
Speaker 2: lot of modernization up there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? There is. Well, Sue Saint Marie, Michigan is there.
Speaker 1: I think the second see I don't even know my
Speaker 1: history here. The second largest city in the up. I
Speaker 1: could be wrong. Marquette, Michigan is hour and a half
Speaker 1: north of me, which is a pretty large. It's college town,
Speaker 1: pretty large, diverse of a lot of I mean it's diverse.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of it's like a Chicago to New
Speaker 1: York rolled into thirty thousand people. Oh okay, and then
Speaker 1: with a lot of hiking and biking. There's there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything in Marquette, Michigan, and the same
Speaker 1: with Sue Saint Marie. But for the most part, it
Speaker 1: is pretty remote. There's the Porcupine Mountains, There's Copper Harbor.
Speaker 1: There has been there's been quite a few reports made,
Speaker 1: Bigfoot sightings up here, dog man, alien encounters. So I
Speaker 1: mean there's there's there's been a lot of reports all
Speaker 1: over the map on different things, but it is it
Speaker 1: is pretty remote. I mean, the town that I'm living
Speaker 1: in right now, I think only has four thousand people
Speaker 1: in it. Oh, but a lot of woods.
Speaker 2: Was Bigfoot something on your mind or anything that you
Speaker 2: gave thought to before all this started?
Speaker 1: No, Actually, before I had my first encounter back in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, I was well, I kind of you know,
Speaker 1: single mom, working three jobs, one of them as a
Speaker 1: psychic medium, working in the wedding industry, working in the
Speaker 1: financial realm, you know, a little bit everything, going back
Speaker 1: to college, got my social work degree. Very comfortable in
Speaker 1: the paranormal world, regardless of all the normal, so called
Speaker 1: normal things I was doing, like social work and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, but very very comfortable in the paranormal field,
Speaker 1: doing readings, getting called to come to people's property and
Speaker 1: assess what kind of spirits they might have on their
Speaker 1: property or entities. Very comfortable with that because I've been
Speaker 1: communicating with those that have passed since i was a child,
Speaker 1: so doing that kind of stuff, I was very comfortable.
Speaker 1: I was just kind of thinking, no, I'm gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: be doing like three jobs the rest of them my
Speaker 1: life and whatever. And then decided to do a night
Speaker 1: hike in an area that I had been hiking for
Speaker 1: probably a couple of years. But one of my friends,
Speaker 1: who had been hiking in this area more than me
Speaker 1: and knew the area really well, called me up and said, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to go for a night hike. And I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it was on Thanksgiving Day, And if I
Speaker 1: look back at my BFROL report that was published, I
Speaker 1: think it was like Thanksgiving Day, November twenty six, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: If I believe, we went on a night hike to
Speaker 1: this popular hiking trail nine Loops, about twenty minutes away
Speaker 1: from where I was living at that time, and there
Speaker 1: was no you know, what are we going to run into?
Speaker 1: This is we're going to go on and we're going
Speaker 1: to go on a night hike. I think there was
Speaker 1: a full moon, and both of us really enjoyed being
Speaker 1: on doors. So we get to this hiking trail, we
Speaker 1: pull up into the parking lot and it's I want
Speaker 1: to say, it had to be anywhere between seven and nine.
Speaker 1: And like I said, if I look back at my report,
Speaker 1: I'm going to know what time it was. But a
Speaker 1: lot has happened in eight years. So we pull up
Speaker 1: in the parking lot and get out of her vehicles.
Speaker 1: Because I met her there, there was no one else.
Speaker 1: This is and this is important, there was no one
Speaker 1: else in the parking lot. Typically people do not hike
Speaker 1: out there at night because it is extremely wooded. It's
Speaker 1: a little spooky at night, and if you don't like
Speaker 1: the night, or if you're afraid of the dark, it's
Speaker 1: not a place you're going to go hike at night.
Speaker 1: So we get out there and she actually made a
Speaker 1: joke at the beginning of the trail, we started walking
Speaker 1: about seeing Bigfoot, and I kind of just kind of
Speaker 1: ignored that whole you know. I was just like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll see fairies, because at this point in the game,
Speaker 1: I talked to people who had supposedly had faery interactions,
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, maybe we'll see fairies. You know.
Speaker 1: We were just kind of laughing as we started walking
Speaker 1: down the trail, and then we get to an area
Speaker 1: where the road, the trail itself goes across a bridge
Speaker 1: and then it wies off and you can take different routes,
Speaker 1: and we decided to take a right now. I grew up.
Speaker 1: I got to back up a little bit here. I
Speaker 1: grew up on eighty acres in a hunting family, so
Speaker 1: I don't have a fear of the dark. I used
Speaker 1: to night hike with my dad when he would hunt,
Speaker 1: and so being out there at night didn't bother me.
Speaker 1: And I also kind of know animal sounds. So as
Speaker 1: we're walking along this trail, I hear something. We both
Speaker 1: heard something walking, and I knew it was something that
Speaker 1: was on two feet. I could just tell by the
Speaker 1: way the way it was walking it was two feet.
Speaker 1: It wasn't four. Growing up in a hunting family and
Speaker 1: being out in the woods, and my friend was like,
Speaker 1: I wonder what that is, and I'm like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: probably just a deer. And I said that because I
Speaker 1: didn't want her to freak out and run back to
Speaker 1: the bark a lot. It was like I kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to keep walking, you know, So I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I think it's just a deer, but I knew in
Speaker 1: the back of my mind it wasn't because I could
Speaker 1: tell it was bipedal or on two feet. So then
Speaker 1: we we keep walking on this one loop and we
Speaker 1: both see this I guess you would call it eye shine.
Speaker 1: We see this orb or eye shine up in It
Speaker 1: has to be up in a tree because we are,
Speaker 1: you know, five feet tall each of us, and we're
Speaker 1: seeing this thing that is so bright off to our
Speaker 1: left because the noise was on the right and then
Speaker 1: this orb was on the left and it was just
Speaker 1: this big, bright, white light. And she was making comments
Speaker 1: like maybe it's somebody with a headlamp. I'm like, up
Speaker 1: in a tree, you know, it's making it's maybe it's
Speaker 1: a three wheeler light. I'm like, up in a tree,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. But it's kind of
Speaker 1: up in the tree, and it's high up in a tree,
Speaker 1: and we went next to the ridge yet, so I
Speaker 1: mean it had to be at least twelve to fifteen
Speaker 1: feet up in a tree, and it was stationary, it
Speaker 1: wasn't moving, and I always just kind of like, I
Speaker 1: just kept walking. So we just kept walking and we
Speaker 1: get around to an area where there's a fire pit
Speaker 1: back on like the second loop, and we're just sitting there.
Speaker 1: There's a bench and we were sitting there just talking.
Speaker 1: It's dark, and you'd think by this point, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm in my back of my mind, I'm going, Okay,
Speaker 1: whatever it was back there was on two feet and
Speaker 1: then we see this orb thing. You'd think one of
Speaker 1: us would have been thinking we should just get out
Speaker 1: of here, but no, we're gonna go sit on this
Speaker 1: bench and a fire pit and we're just gonna hang
Speaker 1: out for like probably a good hour, maybe a little longer.
Speaker 1: And then we decide we're going to head back to
Speaker 1: the parking lot. And I didn't know any different route
Speaker 1: to get back because I didn't know the trail back
Speaker 1: there as well as she did, so I was kind
Speaker 1: of like, well, which way do you want to go,
Speaker 1: and so I'm kind of following her back and we
Speaker 1: kind of made a big loop. So the way we
Speaker 1: came in, when we came back out by the bridge,
Speaker 1: we came on the on the left, so we came around,
Speaker 1: so we went right instead of left, but then we
Speaker 1: came back on the left, so it's like we made
Speaker 1: this big circle and this is this is where. This
Speaker 1: is the part that I never forget and every time
Speaker 1: I talk about it, I get the chills because it
Speaker 1: was so crazy. We walk across the bridge and now
Speaker 1: we have a good two to three blocks before we
Speaker 1: get back to the parking lot, and we start hearing
Speaker 1: this and I don't I still do this day. What
Speaker 1: do you call it. It's a call, it's a scream,
Speaker 1: it's a holler. I don't know what we're hearing, but
Speaker 1: it is unlike any vocal I've ever heard up until
Speaker 1: this point that I'm like, what is that? And she
Speaker 1: looks at me and we're like, what what is that?
Speaker 1: And it was like at first I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's an animal hurt in the woods and it's dying.
Speaker 1: Or so we kind of hurried our pace a little
Speaker 1: bit because we've had a little ways to go to
Speaker 1: get back to our cars, and we heard it all
Speaker 1: the way back to the parking lot, and we knew
Speaker 1: that we were moving away from it because the closer
Speaker 1: we got to the cars, the less we could hear it.
Speaker 1: But it was still I don't know what you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you call it. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was the hair in the back of your neck is up,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't know what this is, but
Speaker 1: it's something. So we get back to our cars and
Speaker 1: I'm going through animals in my head, you know, like kyote, mountain, lion, fox,
Speaker 1: dear cow. I can't come up with it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what this is or what what? And
Speaker 1: so we get in our cars and I mean, it
Speaker 1: was weird because we were both kind of scared, but
Speaker 1: not really because it's almost like when you hear something
Speaker 1: that's so freaking strange, you kind of freeze, but yet
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like you'd think at this point,
Speaker 1: even earlier in the night, we would have like not
Speaker 1: even stayed out there, but we did. And then so
Speaker 1: we get in our cars and I said to her,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna do some research. Because
Speaker 1: I cannot like, should we go back? Is that animal dying?
