1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasicco's I am Dana Valley coming at 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,599 you with my certified fantabulous co host, the one, the only, 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,320 mister Grant Hughes. We're on to another trade deadline primer 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,640 over here at Hardwood Knox. 5 00:00:16,879 --> 00:00:19,399 Speaker 2: We're quickly reaching. We might be there already. 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: This could be the second podcast of the day from 7 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:25,600 us that you're listening or Washington. We were reaching that territory, folks, 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,039 because we can't sit on these anymore. Hashtag Giannis attend 9 00:00:29,079 --> 00:00:31,679 to Kompo, just blowing up our Bucks trade deadline primer 10 00:00:32,039 --> 00:00:34,880 before we dive into the Lakers. 11 00:00:35,079 --> 00:00:36,399 Speaker 2: Grant, how the heck are you doing? 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,079 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just reeling. I didn't I did not 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,439 think we'd be recording on the day that Austin Reeves 14 00:00:42,439 --> 00:00:46,799 got traded to Cleveland. Just a pretty big How was that? 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:47,320 Was that better? 16 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,399 Speaker 1: Was that a better ext You burned it too quickly. 17 00:00:50,679 --> 00:00:52,399 We should have had an actual discussion. But I can't 18 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:55,320 believe they only got Lonzo Ball and Dean Wade for him. 19 00:00:56,039 --> 00:00:58,359 Speaker 3: Look, we got a few more of these. We'll get there. 20 00:00:58,439 --> 00:01:00,439 We'll get a perfect We'll get a perfect Sponts at 21 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:02,640 some point. Do them well excited to talk about the Lakers, 22 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,560 if only because I mean, they're just like there's been 23 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,480 so much discussion about them lately. I do feel I 24 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:14,560 feel obliged. I feel like we are obligated to pour 25 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,439 some water on like a lot of the nonsense surrounding 26 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,640 the Lakers and what they can and cannot do or 27 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,040 will or won't do at this deadline. 28 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: Right And I'm sure we'll talk about it throughout, but 29 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,400 we do want to talk more about the Baxter Holmes 30 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:30,200 report that was just by the way. I love that stuff, 31 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,799 and I hope that we can get back to a 32 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,640 point where there's more of it that we could read. 33 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,359 I know that's not the content people seem to be 34 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,000 itching for, but very illuminating. Let's get started, though, with 35 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,120 the trade deadline vitals. You're able to take us through 36 00:01:41,439 --> 00:01:42,959 the Lakers' trade deadline vitals. 37 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: Absolutely, they are about just a little over seven million, 38 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,319 seven point one over the tax They are though projected 39 00:01:50,359 --> 00:01:52,599 to have like fifty five million or a little more 40 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,680 in cap space this summer. That assumes Austin Reeves cap hold. 41 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,000 That also assumes Lebron James is not there. You may 42 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,480 have heard he is on an expiring contract for the 43 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:03,959 first time in queste time. Yeah, no, I know, maybe 44 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,760 we should have led with that. Lebron James might not 45 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:09,400 be back, were you aware. They can probably get to 46 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:12,280 about thirty million in twenty twenty seven cap space, even 47 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,039 if they max out Reeves. That's another interesting not really 48 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:18,000 germane to the trade deadline, but what they pay Austin 49 00:02:18,039 --> 00:02:20,800 Reeves is going to be fascinating. That number. Actually, that 50 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,719 thirty million plus figure goes up if they can dump 51 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,439 Jared Vanderbilt, which we will discuss the likelihood of. They 52 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:30,879 cannot trade an outright first round until they're twenty thirty 53 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,199 one pick, so they only have and they also only 54 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,080 have a twenty thirty two second to trade right now 55 00:02:37,199 --> 00:02:40,039 with respect to that first round stuff. That will also 56 00:02:40,159 --> 00:02:44,000 change this offseason, and that's a relevant detail when we're 57 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,879 discussing what their options and aims might be. 58 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I want to start here because you 59 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,800 mentioned the Reeves number, and he's been injured too, so 60 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,840 this is all just murky territory. Do you view him 61 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,240 as untouchable, especially with the Lebron stuff sort of floating around? 62 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:06,599 Speaker 3: Uh, untouchable pretty close, I think, just because if you 63 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:09,240 assume Lebron is gone and you want a second playmaker 64 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,680 with Luca, which I think you still do the blueprint, 65 00:03:11,719 --> 00:03:14,520 the Kyrie of it all as a sort of guide 66 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:16,759 for how you want to build around Luca, or I 67 00:03:16,759 --> 00:03:20,319 don't know, throwing Jalen Brunson the old previous Jalen Brunson 68 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,479 one point zero as like an example of what kinds 69 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:28,080 of players you want around Luca. I think he's pretty 70 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,400 close to untouchable. Like, what is the scenario where you're 71 00:03:30,439 --> 00:03:33,000 moving him? Do you have? That's an unfair question, but. 72 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: So I think that obviously it's oh if we get 73 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,000 bowled over by an offer, But I look at it 74 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:40,800 through the lens of do you think that you can 75 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,159 build a defense that is sustainably good enough when Luca 76 00:03:45,199 --> 00:03:48,159 and Austin Reeves are just your two backcourt players, And 77 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:50,960 I know that Austin Reeves is not he has more size. 78 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: You mentioned Jalen Brunton has more size than him. 79 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: But if you're the Lakers, it gives you very little 80 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,199 margin for error at other positions, to where DeAndre and 81 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,080 can't be your long term starting center. Ruey hot Chimore 82 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:05,759 is great, but like what type of playoff minutes can 83 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,400 he play? If he's going to be one of your 84 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,960 primary wings, you could just say, oh, you just need 85 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,479 to upgrade the Lebron spot and get someone younger and better. 86 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,919 Speaker 2: Who's there. That's like we're looking at. 87 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:17,079 Speaker 1: I think if you're committing to the Reeves and Luca, 88 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:20,120 which to be fair, Reeves, if he doesn't get injured, 89 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:22,040 is probably making the All Star team. 90 00:04:22,199 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: That's how good he was. 91 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:25,519 Speaker 1: He showed he could carry lineups, not just without Luca, 92 00:04:25,639 --> 00:04:28,839 without both Luca and Lebron. Right with all of that said, 93 00:04:29,319 --> 00:04:32,240 you're looking at minimum. To me, well you need an 94 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,720 elite wing and then an elite defensive center, and they 95 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:38,560 have neither of those things right now. And so I think, yeah, 96 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:41,519 if they make the calculus of well, someone gonna give 97 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,959 us two or three first round picks for Reeves in 98 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,959 advance of free agency, and does that like, are we 99 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,240 better off going Matt direction? 100 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: And we do have cap space where the Lakers I wouldn't. 101 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: I'm not shopping Reeves especially, I don't know between free 102 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,439 agency and then his injury, I do that probably hurts 103 00:04:56,439 --> 00:04:58,319 his value a little bit and teams know they have 104 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,680 to pay him. So how what's the team that's giving 105 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,199 you more than two first round picks for Reeves, knowing 106 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:05,160 they have to max him out. But it's just I 107 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,680 do think it's an important exercise to go through a 108 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,680 well how are you building out? Because under Rob Polinka 109 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,319 they have done a terrible job of getting players who 110 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:17,879 play both ends of the floor. 111 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's done into Anthony Davis and that's like basically it. 112 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,199 Speaker 3: I think that's fair. I would say I'm pretty comfortable 113 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,759 with him and Luke, Like I this would be a 114 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,600 different conversation if Reeves hadn't looked quite as spectacular as 115 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,879 he did offensively, just because like I don't I feel 116 00:05:37,879 --> 00:05:39,879 like you'll understand when I say this, Like he's not 117 00:05:39,959 --> 00:05:42,959 Kyrie Irving, but like the level he was playing at 118 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:46,240 was like pretty close to like a Kyrie level of 119 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,000 efficiency and effectiveness and really statistically probably above it, but 120 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,199 small samples he you know, plays he's played twenty three 121 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:57,480 games as we're recording this. If he's you know, the 122 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,800 last year Austin Reeves, who's still like twenty five and 123 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,160 five on good efficiency, I'm more concerned about that not 124 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:06,600 being good enough to offset the defensive challenges, or I'm 125 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:10,279 more concerned about that just requiring you to hit a 126 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,439 lot of home runs on your role play your two 127 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:17,639 way role guys. I think, I just I know, maybe 128 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,040 this isn't fair, and you can maybe remind me to 129 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,680 stop doing this. But like I don't know, Dallas figured 130 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,120 it out. You go get PJ. Washington and Daniel Gafford 131 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,120 and you have a healthy Derek Lively and your defensive infrastructures, 132 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,920 like that's enough to make a finals, Like you know 133 00:06:30,959 --> 00:06:34,480 what I mean, Like that, it's not easy. You would 134 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:36,560 love to have more two way guys and not have 135 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,399 just like two offense only players be your main pillars. 