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time I talk about it, I get the chills because

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it was so crazy. We have a good two to

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three blocks before we get back to the parking lot,

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and we start hearing this. It's a call, it's a scream,

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it's a holler. I don't know what we're hearing, but

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it is unlike any vocal I've ever heard up until

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this point that I'm like, what is that? And she

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looks at me and we're like, what is that? And

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we heard it all the way back to the parking lot.

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The hair on the back of your neck is up,

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and you're like, I don't know what this is. I

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started doing research animal calls, and it's now, I don't know,

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one two o'clock in the morning, and I'm just trying

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to find something that sounds similar to what we heard,

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and I thought, you know, for the heck of it,

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I'm just gonna I'm just going to google bigfoot calls

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and see what comes up.

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Speaker 2: This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt and joining

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me is Tammy. Tammy is from Michigan. I believe, yep, yep, okay.

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I wanted to make sure I knew that you originally had,

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you know, your encounter in Michigan, but I didn't know

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if you were still there or not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just go back to that to kind of

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get started. Twenty sixteen in Michigan, I believe you were hiking.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. So a lot

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of times when people say Michigan, they equate that with

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Lower Michigan because that seems to be, you know, Michigan

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to most people. But I live in the what they

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call the UPE Upper Michigan. So that's where I still live.

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I don't live in the same location where I had

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my initial experience, but I'm only an hour and a

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half west from there where I currently reside. But yeah,

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I'm in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

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Speaker 2: I mean, from what I understand is it's pretty remote

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and still wild, isn't it. I mean, is there a

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lot of modernization up there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? There is. Well, Sue Saint Marie, Michigan is there.

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I think the second see I don't even know my

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history here. The second largest city in the up. I

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could be wrong. Marquette, Michigan is hour and a half

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north of me, which is a pretty large. It's college town,

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pretty large, diverse of a lot of I mean it's diverse.

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York rolled into thirty thousand people. Oh okay, and then

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with a lot of hiking and biking. There's there's a

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little bit of everything in Marquette, Michigan, and the same

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with Sue Saint Marie. But for the most part, it

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is pretty remote. There's the Porcupine Mountains, There's Copper Harbor.

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Bigfoot sightings up here, dog man, alien encounters. So I

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mean there's there's there's been a lot of reports all

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over the map on different things, but it is it

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is pretty remote. I mean, the town that I'm living

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in right now, I think only has four thousand people

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in it. Oh, but a lot of woods.

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Speaker 2: Was Bigfoot something on your mind or anything that you

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gave thought to before all this started?

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Speaker 1: No, Actually, before I had my first encounter back in

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twenty sixteen, I was well, I kind of you know,

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single mom, working three jobs, one of them as a

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psychic medium, working in the wedding industry, working in the

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financial realm, you know, a little bit everything, going back

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to college, got my social work degree. Very comfortable in

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the paranormal world, regardless of all the normal, so called

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normal things I was doing, like social work and stuff

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like that, but very very comfortable in the paranormal field,

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doing readings, getting called to come to people's property and

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assess what kind of spirits they might have on their

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property or entities. Very comfortable with that because I've been

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communicating with those that have passed since i was a child,

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so doing that kind of stuff, I was very comfortable.

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I was just kind of thinking, no, I'm gonna, you know,

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be doing like three jobs the rest of them my

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life and whatever. And then decided to do a night

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hike in an area that I had been hiking for

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probably a couple of years. But one of my friends,

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who had been hiking in this area more than me

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and knew the area really well, called me up and said, hey,

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you want to go for a night hike. And I'm

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pretty sure it was on Thanksgiving Day, And if I

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look back at my BFROL report that was published, I

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think it was like Thanksgiving Day, November twenty six, twenty sixteen.

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this popular hiking trail nine Loops, about twenty minutes away

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from where I was living at that time, and there

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was no you know, what are we going to run into?

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to go on a night hike. I think there was

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a full moon, and both of us really enjoyed being

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on doors. So we get to this hiking trail, we

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pull up into the parking lot and it's I want

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to say, it had to be anywhere between seven and nine.

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I'm going to know what time it was. But a

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lot has happened in eight years. So we pull up

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in the parking lot and get out of her vehicles.

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else in the parking lot. Typically people do not hike

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out there at night because it is extremely wooded. It's

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a little spooky at night, and if you don't like

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the night, or if you're afraid of the dark, it's

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not a place you're going to go hike at night.

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joke at the beginning of the trail, we started walking

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about seeing Bigfoot, and I kind of just kind of

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ignored that whole you know. I was just like, well,

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maybe we'll see fairies, because at this point in the game,

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and I thought, well, maybe we'll see fairies. You know.

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down the trail, and then we get to an area

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where the road, the trail itself goes across a bridge

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and then it wies off and you can take different routes,

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and we decided to take a right now. I grew up.

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grew up on eighty acres in a hunting family, so

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to night hike with my dad when he would hunt,

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and so being out there at night didn't bother me.

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we're walking along this trail, I hear something. We both

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heard something walking, and I knew it was something that

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was on two feet. I could just tell by the

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way the way it was walking it was two feet.

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being out in the woods, and my friend was like,

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probably just a deer. And I said that because I

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didn't want her to freak out and run back to

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the bark a lot. It was like I kind of

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wanted to keep walking, you know, So I was like, well,

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I think it's just a deer, but I knew in

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the back of my mind it wasn't because I could

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tell it was bipedal or on two feet. So then

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we we keep walking on this one loop and we

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both see this I guess you would call it eye shine.

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has to be up in a tree because we are,

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you know, five feet tall each of us, and we're

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seeing this thing that is so bright off to our

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left because the noise was on the right and then

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this orb was on the left and it was just

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this big, bright, white light. And she was making comments

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like maybe it's somebody with a headlamp. I'm like, up

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in a tree, you know, it's making it's maybe it's

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a three wheeler light. I'm like, up in a tree,

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mean it had to be at least twelve to fifteen

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feet up in a tree, and it was stationary, it

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wasn't moving, and I always just kind of like, I

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just kept walking. So we just kept walking and we

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back on like the second loop, and we're just sitting there.

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whatever it was back there was on two feet and

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then we see this orb thing. You'd think one of

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us would have been thinking we should just get out

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of here, but no, we're gonna go sit on this

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bench and a fire pit and we're just gonna hang

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to get back because I didn't know the trail back

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there as well as she did, so I was kind

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of like, well, which way do you want to go,

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and so I'm kind of following her back and we

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this big circle and this is this is where. This

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was so crazy. We walk across the bridge and now

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this and I don't I still do this day. What

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it's a holler. I don't know what we're hearing, but

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looks at me and we're like, what what is that?

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there's an animal hurt in the woods and it's dying.

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the way back to the parking lot, and we knew

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that we were moving away from it because the closer

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we got to the cars, the less we could hear it.

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was the hair in the back of your neck is up,

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and you're like, I don't know what this is, but

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it's something. So we get back to our cars and

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I'm going through animals in my head, you know, like kyote, mountain, lion, fox,

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dear cow. I can't come up with it. I'm like,

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I don't know what this is or what what? And

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so we get in our cars and I mean, it

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was weird because we were both kind of scared, but

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that's so freaking strange, you kind of freeze, but yet

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even earlier in the night, we would have like not

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even stayed out there, but we did. And then so

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even a point where I was like, is something hurt?

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fifty twenty, about twenty minutes for me to get home.

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and see what comes.

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Speaker 1: Yep, just gonna google bigfoot calls on my laptop and

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see what happens. And I was listening to various calls

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that were uploaded on YouTube, and now this is a

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to me, it was like, okay, and it came across

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a vocalization that was captured. I think, I think Rainier, Washington.

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immediately texted my friend and I said, I'm going to

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send you this and I want you to listen to it.

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I want you to tell me is this what we

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heard or is this what we not heard? I want

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to know because I'm thinking this is pretty damn close

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to what we heard out there. So she listened to it,

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she said, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's I'm like, are

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you kidding me? Did we did? Did we did we

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hear bigfoot? Like? What? Really? So it took me a

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while to wrap my head around the fact that we

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were in company of bigfoot sasquatch that night.

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Speaker 2: In a place that you had been to numerous times before.

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M never yeah, never anything.

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Speaker 1: No, and you'd think that, And of course my mind

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is going, you know, I'm a psychic medium, I know energies.

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Why why do I not know this energy? Why am

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I not? And I mean, obviously now I understand why

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I didn't. I mean, like I said, this has been

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an eight year journey. I understand for the most part

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why I wasn't able to pick up on what kind

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of energy that was. But back then, I was like,

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why is bigfoot jumping into my life? I mean, sure,

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is this really bigfoot? What? It became a very confusing situation.

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So then I don't know how long it was After that,

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because it had to be pretty close, I started seeking

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out people I could talk to about it. Jenny was

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pretty much remaining I don't know if anonymous is the world.

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I was more, I need to talk to somebody. I

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need to get confirmation that I'm not nuts. So I

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want to say I was watching news, a news thing

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on TV or probably on my phone or something. I

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was watching like a news clip of a local bigfoot

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researcher that runs a group up in the Upper Peninsula,

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and he was doing a clip on the local news

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about bigfoot calls and that he runs an organization. So

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I reached out to him and we arranged a time

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to get together so I could tell him the story,

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and he decided that he was going to get it

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published through the bfr old and so it ended up

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getting published in the following year, in twenty seventeen. It

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ended up getting published, so it's on the database. It's

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in the database. So then I ended up joining the

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Upper Peninsula Bigfoot Research Sasquatch organization. I ended up joining

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that group for a while and going on a couple

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of expeditions when I was obviously very new to the

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whole Bigfoot world. And there's obviously there's a lot of fear.