Speaker 1: Should we try and help it? I mean there was
Speaker 1: even a point where I was like, is something hurt?
Speaker 1: So about twenty minutes for me to get home? Ten
Speaker 1: fifty twenty, about twenty minutes for me to get home.
Speaker 1: And then I started doing research animal calls. And it's now,
Speaker 1: I don't know, one two o'clock morning, and I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to find something that sounds similar to what we heard.
Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, for the heck of it,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just going to google bigfoot calls
Speaker 1: and see what comes.
Speaker 2: Up, just for fun, just for fun.
Speaker 1: Yep, just gonna google bigfoot calls on my laptop and
Speaker 1: see what happens. And I was listening to various calls
Speaker 1: that were uploaded on YouTube, and now this is a
Speaker 1: whole new world for me. I'm like thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: I'm literally sitting here looking for bigfoot calls. It's just
Speaker 1: to me, it was like, okay, and it came across
Speaker 1: a vocalization that was captured. I think, I think Rainier, Washington.
Speaker 1: There's a call that it sounded almost exactly like. And
Speaker 1: when I clicked on that and I heard that. I
Speaker 1: immediately texted my friend and I said, I'm going to
Speaker 1: send you this and I want you to listen to it.
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me is this what we
Speaker 1: heard or is this what we not heard? I want
Speaker 1: to know because I'm thinking this is pretty damn close
Speaker 1: to what we heard out there. So she listened to it,
Speaker 1: she said, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's I'm like, are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Did we did? Did we did we
Speaker 1: hear bigfoot? Like? What? Really? So it took me a
Speaker 1: while to wrap my head around the fact that we
Speaker 1: were in company of bigfoot sasquatch that night.
Speaker 2: In a place that you had been to numerous times before.
Speaker 2: M never yeah, never anything.
Speaker 1: No, and you'd think that, And of course my mind
Speaker 1: is going, you know, I'm a psychic medium, I know energies.
Speaker 1: Why why do I not know this energy? Why am
Speaker 1: I not? And I mean, obviously now I understand why
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean, like I said, this has been
Speaker 1: an eight year journey. I understand for the most part
Speaker 1: why I wasn't able to pick up on what kind
Speaker 1: of energy that was. But back then, I was like,
Speaker 1: why is bigfoot jumping into my life? I mean, sure,
Speaker 1: is this really bigfoot? What? It became a very confusing situation.
Speaker 1: So then I don't know how long it was After that,
Speaker 1: because it had to be pretty close, I started seeking
Speaker 1: out people I could talk to about it. Jenny was
Speaker 1: pretty much remaining I don't know if anonymous is the world.
Speaker 1: I was more, I need to talk to somebody. I
Speaker 1: need to get confirmation that I'm not nuts. So I
Speaker 1: want to say I was watching news, a news thing
Speaker 1: on TV or probably on my phone or something. I
Speaker 1: was watching like a news clip of a local bigfoot
Speaker 1: researcher that runs a group up in the Upper Peninsula,
Speaker 1: and he was doing a clip on the local news
Speaker 1: about bigfoot calls and that he runs an organization. So
Speaker 1: I reached out to him and we arranged a time
Speaker 1: to get together so I could tell him the story,
Speaker 1: and he decided that he was going to get it
Speaker 1: published through the bfr old and so it ended up
Speaker 1: getting published in the following year, in twenty seventeen. It
Speaker 1: ended up getting published, so it's on the database. It's
Speaker 1: in the database. So then I ended up joining the
Speaker 1: Upper Peninsula Bigfoot Research Sasquatch organization. I ended up joining
Speaker 1: that group for a while and going on a couple
Speaker 1: of expeditions when I was obviously very new to the
Speaker 1: whole Bigfoot world. And there's obviously there's a lot of fear.
Speaker 1: There's also a lot of compassion and loving. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've over the eight years I've witnessed in people who
Speaker 1: are involved in this field everything from oh my god,
Speaker 1: they are bad to oh my god, they are the
Speaker 1: most loving creature on the planet. Yeah, And at this
Speaker 1: point in my life, I'm over here and they are
Speaker 1: the most loving being on the planet. And I feel
Speaker 1: protected when I'm in the woods. So I started out
Speaker 1: with I don't know what this is, and then some
Speaker 1: of the gifting that went on early on freaked me out.
Speaker 1: But now I'm over in the other camp.
Speaker 2: Well, first off, I want to go back to the
Speaker 2: call that you heard, Okay, Was it the same call
Speaker 2: being repeated over and over? Was it one kind of
Speaker 2: long call?
Speaker 1: It was the same call being repeated over and over.
Speaker 1: It would it would be like that screaming howly it
Speaker 1: sounded like a dying cow. I don't know how else
Speaker 1: to say it. And then it would start over. It
Speaker 1: would be like this long call. But then it would
Speaker 1: start over and it did that until we left. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was continuing after we left,
Speaker 1: of course, but all the way to from where we
Speaker 1: started hearing it to when we got to the parking lot.
Speaker 2: When you first heard it, about how far away would
Speaker 2: you think it was?
Speaker 1: It was probably not too far from where we were
Speaker 1: when we were at the fire pit. It just waited
Speaker 1: because it felt from when we were at the bridge
Speaker 1: point and we started hearing it, it sounded a good
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe a quarter of a mile away, No, no,
Speaker 1: maybe half I'm not really good with lengths, and like
Speaker 1: maybe it had to be closer to where the fire
Speaker 1: pit was, and it took us. It took us about
Speaker 1: ten minutes to get from the fire pit to the bridge. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it was a ways back, I mean loud.
Speaker 2: Do you think the one that you heard was the
Speaker 2: same one that was walking around earlier?
Speaker 1: No, okay, no, I think it was separate, two separate.
Speaker 1: I think the one on the one walking next to
Speaker 1: the river because of this trail on the right would
Speaker 1: have been a ravine and a river. When we crossed
Speaker 1: the bridge and we took a right, there'd be the left,
Speaker 1: which would be wooded and on the right there would
Speaker 1: be a little bit like a ravine and a river,
Speaker 1: So the one on two feet was on the right,
Speaker 1: and then when we made our trek back to that
Speaker 1: fire pit, that would have been far. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like it was two separate and I look back now,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I've had other experiences before we moved.
Speaker 1: I had five years of experience in that because once
Speaker 1: I had the initial experience and I started to feel
Speaker 1: comfortable exploring the Sasquatch realm, I would spend lots of
Speaker 1: time out there alone, gathering my own evidence, collecting pictures,
Speaker 1: doing gifting stuff to see what would happen. A couple
Speaker 1: of really crazy gifting stories. And then at some point
Speaker 1: before we moved to where we live now, my son
Speaker 1: and I the telepathic communication stuff started.
Speaker 2: So you were very well versed, as you said, in
Speaker 2: the paranormal, very experienced whenever it came to those sort
Speaker 2: of things. So you see this orb it was different
Speaker 2: than anything paranormal you had experienced. What kind of feelings
Speaker 2: did you get from it? Anything?
Speaker 1: It was different in the sense that it was more solid,
Speaker 1: and it was bright, and it was it had that
Speaker 1: feeling of I don't know what This is versus if
Speaker 1: I someone was to so back then, if someone was
Speaker 1: to hand me a picture and say, tell me what
Speaker 1: you think. Do you think these are orbs in this picture?
Speaker 1: Or do you think this is dust? And I'd say
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of the time, I'm pretty good at
Speaker 1: saying that's dust, that's just a bug. No, that is
Speaker 1: an orb, that is some spiritual energy. So seeing this
Speaker 1: bright shining orb or light in the up in the air,
Speaker 1: stationary or in a tree, it had an unknown feeling
Speaker 1: to it. I was like, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: This is, all right, So let's fast forward. Now you're
Speaker 2: feeling comfortable in the Sasquatch realm, you're going out there.
Speaker 2: Did you immediately start gifting or how did that come about?
Speaker 1: First expedition was just getting in the flow of being
Speaker 1: around other people who are in the Sasquatch field that
Speaker 1: I'll do and all agree, well, right, And another reason
Speaker 1: why I don't do expeditions anymore because of the I like,
Speaker 1: it's a matter of you know, I need to be
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's like finding your tribe, right.
Speaker 1: Being with people that have the same opinions kind of
Speaker 1: helps the cause versus everybody having a different opinion. Second
Speaker 1: expedition I went on. There was a group of us
Speaker 1: walking down and this would be the second expedition that
Speaker 1: similar at a location that three hours west of where
Speaker 1: I live right now, No East, a popular expedition area
Speaker 1: in the Upper Peninsula. Second time there, a few of
Speaker 1: us were walking down the road. It's a very remote campground,
Speaker 1: it's rustic, and I noticed this rock on the ground
Speaker 1: and I was going to pass it up, and I
Speaker 1: backed up and I looked at it and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: there's some etching on this rock. And I'm making a
Speaker 1: long story kind of shortened up because it was an
Speaker 1: interesting weekend. And I picked it up and I was like,
Speaker 1: there's etching on this rock, and it just I'm going
Speaker 1: to keep it. And there was a few people in
Speaker 1: the group that was like, yeah, I should probably keep that.