136 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:42,399 But I think it also helps that Luca is essentially 137 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:44,600 going to guard forwards all the time. So it's not 138 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,600 like it's a little different than like the Lillard McCollum 139 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,720 Blazer's back court where or even like Mitchell's been better. 140 00:06:52,759 --> 00:06:55,600 But like the Mitchell Garland it's not the same as 141 00:06:55,639 --> 00:07:00,319 having too smallish you have to guard guards, you know, 142 00:07:00,439 --> 00:07:04,160 lead playmakers. Just because Luca is effectively like he can 143 00:07:04,199 --> 00:07:07,160 sort of only guard power forwards, you know. Uh So 144 00:07:07,879 --> 00:07:12,519 that also makes it that makes me feel better about 145 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,519 Reeves being he doesn't have to be untouchable but like, no, no, no, 146 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:18,480 he's gonna be here and we're gonna pay him like 147 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:18,879 a star. 148 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: Well, let me put my Rich Paul hat on for 149 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:24,360 a second. Would you prefer to have to build around 150 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:27,600 Luca and Jaron Jackson Junior or Luca and Austin Reeves. 151 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,319 Speaker 3: That's a different question. If you can give me Jaron 152 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:33,240 Jackson Junior, I will join Rich Paul and you wearing 153 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:35,920 the hat and saying like that just makes more sense 154 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:39,519 having a I was gonna say, having a player like 155 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:43,680 Jared Jackson Jr. Of which there are like I'll wait, 156 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:44,759 like how many you know? 157 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: He's so he's such an imperfect player, but he's also 158 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,519 just such a hard archetype to replicate. 159 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:54,199 Speaker 3: Right, if Jared Jackson Junior is actually on the table, 160 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,199 you could you could talk me into moving Austin Reeves 161 00:07:57,199 --> 00:07:58,759 for him? Do you do you? What do you think? 162 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,639 You take the Rich Paul hat off and be dan 163 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,199 for a second. Are you interested in that sort of 164 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:05,040 reorienting of the team. 165 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: Well, but what happens at that point is and are 166 00:08:08,079 --> 00:08:09,600 you bringing this is to me? 167 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:09,879 Speaker 3: One? 168 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,519 Speaker 1: It's happening over the offseason when they have more Pickscause 169 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,680 you're unless you think like this one first round pick 170 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:16,920 it No, okay, I'm just I was. 171 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:20,959 Speaker 2: Just asking, okay, like. 172 00:08:21,079 --> 00:08:23,959 Speaker 1: Now you need your secondary score because I think Jared 173 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,680 Jackson Junior kind of had that year and a half 174 00:08:25,759 --> 00:08:28,000 where it was, oh, all right, this guy's expanded its 175 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,360 back and now it's I'm of the mind, you know, 176 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,320 maybe alongside Luca it's different having him as the number 177 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,919 two option, But with Reeves you can look at it 178 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,240 and say, oh, we have like two number ones basically, 179 00:08:40,879 --> 00:08:44,000 And so is it easier to find what you believe 180 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:46,200 is going to be? Is it easier to insulate or 181 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:51,759 probably build around Luca defensively or to find the second option. 182 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 3: I think that it's easier to find. Like I don't 183 00:08:57,799 --> 00:09:01,360 think if you have Luca, your second guy needs to 184 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:04,519 be as good as this year's version of Reeves was 185 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,759 for the offense to like be very dangerous. 186 00:09:06,799 --> 00:09:08,159 Speaker 2: Okay, so you know what I mean. 187 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: I think it's easier to to to find a lesser 188 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,120 version of Reeves or just you keep what we're trading 189 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:19,320 Reeves in this hypothetical. But like the version of Reeves 190 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,320 that we saw the last two years prior to this 191 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,080 one is probably good enough as your second creator next 192 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,600 to Luca, it's way harder to say, like because what's 193 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:31,519 what of all the discussions about the Lakers, like failing 194 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:33,519 has been about this. It's just like the defense isn't 195 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,399 good enough that like there's not enough interior punch from 196 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:39,799 the center, there's not enough like you need you might 197 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:42,720 need a Jaron Jackson type defender slash two way guy 198 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,039 up front two that just feels harder to find and 199 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,039 it feels more important to a team led by Luca 200 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,600 I think, I think do. 201 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: You think that their offer if they just put so 202 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,799 they have cap space. So in theory, you could say, 203 00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:57,519 if Memphis wants any of their players, they could have them, 204 00:09:57,639 --> 00:10:01,480 Let's say, but three first round picks for Jaraon Jackson 205 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:04,080 Junior or Memphis just doesn't have to take back any money. 206 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,440 Is that even an appetizing offer. 207 00:10:08,639 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: For Memphis? 208 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: I mean, so it'd be. 209 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: Twenty six, thirty one, and thirty three, and you could, 210 00:10:14,039 --> 00:10:16,720 let's say they include swaps. 211 00:10:17,279 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: Yeah with man so you could just which is like 212 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,879 kind of funny money, right, like you could you could 213 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,960 you Memphis could leave this thing like we got six 214 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,039 first round assets for Jaron Jackson Jr. I mean if 215 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,600 you're the Grizzlies. I think the only thing gives me 216 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,000 pause is I would wonder how much I how much 217 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,559 value there is in shorting the future of Luka Doncic. 218 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,120 There might be some uh what they call Nico and 219 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,080 asked you might I was like, going, right, uh, yeah, 220 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,080 I don't know. I'm interested in that. It's just that's 221 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,120 an off season thing though. 222 00:10:48,159 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: Obviously now that's at a point where you're basically building 223 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,080 around three max guys with Reeves, Jackson and Luka. But 224 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,879 that's as far as just like you can intuitive three 225 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,600 like three like that's super intriguing to me. 226 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're then you're then you're like, we just 227 00:11:04,399 --> 00:11:07,600 need well, then you need a couple, you need two, 228 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,559 three and d like wing sized players, which is not easy. 229 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,559 But you know, maybe you get those guys on the 230 00:11:12,639 --> 00:11:14,639 cheap because everybody wants to come be a part of 231 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:16,960 what you would assume as a contender with with those 232 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:17,919 other three guys. 233 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: Well, so what does this team need. 234 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: I feel like we've sent it like we could just 235 00:11:21,519 --> 00:11:24,360 get through quickly, but it feels two way wings and 236 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:25,480 I think they need Jackson. 237 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:27,159 Speaker 2: Hayes has been pretty good this year. 238 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton has been DeAndre Ayton is how I would 239 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,320 probably categorize it. So I would say they need an upgrade. 240 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:35,480 He was who he thought he was, right, I'd say 241 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:38,320 they need a center upgrade. Like those are the two things, right? 242 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,200 They don't need another offensive creator because Reeves will be 243 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,759 and Lebron is still he's still I mean he's forty 244 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:44,759 one and he's still pretty good. 245 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think that's right. Uh what would you 246 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,799 if I don't? Maybe I don't. It's hard to keep 247 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:55,360 talking about them without stepping on the whole, like they're 248 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,159 probably not going to do anything quite let's whisper they're 249 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:00,799 not going to do anything meaningful at the headline because 250 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,519 they just have way more assets over the summer. But 251 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:06,440 if you had to pick, do you would you focus 252 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,679 on the center position or would you would your energy 253 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,559 be more directed towards like we need someone that is 254 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,799 the size of ruy Haachimura that also can play defense, 255 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:19,360 Like is it wings, slashboards or is it just the big. 256 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: Are you speaking this season or generally. 257 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: At the moment as you're analyzing this team today, like 258 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,879 if you're making a deadline move to stop the slide 259 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,200 that they've kind of been on for several weeks. Is 260 00:12:34,279 --> 00:12:36,559 it center or is it is it a wing slash? 261 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,039 Speaker 2: It's center. It's center for me for two reasons. 262 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: I think as imperfect as the results will still be 263 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:45,600 regardless of who you put there, they can just cover 264 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:48,279 up for more things by being around the basket than 265 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,039 if you have a wing defender. And the other thing 266 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,320 to me is, I think you can get a center 267 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,559 who's not just in your rotation. But if you're like 268 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,960 I would start Robert Williams the third on the Lakers 269 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,080 tomorrow if they had him, and so you can get 270 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,039 someone like that without having to give up your first 271 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:06,480 round pick in theory, yep. 272 00:13:06,919 --> 00:13:10,879 Speaker 3: And Williams is a different example because because he's expiring. 