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There's also a lot of compassion and loving. I mean,

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I've over the eight years I've witnessed in people who

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are involved in this field everything from oh my god,

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they are bad to oh my god, they are the

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most loving creature on the planet. Yeah, And at this

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point in my life, I'm over here and they are

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the most loving being on the planet. And I feel

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protected when I'm in the woods. So I started out

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with I don't know what this is, and then some

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of the gifting that went on early on freaked me out.

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But now I'm over in the other camp.

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Speaker 2: Well, first off, I want to go back to the

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call that you heard, Okay, Was it the same call

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being repeated over and over? Was it one kind of

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long call?

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Speaker 1: It was the same call being repeated over and over.

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It would it would be like that screaming howly it

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sounded like a dying cow. I don't know how else

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to say it. And then it would start over. It

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would be like this long call. But then it would

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start over and it did that until we left. I mean,

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I don't know if it was continuing after we left,

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of course, but all the way to from where we

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started hearing it to when we got to the parking lot.

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Speaker 2: When you first heard it, about how far away would

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you think it was?

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Speaker 1: It was probably not too far from where we were

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when we were at the fire pit. It just waited

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because it felt from when we were at the bridge

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point and we started hearing it, it sounded a good

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I don't know, maybe a quarter of a mile away, No, no,

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maybe half I'm not really good with lengths, and like

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maybe it had to be closer to where the fire

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pit was, and it took us. It took us about

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ten minutes to get from the fire pit to the bridge. Okay,

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so it was a ways back, I mean loud.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the one that you heard was the

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same one that was walking around earlier?

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Speaker 1: No, okay, no, I think it was separate, two separate.

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I think the one on the one walking next to

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the river because of this trail on the right would

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have been a ravine and a river. When we crossed

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the bridge and we took a right, there'd be the left,

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which would be wooded and on the right there would

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be a little bit like a ravine and a river,

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So the one on two feet was on the right,

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and then when we made our trek back to that

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fire pit, that would have been far. Yeah, I feel

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like it was two separate and I look back now,

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and I mean, I've had other experiences before we moved.

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I had five years of experience in that because once

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I had the initial experience and I started to feel

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comfortable exploring the Sasquatch realm, I would spend lots of

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time out there alone, gathering my own evidence, collecting pictures,

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doing gifting stuff to see what would happen. A couple

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of really crazy gifting stories. And then at some point

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before we moved to where we live now, my son

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and I the telepathic communication stuff started.

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Speaker 2: So you were very well versed, as you said, in

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the paranormal, very experienced whenever it came to those sort

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of things. So you see this orb it was different

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than anything paranormal you had experienced. What kind of feelings

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did you get from it? Anything?

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Speaker 1: It was different in the sense that it was more solid,

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and it was bright, and it was it had that

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feeling of I don't know what This is versus if

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I someone was to so back then, if someone was

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to hand me a picture and say, tell me what

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you think. Do you think these are orbs in this picture?

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Or do you think this is dust? And I'd say

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ninety nine percent of the time, I'm pretty good at

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saying that's dust, that's just a bug. No, that is

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an orb, that is some spiritual energy. So seeing this

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bright shining orb or light in the up in the air,

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stationary or in a tree, it had an unknown feeling

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to it. I was like, I don't know what.

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Speaker 2: This is, all right, So let's fast forward. Now you're

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feeling comfortable in the Sasquatch realm, you're going out there.

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Did you immediately start gifting or how did that come about?

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Speaker 1: First expedition was just getting in the flow of being

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around other people who are in the Sasquatch field that

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I'll do and all agree, well, right, And another reason

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why I don't do expeditions anymore because of the I like,

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it's a matter of you know, I need to be

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I think, you know, it's like finding your tribe, right.

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Being with people that have the same opinions kind of

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helps the cause versus everybody having a different opinion. Second

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expedition I went on. There was a group of us

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walking down and this would be the second expedition that

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similar at a location that three hours west of where

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I live right now, No East, a popular expedition area

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in the Upper Peninsula. Second time there, a few of

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us were walking down the road. It's a very remote campground,

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it's rustic, and I noticed this rock on the ground

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and I was going to pass it up, and I

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backed up and I looked at it and I said, oh,

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there's some etching on this rock. And I'm making a

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long story kind of shortened up because it was an

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interesting weekend. And I picked it up and I was like,

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there's etching on this rock, and it just I'm going

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to keep it. And there was a few people in

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the group that was like, yeah, I should probably keep that.

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It was probably meant for you to keep. And so

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later on that evening I passed it around. Everybody at

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the campground was taking a look at the rock and

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coming up with their opinions on what they thought the

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etching was, because it did look like a dragonfly, and

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that resonates with this whole journey I'm on. And then

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there's Most people were like, it's a dragonfly. It looks

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like somebody etched a dragonfly on it. And of course

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my curiosity curiosity was like, well, why would I get

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a rock with an etching on it? Why did I

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see this? All these questions, you know, And then I thought, well,

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when I get done with this expedition, I'm going to

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touch base with the Native American couple that gave me

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my Native American name. And I had been in touch

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with them off and on once the big Foot stuff started,

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because it seems that Native Americans have a really good

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understanding of Sasquatch people and there's a lot of groundedness

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with Native American theories and ideas with them. So I thought, well,

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I'm just touched base with the couple that gave me

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my name and see what they think. So I got

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back from the expedition and I touched base with them,

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and we were actually on the phone and I sent

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them a picture and they said what do you think?

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What do you think this is? And I gave them

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the you know, went on an expedition found this rock

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and the the man his name is Bruce. It's Bruce

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and Pat. They're a couple and they are the ones

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who gave me my Native American name. And he said, well,

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it's obvious that the rock was meant for you. It's

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a dragonfly, and they probably knew you were coming back

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because you'd been there before. And I'm like, what really,

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you know, kind of like you're kidding me. They're going

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to know that I'm coming back and that's a gift.

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How crazy is that? And like what am I supposed

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to do with it? You know? And he said, well,

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I suggest you go back to your where you had

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your initial experience and wash the rock in a stream,

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thank the Sasquatch for giving you the gift, and bring

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a gift. Bring. Now, this is just such a crazy story.

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And when I repeat this story, I just think this

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is nuts, but it is not. They're like, bring, bring

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some squash and some blueberries to the river, wash the rock,

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and thank the Sasquatch people for remembering you giving you

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the rock. And you know, okay. So I'm like, all right,

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I'm going to do that, not thinking, you know, I'm

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just like, okay, I'm going to go back to where

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I had my initial experience with my friend, go the river.

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So I go to do that, and then I'm still

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in touch with the the UPRVR group where I live,

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just keeping them, keeping the guy who organizes the group

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in the loop because he wanted to know how things

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were going with the rock and stuff and what I

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was going to do with it. So I go there,

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I wash the rock. I bring a squash and a blueberry,

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and I'll be honest with you. At this time, I'm thinking,

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this is this is kind of nuts. I am at

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a river where I had the initial weird thing and

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I'm washing a rock. This just seems really nuts.

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Speaker 2: I've been there. I've been there. That's all I can say.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's nuts anymore. But like then, you know,

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I'm like, what is going on? And what is this

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world I'm jumping into? Just so I leave, I do

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the thing, I leave, go back to my life. You know,

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I'm do it, just being being me, just working in college,

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raising my son, doing my thing. And the guy's name

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is Rich the organization, guy from the Upper Peninsula Bigfoot

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Research Organization, just shoots me texten on A week later, Hey,

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why don't you go back and check where you did

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the washing the rock and see if anything's different. I'm like,

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why would I do that? Just go do it? Okay.

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So here I go, driving out to this location, walking

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fifteen minutes in the woods to the river by myself,

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and I go to check and see if anything's different.

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The squash is gone and the blueberries are gone. And

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I figured they would. I figured a deer was either

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going to eat them or woods animals, I don't know.

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But I couldn't find any remnants. I couldn't find any

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remnants of the squash. I couldn't find any remnants of

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the blueberries. And I'm looking pretty hardcore for remnants because

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I thought i'd at least see maybe part of the

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squash that I left there. And my vision went to

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the river, which is, you know, a foot in front

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of me, and I see a dead deer in the

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river with its neck broken and its leg's broken. And

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they went to myself, well, this can't be coincidence, because

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why would there be a deer. The river is not

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even a foot deep at this area. It's very shallow.

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I could walk in there if I wanted, So I'm

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trying to give you a visual the very shallow on

474
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:35,839
the side of the shore there, and I'm like, okay,

475
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,759
there's a dead deer that looks pretty beat up. So

476
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,440
I call Rich on the phone actually and said, hey,

477
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,319
I'm a little nerved out right now. There is a

478
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:54,000
dead deer in the river where I gifted blueberriers are gone,

479
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:56,759
squash is gone. And before I had a chance to

480
00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:00,359
say anything to me, said is its neck broken? Like

481
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,640
what do you guys want making me walk into I'm like, yes,

482
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,599
its neck is broken and its legs are broken, and

483
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,400
it actually looks like something grabbed it on the hind quarter.

484
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,440
I don't I'm like, I don't know. Should I run?

485
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: Clearly? Rich hit a deer with his car, carried the

486
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,240
deer to the gifting location, and planted the whole thing.

487
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:21,160
That's got to be the.