Speaker 1: It was probably meant for you to keep. And so
Speaker 1: later on that evening I passed it around. Everybody at
Speaker 1: the campground was taking a look at the rock and
Speaker 1: coming up with their opinions on what they thought the
Speaker 1: etching was, because it did look like a dragonfly, and
Speaker 1: that resonates with this whole journey I'm on. And then
Speaker 1: there's Most people were like, it's a dragonfly. It looks
Speaker 1: like somebody etched a dragonfly on it. And of course
Speaker 1: my curiosity curiosity was like, well, why would I get
Speaker 1: a rock with an etching on it? Why did I
Speaker 1: see this? All these questions, you know, And then I thought, well,
Speaker 1: when I get done with this expedition, I'm going to
Speaker 1: touch base with the Native American couple that gave me
Speaker 1: my Native American name. And I had been in touch
Speaker 1: with them off and on once the big Foot stuff started,
Speaker 1: because it seems that Native Americans have a really good
Speaker 1: understanding of Sasquatch people and there's a lot of groundedness
Speaker 1: with Native American theories and ideas with them. So I thought, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just touched base with the couple that gave me
Speaker 1: my name and see what they think. So I got
Speaker 1: back from the expedition and I touched base with them,
Speaker 1: and we were actually on the phone and I sent
Speaker 1: them a picture and they said what do you think?
Speaker 1: What do you think this is? And I gave them
Speaker 1: the you know, went on an expedition found this rock
Speaker 1: and the the man his name is Bruce. It's Bruce
Speaker 1: and Pat. They're a couple and they are the ones
Speaker 1: who gave me my Native American name. And he said, well,
Speaker 1: it's obvious that the rock was meant for you. It's
Speaker 1: a dragonfly, and they probably knew you were coming back
Speaker 1: because you'd been there before. And I'm like, what really,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like you're kidding me. They're going
Speaker 1: to know that I'm coming back and that's a gift.
Speaker 1: How crazy is that? And like what am I supposed
Speaker 1: to do with it? You know? And he said, well,
Speaker 1: I suggest you go back to your where you had
Speaker 1: your initial experience and wash the rock in a stream,
Speaker 1: thank the Sasquatch for giving you the gift, and bring
Speaker 1: a gift. Bring. Now, this is just such a crazy story.
Speaker 1: And when I repeat this story, I just think this
Speaker 1: is nuts, but it is not. They're like, bring, bring
Speaker 1: some squash and some blueberries to the river, wash the rock,
Speaker 1: and thank the Sasquatch people for remembering you giving you
Speaker 1: the rock. And you know, okay. So I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that, not thinking, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, okay, I'm going to go back to where
Speaker 1: I had my initial experience with my friend, go the river.
Speaker 1: So I go to do that, and then I'm still
Speaker 1: in touch with the the UPRVR group where I live,
Speaker 1: just keeping them, keeping the guy who organizes the group
Speaker 1: in the loop because he wanted to know how things
Speaker 1: were going with the rock and stuff and what I
Speaker 1: was going to do with it. So I go there,
Speaker 1: I wash the rock. I bring a squash and a blueberry,
Speaker 1: and I'll be honest with you. At this time, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: this is this is kind of nuts. I am at
Speaker 1: a river where I had the initial weird thing and
Speaker 1: I'm washing a rock. This just seems really nuts.
Speaker 2: I've been there. I've been there. That's all I can say.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's nuts anymore. But like then, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on? And what is this
Speaker 1: world I'm jumping into? Just so I leave, I do
Speaker 1: the thing, I leave, go back to my life. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm do it, just being being me, just working in college,
Speaker 1: raising my son, doing my thing. And the guy's name
Speaker 1: is Rich the organization, guy from the Upper Peninsula Bigfoot
Speaker 1: Research Organization, just shoots me texten on A week later, Hey,
Speaker 1: why don't you go back and check where you did
Speaker 1: the washing the rock and see if anything's different. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why would I do that? Just go do it? Okay.
Speaker 1: So here I go, driving out to this location, walking
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes in the woods to the river by myself,
Speaker 1: and I go to check and see if anything's different.
Speaker 1: The squash is gone and the blueberries are gone. And
Speaker 1: I figured they would. I figured a deer was either
Speaker 1: going to eat them or woods animals, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But I couldn't find any remnants. I couldn't find any
Speaker 1: remnants of the squash. I couldn't find any remnants of
Speaker 1: the blueberries. And I'm looking pretty hardcore for remnants because
Speaker 1: I thought i'd at least see maybe part of the
Speaker 1: squash that I left there. And my vision went to
Speaker 1: the river, which is, you know, a foot in front
Speaker 1: of me, and I see a dead deer in the
Speaker 1: river with its neck broken and its leg's broken. And
Speaker 1: they went to myself, well, this can't be coincidence, because
Speaker 1: why would there be a deer. The river is not
Speaker 1: even a foot deep at this area. It's very shallow.
Speaker 1: I could walk in there if I wanted, So I'm
Speaker 1: trying to give you a visual the very shallow on
Speaker 1: the side of the shore there, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: there's a dead deer that looks pretty beat up. So
Speaker 1: I call Rich on the phone actually and said, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm a little nerved out right now. There is a
Speaker 1: dead deer in the river where I gifted blueberriers are gone,
Speaker 1: squash is gone. And before I had a chance to
Speaker 1: say anything to me, said is its neck broken? Like
Speaker 1: what do you guys want making me walk into I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: its neck is broken and its legs are broken, and
Speaker 1: it actually looks like something grabbed it on the hind quarter.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm like, I don't know. Should I run?
Speaker 2: Clearly? Rich hit a deer with his car, carried the
Speaker 2: deer to the gifting location, and planted the whole thing.
Speaker 2: That's got to be the.
Speaker 1: Right, right, So I was like, okay. He's like, it
Speaker 1: sounds like you got gifted a deer. I said, what
Speaker 1: he says, It sounds like you were gifted a deer
Speaker 1: in return for the squash and the blueberries.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good swap, by the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, well, what if I don't want a deer?
Speaker 1: Because this is where my brain goes, what if I
Speaker 1: didn't want a deer? He's like, well, you got a deer.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I don't know how to feel about this,
Speaker 1: and is something going to come flying out of the
Speaker 1: woods now at me? Because at this point I was
Speaker 1: still kind of in the fear. I don't know what
Speaker 1: this is all about. I don't know what to expect,
Speaker 1: because what you don't know, you don't know, right, And
Speaker 1: so I'm like, well, I'm going to high tail it
Speaker 1: out here because I don't know what's going on and
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure I don't need a deer. And
Speaker 1: then he made the commed He says, well, how big
Speaker 1: is the deer? I said, it's a small one. It's
Speaker 1: not like it's a fawn or anything, but it's not
Speaker 1: very big. He says, do you think it weighs about
Speaker 1: as much as you? And I said, what like one
Speaker 1: hundred pounds? I said maybe. He says, it sounds like
Speaker 1: you got gifted a deer that's about your size, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is that relevant to? So I hiked
Speaker 1: held it out of there because I was kind of
Speaker 1: freaked out. I left. Didn't take me long to get
Speaker 1: back to the parking lot. It didn't take me that
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. I mean, I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to think right now and what is going on.
Speaker 1: So I want to say within that there was like
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks in between the next visit where
Speaker 1: I was just kind of okay, I got gifted a deer.
Speaker 1: And then I started talking to other people in the
Speaker 1: in the Bigfoot realm, all over the MA. You know
Speaker 1: people that are like, oh my god, they killed a deer.
Speaker 1: You should be careful. It's going to get you next.
Speaker 1: And then I had other people knowing you got gifted
Speaker 1: a deer. It's an honor. You should be honored, and
Speaker 1: it is. Like I said, at this point, I was
Speaker 1: still I don't know where I'm at with all this
Speaker 1: because I wasn't tuning into their frequency. I didn't know
Speaker 1: their frequency yet. I just knew that I didn't know
Speaker 1: what this was, so I don't know. A week or
Speaker 1: two goes by and Rich messaged me again and he says,
Speaker 1: you should go back out there see if the deer
Speaker 1: is still there. Well, I got to back that up
Speaker 1: a little bit. We did go back there and took
Speaker 1: the deer out of the river and put it on
Speaker 1: the shore. Forgot to tell you that, because that is
Speaker 1: very important. I did not go back alone. Next time,
Speaker 1: I had Rich come with me. We took the deer
Speaker 1: out of the river, we put it on the shore.
Speaker 1: Then a week later he says, you need to go
Speaker 1: back out there and you need to see if the
Speaker 1: deer is still there. And I'm like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to go back out there and see if the deer
Speaker 1: is still there. But I did go back out there.
Speaker 1: Bring my phone with so I can take pictures. And
Speaker 1: I have pictures of each phase, the blueberries, the squash,
Speaker 1: the deer in the river, the deer on the shore.
Speaker 1: It's called documentation for my own sanity.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: And then I come back and the deer is gone,
Speaker 1: and there is no sign of it. There's no fur like,
Speaker 1: there's no there's absolutely no sign of the deer. It
Speaker 1: is gone. Call Rich on the phone. It's not here.
