Speaker 1: This is the part that I never forget, and every
time I talk about it, I get the chills because
it was so crazy. We have a good two to
three blocks before we get back to the parking lot,
and we start hearing this. It's a call, it's a scream,
it's a holler. I don't know what we're hearing, but
it is unlike any vocal I've ever heard up until
this point that I'm like, what is that? And she
looks at me and we're like, what is that? And
we heard it all the way back to the parking lot.
The hair on the back of your neck is up,
and you're like, I don't know what this is. I
started doing research animal calls, and it's now, I don't know,
one two o'clock in the morning, and I'm just trying
to find something that sounds similar to what we heard,
and I thought, you know, for the heck of it,
I'm just gonna I'm just going to google bigfoot calls
and see what comes up.
Speaker 2: This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt and joining
me is Tammy. Tammy is from Michigan. I believe, yep, yep, okay.
I wanted to make sure I knew that you originally had,
you know, your encounter in Michigan, but I didn't know
if you were still there or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just go back to that to kind of
get started. Twenty sixteen in Michigan, I believe you were hiking.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. So a lot
of times when people say Michigan, they equate that with
Lower Michigan because that seems to be, you know, Michigan
to most people. But I live in the what they
call the UPE Upper Michigan. So that's where I still live.
I don't live in the same location where I had
my initial experience, but I'm only an hour and a
half west from there where I currently reside. But yeah,
I'm in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
Speaker 2: I mean, from what I understand is it's pretty remote
and still wild, isn't it. I mean, is there a
lot of modernization up there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? There is. Well, Sue Saint Marie, Michigan is there.
I think the second see I don't even know my
history here. The second largest city in the up. I
could be wrong. Marquette, Michigan is hour and a half
north of me, which is a pretty large. It's college town,
pretty large, diverse of a lot of I mean it's diverse.
It reminds me of it's like a Chicago to New
York rolled into thirty thousand people. Oh okay, and then
with a lot of hiking and biking. There's there's a
little bit of everything in Marquette, Michigan, and the same
with Sue Saint Marie. But for the most part, it
is pretty remote. There's the Porcupine Mountains, There's Copper Harbor.
There has been there's been quite a few reports made,
Bigfoot sightings up here, dog man, alien encounters. So I
mean there's there's there's been a lot of reports all
over the map on different things, but it is it
is pretty remote. I mean, the town that I'm living
in right now, I think only has four thousand people
in it. Oh, but a lot of woods.
Speaker 2: Was Bigfoot something on your mind or anything that you
gave thought to before all this started?
Speaker 1: No, Actually, before I had my first encounter back in
twenty sixteen, I was well, I kind of you know,
single mom, working three jobs, one of them as a
psychic medium, working in the wedding industry, working in the
financial realm, you know, a little bit everything, going back
to college, got my social work degree. Very comfortable in
the paranormal world, regardless of all the normal, so called
normal things I was doing, like social work and stuff
like that, but very very comfortable in the paranormal field,
doing readings, getting called to come to people's property and
assess what kind of spirits they might have on their
property or entities. Very comfortable with that because I've been
communicating with those that have passed since i was a child,
so doing that kind of stuff, I was very comfortable.
I was just kind of thinking, no, I'm gonna, you know,
be doing like three jobs the rest of them my
life and whatever. And then decided to do a night
hike in an area that I had been hiking for
probably a couple of years. But one of my friends,
who had been hiking in this area more than me
and knew the area really well, called me up and said, hey,
you want to go for a night hike. And I'm
pretty sure it was on Thanksgiving Day, And if I
look back at my BFROL report that was published, I
think it was like Thanksgiving Day, November twenty six, twenty sixteen.
If I believe, we went on a night hike to
this popular hiking trail nine Loops, about twenty minutes away
from where I was living at that time, and there
was no you know, what are we going to run into?
This is we're going to go on and we're going
to go on a night hike. I think there was
a full moon, and both of us really enjoyed being
on doors. So we get to this hiking trail, we
pull up into the parking lot and it's I want
to say, it had to be anywhere between seven and nine.
And like I said, if I look back at my report,
I'm going to know what time it was. But a
lot has happened in eight years. So we pull up
in the parking lot and get out of her vehicles.
Because I met her there, there was no one else.
This is and this is important, there was no one
else in the parking lot. Typically people do not hike
out there at night because it is extremely wooded. It's
a little spooky at night, and if you don't like
the night, or if you're afraid of the dark, it's
not a place you're going to go hike at night.
So we get out there and she actually made a
joke at the beginning of the trail, we started walking
about seeing Bigfoot, and I kind of just kind of
ignored that whole you know. I was just like, well,
maybe we'll see fairies, because at this point in the game,
I talked to people who had supposedly had faery interactions,
and I thought, well, maybe we'll see fairies. You know.
We were just kind of laughing as we started walking
down the trail, and then we get to an area
where the road, the trail itself goes across a bridge
and then it wies off and you can take different routes,
and we decided to take a right now. I grew up.
I got to back up a little bit here. I
grew up on eighty acres in a hunting family, so
I don't have a fear of the dark. I used
to night hike with my dad when he would hunt,
and so being out there at night didn't bother me.
And I also kind of know animal sounds. So as
we're walking along this trail, I hear something. We both
heard something walking, and I knew it was something that
was on two feet. I could just tell by the
way the way it was walking it was two feet.
It wasn't four. Growing up in a hunting family and
being out in the woods, and my friend was like,
I wonder what that is, and I'm like, oh, it's
probably just a deer. And I said that because I
didn't want her to freak out and run back to
the bark a lot. It was like I kind of
wanted to keep walking, you know, So I was like, well,
I think it's just a deer, but I knew in
the back of my mind it wasn't because I could
tell it was bipedal or on two feet. So then
we we keep walking on this one loop and we
both see this I guess you would call it eye shine.
We see this orb or eye shine up in It
has to be up in a tree because we are,
you know, five feet tall each of us, and we're
seeing this thing that is so bright off to our
left because the noise was on the right and then
this orb was on the left and it was just
this big, bright, white light. And she was making comments
like maybe it's somebody with a headlamp. I'm like, up
in a tree, you know, it's making it's maybe it's
a three wheeler light. I'm like, up in a tree,
I don't know what that is. But it's kind of
up in the tree, and it's high up in a tree,
and we went next to the ridge yet, so I
mean it had to be at least twelve to fifteen
feet up in a tree, and it was stationary, it
wasn't moving, and I always just kind of like, I
just kept walking. So we just kept walking and we
get around to an area where there's a fire pit
back on like the second loop, and we're just sitting there.
There's a bench and we were sitting there just talking.
It's dark, and you'd think by this point, you know,
I'm in my back of my mind, I'm going, Okay,
whatever it was back there was on two feet and
then we see this orb thing. You'd think one of
us would have been thinking we should just get out
of here, but no, we're gonna go sit on this
bench and a fire pit and we're just gonna hang
out for like probably a good hour, maybe a little longer.