488
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: Right, right, So I was like, okay. He's like, it

489
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:28,279
sounds like you got gifted a deer. I said, what

490
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,519
he says, It sounds like you were gifted a deer

491
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:33,920
in return for the squash and the blueberries.

492
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good swap, by the way.

493
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, well, what if I don't want a deer?

494
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,960
Because this is where my brain goes, what if I

495
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,839
didn't want a deer? He's like, well, you got a deer.

496
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,279
I'm like, well, I don't know how to feel about this,

497
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:48,000
and is something going to come flying out of the

498
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,640
woods now at me? Because at this point I was

499
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,400
still kind of in the fear. I don't know what

500
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,480
this is all about. I don't know what to expect,

501
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,759
because what you don't know, you don't know, right, And

502
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:01,960
so I'm like, well, I'm going to high tail it

503
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,119
out here because I don't know what's going on and

504
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:07,240
I'm not so sure I don't need a deer. And

505
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,640
then he made the commed He says, well, how big

506
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,519
is the deer? I said, it's a small one. It's

507
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:14,799
not like it's a fawn or anything, but it's not

508
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,680
very big. He says, do you think it weighs about

509
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,559
as much as you? And I said, what like one

510
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,279
hundred pounds? I said maybe. He says, it sounds like

511
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,000
you got gifted a deer that's about your size, And

512
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,200
I'm like, what is that relevant to? So I hiked

513
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,839
held it out of there because I was kind of

514
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:35,680
freaked out. I left. Didn't take me long to get

515
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,480
back to the parking lot. It didn't take me that

516
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:40,359
fifteen minutes. I mean, I was like, I don't know

517
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,400
what to think right now and what is going on.

518
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:47,920
So I want to say within that there was like

519
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,880
a couple of weeks in between the next visit where

520
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,960
I was just kind of okay, I got gifted a deer.

521
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:56,640
And then I started talking to other people in the

522
00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:00,440
in the Bigfoot realm, all over the MA. You know

523
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,559
people that are like, oh my god, they killed a deer.

524
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:05,359
You should be careful. It's going to get you next.

525
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:08,400
And then I had other people knowing you got gifted

526
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,319
a deer. It's an honor. You should be honored, and

527
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:12,759
it is. Like I said, at this point, I was

528
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,680
still I don't know where I'm at with all this

529
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,400
because I wasn't tuning into their frequency. I didn't know

530
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,039
their frequency yet. I just knew that I didn't know

531
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:28,759
what this was, so I don't know. A week or

532
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:33,160
two goes by and Rich messaged me again and he says,

533
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,480
you should go back out there see if the deer

534
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:40,480
is still there. Well, I got to back that up

535
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,480
a little bit. We did go back there and took

536
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,000
the deer out of the river and put it on

537
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:46,960
the shore. Forgot to tell you that, because that is

538
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,839
very important. I did not go back alone. Next time,

539
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:52,240
I had Rich come with me. We took the deer

540
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,000
out of the river, we put it on the shore.

541
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:59,559
Then a week later he says, you need to go

542
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:00,839
back out there and you need to see if the

543
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,480
deer is still there. And I'm like, I don't want

544
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,759
to go back out there and see if the deer

545
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:06,920
is still there. But I did go back out there.

546
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,799
Bring my phone with so I can take pictures. And

547
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:13,720
I have pictures of each phase, the blueberries, the squash,

548
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,839
the deer in the river, the deer on the shore.

549
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:19,599
It's called documentation for my own sanity.

550
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:20,119
Speaker 2: Sure.

551
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: And then I come back and the deer is gone,

552
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:31,240
and there is no sign of it. There's no fur like,

553
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:36,240
there's no there's absolutely no sign of the deer. It

554
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:41,519
is gone. Call Rich on the phone. It's not here.

555
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,160
He says, does it look like it got drug out

556
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,200
or carried out? I said, there's no drag marks anywhere.

557
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,039
Somebody must have picked it up. But who's going to

558
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,880
pick it up? And how com I not seeing any footprints.

559
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,079
I don't see where somebody would have taken it out.

560
00:32:56,279 --> 00:33:02,079
It's just gone. That was the deers. That's the deer story.

561
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:10,319
The rock slash deer story. I didn't gift after that food.

562
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,039
I don't. I don't gift food anymore, I really don't.

563
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:21,279
I really don't want dead animals in return. I don't

564
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,559
gift food. I will gift rocks, I will gift feathers.

565
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,079
I will do rock formations in return of rock formations,

566
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:34,400
I'll do stick words. But I don't, and I mean,

567
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:40,799
I the current, the current sasquatch group that I interact

568
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:46,000
with now we know each other very well, and I mean,

569
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,359
over the years, I've learned to be very clear, you know,

570
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:54,599
please don't gift me animals. I don't want dead animals.

571
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:58,000
So that and I don't and I don't gift animals

572
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:04,720
or gift you know, food. So because that was a very,

573
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,239
it was a very I was very scared for quite

574
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,800
a while on that one. So what changed, Well, I

575
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,800
did a podcast with Sasquatch Theory when I was still

576
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,639
in fear mode. The first the first one I did

577
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,800
with them, I was kind of fear. But on the fence,

578
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:24,920
I think it was a I think it was a

579
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,079
gift in return, but I don't really know. I'm trying

580
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:33,760
to think where this started to change, Mostly because I

581
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,320
would go out there, and I would have buttons in

582
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,639
the like. There's different areas I would go out to

583
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:42,960
this hiking trail that nobody is willing to go to

584
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:45,079
because it's deep in the woods and there's woodticks and

585
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:48,239
there's mosquitoes, and not everybody's willing to just kind of

586
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,880
like go into the woods and find a little spot

587
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,519
to sit and then make it your own right to

588
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:56,079
go back and sit. So you know, there's times I

589
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,679
would go back to these places and sit and there'd

590
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:02,519
be a button there. Who's gonna leave a button, you know,

591
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,159
a mile a mile in like a clothing button. How

592
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:11,519
would that get out there? We're like a baseball, a

593
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:16,519
major league looking tight baseball. Who's going to leave that

594
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:18,360
in an area where I'm pretty sure no other human

595
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,719
is gonna Just all these little gifts that I would

596
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,440
that I would get over the over the course of

597
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,000
the three four years that I spent there after the

598
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,719
deer and I would take people I would take. I'm

599
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,519
very selective who I take in the woods with me,

600
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:40,679
because I'm learning that if someone is not a good

601
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,119
intention thinks they need a gun, wants to go hunting,

602
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:50,400
there's not going to be any interaction. If I bring

603
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:54,679
someone with me who has good intention, curious, open minded,

604
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:59,320
doesn't want to kill anything, typically we'll have an experience together,

605
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,119
whether it's a call or a wood knock or a

606
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:10,679
tree a snap, or something left on the trail. I'm

607
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,320
just I'm trying to like think of when it really changed.

608
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,360
I think it's just been a progression. I think it's

609
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,599
been a progression of change because I didn't have I

610
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:24,199
had a lot of like third eye sightings because of

611
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,480
being a psychic medium. Once I started learning their energy,

612
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,400
I would see them in my third eye, not all

613
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,079
the time, because they're very good at cloaking and that

614
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:37,840
I have not changed my mind. They're so good at

615
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,360
like they don't want you to see them. You're not

616
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:47,800
going to see them. So for a long time, once

617
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,079
I learned their energy and their vibration, I'd get glimpses

618
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:52,679
in the third eye and I'd be like, Okay, they're

619
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:58,719
here today. And then I did a shamanic life coaching

620
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,480
training because besides being a social worker, I wanted to

621
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,400
I'm also into natural health, so I wanted to foster

622
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,000
the side of my brain that's into shamanic health stuff.

623
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:14,280
So I noticed a big change after I did a

624
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:20,199
Shamanic Life Coach training where I learned more shamanic type

625
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:25,119
healing stuff. Because it was shortly after that last year,

626
00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:28,159
in June or July of twenty twenty three, I had

627
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,840
my first full on sighting without using without being a medium,

628
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,239
and that really changed the game for me. Like that

629
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,320
changed not that I didn't know they existed, not that

630
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,920
I didn't know they weren't there, but to see one

631
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,960
with my eyes versus my psychic I and then I

632
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:50,840
ended up doing my second podcast with Sashquatch theory to

633
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:53,199
get updated. There was like this update there was like

634
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,519
my first one and then it's like, Okay, now I

635
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:58,159
need to revisit some people that I have talked to

636
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,000
when I was still green, and now we're going to

637
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:04,360
go listen. I just had my first sight, my first

638
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:05,360
true sighting.

639
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that. Was those that siting just

640
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,480
a random occurrence or was it elicited or how did

641
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,440
that come about.

642
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: I spent about five years in the first location getting

643
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,239
to know the forest people, the Sasquatch, you know, everybody

644
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,480
calls them something a little different. I became very used

645
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,320
to their habits where we were living, and how they

646
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:36,079
would interact with me with the little gifts, or like

647
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:38,519
with the whistling at me when I'm out in the woods,

648
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:40,760
or the giggling when I walk by where I think

649
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,360
they are but I can't see them, but I can

650
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,719
feel them, And then moving to where we are now,

651
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,679
and in between that time doing this shamanic training, which

652
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,920
I don't I don't know if that's an aspect of

653
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,679
why things are different here. It just feels like they're

654
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,920
different here as well. But I was out hiking. So

655
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,280
when we moved, I get so excited when I talk

656
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,119
about this stuff. So when we moved, as we were

657
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,199
getting settled into our new place, I decided to do

658
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,719
some research on maps Google Maps. Where are the hiking

659
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,679
areas around where we live? Where where are the deep

660
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,840
wooded areas where I can go and see if I

661
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,960
can find me a new Sasquatch family and see where

662
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,679
they are. And so I thought, yeah, We're going to

663
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,840
go to this very wooded area. I'm about fifteen minutes

664
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,760
away from where I'm at right now, and there's a

665
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,320
fair amount of hiking trails that are very wooded. I'm

666
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,079
going to I'm going to start walking these trails and

667
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:46,199
see what I come up with. And I had already

668
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,280
started seeing clues on the first the first time in

669
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,400
this new area, I started seeing tree structures that I

670
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,840
knew were very characteristic of Sasquatch. I could feel there

671
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,719
was a Sasquatch energy out there, although it felt a

672
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,840
bit more intense than the previous location we lived in.