Speaker 1: He says, does it look like it got drug out
Speaker 1: or carried out? I said, there's no drag marks anywhere.
Speaker 1: Somebody must have picked it up. But who's going to
Speaker 1: pick it up? And how com I not seeing any footprints.
Speaker 1: I don't see where somebody would have taken it out.
Speaker 1: It's just gone. That was the deers. That's the deer story.
Speaker 1: The rock slash deer story. I didn't gift after that food.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't gift food anymore, I really don't.
Speaker 1: I really don't want dead animals in return. I don't
Speaker 1: gift food. I will gift rocks, I will gift feathers.
Speaker 1: I will do rock formations in return of rock formations,
Speaker 1: I'll do stick words. But I don't, and I mean,
Speaker 1: I the current, the current sasquatch group that I interact
Speaker 1: with now we know each other very well, and I mean,
Speaker 1: over the years, I've learned to be very clear, you know,
Speaker 1: please don't gift me animals. I don't want dead animals.
Speaker 1: So that and I don't and I don't gift animals
Speaker 1: or gift you know, food. So because that was a very,
Speaker 1: it was a very I was very scared for quite
Speaker 1: a while on that one. So what changed, Well, I
Speaker 1: did a podcast with Sasquatch Theory when I was still
Speaker 1: in fear mode. The first the first one I did
Speaker 1: with them, I was kind of fear. But on the fence,
Speaker 1: I think it was a I think it was a
Speaker 1: gift in return, but I don't really know. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think where this started to change, Mostly because I
Speaker 1: would go out there, and I would have buttons in
Speaker 1: the like. There's different areas I would go out to
Speaker 1: this hiking trail that nobody is willing to go to
Speaker 1: because it's deep in the woods and there's woodticks and
Speaker 1: there's mosquitoes, and not everybody's willing to just kind of
Speaker 1: like go into the woods and find a little spot
Speaker 1: to sit and then make it your own right to
Speaker 1: go back and sit. So you know, there's times I
Speaker 1: would go back to these places and sit and there'd
Speaker 1: be a button there. Who's gonna leave a button, you know,
Speaker 1: a mile a mile in like a clothing button. How
Speaker 1: would that get out there? We're like a baseball, a
Speaker 1: major league looking tight baseball. Who's going to leave that
Speaker 1: in an area where I'm pretty sure no other human
Speaker 1: is gonna Just all these little gifts that I would
Speaker 1: that I would get over the over the course of
Speaker 1: the three four years that I spent there after the
Speaker 1: deer and I would take people I would take. I'm
Speaker 1: very selective who I take in the woods with me,
Speaker 1: because I'm learning that if someone is not a good
Speaker 1: intention thinks they need a gun, wants to go hunting,
Speaker 1: there's not going to be any interaction. If I bring
Speaker 1: someone with me who has good intention, curious, open minded,
Speaker 1: doesn't want to kill anything, typically we'll have an experience together,
Speaker 1: whether it's a call or a wood knock or a
Speaker 1: tree a snap, or something left on the trail. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm trying to like think of when it really changed.
Speaker 1: I think it's just been a progression. I think it's
Speaker 1: been a progression of change because I didn't have I
Speaker 1: had a lot of like third eye sightings because of
Speaker 1: being a psychic medium. Once I started learning their energy,
Speaker 1: I would see them in my third eye, not all
Speaker 1: the time, because they're very good at cloaking and that
Speaker 1: I have not changed my mind. They're so good at
Speaker 1: like they don't want you to see them. You're not
Speaker 1: going to see them. So for a long time, once
Speaker 1: I learned their energy and their vibration, I'd get glimpses
Speaker 1: in the third eye and I'd be like, Okay, they're
Speaker 1: here today. And then I did a shamanic life coaching
Speaker 1: training because besides being a social worker, I wanted to
Speaker 1: I'm also into natural health, so I wanted to foster
Speaker 1: the side of my brain that's into shamanic health stuff.
Speaker 1: So I noticed a big change after I did a
Speaker 1: Shamanic Life Coach training where I learned more shamanic type
Speaker 1: healing stuff. Because it was shortly after that last year,
Speaker 1: in June or July of twenty twenty three, I had
Speaker 1: my first full on sighting without using without being a medium,
Speaker 1: and that really changed the game for me. Like that
Speaker 1: changed not that I didn't know they existed, not that
Speaker 1: I didn't know they weren't there, but to see one
Speaker 1: with my eyes versus my psychic I and then I
Speaker 1: ended up doing my second podcast with Sashquatch theory to
Speaker 1: get updated. There was like this update there was like
Speaker 1: my first one and then it's like, Okay, now I
Speaker 1: need to revisit some people that I have talked to
Speaker 1: when I was still green, and now we're going to
Speaker 1: go listen. I just had my first sight, my first
Speaker 1: true sighting.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that. Was those that siting just
Speaker 2: a random occurrence or was it elicited or how did
Speaker 2: that come about.
Speaker 1: I spent about five years in the first location getting
Speaker 1: to know the forest people, the Sasquatch, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: calls them something a little different. I became very used
Speaker 1: to their habits where we were living, and how they
Speaker 1: would interact with me with the little gifts, or like
Speaker 1: with the whistling at me when I'm out in the woods,
Speaker 1: or the giggling when I walk by where I think
Speaker 1: they are but I can't see them, but I can
Speaker 1: feel them, And then moving to where we are now,
Speaker 1: and in between that time doing this shamanic training, which
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if that's an aspect of
Speaker 1: why things are different here. It just feels like they're
Speaker 1: different here as well. But I was out hiking. So
Speaker 1: when we moved, I get so excited when I talk
Speaker 1: about this stuff. So when we moved, as we were
Speaker 1: getting settled into our new place, I decided to do
Speaker 1: some research on maps Google Maps. Where are the hiking
Speaker 1: areas around where we live? Where where are the deep
Speaker 1: wooded areas where I can go and see if I
Speaker 1: can find me a new Sasquatch family and see where
Speaker 1: they are. And so I thought, yeah, We're going to
Speaker 1: go to this very wooded area. I'm about fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: away from where I'm at right now, and there's a
Speaker 1: fair amount of hiking trails that are very wooded. I'm
Speaker 1: going to I'm going to start walking these trails and
Speaker 1: see what I come up with. And I had already
Speaker 1: started seeing clues on the first the first time in
Speaker 1: this new area, I started seeing tree structures that I
Speaker 1: knew were very characteristic of Sasquatch. I could feel there
Speaker 1: was a Sasquatch energy out there, although it felt a
Speaker 1: bit more intense than the previous location we lived in.
Speaker 1: It was definitely Sasquatch energy, but it was it felt
Speaker 1: not only like older, but felt more intense. So I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is probably going to be a good area to
Speaker 1: get to know whatever Sasquatch group plan family might be
Speaker 1: in this neck of the woods. And probably about January
Speaker 1: February March April May, probably about five months of hiking
Speaker 1: and looking at different structures I would find and getting
Speaker 1: a sense of the energy. I just happened to be
Speaker 1: out there one day walking and I was on the
Speaker 1: phone with my mom walking one of the main trails,
Speaker 1: and I'm on the phone with my mom and there's
Speaker 1: this girl coming my way from the opposite direction, and
Speaker 1: I can see something walking quite a ways behind her
Speaker 1: that I thought was human at first, because she's only
Speaker 1: twenty feet away from me, and she's coming from the
Speaker 1: opposite direction, and I'm on the phone with my mom,
Speaker 1: so I'm somewhat distracted. But when in the distance, I
Speaker 1: can see something coming behind, not like right behind her,
Speaker 1: but coming towards me just a ways. And so the
Speaker 1: girl passed me, and I'm on the phone with my
Speaker 1: mom and I'm like, what am I seeing? I mean,
Speaker 1: like there was this whole I'm going to get off
Speaker 1: the phone now because i think what I'm seeing is
Speaker 1: not At first, it looked like a guy coming from
Speaker 1: from a distance. It looked like a guy walking towards
Speaker 1: on the trail. And then I'm realizing that this is
Speaker 1: to me what i'd say now is probably a juvenile
Speaker 1: or a younger, not a younger sasquatch, not like because
Speaker 1: that's one was a tall, tall and thin, and from
Speaker 1: my previous psychic visions of seeing them, I'd always see
Speaker 1: bigger ones, bigger, wider. I don't think i'd ever really
Speaker 1: seen a juvenile in my third eye, it was mostly
Speaker 1: the adults. So I'm looking at this, what is a
Speaker 1: bigfoot coming towards me? And I hurry up and get
Speaker 1: off the phone with my mom, and it darts off
Speaker 1: the trail because I think it recognized it, realized that
Speaker 1: I saw it, and I'm like, okay, So then my
Speaker 1: brain is trying to process that I'm not this is
Speaker 1: not my psychic guy, this is my this is me seeing.
Speaker 1: So I'm hurrying trying to get to where I saw
Speaker 1: it dart off the trail, and I'm thinking, well, it
Speaker 1: can't go far because it darted off the trail to
Speaker 1: the right, which there's a lake there. It didn't dart
Speaker 1: to the left, which would have been up the ravine
Speaker 1: on another trail where I wouldn't have been able to
Speaker 1: follow it. So I'm like, well, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: able to see it when I get to where it
Speaker 1: darted in, because it's the lake. And I get to
Speaker 1: where it darted in and I cannot find it. I
Speaker 1: can't see it. I don't know where it went. And
Speaker 1: I'm looking and I'm looking, and I'm like, where are you?