273 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,080 I agree that it's center, by the way, but also 274 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,080 like in any hypothetical like that was a bad hypo 275 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,159 because it's not just like the Lakers aren't just concerned 276 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,039 with this year obviously, like they've been a lot of 277 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,200 what they've done to this point suggests like we're kind 278 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,639 of like this year is whatever, we're thinking about the 279 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,919 Luca only version of this team. So there, in terms 280 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:34,799 of the centers you might go get like your Claxton's 281 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,720 your Jared Allen's, your Gaffords, whatever, like, those are all 282 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:40,399 guys that would you would keep and they would be 283 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:43,159 in the middle next year and beyond. Right like that, 284 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,559 It's harder to do that as I'm looking at options 285 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,039 if you're focused on wings, I think. 286 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,919 Speaker 1: And that brings up another interesting question though, was how 287 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,480 aggressive should they be broader strokes, whether they are getting 288 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,480 a wing, whether they are getting a center, Because as 289 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,679 we mentioned, you could trade one first round pick now. 290 00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:04,799 Speaker 2: Or you will have three available to you over. 291 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,159 Speaker 1: The summer, and so it seems like a no brainer, 292 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,480 but it does get I know they're not building anything 293 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,480 around Lebron anymore, but you have Lebron and Luca's Luca 294 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:16,919 now too. It's not just all well, Luca's under the 295 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:18,600 age of thirty, so we don't need to do anything 296 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:23,159 this season. So I think the conversation to me is 297 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:24,960 more of a conversation because it's not like they have 298 00:14:25,039 --> 00:14:28,559 all these seconds or intriguing players to throw around. 299 00:14:29,679 --> 00:14:31,639 Speaker 2: I think that they're most intriguing assets. 300 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: If you're moving away from giving up a first round 301 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,000 pick is well, you have a lot of expiring contracts 302 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:40,360 and so if you're willing to punt on cap space 303 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:43,799 for this summer, which their plan initially or maybe that 304 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,639 was the Clippers, was twenty twenty seven. So if you're 305 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:49,279 punting on caps, you could take back someone who's maybe 306 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:53,360 making money next year, And is that how you're getting value? 307 00:14:53,399 --> 00:14:57,320 But from your perspective, how aggressive should they be this season? 308 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,679 Speaker 3: I don't think very agressive. So to kind of outline 309 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,000 what you're talking about, between Hachimura and Gabe Vincent and Maxicliba, 310 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,879 there's just under forty one million in expiring salary. So 311 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:14,559 that's enough to get you in the conversation, not for 312 00:15:14,639 --> 00:15:18,720 the absolute apex names, which mostly aren't available anyway, but 313 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,559 with that one first rounder, if you can give someone 314 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:27,759 forty million in expiring salary, like that's compelling, but you're 315 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:34,080 probably I don't think he'd be a fit there. I 316 00:15:34,519 --> 00:15:39,600 still think that the cap space argument just it goes preserving, 317 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:42,559 It goes farther with the Lakers than it does anywhere 318 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,720 else other than like maybe Shami. I guess like it 319 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,679 just you have that has to be a factor in 320 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,360 your thinking. It's not like, well, Utah's positioned to have 321 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,559 this much. It's like, Okay, what are they what's gonna 322 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:55,440 happen with that the Lakers with Luca and with like 323 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,679 a new ownership group. That it's different because it's not baseball, 324 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,200 but it's like what it's hard to find an ownership 325 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,200 group that's been more aggressive and like and successful in 326 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:07,039 drawing in major talent than the Dodgers ownership group which 327 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,759 now runs this team too. So like, I don't know, 328 00:16:09,879 --> 00:16:12,639 just everything points to cap space being I don't know, 329 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,720 even more disproportionately valuable for the Lakers than it has 330 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:19,240 been in the past. So that would just be the 331 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,679 thing that informed my decision making more than almost any 332 00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:25,879 other factors, Like I do think as dead as we 333 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,080 talk about free agency being and as like pie in 334 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,120 the sky as we talk about cap space sometimes seeming 335 00:16:32,519 --> 00:16:35,559 for them, it's it's just different. I don't know. You 336 00:16:35,559 --> 00:16:37,639 can correct me if you think, if you disagree, but 337 00:16:37,679 --> 00:16:39,519 it's just like I'm sorry, I already won. 338 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: It was different the moment they acquired Luka Dancic. If 339 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,639 we needed any further evidence, it was things Lebron going 340 00:16:46,679 --> 00:16:50,200 to the Lakers, Anthony Davis insisting on he would only 341 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,159 go to Regard. 342 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: They gave up a lot to get him, but only 343 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:54,120 go to the Lakers. 344 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: Things just pop up for the Lakers that aren't Miami 345 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,200 and New York whatever, They just don't pop up for 346 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,840 other teams and all. So I think for the Lakers 347 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,039 this is more true than any other team. Cap space 348 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:06,880 can be used for more than free agency could be 349 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,400 used in trades, and the Lakers are a team that 350 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,240 you never see the lopsided deal of Oh, the star 351 00:17:13,279 --> 00:17:15,960 was just sent into cap space for picks. It's I 352 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,160 hate taking a stance like that might just happen for 353 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,279 the Lakers because the right star decides they want to 354 00:17:20,279 --> 00:17:22,319 go for the Lakers, and if they don't have these 355 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,599 blue chip prospects, teams are gonna say three first round picks, 356 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,920 two to three swaps, and we don't have to take 357 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,440 back basically any money. 358 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,079 Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, so, I mean it's just to speak about 359 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:36,559 it any other way, it's just like to ignore reality. 360 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,359 I think it's just like, sorry, twenty nine other teams, 361 00:17:39,599 --> 00:17:41,680 we don't feel great having to do this either, but 362 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:45,400 like the Lakers are exceptional in this regard. It's just 363 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,720 sort of undeniable. So yeah, that that informs my thinking 364 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:49,640 on their deadline. 365 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna let's bounce around a couple names, and 366 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:53,759 I just want to know if you would give up 367 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:56,359 your first like, are are these players worth giving up 368 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:57,279 your first round pick? 369 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 3: Oh? I have some for you too. I imagine they'll rule. 370 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 2: Let's go back and forth, Herb Jones. 371 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 3: That's pretty close. I would definitely think about that for 372 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:11,160 one first and some expiring money probably, Yeah, literally all 373 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,400 they have to offers, right, Yeah, well, I mean just 374 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,359 that's assumed. Okay, how about what are your thoughts on 375 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:24,200 Peyton Watson? Ooh, not on my board? I am cribbing 376 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,759 from Dave mcmanhamon rode Up wrote up something the other 377 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:29,200 day that's got some names on it. Peyton Watson was 378 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,480 the one that jumped out to me because he was 379 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:31,839 also not on my board. 380 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 2: That's interesting, do. 381 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: You, cla, do they run enough off ball actions for 382 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:41,000 him to be valuable on offense for them when he's 383 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,359 not going to have the ball, Because a lot of 384 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,680 what has happened in Denver's we've seen with him on 385 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:49,119 the ball. I well as like a I'm intrigued by 386 00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:53,160 Peyton the developed Peyton Watson as like a tertiary creator, 387 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:58,240 like attacking defenses that have sold out in other areas. 388 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: I don't know. 389 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: I mean, and then but if you have read Luca, 390 00:19:02,039 --> 00:19:03,079 how available is that? 391 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,319 Speaker 1: Because in Denver right now it's all right, no Jokic, 392 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,000 So that's a big factor that's not there. 393 00:19:09,759 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, just the athleticism and like the defence he just 394 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,680 we talked about, like if you're not getting a center, 395 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:20,720 like your needs are on the defensive perimeter and just 396 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,839 with just juice, the athleticism like that. I don't know 397 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,920 if I would him and Herb Jones is an interesting 398 00:19:27,799 --> 00:19:30,519 would you wouldn't you? If it's the first in money? 399 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:33,920 Like the Nuggets side of it is like, well, are 400 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,160 they going to be able to, you know, beat a 401 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,480 restrictive free agents offer for him? I mean probably, and 402 00:19:39,599 --> 00:19:41,799 he can if they want to, but you know that 403 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,000 that might make it easier for you to get him. 404 00:19:44,839 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 2: Tarry Ethan, I. 405 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: Was gonna take a drink of my cup and you 406 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:57,039 stopped me. Stopped me cold. Uh hm. I don't I 407 00:19:57,079 --> 00:20:00,599 guess if if I like the others better, I don't 408 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,720 know why. 409 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,559 Speaker 1: You and Moore are on a completely different way moret 410 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:07,640 would basically trade Wemby for Tari at this point. 