673
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,239
It was definitely Sasquatch energy, but it was it felt

674
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:16,039
not only like older, but felt more intense. So I thought, Okay,

675
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:18,079
this is probably going to be a good area to

676
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:23,000
get to know whatever Sasquatch group plan family might be

677
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:29,519
in this neck of the woods. And probably about January

678
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:33,400
February March April May, probably about five months of hiking

679
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,800
and looking at different structures I would find and getting

680
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,519
a sense of the energy. I just happened to be

681
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:43,360
out there one day walking and I was on the

682
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,840
phone with my mom walking one of the main trails,

683
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:49,000
and I'm on the phone with my mom and there's

684
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:53,800
this girl coming my way from the opposite direction, and

685
00:40:53,840 --> 00:41:00,239
I can see something walking quite a ways behind her

686
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,599
that I thought was human at first, because she's only

687
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:09,960
twenty feet away from me, and she's coming from the

688
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,880
opposite direction, and I'm on the phone with my mom,

689
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,000
so I'm somewhat distracted. But when in the distance, I

690
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,400
can see something coming behind, not like right behind her,

691
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,559
but coming towards me just a ways. And so the

692
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:26,440
girl passed me, and I'm on the phone with my

693
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:31,679
mom and I'm like, what am I seeing? I mean,

694
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:33,280
like there was this whole I'm going to get off

695
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,039
the phone now because i think what I'm seeing is

696
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,679
not At first, it looked like a guy coming from

697
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,039
from a distance. It looked like a guy walking towards

698
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:46,440
on the trail. And then I'm realizing that this is

699
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,360
to me what i'd say now is probably a juvenile

700
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:55,480
or a younger, not a younger sasquatch, not like because

701
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,679
that's one was a tall, tall and thin, and from

702
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:05,400
my previous psychic visions of seeing them, I'd always see

703
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,440
bigger ones, bigger, wider. I don't think i'd ever really

704
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,000
seen a juvenile in my third eye, it was mostly

705
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:16,519
the adults. So I'm looking at this, what is a

706
00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:19,559
bigfoot coming towards me? And I hurry up and get

707
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:23,800
off the phone with my mom, and it darts off

708
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,639
the trail because I think it recognized it, realized that

709
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:33,480
I saw it, and I'm like, okay, So then my

710
00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:36,920
brain is trying to process that I'm not this is

711
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,960
not my psychic guy, this is my this is me seeing.

712
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,159
So I'm hurrying trying to get to where I saw

713
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:48,400
it dart off the trail, and I'm thinking, well, it

714
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,360
can't go far because it darted off the trail to

715
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,119
the right, which there's a lake there. It didn't dart

716
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:58,320
to the left, which would have been up the ravine

717
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:01,719
on another trail where I wouldn't have been able to

718
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,159
follow it. So I'm like, well, I'm going to be

719
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:05,480
able to see it when I get to where it

720
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:09,719
darted in, because it's the lake. And I get to

721
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,000
where it darted in and I cannot find it. I

722
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:16,800
can't see it. I don't know where it went. And

723
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,320
I'm looking and I'm looking, and I'm like, where are you?

724
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:25,519
Are you cloaking? I saw you? So I stayed around

725
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:29,719
that area for a while trying to but it disappeared.

726
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,719
And that was cool, I mean, you know, because I yeah,

727
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,039
that was cool. And it was tall and thin, the

728
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:44,719
face really didn't have a lot of hair. It was

729
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,239
just different looking than what I was used to seeing

730
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,559
where we used to live, So to me, it felt

731
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,199
like it was younger. There was a curiosity feeling that

732
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,679
went with him. Definitely felt like a male looked more

733
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:03,400
male than female. But it was young. It was a

734
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,360
younger one. You know. I'm thinking, like I had to

735
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,440
go by ages, you know, twenty, you know, if I

736
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:12,480
was to equate it with someone who's in their twenties versus,

737
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:16,480
oh my gosh, this being is feels eighty and ancient,

738
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:20,159
you know. So that was really interesting.

739
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, what color was it?

740
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: I want to say, like a brown with reddish, not

741
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:31,480
like a dark not like a dark brown, not like

742
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:36,519
a black, more of like a brown reddish. And like

743
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:38,760
I said, the face was. And I think that's what

744
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,039
threw me off from a distance was the face. I

745
00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:46,800
didn't see hair on the face, and the shoulders weren't

746
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,599
as broad as what I'd been used to seeing in

747
00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:51,280
the psychic guy back to the other locations. I was

748
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,599
just like, from a distance, I thought, oh, it's just

749
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:55,280
a guy. And then as I got closure, I'm like, no,

750
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:58,079
that is that's a sasquatch.

751
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,559
Speaker 2: Was the face are a lighter or darker than the body.

752
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: Lighter. Yeah, if I was a sketch artist, I would

753
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,079
have sketched it by now. You know. I'd love to

754
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:12,239
be able to sketch these things because I do try

755
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,599
and then they just turn out looking really ridiculous. So

756
00:45:16,639 --> 00:45:20,119
that was in June July of twenty twenty three. I'm

757
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:23,880
not sure when telepathic communications started. I want to say

758
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,960
it started back when we were living in the other location,

759
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:29,360
but it's accelerated here and I don't know if it's

760
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:32,119
and I don't know. I think and I swear like

761
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,760
all of us feel the same way. The more we

762
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,599
think we know, the more questions we have. Yeah, I

763
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:41,199
have some theories that I feel are pretty solid in

764
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,559
my opinion. You know, I'm pretty sure they use portals

765
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:48,480
because I've seen portals when I was knee deep or

766
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:50,320
knee deep head deep. I don't know how you want

767
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,400
to say it in the paranormal field. You know, when

768
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,840
I was doing paranormal stuff for people and i'd have

769
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,360
to close portals on people's property. You know, I know

770
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:05,000
what portals look like. So I'm convinced, and this is

771
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,119
my opinion that they have they use portals, and I

772
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:10,280
think it's the trees I think there's there's tree portals.

773
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,559
I mean, I think they're interdimensional. People have asked me

774
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:17,800
if I think they know alien know the aliens. I

775
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,679
don't know. I've had alien interaction. I don't know if

776
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:22,159
the aliens in the Sasquatch know each other. I'm still

777
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:28,320
learning myself. I just know that I don't fear them anymore.

778
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,079
I feel like they protect me when I'm out in

779
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:35,280
the woods. I feel like they're they're friends. They're like friends.

780
00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:38,000
And but I'm not a threat either. You know, I

781
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,719
don't carry a gun, I have no intentions of harming anything.

782
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:44,920
I'm actually more afraid of humans than I am of

783
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,599
the Sasquatch, so.

784
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: As you should.

785
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,639
Speaker 1: You know, it might be why I I get so many,

786
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,159
you know, I get so many so much cool interactions,

787
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,960
or I get you know, I get led to places

788
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,599
that I get to see things like bones from I

789
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:06,159
don't know, animals kind of shoved in like weird configurations

790
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:11,960
in a tree and we're just structures. I find a

791
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,760
lot of structures. I feel like I get led to

792
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,119
their structures, which I think is really cool that they

793
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:21,400
can intricate some of these branches to I mean, who's

794
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,719
going to take the time to weave all these branches

795
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,960
together and then the structure is going to be ten

796
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,599
feet high, you know. I mean, like, who's going to

797
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:28,880
do that?

798
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: So I assume, which I shouldn't do. But I assume

799
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:38,280
once you figured out how to you know, tune into

800
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,719
their frequency, is that when the telepathic communication started, then

801
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,239
I'm that.

802
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there was before that. I just

803
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:52,199
didn't know, you know, because before when we were at

804
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:54,679
the old location, I would go out to the woods

805
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,480
when I felt the need to go out to the woods.

806
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,039
But I think it was I think there was a

807
00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:01,280
lot of nudging me to come out and play. Because

808
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,679
now you know today today I didn't go out with

809
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,559
a knowdge. Today, I just went out in the woods

810
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:09,400
because I needed some hiking time away from my noisy

811
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:15,400
neighborhood we live in. But there's like the telepathic stuff

812
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,559
I've got. I have a whole little notebook of messages

813
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:22,119
they've related to me in this last year where I'll

814
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:25,599
go out and ask, is there anything you'd like to

815
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:28,440
tell me today? I think it's very important for me

816
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,679
to say that I live on their terms. I don't

817
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:34,679
make the terms. And I think that's where a lot

818
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,840
of people who want to get to know Sasquatch and

819
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,119
not live in fear. You have to be on their

820
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,159
terms and you have to not have any bad intentions

821
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:48,320
because they know you before you know you. They know

822
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:54,320
everything about you before you even think. I think they

823
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:56,280
know you before you know when you're out in the woods,

824
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,800
they know they know you like they I mean, I

825
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,320
feel like this is an ancient, intelligent species that you're

826
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,840
not going to pull the wole over their eyes. They're

827
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,800
going to hole over our eyes. I mean it's obvious

828
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,519
because if I can't see them half the time, they're

829
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:10,480
not letting me.