And then we decide we're going to head back to
the parking lot. And I didn't know any different route
to get back because I didn't know the trail back
there as well as she did, so I was kind
of like, well, which way do you want to go,
and so I'm kind of following her back and we
kind of made a big loop. So the way we
came in, when we came back out by the bridge,
we came on the on the left, so we came around,
so we went right instead of left, but then we
came back on the left, so it's like we made
this big circle and this is this is where. This
is the part that I never forget and every time
I talk about it, I get the chills because it
was so crazy. We walk across the bridge and now
we have a good two to three blocks before we
get back to the parking lot, and we start hearing
this and I don't I still do this day. What
do you call it. It's a call, it's a scream,
it's a holler. I don't know what we're hearing, but
it is unlike any vocal I've ever heard up until
this point that I'm like, what is that? And she
looks at me and we're like, what what is that?
And it was like at first I was like, Okay,
there's an animal hurt in the woods and it's dying.
Or so we kind of hurried our pace a little
bit because we've had a little ways to go to
get back to our cars, and we heard it all
the way back to the parking lot, and we knew
that we were moving away from it because the closer
we got to the cars, the less we could hear it.
But it was still I don't know what you know,
I don't know what you call it. I mean, it
was the hair in the back of your neck is up,
and you're like, I don't know what this is, but
it's something. So we get back to our cars and
I'm going through animals in my head, you know, like kyote, mountain, lion, fox,
dear cow. I can't come up with it. I'm like,
I don't know what this is or what what? And
so we get in our cars and I mean, it
was weird because we were both kind of scared, but
not really because it's almost like when you hear something
that's so freaking strange, you kind of freeze, but yet
I don't know. It's like you'd think at this point,
even earlier in the night, we would have like not
even stayed out there, but we did. And then so
we get in our cars and I said to her,
I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna do some research. Because
I cannot like, should we go back? Is that animal dying?
Should we try and help it? I mean there was
even a point where I was like, is something hurt?
So about twenty minutes for me to get home? Ten
fifty twenty, about twenty minutes for me to get home.
And then I started doing research animal calls. And it's now,
I don't know, one two o'clock morning, and I'm just
trying to find something that sounds similar to what we heard.
And I thought, you know, for the heck of it,
I'm just gonna I'm just going to google bigfoot calls
and see what comes.
Speaker 2: Up, just for fun, just for fun.
Speaker 1: Yep, just gonna google bigfoot calls on my laptop and
see what happens. And I was listening to various calls
that were uploaded on YouTube, and now this is a
whole new world for me. I'm like thinking to myself,
I'm literally sitting here looking for bigfoot calls. It's just
to me, it was like, okay, and it came across
a vocalization that was captured. I think, I think Rainier, Washington.
There's a call that it sounded almost exactly like. And
when I clicked on that and I heard that. I
immediately texted my friend and I said, I'm going to
send you this and I want you to listen to it.
I want you to tell me is this what we
heard or is this what we not heard? I want
to know because I'm thinking this is pretty damn close
to what we heard out there. So she listened to it,
she said, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's I'm like, are
you kidding me? Did we did? Did we did we
hear bigfoot? Like? What? Really? So it took me a
while to wrap my head around the fact that we
were in company of bigfoot sasquatch that night.
Speaker 2: In a place that you had been to numerous times before.
M never yeah, never anything.
Speaker 1: No, and you'd think that, And of course my mind
is going, you know, I'm a psychic medium, I know energies.
Why why do I not know this energy? Why am
I not? And I mean, obviously now I understand why
I didn't. I mean, like I said, this has been
an eight year journey. I understand for the most part
why I wasn't able to pick up on what kind
of energy that was. But back then, I was like,
why is bigfoot jumping into my life? I mean, sure,
is this really bigfoot? What? It became a very confusing situation.
So then I don't know how long it was After that,
because it had to be pretty close, I started seeking
out people I could talk to about it. Jenny was
pretty much remaining I don't know if anonymous is the world.
I was more, I need to talk to somebody. I
need to get confirmation that I'm not nuts. So I
want to say I was watching news, a news thing
on TV or probably on my phone or something. I
was watching like a news clip of a local bigfoot
researcher that runs a group up in the Upper Peninsula,
and he was doing a clip on the local news
about bigfoot calls and that he runs an organization. So
I reached out to him and we arranged a time
to get together so I could tell him the story,
and he decided that he was going to get it
published through the bfr old and so it ended up
getting published in the following year, in twenty seventeen. It
ended up getting published, so it's on the database. It's
in the database. So then I ended up joining the
Upper Peninsula Bigfoot Research Sasquatch organization. I ended up joining
that group for a while and going on a couple
of expeditions when I was obviously very new to the
whole Bigfoot world. And there's obviously there's a lot of fear.
There's also a lot of compassion and loving. I mean,
I've over the eight years I've witnessed in people who
are involved in this field everything from oh my god,
they are bad to oh my god, they are the
most loving creature on the planet. Yeah, And at this
point in my life, I'm over here and they are
the most loving being on the planet. And I feel
protected when I'm in the woods. So I started out
with I don't know what this is, and then some
of the gifting that went on early on freaked me out.
But now I'm over in the other camp.
Speaker 2: Well, first off, I want to go back to the
call that you heard, Okay, Was it the same call
being repeated over and over? Was it one kind of
long call?
Speaker 1: It was the same call being repeated over and over.
It would it would be like that screaming howly it
sounded like a dying cow. I don't know how else
to say it. And then it would start over. It
would be like this long call. But then it would
start over and it did that until we left. I mean,
I don't know if it was continuing after we left,
of course, but all the way to from where we
started hearing it to when we got to the parking lot.
Speaker 2: When you first heard it, about how far away would
you think it was?
Speaker 1: It was probably not too far from where we were
when we were at the fire pit. It just waited
because it felt from when we were at the bridge
point and we started hearing it, it sounded a good
I don't know, maybe a quarter of a mile away, No, no,
maybe half I'm not really good with lengths, and like
maybe it had to be closer to where the fire
pit was, and it took us. It took us about
ten minutes to get from the fire pit to the bridge. Okay,
so it was a ways back, I mean loud.
Speaker 2: Do you think the one that you heard was the
same one that was walking around earlier?
Speaker 1: No, okay, no, I think it was separate, two separate.
I think the one on the one walking next to
the river because of this trail on the right would
have been a ravine and a river. When we crossed
the bridge and we took a right, there'd be the left,
which would be wooded and on the right there would
be a little bit like a ravine and a river,
So the one on two feet was on the right,
and then when we made our trek back to that
fire pit, that would have been far. Yeah, I feel
like it was two separate and I look back now,
and I mean, I've had other experiences before we moved.
I had five years of experience in that because once
I had the initial experience and I started to feel
comfortable exploring the Sasquatch realm, I would spend lots of
time out there alone, gathering my own evidence, collecting pictures,
doing gifting stuff to see what would happen. A couple
of really crazy gifting stories. And then at some point
before we moved to where we live now, my son
and I the telepathic communication stuff started.
Speaker 2: So you were very well versed, as you said, in
the paranormal, very experienced whenever it came to those sort
of things. So you see this orb it was different
than anything paranormal you had experienced. What kind of feelings
did you get from it? Anything?
Speaker 1: It was different in the sense that it was more solid,
and it was bright, and it was it had that
feeling of I don't know what This is versus if
I someone was to so back then, if someone was
to hand me a picture and say, tell me what
you think. Do you think these are orbs in this picture?