411 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I yeah, okay, I guess I'll accept not 412 00:20:12,039 --> 00:20:14,039 being a where are you on it? Would you do that? 413 00:20:14,079 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it. 414 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: I just don't know if he's ever gonna log enough minutes, 415 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,799 and I think that, yeah, he created a ton of 416 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:22,599 defensive chaos for them, But giving up the first for 417 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,839 someone you also have to pay, So even with Peyton 418 00:20:24,839 --> 00:20:27,599 Watson kind of takes away the you know, like Herb 419 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,359 Jones is, Okay, we know what this guy costs for 420 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,440 the next four years or whatever it is. Yeah, you 421 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,480 don't know what Peyton Watson or East Harry East's gonna 422 00:20:35,519 --> 00:20:35,759 cost you. 423 00:20:36,519 --> 00:20:39,799 Speaker 3: Uh, Andrew Wiggins will cost you thirty million dollars when 424 00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:42,039 he picks up his player option for next year. Does he? 425 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,039 Speaker 1: Honestly, he's fringe to where I don't think you're getting 426 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,880 him without giving up the first round pick. But that 427 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,599 pick is so far out. If I'm the Lakers it, 428 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,200 I don't think I could. But he is probably almost 429 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,680 exactly what this team needs. 430 00:20:56,599 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: And look, Luca knows if he runs into Andrew Wigans 431 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,240 in a playoff series, he's gonna get locked down. So 432 00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:06,160 you just avoid that possibility altogether by getting Wiggins on 433 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,519 Luca's team because we know what we know what Wiggins 434 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:11,039 can do to Luca in a playoff series. This is all. 435 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:13,160 That's all irrelevant because the Warriors are going to trade 436 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,039 for him back to to warm my heart. Oh, it's 437 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:18,680 your turn, go ahead, I give you Wiggins. 438 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: Who else do I have on this? Wiggins was the 439 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,519 next name on my list. I don't know if I 440 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:25,240 have any other. Would they give up a first round 441 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:27,160 pick for that? I did have circled. I just can't 442 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,240 imagine this team doing it. 443 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 3: Pay McHale Bridges. That's not who I thought you were 444 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:38,559 gonna say. He fits what we're talking about, sort of. Uh, 445 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:41,440 I don't think I. I mean, you have to give 446 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:44,160 up a first and expirings for Bridges? Don't you like? 447 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,720 That's that's do you? 448 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 2: What do you? I mean? 449 00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 3: He's worth five He's worth five, Dan, we know it. 450 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,720 The market spoke. Uh, that's interesting. I think i'd probably 451 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,240 do that. Uh. DeAndre Hunter, that's probably a hard No. 452 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:02,880 You could probably just sign him. Uh And that's also 453 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:03,640 re winds up. 454 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not for like, I'll give up the second 455 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,599 for him for sure? What about lou dort. 456 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,559 Speaker 3: Oh Man, Yeah, I think I would do that because 457 00:22:13,559 --> 00:22:15,240 he can guard the guys Luca can't and he can 458 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,640 guard the guys Reeves can't. That That checks a lot 459 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,960 of boxes. Jonathan KAMINGA can I interest you? You're not 460 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:21,720 probably giving. 461 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:23,599 Speaker 2: Up the first for that, but oh the Warriors giving 462 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,079 a first. 463 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 3: He scored thirty points in like twenty nine minutes Dan 464 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,400 before he got hurt again. 465 00:22:30,519 --> 00:22:32,799 Speaker 1: So did you see the meme I posted in our discord. 466 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,200 Go to our discord to see it. But it was 467 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:36,599 when he re entered the rotation before getting injured. It 468 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,920 was the Joker Batman thing where it feels like you 469 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,599 and I are destined to do this. For it because 470 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:43,079 now the Warriors all of a sudden might not trade him, right. 471 00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:47,039 Speaker 3: I just end it and make it, make it stup? 472 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,039 Speaker 1: What about this is the owner's already come out and 473 00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:54,039 said he's not available, But Dylan Brooks him and Lebron 474 00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:55,599 on the same team would be a sterical. 475 00:22:55,519 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 3: Fun I mean, would Lebron just officially announced he's not 476 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:06,640 coming back If that happened, he just retires Onlas Straw. Yeah, 477 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,640 I'm not. I have never been a Brooks guy, but 478 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,680 it's hard to argue with the results where everywhere he 479 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,799 goes the team gets better. And so yeah, that's I 480 00:23:17,839 --> 00:23:21,519 feel less good. Weirdly, I almost want the Watson or 481 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,160 who else herb Jones type more than I want Brooks, 482 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,000 just because, like I just his offense like just drives 483 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,119 me nuts, the aggression and like the fade away like 484 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,880 he's been great, but like just I'd rather have the 485 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,119 more like supplementary the guy who he's recognizes he's a 486 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,200 supplementary scorer. 487 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:43,839 Speaker 1: He's shooting like double the percentage on turnaround fadeaways that 488 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,400 he is on wide open three pointers, which is just. 489 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,839 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I look, it's working for him, but that 490 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,000 doesn't feel like the best fit offensively. 491 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,559 Speaker 1: I have two more names from the same team in 492 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:58,480 the first round pick category, okay, and I I wasn't 493 00:23:58,519 --> 00:23:59,880 sure if I was going to include them, but we're 494 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,960 just caveating this with just asking questions. Jayalen Sugs are 495 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:04,759 Anthony Black? 496 00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:12,279 Speaker 3: Oh interesting, I mean Black has to does he? I 497 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:15,480 was gonna say Black has to be like the has 498 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:18,000 to cost you more because he's cheaper and he's healthy, 499 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,279 and but like Suggs is just like, can't you imagine 500 00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:24,759 sug If you get Sugs for one first, you gotta 501 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:25,559 don't really. 502 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: But magic looking at Duc that you have to involve 503 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,039 another team, But it's the Magic are saying we have 504 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:31,720 to pay Anthony Black more than Suggs. 505 00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:34,759 Speaker 2: We don't want to be in salary cap hell, so 506 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:35,279 we'll get. 507 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: Expirings this year, rope in a third team to help 508 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,440 them get out of the tax this year. And yeah, 509 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,480 that's how though, Yeah, yeah, I mean from the Lakers perspective, 510 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,079 I think either one of them would be worth your first, uh, 511 00:24:46,599 --> 00:24:50,000 but that you're also who's more likely to go for 512 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,680 that of expirings, and the first is its Sugs. But 513 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,160 the Sugs deal seems like so much money, but it's 514 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,240 declining and so it bottoms out is like thirteen percent 515 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,039 of the salary cap in his final year, but he's 516 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,559 never he's played in more than fifty five games once. 517 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 3: That's the thing, right, And like is how often does 518 00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:09,960 that trajectory reverse itself? That you know, like it's just 519 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,720 you're you're you're going on hope like more than like 520 00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:17,440 actual information or president. If you think Suggs is going to. 521 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,039 Speaker 2: Be sounds like from the Lakers for you, I. 522 00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 3: Think I still might do it because good good, yeah 523 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,160 Black is are do you think the Magic are there 524 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,279 where they're they're already Like I really like Anthony Black. 525 00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:35,440 I'm I'm just like ecstatic that this year is happening 526 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,079 for him. But do you think the Magic are at 527 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,440 a point where they're like, we probably got to move 528 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,759 off of Suggs because we know Black is going to 529 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:46,119 cost so much, Like, has is that established yet? Are 530 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:46,960 we sure yet? 531 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, because even if they have to, they're 532 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,880 they're gonna know, Like even let's say they extend him 533 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,240 this summer, they have another year before he's mega expensive. 534 00:25:56,279 --> 00:25:56,799 Speaker 2: So I don't think. 