Speaker 1: Are you cloaking? I saw you? So I stayed around
Speaker 1: that area for a while trying to but it disappeared.
Speaker 1: And that was cool, I mean, you know, because I yeah,
Speaker 1: that was cool. And it was tall and thin, the
Speaker 1: face really didn't have a lot of hair. It was
Speaker 1: just different looking than what I was used to seeing
Speaker 1: where we used to live, So to me, it felt
Speaker 1: like it was younger. There was a curiosity feeling that
Speaker 1: went with him. Definitely felt like a male looked more
Speaker 1: male than female. But it was young. It was a
Speaker 1: younger one. You know. I'm thinking, like I had to
Speaker 1: go by ages, you know, twenty, you know, if I
Speaker 1: was to equate it with someone who's in their twenties versus,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this being is feels eighty and ancient,
Speaker 1: you know. So that was really interesting.
Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, what color was it?
Speaker 1: I want to say, like a brown with reddish, not
Speaker 1: like a dark not like a dark brown, not like
Speaker 1: a black, more of like a brown reddish. And like
Speaker 1: I said, the face was. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: threw me off from a distance was the face. I
Speaker 1: didn't see hair on the face, and the shoulders weren't
Speaker 1: as broad as what I'd been used to seeing in
Speaker 1: the psychic guy back to the other locations. I was
Speaker 1: just like, from a distance, I thought, oh, it's just
Speaker 1: a guy. And then as I got closure, I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: that is that's a sasquatch.
Speaker 2: Was the face are a lighter or darker than the body.
Speaker 1: Lighter. Yeah, if I was a sketch artist, I would
Speaker 1: have sketched it by now. You know. I'd love to
Speaker 1: be able to sketch these things because I do try
Speaker 1: and then they just turn out looking really ridiculous. So
Speaker 1: that was in June July of twenty twenty three. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure when telepathic communications started. I want to say
Speaker 1: it started back when we were living in the other location,
Speaker 1: but it's accelerated here and I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I think and I swear like
Speaker 1: all of us feel the same way. The more we
Speaker 1: think we know, the more questions we have. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have some theories that I feel are pretty solid in
Speaker 1: my opinion. You know, I'm pretty sure they use portals
Speaker 1: because I've seen portals when I was knee deep or
Speaker 1: knee deep head deep. I don't know how you want
Speaker 1: to say it in the paranormal field. You know, when
Speaker 1: I was doing paranormal stuff for people and i'd have
Speaker 1: to close portals on people's property. You know, I know
Speaker 1: what portals look like. So I'm convinced, and this is
Speaker 1: my opinion that they have they use portals, and I
Speaker 1: think it's the trees I think there's there's tree portals.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're interdimensional. People have asked me
Speaker 1: if I think they know alien know the aliens. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I've had alien interaction. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the aliens in the Sasquatch know each other. I'm still
Speaker 1: learning myself. I just know that I don't fear them anymore.
Speaker 1: I feel like they protect me when I'm out in
Speaker 1: the woods. I feel like they're they're friends. They're like friends.
Speaker 1: And but I'm not a threat either. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't carry a gun, I have no intentions of harming anything.
Speaker 1: I'm actually more afraid of humans than I am of
Speaker 1: the Sasquatch, so.
Speaker 2: As you should.
Speaker 1: You know, it might be why I I get so many,
Speaker 1: you know, I get so many so much cool interactions,
Speaker 1: or I get you know, I get led to places
Speaker 1: that I get to see things like bones from I
Speaker 1: don't know, animals kind of shoved in like weird configurations
Speaker 1: in a tree and we're just structures. I find a
Speaker 1: lot of structures. I feel like I get led to
Speaker 1: their structures, which I think is really cool that they
Speaker 1: can intricate some of these branches to I mean, who's
Speaker 1: going to take the time to weave all these branches
Speaker 1: together and then the structure is going to be ten
Speaker 1: feet high, you know. I mean, like, who's going to
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 2: So I assume, which I shouldn't do. But I assume
Speaker 2: once you figured out how to you know, tune into
Speaker 2: their frequency, is that when the telepathic communication started, then
Speaker 2: I'm that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there was before that. I just
Speaker 1: didn't know, you know, because before when we were at
Speaker 1: the old location, I would go out to the woods
Speaker 1: when I felt the need to go out to the woods.
Speaker 1: But I think it was I think there was a
Speaker 1: lot of nudging me to come out and play. Because
Speaker 1: now you know today today I didn't go out with
Speaker 1: a knowdge. Today, I just went out in the woods
Speaker 1: because I needed some hiking time away from my noisy
Speaker 1: neighborhood we live in. But there's like the telepathic stuff
Speaker 1: I've got. I have a whole little notebook of messages
Speaker 1: they've related to me in this last year where I'll
Speaker 1: go out and ask, is there anything you'd like to
Speaker 1: tell me today? I think it's very important for me
Speaker 1: to say that I live on their terms. I don't
Speaker 1: make the terms. And I think that's where a lot
Speaker 1: of people who want to get to know Sasquatch and
Speaker 1: not live in fear. You have to be on their
Speaker 1: terms and you have to not have any bad intentions
Speaker 1: because they know you before you know you. They know
Speaker 1: everything about you before you even think. I think they
Speaker 1: know you before you know when you're out in the woods,
Speaker 1: they know they know you like they I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like this is an ancient, intelligent species that you're
Speaker 1: not going to pull the wole over their eyes. They're
Speaker 1: going to hole over our eyes. I mean it's obvious
Speaker 1: because if I can't see them half the time, they're
Speaker 1: not letting me.
Speaker 2: So what's the telepathic communication?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Is it like a voice just pops in your head?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And what does it sound like? Does it sound like
Speaker 2: a human voice of some human that you don't know, or.
Speaker 1: It sounds human and deep? And this also leads to
Speaker 1: questions too, like do how many languages do they speak?
Speaker 1: Or do they speak different languages to different people? Because
Speaker 1: to me, they speak in English And there's times when
Speaker 1: I get a message it sounds it sounds animalistic but human.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say like monkey or ape like,
Speaker 1: but there's like this tone that's it's English, but it's
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like it's just a guy talking to me.
Speaker 1: You can tell that it's animalistic. I've only in co
Speaker 1: under one female sasquatch, though in my journey so far
Speaker 1: just one. The rest has sounded male. But their messages
Speaker 1: are you know, when I get down, when I get
Speaker 1: when I go to when I go to the woods,
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, is there anything you would like me
Speaker 1: to know today? Do you want to do? You want
Speaker 1: to show me anything? And I say this. I've said
Speaker 1: this a lot over the last eight years, but more
Speaker 1: so the last three years, because I don't want to
Speaker 1: be startled, and they know that. I mean, after that,
Speaker 1: dear incidents, I'm sorry, I'm still a little freaked out.
Speaker 1: Even though that was back then. There's just certain things
Speaker 1: that kind of stay with you. And I'll say things like, hey,
Speaker 1: just don't scare me. And I think that if it
Speaker 1: would have been a twelve foot like seeing seeing a
Speaker 1: big one in my in my psychic eye is different
Speaker 1: than I think would be seeing one like. I think
Speaker 1: seeing one that felt juvenile and younger and curious was
Speaker 1: exactly what I needed to see, not to scare me.
Speaker 1: But the messages are always very For example, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go back to a message I was given during
Speaker 1: the winter when I was out at the location i'm
Speaker 1: at now, and I'm like getting scattered all over because
Speaker 1: I got like ten different things I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you about.
Speaker 2: I'm getting scattered all over? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: One of the most pronounced messages that I've received more
Speaker 1: than once is love is the answer? What do you
Speaker 1: want me to know today? Love is the answer? Okay, cool?
Speaker 1: Thank you. We know you before you know yourself. Sooner
Speaker 1: or later, we're going to get tired of being encroached on.
Speaker 1: I've heard that makes sense. Yep. Another reason why when
Speaker 1: I go to locations where I know they've set up
Speaker 1: like their camp, so to speak, because there's different locations
Speaker 1: where they have like places they gather, I will ask
Speaker 1: for permission to step in. Is it okay that I'm
Speaker 1: here today? Can I visit where you guys gather even
Speaker 1: though you're I can't see you today. I wait for
Speaker 1: a yes or no. Sometimes I've been told no, we
Speaker 1: don't really want you here today. Okay. I respect that.
Speaker 2: This is a question that always comes to mind whenever
Speaker 2: we're discussing this particular subject, and since you have your
Speaker 2: background in the paranormal, you might be a really great
Speaker 2: person to answer.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe.
Speaker 2: You're out there, you're basically eliciting a response because you're
Speaker 2: asking a question, you get an answer. How do you
Speaker 2: know it's coming from a bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Because I know their vibration. I know their vibration, I
Speaker 1: know their energy.
Speaker 2: Another person might not though.
Speaker 1: Right right, And that's why it's important to get training
Speaker 1: from either a shaman or someone who's really well versed.