Or do you think this is dust? And I'd say
ninety nine percent of the time, I'm pretty good at
saying that's dust, that's just a bug. No, that is
an orb, that is some spiritual energy. So seeing this
bright shining orb or light in the up in the air,
stationary or in a tree, it had an unknown feeling
to it. I was like, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: This is, all right, So let's fast forward. Now you're
feeling comfortable in the Sasquatch realm, you're going out there.
Did you immediately start gifting or how did that come about?
Speaker 1: First expedition was just getting in the flow of being
around other people who are in the Sasquatch field that
I'll do and all agree, well, right, And another reason
why I don't do expeditions anymore because of the I like,
it's a matter of you know, I need to be
I think, you know, it's like finding your tribe, right.
Being with people that have the same opinions kind of
helps the cause versus everybody having a different opinion. Second
expedition I went on. There was a group of us
walking down and this would be the second expedition that
similar at a location that three hours west of where
I live right now, No East, a popular expedition area
in the Upper Peninsula. Second time there, a few of
us were walking down the road. It's a very remote campground,
it's rustic, and I noticed this rock on the ground
and I was going to pass it up, and I
backed up and I looked at it and I said, oh,
there's some etching on this rock. And I'm making a
long story kind of shortened up because it was an
interesting weekend. And I picked it up and I was like,
there's etching on this rock, and it just I'm going
to keep it. And there was a few people in
the group that was like, yeah, I should probably keep that.
It was probably meant for you to keep. And so
later on that evening I passed it around. Everybody at
the campground was taking a look at the rock and
coming up with their opinions on what they thought the
etching was, because it did look like a dragonfly, and
that resonates with this whole journey I'm on. And then
there's Most people were like, it's a dragonfly. It looks
like somebody etched a dragonfly on it. And of course
my curiosity curiosity was like, well, why would I get
a rock with an etching on it? Why did I
see this? All these questions, you know, And then I thought, well,
when I get done with this expedition, I'm going to
touch base with the Native American couple that gave me
my Native American name. And I had been in touch
with them off and on once the big Foot stuff started,
because it seems that Native Americans have a really good
understanding of Sasquatch people and there's a lot of groundedness
with Native American theories and ideas with them. So I thought, well,
I'm just touched base with the couple that gave me
my name and see what they think. So I got
back from the expedition and I touched base with them,
and we were actually on the phone and I sent
them a picture and they said what do you think?
What do you think this is? And I gave them
the you know, went on an expedition found this rock
and the the man his name is Bruce. It's Bruce
and Pat. They're a couple and they are the ones
who gave me my Native American name. And he said, well,
it's obvious that the rock was meant for you. It's
a dragonfly, and they probably knew you were coming back
because you'd been there before. And I'm like, what really,
you know, kind of like you're kidding me. They're going
to know that I'm coming back and that's a gift.
How crazy is that? And like what am I supposed
to do with it? You know? And he said, well,
I suggest you go back to your where you had
your initial experience and wash the rock in a stream,
thank the Sasquatch for giving you the gift, and bring
a gift. Bring. Now, this is just such a crazy story.
And when I repeat this story, I just think this
is nuts, but it is not. They're like, bring, bring
some squash and some blueberries to the river, wash the rock,
and thank the Sasquatch people for remembering you giving you
the rock. And you know, okay. So I'm like, all right,
I'm going to do that, not thinking, you know, I'm
just like, okay, I'm going to go back to where
I had my initial experience with my friend, go the river.
So I go to do that, and then I'm still
in touch with the the UPRVR group where I live,
just keeping them, keeping the guy who organizes the group
in the loop because he wanted to know how things
were going with the rock and stuff and what I
was going to do with it. So I go there,
I wash the rock. I bring a squash and a blueberry,
and I'll be honest with you. At this time, I'm thinking,
this is this is kind of nuts. I am at
a river where I had the initial weird thing and
I'm washing a rock. This just seems really nuts.
Speaker 2: I've been there. I've been there. That's all I can say.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's nuts anymore. But like then, you know,
I'm like, what is going on? And what is this
world I'm jumping into? Just so I leave, I do
the thing, I leave, go back to my life. You know,
I'm do it, just being being me, just working in college,
raising my son, doing my thing. And the guy's name
is Rich the organization, guy from the Upper Peninsula Bigfoot
Research Organization, just shoots me texten on A week later, Hey,
why don't you go back and check where you did
the washing the rock and see if anything's different. I'm like,
why would I do that? Just go do it? Okay.
So here I go, driving out to this location, walking
fifteen minutes in the woods to the river by myself,
and I go to check and see if anything's different.
The squash is gone and the blueberries are gone. And
I figured they would. I figured a deer was either
going to eat them or woods animals, I don't know.
But I couldn't find any remnants. I couldn't find any
remnants of the squash. I couldn't find any remnants of
the blueberries. And I'm looking pretty hardcore for remnants because
I thought i'd at least see maybe part of the
squash that I left there. And my vision went to
the river, which is, you know, a foot in front
of me, and I see a dead deer in the
river with its neck broken and its leg's broken. And
they went to myself, well, this can't be coincidence, because
why would there be a deer. The river is not
even a foot deep at this area. It's very shallow.
I could walk in there if I wanted, So I'm
trying to give you a visual the very shallow on
the side of the shore there, and I'm like, okay,
there's a dead deer that looks pretty beat up. So
I call Rich on the phone actually and said, hey,
I'm a little nerved out right now. There is a
dead deer in the river where I gifted blueberriers are gone,
squash is gone. And before I had a chance to
say anything to me, said is its neck broken? Like
what do you guys want making me walk into I'm like, yes,
its neck is broken and its legs are broken, and
it actually looks like something grabbed it on the hind quarter.
I don't I'm like, I don't know. Should I run?
Speaker 2: Clearly? Rich hit a deer with his car, carried the
deer to the gifting location, and planted the whole thing.
That's got to be the.
Speaker 1: Right, right, So I was like, okay. He's like, it
sounds like you got gifted a deer. I said, what
he says, It sounds like you were gifted a deer
in return for the squash and the blueberries.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good swap, by the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, well, what if I don't want a deer?
Because this is where my brain goes, what if I
didn't want a deer? He's like, well, you got a deer.
I'm like, well, I don't know how to feel about this,
and is something going to come flying out of the
woods now at me? Because at this point I was
still kind of in the fear. I don't know what
this is all about. I don't know what to expect,
because what you don't know, you don't know, right, And
so I'm like, well, I'm going to high tail it
out here because I don't know what's going on and
I'm not so sure I don't need a deer. And
then he made the commed He says, well, how big
is the deer? I said, it's a small one. It's
not like it's a fawn or anything, but it's not
very big. He says, do you think it weighs about
as much as you? And I said, what like one
hundred pounds? I said maybe. He says, it sounds like
you got gifted a deer that's about your size, And
I'm like, what is that relevant to? So I hiked
held it out of there because I was kind of
freaked out. I left. Didn't take me long to get
back to the parking lot. It didn't take me that
fifteen minutes. I mean, I was like, I don't know
what to think right now and what is going on.
So I want to say within that there was like
a couple of weeks in between the next visit where
I was just kind of okay, I got gifted a deer.
And then I started talking to other people in the
in the Bigfoot realm, all over the MA. You know
people that are like, oh my god, they killed a deer.
You should be careful. It's going to get you next.