535 00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: But if and I know you don't want to short 536 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,759 a team that has Luca of Lakers putting like their 537 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,400 twenty thirty one or twenty thirty two pick on the table, 538 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,559 you have to at least think about it. Yeah, for Sugs, 539 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,720 for or I mean maybe even for Black, Like I 540 00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:11,720 don't know, like Black is shooting better than Sugs from 541 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,680 three this year, so maybe it is just Sugs. 542 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,079 Speaker 2: I don't know. 543 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 3: And Sugs really does just have the one year where 544 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,240 he shot it too, so it's in addition to the 545 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,839 health stuff. It's like, I don't know Black is really 546 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,559 I'm again just just happy to see Anthony Black becoming 547 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:27,480 Anthony Black, That's that's been fun. 548 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: Do you have any other first round pick guys or 549 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:34,480 I have a couple of No, we exhausted my list, 550 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,640 so I have. I don't know how many like non 551 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,880 first round pick guys you have, but I'll just throw 552 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,680 a bunch to you for rapid fire. So you're looking 553 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,440 at expiring money and then the hope. So it's either 554 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,440 if they're expiring money, you're hoping the Lakers twenty thirty 555 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,480 two pick is enough, or are they taking back some 556 00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:53,359 type of other contract as part of it that has 557 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,359 money into next season. Kean Ellis, Robert Williams, the third 558 00:26:58,599 --> 00:26:59,880 Those all seem like no brainers. 559 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. 560 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,759 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how involved the owner is with this 561 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:05,799 team now, We've seen some smatterings of reports. But if 562 00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:07,680 they are just looking to cut costs because the season 563 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,440 has gone off the rails, Dean Wade hhmm would be 564 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,640 excellent for this team. 565 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:16,319 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, do you think the idea of Dean Wade 566 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,359 is excellent? I think I wonder if we're if to 567 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,400 cite a current Laker, are we Maxi Kleiba and Dean 568 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,799 Wade where we're like, remember when he was this? 569 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: And I'm not are we sure, but he's still he's 570 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:31,160 still that like Maxie Kleeba was so far away from 571 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,319 what we thought he was, Like do you still that when. 572 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,279 Speaker 3: We refer to like remember when for Maxi Kleba, is 573 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:40,279 that like twenty twenty one? Is it like that long ago? 574 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 2: It was like close to the pandemic maybe around. 575 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,759 Speaker 3: Them kind of a what a player he was for 576 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:50,039 a hot minute there. Yeah, I like all those guys, 577 00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:53,400 I uh does Najie Marshall is probably going to cost 578 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,480 you first as I'm just. 579 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,839 Speaker 1: Definitely going to cost you more than a second, unless 580 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,279 are you taking back Klay Thompson as part of that deal? 581 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 2: Maybe that's how you get Naji Marshall. 582 00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, Yeah, that might get you down to a 583 00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:06,160 second because and again the money you can you can 584 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,640 make that work. Does what does Dallas wanted? Naji Marshall 585 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,400 is one of his like weirdly in like demand, not weirdly, 586 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,240 he's in demand and maybe gettable I don't know, but 587 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,880 probably not for this team. Yeah, that was the other 588 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,519 only other name I'd forgotten to mention. 589 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: I have a wachaiak Baji not gonna give me much offense, 590 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,279 but just someone come in defensively. 591 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, maybe make some threes hmmm. I mean it's 592 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,880 not that long ago he went for a first so uh, 593 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:35,920 if you get him for a second, well. 594 00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:37,079 Speaker 2: He's about to be an RFA. 595 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,759 Speaker 1: So I don't even know if and look at the 596 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:40,680 Raptors are going to get out of attack. So if 597 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,359 you could rope in a third team, I don't even 598 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,799 know if you need to give up the second round 599 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:48,640 pick to do that. I don't This is iffy. Terrence 600 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,680 Shannon junr. 601 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: Hmm. Not as important as maybe he was expected to be. 602 00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:00,920 I could. I could see so it from minnes Otis perspective, 603 00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:04,279 you're just happy with the pick and you're ready to 604 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,000 say that this isn't going to happen here. 605 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, oh right, we'll take a twenty thirty 606 00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:10,799 two second and that's like that's how. 607 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 2: It's going to be done. Yeah, that's why I was easy. 608 00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: Has he fallen that far? Maybe? I don't know he I. 609 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: Mean, I think it's injuries, but figured it out to ask. 610 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jordan Finney Smith would be funny the 611 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,799 Rockets looking at Yeah, what about Vince Williams Junior? 612 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 3: Hmmm, yeah, I could see that. Now you got me 613 00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:34,440 thinking other Grizzlies. Is there anybody else? I mean, you 614 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,440 want to take a shot on Gig Jackson and see 615 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,480 if there's any any defensive like production in a frame 616 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,480 that suggests there is defensive potential. 617 00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: Any think that JJ Reddick murders him? 618 00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 3: We just have a separate list of guys that would 619 00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:53,039 just like drive turn JJ Reddick's hair immediately white. 620 00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 4: Like. 621 00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 3: Lakers, that would make him go insane? 622 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: Would you take on? 623 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,079 Speaker 1: I wonder if they would give you picks for this, 624 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,200 but because then there is the extra year of it. 625 00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: But Terrence man. 626 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,359 Speaker 3: Uh, I mean he does kind of have the jack 627 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,119 of all trades reputation like positionally, but he's got He's 628 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,200 not expiring, is he He's got, He's got. 629 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: I think he's got another couple of years after this. 630 00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that I that's one where this is the thing. 631 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,240 It's like who the Lakers target for the second round 632 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,279 tier that we're talking about that also doesn't have money 633 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,519 going out Because we spent time talking about how they're 634 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:35,039 capt thinking such a priority. 635 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,759 Speaker 1: I think a year is fine, Like I don't know what, like, 636 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,359 I don't know how important cap space is this summer 637 00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:43,599 to them? Yeah obviously, but yeah, man doesn't come off 638 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,960 the books until after twenty seven twenty eight, right, maybe 639 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,920 you're getting picks to take him on. 640 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, and then you can theoretically. I don't know. 641 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:53,440 I'm not in love with that one. 642 00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:55,519 Speaker 1: This would have been a good first round pick to 643 00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:57,359 your name. I think you mentioned him too, But would 644 00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:57,839 you give up. 645 00:30:57,759 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: Your first round pick for Nick Claxton? 646 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,599 Speaker 3: I mean, he's better than Aydan. 647 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:07,319 Speaker 2: Spicy. 648 00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 3: Well, I'm just like, let's start there, point of order. 649 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,680 He's better than DeAndre and any opposed, And that is 650 00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:20,400 kind of like I think I a man, because when 651 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,119 you say would you give up your first for him, 652 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,359 you're also saying are you willing to give up the 653 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,359 ability to use three firsts correct in the summer? So 654 00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:32,599 I think maybe in light of that, I would change 655 00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:34,519 some of my answers to would you give up a 656 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:38,200 first for this guy? Because it's really like there's more involved. 657 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:42,720 So Claxon definitely fits fills a need, but the opportunity 658 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:44,920 cost is really high for him for all these guys. 659 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,880 You know. That's so it's fun to throw names out, 660 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,559 But I do think at least I have been I 661 00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:53,640 haven't factored in enough, Like it's not just a first 662 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,359 that you're sacrificing here. 663 00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: I don't think we've named someone that realistically you should 664 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:02,160 give up the first round pick like four to give 665 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,640 up because it is trade through it. 666 00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, that. 667 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,559 Speaker 2: Is That's the key. 668 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,799 Speaker 3: That's what I referred to earlier of like we're gonna 669 00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:10,920 circle this point and eventually I have to say it. 670 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,720 But it's like that that's it. It's not you're not 671 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,960 just trading a first. You're kind of just setting three. 