Speaker 1: Because if I back this up a little bit, before
Speaker 1: I came out of the woodwork as a professional medium,
Speaker 1: I was trained under a shaman for about ten years,
Speaker 1: even though I was talking to those who had passed
Speaker 1: since I was a child. When I decided to become
Speaker 1: a professional medium, I trained under a shaman to hone
Speaker 1: my skills. And then I have my Native American people
Speaker 1: that gave me my Native American name too. They helped
Speaker 1: me in the early stages with the you know, you
Speaker 1: got to get on their vibration, okay, and that took
Speaker 1: some time. That's why there's that's why there's no fear anymore.
Speaker 1: Because I get their vibration. I understand like if I
Speaker 1: go in the woods and I don't know when i'm if,
Speaker 1: I don't know, because there's been instances where I'm out
Speaker 1: and about and I don't know the energy I'm dealing with.
Speaker 1: I will ask what is this? And there's times I
Speaker 1: don't get answers. So then I just kind of like
Speaker 1: close the door because there are times I don't want
Speaker 1: to I don't want to know. And I used to
Speaker 1: do that when I was doing a lot of medium
Speaker 1: work too, where if I was there was an energy
Speaker 1: I wasn't quite sure, I can close the door and
Speaker 1: not deal with it.
Speaker 2: I just think it's very important because I mean, you
Speaker 2: hear about these, you know, I don't know the right
Speaker 2: word to use, really supernatural or paranormal experiences that people
Speaker 2: have when dealing with bigfoot sasquatch, whatever the proper name is.
Speaker 2: And Joe Blow can go out in the woods and
Speaker 2: hear a voice or hear something whistling and be drawn
Speaker 2: to that or think that they're having an interaction with
Speaker 2: a bigfoot, but they might not be. It might be
Speaker 2: something else, maybe using that as a lure, pretending to
Speaker 2: be a bigfoot, because it knows your intent is to
Speaker 2: have a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Interaction, right, right, yep, Yeah, that's why it's discernment and education.
Speaker 1: And I know I used to talk about this in
Speaker 1: the paranormal field. If you're going to be in the
Speaker 1: paranormal investigator, you should probably get trained properly first before
Speaker 1: you walk into a house full of spirits that you
Speaker 1: don't know what kind of spirit you're dealing with. That's
Speaker 1: a whole different That is a whole different f and subject.
Speaker 1: I used to do. I used to do educational classes
Speaker 1: on that and.
Speaker 2: Oh look you there, we just got cut off. Yeah,
Speaker 2: see what happens. See what happens? Goosebumps? Is there something here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Trying to cause pretence?
Speaker 1: Right? You never know. But right when I first started
Speaker 1: working with a paranormal team in the Upper Peninsula, all
Speaker 1: of us had educated each other and we all had
Speaker 1: like there's just things. I mean, if you don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is why it's important to have of
Speaker 1: This is why it's important if you're going to be
Speaker 1: a paranormal investigation team. There's some key rules to be
Speaker 1: a good team. Notice I said the word good. You
Speaker 1: have to have good intentions. You have to have your
Speaker 1: own shit taken care of at least For the most part,
Speaker 1: you have to be working on your own private personal
Speaker 1: problems because you never know what you're going to walk
Speaker 1: into that might want to attach to you before you leave.
Speaker 1: And then you've got to know how to unattach things
Speaker 1: if you're going to walk into a situation where there
Speaker 1: might be some stuff that wants to attach to you,
Speaker 1: and then you should have a good, reputable, solid ground
Speaker 1: and medium on your team so that person can walk
Speaker 1: in first and be like, this is what we're dealing with,
Speaker 1: and this is how we're going to operate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's other things out there besides Bigfoot, is the point.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's entities. And I don't use the word demonic
Speaker 1: very often because that's very rare. It actually is more
Speaker 1: rare than people want you to believe. Just quit watching
Speaker 1: TV and all the show and all the paranormal people.
Speaker 1: Just stop. Demons are rare. They're not. But there's a
Speaker 1: lot of different types of possessions that are entities that
Speaker 1: are They could seem to demonic in nature, but they're not.
Speaker 1: They're just a pain in the ass. Can I use
Speaker 1: that word? You can? Yeah. You just gotta know, you
Speaker 1: got to you gotta have you've got to be solid,
Speaker 1: and everybody's kind of has to have their ship together.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I support I know we're kind of
Speaker 2: going off trail here, but I'm just saying I think
Speaker 2: it's important for people to realize that, you know, if
Speaker 2: you're inexperienced whenever it comes to the paranormal, or maybe
Speaker 2: not that knowledgeable, or maybe you're just out there looking
Speaker 2: for Bigfoot, you're not even messing with ghosts. You know.
Speaker 2: That's where of the mindset. You don't have to be
Speaker 2: in a cemetery or an old creepy house to encounter things.
Speaker 2: It can be the middle of nowhere, out in the woods.
Speaker 2: So yes, you just have to be.
Speaker 1: Careful because there's there's you know, depending on what you
Speaker 1: what a person personally believes in. But yeah, there is
Speaker 1: other things out there. I mean, we could talk about
Speaker 1: dog Man, we could talk about leprechauns. Could we could
Speaker 1: talk about weird looking creatures that probably got slipped through
Speaker 1: some portal somebody opened because they were being stupid. There's
Speaker 1: a lot more out there.
Speaker 2: Back to the messages, any warnings, have you ever encountered
Speaker 2: anything where it's.
Speaker 1: Like just there. The Sasquatch family that I currently interact
Speaker 1: with where I live have said that at some point
Speaker 1: they and I don't know if they're talking about their
Speaker 1: whole species because I haven't asked, they are going to
Speaker 1: be tired of being stalked and encroached on. And I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I respect your boundaries.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you think about it, you know, drones,
Speaker 1: people going out in the woods. Yeah, big potters. Those
Speaker 1: those who are just thrill seeking don't really understand the
Speaker 1: depths of this whole situation. But if you meet them
Speaker 1: on their terms and you have a good if you
Speaker 1: have good intentions and you meet them on their terms,
Speaker 1: they're the kindest, most compassionate you can like, they are
Speaker 1: here to teach us that love is the answer. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's profound. They are planet watchers. They're watching the planet,
Speaker 1: so hey, cool, can you guys take care of some
Speaker 1: of the crap that's going on the planet right now?
Speaker 2: Well, So, any insight onto what the structures mean, what
Speaker 2: they're for, I think that's individual.
Speaker 1: I do I think that. I mean, I'm not. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if an X means the same thing
Speaker 1: to me that it means to somebody else, and who
Speaker 1: is to say that the family I'm dealing with their
Speaker 1: ex doesn't mean something different than the ex over in Washington.
Speaker 1: I don't know. See at least leads more questions for
Speaker 1: me personally. And when I go out looking, looking, or
Speaker 1: being led to a structure, I just show up at
Speaker 1: the structure and go, wow, this is amazing. You guys
Speaker 1: know what you're doing, Like how do you do it?
Speaker 1: And sometimes I snap pictures and sometimes I don't. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I just observe and look around. And sometimes I feel
Speaker 1: like it's cool to snap pictures, and other times I
Speaker 1: don't think they want me taking pictures. But I do
Speaker 1: have one picture out of these eight years where I've
Speaker 1: been photo bombed. If you look hard enough in the picture,
Speaker 1: you can see the silhoe out of a sasquatch. It's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite pictures. But out of eight years,
Speaker 1: I've only been bomb once. I've only caught one one, well,
Speaker 1: maybe two. There's another one that's kind of iffy way
Speaker 1: back in the day, but one that I'm sure of
Speaker 1: that I've got a picture of. The rest is just structures,
Speaker 1: things they leave me, things I just find, whether it's
Speaker 1: random or they led me there. I've had a couple
Speaker 1: of gifts show up in my house. That's another subject.
Speaker 1: How do they end up putting things in my house? Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I'm not home, when I just visited them. But
Speaker 1: I've talked to various other people who have had that
Speaker 1: kind of you know, just there's been a there's a
Speaker 1: thread out there of people who have had home interaction
Speaker 1: telepathically or vocally. I gets there's smells too. I've had
Speaker 1: different smells in the woods that I know. Are them
Speaker 1: you being.
Speaker 2: A psychic medium? Depending on the school of thought, it
Speaker 2: will just it's not something everybody does or has tapped into.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Do they all have these abilities that you're talking about,
Speaker 2: like the telepathic communication or is it just certain ones
Speaker 2: like it is with human.
Speaker 1: Big Are all big Foot telepathic? Is that what you're saying? Right,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Are they I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's always, you know, kind of been one of my ponderings,
Speaker 2: like maybe some of them can do the mind speaking,
Speaker 2: other ones can't.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, let's say let's go with the theory
Speaker 1: that they are human human like. They're not human, but
Speaker 1: they're human like. So if they are human like, and
Speaker 1: this is you know this is stuff I stood up
Speaker 1: at night thinking about writing notes about if they're a
Speaker 1: human like, that would mean that they grow up. They
Speaker 1: start out as children and they learn as they go.
Speaker 1: So maybe some of them don't have the telepathic because
Speaker 1: they haven't grown into it yet.
Speaker 2: Could be?
Speaker 1: Could be?