And then I had other people knowing you got gifted
a deer. It's an honor. You should be honored, and
it is. Like I said, at this point, I was
still I don't know where I'm at with all this
because I wasn't tuning into their frequency. I didn't know
their frequency yet. I just knew that I didn't know
what this was, so I don't know. A week or
two goes by and Rich messaged me again and he says,
you should go back out there see if the deer
is still there. Well, I got to back that up
a little bit. We did go back there and took
the deer out of the river and put it on
the shore. Forgot to tell you that, because that is
very important. I did not go back alone. Next time,
I had Rich come with me. We took the deer
out of the river, we put it on the shore.
Then a week later he says, you need to go
back out there and you need to see if the
deer is still there. And I'm like, I don't want
to go back out there and see if the deer
is still there. But I did go back out there.
Bring my phone with so I can take pictures. And
I have pictures of each phase, the blueberries, the squash,
the deer in the river, the deer on the shore.
It's called documentation for my own sanity.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: And then I come back and the deer is gone,
and there is no sign of it. There's no fur like,
there's no there's absolutely no sign of the deer. It
is gone. Call Rich on the phone. It's not here.
He says, does it look like it got drug out
or carried out? I said, there's no drag marks anywhere.
Somebody must have picked it up. But who's going to
pick it up? And how com I not seeing any footprints.
I don't see where somebody would have taken it out.
It's just gone. That was the deers. That's the deer story.
The rock slash deer story. I didn't gift after that food.
I don't. I don't gift food anymore, I really don't.
I really don't want dead animals in return. I don't
gift food. I will gift rocks, I will gift feathers.
I will do rock formations in return of rock formations,
I'll do stick words. But I don't, and I mean,
I the current, the current sasquatch group that I interact
with now we know each other very well, and I mean,
over the years, I've learned to be very clear, you know,
please don't gift me animals. I don't want dead animals.
So that and I don't and I don't gift animals
or gift you know, food. So because that was a very,
it was a very I was very scared for quite
a while on that one. So what changed, Well, I
did a podcast with Sasquatch Theory when I was still
in fear mode. The first the first one I did
with them, I was kind of fear. But on the fence,
I think it was a I think it was a
gift in return, but I don't really know. I'm trying
to think where this started to change, Mostly because I
would go out there, and I would have buttons in
the like. There's different areas I would go out to
this hiking trail that nobody is willing to go to
because it's deep in the woods and there's woodticks and
there's mosquitoes, and not everybody's willing to just kind of
like go into the woods and find a little spot
to sit and then make it your own right to
go back and sit. So you know, there's times I
would go back to these places and sit and there'd
be a button there. Who's gonna leave a button, you know,
a mile a mile in like a clothing button. How
would that get out there? We're like a baseball, a
major league looking tight baseball. Who's going to leave that
in an area where I'm pretty sure no other human
is gonna Just all these little gifts that I would
that I would get over the over the course of
the three four years that I spent there after the
deer and I would take people I would take. I'm
very selective who I take in the woods with me,
because I'm learning that if someone is not a good
intention thinks they need a gun, wants to go hunting,
there's not going to be any interaction. If I bring
someone with me who has good intention, curious, open minded,
doesn't want to kill anything, typically we'll have an experience together,
whether it's a call or a wood knock or a
tree a snap, or something left on the trail. I'm
just I'm trying to like think of when it really changed.
I think it's just been a progression. I think it's
been a progression of change because I didn't have I
had a lot of like third eye sightings because of
being a psychic medium. Once I started learning their energy,
I would see them in my third eye, not all
the time, because they're very good at cloaking and that
I have not changed my mind. They're so good at
like they don't want you to see them. You're not
going to see them. So for a long time, once
I learned their energy and their vibration, I'd get glimpses
in the third eye and I'd be like, Okay, they're
here today. And then I did a shamanic life coaching
training because besides being a social worker, I wanted to
I'm also into natural health, so I wanted to foster
the side of my brain that's into shamanic health stuff.
So I noticed a big change after I did a
Shamanic Life Coach training where I learned more shamanic type
healing stuff. Because it was shortly after that last year,
in June or July of twenty twenty three, I had
my first full on sighting without using without being a medium,
and that really changed the game for me. Like that
changed not that I didn't know they existed, not that
I didn't know they weren't there, but to see one
with my eyes versus my psychic I and then I
ended up doing my second podcast with Sashquatch theory to
get updated. There was like this update there was like
my first one and then it's like, Okay, now I
need to revisit some people that I have talked to
when I was still green, and now we're going to
go listen. I just had my first sight, my first
true sighting.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that. Was those that siting just
a random occurrence or was it elicited or how did
that come about.
Speaker 1: I spent about five years in the first location getting
to know the forest people, the Sasquatch, you know, everybody
calls them something a little different. I became very used
to their habits where we were living, and how they
would interact with me with the little gifts, or like
with the whistling at me when I'm out in the woods,
or the giggling when I walk by where I think
they are but I can't see them, but I can
feel them, And then moving to where we are now,
and in between that time doing this shamanic training, which
I don't I don't know if that's an aspect of
why things are different here. It just feels like they're
different here as well. But I was out hiking. So
when we moved, I get so excited when I talk
about this stuff. So when we moved, as we were
getting settled into our new place, I decided to do
some research on maps Google Maps. Where are the hiking
areas around where we live? Where where are the deep
wooded areas where I can go and see if I
can find me a new Sasquatch family and see where
they are. And so I thought, yeah, We're going to
go to this very wooded area. I'm about fifteen minutes
away from where I'm at right now, and there's a
fair amount of hiking trails that are very wooded. I'm
going to I'm going to start walking these trails and
see what I come up with. And I had already
started seeing clues on the first the first time in
this new area, I started seeing tree structures that I
knew were very characteristic of Sasquatch. I could feel there
was a Sasquatch energy out there, although it felt a
bit more intense than the previous location we lived in.
It was definitely Sasquatch energy, but it was it felt
not only like older, but felt more intense. So I thought, Okay,
this is probably going to be a good area to
get to know whatever Sasquatch group plan family might be
in this neck of the woods. And probably about January
February March April May, probably about five months of hiking
and looking at different structures I would find and getting
a sense of the energy. I just happened to be
out there one day walking and I was on the
phone with my mom walking one of the main trails,
and I'm on the phone with my mom and there's
this girl coming my way from the opposite direction, and
I can see something walking quite a ways behind her
that I thought was human at first, because she's only
twenty feet away from me, and she's coming from the
opposite direction, and I'm on the phone with my mom,
so I'm somewhat distracted. But when in the distance, I
can see something coming behind, not like right behind her,
but coming towards me just a ways. And so the
girl passed me, and I'm on the phone with my
mom and I'm like, what am I seeing? I mean,
like there was this whole I'm going to get off
the phone now because i think what I'm seeing is
not At first, it looked like a guy coming from
from a distance. It looked like a guy walking towards
on the trail. And then I'm realizing that this is
to me what i'd say now is probably a juvenile
or a younger, not a younger sasquatch, not like because
that's one was a tall, tall and thin, and from
my previous psychic visions of seeing them, I'd always see
bigger ones, bigger, wider. I don't think i'd ever really
seen a juvenile in my third eye, it was mostly
the adults. So I'm looking at this, what is a
bigfoot coming towards me? And I hurry up and get
off the phone with my mom, and it darts off
the trail because I think it recognized it, realized that
I saw it, and I'm like, okay, So then my
brain is trying to process that I'm not this is
not my psychic guy, this is my this is me seeing.