672 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,759 It's not perfect, and now you're setting three on fire. 673 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:26,160 You're just you're just saying, we don't think we can 674 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,799 get somebody with these three for that'd be the only 675 00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:31,000 scenario where it makes real sense to trade this first 676 00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:33,759 is if you're just like, for some somehow you conclude 677 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,759 that in July or on Draft night twenty six, there's 678 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:40,480 not gonna be someone worth giving up three first one 679 00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:41,960 and you just like sort of can't. 680 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:42,079 Speaker 2: Know that. 681 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: Day Ron Sharp for a non first round guy. But 682 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:48,480 you need more than the one second is the problem. 683 00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:50,359 And I don't think Dalton Connect is gonna have too 684 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,079 much juice, So like Dalton Connect in the second. Yeah, 685 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:55,759 like for but Dayron Sharp would be okay, he has 686 00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:57,240 money on the books for next year, but it's a 687 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,839 team option and it's less than seven million bucks. 688 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he can get. 689 00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:06,799 Speaker 2: Another second somehow, I don't could you do? Is this 690 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,799 stupid to do? 691 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,359 Speaker 1: If it's do you trade Rui who I think you 692 00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,880 could get at least multiple seconds for maybe an end 693 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,160 of first rounder and then you're using that or would 694 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,920 you prefer them to just keep those picks to load 695 00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:18,680 up on the deal? 696 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 3: But so I was gonna ask you that too, like 697 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,240 what could you? But then aren't you if you're trading 698 00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:26,599 Rui for seconds, aren't you taking back money that probably 699 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,000 goes out beyond this season? Aren't you taking back non 700 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:30,799 expiring money? 701 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: Well, I think the goal would be don't or make 702 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,839 it like a three team deal where you know or 703 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,839 the nets take Is it Ruy to Toronto Toronto sending 704 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,720 I don't like? And then you're getting day Ron Sharp 705 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,480 from so something. 706 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,799 Speaker 3: In this hypothetical you okay, So you're getting a much 707 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,279 cheaper player who might have money going out and seconds 708 00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:55,799 for ru Hachimura. 709 00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: Right, Like what if you could get Ocha it's like 710 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,960 a multi team set up. You get day Ron shop 711 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,960 oh chiof Baji second round picks. By sending out Ruby Hachimura, 712 00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:06,200 you're kind of rebound because Ruby's going to be a 713 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,440 free agent himself and super valuable score around this team. 714 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,199 But that's not going to be in general, the offense 715 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,840 is not going to be the Lakers primary. You could 716 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,000 also trade Jake Laavia would be another guy that I 717 00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:19,440 think would get you seconds as well. 718 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I just I think you're right. 719 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,320 I think it's it seems tricky to not eat into 720 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,400 too much of your cap space, get a player that's 721 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,840 gonna help you now and in the future, and get 722 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:40,199 seconds using the tools that they have. It's it's possible, 723 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,000 but like, yeah, I don't know, Like so Ruy Ruy's 724 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,079 got some value, but like Vincent and Klieba are just 725 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,039 strictly like nobody is giving assets for those guys, right 726 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,719 unless it's just to get off money and give you 727 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,119 back worse money, right like that, I don't I don't 728 00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:58,360 know what those guys are getting you. 729 00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I think you're right. 730 00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: Do you have any other names or you want to 731 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,239 get into some takeaways from that Baxter Holmes piece. 732 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's talk about that. We haven't really discussed 733 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:09,679 it too much. 734 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 2: You wrote about it, So yeah, I mean I. 735 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 3: Wrote about just you know, for everybody's probably read it 736 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,880 by now, but it's just it's a really deeply reported 737 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,199 with lots of good sources just talking about I don't know, 738 00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:26,880 it's ultimately a story of like family betrayal and like 739 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:32,239 dissolution related to the sale of the Lakers. But in it, 740 00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:34,679 the thing that I ended up writing about was just 741 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,480 like the Lebron of it all. And you know, the 742 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:43,119 paragraphs referencing him make up three percent of the piece probably, 743 00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:46,880 but as all things must this, things circle back to him, 744 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,480 and it just to me it was just illustrated. 745 00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 2: You sound like Lebron. Now did you see the quote 746 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:52,599 he had on it? 747 00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:55,559 Speaker 1: Is like there's always gonna be stuff he said, especially 748 00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:56,000 about me. 749 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 3: So he's right, he's right. Guess he's right, He's right. No, 750 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,679 I think in some ways so it just again people 751 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,159 have read it, but like the relevant stuff is just 752 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,679 how Genie Buss was. I don't know what word you'd use. 753 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,000 There were different different adjectives attached to each of these, 754 00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:17,119 but like felt a certain type of way about Lebron 755 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:21,679 kind of not taking responsibility for the Westbrook disaster for 756 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,440 you know, there were moments where she wanted to trade 757 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,119 him to the Clippers or didn't want to give him 758 00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:28,880 an extension. There's two or three other instances of her 759 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,599 just just didn't like the amount of clout that Clutch 760 00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:34,360 and Lebron had over the team, and ad I think 761 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,000 was kind of roped into that. I don't know. To me, 762 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,960 it was just kind of like it all rang true, 763 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:45,119 it all seemed kind of fair, it all seemed kind 764 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:48,440 of unsurprising. But the takeaway to me was just like, 765 00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:53,960 if ever there was any doubt about Lebron's like current 766 00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:58,400 feelings towards and stature with the Lakers, like this kind 767 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,559 of takes care of that right. To me, this is 768 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:02,840 just you know, he's going to be a free agent. 769 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,639 He couldn't get a contract extension. Like those were pretty 770 00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:10,000 clear signs that, like, hey, Lebron, we the Lakers are 771 00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:13,519 not built around you anymore. You're not the central figure anymore. 772 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,119 If there's any doubt about that, Like now this coming 773 00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:18,280 out is just like from his perspective, at least, he's like, well, 774 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,760 guess what, I'm not messing with you anymore. Either. That 775 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,559 felt like what the result of this was going to be. 776 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:25,559 I don't know what. We haven't really gotten into it. 777 00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:26,800 What are your thoughts on it? 778 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:27,679 Speaker 2: I would agree. 779 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,159 Speaker 1: I think they probably reached that point though, when the 780 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,159 Lakers didn't give him an extension and you saw the 781 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,159 Rich Paul release about them evaluating their options over the summer, 782 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,960 and so that felt like almost the point of no return. 783 00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:43,440 And also, look, I know there's a lot of baggage 784 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,000 that comes with having Lebron, and now as he gets older, 785 00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:48,320 like what he's doing on the court is not necessarily 786 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,280 going to be worth all of it. But this is 787 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,719 supposed to be a franchise that's known for the excellent 788 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,199 treatment of its stars, and this is a pretty shitty 789 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,440 way to have Lebron sort of us out. But I 790 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,639 guess we shouldn't expect anything less when Genie oversaw the 791 00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:06,440 way that she pushed everybody else of her family out, 792 00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:08,920 and it's look, she's had to go through a lot, 793 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,760 and she has oversaw on like some success with the Lakers, 794 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,519 But I don't know, she kind of seems like she 795 00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:16,760 sucks at her job and we need to talk more 796 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,360 about it, or he sucks with like like what did 797 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,519 you You're mad? Because Lebron was absolutely the savior of 798 00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,559 like he you didn't do anything other than Carvalu, cap 799 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:29,800 space and be in Los Angeles and be the Lakers. 800 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,559 Speaker 3: For sure. There's there's a read on this that I 801 00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:36,880 think is fair. That is the Westbrook thing's a little 802 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,639 different because like, yeah, if that was Lebron, like no, 803 00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:41,199 everyone knew that was dumb. 804 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 2: You know whose fault that is? 805 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: Then, though it's Polinka's, it's Genie, because part and parcel 806 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,440 of your job is to keep the stars that you 807 00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:50,719 have in check. And if you're giving them free reign 808 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,320 to run the franchise. If you thought Clutch had too 809 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,320 much influence over what's happening, look in the fucking mirror, 810 00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:57,239 that's your fault. 