830
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,559
Speaker 2: So what's the telepathic communication?

831
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: Like?

832
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,199
Speaker 2: Is it like a voice just pops in your head?

833
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: Yes?

834
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: And what does it sound like? Does it sound like

835
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,119
a human voice of some human that you don't know, or.

836
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,559
Speaker 1: It sounds human and deep? And this also leads to

837
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:33,000
questions too, like do how many languages do they speak?

838
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:35,480
Or do they speak different languages to different people? Because

839
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,880
to me, they speak in English And there's times when

840
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:43,079
I get a message it sounds it sounds animalistic but human.

841
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,320
I don't want to say like monkey or ape like,

842
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,519
but there's like this tone that's it's English, but it's

843
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,840
it doesn't sound like it's just a guy talking to me.

844
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,840
You can tell that it's animalistic. I've only in co

845
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:03,079
under one female sasquatch, though in my journey so far

846
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:08,880
just one. The rest has sounded male. But their messages

847
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,320
are you know, when I get down, when I get

848
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,039
when I go to when I go to the woods,

849
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:16,639
and say, Okay, is there anything you would like me

850
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:18,920
to know today? Do you want to do? You want

851
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,880
to show me anything? And I say this. I've said

852
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,760
this a lot over the last eight years, but more

853
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,400
so the last three years, because I don't want to

854
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,599
be startled, and they know that. I mean, after that,

855
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:33,880
dear incidents, I'm sorry, I'm still a little freaked out.

856
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,559
Even though that was back then. There's just certain things

857
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:41,559
that kind of stay with you. And I'll say things like, hey,

858
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,920
just don't scare me. And I think that if it

859
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,519
would have been a twelve foot like seeing seeing a

860
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:54,079
big one in my in my psychic eye is different

861
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:57,400
than I think would be seeing one like. I think

862
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,320
seeing one that felt juvenile and younger and curious was

863
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,239
exactly what I needed to see, not to scare me.

864
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:11,360
But the messages are always very For example, I'm going

865
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:12,920
to go back to a message I was given during

866
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,480
the winter when I was out at the location i'm

867
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,719
at now, and I'm like getting scattered all over because

868
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,400
I got like ten different things I want to talk

869
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:19,800
to you about.

870
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm getting scattered all over? Are you kidding me?

871
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,039
Speaker 1: One of the most pronounced messages that I've received more

872
00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:34,280
than once is love is the answer? What do you

873
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:39,280
want me to know today? Love is the answer? Okay, cool?

874
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:47,480
Thank you. We know you before you know yourself. Sooner

875
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:49,960
or later, we're going to get tired of being encroached on.

876
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:56,800
I've heard that makes sense. Yep. Another reason why when

877
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,960
I go to locations where I know they've set up

878
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:01,760
like their camp, so to speak, because there's different locations

879
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,079
where they have like places they gather, I will ask

880
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,960
for permission to step in. Is it okay that I'm

881
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,119
here today? Can I visit where you guys gather even

882
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:14,960
though you're I can't see you today. I wait for

883
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,559
a yes or no. Sometimes I've been told no, we

884
00:52:18,599 --> 00:52:21,360
don't really want you here today. Okay. I respect that.

885
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 2: This is a question that always comes to mind whenever

886
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,239
we're discussing this particular subject, and since you have your

887
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,000
background in the paranormal, you might be a really great

888
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:33,800
person to answer.

889
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe.

890
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:44,119
Speaker 2: You're out there, you're basically eliciting a response because you're

891
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:49,320
asking a question, you get an answer. How do you

892
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,079
know it's coming from a bigfoot?

893
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: Because I know their vibration. I know their vibration, I

894
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:56,119
know their energy.

895
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: Another person might not though.

896
00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: Right right, And that's why it's important to get training

897
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:07,559
from either a shaman or someone who's really well versed.

898
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:09,840
Because if I back this up a little bit, before

899
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,840
I came out of the woodwork as a professional medium,

900
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,639
I was trained under a shaman for about ten years,

901
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,159
even though I was talking to those who had passed

902
00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:21,159
since I was a child. When I decided to become

903
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:25,840
a professional medium, I trained under a shaman to hone

904
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:31,840
my skills. And then I have my Native American people

905
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,079
that gave me my Native American name too. They helped

906
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:37,920
me in the early stages with the you know, you

907
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,639
got to get on their vibration, okay, and that took

908
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:44,800
some time. That's why there's that's why there's no fear anymore.

909
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:51,360
Because I get their vibration. I understand like if I

910
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:56,039
go in the woods and I don't know when i'm if,

911
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:58,840
I don't know, because there's been instances where I'm out

912
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,280
and about and I don't know the energy I'm dealing with.

913
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,960
I will ask what is this? And there's times I

914
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,719
don't get answers. So then I just kind of like

915
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,440
close the door because there are times I don't want

916
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,679
to I don't want to know. And I used to

917
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,199
do that when I was doing a lot of medium

918
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,079
work too, where if I was there was an energy

919
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:18,159
I wasn't quite sure, I can close the door and

920
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:18,920
not deal with it.

921
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,559
Speaker 2: I just think it's very important because I mean, you

922
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:29,079
hear about these, you know, I don't know the right

923
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:32,360
word to use, really supernatural or paranormal experiences that people

924
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,000
have when dealing with bigfoot sasquatch, whatever the proper name is.

925
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:41,599
And Joe Blow can go out in the woods and

926
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,239
hear a voice or hear something whistling and be drawn

927
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,039
to that or think that they're having an interaction with

928
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:51,199
a bigfoot, but they might not be. It might be

929
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,159
something else, maybe using that as a lure, pretending to

930
00:54:56,159 --> 00:54:58,480
be a bigfoot, because it knows your intent is to

931
00:54:58,519 --> 00:54:59,599
have a bigfoot.

932
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: Interaction, right, right, yep, Yeah, that's why it's discernment and education.

933
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:10,920
And I know I used to talk about this in

934
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,599
the paranormal field. If you're going to be in the

935
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:15,760
paranormal investigator, you should probably get trained properly first before

936
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,400
you walk into a house full of spirits that you

937
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,679
don't know what kind of spirit you're dealing with. That's

938
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,199
a whole different That is a whole different f and subject.

939
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,239
I used to do. I used to do educational classes

940
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:27,800
on that and.

941
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 2: Oh look you there, we just got cut off. Yeah,

942
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:40,840
see what happens. See what happens? Goosebumps? Is there something here?

943
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: Yeah?

944
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 2: Trying to cause pretence?

945
00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:50,039
Speaker 1: Right? You never know. But right when I first started

946
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:54,159
working with a paranormal team in the Upper Peninsula, all

947
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:57,679
of us had educated each other and we all had

948
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,000
like there's just things. I mean, if you don't know,

949
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,000
I mean, this is why it's important to have of

950
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:05,920
This is why it's important if you're going to be

951
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,960
a paranormal investigation team. There's some key rules to be

952
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,599
a good team. Notice I said the word good. You

953
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:18,119
have to have good intentions. You have to have your

954
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:20,000
own shit taken care of at least For the most part,

955
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:23,159
you have to be working on your own private personal

956
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:25,039
problems because you never know what you're going to walk

957
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:27,239
into that might want to attach to you before you leave.

958
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,639
And then you've got to know how to unattach things

959
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,599
if you're going to walk into a situation where there

960
00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:34,480
might be some stuff that wants to attach to you,

961
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:38,800
and then you should have a good, reputable, solid ground

962
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,199
and medium on your team so that person can walk

963
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:43,000
in first and be like, this is what we're dealing with,

964
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:44,360
and this is how we're going to operate.

965
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's other things out there besides Bigfoot, is the point.

966
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: Yes, there's entities. And I don't use the word demonic

967
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,079
very often because that's very rare. It actually is more

968
00:56:57,159 --> 00:56:59,159
rare than people want you to believe. Just quit watching

969
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:01,280
TV and all the show and all the paranormal people.

970
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,079
Just stop. Demons are rare. They're not. But there's a

971
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:10,239
lot of different types of possessions that are entities that

972
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,119
are They could seem to demonic in nature, but they're not.

973
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:15,800
They're just a pain in the ass. Can I use

974
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:21,119
that word? You can? Yeah. You just gotta know, you

975
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:24,119
got to you gotta have you've got to be solid,

976
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:26,760
and everybody's kind of has to have their ship together.

977
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:29,199
Speaker 2: I don't know, I support I know we're kind of

978
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:31,679
going off trail here, but I'm just saying I think

979
00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:35,480
it's important for people to realize that, you know, if

980
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:39,119
you're inexperienced whenever it comes to the paranormal, or maybe

981
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:43,079
not that knowledgeable, or maybe you're just out there looking

982
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:47,360
for Bigfoot, you're not even messing with ghosts. You know.

983
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,280
That's where of the mindset. You don't have to be

984
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,760
in a cemetery or an old creepy house to encounter things.

985
00:57:56,679 --> 00:57:59,239
It can be the middle of nowhere, out in the woods.

986
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:02,000
So yes, you just have to be.

987
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:09,119
Speaker 1: Careful because there's there's you know, depending on what you

988
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:12,440
what a person personally believes in. But yeah, there is

989
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:15,320
other things out there. I mean, we could talk about

990
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:20,800
dog Man, we could talk about leprechauns. Could we could

991
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,400
talk about weird looking creatures that probably got slipped through

992
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,679
some portal somebody opened because they were being stupid. There's

993
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:30,559
a lot more out there.