So I'm hurrying trying to get to where I saw
it dart off the trail, and I'm thinking, well, it
can't go far because it darted off the trail to
the right, which there's a lake there. It didn't dart
to the left, which would have been up the ravine
on another trail where I wouldn't have been able to
follow it. So I'm like, well, I'm going to be
able to see it when I get to where it
darted in, because it's the lake. And I get to
where it darted in and I cannot find it. I
can't see it. I don't know where it went. And
I'm looking and I'm looking, and I'm like, where are you?
Are you cloaking? I saw you? So I stayed around
that area for a while trying to but it disappeared.
And that was cool, I mean, you know, because I yeah,
that was cool. And it was tall and thin, the
face really didn't have a lot of hair. It was
just different looking than what I was used to seeing
where we used to live, So to me, it felt
like it was younger. There was a curiosity feeling that
went with him. Definitely felt like a male looked more
male than female. But it was young. It was a
younger one. You know. I'm thinking, like I had to
go by ages, you know, twenty, you know, if I
was to equate it with someone who's in their twenties versus,
oh my gosh, this being is feels eighty and ancient,
you know. So that was really interesting.
Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, what color was it?
Speaker 1: I want to say, like a brown with reddish, not
like a dark not like a dark brown, not like
a black, more of like a brown reddish. And like
I said, the face was. And I think that's what
threw me off from a distance was the face. I
didn't see hair on the face, and the shoulders weren't
as broad as what I'd been used to seeing in
the psychic guy back to the other locations. I was
just like, from a distance, I thought, oh, it's just
a guy. And then as I got closure, I'm like, no,
that is that's a sasquatch.
Speaker 2: Was the face are a lighter or darker than the body.
Speaker 1: Lighter. Yeah, if I was a sketch artist, I would
have sketched it by now. You know. I'd love to
be able to sketch these things because I do try
and then they just turn out looking really ridiculous. So
that was in June July of twenty twenty three. I'm
not sure when telepathic communications started. I want to say
it started back when we were living in the other location,
but it's accelerated here and I don't know if it's
and I don't know. I think and I swear like
all of us feel the same way. The more we
think we know, the more questions we have. Yeah, I
have some theories that I feel are pretty solid in
my opinion. You know, I'm pretty sure they use portals
because I've seen portals when I was knee deep or
knee deep head deep. I don't know how you want
to say it in the paranormal field. You know, when
I was doing paranormal stuff for people and i'd have
to close portals on people's property. You know, I know
what portals look like. So I'm convinced, and this is
my opinion that they have they use portals, and I
think it's the trees I think there's there's tree portals.
I mean, I think they're interdimensional. People have asked me
if I think they know alien know the aliens. I
don't know. I've had alien interaction. I don't know if
the aliens in the Sasquatch know each other. I'm still
learning myself. I just know that I don't fear them anymore.
I feel like they protect me when I'm out in
the woods. I feel like they're they're friends. They're like friends.
And but I'm not a threat either. You know, I
don't carry a gun, I have no intentions of harming anything.
I'm actually more afraid of humans than I am of
the Sasquatch, so.
Speaker 2: As you should.
Speaker 1: You know, it might be why I I get so many,
you know, I get so many so much cool interactions,
or I get you know, I get led to places
that I get to see things like bones from I
don't know, animals kind of shoved in like weird configurations
in a tree and we're just structures. I find a
lot of structures. I feel like I get led to
their structures, which I think is really cool that they
can intricate some of these branches to I mean, who's
going to take the time to weave all these branches
together and then the structure is going to be ten
feet high, you know. I mean, like, who's going to
do that?
Speaker 2: So I assume, which I shouldn't do. But I assume
once you figured out how to you know, tune into
their frequency, is that when the telepathic communication started, then
I'm that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there was before that. I just
didn't know, you know, because before when we were at
the old location, I would go out to the woods
when I felt the need to go out to the woods.
But I think it was I think there was a
lot of nudging me to come out and play. Because
now you know today today I didn't go out with
a knowdge. Today, I just went out in the woods
because I needed some hiking time away from my noisy
neighborhood we live in. But there's like the telepathic stuff
I've got. I have a whole little notebook of messages
they've related to me in this last year where I'll
go out and ask, is there anything you'd like to
tell me today? I think it's very important for me
to say that I live on their terms. I don't
make the terms. And I think that's where a lot
of people who want to get to know Sasquatch and
not live in fear. You have to be on their
terms and you have to not have any bad intentions
because they know you before you know you. They know
everything about you before you even think. I think they
know you before you know when you're out in the woods,
they know they know you like they I mean, I
feel like this is an ancient, intelligent species that you're
not going to pull the wole over their eyes. They're
going to hole over our eyes. I mean it's obvious
because if I can't see them half the time, they're
not letting me.
Speaker 2: So what's the telepathic communication?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Is it like a voice just pops in your head?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And what does it sound like? Does it sound like
a human voice of some human that you don't know, or.
Speaker 1: It sounds human and deep? And this also leads to
questions too, like do how many languages do they speak?
Or do they speak different languages to different people? Because
to me, they speak in English And there's times when
I get a message it sounds it sounds animalistic but human.
I don't want to say like monkey or ape like,
but there's like this tone that's it's English, but it's
it doesn't sound like it's just a guy talking to me.
You can tell that it's animalistic. I've only in co
under one female sasquatch, though in my journey so far
just one. The rest has sounded male. But their messages
are you know, when I get down, when I get
when I go to when I go to the woods,
and say, Okay, is there anything you would like me
to know today? Do you want to do? You want
to show me anything? And I say this. I've said
this a lot over the last eight years, but more
so the last three years, because I don't want to
be startled, and they know that. I mean, after that,
dear incidents, I'm sorry, I'm still a little freaked out.
Even though that was back then. There's just certain things
that kind of stay with you. And I'll say things like, hey,
just don't scare me. And I think that if it
would have been a twelve foot like seeing seeing a
big one in my in my psychic eye is different
than I think would be seeing one like. I think
seeing one that felt juvenile and younger and curious was
exactly what I needed to see, not to scare me.
But the messages are always very For example, I'm going
to go back to a message I was given during
the winter when I was out at the location i'm
at now, and I'm like getting scattered all over because
I got like ten different things I want to talk
to you about.
Speaker 2: I'm getting scattered all over? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: One of the most pronounced messages that I've received more
than once is love is the answer? What do you
want me to know today? Love is the answer? Okay, cool?
Thank you. We know you before you know yourself. Sooner
or later, we're going to get tired of being encroached on.
I've heard that makes sense. Yep. Another reason why when
I go to locations where I know they've set up
like their camp, so to speak, because there's different locations
where they have like places they gather, I will ask
for permission to step in. Is it okay that I'm
here today? Can I visit where you guys gather even
though you're I can't see you today. I wait for
a yes or no. Sometimes I've been told no, we
don't really want you here today. Okay. I respect that.
Speaker 2: This is a question that always comes to mind whenever
we're discussing this particular subject, and since you have your
background in the paranormal, you might be a really great
person to answer.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe.