811 00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 3: I mean the thing a couple of things too, Like 812 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,119 within Baxter's piece, like there's stuff about just like how 813 00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:07,280 often the Lakers made the playoffs when Jerry Busse was alive, 814 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,840 and like how often they had losing seasons and the 815 00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:12,639 before and after of it is stark right, So like 816 00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:16,079 with Genie in charge, like this team's success is based 817 00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:19,239 on Lebron's choice to come to the Lakers, like and 818 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,719 so if you feel like you're not getting enough credit 819 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,280 as an owner for whatever, for this this most recent 820 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,159 title they had, or for whatever success they've enjoyed since 821 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:31,320 you've been in charge. Like, you're kind of wrong because 822 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,920 the reason you had success is because Lebron came to you. 823 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,440 You like, you don't get credit for like going out 824 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,480 and getting him, Like no, no, he chose to come 825 00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:40,360 there for a lot of different reasons, some of which 826 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,079 were not basketball related, Like if he doesn't do that, 827 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,719 you don't get Anthony Davis, you don't win that title. 828 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,599 Like so to feel like you're not getting enough credit 829 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,920 is just like that, that's what the franchise valuation is for. 830 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,239 I'm sorry what to owner the whole fact that the 831 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,079 owner is the one getting the trophy at the end, 832 00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,519 I thought that I thought Qui Bennett it right with 833 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:02,039 the Thunder where it was like he got out of 834 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:03,800 there really quickly after they won the title. I'm not 835 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,119 giving Clay Bennett credit for why the thund No, all 836 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,480 you did, Like the franchise valuation is your that is 837 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,239 your recognition, Like this is just like they don't even 838 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,719 Sam Prest he feels like he was an exception. Got 839 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,960 a ton of credit for building the Thunder, but like executives. 840 00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: That's just how this shit works. The people who are 841 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,000 on the court putting. 842 00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 2: In all that work. 843 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,199 Speaker 1: The staff, that's like in the analytics, the coaching departments, 844 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,840 like they're gonna get more credit than the c sweet 845 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,840 because they did a bulk of the work. 846 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,519 Speaker 2: Like that's right. I'm I just find that logic so 847 00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:32,480 fucking stupid. 848 00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 3: No, that's true. That's true across the board, but in 849 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,800 this Lakers case in particular, because Lebron just was like 850 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,920 I'm coming there and in there in the in the report, 851 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,000 it's like he decided that in twenty seventeen, like before. 852 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 2: The year that in twenty like fourteen when he probably. 853 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 3: Had mapped out like he before he went to the Heat. 854 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,920 He's like four years there, back to Cleveland then Lakers. 855 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,679 That's how. But like I'm agreeing with you in in 856 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,400 like where are the crew it belongs, But in the 857 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,360 Lakers situation in particular, less credit should go to ownership 858 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,920 because it's just like you, he just picked you. You 859 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,760 didn't go you didn't swing some mega deal and like 860 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,159 even extended to the Luca thing like that fell in 861 00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:18,599 your lap too, that you were lucky picked you, right, 862 00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:22,480 like really like there's not. I mean, it's much much 863 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:26,880 easier to point to dumb contracts the Lakers have signed 864 00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:30,199 bad trades, they've executed that then it you know, there's 865 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,360 way more examples of that than like, man, what a 866 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,280 success that signing. 867 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 1: Austin Reeves and Austin Reeves and Alex Caruso or the 868 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,960 two crowning examples. Only one of them is still in 869 00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:42,760 LA because the Lakers led Alex. 870 00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:49,199 Speaker 3: Remember back to like the Lance Stevenson Rejon Rondo off 871 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,000 season where it's like even in the second that stuff 872 00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:55,840 started happening, here is like what are we doing? There's 873 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,519 way more moments of that sentiment than there are of 874 00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:02,519 like golf collaps for the Lakers, like tactical accut and that. 875 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,079 Speaker 1: So that's not Genie alone. By the way, this isn't 876 00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:10,800 to say like right, and yeah, that's I think that's 877 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,760 the problem. Is like, yeah, you're gonna get like a 878 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,119 lion's share of the blame when you're hiring the wrong people. 879 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,199 But I will say, if I guess if she had 880 00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:20,400 a problem with how she was portrayed in the story 881 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,719 and about firing her siblings and then Janey begging to resign, 882 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,800 was like that was the part that was I can't 883 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,440 feel a ton of empathy for these people that are 884 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,320 just fighting over this billion dollar asset, Like it's just 885 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,840 it's honestly, it's it's only a little relatable because Hardwood 886 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,480 Knox is a trillion dollar asset, so we're just but 887 00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:41,079 it's like from a family perspective, like, yeah, that kind 888 00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:41,440 of sucks. 889 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,760 Speaker 2: And if you actually. 890 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,519 Speaker 1: Said that to your whether your brothers were good at 891 00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:46,800 their jobs or not, that you really shouldn't have been born, 892 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:49,679 which that was the other my biggest tit like I 893 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,960 just found that so odd as so why was there 894 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,880 an agreement after you gave a child up for adoption 895 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,000 that you would never have a kid oh with someone else? 896 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,320 Like what is the you're a parent? I'm not what 897 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,079 would incite you to feel that? 898 00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 2: I just don't. 899 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 3: I didn't know. There were several elements of that whole 900 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,280 thing where I was like, I don't think I'm understanding 901 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,519 what I'm reading right now because this doesn't make any 902 00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:11,800 sense to me. So that's kind of so where where 903 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,000 I'm at on that one. It's like, I don't that 904 00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:16,519 needed to be framed differently for it to make sense. 905 00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:19,800 I don't know. Yeah. I just think the takeaway is that, 906 00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,800 and this is a real black mark on your legacy, 907 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:26,199 is that you don't feel sympathy for billionaires. And I 908 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,360 just can't. I think they've earned it all Dan the. 909 00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 1: Small business loan they like there, just do you remember 910 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,159 that they're like, oh wow, we didn't know, Like we 911 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:41,440 didn't That is just like I I don't know, I 912 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,000 think that she's honestly, If anything, I think Genie Buss 913 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,800 and a lot of just the Lakers in general probably 914 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,559 skated by on stuff that's happened and that they really 915 00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:52,559 had no control over it. And if they don't even 916 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,400 win that title with Lebron and a D we're probably 917 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,079 having like an entire different discussion. 918 00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:00,199 Speaker 2: Oh about of. 919 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:03,079 Speaker 3: Course, And like that was the outlier. They've had some 920 00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:05,960 rough I mean before that, it was brutal, you know, 921 00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:10,480 going through they had several like what between Lonzo and 922 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,519 Ingram and who else? Am I forgetting Randall? Like they've 923 00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:16,800 had several shots at like. 924 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 2: They're like, but they're not hits type deal. 925 00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:22,559 Speaker 3: Yeah right, Yeah, No, I don't know. 926 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:23,079 Speaker 2: I don't know. 927 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:24,760 Speaker 3: I don't have a whole lot else to add. It's 928 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,719 just it sucks that that like one that the family 929 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,000 fell apart like this, and two that it got aired 930 00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:32,679 out like this. But like, I don't know, I don't 931 00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:36,119 feel a whole lot of sympathy for anybody. 932 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: From just from the family perspective, like the closing of 933 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,519 that piece to where it's like they still haven't been 934 00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:45,400 in the same room since potentially since Jerry Buss died, 935 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,760 Like that just kind of sucks enough as someone who 936 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,159 is close with like my sisters, like that just kind 937 00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:51,920 of sucks. 