994
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: Back to the messages, any warnings, have you ever encountered

995
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:37,320
anything where it's.

996
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:43,599
Speaker 1: Like just there. The Sasquatch family that I currently interact

997
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:48,159
with where I live have said that at some point

998
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,039
they and I don't know if they're talking about their

999
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:55,320
whole species because I haven't asked, they are going to

1000
00:58:55,360 --> 00:59:00,280
be tired of being stalked and encroached on. And I'm like, oh, okay,

1001
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,679
I'm glad that I respect your boundaries.

1002
00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:05,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1003
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you think about it, you know, drones,

1004
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,119
people going out in the woods. Yeah, big potters. Those

1005
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,920
those who are just thrill seeking don't really understand the

1006
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,360
depths of this whole situation. But if you meet them

1007
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,480
on their terms and you have a good if you

1008
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:25,000
have good intentions and you meet them on their terms,

1009
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,280
they're the kindest, most compassionate you can like, they are

1010
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,000
here to teach us that love is the answer. I mean,

1011
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:39,199
that's profound. They are planet watchers. They're watching the planet,

1012
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:44,880
so hey, cool, can you guys take care of some

1013
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,360
of the crap that's going on the planet right now?

1014
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 2: Well, So, any insight onto what the structures mean, what

1015
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,800
they're for, I think that's individual.

1016
00:59:59,039 --> 01:00:01,719
Speaker 1: I do I think that. I mean, I'm not. I mean,

1017
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,400
I don't know if an X means the same thing

1018
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,440
to me that it means to somebody else, and who

1019
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:09,880
is to say that the family I'm dealing with their

1020
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,960
ex doesn't mean something different than the ex over in Washington.

1021
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,239
I don't know. See at least leads more questions for

1022
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,199
me personally. And when I go out looking, looking, or

1023
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,559
being led to a structure, I just show up at

1024
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:28,320
the structure and go, wow, this is amazing. You guys

1025
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,000
know what you're doing, Like how do you do it?

1026
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:34,039
And sometimes I snap pictures and sometimes I don't. Sometimes

1027
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:40,320
I just observe and look around. And sometimes I feel

1028
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,119
like it's cool to snap pictures, and other times I

1029
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:47,039
don't think they want me taking pictures. But I do

1030
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:50,119
have one picture out of these eight years where I've

1031
01:00:50,119 --> 01:00:53,519
been photo bombed. If you look hard enough in the picture,

1032
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:56,920
you can see the silhoe out of a sasquatch. It's

1033
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,360
one of my favorite pictures. But out of eight years,

1034
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:05,119
I've only been bomb once. I've only caught one one, well,

1035
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:07,440
maybe two. There's another one that's kind of iffy way

1036
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,239
back in the day, but one that I'm sure of

1037
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:16,519
that I've got a picture of. The rest is just structures,

1038
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:19,159
things they leave me, things I just find, whether it's

1039
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:22,639
random or they led me there. I've had a couple

1040
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:25,559
of gifts show up in my house. That's another subject.

1041
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:30,559
How do they end up putting things in my house? Yeah,

1042
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,119
when I'm not home, when I just visited them. But

1043
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:37,119
I've talked to various other people who have had that

1044
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:39,119
kind of you know, just there's been a there's a

1045
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:42,039
thread out there of people who have had home interaction

1046
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:50,280
telepathically or vocally. I gets there's smells too. I've had

1047
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,159
different smells in the woods that I know. Are them

1048
01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:54,239
you being.

1049
01:01:54,159 --> 01:01:58,719
Speaker 2: A psychic medium? Depending on the school of thought, it

1050
01:01:59,519 --> 01:02:03,119
will just it's not something everybody does or has tapped into.

1051
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:04,599
Speaker 1: Right.

1052
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: Do they all have these abilities that you're talking about,

1053
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,559
like the telepathic communication or is it just certain ones

1054
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,000
like it is with human.

1055
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: Big Are all big Foot telepathic? Is that what you're saying? Right,

1056
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:21,119
I don't know.

1057
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 2: Are they I don't know.

1058
01:02:23,639 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know.

1059
01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 2: It's always, you know, kind of been one of my ponderings,

1060
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,760
like maybe some of them can do the mind speaking,

1061
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:32,719
other ones can't.

1062
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: You know. Well, let's say let's go with the theory

1063
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,840
that they are human human like. They're not human, but

1064
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,239
they're human like. So if they are human like, and

1065
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,400
this is you know this is stuff I stood up

1066
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,000
at night thinking about writing notes about if they're a

1067
01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:52,920
human like, that would mean that they grow up. They

1068
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,519
start out as children and they learn as they go.

1069
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,000
So maybe some of them don't have the telepathic because

1070
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:01,320
they haven't grown into it yet.

1071
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:02,639
Speaker 2: Could be?

1072
01:03:03,199 --> 01:03:03,519
Speaker 1: Could be?

1073
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: I mean, like you were talking about with the language thing,

1074
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:11,000
how many languages do they speak? Yeah, that's one of

1075
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:13,920
those things where like the more the more we think

1076
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,320
we know, the more questions.

1077
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:16,039
Speaker 1: Uh.

1078
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:24,159
Speaker 2: For us, I was raised around English speaking people. I

1079
01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:26,880
heard it every day of my life. You start picking

1080
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,360
up on it, then you go to school and you

1081
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,920
learn grammar and all that. How would something like that

1082
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,199
learn English? How would one learn English in one place

1083
01:03:36,239 --> 01:03:38,320
and one learn it in another place without it being

1084
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,519
taught to them? Who talks to begin with?

1085
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? And as it just they just know how to

1086
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,679
adapt because that's how intelligent they are. I mean I

1087
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:50,559
have friends who friends in other states that talk with

1088
01:03:50,599 --> 01:03:51,360
them in Ojibwe.

1089
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:52,159
Speaker 2: Wow.

1090
01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: Okay, great, I mean that'd be awesome. I should learn ojibway.

1091
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:57,400
I'm supposedly Ojibwa.

1092
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: I heard a woman here in Oklahoma, she was Wichita,

1093
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,400
and she said that they speak the language. Of whatever

1094
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:13,400
tribe they live around. And I thought that was really

1095
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:18,760
interesting because that would also translate to if they live

1096
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,159
around English speaking people, they're going to speak English.

1097
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1098
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 2: But again, is it something where we just have built

1099
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,360
in psychic translators?

1100
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:33,199
Speaker 1: Maybe? You know, maybe, because according to I don't know

1101
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,639
something I read a long time ago, humans only tap

1102
01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:40,880
into some a tiny part of their intelligence, you know.

1103
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,639
I mean everyone has psychic capabilities. I mean some of

1104
01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:47,039
us are born with it, others can, but everyone can

1105
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:51,519
learn it. I mean there's there are world renowned psychic

1106
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:55,039
mediums out there that teach others how to access their gifts.

1107
01:04:55,719 --> 01:04:59,360
So I mean everybody has the capability of tapping into

1108
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,760
some I mean there's scope obviously, But yeah, what if

1109
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,199
they're just such an advanced species that they can translate

1110
01:05:07,639 --> 01:05:11,559
the language they need to to so you understand them.

1111
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: So what are some of the more unique gifts that

1112
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,760
you've found in your house or they that they've brought you?

1113
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,960
I mean, I hope they didn't leave a dead deer

1114
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:21,239
lane on the couch or anything.

1115
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: No, No, because I could gifting food. I'm not attempted

1116
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,960
to gift food. I don't think ever, Again, I don't

1117
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,320
know I can't say that, but so there was this

1118
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:38,039
one day so July, June, July I had my first

1119
01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:43,079
full sighting. August September, October, December I had my second sighting.

1120
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:45,039
By the way, I did have a second full sighting,

1121
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:50,159
and this one looked different than the first one. So

1122
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:57,159
somewhere after that second sighting January February, so February this year,

1123
01:05:57,239 --> 01:06:00,480
twenty twenty four around it was winter because remember I

1124
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:02,880
was walking a trail that I should have had snowshoes on,

1125
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,840
but I just said, screw it, I'm going to just

1126
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,039
walk this trail in my boots because I want to

1127
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:12,159
get to the lake. And it was a different side

1128
01:06:12,159 --> 01:06:13,840
of the trail that I hadn't been on in a while,

1129
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,480
a lot of snow, and I was just walking along

1130
01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:22,519
and I heard a female say hi, not too far

1131
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:28,480
away from where I had seen a structure before snow.

1132
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:34,599
Speaker 2: Like actually said hi or telepath boot said hi, okay.

1133
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,039
Speaker 1: And I had to stop and I had to do

1134
01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:39,519
my thing. And I had to do my thing. Was

1135
01:06:39,559 --> 01:06:42,280
this a ghost? Is this is this? What? What what

1136
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,280
energy am I dealing with? So I had to stop

1137
01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:46,599
because it cut me off guard, which they that's what

1138
01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:51,320
they do, you know, I mean random, you know, And

1139
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:55,079
I stopped and I was like, okay, I'm going to

1140
01:06:55,159 --> 01:06:58,159
feel into the energy. I'm like, oh, this is a

1141
01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:03,559
female sasquatch. Well this is okay, thank you, hi. And

1142
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:05,440
I just went along my merry way because it was

1143
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,400
winter and the snow was deep. And so then I

1144
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:13,199
get home. This is just another one of those stories

1145
01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:17,639
where I'm like, she's crazy. So I get home and

1146
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:22,960
I see an ear ring on my rug when I

1147
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,880
walk in the door. That should not be there because

1148
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:29,559
it's not my earring. Okay, now my earring. My son

1149
01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:31,960
is not here. He don't wear ear rings. He's at work.