Speaker 2: You're out there, you're basically eliciting a response because you're
asking a question, you get an answer. How do you
know it's coming from a bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Because I know their vibration. I know their vibration, I
know their energy.
Speaker 2: Another person might not though.
Speaker 1: Right right, And that's why it's important to get training
from either a shaman or someone who's really well versed.
Because if I back this up a little bit, before
I came out of the woodwork as a professional medium,
I was trained under a shaman for about ten years,
even though I was talking to those who had passed
since I was a child. When I decided to become
a professional medium, I trained under a shaman to hone
my skills. And then I have my Native American people
that gave me my Native American name too. They helped
me in the early stages with the you know, you
got to get on their vibration, okay, and that took
some time. That's why there's that's why there's no fear anymore.
Because I get their vibration. I understand like if I
go in the woods and I don't know when i'm if,
I don't know, because there's been instances where I'm out
and about and I don't know the energy I'm dealing with.
I will ask what is this? And there's times I
don't get answers. So then I just kind of like
close the door because there are times I don't want
to I don't want to know. And I used to
do that when I was doing a lot of medium
work too, where if I was there was an energy
I wasn't quite sure, I can close the door and
not deal with it.
Speaker 2: I just think it's very important because I mean, you
hear about these, you know, I don't know the right
word to use, really supernatural or paranormal experiences that people
have when dealing with bigfoot sasquatch, whatever the proper name is.
And Joe Blow can go out in the woods and
hear a voice or hear something whistling and be drawn
to that or think that they're having an interaction with
a bigfoot, but they might not be. It might be
something else, maybe using that as a lure, pretending to
be a bigfoot, because it knows your intent is to
have a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Interaction, right, right, yep, Yeah, that's why it's discernment and education.
And I know I used to talk about this in
the paranormal field. If you're going to be in the
paranormal investigator, you should probably get trained properly first before
you walk into a house full of spirits that you
don't know what kind of spirit you're dealing with. That's
a whole different That is a whole different f and subject.
I used to do. I used to do educational classes
on that and.
Speaker 2: Oh look you there, we just got cut off. Yeah,
see what happens. See what happens? Goosebumps? Is there something here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Trying to cause pretence?
Speaker 1: Right? You never know. But right when I first started
working with a paranormal team in the Upper Peninsula, all
of us had educated each other and we all had
like there's just things. I mean, if you don't know,
I mean, this is why it's important to have of
This is why it's important if you're going to be
a paranormal investigation team. There's some key rules to be
a good team. Notice I said the word good. You
have to have good intentions. You have to have your
own shit taken care of at least For the most part,
you have to be working on your own private personal
problems because you never know what you're going to walk
into that might want to attach to you before you leave.
And then you've got to know how to unattach things
if you're going to walk into a situation where there
might be some stuff that wants to attach to you,
and then you should have a good, reputable, solid ground
and medium on your team so that person can walk
in first and be like, this is what we're dealing with,
and this is how we're going to operate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's other things out there besides Bigfoot, is the point.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's entities. And I don't use the word demonic
very often because that's very rare. It actually is more
rare than people want you to believe. Just quit watching
TV and all the show and all the paranormal people.
Just stop. Demons are rare. They're not. But there's a
lot of different types of possessions that are entities that
are They could seem to demonic in nature, but they're not.
They're just a pain in the ass. Can I use
that word? You can? Yeah. You just gotta know, you
got to you gotta have you've got to be solid,
and everybody's kind of has to have their ship together.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I support I know we're kind of
going off trail here, but I'm just saying I think
it's important for people to realize that, you know, if
you're inexperienced whenever it comes to the paranormal, or maybe
not that knowledgeable, or maybe you're just out there looking
for Bigfoot, you're not even messing with ghosts. You know.
That's where of the mindset. You don't have to be
in a cemetery or an old creepy house to encounter things.
It can be the middle of nowhere, out in the woods.
So yes, you just have to be.
Speaker 1: Careful because there's there's you know, depending on what you
what a person personally believes in. But yeah, there is
other things out there. I mean, we could talk about
dog Man, we could talk about leprechauns. Could we could
talk about weird looking creatures that probably got slipped through
some portal somebody opened because they were being stupid. There's
a lot more out there.
Speaker 2: Back to the messages, any warnings, have you ever encountered
anything where it's.
Speaker 1: Like just there. The Sasquatch family that I currently interact
with where I live have said that at some point
they and I don't know if they're talking about their
whole species because I haven't asked, they are going to
be tired of being stalked and encroached on. And I'm like, oh, okay,
I'm glad that I respect your boundaries.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you think about it, you know, drones,
people going out in the woods. Yeah, big potters. Those
those who are just thrill seeking don't really understand the
depths of this whole situation. But if you meet them
on their terms and you have a good if you
have good intentions and you meet them on their terms,
they're the kindest, most compassionate you can like, they are
here to teach us that love is the answer. I mean,
that's profound. They are planet watchers. They're watching the planet,
so hey, cool, can you guys take care of some
of the crap that's going on the planet right now?
Speaker 2: Well, So, any insight onto what the structures mean, what
they're for, I think that's individual.
Speaker 1: I do I think that. I mean, I'm not. I mean,
I don't know if an X means the same thing
to me that it means to somebody else, and who
is to say that the family I'm dealing with their
ex doesn't mean something different than the ex over in Washington.
I don't know. See at least leads more questions for
me personally. And when I go out looking, looking, or
being led to a structure, I just show up at
the structure and go, wow, this is amazing. You guys
know what you're doing, Like how do you do it?
And sometimes I snap pictures and sometimes I don't. Sometimes
I just observe and look around. And sometimes I feel
like it's cool to snap pictures, and other times I
don't think they want me taking pictures. But I do
have one picture out of these eight years where I've
been photo bombed. If you look hard enough in the picture,
you can see the silhoe out of a sasquatch. It's
one of my favorite pictures. But out of eight years,
I've only been bomb once. I've only caught one one, well,
maybe two. There's another one that's kind of iffy way
back in the day, but one that I'm sure of
that I've got a picture of. The rest is just structures,
things they leave me, things I just find, whether it's
random or they led me there. I've had a couple
of gifts show up in my house. That's another subject.
How do they end up putting things in my house? Yeah,
when I'm not home, when I just visited them. But
I've talked to various other people who have had that
kind of you know, just there's been a there's a
thread out there of people who have had home interaction
telepathically or vocally. I gets there's smells too. I've had
different smells in the woods that I know. Are them
you being.
Speaker 2: A psychic medium? Depending on the school of thought, it
will just it's not something everybody does or has tapped into.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Do they all have these abilities that you're talking about,
like the telepathic communication or is it just certain ones
like it is with human.
Speaker 1: Big Are all big Foot telepathic? Is that what you're saying? Right,
I don't know.
Speaker 2: Are they I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's always, you know, kind of been one of my ponderings,
like maybe some of them can do the mind speaking,
other ones can't.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, let's say let's go with the theory
that they are human human like. They're not human, but
they're human like. So if they are human like, and
this is you know this is stuff I stood up
at night thinking about writing notes about if they're a
human like, that would mean that they grow up. They
start out as children and they learn as they go.
So maybe some of them don't have the telepathic because
they haven't grown into it yet.
Speaker 2: Could be?
Speaker 1: Could be?