Speaker 2: I mean, like you were talking about with the language thing,
Speaker 2: how many languages do they speak? Yeah, that's one of
Speaker 2: those things where like the more the more we think
Speaker 2: we know, the more questions.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: For us, I was raised around English speaking people. I
Speaker 2: heard it every day of my life. You start picking
Speaker 2: up on it, then you go to school and you
Speaker 2: learn grammar and all that. How would something like that
Speaker 2: learn English? How would one learn English in one place
Speaker 2: and one learn it in another place without it being
Speaker 2: taught to them? Who talks to begin with?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And as it just they just know how to
Speaker 1: adapt because that's how intelligent they are. I mean I
Speaker 1: have friends who friends in other states that talk with
Speaker 1: them in Ojibwe.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, I mean that'd be awesome. I should learn ojibway.
Speaker 1: I'm supposedly Ojibwa.
Speaker 2: I heard a woman here in Oklahoma, she was Wichita,
Speaker 2: and she said that they speak the language. Of whatever
Speaker 2: tribe they live around. And I thought that was really
Speaker 2: interesting because that would also translate to if they live
Speaker 2: around English speaking people, they're going to speak English.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But again, is it something where we just have built
Speaker 2: in psychic translators?
Speaker 1: Maybe? You know, maybe, because according to I don't know
Speaker 1: something I read a long time ago, humans only tap
Speaker 1: into some a tiny part of their intelligence, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean everyone has psychic capabilities. I mean some of
Speaker 1: us are born with it, others can, but everyone can
Speaker 1: learn it. I mean there's there are world renowned psychic
Speaker 1: mediums out there that teach others how to access their gifts.
Speaker 1: So I mean everybody has the capability of tapping into
Speaker 1: some I mean there's scope obviously, But yeah, what if
Speaker 1: they're just such an advanced species that they can translate
Speaker 1: the language they need to to so you understand them.
Speaker 2: So what are some of the more unique gifts that
Speaker 2: you've found in your house or they that they've brought you?
Speaker 2: I mean, I hope they didn't leave a dead deer
Speaker 2: lane on the couch or anything.
Speaker 1: No, No, because I could gifting food. I'm not attempted
Speaker 1: to gift food. I don't think ever, Again, I don't
Speaker 1: know I can't say that, but so there was this
Speaker 1: one day so July, June, July I had my first
Speaker 1: full sighting. August September, October, December I had my second sighting.
Speaker 1: By the way, I did have a second full sighting,
Speaker 1: and this one looked different than the first one. So
Speaker 1: somewhere after that second sighting January February, so February this year,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four around it was winter because remember I
Speaker 1: was walking a trail that I should have had snowshoes on,
Speaker 1: but I just said, screw it, I'm going to just
Speaker 1: walk this trail in my boots because I want to
Speaker 1: get to the lake. And it was a different side
Speaker 1: of the trail that I hadn't been on in a while,
Speaker 1: a lot of snow, and I was just walking along
Speaker 1: and I heard a female say hi, not too far
Speaker 1: away from where I had seen a structure before snow.
Speaker 2: Like actually said hi or telepath boot said hi, okay.
Speaker 1: And I had to stop and I had to do
Speaker 1: my thing. And I had to do my thing. Was
Speaker 1: this a ghost? Is this is this? What? What what
Speaker 1: energy am I dealing with? So I had to stop
Speaker 1: because it cut me off guard, which they that's what
Speaker 1: they do, you know, I mean random, you know, And
Speaker 1: I stopped and I was like, okay, I'm going to
Speaker 1: feel into the energy. I'm like, oh, this is a
Speaker 1: female sasquatch. Well this is okay, thank you, hi. And
Speaker 1: I just went along my merry way because it was
Speaker 1: winter and the snow was deep. And so then I
Speaker 1: get home. This is just another one of those stories
Speaker 1: where I'm like, she's crazy. So I get home and
Speaker 1: I see an ear ring on my rug when I
Speaker 1: walk in the door. That should not be there because
Speaker 1: it's not my earring. Okay, now my earring. My son
Speaker 1: is not here. He don't wear ear rings. He's at work.
Speaker 1: And it's shiny and it's metal, and I'm like, where
Speaker 1: did that come from? M I just had an interaction
Speaker 1: with a female sasquorch. How did this earring get in
Speaker 1: my on my carpet? Okay, we're gonna write, We're gonna
Speaker 1: take notes. Now, we're gonna note put this in the notebook,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna document this because someday I might write
Speaker 1: a book I don't know, And you know, I have
Speaker 1: to have a sense of humor about it, because this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff is crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the heck.
Speaker 1: So I've told a few people about that story, which
Speaker 1: they all think it's cool, because you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to just tell some random person on the street
Speaker 1: by the way, you know, or anybody in my family
Speaker 1: who thinks I'm nuts.
Speaker 2: But I have a friend. I won't tell her name
Speaker 2: because I don't know if she'd want me to, but
Speaker 2: she's probably listening to this episode. I hope she has.
Speaker 2: She'd better be. She finds those little, stretchy black hair
Speaker 2: ties really everywhere. Now we've been discussing that, trying to
Speaker 2: figure it out. She's enlisted my help trying to understand it.
Speaker 2: She's someone who's had experiences with the paranormal her entire life.
Speaker 2: We did meet through the Bigfoot world. She doesn't think
Speaker 2: it's Bigfoot related at all. I don't think it's Bigfoot related. Uh,
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to have any connection to the Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: But she told me she was finding them, and at
Speaker 2: first I was like, oh, yeah, I see those hair
Speaker 2: ties every now and then. But she only finds black ones,
Speaker 2: and she has found hundreds hundreds. It's always just like
Speaker 2: a random thing. She just looks down and there's one
Speaker 2: lane there, wow. And we can't figure it out. We
Speaker 2: don't know who's leaving them, why they're leaving them, what's
Speaker 2: the message behind the leaving of the airbands.
Speaker 1: So she doesn't think it's sasquatch, no, no, just maybe
Speaker 1: it's somebody who's passed away. That that's their clue. Yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody that's passed away and that's their way.
Speaker 2: I mean as a point, I started paying attention trying
Speaker 2: to find them, and I have found one, like the
Speaker 2: past year where she's found dozens. I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: it's weird.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's one. I wonder if it's one
Speaker 1: of her guides or one of her like you know,
Speaker 1: Guardian Angels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. There's another guy who is. He
Speaker 2: was a Navajo ranger. He's pretty well known at this
Speaker 2: point for him and his partner's involvement. They would investigate
Speaker 2: paranormal encrypted things on behalf of the Navajo nation. And
Speaker 2: he was in a paranormal investigation at some point inside
Speaker 2: of a building and these coins started showing up like
Speaker 2: loose pocket change. And he's still finding them, and he's
Speaker 2: found like, you know, hundreds of dollars worth of quarters
Speaker 2: and nickels and dimes that just like he'll leave the room,
Speaker 2: come back in the room and there'll be like three
Speaker 2: or four nickels laying on his desk just out of Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that must be nice. But everything start leaving, like one
Speaker 2: hundred dollar bills or something, But that would be great.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the whole phenomenon of materialization of physical objects
Speaker 2: that are like clearly human, that's such a weird thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wouldn't have I would not have made
Speaker 1: the connection if it wouldn't for the female, you know,
Speaker 1: the interaction and then to come home in the earring.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, here's the connection. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: even the button I phoned says on it home homemade
Speaker 1: with love. Oh wow, that's what the that's what the
Speaker 1: I mean. It's clearly a button that you would like
Speaker 1: sew on a jacket or something, but it says, yeah,
Speaker 1: homemade love on it, And I'm thinking, what the heck?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just cool stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, when did your second sighting happen?
Speaker 1: Okay, so my first sighting was June July twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: The second sighting was more into winter, so I want
Speaker 1: to say, like augustinter decemberish, I head out to this
Speaker 1: hiking area where i'm ben for the last year and
Speaker 1: a half now, and I went to the other side.
Speaker 1: There's two different ways, two different access ways to get
Speaker 1: there by car, and I decided I'm going to go
Speaker 1: on the east end access versus the west end. And
Speaker 1: did I decide that or did somebody nudge me to
Speaker 1: go there? I think I was nudged. But it's winter,
Speaker 1: but it's not a like cold winter day, not a
Speaker 1: whole lot of snow on the ground. It's probably i'd say,
Speaker 1: in the forties. So I take the east access point,
Speaker 1: get out of my vehicle, I start down the trail,
Speaker 1: and this trail from this side loops off to You
Speaker 1: can either go left or right because all these trails
Speaker 1: kind of intersect with each other. And I said out loud,
Speaker 1: should I go left or should I go right? And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm going to go right. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it felt like I needed to go right
Speaker 1: or I was getting pushed right. But obviously because I
Speaker 1: started walking right, I'm probably a minute in and there's
Speaker 1: going to be this corner that's going to come up.
Speaker 1: It's going to be like a curve and I can
Speaker 1: see something bend it over. And at first, from where
Speaker 1: I was, because I'm not wearing my glasses, it looked
Speaker 1: like a guy was bending over wearing black. From where
Speaker 1: I was at this moment, it looked like black snowpants
Speaker 1: bending over away from me. Now, keep in mind, I've
Speaker 1: told them over and over, please, if you're going to
Speaker 1: show yourself to me, don't scare me.
Speaker 2: Don't don't do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do it in a way where I'm gonna go,
Speaker 1: Holy f I'm just I'm gonna have a heart attack.
Speaker 1: I'm fifty eight years old. I don't need this. So
Speaker 1: as I'm getting closer, I'm realizing that's hair, that's fur soless.