1150
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:39,360
And it's shiny and it's metal, and I'm like, where

1151
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,639
did that come from? M I just had an interaction

1152
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:46,440
with a female sasquorch. How did this earring get in

1153
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:51,039
my on my carpet? Okay, we're gonna write, We're gonna

1154
01:07:51,079 --> 01:07:53,440
take notes. Now, we're gonna note put this in the notebook,

1155
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,119
and we're gonna document this because someday I might write

1156
01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:59,119
a book I don't know, And you know, I have

1157
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:00,760
to have a sense of humor about it, because this

1158
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:01,960
kind of stuff is crazy.

1159
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the heck.

1160
01:08:03,679 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: So I've told a few people about that story, which

1161
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,559
they all think it's cool, because you know, I'm not

1162
01:08:08,599 --> 01:08:10,519
going to just tell some random person on the street

1163
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:15,800
by the way, you know, or anybody in my family

1164
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:16,600
who thinks I'm nuts.

1165
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 2: But I have a friend. I won't tell her name

1166
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:26,000
because I don't know if she'd want me to, but

1167
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:31,239
she's probably listening to this episode. I hope she has.

1168
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:38,199
She'd better be. She finds those little, stretchy black hair

1169
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:44,439
ties really everywhere. Now we've been discussing that, trying to

1170
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,479
figure it out. She's enlisted my help trying to understand it.

1171
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:52,359
She's someone who's had experiences with the paranormal her entire life.

1172
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,920
We did meet through the Bigfoot world. She doesn't think

1173
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,239
it's Bigfoot related at all. I don't think it's Bigfoot related. Uh,

1174
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,039
it doesn't seem to have any connection to the Bigfoot.

1175
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:07,479
But she told me she was finding them, and at

1176
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,239
first I was like, oh, yeah, I see those hair

1177
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:12,039
ties every now and then. But she only finds black ones,

1178
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:18,720
and she has found hundreds hundreds. It's always just like

1179
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,920
a random thing. She just looks down and there's one

1180
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,159
lane there, wow. And we can't figure it out. We

1181
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:27,920
don't know who's leaving them, why they're leaving them, what's

1182
01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:30,680
the message behind the leaving of the airbands.

1183
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:35,560
Speaker 1: So she doesn't think it's sasquatch, no, no, just maybe

1184
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,720
it's somebody who's passed away. That that's their clue. Yeah, right, yeah,

1185
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,000
somebody that's passed away and that's their way.

1186
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:46,359
Speaker 2: I mean as a point, I started paying attention trying

1187
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,159
to find them, and I have found one, like the

1188
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:53,560
past year where she's found dozens. I don't know, it's

1189
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:54,119
it's weird.

1190
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's one. I wonder if it's one

1191
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,359
of her guides or one of her like you know,

1192
01:09:58,439 --> 01:09:59,279
Guardian Angels.

1193
01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. There's another guy who is. He

1194
01:10:05,279 --> 01:10:09,960
was a Navajo ranger. He's pretty well known at this

1195
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,039
point for him and his partner's involvement. They would investigate

1196
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,600
paranormal encrypted things on behalf of the Navajo nation. And

1197
01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:23,119
he was in a paranormal investigation at some point inside

1198
01:10:23,119 --> 01:10:26,239
of a building and these coins started showing up like

1199
01:10:26,359 --> 01:10:29,880
loose pocket change. And he's still finding them, and he's

1200
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,800
found like, you know, hundreds of dollars worth of quarters

1201
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,560
and nickels and dimes that just like he'll leave the room,

1202
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,720
come back in the room and there'll be like three

1203
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:43,279
or four nickels laying on his desk just out of Yeah, yeah,

1204
01:10:43,359 --> 01:10:45,199
that must be nice. But everything start leaving, like one

1205
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:48,000
hundred dollar bills or something, But that would be great.

1206
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:53,479
But yeah, the whole phenomenon of materialization of physical objects

1207
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:57,279
that are like clearly human, that's such a weird thing.

1208
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wouldn't have I would not have made

1209
01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:03,640
the connection if it wouldn't for the female, you know,

1210
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,720
the interaction and then to come home in the earring.

1211
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,760
It's like, Okay, here's the connection. I don't know. I mean,

1212
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,319
even the button I phoned says on it home homemade

1213
01:11:12,359 --> 01:11:15,600
with love. Oh wow, that's what the that's what the

1214
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,640
I mean. It's clearly a button that you would like

1215
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,840
sew on a jacket or something, but it says, yeah,

1216
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,439
homemade love on it, And I'm thinking, what the heck?

1217
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:26,760
I mean, that's just cool stuff.

1218
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: I mean, when did your second sighting happen?

1219
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:34,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so my first sighting was June July twenty twenty three.

1220
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,840
The second sighting was more into winter, so I want

1221
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:41,640
to say, like augustinter decemberish, I head out to this

1222
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,880
hiking area where i'm ben for the last year and

1223
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,560
a half now, and I went to the other side.

1224
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,399
There's two different ways, two different access ways to get

1225
01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:54,000
there by car, and I decided I'm going to go

1226
01:11:54,199 --> 01:11:57,920
on the east end access versus the west end. And

1227
01:11:58,279 --> 01:12:00,319
did I decide that or did somebody nudge me to

1228
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:04,439
go there? I think I was nudged. But it's winter,

1229
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,319
but it's not a like cold winter day, not a

1230
01:12:08,359 --> 01:12:11,920
whole lot of snow on the ground. It's probably i'd say,

1231
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:16,560
in the forties. So I take the east access point,

1232
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,960
get out of my vehicle, I start down the trail,

1233
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:24,239
and this trail from this side loops off to You

1234
01:12:24,279 --> 01:12:27,159
can either go left or right because all these trails

1235
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:31,720
kind of intersect with each other. And I said out loud,

1236
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,760
should I go left or should I go right? And

1237
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,239
I'm just like, I'm going to go right. I don't

1238
01:12:36,359 --> 01:12:38,079
know if it felt like I needed to go right

1239
01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:41,920
or I was getting pushed right. But obviously because I

1240
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:51,800
started walking right, I'm probably a minute in and there's

1241
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,119
going to be this corner that's going to come up.

1242
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,600
It's going to be like a curve and I can

1243
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:05,239
see something bend it over. And at first, from where

1244
01:13:05,239 --> 01:13:09,600
I was, because I'm not wearing my glasses, it looked

1245
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:14,760
like a guy was bending over wearing black. From where

1246
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,199
I was at this moment, it looked like black snowpants

1247
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,239
bending over away from me. Now, keep in mind, I've

1248
01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:23,199
told them over and over, please, if you're going to

1249
01:13:23,239 --> 01:13:24,880
show yourself to me, don't scare me.

1250
01:13:25,079 --> 01:13:26,359
Speaker 2: Don't don't do it.

1251
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do it in a way where I'm gonna go,

1252
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,359
Holy f I'm just I'm gonna have a heart attack.

1253
01:13:33,359 --> 01:13:36,319
I'm fifty eight years old. I don't need this. So

1254
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:42,520
as I'm getting closer, I'm realizing that's hair, that's fur soless.

1255
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:46,760
Somebody's wearing long, furry boots. And I'm getting closer and

1256
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,920
I'm like, I'm this is my second sighting. Oh my gosh,

1257
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:55,560
And I'm trying not to get like I'm I'm nervous

1258
01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:01,279
and I'm anxious. And I did stop because again I'm stopping,

1259
01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:03,279
and I'm like, I don't know should I turn around

1260
01:14:03,279 --> 01:14:06,319
and go back or should I keep going forward? So

1261
01:14:07,279 --> 01:14:09,680
I just keep pushing myself forward because I mean, even

1262
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,680
though at this point, I shouldn't be scared, and I'm

1263
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,920
not scared. I still get that immediate oh my god,

1264
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:19,039
what am I seeing? It stands up and it starts

1265
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:21,000
walking fast, and I was like, now I'm going to

1266
01:14:21,079 --> 01:14:23,119
have to walk faster to keep up because there's going

1267
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:26,600
to be a corner coming up, and then at that

1268
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,960
next corner it wies off to the left or the right,

1269
01:14:31,079 --> 01:14:34,640
But those whys are so long that by the time

1270
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,079
I catch up around this corner, I'm going to see

1271
01:14:38,079 --> 01:14:41,600
which way it went unless it's you know. And I've

1272
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,960
got this all going in my head as I'm picking

1273
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,640
up my pace now because I want it. As it's

1274
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,079
rounding the corner, walking away from me, standing straight up.

1275
01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:53,159
I get to that corner, it's gone. It is gone,

1276
01:14:54,079 --> 01:14:56,399
and it's gone, and I'm like, okay, now I'm going

1277
01:14:56,479 --> 01:15:00,439
to start running because if it made it to the why,

1278
01:15:01,319 --> 01:15:03,199
it had to go right or left. But the right

1279
01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:06,680
left is so long that I'm going to see it running.