Speaker 2: I mean, like you were talking about with the language thing,
how many languages do they speak? Yeah, that's one of
those things where like the more the more we think
we know, the more questions.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: For us, I was raised around English speaking people. I
heard it every day of my life. You start picking
up on it, then you go to school and you
learn grammar and all that. How would something like that
learn English? How would one learn English in one place
and one learn it in another place without it being
taught to them? Who talks to begin with?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And as it just they just know how to
adapt because that's how intelligent they are. I mean I
have friends who friends in other states that talk with
them in Ojibwe.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, I mean that'd be awesome. I should learn ojibway.
I'm supposedly Ojibwa.
Speaker 2: I heard a woman here in Oklahoma, she was Wichita,
and she said that they speak the language. Of whatever
tribe they live around. And I thought that was really
interesting because that would also translate to if they live
around English speaking people, they're going to speak English.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But again, is it something where we just have built
in psychic translators?
Speaker 1: Maybe? You know, maybe, because according to I don't know
something I read a long time ago, humans only tap
into some a tiny part of their intelligence, you know.
I mean everyone has psychic capabilities. I mean some of
us are born with it, others can, but everyone can
learn it. I mean there's there are world renowned psychic
mediums out there that teach others how to access their gifts.
So I mean everybody has the capability of tapping into
some I mean there's scope obviously, But yeah, what if
they're just such an advanced species that they can translate
the language they need to to so you understand them.
Speaker 2: So what are some of the more unique gifts that
you've found in your house or they that they've brought you?
I mean, I hope they didn't leave a dead deer
lane on the couch or anything.
Speaker 1: No, No, because I could gifting food. I'm not attempted
to gift food. I don't think ever, Again, I don't
know I can't say that, but so there was this
one day so July, June, July I had my first
full sighting. August September, October, December I had my second sighting.
By the way, I did have a second full sighting,
and this one looked different than the first one. So
somewhere after that second sighting January February, so February this year,
twenty twenty four around it was winter because remember I
was walking a trail that I should have had snowshoes on,
but I just said, screw it, I'm going to just
walk this trail in my boots because I want to
get to the lake. And it was a different side
of the trail that I hadn't been on in a while,
a lot of snow, and I was just walking along
and I heard a female say hi, not too far
away from where I had seen a structure before snow.
Speaker 2: Like actually said hi or telepath boot said hi, okay.
Speaker 1: And I had to stop and I had to do
my thing. And I had to do my thing. Was
this a ghost? Is this is this? What? What what
energy am I dealing with? So I had to stop
because it cut me off guard, which they that's what
they do, you know, I mean random, you know, And
I stopped and I was like, okay, I'm going to
feel into the energy. I'm like, oh, this is a
female sasquatch. Well this is okay, thank you, hi. And
I just went along my merry way because it was
winter and the snow was deep. And so then I
get home. This is just another one of those stories
where I'm like, she's crazy. So I get home and
I see an ear ring on my rug when I
walk in the door. That should not be there because
it's not my earring. Okay, now my earring. My son
is not here. He don't wear ear rings. He's at work.
And it's shiny and it's metal, and I'm like, where
did that come from? M I just had an interaction
with a female sasquorch. How did this earring get in
my on my carpet? Okay, we're gonna write, We're gonna
take notes. Now, we're gonna note put this in the notebook,
and we're gonna document this because someday I might write
a book I don't know, And you know, I have
to have a sense of humor about it, because this
kind of stuff is crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the heck.
Speaker 1: So I've told a few people about that story, which
they all think it's cool, because you know, I'm not
going to just tell some random person on the street
by the way, you know, or anybody in my family
who thinks I'm nuts.
Speaker 2: But I have a friend. I won't tell her name
because I don't know if she'd want me to, but
she's probably listening to this episode. I hope she has.
She'd better be. She finds those little, stretchy black hair
ties really everywhere. Now we've been discussing that, trying to
figure it out. She's enlisted my help trying to understand it.
She's someone who's had experiences with the paranormal her entire life.
We did meet through the Bigfoot world. She doesn't think
it's Bigfoot related at all. I don't think it's Bigfoot related. Uh,
it doesn't seem to have any connection to the Bigfoot.
But she told me she was finding them, and at
first I was like, oh, yeah, I see those hair
ties every now and then. But she only finds black ones,
and she has found hundreds hundreds. It's always just like
a random thing. She just looks down and there's one
lane there, wow. And we can't figure it out. We
don't know who's leaving them, why they're leaving them, what's
the message behind the leaving of the airbands.
Speaker 1: So she doesn't think it's sasquatch, no, no, just maybe
it's somebody who's passed away. That that's their clue. Yeah, right, yeah,
somebody that's passed away and that's their way.
Speaker 2: I mean as a point, I started paying attention trying
to find them, and I have found one, like the
past year where she's found dozens. I don't know, it's
it's weird.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's one. I wonder if it's one
of her guides or one of her like you know,
Guardian Angels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. There's another guy who is. He
was a Navajo ranger. He's pretty well known at this
point for him and his partner's involvement. They would investigate
paranormal encrypted things on behalf of the Navajo nation. And
he was in a paranormal investigation at some point inside
of a building and these coins started showing up like
loose pocket change. And he's still finding them, and he's
found like, you know, hundreds of dollars worth of quarters
and nickels and dimes that just like he'll leave the room,
come back in the room and there'll be like three
or four nickels laying on his desk just out of Yeah, yeah,
that must be nice. But everything start leaving, like one
hundred dollar bills or something, But that would be great.
But yeah, the whole phenomenon of materialization of physical objects
that are like clearly human, that's such a weird thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wouldn't have I would not have made
the connection if it wouldn't for the female, you know,
the interaction and then to come home in the earring.
It's like, Okay, here's the connection. I don't know. I mean,
even the button I phoned says on it home homemade
with love. Oh wow, that's what the that's what the
I mean. It's clearly a button that you would like
sew on a jacket or something, but it says, yeah,
homemade love on it, And I'm thinking, what the heck?
I mean, that's just cool stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, when did your second sighting happen?
Speaker 1: Okay, so my first sighting was June July twenty twenty three.
The second sighting was more into winter, so I want
to say, like augustinter decemberish, I head out to this
hiking area where i'm ben for the last year and
a half now, and I went to the other side.
There's two different ways, two different access ways to get
there by car, and I decided I'm going to go
on the east end access versus the west end. And
did I decide that or did somebody nudge me to
go there? I think I was nudged. But it's winter,
but it's not a like cold winter day, not a
whole lot of snow on the ground. It's probably i'd say,
in the forties. So I take the east access point,
get out of my vehicle, I start down the trail,
and this trail from this side loops off to You
can either go left or right because all these trails
kind of intersect with each other. And I said out loud,
should I go left or should I go right? And
I'm just like, I'm going to go right. I don't
know if it felt like I needed to go right
or I was getting pushed right. But obviously because I
started walking right, I'm probably a minute in and there's
going to be this corner that's going to come up.
It's going to be like a curve and I can
see something bend it over. And at first, from where
I was, because I'm not wearing my glasses, it looked
like a guy was bending over wearing black. From where
I was at this moment, it looked like black snowpants
bending over away from me. Now, keep in mind, I've
told them over and over, please, if you're going to
show yourself to me, don't scare me.