938 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 3: Like, you, guys don't own a ten billion dollar franchise. 939 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 1: Let's see, how how do you know they don't have 940 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,480 an ownership stake in this podcast? 941 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 3: That's true? Sorry, I don't sure. 942 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,119 Speaker 2: Was there anything else that said? Do you absolutely? 943 00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: The other thing that was just it felt like the 944 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:11,000 like the payouts to Kurt Rambus and Linda Rambis and 945 00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:13,599 just like the bonuses that were I do not believe 946 00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:17,559 for a minute that that Mark Walters that's his name, right, I. 947 00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:20,519 Speaker 2: Always forget his name came in and that was the offer. 948 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 1: That thing was negotiated and then it was brought to 949 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,880 everybody else, right, Like that was very you're also the 950 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,119 lawyer here that that's what it reaked of to me. 951 00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, what's the argument. Yeah, I'm not persuaded. 952 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:34,760 I don't know what the argument is. 953 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,159 Speaker 1: Article was presented as an maybe they didn't even say that, 954 00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:41,639 but like you're supposed to. You negotiated without anyone else, 955 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,400 like members of the trust negotiating with this guy. 956 00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:46,800 Speaker 3: Was that like well, and wasn't it twenty four and 957 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,400 eight because of Kobe's numbers? Wasn't that in the piece too? 958 00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:51,360 Like That's that's how they did. 959 00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,559 Speaker 1: So they came in with an offer that was just like, yeah, 960 00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:55,880 we're gonna get like the rambuses need this thirty two 961 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,440 million dollars in total for sure. 962 00:45:57,679 --> 00:45:59,559 Speaker 3: Good for the rambuses. They keep coming up. 963 00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:02,760 Speaker 2: Yo out Linda tripled up Kurt the job. 964 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, how's Kurt feel about this? Let's get 965 00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:08,400 let's get the seven thousand word feature on his feelings. 966 00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: It is a bummer till I hear that. But I 967 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,760 think the one thing that I if this was the logic. 968 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,079 She absolutely was right that the Lakers can't compete with 969 00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:19,639 the way that other NBA teams are being run. And 970 00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,599 there's about there were how many years away do you 971 00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:27,679 think we are from a more direct infusion of Saudi 972 00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:32,079 Arabian representatives buying into NBA teams as they continue to 973 00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:32,679 sports wash. 974 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 2: It's already happening. 975 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,280 Speaker 3: I was gonna say the moment that NBA Europe gets 976 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,679 off the ground, like that's that's where all that money 977 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,679 is gonna come from. I assume that's like one of 978 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,079 the drivers. I don't know, how cynical do you want 979 00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:46,400 to get, it's just how different. 980 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,079 Speaker 2: I'm saying that that's actually to me. 981 00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:51,320 Speaker 1: The one of the most salient points was that she 982 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,079 felt that they weren't going to be able to keep 983 00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:55,840 up financially with the way that other teams are running 984 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,239 their franchises. 985 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,760 Speaker 2: Which I'm sorry. 986 00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 3: If you're if you're the Lakers, you can't you can't 987 00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:05,559 keep up. If you're the Lakers and you feel like 988 00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:07,599 you can't keep up, that's on you, man. You have 989 00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:10,599 every other advantage you could possibly want in a competitive sense. 990 00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:13,599 Speaker 2: They were only making five million dollars in dividends per year. 991 00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 3: Figure it out, they got families, They do better be 992 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,920 better at this, Like it's just like the Lakers are 993 00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:26,000 so like such a lucrative marketable, Like it's the Lakers 994 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,639 are the Yankees complaining? Like what I don't understand. 995 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 2: I don't care who owns. 996 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: To be fair, they probably are well now they are, 997 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,639 yeah to the dog, well because this is great, Well, 998 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,719 this ownership group is gonna gonna make everybody else complain. 999 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,039 Speaker 3: I I right, but like I, I just can't you 1000 00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:46,159 have every advantage as the Lakers, Like there's if you 1001 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,239 if you can't be profitable, is that the argument or 1002 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,800 it's like it's harder to be profitable just because you're 1003 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,760 you're you're a family run operation and you don't have 1004 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,880 all these like depocketed investors. 1005 00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:59,119 Speaker 1: I guess it would come back to being profitable, but 1006 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,280 I'm more so looked at it as like investing in 1007 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,039 the so but I guess the benefit to them is 1008 00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:06,679 they're always gonna have a Lebron happens or a Luga 1009 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,920 Dantich happens. But I meant more so investing in the 1010 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,280 rest of the organization. When it comes to if you're 1011 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,239 a team that's spent big on the top of your roster, 1012 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,280 how are you gonna find these like are you investing 1013 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,119 as much in analytics in the scouting department? Isn't those 1014 00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:23,400 areas where it's always been reported and just known around 1015 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,440 like the league circles the Lakers kind of lack. So 1016 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,639 if you if you weren't, I'm not saying they couldn't. 1017 00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:32,800 This is this is you know, we give billionaires too 1018 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,880 much like leeway to begin with, where she's like. 1019 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,800 Speaker 2: Ah, like the Thunder, you're gonna have to bust up their. 1020 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,079 Speaker 4: Team in a year or two because no, they could 1021 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:42,880 just pay the penalties, like they don't have to do that. 1022 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,840 But if if the reality was we're not going to 1023 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,519 opt like we're not gonna operate in this level of black, 1024 00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:51,159 We're gonna operate. It has to be at a higher 1025 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,599 level of black, then she is correct that, no, you 1026 00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:59,199 can't compete with like these tech moguls like so that 1027 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,639 I would agree with you are right, I'm probably under 1028 00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:04,400 selling the brand, the convenience of the brand of being 1029 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:04,960 the Lakers. 1030 00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:07,360 Speaker 3: It just seems like you have access to so many 1031 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,519 other ways to make money that other teams don't, just 1032 00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:15,679 like your market size alone, right, like your your international 1033 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,079 like brand recognition, like all this other stuff that the 1034 00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:20,800 Lakers have on every other team in the league, like 1035 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,800 the Knicks, I guess are the only other one you'd 1036 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,000 say is like kind of can operate exceptionally in certain 1037 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,960 ways because they're just it's the Knicks. You know, there's 1038 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,880 only a few teams in each sport where it's like, well, 1039 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,360 it's it's the Knicks, it's the Lakers, it's the Dodgers, 1040 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,880 it's the Yankees. Like there's just they're one of those teams. 1041 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,840 I can't if you can't figure out how to compete 1042 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,360 with other teams that like, I don't know, you just 1043 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,719 ask a random person on the street, like, can you 1044 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,000 can you name how many NBA teams can you name? 1045 00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,960 Like they're gonna say the Lakers before they say anybody else, 1046 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,039 So it's I don't know. There seems to be. It 1047 00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:57,239 seems to suggest there are avenues towards being profitable that 1048 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,079 other teams don't have. 1049 00:49:58,519 --> 00:50:01,119 Speaker 2: The Pelicans erasure in that exercise. 1050 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,400 Speaker 3: Is just they're they're pretty Yeah, great example. 1051 00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 2: Uh, do you have anything else or are you ready 1052 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,760 to take this out of here? 1053 00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,320 Speaker 3: No? I think that's gonna do it. Thanks everybody for listening, 1054 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,159 for watching Rate Review, subscribe comments on YouTube. Let us 1055 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,599 you know if you disagree with us about the Lakers. 1056 00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:19,239 Kind of like we could talk about everything transactionally, but 1057 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,880 then it comes down to like trading three firsts is 1058 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,360 better than trading one, like if we have over just 1059 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,920 bigled it in that conclusion, let us know, let us 1060 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,800 know what they should do with their resources, or if 1061 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,079 there's a there's a middle path they can execute that 1062 00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,960 we didn't think of. Join our discord link for that 1063 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,280 YouTube and podcast description shouts Franklin Lackina. Apologies, Jared Nowt