1280
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:11,439
So I get to the why. Nothing, it's gone. So

1281
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,960
I backtracked and I don't see any I don't see

1282
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:18,960
any tracks, nothing in the snow. I backtrack to where

1283
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:22,720
I saw it stand up and start walking away from me,

1284
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,359
and I don't see any prince. I don't see where

1285
01:15:26,399 --> 01:15:32,920
it went. But this one was taller than the Juvie,

1286
01:15:33,319 --> 01:15:41,479
darker black, but still not very wide, more broad shouldered

1287
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,039
than the first one. But where did it go? Where

1288
01:15:44,079 --> 01:15:49,880
did he go? And I mean, through the years, I've

1289
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,800
heard deep swishes in the woods when I'm out there,

1290
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:58,560
I see branches moving, I've seen I've seen things that

1291
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,600
I'm attributing to Sasso because it's not going to be

1292
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:02,960
a bear. It's not going to be a deer, not

1293
01:16:03,039 --> 01:16:06,000
when it's that heavy, not when it's that much of

1294
01:16:06,039 --> 01:16:11,840
a swoosh. But then there's times like this where I

1295
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,840
start picking up my pace and it's gone. So I

1296
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,920
either took off in the woods or hit the y

1297
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,439
and it went in the woods. It was just so

1298
01:16:23,279 --> 01:16:25,920
if I was wrong and it wasn't a sasquatch and

1299
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,720
it was a human, how did it get away from

1300
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,079
me so quick? I would have seen it, because the

1301
01:16:31,159 --> 01:16:33,279
trail is a straight shot once you get to that.

1302
01:16:33,319 --> 01:16:36,920
Why both ways, nobody's running that fast away from me.

1303
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:45,199
So that was, yeah, a different color, similar stature, but

1304
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:47,880
wider in the shoulders. But I'm getting the back view,

1305
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,880
not the front view. And you know Who's what am

1306
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:52,239
I going to do? Pull out my phone and take

1307
01:16:52,279 --> 01:16:53,920
a picture. Why don't I think of these things?

1308
01:16:54,319 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: Nobody does. I don't care who you are. Nobody does.

1309
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 1: It's with me. Yeah, And I have another another story

1310
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:08,600
about a tree, the mushroom tree. A lot of people.

1311
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,359
I don't know if it's just an Upper Michigan, Michigan

1312
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:18,720
across this parallel where we live. But there's this medicine

1313
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:23,319
mushroom that's on a tree called Chaga. And then there's

1314
01:17:23,359 --> 01:17:27,399
another one called polyvor or poly I think it's called Polyvorn.

1315
01:17:27,399 --> 01:17:29,960
I might have pronounced that wrong. But it grows on

1316
01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:35,319
birch trees. Polypor and chaga. They grow on birch trees

1317
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:39,760
and Native American cultures use them to make tea and tinctures.

1318
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,000
And this was going to this would be now between

1319
01:17:44,079 --> 01:17:47,119
my first and second sighting, so this would be late

1320
01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:52,479
fall twenty twenty three. I'm walking through the forest on

1321
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,159
a different trail that loops with one of the other

1322
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:59,720
trails on the west side. It's an old railroad grade,

1323
01:18:00,079 --> 01:18:04,479
and I see this old birch tree and I'm looking

1324
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:08,840
at it's either Chaga or polyport. It's one of the two.

1325
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,800
I get them mixed up and I'm like, oh, look

1326
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,880
it there, and I'm saying this out loud. There's some

1327
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,760
medicinal mushroom on that tree. Too bad, I can't reach it.

1328
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,039
And I was trying to figure out a way. You know,

1329
01:18:21,079 --> 01:18:22,960
I'm not going to climb this tree because there's no

1330
01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:26,239
way to climb it. It's just a straight and it

1331
01:18:26,319 --> 01:18:31,159
was an older birch tree. The top of it was

1332
01:18:31,319 --> 01:18:33,279
like the very top of it was gone, but it

1333
01:18:33,359 --> 01:18:36,359
had all these medicinal mushrooms on it. But the closest

1334
01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:38,520
one was definitely not within my reach because I would

1335
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,159
have had to go off of the grade and then

1336
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:42,720
I would have been down in kind of a ditch,

1337
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,359
and there was no way for me to get to

1338
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:50,600
this one that would have been at the you know,

1339
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,039
the base of the base of the tree. I still

1340
01:18:52,039 --> 01:18:53,399
wasn't going to be able to reach that. So I'm

1341
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,760
standing there and I'm going it'd be really great if

1342
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,399
I could get some of that and bring it home

1343
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,840
and make tinctures, because I've done that before. And I

1344
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,800
said that out loud, and I'm standing there looking at

1345
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,399
it for a little bit, and then I was just like, well,

1346
01:19:05,399 --> 01:19:06,880
I'm just going to keep walking because you know, it's

1347
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:10,079
just kind of a bummer. I can't reach that. I

1348
01:19:10,119 --> 01:19:13,479
don't know. Three four days, five days later, I'm back

1349
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:19,079
out at the same trail, and the tree had been

1350
01:19:19,119 --> 01:19:25,119
pushed over, and I look around and I go, well,

1351
01:19:25,159 --> 01:19:27,079
I don't know if this is coincidence, and I don't

1352
01:19:27,079 --> 01:19:28,920
know if this is just nature. I don't you know,

1353
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,920
I'm trying to debunk it, because back in the paranormal field,

1354
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,119
I tried to debunk pretty much everything before I would

1355
01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:38,920
subscribe to it being supernatural. I'm sitting there going, okay,

1356
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:43,760
one of two things. The Sasquatch folk heard me when

1357
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,439
I was out here talking the other day about how

1358
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,560
much I wanted the medicinal mushroom and I just couldn't

1359
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,279
reach it, and they knocked the tree over for me,

1360
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:54,439
or nature did it one of the two. But I

1361
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,399
ended up getting some medicinal mushroom to take home.

1362
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:03,119
Speaker 2: I mean, again, what are the odds? I mean, what

1363
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:05,800
are the odds? Really? The exact tree, not just a

1364
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,880
random tree, but the exact tree, the.

1365
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: Exact tree, and where it was snapped off was like

1366
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:17,239
right in them, so it would have been about seven

1367
01:20:17,279 --> 01:20:20,720
feet up snapped off, and then the top of it

1368
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,359
was laying on the ground, and there was all kinds

1369
01:20:24,399 --> 01:20:26,960
of mushrooms, you know, on there that I could take

1370
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,920
home and dry out and make tea. It's one or

1371
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,319
the other. It's either the Sasquatch folk or it's not

1372
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,439
nature did it. And I'm leaning towards the Asquatch, of course,

1373
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,199
But that and that isn't that doesn't known it. And

1374
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:39,880
that is one of the areas where I have felt

1375
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:45,000
their energy before too. So you know, within thirty foot

1376
01:20:45,079 --> 01:20:48,600
radius there, I've had rocks thrown at me. Not at me,

1377
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,239
but thrown I don't want to say at me, like

1378
01:20:51,279 --> 01:20:53,000
they were trying to hit me, but rocks, you know,

1379
01:20:53,079 --> 01:20:54,000
thrown in my path.

1380
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,119
Speaker 2: You said something earlier that caught my attention that I

1381
01:20:58,199 --> 01:20:59,119
have to ask about.

1382
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:10,159
Speaker 1: Okay, aliens, Oh, aliens, Yeah, what about it? Well, you know,

1383
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:12,399
when I start talking about the alien stuff, then it

1384
01:21:12,399 --> 01:21:15,199
gets really because the alien stuff didn't start until after

1385
01:21:15,279 --> 01:21:16,600
the Big Foot showed up in my life.

1386
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 2: Hmm.

1387
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: So I'm still digesting that. And that's a whole like

1388
01:21:21,279 --> 01:21:23,399
it's like dog Man. Dog Man showed up in the

1389
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:24,239
paranormal world.

1390
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,039
Speaker 2: In the paranormal world.

1391
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had more than one dog man encounter. I

1392
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,399
think I've had, well, there's two encounters with this family

1393
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:35,159
that I was working with because they needed to deal

1394
01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:37,920
with some of their stuff. That's a paranormal story for

1395
01:21:38,079 --> 01:21:39,880
like I don't know a movie, I'm not sure, but

1396
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,840
the dog man that was attached to their family, there

1397
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,840
was two encounters, and then I've had one encounter where

1398
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:52,199
I live now. But the alien stuff didn't start showing

1399
01:21:52,279 --> 01:21:56,159
up until after Bigfoot, and I don't put too much

1400
01:21:56,199 --> 01:21:59,560
attention there because yeah, I don't know where that's going

1401
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,279
to go. I don't know.

1402
01:22:02,119 --> 01:22:04,199
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to come back for a part

1403
01:22:04,199 --> 01:22:07,560
two and talk about sure that stuff and the dog

1404
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,800
man stuff and the paranormal stuff and all that stuff.

1405
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Aliens and abductions would be wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Oh and abductions, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Aliens, abductions, abductions showing up in my in my kitchen, yep.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just a normal. I'm just a normal

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girl walking around on this planet trying to be normal,

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which I'm not. My normal is normal to me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're failing miserably if you're trying to be normal.

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I hate to burst your bubble. But you suck at

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being normal, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's yeah, it's an interesting it's an interesting life,

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it really is.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on and sharing your insight and

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your stories, and I look forward to having you back

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on for a part two.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks for thanks for inviting me. I was. It

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was a blast. It's great. I can't wait. I can't

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wait to do part two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I got lots more questions.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, Hopefully I'll have some answers or I'll have

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I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And if you've had your own experience with sasquatch or

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the paranormal, or aliens or anything else you can't explain,

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send me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.

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Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find

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links to social media, merchandise, past episodes, everything you need,

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all in one place. And until next time, remember there's

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something in the woods.