Speaker 2: Don't don't do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do it in a way where I'm gonna go,
Holy f I'm just I'm gonna have a heart attack.
I'm fifty eight years old. I don't need this. So
as I'm getting closer, I'm realizing that's hair, that's fur soless.
Somebody's wearing long, furry boots. And I'm getting closer and
I'm like, I'm this is my second sighting. Oh my gosh,
And I'm trying not to get like I'm I'm nervous
and I'm anxious. And I did stop because again I'm stopping,
and I'm like, I don't know should I turn around
and go back or should I keep going forward? So
I just keep pushing myself forward because I mean, even
though at this point, I shouldn't be scared, and I'm
not scared. I still get that immediate oh my god,
what am I seeing? It stands up and it starts
walking fast, and I was like, now I'm going to
have to walk faster to keep up because there's going
to be a corner coming up, and then at that
next corner it wies off to the left or the right,
But those whys are so long that by the time
I catch up around this corner, I'm going to see
which way it went unless it's you know. And I've
got this all going in my head as I'm picking
up my pace now because I want it. As it's
rounding the corner, walking away from me, standing straight up.
I get to that corner, it's gone. It is gone,
and it's gone, and I'm like, okay, now I'm going
to start running because if it made it to the why,
it had to go right or left. But the right
left is so long that I'm going to see it running.
So I get to the why. Nothing, it's gone. So
I backtracked and I don't see any I don't see
any tracks, nothing in the snow. I backtrack to where
I saw it stand up and start walking away from me,
and I don't see any prince. I don't see where
it went. But this one was taller than the Juvie,
darker black, but still not very wide, more broad shouldered
than the first one. But where did it go? Where
did he go? And I mean, through the years, I've
heard deep swishes in the woods when I'm out there,
I see branches moving, I've seen I've seen things that
I'm attributing to Sasso because it's not going to be
a bear. It's not going to be a deer, not
when it's that heavy, not when it's that much of
a swoosh. But then there's times like this where I
start picking up my pace and it's gone. So I
either took off in the woods or hit the y
and it went in the woods. It was just so
if I was wrong and it wasn't a sasquatch and
it was a human, how did it get away from
me so quick? I would have seen it, because the
trail is a straight shot once you get to that.
Why both ways, nobody's running that fast away from me.
So that was, yeah, a different color, similar stature, but
wider in the shoulders. But I'm getting the back view,
not the front view. And you know Who's what am
I going to do? Pull out my phone and take
a picture. Why don't I think of these things?
Speaker 2: Nobody does. I don't care who you are. Nobody does.
Speaker 1: It's with me. Yeah, And I have another another story
about a tree, the mushroom tree. A lot of people.
I don't know if it's just an Upper Michigan, Michigan
across this parallel where we live. But there's this medicine
mushroom that's on a tree called Chaga. And then there's
another one called polyvor or poly I think it's called Polyvorn.
I might have pronounced that wrong. But it grows on
birch trees. Polypor and chaga. They grow on birch trees
and Native American cultures use them to make tea and tinctures.
And this was going to this would be now between
my first and second sighting, so this would be late
fall twenty twenty three. I'm walking through the forest on
a different trail that loops with one of the other
trails on the west side. It's an old railroad grade,
and I see this old birch tree and I'm looking
at it's either Chaga or polyport. It's one of the two.
I get them mixed up and I'm like, oh, look
it there, and I'm saying this out loud. There's some
medicinal mushroom on that tree. Too bad, I can't reach it.
And I was trying to figure out a way. You know,
I'm not going to climb this tree because there's no
way to climb it. It's just a straight and it
was an older birch tree. The top of it was
like the very top of it was gone, but it
had all these medicinal mushrooms on it. But the closest
one was definitely not within my reach because I would
have had to go off of the grade and then
I would have been down in kind of a ditch,
and there was no way for me to get to
this one that would have been at the you know,
the base of the base of the tree. I still
wasn't going to be able to reach that. So I'm
standing there and I'm going it'd be really great if
I could get some of that and bring it home
and make tinctures, because I've done that before. And I
said that out loud, and I'm standing there looking at
it for a little bit, and then I was just like, well,
I'm just going to keep walking because you know, it's
just kind of a bummer. I can't reach that. I
don't know. Three four days, five days later, I'm back
out at the same trail, and the tree had been
pushed over, and I look around and I go, well,
I don't know if this is coincidence, and I don't
know if this is just nature. I don't you know,
I'm trying to debunk it, because back in the paranormal field,
I tried to debunk pretty much everything before I would
subscribe to it being supernatural. I'm sitting there going, okay,
one of two things. The Sasquatch folk heard me when
I was out here talking the other day about how
much I wanted the medicinal mushroom and I just couldn't
reach it, and they knocked the tree over for me,
or nature did it one of the two. But I
ended up getting some medicinal mushroom to take home.
Speaker 2: I mean, again, what are the odds? I mean, what
are the odds? Really? The exact tree, not just a
random tree, but the exact tree, the.
Speaker 1: Exact tree, and where it was snapped off was like
right in them, so it would have been about seven
feet up snapped off, and then the top of it
was laying on the ground, and there was all kinds
of mushrooms, you know, on there that I could take
home and dry out and make tea. It's one or
the other. It's either the Sasquatch folk or it's not
nature did it. And I'm leaning towards the Asquatch, of course,
But that and that isn't that doesn't known it. And
that is one of the areas where I have felt
their energy before too. So you know, within thirty foot
radius there, I've had rocks thrown at me. Not at me,
but thrown I don't want to say at me, like
they were trying to hit me, but rocks, you know,
thrown in my path.
Speaker 2: You said something earlier that caught my attention that I
have to ask about.
Speaker 1: Okay, aliens, Oh, aliens, Yeah, what about it? Well, you know,
when I start talking about the alien stuff, then it
gets really because the alien stuff didn't start until after
the Big Foot showed up in my life.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: So I'm still digesting that. And that's a whole like
it's like dog Man. Dog Man showed up in the
paranormal world.
Speaker 2: In the paranormal world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had more than one dog man encounter. I
think I've had, well, there's two encounters with this family
that I was working with because they needed to deal
with some of their stuff. That's a paranormal story for
like I don't know a movie, I'm not sure, but
the dog man that was attached to their family, there
was two encounters, and then I've had one encounter where
I live now. But the alien stuff didn't start showing
up until after Bigfoot, and I don't put too much
attention there because yeah, I don't know where that's going
to go. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to come back for a part
two and talk about sure that stuff and the dog
man stuff and the paranormal stuff and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Aliens and abductions would be wonderful.
Speaker 2: Oh and abductions, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Aliens, abductions, abductions showing up in my in my kitchen, yep.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just a normal. I'm just a normal
girl walking around on this planet trying to be normal,
which I'm not. My normal is normal to me.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're failing miserably if you're trying to be normal.
I hate to burst your bubble. But you suck at
being normal, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's yeah, it's an interesting it's an interesting life,
it really is.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on and sharing your insight and
your stories, and I look forward to having you back
on for a part two.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for thanks for inviting me. I was. It
was a blast. It's great. I can't wait. I can't
wait to do part two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I got lots more questions.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, Hopefully I'll have some answers or I'll have
I don't know.
Speaker 2: And if you've had your own experience with sasquatch or
the paranormal, or aliens or anything else you can't explain,
send me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.
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