Speaker 1: Somebody's wearing long, furry boots. And I'm getting closer and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm this is my second sighting. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: And I'm trying not to get like I'm I'm nervous
Speaker 1: and I'm anxious. And I did stop because again I'm stopping,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know should I turn around
Speaker 1: and go back or should I keep going forward? So
Speaker 1: I just keep pushing myself forward because I mean, even
Speaker 1: though at this point, I shouldn't be scared, and I'm
Speaker 1: not scared. I still get that immediate oh my god,
Speaker 1: what am I seeing? It stands up and it starts
Speaker 1: walking fast, and I was like, now I'm going to
Speaker 1: have to walk faster to keep up because there's going
Speaker 1: to be a corner coming up, and then at that
Speaker 1: next corner it wies off to the left or the right,
Speaker 1: But those whys are so long that by the time
Speaker 1: I catch up around this corner, I'm going to see
Speaker 1: which way it went unless it's you know. And I've
Speaker 1: got this all going in my head as I'm picking
Speaker 1: up my pace now because I want it. As it's
Speaker 1: rounding the corner, walking away from me, standing straight up.
Speaker 1: I get to that corner, it's gone. It is gone,
Speaker 1: and it's gone, and I'm like, okay, now I'm going
Speaker 1: to start running because if it made it to the why,
Speaker 1: it had to go right or left. But the right
Speaker 1: left is so long that I'm going to see it running.
Speaker 1: So I get to the why. Nothing, it's gone. So
Speaker 1: I backtracked and I don't see any I don't see
Speaker 1: any tracks, nothing in the snow. I backtrack to where
Speaker 1: I saw it stand up and start walking away from me,
Speaker 1: and I don't see any prince. I don't see where
Speaker 1: it went. But this one was taller than the Juvie,
Speaker 1: darker black, but still not very wide, more broad shouldered
Speaker 1: than the first one. But where did it go? Where
Speaker 1: did he go? And I mean, through the years, I've
Speaker 1: heard deep swishes in the woods when I'm out there,
Speaker 1: I see branches moving, I've seen I've seen things that
Speaker 1: I'm attributing to Sasso because it's not going to be
Speaker 1: a bear. It's not going to be a deer, not
Speaker 1: when it's that heavy, not when it's that much of
Speaker 1: a swoosh. But then there's times like this where I
Speaker 1: start picking up my pace and it's gone. So I
Speaker 1: either took off in the woods or hit the y
Speaker 1: and it went in the woods. It was just so
Speaker 1: if I was wrong and it wasn't a sasquatch and
Speaker 1: it was a human, how did it get away from
Speaker 1: me so quick? I would have seen it, because the
Speaker 1: trail is a straight shot once you get to that.
Speaker 1: Why both ways, nobody's running that fast away from me.
Speaker 1: So that was, yeah, a different color, similar stature, but
Speaker 1: wider in the shoulders. But I'm getting the back view,
Speaker 1: not the front view. And you know Who's what am
Speaker 1: I going to do? Pull out my phone and take
Speaker 1: a picture. Why don't I think of these things?
Speaker 2: Nobody does. I don't care who you are. Nobody does.
Speaker 1: It's with me. Yeah, And I have another another story
Speaker 1: about a tree, the mushroom tree. A lot of people.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just an Upper Michigan, Michigan
Speaker 1: across this parallel where we live. But there's this medicine
Speaker 1: mushroom that's on a tree called Chaga. And then there's
Speaker 1: another one called polyvor or poly I think it's called Polyvorn.
Speaker 1: I might have pronounced that wrong. But it grows on
Speaker 1: birch trees. Polypor and chaga. They grow on birch trees
Speaker 1: and Native American cultures use them to make tea and tinctures.
Speaker 1: And this was going to this would be now between
Speaker 1: my first and second sighting, so this would be late
Speaker 1: fall twenty twenty three. I'm walking through the forest on
Speaker 1: a different trail that loops with one of the other
Speaker 1: trails on the west side. It's an old railroad grade,
Speaker 1: and I see this old birch tree and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it's either Chaga or polyport. It's one of the two.
Speaker 1: I get them mixed up and I'm like, oh, look
Speaker 1: it there, and I'm saying this out loud. There's some
Speaker 1: medicinal mushroom on that tree. Too bad, I can't reach it.
Speaker 1: And I was trying to figure out a way. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to climb this tree because there's no
Speaker 1: way to climb it. It's just a straight and it
Speaker 1: was an older birch tree. The top of it was
Speaker 1: like the very top of it was gone, but it
Speaker 1: had all these medicinal mushrooms on it. But the closest
Speaker 1: one was definitely not within my reach because I would
Speaker 1: have had to go off of the grade and then
Speaker 1: I would have been down in kind of a ditch,
Speaker 1: and there was no way for me to get to
Speaker 1: this one that would have been at the you know,
Speaker 1: the base of the base of the tree. I still
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be able to reach that. So I'm
Speaker 1: standing there and I'm going it'd be really great if
Speaker 1: I could get some of that and bring it home
Speaker 1: and make tinctures, because I've done that before. And I
Speaker 1: said that out loud, and I'm standing there looking at
Speaker 1: it for a little bit, and then I was just like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to keep walking because you know, it's
Speaker 1: just kind of a bummer. I can't reach that. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Three four days, five days later, I'm back
Speaker 1: out at the same trail, and the tree had been
Speaker 1: pushed over, and I look around and I go, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is coincidence, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is just nature. I don't you know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to debunk it, because back in the paranormal field,
Speaker 1: I tried to debunk pretty much everything before I would
Speaker 1: subscribe to it being supernatural. I'm sitting there going, okay,
Speaker 1: one of two things. The Sasquatch folk heard me when
Speaker 1: I was out here talking the other day about how
Speaker 1: much I wanted the medicinal mushroom and I just couldn't
Speaker 1: reach it, and they knocked the tree over for me,
Speaker 1: or nature did it one of the two. But I
Speaker 1: ended up getting some medicinal mushroom to take home.
Speaker 2: I mean, again, what are the odds? I mean, what
Speaker 2: are the odds? Really? The exact tree, not just a
Speaker 2: random tree, but the exact tree, the.
Speaker 1: Exact tree, and where it was snapped off was like
Speaker 1: right in them, so it would have been about seven
Speaker 1: feet up snapped off, and then the top of it
Speaker 1: was laying on the ground, and there was all kinds
Speaker 1: of mushrooms, you know, on there that I could take
Speaker 1: home and dry out and make tea. It's one or
Speaker 1: the other. It's either the Sasquatch folk or it's not
Speaker 1: nature did it. And I'm leaning towards the Asquatch, of course,
Speaker 1: But that and that isn't that doesn't known it. And
Speaker 1: that is one of the areas where I have felt
Speaker 1: their energy before too. So you know, within thirty foot
Speaker 1: radius there, I've had rocks thrown at me. Not at me,
Speaker 1: but thrown I don't want to say at me, like
Speaker 1: they were trying to hit me, but rocks, you know,
Speaker 1: thrown in my path.
Speaker 2: You said something earlier that caught my attention that I
Speaker 2: have to ask about.
Speaker 1: Okay, aliens, Oh, aliens, Yeah, what about it? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: when I start talking about the alien stuff, then it
Speaker 1: gets really because the alien stuff didn't start until after
Speaker 1: the Big Foot showed up in my life.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: So I'm still digesting that. And that's a whole like
Speaker 1: it's like dog Man. Dog Man showed up in the
Speaker 1: paranormal world.
Speaker 2: In the paranormal world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had more than one dog man encounter. I
Speaker 1: think I've had, well, there's two encounters with this family
Speaker 1: that I was working with because they needed to deal
Speaker 1: with some of their stuff. That's a paranormal story for
Speaker 1: like I don't know a movie, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: the dog man that was attached to their family, there
Speaker 1: was two encounters, and then I've had one encounter where
Speaker 1: I live now. But the alien stuff didn't start showing
Speaker 1: up until after Bigfoot, and I don't put too much
Speaker 1: attention there because yeah, I don't know where that's going
Speaker 1: to go. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to come back for a part
Speaker 2: two and talk about sure that stuff and the dog
Speaker 2: man stuff and the paranormal stuff and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Aliens and abductions would be wonderful.
Speaker 2: Oh and abductions, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Aliens, abductions, abductions showing up in my in my kitchen, yep.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just a normal. I'm just a normal
Speaker 1: girl walking around on this planet trying to be normal,
Speaker 1: which I'm not. My normal is normal to me.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're failing miserably if you're trying to be normal.
Speaker 2: I hate to burst your bubble. But you suck at
Speaker 2: being normal, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's yeah, it's an interesting it's an interesting life,
Speaker 1: it really is.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on and sharing your insight and
Speaker 2: your stories, and I look forward to having you back
Speaker 2: on for a part two.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for thanks for inviting me. I was. It
Speaker 1: was a blast. It's great. I can't wait. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to do part two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I got lots more questions.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, Hopefully I'll have some answers or I'll have
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: And if you've had your own experience with sasquatch or
Speaker 2: the paranormal, or aliens or anything else you can't explain,
Speaker 2: send me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find
Speaker 2: links to social media, merchandise, past episodes, everything you need,
Speaker 2: all in one place. And until next time, remember there's
Speaker 2: something in the woods.